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| oiaohm | scientes: the answer is no. But being smoker can make getting a rental way harder. | Dec 04 01:14 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: https://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-1-prevalence/1-3-prevalence-of-smoking-adults USA has less people smoking tobacco by percentage of population than Australia does. | Dec 04 01:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au | 1.3 Prevalence of smoking—adults - Tobacco in Australia | Dec 04 01:18 | |
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| scientes | oiaohm, i was more thinking of the $20/pack | Dec 04 06:06 |
| scientes | USD | Dec 04 06:06 |
| scientes | considering that most smokers smoke a pack a day, that is rent on cigarettes | Dec 04 06:07 |
| scientes | australian rent | Dec 04 06:10 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: landlords and employers in Australia can in fact reject you if you are a smoker. | Dec 04 06:21 |
| oiaohm | scientes: so decent rental places with decent rent prices don't apply to you if you smoke. | Dec 04 06:22 |
| oiaohm | scientes: so smokers are not exactly homeless but in some cases being homeless would be safer than some of the crap rental buildings that will accept them. | Dec 04 06:24 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/31/96ab8fdd96a9fddf.png | Dec 04 06:25 |
| oiaohm | scientes: https://www.2gb.com/australian-cigarette-prices-soar-to-record-highs/ The current tax targets suggest it will cross the 40 AUD a pack in 2020. 27.30 USD. | Dec 04 06:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.2gb.com | Australian cigarette prices soar to record highs | Dec 04 06:27 | |
| oiaohm | scientes: that will move it from roughly a 10000 AUD habit to about a 20000 AUD habit for pack a day smokers.. | Dec 04 06:28 |
| MinceR | are they trying to find out at which point extreme taxation will make it work like illegal drugs in terms of production and trade? | Dec 04 06:29 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/4364.0.55.001~2017-18~Main%20Features~Smoking~85 less than 1 in 4 of australian smokers are a pack a day smokers. 1 in 3 smoke less than half a pack a day. | Dec 04 06:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abs.gov.au | 4364.0.55.001 - National Health Survey: First Results, 2017-18 | Dec 04 06:31 | |
| scientes | MinceR, exactly | Dec 04 06:33 |
| scientes | MinceR, but it helps that Australia is an island | Dec 04 06:33 |
| scientes | "If you're caught growing it in Australia, you're facing jail time. " | Dec 04 06:35 |
| scientes | https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/pae75k/we-asked-a-tobacco-farmer-if-growing-your-own-chop-chop-is-worth-it | Dec 04 06:35 |
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| scientes | https://howtogrow-tobacco.blogspot.com/2017/07/can-you-grow-your-own-tobacco-in.html | Dec 04 06:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-howtogrow-tobacco.blogspot.com | Can You Grow Your Own Tobacco In Australia | Dec 04 06:37 | |
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| oiaohm | scientes: lot of those site get it wrong. https://ablis.business.gov.au/service/ag/excise-producers-licence-tobacco-/33410 Yes the license to grow tobacco exists but there is not a single person in Australia in fact with the license. | Dec 04 06:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ablis.business.gov.au | Excise - Producers Licence (Tobacco) - AG - Australian Business Licence and Information Service | Dec 04 06:54 | |
| oiaohm | And there are tones of ways they can say no. | Dec 04 06:54 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: https://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-3-health-effects/3-27-health-effects-of-smoking-tobacco-in-other-fo as noted here illegal chop chop in Australia had problems of being incorrectly processed and dangerous additives. | Dec 04 07:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au | 3.27 Health effects of smoking tobacco in other forms - Tobacco in Australia | Dec 04 07:03 | |
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| oiaohm | scientes: basically grow your own tobacco don't know what you are doing have the mold problem and die way sooner. | Dec 04 07:05 |
| MinceR | i doubt dying sooner will turn off smokers | Dec 04 07:06 |
| oiaohm | In some ways the government does not have to go after most chop chop as they are basically exteminating themselves. | Dec 04 07:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: when I say way sooner I mean smoke one bad batch with the right mold dead in a week. | Dec 04 07:06 |
| MinceR | the government doesn't have to act as the third parent to every citizen, yet it does | Dec 04 07:06 |
| oiaohm | chop chop is basically as bad as those dieing of vaping in the usa due to bad solution. | Dec 04 07:07 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/31/b0a17d26149b92bf.jpg | Dec 04 07:16 |
