●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, December 04, 2020 ●● ● Dec 04 [00:02] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:03] psydroid https://lowendmac.com/2020/dear-apple-your-services-are-no-longer-required/ (guy got fired by Apple for helping a friend in his own time) [00:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lowendmac.com | Dear Apple: Your Services Are No Longer Required. | Low End Mac [00:04] schestowitz cults rae like that [00:04] schestowitz he should fire an apple [00:10] psydroid of course these kinds of things are generally kept out of the media, just like all the things going on at the other big tech corps(es) [00:11] schestowitz the media is owned by them [00:11] schestowitz see epo news blackout [00:11] schestowitz only us covering epo corruptipn [00:11] schestowitz why? [00:13] psydroid you know I live barely half an hour away from the epo location and I pass it once in a while when using public transport [00:13] psydroid but of course you wouldn't hear anything about what is going on there [00:16] DaemonFC[m] You can't say blackout. [00:16] DaemonFC[m] Also, you can't say white out, either in reference to the correction fluid or the weather condition. [00:16] DaemonFC[m] It makes mjg59a saaaaad panda. [00:16] schestowitz whiteout [00:16] schestowitz i saw everything white [00:17] schestowitz and passed out [00:17] DaemonFC[m] I wonder how he feels about redskin potatoes. [00:17] DaemonFC[m] What we need to call those. [00:17] psydroid This is the only critical article I can find and its from 5 years ago [00:18] DaemonFC[m] If we had to stop using the term "tea plantation", that's not far off. [00:18] MinceR denyout, allowout [00:18] MinceR Deny Lives Matter [00:18] schestowitz that's totally not confusing [00:18] schestowitz let me check my thesaurus [00:18] psydroid https://www.volkskrant.nl/economie/baas-van-europese-octrooiorganisatie-voert-schrikbewind~bc900104/ [00:18] schestowitz by IBM, VMware etc. [00:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myprivacy.dpgmedia.nl | DPG Media Privacy Gate [00:20] psydroid I saw a tube of fluoride toothpaste and I totally abused it [00:20] schestowitz what a bunch of a-holes we are [00:20] schestowitz those companies try to do something good [00:20] schestowitz while doing lots of evil [00:20] schestowitz and we ridicule them [00:21] schestowitz they're totally not trolling us [00:21] schestowitz and introducing bugs in our code [00:21] schestowitz oh crap [00:21] schestowitz that's offensive to bugs [00:21] schestowitz defects I meant [00:21] schestowitz like "slave" "defects" in the code [00:21] schestowitz not "slave bugs" [00:21] schestowitz the defect is the variable name [00:21] schestowitz that external programs rely on to remain as is [00:22] MinceR don't you mean "improvement opportunities"? [00:22] schestowitz even programs made by people who are now literally dead [00:22] schestowitz and programming manuals [00:22] schestowitz MinceR: yeah [00:22] schestowitz Intel has many improvements to make [00:22] schestowitz like, it would be an improvement when processors don't turn into bricks [00:23] schestowitz "Thank you, Sage Shape" [00:23] schestowitz *Shrap [00:23] MinceR or when computers do what their owners want them to do [00:23] schestowitz *Sharp [00:23] schestowitz "Many improvement opportunities in your USB drivers" [00:23] schestowitz Like... changing the name in the header [00:23] schestowitz because it keeps changing [00:25] schestowitz ICYMI: https://sfconservancy.org/news/2020/dec/02/sharp-newest-employee/ [00:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org | Sage Sharp joins Conservancy as Senior Director of Diversity & Inclusion focusing on Outreachy - Software Freedom Conservancy [00:26] schestowitz SFC is not tech activism anymore http://techrights.org/2020/11/29/outreachy-explained-by-minority-female/ [00:26] MinceR RIP, software freedom conservancy [00:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Sincere Thoughts About Outreachy | Techrights [00:26] *tessier (~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco) has joined #techrights [00:27] psydroid I've been thinking that writing clean-room AGPLv3 reimplementations of GNU/Linux (targetting only modern hardware) could be a way out of this mess, so no one has to be held accountable nor forced to chase whatever Red Hat, Canonical, GIAFAM and frenemies are doing [00:36] search_social 0BSD all the way baby [00:36] MinceR 0? [00:36] search_social idk how many you want [00:39] MinceR well, i'd like at least 1 [00:45] schestowitz Can you spot typos here? http://techrights.org/2020/12/03/lf-fakes-it/ [00:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Trolls Its Critics by Forging Metadata in Its Annual Report | Techrights [00:50] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights ● Dec 04 [01:00] *swaggboi has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [01:01] MinceR i can't spot any typos, but i'm not sure if "O/S" is correct and perhaps "shows this to be a clear case of metadata tampering" could be clearer [01:03] DaemonFC[m] +215,715 [01:06] DaemonFC[m] https://www.wsj.com/articles/there-isnt-a-coronavirus-second-wave-11592327890 [01:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-There Isnt a Coronavirus Second Wave - WSJ [01:06] DaemonFC[m] But that was all of before the election ago, so you know.... [01:12] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [01:21] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/alyssa-farah-resignation-white-house/index.html [01:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alyssa Farah resigns as White House communications director - CNNPolitics [01:31] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/ndaa-trump-germany-troop-cuts/index.html [01:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Congress moves to block Trump's Germany troop cuts in defense bill - CNNPolitics [01:47] DaemonFC[m] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55173605 [01:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Namibia: Man named after Adolf Hitler wins local election - BBC News ● Dec 04 [02:25] *KREYREN (~kreyren@fsf/member/kreyren) has joined #techrights [02:25] KREYREN What's this channel about~ [02:44] gry digital freedoms over the globe [02:58] *skipshooter (~markie@62.182.99.124) has joined #techrights ● Dec 04 [03:05] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [03:11] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [03:16] XRevan86 https://dumskaya.net/news/odessa-lenin-vader-051649 2015, how did