●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Monday, January 04, 2021 ●● ● Jan 04 [00:00] MinceR but if anything, they're just making things worse [00:00] vZS1 Freedom of speech is only allowed when they agree with what you say [00:01] XRevan86 https://mustoi.ru/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/duhovnye-skrepy.jpg kinda cute [00:01] XRevan86 Not what I was looking for though [00:02] vZS1 The EU has a war on free speech [00:02] XRevan86 https://pics.wikireality.ru/upload/1/11/.jpg what unites the nation [00:04] XRevan86 bonds together [00:07] vZS1 The EU also has a war on privacy [00:08] vZS1 Just as bad as the NSA [00:08] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [00:10] schestowitz__ Canonical: let's hook up with Microsoft for surveillance to scam your system https://popey.com/blog/2021/01/check-for-outdated-snaps/ [00:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popey.com | Check for Outdated Snaps [00:11] vZS1 Hoping for a good outcome for Wikileaks and Assange, today. Fingers crossed [00:12] schestowitz__ eyah [00:12] schestowitz__ yeah [00:12] schestowitz__ you can find clues in posts from friends of his [00:12] schestowitz__ the lawyers have been negotiating the outcome, I've heard from one of them [00:13] vZS1 I don't really know much about the details. I'm relying on TR for coverage. [00:16] schestowitz__ they should send him away... to Australia [00:16] vZS1 He needs the sun [00:16] schestowitz__ https://kushaldas.in/posts/introducing-tumpa-to-make-openpgp-simple-with-smartcards.html [00:16] vZS1 Would be good for him [00:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Introducing Tumpa, to make OpenPGP simple with smartcards [00:16] schestowitz__ he used to hand out here, IIRC [00:16] schestowitz__ *hang [00:17] schestowitz__ yubikey [00:17] vZS1 > yubikey [00:17] vZS1 BS, in other words. [00:18] schestowitz__ glorified plastic [00:20] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2020/10/15/fido-false-sense-of-security/ [00:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A FIDO/FIDO2 False Sense of Security for Premium Prices | Techrights [00:20] schestowitz__ https://stop.zona-m.net/2020/12/really-smart-cities-help-their-stores-to-go-dark/ [00:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Really smart cities help their stores to go Dark | Stop at Zona-M [00:22] schestowitz__ "The OpenPGP operations are possible due to the amazing Sequoia project." https://kushaldas.in/posts/introducing-tumpa-to-make-openpgp-simple-with-smartcards.html [00:25] vZS1 Just another Yubico plug [00:25] vZS1 Move on [00:25] vZS1 At least Sequoia got a mention [00:26] schestowitz__ as if privacy is something you buy at a store [00:26] schestowitz__ with cardboard and foam and a paper manual [00:26] schestowitz__ and a high price point [00:26] schestowitz__ someone bought me Entropy Key for xmas a decade back [00:28] vZS1 It must be good [00:28] vZS1 It has "smart" in its name! [00:28] MinceR :> [00:32] schestowitz__ smartCAD [00:33] schestowitz__ not only designs, builds your home too [00:38] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [00:38] *alynpost has quit (Changing host) [00:38] *alynpost (~alynpost@prgmr/staff/alynpost) has joined #techrights [00:42] schestowitz__ "Or, what you can learn about privacy from Soviet weapons philosophy." https://stop.zona-m.net/2020/12/sometimes-the-best-data-are-those-that-do-not-exist/ [00:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Sometimes the best data are those that do not exist | Stop at Zona-M [00:42] schestowitz__ http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=9908 [00:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU Chinese Translators Team - News: 2020 summary [Savannah] [00:42] schestowitz__ gnu in china [00:42] schestowitz__ going strong [00:47] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Jan 04 [01:08] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [01:10] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [01:16] *Soe (019c17e1@1.156.23.225) has joined #techrights [01:19] schestowitz__ hi, Soe [01:23] Soe hello [01:34] *hmmm (adb54df4@d173-181-77-244.bchsia.telus.net) has joined #techrights [01:36] *hmmm has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:38] schestowitz__ vZS1: just in: [01:38] schestowitz__ https://latesthackingnews.com/2021/01/03/new-golang-worm-targets-windows-and-linux-systems-to-mine-monero/ [01:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-latesthackingnews.com | New Golang Worm Targets Windows And Linux Systems To Mine Monero [01:38] schestowitz__ more monero FUD [01:38] schestowitz__ no connection to monero [01:39] schestowitz__ or even linux [01:39] schestowitz__ yet this crap circulates [01:40] vZS1 I've seen that already [01:41] vZS1 Note that this is also Golang FUD [01:41] schestowitz__ I mention in the new video about it [01:42] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/01/01/security-parity-fud/ [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Here Comes Again the False Parity (Comparing GNU/Linux Security to That of Platforms With NSA Back Doors) | Techrights [01:42] vZS1 Stinks of MS propaganda [01:42] schestowitz__ i'm amazed at how fast the site became [01:42] schestowitz__ Ariadne: you're a STAR [01:42] psydroid https://www.explica.co/arm-released-a-new-processor-for-windows-10-and-competes-with-intel/ [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.explica.co | ARM released a new processor for Windows 10 and competes with Intel Latest News, Breaking News, Top News Headlines [01:43] psydroid https://www.arm.com/products/silicon-ip-cpu/cortex-a/cortex-a78c [01:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cortex-A78C Arm [01:43] psydroid Windows isn't even mentioned there [01:43] psydroid so they are inventing things that do not exist [01:46] schestowitz__ it's a fake site [01:46] schestowitz__ explica is spam site [01:46] schestowitz__ plagiarism [01:46] schestowitz__ never link to it [01:47] schestowitz__ rogue Google News somehow got tricked into showing it [01:50] psydroid I'm really starting to wonder about the size of these operations to fill the web with untruths and misinformation to keep people away from the little actual information that is still out there [01:50] schestowitz__ this is what they are FOR [01:50] schestowitz__ the www is a dying pos [01:50] schestowitz__ maybe it was always this bad [01:51] schestowitz__ unsavoury sites [01:51] schestowitz__ but now more concentrated and with extra censorship [01:55] vZS1 The web is like a sewer. Because everyone uses it you are forced to basically publish on it (basically flushing good stuff down the toilet). So we end up needing to swim through sewage to find the good stuff [01:55] psydroid I wish people would use their RPis for creating a global decentralised vault of information hosted on IPFS as a big middle finger to those malicious companies that control the direction of the web [01:56] psydroid in the end that is also the only thing we can rely on with staying power, because you can't control what isn't yours [01:56] vZS1 psydroid: it's already happening. The Catalan independence referendum was carried out only because of IPFS. Spanish government was censoring all the referendum information. [01:57] vZS1 They couldn't take down all the IPFS nodes because you can't censor the internet (: ● Jan 04 [02:00] schestowitz__ https://www.techradar.com/news/hackers-are-abusing-a-disputed-vulnerability-to-launch-attacks-on-linux-machines [02:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hackers are abusing a disputed vulnerability to launch attacks on Linux machines | TechRadar [02:00] schestowitz__ "linux" [02:02] schestowitz__ https://bkhome.org/news/202101/ordered-usb-type-c-to-55x21mm-adapter.html [02:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | Ordered USB Type-C to 5.5x2.1mm adapter [02:02] schestowitz__ weird thing to post about [02:02] psydroid Visca Catalunya i IPFS :) [02:02] schestowitz__ "...expected delivery by end of month. " [02:04] schestowitz__ [01:55] The web is like a sewer. Because everyone uses it you are forced to basically publish on it (basically flushing good stuff down the toilet). So we end up needing to swim through sewage to find the good stuff [02:04] schestowitz__ follow the capital [02:04] schestowitz__ and then you know why there has been so much spam about teams (Skype/Microsoft) for 'Linux' [02:04] schestowitz__ and 'Edge' [02:04] schestowitz__ it's worth than you put it [02:05] schestowitz__ the problem is not "everyone uses it" [02:05] *Soe has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:05] schestowitz__ The problem is deep-pocketed crooks flooding it [02:05] schestowitz__ and capital buys them visibility [02:05] schestowitz__ Not a case of "just happens" [02:06] schestowitz__ or "reflection of society at large" [02:06] schestowitz__ rather abuse by oligarchy and corporations [02:06] schestowitz__ they take control of and distort the WWW at many levels [02:06] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. Almost all independent news, gone. [02:07] psydroid what are they going to do about the move towards decentralisation of everything that is done on the internet? [02:07] DaemonFC[m] People used to make their own website with simple HTML and links, even if it was on a free hosting platform. [02:07] MinceR maybe they'll decide that it's "insecure", "dangerous" and/or "fake news" if people get to run their own sites [02:07] DaemonFC[m] Now it's "Facebook", deciding if you're even allowed to post something with copyright "AI" and automods that kill off any left-wing groups and say someone anonymously reported them for something. [02:08] MinceR maybe major browsers will give you big red warning screens if you try to use a site that isn't on their whitelist [02:08] MinceR oh wait, they call it "allowlist" [02:08] MinceR because colors are racism now [02:08] DaemonFC[m] That's where things already are. [02:08] CrystalMath not really, i go to weird websites all the time [02:08] CrystalMath obscure stuff [02:09] DaemonFC[m] Let's Encrypt was a ruse so that browsers go to red alert if you try to go read something that didn't apply for a certificate. [02:09] CrystalMath i actively research them [02:09] CrystalMath eh? maybe chrome [02:09] CrystalMath firefox is fine with http [02:09] vZS1 Let's Encrypt is a ploy to reveal the location of a service. [02:09] schestowitz__ aha [02:10] schestowitz__ good point [02:10] schestowitz__ never thought of it from that pov [02:10] schestowitz__ the "trusted" web [02:10] schestowitz__ who by? [02:10] schestowitz__ a microsoft shit-hub-hosted project [02:10] schestowitz__ letsencrypt even outsourced its WEB SITE to Microsoft [02:10] schestowitz__ so much for trust [02:10] schestowitz__ PRISM/proprietary [02:10] MinceR how does LE find out the location of a service? [02:10] schestowitz__ and don't even mention the solarwind mess [02:11] vZS1 You need to do a challenge to validate your TLS certs. [02:11] vZS1 Your IP is obviously revealed in that challenge [02:12] MinceR can't you just do that challenge from the web server? [02:12] vZS1 That's what I'm trying to say. They know where the data is coming from [02:12] MinceR they could just query the domain name of the site to get the same information [02:14] vZS1 It just makes surveillance a bit easier for them. You are the one doing all the hard work [02:14] MinceR notifying them that there's a new site being set up? [02:15] vZS1 Yeah [02:15] MinceR i see [02:16] vZS1 So you're essentially filling out a survey for them every time you validate a TLS cert [02:18] schestowitz__ phoronix is struggling and this is no way out of the struggle :/ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Windows-10-Easier-WSL-Install [02:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's Now Even Easier Setting Up Windows Subsystem For Linux On Windows 10 - Phoronix [02:18] schestowitz__ just showed up in google news search [02:21] schestowitz__ [rant] [02:21] schestowitz__ (sorry) [02:21] schestowitz__ every week now, for the past few years, I look for EPO news [02:21] schestowitz__ EPO is a widely used acronym [02:21] schestowitz__ means many things [02:21] schestowitz__ I won't go into all the possibilities [02:22] schestowitz__ I need to filter to find the patent sets [02:22] schestowitz__ but [02:22] schestowitz__ many of the results that come up are SEO-spammed corporate media [02:22] schestowitz__ that violates EU law [02:22] schestowitz__ namely GDPR [02:22] schestowitz__ so google feeds to me results with sites I cannot access [02:22] schestowitz__ they block me to avoid breaking the law [02:22] schestowitz__ that aside, [02:22] schestowitz__ what's then left of "EPO" news [02:23] schestowitz__ is just lawyers' marketing [02:23] schestowitz__ in 2019 I dropped search for "software patents" news after about 12-15 years [02:23] schestowitz__ somewhere in between [02:23] schestowitz__ the reason was, [02:23] schestowitz__ google news was mostly spam [02:23] schestowitz__ by mostly I mean, it was approaching 80% [02:23] schestowitz__ so you swim through spam [02:23] MinceR you can get around those blocks using Tor and proxies [02:24] MinceR oh, and VPN [02:24] schestowitz__ to maybe find signal once in a few minutes [02:24] schestowitz__ this is untenable [02:24] schestowitz__ maybe it's time to just delete all of google news for patent-related stuff? [02:24] schestowitz__ MinceR: but I would not wish to think link to those 'articles' [02:24] vZS1 That's why there's E.E.E. happening to Tor [02:24] schestowitz__ neither in tr or social control media [02:24] schestowitz__ 1) epo staff is usually eu-based [02:24] MinceR well, the point of things like google news is to help you find/filter stuff [02:25] MinceR if it isn't helping you, there's no point in using it [02:25] schestowitz__ so I'd give them reference to illegal (by EU law) sites [02:25] MinceR ic [02:25] schestowitz__ and in social control media I'd reward malicious sites [02:25] schestowitz__ I think I'll just delete this feed [02:25] schestowitz__ "goodbye" [02:25] schestowitz__ google news is the only google thing I still use [02:25] schestowitz__ for tuxmachines mostly [02:25] schestowitz__ deleted [02:26] schestowitz__ done, this will give me more time for other things [02:26] schestowitz__ I just need to find more rss feeds in sites that cover those topics [02:26] schestowitz__ seeing there's no real journalism left about EPO anyway [02:26] schestowitz__ just puff pieces and law firms' marketing pitch [02:26] schestowitz__ disguised as 'analysis' [02:27] schestowitz__ but many sites lack working rss feeds [02:27] schestowitz__ how very sad [02:27] schestowitz__ google news killed many good services [02:27] schestowitz__ like technorati [02:27] schestowitz__ whose founder ended up working for mozilla to pay his bills [02:27] schestowitz__ and now there's no competition left for this spammy, spying shite [02:28] schestowitz__ which they barely maintain [02:28] schestowitz__ psydroid cited one plagiarism site they boost a lot [02:28] schestowitz__ a rogue operation [02:28] schestowitz__ so google news can be amplifier of corporate spam, wrapped up as 'news' [02:28] schestowitz__ akin to twitter and fb [02:28] schestowitz__ deranking blogs [02:28] schestowitz__ boosting oligarchs' lies [02:28] schestowitz__ [end rant] [02:28] schestowitz__ bbl [02:29] *schestowitz__ works on ipfs scripts for a bit [02:29] vZS1 There's a reason why the big Ad companies hate RSS [02:29] vZS1 It's antithetical to their business model [02:30] schestowitz__ /me will improve clarity and partitioning in http://techrights.org/ipfs/ [02:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [02:31] vZS1 When people are in control of what they see, they can't have things shoved into their feeds without their consent [02:31] *schestowitz__ nods [02:36] schestowitz__ need advice [02:36] schestowitz__ vZS1: how would you detect blocks with common patterns reliably or ask ipfs to do so itself? [02:37] schestowitz__ example: dear ipfs, please present me a link of all blocks with the following pattern, e.g. with grep [02:37] schestowitz__ without having to run ipfs commands many times, each time with a different search pattern [02:37] schestowitz__ iow, ipfs pin ls (some regular expression passed to ipfs, not | grep something) [02:37] vZS1 I don't know what you mean by "detect blocks with common patterns" [02:37] schestowitz__ I want to tell ipfs [02:38] schestowitz__ give me all objects match $THIS pattern [02:38] schestowitz__ but not others [02:38] schestowitz__ to avoid having to run the same command many times although it can be cached in file or variable in bash [02:39] vZS1 Do you mean blocks or CIDs? [02:39] schestowitz__ for text-only index we don't want any headlines in between, but for html a split would make legibility better [02:39] schestowitz__ CIDs [02:40] vZS1 I don't see what you'd achieve by that because they're made up from hashes. [02:40] XRevan86 vZS1: DNS is a ploy to reveal the location of a service. [02:40] schestowitz__ ipfs add ~/tr_text_version/* | sed -e 's/added /\\\/' | sed -e 's/ irc-/<\/code\><\/td\> \irc-/' | sed -e 's/ techrights-/<\/code\><\/td\> \techrights-/' | sed -e 's/.txt/ TEXT<\/b\> (daily IRC log\/bulletin)<\/tr>/' | sed -e 's/.html/\ HTML<\/b\> (full IRC log)<\/tr>/' >> index.html [02:40] XRevan86 You need to do a nameserver lookup to access a host. Host's IP is obviously revealed in that lookup. [02:42] schestowitz__ I suppose I could colour the rows [02:42] schestowitz__ but that would look rather cheesy [02:42] schestowitz__ cron job has just successfully generated http://techrights.org/txt/ [02:43] vZS1 You don't need to constantly fill out forms that reveal other operational details with DNS, unlike LE. I know how the internet works [02:44] XRevan86 vZS1: What forms do you fill in with LE? [02:44] vZS1 A LE challenge is a form in disguise [02:45] XRevan86 vZS1: Is reverse DNS a form in disguise? [02:45] vZS1 Yes it is [02:46] vZS1 But it's not as malicious in intent as an LE challenge [02:46] XRevan86 vZS1: It has literally the same intent. [02:46] vZS1 DNS is erosion of internet freedom [02:46] vZS1 It's monopolised [02:46] vZS1 And abused [02:47] vZS1 Just like email [02:47] vZS1 Try running your own DNS server and see how far you get [02:47] vZS1 Or email server [02:47] XRevan86 So I guess you agree with my DNS analogy. [02:47] MinceR there are some attempts to run independent DNS [02:47] XRevan86 MinceR: It's a ploy. [02:48] schestowitz__ LE is a ploy [02:48] MinceR like OpenNIC [02:48] schestowitz__ but maybe in another realm [02:48] XRevan86 there are some attempts to run independent ACME [02:48] schestowitz__ the privacy aspect is the lesser one [02:48] schestowitz__ you can't really know what goes on behind the scenes at LE [02:48] vZS1 They're both ploys to consolidate control into a few "trusted" bodies [02:48] schestowitz__ and you give them lots of CONTROL [02:48] schestowitz__ "Free certs" [02:49] schestowitz__ just give us the power [02:49] schestowitz__ over your services, e.g. sitess [02:49] vZS1 The point is they keep the monopoly alive [02:49] XRevan86 schestowitz__: It's not just lesser, it's nonexistent, vZS1's argument is ludicrous. [02:49] schestowitz__ bad exchange [02:49] schestowitz__ "free certs" [02:49] schestowitz__ like the ones Shuttleworth gave [02:49] XRevan86 A public service exposes its IP addresses by default. [02:49] schestowitz__ in exchange for this 'free' nonsense [02:49] schestowitz__ some bits and bytes you lose some control over whether people can and cannot access/use your services [02:50] schestowitz__ vZS1: I am looking at ipfs -h manual [02:50] vZS1 You don't send a form to a third party when you run a non-LE site [02:50] XRevan86 So vZS1 makes an argument that Let's Encrypt harvests data that is already completely public. [02:50] schestowitz__ I cannot find a way to list with extra details currently pinned objects [02:50] schestowitz__ pin ls gives a crude list [02:50] schestowitz__ w/o file system references/FS location [02:50] schestowitz__ I want to better sort the output [02:51] schestowitz__ then cluster it [02:51] vZS1 > So vZS1 makes an argument that Let's Encrypt harvests data that is already completely public. [02:51] schestowitz__ for http://techrights.org/ipfs/ [02:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [02:52] vZS1 You fail to mention the other part. That you help LE spy on your other operational details like which HTTP suite you use [02:52] vZS1 Challenges don't get satisfied out of thin air [02:52] vZS1 You need clients and servers in between [02:52] vZS1 All of the data is harvested by LE [02:52] XRevan86 vZS1: It puts a file in a well-known location. [02:53] XRevan86 It's the simplest form of a challenge, there are others available too. [02:54] schestowitz__ output of 'ipfs add' gives a list that, afaict, is sorted by filename alphabetically [02:54] schestowitz__ any way to list chronologically? [02:54] schestowitz__ e.g. date added? [02:55] vZS1 schestowitz__: no metadata. [02:55] vZS1 Only hash [02:55] schestowitz__ the way it is currently done might be ok for bots and software, like the txt version fed into something else, the html one is rather messy [02:55] schestowitz__ and we don't use consistent date formats for backward-compat reasons [02:55] schestowitz__ vZS1: and filename [02:56] schestowitz__ I suppose I could parse that, find find or similar, then check on filesystem or inodes the ages [02:56] schestowitz__ but that would be costly as the list grows [02:57] schestowitz__ 'ipfs pin ls' gives no info about object source [02:57] vZS1 You can use a self-signed TLS cert for arbitrary IP addresses without notifying a third party. [02:57] schestowitz__ just hashes and indirect/recursive [02:57] vZS1 LE is keeping the CA monopoly alive [02:57] schestowitz__ china tried (maybe) with starttls [02:57] schestowitz__ startcom was making something like centos [02:58] XRevan86 vZS1: You're shifting the argument, because the data harvesting one fell apart. [02:58] vZS1 schestowitz__: you can only analyse which blocks make up a CID. Nothing else [02:58] schestowitz__ but china bad, US "GOOD" [02:58] schestowitz__ so LE is GOOD [02:58] schestowitz__ China bad [02:58] vZS1 > You're shifting the argument, because the data harvesting one fell apart [02:59] vZS1 So you're saying filling in a form every time you need TLS is not data harvesting [02:59] vZS1 Are you delusional? [02:59] schestowitz__ > ipfs pin update - Update a recursive pin [02:59] schestowitz__ so it does know about and is associated with paths [02:59] XRevan86 vZS1: You're saying they try to get information such as an HTTP server type, I say they don't give a crap. [02:59] schestowitz__ I just want to list those paths ● Jan 04 [03:00] vZS1 > You're saying they try to get information such as an HTTP server type, I say they don't give a crap. [03:00] XRevan86 Typically it's literally a regular HTTP request like any other. [03:00] vZS1 This is erosion of privacy. [03:00] schestowitz__ Let's DataMine :-) [03:01] vZS1 X.509's entire "trust model" is erosion of privacy [03:01] vZS1 That's why OpenPGP is the only true private encryption model [03:01] vZS1 No "authorities" [03:01] vZS1 You are in control of who you trust [03:01] XRevan86 vZS1: The only way to protect oneself from such erosion of privacy is to hide behind NAT. [03:02] XRevan86 Nothing less will cut it. They will find you and GeoIP your IP address. [03:02] XRevan86 and collect your HTTP request headers to figure out what software you're using [03:03] XRevan86 they might even using nmap for the job and find out what OS you're using too [03:03] vZS1 The point isn't the details [03:04] schestowitz__ XRevan86: you can limit visibility for particular tasks [03:04] vZS1 It's more that it's reinforcing a monopoly of trust [03:04] schestowitz__ like using freenode masks [03:04] XRevan86 vZS1: The point is that information that Let's Encrypt gets or can get is information you have already given away beforehand. [03:05] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Can you hide the outer IP address of techrights.org? [03:05] vZS1 Did you miss what I said about making surveillance easier for them? [03:05] schestowitz__ XRevan86: this is not about the site [03:05] schestowitz__ but about getting certs [03:05] vZS1 _easier_ [03:05] XRevan86 If you'd use LE they'll find out techrights.org IP address. That's erosion of privacy. [03:06] vZS1 Not _possible_ [03:06] schestowitz__ like, if I ran a Catalan independence site [03:06] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Are you getting certificates for something other than sites? [03:06] schestowitz__ and I don't trust Microsoft-hosted LetsDataMine to not cooperate with the Spanish 'royal' family [03:07] schestowitz__ XRevan86: no [03:07] schestowitz__ not even for sites [03:07] XRevan86 schestowitz__: That's not what vZS1 is talking about. [03:07] vZS1 Why should you require to fill in a form every time you want to use TLS? [03:08] vZS1 They know exactly which host is asking for the TLS cert [03:08] XRevan86 vZS1: To know that the software requesting the certificate is controlled by the same people as the IP address attached to the domain name. [03:08] schestowitz__ vZS1: anything in ipfs hash patterns from which to derive age? [03:08] schestowitz__ or sequence? [03:09] vZS1 schestowitz__: not that I'm aware of [03:09] schestowitz__ like some special chars [03:10] XRevan86 vZS1: Yes, they know, it should be the same host that this certificate is intended for. [03:10] vZS1 > vZS1: Yes, they know, it should be the same host that this certificate is intended for. [03:11] vZS1 Bogus claim [03:11] vZS1 That doesn't add anything to security [03:11] XRevan86 Oh no, they know it originated from AAAA of techrights.org, they know too much now [03:12] schestowitz__ ipfs ls and 'refs' give nothing [03:12] vZS1 The point is you shouldn't be required to get consent from a third party to use encryption. Much less, fill out a form giving out even more information every time [03:12] XRevan86 vZS1: It is designed to prevent MitM, nothing else. [03:12] schestowitz__ the documentation is not clear what's meant by links or CIDs of links [03:13] vZS1 A CID is just a top-level hash of a Merkel tree [03:13] vZS1 There's no other metadata [03:13] schestowitz__ XRevan86: LetsDataMine is the MitM [03:13] schestowitz__ vZS1: ok [03:14] vZS1 Either you generate metadata at the beginning or you're out of luck ): [03:15] vZS1 Ah yes. An arbitrary handshake over the internet will get rid of MitM attacks! [03:15] XRevan86 I guess I'm the only person that doesn't want my ISP to know all the shit about me. As long as public information from servers I connect to isn't additionally confirmed with a Form to erode privacy. [03:15] vZS1 Brilliant [03:16] schestowitz__ I think I might just run the command 5 times, with grep [03:16] schestowitz__ not efficient [03:16] schestowitz__ but it's in a cron job anyway, so not my trouble [03:17] vZS1 X509 is a mechanism for monopolisation of trust [03:17] vZS1 And data mining [03:18] vZS1 Otherwise self-signed certs wouldn't be penalised [03:19] XRevan86 vZS1: What stops a MitM from self-signing a certificate? [03:19] XRevan86 Unless you know in advance what certificates are trusted, a certificate is worthless. [03:20] vZS1 That's why you need to be careful of what you decide to trust. You shouldn't trust random crap you get off the internet [03:20] XRevan86 vZS1: I can understand if you have a radically different encryption solution in mind, but just trusting all certificates in the existing model is just not serious. [03:20] vZS1 Any asymmetric encryption scheme needs this precaution [03:21] XRevan86 vZS1: A web browsers show a warning page with a button "trust this cert". [03:21] vZS1 > but just trusting all