| oiaohm | http://nosmokes.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/history_of_smoking_nosmokes.pdf << there is techically a plant that a person in Australia could grow legally without requiring a permit to get nicotine fix | Dec 04 07:20 |
| scientes | <MinceR> i doubt dying sooner will turn off smokers | Dec 04 07:21 |
| scientes | hehehehehehe | Dec 04 07:21 |
| scientes | <MinceR> the government doesn't have to act as the third parent to every citizen, yet it does | Dec 04 07:21 |
| scientes | MinceR, don't you want what is best for you? | Dec 04 07:21 |
| scientes | I think the plain-packaging was a great idea | Dec 04 07:21 |
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| scientes | and it is true that the health costs (even with a decent health-care system) of smoking are still higher than the taxes on cigarettes | Dec 04 07:22 |
| MinceR | apparently i don't | Dec 04 07:22 |
| scientes | so either smokers need to be given more palliative care and less "I don't want to die" heath care (even if they don't care and it is the government saying "don't let that sinner die"), or the price should not be obscene | Dec 04 07:23 |
| scientes | chemotherepy is extremely expensive | Dec 04 07:24 |
| scientes | and smokers kinda asked for it | Dec 04 07:24 |
| oiaohm | One of the interesting problems Australia has is every time they set the tax rate on cigerete to the level to cover the medical bill more stop smoking so have to raise the tax again. | Dec 04 07:25 |
| scientes | (hell, the cigarettes in Costa Rica even have written on them "Sus chemoterapia esta lista) | Dec 04 07:25 |
| oiaohm | Maybe 2020 tax on cigarettes will finally be high enough. | Dec 04 07:25 |
| oiaohm | Do note the Australian native nicotine plant cannot not be smoked only can be chewed. | Dec 04 07:26 |
| oiaohm | So no second hand smoke problem. | Dec 04 07:27 |
| MinceR | yeah, that worked out so well for cocaine, heroin and ethanol | Dec 04 07:28 |
| MinceR | it certainly didn't increase crime :> | Dec 04 07:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Do note what I pointed to. There is not in fact 100 percent Prohibition. There is a particular option still left on the table legal and not taxed. | Dec 04 07:30 |
| oiaohm | Its more of a question how long do people refuse to take that path. | Dec 04 07:31 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: do you think people are going to care? | Dec 04 07:33 |
| MinceR | do you think people are just going to pay arbitrarily high taxes just so they can say they're doing it legally? | Dec 04 07:33 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19101224 | Dec 04 07:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 04 07:38 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituri This is Australia there are many things here that can kill you if you don't know what you are doing. | Dec 04 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pituri - Wikipedia | Dec 04 07:41 | |
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| oiaohm | Yes the native nicotine plants are not the simplest to deal with. Worse if they are mixed in with normal tobaco by illegal trade. | Dec 04 07:42 |
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| MinceR | if an addict can't afford tobacco anymore because of the latest tax rate hike, but tobacco is available illegally at relatively reasonable prices, what do you think they will do? | Dec 04 07:43 |
| oiaohm | Remember illegal available tobacco has very good chance in Australia of being death sentence.. | Dec 04 07:43 |
| scientes | prohibition worked really well for the UX | Dec 04 07:44 |
| scientes | *US | Dec 04 07:44 |
| scientes | and was really safe | Dec 04 07:44 |
| oiaohm | With prohibition you did not have in most case highly fatal stuff. | Dec 04 07:44 |
| scientes | nobody died of methanol poisoning | Dec 04 07:44 |
| scientes | oiaohm, when organized crime gets in control they usually make it safer | Dec 04 07:45 |
| scientes | once they get organized | Dec 04 07:45 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 04 07:46 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i suspect you don't know what "addict" means | Dec 04 07:47 |
| oiaohm | No Australia organized crime + tobbaco normally end up mixing tobbaco with ice because nicotene is not adictive enough for their liking. | Dec 04 07:47 |
| MinceR | and that will make addicts quit cold turkey, right? | Dec 04 07:48 |
| oiaohm | Quit cold turkey on tobbaco yes but then be strung out on ice. | Dec 04 07:48 |
| MinceR | also, i'm sure the criminals will tell their new client that there's something mixed in the first time they sell it | Dec 04 07:48 |
| MinceR | criminals are well known for being open and honest | Dec 04 07:49 |
| oiaohm | That is if the street dealer knows. | Dec 04 07:49 |
| oiaohm | Its a nasty process found of soaking the ice into the tobaco then trying the tobaco. | Dec 04 07:50 |
| oiaohm | So it looks normal | Dec 04 07:50 |
| oiaohm | Between our natural envornment and our criminal underworld. avoiding the tax on tobbaco is basically death sentence. | Dec 04 07:51 |
| MinceR | i guess it's better for poor addicts to get into criminal methods of getting the money for taxed tobacco, then | Dec 04 07:52 |