I miss that [03:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dumskaya.net | ??????? ???: ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? | ???? ??? [03:40] KREYREN gry, does that include hardware~ [03:40] *KREYREN figured out the hard way that fsf's RYF sucks~ [03:41] gry from the sound of it, yes, it does [03:44] MinceR it does, increasingly [03:44] KREYREN o.o [03:54] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/4ubkhWo.jpg [03:55] MinceR (cat) https://i.imgur.com/4ubkhWo.jpg [03:57] XRevan86 MinceR: Oh boy, if it can reproduce then lions and tigers are not actually separate species %). ● Dec 04 [04:00] MinceR it gets more complicated than that [04:00] MinceR whether the offspring can reproduce also matters [04:01] MinceR and there are even continua [04:01] MinceR where neighboring variants can interbreed but the ones from the two edges can't [04:01] XRevan86 MinceR: That's what I mean. ● Dec 04 [05:23] oiaohm DaemonFC[m]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102816/coronavirus-covid19-cases-number-us-americans-by-day/ I was thinking that covid-19 one way off on numbers then I noticed it june. [05:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- U.S. COVID-19 new cases by day | Statista [05:26] DaemonFC[m] Ligers are sterile, iirc. [05:29] DaemonFC[m] Oh, it's just the males that are sterile, according to Wikipedia. ● Dec 04 [06:36] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● Dec 04 [07:01] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [07:04] *inky (~inky@178.78.149.229) has joined #techrights [07:13] schestowitz [01:01] i can't spot any typos, but i'm not sure if "O/S" is correct and perhaps "shows this to be a clear case of metadata tampering" could be clearer [07:13] schestowitz Yeah, I wondered the same [07:13] schestowitz I updated the post with a linl [07:13] schestowitz turns out they also show a Mac at the front page! [07:13] schestowitz Daniel Lange looked deeper into it [07:14] schestowitz [05:29] Oh, it's just the males that are sterile, according to Wikipedia. [07:14] schestowitz We have one in Manchester Museum [07:14] schestowitz forgot his/her name [07:14] schestowitz In Chester Zoo they mixes Asian and African elephants [07:15] schestowitz died an infant, 10 days [07:15] schestowitz humans experiment on things... nice 'species' [07:32] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Dec 04 [08:13] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: May we live long and die out | http://vhemt.org/) [08:25] *notanamber (~luca@host-79-6-210-200.business.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights [08:55] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [08:56] *psymin_ (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [08:57] *psymin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [08:58] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [08:59] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) ● Dec 04 [09:20] *inky (~inky@178.78.149.229) has joined #techrights [09:20] schestowitz Ariadne: do you know href by his real name? [09:20] schestowitz or, might you have a contact email for him? [09:21] schestowitz I wish to still think the sites (.fr and pleroma.site) can come back [09:50] psydroid https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/27/microsoft-msft-earnings-q1-2021.html [09:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Microsoft (MSFT) earnings Q1 2021 [09:50] psydroid is this purely financial engineering? [09:53] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_-_Financials [09:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft - Financials - Techrights [09:53] schestowitz they have been doing it for decades [09:53] schestowitz while bribing whisleblowers [09:57] psydroid and what about Bill Gates still pulling the strings after "retiring" from the board? [09:57] schestowitz lol [09:57] schestowitz it's his 'baby' [09:57] schestowitz he can control it by proxy [09:57] psydroid it looks like their shills have invented a whole narrative to make MS look good [09:58] psydroid they probably invest more in that than in their actual products ● Dec 04 [10:04] schestowitz yeah [10:04] schestowitz it's a waste of time [10:14] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/03/geany/#comments [10:15] schestowitz ": [10:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nobody Needs to Write a Text Editor (or Use Geany) | Techrights [10:15] schestowitz Oh, for the love of... [10:15] schestowitz Not Geany man! It's a fantastic editor! It worked marvelously on my pentium 3 about 14 years ago, and it's still my editor of choice over anything else that came after. I use it for everything! [10:15] schestowitz And why the hell does that guy on the picture have so many Beowulf stuff!? Am I missing a meme here? [10:15] schestowitz Whatever, this "it touches github" thing is getting out of hand fast. [10:15] schestowitz And about the issue of not doing your own, the very "NIH syndrome" is part of that. Is a mix of stuff, context related. I don't believe it means "screw your liberty", but it's about that thing of reinventing the wheel. [10:15] schestowitz I like to reinvent the wheel, thank you. What I don't like is HAVING SOME DUDE ON INTERNET TELLING ME NOT TO USE GEANY. SERIOUSLY DUDE... IT'S F$%&$ING GEANY. [10:15] schestowitz " [10:27] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/law-enforcement-purchasing-commercially-available-geolocation-data [10:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Law Enforcement Purchasing Commercially-Available Geolocation Data is Unconstitutional | Electronic Frontier Foundation [10:27] schestowitz https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/governor-cuomo-keep-police-and-ice-away-our-contact-tracing-data [10:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Governor Cuomo: Keep Police and ICE Away from Our Contact Tracing Data | Electronic Frontier Foundation [10:41] psydroid this shill also says he's a Mac-fanboy, which could mean 2 things: 1) he's lying in a desperate attempt to get some credibility 2) Apple is in bed with Microsoft (obviously), so Mac users and developers would rather side with proprietary software giants their platform doesn't actually have much in common with in a technical sense, but does in a business sense [10:43] schestowitz I'd not waste time on it [10:43] schestowitz we have better ways to approach advocacy [10:43] schestowitz and feeding these idiots is bad use of time [10:44] schestowitz hence, I'd rather talk about skulduggery inside our community [10:44] psydroid