certificates in the existing model is just not serious. [03:21] vZS1 When did I say this? [03:21] XRevan86 > That's why you need to be careful of what you decide to trust. You shouldn't trust random crap you get off the internet [03:21] XRevan86 This is already how all of this works. [03:21] vZS1 No it isn't [03:21] vZS1 You are forced to trust that the monopolies tell you to trust [03:22] XRevan86 Yes it is. You get a warning page and you can choose to trust something. [03:22] vZS1 s/that/what [03:22] vZS1 > A web browsers show a warning page with a button "trust this cert". [03:22] XRevan86 vZS1: So you want a warning page to always show up? [03:22] vZS1 This is not as simple as you make it seem [03:22] XRevan86 Remove ca-cerificates from your system, problem solved. [03:22] schestowitz__ I will write code with a bug [03:22] vZS1 The "trust cert" is buried under many buttons [03:22] schestowitz__ the code will potentially break in 2030 [03:23] schestowitz__ if we get that far [03:23] XRevan86 vZS1: I don't know how you're planning to use Internet after that but you're welcome to try. [03:24] vZS1 Plenty of people already use the internet and encryption with PGP [03:24] vZS1 Where you aren't spied on and bullied by monopolies [03:25] XRevan86 With a trust system like public keychains? That's totally not like TLS. [03:25] vZS1 Who said you need to use a public key chain? [03:25] vZS1 You will find most educated PGP people discourage keychains [03:26] vZS1 Because they are bullshit just like X509 (TLS) [03:26] XRevan86 vZS1: Are you planning on visiting every web site hoster live for them to show you their certificate? [03:27] vZS1 Yes. You contact them, over different mediums, ideally in person. [03:27] XRevan86 I don't understand how you even begin to imagine anything like that to work. [03:27] vZS1 That's real security and not theatre [03:27] vZS1 It's good to know you're promoting theatre [03:28] XRevan86 vZS1: Or you could maybe delegate that job to someone else to make it at least somewhat bearable. [03:28] vZS1 At least that's clear to us now [03:28] XRevan86 someone you can trust [03:28] vZS1 That's not real privacy [03:28] vZS1 It's bullshit [03:29] XRevan86 vZS1: You're promoting alternatives that don't work. [03:29] vZS1 It works plenty enough for many people [03:29] vZS1 You can keep spreading your propaganda though [03:29] XRevan86 Automobiles are messy, why don't you use chairs as transportation? They don't need driving licences. [03:29] vZS1 Yeah security engineers will smell through your BS (: [03:30] vZS1 Nice straw man you got there [03:30] vZS1 Want a hat and a coat for it? [03:30] vZS1 It's pretty cold out there [03:30] vZS1 Maybe gloves? [03:30] XRevan86 vZS1: I'm not a security engineer, so I am not trying to say that there's no other way to deliver proper encryption. [03:33] XRevan86 What I'm saying is that you are saying that existing encryption methods are bad and therefore we should use bogus encryption that doesn't work. [03:34] *schestowitz__ testing the new code [03:35] schestowitz__ XRevan86: many existing and widely used crypto is 'faked' [03:35] schestowitz__ it has weaknesses built into it [03:35] schestowitz__ both in China, Russia... [03:35] schestowitz__ US, EU [03:35] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Why can't Kazakhstan MitM it then? [03:35] schestowitz__ we even have official government Web sites and Web pages that admit this [03:36] schestowitz__ even prior to 9/11 [03:36] XRevan86 They keep trying to impose a MitM certificate onto the population. [03:36] schestowitz__ why bring up that country? [03:36] schestowitz__ Because of the Mozilla debacle? [03:37] schestowitz__ point is, [03:37] mjg59 There's literally no credible evidence that RSA or AES are 'faked' [03:37] schestowitz__ governments in general want to spy on people to control them [03:37] XRevan86 schestowitz__: It's in my informational space you know :) [03:37] schestowitz__ and not all governments are always legitimate in all countries [03:37] schestowitz__ mjg59: Snowden had some leaks on RSS [03:37] schestowitz__ RSA [03:37] schestowitz__ the company and beyong [03:38] schestowitz__ *beyond [03:38] XRevan86 Russia, Belarus', Ukraine, Kazakhstan, these are countries that I kind of have to know what's going on in. [03:38] schestowitz__ face-saving PR spin is all they had [03:38] mjg59 RSA the company is not RSA the extremely well studied asymmetric cryptographic algorithm [03:38] schestowitz__ not just the company [03:38] mjg59 Snowden has not claimed that the protocol is weak [03:38] XRevan86 schestowitz__: There are weaknesses, but TLS actually works. [03:39] mjg59 If the NSA had broken RSA they wouldn't have needed to take advantage of "RSA added and removed here" [03:39] XRevan86 Anything vZS1 proposes either doesn't work or is actually the same thing in disguise. [03:39] schestowitz__ There was this https://www.theverge.com/2013/12/20/5231006/nsa-paid-10-million-for-a-back-door-into-rsa-encryption-according-to [03:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | NSA paid $10 million to put its backdoor in RSA encryption, according to Reuters report - The Verge [03:39] schestowitz__ and there's more [03:40] XRevan86 I'm just annoyed by that. [03:40] mjg59 schestowitz__: That's about a product called "BSafe", not the RSA algorithm [03:40] XRevan86 I usually don't go into debates like that, but it's so factually incorrect I just had to. [03:40] vZS1 > What I'm saying is that you are saying that existing encryption methods are bad and therefore we should use bogus encryption that doesn't work. [03:41] vZS1 PGP is pretty good, actually. It's in the name [03:41] schestowitz__ https://jnslp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/NSA%E2%80%99s-Efforts-to-Secure-Private-Sector-Telecommunications-Infrastructure_2.pdf [03:41] vZS1 I'm saying TLS is bogus [03:41] mjg59 schestowitz__: Yeah, there's good reason to believe that dual_ec_erbg is backdoored. That's why we don't use it. [03:41] XRevan86 Because I know that there are unfortunate issues with CAs, so it's not like I look like a moral hero here by defending that system. [03:42] vZS1 > Anything vZS1 proposes either doesn't work or is actually the same thing in disguise. [03:42] schestowitz__ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/10/how-the-nsa-can-break-trillions-of-encrypted-web-and-vpn-connections/ [03:42] schestowitz__ https://www.theregister.com/2015/10/19/nsa_crypto_breaking_theory/ [03:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | How the NSA can break trillions of encrypted Web and VPN connections | Ars Technica [03:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Let's talk about that NSA Diffie-Hellman crack The Register [03:42] vZS1 Go on and smear me all you want [03:42] mjg59 schestowitz__: That paper literally claims that the NSA wanted to avoid NIST endorsing RSA [03:42] XRevan86 vZS1: PGP doesn't have anything regarding trust beyond what TLS does. [03:42] schestowitz__ mjg59: Goofle and the NSA are not opposites [03:42] schestowitz__ Google is a PROVIDER to the NS [03:42] vZS1 That won't stop by patches from being merged not my systems from being used (: [03:42] schestowitz__ NSA [03:42] vZS1 s/by/my/ [03:42] schestowitz__ so the idea that Google will reject something "because NSA" is outright laughable and outlandish [03:43] vZS1 s/not/nor/ [03:43] schestowitz__ PRISM serves them things on a silver platter [03:43] XRevan86 vZS1: You can blindly trust either, and you can manually verify both too. [03:43] schestowitz__ including passwords in "the clown" [03:43] vZS1 > XRevan86: vZS1: PGP doesn't have anything regarding trust beyond what TLS does. [03:43] schestowitz__ bbl [03:43] vZS1 Glad to see you display even more ignorance [03:43] mjg59 You're not providing any evidence that the cryptography used in modern web browsers is 'faked' [03:44] XRevan86 vZS1: On a scale of web you'd just get PGP certificate authorities. [03:44] XRevan86 because one cannot rigourously verify every single certificate by themselves [03:45] XRevan86 And there's an overwhelming amount of them out there. [03:45] vZS1 Of course they can. People running task security do it all the time [03:45] vZS1 s/task/real [03:45] mjg59 Haha no we fucking don't [03:46] mjg59 Unless you're defining "real security" as people who do that [03:46] mjg59 Which isn't a useful definition! [03:46] vZS1 > because one cannot rigourously verify every single certificate by themselves [03:47] vZS1 > And there's an overwhelming amount of them out there. [03:47] vZS1 Yes [03:47] vZS1 There's an overwhelming amount of incompetence [03:47] vZS1 It's called job security for real security engineers [03:48] XRevan86 A competent person always knows when a certificate is legitimate or forged just by looking at it without any other information. [03:48] mjg59 You can tell by the pixels [03:48] vZS1 > A competent person always knows when a certificate is legitimate or forged just by looking at it without any other information [03:49] vZS1 Nice try but no [03:49] schestowitz__ vZS1: voila http://techrights.org/ipfs/ [03:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [03:49] XRevan86 A competent person will always visit the techrights.org office to get the certificate before trying to connect. [03:50] vZS1 I'm done pandering to all this BS. [03:50] vZS1 Another one to ignore [03:50] XRevan86 vZS1: You just don't know how to solve this issue. [03:51] XRevan86 No one knows as far as I'm aware, so I don't blame you. [03:51] schestowitz__ trust monopolies won't help [03:51] XRevan86 vZS1: But I do blame you for trying to give an impression that you have all the answers. [03:52] schestowitz__ vZS1: got it done correctly the first pass, no bug fixes needed afaict [03:53] vZS1 Trust doesn't scale. It's that simple. [03:53] XRevan86 And to give an impression that pointing out the fundamental issue of trust in encryption is somehow bullshit, strawmanning, et al. [03:53] XRevan86 vZS1: Internet is outrageously huge, it's that simple. [03:54] vZS1 schestowitz__: looks pretty good [03:54] mjg59 Literally nobody thinks that the CA trust model is fundamentally a good thing [03:55] XRevan86 Neither do I. [03:55] schestowitz__ the Net is a mess [03:55] schestowitz__ a fish that rots [03:55] mjg59 But we're lacking alternatives that don't have significant drawbacks [03:55] schestowitz__ from the head down [03:55] schestowitz__ starting with root DNS [03:55] schestowitz__ did IANA pick over from ICANN fully? Not yet. [03:56] schestowitz__ Trump still has the 'keys' to the Net [03:56] schestowitz__ with his radical racist party [03:56] schestowitz__ that wants to incite violence to derail election and transition of power [03:56] vZS1 DNS in general is a mess. Gladly, we have onion services and IPNS slowly replacing it. [03:56] schestowitz__ I often wonder what would happen digitally in Iran if the US started a war there and actually had a hard time, unlike with Iraq [03:57] schestowitz__ lots of leeway for 'cheating' digitally [03:57] vZS1 Digital voting is too risky [03:57] schestowitz__ they already ban Iranians (even Persians outside Iran) from doing some things in GAFAM sites [03:57] schestowitz__ and they're not even at war (yet?) [03:57] vZS1 Some things need to stay as paper [03:58] XRevan86 vZS1: That I agree with. [03:58] schestowitz__ ttps://stop.zona-m.net/2020/12/sad-follow-up-on-that-small-problem-with-e-voting-in-italy/ [03:58] schestowitz__ crazy [03:58] schestowitz__ madness normalised [03:58] schestowitz__ US has Windows sin voting machines [03:58] XRevan86 Voting trust is based on transparency and verification. [03:59] schestowitz__ if you oppose this, not they call you Trump conspiracy buff [03:59] vZS1 I'm off for now. Got a busy week ahead but I'll work on the IPFS stuff again over the coming weekend. ● Jan 04 [04:00] XRevan86 Too much election fraud has been exposed in Russia so now there's digital voting on rollout. [04:00] XRevan86 Should fix the fraud exposure issue. [04:01] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [04:01] schestowitz__ vZS1: any point putting the ipfs text index inside ipfs? [04:01] schestowitz__ sort of a recursive thing [04:01] schestowitz__ and it changes over time, so... [04:01] XRevan86 Already has technically. I don't know why I keep using future tense. [04:01] schestowitz__ that would likely mean daily new object for each day, ipfs doesn't handle dynamic stuff well [04:01] vZS1 That's what IPNS is for. I'll get there eventually. [04:02] schestowitz__ ok [04:02] vZS1 I'll do a write-up for that too. It's a lot simpler. [04:02] vZS1 So don't worry about it too much [04:03] vZS1 You've got over the biggest hurdle of using the utility itself [04:04] schestowitz__ silly question: [04:04] schestowitz__ any html/www index of sites with ipfs? [04:04] schestowitz__ for discovery [04:04] schestowitz__ I know it beats the purpose, sort of [04:05] schestowitz__ maybe we can promote these with cids for links [04:06] XRevan86 I think we're pretty lucky that everyone needs encryption including the people in power and the only opposition to it is people stupid enough not to understand how crucial it is. [04:07] XRevan86 So it mostly works as everyone is invested in it working more than not. [04:11] XRevan86 except Kazakhstan, the country that renamed the capital to the first name of the president. [04:12] XRevan86 Even Minsk is still not Alexander (any day now) [04:13] XRevan86 There's already a city called Vladimir, so no comment there. [04:13] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [04:15] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [04:16] schestowitz__ "nuke Vladimir" [04:16] schestowitz__ "aye sir" [04:16] schestowitz__ "is 60 megatons enough?" [04:23] CrystalMath personally i think people are forgetting the importance of not being able to prove you voted for someone [04:24] CrystalMath that's the only way to discourage buying votes [04:27] XRevan86 Nazarbayev's birthday