| MinceR | that is, if they care about staying alive | Dec 04 07:52 |
| scientes | but again, when did tobacco addicts care about staying alive? | Dec 04 07:53 |
| scientes | or I guess they prefer a slow death to a sudden one | Dec 04 07:53 |
| scientes | slow and painful | Dec 04 07:53 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 04 07:53 |
| oiaohm | Death by ice side effects can be slower and more painful than tobacco. | Dec 04 07:54 |
| MinceR | at least criminal methods of getting the money for taxed tobacco will show up in a different part of the statistics | Dec 04 07:54 |
| MinceR | so the government can claim they've fixed the problem | Dec 04 07:54 |
| scientes | please call it something other than "ice" | Dec 04 07:54 |
| scientes | i'm tired of all this slang | Dec 04 07:54 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 04 07:54 |
| scientes | I keep imagining people eating snow-cones | Dec 04 07:54 |
| MinceR | https://i.chzbgr.com/full/4515464960/h04484B4F/ | Dec 04 07:55 |
| oiaohm | scientes: Crystal methamphetamine is not easy to type. | Dec 04 07:56 |
| scientes | MinceR, if youare gong to do memes, at least make them good | Dec 04 07:56 |
| scientes | "meth" | Dec 04 07:56 |
| scientes | it is only one more letter | Dec 04 07:57 |
| oiaohm | I think Australia is one of the few places that meth end up being smuggled in tobacco. | Dec 04 07:57 |
| scientes | I think i had a cigarette laced with meth once | Dec 04 07:58 |
| scientes | it was from India | Dec 04 07:58 |
| MinceR | and you have your government to thank for that | Dec 04 07:58 |
| scientes | it was also the first cigarette I ever smoked so it kinda gave me a warped impression of tobacco | Dec 04 07:58 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 04 07:58 |
| oiaohm | India one normally crack cocaine based | Dec 04 07:59 |
| scientes | i through it away after the first hit | Dec 04 07:59 |
| scientes | oiaohm, ok, then that was it | Dec 04 07:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes a cocaine boosted cigarette is a very different experence. | Dec 04 07:59 |
| scientes | "boosted" | Dec 04 08:00 |
| oiaohm | meth one is instant meth addition where you are craving it badly. | Dec 04 08:00 |
| scientes | really? | Dec 04 08:00 |
| scientes | cause when i had opiates I hated it | Dec 04 08:00 |
| scientes | hating being high on painkillers | Dec 04 08:00 |
| scientes | I never want to experience that again | Dec 04 08:00 |
| scientes | and I don't understand why anyone would pay for that | Dec 04 08:01 |
| oiaohm | Combination of nicotine and meth causes in lot people instant brain chemistly modification to dependancy. | Dec 04 08:01 |
| oiaohm | Reason why our underworld loves it. | Dec 04 08:01 |
| oiaohm | Path to extract money at stupid rates. | Dec 04 08:01 |
| oiaohm | There are many reasons why Australian government is trying to get rid of tobacoo. One of it is how our underworld uses it. | Dec 04 08:04 |
| Hail_Spacecake | is there a reason you guys don't have an https website? | Dec 04 08:15 |
| scientes | schestowitz, yeah, why are you using self-signed instead of LetsEncrypt.org ? | Dec 04 08:16 |
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| danielinux | https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-funded-face-recognition-tech-reportedly-surveils-palestinians-2019-10?IR=T | Dec 04 12:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Microsoft funded face recognition tech that reportedly surveils Palestinians - Business Insider | Dec 04 12:09 | |
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| roygym | The niuuuuuu Microsoft | Dec 04 12:33 |
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| psydroid | which is dying | Dec 04 12:44 |
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| scientes | psydroid, long, LONG dead | Dec 04 13:03 |
| scientes | like the United States | Dec 04 13:03 |
| oiaohm | One of the problems is how much of our development comes from war | Dec 04 13:03 |
| scientes | "development" | Dec 04 13:03 |
| scientes | oiaohm, most of Australia's economy is all about China | Dec 04 13:03 |
| scientes | same for Perú, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile..... | Dec 04 13:04 |
| scientes | hell, even the US, but in a very different way | Dec 04 13:04 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: https://dfat.gov.au/trade/resources/trade-statistics/trade-in-goods-and-services/Documents/australias-goods-services-by-top-15-partners-2018-19.pdf Yes China is one on the table for who we export to and who we import from at the moment. But on imports USA, japan and germany conbinded is large than china. | Dec 04 13:08 |
| oiaohm | So USA working with Japan could do Australia massive damage. | Dec 04 13:08 |
| oiaohm | scientes: basically Australia is in a rock and hardplace between china and usa. | Dec 04 13:09 |
| psydroid | Dead Microsoft is sending out people now to discredit development of free software on operating systems other than Windows, because "Windows has most users, so it should receive most developer attention" | Dec 04 13:10 |
