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| schestowitz | https://danielmiessler.com/blog/america-is-falling-because-you-cant-maintain-a-democratic-republic-with-a-stupid-population/ | Jul 04 00:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-danielmiessler.com | America is Falling Because You Can't Maintain a Democratic Republic With a Stupid Population | Daniel Miessler | Jul 04 00:00 | |
| schestowitz | it was in our latest daily links | Jul 04 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The official story is that the numbers are soaring in younger people. | Jul 04 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, that young people are having "parties" to get "infected on purpose". | Jul 04 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh who knows if there's any truth to that at all. | Jul 04 00:01 |
| schestowitz | the young people have no bearing on the press | Jul 04 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems like one of those "We fucked up so we have to blame the kids." stories that old people here like so much. | Jul 04 00:02 |
| schestowitz | the media owners are old | Jul 04 00:02 |
| schestowitz | they'd rather blame "dumb" kids | Jul 04 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I didn't see any "kids" in Denny's. | Jul 04 00:02 |
| schestowitz | not "racist" ol men who have "conservative" values | Jul 04 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was old people from what I could see through the window. | Jul 04 00:02 |
| schestowitz | if kids party more, it's because they're at lower risk levels | Jul 04 00:02 |
| schestowitz | the kids don't leave the house much | Jul 04 00:03 |
| schestowitz | they are not "traditional" | Jul 04 00:03 |
| schestowitz | they use their stupid "smart" phone under the pillow | Jul 04 00:03 |
| schestowitz | and blow up monsters on heir PC | Jul 04 00:03 |
| schestowitz | *their | Jul 04 00:03 |
| schestowitz | or blow up something else with pr0n | Jul 04 00:03 |
| schestowitz | but they don't leave much | Jul 04 00:03 |
| schestowitz | maybe hipsters do | Jul 04 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. I get a lot of mileage out of GZDoom lately. | Jul 04 00:03 |
| schestowitz | the starbucks types | Jul 04 00:03 |
| schestowitz | if coffee shops are open at all | Jul 04 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't go to Starbucks. | Jul 04 00:03 |
| schestowitz | What's gzdoom? | Jul 04 00:04 |
| schestowitz | a new wad? | Jul 04 00:04 |
| schestowitz | gz stands for? | Jul 04 00:04 |
| schestowitz | I still have the exe files of doom on an external hdd or 3, i think.. | Jul 04 00:04 |
| schestowitz | the people who crave "going out" to "meet people" are older | Jul 04 00:05 |
| schestowitz | the young people have fewer friends | Jul 04 00:05 |
| schestowitz | they have virtual ones | Jul 04 00:05 |
| schestowitz | people whom they barely met or meet | Jul 04 00:05 |
| schestowitz | and yet call them friends | Jul 04 00:05 |
| schestowitz | like 'FB friends" | Jul 04 00:05 |
| schestowitz | my niece's classmate's sister's mom | Jul 04 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's an enhanced Doom engine that adds features and massively improves the graphics. | Jul 04 00:06 |
| schestowitz | "She accepted my friend request" | Jul 04 00:06 |
| schestowitz | "so we're not OFFICIALLY... friends... and i know what she had for breakfast and where..." | Jul 04 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The WADs you load into it look like they could have been a mid 2000s game, not early to mid 90s. | Jul 04 00:06 |
| schestowitz | "I pressed like" | Jul 04 00:06 |
| schestowitz | "She reciprocated by press like on my "I'm feeling annoyed today" post" | Jul 04 00:06 |
| schestowitz | *pressing | Jul 04 00:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: if it's enhanced, it's not the real thing(tm) | Jul 04 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Doom WADs are not open source, but they're floating around. | Jul 04 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John Carmack says he doesn't really care if anyone pirates them. | Jul 04 00:07 |
| schestowitz | well, no commercial value to them anymore | Jul 04 00:07 |
| schestowitz | who would PAY for it? | Jul 04 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Chocolate Doom should be completely accurate. | Jul 04 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora has Chocolate in RPM format, but I had to use Flathub to get the GZDoom Engine. | Jul 04 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "who would PAY for it?"> They include them on newer DOOM releases sometimes. | Jul 04 00:08 |
| *schestowitz generates, uploads irc logs (8 mins past midnight here) | Jul 04 00:08 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Doom (2016), they had Easter egg levers hidden every so often. | Jul 04 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you pulled the lever, a classic Doom style level would open up. | Jul 04 00:09 |
| schestowitz | meh | Jul 04 00:09 |
| schestowitz | the value of it is nostalgic | Jul 04 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The 2016 Doom was much better than Doom 3. | Jul 04 00:09 |
| schestowitz | once you change it, that won't remind you of childhood anymore | Jul 04 00:09 |
| schestowitz | same for old roms of nintendo or stuff | Jul 04 00:10 |
| schestowitz | some jpop and kpop emulate those styles and sounds | Jul 04 00:10 |
| schestowitz | to make decent tracks, sound engineering with vocals | Jul 04 00:10 |
| schestowitz | +50,357 | Jul 04 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Starbucks is already too expensive. | Jul 04 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're not fit for a recession like this. | Jul 04 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Old people sitting on a dragon hoard and Maricel (credit card) maybe. | Jul 04 00:13 |
| schestowitz | so what will happen? | Jul 04 00:13 |
| schestowitz | can they 'fold'? | Jul 04 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They might limp into bankruptcy court too. | Jul 04 00:13 |
| schestowitz | You tell me | Jul 04 00:13 |
| schestowitz | it's a USian company | Jul 04 00:13 |
| schestowitz | I reckon all their branches here are still closed | Jul 04 00:13 |
| schestowitz | maybe the official reopening will be tomorrow, july 4th | Jul 04 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have drive thru open. | Jul 04 00:14 |
| schestowitz | stupid Pry Min Johnson chose a saturday | Jul 04 00:14 |
| schestowitz | for reopening | Jul 04 00:14 |
| schestowitz | 4th of july | Jul 04 00:14 |
| schestowitz | he was born in nyc iirc | Jul 04 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | I want to think the covid mess we have here is due to honesty in how we count | Jul 04 00:14 |
| schestowitz | and that other countries save face | Jul 04 00:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I figure Starbucks will get through this by avoiding any new store openings and possibly putting the company into Chapter 11 strategically. | Jul 04 00:14 |
| schestowitz | I cannot believe here we have 1:5 death:case ratio | Jul 04 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Use it to void the leases on locations that aren't going to ever do well again (malls and such). | Jul 04 00:15 |
| schestowitz | and in some countries they claim 1:100 | Jul 04 00:15 |
| schestowitz | makes no sense to me | Jul 04 00:15 |
| schestowitz | I recently found our Gates is connected to them | Jul 04 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They say in Lake County, IL we've officially had 400 deaths since this all started. | Jul 04 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Bill's dad (Bill/WIlliam) | Jul 04 00:15 |
| schestowitz | he was the lawyer or firm for the founder of the coffee-for-5-bucks giant | Jul 04 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Part of my bankruptcy was getting out from underneath the loan on the car that John has anyway. | Jul 04 00:16 |
| schestowitz | I see.. | Jul 04 00:16 |
| schestowitz | well, thankfully we have savings | Jul 04 00:16 |
| schestowitz | but... | Jul 04 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's not really much different than a business using it to rip up a bad lease on an unprofitable store. | Jul 04 00:16 |
| schestowitz | the value of the currency and purchasing power is reduced | Jul 04 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John was paying, but he's obviously been laid off. | Jul 04 00:16 |
| schestowitz | what did he do for a living? | Jul 04 00:17 |
| schestowitz | except being a jerk? | Jul 04 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He stumbled around on the last two payments and I wasn't going to wait for him to default and have Kia start coming for me. | Jul 04 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "except being a jerk?"> TSA, so jerk pretty much covers it. | Jul 04 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: For what it was worth, I used the bankruptcy to rip up my responsibility for all of the leases we've ever had together. | Jul 04 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know what he left Fox Lake having done to the landlord, but I wasn't waiting around to find out. | Jul 04 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just threw the guy in and said "I don't know what I owe him.". | Jul 04 00:18 |
| schestowitz | tsa, touching men | Jul 04 00:18 |
| schestowitz | maybe he enjoyed that job while it lasted | Jul 04 00:18 |
| schestowitz | whilst a-holes traveled long-distance | Jul 04 00:19 |
| *schestowitz heard of nobody who flies lately | Jul 04 00:19 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | He got beaten up and mugged one day when he was trying to cheat on me with someone he met on Grindr. | Jul 04 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wish they had killed him. I was the beneficiary on his life insurance then. | Jul 04 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would own a house and that car right now. | Jul 04 00:20 |
| schestowitz | that would help | Jul 04 00:20 |
| schestowitz | peace of mind | Jul 04 00:20 |
| schestowitz | you can at least liquidate a house, financially | Jul 04 00:20 |
| schestowitz | or 'camp' in it during tough times | Jul 04 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I liquidated everything. | Jul 04 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Credit cards. | Jul 04 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Medical bills. | Jul 04 00:20 |
| schestowitz | ouch | Jul 04 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The underwater car loan that John will lose eventually now anyway. | Jul 04 00:20 |
| schestowitz | https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/07/02/fair-housing-advocates-celebrate-passage-aocs-repeal-faircloth-amendment | Jul 04 00:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Fair Housing Advocates Celebrate Passage of AOC's Repeal of Faircloth Amendment | Common Dreams News | Jul 04 00:21 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | 4 leases that were not in good standing when we left. | Jul 04 00:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: FWIW my bankruptcy lawyer said I was smarter than most of her clients. | Jul 04 00:22 |
| schestowitz | AOC is OK | Jul 04 00:22 |
| schestowitz | if you ignore her defence of assholes | Jul 04 00:22 |
| schestowitz | like billgates and mccain | Jul 04 00:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: well, you pay her | Jul 04 00:22 |
| schestowitz | so she can say anything | Jul 04 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told her "When I lost the car I just gave up trying to pay anyone except to stay in the apartment." | Jul 04 00:22 |
| schestowitz | like askinfg a gigolo | Jul 04 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, she said about 70-80% of her clients keep trying to make minimum payments or something. | Jul 04 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they end up in bankruptcy court anyway with thousands of dollars gone that they needed to live on. | Jul 04 00:23 |
| schestowitz | SHTF soon | Jul 04 00:23 |
| schestowitz | august they say | Jul 04 00:23 |
| schestowitz | deaths, unemployment | Jul 04 00:23 |
| schestowitz | businesses giving up | Jul 04 00:23 |
| schestowitz | foreclosures | Jul 04 00:23 |
| schestowitz | the 'debt holiday' in the UK (mortgage freezes) will run out too | Jul 04 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: If I had kept making minimums on the cards it would have cost me like $3,400 by now. | Jul 04 00:23 |
| schestowitz | and utility companies expect people to catch up with payments | Jul 04 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would have made no progress paying them. That's 3 months rent. | Jul 04 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | as if you can blame people for losing their jobs and careers | Jul 04 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would have gone bankrupt anyway. | Jul 04 00:24 |
| schestowitz | so whatcha gonna do, kick people to the streets? | Jul 04 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Crime would soar | Jul 04 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only difference is that they nagged me over the phone/letters for 8 months. | Jul 04 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who cares? | Jul 04 00:24 |
| schestowitz | well, debt prisons are worse | Jul 04 00:24 |
| schestowitz | maybe bail out the people | Jul 04 00:25 |
| schestowitz | declare national bankrupcy | Jul 04 00:25 |
| schestowitz | settle with the lenders | Jul 04 00:25 |
| schestowitz | repayment schemes | Jul 04 00:25 |
| schestowitz | and rebuild the whole economy | Jul 04 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bankrupt and down $3,400 to make the letters and phone calls stop is worse than bankrupt and plenty of money to live on. | Jul 04 00:25 |
| schestowitz | this time without zillionaire monopolists | Jul 04 00:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: but for how long? | Jul 04 00:25 |
| schestowitz | does only mandy work? | Jul 04 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Theoretically, bankruptcy is worse for your credit the more you pack into it. | Jul 04 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the bankruptcy itself does 90% of the total damage no matter how big it was. | Jul 04 00:26 |
| schestowitz | https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/07/02/its-not-just-meat-all-farm-and-food-workers-are-in-peril/ | Jul 04 00:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It’s Not Just Meat: All Farm and Food Workers Are in Peril - CounterPunch.org | Jul 04 00:26 | |
| schestowitz | just seen this.. | Jul 04 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if like 95% of the damage is done anyway, throw the rest in. What the hell | Jul 04 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bankruptcy is a Doomsday Weapon against your creditors. | Jul 04 00:27 |
| schestowitz | +52,791 cases | Jul 04 00:27 |
| schestowitz | it can hit 60k | Jul 04 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You would only do it when there's no other way. | Jul 04 00:27 |
| schestowitz | I think cutoff is like 2 hours from now, maybe 3 | Jul 04 00:27 |
| schestowitz | some states report late | Jul 04 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How do personal bankruptcies work in the UK? | Jul 04 00:28 |
| schestowitz | no idea | Jul 04 00:28 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to ever find out, either | Jul 04 00:28 |
| schestowitz | we live a very frugal life | Jul 04 00:28 |
| schestowitz | to avoid these complications | Jul 04 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Here it's a federal court thing, but governed by state law too, so very different state to state. | Jul 04 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "we live a very frugal life"> So do I. | Jul 04 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would have had to file with or without the car, so fuck it. | Jul 04 00:29 |
| schestowitz | if we both lost our jobs, we can live OK for quite some time, our expenses are laughably low | Jul 04 00:29 |
| schestowitz | maybe like $300 a month, food included | Jul 04 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The car was thrown in because I was filing anyway. | Jul 04 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it was my only problem I would have stood pat unless John defaulted on it. | Jul 04 00:29 |
| schestowitz | not including gym etc, but who's paying for a gym not anyway? | Jul 04 00:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: funny story | Jul 04 00:30 |
| schestowitz | get this | Jul 04 00:30 |
| schestowitz | I got... | Jul 04 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why would I file bankruptcy to wipe out a car loan that hadn't gone to shit that would be making my credit score great each time John made a payment on time? | Jul 04 00:30 |
| schestowitz | 2 high-quality chairs... | Jul 04 00:30 |
| schestowitz | for the prize of none | Jul 04 00:30 |
| schestowitz | because they screwed up so badly | Jul 04 00:30 |
| schestowitz | 5 months later they felt so guilty | Jul 04 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Steve Ballmer's wet dream. | Jul 04 00:30 |
| schestowitz | that they let me keep the loaned one | Jul 04 00:30 |
| schestowitz | and delivered the new one I ordered too | Jul 04 00:30 |
| schestowitz | these chairs would have cost like $700 (both) | Jul 04 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: If you wait a while most of these gyms will be liquidated. | Jul 04 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can just buy your own gym out of the bankruptcy auction.. | Jul 04 00:31 |
| schestowitz | made in Germany, very high quality, they're heavy too, lots of metal in them | Jul 04 00:31 |
| schestowitz | maybe 20kg | Jul 04 00:31 |
| schestowitz | our gym does not say if it'll reopen | Jul 04 00:31 |
| schestowitz | they assess the situation | Jul 04 00:31 |
| schestowitz | we paid upfront for a year | Jul 04 00:32 |
| schestowitz | so.. | Jul 04 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Made in Germany. Very high quality" | Jul 04 00:32 |
| schestowitz | the hotel that it's in was bought a year ago | Jul 04 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceRTRIGGERED | Jul 04 00:32 |
| schestowitz | bad time to buy a hotel | Jul 04 00:32 |
| schestowitz | uberchair | Jul 04 00:32 |
| schestowitz | but seriously though | Jul 04 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the hotels here aren't doing well. | Jul 04 00:32 |
| schestowitz | the chinese ones are made of plastics | Jul 04 00:32 |
| schestowitz | germany is good at mechanics | Jul 04 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody traveling. So they are getting "inventive" | Jul 04 00:33 |
| schestowitz | and these chairs are robust, come with 5-year warranty | Jul 04 00:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Red Roof is doing a deal now where you have the room for the day for like $20. | Jul 04 00:33 |
| schestowitz | which I presume means they're not likely to break in that period of time | Jul 04 00:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pitching it to over the road truckers and people who need somewhere to work for the day. | Jul 04 00:33 |
| schestowitz | some get repurposed as hospital beds | Jul 04 00:33 |
| schestowitz | esp. fancy ones | Jul 04 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My guess is that shit goes sideways next month in the bankruptcy courts. | Jul 04 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Keeps getting worse. | Jul 04 00:34 |
| schestowitz | sponsored by state national insurance schemes | Jul 04 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By November the economy will be in total ruin. | Jul 04 00:34 |
| schestowitz | but they then bring in the germs and the viruses | Jul 04 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Biden ads quoting Trump saying everything will recover well playing nonstop. | Jul 04 00:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: reminds you of post-depression .de? | Jul 04 00:34 |
| schestowitz | people unable to buy food? | Jul 04 00:34 |
| schestowitz | (some anyway) | Jul 04 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not really, etnirely. | Jul 04 00:34 |
| schestowitz | but... | Jul 04 00:34 |
| schestowitz | hey... | Jul 04 00:35 |
| schestowitz | "kung flu" | Jul 04 00:35 |
| schestowitz | so there's hope | Jul 04 00:35 |
| schestowitz | someone can be blamed | Jul 04 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the grocery stores were fucking scary there for like 4-5 weeks. | Jul 04 00:35 |
| schestowitz | "we have nukes" | Jul 04 00:35 |
| schestowitz | "let's take it on china" | Jul 04 00:35 |
| schestowitz | and all those "AYYYSHAN" people | Jul 04 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, see, his voters are the ones who will be fucking dead. | Jul 04 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So..... | Jul 04 00:35 |
| schestowitz | (they cannot distinguish anyway) | Jul 04 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I doubt they'll care whose fault this was. | Jul 04 00:35 |
| schestowitz | they have their guns | Jul 04 00:36 |
| schestowitz | their 'huns' | Jul 04 00:36 |
| schestowitz | and their POTUS | Jul 04 00:36 |
| schestowitz | their "45" | Jul 04 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My dad asked how things were going and what the court thing was like. | Jul 04 00:36 |
| schestowitz | you can make a country sound of our it | Jul 04 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told him piss in a cup and throw the fine into the bankruptcy. | Jul 04 00:36 |
| schestowitz | country song out of it | Jul 04 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He disagrees with my politics, but he so enjoys my sense of humor. | Jul 04 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Carl doing OK? | Jul 04 00:37 |
| schestowitz | he's high-risk group, send him baskets of groceries | Jul 04 00:37 |
| schestowitz | my dad still barely leaves the home | Jul 04 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's alive. | Jul 04 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can tell you that he doesn't personally believe anything about not needing masks and hand sanitizer. | Jul 04 00:38 |
| schestowitz | when people already feel like many things can kill them and they're on pills and stuff they don't want this nasty cough to 'finish the job' | Jul 04 00:38 |
| schestowitz | if you stay home | Jul 04 00:38 |
| schestowitz | then you don't need them | Jul 04 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh my god. He smoked for over 20 years (quit in the early 90s). | Jul 04 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's fat. | Jul 04 00:38 |
| schestowitz | I only used a mask once or twice | Jul 04 00:38 |
| schestowitz | usually I just go shop at times and places when nobody is around | Jul 04 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's 68 years old. | Jul 04 00:38 |
| schestowitz | the cashiers have a plastic screen, like ppee | Jul 04 00:39 |
| schestowitz | ppe | Jul 04 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, they have those in place at all the stores now. | Jul 04 00:39 |
| schestowitz | in the streeets you can easily keep massive distance from people depending on time and route | Jul 04 00:39 |
| schestowitz | don't touch face | Jul 04 00:39 |
| schestowitz | except when the shoulder | Jul 04 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I go down to pay for another month in Phil Collins' proverbial paradise here. | Jul 04 00:40 |
| schestowitz | and you probably need to worry about cleaning everythibg you buy, or leave it astray for a week | Jul 04 00:40 |
| schestowitz | we leave lots of things outdoors | Jul 04 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All these fuckin slobs with no masks on coming right up to you while you're at the window. | Jul 04 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's bad. | Jul 04 00:40 |
| schestowitz | some people go to work | Jul 04 00:40 |
| schestowitz | outside | Jul 04 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The guy in the office was like "Hi Ryan! THREE masks?". | Jul 04 00:40 |
| schestowitz | so masks protest them | Jul 04 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Yeah....What's going on in Florida isn't going to stay there.". | Jul 04 00:40 |
| schestowitz | and they want you too to wear them, which is understandable | Jul 04 00:40 |
| schestowitz | I'm not against masks, I just know of scenarios and times when they're not as needed | Jul 04 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have three layers. | Jul 04 00:41 |
| schestowitz | the masks won't protect you from hand contacts | Jul 04 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't go inside anywhere without it strapped to my face so that just about all the air has to go in through the layers. | Jul 04 00:42 |
