●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, January 04, 2022 ●● ● Jan 04 [00:00] schestowitz MinceR: channel name "meow meow" [00:00] MinceR indeed [00:01] MinceR schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephedrone [00:01] TR Bot Mephedrone - Wikipedia [00:01] MinceR :> [00:01] MinceR probably not meant to be a reference to this though [00:02] schestowitz where is that at? [00:02] schestowitz sounds russian, but doesn't look like it [00:03] schestowitz (the place) [00:03] MinceR i think istanbul, turkey [00:03] schestowitz they better watch out! [00:03] schestowitz erDOGan around the corner [00:05] TR News #Matrix Digital Rain On The #IBM PC With A High Persistence Monitor | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2022/01/03/matrix-digital-rain-on-the-ibm-pc-with-a-high-persistence-monitor/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/01/04/#latest [00:05] TR Bot Digital Rain On The IBM PC With A High Persistence Monitor | Hackaday [00:05] TR Bot Social Control Media Posts [00:09] *leah has quit (connection closed) [00:10] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [00:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [00:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 8.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 108.06 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.78 [00:11] DaemonFC I scheduled a pneumonia vaccine for Saturday. [00:11] DaemonFC I'm not sure what that was that hit me last month but it went on almost all month and through two rounds of antibiotics. [00:12] DaemonFC schestowitz, Mom _still_ has it. [00:13] DaemonFC She waited so long to go to the doctor that she started on Augmentin about a week ago. [00:13] schestowitz-TR pneumonia? [00:13] schestowitz-TR garmon? [00:13] schestowitz-TR harmon? [00:13] DaemonFC We're not sure what the hell it is. [00:13] DaemonFC Antibiotics kill it eventually. [00:13] DaemonFC It's going around. [00:14] schestowitz-TR pneumocron [00:14] DaemonFC The Amoxicillin got me on my feet again and I felt okay for 2 days after it ran out, but then I started coughing up green shit that tasted really bad. [00:15] DaemonFC So I went to the walk-in clinic and they put me on a Z-Pak. It started lifting up again, and it took about 12 more days before it was over. [00:15] DaemonFC It went on for about 27 days in total. [00:15] MinceR pneumocron [00:15] MinceR fluorona [00:16] DaemonFC Mom doesn't take flu shots. [00:16] DaemonFC She's taken most of her adult vaccines, but she doesn't get flu shots and she won't go near the ones for COVID either. [00:16] schestowitz-TR fluorona the return [00:16] schestowitz-TR two mate and mix to make a monster [00:16] DaemonFC She says a friend at church took the Shingles vaccine and had a very serious reaction to it. [00:16] schestowitz-TR stay tune for fluorona the trilogy [00:16] schestowitz-TR *tuned [00:16] DaemonFC I told her, "Well, it's well known the Shingles one can get rough.". [00:17] schestowitz-TR ewww [00:18] DaemonFC In the past 5 years I've been vaccinated against flu every year, COVID (3 doses, Pfizer), Meningitis A,C,W,Y, Meningitis B, and Hepatitis A. [00:18] DaemonFC The only one that had any side effects was for COVID. [00:18] DaemonFC I don't normally side effect reactions to vaccines. [00:18] DaemonFC Oh yeah, and I had a Tdap. [00:19] DaemonFC Tetanus is a really nasty thing. There's only been like one case in the US in the last 10 years that I can recall. [00:19] DaemonFC A child got it because his parents were anti-vaxxers and he went to the hospital for a month, suffered horribly, and by the time the doctors got it under control, it had cost the state a million dollars in care for the child. [00:20] DaemonFC People like that need to lose their children to the state. [00:20] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:20] DaemonFC Then they need to be sterilized so they don't have more. [00:21] MinceR i wouldn't trust the state with those [00:21] DaemonFC Sometimes the parents are even worse. [00:21] MinceR the state is a gigantic ongoing fuckup [00:21] DaemonFC Well, the theory of democracy is we have representatives to have arguments for us about how things should work. [00:21] schestowitz-TR I still remember the Tetanus... [00:22] schestowitz-TR as a kid I accidentally say on a small nail on a wood plank [00:22] schestowitz-TR and it was a bit rusty [00:22] DaemonFC However, under the new Democrat maps, 97% of people in Illinois won't have any choice at all about who their representative is. [00:22] schestowitz-TR so they gave me another Tetanus shot [00:22] schestowitz-TR that was painful, but no side effects that I can remember [00:22] schestowitz-TR *sat on [00:23] DaemonFC Yeah, I hit my head on a forklift and cut myself. [00:23] DaemonFC They took me to the hospital and gave me a tetanus shot. [00:23] schestowitz-TR maybe a common precaution [00:23] schestowitz-TR esp. with rust [00:23] DaemonFC Then they wrote me up for having an accident and then they told me to go back to work with dried blood all over my face and a concussion. [00:23] DaemonFC :) [00:23] schestowitz-TR maybe the shot hurt a lot because of my age [00:24] schestowitz-TR I was under 10, afraid of needles [00:24] DaemonFC Like, gee, I was really trying to bash my own face in against a metal roll cage you know. [00:24] DaemonFC Write me up, fucker. [00:25] DaemonFC They forced you to work fast if you wanted to keep your job or earn any money that week. [00:25] DaemonFC Then when you have an accident....your fault. [00:25] DaemonFC The base pay at Stride Rite was $8 an hour, but you could earn about $20 if you maxed out the "performance incentive bonus". [00:26] DaemonFC So I worked out a way where I could max it out doing any job in the building every hour of every week. [00:26] DaemonFC Then they got suspicious and started following me around because the managers didn't know how I was doing it. [00:27] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I kept track of my "PIE" score and if I went over 150% (where the bonus ended), I'd do things to bring it back down at the end of the week. [00:27] MinceR Proto-Indo-European? [00:27] DaemonFC Like, if they ran out of work and told me to sweep the floors, I would spend 20 more minutes under the "order pulling" job code. [00:28] TR News Best 12 #GNU #Linux #ASCII #Games That are Modern Looking - DekiSoft https://dekisoft.com/best-linux-ascii-games/ #dekisoft | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/01/04/#latest [00:28] Alternative link Cloudflare: dekisoft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://dekisoft.com/best-linux-ascii-games/ [00:28] TR Bot 12 Linux ASCII Games That are Modern Looking - DekiSoft [00:28] TR Bot Social Control Media Posts [00:28] DaemonFC It would pull down my rate for the week and get it closer to 150% while I was sweeping the floor for $20 an hour. [00:28] DaemonFC Or taking a dump. That was fun too. [00:28] DaemonFC Go to the back of the warehouse. There was a bathroom there. Play snake on my phone while my rate came back down towards 150%. [00:28] MinceR "Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That's why I poop on company time" [00:28] TR News The 16 Best Free Linux Screen Recorders Available (Download) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159862 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:28] TR Bot The 16 Best Free Linux Screen Recorders Available (Download) | Tux Machines [00:29] DaemonFC "Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That's why I poop on company time" [00:29] DaemonFC Well, if you make the same amount per hour under a job code at 180% or 150%, you should stay under the old job code for as long as possible to bring it back down towards 150%. [00:30] DaemonFC Then you get the full possible hourly pay for taking a shit or sweeping the floor. [00:30] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@6pxtd49npuduw.irc) has joined #techrights [00:30] DaemonFC Most people never had to worry about that because the next highest would be like 110-115%. [00:31] TR News The PinePhone Keyboard Case is Now Available to Buy http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159781#comment-32371 [00:31] TR Bot PinePhone keyboard now available (Wireless charging, fingerprint, and LoRa cases too) | Tux Machines [00:33] *coodre has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:33] TR News There are vastly more potent threats than this; for instance, if you buy their #librem5 and connect it to a network/carrier, your movements are tracked. https://puri.sm/posts/high-security-shipping-anti-interdiction-in-2021/ [00:33] TR Bot High Security Shipping: Anti-interdiction in 2021 Purism [00:35] leah i have been summoned [00:35] *schestowitz-TR runs to hide under a rock [00:35] *MinceR inspects the binding circle [00:36] leah schestowitz-TR: what did you think of the policy page posted on libreboot.org? [00:36] leah you should know, even on that page, i'm highly masking my true feelings. i'm now working on the osboot version ;) [00:36] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@dpkfdf6wax63c.irc) has joined #techrights [00:38] TR News "Local women had found Chris Lamb so difficult to deal with that they had to start their own crowdfunding campaign to get there. Lamb only had eyes for Albanian women like the woman who won an Outreachy internship." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159620#comment-32372 [00:38] TR Bot How to get selected for Outreachy internships | Tux Machines [00:39] schestowitz-TR leah: well, you are expressing amicable sentiments towards GNU [00:39] schestowitz-TR it is a powerful brand among those who value freedom [00:39] leah schestowitz-TR: i couldn't hide my true feelings anymore. the take away from that article should be this: [00:39] leah libreboot will continue complying with fsf policy. but fsf policy is flawed [00:40] schestowitz-TR leah: I have a question: [00:40] leah and the article simply highlights those flaws. i tried to be respectful [00:40] schestowitz-TR [00:33] There are vastly more potent threats than this; for instance, if you buy their #librem5 and connect it to a network/carrier, your movements are tracked. https://puri.sm/posts/high-security-shipping-anti-interdiction-in-2021/ [00:40] schestowitz-TR thoughts? [00:40] leah meh [00:40] leah it's purism. who cares [00:41] leah put me in a prison cell and give me these choices of people to share a bunk bed with: [00:41] schestowitz-TR charging premium to spew some nail polish on screws [00:41] leah * mjg59_ [00:41] leah * todd weaver [00:41] schestowitz-TR which I always found rather funny [00:41] leah i choose mjg59_ [00:41] leah todd is worse [00:41] schestowitz-TR also, it does not assure you that further up the chain nobody tampers with it [00:41] schestowitz-TR or inside purism itself [00:41] schestowitz-TR you need to purchase ANONYMOUSLY [00:41] schestowitz-TR I've long said [00:41] leah i don't care about purism [00:42] schestowitz-TR they cannot target people who buy a genetic product and pay with cash [00:42] leah even if purism ends up being the best thing ever, and improves everything, and saves the world [00:42] leah i will never forgive todd for his early villainy [00:42] leah for me, this is personal [00:42] schestowitz-TR though even if you pay with ID (card) it's too late for them to tamper if you take it off the shelf or back door [00:42] schestowitz-TR *room [00:42] schestowitz-TR not door [00:43] schestowitz-TR i heard bad things about him [00:43] schestowitz-TR not just from you [00:44] schestowitz-TR "when too people tell you that are you drunk..." [00:44] leah i'm gonna get back to working on osbmk/osbwww now [00:44] leah schestowitz-TR: wanna see osboot? my local homepage [00:44] leah i made a dark theme [00:44] schestowitz-TR lol [00:44] schestowitz-TR you mean changed a few lines in css? [00:45] schestowitz-TR with selector for css file? [00:45] TR News Games: #GOG Winter Sale, Not Actually A DOS Game, and ASCII Games Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159863 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:45] TR Bot Games: GOG Winter Sale, Not Actually A DOS Game, and ASCII Games | Tux Machines [00:45] schestowitz-TR leah: I have a dark theme [00:46] leah schestowitz-TR: https://lutim.stolon.fr/0gT6MVDy1CoeM5cd.png [00:46] schestowitz-TR I keep some black shirts in the cabinet [00:46] leah schestowitz-TR: i joke on the libreboot blob policy page by saying: [00:46] leah "libreboot is the light, and osboot is the dark side" [00:46] leah well, i'm giving osboot.org a dark theme! [00:46] MinceR dark side ftw [00:46] schestowitz-TR gemini has THEMES? [00:47] leah i'll get back to my work now. ping me again if you need me [00:47] schestowitz-TR leah: in gemini you choose the colours [00:47] schestowitz-TR and then they're consistent across capsules [00:47] schestowitz-TR no need for someone else to decide for you [00:47] schestowitz-TR the spec is simple enough that they cannot impose colours on you, either [00:48] schestowitz-TR leah: ah, ok, sorry. speak laters. ● Jan 04 [01:09] TR News Dr. #AndyFarnell (above) offers some positive words of encouragement and optimism as this series concludes http://techrights.org/2022/01/03/article-on-digital-rights-in-2021-part-10/ [01:09] TR Bot My Year as a Digital Vegan Part X Happy New Year: Thoughts for 2022 and Beyond | Techrights [01:11] TR News My birthday cake http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/The-Corona-Times/Roy-s-Birthdays/20211217_143744 [01:11] TR Bot 20211217 143744 [01:12] DaemonFC If Biden was smarter, he'd split this "BBB" bill into sections and have Chuck and Nancy start forcing up or down votes on all of it starting with the ones where most of them will be punished in the next election somehow if they vote against it. [01:12] DaemonFC Expanding Medicare is pretty popular in every state and it would provide them with attack ads against every Republican that voted no. [01:13] DaemonFC I'd start with that. Lower the Medicare age to 55, and add benefits. [01:13] DaemonFC Politics is often piecemeal. Stallman doesn't seem to get it. [01:14] DaemonFC The Republicans are a brick wall of "no" and the Democrats are functioning as several different parties calling themselves the same thing. [01:14] DaemonFC Jamming everything into one bill just doesn't work when one Senator that objects to any part of it can kill the entire thing. [01:15] DaemonFC By expanding Medicare, we move the conversation in the other direction from where Reagan pushed it in the 1980s. [01:16] DaemonFC "The billionaires are living longer, so the janitor has to wait longer to claim Social Security." [01:16] DaemonFC The problem is also going on throughout Europe. [01:16] DaemonFC It just keeps going up. They want you to die with nothing after paying payroll taxes forever. [01:17] DaemonFC They can turn it into a perversion of itself. Poor people pay, the middle class lives into their 90s. [01:17] DaemonFC It already happened to my aunt. [01:17] DaemonFC She died at 56 in a car accident. She paid millions to Social Security. [01:18] DaemonFC She didn't get anything. Nobody that was related to her inherited it. [01:18] DaemonFC Some people can afford to retire before they claim Social Security, or cut their work hours and go into partial retirement, but have to keep full time or they lose their health insurance. [01:19] DaemonFC Health insurance has become a carrot on a string in front of the plow horse. [01:20] DaemonFC Tech companies now exist with apps on phones to spy on people with crappy prescription drug insurance, or none at all. [01:20] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Did I mention having to use one for Mandy a few times. [01:20] DaemonFC GoodRX is SO STUPID. It charges the pharmacy to run some numbers, like $3 each time they do it, then it gives them a price and that's what they have to charge you. [01:21] DaemonFC I talked to a pharmacist who says he runs an independent pharmacy (rare these days) and he just matches the price on the screen if that's what it says when he looks it up on his computer, and he does not contact GoodRX. [01:22] DaemonFC Because GoodRX routes it through a PBM and they are the ones who have contracts with the pharmacy. The pharmacy goes along with it because no contract with PBMs means you can't accept any insurance plan that uses that PBM to negotiate their prices. [01:22] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: back on topic [01:22] schestowitz-TR I have a question [01:22] DaemonFC Then at the end of the month, the PBM sends their bill to the pharmacy. [01:23] schestowitz-TR do you have much experience with "smart" things? [01:23] schestowitz-TR meters [01:23] schestowitz-TR microwaves [01:23] DaemonFC So, that's where I'm going here. [01:23] schestowitz-TR etc. [01:23] DaemonFC GoodRX gets information about every patient who uses their app. [01:23] DaemonFC Even though they're a middleman. [01:23] DaemonFC Then they sell it to the drug companies, in addition to their kickbacks from the PBMs. [01:23] DaemonFC do you have much experience with "smart" things? [01:23] DaemonFC I have a smart meter. [01:23] DaemonFC No choice. [01:23] DaemonFC It's the law. [01:24] schestowitz-TR really? [01:24] DaemonFC And I have a smart toothbrush, but I don't ever use it with an app. [01:24] schestowitz-TR like, what if the home is old? [01:24] DaemonFC The company comes out and replaces the meter. [01:24] DaemonFC They tell you it benefits you in a lot of ways, including enabling "voltage optimization". [01:24] schestowitz-TR are some companies in IL not imposing it? [01:25] TR News PinePhone official keyboard case is finally available to purchase http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159781#comment-32373 [01:25] TR Bot PinePhone keyboard now available (Wireless charging, fingerprint, and LoRa cases too) | Tux Machines [01:25] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: those devices use up voltage? [01:25] schestowitz-TR do they optimise their own energy suckage? [01:26] schestowitz-TR I want to write articles on these things [01:26] schestowitz-TR but I never put a pair of hands on them [01:26] DaemonFC There's only one electric company in Illinois, and it's called Commonwealth Edision, but it's a subsidiary of Exelon. They also run most of the generating capacity in the state. You can sign up for another provider, but most of them just bill you for electricity and then sell carbon credits or some bullshit. Some run solar or wind and bill ComEd to put it in their system. You still get a bill from ComEd, but it says who your supplier is, and [01:26] DaemonFC ComEd doesn't care. [01:26] schestowitz-TR and don't have all the gadgets they come with regardless [01:26] DaemonFC The real money is in the delivery, which is always going to ComEd. [01:26] DaemonFC ComEd also gets a lot of bailouts from the state. [01:26] DaemonFC They threaten our lawmakers with shutting down the nuclear plants if they don't get more. [01:27] schestowitz-TR so they bill you twice [01:27] schestowitz-TR 1) as customer [01:27] DaemonFC DaemonFC: those devices use up voltage? Well, presumably even the mechanical ones use some energy. They have to keep the dials spinning. [01:27] schestowitz-TR 2) as taxpayer [01:27] schestowitz-TR the true bill is a hidden one [01:27] DaemonFC The new ones have a network connection over the power line and an LED display. [01:27] DaemonFC so they bill you twice [01:27] DaemonFC Exactly. [01:27] schestowitz-TR [01:27] DaemonFC: those devices use up voltage? Well, presumably even the mechanical ones use some energy. They have to keep the dials spinning. [01:28] schestowitz-TR not the water ones [01:28] DaemonFC They've gotten over $1.3 BILLION in bailouts over the nuclear threat in the past 6 years. [01:28] schestowitz-TR afaik [01:28] DaemonFC They did it twice to make each one look like a lower figure and then threatened to shut down different plants the second time. [01:28] DaemonFC Then the bailout package from the Democrats called itself a "clean energy plan". [01:29] schestowitz-TR people in IL would die in winter without electricity and/or gad [01:29] schestowitz-TR *gas [01:29] DaemonFC people in IL would die in winter without electricity and/or gad [01:29] schestowitz-TR so they blackmail people with lives as ransom [01:29] DaemonFC Yes, most in Chicago have boiler units because it's more efficient but outside Chicago, electric is more common. [01:30] schestowitz-TR it's common to have one supplier upstream [01:30] schestowitz-TR but it identifies through proxies [01:30] schestowitz-TR or tentacles [01:30] DaemonFC Because of the "pandemic" the electric company (and the gas companies, I think, nothing I have uses gas) are prohibited from non-payment shutoffs. [01:30] schestowitz-TR to give an impression of some competition [01:30] DaemonFC And they threaten to raise rates because of this. [01:30] schestowitz-TR banks can be the same [01:30] schestowitz-TR Bank of England sets interest rates [01:30] schestowitz-TR all the pertinent banks follow that [01:30] DaemonFC Yes, the Federal Reserve sets banking policies, but it's a quasi-governmental entity. [01:31] schestowitz-TR ok [01:31] DaemonFC The president and the Senate appoint a board of Governors, but they're nearly all from the big banks. [01:31] schestowitz-TR can you do some blog post about the spy meters? [01:31] DaemonFC And the banks own shares in the Fed to be a member. [01:31] schestowitz-TR I'm afraid I cannot say much except principles and theory [01:31] schestowitz-TR I'm not hypocritical enough to adopt one just to study it [01:32] DaemonFC There's a lot of politics involved in monetary policy. Presidents generally want easy money, and the banks don't care either. [01:32] DaemonFC Because high inflation causes people to panic and spend, or "invest" into a stock market that's overvalued. [01:32] schestowitz-TR worst case scenario: another bailour [01:32] schestowitz-TR they call it "stimulus" [01:32] DaemonFC They don't like "savers" and they blame "savers" for recessions. [01:32] schestowitz-TR as if the plunder if to stimulate "the economy" [01:32] DaemonFC This is "Keynesian Economics". [01:32] schestowitz-TR and to benefit you [01:32] DaemonFC It's bullshit. It's imaginary growth. [01:32] schestowitz-TR but you are the one paying [01:33] DaemonFC Japan has been down this road. [01:33] schestowitz-TR so in effect they say, GIMME ALL YOU MONEY!! [01:33] DaemonFC Right, you can have as much growth as you want with unlimited inflation. [01:33] DaemonFC It's funny how that works, right? [01:33] schestowitz-TR [01:32] Because high inflation causes people to panic and spend, or "invest" into a stock market that's overvalued. [01:33] schestowitz-TR ^yes, this [01:33] schestowitz-TR and then they lose the money [01:33] schestowitz-TR "bad investment, sorry" [01:34] schestowitz-TR so better to stay with 0% interest [01:34] DaemonFC They have "funds". [01:34] schestowitz-TR than a market where companies that lose money are said to be worth trillions [01:34] DaemonFC Technically, Mandy is a part-owner in Microsoft. [01:34] DaemonFC Because I had to invest his money in a fund to take the Walmart match. [01:34] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:35] DaemonFC Small cap stocks are too risky because they don't have a war chest of money to deal with long recessions and speculations that don't pan out. [01:35] schestowitz-TR or lobbying [01:35] schestowitz-TR or "creative" accounting [01:35] DaemonFC It's better to invest in a bunch of big companies that can sink a malinvestment or three with divisions that make money, bailouts, tax cheating, etc. [01:36] DaemonFC Yeah, I mean it's perverse. [01:36] DaemonFC But that's how they're less "volatile". [01:36] schestowitz-TR it is [01:36] schestowitz-TR you have several option [01:36] schestowitz-TR 1) don't save too much [01:36] schestowitz-TR 2) related to (1): don't work too hard [01:36] DaemonFC Working less is an investment, schestowitz-TR [01:36] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 9.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 169.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.76 [01:36] schestowitz-TR 3) don't spend much, or ensure you already have enough of what you will need [01:36] DaemonFC If you work less, you expose less of your total money to taxation. [01:37] schestowitz-TR not stockpiling food, that can spoil [01:37] DaemonFC Your marginal tax rate goes down. [01:37] schestowitz-TR it's a special case [01:37] AdmFubar1 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-skype-makes-you-solve-a-complex-captcha-10-times-to-sign-up/ [01:37] Alternative link Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-skype-makes-you-solve-a-complex-captcha-10-times-to-sign-up/ [01:37] TR Bot Microsoft Skype makes you solve a complex captcha 10 times to sign up [01:37] schestowitz-TR AdmFubar1: good [01:37] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Well, cat food lasts a couple of years. [01:37] schestowitz-TR I hope people find learning jitsi faster [01:37] schestowitz-TR than doing this crap [01:37] DaemonFC You can buffer cat food if you grab the latest expiration date bags and then rotate your stock. [01:38] DaemonFC That can be a good way to toss a few hundred bucks away, which they can't destroy. [01:38] schestowitz-TR but you need much storage space for it [01:38] DaemonFC If you have cats. :) [01:38] schestowitz-TR and if you move that becomes a burden too [01:38] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [01:38] DaemonFC I don't plan to move anytime soon if I can possibly avoid it. [01:38] DaemonFC It costs money to move. [01:39] schestowitz-TR [01:37] Your marginal tax rate goes down. [01:39] DaemonFC The real estate market where we're at is dead. [01:39] schestowitz-TR with a spouse it works out better [01:39] schestowitz-TR if both of you work [01:39] DaemonFC Which puts out some of the rent inflation fire. [01:39] schestowitz-TR you do not get taxed as a pair [01:40] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I worked out our marginal tax rate for this year. Technically we'll be in a 10% bracket, but our marginal federal income tax rate should only be about 3 or 4%. [01:40] DaemonFC I told Mandy to slow it down last year. We went on vacation and instead of using his personal time, he just took days off with no pay. [01:40] DaemonFC Then he didn't use PTO for Thanksgiving or Christmas. [01:41] DaemonFC I know the tax code. [01:41] DaemonFC I always aim to minimize. [01:41] DaemonFC For 2020, our marginal tax rate was negative 0.78%. [01:42] schestowitz-TR I've just taken a calculator [01:42] DaemonFC And that was before the tuition credit I took, which was refundable. [01:42] DaemonFC So that made our tax rate closer to -8%. [01:42] schestowitz-TR 21% of my income goes to tax, inclusive of full health coverage (NHS) [01:42] schestowitz-TR and inc. pension [01:42] schestowitz-TR so really it's 21% for pension+health+tax [01:42] DaemonFC Well, Social Security and Medicare are flat taxes, so nothing to be done about those. [01:43] DaemonFC State taxes income at 4.95%, but we each get a personal exemption. [01:43] schestowitz-TR the more your work, the less you get paid (per effort) [01:43] DaemonFC But the state starts at the federal AGI. [01:43] schestowitz-TR it's really dead simple [01:43] AdmFubar1 https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/12/why-is-the-uks-national-health-service-being-run-by-former-investment-bankers.html [01:43] Alternative link Cloudflare: nakedcapitalism.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/12/why-is-the-uks-national-health-service-being-run-by-former-investment-bankers.html [01:43] TR Bot Why Is the UK's National Health Service Being Run by Former Bankers? | naked capitalism [01:43] schestowitz-TR unless you are a tax-ecading oligarch [01:43] DaemonFC So if you can earn less at the federal level, you may be able to protect a lot of it from the state too. [01:43] schestowitz-TR *evading [01:43] schestowitz-TR then you are 'untouchable' [01:44] DaemonFC Because you start on the AGI (1040) or MAGI (1040EZ) line for state Total Income. [01:44] schestowitz-TR how to raise your income [01:44] schestowitz-TR 1) work less (more per hour) [01:44] schestowitz-TR 2) work less per time [01:45] schestowitz-TR (2) is not the same as (1) [01:45] schestowitz-TR I know people who work a net of 60-70 hours per week [01:45] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I deliberately filed our taxes using the 1040EZ for 2020 because the MAGI line produces a higher figure than the AGI line on the 1040. And you get to claim whatever the AGI or MAGI is for the form you used for their part on the immigration sponsorship. [01:45] schestowitz-TR then they have litttle personal life [01:45] DaemonFC So even though we had negative taxes, I got us above the minimum required level for immigration on the same form. [01:45] schestowitz-TR they get taxed like half their total income [01:45] DaemonFC I'm proud of that. [01:46] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I was sweating bullets. [01:46] DaemonFC One way it wouldn't be enough, the other way it was barely enough and they had to accept it. [01:46] DaemonFC Even our lawyer had to follow my logic. [01:47] DaemonFC She asked what the hell I was talking about with the MAGI line. [01:47] DaemonFC I said "Read this regulation for me.". [01:47] DaemonFC So I pulled a lot of legal maneuvers between everything I had to get done in 2019 and 2021. [01:48] DaemonFC And I got the better of a lot of people, honestly. [01:48] DaemonFC He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. [01:49] DaemonFC They put out all of these rules and regulations and procedures. [01:49] TR News Why Is the UK's National Health Service Being Run by Former Bankers? https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/12/why-is-the-uks-national-health-service-being-run-by-former-investment-bankers.html #nhs also outsources our data. 'Monetising' it? #tories hate public health. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/NHS [01:49] Alternative link Cloudflare: nakedcapitalism.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/12/why-is-the-uks-national-health-service-being-run-by-former-investment-bankers.html [01:49] TR Bot Why Is the UK's National Health Service Being Run by Former Bankers? | naked capitalism [01:49] TR Bot NHS - Techrights [01:49] AdmFubar1 yours could be a death by a thousand paper cuts [01:49] DaemonFC And they're not ready for a guy like me who sits down and crams for what he needs to do. [01:50] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Well, I told Mandy to take those days unpaid because PTO eventually turns into PPTO when it overflows the maximum you're allowed to have. [01:50] DaemonFC And PPTO can cover unexcused absences and they can't punish you for it. [01:50] TR News #theguardian coverage of #covid19 and #jeffreyepstein is incredibly dishonst. It's like #billgates runs their paper and Web site. Oh, wait. He bribes them repeatedly... http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/ [01:50] AdmFubar1 https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/jan/03/are-you-having-a-laugh-why-nhs-doctors-will-soon-be-prescribing-a-dose-of-comedy [01:50] TR Bot Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) | Techrights [01:50] TR Bot Are you having a laugh? Why NHS doctors will soon be prescribing a dose of comedy | Health & wellbeing | The Guardian [01:51] DaemonFC At the same time, taking the time off unpaid lowers your tax rate at the end of the year a bit. [01:51] schestowitz-TR AdmFubar1: some 'journalism', eh? [01:52] schestowitz https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1071858423438954497 [01:52] TR Bot @guardian Come for the enormous penis and brown olive recipes. Stay for the front page fabricated news stories on J https://t.co/XtwLxB0PR4 [01:52] schestowitz https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1071905591281487872 [01:52] TR Bot Come for the enormous penis. Stay for the front page fabricated news stories on Julian Assange. Bonus: how the UK o https://t.co/hrna1d9Htk [01:52] TR Bot Come for the enormous penis. Stay for the front page fabricated news stories on Julian Assange. Bonus: how the UK o https://t.co/hrna1d9Htk [01:52] DaemonFC I'd rather lower the tax rate, because declaring more income causes the IRS to turn around and tax ME more as well. [01:53] DaemonFC Then we lose twice. [01:53] DaemonFC It's basically a lose-lose. If Mandy earns that $800 he left on the table by not using PTO, the IRS will end up taking about $400 of it anyway when they get done with me. [01:54] DaemonFC Then that sets us up for an even bigger problem. [01:54] DaemonFC Because he didn't withhold at least 90% of the higher obligation, then if the same thing happens next year, we owe a penalty plus interest on the amount that was under-withheld. [01:55] DaemonFC The IRS is a real sticky wicket. [01:55] TR News ad [01:55] DaemonFC It's hard to tell what to do with them sometimes, schestowitz [01:55] DaemonFC The conservation of energy principle kicks in at a certain point. [01:55] DaemonFC And there's not much incentive to work more at that point. [01:56] TR News "One consequence of the importation of a DoE (Doctrine of Equivalents) into the EPC is that it wipes out the ages-old maxim that what comes after and infringes would, if coming before, destroy novelty." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/12/breaking-board-of-appeal-finds-no-legal.html?showComment=1641232327272#c8020824953596876422 [01:56] TR Bot Board of Appeal finds no legal basis for the requirement to amend the description in line with the claims (T 1989/18) - The IPKat [01:57] DaemonFC I've never lied to the IRS, but I've damned sure declared every proper deduction that applies. [01:57] DaemonFC Felta has lied on his taxes before. [01:57] schestowitz #uspto as #microsoft pusher https://www.patentdocs.org/2022/01/uspto-news-briefs.html see http://techrights.org/2021/11/20/microsoft-captured-uspto/ and http://techrights.org/2021/11/29/microsoft-vidal/ [01:57] Alternative link Cloudflare: patentdocs.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.patentdocs.org/2022/01/uspto-news-briefs.html [01:57] TR Bot Patent Docs: USPTO News Briefs [01:57] TR Bot Microsoft-Captured USPTO Doubles the Fines for Patent Applicants That Dont Use Microsoft | Techrights [01:57] TR Bot President Biden Wants to Put Microsofter in Charge of the Patent Office, Soon to Penalise Patent Applicants Who Dont Use Microsofts Proprietary Formats | Techrights [01:57] DaemonFC He'd make "donations" like an obsolete computer to the Salvation Army and then take a deduction that was many times what it was worth. [01:58] DaemonFC It's too late for them to audit. At least the parts I know about. They happened in the 90s. [01:58] DaemonFC What are you going to do? Call the IRS on your parents? [01:58] TR News #watchtroll : "While Chief Justice Roberts did not mention the Western District of Texas by name, that is what he is concerned about, which is clear from his reference to Senators expressing concern concern that has been expressed relative to patent case assignment in the Western District of Texas." [01:58] DaemonFC Actually, if I'd known then what I know now, I would have. [01:59] TR News "U.S. #antitrust enforcers carried out dramatic efforts to combat anticompetitive conduct last year, and all signs show that the aggressive efforts will continue in 2022." https://www.law360.com/retail/articles/1449975/the-antitrust-conduct-cases-to-watch-in-2022 [01:59] Alternative link Cloudflare: law360.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.law360.com/retail/articles/1449975/the-antitrust-conduct-cases-to-watch-in-2022 [01:59] TR Bot Antitrust Conduct Cases To Watch In 2022 - Law360 [01:59] AdmFubar1 https://www.osnews.com/story/134402/wine-gets-ported-to-haiku/ [01:59] Alternative link Cloudflare: osnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.osnews.com/story/134402/wine-gets-ported-to-haiku/ [01:59] TR Bot gets ported to Haiku OSnews [01:59] DaemonFC I watched my parents lie to the IRS every tax year and then, well, I don't think my mom deliberately played a hand in that. ● Jan 04 [02:00] DaemonFC He probably just said "Goddamn it, sign here!". [02:00] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159864 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:00] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [02:00] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:01] DaemonFC My thoughts on the IRS are nobody likes them, nobody likes taxes, few people get audited, but if you are one they audit, you should have nothing to hide. If you did something wrong, the consequences aren't worth it. [02:02] DaemonFC And oddly, that's how I've approached most things in life, and the states busted me for a couple of misdemeanors I didn't even do anyway. [02:02] schestowitz-TR propublica did some good investigations on irs [02:02] schestowitz-TR i think that was before famous criminal bill gates started bribing them [02:02] schestowitz-TR they had even covered microsoft's irs battles [02:02] DaemonFC The big reason everyone hates the IRS, or at least the middle class..... [02:03] DaemonFC The middle class sees it as the rich don't pay taxes, the poor get on all of these benefit programs, and then the IRS pays them as well. [02:03] DaemonFC Then it promotes this mentality where the middle class feels entitled to tell some whoppers. [02:03] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:03] schestowitz-TR it's an international problem [02:03] DaemonFC "Nobody else is pulling their weight around here, so why should I?" [02:04] schestowitz-TR and if the robber barons dislike the policy, then they threaten to move [02:04] schestowitz-TR it's a strategy [02:04] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [02:04] DaemonFC We're in a system where almost nobody pays for what they use. [02:04] schestowitz-TR well, wait [02:04] schestowitz-TR you pay [02:05] schestowitz-TR but... [02:05] DaemonFC The poor and the rich get the most benefit out of the tax system. [02:05] schestowitz-TR it's called national debt [02:05] schestowitz-TR it's like a shadow bank balance [02:05] DaemonFC Yes, for now that covers it up. [02:05] schestowitz-TR Ryan Farmer [02:05] DaemonFC It's not due yet, so party time! [02:05] schestowitz-TR bank balance, nominal: 10,000 USD [02:05] DaemonFC Everyone gets 10 or 15 times more than they paid for. [02:05] schestowitz-TR national balance: -250,000 USD [02:05] schestowitz-TR dependent/spouse [02:05] DaemonFC While things collapse and the "credit cards" load up. [02:06] schestowitz-TR another -250,00 USD [02:06] schestowitz-TR so in your lifetime you will need to pay a lot and maybe go to war with those who claim you owe them this much [02:06] schestowitz-TR plus, there are other fees on top of it [02:06] DaemonFC The United States right now is like a house that nobody is taking care of while the occupants live on credit cards. [02:06] DaemonFC And everyone thinks this is fine because it hasn't all collapsed, yet. [02:06] schestowitz-TR this is where gates and wall street derive their 'wealth' from [02:07] schestowitz-TR your minuses, collectively, are their pluses [02:07] schestowitz-TR marisol is worse off than you [02:07] schestowitz-TR she collects useless shoe racks [02:08] schestowitz-TR with crap made in sweatshops [02:08] DaemonFC https://www.vice.com/en/article/wd7ebz/i-worked-at-golden-corral-and-it-was-disgusting [02:08] schestowitz-TR so she has debt on top of the national debt [02:08] TR Bot I Worked at Golden Corral, and It Was Disgusting [02:08] DaemonFC Buffets reuse leftover food, and that's not a secret. [02:08] DaemonFC And not a bad thing. [02:08] schestowitz-TR and her living expenses that she is accustomed to are insatiable [02:08] DaemonFC It's still perfectly safe to cook into something else for breakfast the next morning. [02:08] DaemonFC That allows them to keep prices down and it lowers emissions and food waste. [02:09] DaemonFC and her living expenses that she is accustomed to are insatiable [02:09] DaemonFC That's why they work 70+ hour weeks and brag about it. [02:09] schestowitz-TR wow [02:09] schestowitz-TR idiots! [02:09] DaemonFC They have to do that to make minimum payments on stuff they never enjoy. [02:09] schestowitz-TR so they live like japanese [02:10] DaemonFC They almost lost their house to foreclosure a few years ago. [02:10] schestowitz-TR and cannot throttle up [02:10] DaemonFC And got sued by some credit card companies as well. [02:10] schestowitz-TR as they already use up their full bodily capacity [02:10] DaemonFC They have three car payments on things that are not practical or reliable. [02:10] schestowitz-TR if I worked 70 hours a week, then no techrights [02:10] DaemonFC Then they speed so much they racked up over $1,000 in fines. [02:11] DaemonFC Which I'm sure was great for their insurance rates. [02:11] schestowitz-TR rianne's base work is 16 hours a week [02:11] schestowitz-TR mine 36 [02:11] DaemonFC And instead of slowing down, MARISOL got a radar detector BUILT INTO THE CAR. [02:11] DaemonFC For over $1,000. [02:11] schestowitz-TR a fine would be cheaper [02:11] DaemonFC Yeah, those things are a cat and mouse game too. [02:11] schestowitz-TR also, not accurate [02:12] schestowitz-TR iirc, they make assumptions about frequency and other people reporting outposts [02:12] schestowitz-TR some become less visible [02:12] DaemonFC You buy one that can detect X band, the cops switch to K band. You switch to an X and K band, they switch to Ku band, you buy a X, K, and Ku, they start using Ka. [02:12] schestowitz-TR they ambush better [02:12] DaemonFC Or LIDAR. [02:12] DaemonFC Both hard to detect. [02:12] DaemonFC Now your system goes off because of motion sensors at the grocery stores and misses the cops. [02:12] schestowitz-TR so you get a false sense of security [02:12] schestowitz-TR and go over speed limit [02:12] MinceR get ahead of the curve with a stealth fighter/bomber [02:12] DaemonFC Yes, I used a radar detector once, schestowitz-TR [02:13] schestowitz-TR slowing down is cheaper than these gadgets [02:13] MinceR if your time is worthless :> [02:13] DaemonFC It was such a false sense of security that I started getting pulled over with it when I had never been pulled over without it. [02:13] schestowitz-TR MinceR: I remember that joke [02:13] DaemonFC I got three warning tickets somehow and then threw the detector out and slowed down. [02:13] schestowitz-TR I never got a ticket [02:13] schestowitz-TR didn't even get pulled over [02:14] DaemonFC On your fourth warning ticket, Indiana gives you a ticket and a fine for getting 4 warnings. [02:14] MinceR i never got a ticket for speeding and didn't get pulled over [02:14] MinceR even though i probably drive more than schestowitz-TR :> [02:14] DaemonFC So I got pulled over again years later with the same driver's license number, because that doesn't change unless you move to another state. [02:15] DaemonFC The cop says "I see you have three warnings. Last one was from several years ago. I don't think you deserve a ticket. So, this officially never happened. Just slow the fuck down.". [02:15] schestowitz-TR cool [02:15] MinceR > slow the fuck down [02:15] MinceR https://www.nyest.hu/media/kameraval-vedekezik-fucking.jpg?large [02:15] schestowitz-TR MinceR: fsck slowlyt [02:16] MinceR indeed [02:16] schestowitz-TR the "slowmo" scenario? [02:16] schestowitz-TR "but baby, the cop told me to" [02:17] schestowitz-TR MinceR: ah that place in germany [02:17] schestowitz-TR very unfortunate [02:17] MinceR austria [02:17] schestowitz-TR and source of endless jokes [02:17] MinceR i don't see anything unfortunate about it [02:17] schestowitz-TR who goes to fucking austria anyway? [02:17] MinceR many people around here do [02:18] schestowitz-TR they come back when they get tired of fucking [02:19] DaemonFC They renamed that. [02:19] DaemonFC It's Fugging now. [02:20] schestowitz-TR they still need some famous austrian [02:20] MinceR yeah, they've spurdoified it [02:20] schestowitz-TR as the most famous austrian is the most reviled person in modern times [02:20] MinceR replacing the signs with engraved boulders would have been cheaper and cleverer [02:20] MinceR some other place did that [02:20] DaemonFC The Fucking mayor got sick of the Fucking people stealing the Fucking sign. And when the Fucking mayor replaced the Fucking sign, sure enough....the Fucking police would find some Fucking teenagers fucking fucking in front of the Fucking sign. [02:21] DaemonFC Hmmm. [02:21] DaemonFC The one major downside about buying eyeglasses from Zenni. [02:21] DaemonFC It takes forever unless you pay them to put a rush on it. [02:22] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/vEkbkwe.jpg [02:22] Alternative link Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/vEkbkwe.jpg [02:22] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Zenni had an FAQ last year saying "If my glasses are made in China, will they have the Coronavirus on them when they arrive?". [02:22] DaemonFC I said, "No, but soon your country will be overflowing with it and a pair of Chinese eyeglasses will be the least of your concerns. [02:23] schestowitz-TR the person who blew the whistle on it and died was an ophthalmologist iirc [02:25] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:29] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@jubkat3igexrk.irc) has joined #techrights [02:31] TR News Links 4/1/2022: #UbuntuDDE Remix 21.10 and Libreboots Binary Blob Policy Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/01/03/ubuntudde-remix-21-10/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/01/03/ubuntudde-remix-21-10/ [02:31] TR Bot Links 4/1/2022: UbuntuDDE Remix 21.10 and Libreboots Binary Blob Policy | Techrights [02:31] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: if you wrote about spy meters, I'd be very interested in reading that [02:32] schestowitz-TR not like a meter reading [02:32] schestowitz-TR as I want to know where this lunacy is headed [02:32] schestowitz-TR like, do some of these come with microphones ("assistant") already? [02:32] DaemonFC No, it's somewhere else in the building. [02:33] DaemonFC They wouldn't let Mandy sign up for an electric account because they couldn't verify his SSN. [02:33] TR News "I would generally disagree or not associate, including spiritual healers who tell me how 5G is unbalancing our auras (about which I have no evidence)." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-030122.html#tJan%2003%2021:37:15 [02:33] TR Bot IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, January 03, 2022 [02:34] TR News "they could have sent him to therapists and asked for apology to Microsofters ;-)" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-030122.html#tJan%2003%2002:13:39 [02:34] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, January 03, 2022 [02:34] DaemonFC Maybe the one good thing Governor Pritzker did was stop the electric company from charging a $150 deposit to people with bad credit. [02:34] TR News #Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159865 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:34] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:34] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159866 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:34] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [02:34] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: not credit [02:34] schestowitz-TR debt [02:35] DaemonFC I had to hook us up last year when my credit was in the toilet. [02:35] schestowitz-TR don't use their words [02:35] schestowitz-TR take back meaningful vocab [02:35] DaemonFC I cycle between credit cards depending on what I'm paying. [02:35] DaemonFC I get $500-600 a year by doing that, and the best part is the IRS can't touch it. [02:36] DaemonFC They declared you don't have to pay taxes on credit card rewards because they are "rebates". [02:36] TR News "Canadian political scientist warns his country must face 'horrible' possibility of US becoming a 'right-wing dictatorship' by 2030" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-030122.html#tJan%2003%2018:59:04 [02:36] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, January 03, 2022 [02:37] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.15 k/sec., IPFS upstream 94.36 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.73 [02:37] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. 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HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-030122.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-030122.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-030122.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-030122.txt [02:39] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, January 03, 2022 [02:39] DaemonFC They published how much money poor people who pay with cash lose to these credit card reward schemes and how much rich people made in points. [02:40] TR News NEWS Fixing stutters in Papers Please on Linux https://blog.jhm.dev/posts/papers-please/ [02:40] TR Bot Fixing stutters in Papers Please on Linux Blog [02:40] TR News Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-030122.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-030122.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-030122.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-030122.txt [02:40] TR Bot IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, January 03, 2022 [02:40] TR News NEWS #Xe Converting a #VRChat Avatar to VRM Format for VTubing https://christine.website/blog/vrchat-avatar-to-vrm-vtubing-2022-01-02 [02:40] Alternative link Cloudflare: christine.website | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://christine.website/blog/vrchat-avatar-to-vrm-vtubing-2022-01-02 [02:40] TR Bot Converting a VRChat Avatar to VRM Format for VTubing - Xe [02:40] TR News NEWS #Geshan Using Redis with docker and docker-compose for local development a step-by-step tutorial https://geshan.com.np/blog/2022/01/redis-docker/ [02:40] Alternative link Cloudflare: geshan.com.np | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://geshan.com.np/blog/2022/01/redis-docker/ [02:40] TR Bot Using Redis with docker and docker-compose for local development a step-by-step tutorial [02:41] TR News NEWS #ComputersAreBad secret military telephone buttons https://computer.rip/2022-01-01-secret-military-telephone-buttons.html [02:41] Alternative link Cloudflare: computer.rip | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://computer.rip/2022-01-01-secret-military-telephone-buttons.html [02:41] TR Bot Computers Are Bad [02:41] TR News NEWS #Talospace #IBM #CentOS 8 Is An Ex-Distro (But #AlmaLinux Is Not) https://www.talospace.com/2022/01/centos-8-is-ex-distro-but-almalinux-is.html [02:41] TR Bot CentOS 8 is an ex-distro (but AlmaLinux is not) [02:42] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I put all of our autopay bills on my 1.5% cashback for everything card. That's the best non-bonus rate I have on any of them right now. [02:42] DaemonFC Gas and restaurants are 4% permanently on another one, and 5% on different quarters on another card. [02:43] DaemonFC Supermarkets are 2% permanently on one, Walmart.com is 5% on the Walmart one and 2% in the store. [02:43] TR News Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-01-03.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-01-03.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now) [02:43] DaemonFC Thanks to Brandon, the 4% on gas throughout the year has been nice. [02:44] schestowitz-TR lol Brandon [02:44] schestowitz-TR let's go [02:45] schestowitz-TR let's goaustraia [02:45] schestowitz-TR let's go Austria [02:45] DaemonFC https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22454885/who-pays-for-credit-card-rewards [02:45] TR Bot card rewards, points, and miles are paid for by Americas poor - Vox [02:45] DaemonFC Stavins is the co-author of a recent paper from the Boston Fed that looked at who winds up paying for credit card reward purchases. They found that in the US, high-income consumers pay an average of $13 less per month through retail prices, and low-income people pay 60 cents more, because of swipe fees on merchants. Rich consumers spend more overall on fees, but its because they spend more in general. When it comes to a percentage o [02:45] DaemonFC f transaction values, its poorer people who lose out. [02:45] DaemonFC So lets say I spend $1,000 on my purchases and you spend $100. I may spend more in terms of all the different fees and surcharges and cost of credit card transactions that merchants will transfer to higher retail prices. But in terms of the percentage, Ill pay a lot smaller fraction than you are, Stavins said. [02:46] DaemonFC I get a lot more than $13 a month in rewards. [02:46] schestowitz '\Government Debt in the United States decreased to 28907987 USD Million in November from 28908765 USD Million in October of 2021." [02:46] schestowitz https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt [02:46] TR Bot United States Government Debt | 2022 Data | 2023 Forecast | 1942-2021 Historical [02:46] schestowitz no update in two months [02:47] DaemonFC It decreases sometimes because of revenue going in. [02:47] DaemonFC Many people either pay their taxes quarterly or square up at the end of the year. [02:47] DaemonFC Ron White made a joke about this. [02:47] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Debt_Clock [02:47] TR Bot National Debt Clock - Wikipedia [02:47] schestowitz https://www.durst.org/about/clock [02:47] TR Bot The Durst Organization [02:48] DaemonFC He said he was in trouble with the IRS because when you're an independent contractor you have to file your taxes quarterly, "which I took to mean every 25 years". [02:48] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [02:48] MinceR lol [02:49] DaemonFC I wish I could find the unit of government that's ONLY a pest every 25 years. [02:49] DaemonFC Most of them manage to become one at least once a year or so. [02:49] DaemonFC At different parts of the year. [02:49] DaemonFC So they're always in your hair. [02:49] TR News "When the debt exceeded $10 trillion in September 2008, one more digit was added." https://www.durst.org/about/clock soon $30 trillion exceeded. The US economy died over a decade ago, but the media is in denial about it. "BORROW MORE, GO SHOPPING, PEASANTS!" [02:49] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:49] schestowitz-TR forkbombe: "age is just a number" -> "debt is just a number" [02:50] schestowitz-TR "cancer is just a diagnosis" [02:50] DaemonFC They were writing fantasy documents under Clinton about the national debt being fully paid off by 2011. [02:50] DaemonFC And how the world economy, which NEEDS US Treasuries you know, would get by. [02:51] forkbombe schestowitz-TR: well sure, but why point that wisdom my way? [02:51] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:51] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, One of the "news" outfits was writing about how the world needed the United States for "stability" and "peace". [02:52] DaemonFC Which is funny, because every time they poll people in any other country about who they think the biggest threat to world peace is, it's the United States. [02:52] TR News In terms of #debt the US is becoming #japan (maybe 100-hour work week soon?