| psydroid | that's when you know they are panicking | Dec 04 13:10 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: kind of right. They are trying to avoid having to support Linux graphical applications by WSL2. | Dec 04 13:12 |
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| oiaohm | https://appuals.com/linux-becomes-the-most-used-operating-system-on-azure-cloud-based-enterprise-solutions-but-microsoft-isnt-worried/ Like we know over 50 percent of Azure vm are Linux vms. Its only really a matter of time until on Azure there is more money being made from the Linux vms than the windows ones. | Dec 04 13:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Becomes The Most Used Operating System On Azure Cloud-Based Enterprise Solutions, But Microsoft Isn’t Worried - Appuals.com | Dec 04 13:18 | |
| psydroid | overall it's something like 70/30 with Windows declining | Dec 04 13:21 |
| psydroid | across the 5 biggest cloud companies | Dec 04 13:22 |
| scientes | oiaohm, i'm suprised it is only 50% | Dec 04 13:24 |
| scientes | its probably only because windows provides so little (read: none) cross-user security | Dec 04 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Remember Microsoft gets to under cut licensing costs. | Dec 04 13:26 |
| oiaohm | and provide more hardware for the same dollar as other vendors with Windows. | Dec 04 13:27 |
| scientes | oiaohm, the price doesn't matter | Dec 04 13:27 |
| scientes | any price is too much for your freedom | Dec 04 13:27 |
| oiaohm | It does explain why azure numbers are so far out compared to the other vendors. | Dec 04 13:28 |
| scientes | the reason windows sucks so much is because you pay for it | Dec 04 13:28 |
| scientes | seriously | Dec 04 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Like if Azure is roughly 50 percent and the adverage os 30/70 everyone else has to be well under 30. | Dec 04 13:28 |
| oiaohm | It does explain some of the ultra low numbers havinng windows server around 15% Windows server is still the single largest distribution in server usage by quite a bit. Linux distribution fragmentation see Ubuntu and Debian coming in 1-2 percent and they are the leaders of the Linux stuff that can be counted. | Dec 04 13:30 |
| oiaohm | Of course one day I do expect Microsoft to lose that number 1 title on server OS as well. | Dec 04 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Really Linux vs Windows now in server. Looks like the Linux vs Unix in super computers. | Dec 04 13:32 |
| oiaohm | when Unix still had a serous market share. | Dec 04 13:32 |
| scientes | oiaohm, DUH | Dec 04 13:32 |
| scientes | we already know this | Dec 04 13:32 |
| scientes | Steve Ballmer does too | Dec 04 13:33 |
| scientes | oiaohm, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs | Dec 04 13:33 |
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| scientes | this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE | Dec 04 13:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Developers - YouTube | Dec 04 13:33 | |
| oiaohm | If it and we can use Unix progression rates vs Windows progression rates to death we are looking at another 30 darn years of windows server being around | Dec 04 13:33 |
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| scientes | developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers | Dec 04 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Really I hope something happens that Windows server progression rate speeds up. | Dec 04 13:35 |
| oiaohm | to death. | Dec 04 13:36 |
| scientes | developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers | Dec 04 13:36 |
| scientes | developers | Dec 04 13:36 |
| psydroid | it will happen by itself | Dec 04 13:40 |
| psydroid | just look at Windows Phone | Dec 04 13:40 |
| psydroid | it has all the same APIs as Windows on the desktop, but no one was writing applications for it | Dec 04 13:40 |
| psydroid | so it died | Dec 04 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Windows Phone did not happen by itself. | Dec 04 13:41 |
| oiaohm | When you got vendors like qualcomm involved who looked at Windows Phone as a item they could milk the crap out of on mark-up it was absolutely doomed. | Dec 04 13:42 |
| scientes | psydroid, it was dead before it happened | Dec 04 13:45 |
| scientes | even android knew it had to be open source to beat apple | Dec 04 13:45 |
| scientes | and apple still holds quite well considering its expensive crap | Dec 04 13:45 |
| scientes | also android is such a POS | Dec 04 13:46 |
| psydroid | I am seeing the same thing with these Windows on Snapdragon laptops, who is even buying these devices? | Dec 04 13:46 |
| scientes | mainly because you pay for it, again | Dec 04 13:46 |
| scientes | like you can't even propoerly use the SD card on Android | Dec 04 13:46 |
| psydroid | I know, it frustrates me too | Dec 04 13:46 |
| scientes | or if you want to use android as a WireGuard router | Dec 04 13:47 |
| scientes | you are out of luck | Dec 04 13:47 |
| psydroid | I would much rather run the operating system from the SD card | Dec 04 13:47 |