| MinceR | hey, they do happen to make good quality things in germany | Jul 04 00:42 |
| MinceR | it's just that none of those things happen to be cars | Jul 04 00:42 |
| schestowitz | you still need to wash and keep away from places where the plague is rampant | Jul 04 00:42 |
| schestowitz | some parents' home are like that | Jul 04 00:42 |
| schestowitz | once it sets foot there, it's doom | Jul 04 00:42 |
| schestowitz | and they have no business (people) left | Jul 04 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I did use the "European Car" synthetic motor oil last year. | Jul 04 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm going for yearly oil changes. | Jul 04 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who knew how smart that would end up being? | Jul 04 00:43 |
| MinceR | pretty weird brand name for oil | Jul 04 00:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, not even food | Jul 04 00:43 |
| schestowitz | and berlin sucked last we went | Jul 04 00:43 |
| schestowitz | sucked a lot | Jul 04 00:43 |
| MinceR | i liked berlin a lot more than budapest | Jul 04 00:43 |
| schestowitz | felt like soviet germany or something | Jul 04 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, they label the European formulas here that way. | Jul 04 00:43 |
| MinceR | and some of their food is great too | Jul 04 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Basically means use it in a VW or BMW. | Jul 04 00:43 |
| schestowitz | complete with fencing even | Jul 04 00:43 |
| schestowitz | and shit prices | Jul 04 00:43 |
| MinceR | well, there are some ugly eastern bits remaining, but most of berlin is not like that | Jul 04 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It won't "hurt" a Chevy, but most people are far too cheap to use it in one. | Jul 04 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the stuff holds up for 12 months, so.... | Jul 04 00:44 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's better than hungary | Jul 04 00:44 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 04 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't have to actually do oil changes 2-4 times a year that way. | Jul 04 00:44 |
| schestowitz | but then again, a lot of Europe is | Jul 04 00:44 |
| MinceR | then again, a lot of places are | Jul 04 00:44 |
| schestowitz | like bradford in uk | Jul 04 00:44 |
| schestowitz | and other places we've been | Jul 04 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom wanted to know why I was doing 0w30 in the car. | Jul 04 00:45 |
| schestowitz | you have to remind yourself you didn't fly away offshore | Jul 04 00:45 |
| MinceR | i've never been to the UK | Jul 04 00:45 |
| schestowitz | it's ok, not much here anymore | Jul 04 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told her "Well, it just turns right over even in these hard freezes we get up here.". | Jul 04 00:45 |
| schestowitz | we keep some castle around | Jul 04 00:45 |
| schestowitz | it keeps people deluded about imperial era with "edwardian" and "victorian" and stuff | Jul 04 00:45 |
| schestowitz | and you can buy those old plates from dead old ladies at the charity shops | Jul 04 00:45 |
| schestowitz | to fantasize about british glory days | Jul 04 00:46 |
| schestowitz | with silver/golden lining.. and afternoon tea and stuff | Jul 04 00:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, finally the Coronavirus made Herman Cain as sick as his pizza made anyone who pulled over at a truck stop hungry for something. | Jul 04 00:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | B-) | Jul 04 00:46 |
| schestowitz | UK deteriorated a lot, but hey, who needs bricks... now it's all glass-and-metal cages | Jul 04 00:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Flies buzzing around day old hot lamp pizza. | Jul 04 00:47 |
| schestowitz | and "SHOPPING MALLS!" | Jul 04 00:47 |
| schestowitz | welcome, US | Jul 04 00:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's the CEO here to tell you about his 9-9-9 tax plan from Sim City. | Jul 04 00:47 |
| schestowitz | the 'brothel of consumerism.... shopping malls" | Jul 04 00:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Blacks for Trump! Mysteriously gets COVID a few days after attending Trump's rally in Tulsa. | Jul 04 00:47 |
| schestowitz | "all I needed was this one shop and item..." | Jul 04 00:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder if he signed a waiver. | Jul 04 00:48 |
| schestowitz | +52,791 | Jul 04 00:48 |
| schestowitz | became +54,666 | Jul 04 00:48 |
| schestowitz | new recor | Jul 04 00:48 |
| schestowitz | and it's not over yet | Jul 04 00:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | BING! | Jul 04 00:48 |
| schestowitz | biggest numbers | Jul 04 00:48 |
| schestowitz | big league, bigly | Jul 04 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I kept getting these fortune cookies at the Chinese restaurant back when those existed. | Jul 04 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They said "Learn Chinese: Bing - Disease". | Jul 04 00:49 |
| schestowitz | we still have a restaurant here | Jul 04 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got that one a lot | Jul 04 00:49 |
| schestowitz | yanyan restaurant, run by rianne :-) | Jul 04 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I feel bad for them. | Jul 04 00:49 |
| schestowitz | iirc, lumia was prostitute in spanish | Jul 04 00:49 |
| schestowitz | zune means fuck in hebrew | Jul 04 00:50 |
| schestowitz | microsoft has an obsession with fucking words | Jul 04 00:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If I would risk my life for anything right now, it would be some Chinese food. Not fucking Denny's. | Jul 04 00:50 |
| schestowitz | as long as english speakers don't get it | Jul 04 00:50 |
| schestowitz | maybe azure also has a meaning in some lang/tongue | Jul 04 00:50 |
| schestowitz | tongue... ewww... ballmer | Jul 04 00:50 |
| schestowitz | he won't live long, he longs morbid | Jul 04 00:50 |
| schestowitz | *looks | Jul 04 00:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | +54,704 | Jul 04 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Daily global tally of new covid19 cases now at +196,005 | Jul 04 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It has to go past 57,2323 to beat yesterday. | Jul 04 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *57,232 | Jul 04 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Daily global tally of new covid19 cases now at +196,005. Yesterday's all-time high can be exceeded on 4th of July. | Jul 04 00:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: there's still time | Jul 04 00:53 |
| schestowitz | dad nacht ist yong | Jul 04 00:53 |
| schestowitz | *das | Jul 04 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Amazon almost sent me a subscribe and save order for my body wash. Eh, canceled it. Cheaper at Walmart with the card..... | Jul 04 00:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, Amazon doesn't get to just throw it somewhere for a crackhead to run off with. | Jul 04 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also the nice thing about living in a motel is I can run this air conditioner at 60 all the time and nobody can stop me. | Jul 04 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't have to shout "72! MY POWER BILL!". | Jul 04 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The Germans tried to invade the US......water filter market, recently. | Jul 04 01:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It didn't go well. | Jul 04 01:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now everyone who bought a "Mavea" system has to get on Amazon UK or something and ship Brita Maxtra filters to themselves, or replace their system. | Jul 04 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Brita here in the US is different. They sold the US rights to the brand to Clorox back in the 80s for 20 year exclusivity and then in the early 2000s they sold it to them permanently. | Jul 04 01:03 |
| schestowitz | how about working to improve existing water sources? | Jul 04 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's got the same branding, but the systems are not comparible. | Jul 04 01:04 |
| schestowitz | well, that would not help the filter industry, surely.. | Jul 04 01:04 |
| schestowitz | you poison your own water supply | Jul 04 01:04 |
| schestowitz | then sell filter | Jul 04 01:04 |
| schestowitz | double whammy | Jul 04 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It wouldn't, and don't call me Shirley. | Jul 04 01:04 |
| schestowitz | (we don't use filters here) | Jul 04 01:04 |
| XRevan86 | The two Germanies: Soviet and American | Jul 04 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't really have to use filters here. | Jul 04 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Mandy certainly has used filters before... the water quality there (Luzon) is appalling | Jul 04 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It beats what the fucktard in-laws do. | Jul 04 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have water delivered off of a truck, while they've got a dozen credit cards they can't pay and unreliable cars that are falling apart while the payments are still due. | Jul 04 01:05 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jul 04 01:06 |
| schestowitz | plastic+water as a product | Jul 04 01:06 |
| schestowitz | which costs more | Jul 04 01:06 |
| schestowitz | the plastic? | Jul 04 01:06 |
| schestowitz | or the water? | Jul 04 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | God only knows what that costs them. | Jul 04 01:06 |
| schestowitz | or the petrol to move the water? | Jul 04 01:06 |
| schestowitz | just fix your fucking water sources | Jul 04 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: When Mandy said that the in-laws will probably get divorced soon, I quoted those aliens from Rick & Morty. | Jul 04 01:06 |
| schestowitz | you have rain there, it's mostly clean, it's made of steam originall | Jul 04 01:06 |
| schestowitz | *y | Jul 04 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "I want a divorce!" "You can have one for a goddamned glass of water!" | Jul 04 01:07 |
| schestowitz | well, if they overspend it'll put pressure on the relationship | Jul 04 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's the way their household is heading. | Jul 04 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're under severe debt and they were trying to extort us for Mandy's paycheck. | Jul 04 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh well, the property taxes are due soon. | Jul 04 01:08 |
| schestowitz | but she'll have a divorce cert.. and a BLOODY IPHONE! | Jul 04 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The county bumped the due date a little, but that doesn't really help. | Jul 04 01:08 |
| schestowitz | The pawn shop broker might cough up/out $100 for that used shit | Jul 04 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh my fucking God, their property taxes per year are like $2,000 less than it is to live in this hotel room. | Jul 04 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, they have to pay on a mortgage for another I don't know how long. They probably have a second mortgage, knowing them. | Jul 04 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Utilities. | Jul 04 01:09 |
| schestowitz | no need | Jul 04 01:09 |
| schestowitz | the water comes from the truck | Jul 04 01:09 |
| schestowitz | you can shower in it | Jul 04 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LMAO! | Jul 04 01:09 |
| schestowitz | with a cabo | Jul 04 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Water from a truck. | Jul 04 01:10 |
| schestowitz | the truck opens up | Jul 04 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That is the dumbest thing. I mean, it's not their most outrageous thing, but it's dumb. | Jul 04 01:10 |
| schestowitz | it becomes a mobile swimming pool | Jul 04 01:10 |
| schestowitz | water should be free | Jul 04 01:10 |
| schestowitz | the treatment costs some money | Jul 04 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've been drinking tap water for 36 years. | Jul 04 01:10 |
| schestowitz | and propelling the water for pressure | Jul 04 01:10 |
| schestowitz | the state can take over duty of maintaining the pipes | Jul 04 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, but they're not charging you for the water, really. | Jul 04 01:11 |
| schestowitz | see what happened in flint | Jul 04 01:11 |
| schestowitz | afaik it was a private contractor | Jul 04 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're charging you for the bloated government full of dead weight worse than John. | Jul 04 01:11 |
| schestowitz | assigned by the state | Jul 04 01:11 |
| schestowitz | and they treat is like a business, not public utility/service | Jul 04 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Without Uncle Sugar, where would the people at the health department get their fat paychecks while the Replicators kill everyone. | Jul 04 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who would be my probation officer to make sure that I don't turn into a CRAZY PERSON WITH A KNIFE? | Jul 04 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What about all the cops who are there to kill black people for reaching for their insurance cards? | Jul 04 01:13 |
| schestowitz | their hands must be like pliers | Jul 04 01:13 |
| schestowitz | reaching our for their wallets | Jul 04 01:13 |
| schestowitz | "don't shoot, officer, I honestly have just a wallet" | Jul 04 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure that since speeding ticket revenue is down because the cops don't actually risk their own lives for shit anyway........ | Jul 04 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Something has to go up again. | Jul 04 01:14 |
| schestowitz | "I am going to move my palm to my left chest and pull out a wallet, please don't shoot" | Jul 04 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Perhaps water off a goddamned truck will be cheaper when Illinois is done with us. | Jul 04 01:14 |
| MinceR | 04 014724 < DaemonFC[m]> He's the CEO here to tell you about his 9-9-9 tax plan from Sim City. | Jul 04 01:15 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lbGAzo9RrM | Jul 04 01:15 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Nobody who has a government job gives a flying fuck about anything. They want you off of their books so they can go on lazing about getting more of your money for doing nothing useful at all. | Jul 04 01:16 |
| schestowitz | it should be a crime for a cop to point a loaded gun at anyone while merely pulling out registration papers or a wallet | Jul 04 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After my supervised probation period ended, I got a letter from the State Police demanding to know what happened to my gun permit that the probation officer seized and sent in. | Jul 04 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I had to go back in there and get a copy of the form she sent and I sent it Priority Mail to the police. | Jul 04 01:17 |
| schestowitz | one slippery finger away from death over a stupid stop-over | Jul 04 01:17 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | She's like "What the hell are you doing here? Nobody comes back in here after they're done unless they got sentenced for something else.". | Jul 04 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Oh, you know I just missed your smiling face and the urine cup. Don't lie! You miss it too!". | Jul 04 01:18 |
| schestowitz | if you're in a hotel, you probably don't need a firearm | Jul 04 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She busts out laughing. | Jul 04 01:18 |
| schestowitz | their security should be enough | Jul 04 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Her coworkers looked over like WTF. | Jul 04 01:18 |
| schestowitz | and you don't plan to carry that outdoors, do you? | Jul 04 01:18 |
| schestowitz | you can be gone for sexual language | Jul 04 01:19 |
| schestowitz | even if you're gay | Jul 04 01:19 |
| schestowitz | *done | Jul 04 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was fucking furious about that probation thing. FURIOUS. | Jul 04 01:19 |
| schestowitz | not gone | Jul 04 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not really about the fine. The fine went away. | Jul 04 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Peeing in a damned cup. | Jul 04 01:19 |
| schestowitz | anyway, gotta go | Jul 04 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like I was in there for a drug crime or something. | Jul 04 01:19 |
| schestowitz | wanna write some articles | Jul 04 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With those pieces of shit. | Jul 04 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: My lawyer laughed at me a few times. | Jul 04 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's like "Well, potentially prison.". I said, "I don't do prison. I don't care how much this costs me to get out of. I'm not buttering up my cornhole for those animals. Do something!". | Jul 04 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's like "One of the officers said that you told them you did not have a kniffe.". | Jul 04 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Well, it seems unlikely that I both told them there was no knife while telling them "There's a knife and pepper spray in my left pocket." doesn't it? | Jul 04 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The legal system is not based on fact at all | Jul 04 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They ripped it straight out of Communist China and put some lipstick on the pig. | Jul 04 01:23 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | You know, the part about how you're supposedly innocent and the state has this huge evidentiary burden where they have to prove their case to like, you know 95-99% likely, yet oddly it manages to convict 91% of the people who go in there. | Jul 04 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's 8 points shy of a Nazi People's Court. That and it doesn't have you lined up on a wall and shot. | Jul 04 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's the only real difference here between the American courts and a Nazi People's Court. | Jul 04 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Nobody's life got _worse_ when the court had to shut down. | Jul 04 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Except maybe some lawsuit trolls. | Jul 04 01:28 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Freisler | Jul 04 01:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Roland Freisler - Wikipedia | Jul 04 01:30 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Did people default on credit cards? Perhaps. But the repulsive thing about being sued over credit cards, really, is that when you're sued, instead of the credit card company doing the dirty work and making it front and center how they flay people who didn't pay up, they just sell all the accounts (right to sue) to lawsuit trolls for peanuts and call it a day. | Jul 04 01:30 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3qsImhAswo | Jul 04 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQfW6hHWWuM | Jul 04 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | Video unavailable | Jul 04 01:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The lawsuit troll only does one thing. Figuring out, from the avalanche of deadbeats, who is likely to make the most "productive" lawsuits, and then prioritizing those people to be sued first. | Jul 04 01:31 |
| schestowitz | youtube now censoring for the nazis | Jul 04 01:31 |
| schestowitz | because learning history is verboten | Jul 04 01:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes if they think you don't have anything, they don't ever sue you. But that's rare. | Jul 04 01:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're more likely to "invest" in suing you now, even though you're penniless, and then sitting on it for up to 27 years. | Jul 04 01:31 |
| MinceR | well, naturally | Jul 04 01:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One day, you may have something, you'll have forgotten all about them, and then BAM! | Jul 04 01:32 |
| MinceR | if you learned history, you might see one of these magical symbols that turn you into a nazi | Jul 04 01:32 |
| MinceR | this must be prevented at all costs | Jul 04 01:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Those symbols aren't banned in the US. The Republicans are usually smart enough not to go near them, but to have many of the same policies. | Jul 04 01:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's kind of interesting to watch this outbreak of COVID fanning out from Florida. | Jul 04 01:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois is starting to flare up again. | Jul 04 01:35 |
| MinceR | they are in Germany though | Jul 04 01:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They started opening restaurants last week and we go from like 600 cases a day to like almost 1,000 again. | Jul 04 01:35 |
| MinceR | and many other places in Europe | Jul 04 01:35 |
| MinceR | in Germany, it's illegal to sell a game in which you kill nazis, because apparently nazis are too holy to kill, even virtually. | Jul 04 01:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Let's just dial the fucking plague up 50% so we can go to Dennys. | Jul 04 01:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Jul 04 01:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 04 01:36 |
| MinceR | or maybe seeing a swastika on the uniform of one of your enemies might magically turn you into a nazi | Jul 04 01:36 |
| MinceR | even though this never happened in ww2... | Jul 04 01:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know that's where this is coming from, and the restaurants have only been open for 10 days for the dining area. | Jul 04 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Canada reports 319 new cases | Jul 04 01:37 |
| schestowitz | that's a number one can at least deal with | Jul 04 01:37 |
| schestowitz | not 55k | Jul 04 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I doubt there are people out there who can still sue us, but I'm not letting our bank account go higher than what I could protect if we ended up in court over something. | Jul 04 01:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told Mandy get his paychecks in hard copy so that nobody can just grab them out of the bank after hitting it with a judgment order. That was mostly because of my creditors at the time. | Jul 04 01:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois law actually protects his entire paycheck from garnishment. | Jul 04 01:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | His sister was threatening to sue him and take his money. | Jul 04 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure that one of two things will happen. Either the lawyer is somehow honest and admits she'd get $2 a month until the minimum wage goes up again in January and then nothing. | Jul 04 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or she'll sink thousands into suing us, because it's a dirty lawyer that knows that, but she's paying. | Jul 04 01:41 |
| schestowitz | on what basis can she touch his money? | Jul 04 01:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She told him if he came over here that she'd cover all his bills and his tuition and everything. | Jul 04 01:41 |
| schestowitz | on paper? | Jul 04 01:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now she's saying that he owes her a fuckton of money. | Jul 04 01:41 |
| schestowitz | or verbally? | Jul 04 01:41 |
| schestowitz | haha | Jul 04 01:42 |
| schestowitz | hypocrite | Jul 04 01:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, verbal contracts don't really matter much when you get to court. | Jul 04 01:42 |
| schestowitz | it's her who owes a lot of mobey | Jul 04 01:42 |
| schestowitz | she's passing the buck to someone else | Jul 04 01:42 |
| schestowitz | as if she brought over a labouring mule | Jul 04 01:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Technically, you can make a verbal contract, but if you record it without them knowing that there is a recording going on, you committed a felony. | Jul 04 01:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Illinois, that is. | Jul 04 01:42 |
| schestowitz | ok, so no paper record | Jul 04 01:43 |
| schestowitz | so it's worthless | Jul 04 01:43 |
| schestowitz | laugh it out | Jul 04 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, she wrote down what she spent for stuff, or at least what she says she was. | Jul 04 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That also doesn't matter. | Jul 04 01:43 |
| schestowitz | one more thousand and it's an all-time record today | Jul 04 01:43 |
| schestowitz | +207,846 | Jul 04 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She took out a credit card for him as an authorized user on her account. Legally, it's her account and anything she put on it was a gift. | Jul 04 01:43 |