yes, I know [10:44] schestowitz e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/12/04/sfc-not-about-freedom/ [10:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is Not About Freedom | Techrights [10:44] schestowitz this is what we need ro focus on [10:44] schestowitz and Apple fanboy Zemlin [10:44] psydroid I'm just trying to understand what we're up against [10:44] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/03/lf-fakes-it/ [10:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Trolls Its Critics by Forging Metadata in Its Annual Report (Updated) | Techrights [10:44] schestowitz because they actively invade our space, too [10:44] schestowitz don't get me wong... [10:44] schestowitz *wrong [10:45] psydroid because the actual issues are getting muddled because of this obfuscation on the surface [10:45] schestowitz I used to do the same as above, responding to Microsoft lies [10:45] schestowitz but the downside it, that gives them more visibility [10:45] schestowitz so I stopped about a decade ago [10:45] schestowitz we watched Microsoft closely until around 2010 or 2011 [10:45] schestowitz also gates [10:45] schestowitz mentioning him can help him [10:45] psydroid and what worries me more is that they learn from our refutations and invent an even better false narrative [10:46] schestowitz https://www.thenation.com/article/society/gates-covid-data-ihme/ [10:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Are Bill Gatess Billions Distorting Public Health Data? | The Nation [10:46] psydroid so maybe it's better to keep them in the dark while executing our strategy [10:46] schestowitz they waste out energy [10:46] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop [10:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Gish gallop - Wikipedia [10:46] schestowitz *our energy [10:46] schestowitz I could use help, as I said [10:46] schestowitz esp. working on PDFs we release [10:46] schestowitz like converting them to HTML [10:46] schestowitz so we can tackle UPC, swpats etc. [10:47] schestowitz there's no lack of "projects" [10:47] schestowitz or reporting assignments [10:47] schestowitz but we have here people who waste time on reddit [10:47] schestowitz and other crap [10:47] schestowitz as if that's the way to progress things [10:47] schestowitz feeding the same sites which hold us back and censor su [10:48] schestowitz *us [10:48] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/ [10:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights [10:48] schestowitz They're literally working for Microsoft [10:48] schestowitz so participating in them gives them value [10:50] *genr8_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [10:56] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [10:58] *inky (~inky@46.241.138.99) has joined #techrights ● Dec 04 [11:04] schestowitz (btw:) [11:05] schestowitz (if anyone reading this want to help with EPO leaks/document releases, tell us here or email/other) [11:52] *genr8_ (~genr8_@unaffiliated/genbtc) has joined #techrights ● Dec 04 [12:26] *psydread (eace4d91cc@2a01:7c8:aab8:6b9:5054:ff:fec9:fd84) has joined #techrights [12:31] *obarun has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:35] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights ● Dec 04 [13:25] smnthermes > [07:15:01] TechrightsBot-tr: [notice] techrights.org | Nobody Needs to Write a Text Editor (or Use Geany) | Techrights [13:25] smnthermes What's the problem with Guix? [13:26] smnthermes Aside from using GitHub [13:29] smnthermes Or Harfbuzz [13:31] *psydread has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [13:32] smnthermes problem with Harfbuzz* ● Dec 04 [14:07] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [14:13] vZS1 psydroid: current go-ipfs implementation will run on a device with 1GB RAM just fine. [14:15] vZS1 go-ipfs usually sits around 600MB RAM when doing its node things. [14:15] vZS1 If you are strapped for RAM, use swap space. [14:15] vZS1 A cheap USB stick will do for some plug-in swap. [14:18] vZS1 I've compiled things that need over 2GB RAM on the Pi 3b+ which only has 1GB RAM. I just allocated swap from the memory card. [14:33] oiaohm vZS1: swap on memory cards don't generally work out long term healthy. [14:38] *psymin_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) [14:45] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20081246 [14:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4820464) ● Dec 04 [15:08] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:09] *vZS1 has quit (Quit: Quit) [15:15] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [15:42] smnthermes Speaking of GTK, there's a fork of GTK 2: https://github.com/thesquash/stlwrt [15:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - thesquash/stlwrt: A library which emulates many versions of GTK and visually resembles GTK+ 2 [15:48] MinceR nice [15:48] MinceR too bad it's on microsoft shithub [15:52] superkuh It's really the only option. [15:52] superkuh Gitlab doesn't even show text unless you execute their javascript. [15:53] MinceR i'll take javascript over microshit control any day [15:53] MinceR especially considering that it still works with git [15:53] MinceR also, there's gogs and gitea ● Dec 04 [16:08] superkuh If you just want git then there's innumberable options. The point of github/gitlab is the social networking. [16:10] MinceR i thought the point was the gratis public hosting [16:22] *notanamber has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [16:32] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [16:34] vZS1 > It's really the only option. [16:35] vZS1 And the ignore list grows! [16:35] vZS1 They make it so easy :D [16:37] schestowitz vZS1: hoho, hihi, wb, vZS1 [16:39] MinceR :) [16:40] schestowitz vi comment close bracket [16:40] MinceR :> [16:41] schestowitz vZS1: I could now answer this: [16:41] schestowitz 15:43] I redirects ipfs.io links to your local IPFS server. [16:41] schestowitz [15:43] And probably other links. [16:42] schestowitz [15:43] But it also uses ipfs.io if it disconnects from the server; I haven't found a setting to disable that. [16:42] schestowitz [15:44] (maybe I confused something there) [16:42] schestowitz [15:45] so you want those to be hard links to that domain? [16:42] schestowitz [15:45] what if that domains goes down a decade later or less? [16:42] schestowitz [15:45] ipns://$cid_or_fqdn [16:42] schestowitz [15:45] ipfs://$cid [16:42] schestowitz [15:45] dweb:/ipfs/$cid [16:42] schestowitz [15:46] dweb:/ipns/$cid_or_fqdn [16:42] schestowitz [15:46] from