| psydroid | so no Android | Dec 04 13:47 |
| scientes | people buy all these over-priced WireGuard travel routers | Dec 04 13:47 |
| scientes | cause you need a fast processor | Dec 04 13:47 |
| scientes | but you can just use cell-phone | Dec 04 13:48 |
| scientes | except that the software is crap | Dec 04 13:48 |
| scientes | I want to share my LTE with wireguard VPN | Dec 04 13:48 |
| psydroid | Android with its closed drivers set us back many years | Dec 04 13:50 |
| psydroid | I wonder how many cellphones are now able to run mainline kernels because people reverse engineered these closed drivers | Dec 04 13:51 |
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| oiaohm | psydroid: current answer is 3. | Dec 04 14:02 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: Google did it at the recent LPC 2019 conference and that 3 not working perfectly with mainline only. | Dec 04 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Kind of makes the pinephone and librem 5 look like one hell of a undertaking. | Dec 04 14:03 |
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| psydroid | oiaohm, I have a few older phones with LineageOS (but the older kernels) that I would like to run completely (as much as possible) free operating systems on, the first step would be figuring out how to work with the kernel sources and get support upstream | Dec 04 14:05 |
| psydroid | what I have is a collection of Qualcomm, Marvell and Mediatek SoCs | Dec 04 14:06 |
| psydroid | but I have no idea if anyone is working on anything for these chips | Dec 04 14:06 |
| psydroid | yes, I am really glad we have a few serious options these days | Dec 04 14:06 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy was asking me all about insurance. | Dec 04 17:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ugh. | Dec 04 17:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Insurance is usually a scam of some sort. | Dec 04 17:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You pay and you pay, and then if you actually use it you're in even more trouble next time it renews. | Dec 04 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: I was thinking it hours ago | Dec 04 17:30 |
| schestowitz | now they use surveillance | Dec 04 17:30 |
| schestowitz | so they customise based on risk | Dec 04 17:30 |
| schestowitz | like tracking and listening devices inside cars | Dec 04 17:30 |
| schestowitz | so you never get good collective coverage | Dec 04 17:30 |
| schestowitz | they just charge you what they know you're not probable to make good on | Dec 04 17:30 |
| schestowitz | it's more of a scam | Dec 04 17:31 |
| schestowitz | they use surveillance capitalism to cheat | Dec 04 17:31 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, my sister-in-law has cameras and Ring doorbells and shit. | Dec 04 17:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder if they even know what the outfit that's recording them is doing with that, while they're worried that black people from Waukegan are going to break in to get the TV. | Dec 04 17:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've never met people who were so paranoid that they have infrared cameras in every room in their house. If it's really that bad here, the crime, why don't they just move out of Illinois? The damned government here makes off with more than what their television is worth.... Just saying. | Dec 04 17:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The biggest threat to prosperity and personal freedom in America is the government. It doesn't matter what state you live in. The federal government gets us all and the states are all just screwed up in different ways. Encroaching on our liberties in ways that are really none of their business. | Dec 04 17:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Until 2014, when Indiana law was struck down by the Supreme Court, they had a law with no state purpose, telling me who I couldn't marry. It's patronizing religious bullshit. It's not a state interest. | Dec 04 17:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Indiana gets better with every Supreme Court decision. | Dec 04 17:43 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "Ooohieeee, your neighbors had an election and 51% of them are jackasses, look out, oooohiee!" | Dec 04 17:44 |
| MinceR | 04 090135 < oiaohm> Path to extract money at stupid rates. | Dec 04 17:44 |
| MinceR | another such path is called "taxation" | Dec 04 17:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Illinois it's different bullshit. The state is still as much of a menace as Indiana, maybe more. | Dec 04 17:45 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I can see why people say they don't vote because it just legitimizes the state. The idea of the state as a legitimate entity is a bad one that people shouldn't be encouraged to have, but there will be a government, unfortunately. Civilized people don't need to be "governed", but that probably explains why Americans have lots of government. | Dec 04 17:48 |