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_public_debt#/media/File:US_Federal_Debt_Held_By_Public_as_of_Sep._2020.png [02:52] TR Bot History of the United States public debt - Wikipedia [02:52] DaemonFC And it's not hard to see why. Who is always at war? Who is usually causing the war? [02:52] DaemonFC Who refuses to sign treaties on human rights and cluster bombs and nuclear test bans? [02:53] schestowitz-TR also land mines [02:53] DaemonFC Trump was gearing up to start testing nuclear weapons again. [02:53] DaemonFC At least that's what he said he'd do. [02:53] DaemonFC States aren't going to sign up to be nuked. [02:53] schestowitz-TR under Donald Biden J Joe Trump [02:53] DaemonFC Nobody is going to put up with that! [02:53] schestowitz-TR iirc, biden maintains that same policy [02:54] AdmFubar1 https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211229/08580848194/sci-hubs-creator-thinks-academic-publishers-not-her-site-are-real-threat-to-science-says-any-law-against-knowledge-is.shtml [02:54] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211229/08580848194/sci-hubs-creator-thinks-academic-publishers-not-her-site-are-real-threat-to-science-says-any-law-against-knowledge-is.shtml [02:54] TR Bot Creator Thinks Academic Publishers, Not Her Site, Are The Real Threat To Science, And Says: 'Any Law Against Knowledge Is Fundamentally Unjust' | Techdirt [02:54] DaemonFC The nuclear tests are unacceptable. [02:54] TR News NEWS #CarlSvensson #OpenHardware Decades of Fun: Computers Built to Last: The Amiga as "a computer built to last 50 years" https://www.datagubbe.se/30yearcomp/ [02:54] TR Bot of Fun: Computers Built to Last | datagubbe.se [02:54] DaemonFC He figures blow up a few nukes on Nevada or something. [02:54] DaemonFC "Own the libs!" [02:54] DaemonFC He would do that just for theater. [02:54] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: US usually tests it on some islands [02:54] schestowitz-TR in spite of their inhabitants [02:55] schestowitz-TR russia tosses these in distant and remote areas [02:55] schestowitz-TR which never will become inhabitable [02:55] schestowitz DaemonFC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Public_debt_percent_of_GDP.pdf [02:55] TR Bot File:Public debt percent of GDP.pdf - Wikipedia [02:55] schestowitz stops at 2016 [02:56] DaemonFC "We don't talk about that anymore." [02:57] TR News By some measures, US actually eclipsed 30 trillion in debt when #covid19 started https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Federal_State_and_Local_debt.webp meanwhile (2012): https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722 [02:57] TR Bot File:Federal State and Local debt.webp - Wikipedia [02:57] TR Bot rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | Reuters [02:57] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights [02:57] DaemonFC https://www.bostonfed.org/publications/public-policy-discussion-paper/2010/who-gains-and-who-loses-from-credit-card-payments-theory-and-calibrations.aspx [02:57] TR Bot Who Gains and Who Loses from Credit Card Payments? Theory and Calibrations - Federal Reserve Bank of Boston [02:57] TR News NEWS #Programming Increasing Bus Factor https://matt-rickard.com/reducing-bus-factor/ [02:57] Alternative link Cloudflare: matt-rickard.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://matt-rickard.com/reducing-bus-factor/ [02:57] TR Bot Increasing Bus Factor [02:57] TR News NEWS #RubenSchade #Programming Redundancy in IT isnt https://rubenerd.com/redundancy-in-it-isnt/ [02:57] TR Bot Redundancy in IT isnt [02:58] DaemonFC "On average, each cash-using household pays $149 to card-using households and each card-using household receives $1,133 from cash users every year. Because credit card spending and rewards are positively correlated with household income, the payment instrument transfer also induces a regressive transfer from low-income to high-income households in general. On average, and after accounting for rewards paid to households by banks, the [02:58] DaemonFC lowest-income household ($20,000 or less annually) pays $21 and the highest-income household ($150,000 or more annually) receives $750 every year." [02:59] DaemonFC It's a transfer payment from the poor to the rich. [02:59] DaemonFC If you use cash like Stallman says to, you lose money to these rich fucks who run around with rewards cards. [02:59] DaemonFC The more you spend, the more you lose to the people with the cards. ● Jan 04 [03:01] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@w4riy9batfvrn.irc) has joined #techrights [03:02] TR News US Federal, State & Local debt is at almost $32 trillion last year. That's significantly more than the total GDP, which very very obviously is faked anyway (the companies that's tied to are grossly overvalued to keep the #pyramidScheme afloat). For comparison, a year ago #uk national debt was 2,206.5 billion and we DO NOT claim to have (fake) trillion-dollar companies... [03:02] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: researching some numbers [03:02] schestowitz-TR US is in serious trauma [03:02] schestowitz-TR no wonder my sister sees so many homeless [03:02] schestowitz-TR you're the lucky onew [03:02] schestowitz-TR with sleeping bag in your home [03:03] schestowitz-TR to avoid energy bills north of $200 [03:04] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_public_debt [03:04] TR Bot Canadian public debt - Wikipedia [03:05] TR News "Canadian's debt held by foreign investors passed from 15% to 27% with a peak at 30% in 20122013. Even if growing, this level is still lower than or comparable to most G7 countries in 2013-2014 (France, 64%, Germany, 62%, United States, 48%, Italy, 33%, United Kingdom, 29%, and Japan, 8%)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_public_debt [03:06] schestowitz General Government Gross Debt, Percent of GDP [03:06] schestowitz Japan235.4254.1 [03:06] schestowitz Greece184.9211.2 [03:06] schestowitz Italy134.6155.8 [03:06] schestowitz Singapore129.0154.9 [03:06] schestowitz Portugal116.6135.2 [03:06] schestowitz United States108.5133.9 [03:06] schestowitz Spain95.5119.9 [03:06] schestowitz Canada86.8117.5 [03:07] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprisonment_for_debt_(Upper_Canada) [03:07] TR Bot Imprisonment for debt (Upper Canada) - Wikipedia [03:07] schestowitz the most pointless policy [03:07] schestowitz we'll put you in prison [03:07] schestowitz free food [03:07] schestowitz no contribution to society [03:07] schestowitz as punishment for being in debt [03:08] schestowitz "The number of debtors jailed was the result of both widespread poverty, and the small amounts for which debtors could be indefinitely detained." [03:08] schestowitz "The biggest difference between England and Upper Canada was that there was no separate jail for debtors in Upper Canada, leading to much worse conditions for jailed debtors. Insolvency laws were designed to protect creditors" [03:09] DaemonFC Canada has debt prisons? [03:09] schestowitz-TR not anymore [03:09] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprisonment_for_debt_(Upper_Canada)#/media/File:BankofUpperCanada.jpg [03:09] TR Bot Imprisonment for debt (Upper Canada) - Wikipedia [03:09] DaemonFC About all they can do here is annoy you about it, maybe sue you, possibly get something if you make more than about $2,000 a month. [03:10] DaemonFC That's why suing poor people is a dead end and any lawyer that's being honest will tell you to drop it. [03:10] DaemonFC Unless they hit the lottery, you're never getting any money. [03:14] schestowitz DaemonFC: tarpoline http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/The-Corona-Times/Roy-s-Birthdays/image-0-02-08-e4e7a46a5bac19d7d7ba97ede72015e43e21d13a02ba16a84148a03b3bab45bd-V [03:14] TR Bot image-0-02-08-e4e7a46a5bac19d7d7ba97ede72015e43e21d13a02ba16a84148a03b3bab45bd-V [03:14] schestowitz very typical there... [03:15] schestowitz DaemonFC: the media does a poor job covering these issue, if at all [03:16] schestowitz not too shockingly [03:16] schestowitz given its motivations [03:16] schestowitz marisol is dead fish [03:16] schestowitz even those cancel patients won't be able to pay [03:16] schestowitz the media blames corona [03:16] schestowitz as if the economies were rosy before that [03:17] schestowitz "|blame NATURE!" [03:17] schestowitz Trump: blame "CHOOOINA" [03:17] schestowitz Biden: blame TRUMP! 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[03:29] TR News NEWS #Gnu #GnuPG A New Future for GnuPG https://gnupg.org/blog/20220102-a-new-future-for-gnupg.html [03:29] TR Bot 20220102-a-new-future-for-gnupg [03:30] AdmFubar1 https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/cloud-misconfiguration-a-growing-cause-of-security-incidents.439475/ [03:30] Alternative link Cloudflare: wilderssecurity.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/cloud-misconfiguration-a-growing-cause-of-security-incidents.439475/ [03:30] TR Bot Cloud misconfiguration a growing cause of security incidents | Wilders Security Forums [03:31] TR News NEWS #Wired #Privacy #Surveillance How to Delete Your Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok https://www.wired.com/story/how-to-delete-your-facebook-instagram-twitter-snapchat/ [03:31] TR Bot to Delete Your Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok | WIRED [03:31] schestowitz-TR AdmFubar1: we are not good at sec, let's outsource to BigClownCompany [03:31] schestowitz-TR BigClownCompany: we'll blame the client [03:31] schestowitz-TR sec experts: BigClownCompany can't even do it right [03:32] schestowitz-TR finger-pointing by clowns [03:32] TR News NEWS #ExtremeTech #Privacy #Surveillance Turns Out People Really Are Using Apple AirTags to Track and Steal Cars https://www.extremetech.com/electronics/329853-turns-out-people-really-are-using-apple-airtags-to-track-and-steal-cars [03:32] TR Bot Out People Really Are Using Apple AirTags to Track and Steal Cars - ExtremeTech [03:32] TR News [Old] #Jalopnik #Privacy #Surveillance Another Driver Finds An #Apple #AirTag Tracking His Car's Location https://jalopnik.com/another-driver-finds-an-apple-airtag-tracking-his-cars-1848229984 [03:32] TR Bot Another Driver Finds An Apple AirTag Tracking His Location [03:33] TR News NEWS #JonUdell #Privacy #Surveillance The (appropriately) quantified self https://blog.jonudell.net/2022/01/02/the-appropriately-quantified-self/ [03:33] TR Bot The (appropriately) quantified self Jon Udell [03:33] TR News NEWS #NewYorkTimes #Privacy #Surveillance #FB A Former #Facebook Executive Pushes to Open Social Medias Black Boxes https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/02/business/media/crowdtangle-facebook-brandon-silverman.html [03:33] Alternative link Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/02/business/media/crowdtangle-facebook-brandon-silverman.html [03:33] TR Bot Founder of CrowdTangle Hopes to Bring Transparency to Social Media - The New York Times [03:38] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 8.78 k/sec., IPFS upstream 134.36 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.70 [03:38] IPFS QmbfkzNgEcSLWg1uktyXVKRqXdn8cURLS2BGZZ8j7BRu53 [03:38] IPFS New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above. [03:39] TR News #nhs #uk #covid19 data: sorry, today we publish deaths only for a quarter of reporting regions and mew cases for half of them. But not to worry, it's under control! Also: no data at all on hospitalisations since 27 December. The media fails to note this and paints a rosy picture. 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[03:48] Alternative link Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/technology/apple-3-trillion-market-value.html [03:48] TR Bot Apple Becomes First Company to Hit $3 Trillion Market Value - The New York Times [03:49] TR News [Old] #finance How Fortune 500 Companies Avoid Paying Income Tax https://www.investopedia.com/news/how-fortune-500-companies-avoid-paying-income-tax/ [03:49] TR Bot How Fortune 500 Companies Avoid Paying Income Tax [03:54] TR News NEWS #TeenVogue #socialcontrolmedia #twitter Marjorie Taylor Greene's Personal Twitter Suspended Over #COVID19 #Disinformation https://www.teenvogue.com/story/marjorie-taylor-greene-twitter-suspended http://techrights.org/2022/01/03/popularising-censorship/ [03:54] Alternative link Cloudflare: teenvogue.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.teenvogue.com/story/marjorie-taylor-greene-twitter-suspended [03:54] TR Bot Marjorie Taylor Greene's Personal Twitter Suspended Over COVID Disinformation | Teen Vogue [03:54] TR Bot Stop Cheering/Calling for Social Control Media Censorship, Quit Getting Information From It Instead | Techrights [03:54] TR News NEWS #Variety #socialcontrolmedia #twitter #MarjorieTaylorGreene Permanently Banned by Twitter https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-twitter-banned-covid-1235145900/ http://techrights.org/2022/01/03/popularising-censorship/ [03:54] Alternative link Cloudflare: variety.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-twitter-banned-covid-1235145900/ [03:54] TR Bot Taylor Greene Permanently Banned by Twitter - Variety [03:55] TR News NEWS #NewYorkTimes #socialcontrolmedia #twitter Twitter Permanently Suspends Marjorie Taylor Greenes Account https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/02/technology/marjorie-taylor-greene-twitter.html http://techrights.org/2022/01/03/popularising-censorship/ [03:55] Alternative link Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/02/technology/marjorie-taylor-greene-twitter.html [03:55] TR Bot Twitter Permanently Suspends Marjorie Taylor Greenes Account - The New York Times [03:56] TR News NEWS #Axios #socialcontrolmedia #twitter Marjorie Taylor Greene's Twitter account permanently suspended for #COVID19 #misinformation https://www.axios.com/twitter-permanently-suspends-marjorie-taylor-greene-98b24ac2-9932-4766-83a7-7d947889228f.html http://techrights.org/2022/01/03/popularising-censorship/ [03:56] Alternative link Cloudflare: axios.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.axios.com/twitter-permanently-suspends-marjorie-taylor-greene-98b24ac2-9932-4766-83a7-7d947889228f.html [03:56] TR Bot Taylor Greene suspended from Facebook for 24 hours - Axios [03:56] TR News NEWS #France24 #socialcontrolmedia #twitter Twitter blocks Republican congresswoman's account for #Covid19 claims https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20220103-twitter-blocks-republican-congresswoman-s-account-for-covid-claims "uses artificial intelligence... 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YOU ARE BANNED! http://techrights.org/2021/12/29/straw-man-censorship/ [03:59] TR Bot Criticising Microsoft and the OSI is COVID-19 Misinformation | Techrights [03:59] TR News #twitter : #billgates is not a bad man, he is our CLIENT! http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/ [03:59] TR Bot Reality is Warped When You Pay for Perception Management (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | Techrights ● Jan 04 [04:00] TR News NEWS #RollingStone #Disinformation #Misinformation Peter Navarro: Trump Distributed Bogus Election Fraud Research to Every Congressional Republican https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/peter-navarro-interview-jan-6-electoral-college-1277938/ [04:00] Alternative link Cloudflare: rollingstone.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/peter-navarro-interview-jan-6-electoral-college-1277938/ [04:00] TR Bot Peter Navarro Describes Trump-Backed Plan to Overturn Election Results - Rolling Stone [04:02] TR News NEWS #TheNation #wikileaks Extraditing Julian #Assange Threatens Journalists Worldwide https://www.thenation.com/article/society/assange-extradition-journalism/ [04:02] Alternative link Cloudflare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/society/assange-extradition-journalism/ [04:02] TR Bot Extraditing Julian Assange Threatens Journalists Worldwide | The Nation [04:05] DaemonFC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGLe0Wgfbyk [04:05] TR Bot Your Airbnb May Be ILLEGAL | Adam Ruins Everything - YouTube [04:07] DaemonFC "Guests with black-sounding names were 16% less likely to be approved for an Airbnb rental." [04:09] DaemonFC I ran into a sarcastic article the other day that was written by a black person. [04:09] DaemonFC Talking about how they bring the discrimination down on themselves by doing things like naming their children "whatever the fuck we want". [04:10] DaemonFC But the truth is if they were naming their kids Mike or Tom or Bob or Susan, they'd be getting more calls for a job interview and less crap if they applied for public assistance. [04:10] DaemonFC So names that don't "blend in" do call unwanted attention. [04:10] DaemonFC The Chinese have a saying that goes "the nail that sticks out gets pounded down". [04:10] DaemonFC Or something like that. [04:12] DaemonFC "Cities pass laws against turning apartments into Airbnb rentals, and Airbnb ignores those laws. 3 out of 4 Airbnb rentals in New York City are illegal." [04:13] DaemonFC We're a tech company! We are responsible for nothing! [04:14] TR News NEWS #AssociatedPress Court rules pot smell alone cant justify warrantless search https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-allentown-marijuana-3b807aebd7c423f060366902fd890814 [04:14] TR Bot Court rules pot smell alone can't justify warrantless search | AP News [04:14] TR News NEWS #pittsburgh Pa. Supreme Court Rules Smell Of Marijuana Alone Not Enough To Justify Warrantless Search https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/12/30/pennsylvania-supreme-court-marijuana-warrantless-search/ [04:14] TR Bot Pa. Supreme Court Rules Smell Of Marijuana Alone Not Enough To Justify Warrantless Search CBS Pittsburgh [04:15] TR News NEWS #Allentown Medical Marijuanas Legal Status In PA Changes How Cops Can Do Traffic Stops https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/12/30/marijuana-traffic-stops-pa-ruling/ [04:15] TR Bot Medical Marijuanas Legal Status In PA Changes How Cops Can Do Traffic Stops CBS Pittsburgh [04:15] TR News NEWS Pot smell alone cant justify warrantless search, Pa. court rules https://www.pennlive.com/news/2021/12/pot-smell-alone-cant-justify-warrantless-search-pa-court-rules.html [04:15] Alternative link Cloudflare: pennlive.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pennlive.com/news/2021/12/pot-smell-alone-cant-justify-warrantless-search-pa-court-rules.html [04:15] TR Bot smell alone cant justify warrantless search, Pa. court rules - pennlive.com [04:16] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, January 03, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:16] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [04:16] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:16] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:18] DaemonFC schestowitz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHU_KLYhibI [04:18] TR Bot Ruins Everything - Why Home Ownership is Actually a Terrible Investment - YouTube [04:20] DaemonFC MARISOL [04:20] schestowitz-TR she does not own a home [04:20] DaemonFC They're tied down to a house where the property taxes have more than tripled in the last twenty years. [04:20] schestowitz-TR the bank owns it [04:20] DaemonFC They probably didn't plan on their mortgage going up that much because the bank has to cut the county a check for the taxes! :) [04:21] schestowitz-TR bbl [04:21] DaemonFC They're paying for the out of control government more than we are because they stupidly bought a single family dwelling on some land that people can trip on and sue them. [04:22] DaemonFC Unlike me, they're not judgment proof. [04:22] DaemonFC Judgment proof isn't a legal term, it's just a term of fact. When someone is so poor that you could sue them but you'd never get a dime if you did. [04:23] DaemonFC The government had laws in place to make sure that people who lose a lawsuit have enough money to live and put some savings away. [04:23] DaemonFC So quite a lot of the population isn't worth suing because they make less than $22.50 an hour and they have less than $4,500 in a bank account. [04:24] DaemonFC And if you take them to a debtor's exam too many times, you could find yourself in contempt of court, for a lawsuit that you won. [04:24] DaemonFC How's them apples? :) [04:25] DaemonFC And the funny part is, in a debtor's exam, you can ask them if they have money somewhere else, but they can also lie to you. [04:25] DaemonFC Nobody and nothing gives you the right to invade and search. [04:26] DaemonFC So as long as they feel comfortable committing perjury (many people do), then you'll still never get anything. [04:27] DaemonFC Landlords even get frustrated suing former tenants and quit trying to attach to anything. [04:27] DaemonFC They don't like to admit how often that happens, but often they can win whatever lawsuit they want to file and still get nothing. [04:28] DaemonFC An ex of mine has owed a former landlord $4,652, since 2011. [04:28] DaemonFC Hasn't paid a cent. [04:29] DaemonFC Pretty much the threat of not paying your rent, if you're poor, is that you get evicted (eventually) and blackballed (eviction on credit report and court filings). [04:29] DaemonFC Not that you'll get sued and the landlord collects. [04:38] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 10.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 197.30 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.68 [04:41] *frankenstein has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:59] DaemonFC I've decided to complete my HPV vaccination series as well. [04:59] DaemonFC I have damned good insurance that covers all vaccines with a very small co-pay. [04:59] DaemonFC So I've been spending the last couple of years making sure I take full advantage of that, at least for everything that's common in the United States. ● Jan 04 [05:00] DaemonFC HPV is sexually transmitted, and I doubt I'd ever have to worry about it again, but it protects you for the rest of your life and it's $750 cash. [05:01] DaemonFC So if I lost my insurance I'd never be able to justify spending that out of pocket on the off chance I'd encounter it at some point in the next 50 years. [05:01] DaemonFC Insurance companies take you for every dime in premiums, so the way I figure it, get em. [05:01] DaemonFC If you need something done, do it now! [05:09] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [05:12] DaemonFC I'm probably going to be around for a while. The doctor says eat more salad, but salad and onions are what they're always recalling for salmonella and E. Coli. [05:13] DaemonFC If I eat onions, it's usually cooked onions, like liver and onions. [05:21] leah schestowitz-TR: btw, something which raises my eyebrows [05:21] leah http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159823?quicktabs_authors=0 [05:21] leah "GNU Libreboot" [05:21] TR Bot GNU Libreboot and GNU Translations (Especially Chinese) | Tux Machines [05:21] leah libreboot left the GNU project on September 15th, 2016. the reasons it did so were very bad, and i regret my actions back then but... [05:21] leah calling it "GNU Libreboot" in 2022 is factually incorrect [05:21] leah libreboot is not currently a part of gnu [05:22] leah although, libreboot complies with GNU policy and it is GNU in spirit [05:23] leah i actually asked rms several times, and gnueval, but never got a response, when re-applying for membership, so i gave up. the last attempt i made was during 2021 [05:25] leah rms himself even said so in january 2017, that libreboot is officially non-GNU [05:27] DaemonFC Many projects have left GNU, threatened to, or only stayed because they were given special permissions that don't normally apply. [05:28] DaemonFC I was watching Star Trek: Discovery recently, boredom, and Vulcan (Ni'Var) wanted back into the federation on the condition that it could leave whenever it wanted to. [05:28] DaemonFC Then the federation wouldn't allow it because "Then everyone would demand the same thing. We're not some organization you can benefit from whenever you feel like it and then leave on a whim!". [05:29] DaemonFC And the FSF, by granting this sort of thing so many times, they've made their foundation useless. [05:29] DaemonFC They've invited in toxic people who do not share their goals and objectives, who threaten them over things like the copyright assignment provision. [05:30] DaemonFC And now nobody will have to do it, and the best that we can hope for is that the US court system rules that the GPL is a contract with the end user and that by failing to perform, you are in breach of contract. [05:30] DaemonFC It's clumsy. It shouldn't be necessary, but here we are. [05:31] DaemonFC And as far back as 2009, *I* was arguing that the SFLC should "go there" because Samsung had been using Busybox in Blu Ray players and later switched to Toybox to avoid GPL lawsuits from them. [05:33] DaemonFC I was arguing that the GPL was like a contract between distributor and user back then because I knew that simply viewing it as a "license" would allow people to sabotage it by replacing only the bits that they knew would be litigated over, and using things like Linux, which has never been litigated over in many cases the GPL was designed to be used for (even the GPLv2!). [05:34] DaemonFC If it's a license, you need a copyright holder to get involved. [05:34] DaemonFC If it's like a contract, you only need someone who has received a copy of the software to get involved. [05:35] DaemonFC It's amazing that with thousands of contributors to Linux, none of them are interested in GPL compliance. [05:35] DaemonFC So arguing it under contract law can bring about a decision that puts these companies who want to do whatever the hell they want under notice. [05:36] DaemonFC What's going on in consumer hardware is a classic case of divide and conquer. [05:37] DaemonFC And that's what's going on at the FSF as well. You have all of these Cancel Stallman trolls because they figured it would be easier to push over with him gone. [05:37] DaemonFC And it's the same people who want Toybox so they can violate the GPL someplace else. [05:39] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 7.63 k/sec., IPFS upstream 194.36 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.65 [05:53] leah DaemonFC: fuck the federation [05:54] leah let planets be planets [05:54] leah the star trek version of "federation" isn't federated [05:54] leah it's a centralized political organisation run by bureaucrats [05:55] leah i should catch up on disco. i've only watched the first few episodes of the recent season [05:57] leah schestowitz-TR: DaemonFC: btw, i heard through the grape vine that the FSF has picked a new executive director [05:58] leah i don't know who, but they've picked one. they're probably making all the arrangements to bring that person in, set them up, etc. i expect that they will announce it by around the time of libreplanet 2022 [05:58] leah source: rms. i'm still in contact with him [05:58] leah i've been told that they have a new ed [05:59] leah DaemonFC: and gnu is useless in its current form. gnu as an organisation. they need totally new infrastructure [05:59] leah the current infrastructure is the main problem. savannah sucks [05:59] leah lots of projects set up their own infrastructure and everything else, so at that point, gnu is just a brand ● Jan 04 [06:29] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [06:31] *techrights_guest|1 (~470d22ae@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [06:32] *techrights_guest|1 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [06:35] *frankenstein (~frankenstein@t8w63u7y3jikq.irc) has joined #techrights [06:36] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.25 k/sec., IPFS upstream 123.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.62 ● Jan 04 [07:36] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.86 k/sec., IPFS upstream 155.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.60 [07:55] *x is now known as kingoffrance ● Jan 04 [08:07] TR News NEWS #TheEconomist #DigitalRestrictions #DRM Just how big in media does Apple want to be? 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[08:21] schestowitz [08:20] excellent, I will take a break from posting etc. [08:21] schestowitz [08:20] going down in ~30s [08:21] schestowitz [08:21] kk [08:22] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (connection closed) [08:22] *viera has quit (connection closed) [08:22] *Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). [08:29] schestowitz we can use this network for now [08:29] schestowitz it's logged as a fully working contingency, sans the bots [08:36] schestowitz "The EPO management is truly SICK (and sickening)," the reader said. "The EPO would also hire slaves or children in developing countries if they could. The important thing would be staff that are not in the Union, that don't ask questions. Just rubber stamp "granted". This office is shameless and odious." [08:36] schestowitz > [08:36] schestowitz > Happy New year, anyway. 