https://github.com/ipfs-shipyard/ipfs-companion [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - ipfs-shipyard/ipfs-companion: Browser extension that simplifies access to IPFS resources on the web [16:42] schestowitz [15:46] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- GitHub - ipfs-shipyard/ipfs-companion: Browser extension that simplifies access to IPFS resources on the web [16:42] schestowitz [15:47] Ah, there is a setting "Redirect failed HTTP requests for IPFS resources to the public gateway." [16:42] schestowitz [15:39] Hi schestowitz. If I understand correctly, the browser extension IPFS Companion redirects some IPFS links to the local IPFS server. So it would be good if you format the CIDs as links. [16:42] schestowitz [15:40] It says "Support content-addressed IPFS paths (/ipfs/) and URIs (ipfs://) in your browser, and redirect them to the gateway of your choice" [16:42] schestowitz [15:40] It redirects https://ipfs.io/ipfs/ [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://ipfs.io/ipfs/ schestowitz: vZS1: hoho, hihi, wb, vZS1 [16:45] vZS1 Ty! [16:45] vZS1 I just wanted to check up and let you know I'm still alive [16:46] vZS1 Don't rely on the HTTP gateways too much [16:47] vZS1 I saw your recommendation in the logs. Basically the same from me. Get a real IPFS client :D [16:48] schestowitz yes, good to see you too check logs [16:48] schestowitz you can also search them [16:48] schestowitz last week we linked the html to text versions [16:51] vZS1 I'm still lurking around, dw. [16:54] schestowitz pleroma.site died [16:54] schestowitz for 5 days now [16:55] schestowitz I hope it'll come back [16:55] schestowitz viera relies on it and it's my only presence in fediverse [16:57] schestowitz Richard Stallman was right about all those sites [16:57] schestowitz nothing like self-hosting short new picks too [16:57] schestowitz identi.ca was my first [16:57] schestowitz tmanco dragged me there [16:57] vZS1 Federated networks are really a bunch of BS [16:57] schestowitz and now it's virtually gone with pump.io [16:57] schestowitz and all the links are broken [16:57] schestowitz with their "link shortener" offline [16:57] vZS1 Look at your Pi node. You never lose control of it [16:58] schestowitz For now I started self-hosting [16:58] vZS1 Costs you a staggering <100! [16:58] schestowitz at least copies of all the posts [16:58] vZS1 How are we ever going to afford this! [16:59] vZS1 Call AWS [16:59] vZS1 We need the emergency clown [16:59] schestowitz lokl [16:59] schestowitz lol [16:59] schestowitz the jester will entertain the needs ● Dec 04 [17:00] schestowitz at $4 a month [17:00] schestowitz for 10 years [17:00] schestowitz oh, wait, you could buy two laptops for that price [17:03] vZS1 More if you buy second hand [17:04] schestowitz I do [17:04] schestowitz very good value [17:04] schestowitz just need to check the basics at the store [17:05] schestowitz integrity, condition, age [17:05] vZS1 Yep [17:05] schestowitz a bit risky, but they have warranty [17:05] schestowitz 2 weeks, 6 months [17:05] schestowitz for different types of issues [17:05] schestowitz so far we were always happy [17:07] vZS1 The average Joe Bloggs won't sell a shitty laptop either [17:07] vZS1 Because it affects their rep [17:09] schestowitz this helps reduce waste [17:09] schestowitz if those have windows, you don't pay for it and have the satisfaction of wiping it right away [17:10] schestowitz machine rescued [17:10] schestowitz after windows likely churned away at the drive for years [17:10] schestowitz hard to find No-OS refurbs [17:10] schestowitz No Windows tax at least [17:11] schestowitz I think it's some shop bulk licence that's dirt-cheap [17:15] psydroid vZS1, my Orange Pi Win Plus has 2 GB, so that should definitely not be a problem [17:15] psydroid I bought 2 of them back in 2017 and gave one to a friend so we could both get more experienced with this rather low-end hardware [17:15] psydroid So definitely in the future when I will order a few of the same but much more powerful type (with Rockchip K3566/RK3588, Allwinner A200 etc.), I will use one as an IPFS node while experimenting with the other ones [17:18] schestowitz do you pin our site? [17:18] vZS1 schestowitz: that's what I did with the second hand laptop I got for my dad [17:18] vZS1 KDE Plasma on it [17:18] vZS1 He loves KDE Plasma [17:19] schestowitz it's solid since I've adopted the latest [17:19] schestowitz I left KDE for a few years [17:19] schestowitz moved to openbox [17:19] schestowitz mainly due to low Ram [17:20] schestowitz Ariadne says she struggles with kwin [17:20] vZS1 I don't notice much RAM usage. The laptop has 4GB and it runs KDE Plasma without breaking a sweat. [17:20] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/2007201 [17:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4767896) [17:21] schestowitz vZS1: that laptop has 2gb [17:21] schestowitz and running loads of things [17:23] vZS1 psydroid: I highly recommend using a SoC for a sever. I've stepped on most of the landmines myself so feel free to ask any questions. [17:25] vZS1 Filesystem corruption is the first one you're likely to come across. They don't play nice on shutdown a lot. Just mount root fs as read-only. That's usually tip #1 [17:25] psydroid VZS1, I agree with you and to be honest I am not really looking at x86 hardware for such purposes at the moment. In case I really need more compute I could always get something like a Honeycomb LX2K with the added advantage of having almost fully open firmware and software stacks [17:25] DaemonFC[m] I wasn't going to go with less than 16 GB. [17:26] DaemonFC[m] Some of these distributions are talking about no swapfile at all if you have 16 GB of RAM. [17:26] MinceR :> [17:26] DaemonFC[m] Or do one on a compressed ramdisk. [17:26] DaemonFC[m] zstandard is lightweight enough to handle that. [17:27] vZS1 No swap no bueno [17:27] DaemonFC[m] The easiest way to think about zstandard is like DEFLATE on steroids as far as it being several times faster. [17:28] vZS1 Yeah no. I'm not surrendering my swap space in this lifetime [17:29] Ariadne my struggles have to do with kwin being buggy, not ram use [17:29] DaemonFC[m] kwin isn't especially buggy. [17:29] DaemonFC[m] It's certainly not a disaster on the scale of Mutter, but that's not saying much. [17:30] vZS1 16GB is also not an affordable amount of RAM today [17:30] DaemonFC[m] Certainly few that work on GNOME actually believe in it or use it themselves. [17:30] vZS1 So that's another hard pass [17:30] DaemonFC[m] It's just a job, which explains why they don't care