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MinceRhttps://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/16/0f56860386b3c2c7.jpgFeb 04 00:18
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DaemonFC[m]https://www.computerworld.com/article/3199425/top-web-browsers-2020-edge-passes-ie-for-the-first-time-4-12-years-after-launch.htmlFeb 04 01:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Top web browsers 2020: Edge passes IE for the first time, 4-1/2 years after launch | ComputerworldFeb 04 01:34
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MinceRhttps://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/017/046/BptVE1JIEAAA3dT.jpgFeb 04 01:47
DaemonFC[m]If Google was a guy.Feb 04 01:55
DaemonFC[m]Woman: Boston Marathon bombers.Feb 04 01:55
DaemonFC[m]Google: That was a real tragedy...Feb 04 01:56
DaemonFC[m]Woman: Cute one!Feb 04 01:56
DaemonFC[m]Google: Come on!Feb 04 01:56
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: RK3288 SBC offers HDMI 2.0 plus M.2 and mini-PCIe expansion http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133696 [https://pleroma.site/objects/11d74183-de6e-4181-8a24-cf38ea7144b4]Feb 04 02:40
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Threats, Violence, Suicide, Palestine and Censorship in Debian http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133699 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d62bddb8-7623-4790-9ccf-8c9f9a35a973]Feb 04 02:58
schestowitz[01:47] <MinceR> https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/017/046/BptVE1JIEAAA3dT.jpgFeb 04 03:07
schestowitzI don't quite get tFeb 04 03:07
schestowitzOr... maybe there's not much to itFeb 04 03:08
schestowitz[01:34] <DaemonFC[m]> https://www.computerworld.com/article/3199425/top-web-browsers-2020-edge-passes-ie-for-the-first-time-4-12-years-after-launch.htmlFeb 04 03:08
schestowitzbased on one companyFeb 04 03:08
schestowitzrather meaninglessFeb 04 03:08
schestowitzI can imagine who wrote thisFeb 04 03:08
schestowitzwithout even clickingFeb 04 03:08
schestowitzprobably Greg  KeizerFeb 04 03:09
schestowitzarticle based on nothing but some site with numbers in itFeb 04 03:09
schestowitzshallow 'news'Feb 04 03:09
MinceRIDG "news"Feb 04 03:09
schestowitzMade in  CHinaFeb 04 03:10
schestowitzcheaplyFeb 04 03:10
schestowitzonce upon a time they did expensive, long reviewsFeb 04 03:10
schestowitzand benchmarksFeb 04 03:10
schestowitza decade ago it became a joke of a news sitesFeb 04 03:10
schestowitzwith anti-Linux writers in a so-called "Open Source Subnet"Feb 04 03:11
schestowitzbrb teaFeb 04 03:11
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR Apple sudo has a bug where you can become root by piping a bunch of random crap to it when it asks for a password. Feb 04 03:51
MinceR:>Feb 04 03:52
schestowitzI use suFeb 04 03:52
schestowitzalso, buster is apparently not affecredFeb 04 03:52
schestowitzso we're all goodFeb 04 03:52
schestowitzthis seems to put at risk shared users' machinesFeb 04 03:52
schestowitzwhere some users are not considered trustworthyFeb 04 03:53
MinceRif they're running macos, they're at risk regardlessFeb 04 03:53
schestowitzin web  hosting settings they usually have no shell access eitherFeb 04 03:53
schestowitznot direct anywayFeb 04 03:53
schestowitzMinceR: from the state, too..Feb 04 03:53
schestowitzit's designed for security... maybe against Russian governmentFeb 04 03:53
schestowitzthe "evil" "hackers"Feb 04 03:53
schestowitznot US govFeb 04 03:53
schestowitzThe GoodGuys(R)Feb 04 03:54
schestowitz>> http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133660Feb 04 03:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Updates From FOSDEM: Daniel 'Curl' Stenberg on HTTP/3 and GNU Poke Adding Hyperlink Support | Tux MachinesFeb 04 03:59
schestowitz>>Feb 04 03:59
schestowitz> In Daniel's presentation, he mentions that QUIC currently uses 2 to 3Feb 04 03:59
schestowitz> times the CPU as HTTP/1.1  At a global scale that amounts to a lot ofFeb 04 03:59
schestowitz> electricity, an thus a lot of fossil carbon, for no gain.  Getting ridFeb 04 04:00
schestowitz> of the crap from the web pages, globally, would also reduce the burdenFeb 04 04:00
schestowitz> on the routing infrastructure.Feb 04 04:00
schestowitzIn a relative scale, packet switching and the likes of that don't contribute as much as cars, planes etc.Feb 04 04:00
schestowitzSo I think we also need to set priorities right to combat heating.Feb 04 04:00
schestowitzDaniel and I are in very good terms online, BTW.... we talk occasionally.Feb 04 04:00
MinceRdon't forget power generation, home heating and shipsFeb 04 04:03
MinceRthose all pollute a lot more than cars, afaikFeb 04 04:03
schestowitzriiightFeb 04 04:03
schestowitzdatacentres also do more than switchingFeb 04 04:03
schestowitzthings like data-miningFeb 04 04:04
schestowitzlots of cpu coreFeb 04 04:04
schestowitzcoresFeb 04 04:04
DaemonFC[m]My ad blocker says that overall it blocks 11% of requests, but those are more than 11% of bandwidth because they're some of the biggest offenders.Feb 04 04:51
DaemonFC[m]Then I don't have to spend RAM and CPU cycles and cache it.Feb 04 04:52
DaemonFC[m]Some sites are so bad thst nearly half the requests are crap. Feb 04 04:52
DaemonFC[m]By number of requests blocked, CNN and Phoronix are pretty bad.Feb 04 04:52
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Pine 64 previews RK3399 based HardRock64 SBC and SoEdge AI module http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133700 [https://pleroma.site/objects/958ea76b-a4df-44d9-80f8-9ac72a29d8a1]Feb 04 04:55
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Screencasts and Shows: OpenMandriva 4.1 Run Through, Late Night Linux, Linux Headlines and Python Bytes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133702 [https://pleroma.site/objects/557c64c5-545d-4ceb-b07c-b77515a57629]Feb 04 05:04
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 4/2/2020: #TLP 1.3 and #GodotEngine MegaGrant http://techrights.org/2020/02/04/godot-engine-megagrant/ #techrights #gnu #linux [https://pleroma.site/objects/e86aba26-b618-430e-b00d-5bcf43571ac9]Feb 04 07:59
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Managing your attached hardware on Linux with systemd-udevd http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133705 [https://pleroma.site/objects/01722703-3936-4d0a-82d2-4238ff853b58]Feb 04 08:50
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psydroidthe latest tactics Microsoft cult members (so those who don't work at the company directly but are enablers) employ are to cite desktop numbers from Statcounter where Windows has 77% market share, but not numbers over all devices where its market share is less than 40%Feb 04 10:00
psydroidand when you call them out for using deception, they stop respondingFeb 04 10:00
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schestowitzpsydroid: morningFeb 04 10:11
schestowitzyes, don't waste time on themFeb 04 10:12
psydroidmorning schestowitzFeb 04 10:12
schestowitzbetter focus on facts, post them separatelyFeb 04 10:12
schestowitzMicrosoft is evasiveFeb 04 10:12
schestowitztheir fans are morally like fraudsters Feb 04 10:12
schestowitzsee this...:Feb 04 10:12
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2019/12/05/wsl-secrets/Feb 04 10:13
psydroidwell, it gives me an insight into how they are thinking, which is worth something tooFeb 04 10:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Staff Repeatedly Refuses to Tell How Many People Use WSL, Defends Patent Extortion and Blackmail of Linux Instead | TechrightsFeb 04 10:13
schestowitzMicrosoft #wsl boosters said they'd share usage numbers. Guess what. They didn't . Because they're liars and they're promoting criminals (found guilty, too). http://techrights.org/2019/12/05/wsl-secrets/Feb 04 10:13
schestowitznow they lie about Azu reFeb 04 10:14
schestowitznot sure if you noticed Feb 04 10:14
schestowitzand some 'news' sites relay and  repeat those liesFeb 04 10:14
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psydreadI have noticed and I have caught up with all recent articles on techrightsFeb 04 10:19
psydreadthe new thing is that they are losing on their home turf (desktop) too nowFeb 04 10:19
psydreadbeing eroded by android, chromeos, ipados, gnu/linux etc.Feb 04 10:20
schestowitzyes, there is more to it than thatFeb 04 10:23
schestowitzthey are 100% dead in mobileFeb 04 10:23
schestowitzso now they are "apps" companyFeb 04 10:23
schestowitzand I think they still use patent extortion to preload those appsFeb 04 10:23
schestowitzin servers they decelineFeb 04 10:23
schestowitzdeclineFeb 04 10:23
schestowitzand they try to grab "LUUUNIX" by the balls to still claim shareFeb 04 10:23
schestowitzbut I see no evidence of many using MSFT for hostingFeb 04 10:24
schestowitzMSFT even shut down entire DATACENTRES recentlyFeb 04 10:24
schestowitz(of course they made BS unbelievable excuses)Feb 04 10:24
schestowitzgo around the web, psydread, correct, these lies...Feb 04 10:24
schestowitzas Microsoft spends a lot of money to keep the lies flowingFeb 04 10:24
schestowitzand no single group can counter all these PR firmsFeb 04 10:24
psydreadI have been doing that for years and also identified shills/astroturfers who have infiltrated so-called technology news sitesFeb 04 10:26
psydreadI have to give Microsoft this, they have built the best PR machinery in modern timesFeb 04 10:27
schestowitzyes, Microsoft Peter in Ars is oneFeb 04 10:32
schestowitztheir WHOLE Open Source section was just himFeb 04 10:32
schestowitzand everything there was Microsoft's liesFeb 04 10:32
schestowitzit was amazingFeb 04 10:32
schestowitzlike the only open source company was MicrosoftFeb 04 10:32
schestowitzand then he was arrestedFeb 04 10:32
schestowitzafter he had raped kids for yearsFeb 04 10:32
schestowitzand confessed to an FBI informantFeb 04 10:33
schestowitzthat's one heck of a way t o control a mole, threat of arrestFeb 04 10:33
schestowitzChief PR exec at Microsoft came from the military.Feb 04 10:37
schestowitzShaw IIRC Feb 04 10:37
schestowitzBut  someone from Microsoft told me thisFeb 04 10:37
schestowitzI did not verify for myselfFeb 04 10:37
schestowitzapparently the father of Brad Smith is also military/oilFeb 04 10:38
schestowitzsome dodgy Haliburton thingFeb 04 10:38
psydreadthe main thing I am thinking of is that if they are bleeding so much money that they have to shut down several datacentres in the wake of Azure's failure, what that implies for their overall financial situation as it pertains to their accounting booksFeb 04 10:43
psydreadso obviously they need more people to take care of making a positive spinFeb 04 10:49
schestowitzyes, proportionalFeb 04 11:02
schestowitzotherwise facts speak for themselvesFeb 04 11:02
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/02/03/azure-lies/Feb 04 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft “Azure” (or “Cloud”) Results Are Most Likely an Elaborate Fraud | TechrightsFeb 04 11:03
schestowitzread the Gates quote at the bottomFeb 04 11:03
schestowitzI put it there for a reasonFeb 04 11:03
psydreadI've known this for a long time, but it still gets new users who conflate a good-looking appearance with a good productFeb 04 11:07
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Microsoft patches serious security flaws in Azure http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133707 [https://pleroma.site/objects/da0a5849-7b1c-4840-b1b1-d6715ad2e2fa]Feb 04 11:19
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liberty_boxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0cAx1jLbJkFeb 04 14:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Koala Gets Kicked Out Of Tree and Cries! - YouTubeFeb 04 14:18
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oiaohmliberty_box:  https://www.publish.csiro.au/wr/WR9800177   Reality is that video is most likely a young Koala who is refusing to leave home.Feb 04 14:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.publish.csiro.au | CSIRO PUBLISHING | Wildlife ResearchFeb 04 14:48
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133708 [https://pleroma.site/objects/41ed58ef-f62d-463c-abe6-e14b6c639bd0]Feb 04 15:03
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Raspberry Pi, Stadia and Lots of Games http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133710 [https://pleroma.site/objects/60101781-67a0-4fa4-8b4d-02cb5221f1b8]Feb 04 15:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Flatseal Review: Managing Permissions for Flatpak Apps Has Never Been Easier http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133709 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3c59808c-3f68-4a2b-9e5c-85444320f481]Feb 04 15:29
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DaemonFC[m]> I've known this for a long time, but it still gets new users who conflate a good-looking appearance with a good productFeb 04 15:47
DaemonFC[m]Well, that's probably why Ubuntu is going on a bug hunt fixing performance issues with GNOME 3 that have gone unaddressed this entire time.Feb 04 15:47
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/15/dca9d7854bb06757.jpgFeb 04 15:51
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scientesXRevan86, http://explosm.net/comics/1099/Feb 04 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net)Feb 04 16:01
XRevan86scientes: MinceR is the expert on puns here :)Feb 04 16:02
scientesIndeedFeb 04 16:04
MinceR:)Feb 04 16:04
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leX541Dr2rUFeb 04 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-There is No Algorithm for Truth - with Tom Scott - YouTubeFeb 04 16:12
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DaemonFC[m]https://github.com/tpm2-software/tpm2-abrmd/issues/667Feb 04 16:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-systemd auto-restart causing more problems than it solves · Issue #667 · tpm2-software/tpm2-abrmd · GitHubFeb 04 16:26
DaemonFC[m]"The systemd config we use will attempt to auto-restart the daemon if it dies but without a TPM device the daemon keeps dying and systemd keeps restarting it. This spams the hell out of users lots."Feb 04 16:26
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DaemonFC[m]Also causes fwupd to die and cause a message about it from GNOME Software.Feb 04 16:27
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Looks like they've made a restart condition narrower and fixed the bug.Feb 04 16:28
MinceRlolFeb 04 16:29
MinceRall that for the sake of a DRM chipFeb 04 16:29
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/16/939469b4154b18cb.jpgFeb 04 16:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Amandine 'cryptie' Jambert, CNIL & FSFE privacy scandals http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133714 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1c271cee-3bf6-45de-abf5-e7a727b20a6f]Feb 04 16:35
XRevan86When I watch something on YouTube, I absolutely never look at Recommendations, in principle.Feb 04 16:35
*XRevan86 re-reads his last message.Feb 04 16:43
XRevan86* on principle.Feb 04 16:43
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DaemonFC[m]https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/issues/1722Feb 04 17:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chained fw update fails on wrong metainfo file · Issue #1722 · fwupd/fwupd · GitHubFeb 04 17:00
DaemonFC[m]Here's the actual issue, it seems.Feb 04 17:01
DaemonFC[m]Had nothing to do with the tpm packageFeb 04 17:01
DaemonFC[m]Fucking hell this new Red Hat stuff is seriously bad shitFeb 04 17:01
*psydroid uninstalled fwupd yesterdayFeb 04 17:01
DaemonFC[m]" I suspect the failure in #1722 (comment) was the same one mentioned in #1738 which is caused by SELinux policies"Feb 04 17:01
psydroidmaybe all of it is seriously bad shit?Feb 04 17:01
DaemonFC[m]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1797324Feb 04 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.redhat.com | 1797324 – SELinux is preventing (fwupd) from 'mounton' accesses on the directory /run/systemd/unit-root/run/motd.d.Feb 04 17:02
psydroidand instead of seeing Red Hat as a custodian of free software we had better work in an environment where the company doesn't have any role to play so we can at least decide on our path rather than everything being decided for usFeb 04 17:03
psydroidthey're promoting .NOT these days after allFeb 04 17:03
psydroidif I wanted that shit, I would be using WindowsFeb 04 17:04
psydroidbut I'm not, so please keep that stuff far away from meFeb 04 17:04
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XRevan86psydroid: Don't you want to send Microsoft telemetry about struggling with that XML-based mess?Feb 04 17:11
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oiaohmpsydroid: the hard problem is how are those doing the core work going to get paid.Feb 04 17:18
psydreadXRevan86, I would gladly send Microsoft bogus telemetry, that is not the issueFeb 04 17:22
XRevan86That was just a sarcastic remark about the joys of the Microsoft's VM.Feb 04 17:23
psydreadoiaohm, those doing the core work get paid with or without Red Hat being an all-encompassing influence and decision-makerFeb 04 17:23
psydreadmine was too, I think the best way to "help" Microsoft is by sending them huge amounts of bogus telemetryFeb 04 17:24
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oiaohmpsydread: some areas like how the linux system inits for  decades was left to Redhat to fund.Feb 04 17:30
oiaohmThe hard problem is to make sure those areas are more fairly funded instead of being drop on one party and everyone else going hey they are doing it we have to pay nothing brilliant.Feb 04 17:32
MinceRratcrap made it clear a while ago that they're no custodians of free softwareFeb 04 17:32
MinceRthey're another criminal enterprise like microsloth and crAppleFeb 04 17:33
psydreadoiaohm, right, so we are forever beholden to Red Hat's iron grip on GNU/SystemdFeb 04 17:33
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oiaohmMinceR: they made it clear from the start.  Yet people still dropped the ball on them.Feb 04 17:33
MinceRoiaohm: the start was a while agoFeb 04 17:33
DaemonFC[m]YOUR RIOT IS MISCONFIGURED! YOUR RIOT IS MISCONFIGURED! SHUT UP!!!!!!Feb 04 17:34
oiaohmMinceR: 1995 well before systemd they make it clear.Feb 04 17:34
DaemonFC[m]Anyway...Feb 04 17:34
oiaohmyet everyone was happy to leave sysvinit and the parts around it maintaince work to redhat back then.Feb 04 17:34
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/GeJUNykCwpWxqrDSWbknWMRL >Feb 04 17:34
MinceRand so ratcrap infected it with the NSA's selinux crap.Feb 04 17:35
oiaohmMinceR: that was 2000.Feb 04 17:35
oiaohmRedhat was making their actions well and truly clear yet the cost of the maitnaince and providing the programmers was still left them.Feb 04 17:36
psydreadI got off Red Hat/Fedora in 2003 when Fedora Core 1 was released and proved to be unmitigated and unstable disasterFeb 04 17:36
oiaohmThey they do systemd and people now magically get upset.Feb 04 17:36
MinceRlooks like they couldn't boil all the frogs :>Feb 04 17:36
oiaohmpsydread: yet the other distributions you would have switched to would have been depend redhat work.Feb 04 17:37
oiaohmRemember when redhat decide to make it harder to see what the RHEL kernel patches were.Feb 04 17:37
oiaohmThat was before systemd again.Feb 04 17:37
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oiaohmBasically the bell was ringing and people were just refusing to notice.Feb 04 17:38
psydreadoiaohm, I am in the process of correcting that, so there will be a solution to this mess for me personallyFeb 04 17:38
oiaohmIf you as a company are going to be left constantly for the bill of development why should you not make it suite your need pefectly and bugger everyone else.Feb 04 17:38
DaemonFC[m]Edit: So this is nice. After I backed out fwupd test update 1.3.7, I was wondering why it didn't offer it to me again. Someone else pulled it out of updates-testing and it's just not there anymore.Feb 04 17:39
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, you need to be a lot more careful with updates-testing on Fedora than you used to.Feb 04 17:39
MinceRoiaohm: because you might end up like novell/suse on the long termFeb 04 17:40
DaemonFC[m]But when something does break it's humorously something that Red Hat is the upstream for.Feb 04 17:40
MinceRabandoned by your customers and left to die.Feb 04 17:40
oiaohmMinceR: Novell taking over SUSE saw SUSE step back from core parts and hand them over to Redhat to take care of.      So that is not really the best example.  Its more example don't control your upstream be done in by your compeitor by slight incompadible modifications causing your customers to have problems.Feb 04 17:42
DaemonFC[m]Jesus Christ this shit is a rat's nest.Feb 04 17:42
DaemonFC[m]What the hell happened to Fedora lately?Feb 04 17:42
MinceRoiaohm: customers may still not take kindly to redhat betraying themFeb 04 17:43
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: nothing, it was always shitFeb 04 17:43
MinceRwell, at least i can say from experience that fedora 15 was a shitfractalFeb 04 17:43
MinceRhorrible gnome hacks breaking X, unreliable package manager, systemdFeb 04 17:43
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psydreadFedora is finally getting the marketshare it deservesFeb 04 17:46
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MinceR0%?Feb 04 17:47
psydroidindeedFeb 04 17:47
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DaemonFC[m]If Linux 5.5 doesn't make things better, I'm going to find a new distribution.Feb 04 17:52
DaemonFC[m]Or look into a BSD.Feb 04 17:52
psydroidI'm going to buy a few more used laptops for running various BSDs and other operating systemsFeb 04 17:53
DaemonFC[m]Linux 5.4 does all sorts of terrible things to Intel systems.Feb 04 17:57
DaemonFC[m]Intel's hamfisted "security updates" breaking so much shit, turning your laptop into Chernobyl.Feb 04 17:58
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: part of the problem there is some of those intel updates will end up in BSD and other places as well.Feb 04 17:59
oiaohmSoftware attempting to fix hardware defects is not fun for power usage.Feb 04 17:59
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, they'll get backported into "long term stable" kernels and then there will be no escaping it.Feb 04 18:00
psydroidone issue I was trying to resolve yesterday was that a friend of mine had been having problems with eyestrain for many years on Linux and FreeBSD, so just couldn't use those and had to stay on WindowsFeb 04 18:00
psydroidit turns out the Intel driver is doing some weird things that Nvidia doesn't doFeb 04 18:00
psydroidI think he is trying to resolve this with Intel folks, but I don't know what is going to happen going forwardFeb 04 18:00
DaemonFC[m]The one I'm talking about that broke my power management was so bad that they reversed themselves and turned it back on, but didn't mark it for backport.Feb 04 18:01
DaemonFC[m]So I just have to wait for 5.5.Feb 04 18:02
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: try Debian BusterFeb 04 18:42
schestowitzworked well for us so farFeb 04 18:42
schestowitzonce installed everything workedFeb 04 18:43
schestowitzonly the VPN is a challengeFeb 04 18:43
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DaemonFC[m]Why is that? OpenVPN should work fine.Feb 04 18:58
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XRevan86schestowitz: What aspect?Feb 04 19:01
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psydroidI could never even get Fedora installed on this laptop when I bought itFeb 04 19:16
psydroidonly Debian Stretch worked at the time and now I am running BusterFeb 04 19:16
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/650094.pngFeb 04 19:33
XRevan86MinceR: The person means third-person pronouns I imagineFeb 04 19:35
XRevan86as "me" is a pronounFeb 04 19:36
psydroidso someone is arguing with me that VMWare Vsphere is the on true solution and Linux/KVM and Kubernetes need not apply because they are missing all this great technology for the elusive enterprise such as migration/HA and recoveryFeb 04 19:40
MinceRlolFeb 04 19:44
MinceRi love it too when people prefer having all the buzzwords in the product instead of using one that actually worksFeb 04 19:46
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psydroidI've been running into more and more of them latelyFeb 04 19:55
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XRevan86> Whoever killed the 12th doctor, thank you.Feb 04 20:12
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Why though?Feb 04 20:12
XRevan86Despite increasingly weaker scripts, Capaldi played the role well.Feb 04 20:14
XRevan86I liked Whittaker in episode 5 and disliked Barrowman there. I no longer think it's about them at all.Feb 04 20:15
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XRevan86I wonder what people think of how Jo Martin performed. Worked for me really well.Feb 04 20:18
DaemonFC[m]I loved Fedora until lately.Feb 04 20:30
DaemonFC[m]Shoving all of these broken kernels and bullshit down the pipe on me.Feb 04 20:30
DaemonFC[m]I have to hack on top of hack to get things to work right again. :PFeb 04 20:31
DaemonFC[m]The entire Linux 5.4 release series should be deleted.Feb 04 20:31
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/650197.jpgFeb 04 20:36
psydroidthat moment came for me in 2003Feb 04 20:41
psydroidso experiences do indeed varyFeb 04 20:41
DaemonFC[m]Early on, Fedora was pretty lulzy, and introducing SELinux was a major disaster, which is why they walked a lot of it back with the targeted policy.Feb 04 20:45
DaemonFC[m]In fact, Red Hat Linux 9 became sort the "Windows XP" of Red Hat because of that.Feb 04 20:46
DaemonFC[m]It was basically the reason why Fedora Legacy came around and started backporting security patches and a few new programs to RHL 9.Feb 04 20:46
DaemonFC[m]It was basically because early Fedora was so unstable.Feb 04 20:46
DaemonFC[m]Plus, for a long time Fedora "Core" was the OS, and then you needed to add an Extras repo for most of your software.Feb 04 20:48
DaemonFC[m]Most desirable Free Software that isn't encumbered by patents is in Fedora now. RPM Fusion exists for legal reasons and the policy to not ship proprietary software.Feb 04 20:48
danielp3344https://xkcd.com/612/Feb 04 21:04
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DaemonFC[m]My advice now is go with AMD.Feb 04 21:23
DaemonFC[m]No matter how it turns out, it's not worth what these fucking idiots at Intel will do to you.Feb 04 21:23
DaemonFC[m]5.4 kernels are a complete disaster on Intel. Some don't boot. None of them do better than half the battery life of 5.3.10.Feb 04 21:23
danielp3344AMD is only marginally better all things consideredFeb 04 21:26
danielp3344Much less is known about the PSP than MEFeb 04 21:26
psydreadI only have 2 Intel machines, which are my laptops from 2016Feb 04 21:52
psydreadI'm not planning to add any moreFeb 04 21:52
MinceRapparently the PSP isn't as dangerous as IME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKH5nGLgi08Feb 04 21:53
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/649889.jpgFeb 04 22:14
XRevan86wo' accen' do you 'af?Feb 04 22:16
danielp3344lolFeb 04 22:17
MinceR:>Feb 04 22:20
danielp3344I'm looking for music and I can't find it on the pirate bayFeb 04 22:20
danielp3344I guess I'll have to try youtube :/Feb 04 22:20
DaemonFC[m]rutrackerFeb 04 22:22
DaemonFC[m]Pootie Poot's gift to America.Feb 04 22:23
DaemonFC[m]I got some ebooks the other day, and the books themselves are all in English.Feb 04 22:23
DaemonFC[m]But the folder names are in Russian.Feb 04 22:24
danielp3344Oooh here it isFeb 04 22:25
danielp3344DaemonFC: it was on youtubeFeb 04 22:25
DaemonFC[m]You can't beat their prices. So quit Stalin and start Russian.Feb 04 22:26
danielp3344lolFeb 04 22:26
DaemonFC[m]Google Play Books is a fucking joke.Feb 04 22:27
DaemonFC[m]$15 per book. Are you fucking shitting me. It's a goddamned computer file.Feb 04 22:28
danielp3344I'm not supprisedFeb 04 22:28
danielp3344:PFeb 04 22:28
DaemonFC[m]You don't have shop rent, utilities, teenage employees to pay minimum wage to run a cash register, shipment costs, warehouses.Feb 04 22:28
danielp3344<DaemonFC[m] "$15 per book. Are you fucking sh"> you know I'd pay $15 if it was actually just a pdfFeb 04 22:28
danielp3344with no weird restrictions on redistributionFeb 04 22:28
XRevan86danielp3344: A PDF? Bah. epub/fb2Feb 04 22:29
danielp3344XRevan86: whateverFeb 04 22:29
DaemonFC[m]They demanded my husband buy a bunch of overpriced books for college.Feb 04 22:29
DaemonFC[m]So I got on BitTorrent and saved us $800.Feb 04 22:29
DaemonFC[m]That's books for 6 credit hours worth of classed.Feb 04 22:30
DaemonFC[m]ClassesFeb 04 22:30
XRevan86And here I thought all colleges/universities have a library…Feb 04 22:30
danielp3344DaemonFC: You know I was going to major in engineering until I realized one of the requirements was a class on autocad and matlab :PFeb 04 22:30
danielp3344now I'm majoring in math :PFeb 04 22:30
*XRevan86 had math classes in Octave.Feb 04 22:31
*XRevan86 did them in Julia.Feb 04 22:31
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Thomson put my dad in a cubicle farm with Windows NT 4 and AutoCAD in the 90s.Feb 04 22:31
DaemonFC[m]Fuckers wanted $12,300 to take 6 credit hours and then demanded we buy $800 in books too.Feb 04 22:32
DaemonFC[m]And it's community college. Feb 04 22:32
danielp3344I spent like $100 on booksFeb 04 22:33
danielp3344well, thus far anywayFeb 04 22:33
danielp3344I've learned that for most classes you don't need a textbook, the information is all on wikipediaFeb 04 22:33
DaemonFC[m]And in closing, penis penis penis penis pizzagate.Feb 04 22:35
MinceRhaha benisFeb 04 22:36
MinceR:DDFeb 04 22:36
XRevan86What is happening?Feb 04 22:36
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/650526.jpgFeb 04 22:37
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/650113.pngFeb 04 22:56
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MinceR(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiyEKq63Y0QFeb 04 23:46
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