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Want to downgrade to 10? You've got options | Computerworld [10:41] TR Bot Download Linux Mint 20.2 - Linux Mint [10:43] TR News The #Internet Heist (Part I). The early days of the war to control | by Cory Doctorow | Jan, 2022 | OneZero https://onezero.medium.com/the-internet-heist-part-i-3395769891b0 https://onezero.medium.com/the-internet-heist-part-i-3395769891b0 #onezero @ #medium blocked by #javascript [10:43] Alternative link Cloudflare: medium.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://onezero.medium.com/the-internet-heist-part-i-3395769891b0 [10:43] TR Bot The Internet Heist (Part I). The early days of the war to control | by Cory Doctorow | Jan, 2022 | OneZero [10:46] TR News Well, @doctorow should know better than to choose a medium pardon the pun -- that requires nonfree #javascript https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/107559510356998125 [10:46] TR Bot Cory Doctorow's linkblog: "If you're a Medium subscriber, you can read these" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media Fdr [10:49] coodre__ i like how the new windows 11 device article suggests installing 3rd party tools to make it bearable, suggests how much microsoft fucked it up [10:52] TR News AG Racine Files Brief Supporting Effort to Hold #Facebook Accountable For Falsely Claiming to Remove #HateSpeech From Its Platform https://oag.dc.gov/release/ag-racine-files-brief-supporting-effort-hold #oag [10:52] TR Bot AG Racine Files Brief Supporting Effort to Hold Facebook Accountable For Falsely Claiming to Remove Hate Speech From Its Platform ● Jan 04 [11:01] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@pnkbp7tj53cv8.irc) has joined #techrights [11:04] DaemonFC MakeUseOf was talking about things that can slow down your USB transfers on Windows, and mentioned Defender. [11:04] DaemonFC I commented: [11:05] DaemonFC "1. Turn Off Windows Security" Theater [11:05] DaemonFC Fixed that for you. [11:05] DaemonFC Microsoft Pretender: "Red alert! Open Source Software detected" Also Microsoft Pretender: "This Ransomware is fine!". [11:05] DaemonFC Unfortunately for the shrinking number of Windows users (it's the new Internet Explorer), the piece of crap is used so much that the makers of free antivirus that actually works (BitDefender) are starting to pull up the stakes and go paid-only. [11:05] DaemonFC --- [11:05] DaemonFC And why shouldn't they want a lot of money for antivirus software that can actually work? [11:05] coodre__ microsoft "defender" is simply a tool of censorship, just use common sense 2022, it's preinstalled in your brain [11:06] DaemonFC It's not a labor of love. It's not something where open source would come in and pay the bills or keep the lights on, and why would you secure this goddamned mess for free? [11:06] TR News What is CloudReady? Is it a Viable Alternative to Chrome OS? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159868 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:06] TR Bot What is CloudReady? Is it a Viable Alternative to Chrome OS? | Tux Machines [11:06] TR News 5 Hot Free and Open Source Ruby Application Servers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159869 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:06] TR Bot 5 Hot Free and Open Source Ruby Application Servers | Tux Machines [11:07] DaemonFC Windows 11 isn't doing any better than Windows 10 so far for blocking malware. What they have done is slowed the system down 28% (for gaming, at least, probably other stuff) by running some extremely poorly designed parts of the OS in a Virtual Machine (which also blocks VirtualBox from working properly). [11:08] DaemonFC Windows is not a paragon of good design, but there are some parts that are exceptionally bad, extremely WTF, like the whole concept of svchost. [11:08] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@dtke7yacrcuju.irc) has joined #techrights [11:08] TR News "relayor v22.0.0-rc has been released with MetricsPort (prometheus) support improvements and support for the new tor alpha debian repositories shipping tor 0.4.7.x." https://mastodon.social/@nusenu/107560995473287787 #deletegithub [11:08] TR Bot nusenu: "relayor v22.0.0-rc has been released with Metrics" - Mastodon [11:09] DaemonFC If they had designed Windows NT to be robust instead of looking to save a few kilobytes of RAM in the 90s at the cost of creating a gigantic mess for Windows for all time.....svchost would never exist. [11:09] TR News #socialcontrolmedia is poison https://freeradical.zone/@thenewoil/107559364015356336 [11:09] TR Bot The New Oil: "How to Delete Your Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, " - Free Radical [11:09] DaemonFC They would have made creating and destroying processes a lot faster and they would have never created so many system services that are utterly useless or impossible to secure, or both. [11:11] *tech_exorcist_ (~tech_exorcist@2zdzcjxwqkqn2.irc) has joined #techrights [11:11] *tech_exorcist has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:13] DaemonFC WGN posted about so many people leaving Illinois. [11:13] DaemonFC 120,000+ last year, net. [11:13] DaemonFC I said: [11:13] DaemonFC In Illinois, $50,000 is a 10% down payment on a house (where the county will proceed to eat you alive for property taxes). [11:13] DaemonFC In many parts of Indiana, $50,000 _is_ a house (with $500 a YEAR property taxes). [11:13] DaemonFC This is your brain. *egg* This is your brain on the Gimmedat Party of Illinois *smack*. Any questions? [11:14] DaemonFC Democrats: Hey, why don't any of these people have houses? Pritzker: OM NOM NOM COOOOOKIE!!!! [11:14] DaemonFC I don't know what slows our governor down worse. The lard in his ass or the shit in his brains. [11:17] *tech_exorcist_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:20] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/pritzker-expanding-vaccine-clinics-testing-sites-as-omicron-cases-skyrocket/ [11:20] TR Bot Pritzker expanding vaccine clinics, testing sites as omicron cases skyrocket | WGN-TV [11:20] DaemonFC Me: Oh good, the 400 pound health expert is back. What does he have to say this time? [11:20] DaemonFC That if people are having trouble staying employed under his dictatorship that they should try being born into a hotel fortune because it really helps their fiscal outlook?" [11:22] DaemonFC WGN: Our European visitors are important. [11:22] DaemonFC Also WGN: That's why we still don't comply with the GDPR. [11:23] TR News The EPOs Race to the Bottom Part I From Bad to Worse Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/01/04/epo-from-bad-to-worse/ #Techrights #EPO #corruption #europe #patents | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/01/04/epo-from-bad-to-worse/ [11:23] TR Bot The EPOs Race to the Bottom Part I From Bad to Worse | Techrights [11:24] TR News #Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159870 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:24] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [11:26] *hvxgr has quit (*.net *.split) [11:26] *ohama has quit (*.net *.split) [11:26] *sbp has quit (*.net *.split) [11:26] *hvxgr (~wl2v_usrn@joseon-ong.pov.c33bnd.IP) has joined #techrights [11:26] *ohama (ohama@joseon-0df.kav.vc6dkt.IP) has joined #techrights [11:26] *sbp (~sbp@joseon-1m86vc.cfhm.haf7.0u8u7u.IP) has joined #techrights [11:29] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@f9yn3s5rpa8c4.irc) has joined #techrights [11:30] TR News "I also note that the #LinuxFoundation doesn't appear to have a presence in the #Fediverse or on any open platforms, instead choosing only to use the centralised proprietary technologies of their board members' employers." https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/107556525021843235 http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation [11:30] TR Bot Dave Lane: "I also note that the Linux Foundation doesn't app" - Mastodon - NZOSS [11:30] TR Bot Linux Foundation - Techrights [11:32] TR News "Leak: I guess the #EU will push for indiscriminate #dataretention of IP addresses by ISPs and OTT communications services, and outlawing anonymous communications via prepaid cards and possibly messaging services:" https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/107558701920762252 [11:32] TR Bot Breyer: " Leak: I guess the EU will push for indiscrimin" - chaos.social [11:33] TR News These are the wishes of the #EU countries for data retention https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/vorratsdatenspeicherung-internes-papier-zeigt-was-sich-die-eu-staaten-wuenschen-a-8ba7be94-2ecd-41d5-8ae4-aad12a7b1325 [11:33] TR Bot Vorratsdatenspeicherung: Internes Papier zeigt, was sich die EU-Staaten wnschen - DER SPIEGEL [11:34] TR News Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159871 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:34] TR Bot Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [11:34] TR News #linuxfoundation as a collective of frauds and imposters. "Most of them use MacOS over Linux, can't say i'm surprised they don't use Mastodon." http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation [11:35] coodre__ but linus uses macos too [11:36] TR News "the Linux Foundation... doesn't have much to do with Linux. Some of what it does is possibly worthwhile, but its annual report is woefully obscure, opaque, and a lot of it seems to actively relegate Linux to the fringe." https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/107556525021843235 http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation [11:36] schestowitz-TR coodre__: source? [11:36] TR News "Just looking for the annual report on their website, but don't see it. I do see, however, that just about all of their 'board' is made up of representatives from the Big 5 (and former big, e.g. IBM and VMWare) Tech firms. That explains plenty." https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/107556525021843235 http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation [11:37] psydroid4 I use macs too [11:37] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 7.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 69.11 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.51 [11:37] psydroid4 they just run GNU/Linux [11:37] schestowitz-TR yeah, but not macOS [11:37] coodre__ nah i'm wrong, he just uses gnu/linux on mac [11:37] psydroid4 because macOS dies when you boot it up [11:37] DaemonFC The Linux Foundation report leaves you just as well off as had you not even wasted your time trying to read it. It goes on forever and it says nothing. [11:38] psydroid4 which it actually did on those old Powermac G4 machines [11:38] TR News Today we start a series which takes a closer look at why EPO staff is so displeased and why the brain drain this entails will likely doom the #EPO and harm #Europe financially, not just morally Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/01/04/epo-from-bad-to-worse/ #Techrights #patents #corruption | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/01/04/epo-from-bad-to-worse/ [11:38] DaemonFC Except a bunch of blurbs about how they coincidentally want to do a lot of non-Linux things that square up with what Bill Gates is investing in. [11:39] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/09/24/spamnil-zdnet-lf-greenwashing-microsoft/ [11:39] TR Bot [Meme] Linux Foundation is Greenwashing Microsoft Again, Misusing the Linux Brand Like Nobodys Business | Techrights [11:39] DaemonFC The biggest bullshit word continues to be "AI". [11:41] DaemonFC We're not on the verge of an emergent artificial consciousness anymore than James Cook was on the verge of landing on the moon. [11:41] DaemonFC We may _start_ to see something approaching that by the end of my lifetime if I live another 50 years. [11:41] DaemonFC In tech terms, that's centuries from now. [11:42] DaemonFC No matter how good something like this gets, it still won't think like a human does. [11:42] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: reinstalling hexchat) [11:43] DaemonFC Humans have biological imperatives, an urge to reproduce, self-preservation, instinctive behavior, non-verbal cues, even mental illness (which causes some to be good artists). [11:43] DaemonFC A machine will never have the ability to "feel" some way about something. [11:44] DaemonFC So it can't have a conscience. [11:44] *x is now known as kingoffrance [11:44] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@d3u7abs8yy2fu.irc) has joined #techrights [11:45] DaemonFC The Terminator and Terminator 2 have the best example of what I think Strong AI will look like at some point in the future. It'll be a military project. Why would the military put down a commandment against killing people or want a machine to learn on its own and decide not to obey? [11:45] DaemonFC So we'd get a mindless intelligence. [11:46] kingoffrance ^ [11:46] DaemonFC In T2, it was shown that the T-800 could adapt to mimic humans, given enough time and with a "learning program" active, but this was only so it could go deep undercover without arousing suspicion and then kill a target once it was inside. [11:46] kingoffrance im not so worried about some superhuman AI taking over. rather, people getting ushered into some idiotic AI that makes everyone dumber [11:47] tech_exorcist a superhuman AI would/could be stopped or harmed by a strong electromagnetic pulse, I suppose? [11:47] DaemonFC Well, a "caretaker AI" is probably worse, and more likely, than something like Skynet. [11:47] DaemonFC One that sees to our needs, and we eventually forget how it works and just go on for generations, incapable of doing things without it. [11:47] DaemonFC Like Logan's Run. [11:48] tech_exorcist we do know how to generate EMPs, just look at the stuff in YouTube videos and scale those things up [11:48] tech_exorcist (yes, it's YT, I know) [11:48] DaemonFC If the AI knows our needs and can operate and build and repair drone workers, then people can afford to "relax" and then in a few generations nobody knows how it works. [11:48] DaemonFC Everything is on autopilot. [11:49] DaemonFC Humanity is finished as a species that "grows" in any meaningful way. [11:49] tech_exorcist "incapable of doing things without it" I'd say we're almost at that point now, even without super AIs: what would the average Joe do without Internet access today? [11:50] DaemonFC Right, but that's because the government and big business demand things be done that way. [11:50] kingoffrance ^ [11:50] kingoffrance not everyone average joe. how much software is useless without internet? [11:50] DaemonFC You're in contempt of court. You don't have a computer with internet access and the judge barred the door, so LOL. [11:50] kingoffrance *not even [11:50] DaemonFC See ya in 30 days! [11:50] kingoffrance yep [11:50] kingoffrance cell phones too [11:51] DaemonFC Court is in contempt of you. [11:51] tech_exorcist my school relies on G Shit for Education (pun on the pronounciation of "Suite") [11:51] kingoffrance lol [11:51] DaemonFC But that just brings it into line with the rest of the state. [11:51] DaemonFC I don't have anything to do with my government. [11:51] tech_exorcist anyone speaks Italian here? https://innovazione.gov.it the Italian "Ministry of Technological Innovation and Digital Transition", whatever it means [11:51] Alternative link Cloudflare: innovazione.gov.it | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://innovazione.gov.it [11:51] TR Bot Ministro innovazione tecnologica e transizione digitale [11:51] tech_exorcist full of javascript of course [11:52] DaemonFC I'm one of the 97% of the people in this state that have no control over it whatsoever, not even the slightest bit, can't even choose my "representatives". [11:52] tech_exorcist DaemonFC: USA? [11:52] DaemonFC Yeah, I go "vote" and most of my ballot is blank or write-ins that are just random people or fictional characters or something. [11:53] DaemonFC Because there's nobody to vote for. [11:53] tech_exorcist I see [11:53] tech_exorcist I live in Italy and I'm too young to vote [11:53] kingoffrance saw this the other day: http://numerical.recipes/oldverswitcher.html EB 11th ed.Encyclopaedia Britannica the great 11th Edition (1911) free, in our bookreader format still has to go online to read it [11:53] TR Bot Numerical Recipes Books On-Line [11:53] DaemonFC The Democrats will get a supermajority in the Illinois legislature no matter who goes to vote. [11:53] DaemonFC No matter what they want. [11:54] DaemonFC There's like 118 Representatives in the state house, and it could go +/- 3-4 of them either way. [11:54] DaemonFC And that's the only influence the people living here have. [11:54] kingoffrance looks like it is many smaller PDFs though [11:54] DaemonFC So the Democrats go on and on passing whatever they want. Life gets worse. [11:55] DaemonFC Living here becomes more and more unbearable due to crime, poverty, and high rents. [11:55] tech_exorcist dunno if I already said this here, but I was thinking of a theoretical relay computer capable of computing modern cryptography algorithms like those with elliptic curves [11:55] DaemonFC Every time they pass a law that's supposed to reduce poverty or "address racial justice", crime and poverty go up. [11:56] DaemonFC Because when they say "address racial injustice", what they actually mean is dump out a lot of people who were in prison for good reasons. [11:56] DaemonFC So they can go live near you. [11:56] DaemonFC While the government officials surround themselves with the remaining cops like an army. [11:57] DaemonFC Lori Lightfoot, Mayor of Chicago, has presided over a 400% increase in violent crime and 1,000% increase in carjackings at gunpoint. [11:57] DaemonFC But she herself is in no danger. [11:58] DaemonFC Even though the city has lost over 2,200 police officers since 2019, she's got a round-the-clock security detail and they've blocked off her entire street and they arrest anyone who pickets her. [11:59] DaemonFC Her latest edict will cause many more people to go unemployed and homeless (or fleeing the city with whatever they can carry). [11:59] DaemonFC The vaccine mandates went ahead even though people won't comply with them to go out to spend money at places covered by the mandate. [11:59] DaemonFC And meanwhile, vaccinated people are spreading it to each other. ● Jan 04 [12:00] DaemonFC With an R0 of 3 between vaccinated people. [12:00] DaemonFC That's terrible! [12:00] tech_exorcist that's because the vaccine is less effective against variants, isn't it? [12:00] DaemonFC For comparison, when you have something like seasonal flu, and one person gets it, they give it to between 0.8 and 1.2 other people. [12:00] DaemonFC that's because the vaccine is less effective against variants, isn't it? [12:01] tech_exorcist could you give sources for both covid and seasonal flu? [12:01] tech_exorcist I mean [12:01] DaemonFC It is rapidly losing its effectiveness because the spike protein changes all the time. [12:01] tech_exorcist sources for that data [12:01] DaemonFC Well, COVID is more contagious among two unvaccinated people. [12:01] tech_exorcist re spike protein: I see [12:01] DaemonFC Without a vaccine it would just blow through the US in a matter of 3-4 months now. [12:01] DaemonFC Almost everyone would be sick at once. [12:01] DaemonFC Lots of dead people piling up who couldn't get into the hospital. [12:01] *leah has quit (connection closed) [12:02] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [12:02] DaemonFC I recall hearing that R0 of Delta COVID was something like 15. [12:02] DaemonFC Which is worse than Measles was before there was a Measles vaccine. [12:02] tech_exorcist ! [12:02] DaemonFC But even if everyone got the COVID vaccine, it would still be many times more contagious than the flu. [12:03] DaemonFC Most people didn't even get a Chickenpox vaccine when I was a child. [12:04] DaemonFC It was expected you'd get Chickenpox and it would be better to have it as a child, because it was worse as an adult, and people would deliberately try to infect their kids with it at a young age because of that. [12:04] DaemonFC Then they'd show up with it at school, and that's how I got it. [12:04] DaemonFC Catholic school, 2nd grade. [12:05] DaemonFC I remember it pretty well. [12:05] DaemonFC The itching. It was awful. I was taking "oatmeal baths". [12:06] DaemonFC A lot of the reason we have a need for Shingles Vaccine today is because kids get the Chickenpox vaccine now. [12:06] DaemonFC So you aren't constantly being exposed to it anymore. [12:07] DaemonFC Being around people who had the Chickenpox every so often led to reduced rates of adult Shingles, even without a Shingles vaccine. [12:07] DaemonFC Because being exposed to the Chickenpox once in a while had a protective effect. [12:07] DaemonFC It caused a level of herd immunity to Shingles that doesn't exist anymore. [12:07] *leah has quit (connection closed) [12:07] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [12:07] DaemonFC The Shingles vaccine is pretty awful to go through, I hear. [12:08] DaemonFC I'm kind of on the fence about whether I'll take it or not when I'm 50. [12:11] psydroid4 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Ryzen-6000-Pluton [12:11] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Ryzen-6000-Pluton [12:11] TR Bot Ryzen 6000 Series Mobile CPUs Feature Microsoft's Pluton Security - Phoronix [12:11] psydroid4 AMD, Intel and Qualcomm chips are for Windows computers, not for GNU/Linux and other free operating systems [12:12] DaemonFC AMD and Intel CPUs are more likely to work. [12:12] tech_exorcist where's altlink_b51's source code? [12:12] Alternative link https://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/issues/215 [12:13] DaemonFC ARM is a mess of "Secure" boot and odd hardware with no open surce drivers. [12:13] DaemonFC So now you have a whole heap of problems. [12:13] tech_exorcist what the hell is https://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/issues/215 ? [12:13] TR Bot #215 - where's 's source code? - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of tea [12:14] DaemonFC At least with "Secure" boot you can turn it off or someone can find a bug and free the hardware sold with it, which is a bad enough issue to deal with, but there are so many bugs in uEFI that we'll be plumbing the depths of this forever. [12:14] DaemonFC There's probably decades worth of bugs in uEFI now that could be used to completely bypass "Secure" boot. [12:14] DaemonFC We've already had a decade of them and it shows no sign of slowing down. [12:15] DaemonFC In many cases, even if vendors do patch it, they're sloppy and there's bugs in the bugs patches. [12:15] DaemonFC It's exactly like Microsoft. [12:16] tech_exorcist am I the only one here who thinks we should just keep computers (not the current architectures though) for math, cryptography and maybe communication, and use "older" things, such as good old paper, for things we usually do with computers today? [12:16] DaemonFC Intel just keeps releasing CVEs for the motherboard in this laptop and it's not like I'm going to install Windows on it again to update and then find out there are 12 more the next month. [12:16] tech_exorcist a big problem with paper is the materials needed to make it [12:16] psydroid4 I use plenty of pen and paper for things that are more convenient to do without a computer [12:17] DaemonFC Cryptography without a computer was pretty intricate if the person doing it was intelligent enough. [12:17] tech_exorcist I have a mechanical typewriter, when I have to do a lot of writing at home for school I use that [12:17] tech_exorcist actually, I *do* have a lot of writing to do for school, so I guess I'll use that today [12:17] DaemonFC The Zodiac Killer (probably accidentally) created a cipher that held up for over 50 years that nobody could have solved for when he made it. [12:18] tech_exorcist otherwise I just use a pen [12:18] psydroid4 I used to have a mechanical typewriter and an electric one, but I haven't used those in ages [12:18] *phobos has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [12:18] tech_exorcist DaemonFC: oh, right [12:19] DaemonFC If you make a cipher that strong today it will take a year or so of brute force with a specialized program. [12:19] tech_exorcist :( [12:19] DaemonFC So, as computers get faster, you need a faster computer to handle stronger cryptography. [12:19] tech_exorcist 4096bit ECC [12:19] tech_exorcist you'd need thousands of relays to implement that in a relay computer though [12:20] DaemonFC The Zodiac was criticized for misspellings and poor grammar and not using punctuation. [12:20] DaemonFC But I think it was deliberate. [12:20] DaemonFC Someone smart enough to create a cipher like that certainly was no fool. [12:21] DaemonFC Doing this inserted doubt into possible solutions and made the cipher harder to crack. [12:21] tech_exorcist makes sense [12:22] DaemonFC Who is going to go looking for "paradise" spelled "paradice", for example. [12:22] tech_exorcist that spelling reminded me that I need to look for physical dice [12:22] tech_exorcist I need to make 2 PGP keypairs [12:23] MinceR 04 051050 < DaemonFC> The Chinese have a saying that goes "the nail that sticks out gets pounded down". [12:23] MinceR but also "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" :> [12:23] DaemonFC Yeah, aphorisms are funny like that. [12:24] MinceR lol systemd [12:24] MinceR 04 123746 < coodre__> nah i'm wrong, he just uses gnu/linux on mac [12:24] MinceR he probably uses systemd/Linux [12:25] tech_exorcist then is Devuan sysvinit/Linux? [12:25] tech_exorcist oh, nvm [12:25] tech_exorcist I forgot for a moment that systemd coudl almost be considered an operating system by itself [12:25] tech_exorcist I use Devuan with sysvinit [12:26] coodre__ i'm glad systemd disregarded the unix philosophy, so it can be an entire operating system. all it needs is a kernel [12:27] MinceR it's a pity that systemd still relies on a kernel outside itself [12:27] MinceR i hope they hurry up and turn Linux into systemd-kerneld [12:27] tech_exorcist the reason I'm not using OpenBSD is the lack of official support for Tor Browser [12:27] MinceR letting the user choose is not "modern" [12:28] tech_exorcist choose what? [12:28] MinceR something else to run on Linux [12:28] tech_exorcist I see [12:29] MinceR there's a tor-browser package for openbsd [12:30] DaemonFC https://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/local-golden-corral-owner-murdered-teen-in-1991-investigators-say/article_e52e7d8b-0398-59c7-9d1b-c86e1d8a803d.html [12:30] TR Bot Golden Corral owner murdered teen in 1991, investigators say | Northwest Indiana Business Headlines | nwitimes.com [12:31] DaemonFC Oh that's nice. The police had enough to get a search warrant in 1991, and didn't, even though they would have found the murder weapon and bloody clothes that matched the victim's DNA. [12:31] DaemonFC Then they wait 30 years to arrest him. [12:31] DaemonFC Nice job, Detective Dipshit. [12:31] MinceR did you expect the police to do its job? :> [12:32] MinceR s/j/own j/ [12:32] DaemonFC Hey, why don't you wait another 30 years and he can be as old as all those Nazi prison guards they finally extradited in the 2010s? [12:32] DaemonFC :) [12:32] tech_exorcist MinceR: re TB: yes, but afaik it's not developed by the Tor Project team [12:32] DaemonFC did you expect the police to do its job? :> [12:32] DaemonFC No, too busy out trying to pull me over for going 31 in a 30 mph zone. [12:32] DaemonFC Happened.... [12:32] MinceR tech_exorcist: so what? [12:33] MinceR DaemonFC: lol [12:33] MinceR "our rules are very strict!" [12:33] DaemonFC Brownsburg, Indiana.... [12:33] DaemonFC 2004. [12:33] tech_exorcist MinceR: so I don't know if it's as trustworthy [12:33] DaemonFC It turned out to be a fishing expedition. [12:33] DaemonFC The cops asked if I had been drinking and wanted to check my car. [12:33] MinceR tech_exorcist: how trustworthy is it anyway? it's built on failfox. [12:34] DaemonFC I told them "Just this Pepsi, and no you may not search my car.". [12:34] DaemonFC So they ran my license for warrants, didn't find any, and let me go. [12:34] tech_exorcist well yeah, but I trust the Tor Project devs more [12:34] DaemonFC 31 in a 30 is a very weak accusation. [12:35] DaemonFC Too weak to hold up in court, but enough for a pretextual stop in Indiana. [12:35] MinceR tech_exorcist: you don't trust the people who maintain the OS you're running? [12:35] MinceR it's equivalent to a distro package [12:35] tech_exorcist MinceR: I'm running Devuan [12:35] DaemonFC Even if you're going 1 mph under the speed limit, they can always get you for something else if they follow you long enough. [12:36] DaemonFC Sooner or later, you'll forget to use your turn signal or something. Many people will not have every single required light working on their car... Some people aren't wearing their seatbelt. [12:36] MinceR tech_exorcist: i see, devuan has no tor-browser package. but if it did, you wouldn't trust it? [12:36] DaemonFC If you're going to break a major law, don't break any minor ones that will get you pulled over. [12:36] tech_exorcist MinceR: if it did, I guess I would [12:37] DaemonFC Half the time the police find drugs in a car, they stopped the car because of seatbelts, speed, turn signals, or headlamps/taillights. [12:37] MinceR DaemonFC: i thought seatbelts weren't required in the USA [12:37] MinceR tech_exorcist: the openbsd package is equivalent to that [12:37] DaemonFC It's up to the state how to handle it. [12:37] MinceR though it would probably have more patches [12:37] DaemonFC In Indiana, it's a $20 ticket. In Illinois, can be $300. [12:37] MinceR for sandboxing and whatever [12:37] DaemonFC In some states, they can't pull you over if the seatbelt violation is the only thing. [12:37] tech_exorcist MinceR: yes, but it's not been *ported* to OpenBSD by the Tor Project developers [12:37] DaemonFC In most, they can. [12:39] MinceR DaemonFC: do airbags in cars sold in the US also rely on your seatbelt being worn? [12:39] DaemonFC In most states, there's no law against radar detectors. [12:39] DaemonFC In Virginia, it's a crime. [12:39] DaemonFC (and they have detector detectors!) [12:39] MinceR :> [12:39] MinceR who detects the detectors? [12:39] DaemonFC In Indiana, you can't have anything on your windshield, including a radar detector, but it's a fine. [12:40] DaemonFC In Illinois, there's no law against radar detectors or having it mounted on your windshield. [12:40] MinceR what if your rear view mirror is mounted on the windshield? [12:40] MinceR some car manufacturers like to just glue it there [12:40] DaemonFC The law covers things that drivers mount on the window that obstruct heir view. [12:40] MinceR ic [12:40] DaemonFC Which can be a pair of fuzzy dice hanging from the rear view mirror. [12:41] DaemonFC Which, again, is perfectly legal in Illinois, but not Indiana. [12:41] MinceR maybe it can still be mounted on the dashboard [12:41] DaemonFC In Illinois, you don't need to have your vehicle registration. [12:41] DaemonFC In Indiana, it's a citation with a fine. [12:41] DaemonFC In Indiana you can get a ticket for going too fast and too slow, at the same time. [12:42] MinceR lol [12:42] MinceR your speed should be a complex number, i guess [12:42] DaemonFC You were speeding, but other cars want to overtake you and can't because you're speeding in the left lane at a slower pace than they want to go. [12:42] DaemonFC So you get a speeding ticket and a left-lane hog ticket. [12:42] DaemonFC Illinois recently passed this too. [12:43] DaemonFC In Indiana, not moving over for a fire truck, cop, or ambulance with lights and siren on is a big fine. In Illinois, it's a criminal offense and you can go to jail. [12:44] DaemonFC Indiana has points for every citation offense, in Illinois they just consider every such offense to be the same and you lose your license if you get 3 in a rolling 12 month period (2 if you're under 21). [12:45] DaemonFC So in Illinois, speeding 14 mph or less and a conviction is the same thing as running a red light, but in Indiana the first one is 4 points while the red light is 2 points. [12:46] DaemonFC Indiana has laws about sharing the road with people on a horse and buggy, because of the Amish. [12:46] DaemonFC In Illinois, it's illegal to be on the road in a horse and buggy. [12:47] DaemonFC Indiana drivers licenses expire every 7 years if you're under 70. [12:47] DaemonFC In Illinois they expire every 4 years. [12:48] DaemonFC In Illinois, you can get a medical marijuana card, but it shows up in the police computer if you get pulled over so they know to harass you. [12:48] DaemonFC If you pay taxes on the marijuana the police don't know you've ever bought any. [12:48] DaemonFC It's not hard to get a medical card. [12:49] DaemonFC If you have a household member who doesn't drive anyway, you could get them to get a medical card and buy your weed for you so there's no taxes and you're not in the computer. It's illegal, but as long as nobody runs their mouth, it's also impossible to prove. [12:50] DaemonFC Divorce lawyers eat medical marijuana card holders for breakfast. [12:50] DaemonFC "He can't have the kids, your honor....he smokes MARIJUANA!" [12:51] DaemonFC It's the second best way to keep your ex from ever seeing their kids aside from uncovering a trove of CP or something. [12:51] DaemonFC Even though marijuana is legal. [12:51] schestowitz MARISOLANA [12:52] DaemonFC MARISOL was asking my opinion of medical marijuana. [12:52] DaemonFC She said "I have patients who use it. What's your opinion of that?". [12:53] DaemonFC So I said, "Well, I don't use it, but if they have a medical need for it, like they're in pain and dying or something, I think it would be cruel and unethical not to give them some if that's what helps them. Besides, it's their right to do that in this state at that point anyway, so my opinion doesn't really matter." [12:54] DaemonFC I think she was trying to bait me into saying something. [12:55] DaemonFC I didn't mention the part where I voted to decriminalize it in Chicago. [12:56] DaemonFC The police were whining that they would lose a "valuable tool" to obtain search warrants where they would uncover other crimes. [12:56] DaemonFC In otherwords "We're too lazy and stupid to do actual police work. If we lose the 'I smell pot.' line, we're fucked!". [12:57] DaemonFC But even as a legal substance, they manage to arrest and kill black people for having it. [12:57] DaemonFC So I knew they'd think of something. :) [12:58] *guysoft42 (~guysoft@2a0d:6fc1:2:1f00:5acf:ffb4:259b:9437) has joined #techrights [12:58] *guysoft42 (~guysoft@joseon-tnl.ca8.j43kjd.IP) has joined #techrights [12:58] DaemonFC Most people who do little shit don't really have to worry about criminal prosecution too much. [12:58] TR News What #canonical is trying to sell https://ubuntu.com//blog/deploy-and-maintain-applications-with-charmed-operators [12:58] Alternative link Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/deploy-and-maintain-applications-with-charmed-operators [12:58] TR Bot and maintain applications with Charmed Operators | Ubuntu [12:58] DaemonFC The US Attorney's office can't handle the street gangs with the machine guns. [12:59] DaemonFC They're not going to open a case for you forgetting $5 in bank interest on a tax return. [12:59] DaemonFC Although it's better to do things the right way to avoid giving them an opening. ● Jan 04 [13:00] TR News #phoronix again covering #microsoft news with no connection to #linux [13:01] schestowitz-TR sort of replying to psydroid4 here, too^ [13:01] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@6pxtd49npuduw.irc) has joined #techrights [13:02] DaemonFC https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/12/12/how-buffets-make-money.aspx [13:02] Alternative link Cloudflare: fool.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/12/12/how-buffets-make-money.aspx [13:02] TR Bot Obvious and 4 Not So Obvious Ways Buffets Make Money | The Motley Fool [13:02] DaemonFC "Pricier items on the buffet line like meat or fish are cut into smaller pieces. Rationally, a person would just take two pieces instead of one. But in reality, a diner is more likely to follow society's unwritten rule, taking a single smaller piece and moving on down the line." [13:02] DaemonFC No, I just stack them until I have as much as I want. [13:03] DaemonFC They have these little strips of cod, but if you stack it 4 high, you use up the same amount of room on a plate and you get an entire filet's worth of fish. [13:03] schestowitz https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/what-are-amd-cpus-on-windows-11/ [13:03] TR Bot What are AMD CPUs on Windows 11? [13:04] DaemonFC They do the same with the meatloaf. They take one slice and turn it into 4 miniature ones, so if you just stack them, you get a full slice eventually. [13:04] DaemonFC I always tell Mandy "Stay away from the rice. I'm not paying for a restaurant meal so they can fill us up on rice.". [13:05] TR News #France loves open source so much, even its cinema borks have Linux behind the scenes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159872 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:05] TR Bot France loves open source so much, even its cinema borks have Linux behind the scenes | Tux Machines [13:05] DaemonFC If I can buy a 20 pound bag for $15 at Walmart, and it doubles when you cook it, then what it the buffet paying, wholesale? [13:06] DaemonFC They like to scatter cheap stuff everywhere with the occasional meat dish. [13:06] DaemonFC But if you work it the other way around, you can load up on meat, then get some vegetables (I go after the ones I know are more expensive at the store). [13:07] DaemonFC They hate it. They have signs pointing which way you're "supposed" to go, but I ignore them and do whatever the hell I want. [13:07] TR News #corporatemedia still so corrupt that it still -- yes STILL -- does these "OMG!! Some people use Linux!!!" pieces, perpetuating this old idea that it's just a bunch of geeks (or "neckbeards") capable of using the thing... #propagandaModel #chomsky [13:08] DaemonFC If you want to do some serious damage to their bottom line, you work the buffet like that, sign up for their "loyalty card" program, use your restaurant rewards card, an stay away from soft drinks. [13:08] TR News #cheese #flowers #rianne #photography http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/The-Corona-Times/Roy-s-Birthdays/20211217_142913 [13:08] TR Bot 20211217 142913 [13:09] DaemonFC They probably make no serious amount of money on me. [13:09] DaemonFC Their business model is set up so that they can sink some customers like me because most people don't behave rationally once they get in there. [13:11] DaemonFC I'm not one of those people who get thrown out of buffets though. Golden Corral has actually had to do that to some people. I heard about a guy who went in there and stacked 15 pieces of fish on one plate and totally wipedo ut the serving tray, they asked him to leave, he refused to pay the bill, and then came back and picketed them, and got arrested for Disorderly Conduct. [13:11] DaemonFC In Wisconsin... Must have been before they went prepay. [13:11] schestowitz "loyalty card" program = spyware [13:11] DaemonFC Smarter to do prepay. Then you don't have dine and dash customers in a city where the police don't do shit. [13:12] DaemonFC MMMMM, tasty spyware! [13:12] DaemonFC There's room for all of god's creatures.......right next to the mashed potatoes. [13:12] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [13:12] schestowitz lol [13:14] MinceR :) [13:15] DaemonFC schestowitz, There was one day at the factory, the vending machine people forgot to lock the machine so that it made you put in money to make a request. [13:15] TR News Dear #nhs ... how many patients with #covid19 hospitalised? NHS: no answer. Well.... here's some old data. Patients admitted 8 days ago. Are they really incapable of publishing such essential data? Are #tories instructing them to "cook the books" somehow? To avoid businesses shutting down? [13:15] DaemonFC So I asked it to give me everything in the machine, and then I passed out lunch to all of my co-workers. [13:15] DaemonFC That was a good day. Not for Capitalism though. [13:16] DaemonFC The plant manager, Martin, weird Australian guy. [13:16] DaemonFC Pet rabbit in the office. [13:16] *coodre__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:17] DaemonFC Calls us all in for a meeting and says Walmart is demanding direct shipments straight from China and they didn't need any more American workers and would just be using "attrition" to get rid of us. [13:17] DaemonFC Nice, huh? [13:17] MinceR 04 140234 < DaemonFC> https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/12/12/how-buffets-make-money.aspx [13:17] Alternative link Cloudflare: fool.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/12/12/how-buffets-make-money.aspx [13:17] TR Bot Obvious and 4 Not So Obvious Ways Buffets Make Money | The Motley Fool [13:17] TR News It's called "capitalism" because they capitalise a whole bunch of religious, superstitious crock like "Keynsian" [13:17] DaemonFC I heard about an "all hands" meeting and said "Oh this can't be good." and I remember him saying "Oh, don't be such a doomsayer.". [13:18] MinceR in all the places i ate at where you were supposed to pick your own pieces of food, they always had you pay by mass or number anyway [13:18] DaemonFC in all the places i ate at where you were supposed to pick your own pieces of food, they always had you pay by mass or number anyway [13:18] DaemonFC If you take it to go, then Golden Corral charges by weight. [13:18] MinceR so it wouldn't depend on unwritten rules :> [13:18] DaemonFC But if you eat it there, you can eat as much as you want, within reason. [13:18] DaemonFC If you just keep putting away plates of food or something, eventually they'll get pissed and ask you to leave. [13:19] DaemonFC But 2-3 plates isn't a problem. [13:19] DaemonFC I've never been kicked out of a buffet before. [13:19] DaemonFC I can't imagine how you could eat enough to be kicked out of the buffet. [13:20] DaemonFC My sides are splitting if I have 3 plates, and I hear of people getting kicked out for like 9 or 10 plates! [13:21] DaemonFC MinceR, Yeah, cafeteria restaurants used to be quite popular in the US. [13:21] DaemonFC There were thousands and thousands of them. Either a la carte or all you can eat. [13:21] DaemonFC Then they started going bankrupt or strategically closing locations. [13:21] DaemonFC There's a really good one in Indiana and one location in Illinois called MCL. They used to have twice as many locations. [13:22] DaemonFC There were two other chains in Indiana called Laughners and Jonathan Byrd's, and one in Texas called Luby's. [13:22] DaemonFC They all went bankrupt and failed to re-emerge. [13:22] MinceR :> [13:23] DaemonFC The companies that own Ryan's and Old Country Buffet (all you can eat) went bankrupt and most of the locations closed. [13:23] DaemonFC Ryan's was really good too. [13:23] DaemonFC My dad was extremely frugal, so we ate at all you can eat buffets a lot. [13:24] DaemonFC Marion had the Sirloin Stockade. Not sure if it's still there. That was awesome. [13:24] DaemonFC Their steaks weren't the sad ones you get if you can even find a buffet today. They tasted like something you'd order at an actual steakhouse, and unlimited. [13:25] DaemonFC I don't get my own generation, honestly. [13:25] schestowitz your dad raised you in good times [13:25] DaemonFC Quit fucking spending $40 to eat two small bowls of noodles. It's not funny! [13:25] schestowitz 80s and 90s [13:26] schestowitz back then families could actually buy homes [13:26] DaemonFC Oh yeah, Marion has become a real shithole. [13:26] DaemonFC It was a booming middle class city with little crime back then. [13:27] schestowitz [13:23] The companies that own Ryan's ... went bankrupt [13:27] DaemonFC The factories left, or the population went up and the factories that remained switched to automation and fired most of the people working there. [13:27] DaemonFC [13:23] The companies that own Ryan's ... went bankrupt [13:27] schestowitz I think we now know why they "went bankrupt " [13:27] DaemonFC LOL [13:27] schestowitz "just give the cow... I'll be right lacking.. [13:27] DaemonFC Yeah, they were putting out high quality food, not charging enough for it, and attracting the "vacuum cleaners". [13:27] schestowitz *packing [13:28] DaemonFC When you lose money on EVERY customer, you won't be in business for very long. [13:28] schestowitz it's a strategy [13:28] schestowitz they rely on men bringing the women and children [13:28] schestowitz they eat less and the women are charged the same [13:28] DaemonFC Yes, men eat probably 40-50% more than women and at least twice what a child would. [13:28] schestowitz also, they hide the more expensive stuff [13:29] schestowitz they charge a lot for drinks [13:29] schestowitz and give funny looks if you order no drink [13:29] DaemonFC Mandy and I are both men and I taught him how to work the buffet. [13:29] DaemonFC They hate people like us. [13:29] schestowitz the food can be made more salty [13:29] DaemonFC We go in there, they lose a few bucks each time. [13:29] schestowitz so you really do need a drink [13:29] schestowitz and for tap water you literally need to go to the toilets [13:30] DaemonFC It's actually against the law in this state not to give the customer free tap water if they're ordering a meal. [13:30] DaemonFC But the restaurants don't like it. [13:30] schestowitz yeah [13:30] DaemonFC They'll do it but they put the fountain drinks right there and imply you should buy one. [13:30] schestowitz they pretend not to understand when you ask for water [13:30] schestowitz and try to bring the "premium" water bottles [13:30] DaemonFC Yeah, they bring "Dasani" or "Aquafina". [13:30] DaemonFC Someone else's tap water. In plastic! [13:31] TR News #KDE Plasma 5.23.5 Released as the Last Update in the Series, Further Improves Plasma Wayland Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159873 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:31] TR Bot KDE Plasma 5.23.5 Released as the Last Update in the Series, Further Improves Plasma Wayland | Tux Machines [13:31] DaemonFC You run our tap water through a Brita filter, it puts out water that's better than any bottled water I've tasted. [13:31] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159874 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:31] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [13:32] DaemonFC We get it straight out of Lake Michigan and put it through a modern treatment plant to start out with, so it's not _terrible_ straight out of the tap. [13:32] DaemonFC If you get farther from the lake, then towns start using well water and you're gonna need a better filter. :) [13:32] DaemonFC I was going to put an under-the-sink four stage system in that house with John. [13:32] DaemonFC Glad I didn't. [13:32] DaemonFC Those are expensive. [13:33] DaemonFC The water in that town is horrible. [13:33] DaemonFC His coworkers were laughing at him because I was sending him to work with a 1.5 gallon bottle to get water out of the bottle filling station at the airport every day. [13:34] DaemonFC You could take a shower or do laundry in Fox Lake water, but you sure as shit wouldn't drink it. It's nasty nasty stuff. If you leave it out it turns blackish red. [13:34] DaemonFC They don't actually remove all of the minerals that cause the hardness, like magnesium and iron, they just "sequester" it. [13:35] DaemonFC But the agent that does that will dissipate eventually and you have black water. [13:35] schestowitz deny water? [13:35] schestowitz that's cruel [13:35] schestowitz very essential for any animal [13:35] schestowitz there was even a company called that [13:36] schestowitz akademi/xe [13:36] DaemonFC block water [13:36] DaemonFC Some amount of minerals in the water are good for you. Improves taste, prevents deficiency. [13:36] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 10.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 114.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.48 [13:37] schestowitz minerals like iron :-) [13:37] schestowitz heavy metals [13:37] DaemonFC Grandma left her sprinkler on and it got knocked over and started spraying her house. [13:38] DaemonFC They didn't realize it because they were on vacation and it was on a timer. [13:38] DaemonFC So they came back two weeks later and the house was red where the water had been hitting it. [13:38] schestowitz niiice. [13:38] DaemonFC Dad and I drove up and I saw that and his jaw dropped open and I said "Oh the irony of it all.". [13:39] DaemonFC And he had to pull over until we were done laughing. [13:39] DaemonFC You couldn't have a vacation with Grandma. [13:39] DaemonFC She's ruin all of them you took her on after you paid thousands for her to be there with you. [13:40] DaemonFC She blows the speaker on every TV she's ever had with televangelists on Volume level 100. [13:40] DaemonFC And so everyone in the condo has to listen to that shit for two weeks in Florida or wherever. [13:41] DaemonFC Then you take her to the restaurant and she ruins the meal by hurling insults at everyone at the table. [13:41] DaemonFC Then you take her to Disney and put her on the kiddie coaster, and the ride has to shut down for 47 minutes(!) while she's screaming and grabbing the bars and refuses to get off the ride. [13:41] DaemonFC (1998, btw) [13:42] DaemonFC Everyone in line who paid to go to Disney standing there because a grown ass woman won't stop screaming and get off the kiddie coaster. [13:43] DaemonFC schestowitz, She and my grandfather lost money to every con artist that came through their church. [13:43] DaemonFC Two I remember signed them up to sell vitamins. They sold their RV to get in on that and then lost all the money from the RV. [13:44] DaemonFC Then there was one where you would sell phone calling cards to people and sign others up, but them the 10-20 hour phone cards only actually worked for 30 minutes and the guy who sold everyone at the church on them had already skipped town with the money (Destiny Telecommunications). [13:44] DaemonFC Meanwhile, all your friends are super pissed at you for giving them worthless phone cards. [13:46] DaemonFC I mean, she wasted more money than I'll ever get ahold of on things that were obvious scams, televangelists, and panic buying food that rotted under the bed because the planes would fall out of the sky while the nuclear power plants melted down because the Arabs hate Jesus and they're going to attack us on Christmas because it's punishment from God for gay marriage. [13:47] DaemonFC My brother was living with her while mom was off having an affair with Gonad, and Grandma told him about the Y2K stockpile. [13:47] *guysoft42 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [13:47] *guysoft42 (~guysoft@2a0d:6fc1:2:1f00:5acf:ffb4:259b:9437) has joined #techrights [13:47] DaemonFC She said "Now don't tell the neighbors about it or they'll come in during the night and kill us in our sleep!". [13:48] DaemonFC And he was like 7, and so he's like "Why are the neighbors going to kill me and grandma for the food?", and I'm like "What the hell........?". [13:48] TR News Interview with Simon Rollins Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159875 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:48] TR Bot Interview with Simon Rollins | Tux Machines [13:48] TR News #ProprietarySoftware and #Security Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159876 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:48] DaemonFC I had to tell him "She's crazy. Don't listen to anything she says like that.". [13:48] TR Bot Proprietary Software and Security | Tux Machines [13:49] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159877 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:49] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [13:50] DaemonFC Then he said one day, "Why is is that when Grandma poops, you can smell it no matter where you are in the house?". [13:50] DaemonFC I said, "Because that's what happens when you live on Boost and cake frosting.". [13:51] TR News Links 4/1/2022: #KDE Plasma 5.23.5 and New Future for GnuPG Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/01/04/new-future-for-gnupg/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/01/04/new-future-for-gnupg/ [13:51] TR Bot Links 4/1/2022: KDE Plasma 5.23.5 and New Future for GnuPG | Techrights [13:51] DaemonFC She's been an unintentional source of humor throughout my lifetime. [13:51] DaemonFC Mostly because I haven't had to be around her for any of it. [13:53] DaemonFC schestowitz, That scene from The Silence of the Lambs where Doctor Chilten was tormenting Hannibal Lector by keeping him in his cell with the TV on max volume with a televangelist screaming. He's taling to Starling and says what a hack Chilten is and "When you leave, he'll turn the volume back up. He so enjoys his petty torments.". [13:55] DaemonFC I said, "Gee, locked in a cell with a TV blasting a televangelist. Vacation with Grandma. Although nobody that's been there has had the benefit of her being in a straight jacket and gagged.". [13:55] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [13:56] DaemonFC THe Scientologists don't like psychiatry. [13:56] DaemonFC They claim that a man was put into a mental institution and drugged for being a schizophrenic. [13:56] DaemonFC And they later found out he was just speaking Hungarian. [13:56] DaemonFC They don't cite the source though. [13:58] DaemonFC Scientology has a lot of front groups. [13:59] DaemonFC They have a fake anti-psychiatry movement and they also have a fake drug rehab clinic. [13:59] DaemonFC The Christians have fake abortion clinics. [13:59] DaemonFC You have to be very careful where you go. [13:59] DaemonFC But Siri has directed iPhone users to all of this, and probably more. ● Jan 04 [14:00] DaemonFC The fake abortion centers are called Crisis Pregnancy Centers, but they usually don't go by that name. [14:00] DaemonFC They use a lot of fake names so you don't find out what it is until you're there and they're shaming you for trying to have an abortion. [14:03] MinceR ah yes, Hannibal Lector, most famous person who reads aloud [14:03] MinceR 04 145855 < DaemonFC> Scientology has a lot of front groups. [14:03] MinceR indeed they do [14:17] TR News Maui Shell seems like a very interesting KDE graphical environment http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159602#comment-32375 [14:17] TR Bot Maui Shell is a convergent desktop for Linux phones, tablets, laptops, and desktop computers | Tux Machines [14:20] TR News Digital Transparency: A Right to Information Report for December 2021

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[15:06] TR News #IBM / #RedHat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159878 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:06] TR Bot IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [15:06] DaemonFC I commented: They upgraded the Excelsior to Windows 11. [15:07] schestowitz 'upgraded' [15:07] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/vista-11-hoax/ [15:07] TR Bot Proof That Windows 11 is a Hoax | Techrights [15:07] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/01/03/windows-share-in-2022/ [15:07] TR Bot In Picture: Microsoft Windows Market Share in a Freefall in 2022 | Techrights [15:07] DaemonFC Yeah, the drive crashes and the entire ship goes dead in space. [15:07] DaemonFC Right after the guy remarks on what a marvelous machine it is. [15:08] TR News A look at the top 100 Steam games running on GNU/Linux - January 2022 edition | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/01/top-100-steam-games-running-on-linux-january-2022-edition/ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/01/04/#latest [15:08] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/01/top-100-steam-games-running-on-linux-january-2022-edition/ [15:08] TR Bot look at the top 100 Steam games running on Linux - January 2022 edition | GamingOnLinux [15:08] TR Bot Social Control Media Posts [15:09] TR News #Hypnagonia ought to #deletegithub https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/01/hypnagonia-is-an-upcoming-open-source-qspire-likeq-deckbuilder #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [15:09] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/01/hypnagonia-is-an-upcoming-open-source-qspire-likeq-deckbuilder [15:09] TR Bot is an upcoming open source "spire-like" deckbuilder | GamingOnLinux [15:09] TR Bot Delete Github - Techrights [15:10] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights [15:13] TR News Dear Liam Dawe and Michel/Micro Larabel, #AMD #hardware isn't #linux news. And x86 is, in general, an impediment to #GNU Linux adoption. Adding a #microsoft slant to such "articles" is clickbait. [15:14] TR News Web site 101: if you treat your readers like shit (like they're dumb herds), your readership will be shitty (quality) and numbers be shitty, too (quantity). [15:16] DaemonFC schestowitz, I was talking to dad, on Facebook. [15:16] DaemonFC "There's very little inflation. Most of the CEOs admit that they raise prices because they can get away with it and they can blame Biden for it. Kroger bragged that you have to buy groceries somewhere so they can do whatever they want to you. [15:16] DaemonFC Mandy and I are going to the Golden Corral a lot because it's $10.50 per person and you can eat all you want to, so I pick him up at work, we make a mid day meal out of it, and I do very little shopping. You know what $20 gets you in the meat department at Walmart these days? Maybe one steak. But two people can go to an all you can eat buffet, which has over 150 things, including steak, for a little over $20. How does that work? [15:16] DaemonFC Golden Corral even has a loyalty program and I have 4-5% back on restaurants depending on the card and the time of year, so in fact we only pay 85 cents on the dollar to eat at the buffet." [15:17] DaemonFC It's incredibly cheap. I can't cook it myself that cheap! [15:18] DaemonFC There at the restaurant, they already cooked it, and so I don't even have to work to cook it, or pay for the energy to cook it. [15:18] DaemonFC So even right there, aside from the grocery bill being higher to start out with, I have to spend hours in the kitchen and pay ComEd to cook the food. [15:19] TR News 27 Years with the Perfect OS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159880 #UNIX #BSD #FreeBSD #TuxMachines [15:19] TR Bot 27 Years with the Perfect OS | Tux Machines [15:19] DaemonFC And electric bills are going up because they can't disconnect the deadbeats anymore. [15:19] TR News #Games: Annual Figures, Free/Libre Games, and More Ports Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159879 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:19] TR Bot Games: Annual Figures, Free/Libre Games, and More Ports | Tux Machines [15:19] DaemonFC So cooking a single meal can cost you 30 cents to $1 worth of electricity, depending on the meal and how you cook it. [15:20] DaemonFC schestowitz, Even with cooking, my electric bills only came out to $33-39 a month, but I think I can get them in the $20s by just "outsourcing" this problem to the restaurant. [15:20] DaemonFC They have electric as a fixed cost. They use the same amount whether I'm there or not. [15:21] DaemonFC I hate ComEd. I hate Democrats. I hate this state. [15:22] DaemonFC "Oh, you want heat? That'll be $300 for your apartment this month. Hey, Pritzker said we can't disconnect anyone, so have fun paying their bill too, and paying us again when you pay taxes!". [15:22] DaemonFC If they charge more for heat, I just say fine, fuck it, and sleep in a sleeping bag. [15:23] DaemonFC They want to charge more for groceries than getting a good restaurant meal, I say fine, fuck your grocery store, and go out to the buffet. [15:23] DaemonFC I mean, things shouldn't work like this, but they do. [15:23] TR News Stop promoting this idea that #intel likes #linux https://news.itsfoss.com/intel-linux-kernel/ look what happens INSIDE Intel. It's not pretty: http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [15:23] Alternative link Cloudflare: itsfoss.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.itsfoss.com/intel-linux-kernel/ [15:23] TR Bot Intel is Gearing Up to Give a 'Superpower' to Linux that Windows Users Don't Have - It's FOSS News [15:23] TR Bot Intel leaks - Techrights [15:23] DaemonFC If it gets unbearably cold at night, I have a small space heater that should bring up the temperature in the bedroom. [15:24] DaemonFC I can just run the space heater fan in there and point it in the direction of my bed. [15:24] DaemonFC Mom said Gonad was having such bad money problems without her income that he had to seal off most of the house and just heat the room he was in. [15:24] DaemonFC LOL [15:24] DaemonFC Well, he got plenty of heat at the end there, in 2017. [15:24] DaemonFC 1,600 Fahrenheit, I'm told, for a couple of hours. [15:25] TR News "A decade old patch is set to be mainlined in the upcoming Linux 5.17 that has been carried by Google's Chrome OS kernel build for years and can help with security on #Linux systems not relying upon systemd's udev." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.17-Devtmpfs-Change [15:25] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.17-Devtmpfs-Change [15:25] TR Bot 5.17 Patch Can Help With Systemd-Less System Security, May Break Some Old Drivers - Phoronix [15:26] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [15:27] TR News These are not smart and buying them is not smart, either https://etbe.coker.com.au/2022/01/04/big-smart-tvs/ [15:27] TR Bot Big Smart TVs etbe - Russell Coker [15:27] DaemonFC I'm thinking about having it put in my will that I want that aquamation or however you spell it. [15:28] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:28] DaemonFC schestowitz, Grandma says she doesn't want to be cremated because when Jesus comes back she won't have a body. [15:28] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [15:28] DaemonFC So much fail. [15:28] schestowitz tell her about "soul" [15:28] DaemonFC You rot in the ground anyway, even the bones eventually. [15:28] schestowitz and flesh rotting [15:29] DaemonFC Yeah, the only thing burial does is take up a lot of land, cost a fortune, put hazardous chemicals into the ecosystem, etc. etc. [15:29] schestowitz you nailed it [15:29] schestowitz like the roman did jesus [15:29] DaemonFC It's nothing you'd do to a planet or family members you cared about. [15:30] DaemonFC There's a cemetery out in the country in Grant County, Indiana, called Gardens of Memory. [15:30] DaemonFC The thing is so massive you could use it to grow enough food to feed thousands of people. [15:30] DaemonFC But instead, here's all of these dead bodies put in the ground, like wtf. [15:31] DaemonFC Why are we doing this? And that's just one burial ground. [15:31] schestowitz when no remembering relatives are left, then nobody visits them anymore [15:31] schestowitz also, not much left of the bodies [15:31] DaemonFC Yeah, I do not want this. [15:32] DaemonFC I don't want to die, but I will eventually. [15:32] schestowitz RMS wants them turned into chemicals for elon musk [15:32] schestowitz which is also wrong [15:32] DaemonFC I don't want my corpse taking up space that could grow corn or soybeans or something. [15:32] schestowitz just live the place alone [15:32] schestowitz *leave [15:32] DaemonFC It's bad enough that most people just take up space while they're alive. [15:33] DaemonFC We have to throw them in the ground and never do anything with the ground again. [15:33] DaemonFC All because of some ancient superstition. [15:33] DaemonFC The God of the Universe, who created everything with a word, is powerless to resurrect people who were cremated. [15:34] DaemonFC Okay, today I learned something. Thanks Grandma! [15:34] *CrystalMath (~coderain@xb9yyj3yicvwe.irc) has joined #techrights [15:34] DaemonFC That and the neighbors are going to break in and kill everyone for her Boost. [15:35] TR News #KDE Plasma 5.23.5 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159873#comment-32379 [15:35] TR Bot KDE Plasma 5.23.5 Released as the Last Update in the Series, Further Improves Plasma Wayland | Tux Machines [15:36] DaemonFC Hmmm.... [15:36] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 115.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.46 [15:37] DaemonFC schestowitz, 59 F in here according to my thermometer. [15:37] DaemonFC 27 F outside according to the weather channel. [15:38] DaemonFC Yeah, the building has heat that the landlord has to keep at a certain level or else his pipes explode and he had to get a plumber out here. [15:38] DaemonFC So I doubt it will fall much below 55-56 no matter what it's doing outside. [15:39] DaemonFC Plus the other tenants in the building probably have their heaters on. [15:39] DaemonFC So I just leave mine off and let everyone around me heat my apartment and throw some extra layers on. [15:41] DaemonFC I might nap for a while. [15:41] DaemonFC In my cocoon. [15:41] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [15:51] TR News Plastic Packaging https://assets.amuniversal.com/6be21a8043f4013a8cf1005056a9545d ● Jan 04 [16:05] TR News Gustave Zander and the 19th-Century Gym The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/zander-gym/ #publicdomainreview #publicdomain [16:05] TR Bot Gustave Zander and the 19th-Century Gym The Public Domain Review [16:07] TR News They are looking for money (RoI), don't call them "Angels" https://hackaday.com/2022/01/04/angel-investor-gives-open-source-pnp-a-massive-boost/ [16:07] TR Bot Investor Gives Open Source PnP A Massive Boost | Hackaday [16:08] TR News #Gentoo 2021 in retrospect & happy new year 2022! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159881 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:08] TR Bot Gentoo 2021 in retrospect & happy new year 2022! | Tux Machines [16:24] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:24] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [16:26] TR News #NumPy 1.22.0 has been released https://lwn.net/Articles/880332/ #programming [16:26] TR Bot 1.22.0 has been released [LWN.net] [16:26] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159882 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:26] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [16:31] TR News Deepin Desktop With Ubuntu? UbuntuDDE Remix 21.10 is Here! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159847#comment-32380 [16:31] TR Bot UbuntuDDE Remix 21.10 - Ubuntu with Beautiful Deepin Desktop is Out! | Tux Machines [16:34] TR News Is Maui Shell the future of the Linux desktop? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159602#comment-32381 [16:34] TR Bot Maui Shell is a convergent desktop for Linux phones, tablets, laptops, and desktop computers | Tux Machines [16:35] MinceR https://64.media.tumblr.com/4b38a2903b4999b627fc52cea8ff41dd/tumblr_pl2vevnWer1t67zi3_1280.jpg [16:36] schestowitz MinceR: probably a trademark time bomb [16:36] schestowitz legal mine (gar)field [16:37] TR News #Kernel: Tablets, Seucurity, PFRUT, and Group Balancer Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159883 #GPL #Linux #TuxMachines [16:37] TR Bot Kernel: Tablets, Seucurity, PFRUT, and Group Balancer | Tux Machines [16:37] schestowitz "Chen, got clearance from legal?" [16:37] schestowitz Chen: "Lee! Gal!" [16:38] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@d9p662hkv8262.irc) has joined #techrights [16:39] DaemonFC Chicago is now sending out 8 times as many speed camera tickets under the 6 mph policy. [16:39] DaemonFC Of course, what they don't want people to know is the enforcement has been largely defanged. [16:40] DaemonFC They used to be able to get your license suspended. They can't do that anymore due to a state law that says no license suspensions for failure to pay a fine. [16:40] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22250729 [16:40] TR Bot 218,724 more #covid19 cases today in #uk (half a million per day by month's end?), based on a minutes-old update. Still no #nhs update on number of COVID-19-linked hospitalisations. No update since "27 December 2021"... WHY? [16:40] schestowitz WTF? [16:40] schestowitz our gov. gave up [16:40] schestowitz "herd mutiny!!!!" [16:40] DaemonFC They can turn it over to a collection agency, but the three major bureaus no longer report civil debts, and FICO 8 disregards amounts under $100 as nuisance accounts anyway. [16:41] DaemonFC "herd mutiny!!!!" [16:41] DaemonFC I think I made that joke last year. [16:42] DaemonFC Speaking of herd immunity, I'm getting another Hepatitis A shot today. [16:42] TR News #FreeBSD out of the picture last month. It was all #GNU / #Linux https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2022/01/04/most-reliable-hosting-company-sites-in-december-2021.html [16:42] TR Bot Most Reliable Hosting Company Sites in December 2021 | Netcraft News [16:42] DaemonFC Hepatitis A is still out there in the US. It's not as prevalent as it once was, but it's less contained than Hepatitis B. [16:42] DaemonFC The one against Hep B has been out a lot longer, so more people were vaccinated as children. [16:42] MinceR schestowitz: it's an Obvious Plant :> [16:43] DaemonFC Hepatitis B could be eradicated in the US at some point. [16:43] schestowitz :) [16:43] DaemonFC There's only a few thousand cases of it per year now. [16:44] schestowitz I took that vaccine years ago [16:44] schestowitz no side effects or anything [16:44] schestowitz effective, safe, not disruptive [16:44] schestowitz unlike some clinical trials with experimental stuff [16:45] DaemonFC Yeah, no reaction to the Hepatitis A vaccine here. [16:45] schestowitz Borisnaro: 90% of people over 12 took this experimental thing [16:45] schestowitz 3 days later: QUARTER MILLION CASES confirmed in one day [16:45] schestowitz yeah, sounds effective then [16:46] schestowitz actually that's 90% for first one [16:46] schestowitz about 4 or 5 million never wanted to take another [16:46] schestowitz I know a few [16:46] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/01/01/nhs-covid19/ [16:46] TR Bot Blog Archive NHS (UK) Survey of COVID-19-Linked Deaths: 79% of the Fatalities Did Receive COVID-19 Vaccines (But Theres a Caveat) [16:47] DaemonFC American left be like 600,000+ cases a day (twice as bad as the last peak when nobody was vaccinated), DAMN YOU 30% that didn't get the 95% effective vaccine!!!!!!1111 [16:47] schestowitz yes, it's not based on facts [16:47] schestowitz the media is not a purveyor of misinformation [16:47] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/12/26/bbc-coronavirus-jabs-misinformation/ [16:47] TR Bot Blog Archive Bill BC (Bill Gates-Bribed BBC) Lies About COVID-19 Data, Again (Updated) [16:50] DaemonFC 95% effective vaccine....70% take the vaccine....60 million confirmed cases of the disease itself where the 59 million who lived have some immunity now..... [16:50] DaemonFC And we're getting twice as many daily cases as last January. [16:50] DaemonFC There's either something very wrong with the tests or something very wrong with the vaccines. [16:51] DaemonFC Stallman's with them though. [16:52] DaemonFC Hey, all that stuff that's not working? Do it again! [16:52] TR News "explains the ongoing controversy surrounding Truth Socials use of Mastodon software, and explores Googles strict prohibition of AGPL-licensed code." https://www.fosslife.org/apgl-and-open-source-license-compliance [16:52] TR Bot The APGL and Open Source License Compliance [16:53] DaemonFC "The APGL is not a widely used license." [16:53] TR News Whats behind the Aadhaar-voter id link? - Times of India Videos https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/podcasts/the-times-of-india-podcast/whats-behind-the-aadhaar-voter-id-link/videoshow/88420135.cms #timesofindia [16:53] TR Bot Whats behind the Aadhaar-voter id link? - Times of India Videos [16:53] DaemonFC If the only thing it does is create communities and keep the Gulags and Microsofts away, that's a plus. [16:54] schestowitz-TR I wanted to say [16:54] schestowitz-TR that she is connected to Microsoft or Codeplex [16:54] schestowitz-TR because I once read something to that effect [16:54] schestowitz-TR but... [16:54] schestowitz-TR I cannot find it anymore [16:55] schestowitz-TR I spent about 5 minutes searching [16:55] schestowitz-TR maybe she removed it [16:55] schestowitz-TR it's a major liability [16:55] schestowitz-TR maybe was an "advisor" to them [16:55] schestowitz-TR but I cannot prove it... just remember it, no page to prove it anymore [16:56] TR News Centralized, decentralized or neither: which national digital ID system will you choose? | #Biometric Update https://www.biometricupdate.com/202112/centralized-decentralized-or-neither-which-national-digital-id-system-will-you-choose #biometricupdate [16:56] Alternative link Cloudflare: biometricupdate.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.biometricupdate.com/202112/centralized-decentralized-or-neither-which-national-digital-id-system-will-you-choose [16:56] TR Bot Centralized, decentralized or neither: which national digital ID system will you choose? | Biometric Update [16:57] schestowitz Bill's Guardian [16:57] schestowitz https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/25/facebook-how-to-fix-break-up-regulation [16:57] TR Bot Regulate, break up, open up: how to fix Facebook in 2022 | Facebook | The Guardian [16:57] schestowitz let's focus on all those other companies [16:57] schestowitz not Microsoft... [16:57] schestowitz love, [16:57] schestowitz Bill [16:58] TR News The 7 Best BSD-Based Operating Systems of All Time Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159884 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:58] TR Bot The 7 Best BSD-Based Operating Systems of All Time | Tux Machines [16:58] *coodre__ (~no@m55pscpw2fxyc.irc) has joined #techrights [16:59] TR News Amber Ankerholz does #LPI 'spam' in the employer's site, occasionally LF also. This whole "diploma mill" has even invaded #fossforce http://techrights.org/2022/01/01/gafam-schools/ [16:59] TR Bot Schools Are Not Vendor Certification Mills, Theyre Meant to Teach Pupils/Students | Techrights ● Jan 04 [17:05] DaemonFC https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/03/oral-b-debuts-three-new-iphone-connected-io-smart-toothbrushes [17:05] Alternative link Cloudflare: appleinsider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/03/oral-b-debuts-three-new-iphone-connected-io-smart-toothbrushes [17:05] TR Bot debuts three new iPhone-connected iO smart toothbrushes | AppleInsider [17:06] DaemonFC I commented: [17:06] DaemonFC I have an Oral-B toothbrush with Bluetooth, but I never use the Bluetooth because I hate Bluetooth and it requires apps, which are spyware. [17:06] DaemonFC I can't imagine what it would tell me about my brushing. I have a tongue. I can go over my teeth when I'm done. Also, Braun ridiculously overcharges Americans for toothbrush heads. They're $6 apiece now. I picked up a multipack and imported it from Australia, and they came out to $2.50 per brush head. [17:06] coodre__ ok why a bluetooth toothbrush ffs [17:06] coodre__ why are these companies making everything connect to the internet [17:06] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [17:06] DaemonFC Internet of Shit [17:07] coodre__ all they do is drive up the cost, and waste energy [17:07] DaemonFC Poor people buy Apple products. Rich people buy Apple stock. [17:08] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@6pxtd49npuduw.irc) has joined #techrights [17:08] DaemonFC Most of their stuff doesn't even pretend to be useful, but it has idiots lapping it up like antifreeze at a petting zoo. [17:10] DaemonFC https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/03/att-verizon-wont-delay-5g-rollout-over-aviation-safety-concerns [17:10] Alternative link Cloudflare: appleinsider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/03/att-verizon-wont-delay-5g-rollout-over-aviation-safety-concerns [17:10] TR Bot & Verizon won't delay 5G rollout over aviation safety concerns | AppleInsider [17:10] DaemonFC I commented: [17:10] DaemonFC "It's amazing, like, you know, how our $8 trillion dollar a year government that claims it can do whatever the hell it wants just sits back and goes "Yeah, planes might crash, but AT&T says they're not delaying 5G."." [17:11] DaemonFC 3,000 flights grounded anyway. Let's go, Brandon. [17:12] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:12] coodre__ how far can 5G even reach, unless theres some retard on board who doesn't know what airplane mode is [17:12] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:13] DaemonFC I actually had a pilot say "Please put your phone in airplane mode. YES IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Thank you." over the intercom. [17:13] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [17:14] DaemonFC coodre__, Ironically, it's the 5G bands that are only about as fast as 4G LTE that have any decent range, so that's what T-Mobile is rolling out and calling 5G, and they love it because it lets them shut down towers that they had before. [17:15] DaemonFC And that's why my 5G Home Internet is pretty much maxed out at around 40-60 Mbps depending on conditions. [17:16] DaemonFC I might run over to Thornton's and pick up some 20s to break for tips to the wait staff at the buffet. They work hard. They deserve a good tip. I'm sure they get stiffed more often than not. [17:17] DaemonFC Buffets tend to attract a certain....special....type of person. [17:17] coodre__ you would be lucky to get even 10 Mbps here [17:17] DaemonFC A dyed in the wool skinflint who weighs about 400 pounds and is going there to stack the empty plates high. [17:17] coodre__ upload speed is maxed out at 0.4 Mbps [17:18] DaemonFC Yeah, T-Mobile is about the worst carrier you get, unless you use their MVNO "Metro" that they put in ghetto neighborhoods. [17:19] DaemonFC They know that there's a certain type who never has any credit and who can't afford a phone anyone has ever heard of, so they put them on a short leash by making them pre-pay, and accept more throttling, on a cheap phone. [17:19] DaemonFC You know you're in the wrong neighborhood if you start seeing stores that say Boost and Metro. [17:20] DaemonFC And really really in the wrong neighborhood if they say Boost or Metro and have locking gates and bars on the windows. [17:20] DaemonFC And, well, 67th street or lower if you get there and there's a guy shouting "Obamaphones! Obamaphones!". [17:21] coodre__ it's the worst ISP in terms of internet speed, but the best ISP in terms of software/router freedom (other ISPs require you to use shitty proprietary routers from China) [17:21] DaemonFC Yeah, this Nokia piece of shit hard freezes about every few days. [17:22] DaemonFC That's actually an improvement. [17:22] DaemonFC It used to do it a couple times a day. [17:22] DaemonFC They must be patching it. [17:24] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights [17:25] coodre__ i wonder why ISPs force people to use their own routers, probably contains a LAN or/and WiFi backdoor [17:26] DaemonFC Hmm, Carvana has a 2018 Honda Civic with 73,000 miles for $24,000. [17:26] DaemonFC Or a 2013 Accord with 45,700 miles for $22,000. [17:26] DaemonFC I'd probably take the 2013 Accord, myself. [17:27] DaemonFC Miles do a lot worse to a car than a few years of age, all things being equal. [17:27] DaemonFC And the Accord was the more expensive model to begin with, so they probably used better parts. [17:27] DaemonFC That's usually how it goes. [17:28] DaemonFC You can hit a price point by sacrificing quality on pretty much anything. [17:28] activelow both, expensive [17:29] DaemonFC They have a lot of fucking crap too. [17:29] DaemonFC German stuff, GM..... [17:29] activelow 20k cash sufficed for a new car [17:29] DaemonFC Oh, you can get a new KIA for that much. [17:29] DaemonFC Ask Roy for his article where he quotes me on KIA. [17:29] activelow Lada (russia) and Dacia (romania) too [17:29] DaemonFC And why you'd be better off buying a Honda or a Toyota even if they are 5-6 years old. [17:30] DaemonFC KIA is just absolute garbage. [17:30] activelow kia? korea? not sure [17:30] DaemonFC They use them as beaters for Uber and Taxi stuff in Chicago where they'll get banged around anyway. [17:30] DaemonFC They're seen as kind of a disposable car. [17:31] activelow i wouldn't judge a car only by brand name [17:31] DaemonFC They only last half as long, but you just run them into the ground and buy another one because they're so cheap. [17:33] DaemonFC KIA ignored the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act with me and also violated Illinois state law. [17:33] DaemonFC They called outside of acceptable hours about my debt, and they called even though I asked them, in writing, to stop. Both violations of FDCPA. [17:33] DaemonFC And they called me 12-14 times a day, which violated Illinois law of Disorderly Conduct as a Business Offense. [17:34] DaemonFC Causing the victim's phone to ring primarily to harass, annoy, or intimidate them. [17:35] activelow i wouldn't want to buy anything if i couldn't pay with cash [17:35] DaemonFC Yeah, don't. [17:35] DaemonFC Don't ever buy anything you don't have the cash for. [17:35] activelow either, i got the money, cash, or i have none. if i got no cash then i don't buy anything. [17:35] DaemonFC Carvana accepts ACH transfers and has the car to you within 3 business days. [17:36] activelow most of the spendings here are not related to any decisions of mine, and i need to rent some place. [17:36] DaemonFC In other words, cash and carry. [17:36] DaemonFC So to speak. [17:36] activelow reminds me, in comparison to former GDR (east germany) rents increased almost 1000% [17:36] DaemonFC I think the business model is decent. You don't haggle with a salescritter. [17:36] DaemonFC You don't get strongarmed in a finance department that packs a loan full of shit you don't need. [17:36] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 157.00 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.43 [17:36] activelow a flat ~50sqm in east germany was ~28Mark East (7 Euros for the entire flat), per month [17:37] DaemonFC Warranty companies that don't answer your phone and deny all claims. [17:37] DaemonFC YOu get that car lots. Believe me! [17:37] activelow nowadays, those 7Euros rent didn't suffice for a single square meter anymore [17:37] activelow wait, no, that's far more than 1000% inflation for the rent alone [17:38] DaemonFC Well, I was reading a blog where someone got rid of their VHS tapes because they calculated how much of their apartment they were taking up, and how much it cost to rent that much space. [17:38] DaemonFC My dad is just lucky he has cheap land in Indiana. [17:39] DaemonFC If he was paying NYC rent prices, $12,000 a month worth of apartment space to store his porn. [17:40] DaemonFC It was just disgusting how that divorce played out. Especially the custody hearing where mom dragged in a bunch of lawn bags full of porn and told the judge "I had to stop here even though it's only a fraction, because it's all I could get in my car.". [17:40] DaemonFC In a marriage with no kids, that wouldn't matter, but when you're fighting for custody, you drag your ex around in the mud like divorce courts worked 40 years ago in most states. [17:41] DaemonFC No, kids, not worth fighting dirty like that. The court costs pile up and ruin you both. [17:41] DaemonFC Divorce lawyers love marriage. [17:41] DaemonFC Everyone else.....Well, on the whole society seems to be moving away from the concept, honestly. [17:42] DaemonFC I agree with what the late Jerry Doyle said about marriage ceremonies. [17:42] DaemonFC If they take longer than a margarita does to separate, it's gone on too long. [17:43] DaemonFC If you're smart you'll just get married to someone you trust and pay $10 and have a judge do it. [17:43] DaemonFC If you're stupid, you'll spend all day on it, take distant relations out to dinner, hire a photographer, and spend $15,000. [17:44] DaemonFC If I spend $15,000 on something it's going to be a car, or a down payment on a house. [17:45] DaemonFC Not pretending like I'm a member of the Royal Family for a few hours and then the credit card people go "Bitch, where's my money!". [17:49] DaemonFC schestowitz, I commented on WGN: [17:49] DaemonFC You know, the Russians are taking better care of Crimea and nobody fought it, and one of the reasons is the child pornographers are being executed no when the Ukraine wasn't doing anything about it. [17:49] DaemonFC *now [17:49] activelow 20K cash, that's almost 10years of income here (excluding taxes, and not accounting for the rent which is way over my head) [17:50] DaemonFC 20K cash, that's almost 10years of income here (excluding taxes, and not accounting for the rent which is way over my head) [17:50] DaemonFC That's about what a couple of minimum wage earners can put back after paying all of their bills over the course of a year or so here. [17:50] DaemonFC If they really want to, and don't do anything truly stupid. [17:50] *ciphrCat (~ciphrCat@v75kd7krrqfvs.irc) has joined #techrights [17:53] DaemonFC "Verizon and T-Mobile have discontinued their iPad rebate program in partnership with Apple following widespread customer complaints that the program was ineffective, flawed, and rarely worked as intended." [17:53] DaemonFC This is why Libertarians hate the government. When you get a government program that's ineffective, flawed, and rarely works as intended, and causes tremendous pain for more people than it helps, they keep it going forever and give it more money. [17:53] DaemonFC --- [17:53] DaemonFC My comment on AppleInsider. [17:53] *cybrNaut (~cybrNaut@joseon-tto.k1n.ssv8hv.IP) has joined #techrights [17:54] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:58] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [17:59] DaemonFC A comment I left for my dad: [17:59] DaemonFC I don't think that Libertarianism is a natural fit for the Republican Party. We actually criticize the Republican Party far more, I think, than the Democratic one. At least the Democrats are open about what they'll do. Dump more money into social rot. [17:59] DaemonFC The Republicans say they'll cut the government down to size, and then they get in there, and spend 8 years, and it's running bigger deficits than ever so billionaires don't pay any taxes, and then they spend spend spend on military pork and saber rattling and impotent and imbecilic bluster with money they borrowed from the country they say is now threatening us, at ruinous interest rates, which that country buys our country with. And somehow [17:59] DaemonFC there's 47% more government after W left than before. Amazing how the Republicans manage to be even worse than the Democrats. [17:59] DaemonFC Then the Republicans go further and want to regulate personal behavior that's really none of their business. So, the Republicans are even more of a natural enemy to Libertarians than Democrats. And it was in that sense that I voted Trump out. ● Jan 04 [18:01] DaemonFC --- [18:01] DaemonFC Court decisions that tell the government "No, you can't do that!" are terrific. [18:01] DaemonFC There should be way more of them. [18:02] DaemonFC The country gets a little less non-Free each time the courts tell the government "No, you can't fuck with them in that particular way!". [18:02] DaemonFC It's something that does not happen enough. [18:02] DaemonFC The state almost always wins, even when it loses in court. [18:03] DaemonFC Because it can manipulate you using threats and bribes and it will do whatever it has to do in order to win. [18:05] DaemonFC When the IRS penalty for not buying insurance disappeared, the feds resorted to bigger bribes, when they had to, to keep people enrolling in health insurance that wasn't a good deal. [18:06] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [18:23] *ybaumy4 (~ybaumy@hbcikybxvyfcw.irc) has joined #techrights [18:24] XFaCE MinceR: TFW when you spend way too long perfecting a shell script [18:27] XFaCE and keeping it POSIX even when busybox ash supports the features you want [18:28] MinceR if it's so complicated i'd rather write it in python or lisp [18:30] *coodre__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:33] XFaCE it isn't, I just made it look really really good [18:33] XFaCE <@MinceR> if it's so complicated i'd rather write it in python or lisp [18:33] MinceR :> [18:33] XFaCE AWK [18:48] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights ● Jan 04 [19:12] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:14] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [19:17] leah schestowitz: btw, the osboot [19:17] leah schestowitz: btw, the osboot version of that policy is now live [19:18] leah https://osboot.org/news/policy.html [19:18] TR Bot osboot Binary blob reduction policy [19:18] leah it differs wildly from the libreboot one, but with the same ideology behind it, and with the same goals. osboot merely takes a different practical approach [19:22] *coodre__ (~no@si5hyiuqprr44.irc) has joined #techrights [19:33] *coodre__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:33] *coodre (~no@pgnmepcnthh2a.irc) has joined #techrights [19:36] *anontor has quit (Quit) [19:37] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 143.15 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.40 [19:37] *coodre__ (~no@b5csfifnrmtta.irc) has joined #techrights [19:37] *coodre has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:39] XFaCE leah: correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't OpenBSD push for blob-free for pragmatic security reasons? I.e. not including blobs by default and only as an optional package. [19:39] TR News " #EasyOS has #MPV video player 0.32.0. I have now compiled 0.34.1 in OpenEmbedded, and added libass, lua and luajit dependencies -- these are needed for OSC and OSD (On Screen Control, On Screen Display)." https://bkhome.org/news/202201/mpv-bumped-to-0341.html #gnu #linux [19:39] TR Bot MPV bumped to 0.34.1 [19:40] *coodre___ (~no@r2za98gf8nq8e.irc) has joined #techrights [19:41] XFaCE leah: in other words, why not copy the precedent Theo/OpenBSD has set rather than NIH a new policy? [19:41] *coodre__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:43] XFaCE https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143355112811564&w=2 [19:43] TR Bot 'Re: Blob-free OpenBSD kernel needed' - MARC [19:43] TR News "In this blog post, wed like to do exactly this for #Bootlin , which has seen a number of significant changes this year, as well as a continuation of its usual activities." ttps://bootlin.com/blog/2021-at-bootlin-a-year-in-review/ [19:44] *coodre__ (~no@b8tr2jiwkgi5s.irc) has joined #techrights [19:45] TR News "All that technology (and more) is powered, quite literally, by open source, in one way or another." But #linuxfoundation REJECTS such technology and uses #proprietarySoftware instead! https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/a-new-years-message-from-nithya-ruff-2022/ [19:45] Alternative link Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/a-new-years-message-from-nithya-ruff-2022/ [19:45] TR Bot A New Year's Message from Nithya Ruff (2022) - Linux Foundation [19:46] *coodre___ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:46] *coodre___ (~no@b8tr2jiwkgi5s.irc) has joined #techrights [19:46] TR News #LibreOffice at #FOSDEM 2022 February 5-6 - The Document Foundation Blog https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/01/04/libreoffice-at-fosdem-2022-february-5-6/ #documentfoundation #opendocument #freesw #libreoffice #odf | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/01/04/#latest [19:46] TR Bot LibreOffice at FOSDEM 2022 February 5-6 - The Document Foundation Blog [19:47] TR Bot Social Control Media Posts [19:48] *coodre__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:48] TR News #Firebird ought to #deletegithub entirely https://mapopa.blogspot.com/2022/01/firebird-grammar-railroad-diagram.html #microsoft #proprietarySoftware http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [19:48] TR Bot Mariuz's Blog: Firebird Grammar railroad diagram [19:48] TR Bot Delete Github - Techrights [19:49] TR News #Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159885 #Linux #TuxMachines [19:49] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:50] *anontor (~anontor@ye68sz7bujpma.irc) has joined #techrights [19:50] *coodre__ (~no@an8czi3p7ysu8.irc) has joined #techrights [19:50] *rowbee has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [19:51] *rowbee (~augh@joseon-6n0.an1.6o3glj.IP) has joined #techrights [19:52] *coodre___ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:52] TR News Attila Pinter and Maurizio Galli join the #openSUSE Board https://sysadmin-journal.com/attila-pinter-and-maurizio-galli-join-the-opensuse-board/ #suse #gnu #linux [19:52] Alternative link Cloudflare: sysadmin-journal.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://sysadmin-journal.com/attila-pinter-and-maurizio-galli-join-the-opensuse-board/ [19:52] TR Bot Attila Pinter and Maurizio Galli join the openSUSE Board [19:54] TR News Small steps towards a #GTK 4-based Initial Setup Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159886 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:54] TR Bot Small steps towards a GTK 4-based Initial Setup | Tux Machines [19:54] TR News #freesw News: Court, Governments Newfound Support, Plus Latest Linux Niceties Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159887 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:54] TR Bot OSS News: Court, Governments Newfound Support, Plus Latest Linux Niceties | Tux Machines [19:55] *alextee has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:55] TR News "It appears that #Gulag created a handy tool that helps finding the command which causes a GPU hang/crash. It is called Graphics Flight Recorder (GFR) and was open-sourced a year ago but didnt receive any attention." https://blogs.igalia.com/dpiliaiev/google-flight-recorder/ [19:55] TR Bot Graphics Flight Recorder - unknown but handy tool to debug GPU hangs - Danylos blog [19:58] TR News Only fools buy these... https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/03/oral-b-debuts-three-new-iphone-connected-io-smart-toothbrushes [19:58] Alternative link Cloudflare: appleinsider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/03/oral-b-debuts-three-new-iphone-connected-io-smart-toothbrushes [19:58] TR Bot debuts three new iPhone-connected iO smart toothbrushes | AppleInsider ● Jan 04 [20:00] TR News #linuxfoundation is #openwashing #surveillance again. What a truly disgusting org. [20:00] *leah has quit (connection closed) [20:00] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [20:01] leah XFaCE: i do not agree with the openbsd way of doing things [20:01] TR News #gnu rush version 2.2 (stable) released on 2 January 2022 https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Rush #freesw [20:01] TR Bot Rush - Free Software Directory [20:02] XFaCE leah: your policy seems comparable if not identical to openbsd though [20:03] XFaCE I'm guessing you aren't maintaining a CVS repo perhaps [20:03] *alextee (~alextee@49t98wazbw5y8.irc) has joined #techrights [20:03] leah my policy is completely different: [20:03] leah i include them, by default, when required [20:03] leah in the default distribution [20:03] leah though, there are exceptions [20:03] leah for example, mrc.bin cannot be redistributed freely [20:03] leah google hosts chromebook images with them, which they're allowed to do [20:03] XFaCE "The kernel includes a few minor firmwares which are FREELY PROVIDED [20:03] XFaCE by the vendors of that hardware, since those vendors chose to not put [20:03] XFaCE those firmware onto ROMS on their cards. Those firmwares are FREE. [20:03] XFaCE Please indicate a single vendor who wants MONEY for that firmware. [20:03] XFaCE They don't want money. They want people to use the hardware which [20:03] XFaCE they skipped on adding a ROM to. That is why the firmware is free. [20:04] XFaCE A few other firmwares are slightly less free. Meaning they are free [20:04] leah coreboot has a script to extract those, from public chromebook images [20:04] XFaCE for money, but they try to stipulate subtle rules we do not want to [20:04] XFaCE impact the freedom of our source tree with. To solve this specific [20:04] XFaCE problem, a few creative developers in the group have found a way to [20:04] XFaCE package those up and make them available on the internet. OpenBSD [20:04] XFaCE has a tool built in which will download those, so that our base source [20:04] XFaCE tree remains full of freedom." [20:04] XFaCE ^basically what you said, unless I'm mistaken [20:04] XFaCE (was too all-encompassing in the degree of un-included firmware with OpenBSD... wifi firmware came to mind though) [20:07] leah yes, i'm aware [20:07] leah osbmk is similar in spirit but not the same in practise [20:07] TR News Liam Dawe and Micro/Michael Phoronix coverage lots of stuff about #hardware today that has nothing to do with #linux or -- yet worse -- is all about #microsoft :/ [20:07] XFaCE osbmk is similar in spirit but not the same in practise [20:08] XFaCE you haven't found a way to clone Theo De Raadt yet? [20:08] TR News Important reminder to #gnu #linux users: Intel does NOT like you. http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [20:08] TR Bot Intel leaks - Techrights [20:08] XFaCE [20:10] TR News #KaOS 2022.01 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159859#comment-32383 [20:10] TR Bot KaOS Linux Sees First 2022 ISO Release with Initial ZFS Support, Latest KDE Goodies | Tux Machines [20:11] TR News No, #techradar ... Ingo Molnar is not "solo developer"... he has a well known employer [20:11] XFaCE The joke being that OpenBSD is so inextricably tied to Theo that having practical differences is inevitable, thus stretching the threshold of similar practice so much so that anything less than cloning Theo will always produce something very different in practice. [20:13] TR News Micro 'Michael' Larabel and Liam Dawe ought not let their sites become a product catalogue of malicious #hardware companies. Focus on #linux instead... [20:15] AdmFubar the second paragraph in the last section of the article sums it up! https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-use-video-player-to-steal-credit-cards-from-over-100-sites/ [20:15] Alternative link Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-use-video-player-to-steal-credit-cards-from-over-100-sites/ [20:15] TR Bot Hackers use video player to steal credit cards from over 100 sites [20:15] MinceR cloning Theo will not result in a duplicate personality, only a duplicate of the genetic material [20:17] AdmFubar https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/01/04/the-linux-kernel-could-soon-be-50-to-80-faster-to-build/ [20:17] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/01/04/the-linux-kernel-could-soon-be-50-to-80-faster-to-build/ [20:17] TR Bot The Linux kernel could soon be 50 to 80% faster to build - CNX Software [20:17] XFaCE MinceR: I had no idea. /s [20:18] XFaCE AdmFubar: Can't be from adding Rust [20:18] MinceR :> [20:18] XFaCE then it would be 50 - 80% slower [20:19] psydroid4 could the linux kernel lose 50 to 80% of its code and become 50 to 80 times faster to run? [20:21] AdmFubar didn't read the article did ya? [20:21] XFaCE I believe psydroid4 made what is called in the industry a joke. [20:21] schestowitz-TR [20:10] No, #techradar ... Ingo Molnar is not "solo developer"... he has a well known employer [20:22] schestowitz-TR it's shallow hype from hungary [20:22] schestowitz-TR man submits patch [20:22] schestowitz-TR media acts like linux was revolutionised [20:22] schestowitz-TR and how many even build a kernel? [20:22] XFaCE schestowitz-TR: hand up [20:23] XFaCE building kernels shouldn't be some advanced knowledge though [20:23] XFaCE everyone should build them [20:23] XFaCE and disable modules while they're at it [20:24] TR News "Ubuntu if you opt for the XPS 13 Plus "Developer Edition."" https://www.windowscentral.com/dell-xps-13-plus-announcement-ces-2022 [20:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: windowscentral.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.windowscentral.com/dell-xps-13-plus-announcement-ces-2022 [20:24] TR Bot Dell unveils redesigned 'XPS 13 Plus' with haptic trackpad and capacitive function keys | Windows Central [20:27] XFaCE schestowitz-TR: do you disable modules? [20:27] XFaCE I mean the entire support for them [20:27] schestowitz-TR no [20:28] schestowitz-TR don't forget, you need patching too [20:28] XFaCE which patches [20:28] schestowitz-TR and in some cases, thanks to some a-hole from Gulag, you may need Microsoft to sign the binaries [20:28] schestowitz-TR XFaCE: security parches for starters [20:29] TR News #Graphics: WineD3D, Mozilla Firefox, and GPUs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159888 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:29] XFaCE Do you have any specific recommendations? [20:29] TR Bot Graphics: WineD3D, Mozilla Firefox, and GPUs | Tux Machines [20:29] XFaCE Disabling module support seems a pretty good first step [20:30] XFaCE schestowitz-TR: Do you mean the linux hardened patches? [20:31] TR News Keyboard and mouse mapping to gamepad tool AntiMicroX v3.2.1 out now Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159889 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:31] TR Bot Keyboard and mouse mapping to gamepad tool AntiMicroX v3.2.1 out now | Tux Machines [20:32] schestowitz-TR XFaCE: no [20:32] schestowitz-TR just standard system updates [20:34] *coodre__ has quit (connection closed) [20:34] *coodre__ (~no@an8czi3p7ysu8.irc) has joined #techrights [20:35] XFaCE schestowitz-TR: don't really have to "patch" those [20:35] XFaCE just update the linux source [20:36] XFaCE Also the no-module approach need not apply to Nvidia systems... short of using Nouveau [20:36] XFaCE Good luck to the proprietary driver users [20:36] *Noisytoot_ (~noisytoot@freenode/user/Noisytoot) has joined #techrights [20:36] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@y56qsb6r6yg94.irc) has joined #techrights [20:36] coodre__ rust's inefficient way to compiling its official compiler and the community's hostility towards alternative compilers really makes me think that rust is proprietary [20:37] *Noisytoot_ (~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot) has joined #techrights [20:37] MinceR their trademark policy is also proprietary [20:37] MinceR plus it went from being owned by mozilla to being owned by microsoft [20:38] MinceR neither of those entities support our freedom [20:38] TR News #LinuxFoundation site is now rerunning old articles from Linux.com, composed by people whom it laid off after they had actually promoted Linux, unlike this "Foundation" [20:38] XFaCE MinceR: Microsoft "bought" another Foundation eh? [20:38] MinceR yeah [20:39] MinceR or the suits just naturally gravitated together [20:39] XFaCE That explains the current state of the Rust Foundation [20:40] coodre__ microsoft is slowly trying to ruin the free software community while maintaining its image of being forgiving [20:41] MinceR ooh, forgiving like the catholic church [20:41] TR News Frustrating to see how 'Linux' sites, throughout the day today, treat #intel news/noise (pure hardware, with #nsa back doors even!) like it's "Linux" news... those sites should know better. Intel does not even like Linux (it's not good for making lots of sales) http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [20:41] TR Bot Intel leaks - Techrights [20:41] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:42] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159890 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:42] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [20:42] coodre__ if intel really cared about free software, it would have already publicly released the source code of their Intel WiFi chip firmwares [20:42] XFaCE coodre__: forgiving? I mean there's a lot fake marketing from them but I don't think that's the image they are coming from [20:42] coodre__ i didn't know what word to put it [20:42] XFaCE More like the totally un-malicious individual offering treats on the street [20:43] AdmFubar https://www.osnews.com/story/134396/unicode-normalization-forms-when-o-o/ [20:43] Alternative link Cloudflare: osnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.osnews.com/story/134396/unicode-normalization-forms-when-o-o/ [20:43] TR Bot normalization forms: when != OSnews [20:43] MinceR https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000615763561-c3m4x3-t500x500.jpg [20:44] XFaCE exactly MinceR [20:45] psydroid4 Intel cares about money, not about free software [20:45] MinceR even the paint is eco-friendly, as you can see [20:45] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [20:45] TR News I rarely trust anything with the word "Foundation" in its name; that word usually just means "avoiding taxes" and it's typically controlled by rich/powerful/power-hungry tax-evading vandals. It didn't have to be like this; but that's how it is... [20:45] psydroid4 free software costs them money [20:45] MinceR intel also cares about leverage, like microsoft [20:45] MinceR otherwise they'd sell desirable and less locked down products as an option [20:46] coodre__ free software "foundation"? [20:46] psydroid4 yes [20:46] AdmFubar https://www.pogowasright.org/nz-community-law-centres-24k-legal-costs-bid-after-privacy-breach-declined/ [20:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: pogowasright.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pogowasright.org/nz-community-law-centres-24k-legal-costs-bid-after-privacy-breach-declined/ [20:46] TR Bot NZ: Community Law Centres $24k legal costs bid after privacy breach declined [20:46] schestowitz coodre__: I though of FSF too when I wrote it [20:46] schestowitz it's a bit of an exception, but only a bit [20:47] XFaCE The Open Group [20:47] XFaCE ...is not an exception lol [20:47] schestowitz Opel Group [20:47] XFaCE ...I don't get the joke [20:47] MinceR i thought The Closed Group didn't call itself a foundation [20:47] AdmFubar https://www.pogowasright.org/review-of-u-s-state-law-developments-in-2021/ [20:47] Alternative link Cloudflare: pogowasright.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pogowasright.org/review-of-u-s-state-law-developments-in-2021/ [20:47] TR Bot Review of U.S. State Law Developments in 2021 [20:48] XFaCE MinceR: " It was established in 1996 when X/Open merged with the Open Software Foundation." [20:48] XFaCE A rose by any other name [20:48] MinceR :> [20:48] TR News Maybe a #slowNewsDay but #gnu #linux centric sites ought not (IMHO) use this as an excuse to promote proprietary crap with #backdoors ... better silence than this... [20:48] psydroid4 what Software was Open? [20:48] psydroid4 was the source code available? [20:49] XFaCE between members [20:49] XFaCE the "open" part was more the standards and documentation [20:49] XFaCE POSIX et al. [20:49] AdmFubar https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/security-windows-format-command-allows-dll-loading-abuse.443191/ [20:49] Alternative link Cloudflare: wilderssecurity.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/security-windows-format-command-allows-dll-loading-abuse.443191/ [20:49] TR Bot Security: Windows Format command allows DLL loading abuse | Wilders Security Forums [20:50] psydroid4 Windows itself is abuse [20:50] MinceR "Open" means the same thing as in current "open source", i.e. "please buy our stuff" [20:50] MinceR also in "OpenVMS" [20:50] XFaCE Or that patent share group that I forgot the name of [20:50] XFaCE OIN [20:51] XFaCE Open Innovation Network [20:51] XFaCE That's the kind of Open the Open Group is [20:51] TR News "Smart" TV: a TV that lasts you 3 years instead of 30 years like some old TVs did. Maybe the 'Linux' Foundation will let some certificate lapse, whereupon some features get 'bricked'. Vendor: come on, buy a new one!! [20:51] schestowitz-TR XFaCE: Invention [20:51] XFaCE Precisely the same, even with the same members [20:51] psydroid4 "OpenVMS Hobbyist License" that is hard to get access to, if you ask [20:51] *psydroid4 tried [20:51] schestowitz-TR LOT is also connected to LOT [20:51] schestowitz-TR which is conected to LF [20:51] schestowitz-TR similar front groups [20:51] schestowitz-TR same owners [20:51] schestowitz-TR different purposes [20:52] coodre__ what happens if you don't connect your smart tv to the internet [20:52] XFaCE schestowitz-TR: you should start an open innovation network [20:52] psydroid4 it turns on at night looking for a connection [20:53] coodre__ what if you rip off the network card [20:53] psydroid4 I have one here that has never been connected to the internet [20:53] psydroid4 I don't know, I never went that far [20:53] AdmFubar https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/04/india_apple_antitrust_investigation_ordered/ [20:53] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/04/india_apple_antitrust_investigation_ordered/ [20:53] TR Bot Indias competition regulator launches probes into Apple The Register [20:54] XFaCE schestowitz-TR: Open Invasion Network [20:54] schestowitz-TR lol [20:54] coodre__ i like how they probe apple but never think about microsoft (even with their extremely obvious antitrust issues), almost as if microsoft paid them off [20:54] AdmFubar what is you don't use the smart part of the tv? I use kodi on mine..;) [20:54] schestowitz-TR XFaCE: TOO descriptive [20:54] schestowitz-TR "too many details" [20:55] psydroid4 for me it's just another screen attached to my laptop [20:55] psydroid4 via a docking station [20:59] XFaCE schestowitz-TR: Open Invasive Network? [20:59] schestowitz-TR btw, I will do a video shortly about OSI ● Jan 04 [21:00] schestowitz-TR seems they take my complaints seriously [21:00] schestowitz-TR and want a dialogue [21:00] MinceR Openly Invasive Network? [21:00] schestowitz-TR software patents are fine, sign here pleas Foundation [21:02] schestowitz-TR FSF is funded by the sponsors of OIN [21:02] schestowitz-TR so it never moans about what they do [21:02] XFaCE MinceR: nice [21:02] schestowitz-TR too many things FSF cannot comment on [21:02] XFaCE MinceR: state-enabled corporate invading the volunteer communities of software [21:02] schestowitz-TR so FSF cannot eb revolutionary anymore [21:03] schestowitz-TR say x, lose money from y and z [21:03] XFaCE Isn't OIN primarily IBM-enabled and founded? [21:03] TR News #Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159891 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:03] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [21:03] schestowitz-TR XFaCE: 6 co-founders [21:03] schestowitz-TR but IBM the most powerful of them [21:04] schestowitz-TR also OIN's first CEO was from IBM [21:04] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:04] TR News #FreeSoftware Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159892 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:04] TR Bot Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [21:04] TR News Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159893 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:04] TR Bot Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers | Tux Machines [21:04] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159894 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:04] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [21:05] schestowitz-TR International Bailout Maggots [21:05] schestowitz-TR funded by governmentsd [21:05] schestowitz-TR you are not their client [21:05] schestowitz-TR politicians are [21:06] schestowitz-TR to Microsoft, the users also not clients either [21:06] schestowitz-TR Dell, HP etc. are [21:06] schestowitz-TR so they push them to not ever install gnu/linux [21:06] XFaCE a lot of the more public-facing employees of IBM even act like intelligence agents [21:06] *leah has quit (connection closed) [21:06] schestowitz-TR or settle on 'WSL' [21:06] MinceR that doesn't make much sense to me [21:06] schestowitz-TR as a compromise [21:06] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [21:06] schestowitz-TR misnamed Windows [21:06] *leah has quit (connection closed) [21:06] MinceR after all, MICROS~1 would attempt to "whack" dHell over offering alternative OS-es [21:06] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [21:06] psydroid4 with Pluton becoming a reality on AMD, Intel, Qualcomm and possibly more chips the time has come for free software gaming and game development to take off [21:06] XFaCE should leah or should she go [21:07] XFaCE if she go there will be trouble [21:07] XFaCE and if she stay there will be double [21:07] XFaCE so c'mon and let me know [21:07] MinceR Shego? [21:07] psydroid4 rock the leah [21:07] XFaCE MICROS~1 lol MinceR [21:08] psydroid4 "I would like to have one bag of MICROS~1 and one bag of CHEETOS~1, please!" [21:09] TR News Links 4/1/2022: Ingo Molnars Latest Work and #KaOS 2022.01 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/01/04/kaos-2022-01/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/01/04/kaos-2022-01/ [21:09] TR Bot Links 4/1/2022: Ingo Molnars Latest Work and KaOS 2022.01 | Techrights [21:09] schestowitz-TR psydroid4: Pluton the dog? [21:09] schestowitz-TR "yo dawg, I herd you thought Microsoft was for security..." [21:10] psydroid4 schestowitz-TR, be sure to kick that puppy to get a feel for it [21:10] MinceR pluton as in the igneous intrusion [21:10] XFaCE Microsoft is for integrating software packages and calling it "integrated windows functionality" [21:10] schestowitz-TR psydroid4: CHEETOS~1 too long [21:10] schestowitz-TR FAT would make it CHEETO~1 ... -2.. [21:10] XFaCE It isn't software, it's components [21:11] schestowitz-TR psydroid4: be careful, James Z will send you to therapists [21:13] TR News Contrary to what misleading media in the #uk is saying (yes, a #misinformation source), only half of the British population got "booster", based on #nhs data [21:14] psydroid4 schestowitz-TR, I am not afraid of that, those therapists may need to see therapists themselves after meeting me [21:15] leah XFaCE: is that a reference to a song? it seems familiar [21:16] XFaCE Yes, it is "Should I stay or should I go" by the Clash [21:16] TR News 271,686 more #covid19 cases (tested positive) in #france today. Does that mean more deaths? Of course. 351! Of course the COVIDiots online claim that this approach of letting it 'out on the loose' would mean nothing bad. The hospitals won't be available, even if you're young and are invulnerable to COVID-19. [21:16] *Noisytoot_ is now known as Noisytoot [21:19] AdmFubar https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/03/liquid-death-lands-75-million-more-in-funding-including-to-roll-out-flavored-water/ [21:19] Alternative link Cloudflare: techcrunch.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/03/liquid-death-lands-75-million-more-in-funding-including-to-roll-out-flavored-water/ [21:19] TR Bot Death lands $75M more to expand the brand TechCrunch [21:19] schestowitz "flavored-water" [21:19] schestowitz I remember seeing this thing [21:19] schestowitz it's called... wait [21:20] XFaCE flavoured* [21:20] schestowitz like when you mix h2o with something else [21:21] schestowitz chips = flavoured potatoes [21:22] leah flavoured bacteria [21:22] leah (yoghurt) [21:24] schestowitz-TR "MAY contain milk" [21:32] AdmFubar https://games.slashdot.org/story/22/01/03/2217219/over-140000-gaming-firms-close-as-china-continues-new-license-freeze?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed [21:32] Alternative link Cloudflare: slashdot.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://games.slashdot.org/story/22/01/03/2217219/over-140000-gaming-firms-close-as-china-continues-new-license-freeze?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed [21:32] TR Bot Over 140,000 Gaming Firms Close As China Continues New License Freeze - Slashdot [21:34] coodre__ china really hates gaming [21:35] AdmFubar https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28212 [21:35] TR Bot A Simple Batch File That Blocks People [21:36] AdmFubar no they only like the game of politics [21:37] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.03 k/sec., IPFS upstream 95.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.37 [21:39] psydroid4 now "commenters" are saying that talk of this Pluton stuff preventing GNU/Linux from being installed is "FUD" [21:40] *psydroid4 feels the entire current computer industry is compromised and must go away [21:41] coodre__ how? does it contain secure boot forced on, and keys unmodifiable [21:42] psydroid4 it contains a Microsoft backdoor in silicon [21:42] psydroid4 be afraid, be very afraid and walk away [21:42] psydroid4 or run [21:44] *Noisytoot_ is now known as Noisytoot [21:45] coodre__ the only thing that makes it work is the BIOS, and maybe microsoft is gonna coerce manufactors to put the security chip in and make their BIOS use it [21:45] coodre__ if the BIOS doesn't interact with the chip, how is it gonna work [21:46] psydroid4 *every* CPU from Intel, AMD and Qualcomm will contain it going forward [21:46] MinceR "security" chip [21:47] coodre__ we need to switch architectures [21:47] psydroid4 I already have [21:47] MinceR to what? [21:47] coodre__ mips? m68k? [21:47] MinceR ARM typically comes with TrustZone or ThreadX [21:47] MinceR is anyone even selling MIPS or m68k anymore? [21:47] psydroid4 anything that works for us [21:47] MinceR what will run a "modern" website? [21:48] psydroid4 "modern" websites don't run, they crawl [21:48] coodre__ anything with enough processing power. unless the websites are programmed in x86 assembly [21:48] MinceR :> [21:48] psydroid4 not even that [21:48] psydroid4 but I don't want to visit such websites anyway [21:50] coodre__ i'm pretty sure this whole pluton shit can be avoided if you switch to old PCs [21:51] psydroid4 there is plenty to choose out of ARM, RISC-V, POWER, MIPS, M68K, Alpha, SPARC [21:51] psydroid4 sure, but I don't want to do so [21:51] psydroid4 those often consume too much power compared to more "modern" hardware [21:52] psydroid4 and what will you do when the old PCs die? [21:53] psydroid4 I still have a few here for specific use cases, but I am aware they could break any time [21:55] coodre__ the problem is when vendors care about their windoze cerification so much they're willing to put anything in their hardware, how do you fight back [21:55] psydroid4 you don't fight back [21:55] psydroid4 not when they set the rules [21:56] psydroid4 you invest in alternatives [21:56] psydroid4 and stop caring about closed source x86 software, especially games [21:57] psydroid4 x86 windoze games are a form of lock-in too [21:57] SomeH4x0r Wine? [21:57] coodre__ theres a website called apollo core, they're claiming to make some modern m68k cpu [21:57] psydroid4 that's still a workaround for a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place [21:57] SomeH4x0r though Wine loads my CPU more than the same game run on Windows? [21:57] SomeH4x0r *Windows. [21:58] psydroid4 I don't know about that, I don't really use Windows ● Jan 04 [22:00] psydroid4 coodre__, it shouldn't be too hard to get those chips produced and build systems with them [22:00] psydroid4 there is also j-core that is compatible with SH4 [22:07] psydroid4 https://www.cnx-software.com/2017/03/13/turtle-board-is-a-raspberry-pi-2-like-fpga-board-for-j-core-j2-open-source-superh-sh2-soc/ [22:07] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2017/03/13/turtle-board-is-a-raspberry-pi-2-like-fpga-board-for-j-core-j2-open-source-superh-sh2-soc/ [22:07] TR Bot Turtle Board is a Raspberry Pi 2 Like FPGA Board for J-Core J2 Open Source SuperH SH2 SoC - CNX Software [22:08] coodre__ the problem would be finding a GPU that's compatible with it (or am i wrong?) [22:10] *coodre___ (~no@4ucjih86t6eka.irc) has joined #techrights [22:10] psydroid4 https://lists.j-core.org/pipermail/j-core/2021-June/000975.html [22:10] TR Bot [J-core] Did anybody do anything with those turtle boards? [22:10] *tech_exorcist has quit (connection closed) [22:10] *tech_exorcist (~tech_exorcist@kxgbrhbcjzafi.irc) has joined #techrights [22:11] psydroid4 I think it has some support for graphics? [22:11] *coodre__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:12] psydroid4 https://libre-soc.org/3d_gpu/ [22:12] TR Bot 3d gpu [22:12] psydroid4 I hope this isn't going to be some kind of vapourware [22:14] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:14] *activelow (~activelow@a9k4we53x83yu.irc) has joined #techrights [22:15] *anontor has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:16] coodre___ some of the amiga (m68k) GPUs already has unofficial Xorg drivers [22:16] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:16] *anontor (~anontor@67zjs569zg7us.irc) has joined #techrights [22:17] AdmFubar they would know ! wouldn't theny? https://www.rawstory.com/melania-trump-bitcoin/ [22:17] Alternative link Cloudflare: rawstory.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rawstory.com/melania-trump-bitcoin/ [22:17] TR Bot Melania Trump promotes Bitcoin from her official account days after her husband suggests crypto is a scam - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism [22:25] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [22:25] psydroid4 the disingenuous thing about Pluton in chips isn't that it exists, but that its supporters are saying it's not a big deal [22:25] psydroid4 "Vista telemetry is not a big deal, you can disable it" [22:26] psydroid4 "Secure Boot is not a big deal, just disable it in uEFI" [22:26] psydroid4 "The TPM isn't enabled by default, so no need to worry" [22:27] psydroid4 they want to force these things onto people and at the same time they don't want them to have alternatives to flock to [22:29] schestowitz https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/04/riscv_cto_interview/ [22:29] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/04/riscv_cto_interview/ [22:29] TR Bot RISC-V CTO: We're not chip dictators like Arm or x86 The Register [22:29] schestowitz "I talked to somebody from Microsoft. They're not there yet. But they're in a bunch of Linux Foundation things. When we get in the room, all we want to do is be good engineers. Is Windows in RISC-V's future? Probably. Is it sometime soon? Probably not." [22:30] MinceR https://www.oglaf.com/prickles/ [22:30] TR Bot Prickles [22:32] psydroid4 and even then, what is Microsoft going to do? [22:32] schestowitz-TR make windows work on 100mb of ram [22:32] psydroid4 port Windows to every architecture out there? [22:33] TR News "Right now is a really interesting time to be involved in Linux gaming, it's absolutely not perfect but we're in the middle of it becoming absolutely incredible a few short years from now. Today Linus is right about Linux gaming but not for long." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HeJosuGLq0c [22:33] psydroid4 and have no applications that people want to use? [22:33] TR Bot Linus Is Right About Linux Gaming... For Now - Invidious [22:33] MinceR spend tons of money on ads shitting on all architectures they haven't ported Backdoors to [22:33] psydroid4 they know they've painted themselves into a corner they are never going to get out of [22:33] coodre___ even if microsoft ported windows to risc-v, it would have no program support, because all the proprietary software is stuck on x86 [22:33] psydroid4 so they are just delaying the inevitable [22:34] TR News #GarudaLinux 220101 Cinnamon Run Through - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AnnP_2uG1MM #video #invidious #gnu #linux [22:34] TR Bot Garuda Linux 220101 Cinnamon Run Through - Invidious [22:34] psydroid4 and that's all that their actions are about these days [22:35] psydroid4 not only do they want to take the entire software industry down with them, they also want to take the entire hardware industry down with them [22:35] TR News #WordPress 5.9 RC 1 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159895 #GPL #CMS #freesw #TuxMachines [22:35] TR Bot WordPress 5.9 RC 1 | Tux Machines [22:35] TR News #RISCV CTO: Were not chip dictators like Arm or #x86 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159896 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:35] TR Bot RISC-V CTO: We're not chip dictators like Arm or x86 | Tux Machines [22:35] schestowitz-TR psydroid4: to be fair, [22:36] schestowitz-TR miss redmond [22:36] schestowitz-TR from risc-v [22:36] psydroid4 megalomania [22:36] schestowitz-TR et al [22:36] schestowitz-TR not sounding too keen on microsoft [22:36] schestowitz-TR just being polite [22:36] schestowitz-TR " Is Windows in RISC-V's future? Probably. Is it sometime soon? Probably not."' [22:36] schestowitz-TR probably not [22:36] psydroid4 schestowitz-TR, they know it would be a huge net disadvantage to get Microsoft involved [22:36] schestowitz-TR they talk about 'linux' foundation [22:36] schestowitz-TR the infiltration vector [22:36] schestowitz-TR psydroid4: yes, like olpc [22:36] schestowitz-TR and a year ago they saw what happened to raspi [22:36] schestowitz-TR huge blowbback [22:37] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@zgk86ipra9utw.irc) has joined #techrights [22:37] schestowitz-TR and lack of interest from the community [22:37] DaemonFC The guy at Walgreens wouldn't let me finish my Hepatitis A vaccination because I was....two weeks early. [22:37] psydroid4 Windows on Raspi is a hobby project and nothing more than a second-class citizen [22:37] DaemonFC So since Vaccine Hitler wouldn't let me do that and Jewel we next door, I just bumped up my Prevnar 13 appointment for today. [22:38] DaemonFC That knocks out 13 serotypes of Pneumonia that I shouldn't be susceptible to in a couple of weeks. Next shot is the PPV23 dose from Merck in 12 months. [22:39] DaemonFC Oh these Pneumonia bacteria are just nasty shit. [22:39] DaemonFC They can do all sorts of things from ear infections, to sinus infections, to in the hospital about to die, to bacterial meningitis. [22:40] DaemonFC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urZLTobAfJc [22:40] TR Bot Vs. Anti-Vaxxer | House M.D. - YouTube [22:41] psydroid4 schestowitz-TR, Raspi foundation thought they might grow with Microsoft, but it wouldn't be organic growth [22:41] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:41] psydroid4 and without Microsoft's support they would fall by the wayside pretty quickly [22:42] MinceR lol [22:42] psydroid4 because at that point it would be Microsoft setting the agenda and not them [22:42] TR News #PyPI is not trustworthy: zaitcev LiveJournal https://zaitcev.livejournal.com/263602.html #zaitcev #python #programming [22:42] TR Bot PyPI is not trustworthy: zaitcev LiveJournal [22:43] AdmFubar https://hackaday.com/2022/01/04/growing-spectacular-gem-like-crystals-from-rust-and-simple-ingredients/ [22:43] TR Bot Spectacular Gem-Like Crystals From Rust And Simple Ingredients | Hackaday [22:44] TR News #outreachy outsourced to #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware :/ https://vanessa-kris.github.io/week5-blog-post.html [22:44] TR Bot Vanessa's Blog | Week5 Blog Post [22:45] TR News The #Cucumber House That #LEGO Built | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2022/01/04/the-cucumber-house-that-lego-built/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/01/04/#latest [22:45] TR Bot Cucumber House That LEGO Built | Hackaday [22:45] TR Bot Social Control Media Posts [22:46] TR News "The finished panel is driven by a combination of a Teensy 3.2 to generate the data signals and a Raspberry Pi to process the images." https://hackaday.com/2022/01/04/modular-design-enables-huge-ping-pong-ball-led-displays/ [22:46] TR Bot Design Enables Huge Ping-Pong Ball LED Displays | Hackaday [22:47] DaemonFC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5rlAjuwdLQ [22:47] TR Bot Borg Collective Speaks - A Star Trek Compilation - YouTube [22:47] DaemonFC Freedom is irrelevant. Self-determination is irrelevant. You must comply! [22:47] DaemonFC Okay, Democrat! [22:48] *coodre___ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:49] *immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:49] TR News Mike Blumenkrantz: "I came back to the gift of a new CS:GO version which adds DXVK support, so now theres also Gallium Nine support. It works fine." https://www.supergoodcode.com/choo-choo/ [22:49] TR Bot Choo Choo Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code. [22:51] *immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [22:53] schestowitz MinceR: when anti-vaxer meant against vaccination [22:53] schestowitz and not a person who doesn't assume every single thing in the market is holy [22:54] *coodre (~no@4ucjih86t6eka.irc) has joined #techrights [22:54] AdmFubar yeah it seems intel in done for https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/intel-mobileye-eyeq-autonomous-driving [22:54] TR Bot newest autonomous driving chip from Intel's Mobileye doesn't have any of Intel's core tech - Protocol The people, power and politics of tech [22:54] schestowitz yeah, I saw it [22:54] schestowitz see above [22:54] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #techrights [22:54] schestowitz phoronix and linuxgizmo jumped up and down in excitement [22:55] schestowitz some new intel excitement [22:55] schestowitz must be "Linux" news [22:55] schestowitz not excrement [22:55] schestowitz excitement [22:55] schestowitz 30-watt CPUs [22:56] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/01/04/riscv_cto_interview/ [22:56] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/01/04/riscv_cto_interview/ [22:56] TR Bot RISC-V CTO: We're not chip dictators like Arm or x86 The Register [22:56] *immibis (~hexchat@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [22:56] *immibis (~hexchat@62.156.144.218) has joined #techrights [22:57] TR News Today in Planet #fedora ... "Fedora Has Too Many Security Bugs" :-) https://mivehind.net/2022/01/04/Fedora-has-too-many-security-bugs-3/ #ibm #redhat [22:57] TR Bot Fedora Has Too Many Security Bugs 3 [22:58] TR News Video Editing with Linux: All About B-roll - Purism https://puri.sm/posts/video-editing-with-linux-all-about-b-roll/ #purism #gnu #linux [22:58] TR Bot Video Editing with Linux: All About B-roll Purism ● Jan 04 [23:00] DaemonFC I got some LOLs on my comment about Siri. [23:00] TR News Judging GNOME/KDE or GTK/Qt from the lens of malicious and proprietary Microsoft software that spies on the users https://blog.vladzahorodnii.com/2021/12/31/more-consistent-font-rendering-in-plasma/ [23:00] TR Bot More consistent font rendering in Plasma Vlad Zahorodnii's Blog [23:02] *frankenstein has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:02] DaemonFC At least Bill isn't wrong about one thing. [23:02] DaemonFC Real hamburgers are awesome. [23:03] DaemonFC Even more so with cheese. [23:03] MinceR 04 234743 < DaemonFC> Freedom is irrelevant. Self-determination is irrelevant. You must comply! [23:03] MinceR OK, microsoft [23:03] DaemonFC Okay, Viktor. [23:04] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: does bill like pizza too? [23:04] schestowitz-TR maybe he can speak to DrPizza [23:04] DaemonFC This is Bill. Bill likes puddin'.....Puddin' his dick where it don't belong. [23:04] schestowitz-TR he can visit him in prison now [23:04] DaemonFC Different Bill, but still applies. [23:04] schestowitz-TR Peter Bright "Dr Pizza" is noty dead yet [23:04] schestowitz-TR Bill can go visit him [23:05] schestowitz-TR and if it does not work out, then "well, he's dead" [23:05] DaemonFC Oh God, is that who DrPizza was? [23:05] DaemonFC I vaguely recall him. [23:05] schestowitz-TR arrested for raping kids [23:05] schestowitz-TR Microsoft Peter [23:05] DaemonFC Trolled us? [23:05] schestowitz-TR from Arse Technically Pedophile [23:05] schestowitz-TR yes, he came here to IRC [23:06] schestowitz-TR he was Microsoft's media operative in Conde Nasty [23:06] DaemonFC Yes, schestowitz-TR. This COVID-19 shit is doing damage to legitimate vaccines. [23:06] schestowitz-TR preparing puff pieces for the GitHub takeover [23:06] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: it ought not [23:06] DaemonFC Which were developed over many years, which are known to work and be safe, and eliminate the disease they target (if most people take them), [23:06] schestowitz-TR a vaccine tried and tested for decades is likely finew [23:06] schestowitz-TR *fine [23:07] schestowitz-TR if people reject all vaccines because of Mandate Joe, then maybe they were antivax all along [23:07] DaemonFC Yes, I went ahead with the Pneumonia one because I had a talk with the doctor and she said it was possible that what I had last month was Pneumonia and that as you age, you are likely to suffer it worse. [23:07] DaemonFC And that the vaccines substantially reduce the threat. [23:09] DaemonFC So now that I'm sure what I had last month is gone, I want to make sure I get the vaccines now, before anything can happen to my health insurance. [23:09] DaemonFC I have to come back next year for the other one. [23:09] schestowitz-TR if you lock yourself 'down', vaccines are becoming less urgent [23:09] schestowitz-TR as you come in contact with fewer things [23:09] schestowitz-TR other than just covid-19 [23:10] DaemonFC if people reject all vaccines because of Mandate Joe, then maybe they were antivax all along [23:10] DaemonFC If this were about public health, there'd be mandates for vaccines that we know work. [23:10] DaemonFC There's nastier stuff floating around than COVID. [23:10] schestowitz-TR yeah [23:10] schestowitz-TR wait [23:10] schestowitz-TR I said "yeah" [23:10] schestowitz-TR to the first statement [23:10] schestowitz-TR no the second [23:10] schestowitz-TR about mandates still not required for things like measles [23:11] DaemonFC Hepatitis A is nastier than COVID. [23:11] schestowitz-TR which means they still spread in some communities [23:11] schestowitz-TR about nastiness of things, socivd-19 seems worse [23:11] DaemonFC It's not as widespread, BECAUSE of the vaccination, but only some people have gotten the vaccination. [23:11] schestowitz-TR long incubation period, fast spread etc. [23:11] DaemonFC We should press forward and eradicate Hepatitis A and B. [23:11] schestowitz-TR you cannot [23:11] DaemonFC The government should cover the cost of those. [23:11] DaemonFC They're not expensive. [23:11] schestowitz-TR it'll come from other countries [23:12] DaemonFC Not if almost everyone here is immune to it. [23:12] TR News New GNU/Linux Videos: Video Editing, Garuda Linux, and "Linus Is Right About Linux Gaming" Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/159897 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:12] TR Bot New GNU/Linux Videos: Video Editing, Garuda Linux, and "Linus Is Right About Linux Gaming" | Tux Machines [23:13] DaemonFC Herd Immunity is sort of a firewall. If you get 80-90% of the people vaccinated and it's a very effective vaccine, there's hardly any way the disease could become widespread again. [23:13] DaemonFC Viruses that mutate into a hundred more things every year, you can't really control or contain them. [23:14] DaemonFC But the vaccine they started giving in the 70s for Hepatitis B still protects people all these years later. [23:14] DaemonFC So COVID is perhaps not a great target for a vaccine, but plenty of things are. [23:14] tech_exorcist haven't been reading the channel, but does Hepatitis B mutate as much as COVID does? [23:14] DaemonFC No, it doesn't. [23:15] DaemonFC In fact, one of the things doctors do as part of HIV case management for people who have that is.... [23:15] DaemonFC Bring them up to date with their vaccines. [23:15] tech_exorcist I see [23:15] DaemonFC You don't want them to get something else and have to try to treat that too. [23:15] tech_exorcist makes sense [23:16] DaemonFC And people should quit being so selfish and ignorant, because that's what anti-vax is. [23:16] DaemonFC It's ignorance of the facts, and selfishness based on that ignorance. [23:16] DaemonFC You can most likely tolerate every adult vaccine out there. [23:16] DaemonFC They do work. [23:17] DaemonFC If you get them, it can save the lives of others, because the disease won't vector through you. [23:18] DaemonFC I had hoped that COVID wouldn't mutate quickly and that the vaccine would stop me from getting it and thereby transmitting it. [23:18] DaemonFC But it can still happen because it did mutate quickly. [23:19] DaemonFC This is going to turn into another flu shot. [23:19] DaemonFC The flu shots aren't very effective and they wear off after about 6 months. [23:19] DaemonFC So you have to time them to kick in right before flu season, and even then you're looking at an average efficacy of about 50%. [23:20] tech_exorcist I see [23:21] DaemonFC This year, they say 99% of flu circulating in the US is H3N2, but it's not a good match for the H3N2 in the vaccine. [23:21] DaemonFC There are subtypes, and it's a different subtype going around than what they planned for. [23:22] DaemonFC An imperfect match can still reduce the symptoms, but it won't stop you from getting the flu. [23:22] DaemonFC They've been looking for a "universal flu shot" forever that won't need to change every year. [23:22] DaemonFC Now they're talking about an mRNA-based flu shot. [23:23] DaemonFC The ones we use now are basically not much different than the method the US military developed in the 1940s. [23:23] DaemonFC So we're talking about a technology stuck in the era of World War II. [23:24] TR News ini.techrights.org/2022/01/04/osi-dialogue/ [23:24] *leah has quit (connection closed) [23:24] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [23:24] schestowitz Dialogue With the #OSI Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/01/04/osi-dialogue/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/01/04/osi-dialogue/ [23:24] TR Bot Dialogue With the OSI | Techrights [23:26] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: Disconnecting) [23:33] *coodre has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:37] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.83 k/sec., IPFS upstream 231.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.34 [23:49] activelow DaemonFC: the argument i heard of was "prevent excess hospitalization", which it didn't; otherwise anything you said is not verified and/or contradicted by recent reports [23:50] DaemonFC I just bought us some tickets to the aquarium. [23:50] DaemonFC Illinois resident free day. [23:50] DaemonFC $3 service charge is the only fee. [23:51] DaemonFC Mayor Shithead actually did us a favor. [23:51] DaemonFC 40% of the adults and 62% of the children are "unvassinated" and won't be able to go. [23:51] DaemonFC Bestest Free Day Ever! [23:51] DaemonFC schestowitz, ^ [23:52] schestowitz-TR ? [23:52] DaemonFC It gets rid of those obnoxious kids that are all over the place on the free days. [23:52] schestowitz-TR masks and distance help [23:52] schestowitz-TR also, what do they care? [23:52] schestowitz-TR they are not hospitals [23:52] schestowitz-TR these people risk their own lives [23:52] DaemonFC And you can only go on the free days because shit's so expensive now. [23:53] DaemonFC It stands to reason if kids have to be vaccinated and only about 38% of the kids in Chicago are, then there will be at least 62% less kids vs. normal [23:54] DaemonFC We might even be able to sit and enjoy the visit.