much for profiling it and working out all of the P1 bugs, much less all of the papercuts. [17:31] DaemonFC[m] So before Canonical became interested in it, it was much much worse. [17:31] MinceR the last time i used kwin, it _was_ extremely buggy [17:31] DaemonFC[m] Because all of those Red Hat people clocked in and clocked out and did the bare minimum and then went back to Mac OS for their personal use. [17:31] MinceR things like garbage on the window decorations if compositing was turned off [17:31] MinceR and the root window was just black if compositing was turned on and plasma wasn't running [17:32] vZS1 People trying to use hardware without swap space. Tells me exactly how good they are at system design. [17:32] DaemonFC[m] The only thing Red Hat really contributes to the bug hunt, it seems, is getting out of the way and accepting patches if someone else writes one. [17:32] *skipshooter has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [17:32] MinceR that's better than what they did to GNU/Linux [17:32] DaemonFC[m] Also better than Wayland. [17:32] DaemonFC[m] Canonical doesn't seem interested in fixing up Wayland. [17:33] DaemonFC[m] They must figure on running X11 until the wheels fall off, as it were. [17:33] MinceR pretending it's perfect the way it is is the "modern" way [17:33] MinceR so don't expect waylandows to be fixed, ever [17:33] vZS1 Wayland [17:33] vZS1 Another pile of trash (: [17:34] vZS1 More bugs than a Timone and Pumba scene [17:34] DaemonFC[m] Oftentimes, something inelegant gets the job done well enough that you don't bother investing more resources. [17:34] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Like shoes. I used to say oh I'll never wear shoes from Walmart and just cough up $60-70 a pair, then I realized I was paying 3 time as much and they weren't holding up a lot better. [17:35] MinceR if removing functionality makes something inelegant then my solution of writing the opcodes for "cli; hlt" into the boot record beats waylandows easily [17:35] DaemonFC[m] It's an 80/20 problem. [17:35] DaemonFC[m] Well, part of the reason I migrated to KDE is that GNOME and especially Mutter are disasters in their own right. [17:36] DaemonFC[m] And they work a little better on X11, but Red Hat "strongly discourages" that and it will not be too long before Canonical joins them in just dropping it entirely regardless of whether Wayland is working for those cases where it hasn't to date. [17:37] DaemonFC[m] Consider that Google has never supported Wayland on Android or Chrome OS. [17:37] DaemonFC[m] They pressed right ahead with Ozone on Chrome OS. [17:37] MinceR what a coincidence, the reason i migrated to fvwm was that kde, gnome and xfce were disasters :> [17:38] DaemonFC[m] Well, with most of the minor desktops rushing to support Wayland, even if it's just by proxy, tells us something. [17:38] DaemonFC[m] Nobody thinks X has a future, and certainly not anybody with the ability to keep maintaining it. [17:38] DaemonFC[m] I think we're at the point where it will get security patches because they need it in XWayland and not much else. [17:38] vZS1 X has a very bright future [17:39] vZS1 Everyone that doesn't fall for marketing gimmicks will keep using it [17:39] DaemonFC[m] It puts "maximum pressure" on people to give up and do what Red Hat wants. [17:39] MinceR all it lacks are developers [17:39] MinceR its current developers don't understand its concept [17:39] MinceR hence, wayland [17:39] vZS1 A lot of people run patched X11 [17:41] vZS1 They just don't go and write shitty Medium articles about it to look like an "open source dev" :D [17:41] oiaohm DaemonFC[m]: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform2/+/HEAD/vm_tools/sommelier/README.md Chrome OS not having Wayland is not exactly true. [17:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chromium.googlesource.com | Chromium OS Platform - Sommelier - Nested Wayland compositor with support for X11 forwarding [17:41] vZS1 All the base code is there [17:41] vZS1 There's a lot of documentation [17:42] vZS1 The design is clearly laid out [17:44] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20081210 [17:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4819402) [17:46] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Someone who worked at the health department asked me why I said I'd never cooperate with them on contact tracing. [17:47] DaemonFC[m] I said, "Well, with all the lists of information that people have given to governments over the years that later regimes found useful, no thanks. The Nazis found the Census records of other countries very interesting when they came pouring over the border. The US government has spent decades now developing 'special lists' for people and it's not even clear how they ended up on those lists. Maybe if they wanted us to [17:47] DaemonFC[m] trust them, they wouldn't have done that.". [17:48] DaemonFC[m] "Saying oh we do nasty stuff with all the information we get, and by the way here's another list that requires your cooperation is maybe why your program isn't going so well." [17:56] DaemonFC[m] The US has been losing more jobs than are being created every week since the end of March. [17:56] DaemonFC[m] CNN fails to hold the current regime accountable for that. [17:56] DaemonFC[m] They need to show that this was an ongoing and huge mess well before Biden won the election, much less was inaugurated, but they can't because if you scare people too much, they clamp up and quite buying things even if they can right now. ● Dec 04 [18:07] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20081145 [18:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4817789) [18:11] vZS1 All these German sites [18:11] vZS1 MinceR: seen some pr0gramm before [18:11] vZS1 Funny memes [18:14] schestowitz [17:34] More bugs than a Timone and Pumba scene [18:14] schestowitz LOL [18:15] schestowitz [17:41] They just don't go and write shitty Medium articles about it to look like an "open source dev" :D [18:15] schestowitz If those are scare quotes, they belong around "article" [18:16] schestowitz so-called dev who outsource their text to such malicious companies, for a 'blog' that still looks crap [18:16] schestowitz and won't outlive in uptime its relevance... because we all know those companies shut everything down if/when there's "no money in it" [18:16] *mmu_man has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [18:20] *KREYREN has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:22] *KREYREN (~kreyren@fsf/member/kreyren) has joined #techrights [18:23] vZS1 schestowitz: add quotes to both [18:27] vZS1 There's also https://xcb.freedesktop.org [18:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xcb.freedesktop.org | xcb [18:28] vZS1 No Shithub [18:28] vZS1 Good old Git and bugzilla [18:28] schestowitz does bugzilla have "the apppppp"? [18:30] MinceR bugzilla ftw [18:30] MinceR the only decent bug tracker i've ever used [18:30] MinceR the only one that doesn't lose information if my login expires while i'm doing something [18:30] MinceR the only one that doesn't lose information if 2 users make changes to the same ticket at the same time [18:31] schestowitz lol [18:31] schestowitz which ones fail at this? [18:31] schestowitz btw, I installed bugzilla, very easy [18:31] MinceR jira, versionone, clearquest [18:31] vZS1 It's also very lightweight [18:31] vZS1 Make sure you have the source [18:31] schestowitz also considered installing one instance for techrights, but our todo list is short, so it's overkill [18:31] MinceR i don't remember any others [18:31] vZS1 Because Mozilla will trash bugzilla eventually [18:32] vZS1 As has become their MO [18:32] schestowitz they move to matrix [18:32] MinceR yeah [18:32] schestowitz from irc [18:32] schestowitz but they considered even worse things [18:32] schestowitz so matrix isn't as bad as it could be [18:32] schestowitz they still use shithub a lot [18:32] schestowitz even for spying code [18:33] vZS1 Shh [18:33] vZS1 You mean [18:33] vZS1 Metrics [18:33] vZS1 And [18:33] vZS1 Telemetry [18:33] MinceR :> [18:35] vZS1 Wait wut [18:35] vZS1 Freedesktop moved to ShitLab [18:35] vZS1 The old bugs are still on bugzilla [18:35] vZS1 When did that happen [18:36] MinceR old bugs don't matter, as they're on the CADT development model anyway [18:36] MinceR does bugzilla have a public repository somewhere? [18:37] vZS1 Let me check [18:37] vZS1 LOL [18:38] vZS1 They're on SHITHUB NOW [18:38] MinceR ah, found it [18:38] vZS1 This is priceless [18:38] vZS1 They = bugzilla [18:38] vZS1 GG Mozilla [18:38] vZS1 Never disappoint [18:38] MinceR justmozillathings [18:39] vZS1 At least the code is still mostly Perl [18:41] vZS1 I've been working on the skeleton of a bug tracker [18:41] vZS1 But I need to learn more Haskell [18:41] MinceR if it's on the web, don't forget to handle login expiration properly if you're doing it at all :> [18:42] MinceR most of these devs just throw it in and their webapp just drops your stuff on the floor when you submit [18:42] MinceR often they can't even pop up a proper error message, it just ends up as some mess in some frame somewhere [18:43] schestowitz [18:39] At least the code is still mostly Perl =>>>>>>>>> Perl - shithub [18:43] schestowitz still working with Liz on ensuring Raku gets out of there [18:43] vZS1 It's still just in my head. Need to work out fundamentals first [18:43] vZS1 Good. Liz is definitely an ally [18:43] schestowitz awareness is growing about shithub [18:43] schestowitz but too few of us do the activism [18:43] schestowitz days ago someone wrote a blog post [18:43] schestowitz i assume in reply to me [18:44] schestowitz about his project being on shithub [18:44] schestowitz some listen, some even move [18:44] schestowitz but not enough, not fast enough [18:44] schestowitz youtube-dl debacle gave us some momentum [18:44] schestowitz ICE debacle also [18:44] schestowitz that's when they spammed the media, with their moles, re "Arctic Vault" [18:44] vZS1 youtube-dl is what we've needed for a long time [18:45] schestowitz To distract from the ICE causing mass resignations and brain drain [18:45] schestowitz not enougfh [18:45] schestowitz we had 2 more since [18:45] vZS1 ICE as well [18:45] schestowitz but the media did not pay attention [18:45] schestowitz two drm/copyright-related takedowns [18:45] schestowitz only one debacle got media attention [18:45] vZS1 "the media" is our enemy [18:45] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/14/drm-loves-centralisation/ [18:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] DRM Loves Wintel/Microsoft/Centralisation/Monopoly | Techrights [18:46] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/29/microsoft-bans-code/ [18:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Removes Free Software From GitHub Again, This Time for Motion Picture Association (MPA) | Techrights [18:46] schestowitz x https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/takeover-accounts-federal-police-to-get-powers-to-tackle-the-dark-web-20201202-p56jt2.html [18:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smh.com.au | Takeover accounts: Federal police to get powers to tackle the dark web [18:46] schestowitz # anti-privacy drivel piggybacked onto the story [18:47] schestowitz I will write later re https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2020/20201204.html [18:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - EPO and CNIPA discuss future co-operation at annual meeting [18:47] schestowitz I need more help from people with epo docs [18:47] schestowitz need people to help with the text [18:47] schestowitz so we can publish more, and >faster<\ [18:51] schestowitz https://slackblogs.blogspot.com/2020/07/thunderbird-78-provides-end-toend.htmk [18:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://slackblogs.blogspot.com/2020/07/thunderbird-78-provides-end-toend.htmk ) [18:51] schestowitz https://slackblogs.blogspot.com/2020/07/thunderbird-78-provides-end-toend.html [18:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slackblogs.blogspot.com | SlackBlogs: Thunderbird 78 Provides End-toEnd Encryption by Default [18:51] vZS1 Do I see Slack? [18:51] schestowitz slackqware [18:51] vZS1 Quackware [18:51] vZS1 [18:52] vZS1 By quacks [18:52] vZS1 For quacks [18:52] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [18:53] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/02/kidnapping-data/ [18:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Espionage With Spyware: Slacks Data Sold to Company That Helps ICE Kidnap Children and Forcibly Sterilise Women | Techrights [18:53] vZS1 schestowitz: you should host an IRC server on your own machine [18:53] vZS1 Get away from freenode. Reduce external dependencies [18:54] schestowitz are you good at managing irc? [18:54] schestowitz server side? [18:54] schestowitz even gnu and fsf use freenode [18:54] vZS1 Haven't tried [18:54] schestowitz so I assume it's no small feat to maintain [18:54] vZS1 I can try though [18:54] schestowitz same for pleroma [18:54] schestowitz esp. upgrades and redundancy [18:55] vZS1 Those are just growing pains for any infra [18:55] schestowitz we did think about it [18:55] schestowitz wikileaks did that [18:55] vZS1 I've not got the time now but I will be running my own next year. I can send you my notes when I make them [18:55] schestowitz but they used that to handle sensitive chats [18:55] schestowitz we use email with pgp for that [18:56] schestowitz finally found, well... have looked for this for over 5 minutes! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/121351 [18:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slack: It Used to Be a GNU/Linux Distro, Now It's Surveillance Capitalism | Tux Machines [18:57] vZS1 They're out to kill every indy GNU/Linux out there [18:57] MinceR on IRC, connectivity issues cause a ton of noise [18:57] MinceR so it had better be a reliable server then [18:58] MinceR also, networks help, but you can't have one if you just run one server [18:58] vZS1 IRC has a lot of noise, in general [18:59] vZS1 But I don't mind noise [18:59] vZS1 If it means I have more control over what I'm using ● Dec 04 [19:02] *KREYREN has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:02] *KREYREN (~kreyren@fsf/member/kreyren) has joined #techrights [19:04] vZS1 Downtime and noise is fine [19:05] vZS1 It smooths out after you've been maintaining the software for a little while [19:05] schestowitz irc is widely supported and light [19:05] schestowitz with many software tools for it, not just clients [19:05] schestowitz like viera [19:06] schestowitz I hope pleroma.site comes back [19:06] vZS1 I mean from an admin perspective [19:06] schestowitz then viera will run again [19:06] schestowitz noise is everywhere [19:06] schestowitz simplicity more important [19:06] schestowitz you can make logs as html, text etc. [19:07] schestowitz I still use todo.txt [19:07] vZS1 ngircd looks pretty good [19:07] schestowitz almost everything I do is text files [19:07] schestowitz so social control media and matrix is bloat and complixity [19:07] schestowitz *plexity [19:08] vZS1 schestowitz: https://ngircd.barton.de [19:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ngircd.barton.de | ngIRCd: Next Generation IRC Daemon [19:08] schestowitz is it distributed? [19:09] vZS1 What do you mean? [19:09] vZS1 It's an IRC daemon [19:11] vZS1 Docs look very clean [19:12] vZS1 https://ngircd.barton.de/documentation.php.en [19:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ngircd.barton.de | Documentation | ngIRCd: Next Generation IRC Daemon [19:12] vZS1 Shithub warning [19:13] schestowitz I meant, [19:13] schestowitz would it run like ipfs? [19:13] schestowitz from multiple points and fallbacks? [19:14] vZS1 No. It's just a normal centralised server [19:14] schestowitz without me having to do ha etc. [19:15] vZS1 You don't really need more than 1 daemons [19:25] schestowitz that might introduce some side issues then [19:25] schestowitz esp. if we're all on holiday [19:25] schestowitz or something breaks [19:25] schestowitz we already have enough software to to maintain on server, laptops, now rapi [19:26] schestowitz there's less than a handful of us [19:30] schestowitz https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/2020-state-of-linux-desktop-today.435538/ [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.guru3d.com | 2020: State of Linux desktop today | guru3D Forums [19:30] schestowitz old stuff cited there [19:48] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/13/40d0e710ffb51115.jpg [19:50] vZS1 Punctuation [19:50] vZS1 Saves lives [19:51] MinceR http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PDm13z2Dabc/UtHzFA9IhqI/AAAAAAAA-M0/fuVl9gT1Cxg/s1600/Screen+Shot+2014-01-11+at+8.42.22+PM.png [19:56] *davisr_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:57] *davisr_ (davisr@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/davisr) has joined #techrights ● Dec 04 [20:00] XRevan86 MinceR: It's legal to own a Christian cat [20:01] MinceR i doubt it's possible for a cat to be christian [20:01] MinceR they're not stupid enough for that [20:20] oiaohm MinceR: its in theory possible to have a Christian cat as in a baptised cat. Boy is that a insane sport of a idea. [20:22] MinceR sprinkling water on a cat isn't going to change the cat's worldview, other than possibly making them more averse to water [20:22] MinceR or making them dislike the human that did it to them [20:22] MinceR (submerging the cat in water is no different) [20:23] *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:24] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights [20:24] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20071820 [20:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4762753) [20:25] oiaohm MinceR: https://www.wauchopegazette.com.au/story/5912157/cat-named-after-pope-is-baptised-in-wauchope/ I was not joking about the idea of a baptised cat. [20:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wauchopegazette.com.au | Cat named after pope is baptised in Wauchope | Wauchope Gazette | Wauchope, NSW [20:26] MinceR i'm not surprised [20:26] oiaohm Level of insanity that really happen. [20:27] oiaohm Its more insane that someone named their cat after the pope. [20:28] MinceR people name cats in all sorts of demeaning ways, unfortunately [20:28] oiaohm My dog names have not been that great. Bouncer and Shadow. [20:29] MinceR shadow isn't bad [20:29] MinceR but dogs don't have dignity anyway [20:29] oiaohm Funny part was there names end up being kind of descriptive. Bouncer was the dog that would look friendly get you in close then trip and pin you. [20:30] oiaohm Shodow would act like the most savage dog you have ever seen but if you got close lick you to death. [20:31] oiaohm What happens when you give fairly bright dogs a full life sized mirror to play with and brush up on their acting skills. [20:52] vZS1 schestowitz: re P2P and "piracy" [20:52] vZS1 Cite YouTube [20:53] vZS1 But it's Google so they could not do anything wrong [20:55] schestowitz A friend sent that to me [20:55] schestowitz very slow news day today [20:55] schestowitz the news that exists is "non-sense" [20:55] schestowitz dross, cruft [20:56] schestowitz pleroma.site now down for nearly 6 days ● Dec 04 [21:01] MinceR (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/13/b1c8715e43ffac52.mp4 [21:05] DaemonFC[m] You can't fix stupid, so it wouldn't matter if Tor was bulletproof. [21:05] DaemonFC[m] If people are running plugins and active content, running downloaded files, etc. then they can absolutely get caught eventually. [21:06] DaemonFC[m] But since "Defender" scans everything that hits the hard drive, then on Windows, what you do on Tor is unmasked automatically. [21:06] DaemonFC[m] No further action needed. [21:07] DaemonFC[m] I filed a bug at one point urging them to discontinue the Windows version and proceed with only versions for Linux and BSD since Windows is backdoored spyware and a user can easily be tricked into running trojan horses that are guaranteed to work. [21:10] DaemonFC[m] I would say that the US is not a free country. Not even close. [21:10] DaemonFC[m] You get into court, and they do say you have a right to a trial, but your odds are about what they would have been in Nazi People's Court. [21:10] DaemonFC[m] So the whole innocent until they prove you guilty just means they can't say where this is going once the proceedings start. [21:11] schestowitz MinceR: maybe the strings are made of cow's tendons [21:11] MinceR :) [21:12] DaemonFC[m] But it's very uncommon for people to beat the charge and leave, and probably the only thing that makes it better than Nazi People's Court is that they won't shoot you and if you spare them the expense of a pretend trial, they may go a little easier on you. [21:12] DaemonFC[m] But this is not what you'd get in a free country. Not at all. [21:12] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: I just call the cops the Guardians or Civil Protection. [21:12] DaemonFC[m] People who liked The Handmaid's Tale or Half Life would get it, right? [21:12] schestowitz +2,023 dead in US so far today with #covid19 ... another 9/11 by day's end? [21:13] DaemonFC[m] It made it clear in the series where the Republic of Gilead got Guardians from. [21:14] MinceR :> [21:14] DaemonFC[m] While the United States was collapsing, the Guardians hadn't gotten their new uniforms yet and they still had their ICE patches on their uniforms. [21:15] DaemonFC[m] Protests erupted and the new government wanted to send a message, so these guys just went out with machine guns and "took care of it" and the people who didn't get shot in the back trying to run away eventually didn't protest anymore. [21:15] oiaohm 2,606 is 9/11 death toll. [21:15] DaemonFC[m] And it was shocking, the parallels of what was going on this summer and where Trump drew those enforcer squads from. [21:15] DaemonFC[m] ICE, mostly. [21:15] DaemonFC[m] Surreal. [21:20] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: It was pretty terrible going through the local People's Court last year. [21:20] DaemonFC[m] The only reason it wasn't worse is that I was mostly just being slapped for coming to their attention at all. [21:20] DaemonFC[m] If they have any real interest in you, you won't be so lucky. [21:21] DaemonFC[m] oiaohm: Most Republicans responded to a survey that any number of lives lost is a reasonable number. [21:22] DaemonFC[m] Until January 20th at noon or until it's them or someone in their own family, to be sure. [21:22] MinceR sounds like people who aren't going to remain "republican" for much longer :> [21:22] DaemonFC[m] Many really are stupid enough to practice what they preach with the limited mitigation options that we do have (masks and hand sanitizer). [21:23] MinceR nvm, i read it the wrong way around [21:23] DaemonFC[m] Taking no action at all to protect themselves. [21:23] MinceR maybe they'll be selected against by nature :> [21:23] DaemonFC[m] You know, I hope. [21:23] DaemonFC[m] Do a shitty thing, get shitty results, and all that. [21:24] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: I hardly see anyone else using hand sanitizer on their cart handles at Walmart. [21:24] DaemonFC[m] They just grab them and go in like nothing's happening. [21:26] MinceR not an issue if they don't touch their faces until they wash/sanitize their hands [21:27] MinceR and even if they do, afaik SARS-CoV-2 was found to be highly unlikely to spread via surfaces even though it seems to persist pretty well on them [21:27] MinceR because there just aren't enough virions to cause an infection that way [21:28] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [21:29] DaemonFC[m] Well, can't hurt to disinfect the cart handles. [21:29] MinceR can't hurt, but it's probably no big deal if you don't [21:29] DaemonFC[m] I just assume that I might touch my face without thinking and hose down the cart handle with hand sanitizer on that assumption. [21:29] oiaohm MinceR: it is a little more complex. [21:30] oiaohm Like if you were cleaning a lot of those surfaces or touching a lot of serices without cleaning you hands you could collect enough to be a problem. [21:31] oiaohm cleaning with not properly cleaning products that is. [21:31] oiaohm as in dusting areas down. [21:31] oiaohm There is need to take some due care. [21:39] vZS1 In reply to fig's latest article. Let's get a better name this time [21:39] vZS1 And call it Freedom-respecting software [21:39] vZS1 So it's harder to co-opt [21:41] vZS1 Just a suggestion [21:43] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:45] *inky (~inky@46.241.138.99) has joined #techrights [21:48] schestowitz vZS1: he will read this [21:48] schestowitz maybe he will choose to do a follow-up article re the name [21:49] schestowitz vZS1: if you know someone good at patent law, let me know [21:49] schestowitz we could use help dealing with article backlog [21:50] schestowitz lots of epo corruption left to expose [21:50] vZS1 Don't know why legal types, sadly [21:50] schestowitz there are not many [21:50] schestowitz except posers [21:50] schestowitz if you know what I mean [21:50] schestowitz ones who charge 300 quid an hour [21:50] vZS1 If I ever come across someone I'll let you know though [21:50] schestowitz to do some basic paperwork and look "professiona: [21:52] schestowitz Groklaw still offline btw [21:52] schestowitz all you find is many articles about how good the site was [21:52] schestowitz re epo it's a missed opportunity as we have lots of material and not enough people to cover it all profoundly [21:53] schestowitz our EPO coverage made it into Private Eye several times [21:53] schestowitz now I just don't know what site to access for news [21:54] schestowitz I keep having this dilemma [21:54] schestowitz almost none I can trust for "general news" [21:54] schestowitz and to now 'rape' the user/visitor via the browser [21:54] schestowitz now, re FOSS [21:54] schestowitz and tech [21:54] schestowitz most of it is PR and spam now [21:54] schestowitz puff pieces and plants disguised as 'reports' and 'reviews' [21:54] schestowitz re legal issues in tech, almost 100% extinct [21:55] schestowitz that used to exist, not anymore ● Dec 04 [22:06] DaemonFC[m] