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MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/16/0f56860386b3c2c7.jpg | Feb 04 00:18 |
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DaemonFC[m] | https://www.computerworld.com/article/3199425/top-web-browsers-2020-edge-passes-ie-for-the-first-time-4-12-years-after-launch.html | Feb 04 01:34 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Top web browsers 2020: Edge passes IE for the first time, 4-1/2 years after launch | Computerworld | Feb 04 01:34 | |
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MinceR | https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/017/046/BptVE1JIEAAA3dT.jpg | Feb 04 01:47 |
DaemonFC[m] | If Google was a guy. | Feb 04 01:55 |
DaemonFC[m] | Woman: Boston Marathon bombers. | Feb 04 01:55 |
DaemonFC[m] | Google: That was a real tragedy... | Feb 04 01:56 |
DaemonFC[m] | Woman: Cute one! | Feb 04 01:56 |
DaemonFC[m] | Google: Come on! | Feb 04 01:56 |
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schestowitz | [01:47] <MinceR> https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/017/046/BptVE1JIEAAA3dT.jpg | Feb 04 03:07 |
schestowitz | I don't quite get t | Feb 04 03:07 |
schestowitz | Or... maybe there's not much to it | Feb 04 03:08 |
schestowitz | [01:34] <DaemonFC[m]> https://www.computerworld.com/article/3199425/top-web-browsers-2020-edge-passes-ie-for-the-first-time-4-12-years-after-launch.html | Feb 04 03:08 |
schestowitz | based on one company | Feb 04 03:08 |
schestowitz | rather meaningless | Feb 04 03:08 |
schestowitz | I can imagine who wrote this | Feb 04 03:08 |
schestowitz | without even clicking | Feb 04 03:08 |
schestowitz | probably Greg Keizer | Feb 04 03:09 |
schestowitz | article based on nothing but some site with numbers in it | Feb 04 03:09 |
schestowitz | shallow 'news' | Feb 04 03:09 |
MinceR | IDG "news" | Feb 04 03:09 |
schestowitz | Made in CHina | Feb 04 03:10 |
schestowitz | cheaply | Feb 04 03:10 |
schestowitz | once upon a time they did expensive, long reviews | Feb 04 03:10 |
schestowitz | and benchmarks | Feb 04 03:10 |
schestowitz | a decade ago it became a joke of a news sites | Feb 04 03:10 |
schestowitz | with anti-Linux writers in a so-called "Open Source Subnet" | Feb 04 03:11 |
schestowitz | brb tea | Feb 04 03:11 |
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DaemonFC[m] | MinceR Apple sudo has a bug where you can become root by piping a bunch of random crap to it when it asks for a password. | Feb 04 03:51 |
MinceR | :> | Feb 04 03:52 |
schestowitz | I use su | Feb 04 03:52 |
schestowitz | also, buster is apparently not affecred | Feb 04 03:52 |
schestowitz | so we're all good | Feb 04 03:52 |
schestowitz | this seems to put at risk shared users' machines | Feb 04 03:52 |
schestowitz | where some users are not considered trustworthy | Feb 04 03:53 |
MinceR | if they're running macos, they're at risk regardless | Feb 04 03:53 |
schestowitz | in web hosting settings they usually have no shell access either | Feb 04 03:53 |
schestowitz | not direct anyway | Feb 04 03:53 |
schestowitz | MinceR: from the state, too.. | Feb 04 03:53 |
schestowitz | it's designed for security... maybe against Russian government | Feb 04 03:53 |
schestowitz | the "evil" "hackers" | Feb 04 03:53 |
schestowitz | not US gov | Feb 04 03:53 |
schestowitz | The GoodGuys(R) | Feb 04 03:54 |
schestowitz | >> http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133660 | Feb 04 03:59 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Updates From FOSDEM: Daniel 'Curl' Stenberg on HTTP/3 and GNU Poke Adding Hyperlink Support | Tux Machines | Feb 04 03:59 | |
schestowitz | >> | Feb 04 03:59 |
schestowitz | > In Daniel's presentation, he mentions that QUIC currently uses 2 to 3 | Feb 04 03:59 |
schestowitz | > times the CPU as HTTP/1.1 At a global scale that amounts to a lot of | Feb 04 03:59 |
schestowitz | > electricity, an thus a lot of fossil carbon, for no gain. Getting rid | Feb 04 04:00 |
schestowitz | > of the crap from the web pages, globally, would also reduce the burden | Feb 04 04:00 |
schestowitz | > on the routing infrastructure. | Feb 04 04:00 |
schestowitz | In a relative scale, packet switching and the likes of that don't contribute as much as cars, planes etc. | Feb 04 04:00 |
schestowitz | So I think we also need to set priorities right to combat heating. | Feb 04 04:00 |
schestowitz | Daniel and I are in very good terms online, BTW.... we talk occasionally. | Feb 04 04:00 |
MinceR | don't forget power generation, home heating and ships | Feb 04 04:03 |
MinceR | those all pollute a lot more than cars, afaik | Feb 04 04:03 |
schestowitz | riiight | Feb 04 04:03 |
schestowitz | datacentres also do more than switching | Feb 04 04:03 |
schestowitz | things like data-mining | Feb 04 04:04 |
schestowitz | lots of cpu core | Feb 04 04:04 |
schestowitz | cores | Feb 04 04:04 |
DaemonFC[m] | My ad blocker says that overall it blocks 11% of requests, but those are more than 11% of bandwidth because they're some of the biggest offenders. | Feb 04 04:51 |
DaemonFC[m] | Then I don't have to spend RAM and CPU cycles and cache it. | Feb 04 04:52 |
DaemonFC[m] | Some sites are so bad thst nearly half the requests are crap. | Feb 04 04:52 |
DaemonFC[m] | By number of requests blocked, CNN and Phoronix are pretty bad. | Feb 04 04:52 |
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psydroid | the latest tactics Microsoft cult members (so those who don't work at the company directly but are enablers) employ are to cite desktop numbers from Statcounter where Windows has 77% market share, but not numbers over all devices where its market share is less than 40% | Feb 04 10:00 |
psydroid | and when you call them out for using deception, they stop responding | Feb 04 10:00 |
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schestowitz | psydroid: morning | Feb 04 10:11 |
schestowitz | yes, don't waste time on them | Feb 04 10:12 |
psydroid | morning schestowitz | Feb 04 10:12 |
schestowitz | better focus on facts, post them separately | Feb 04 10:12 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is evasive | Feb 04 10:12 |
schestowitz | their fans are morally like fraudsters | Feb 04 10:12 |
schestowitz | see this...: | Feb 04 10:12 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/12/05/wsl-secrets/ | Feb 04 10:13 |
psydroid | well, it gives me an insight into how they are thinking, which is worth something too | Feb 04 10:13 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Staff Repeatedly Refuses to Tell How Many People Use WSL, Defends Patent Extortion and Blackmail of Linux Instead | Techrights | Feb 04 10:13 | |
schestowitz | Microsoft #wsl boosters said they'd share usage numbers. Guess what. They didn't . Because they're liars and they're promoting criminals (found guilty, too). http://techrights.org/2019/12/05/wsl-secrets/ | Feb 04 10:13 |
schestowitz | now they lie about Azu re | Feb 04 10:14 |
schestowitz | not sure if you noticed | Feb 04 10:14 |
schestowitz | and some 'news' sites relay and repeat those lies | Feb 04 10:14 |
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psydread | I have noticed and I have caught up with all recent articles on techrights | Feb 04 10:19 |
psydread | the new thing is that they are losing on their home turf (desktop) too now | Feb 04 10:19 |
psydread | being eroded by android, chromeos, ipados, gnu/linux etc. | Feb 04 10:20 |
schestowitz | yes, there is more to it than that | Feb 04 10:23 |
schestowitz | they are 100% dead in mobile | Feb 04 10:23 |
schestowitz | so now they are "apps" company | Feb 04 10:23 |
schestowitz | and I think they still use patent extortion to preload those apps | Feb 04 10:23 |
schestowitz | in servers they deceline | Feb 04 10:23 |
schestowitz | decline | Feb 04 10:23 |
schestowitz | and they try to grab "LUUUNIX" by the balls to still claim share | Feb 04 10:23 |
schestowitz | but I see no evidence of many using MSFT for hosting | Feb 04 10:24 |
schestowitz | MSFT even shut down entire DATACENTRES recently | Feb 04 10:24 |
schestowitz | (of course they made BS unbelievable excuses) | Feb 04 10:24 |
schestowitz | go around the web, psydread, correct, these lies... | Feb 04 10:24 |
schestowitz | as Microsoft spends a lot of money to keep the lies flowing | Feb 04 10:24 |
schestowitz | and no single group can counter all these PR firms | Feb 04 10:24 |
psydread | I have been doing that for years and also identified shills/astroturfers who have infiltrated so-called technology news sites | Feb 04 10:26 |
psydread | I have to give Microsoft this, they have built the best PR machinery in modern times | Feb 04 10:27 |