is coincides with a state holiday called capital city day. [04:27] XRevan86 / is// [04:48] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Jan 04 [05:09] DaemonFC[m] Because they'll be ruined if they lose the PC market. [05:13] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [05:14] DaemonFC[m] https://www.occ.treas.gov/topics/supervision-and-examination/bank-operations/financial-crime/suspicious-activity-reports/index-suspicious-activity-reports.html [05:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.occ.treas.gov | Suspicious Activity Reports (SAR) | OCC [05:14] DaemonFC[m] Maybe they could just call it the Suspicious Activity Report System or SARS. [05:16] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [05:16] DaemonFC[m] https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/us/law-lets-irs-seize-accounts-on-suspicion-no-crime-required.html [05:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Law Lets I.R.S. Seize Accounts on Suspicion, No Crime Required - The New York Times ● Jan 04 [06:02] schestowitz__ like no fly lists [06:03] schestowitz__ you cannot even find out if you're on soem lists [06:03] schestowitz__ so you can have your life ruined like that [06:05] schestowitz__ turning "linux" into clowns https://www.linuxtechi.com/monitor-api-call-user-activity-aws-cloudtrail/ [06:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxtechi.com | Monitor API Call and User Activity in AWS Using CloudTrail [06:05] schestowitz__ 'tools' for proprietary clown GUIs [06:05] schestowitz__ "Go to the service CloudTrail and click on the dashboard. You can see the event name, time, and source. You can click on View full Event history to get all the events." [06:06] schestowitz__ Where can I download this "dashboard" thing? [06:10] schestowitz__ https://allafrica.com/stories/202101040137.html [06:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tanzania: Seif Tells Zanzibaris to Shun Political Hatred - allAfrica.com [06:11] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [06:12] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [06:13] *chovy has quit (Quit: leaving) [06:32] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [06:34] schestowitz__ is Sam's ITwire rss feed broken again or is he away for extended period? ● Jan 04 [07:03] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [07:07] schestowitz__ https://www.thelayoff.com/t/18vosZaH [07:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | internal transfer from azure org to non-azure org - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs [07:07] schestowitz__ " [07:07] schestowitz__ internal transfer from azure org to non-azure org [07:07] schestowitz__ I am planning to transfer from azure org to non-azure org. Does Microsoft does background verification again for internal transfer apart from visa transfer? [07:07] schestowitz__ Plz throw some valuable inputs [07:07] schestowitz__ " [07:07] Techrights-sec Sam's feed is probably ok, he has not written since Boxing Day [07:29] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:30] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [07:33] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:51] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Jan 04 [08:46] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [08:49] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● Jan 04 [10:05] vZS1 schestowitz__: usually, if a site has an IPFS version, they mention it somewhere [10:06] schestowitz__ can you name news sites that have it? [10:06] vZS1 Let's see [10:07] schestowitz__ I know of none tbh [10:07] schestowitz__ in Daily Links we can add IPFS section [10:07] schestowitz__ with CIDs [10:07] schestowitz__ it's not hard to accomplish and curate [10:07] vZS1 Can't find any [10:10] schestowitz__ :-D [10:13] vZS1 I always recommend coupling an IPFS site with RSS. [10:13] schestowitz__ my upload speeds are awful today [10:13] schestowitz__ uploading a video, 16 MB in 1.5 hours! [10:15] schestowitz__ can you info on what time Assange decision comes out, roughly? [10:15] schestowitz__ end of day? midday? [10:15] schestowitz__ https://dontextraditeassange.com/press-release/nomination-of-julian-assange-chelsea-manning-and-edward-snowden-for-the-2021-nobel-peace-prize/ [10:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontextraditeassange.com | Nomination of Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden for the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize - Don't Extradite Assange [10:16] schestowitz__ MEDIA ADVISORY Julian Assange Extradition Case Decision: "Time: 10:00 Start Date: Monday 4th January 2021" https://dontextraditeassange.com/press-release/media-advisory-julian-assange-extradition-case-decision/ [10:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontextraditeassange.com | MEDIA ADVISORY - Julian Assange Extradition Case Decision - Don't Extradite Assange [10:17] Techrights-sec http://infojustice.org/feed [10:26] Techrights-sec Yes, the JA decision is apparently happening at the moment [10:26] Techrights-sec 10am UTC [10:28] schestowitz__ infojustice.org seems on topic, uses some unreasonable terms like "IP" but we can cherry-pick [10:30] Techrights-sec Yes, their use of the term "IP" seems to be a problem but otherwise I can add [10:30] Techrights-sec them to the autmated feeds. [10:30] schestowitz__ so many news sites have perished, so might as well collect what might still be relevant and curate/sort from there [10:33] vZS1 This is Magistrate Court [10:33] vZS1 There's two higher courts [10:33] vZS1 High Court [10:33] vZS1 And Supreme [10:34] vZS1 So it could get appealed twice [10:34] schestowitz__ Yes, they can probably appeal [10:34] schestowitz__ but he's rotting away in the meantime [10:34] schestowitz__ and it can get appealed only if they present grounds that are accepted higher up [10:34] schestowitz__ like mistakes or factual errors made [10:36] Ariadne the US should pardon assange imo [10:36] vZS1 First Amendment [10:37] Ariadne they should also pardon the silk road dude [10:37] schestowitz__ #wikileaks #assange https://twitter.com/MurtazaViews/status/1346030841361784832 decision shortly [10:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MurtazaViews: Julian Assanges partner Stella Morris at the central criminal court to hear if the judge will order extradition of https://t.co/MRdAGgFImQ [10:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MurtazaViews: Julian Assanges partner Stella Morris at the central criminal court to hear if the judge will order extradition of https://t.co/MRdAGgFImQ [10:37] schestowitz__ vZS1: when you outsource to Twitter https://wikileaks.org/-News-.html [10:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks - News [10:38] schestowitz__ and your news section is stale for 2 years! [10:43] schestowitz__ whatever the outcome of the case, I'll start drafting something [10:43] schestowitz__ this BLOODY connection is awful [10:43] schestowitz__ 20 MB out of 140 MB.... in 2 hours!!! [10:43] schestowitz__ this can take like a whole day at this pace [10:44] Ariadne ? [10:44] schestowitz__ and the news it covers is getting older by the hour [10:44] Ariadne what connection [10:44] schestowitz__ Ariadne: the connection at my home [10:44] Ariadne oh [10:44] schestowitz__ the site is awesome [10:44] schestowitz__ so fast, too! [10:44] schestowitz__ I think they flagged me for throttling [10:44] schestowitz__ for ipfs likely [10:45] schestowitz__ 22.2/158mb [10:45] vZS1 What was your upload speed like before? [10:45] schestowitz__ it would hang for life half a minute, resume, then pause again [10:45] Ariadne yeah thats throttling [10:45] schestowitz__ classic time sharing round robin crap [10:45] schestowitz__ welcome back 1990s [10:45] schestowitz__ vZS1: a lot better than this :-) [10:46] schestowitz__ sometimes it's faster [10:46] schestowitz__ for a bit [10:46] Ariadne i guess after brexit they cant afford to just give you what you pay for [10:46] schestowitz__ seems they have another mood on Monday mornings [10:46] schestowitz__ Ariadne: lol [10:46] schestowitz__ brexshite [10:46] schestowitz__ soon we'll need to buy bags of rice [10:46] Ariadne emergency food [10:46] schestowitz__ exit europe, enter vietnam [10:47] schestowitz__ taking back contrOLOL [10:49] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2020/12/15/support-assange/ [10:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Support Julian Paul Assange | Techrights [10:50] vZS1 Any chance of getting a pardon from sleepy Joe? [10:51] schestowitz__ they need to "wake him up" [10:51] schestowitz__ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8WRFw5sHQ [10:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Assange a high-tech terrorist: Biden - YouTube [10:51] schestowitz__ Biden is more GOP than D [10:51] schestowitz__ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uId1l2AwVH8 [10:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Meet The Press McConnell- Assange is a 'high-tech terrorist' - YouTube [10:52] vZS1 Yeah but I don't think he'd want to be known as the president that let press freedom erode away [10:52] Ariadne [04:50] Any chance of getting a pardon from sleepy Joe? [10:52] Ariadne not likely [10:52] Ariadne they will spin it [10:53] Ariadne they will say assange is a terrorist [10:53] Ariadne they will tie him to trump [10:53] Ariadne and democrats will call for his head [10:54] Ariadne he should be pardoned [10:54] Ariadne the only alleged crime he committed was a matter in sweden [10:54] Ariadne has nothing to do with USA [10:57] schestowitz__ I have a stupid question [10:57] schestowitz__ let's say you want a quick update on the case [10:57] schestowitz__ or court outcome [10:57] schestowitz__ and you reject social control media [10:57] schestowitz__ and spying 'news' sites like channel 4 and itc [10:57] schestowitz__ where do you turn? [10:58] vZS1 There should be official sites from the courts [10:58] schestowitz__ they are not updated quickly [10:58] schestowitz__ like FCC in German, re UPC [10:58] schestowitz__ the news was broken in twitter iirc [10:59] schestowitz__ and then decisions in a page linked to [10:59] schestowitz__ or we just mass-refreshed the page [10:59] schestowitz__ later came EN text [10:59] schestowitz__ DE first [10:59] schestowitz__ I forgot the sequence of events [10:59] schestowitz__ but the Web ruins the justice process [10:59] schestowitz__ like trial by social control media [10:59] schestowitz__ or reactions controlled by Internet mobs [10:59] schestowitz__ beating actual journalists to it ● Jan 04 [11:00] schestowitz__ with spin and distortion of outcomes [11:04] vZS1 I had a look at the details and apparently, Assange is being prosecuted for "encouraging hacking" [11:04] vZS1 So they dodge having to fight around the First Amendment, by spinning it like that [11:06] vZS1 https://old-bailey.com/2021/01/03/whats-on-at-the-old-bailey-january-4/ [11:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-old-bailey.com | Whats on at the Old Bailey, January 4 Old Bailey Insight & Legal London [11:06] vZS1 That's the best I could find [11:08] vZS1 https://old-bailey.com/old-bailey-cases-of-interest/ [11:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-old-bailey.com | Whats on at the Old Bailey today Old Bailey Insight & Legal London [11:12] mjg59 Well good the UK denied extradition for Assange [11:14] schestowitz__ Great! https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1346049008314298368 [11:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Breaking: UK judge rules against extradition of Assange to US #AssangeCase [11:16] schestowitz__ can you proofread with me? [11:16] schestowitz__ for speed? [11:18] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/01/04/julian-assange-wins-extradition-battle/ [11:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Julian Assanges Extradition DENIED by British Court | Techrights [11:20] vZS1 Sure [11:20] schestowitz__ fixed Trumps's [11:21] schestowitz__ Assange now trending in Twitter [11:23] vZS1 Don't see anything else wrong [11:24] vZS1 But maybe it's worth redacting the bit about the FSF and staying a bit more narrowly focused. [11:24] vZS1 You can do another post on that as a follow up [11:24] vZS1 Seems just bolted on right now [11:25] vZS1 There's more about that than the actual Assange decision [11:26] vZS1 The judge ultimately ruled based on health grounds [11:27] vZS1 So that's not exactly setting a good precedent. [11:27] schestowitz__ hmm.. [11:27] schestowitz__ I did not read that decision [11:27] schestowitz__ do you have the link? [11:28] vZS1 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/julian-assange-news-live-wikileaks-extradition-us-b1781919.html [11:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Julian Assange news - live: WikiLeaks founder will not face oppressive extradition to US, UK court rules | The Independent [11:28] schestowitz__ old-bailey.com is slow [11:28] schestowitz__ where is the PDF or similar? [11:28] schestowitz__ the above site is malicious [11:28] schestowitz__ ad blockers and worse [11:29] schestowitz__ and many browsers I use cannot access it [11:29] schestowitz__ I want to link to the real source [11:29] schestowitz__ "Court 2 at 10am Wikileaks founder Julian Assange will find out if he is going to be extradited to the United States. He is wanted in the US for allegedly conspiring with army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning to expose military secrets between January and May 2010." [11:29] schestowitz__ https://old-bailey.com/2021/01/03/whats-on-at-the-old-bailey-january-4/ [11:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-old-bailey.com | Whats on at the Old Bailey, January 4 Old Bailey Insight & Legal London [11:29] schestowitz__ no link [11:30] vZS1 I'm waiting for the real source myself [11:30] vZS1 But I don't think we'll get that immediately [11:30] schestowitz__ like I said an hour ago [11:30] vZS1 It will take a while for the documents to be uploaded [11:30] schestowitz__ social control media mobs will dominate the response [11:30] schestowitz__ and shape the reactions [11:30] schestowitz__ because the courts are too slow [11:31] schestowitz__ they don't publish fast enough [11:31] schestowitz__ some of them write "tweets" [11:31] schestowitz__ before the actual decision [11:31] schestowitz__ this is terrible [11:31] schestowitz__ German FCC was the same [11:31] schestowitz__ re UCP in March last year [11:31] vZS1 Well. It's the internet [11:31] schestowitz__ and them Team UPC fanatics would comment on the "tweet" [11:31] schestowitz__ like a threatre of idiocy [11:31] schestowitz__ later they have german decision [11:31] schestowitz__ then english [11:32] vZS1 It should be published immediately by the court, though. I agree with that much [11:32] vZS1 But you can't stop the internet from being the internet [11:32] vZS1 The mobs will always be the mobs [11:33] schestowitz__ There's someone who penned some pieces hosted in Techrights (figosdev; I don't know his first or last name, never saw a photo either); earlier in the month of December he totally snapped because someone in IRC had said something about nutrition (which I do not even understand; didn't even know what the acronym meant, so I stayed out of it). [11:34] schestowitz__ How that led to a verbal attack on me (I did not even participate in that IRC smalltalk)... I still don't understand. This wasn't the first flippant response of this kind. I listen, I don't censor, and occasionally I offer space in Techrights. I try not to edit (not even insults) because edits are censorship unless it's typos (not changing meaning/emotion). [11:34] Techrights-sec Is there an actual source to the JA decision yet or just hearsay? [11:34] schestowitz__ figosdev no longer writes for us. On many things I agree with him, but it always disturbed me that he urged you to step down (also some of the things he wrote about the FSF, a sort of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"). [11:35] vZS1 > Techrights-sec: Is there an actual source to the JA decision yet or just hearsay? [11:35] vZS1 Just hearsay [11:35] schestowitz__ Techrights-sec: this is EXACTLY what we try to figure out in IRC right now. Short answer: no. Loner: de FCC was the same re UPC. [11:35] vZS1 We're still waiting for the official PDF [11:36] vZS1 schestowitz__: it's good that the chat is left uncensored. At most redactions of names should be done. [11:37] schestowitz__ it would be ovbious based on context [11:37] schestowitz__ only first names were usually used [11:37] schestowitz__ like namecalling [11:39] schestowitz__ I've just closed twitter [11:39] schestowitz__ it's a noise machine [11:39] schestowitz__ with "Microsoft" trending, at least in the UK [11:39] schestowitz__ NO idea why [11:39] schestowitz__ and I don't need to click, don't want to find out [11:39] schestowitz__ maybe some new spamming campaign [11:39] schestowitz__ facilitated by their partner, Twitter Inc. [11:40] vZS1 https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/trials-old-bailey-central-criminal-court/ [11:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nationalarchives.gov.uk | Trials in the Old Bailey and the Central Criminal Court - The National Archives [11:40] schestowitz__ wikileaks broke the news for me, from the courtroom (oral/verbal) I assume [11:40] vZS1 I'm trying to use this atm [11:40] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1346055724879777792 [11:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ggreenwald: The rejection by the UK court of the US Govt's request to extradite Julian Assange to stand trial on espionage char https://t.co/QRpeqmDDtz [11:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ggreenwald: The rejection by the UK court of the US Govt's request to extradite Julian Assange to stand trial on espionage char https://t.co/QRpeqmDDtz [11:40] vZS1 Maybe it will help us [11:40] schestowitz__ Notice no links [11:40] schestowitz__ so he's relying on something he heard or read somewhere [11:40] schestowitz__ not the ACTUAL decision [11:42] schestowitz__ for the first time in ages I opened Twitter [11:42] schestowitz__ and it was a mess, as I remembered it... [11:42] schestowitz__ too much has been outsourced to it [11:42] schestowitz__ not just mob justice [11:42] schestowitz__ even courts [11:42] schestowitz__ and people "tweeting" from hearings [11:42] schestowitz__ one day in the future it can be looked upon as a Dark Age [11:43] schestowitz__ when idiots with fake 'phones' were pecking and bobbing to influence the operations of society and the state [11:43] schestowitz__ and find old articles in the press archives which mention this thing called "TWEETS" [11:43] schestowitz__ "the decison was tweeted..." [11:43] schestowitz__ "Greenwald heard about a decision and then tweeted..." [11:43] vZS1 Hold on [11:44] vZS1 " [11:44] vZS1 The first published account of trials held at the Old Bailey dates from 1674 and from 1678 to 1913 accounts of trials were regularly published. These published proceedings were produced for public consumption. Published proceedings ceased in 1913 by which time they had become largely redundant in the face of newspaper reports of trials. [11:44] vZS1 " [11:44] vZS1 What is this bullshit [11:44] vZS1 From the link https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/trials-old-bailey-central-criminal-court/ [11:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nationalarchives.gov.uk | Trials in the Old Bailey and the Central Criminal Court - The National Archives [11:46] vZS1 So "news"papers are considered an okay replacement to published proceedings? [11:47] schestowitz__ no, worse [11:47] schestowitz__ "tweets" from "news" papers [11:47] schestowitz__ like Daily Fail [11:48] vZS1 I was just going to mention that [11:48] schestowitz__ and then that shapes trhe debate [11:48] schestowitz__ by the time the decision comes out in writing nobody cares [11:48] schestowitz__ it's "old news" [11:48] schestowitz__ people judge the judgement on the tweets" [11:48] schestowitz__ "tweets" [11:48] schestowitz__ SCOTUS has SCOTUS BLog [11:48] schestowitz__ they get inside look [11:49] schestowitz__ like media partners [11:49] schestowitz__ but they're private firms [11:49] schestowitz__ not part of SCOTUS itself [11:49] schestowitz__ it was a subject of controversy we covered ages ago [11:49] schestowitz__ like lawyers watching over SCOTUS [11:49] schestowitz__ with their biased [11:49] vZS1 Christ. I didn't realise the system was this broken [11:49] schestowitz__ with their biased viewed and biases [11:49] schestowitz__ media partners [11:49] schestowitz__ for courts [11:49] schestowitz__ trial by media? [11:49] schestowitz__ no [11:49] schestowitz__ Media-sponsored trials [11:50] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/MelTravisLayton/status/1346055224478244868 [11:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MelTravisLayton: @LLinWood @realDonaldTrump @GenFlynn @SidneyPowell1 https://t.co/sN4Ypp68Dh [11:51] schestowitz__ all sorts of dodgy accounts link to us [11:55] schestowitz__ https://www.ft.com/content/29a1eb7f-c8c8-4ef6-8473-23d5568e5ac8 [11:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ft.com | Subscribe to read | Financial Times [11:55] vZS1 I think I found it! [11:55] vZS1 https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/usa-v-julian-assange/ [11:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.judiciary.uk | USA -v- Julian Assange | Courts and Tribunals Judiciary [11:55] schestowitz__ x https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/26938 [11:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog ● Jan 04 [12:00] schestowitz__ I have updated my post with the linl [12:00] schestowitz__ *linl [12:00] schestowitz__ *link [12:01] vZS1 "410. I order the discharge of Julian Paul Assange, pursuant to section 91(3) of the EA 2003." [12:01] vZS1 That was much more difficult than it should be [12:01] vZS1 What the hell [12:02] schestowitz__ 132 pages [12:02] schestowitz__ which page are you quoting? [12:02] vZS1 It's all numbered [12:02] schestowitz__ will make local copy and screenshot [12:02] vZS1 It's the last line [12:02] schestowitz__ to avert the number [12:02] schestowitz__ ok [12:03] vZS1 J. Order [12:03] schestowitz__ last is just sig [12:03] schestowitz__ 132 [12:03] vZS1 s/Order/Orders [12:04] schestowitz__ 131 it is [12:04] schestowitz__ see 409. [12:04] schestowitz__ she rejects the argument [12:04] schestowitz__ to save face [12:04] schestowitz__ but net effect is,he's off the hook [12:04] schestowitz__ better than I anticipated [12:05] schestowitz__ we don't need a local copy of it [12:05] schestowitz__ a [12:05] schestowitz__ a high-profile historic case [12:05] schestowitz__ there won't be lack of access/reach to copies [12:06] vZS1 It's still a shitty decision [12:06] schestowitz__ my upload speeds are painful [12:06] vZS1 In health grounds [12:06] schestowitz__ like a minute to upload just an image [12:06] schestowitz__ rianne says youtube also buffers a lot due to it [12:06] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/decision-assange.png [12:07] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/01/04/julian-assange-wins-extradition-battle/ [12:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Julian Assanges Extradition DENIED by British Court (Updated) | Techrights [12:08] vZS1 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/41/section/91#section-91-3 [12:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.legislation.gov.uk | Extradition Act 2003 [12:08] schestowitz__ some truly terribly fonts they use [12:08] schestowitz__ hinting/kerning [12:09] schestowitz__ *terrible [12:10] vZS1 He's practically off the hook for now. But this was on medical grounds and not freedom of speech and press [12:10] vZS1 That's not a good sign [12:11] vZS1 See the link above [12:11] vZS1 91(3) EA 2003 [12:11] vZS1 EA := Extradition Act [12:12] schestowitz__ I saw, linked [12:12] schestowitz__ my upload speeds as a PITa [12:12] vZS1 " [12:12] schestowitz__ bad day for that [12:12] schestowitz__ I wanted to make a video about part 3 re Intel [12:12] vZS1 91 Physical or mental condition [12:13] vZS1 (1)This section applies if at any time in the extradition hearing it appears to the judge that the condition in subsection (2) is satisfied. [12:13] vZS1 (2)The condition is that the physical or mental condition of the person is such that it would be unjust or oppressive to extradite him. [12:14] vZS1 (3)The judge must [12:14] vZS1 (a)order the persons discharge, or [12:14] vZS1 (b)adjourn the extradition hearing until it appears to him that the condition in subsection (2) is no longer satisfied. [12:14] vZS1 " [12:19] schestowitz__ I've just alerted wikieaks about it [12:19] schestowitz__ but they probably know regardless [12:20] schestowitz__ their lawyers would anticipate [12:20] schestowitz__ I think they targeted that section for compassionate discharge [12:20] schestowitz__ and maybe it was their legal strategy all along [12:20] schestowitz__ BTW, his wife lives in London [12:20] schestowitz__ well, financee [12:20] schestowitz__ so he might not even move to Australia [12:21] schestowitz__ they need to both move to Iceland or something [12:21] schestowitz__ further away from 5EYES [12:21] vZS1 Why Iceland? [12:21] schestowitz__ press freedom [12:22] vZS1 Ah [12:22] vZS1 So where is Wikileaks based? [12:22] schestowitz__ look it up [12:22] schestowitz__ Sunshine press [12:23] schestowitz__ their editor in chief is a journalist from there, too [12:24] vZS1 Ah [12:24] vZS1 Iceland [12:26] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Call-out culture is toxic, disgusting, and vile!) [12:28] schestowitz__ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19795561 [12:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #trump could, but did NOT, withdraw from cases against #pressFreedom e.g. with a pardon. Always remember how he attacked TRUTH ITSELF. #wikileaks #snowden [12:28] schestowitz__ LOL! [12:28] schestowitz__ https://e.vnexpress.net/news/sports/vietnam-s-sofm-wins-china-lol-of-the-year-mvp-award-4215771.html [12:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-e.vnexpress.net | Vietnam's SofM wins China LoL of the year MVP award - VnExpress International [12:29] schestowitz__ LoL of the year [12:30] vZS1 Off for now. Have a good day, all. [12:30] schestowitz__ cheers ● Jan 04 [13:42] XRevan86 https://washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html [13:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Trump pressures Georgia's Raffensperger to overturn his defeat in extraordinary call - The Washington Post [13:44] XRevan86 Only listened to the four minute recording, that was fun. [13:46] *genr8_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [13:47] *genr8_ (~genr8_@unaffiliated/genbtc) has joined #techrights [13:59] *tdemin has quit (Remote host closed the connection) ● Jan 04 [14:43] schestowitz__ typical [14:44] schestowitz__ Trump makes Vlad look like top class and brass [14:51] *vZS1_2 (~vZS1_2@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [14:52] vZS1_2 schestowitz__: I'm going to pin the PDFs from the trial rn. [14:52] vZS1_2 You can just share the CIDs. I'll serve them for TR ● Jan 04 [15:00] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.106) has joined #techrights [15:08] schestowitz__ sounds good, vZS1_2 [15:08] schestowitz__ I think it's an abundant thing to be finding in the future [15:08] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:08] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFoaeZ-ptHo [15:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-all i want for christmas is to hit those notes - YouTube [15:08] schestowitz__ ipfs might be better for rare and suppressed stuff [15:16] schestowitz__ vZS1_2: still uploadign the video LOL [15:16] schestowitz__ since 7am [15:16] schestowitz__ just halfway now [15:16] schestowitz__ great stuff [15:16] schestowitz__ 70mb in about 7 hours [15:16] schestowitz__ welcome back 1995 [15:17] Techrights-sec https://www.voanews.com/europe/british-judge-rejects-us-extradition-request-wikileaks-founder [15:17] Techrights-sec The argument presented there is about his health and not about [15:17] Techrights-sec freedom of the press. [15:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | British Judge Rejects US Extradition Request for WikiLeaks Founder | Voice of America - English [15:17] schestowitz__ Our post was updated to show this [15:18] vZS1_2 Techrights-sec: we discussed this earlier. It's all recorded in the IRC logs. [15:18] vZS1_2 Assange was discharged wrt Section 91(3)(a) of the Extradition Act 2003 [15:20] vZS1_2 schestowitz__: I wrapped a directory around the two PDFs this time [15:21] Techrights-sec ok, I see the update: http://techrights.org/2021/01/04/julian-assange-wins-extradition-battle/ [15:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Julian Assanges Extradition DENIED by British Court (Updated) | Techrights [15:22] vZS1_2 https://ipfs.io/ipfs/Qmc5uYkRdTB51XZQz1oUDTqPdTnBerZ8CzLCUNmKx3Z5P9/USA-v-Assange-annex-040121.pdf [15:23] vZS1_2 https://ipfs.io/ipfs/Qmc5uYkRdTB51XZQz1oUDTqPdTnBerZ8CzLCUNmKx3Z5P9/USA-v-Assange-judgment-040121.pdf [15:23] vZS1_2 These are the official court documents [15:24] schestowitz__ WHAT? No archived TWEETS? [15:24] schestowitz__ Did you not put in IPFS 1MB of zips of tweets with JS and images and fonts? :-) [15:24] vZS1_2 Sorry. No Twitler here. [15:24] schestowitz__ But tweets, man! [15:25] schestowitz__ decisions: tl;dr [15:25] schestowitz__ "Trump MAGA2020 John" tweet about Assange is better than 132 of legal text [15:25] schestowitz__ *pages [15:27] vZS1_2 Techrights-sec: USA-v-Assange-judgment-040121.pdf, pg 132, Section "J. Orders", item "410". [15:28] schestowitz__ Techrights-sec will see that [15:28] schestowitz__ speaking over ssh relay on self-hosted raspi with ytalk in tmux :-) [15:28] vZS1_2 Good stuff [15:28] vZS1_2 Just wanted to make it easier for them [15:29] MinceR https://explosm.net/comics/5718 [15:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net) [15:30] vZS1_2 s/pg 132/pg 131/ [15:43] schestowitz__ this is new and your turf, vZS1_2 [15:43] schestowitz__ "Signal has been moving in the direction of adding PINs for some time because they realize the danger of relying on the phone number system. Signal just mandated PINs for everyone as part of that switch. Good for security? I really don't think so. They did it so you could recover some bits of "profile, settings, and who youve blocked"." [15:43] schestowitz__ https://bryanquigley.com/posts/wrong-about-signal.html [15:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bryanquigley.com | Wrong About Signal | Bryan Quigley [15:43] schestowitz__ I'd do a video about signal and other crap [15:43] schestowitz__ but I lack firsthand experience with those "apps" [15:44] schestowitz__ "In summary, Signal got people to hastily create or reuse PINs for minimal disclosed security benefits. There is a possibility that the push for mandatory cloud based PINS despite all of the pushback is that Signal knows of active attacks that these PINs would protect against. It likely would be related to using phone numbers." [15:44] schestowitz__ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19796917 [15:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why signal is #shit and #eff endorsing such #shitty things harms the reputation of the EFF https://bryanquigley.com/posts/wrong-about-signal.html [15:54] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [15:54] schestowitz__ I heard many bad things about signal [15:55] schestowitz__ but no actual experience with it, which I suppose is a good thing [15:55] vZS1_2 It is fake encryption because you don't control your keys [15:55] schestowitz__ Vault 7 has some leaks about how CIA bypasses the 'protection' [15:55] schestowitz__ People really should not use so-called 'phones' to communicate [15:55] schestowitz__ except maybe 'hi', 'bye', 'cya 7' [15:56] schestowitz__ the sorts of comms that give almost nothing of us [15:56] schestowitz__ *use [15:56] schestowitz__ or nothing that's not already known or easy to figure out [15:59] vZS1_2 It's still possible to keep privacy when using these services [15:59] vZS1_2 Just use end-to-end encryption ● Jan 04 [16:00] schestowitz__ and not on a 'phone' [16:00] schestowitz__ you cannot hold any private keys on it [16:00] schestowitz__ assume any key on it to be compromised [16:00] schestowitz__ throw away the key [16:00] schestowitz__ replace with another [16:00] schestowitz__ like mistakenly pasting a password in a busy IRC channel [16:01] scientes schestowitz__, I've got the pinephone [16:01] schestowitz__ does it have dual processor? [16:01] schestowitz__ one for the tower? [16:02] scientes 4xA53 [16:02] schestowitz__ I've long wondered if pinephone did something about that [16:02] scientes oh, and the modem has its own, but it probably is not secure [16:02] schestowitz__ pinephone can be 100% failproof and without back doors, intentional or not [16:02] scientes its over the pci bus [16:02] schestowitz__ but if there's a hypervisor on the board, you need to inspect that too [16:03] scientes Bus 003 Device 002: ID 2c7c:0125 Quectel Wireless Solutions Co., Ltd. EC25 LTE modem [16:03] scientes usb bus [16:03] scientes schestowitz__, no, its just arm with linux [16:03] scientes fairly standard [16:03] scientes and it uses ModemManager [16:03] scientes Intel actually built some really nice software that works with GNU/Linux [16:04] scientes I think because of their involvement with Tizen [16:04] scientes like they wrote the daemon for doing MMS (picture SMS) [16:04] scientes not something I am interested in [16:06] schestowitz__ "linuxsecurity" relaying anti-Linux FUD AGAIN https://www.linuxsecurity.com/news/hackscracks/golang-malware-infecting-windows-linux-servers-with-xmrig-miner?rss [16:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxsecurity.com | Golang malware infecting Windows, Linux servers with XMRig miner. [16:06] schestowitz__ sometimes it feels like anti-Linux site [16:07] schestowitz__ also fuding go and monero [16:07] vZS1_2 MS hates Go because it's wildly successful and not theirs [16:09] MinceR i hate go because lol no generics [16:14] *tdemin (~tdemin@lan.tdem.in) has joined #techrights [16:15] vZS1_2 I still like it. [16:15] MinceR https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq0lkKyXcAE4mQt?format=jpg&name=orig [16:16] vZS1_2 Also, they have added genererics to Go [16:16] vZS1_2 s/genererics/generics/ [16:16] schestowitz__ :-) [16:16] schestowitz__ gonerics [16:16] vZS1_2 I'm pretty sure including generics was forced on the design team [16:16] MinceR :> [16:17] vZS1_2 Go has interfaces and those are sufficient [16:17] vZS1_2 They resisted generics from the very start [16:17] vZS1_2 But marketing probably to blame there [16:17] MinceR i prefer languages designed by teams who don't want to force me to copy/paste code [16:17] schestowitz__ do you want your work and code to rely on google? [16:17] vZS1_2 Yeah. Because you can compile Go from source. [16:17] vZS1_2 It's practically free [16:18] vZS1_2 in both freedom and beer sense [16:18] schestowitz__ the direction is not [16:18] vZS1_2 Eh [16:18] schestowitz__ unless you have resources to fork it [16:18] vZS1_2 I will just use the version I use [16:18] schestowitz__ same for systemd and Linux [16:18] schestowitz__ they are vast [16:18] schestowitz__ and you know what sorts of companies control them [16:18] vZS1_2 You forget that you can freeze these things [16:19] schestowitz__ not always [16:19] schestowitz__ dependency hell can occur down the years [16:19] MinceR you can't freeze most of them safely [16:19] MinceR especially if your language has a practical library for things like networking [16:19] vZS1_2 There's still COBOL code running fine [16:19] vZS1_2 It's no concern to me [16:19] vZS1_2 If people can't freeze that's their problem [16:20] vZS1_2 I can and it works for me (: [16:20] vZS1_2 And COBOL is a long-dead language. But virtualization means you can still run dead things [16:20] schestowitz__ uploaded 100mb now, 58 mb to go [16:21] schestowitz__ it'll take like 10 hours total [16:21] schestowitz__ COBOL is the exception [16:21] schestowitz__ many things still in use [16:21] vZS1_2 Not really [16:21] schestowitz__ and relying on it [16:21] vZS1_2 There's dead Java versions [16:21] schestowitz__ so ibm and others still train people and package things [16:21] vZS1_2 Dead ALGOL versions [16:21] vZS1_2 Dead Pascal versions [16:21] vZS1_2 All still running fine [16:21] schestowitz__ but not every language is like this [16:22] schestowitz__ freedos [16:22] schestowitz__ scummvm [16:23] vZS1_2 Vast swathes of the internet is held together by dead Perl versions [16:26] scientes all pearls are dead [16:27] scientes vZS1_2, GNUCobol was just released [16:27] vZS1_2 Nice propaganda [16:27] scientes and virtualization is not a answer [16:27] vZS1_2 Perl is one of the most ubiquitous languages out in the wild [16:27] scientes some myths might say "its turtles all the way down" but that doesn't really work that well [16:28] vZS1_2 Forgot this joker is on my ignore list. [16:29] scientes vZS1_2, people forget that virtual memory was once the form of virtualization [16:29] scientes and now we are stuck with it as just another form of complexity [16:30] schestowitz__ https://blog.rust-lang.org/2021/01/04/mdbook-security-advisory.html [16:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.rust-lang.org | mdBook security advisory | Rust Blog [16:30] scientes when The New Yorker covers CoreOS (which is not really maintained, there is a LWN article about the lack of maintinance of the Fedora CoreOS version) you know the cool-aid has some good LSD in it [16:59] scientes which are all non-free ● Jan 04 [17:06] MinceR (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/20/b8ff71f9cf47533e.mp4 [17:07] scientes MinceR, (cat) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH2H121T1Y4 [17:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lion Baby Meets His Namesake - YouTube [17:08] MinceR >:3 [17:34] vZS1_2 schestowitz__: someone pointed out to me that the medical angle will be harder to appeal against. [17:34] vZS1_2 I don't know how true that is but it seems reasonable. [17:34] schestowitz__ yeah, but see section (3) [17:34] schestowitz__ or rather point (3) [17:35] schestowitz__ if his condition changes, what happens? [17:35] vZS1_2 Judge said "discharged" [17:35] schestowitz__ either way, he needs to flee 5EYES [17:35] vZS1_2 That's (3)(a) [17:35] schestowitz__ they can kill him in the the streets or he can die like John Lennon [17:35] schestowitz__ they can also make new accusations against him [17:35] schestowitz__ like the Sweden 'case' [17:35] vZS1_2 If Judge said "adjourned", it would be (3)(b) [17:36] vZS1_2 So he's off the hook, for now [17:36] vZS1_2 Possible. But I just wanted to mention what someone else told me [17:36] schestowitz__ BTW, slack crashed for hours [17:36] schestowitz__ yay, clown computing [17:37] schestowitz__ I suspect security incident (ANOTHER one) is possible [17:37] vZS1_2 "zero downtime" [17:37] vZS1_2 Whatever it is [17:37] schestowitz__ would be chaotic when all those idiots who share passwords there pay the price [17:37] vZS1_2 It isn't "zero downtime" [17:37] schestowitz__ they still don't explain what happened [17:38] schestowitz__ when is the judgement implemented and Assange goes and walks free with his family? [17:38] schestowitz__ to see his kids and all [17:38] schestowitz__ or maybe he wanted to visit a clinic first [17:38] schestowitz__ tbh, if I were him, take the NEXT available plane [17:38] schestowitz__ and out of the bloody country [17:38] schestowitz__ somewhere like Switzerland [17:39] schestowitz__ where there was political will to grant him asylum [17:39] schestowitz__ and then hide them with help from the state [17:39] schestowitz__ the Swiss authorities don't take no s*** with CIA, based on some Snowden stories [17:39] schestowitz__ they tried to get a bankster drunk behind the wheel to blackmail him [17:40] vZS1_2 Don't really know much about these rumours [17:41] vZS1_2 I'm happy we managed to find and put up the judgement documents on TR [17:41] vZS1_2 The PDFs seem to be getting a lot of downloads from my IPFS node [17:42] vZS1_2 I'll unpin them from my node later and see if they are pinned elsewhere [17:42] schestowitz__ I am still waiting for my upload to finish [17:46] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: I paid an attorney for a consultation. [17:46] DaemonFC[m] I decided I'd rather go in there with some backup. [17:47] DaemonFC[m] I hate dealing with lawyers. [17:47] schestowitz__ how many dollars per word uttered by that genius mouth? [17:47] schestowitz__ iirc, you can have a representative with you [17:47] DaemonFC[m] God knows. $150 for the consult. Her paralegal said flat fee depending on amount of work involved. [17:47] schestowitz__ and they are shielding you from unfair or trick questions [17:48] DaemonFC[m] But the $150 gets applied to the fee if I hire her. [17:48] schestowitz__ I can consult for free ;-) [17:48] DaemonFC[m] It's basically to stop people from wasting their time I guess. [17:48] schestowitz__ but I cannot sign legal documents [17:48] schestowitz__ didn't graduate from their glorified school [17:48] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: Yeah, it's basically like paying a mercenary. [17:48] DaemonFC[m] To protect you from an ambush during the "interview". [17:48] MinceR https://assets.amuniversal.com/fc0c04b081ad01380499005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-06-11 ) [17:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Better Fast Than Good - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2020-06-11 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [17:49] scientes MinceR, why does he have a post-card on his face? [17:50] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: The paralegal says it might be better to request a new interview date, then have the attorney go over the I-864 we intend to file to make sure nothing gets fucked up, file it, and then have her go to the interview with us. I briefly described Maricel and she went "Uggghth.". I was like, "My sentiments exactly.". [17:50] MinceR scientes: it's a respirator [17:50] scientes MinceR, does he have asthma? [17:51] MinceR probably not [17:51] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: The upside is that the $1,200 stimulus check landed in our bank account. [17:51] scientes my glasses company now thinks I should buy fog-proof glasses [17:51] scientes instead of just not be stupid and fog up my glasses [17:51] DaemonFC[m] So I'm guessing that will cover at least 50-60% of what I'm in for regarding the lawyer. [17:52] DaemonFC[m] I went over it in my head. I was like, "Well, if the lawyer costs $2,000 or somewhere around that probably, and she saves us from this turning into a complete disaster involving deportation defense while Mandy loses his job.....". [17:53] DaemonFC[m] The worst thing that could happen is it would have gone through anyway and I wasted money. But she might just be the difference that keeps our case from going totally sideways during the "interview". [17:55] vZS1_2 Good luck, DFC. ● Jan 04 [18:02] DaemonFC[m] Thank you. [18:02] MinceR https://nitter.net/nandoodles/status/1345774768746852353 [18:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Nandini Jammi (@nandoodles): "The biggest story in tech no ones talking about is Uber discovering theyd been defrauded out of $100M - or 2/3 of their ad spend. And all bc Sleeping Giants kept bugging them to block their ads on Breitbart." | nitter [18:02] DaemonFC[m] We're going to have to hit the ground running with this, but I think we can beat the bastards. [18:03] DaemonFC[m] Mandy called it an "interrogation". I said, "You accidentally called it what it is.". [18:11] schestowitz__ vZS1_2: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19797867 [18:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #slack issued another update 5 minutes ago, STILL refusing to name what the problem is (causing hours of downtime), so people should SUSPECT ANOTHER DATA BREACH (system compromise, as before) http://techrights.org/2019/07/20/slack-is-dead/ [18:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Slack Committed a Very Major Crime That Can Cost Many Billions If Not Trillions in Damages for Years to Come | Techrights [18:11] schestowitz__ can you, MinceR and others help investigate this? [18:11] schestowitz__ maybe some insider has already hinted or leaks out the root cause? [18:12] schestowitz__ we have a customer that uses shit (pronunciation of "slack") [18:12] schestowitz__ would be nice to have a good case for getting them off it and onto jabber or matrix [18:12] MinceR someone else mentioned that slack died as well [18:13] XRevan86 schestowitz__: I'm pretty sure it's pronounced Schlacke [18:13] schestowitz__ it keeps dying for hours now and they DO NOT EXPLAIN WHY [18:13] schestowitz__ Shalke FC [18:13] MinceR at 17:25 CET, they said slack died, their browser restarted and teams failed to connect properly [18:13] schestowitz__ Schalke [18:13] DaemonFC[m] Don't buy the extras unless they don't charge too much more for polycarbonate lenses. [18:13] schestowitz__ "Slack the fuck" [18:13] DaemonFC[m] That one actually is worth the upgrade if you can get it for not too much money. [18:13] DaemonFC[m] Oh, I forget, he says he ignored me. [18:14] schestowitz__ it was down maybe 3 hours ago [18:14] schestowitz__ and still isn't working properly, and they never say why [18:14] schestowitz__ https://status.slack.com/2021-01/9ecc1bc75347b6d1 [18:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-status.slack.com | Status Site [18:14] schestowitz__ they say they investigate [18:14] DaemonFC[m] Anyway, I learned the ins and outs of eyeglasses. The only real upside with Zenni is that you get the eyeglasses cheaply, so when you do end up fucking them up, they don't cost much to replace. [18:14] schestowitz__ as if to say they don't know what's going on [18:14] schestowitz__ unless there's a system-wide intrusion [18:15] DaemonFC[m] The frames at Walmart are made better, but you'll probably pay 4-5 times as much for them. [18:15] schestowitz__ and maybe they shut things down intentionally [18:15] schestowitz__ they had data breaches before http://techrights.org/2019/07/20/slack-is-dead/ [18:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Slack Committed a Very Major Crime That Can Cost Many Billions If Not Trillions in Damages for Years to Come | Techrights [18:15] DaemonFC[m] By the time you destroy a pair of Zennis, you can just replace them and still be money ahead. [18:16] DaemonFC[m] And any outfit operated by Luxottica is going to be 4 times as expensive as Walmart. [18:16] DaemonFC[m] They cater to the Maricels who go oh sure $8,000 for eyeglasses for the family because it's only money. [18:17] DaemonFC[m] The ridiculous thing about her freaking out and hiring a lawyer to undo her support affidavit is that she presumed that we wouldn't agree to go over whatever it was she was talking about and see what was reasonable. [18:18] DaemonFC[m] She came to this ridiculous amount of money that far exceeded anything his schooling cost (which I think she should have credited him all the cleaning and snow shoveling and whatnot they had him doing on the house and didn't consider that he was handing her all his money from a small job his visa allowed on campus that she screamed at him to quit because "It didn't pay enough."). [18:18] DaemonFC[m] It's never enough. No matter what you do for her, it's never enough. [18:19] DaemonFC[m] She just flat out demanded all of his Walmart money. An amount that would have caused our household to collapse and then she'd get nothing anyway. [18:19] DaemonFC[m] Just terible. [18:20] DaemonFC[m] They were in Spain on vacation screaming at him through the security intercom because he took a five minute break from cleaning to their standards to get a cup of water. [18:20] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: If this was another time and place anyone who saw her would say demonic possession. I say paranoid schizophrenia with comorbid bipolar mania. [18:21] schestowitz__ why are we talking gossip? [18:21] DaemonFC[m] Worst case I've ever seen with the exception that she can put enough of a lid on it in public to remain functional at work. [18:21] schestowitz__ better to focus on tech here [18:21] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: If we ever get out of this I'm going to sign up for one of those psychology courses at the local university. [18:22] DaemonFC[m] They were advertising some fee reduced scale for people of my income. [18:23] DaemonFC[m] If I had the money to swing it as a hobby I'd probably take it. I mean the worst thing that happens is I get an associates degree and jobs open up that don't necessarily pertain to that, but require a two year degree because the economy is bad. [18:23] DaemonFC[m] I was telling John I'd love to be a conductor on the Metra train. They make great money and you get to ride a freaking train all day, which is just gravy really. [18:28] schestowitz__ can we talk about tech? [18:28] schestowitz__ like the downtime of shit? [18:33] schestowitz__ Going to work on some leaks now. Anybody want to help? DaemonFC? [18:33] schestowitz__ This one is about Linux [18:34] DaemonFC[m] Yeah [18:34] schestowitz__ you can add your remarks if you wish [18:34] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [18:34] schestowitz__ I have loads of stuff in the trobve [18:34] *rianne__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:34] DaemonFC[m] I'm waiting for documents to upload to my Google Drive anyway. [18:34] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/intel1.png [18:34] DaemonFC[m] Quick and dirty because COVID. [18:34] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [18:34] schestowitz__ thoughts? [18:35] schestowitz__ " [18:35] schestowitz__ > file still 22mb after compression. [18:35] schestowitz__ Hi, [18:35] schestowitz__ I received 3 xxxxxx from you. [18:35] schestowitz__ one 10kb [18:35] schestowitz__ one 200k [18:35] schestowitz__ one 1MB [18:35] schestowitz__ Was one more missing? [18:35] schestowitz__ Hi. I believe this is correct. [18:35] schestowitz__ Did you receive multiple images or no? Should have been about 8 images. [18:35] schestowitz__ " [18:35] schestowitz__ we have about 10 more parts to publish [18:35] schestowitz__ it's lockdown here, so time if not an issue [18:35] Techrights-sec https://mamot.fr/@jz/105498302786510139 [18:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mamot.fr | Jrmie Zimmermann : "Let it be clear: the US *WILL* appeal thit decisi" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media Fdr [18:35] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [18:36] DaemonFC[m] Looks like whatever they're building is remarkably fragile and they're bringing a Windows mentality to Linux where you should pay consultants to work on a program targeting already-rotten software as if it will never become unsupported. [18:37] schestowitz__ I will quote you [18:37] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft is still fostering this mindset with LTSC versions of Windows 10, which are quite different than consumer ones. Companies are so resistant to change that even the built-in components that are being deprecated and removed in favor of Universal Windows Platform on other SKUs still have the legacy components in LTSC. Even the calculator. [18:37] *vZS1_2 has quit (Quit: vZS1_2) [18:38] MinceR https://assets.amuniversal.com/589403b076ce013800fc005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-06-21 ) [18:38] DaemonFC[m] Because you move even the smallest thing around, and something breaks. [18:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two Bad Options - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2020-06-21 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [18:38] DaemonFC[m] LTSC doesn't even have UWP, so the name is misleading. If you build a Universal Windows App, it will not work at all on Windows 10 LTSC. [18:39] schestowitz__ "Looks like whatever they're building is remarkably fragile and they're bringing a Windows mentality to Linux where you should pay consultants to work on a program targeting already-rotten software as if it will never become unsupported," Ryan noted in IRC some moments ago. [18:39] schestowitz__ But wait, it's going to get worse as we dive yet deeper. They not only adopt a "Windows mentality"; they wish to outsource the whole shebang to Microsoft. [18:39] schestowitz__ Sometimes you must wonder why companies insist on outsourcing to Microsoft (GitHub), perhaps forgetting that many important decisions aren't being made by geeks with a clue but by clueless nontechnical managers and so-called 'consultants' who may be covertly working for cults such as Microsoft. [18:39] DaemonFC[m] Which is because the UWP runtime and the Windows store are trash and corporations know that. [18:39] DaemonFC[m] The Win32 "Classic" API is actually far more capable, and Microsoft doesn't want to admit it. [18:40] schestowitz__ added [18:40] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: I don't know if you noticed this or not, but Microsoft has a UX job open. [18:41] DaemonFC[m] They're hiring for a major renovation to the Windows UI and they want to "send the message that 'WINDOWS IS BACK!'" according to the listing. [18:44] schestowitz__ dx=dev experience [18:44] schestowitz__ let me show another: [18:44] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/dx-rant.jpg [18:44] schestowitz__ thoughts? [18:46] MinceR the censorship bar is a bit too low :> [18:46] MinceR also, what does DX stand for? [18:47] schestowitz__ I know it low [18:47] schestowitz__ but it's enough to obscure the names [18:47] schestowitz__ their length might be guessable based on length regardless [18:47] schestowitz__ MinceR: [18:44] dx=dev experience [18:47] MinceR ic [18:48] schestowitz__ I wass going to do a video [18:48] MinceR if someone knows the font, they might be able to figure more out based on the parts that stick out [18:48] schestowitz__ but my upload speed is about 10 MB PER HOUR [18:48] schestowitz__ so even a short video would take hours [18:48] schestowitz__ MinceR: let them guess [18:48] schestowitz__ I might released unredacted at the end [18:48] schestowitz__ for completeness [18:48] schestowitz__ as PDF or something else [18:49] schestowitz__ depending on some factors [18:49] schestowitz__ like response from Intel apologists and shills [18:53] DaemonFC[m] Maddox (George Ouzounian) (spelling?) mentioned diversity in the workplace, contemptuously, over a decade an a half ago. [18:53] psydroid why would they throttle your home upload connection, if you are only using that for documents? do you think it's a deliberate action, because they figured out you are spreading techrights information from home? [18:53] DaemonFC[m] Mockingly, well ahead of CoCs. [18:54] psydroid George Ou from ZDNet? [18:54] DaemonFC[m] "Diverse ideas only come from people who look different!" [18:54] DaemonFC[m] No, famous internet troll with a blog. [18:55] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/dx-mistakes.jpg [18:55] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: have a look [18:55] schestowitz__ I am skipping many slides [18:55] schestowitz__ for concision purposes ● Jan 04 [19:00] psydroid Intel will always be strategically aligned with Microsoft, even if both companies go into steep decline [19:00] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: I kept it shot [19:00] schestowitz__ short [19:00] schestowitz__ want to proofread? [19:01] schestowitz__ we publish in bite-sized chunks [19:01] schestowitz__ will make it easier to connect and separate parts of exhibits [19:01] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: will post if you are ready to pounce and check [19:01] schestowitz__ psydroid: maybe you can check also [19:01] schestowitz__ I think at the end I will release al material [19:01] schestowitz__ hundreds of pages [19:02] schestowitz__ but they merit commentary first, document dumps have little impact because they take ages to digest [19:02] schestowitz__ I was planning to do videos today, but connection farrr too slow... taking over 12 hours already just to upload the first and it's not finished yet [19:05] DaemonFC[m] I'm ready. [19:05] DaemonFC[m] Just emailed a bunch of stuff to the attorney. [19:05] DaemonFC[m] Waiting to hear back from her probably at 3 PM. [19:05] schestowitz__ Okay, GO: http://techrights.org/2021/01/04/linux-as-windows/ [19:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks Part III: Intel Treats Linux Like Linux is Just Microsoft Windows | Techrights [19:05] psydroid schestowitz, I am available now [19:05] DaemonFC[m] So I'll be on a conference call with her and her paralegal for a while. [19:06] *schestowitz__ will release some of the more damning/incriminating parts first, later shows further details and dump the originals to avoid occlusion of context [19:06] schestowitz__ psydroid: see if you can catch errors [19:10] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: Might note that Windows Store was on the verge of failing completely, filled with fake, fraudulent, and misleading apps that would be removed as violating Apple's quality standards, until Microsoft made it so that developers could take a plain old Win32 desktop app, with basically no changes, put it in an AppX package, and host it in the store. So there are some real applications now, but they mostly [19:10] DaemonFC[m] ignore the UWP APIs completely, and they can miss important features. For example, VLC is there and can't play DVD or Blu Ray discs, and foobar2000 is there, but you can't add your own components to it, which is like 90% of the reason you'd use it. [19:11] schestowitz__ I saw KDE numbers for their store [19:11] schestowitz__ pathetic [19:11] schestowitz__ like, top might be krita and kate [19:11] schestowitz__ at maybe 50k users [19:11] schestowitz__ and they used to joke nobody uses linux [19:12] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: do we need to mention Store in the article? [19:12] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, some KDE applications are in the Windows Store. They suggest making a donation, but if you do it that way then Microsoft will take 30% of the donation away from them. Since the application is completely functional either way, if you want all of the money to go to KDE you should donate directly to KDE through their website. [19:12] schestowitz__ I could add a footnote [19:12] schestowitz__ if you think it is important [19:12] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: monopoly rents [19:13] DaemonFC[m] Maybe in the context of Microsoft tending to pollute Windows with a bunch of garbage that literally nobody wants to use, let alone developers. [19:13] schestowitz__ anyway, I'd rather now shift attention to this other issue [19:13] DaemonFC[m] Then they talk of "developer experience". [19:13] schestowitz__ will add to notes for future parts, maybe.. [19:13] schestowitz__ thanks [19:13] psydroid it's not just that, KDE makes it hard to install stable versions of applications on Windows without the store, so you can usually only install nightlies [19:13] DaemonFC[m] Even the real applications in their store. You ask the developer "Why put crippleware in the store?" and they go "Some people use Windows 10 in S Mode.". [19:14] schestowitz__ seems like waste of dev effort [19:14] schestowitz__ as I often tell them [19:14] DaemonFC[m] If you want the real, full, application, you have to bypass the store and go directly to the developer. [19:14] schestowitz__ most things they compile for win/store only get a few thousands active users [19:14] DaemonFC[m] It's crazy. It's idiotic. [19:14] schestowitz__ worth the effort? [19:14] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft's own policies on the Store are killing their own store. [19:14] schestowitz__ they shut down their PHYSICaL stores [19:15] DaemonFC[m] It's also pressuring people to give up and escape from S Mode because they can't actually use their computer if they don't. [19:15] schestowitz__ why not do the same with virtual ones? [19:15] schestowitz__ anyway, on to next article now.. [19:15] DaemonFC[m] No, it's not. The whole idea of Windows Store has failed badly. [19:16] DaemonFC[m] If Microsoft had been more supportive and flexible, who knows? [19:16] DaemonFC[m] But the web is instead littered with developers recommending leaving S Mode so you can use their real application, not the Store version that doesn't have various features, or isn't allowed at all (like Firefox and Chrome). [19:17] psydroid as for Intel I have seen them insert x86 assembly code into an xorg driver from one release to another so it would stop building on non-x86 architectures [19:17] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft, early on, banished other web browsers from their store. Their policies don't work, the restrictions don't work, because they have no clout. They're trying to spend Disney Bucks at Caesar's Palace, like Rick said in Rick & Morty. [19:18] psydroid until now it wouldn't matter because only integrated graphics have been available, but imagine them doing this kind of thing with their new discrete GPUs available on PCIE cards [19:18] schestowitz__ cheers [19:18] schestowitz__ will mention in future parts [19:18] schestowitz__ we have lots to show [19:18] *jose__ (~jose@2001:8a0:6156:600:ad24:96d6:80e8:8c35) has joined #techrights [19:19] schestowitz__ about their love of microsoft [19:19] schestowitz__ hi jose__ [19:19] jose__ hi there! [19:19] DaemonFC[m] I think that Intel entering the market with GPUs is a good thing for the market. It's a duopoly right now where only AMD and Nvidia compete in the discrete GPU segment, and they only have to be good enough to try to outsell the other one, and Nvidia will never release an open source driver. [19:19] psydroid so I would say Intel has been doing the Intel <3 Linux for longer than MS has been doing, but was just not seen as that, because the company was the so-called darling of the Linux world [19:20] schestowitz__ LF and OSDL funding [19:20] schestowitz__ for PR [19:20] schestowitz__ and for openwashing [19:20] DaemonFC[m] More vendors means more choices. More choices mean better products and more competitive pricing, in theory. [19:20] schestowitz__ They had hired Hondahl [19:20] schestowitz__ before the GPL violators at vmware snatched him to lie for them, instead [19:20] schestowitz__ Dirk [19:20] schestowitz__ dreck [19:21] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft's endgame is always that after they defeat the competition, they slink back into the comfortable spot of barely supporting that product, firing 90% of the developers, and letting it stagnate into another rotten mess full of security holes. [19:21] DaemonFC[m] Internet Explorer 6 went on for more than half a decade before a new version was out....with tabs and some minor improvements to CSS. [19:22] DaemonFC[m] IE 7 very much still went along with their previously stated policy of delivering new version with new versions of Windows, and making only small changes. [19:23] DaemonFC[m] They misread what the users of web browsers wanted. They figured "Oh they want tabs. We'll give them Internet Explorer with tabs. That'll shut 'em up!". [19:24] schestowitz__ I have another article ready [19:24] DaemonFC[m] For years, they told people on the inside who were asked about tabs that you didn't need tabs because the Windows shell would eventually group the windows. [19:24] schestowitz__ if you don't mind ready quickly to catch typos [19:24] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. [19:24] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/01/04/microsoft-ai-swpats-event/ [19:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Hosts a European Software Patents Propaganda Event (in Hey Hi Clothing) Featuring Thierry Breton and Litigation Firms | Techrights [19:25] DaemonFC[m] cant change and barely ever change at all [19:25] DaemonFC[m] cant change, [19:26] DaemonFC[m] Or, as Dave Lane put it mny times before [19:26] DaemonFC[m] many [19:27] DaemonFC[m] Either way, lets consider for a moment whats shown in this new but belated (by a whole month) post [19:28] DaemonFC[m] new, albeit belated post, which [19:31] DaemonFC[m] Still reading..... [19:31] DaemonFC[m] On the call with the lawyer, I might ask her to petition USCIS for a delay. [19:31] DaemonFC[m] If we can kick the can several months, it gives more of this Trump bullshit time to go away, anyway. [19:32] DaemonFC[m] Plus, it's several more months with Mandy where they can't do anything about it. [19:32] DaemonFC[m] EMH: Please state the nature of the medical emergency. [19:32] DaemonFC[m] Dr. Crusher: 20 Borg are about to break through that door! [19:33] DaemonFC[m] EMH: I'm a doctor not a doorstop. What do you want me to do? [19:33] DaemonFC[m] Crusher: I don't know. Do a dance. Tell a story. Stall them! [19:34] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [19:34] DaemonFC[m] So its as sort of second-hand account. [19:35] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: a secondhand account [19:35] schestowitz__ i find some more minor typos [19:35] schestowitz__ didn't know secondhand was OK as one word [19:36] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. [19:36] DaemonFC[m] Maybe it oughtnt be so shocking and here are some portions of the long text: [19:36] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [19:36] DaemonFC[m] "Maybe it shouldn't be so shocking. Here are some portions of the long text:" [19:36] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [19:37] DaemonFC[m] biggybacking? [19:37] DaemonFC[m] piggybacking [19:39] schestowitz__ ah [19:39] schestowitz__ evades me [19:39] schestowitz__ big pig that one... [19:39] DaemonFC[m] I looked up this attorney's office location. [19:39] DaemonFC[m] Only about a mile from where I lived with John in Rogers Park. [19:40] DaemonFC[m] Went to Loyola law school, passed the bar in 1993. 100% immigration. No reprimands. [19:40] DaemonFC[m] Most of her former clients that left a review gave good ones. [19:41] DaemonFC[m] I shudder to even think about what this is going to cost. [19:43] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/04/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-calls-georgia/index.html [19:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-There were 18 attempted calls from the White House to GA secretary of state's office, sources say - CNNPolitics [19:43] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: Maricel got a job at the White House I guess. Who knew? [19:44] DaemonFC[m] The Georgia Secretary of State has stopped taking calls from Trump. [19:45] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:46] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:46] DaemonFC[m] "Someone scrawled: "Were's [sic] my money?" on the front door of Mitch McConnell's house in Louisville, KY. That is apparently a reference to the $2,000 stimulus payment that Donald Trump called for and McConnell killed. Louisville police said that they don't have a suspect, since "person who doesn't like Mitch McConnell" doesn't really narrow it down too much." [19:50] *inky (inky@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/norayr) has joined #techrights ● Jan 04 [20:10] MinceR lol [20:11] DaemonFC[m] Meeting with the lawyer on the phone in an hour. [20:11] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, just having a lawyer in the room puts the immigration officer on defense. They'll probably make sure to behave themselves and document all of their findings with relevant law. [20:11] DaemonFC[m] That's worth...something. [20:15] *danielinux_ is now known as danielinux [20:15] *danielinux has quit (Changing host) [20:15] *danielinux (sbnc@wolfssl/developer/danielinux) has joined #techrights [20:43] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [20:59] *TTwrs (~TTwrs@c-67-169-185-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #techrights ● Jan 04 [21:01] *inky (~inky@141.136.76.144) has joined #techrights [21:11] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:14] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [21:41] *jose__ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [21:49] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Jan 04 [22:08] *TTwrs has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:09] *vZS1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:09] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [22:21] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/on [22:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - On [22:39] *tr_guest|13250 (43aadf36@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.170.223.54) has joined #techrights [22:39] *tr_guest|13250 has quit (Client Quit) ● Jan 04 [23:18] DaemonFC[m] I doubt anyone will appreciate the disruptions that DMCA abuse and Microsoft potentially giving up on GitHub at some future date will bring to their project, but it probably won't be a problem this week or next month. [23:18] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft already had a code hosting site, but nobody was going to that one so they bought one that already had people using it. 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