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| mtf8 | who are these "civilized" people you're measuring your society against? | Dec 04 17:52 |
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| MinceR | :> | Dec 04 17:58 |
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| MinceR | people of fiction | Dec 04 17:58 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | People who end up with the most government regulations tend to be the least civilized. | Dec 04 18:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're so bad at running their affairs that they need the government to work its way into every nook and cranny and threaten them if they do anything else. | Dec 04 18:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Chicago is a pretty good example of this. | Dec 04 18:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bus driver pissed you off? Just beat him with a frozen chicken you bought using SNAP. | Dec 04 18:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The SNAP program now covers 52 million people. | Dec 04 18:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's the government again. Making poverty workable. | Dec 04 18:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a refreshing alternative to food riots because they're doing such a shitty job with the economy that 52 million people would otherwise have no food. | Dec 04 18:03 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: BMW really does have 20,000 mile oil changes. | Dec 04 18:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 40,000 miles is about how long the people who originally buy them keep them until the repair bills are mounting to the point they can't take it anymore and buy a new one. | Dec 04 18:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And who cares what happens to used car owners? | Dec 04 18:09 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: whether you need ot or not, the government will likely intrude into as many aspects of your life as they can manage | Dec 04 18:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Speaking of which, I have to be in court on Monday. | Dec 04 18:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're supposedly going to let me off probation. | Dec 04 18:20 |
| MinceR | good luck | Dec 04 18:21 |
| MinceR | s/ ot / it / | Dec 04 18:22 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/31/395725c83ba01690.jpg | Dec 04 18:24 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I was thinking of wearing one of these to court. | Dec 04 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.amazon.com/Nolite-Te-Bastardes-Carborundorum-Women/dp/B081TTBRRB/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=nolite%2Bte%2Bbastardes%2Bcarborundorum%2Bshirt&qid=1575483860&sr=8-9&customId=B075384WJG&th=1&psc=1 | Dec 04 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | NO TITLE | Dec 04 18:32 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's gibberish, but the joke is a dog latin form of "Don't let the bastards grind you down.". | Dec 04 18:33 |
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| MinceR | the form i knew was "illegitimi non carborundum" | Dec 04 18:33 |
| MinceR | (that's canis latinicus too, of course) | Dec 04 18:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Probation is basically a trap. | Dec 04 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's meant to be, at least. | Dec 04 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They get people to agree to it thinking that it'll be a cake walk and then they litter the "contract" with a ton of conditions and bet that you either can't or won't comply with them all, or will manage to get arrested again before the year or two or five is up. | Dec 04 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The probation officer asked why I haven't left the house too much. | Dec 04 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Well, it's kind of hard for anything to happen that violates probation if I'm not even leaving the house too much.". | Dec 04 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "License plate scanner tells a cop I'm on probation, so he decides to screw around with me and give me a ticket for going 2 mph over. That sort of thing.". | Dec 04 18:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's like, "You really have a dim view of law enforcement.". I said, "No, I just happen to know for a fact that that's how a lot of them are.". | Dec 04 18:38 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I didn't tell them I'm borrowing mom's car. | Dec 04 18:39 |
| MinceR | so, did they convict you of crimethink regarding law enforcement? | Dec 04 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They didn't ask. | Dec 04 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ever since the Kia went back, they don't have me as a probationer next to a license plate number in the state computer. | Dec 04 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Disorderly Conduct. | Dec 04 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's basically whatever the state wants it to mean.. | Dec 04 18:40 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 04 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I took a plea deal to Disorderly Conduct to make two Aggravated Assault charges go away. | Dec 04 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Everyone knows that the court system is rigged. | Dec 04 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | China has a higher conviction rate, but only slightly. | Dec 04 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The general public is way too dumb to be on a jury, and if a few aren't, the state disqualifies them way before the trial starts. | Dec 04 18:42 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/eg0Ae2C.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/PDiUWkS ) | Dec 04 18:52 |
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| Hail_Spacecake | so I found out about this place from the article on hn about rms a while ago | Dec 04 19:08 |
| Hail_Spacecake | seems like techrights is a general free software advocacy site? | Dec 04 19:08 |
| MinceR | yeah | Dec 04 19:08 |
| MinceR | but not exclusively | Dec 04 19:09 |
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| XRevan86 | https://xkcd.com/2237 | Dec 04 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: AI Hiring Algorithm | Dec 04 19:13 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19101161 | Dec 04 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 04 19:21 | |
| schestowitz | Hail_Spacecake: it's a bunch of strands | Dec 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | usually around Software Freedom hence software patents as well | Dec 04 19:26 |
| MinceR | it's a series of tubes | Dec 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | she told the gynecologist | Dec 04 19:28 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 04 19:28 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/641959.gif | Dec 04 20:33 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Technically incorrect, proper theories don't support bullshit | Dec 04 20:34 |
| XRevan86 | * in loony fantasies | Dec 04 20:34 |
| oiaohm | https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3kxx8b/the-curse-of-oudated-drm-claims-another-victim-tron | Dec 04 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Curse of Outdated DRM Claims Another Victim, 'Tron: Evolution' - VICE | Dec 04 20:37 | |
| MinceR | it's a bullshit theory | Dec 04 20:38 |
| MinceR | what else is new? | Dec 04 20:38 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Talks and Events: Linux Vendor Firmware Service at OSFC, GNOME.Asia Summit 2019 and Laura Czajkowski on Booths http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131297 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a0bb9b88-17f3-4f1d-a845-365cd239a0a8] | Dec 04 20:39 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131298 [https://pleroma.site/objects/232bc459-b3ea-4b4c-93ff-007892dbbb53] | Dec 04 20:51 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Attacks, Openwashing, and Assimilation Tactics http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131299 [https://pleroma.site/objects/11fa574f-a292-440b-af45-fc8bade87291] | Dec 04 21:08 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19100931 | Dec 04 21:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 04 21:28 | |
| schestowitz | #microsoft defending #extortion and #blackmail against #gnu #linux like... https://twitter.com/richturn_ms/status/1202338733464289280 | Dec 04 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@richturn_ms: @schestowitz @stautistic If someone violates a patent, the patent owner has recourse. If you have issues with paten… https://t.co/wddyI7XsUs | Dec 04 21:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/richturn_ms/status/1202338998170947584 | Dec 04 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@richturn_ms: @stautistic @schestowitz We've actually been discussing this recently - let me revisit with the team once we're all… https://t.co/Ye3MwWeQbH | Dec 04 21:32 | |
| schestowitz | "We've actually been discussing this recently - let me revisit with the team once we're all back in the office after Xmas and we'll se what we can do about sharing this info. Totally agree that it'd be v. interesting and potentially useful to many outside Redmond too." | Dec 04 21:32 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 4/12/2019: Tails 4.1, UCS 4.4-3 and Proxmox VE 6.1 http://techrights.org/2019/12/04/tails-4-1/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/a90ffffe-1b78-408b-85ed-49c25c2a524f] | Dec 04 21:34 | |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/641888.jpg | Dec 04 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And then we told them....."ASK DISNEY FOR A REFUND!!!". | Dec 04 22:26 |
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| psydroid | oh wow | Dec 04 22:40 |
| psydroid | I am so looking forward to weaselconf | Dec 04 22:41 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/641779.jpg | Dec 04 22:53 |
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