schestowitz | yes, Microsoft Peter in Ars is one | Feb 04 10:32 |
schestowitz | their WHOLE Open Source section was just him | Feb 04 10:32 |
schestowitz | and everything there was Microsoft's lies | Feb 04 10:32 |
schestowitz | it was amazing | Feb 04 10:32 |
schestowitz | like the only open source company was Microsoft | Feb 04 10:32 |
schestowitz | and then he was arrested | Feb 04 10:32 |
schestowitz | after he had raped kids for years | Feb 04 10:32 |
schestowitz | and confessed to an FBI informant | Feb 04 10:33 |
schestowitz | that's one heck of a way t o control a mole, threat of arrest | Feb 04 10:33 |
schestowitz | Chief PR exec at Microsoft came from the military. | Feb 04 10:37 |
schestowitz | Shaw IIRC | Feb 04 10:37 |
schestowitz | But someone from Microsoft told me this | Feb 04 10:37 |
schestowitz | I did not verify for myself | Feb 04 10:37 |
schestowitz | apparently the father of Brad Smith is also military/oil | Feb 04 10:38 |
schestowitz | some dodgy Haliburton thing | Feb 04 10:38 |
psydread | the main thing I am thinking of is that if they are bleeding so much money that they have to shut down several datacentres in the wake of Azure's failure, what that implies for their overall financial situation as it pertains to their accounting books | Feb 04 10:43 |
psydread | so obviously they need more people to take care of making a positive spin | Feb 04 10:49 |
schestowitz | yes, proportional | Feb 04 11:02 |
schestowitz | otherwise facts speak for themselves | Feb 04 11:02 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/02/03/azure-lies/ | Feb 04 11:03 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft “Azure” (or “Cloud”) Results Are Most Likely an Elaborate Fraud | Techrights | Feb 04 11:03 | |
schestowitz | read the Gates quote at the bottom | Feb 04 11:03 |
schestowitz | I put it there for a reason | Feb 04 11:03 |
psydread | I've known this for a long time, but it still gets new users who conflate a good-looking appearance with a good product | Feb 04 11:07 |
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liberty_box | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0cAx1jLbJk | Feb 04 14:18 |
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oiaohm | liberty_box: https://www.publish.csiro.au/wr/WR9800177 Reality is that video is most likely a young Koala who is refusing to leave home. | Feb 04 14:48 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.publish.csiro.au | CSIRO PUBLISHING | Wildlife Research | Feb 04 14:48 | |
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DaemonFC[m] | > I've known this for a long time, but it still gets new users who conflate a good-looking appearance with a good product | Feb 04 15:47 |
DaemonFC[m] | Well, that's probably why Ubuntu is going on a bug hunt fixing performance issues with GNOME 3 that have gone unaddressed this entire time. | Feb 04 15:47 |
MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/15/dca9d7854bb06757.jpg | Feb 04 15:51 |
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scientes | XRevan86, http://explosm.net/comics/1099/ | Feb 04 16:01 |
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XRevan86 | scientes: MinceR is the expert on puns here :) | Feb 04 16:02 |
scientes | Indeed | Feb 04 16:04 |
MinceR | :) | Feb 04 16:04 |
MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leX541Dr2rU | Feb 04 16:12 |
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DaemonFC[m] | https://github.com/tpm2-software/tpm2-abrmd/issues/667 | Feb 04 16:26 |
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DaemonFC[m] | "The systemd config we use will attempt to auto-restart the daemon if it dies but without a TPM device the daemon keeps dying and systemd keeps restarting it. This spams the hell out of users lots." | Feb 04 16:26 |
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DaemonFC[m] | Also causes fwupd to die and cause a message about it from GNOME Software. | Feb 04 16:27 |
XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Looks like they've made a restart condition narrower and fixed the bug. | Feb 04 16:28 |
MinceR | lol | Feb 04 16:29 |
MinceR | all that for the sake of a DRM chip | Feb 04 16:29 |
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MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/16/939469b4154b18cb.jpg | Feb 04 16:34 |
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XRevan86 | When I watch something on YouTube, I absolutely never look at Recommendations, in principle. | Feb 04 16:35 |
*XRevan86 re-reads his last message. | Feb 04 16:43 | |
XRevan86 | * on principle. | Feb 04 16:43 |
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DaemonFC[m] | https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/issues/1722 | Feb 04 17:00 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chained fw update fails on wrong metainfo file · Issue #1722 · fwupd/fwupd · GitHub | Feb 04 17:00 | |
DaemonFC[m] | Here's the actual issue, it seems. | Feb 04 17:01 |
DaemonFC[m] | Had nothing to do with the tpm package | Feb 04 17:01 |
DaemonFC[m] | Fucking hell this new Red Hat stuff is seriously bad shit | Feb 04 17:01 |
*psydroid uninstalled fwupd yesterday | Feb 04 17:01 | |
DaemonFC[m] | " I suspect the failure in #1722 (comment) was the same one mentioned in #1738 which is caused by SELinux policies" | Feb 04 17:01 |
psydroid | maybe all of it is seriously bad shit? | Feb 04 17:01 |
DaemonFC[m] | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1797324 | Feb 04 17:02 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.redhat.com | 1797324 – SELinux is preventing (fwupd) from 'mounton' accesses on the directory /run/systemd/unit-root/run/motd.d. | Feb 04 17:02 | |
psydroid | and instead of seeing Red Hat as a custodian of free software we had better work in an environment where the company doesn't have any role to play so we can at least decide on our path rather than everything being decided for us | Feb 04 17:03 |
psydroid | they're promoting .NOT these days after all | Feb 04 17:03 |
psydroid | if I wanted that shit, I would be using Windows | Feb 04 17:04 |
psydroid | but I'm not, so please keep that stuff far away from me | Feb 04 17:04 |
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XRevan86 | psydroid: Don't you want to send Microsoft telemetry about struggling with that XML-based mess? | Feb 04 17:11 |
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oiaohm | psydroid: the hard problem is how are those doing the core work going to get paid. | Feb 04 17:18 |
psydread | XRevan86, I would gladly send Microsoft bogus telemetry, that is not the issue | Feb 04 17:22 |
XRevan86 | That was just a sarcastic remark about the joys of the Microsoft's VM. | Feb 04 17:23 |
psydread | oiaohm, those doing the core work get paid with or without Red Hat being an all-encompassing influence and decision-maker | Feb 04 17:23 |
psydread | mine was too, I think the best way to "help" Microsoft is by sending them huge amounts of bogus telemetry | Feb 04 17:24 |
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oiaohm | psydread: some areas like how the linux system inits for decades was left to Redhat to fund. | Feb 04 17:30 |
oiaohm | The hard problem is to make sure those areas are more fairly funded instead of being drop on one party and everyone else going hey they are doing it we have to pay nothing brilliant. | Feb 04 17:32 |
MinceR | ratcrap made it clear a while ago that they're no custodians of free software | Feb 04 17:32 |
MinceR | they're another criminal enterprise like microsloth and crApple | Feb 04 17:33 |
psydread | oiaohm, right, so we are forever beholden to Red Hat's iron grip on GNU/Systemd | Feb 04 17:33 |
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oiaohm | MinceR: they made it clear from the start. Yet people still dropped the ball on them. | Feb 04 17:33 |
MinceR | oiaohm: the start was a while ago | Feb 04 17:33 |
DaemonFC[m] | YOUR RIOT IS MISCONFIGURED! YOUR RIOT IS MISCONFIGURED! SHUT UP!!!!!! | Feb 04 17:34 |
oiaohm | MinceR: 1995 well before systemd they make it clear. | Feb 04 17:34 |
DaemonFC[m] | Anyway... | Feb 04 17:34 |
oiaohm | yet everyone was happy to leave sysvinit and the parts around it maintaince work to redhat back then. | Feb 04 17:34 |
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/GeJUNykCwpWxqrDSWbknWMRL > | Feb 04 17:34 | |
MinceR | and so ratcrap infected it with the NSA's selinux crap. | Feb 04 17:35 |
oiaohm | MinceR: that was 2000. | Feb 04 17:35 |
oiaohm | Redhat was making their actions well and truly clear yet the cost of the maitnaince and providing the programmers was still left them. | Feb 04 17:36 |
psydread | I got off Red Hat/Fedora in 2003 when Fedora Core 1 was released and proved to be unmitigated and unstable disaster | Feb 04 17:36 |
oiaohm | They they do systemd and people now magically get upset. | Feb 04 17:36 |
MinceR | looks like they couldn't boil all the frogs :> | Feb 04 17:36 |
oiaohm | psydread: yet the other distributions you would have switched to would have been depend redhat work. | Feb 04 17:37 |
oiaohm | Remember when redhat decide to make it harder to see what the RHEL kernel patches were. | Feb 04 17:37 |
oiaohm | That was before systemd again. | Feb 04 17:37 |
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oiaohm | Basically the bell was ringing and people were just refusing to notice. | Feb 04 17:38 |
psydread | oiaohm, I am in the process of correcting that, so there will be a solution to this mess for me personally | Feb 04 17:38 |
oiaohm | If you as a company are going to be left constantly for the bill of development why should you not make it suite your need pefectly and bugger everyone else. | Feb 04 17:38 |
DaemonFC[m] | Edit: So this is nice. After I backed out fwupd test update 1.3.7, I was wondering why it didn't offer it to me again. Someone else pulled it out of updates-testing and it's just not there anymore. | Feb 04 17:39 |
DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, you need to be a lot more careful with updates-testing on Fedora than you used to. | Feb 04 17:39 |
MinceR | oiaohm: because you might end up like novell/suse on the long term | Feb 04 17:40 |
DaemonFC[m] | But when something does break it's humorously something that Red Hat is the upstream for. | Feb 04 17:40 |
MinceR | abandoned by your customers and left to die. | Feb 04 17:40 |
oiaohm | MinceR: Novell taking over SUSE saw SUSE step back from core parts and hand them over to Redhat to take care of. So that is not really the best example. Its more example don't control your upstream be done in by your compeitor by slight incompadible modifications causing your customers to have problems. | Feb 04 17:42 |
DaemonFC[m] | Jesus Christ this shit is a rat's nest. | Feb 04 17:42 |
DaemonFC[m] | What the hell happened to Fedora lately? | Feb 04 17:42 |
MinceR | oiaohm: customers may still not take kindly to redhat betraying them | Feb 04 17:43 |
MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: nothing, it was always shit | Feb 04 17:43 |
MinceR | well, at least i can say from experience that fedora 15 was a shitfractal | Feb 04 17:43 |
MinceR | horrible gnome hacks breaking X, unreliable package manager, systemd | Feb 04 17:43 |
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psydread | Fedora is finally getting the marketshare it deserves | Feb 04 17:46 |
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MinceR | 0%? | Feb 04 17:47 |
psydroid | indeed | Feb 04 17:47 |
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DaemonFC[m] | If Linux 5.5 doesn't make things better, I'm going to find a new distribution. | Feb 04 17:52 |
DaemonFC[m] | Or look into a BSD. | Feb 04 17:52 |
psydroid | I'm going to buy a few more used laptops for running various BSDs and other operating systems | Feb 04 17:53 |
DaemonFC[m] | Linux 5.4 does all sorts of terrible things to Intel systems. | Feb 04 17:57 |
DaemonFC[m] | Intel's hamfisted "security updates" breaking so much shit, turning your laptop into Chernobyl. | Feb 04 17:58 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: part of the problem there is some of those intel updates will end up in BSD and other places as well. | Feb 04 17:59 |
oiaohm | Software attempting to fix hardware defects is not fun for power usage. | Feb 04 17:59 |
DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, they'll get backported into "long term stable" kernels and then there will be no escaping it. | Feb 04 18:00 |
psydroid | one issue I was trying to resolve yesterday was that a friend of mine had been having problems with eyestrain for many years on Linux and FreeBSD, so just couldn't use those and had to stay on Windows | Feb 04 18:00 |
psydroid | it turns out the Intel driver is doing some weird things that Nvidia doesn't do | Feb 04 18:00 |
psydroid | I think he is trying to resolve this with Intel folks, but I don't know what is going to happen going forward | Feb 04 18:00 |
DaemonFC[m] | The one I'm talking about that broke my power management was so bad that they reversed themselves and turned it back on, but didn't mark it for backport. | Feb 04 18:01 |
DaemonFC[m] | So I just have to wait for 5.5. | Feb 04 18:02 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: try Debian Buster | Feb 04 18:42 |
schestowitz | worked well for us so far | Feb 04 18:42 |
schestowitz | once installed everything worked | Feb 04 18:43 |
schestowitz | only the VPN is a challenge | Feb 04 18:43 |
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DaemonFC[m] | Why is that? OpenVPN should work fine. | Feb 04 18:58 |
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XRevan86 | schestowitz: What aspect? | Feb 04 19:01 |
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psydroid | I could never even get Fedora installed on this laptop when I bought it | Feb 04 19:16 |
psydroid | only Debian Stretch worked at the time and now I am running Buster | Feb 04 19:16 |
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MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/650094.png | Feb 04 19:33 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: The person means third-person pronouns I imagine | Feb 04 19:35 |
XRevan86 | as "me" is a pronoun | Feb 04 19:36 |
psydroid | so someone is arguing with me that VMWare Vsphere is the on true solution and Linux/KVM and Kubernetes need not apply because they are missing all this great technology for the elusive enterprise such as migration/HA and recovery | Feb 04 19:40 |
MinceR | lol | Feb 04 19:44 |
MinceR | i love it too when people prefer having all the buzzwords in the product instead of using one that actually works | Feb 04 19:46 |
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psydroid | I've been running into more and more of them lately | Feb 04 19:55 |
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XRevan86 | > Whoever killed the 12th doctor, thank you. | Feb 04 20:12 |
XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Why though? | Feb 04 20:12 |
XRevan86 | Despite increasingly weaker scripts, Capaldi played the role well. | Feb 04 20:14 |
XRevan86 | I liked Whittaker in episode 5 and disliked Barrowman there. I no longer think it's about them at all. | Feb 04 20:15 |
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XRevan86 | I wonder what people think of how Jo Martin performed. Worked for me really well. | Feb 04 20:18 |
DaemonFC[m] | I loved Fedora until lately. | Feb 04 20:30 |
DaemonFC[m] | Shoving all of these broken kernels and bullshit down the pipe on me. | Feb 04 20:30 |
DaemonFC[m] | I have to hack on top of hack to get things to work right again. :P | Feb 04 20:31 |
DaemonFC[m] | The entire Linux 5.4 release series should be deleted. | Feb 04 20:31 |
MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/650197.jpg | Feb 04 20:36 |
psydroid | that moment came for me in 2003 | Feb 04 20:41 |
psydroid | so experiences do indeed vary | Feb 04 20:41 |
DaemonFC[m] | Early on, Fedora was pretty lulzy, and introducing SELinux was a major disaster, which is why they walked a lot of it back with the targeted policy. | Feb 04 20:45 |
DaemonFC[m] | In fact, Red Hat Linux 9 became sort the "Windows XP" of Red Hat because of that. | Feb 04 20:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | It was basically the reason why Fedora Legacy came around and started backporting security patches and a few new programs to RHL 9. | Feb 04 20:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | It was basically because early Fedora was so unstable. | Feb 04 20:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | Plus, for a long time Fedora "Core" was the OS, and then you needed to add an Extras repo for most of your software. | Feb 04 20:48 |
DaemonFC[m] | Most desirable Free Software that isn't encumbered by patents is in Fedora now. RPM Fusion exists for legal reasons and the policy to not ship proprietary software. | Feb 04 20:48 |
danielp3344 | https://xkcd.com/612/ | Feb 04 21:04 |
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DaemonFC[m] | My advice now is go with AMD. | Feb 04 21:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | No matter how it turns out, it's not worth what these fucking idiots at Intel will do to you. | Feb 04 21:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | 5.4 kernels are a complete disaster on Intel. Some don't boot. None of them do better than half the battery life of 5.3.10. | Feb 04 21:23 |
danielp3344 | AMD is only marginally better all things considered | Feb 04 21:26 |
danielp3344 | Much less is known about the PSP than ME | Feb 04 21:26 |
psydread | I only have 2 Intel machines, which are my laptops from 2016 | Feb 04 21:52 |
psydread | I'm not planning to add any more | Feb 04 21:52 |
MinceR | apparently the PSP isn't as dangerous as IME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKH5nGLgi08 | Feb 04 21:53 |
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MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/649889.jpg | Feb 04 22:14 |
XRevan86 | wo' accen' do you 'af? | Feb 04 22:16 |
danielp3344 | lol | Feb 04 22:17 |
MinceR | :> | Feb 04 22:20 |
danielp3344 | I'm looking for music and I can't find it on the pirate bay | Feb 04 22:20 |
danielp3344 | I guess I'll have to try youtube :/ | Feb 04 22:20 |
DaemonFC[m] | rutracker | Feb 04 22:22 |
DaemonFC[m] | Pootie Poot's gift to America. | Feb 04 22:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | I got some ebooks the other day, and the books themselves are all in English. | Feb 04 22:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | But the folder names are in Russian. | Feb 04 22:24 |
danielp3344 | Oooh here it is | Feb 04 22:25 |
danielp3344 | DaemonFC: it was on youtube | Feb 04 22:25 |
DaemonFC[m] | You can't beat their prices. So quit Stalin and start Russian. | Feb 04 22:26 |
danielp3344 | lol | Feb 04 22:26 |
DaemonFC[m] | Google Play Books is a fucking joke. | Feb 04 22:27 |
DaemonFC[m] | $15 per book. Are you fucking shitting me. It's a goddamned computer file. | Feb 04 22:28 |
danielp3344 | I'm not supprised | Feb 04 22:28 |
danielp3344 | :P | Feb 04 22:28 |
DaemonFC[m] | You don't have shop rent, utilities, teenage employees to pay minimum wage to run a cash register, shipment costs, warehouses. | Feb 04 22:28 |
danielp3344 | <DaemonFC[m] "$15 per book. Are you fucking sh"> you know I'd pay $15 if it was actually just a pdf | Feb 04 22:28 |
danielp3344 | with no weird restrictions on redistribution | Feb 04 22:28 |
XRevan86 | danielp3344: A PDF? Bah. epub/fb2 | Feb 04 22:29 |
danielp3344 | XRevan86: whatever | Feb 04 22:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | They demanded my husband buy a bunch of overpriced books for college. | Feb 04 22:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | So I got on BitTorrent and saved us $800. | Feb 04 22:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | That's books for 6 credit hours worth of classed. | Feb 04 22:30 |
DaemonFC[m] | Classes | Feb 04 22:30 |
XRevan86 | And here I thought all colleges/universities have a library… | Feb 04 22:30 |
danielp3344 | DaemonFC: You know I was going to major in engineering until I realized one of the requirements was a class on autocad and matlab :P | Feb 04 22:30 |
danielp3344 | now I'm majoring in math :P | Feb 04 22:30 |
*XRevan86 had math classes in Octave. | Feb 04 22:31 | |
*XRevan86 did them in Julia. | Feb 04 22:31 | |
DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, Thomson put my dad in a cubicle farm with Windows NT 4 and AutoCAD in the 90s. | Feb 04 22:31 |
DaemonFC[m] | Fuckers wanted $12,300 to take 6 credit hours and then demanded we buy $800 in books too. | Feb 04 22:32 |
DaemonFC[m] | And it's community college. | Feb 04 22:32 |
danielp3344 | I spent like $100 on books | Feb 04 22:33 |
danielp3344 | well, thus far anyway | Feb 04 22:33 |
danielp3344 | I've learned that for most classes you don't need a textbook, the information is all on wikipedia | Feb 04 22:33 |
DaemonFC[m] | And in closing, penis penis penis penis pizzagate. | Feb 04 22:35 |
MinceR | haha benis | Feb 04 22:36 |
MinceR | :DD | Feb 04 22:36 |
XRevan86 | What is happening? | Feb 04 22:36 |
MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/650526.jpg | Feb 04 22:37 |
MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/650113.png | Feb 04 22:56 |
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MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiyEKq63Y0Q | Feb 04 23:46 |
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