| schestowitz | tell her to mind her own water | Jul 04 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She doesn't have a leg to stand on and I told Mandy if she does go after us, it'll be him because I sure as hell never agreed to anything, and I'll just go back to Linda and we'll slap his sister with a bankruptcy discharge. | Jul 04 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the court can rule however it wants, but fuck em. | Jul 04 01:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy has no idea how the laws work here. | Jul 04 01:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So he was terrified. | Jul 04 01:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "She can't do shit and if she does somehow convince a state court judge to give it to her, I'll just void out the judge's ruling by having you go into bankruptcy.". | Jul 04 01:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's hardly even worth appealing the state court. Just slam his sister with a bankruptcy and let her be out the filing fee and whatever she paid a lawyer. | Jul 04 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I can cut her to ribbons in two seconds if she tries anything. | Jul 04 01:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I can definitely see how some people in line at the Trustee were saying "Yeah I filed bankruptcy 8 years ago.". | Jul 04 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean my god, you know, 68% of bankruptcies are not primarily flat screen TVs and a boat or three. | Jul 04 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Medical bills. | Jul 04 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In 8 years, yeah you can be under a mountain of medical bills again that you'll never get rid of. | Jul 04 01:51 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois is building up a medical supply stockpile that would last at least 60 days if things got "New York bad" in this next wave, on top of what hospitals already have, which assumes there's going to be no help from the federal government this time either. | Jul 04 01:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: right | Jul 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | she has no power over his salary | Jul 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | those are exceptional powers | Jul 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | in cases like divorce/alimony | Jul 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | or criminal conviction, custody issues | Jul 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | not some lady-with-truck-water wanting to prey on wal-mart worker | Jul 04 01:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's more horrible than that, I just won't go into all of it. | Jul 04 01:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's a real piece of shit though. | Jul 04 01:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She was going absolutely bananas on the phone, both of the phones. Blowing mine up threatening his health care. Threatening to have him killed, basically. | Jul 04 01:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Threatening that she'd have the state take away my license to drive because I had a medication induced seizure in Indiana one time in 2009. | Jul 04 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Threatening that she'd have the state of Illinois investigate my credit cards. | Jul 04 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Telling people in the Philippines about my credit cards and that she'd have me put in prison for the credit cards. | Jul 04 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, she was going full Cave Johnson from Portal 2. | Jul 04 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "I'm going to have my engineers invent a combustible lemon and then I'll burn life's house down, with the lemons!" | Jul 04 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Telling his family in the Philippines that I had him brainwashed. | Jul 04 01:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean it just went on and on and it was so bad that the cell number I had kept despite owing $100,000 to everyone had to be changed to make her abuse stop. | Jul 04 01:59 |
| schestowitz | meh | Jul 04 02:01 |
| schestowitz | gaga | Jul 04 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The reason these bankruptcies get so big is that by the time medical bills are through with you, or you had a divorce or something, the credit card people are small potatoes usually. | Jul 04 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You throw them in because you get to do it once. | Jul 04 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So your whole world is shattered and bankruptcy forces you to break every financial promise you made, no matter how bad you feel about doing it to someone. | Jul 04 02:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then you get branded as "The Bankrupt" for 10 years. | Jul 04 02:02 |
| schestowitz | it is a mutual scenario | Jul 04 02:02 |
| schestowitz | bankrupty ruins your job and family life | Jul 04 02:02 |
| schestowitz | and vice versa | Jul 04 02:02 |
| schestowitz | it's a feedback loop | Jul 04 02:03 |
| schestowitz | stress and breakdown | Jul 04 02:03 |
| schestowitz | so you end up both broke and alone | Jul 04 02:03 |
| schestowitz | not either or | Jul 04 02:03 |
| schestowitz | never ends well | Jul 04 02:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and I filed because it's not as bad as maybe getting into the interview and having some government asshole saying my debt is hanging over us and will probably cause the marriage to collapse. | Jul 04 02:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least this way I can say "Well, the debt is gone and I have a plan to rebuild. So what's the holdup?". | Jul 04 02:04 |
| schestowitz | depends on your objective | Jul 04 02:05 |
| schestowitz | I don't suppose you want to help save their marriage | Jul 04 02:05 |
| schestowitz | after how they terrorised you two | Jul 04 02:05 |
| schestowitz | I would not blame you | Jul 04 02:05 |
| schestowitz | though I think I helped save some marriages | Jul 04 02:05 |
| schestowitz | I always oppose divorces | Jul 04 02:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, I would prefer that theirs collapses so that they have something to worry about other than her delusions about getting me in trouble with the state. | Jul 04 02:06 |
| schestowitz | I keep saying, it always ends up worse off by both people, the couple | Jul 04 02:06 |
| schestowitz | for instant gratification of having it "done with" | Jul 04 02:06 |
| schestowitz | I almost never met anyone better off after a divorce | Jul 04 02:06 |
| schestowitz | neither side | Jul 04 02:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Our marriage is strong and I don't see anything collapsing it unless it's the government or those sacks of shit relatives of his. | Jul 04 02:06 |
| schestowitz | but in some cases I could not save the people from divorcing anywaty | Jul 04 02:07 |
| schestowitz | or splitting up | Jul 04 02:07 |
| schestowitz | I think I saved at least 3 couples | Jul 04 02:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I'm going to vote for that new tax law. | Jul 04 02:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Doesn't help us a lot. Small tax cut. | Jul 04 02:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Takes about $3,000 more from the in-laws each year. | Jul 04 02:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Might cause them to collapse sooner. | Jul 04 02:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: a crisis can bring a couple closer together | Jul 04 02:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You try. | Jul 04 02:07 |
| schestowitz | it's all about attitude | Jul 04 02:07 |
| schestowitz | an old friend of mine, Roy, said they had kept together cause they could not afford to live in isolation | Jul 04 02:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: She's probably over there fuming that they didn't get their 4 annual trips to Europe because of the virus. | Jul 04 02:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Jul 04 02:08 |
| schestowitz | and he was probably right... I suppose he's dead now, he was obese and in his 60s... 2 decades ago | Jul 04 02:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know why anyone would vacation there. | Jul 04 02:08 |
| schestowitz | no need | Jul 04 02:09 |
| schestowitz | US has the same | Jul 04 02:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You already live in America's Greece....Illinois. | Jul 04 02:09 |
| schestowitz | and shorter trip, no jet lag | Jul 04 02:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You want America's Hungary, Indiana is next door. | Jul 04 02:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sorry, MinceR | Jul 04 02:09 |
| schestowitz | that's like me going to the US, only reason might be visiting family | Jul 04 02:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Germany's age of consent is 14, so you have Europe's Alabama over there on that one. | Jul 04 02:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: well, the more she fumes, the closer the bankruptcy | Jul 04 02:10 |
| schestowitz | so hang in there, let her fold | Jul 04 02:10 |
| schestowitz | this is all interesting to me | Jul 04 02:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If anyone is going back to the mall, it's her. | Jul 04 02:10 |
| schestowitz | those "interesting times" | Jul 04 02:10 |
| schestowitz | 2008 was a lesser crisis | Jul 04 02:10 |
| schestowitz | nevertheless a real one | Jul 04 02:10 |
| schestowitz | and we don't even have the antibodies yet | Jul 04 02:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She uses "retail therapy" on the debt card to decompensate for being a psycho. | Jul 04 02:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Jul 04 02:11 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: consent for what? Marriage? | Jul 04 02:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sex, I think. | Jul 04 02:11 |
| schestowitz | maybe for young couples | Jul 04 02:11 |
| schestowitz | not adult-adolescent | Jul 04 02:11 |
| schestowitz | they would not tolerate a 40 yo and 14 yo | Jul 04 02:11 |
| schestowitz | no way | Jul 04 02:12 |
| schestowitz | unless your's muslim | Jul 04 02:12 |
| schestowitz | then they'll just pretend the law does not exist... because "multiculturalism" | Jul 04 02:12 |
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| schestowitz | (not just in Germany BTW and it is a growing problem as it can legitimate the practice of child marriage also outside Islam) | Jul 04 02:12 |
| schestowitz | *legitimise | Jul 04 02:12 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "then they'll just pretend the la"> Uh, that's likely to make things worse for you in much of the US. | Jul 04 02:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Shave the beard, Muhammad, and take your chances with all the other perverts. | Jul 04 02:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's the best legal advice I can give them at that point. | Jul 04 02:17 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jul 04 02:17 |
| schestowitz | well, here's the thing | Jul 04 02:17 |
| schestowitz | it mornalises the practice in the West | Jul 04 02:17 |
| schestowitz | as in the name of equality before the law any John or Carl or Steinar or Dirk can also ask to marry a young girl | Jul 04 02:18 |
| schestowitz | young as in pubescent in some case, or pre | Jul 04 02:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There is no universe where a 40 year old and a 14 year old is not a predatory relationship. | Jul 04 02:18 |
| schestowitz | never mind the religion if the state is separated from the 'church' (or mosque) | Jul 04 02:19 |
| schestowitz | and then they can also adopt marriage quality | Jul 04 02:19 |
| schestowitz | *equality | Jul 04 02:19 |
| schestowitz | and start marrying "young boys" | Jul 04 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John did have a trove of child porn. | Jul 04 02:19 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: usually a friend giving his daughter to a friend" | Jul 04 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I found out about it near the end and told him to destroy it and never talk about it again. | Jul 04 02:20 |
| schestowitz | "but they're getting married, it's totally kosher or halal or whatever" | Jul 04 02:20 |
| schestowitz | so john is also a pedophile | Jul 04 02:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At the point where things happened to me regarding what became Disorderly Conduct, the "relationship" was all about appearances for me trying to keep my car and not be out on my ass. | Jul 04 02:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which I lost anyway. | Jul 04 02:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, John is a pedophile. | Jul 04 02:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He also had chats with others. | Jul 04 02:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who would believe me now? | Jul 04 02:21 |
| schestowitz | I want to ask | Jul 04 02:21 |
| schestowitz | about billgates | Jul 04 02:21 |
| schestowitz | and his worker | Jul 04 02:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If anything they'd just turn it around on me. | Jul 04 02:21 |
| schestowitz | since the lead came from google | Jul 04 02:22 |
| schestowitz | is there a chance they knew when hiring him | Jul 04 02:22 |
| schestowitz | and used that to terminate him? | Jul 04 02:22 |
| schestowitz | or to gain some leverage over him? | Jul 04 02:22 |
| schestowitz | or that google targeted him specifically? | Jul 04 02:22 |
| schestowitz | mind you, an gf of epstein has just been arrested by the fbi | Jul 04 02:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, it's possible they could overlook it if they liked the work he was doing. | Jul 04 02:22 |
| schestowitz | i need to read more into it to understand | Jul 04 02:22 |
| schestowitz | now some dems work to 'secure' her in prison | Jul 04 02:23 |
| schestowitz | so she doesn't get 'suicide' too | Jul 04 02:23 |
| schestowitz | *suicided' | Jul 04 02:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I contemplated suicide when I was facing the charges. | Jul 04 02:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I decided to wait and see what kind of a plea deal I could arrange. | Jul 04 02:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was for an "alleged violent crime". | Jul 04 02:24 |
| schestowitz | suicide sucks | Jul 04 02:24 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't accomplish anything | Jul 04 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I figured there'd be no way forward. They don't even rent apartments to you if your record says that. | Jul 04 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John knew what he was doing. | Jul 04 02:24 |
| schestowitz | unless you're in a prison labour camp or something, with no release date | Jul 04 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He knew that I'd be bogged down trying to save myself and that nothing I had to say about him would ever be believed. | Jul 04 02:24 |
| schestowitz | he's names like a toilet sear | Jul 04 02:25 |
| schestowitz | *seat | Jul 04 02:25 |
| schestowitz | figures | Jul 04 02:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, he was on Grindr when he was underage and living with his dad. | Jul 04 02:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Had random people coming in the house to fuck him while his dad was at work. | Jul 04 02:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I feel sorry for his parents. They failed so bad with him. I'm sure they don't need me to tell them that. | Jul 04 02:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I found out a lot of this stuff years in, and I just.... I should have gotten up and left. Even if it meant living in the car. | Jul 04 02:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, that would have been what I would have done if I had known what was coming. | Jul 04 02:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Technically, you can just renew your driver's license by living in an extended stay hotel long enough to get it in the mail. | Jul 04 02:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then check out and go back to being homeless I guess. | Jul 04 02:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I did absolutely nothing wrong, until I had to get myself out of that mess. | Jul 04 02:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only thing I did wrong was stay quiet about what I knew of John. I figured the lease would be up in several months and I could just leave. | Jul 04 02:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got my punishment for that I guess. | Jul 04 02:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Oh the police are horrible people. | Jul 04 02:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were threatening me with years in prison. Triple what was even theoretically possible. | Jul 04 02:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were trying very hard to get me to talk to them at the station. | Jul 04 02:31 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | This whole goddamned thing closes out next month and I can move on. In two years I can pay my lawyer to go back and petition for an expungement of the record that it ever happened. | Jul 04 02:32 |
| schestowitz | maybe he'll be arrested one day | Jul 04 02:33 |
| schestowitz | and you'll find out by seeing his name as registered offender | Jul 04 02:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He deserves much worse. | Jul 04 02:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got a letter in the mail from Western Union saying someone made a car payment through them. | Jul 04 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't give a shit. The account's closed on my end. | Jul 04 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I couldn't talk to him if I wanted to. | Jul 04 02:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The court order making it a misdemeanor to talk to him doesn't expire until August 7th. | Jul 04 02:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Besides, I saw a lot of people in court saying "Well, it expired and now he's harassing me again!". | Jul 04 02:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they can drag you back into court and get another one using your "prior bad behavior" to bootstrap this one. | Jul 04 02:36 |
| schestowitz | sorry, lagging | Jul 04 02:36 |
| schestowitz | just finalising some Daily Links | Jul 04 02:36 |
| schestowitz | I find the whole convo interesting and fruitful though | Jul 04 02:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that someone like Gates wouldn't have a moral problem knowingly hiring a pedophile. | Jul 04 02:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's shown that he'll do anything if it means more money for him, and that he has absolutely no regard for the law. | Jul 04 02:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the deposition in the US v. Microsoft case, he displayed combativeness, evasiveness, all signs that he was lying. | Jul 04 02:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He has no moral or ethical imperatives, and knowingly hiring a pedophile wouldn't be the worst thing he's ever done I'm sure. | Jul 04 02:39 |
| schestowitz | well, what we know | Jul 04 02:39 |
| schestowitz | 1) he knew what epstein had done | Jul 04 02:39 |
| schestowitz | 2) still kept close to him | Jul 04 02:39 |
| schestowitz | 3) worked to whiten his reputation | Jul 04 02:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's interesting that Google turned him over to the police, unprompted. | Jul 04 02:39 |
| schestowitz | 4) visited him in prison for it | Jul 04 02:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder how many people that they do that with, though. | Jul 04 02:39 |
| schestowitz | so we more or less know Bill doesn't see that as a big deal | Jul 04 02:40 |
| schestowitz | just a pesky "PR" issue | Jul 04 02:40 |
| schestowitz | for the "Epstein Foundation" or "Giving Pledge" to fix | Jul 04 02:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they throw thousands of pedophiles that were fucking stupid enough to put child porn on a Google Drive to the police, then he might not be special. | Jul 04 02:40 |
| schestowitz | google drive AND... | Jul 04 02:40 |
| schestowitz | gmail | Jul 04 02:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it's unheard of, maybe he was targeted. | Jul 04 02:40 |
| schestowitz | without encryption | Jul 04 02:40 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how many people transmit such stuff | Jul 04 02:40 |
| schestowitz | later they came to his house, found thousands more | Jul 04 02:41 |
| schestowitz | he had msn account also | Jul 04 02:41 |
| schestowitz | but we know nothing about the contents | Jul 04 02:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably a lot, because child porn troves generally belong to people of a subpar IQ. | Jul 04 02:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They lack basic cognitive development somewhere. | Jul 04 02:41 |
| schestowitz | the police sent no request to MSFT (maybe it did, if a future installment of foia shows that) | Jul 04 02:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was actually studied. | Jul 04 02:41 |
| schestowitz | comcast was asked for records, which it complied with unchallenged | Jul 04 02:41 |
| schestowitz | based upon meme suspicion at the time | Jul 04 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Can't remember the specifics, but people busted for CP or admitting to interest in people too young to hav sexually developed were shown to have a much lower average IQ. | Jul 04 02:42 |
| schestowitz | maybe they look for mentally 'compatible' beings... | Jul 04 02:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: John's intelligence was low. I'd say the only thing that he invested much thought into is how to have sex all the time with different people and how to do just enough at work to avoid getting fired. | Jul 04 02:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He got written up for flagging a pizza in the x-ray and then losing track of it. | Jul 04 02:43 |
| schestowitz | Do you want to help me with the docs? | Jul 04 02:44 |
| schestowitz | for us to publish? | Jul 04 02:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They actually stopped the line and went looking for a pizza and then wrote him up when nobody found it. | Jul 04 02:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | He told me all kinds of things about the TSA that I'm not supposed to know. | Jul 04 02:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "Do you want to help me with the "> How so? | Jul 04 02:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He told me how to get marijuana through the airport if I wanted to. | Jul 04 02:46 |
| schestowitz | the docs I can put on a public space | Jul 04 02:46 |
| schestowitz | they're already redacted | Jul 04 02:46 |
| schestowitz | but you can write something to explain them | Jul 04 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What they're looking for/not looking for. Who to avoid. How to act so that the BDO doesn't flag you. | Jul 04 02:46 |
| schestowitz | and maybe take screenshots | Jul 04 02:46 |
| schestowitz | we still need an article on how google handled it | Jul 04 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What to say so they won't persist in asking about an organic mass. | Jul 04 02:47 |
| schestowitz | there are dozens of pages related to that | Jul 04 02:47 |
| schestowitz | it helps explain how google and the police work together | Jul 04 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I don't know exactly what all they do. | Jul 04 02:48 |
| schestowitz | so TSA literally employed and still employs a pedophile | Jul 04 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just know that I wouldn't put anything illegal there. | Jul 04 02:48 |
| schestowitz | with CP in his home | Jul 04 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, they do. | Jul 04 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John is a pedophile who told me everything about their operating procedure that could basically mean getting anything onto a plane. | Jul 04 02:48 |
| schestowitz | can you do an article about it if I share the docs? | Jul 04 02:48 |
| schestowitz | at the end we'll release the docs, but not yet, maybe next year | Jul 04 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Possibly. Over the weekend maybe. | Jul 04 02:49 |
| schestowitz | the PD (Seattle) might not release further installments if we just dump these online | Jul 04 02:49 |
| schestowitz | ok, wait | Jul 04 02:49 |
| schestowitz | it would be advertised over irc, I guess | Jul 04 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The reason we are having this discussion is because I'm not as stupid as I like to look in public. | Jul 04 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was not easily manipulated by the police and I took advantage of numerous mistakes that the state made. | Jul 04 02:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lots of things really. | Jul 04 02:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're basically trying to bullshit someone who has had nothing but time on his hands to study psychology. | Jul 04 02:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It backfired on them badly. That's why like 95% of what I was up against went away. | Jul 04 02:51 |
| schestowitz | uploading... | Jul 04 02:51 |
| schestowitz | the aspect I trust you to cover is, how google is dealing with this? | Jul 04 02:51 |
| schestowitz | I touched on the comcast part | Jul 04 02:51 |
| schestowitz | with some screenshots | Jul 04 02:51 |
| schestowitz | the google side would be a little more lengthy | Jul 04 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, Google can basically do anything they want to with your Android phone. | Jul 04 02:52 |
| schestowitz | have a look at the docs, which are redacted by SPD | Jul 04 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a creepy system and Apple said they're private and then this COVID 19 thing that you can't say no to installed itself on Mandy's phone. | Jul 04 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | From Apple. | Jul 04 02:52 |
| schestowitz | then take screenshot and write text about it, we'll publish that next week | Jul 04 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It reports to the government if someone who tests positive for COVID walked past you. | Jul 04 02:53 |
| schestowitz | I am working on an article tbout the Edge debacle in the meantime | Jul 04 02:53 |
| schestowitz | first doc (I know it's publicly logged) http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/14-22121-4_Redacted.pdf | Jul 04 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Edge is really getting nasty with people who want to use another browser. It just won't take no for an answer. It's basically like a rapist. | Jul 04 02:53 |
| schestowitz | still uploading the rest | Jul 04 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The way that Edge operates reminds me of like every boss who corners the secretary and demands sex. | Jul 04 02:54 |
| schestowitz | second doc | Jul 04 02:54 |
| schestowitz | Attachment Display Settings | Jul 04 02:54 |
| schestowitz | oops | Jul 04 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, it's "asking" while it has its arm up to block you from leaving. | Jul 04 02:55 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/14-22121-3.pdf | Jul 04 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's striking how much this is like sexual harassment. | Jul 04 02:55 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/14-22121-1_Redacted.pdf | Jul 04 02:55 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/14-22121-2.pdf | Jul 04 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Take your time with these | Jul 04 02:55 |
| schestowitz | take notes, take screenshots, explain aspects of it, with focus on google | Jul 04 02:55 |
| schestowitz | we covered several other aspects, feel free to cover more | Jul 04 02:55 |
| schestowitz | we're the only site reporting on this foia afaik | Jul 04 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Women were complaining about Jeremy Soule and Bethesda just ignored it and had him keep on working on their video game soundtracks. | Jul 04 02:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "we're the only site reporting on"> Yeah, it's embarrassing for Microsoft and Google. I'm sure that Google News and Bing are getting right on floating things to the top about it if anything is out there already. :P | Jul 04 02:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Brb. Time to get Mandy. | Jul 04 02:57 |
| schestowitz | ok | Jul 04 02:59 |
| schestowitz | thanks for helping us | Jul 04 02:59 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Interesting that the detective said "blowjob" in his report. | Jul 04 03:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'd think that he could have said "was receiving oral sex". | Jul 04 03:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The third person depicted in the photo is not visible enough to provide a description of age or sex." | Jul 04 03:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why would you make a photo of yourself engaged in a criminal act with your face or identifying features visible? | Jul 04 03:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, if they identify the children in the picture, they'll probably get them to ID the adult even though he was not in the picture. That would be pretty damning in court. | Jul 04 03:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "I activated my voice recorder and Det. Vijarro activated her audio/video recorder. I advised JONES that our conversation was being both audio & video recorded and advised him that he was not under arrest, did not have to answer any questions or make any statements and that he was free to leave at any time." | Jul 04 03:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's when you should leave. | Jul 04 03:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Leave and get a lawyer, immediately. "The police were here and they just had some questions that I answered." is about the time that any good lawyer will facepalm and go "What did you tell them?". | Jul 04 03:33 |
| schestowitz | they probably had enough to arrest him at that point | Jul 04 03:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're their most helpful witness. If they can get you to admit to anything, they'll hang you in court with your own words. | Jul 04 03:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe fearing what the mansions staff might do if they did | Jul 04 03:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Okay, let them arrest and still don't answer any questions. | Jul 04 03:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "maybe fearing what the mansions "> Yes, they can lie, and they often do. If they have enough to arrest, they'll do it immediately as soon as you excuse yourself. | Jul 04 03:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I doubt they care about the mansion staff. | Jul 04 03:36 |
| schestowitz | remember that at this point they had already collected lots of evidence | Jul 04 03:36 |
| schestowitz | inc. lots of CP | Jul 04 03:36 |
| schestowitz | and photos of kids with nagatives | Jul 04 03:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're not just going to let this guy casually stroll off after they just told him that he's under investigation for child sex crimes so that he can get on the next airplane out of the country. | Jul 04 03:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hurr Durr. | Jul 04 03:36 |
| schestowitz | you can see aspects of it which we covered in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2020 | Jul 04 03:36 |
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| schestowitz | the past few week's worth in particular | Jul 04 03:36 |
| schestowitz | after the foia stuff trickled in | Jul 04 03:37 |
| schestowitz | but we did not cover some aspects... yet | Jul 04 03:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | " I then read JONES his Miranda warnings and proceeded with an interview" | Jul 04 03:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they told him he was not under arrest and then immediately arrested him. | Jul 04 03:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nice! | Jul 04 03:38 |
| schestowitz | when they read it out | Jul 04 03:38 |
| schestowitz | it means he's arrested? | Jul 04 03:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, if they are just doing a knock and talk, there's no miranda. | Jul 04 03:38 |
| schestowitz | oh, ok.. I didn't know that | Jul 04 03:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Knock and talk is just "two guys having a conversation". | Jul 04 03:38 |
| schestowitz | so i suppose technically they lied | Jul 04 03:38 |
| schestowitz | or maybe the first line was a minute before technically it becomes an arrest | Jul 04 03:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, they lied. | Jul 04 03:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, they also told him that he was free to go. | Jul 04 03:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was a lie. | Jul 04 03:39 |
| schestowitz | so what would happen if he existed the open door? | Jul 04 03:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The miranda means you're under arrest. It's not just a conversation. | Jul 04 03:39 |
| schestowitz | handcuffs? | Jul 04 03:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They would have grabbed him and handcuffed him. | Jul 04 03:40 |
| schestowitz | *exited | Jul 04 03:40 |
| schestowitz | manipulative cops | Jul 04 03:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He was going to be arrested the minute they saw him, but this way it tricks him into thinking that they might not. | Jul 04 03:40 |
| schestowitz | remember these docs are part 1 our of 12 | Jul 04 03:40 |
| schestowitz | they may take 8 months to send the next 11 | Jul 04 03:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This gets the wheels going and makes you think you might talk your way out of it and they go away. | Jul 04 03:40 |
| schestowitz | there may be more connections in there to other events, maybe even the epstein thing | Jul 04 03:41 |
| schestowitz | if you consider the timelines of the visits gates made and the flights | Jul 04 03:41 |
| schestowitz | but so far no such connections found | Jul 04 03:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: If they got out there and he wasn't there, and he didn't come home, like someone tipped him off, they would go back to court and get an arrest warrant. | Jul 04 03:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which goes into a national database. | Jul 04 03:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the crime is a felony, then whatever state they find you in has to send you back. | Jul 04 03:42 |
| schestowitz | ok, interesting... | Jul 04 03:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it's a misdemeanor, they usually call up the arresting state and go "Hey, we have Mr. so and so, and you have a warrant. Do you want to come get him?". | Jul 04 03:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you're in the next county over the line, maybe they do. | Jul 04 03:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you're wanted on a drunk and disorderly in Illinois and they find you in Florida, the cops will come in and say "Illinois isn't going to send anyone. You can go.". But you can always be detained any time anywhere so they call Illinois and ask if they want you. | Jul 04 03:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This can potentially go on forever. | Jul 04 03:44 |
| schestowitz | afaik he did not return home | Jul 04 03:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: So, Austin's best bet is to keep out of Illinois. He'll always have to explain why there's a warrant out for him, which means many employers and landlords won't do business with him. | Jul 04 03:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or he can come to Illinois and surrender and take what's coming to him. | Jul 04 03:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Misdemeanor warrants are basically there to be annoying enough that you'll come back and surrender. | Jul 04 03:46 |
| schestowitz | anyway, I'm knackered and need some slee | Jul 04 03:46 |
| schestowitz | I will read what's here when I wake up | Jul 04 03:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "JONES confirmed his physical address." | Jul 04 03:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, you do have to tell the cops where you live, but he could have handed them his ID. | Jul 04 03:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "though he has had people staying with him intermittently (most recently Nov/Dec 2013)." | Jul 04 03:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It wasn't me looking at it, fellas! It was someone in my house! ;) | Jul 04 03:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He thinks he's outsmarting the cops, because he doesn't know that they know about the Google Drive. he probably thinks that he can pin this on someone who was staying with him. | Jul 04 03:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "He uses two (2) email accounts" and he told them the account names | Jul 04 03:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bad move. They could prove it some other way, but he just handed it to them. | Jul 04 03:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He told them what computer it was on and admitted to talking with the guy he got it from. | Jul 04 03:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Again, he doesn't have to lie to them. He just had to shut up. | Jul 04 03:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He told them where it was stored, how long he had been collecting it, and how often he viewed and masturbated to it. | Jul 04 03:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Dumb, dumb, and dumb. The last two parts won't affect the charges, but it will be read back to the jury. | Jul 04 03:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "This is a sick, sick, individual. When the police asked him how long he collected it, he said 'TEN YEARS'! Unprompted, he told them he masturbated to it 3 times a week!". | Jul 04 03:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's going to come up at the sentencing. | Jul 04 03:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The prosecution will want to maximize the sentence by making the jury hate this man to death. That's going to do it. | Jul 04 03:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | " 44,983 files" | Jul 04 03:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Will be repeated for the jury during sentencing, with emphasis. | Jul 04 03:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As to the hash values, the 33,000+ unknowns will likely be tagged and fed back into Google so that any other instances of them on Drive can be identified and more people reported to the police. | Jul 04 03:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What they're doing here is that every time they raid someone's trove, they're training an algorithm to identify not just that particular image, but facial features. So then Google can scan for those faces in photos and videos on Drive and discover even more, even if it was not that particular photo/video. | Jul 04 03:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google basically is going over files on Drive, for viruses, but the same program is also scanning for this. | Jul 04 03:59 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Well, schestowitz , the detective is having him hang himself some more. | Jul 04 04:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He showed him some of the images and asked about how old "Rick" thought they were. | Jul 04 04:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When he replied "15-16", that made the "possible" cases turn into actual charges that he will be facing, because their age at that point becomes irrelevant. He "intended" for them to be 15-16 when he stored them. | Jul 04 04:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that's an offense for every such image. | Jul 04 04:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he said nothing at all they probably couldn't proceed on any charge the detective said was "possible". | Jul 04 04:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They would have dropped at least some of them, so he's facing more charges than what were necessarily coming because he told them what his intent was. | Jul 04 04:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This guy is really dumb. | Jul 04 04:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So he might be facing twice as many chargeable offenses vs. if he had just said nothing. | Jul 04 04:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a "starting point" for how bad this will get and there's the "How bad can you make it by talking?" point. | Jul 04 04:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It can get worse by talking, but it will never get better than what the starting point was. | Jul 04 04:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Also in item #9 was an Express Stop photo envelope that contained photographs and negatives of young boys on a beach (clothed; swimming suits). The subjects did not appear to know they were being photographed. The beach is likely in Mexico or some other spot in Central/South America." | Jul 04 04:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That part isn't necessarily a crime. So they'll just bring it up in sentencing. | Jul 04 04:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The creepy old pervert was on a beach taking pictures of minors, who didn't even know he was there. | Jul 04 04:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The judge gagged Comcast for 90 days. | Jul 04 04:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't imagine why they would have their lawyer fight the gag order to tip off this guy. | Jul 04 04:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | --- | Jul 04 04:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He says in his search warrant request that in his experience, ISPs and service providers such as Google "usually monitor their networks" for stuff like this. | Jul 04 04:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, Comcast monitors everything. I believe that a casual user should use something like HTTPS Everywhere in Encrypt All Sites Eligible mode and use ublock-origin. | Jul 04 04:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just to hand illegal stuff over to the cops isn't even the main reason Comcast monitors and logs. | Jul 04 04:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Your information is something it can sell to advertisers so they can attach it to their files about you. | Jul 04 04:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google Container and Facebook Container are not a bad idea, actually. | Jul 04 04:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if you're logged out of both of them or don't have an account, they like to set cookies and track you. | Jul 04 04:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have other methods, but this is something easy that can help wall them off. | Jul 04 04:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | --- | Jul 04 04:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The CDC now projects nearly 148,000 coronavirus deaths in the United States by July 25. | Jul 04 04:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, IMHE was saying 132,000 by August 4th. Pffftt. | Jul 04 04:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The best advice for dealing with the police came from Saul Goodman on a Breaking Bad episode. | Jul 04 04:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "What did you tell them? Because if it was _anything_, you're wrong." | Jul 04 04:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suspect that the government already knows I filed bankruptcy and have a lot of MP3s. | Jul 04 04:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh well. | Jul 04 04:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was talking to Mandy about Chinese people eating cats. | Jul 04 05:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "It takes a really fucked up person to eat something that wants to be your friend.". | Jul 04 05:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, chickens don't want to be your friend. | Jul 04 05:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People who eat cats are worse than child molesters. | Jul 04 05:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think eating a cat should be 25 years in prison per offense and that they should have to go on a list so nobody will ever hire them or rent them an apartment. They need a list for people who eat cats. | Jul 04 05:06 |
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| schestowitz | chicken too can be loyal | Jul 04 07:11 |
| schestowitz | bird/fowl in general | Jul 04 07:11 |
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| schestowitz | why uk case death ratio high https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-five-reasons-why-the-uk-death-toll-is-so-high-140005 | Jul 04 07:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theconversation.com | Coronavirus: five reasons why the UK death toll is so high | Jul 04 07:38 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 07:38 |
| schestowitz | At the start of the coronavirus pandemic, UK government advisers suggested that 20,000 UK deaths would be a good outcome. Today, the tally sits at more than 45,000. | Jul 04 07:38 |
| schestowitz | There is no doubt the UK has been hit hard by coronavirus, and has the second-largest number of deaths worldwide, trailing only the USA which has five times the population and 111,139 deaths. | Jul 04 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Where did the UK go wrong? And how will it prevent further deaths if a secondary pandemic wave occurs as it reopens? Modelling and epidemiology give us some clues. | Jul 04 07:39 |
| schestowitz | 1. Lockdown was too late | Jul 04 07:39 |
| schestowitz | The UK acted too slowly in imposing its lockdown on March 23, which allowed the initial infection to quickly spread out of control. This was the case with infections within the UK and those coming from abroad. | Jul 04 07:39 |
| schestowitz | The first case of COVID-19 in the UK was on January 31 – that is almost two months before the imposition of the lockdown on March 23. Other countries, such as China and Italy, were much quicker to impose their full lockdowns – in Italy the first case was also reported on January 31, but the lockdown was imposed from March 9. | Jul 04 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 07:39 |
| schestowitz | "A recent study suggests that most COVID-19 introductions in the UK occurred during March 2020 and that 34% of UK infections originated in Spain, 29% in France, 16% in Italy and 23% in other countries. If the lockdown had been imposed sooner and travel between countries stopped earlier, it’s possible a number of infections and deaths could have been prevented." | Jul 04 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 07:40 |
| schestowitz | In the initial stages of the epidemic, the UK did not account for infections and deaths in settings other than hospitals, crucially leaving out those that took place in care homes. | Jul 04 07:40 |
| schestowitz | Understanding the roles of hotspots, like care homes, and super spreaders – people who are responsible for infecting an especially large number of others – is crucial at the onset of an epidemic. The UK government should have been taking this into account from the end of January, not from April, when care home deaths began to be added to tallies. | Jul 04 07:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 07:40 |
| schestowitz | "Another reason the UK is experiencing large number of COVID-19 deaths is that the country was late to instigate a large-scale testing, tracing and isolation strategy. Although some testing has been conducted, the stance in the UK was to encourage symptomatic people to solely isolate in order to prevent onwards transmission." | Jul 04 07:41 |
| schestowitz | https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/commentary/coronavirus-covid-uk-death-rate-infection-case-lockdown-europe-12835776 | Jul 04 07:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.channelnewsasia.com | Commentary: Why are COVID-19 death rates in the UK so high? - CNA | Jul 04 07:42 | |
| schestowitz | "Understanding the roles of hotspots, like care homes, and super spreaders – people who are responsible for infecting an especially large number of others – is crucial at the onset of an epidemic." | Jul 04 07:42 |
| schestowitz | https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24632853-300-why-have-there-been-so-many-coronavirus-deaths-in-the-uk/ | Jul 04 07:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newscientist.com | Why have there been so many coronavirus deaths in the UK? | New Scientist | Jul 04 07:43 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 07:43 |
| schestowitz | This view is shared by infectious disease and public health experts. “We have been playing catch-up from the start,” says Helen Ward at Imperial College London. She cites slowness on testing, tracing and isolating people, and on social distancing. A national lockdown wasn’t imposed until 23 March, about two months after the country’s first confirmed case. | Jul 04 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Neil Ferguson at Imperial, who was a member of the government’s science advisers, the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), until early May, says that while the high number of deaths is partly down to the UK being so connected to the rest of the world, speed was also a factor. “Part of it is clearly down to implementing lockdown relatively later than other countries did,” he says. | Jul 04 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24632853-300-why-have-there-been-so-many-coronavirus-deaths-in-the-uk/#ixzz6RCpVUQHg | Jul 04 07:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newscientist.com | Why have there been so many coronavirus deaths in the UK? | New Scientist | Jul 04 07:43 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 07:43 |
| schestowitz | https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/04/trump-next-propaganda-misinformation-war-coronavirus-death-toll-motality.html | Jul 04 07:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slate.com | Trump’s next propaganda war will be the coronavirus death toll. | Jul 04 07:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.liphook.uk/?section=interactive&page=talkback_thread_wide&id=31971 | Jul 04 07:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.liphook.uk | Liphook, Hampshire, United Kingdom (UK) - the community website | Jul 04 07:45 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 07:45 |
| schestowitz | I think it was clear early on that our government were at least two weeks too late in imposing lockdown as they stressed the need for 'herd immunity'. Then there was a chronic shortage of PPE due to being unprepared. This is not meant as an anti-Tory statement although it does reflect on those in charge. To be fair some of it may have been due to the greater population density in the UK and a greater number of international travellers | Jul 04 07:45 |
| schestowitz | arriving in London - making an early lockdown and quarantine of new arrivals even more important. | Jul 04 07:45 |
| schestowitz | Now we are at risk of easing lockdown too early, with new cases still at about 8000 per day and against the advice of many in the scientific community. There is an urgent need to get the economy moving again but if this leads to a second spike due to impatience then we could be back to square one. I have seen people on this forum saying they are out and about because they are "not scared". However you are not distancing to protect | Jul 04 07:46 |
| schestowitz | yourself, but to protect other people. | Jul 04 07:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 07:46 |
| schestowitz | "It’s just down to how we report our numbers in England. If Covid is mentioned on a death certificate then it’s counted as a coronavirus death, whether it was the underlying cause or not.' | Jul 04 07:46 |
| schestowitz | I think that's the key part | Jul 04 07:46 |
| schestowitz | most countries don't count these at all | Jul 04 07:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 07:47 |
| schestowitz | We only have the highest rate because anyone who sadly dies at present has covid-19 put on their death certificate. | Jul 04 07:47 |
| schestowitz | The hospital trusts get paid a lot of money for anyone who has been recorded as passing away with covid-19. | Jul 04 07:47 |
| schestowitz | Sadly money is more important than recording people's death correctly. | Jul 04 07:47 |
| schestowitz | Is it false recording and how do we know that it was covid-19 that people have died from without a test or symptoms. There are plenty of reports from people who's loved ones have passed away from a long term chronic illness. Their relatives have never been tested for covid-19 or had any symptoms, yet it's recorded on their death certificate as a covid-19 death along with other reasons for cause if death. | Jul 04 07:47 |
| schestowitz | So how do we know that we are being told the true covid-19 death figures. | Jul 04 07:47 |
| schestowitz | I don't believe it's as high as it's been recorded. | Jul 04 07:47 |
| schestowitz | I believe we are being fed this information to keep everyone in fear and panic so the government can control everyone at present. | Jul 04 07:47 |
| schestowitz | I'm not saying covid-19 doesn't exist. I just don't believe the deaths are as high as they have been recorded. | Jul 04 07:47 |
| schestowitz | I really feel sorry for anyone who has sadly passed away at present and for their loved ones having to deal with extra unnecessary grief and pressure on top of loosing their loved ones. | Jul 04 07:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 07:47 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: I missed your message; I'll see if I can check it | Jul 04 08:04 |
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| schestowitz | ok | Jul 04 08:14 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: really false data on a death certificate has a cost if caught in the Uk. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo5/1-2/6/section/4/data.pdf ' Yep 100 pounds fine per offence min to a max of 7 years in jail. | Jul 04 08:18 |
| oiaohm | Opps http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo5/1-2/6/section/4/data.pdf | Jul 04 08:19 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: reason why you see 'apparent natural causes death' on death certificate in that exact wording is they cannot be fined for that. | Jul 04 08:21 |
| schestowitz | ok, makes sense | Jul 04 08:22 |
| schestowitz | just odd that we have 5 times as many cases as deaths | Jul 04 08:22 |
| schestowitz | in US about 3 million cases, 140 deaths when it reaches 3 million | Jul 04 08:22 |
| schestowitz | the the ratios don't seem right | Jul 04 08:22 |
| schestowitz | they don't measure the same thing | Jul 04 08:22 |
| schestowitz | some countries 1:100 | Jul 04 08:22 |
| oiaohm | Also once done for false information on death certificate that you medical registration gone for good. Because once gulity of a a misdemeanour you are not allowed to be a doctor working on humans. | Jul 04 08:23 |
| oiaohm | False information on death certificates is quite rare due to how nasty the long term outcome is if caught. | Jul 04 08:24 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Australia Averaging somewhere between 1 to 2 percent death rate from covid-19. | Jul 04 08:25 |
| schestowitz | why the diff? | Jul 04 08:26 |
| schestowitz | 104 deaths for 8,255 cases confirmed | Jul 04 08:26 |
| schestowitz | that's about one in 80 | Jul 04 08:26 |
| schestowitz | UK is like one in 6 | Jul 04 08:26 |
| schestowitz | this is why I pasted the above | Jul 04 08:27 |
| schestowitz | I was researching for answer | Jul 04 08:27 |
| schestowitz | mainstream media provided no answers | Jul 04 08:27 |
| oiaohm | Australia has a very strong contact tracing process. | Jul 04 08:27 |
| schestowitz | with some lashing out at Gates-funded media | Jul 04 08:27 |
| schestowitz | the forum threats had more reasonable explanation in them, but I see little or none of that in big news sites | Jul 04 08:28 |
| oiaohm | Teams that use to do contact tracing for animall illness entering country moved across todo covid-19 in humans. | Jul 04 08:28 |
| oiaohm | So we started with a skilled team from the get go. | Jul 04 08:28 |
| schestowitz | but so what? | Jul 04 08:28 |
| schestowitz | even if you catch a case | Jul 04 08:28 |
| schestowitz | does that improve survival chances tenfold? | Jul 04 08:28 |
| oiaohm | from cruse ships we know the fatality is 1-2 percent that was 100 percent testing samples. | Jul 04 08:29 |
| schestowitz | or are we dealing with posthumous/postmortem tests? | Jul 04 08:29 |
| schestowitz | cruise ships carry many old people | Jul 04 08:29 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | Jul 04 08:29 |
| oiaohm | so 1 to 2 percent should be high. | Jul 04 08:29 |
| oiaohm | at 1 to 2 percent you don't have proper detection. | Jul 04 08:30 |
| schestowitz | so why the high ratio in the UK? | Jul 04 08:30 |
| oiaohm | Poor detection rate. | Jul 04 08:30 |
| oiaohm | Australia 1 to 2 percent is in fact high. | Jul 04 08:30 |
| schestowitz | that still makes little sense | Jul 04 08:30 |
| schestowitz | if it's detected, then what? | Jul 04 08:31 |
| schestowitz | australia didn't test that many | Jul 04 08:31 |
| schestowitz | 2.6 million | Jul 04 08:31 |
| schestowitz | that's about one in 1 | Jul 04 08:31 |
| oiaohm | State of victoria is finding a lot of non symptomatic now they are moving to complete suburb testing. | Jul 04 08:31 |
| schestowitz | 102k/million | Jul 04 08:31 |
| schestowitz | but why are so many among those detected said to be dying here? | Jul 04 08:31 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it spread to like millions and those dying are representative of that... but the testing numbers would not support that | Jul 04 08:32 |
| oiaohm | Australia tested a lot more than the numbers first suggest. Trace those coming in. Test sewage system to locate areas to put more resources into... | Jul 04 08:32 |
| oiaohm | There are ways to target your testing so you get the hot spots of a infection. | Jul 04 08:33 |
| oiaohm | If you do that successfully you can detect up to 20 times more cases than party that does not do that well. | Jul 04 08:34 |
| schestowitz | US quickly climbing in cases/capital for #covid19 and if one leaves out tiny countries US is only third... below Peru and Chile | Jul 04 08:35 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: remember Australia population is 24.99 million. Over 1 in 10 people have been tested here. | Jul 04 08:36 |
| oiaohm | and there is targeting on top of that. | Jul 04 08:36 |
| schestowitz | and among those tested positive few are said to have died | Jul 04 08:37 |
| schestowitz | here we tested more than in Australia, per capita, even if belatedly | Jul 04 08:37 |
| schestowitz | and 44,131 deaths for 284,276 | Jul 04 08:37 |
| schestowitz | I just want to understand this | Jul 04 08:37 |
| schestowitz | surely an explanation can be simple | Jul 04 08:37 |
| schestowitz | but you did not explain this, not simply anyway | Jul 04 08:37 |
| schestowitz | the death rates are still very high here | Jul 04 08:38 |
| schestowitz | like 500 new cases per day | Jul 04 08:38 |
| schestowitz | and 150 deaths | Jul 04 08:38 |
| schestowitz | that's 1:3 | Jul 04 08:38 |
| schestowitz | why? | Jul 04 08:38 |
| schestowitz | some countries like singapore can report 1000 cases in a day and zero death | Jul 04 08:38 |
| schestowitz | which makes little sense unless they measure something different altogether | Jul 04 08:39 |
| oiaohm | Early detection does help lower death. Ok medical may not be able to give you drug but being able to reduce you stress from work and other things and give your body better chance to fight off the illness will lower death rate. | Jul 04 08:40 |
| oiaohm | How effective your detection is comes very important. | Jul 04 08:40 |
| oiaohm | How early that detection is. | Jul 04 08:40 |
| oiaohm | Key word is tested more than Australia belatedly. So lots of late testing. | Jul 04 08:41 |
| schestowitz | if you detect early then what? | Jul 04 08:43 |
| schestowitz | we don't have some 'magic potion' for it | Jul 04 08:43 |
| schestowitz | you would say, it would not pass on | Jul 04 08:44 |
| schestowitz | but... if it passed on | Jul 04 08:44 |
| schestowitz | we'd have more people testing positive anyway | Jul 04 08:44 |
| schestowitz | so it would factor in | Jul 04 08:44 |
| schestowitz | so I am still not buying that explanation | Jul 04 08:44 |
| oiaohm | Simple having them isolate and not being doing stressful things like work increase their chance of living. | Jul 04 08:44 |
| oiaohm | because it gives more of the body resources to put into immune system. | Jul 04 08:44 |
| oiaohm | That the thing we have got use to magic potion and forgot how import rest is to fighting off illnesses. | Jul 04 08:45 |
| insmodppa | schestowitz: Singapore: Over 90% of the cases were from migrant worker dormitories which they quarantined and started testing en masse. Mostly young and healthy combined with early testing. | Jul 04 08:46 |
| insmodppa | Overall favourable conditions. | Jul 04 08:46 |
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| schestowitz | so what you say is, it's down to age distribution | Jul 04 08:48 |
| schestowitz | and high deaths ratios are due to it creeping into care homes | Jul 04 08:48 |
| schestowitz | I never saw age distribution graphs for test results | Jul 04 08:48 |
| insmodppa | schestowitz: What I'm saying is that Singapore had it good. It was contained to a few isolated housing blocks (thanks to the lockdown) and didn't spread beyond that. | Jul 04 08:51 |
| schestowitz | why did so few of those infected die? | Jul 04 08:55 |
| schestowitz | age alone? | Jul 04 08:55 |
| schestowitz | hospital capacity? | Jul 04 08:55 |
| oiaohm | the death curves in Australian data says age is critical to death. | Jul 04 08:55 |
| schestowitz | there's no cure for this, just the body developing resistance if it can | Jul 04 08:55 |
| schestowitz | I see no articles speaking about role of age distribution | Jul 04 08:56 |
| schestowitz | none | Jul 04 08:56 |
| oiaohm | https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert There is no deaths in Australia for covid-19 for anyone under 40. | Jul 04 08:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.health.gov.au | Coronavirus (COVID-19) health alert | Australian Government Department of Health | Jul 04 08:56 | |
| schestowitz | that's not the point | Jul 04 08:56 |
| schestowitz | the question is, which age groups were affected and how much | Jul 04 08:56 |
| schestowitz | if old people didn't get it, then that might explain low death rates | Jul 04 08:57 |
| schestowitz | but you cannot really find such analyses | Jul 04 08:57 |
| oiaohm | there are 2 charts there one breaking down ages of those detected with covid 19 and those who died from in it Australia. | Jul 04 08:57 |
| oiaohm | Yes a lot more young were infected than old in Australia. | Jul 04 08:58 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: something else Australia testing has not been running at capacity. So if I wanted a covid-19 test right now just on a wim just because I felt like it I could get tested. | Jul 04 09:00 |
| oiaohm | and to be not running at capacity you had to move early against the infection. | Jul 04 09:01 |
| oiaohm | other wise just too big of percentage of your country population would be infected for you to be able test enough to get a true picture. | Jul 04 09:01 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: remember Uk you had the "Herd Immunity" mistake that resulted in not putting in the early resources to detection leading to being over run in cases. | Jul 04 09:03 |
| oiaohm | Of course that mistake is going to make your death rate to detected infected rate be worse. | Jul 04 09:04 |
| oiaohm | as those who had no symtoms who got over the illness are not going to be in UK numbers at least early on. | Jul 04 09:05 |
| schestowitz | ok, that is a good explanation | Jul 04 09:11 |
| schestowitz | thank you | Jul 04 09:11 |
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| AVRS | schestowitz: Here his key was added: https://web.archive.org/web/20190803084405/https://www.kernel.org/signature.html https://web.archive.org/web/20190921013839/https://www.kernel.org/signature.html | Jul 04 09:20 |
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| schestowitz | AVRS: thanks, I see | Jul 04 09:26 |
| schestowitz | their rss feed shows when a page changes | Jul 04 09:26 |
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| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning | Jul 04 10:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Miranda warning - Wikipedia | Jul 04 10:30 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 10:30 |
| schestowitz | In the United States, the Miranda warning is a type of notification customarily given by police to criminal suspects in police custody (or in a custodial interrogation) advising them of their right to silence; that is, their right to refuse to answer questions or provide information to law enforcement or other officials. These rights are often referred to as Miranda rights. The purpose of such notification is to preserve the | Jul 04 10:30 |
| schestowitz | admissibility of their statements made during custodial interrogation in later criminal proceedings. | Jul 04 10:30 |
| schestowitz | The language used in a Miranda warning is derived from the 1966 U.S. Supreme Court case Miranda v. Arizona, 384 US 436 (1966).[1] The specific language used in the warning varies between jurisdictions,[2] but the warning is deemed adequate as long as the defendant's rights are properly disclosed such that any waiver of those rights by the defendant is knowing, voluntary, and intelligent.[3] For example, the warning may be phrased as | Jul 04 10:30 |
| schestowitz | follows:[4] | Jul 04 10:30 |
| schestowitz | You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in court. You have the right to talk to a lawyer for advice before we ask you any questions. You have the right to have a lawyer with you during questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish. If you decide to answer questions now without a lawyer present, you have the right to stop answering at | Jul 04 10:30 |
| schestowitz | any time. | Jul 04 10:30 |
| schestowitz | The Miranda warning is part of a preventive criminal procedure rule that law enforcement are required to administer to protect an individual who is in custody and subject to direct questioning or its functional equivalent from a violation of their Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination. In Miranda v. Arizona, the Supreme Court held that the admission of an elicited incriminating statement by a suspect not informed | Jul 04 10:30 |
| schestowitz | of these rights violates the Fifth Amendment and the Sixth Amendment right to counsel, through the incorporation of these rights into state law.[Note 1] Thus, if law enforcement officials decline to offer a Miranda warning to an individual in their custody, they may interrogate that person and act upon the knowledge gained, but may not use that person's statements as evidence against them in a criminal trial. | Jul 04 10:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 10:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you confirm this necessarily implies arrest | Jul 04 10:30 |
| schestowitz | to quote the full passage | Jul 04 10:30 |
| schestowitz | " activated my voice recorder and Det. Vijarro activated her audio/video recorder. I advised JONES that our conversation was being both audio & video recorded and advised him that he was not under arrest, did not have to answer any questions or make any statements and that he was free to leave at any time. I then read JONES his Miranda warnings and proceeded with an interview, whereby the following facts were | Jul 04 10:31 |
| schestowitz | determined (in part; see audio/video recordings for entirety of interview). " | Jul 04 10:31 |
| schestowitz | I don't know US law too well, but from this alone, does it follow that they lied about "free to leave at any time"? | Jul 04 10:31 |
| schestowitz | If anyone cares to comment... | Jul 04 10:31 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to get basic facts wrong | Jul 04 10:31 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to accuse the police of lying unless there's a deliberate contradiction | Jul 04 10:32 |
| schestowitz | "The circumstances triggering the Miranda safeguards, i.e. Miranda warnings, are "custody" and "interrogation". " | Jul 04 10:33 |
| schestowitz | So not only arrest, based on the wikipedia article | Jul 04 10:33 |
| schestowitz | "The circumstances triggering the Miranda safeguards, i.e. Miranda warnings, are "custody" and "interrogation". Custody means formal arrest or the deprivation of freedom to an extent associated with formal arrest. Interrogation means explicit questioning or actions that are reasonably likely to elicit an incriminating response." | Jul 04 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Seems like the latter applies here | Jul 04 10:34 |
| schestowitz | whether he was free to leave I do not know | Jul 04 10:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 10:35 |
| schestowitz | Suspects in "custody" who are about to be interrogated must be properly advised of their Miranda rights—namely, the Fifth Amendment right against compelled self incrimination (and, in furtherance of this right, the right to counsel while in custody). The Sixth Amendment right to counsel means that the suspect has the right to consult with an attorney before questioning begins and have an attorney present during the interrogation. | Jul 04 10:35 |
| schestowitz | The Fifth Amendment right against compelled self incrimination is the right to remain silent—the right to refuse to answer questions or to otherwise communicate information. | Jul 04 10:35 |
| schestowitz | The duty to warn only arises when police officers conduct custodial interrogations. The Constitution does not require that a defendant be advised of the Miranda rights as part of the arrest procedure, or once an officer has probable cause to arrest, or if the defendant has become a suspect of the focus of an investigation. Custody and interrogation are the events that trigger the duty to warn. | Jul 04 10:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 04 10:35 |
| schestowitz | I see nothing that covers right to leave | Jul 04 10:35 |
| schestowitz | "] Even though neither the motorist nor the pedestrian is free to leave, this interference with the freedom of action is not considered actual arrest or its functional equivalent for purposes of the Fifth Amendment.[44] The court has similarly held that a person who voluntarily comes to the police station for purposes of questioning is not in custody and thus not entitled to Miranda warnings particularly when the police advise the | Jul 04 10:36 |
| schestowitz | suspect that he is not under arrest and free to leave.[45]" | Jul 04 10:36 |
| schestowitz | "The timing of the assertion is significant. Requesting an attorney prior to arrest is of no consequence because Miranda applies only to custodial interrogations. The police may simply ignore the request and continue with the questioning; however, the suspect is also free to leave." | Jul 04 10:37 |
| schestowitz | "Assertion: In each case, the assertion must be clear and unequivocal. The effects of assertion are not identical. For purposes of Miranda, the police must immediately cease the interrogation and cannot resume interrogating the defendant about any offense charged or uncharged unless counsel is present or defendant initiates contact for purposes of resuming interrogation and valid waiver obtained. Because Massiah is offense-specific, an | Jul 04 10:37 |
| schestowitz | assertion of the sixth amendment right to counsel requires the police to cease interrogating the defendant about any charged offense. Apparently the police could continue questioning the defendant about uncharged crimes assuming that the defendant was not in custody. The defendant's remedy would be to leave or to refuse to answer questions.[103]" | Jul 04 10:37 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you were wrong it seems | Jul 04 10:41 |
| schestowitz | good thing that I checked | Jul 04 10:41 |
| schestowitz | we don't want to publish false claims or wrong assertions | Jul 04 10:41 |
| schestowitz | and it seems like technically he was under probe/interrogation | Jul 04 10:42 |
| schestowitz | it might be frowned upon if he leaves | Jul 04 10:42 |
| schestowitz | but I can see why he might be capable of it without them putting handcuffs on him | Jul 04 10:42 |
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| liberty_box | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53276071 | Jul 04 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | what next? | Jul 04 11:32 |
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| XRevan86 | (cat) https://imgur.com/gallery/wTo9eNq | Jul 04 16:29 |
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| XRevan86 | https://i.imgur.com/xj57TYu.mp4 UX | Jul 04 16:51 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, where do you think they got the idea? | Jul 04 16:54 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: oh | Jul 04 16:55 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 04 17:01 |
| scientes | XRevan86, my friend showed me that In Peter We Drink song | Jul 04 17:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The Leningrad band? | Jul 04 17:05 |
| *XRevan86 didn't hear it. | Jul 04 17:06 | |
| scientes | yeah | Jul 04 17:06 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't like Shnurov. | Jul 04 17:06 | |
| XRevan86 | And Blatnyak in general, especially modern. | Jul 04 17:08 |
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| XRevan86 | though maybe it just doesn't qualify | Jul 04 17:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can guarantee you if he tried to leave, they would have grabbed him and handcuffed him. | Jul 04 17:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The police lie all the time. They will do anything to trick you into talking to them. If that means making you think you're free to leave then that's what they'll do. | Jul 04 17:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've seen investigations where they say you're free to go if you want and then when the guy does, they grab him. | Jul 04 17:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a technique to soften them up. | Jul 04 17:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Being asked leading questions and answering them is always a terrible mistake. Doesn't matter what they think you did. | Jul 04 17:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if it seems like they already know everything, you can do more harm. | Jul 04 17:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Case in point, had I corrected the police about John being a "roommate", I would have been charged with a felony. | Jul 04 17:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After they cited me for a misdemeanor and arraigned me on it, too late. | Jul 04 17:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had to negotiate down from a misdemeanor to a less serious misdemeanor to get my plea deal signed. | Jul 04 17:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They will almost always learn something they did not know or will be able to finish putting together more charges that would have been highly speculative if you talk to them. | Jul 04 17:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The value of your guilty plea is only a function of how hard it will be for the prosecutor to prove the allegations. | Jul 04 17:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz Hans Reiser is an idiot. | Jul 04 17:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He could have negotiated that down to manslaughter in the first. | Jul 04 17:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just by not having blood all over his van and books on how to kill people and get away with it and letting the cops grill him. | Jul 04 17:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He would have been out right now, no parole board or anything. Just out. | Jul 04 17:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They knew Nina Reiser was missing, they had a highly circumstantial case. Maybe they would have pieced it together. If he had gotten rid of some things better and not talked to them, it would be Manslaughter in the plea deal. | Jul 04 17:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A criminal defendant has the absolute right to stay silent and force the state to prove everything. | Jul 04 17:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The prosecutor generally doesn't care about what happened. They're worried about maintaining their conviction rate and moving as many cases as possible through the courts. | Jul 04 17:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're just a widget on their assembly line. That's it. They don't care what you did. | Jul 04 17:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Here in Waukegan, there was a guy who beat a baby to death and got Manslaughter in the Second in a plea deal. | Jul 04 17:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 6 years....4 after time served. | Jul 04 17:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're dealing with an opponent who is concerned about winning another election, not you. The last thing they want is to go to trial. That eats up so much time that they could have dealt with 20 people in plea bargains that day. Get it? | Jul 04 17:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When I was reading about cases like that and which lawyer they had, and saw who that guy had, that's who I hired. | Jul 04 17:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When I typed the guy's name into Google, up pop cases like "Woman beats her husband into unrecognizable goo with his own mechanics tools. State comes at her with First Degree Murder and torturing the guy. Plea deal was Manslaughter and the torture charges were dropped. 12 years. | Jul 04 17:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some other attorneys were not getting outcomes like this. | Jul 04 17:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The public defender's office usually got pleas to the original charge or had to go to trial. That was not what I wanted. | Jul 04 17:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was entitled to a defense, if you could call it that, from the Public Pretender's office, but that's all they are. | Jul 04 17:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: MinceR Mom says she has to find a new church. | Jul 04 18:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They stopped talking to her because she wouldn't start going to the in person services again and now they all have COVID-19. | Jul 04 18:14 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 04 18:15 |
| schestowitz | god bless em | Jul 04 18:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now I had a guy at the gas station bum hand sanitizer off of me. | Jul 04 18:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's new. | Jul 04 18:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told him "Just hold your hands out and I'll give you some from over here." | Jul 04 18:16 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "god bless em"> She said they were treating it like a hoax and laughing about it and now every last one of them is sick. | Jul 04 18:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told her "I said stay out of there and that this would happen eventually. Remember that?". | Jul 04 18:18 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | She's like, "Yeah.". | Jul 04 18:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only question is when someone who is infected comes in there. It's not even if at this point. | Jul 04 18:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It hasn't been "if" since Trump brushed the whole thing off and let so much of it get in here. | Jul 04 18:19 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_consistency_of_the_Bible#Biblical_criticism_and_criticism_of_the_Bible try this on her | Jul 04 18:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Internal consistency of the Bible - Wikipedia | Jul 04 18:19 | |
| XRevan86 | maybe it will solve the issue properly | Jul 04 18:19 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I don't even really need to take PrEP anymore but I went on it again and told the doctor I'm at high risk for HIV because my insurance will pay for Descovy if that's why you're on it. I believe the TAV will block the Coronavirus. | Jul 04 18:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not entirely, but maybe enough to prevent it from getting too bad if I get it. | Jul 04 18:20 |
| XRevan86 | > Justin Martyr, a 2nd-century Christian writer, declared the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible generally preferred in the early Church, to be "completely free of errors". Thomas Aquinas wrote that "the author of Holy Scripture is God". The Westminster Confession of Faith (1646) asserts that the Bible's authority depends "wholly upon God (who is truth itself), the Author thereof; a | Jul 04 18:20 |
| XRevan86 | nd therefore it is to be received, because it is the Word of God". | Jul 04 18:20 |
| XRevan86 | Nice. | Jul 04 18:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Errr, TAF... | Jul 04 18:21 |
| XRevan86 | Test automation framework? | Jul 04 18:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're not studying it much. They don't want to admit that people could take Truvada, which is about to be generic. | Jul 04 18:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That it's almost as effective as Remdesivir, which they are saying they hope COVID gets really bad so it can be a 20 year long cash cow. | Jul 04 18:22 |
| XRevan86 | ah | Jul 04 18:22 |
| XRevan86 | Tenofovir alafenamide fumarate | Jul 04 18:22 |
| XRevan86 | https://smbc-comics.com/comic/holism | Jul 04 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Holism | Jul 04 18:23 | |
| MinceR | > Thomas Aquinas wrote that "the author of Holy Scripture is God" | Jul 04 18:26 |
| MinceR | so Thomas Aquinas believes that "God" is a horrible writer and editor? :> | Jul 04 18:26 |
| MinceR | or he believes that inconsistent mess to be good writing? | Jul 04 18:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No, he has Faith | Jul 04 18:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: technically I still cannot prove that these cops lied | Jul 04 18:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: that the Bible perfect, therefore it's perfect to him | Jul 04 18:27 |
| schestowitz | because he never left when they said he was free to | Jul 04 18:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, because he "may" have been "free to leave". | Jul 04 18:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's basically no chance that he actually was free to go. | Jul 04 18:27 |
| schestowitz | brb | Jul 04 18:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had everything they needed to arrest him and hold him long enough for a judge to decide bail. | Jul 04 18:28 |
| MinceR | perhaps he abhors consistency in writing | Jul 04 18:28 |
| MinceR | and likes his texts to be as boring as a phone book | Jul 04 18:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's weird that I'm both satirising and giving a faithful representation at the same time. | Jul 04 18:28 |
| MinceR | Poe's Law? | Jul 04 18:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Some extension of it | Jul 04 18:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At that point, they would have. Then the judge would say "Due to these charges, I'm setting bail at a million dollars, and the defendant will surrender his passport and report to adult probation weekly until the trial date." or something. | Jul 04 18:29 |
| schestowitz | either way, I cannot go ahead with such an article | Jul 04 18:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They would not risk having him flee the country. Ever since Roman Polanski did it, guess how often it has happened? | Jul 04 18:30 |
| schestowitz | focus on the Google aspect as we agreed please | Jul 04 18:30 |
| schestowitz | because it takes some work | Jul 04 18:30 |
| schestowitz | and would be of interest | Jul 04 18:30 |
| schestowitz | and not in IRC | Jul 04 18:30 |
| schestowitz | write it down with screenshots and stuff if possible | Jul 04 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I find it interesting how circular the logic is for issuing a search warrant here. So, the NCMEC is a government agency pretty much (didn't know that), and service providers have a "legal obligation" to report any material that violates such federal laws to NCMEC, which goes ahead and pings the local police with it, who use it to get a search warrant, which the service provider then complies with. | Jul 04 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Let's focus on Google | Jul 04 18:33 |
| schestowitz | gtg for an hour | Jul 04 18:33 |
| schestowitz | if possible, please help by showing, with docs at hand, what Google does | Jul 04 18:34 |
| schestowitz | and how | Jul 04 18:34 |
| schestowitz | when, who with.. | Jul 04 18:34 |
| schestowitz | it'll make an interesting post | Jul 04 18:34 |
| schestowitz | aside from the main story | Jul 04 18:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The process is almost completely automated and it's effectively a workaround for the Fourth Amendment. Right? The government can't get a warrant without probable cause, so the government gets Google, Microsoft, Comcast, etc. to "voluntarily" run software that matches the no-no files and reports it to NCMEC. | Jul 04 18:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nothing in the law requires Google or any other service provider to run matching software and apply it to their user email and cloud storage, but they do. | Jul 04 18:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's an automated process to make them "become aware" at which point they are required to rat the person out, and this short circuits the Fourth Amendment and lets the police serve them with a warrant for everything they have on you, whether or not it may be illegal. | Jul 04 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We have to wonder what else this software looks for, because the same technology could be used to identify any type of file, or any person of interest to a government investigation of anything. | Jul 04 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know that I would even put my tax returns on Google Drive. No matter how secure it is. Say the IRS wants to audit you and your Google Drive has all your financial statements and tax documents and stuff. TurboTax and others handed them most of this, but for some deductions and such they just kind of take your word. Right? Then if the IRS audits you, you have to have documentation proving that you qualified for | Jul 04 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | that. | Jul 04 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's like many people lie on their taxes, then 2-3% get audited (many times at random) and some of the cheats are caught. People are supposed to know that it could be them and not cheat. | Jul 04 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government solves so little crime that it tends to come down hard on the people who get caught as a message to others. Like, "Maybe we never catch you, but look what happened to this guy.". | Jul 04 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their interest in CP is to further another goal. Mass surveillance. | Jul 04 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Look what happened to that guy who literally beat a baby to death and then got 6 years. You can get more than that for one image of a 17 year old that they sent you without having been asked to. | Jul 04 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, I would go further to theorize that they could solve more of these if they really cared at all, but they do just enough to get people to accept the dragnet. | Jul 04 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I got an email from CreditKarma. Congratulations. You've paid off your car loan! | Jul 04 18:51 |
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| akingu | http://techrights.org/2020/07/03/the-typical-microsoft/ says "that lets Microsoft spies on Web users" | Jul 04 18:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Monopoly Abuse, Still: Microsoft Pays Projects to Embrace/Move to C#, GitHub and Visual Studio | Techrights | Jul 04 18:57 | |
| akingu | should be "spy"? | Jul 04 18:57 |
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| oiaohm | akingu: that would be a yes/no. From English correctness that would be yes. From a document search ability the answer would be no. The fun of rock and hard place choices. | Jul 04 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | OpenRA uses Mono. | Jul 04 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I ended up installing Mono to play the games that the engine can load. | Jul 04 19:03 |
| schestowitz | akingu: right, I'll fix that | Jul 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | done, fixed | Jul 04 19:05 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you tidy up those notes | Jul 04 19:05 |
| schestowitz | and made article draft? | Jul 04 19:05 |
| akingu | Nice to see Techrights is still in the game :) | Jul 04 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yeah. | Jul 04 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, I suspect FISA has a role in this "automated report" system. | Jul 04 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Courts have ruled that if the government is primarily investigating, or believes that it is investigating, a foreiggn subject, that the Fourth Amendment pretty much no longer applies. | Jul 04 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, you can go tell a judge you think that your target is a foreign person who is communicating with an American citizen, and that the focus of your investigation is that the foreign person might be a terrorist, or a drug smuggler, or something. | Jul 04 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They sign off on the warrant, you go grab whatever it is you wanted. Turns out there is no "foreign" connection at all, but oh look at all this evidence we collected on this here American person. | Jul 04 19:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, since the search was "legal", the evidence gathered can be used in a criminal proceeding. | Jul 04 19:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Since the workings of the FISA courts are secret and there is nobody representing you, the government can go in there and feed a judge a load of horseshit and there is nobody to object to any of it. | Jul 04 19:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have these things called Fusion Centers now where the state and federal law enforcement pass things back and forth. | Jul 04 19:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Recently, the Trump administration warned local police that violent antifa terrorists were trying to kill police officers, basically with no evidence. | Jul 04 19:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They used the Fusion Centers to relay this as emergency intelligence to local police. | Jul 04 19:14 |
| schestowitz | notice the name there | Jul 04 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Angelo | Jul 04 19:14 |
| schestowitz | and later they add full name | Jul 04 19:15 |
| schestowitz | not fully automated | Jul 04 19:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then we found out that the people who killed the Federal Protective Service officer in California was a right-wing boogaloo terrorist. | Jul 04 19:15 |
| schestowitz | there's an actual person making the call | Jul 04 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Portuguese or Brazilian name | Jul 04 19:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That Facebook is flagging Boogaloo as a violent extremist group and removing their groups. But only after Coca Cola stopped running ads, because of course. | Jul 04 19:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "Portuguese or Brazilian name"> That doesn't necessarily mean anything. You're talking about the Google contact? | Jul 04 19:16 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jul 04 19:16 |
| schestowitz | the one who sent the DVD, too | Jul 04 19:16 |
| schestowitz | mention that in your text, I think it's of significant | Jul 04 19:17 |
| schestowitz | it means a human can decide to report or not report | Jul 04 19:17 |
| schestowitz | it's up to him/her | Jul 04 19:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, Google isn't just "complying with warrants". They're sending over everything the government needs in order to establish probable cause. | Jul 04 19:17 |
| schestowitz | they can't just say "algorithm" and "hey hi" (AI) | Jul 04 19:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They almost never refuse, and they're not releasing Transparency Reports anymore. | Jul 04 19:17 |
| schestowitz | in this case CP | Jul 04 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Jul 04 19:18 |
| schestowitz | another case... might be wikileaks | Jul 04 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | like gmail account of Fake Appelbaum | Jul 04 19:18 |
| schestowitz | this is why we need to explain this to the public | Jul 04 19:18 |
| schestowitz | it's open to political abuse | Jul 04 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The part about the guy photographing kids on the beach wearing clothing isn't probable cause by itself. | Jul 04 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | Jake | Jul 04 19:18 |
| schestowitz | not Fake | Jul 04 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would be reasonable suspicion to start watching him though. | Jul 04 19:18 |
| schestowitz | oops | Jul 04 19:18 |
| schestowitz | they also do this to foreign citizens | Jul 04 19:19 |
| schestowitz | for the US gov. | Jul 04 19:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Your data on Google isn't actually yours. | Jul 04 19:19 |
| schestowitz | e.g. Stuart McCarthy | Jul 04 19:19 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: but let's show the proof | Jul 04 19:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They could have noticed that he was doing the photographs and asked Google to voluntarily turn over all of his info. | Jul 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz | and how it's handles with law enforcement | Jul 04 19:20 |
| schestowitz | I saw no articles about this befor | Jul 04 19:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems really friendly to me, but like they want it to look like the government has a high standard in order to make Google comply. | Jul 04 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, they're not just going to spill everything but here's all you need to get a warrant. | Jul 04 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they don't have a choice. They were served with a warrant! | Jul 04 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, why didn't they tell you so you could prepare? Dammit, they got gagged too! | Jul 04 19:22 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Allegedly, you can set up Chrome so that your browser data has a decryption passphrase that they don't know. | Jul 04 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But, who knows whether it's backdoored or not? | Jul 04 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Regardless, it's leaking all of your information to them anyway. | Jul 04 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Keystrokes, searches obviously. | Jul 04 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sites visited (Safe Browsing) | Jul 04 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Telemetry" | Jul 04 19:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they make it sound like they're not interested in being able to decrypt all of that and set up the browser to leak everything to them in the clear anyway, where it gets logged outside your Sync account. | Jul 04 19:24 |
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| akingu | schestowitz: I did some reading into the federal recognition and the new "Parler" network. https://voat.co/u/Remmina | Jul 04 19:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-voat.co | Profile overview for Remmina | Jul 04 19:27 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firefox is also bugged quite thoroughly. | Jul 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | techdirt writes about them | Jul 04 19:28 |
| schestowitz | but I did not look into it | Jul 04 19:28 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Google search by default. Google Safe Browsing (reports sites you visit and your downloads to Google), Telemetry, Let Mozilla install arbitrary software in your browser, and (my favorite) DRM software from Google. | Jul 04 19:28 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | You can turn it all off... | Jul 04 19:28 |
| akingu | I think "free speech" services should be held to higher standards than just "sounds better than Reddit". | Jul 04 19:28 |
| schestowitz | reddit is awful | Jul 04 19:29 |
| akingu | And if anyone has "Voat", do uprank so Remmina can leave Reddit for good. | Jul 04 19:29 |
| schestowitz | I think we need to stop all this centralised stuff | Jul 04 19:29 |
| schestowitz | people can take control of their platforms | Jul 04 19:29 |
| schestowitz | then federate, e.g. with rss readers | Jul 04 19:30 |
| schestowitz | we already had it working, up and running | Jul 04 19:30 |
| schestowitz | it was taken away by a slow brainwashing and network effect process | Jul 04 19:30 |
| akingu | Heh, I subscribed to a service that went down and took all my RSS feeds with it. | Jul 04 19:31 |
| schestowitz | which one? | Jul 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | feedlounge I participated in as a tested | Jul 04 19:32 |
| akingu | 1kpl.us | Jul 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | *tester | Jul 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | than Google Reader came | Jul 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | and caused them issues | Jul 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | then shut down | Jul 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Then Google did the same | Jul 04 19:32 |
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| akingu | To me it seems like freedom is eroding at both ends. If it isn't plain spying, it is CoCs and CLAs in a "community" model. | Jul 04 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | akingu: it helps control people | Jul 04 19:44 |
| schestowitz | usually not people high up | Jul 04 19:44 |
| schestowitz | for them we have #metoo | Jul 04 19:44 |
| schestowitz | so they too can be ousted | Jul 04 19:44 |
| schestowitz | for us there's #coc | Jul 04 19:44 |
| schestowitz | CLA let's them take the work of other people for their personal capital growth and it's a separate issue | Jul 04 19:45 |
| schestowitz | it's the corporate model encroaching on free software | Jul 04 19:45 |
| schestowitz | like when you join a company and sign off papers to say everything you do, no matter if outside work too, the "AYE PEE" (IP) is passed to the company | Jul 04 19:46 |
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| scientes | I wonder how difficult it would be to teach ninjas and rock-stars how to program | Jul 04 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think that Reddit is as bad as Facebook, but that's not saying a lot. | Jul 04 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The biggest worry many people will have with Twitter and Facebook are these "fake background check companies" that hiring managers are using. | Jul 04 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that putting a Tor Mode in Firefox would be a good idea, but I don't see them doing it because of their Google deals. | Jul 04 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Brave has a Tor Mode, but it's less usable than the Tor Browser, and the fine print suggests there's a lot of ways it can leak your real IP anyway. | Jul 04 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think "access the internet with your scramble suit on" is a great idea. | Jul 04 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If more people did it, it would be much harder for the government to single out any particular person . | Jul 04 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla has been packing Firefox just as full of browser APIs that are mainly of interest to fingerprinters and the like as Google has with Chrome. | Jul 04 20:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I had a good laugh when Microsoft was saying that they had rejected WebGL because of security and "Oh, have you heard of Silverlight?". | Jul 04 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now Edge has full WebGL support because it's a Hannibal Lecter mask for Chrome. | Jul 04 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google has too much of an agenda. They've been censoring the internet at a ferocious pace forever now to avoid fights with anyone who sends them a DMCA letter, no matter how bogus or even illegal the letter may be. | Jul 04 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they're doing that with law enforcement. | Jul 04 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just passively going along with it, or actively turning people in. My guess is that they figured they'd avoid antitrust forever as long as they were constantly selling people out to the cops. | Jul 04 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, Trump is like a bull in a China shop. :) He doesn't care that he's knocking over valuable assets and giving companies that may not be as willing to collaborate some air by killing off Google's H1 worker visas and siccing the DoJ on them because he thinks they'll help the Biden campaign. | Jul 04 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As usual, he has nothing but his own paranoia guiding his decisions, and pissing off the tech companies in the middle of an election where he really needs them to play ball is not good strategy. | Jul 04 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When he knocked over USCIS to try sticking it to immigrants, they started sending layoff notices to 30,000 employees. | Jul 04 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Care to guess how many of them are going to vote for Trump while they are unemployed (or the spouse, or etc.). | Jul 04 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They might not like immigrants either, but they had a job that was paying the bills and now they have 26 weeks of unemployment (or less), so byeeee. | Jul 04 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 26 weeks of unemployment checks isn't going to keep you afloat for long, especially in a state like Florida, which made it a grueling process and the maximum benefit is just over $1,000 a month. | Jul 04 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is making a lot of enemies that are either very powerful or had no reason to do anything about him until now. | Jul 04 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What you need to do if you want to stay in power yet have to be up for an election, is to keep the other side so apathetic that their turnout is low. | Jul 04 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What Trump has done is cause people to say they'll stand in line for 6 hours in a hail storm to vote for Biden, and they don't even like Biden that much. | Jul 04 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ---- | Jul 04 20:22 |
| schestowitz | 34k cases in US | Jul 04 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It was interesting that my mom blows off everything I say and says I'm crazy or I worry too much, and now she's like "Well, everyone at church has COVID!". | Jul 04 20:22 |
| schestowitz | it might be 50k again by day's end | Jul 04 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "I was screaming at you not to go there in March!". | Jul 04 20:23 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jul 04 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She did listen to me this time. | Jul 04 20:23 |
| schestowitz | god bless americuck, said the churchgoer | Jul 04 20:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it took like 80-90 days longer than I thought, but they all got it while they were shaming her for not going. | Jul 04 20:24 |
| schestowitz | they shake hands here at the end | Jul 04 20:24 |
| schestowitz | which I don't like | Jul 04 20:24 |
| schestowitz | but I have to | Jul 04 20:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Every single one of them is being turned inside out by the virus, according to her. | Jul 04 20:24 |
| schestowitz | "peace" | Jul 04 20:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told her "They're not laughing anymore, are they?". | Jul 04 20:24 |
| schestowitz | do I need to touch other people's palm for that? | Jul 04 20:24 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Well, if everyone at that church is sick, it means that thousands of people will ultimately get it from them. | Jul 04 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Whether any of them can get tested or not. | Jul 04 20:25 |
| schestowitz | well, survivors of these may have scarred lungs and bad nerve system | Jul 04 20:25 |
| schestowitz | so they might not survive for very long, due to "complications" | Jul 04 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, they can fake the numbers a bit, but people are still getting sick and dying. | Jul 04 20:26 |
| schestowitz | us says 160 deaths so far today | Jul 04 20:26 |
| schestowitz | which I doubt | Jul 04 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | they just die at home "of old age" | Jul 04 20:26 |
| schestowitz | coughing and pooing themselves | Jul 04 20:26 |
| schestowitz | this is really sad | Jul 04 20:26 |
| schestowitz | but these people we gave flu shots to | Jul 04 20:27 |
| schestowitz | every year | Jul 04 20:27 |
| schestowitz | for covid19 there's no shot we can offer | Jul 04 20:27 |
| schestowitz | not an effective one anyway | Jul 04 20:27 |
| schestowitz | this is too new | Jul 04 20:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firefox reports a bunch of Google trackers on Tux Machines. | Jul 04 20:33 |
| akingu | How so? | Jul 04 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Requests to gstatic and Google Translate. | Jul 04 20:35 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How to Install Wine 5.12 in Ubuntu 20.04 / Linux Mint 20 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139493#comment-25680 [https://pleroma.site/objects/71f8f4a4-5dc4-456e-b2db-5fe06ccb6a02] | Jul 04 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | Google Translate | Jul 04 20:40 |
| schestowitz | I think it's connected to the latter | Jul 04 20:40 |
| schestowitz | but correct me if I'm wrong | Jul 04 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Turns out there's also this element https://cfoc.org/gstatic-com-is-it-virus-remove-it/ | Jul 04 20:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gstatic.com – What Is It and How to Remove It | CFOC.ORG | Jul 04 20:41 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firefox's tracker blocker doesn't like it. | Jul 04 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Gmail doesn’t work – it just complains about Javascript not being there." | Jul 04 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Jul 04 20:43 |
| schestowitz | "Google has off-loaded static content (JavaScript code, images and CSS) to a different domain name in an effort to reduce bandwidth usage and increase network performance for the end user." | Jul 04 20:43 |
| schestowitz | https://superuser.com/questions/64716/i-regularly-see-gstatic-com-in-the-status-bar-what-is-that-domain | Jul 04 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-superuser.com | web - I regularly see gstatic.com in the status bar, what is that domain? - Super User | Jul 04 20:43 | |
| schestowitz | I think it might be googletranslate (at the top, interactive) using js hosted in gstatic | Jul 04 20:43 |
| schestowitz | I am aware of this issue, but you cannot use this sort of translate tool without JS | Jul 04 20:44 |
| schestowitz | this version of drupal has it given in this form | Jul 04 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nice screen shot of Dillo though. How rich people can save the world from climate change. | Jul 04 20:44 |
| schestowitz | sending you to an offsite page with translation would be better, but I saw no such plug-in, I think Google likes it better this way | Jul 04 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, Bill Gates and Al Gore can stop flying around in a jumbo jet to tell me I'm drinking coffee and have an old car that barely works. | Jul 04 20:45 |
| schestowitz | and don't reproduce | Jul 04 20:45 |
| schestowitz | it's for them to spread their superior genes | Jul 04 20:45 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/01/26/advocates-of-population-control/ | Jul 04 20:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Opinion: If You Advocate Population Control and You Are Yourself Doubling in One Single Generation, Then You Might be Hypocritical | Techrights | Jul 04 20:45 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sick and tired of "Bill Gates will save the world!" crap. | Jul 04 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He could have prevented some actual HIV infections if he actually spent that money buying condoms to hand to people. | Jul 04 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instead of fake AIDS vaccines that never happened and super duper condoms that never happened. | Jul 04 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He gets a lot of press and then whatever it was never happens. | Jul 04 20:47 |
| schestowitz | it's for-profit | Jul 04 20:47 |
| schestowitz | recently many people became aware of what a fraud Gates Foundation is | Jul 04 20:48 |
| schestowitz | which I suppose helps | Jul 04 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | also gave my article from 10+ years lots of traffic all of a sudden | Jul 04 20:48 |
| schestowitz | *articles | Jul 04 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you basically carpet bombed the public with free prep and free condoms, I think the R0 of HIV would be like 0.2 or something very shortly. | Jul 04 20:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: are you getting on OK with the Google story? | Jul 04 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would be pretty much gone in a generation in the developed world. | Jul 04 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "DaemonFC: are you getting on OK "> Well, I basically have an idea of what's going on with them. I could write it out as a why it would be better not to use Google. Look what they did to this guy. In fairness, he deserves to go to prison, but the government can investigate all kinds of people for anything it wants using the same basic method. | Jul 04 20:50 |
| schestowitz | because we want an article | Jul 04 20:50 |
| schestowitz | not irc logs | Jul 04 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They should have had to go after him some other way that doesn't compromise the constitutional rights of other Americans. | Jul 04 20:50 |
| schestowitz | an article would include screenshots | Jul 04 20:50 |
| schestowitz | that's the whole point I gave you access to the docs :-) | Jul 04 20:51 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: “fleet of newly redesigned classics serve as the major draw to the VCS insofar as software, but it’s the system’s unique Linux-based design that stands out.” http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139388#comment-25681 [https://pleroma.site/objects/41b8a6a5-1c9e-4a0d-ae9f-15c33ad87e1d] | Jul 04 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | How do I piece this together? | Jul 04 20:51 |
| schestowitz | make screenshots of key parts | Jul 04 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not great at using office software? Just drag an drop each part and then a commentary? | Jul 04 20:52 |
| schestowitz | write captions and text for those | Jul 04 20:52 |
| schestowitz | I can finalise it, don't worry about typos | Jul 04 20:52 |
| schestowitz | we can do several articles out of these docs | Jul 04 20:52 |
| schestowitz | make a bunch of files | Jul 04 20:52 |
| schestowitz | and than plain text to go with them | Jul 04 20:52 |
| schestowitz | with ref to image1, image2... | Jul 04 20:53 |
| schestowitz | It might be one of the first articles on the web about this, afaik | Jul 04 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I lost my place where it said that Google was obligated to report to NCMEC and used automated software to detect hash values that had been flagged by the government. | Jul 04 21:00 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139515 [https://pleroma.site/objects/61587477-6e5d-4715-b406-8598194cf6b8] | Jul 04 21:00 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trying to find it. "We'll rat you out, wholesale!". | Jul 04 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: While I'm searching for that.... | Jul 04 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder how complex their software is that determines the hash value of the files. | Jul 04 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, would a simple "tar and XOR" obfuscation cause a detection failure? | Jul 04 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would change the hash on the files, but not be too difficult to undo. Hard to even say "encryption". Some polymorphic malware does this on parts of itself to spread and not be easily recognized by antivirus software. | Jul 04 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Google does audio fingerprinting to recognize if you're storing FLAC rips on your drive of material that copyright owners don't want there. | Jul 04 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But changing the files to WavPack or putting them in a TAR archive stops them from recognizing what they are. | Jul 04 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Putting files in a bizarre or rarely used format may be enough to defeat such a system, but I wouldn't count on it if what you're doing is a crime. | Jul 04 21:12 |
| schestowitz | yes, that's one option | Jul 04 21:14 |
| schestowitz | +35,039 | Jul 04 21:14 |
| schestowitz | 3 million this weekend? Monday? | Jul 04 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've always wondered what the police would do if you download Reddit porn. | Jul 04 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a lot of them for twinks and barely legal teens. | Jul 04 21:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: that's an interesting one, but... | Jul 04 21:15 |
| schestowitz | I am more interested publish a series on how Google works with law enforcement | Jul 04 21:16 |
| schestowitz | like I said, take your time | Jul 04 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What happens if a minor posts stuff in there and you downloaded it by mistake? Well, there's an affirmative defense, but you might be in court and ruined by the time you get to use it. | Jul 04 21:16 |
| schestowitz | bear in mind I'd link to your article for years to come (if it's comprehensive) | Jul 04 21:16 |
| akingu | In my head they beat you for being a Redditor, and then I am happy about it, in my head. | Jul 04 21:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: then it's in browser cache and in ISP logs | Jul 04 21:17 |
| schestowitz | one you might be able to clear, the other not | Jul 04 21:17 |
| schestowitz | the docs I sent you also shows you how they explain, in search warrant iirc, they can recover deleted (de-allocated) files | Jul 04 21:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: jokes are ok in text | Jul 04 21:18 |
| schestowitz | as long as we're polite | Jul 04 21:18 |
| schestowitz | no need to focus too much on the case's aspects | Jul 04 21:18 |
| schestowitz | but the general workflow, google+police | Jul 04 21:18 |
| schestowitz | as it would be very, very useful to link to it in the future | Jul 04 21:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: the NCMEC was partly mentioned before | Jul 04 21:19 |
| schestowitz | not much in it except an IP shopping list | Jul 04 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | NCMEC: Some screenshots in http://techrights.org/2020/06/28/reported-by-google-and-ncmec/ | Jul 04 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pedophile Working as the Engineer of Bill Gates Initially Reported by Google | Techrights | Jul 04 21:20 | |
| schestowitz | but you can see it's shallow, I didn't go into the details of how the police makes a request, gets dvd | Jul 04 21:20 |
| schestowitz | with accoint data | Jul 04 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "the docs I sent you also shows y"> From what I understood years ago in a chat with Eric Sandeen, not all file systems work like NTFS and just leave bits and pieces everywhere. When I asked him if it was generally possible to undelete a file after deleting it on an XFS file system, he told me no. | Jul 04 21:20 |
| schestowitz | even deleted account | Jul 04 21:20 |
| schestowitz | gdrive | Jul 04 21:20 |
| schestowitz | and gmail, complete | Jul 04 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Once it's unlinked, it's just gone, according to him. No undelete utilities exist that work on XFS. | Jul 04 21:21 |
| schestowitz | only is xfs shreds it | Jul 04 21:21 |
| schestowitz | otherwise you can recover or guess inode | Jul 04 21:21 |
| schestowitz | based on some signatures | Jul 04 21:21 |
| schestowitz | and then recover from that | Jul 04 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | might take time | Jul 04 21:21 |
| schestowitz | shredding data surface when you delete stuff would slow down many system calls | Jul 04 21:22 |
| schestowitz | like deleting expired files when web-surfing | Jul 04 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of time, because the journal has already forgotten about it and been updated without its location. | Jul 04 21:22 |
| schestowitz | simple tossing away the reference to blocks is vastly faster | Jul 04 21:22 |
| schestowitz | and you make them as available for use by the FS | Jul 04 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Criminals do prefer Linux and they also tend to prefer full disk encryption. | Jul 04 21:23 |
| schestowitz | tbh, I don't know the pertinent technical differences of different unix/linux file systems, only key features | Jul 04 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I never looked at how they actually implement the darn thing, you'd need to also know the hardware/firmware interfaces | Jul 04 21:23 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of them don't trust Windows, especially 10. They know all about how Microsoft has eyes on them everywhere in it. | Jul 04 21:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: only the smart criminals | Jul 04 21:24 |
| schestowitz | i.e. the "successful" ones | Jul 04 21:24 |
| schestowitz | the ones that take a long time to catch | Jul 04 21:24 |
| schestowitz | the stupid ones you might not think can get a "big name"... they get caught fast like Jones... for very lousy practices | Jul 04 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the guy Facebook went after was using Tor and he was blackmailing nudes from teenagers for years and years. | Jul 04 21:24 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Facebook and the police were stumped and they eventually got him to fuck up by playing a booby trapped "video" file while he was connected to wifi. | Jul 04 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Whoops. | Jul 04 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | police prefers dumb criminals and dumb software | Jul 04 21:25 |
| schestowitz | makes their job easier | Jul 04 21:25 |
| schestowitz | drives up their "numbers" | Jul 04 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To be fair, it's kind of the fault of Tails for including a video player that could access the internet. | Jul 04 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They didn't mention which player, but I'm guessing since VLC recently patched a severe buffer overflow like the one described in that attack, that might be the one. | Jul 04 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora compiles programs like this with some hardening flags passed to the compiler. | Jul 04 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: VLC | Jul 04 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it's hardly a guarantee that exploitable bugs will be neutralized. It's just some additional sanity checks. | Jul 04 21:28 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Chromebooks could get huge gaming boost with Steam support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139495#comment-25683 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1327fdcd-3810-451f-93a3-672f89ec85b2] | Jul 04 21:28 | |
| XRevan86 | or no, wait, apparently they bundle Totem | Jul 04 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It is possible that Tails, which is Debian based, doesn't even do that. | Jul 04 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That would be Gstreamer then. | Jul 04 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It Gstreamed his real IP address all the way to the FBI. B-) | Jul 04 21:29 |
| XRevan86 | But I had the impression that it was VLC, the news I read on topic implied VLC. | Jul 04 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gstreamer is a real shit sandwich. | Jul 04 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've been using Celluloid. MPV strikes me as much better. | Jul 04 21:30 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: GStreamer isn't into Internet though. | Jul 04 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | Totem probably is though, irrespectively of GStreamer. | Jul 04 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would not open a video file, regardless. | Jul 04 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Remember they still find horrible bugs in JPEG software. | Jul 04 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just an image format that's nearly three decades old. | Jul 04 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | VLC can be installed on Tails, and that's probably what our moron did. | Jul 04 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'd think that that would be safe by now, but not really. | Jul 04 21:32 |
| schestowitz | I was upset at #mastodon folks trying to throttle or censor my posts for "too much" (no other reason); hopefully identica doesn't go down the same jungle. | Jul 04 21:32 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/18503341 | Jul 04 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@icavot@diasp.org: @{victorhck; victorhck@pod.orkz.net}, @{tomgrz; tomgrz@diasporing.ch}, @{freelabs federation; freelabs@diasporapod.no}, @{Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊); schestowitz@joindiaspora.com}, @{J R; urbanroman@diasp.org}, @{HU Art Sound (2); artsound2@diasp.eu} I’ve started to follow your posts from my user account on diasp.org as well. This is because I cannot see many of Roy Schestowitz's posts on the #orkz pod now, ... | Jul 04 21:32 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Your mention of identi.ca confused me. | Jul 04 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The Shut Up and Dance episode of Dark Mirror was my favorite one. | Jul 04 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Did you mean to say Diaspora*? | Jul 04 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some internet troll was blackmailing him with his CP and got him to rob a bank and kill someone and stuff to try to not have the guy leak it out. | Jul 04 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then it got leaked anyway, and emailed to his mom. | Jul 04 21:33 |
| *XRevan86 checked https://identi.ca/schestowitz just in case. | Jul 04 21:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dr. Roy Schestowitz - Identi.ca | Jul 04 21:34 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The whole time the episode is trying to string you along like "All this guy did was jerk off to some porn?". | Jul 04 21:34 |
| XRevan86 | (I wonder if identi.ca's pump.io is kept up-to-date) | Jul 04 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of the troll's other victims said, "You went to a porn site? Everyone does that. The Pope probably does it!". | Jul 04 21:34 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 04 21:35 |
| kingoffrance | thats actually a thing in utah cuz we are so repressed i guess | Jul 04 21:35 |
| kingoffrance | you get spam emails / phone calls -- i will out you to your bishop lol | Jul 04 21:36 |
| kingoffrance | unless you pay me | Jul 04 21:36 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 04 21:36 |
| kingoffrance | i mean, thats a thing everywhere, but they seem to target this area with customized things | Jul 04 21:36 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 04 21:36 |
| kingoffrance | i always reply "if you knew how old my laptop was, you would know i have no webcam" | Jul 04 21:37 |
| kingoffrance | "please choose your victims more carefully" | Jul 04 21:37 |
| kingoffrance | "i.e. people who actually have cameras" | Jul 04 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: You mean, you reply to spam? | Jul 04 21:37 |
| kingoffrance | occasionally | Jul 04 21:37 |
| kingoffrance | but most of them just want you to send bitcoin | Jul 04 21:38 |
| XRevan86 | What a waste of time. | Jul 04 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <kingoffrance "you get spam emails / phone call"> The Bishop? Just got done choking him this morning! It was fabulous! | Jul 04 21:38 |
| XRevan86 | And proof of existence to spammers. | Jul 04 21:38 |
| kingoffrance | eh | Jul 04 21:38 |
| kingoffrance | if i am trying to be anonymous i would care about that, depends | Jul 04 21:38 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: yes, Freudian slup | Jul 04 21:38 |
| schestowitz | *slip | Jul 04 21:38 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: How old-school of you :) (said a person hosting software that used to be identi.ca) | Jul 04 21:39 |
| kingoffrance | its not like i write a detailed essay -- you just sometimes get some guy who wants to argue | Jul 04 21:40 |
| kingoffrance | like you said "proof of existence" goes both ways | Jul 04 21:40 |
| kingoffrance | :) | Jul 04 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Your existence is more valuable to them, unless you intend to relay gathered information to some authority. | Jul 04 21:41 |
| *XRevan86 wants to migrate ldavg to PostgreSQL, but cannot quite master pgloader, it keeps crashing with insults about my mother^W RAM. | Jul 04 21:43 | |
| kingoffrance | not really | Jul 04 21:43 |
| kingoffrance | you cant rob broke people with zero bank accounts | Jul 04 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: I mean, in a sense that they'll continue to send spam to you. | Jul 04 21:44 |
| kingoffrance | eh, i function as a tar pit then :) | Jul 04 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | Did I say master? I mean to get proficient in use of. | Jul 04 21:46 |
| XRevan86 | I apologise for racist terminology, it's just that I still haven't mastered th… darn it | Jul 04 21:48 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 04 21:48 |
| kingoffrance | i dont pretend to tell other people how to live -- just IMO there is so little law any pretension is an illusion | Jul 04 21:48 |
| kingoffrance | i have little faith in cops protecting me | Jul 04 21:49 |
| kingoffrance | so it makes little sense to try to be "in the system" | Jul 04 21:49 |
| kingoffrance | which i think is what people who are anonymous try to do -- they are protecting their things that exist "in the system" | Jul 04 21:50 |
| kingoffrance | i think most tech. comes down to "who has the most money" so nsa can spy on anyone they want IMO | Jul 04 21:50 |
| kingoffrance | its not a technical issue IMO | Jul 04 21:50 |
| kingoffrance | its a "who do you know/who has money" IMO | Jul 04 21:50 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: I read what DaemonFC[m] and stop every time he says something like "but they cannot do it by law". | Jul 04 21:50 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 04 21:50 |
| kingoffrance | well even if that were true | Jul 04 21:51 |
| kingoffrance | they just need one little tiny piece of blackmail | Jul 04 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: As a someone who lives in Russia, that's not my observation. | Jul 04 21:51 |
| kingoffrance | and then, "goes both ways" :) | Jul 04 21:51 |
| kingoffrance | you have to obey them or face "the law" :) | Jul 04 21:51 |
| kingoffrance | mutually assured destruction in a sense | Jul 04 21:51 |
| kingoffrance | i hope i dont sound like some teenager -- i think it is selfevident they have ways to prevent you from going to the law | Jul 04 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | Even violation of the letter of the law is commonplace in law enforcement and politics | Jul 04 21:52 |
| schestowitz | +11,458 new #covid19 cases in FL reported today. All-time high, I think... | Jul 04 21:52 |
| akingu | XRevan86: I used Identi.ca too, but didn't get my account moved over after there was a problem with the server. | Jul 04 21:52 |
| akingu | Roy was on there every day I remember | Jul 04 21:52 |
| kingoffrance | i guess, IMO in real world you need a cell phone | Jul 04 21:52 |
| XRevan86 | akingu: The problem being pump.io migration? | Jul 04 21:52 |
| kingoffrance | so all your "privacy" is basically worthless unless you are independently wealthy | Jul 04 21:52 |
| schestowitz | [21:52] <akingu> XRevan86: I used Identi.ca too, but didn't get my account moved over after there was a problem with the server. | Jul 04 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, we have a system of laws, but what they've done is pervert the intent of the constitution while technically going by the wording. | Jul 04 21:52 |
| kingoffrance | because every employer is going to have all the info. on you anyways, IRS as well, etc. | Jul 04 21:52 |
| schestowitz | it lasted for weeks and that's when Evan lost control of the userbase | Jul 04 21:52 |
| kingoffrance | else, they wont hire you | Jul 04 21:53 |
| kingoffrance | now, if you have a nice nest egg, are retired -- then i think privacy is more important | Jul 04 21:53 |
| kingoffrance | if you are working age -- just a mirage IMO | Jul 04 21:53 |
| akingu | What should I use now? The "Fediverse" seems littered with censorship outlets instead of federation | Jul 04 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Basing legal decisions on murky interpretations of the constitution will be easier to back out later. | Jul 04 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | 40k US cases now... with about 4 hours to go (to report) | Jul 04 21:54 |
| kingoffrance | likewise, e.g. the fidelity hack by china or whoever -- all your privacy disappeared anyways | Jul 04 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gay marriage was definitely a 14th Amendment issue though. | Jul 04 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | akingu: The federation got a lot more fragmented, but the truth that no one has ultimate control still holds. | Jul 04 21:54 |
| kingoffrance | they got SSNs, who knows what else | Jul 04 21:54 |
| kingoffrance | the "weakest link" is going to be "out of your control" IMO | Jul 04 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | fragmented in terms of vision of how it should develop | Jul 04 21:54 |
| schestowitz | akingu: self-hosting | Jul 04 21:54 |
| schestowitz | not social control media | Jul 04 21:54 |
| schestowitz | rss feeds | Jul 04 21:54 |
| kingoffrance | and without an SSN, again, no employer will hire you | Jul 04 21:55 |
| schestowitz | hard to censor it when you connect to an ip address | Jul 04 21:55 |
| kingoffrance | because that is your taxpayer number too | Jul 04 21:55 |
| schestowitz | unless dns goes all wonky and icann does speech police | Jul 04 21:55 |
| kingoffrance | whether that is legal -- they do it anyways | Jul 04 21:55 |
| akingu | If self-hosting, it won't appear on the mainpage of any of the big instances | Jul 04 21:55 |
| schestowitz | even then I think it's iana, if you bypass domain level/dns/resolve level | Jul 04 21:55 |
| kingoffrance | i got kicked from #freebsd-social because i said i dont trust cybersecurity rudolph guilanni | Jul 04 21:56 |
| kingoffrance | s/cybersecurity/& czar/ | Jul 04 21:56 |
| schestowitz | akingu: that's the chicken and egg problem | Jul 04 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | akingu: meh | Jul 04 21:56 |
| schestowitz | we used to have things like technorati | Jul 04 21:56 |
| schestowitz | whose founder now works for mozilla. boo | Jul 04 21:56 |
| kingoffrance | point being: the "weakest link" for my privacy is rudolph guillani | Jul 04 21:56 |
| kingoffrance | so i am fucked anyways | Jul 04 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Is he the king off rance? | Jul 04 21:57 |
| kingoffrance | he is american politician | Jul 04 21:57 |
| schestowitz | [root@techrights public_html]# grep feed /var/log/httpd/techrights.org-access_log | wc | Jul 04 21:57 |
| schestowitz | 200605 3462526 32913211 | Jul 04 21:57 |
| akingu | Well I am trying to find something. So far considering Voat, Gab, Bitchute and a few others | Jul 04 21:57 |
| kingoffrance | he may be a good leader, i dunno; he is there cuz after 9/11 he was mayor of new york IIRC | Jul 04 21:57 |
| kingoffrance | i wouldnt rule out a non-tech person can lead a tech team | Jul 04 21:57 |
| schestowitz | that's in 6 days, so the chicken-egg thing isn't an issue for us anymore | Jul 04 21:57 |
| akingu | Thinking "pleroma" might be better than Gab, and PeerTube better than bitchute | Jul 04 21:57 |
| kingoffrance | but i have zero faith e.g. after fidelity hack, etc. | Jul 04 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | akingu: I only know Gab of the list, and it's a rotten place. | Jul 04 21:57 |
| kingoffrance | too much crazy going on right now | Jul 04 21:57 |
| schestowitz | reddit censorship | Jul 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | The Donald | Jul 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | even pro-president stuff | Jul 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | he's scam | Jul 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | and scum | Jul 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | but he's still president | Jul 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | he was inaugurated, no military coup | Jul 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | and now reddit (conde nast) bans its supporters too | Jul 04 21:58 |
| akingu | XRevan86: Seems like they have their own set of issues they care about, but it is the biggest instance, they have a free speech committment, and they are the most banned instance, so that counts in their favour IMO | Jul 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | censorship is now backed by boycotts | Jul 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | boycotts FOR censorship | Jul 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | and they always have their reasons "ready" | Jul 04 21:59 |
| schestowitz | David Icke banned from youtube | Jul 04 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | akingu: No, they're kinda the ones that got banned for good reasons. | Jul 04 21:59 |
| schestowitz | for being crazy, I assume, not rude | Jul 04 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | akingu: If you want a chill instance, you can look at shitposter.club | Jul 04 21:59 |
| akingu | XRevan86: No. I did research that myself. | Jul 04 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | also very banned, for not so good reasons | Jul 04 21:59 |
| schestowitz | some good people are there too | Jul 04 22:00 |
| schestowitz | not great people | Jul 04 22:00 |
| schestowitz | but quite benign in my experience i | Jul 04 22:00 |
| akingu | shitposter.club doesn't seem to score many points in the optics department | Jul 04 22:00 |
| schestowitz | ime, some are there because they value speech, not because they're a-holes | Jul 04 22:00 |
| akingu | Ill check it out | Jul 04 22:00 |
| schestowitz | I see some of them coming from there... in pleroma notifications | Jul 04 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | akingu: In what way? | Jul 04 22:00 |
| akingu | It sounds like a discord | Jul 04 22:00 |
| schestowitz | either way, dump those central systems | Jul 04 22:01 |
| schestowitz | we need to control our pipes | Jul 04 22:01 |
| XRevan86 | akingu: Like a what? Lord of chaos? | Jul 04 22:01 |
| schestowitz | then only the isps are a barrier | Jul 04 22:01 |
| schestowitz | and you can swap isps easily | Jul 04 22:01 |
| schestowitz | if they're too censorious, they cannot take your sites offline either wau | Jul 04 22:01 |
| schestowitz | *way | Jul 04 22:01 |
| schestowitz | social control media = chokepoints and pipes | Jul 04 22:01 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, it always struck me weird how youtube took off ; like "we host videos" "lets centralize everything" -- i guess, it seemed a step backwards always IMO | Jul 04 22:01 |
| schestowitz | they're a glue between people and if they de-platform you, all the pipes break | Jul 04 22:02 |
| kingoffrance | i guess it saves hosters bandwidth | Jul 04 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trying to take screenshots, but my mouse is shorting out. | Jul 04 22:02 |
| kingoffrance | costs i mean | Jul 04 22:02 |
| schestowitz | and you don't get a chance to tell subscribers (youtube, twitter, fb) where to find you instead | Jul 04 22:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: use spectacle | Jul 04 22:02 |
| schestowitz | or ksnip | Jul 04 22:03 |
| schestowitz | spectacle in kde is really good | Jul 04 22:03 |
| schestowitz | I tried like a dozen screen grabbers over the years, inc. printscreena and import with some options from the CLI, spectacle is fasted for me to work with now | Jul 04 22:03 |
| schestowitz | *fastest | Jul 04 22:04 |
| schestowitz | this was posted yesterday-ish | Jul 04 22:04 |
| schestowitz | https://euroquis.nl//kde/2020/07/03/ksnip.html | Jul 04 22:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euroquis.nl | KSnip and Spectacle | [bobulate] | Jul 04 22:04 | |
| schestowitz | he's the kde dev who's making the freebsd builds of it | Jul 04 22:04 |
| schestowitz | among other projects | Jul 04 22:04 |
| XRevan86 | akingu: If you mean that the domain name sends a bad message, consider that Gab has a reputation of a place for… TVW's (traditional values warriors) | Jul 04 22:05 |
| *schestowitz stopped posting in gab, but did not delete the account | Jul 04 22:05 | |
| kingoffrance | i guess, if privacy was corona, i dont think my actions make much difference -- too many potential people coughing on me, and i have to interact with them anyways basically | Jul 04 22:06 |
| *kingoffrance <-- bitter ex-sysadmin | Jul 04 22:06 | |
| kingoffrance | they only care about privacy *AFTER* they are hacked | Jul 04 22:06 |
| kingoffrance | not before | Jul 04 22:06 |
| XRevan86 | traditional values like good-old racial and sexual disrimination that is | Jul 04 22:07 |
| kingoffrance | its an invisible non-monetary delusional "gain" you cant convince people to care ...until they are hacked | Jul 04 22:07 |
| schestowitz | does not say WHOSE tradition | Jul 04 22:07 |
| schestowitz | kingoffrance: what do you do instead of sys-admining now? | Jul 04 22:08 |
| kingoffrance | hobby, code, bitch | Jul 04 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Of the lowest stratum of course. | Jul 04 22:09 |
| kingoffrance | avoid work :) | Jul 04 22:09 |
| kingoffrance | "i wouldnt say ive been missing it" office space | Jul 04 22:09 |
| schestowitz | work is good if | Jul 04 22:09 |
| schestowitz | you don't define work as "For a salary" | Jul 04 22:09 |
| kingoffrance | sponge off of relatives | Jul 04 22:09 |
| schestowitz | work in its own right isn't a dirty word | Jul 04 22:09 |
| kingoffrance | in exchange for other things | Jul 04 22:09 |
| schestowitz | drinking beer and sipping wine is not work | Jul 04 22:09 |
| schestowitz | doing garden work is work | Jul 04 22:09 |
| schestowitz | so is cleaning your house | Jul 04 22:10 |
| schestowitz | many women work a lot more than men | Jul 04 22:10 |
| schestowitz | I think of techrights as work for no financial gain (there's none) | Jul 04 22:10 |
| kingoffrance | i have enough little odd jobs to skate by i suppose | Jul 04 22:10 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, i agree | Jul 04 22:11 |
| kingoffrance | work == money i think is idiotic | Jul 04 22:11 |
| schestowitz | that's good enough if you don't have kids to send to US college | Jul 04 22:11 |
| kingoffrance | yes | Jul 04 22:11 |
| schestowitz | kingoffrance: you know who pushes this idea and why | Jul 04 22:11 |
| schestowitz | and that in itself is misogynistic | Jul 04 22:11 |
| kingoffrance | i think it is false capitalism versus communism paradigm (false because the world runs on credit, not capital, for one) | Jul 04 22:11 |
| schestowitz | later they wonder why many women feel like diry | Jul 04 22:11 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, that too | Jul 04 22:11 |
| schestowitz | *dirt | Jul 04 22:12 |
| schestowitz | and then tell us, the men who work hard, that we're sexist | Jul 04 22:12 |
| kingoffrance | to say work == money is to say there is no such thing as a bribe | Jul 04 22:12 |
| kingoffrance | which is idiotic | Jul 04 22:12 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: "capital" in capitalism is about what defines leverage. | Jul 04 22:12 |
| schestowitz | there's also the time/money aspect | Jul 04 22:12 |
| kingoffrance | ^^^ | Jul 04 22:12 |
| schestowitz | rms said something to the effect os | Jul 04 22:13 |
| schestowitz | *of | Jul 04 22:13 |
| schestowitz | "time is not money when all you have is time" | Jul 04 22:13 |
| schestowitz | some people still have more time than others | Jul 04 22:13 |
| XRevan86 | More money giving more power is capitalism. | Jul 04 22:13 |
| schestowitz | the world's richest people haven't much time left | Jul 04 22:13 |
| schestowitz | and they can't exchange the money for dementia-free brains | Jul 04 22:13 |
| kingoffrance | yes, this is why i gave up most my possesions == more time to code | Jul 04 22:14 |
| kingoffrance | less maintenance | Jul 04 22:14 |
| schestowitz | 'possessions' | Jul 04 22:14 |
| schestowitz | people think they 'own' things | Jul 04 22:14 |
| schestowitz | like 'cars' | Jul 04 22:14 |
| schestowitz | they have car keys | Jul 04 22:14 |
| kingoffrance | yes, they own you :) | Jul 04 22:14 |
| kingoffrance | like cats | Jul 04 22:14 |
| XRevan86 | Like Russia isn't pure capitalism, because good relations with Putin are more powerful than money. Money can be taken away. | Jul 04 22:14 |
| schestowitz | they have control over where the car moves | Jul 04 22:14 |
| schestowitz | unless someone smashes the window and dashes off with it | Jul 04 22:15 |
| schestowitz | then you turn to the police to "protect your property" | Jul 04 22:15 |
| kingoffrance | i guess, i just decided i would code for hobby, and dont really care what "job" i have to take | Jul 04 22:15 |
| kingoffrance | so, whether that is good or bad | Jul 04 22:15 |
| schestowitz | and maybe they'll even get it back to you | Jul 04 22:15 |
| kingoffrance | many people would say "dont maek your hobby your job, or you will hate both" | Jul 04 22:15 |
| schestowitz | the insurance is not there by design, you must pay for it... often without a choice on the matter | Jul 04 22:15 |
| schestowitz | unless you live in your car it's hardly your possession, sorry... | Jul 04 22:16 |
| schestowitz | "it's just something out there...: | Jul 04 22:16 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 04 22:16 |
| schestowitz | with your farts in it | Jul 04 22:16 |
| XRevan86 | It's a materialised instance of proprietary technology. | Jul 04 22:17 |
| schestowitz | the lifetime of cars is incredible short | Jul 04 22:17 |
| schestowitz | and it loses market value very rapidly, like half of it in the first 12-24 months | Jul 04 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | With only physical materials in one's possession. | Jul 04 22:18 |
| schestowitz | but in the us poverty means bad health | Jul 04 22:18 |
| schestowitz | no social security nets for basic wellbeing | Jul 04 22:18 |
| schestowitz | they need to fix that | Jul 04 22:18 |
| schestowitz | in the US poverty can be a death sentence | Jul 04 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: A libertarian dream | Jul 04 22:21 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139518 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cd88c4fd-e5f6-4f0d-a18c-3367a042921a] | Jul 04 22:31 | |
| schestowitz | +41,157 | Jul 04 22:35 |
| schestowitz | India +24,015 | Jul 04 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/senolaldibas/status/1279505990354972674 | Jul 04 22:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@senolaldibas: @schestowitz And 1.200.000 students study on our special edition Pardus ETAP Interactive Board.… https://t.co/wI6peO7kcR | Jul 04 22:47 | |
| schestowitz | wow, lots of users | Jul 04 22:47 |
| schestowitz | https://t.co/fILFwLAHsQ?amp=1 | Jul 04 22:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failed connect to tahta.etap.org.tr:443; Connection refused ( status 0 @ https://tahta.etap.org.tr/ ) | Jul 04 22:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/crystalshen6/status/1279469858460139520 | Jul 04 22:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@crystalshen6: 😮 Here is a techie on YouTube with a more recent story, one of IT industry persecution & going by "GaryKildall". It… https://t.co/cN5HGDD9Wm | Jul 04 22:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@crystalshen6: 😮 Here is a techie on YouTube with a more recent story, one of IT industry persecution & going by "GaryKildall". It… https://t.co/cN5HGDD9Wm | Jul 04 22:48 | |
| schestowitz | " Here is a techie on YouTube with a more recent story, one of IT industry persecution & going by "GaryKildall". It's clearly not the same guy but it's interesting." | Jul 04 22:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/WulfKhan/status/1279401847355293696 | Jul 04 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@WulfKhan: @schestowitz Terrible news, economic, social and radical justice reform. What will these dangerous extremists think of next? | Jul 04 22:49 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: +43,580 | Jul 04 23:37 |
| schestowitz | about 10 states have no reported yet | Jul 04 23:38 |
| schestowitz | https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ | Jul 04 23:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | United States Coronavirus: 2,934,168 Cases and 132,302 Deaths - Worldometer | Jul 04 23:38 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/04/tech-employees-open-wallets-to-beat-trump-even-as-stocks-profits-soar.html | Jul 04 23:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Tech employees open wallets to beat Trump even as stocks, profits soar | Jul 04 23:52 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Smart enough to realize that their companies won't go on much longer if there is no economy to support tech spending. | Jul 04 23:52 |
| schestowitz | BS headline | Jul 04 23:53 |
| schestowitz | some of them fake performance | Jul 04 23:53 |
| schestowitz | grossly overvalued | Jul 04 23:53 |
| schestowitz | but this is typical CNBC | Jul 04 23:53 |
| schestowitz | cheering for the billionaires | Jul 04 23:53 |
| schestowitz | also, many of these employees lose their jobs | Jul 04 23:54 |
| schestowitz | so hurry "stocks, profits soar" | Jul 04 23:54 |
| schestowitz | *hurray | Jul 04 23:54 |
| schestowitz | I learned to ignore this site and several others | Jul 04 23:54 |
| schestowitz | it's like their principal purpose is to rally "the market" | Jul 04 23:54 |
| schestowitz | never mind what's actually going on, like employees suffering deeplt | Jul 04 23:55 |
| schestowitz | *deeply | Jul 04 23:55 |
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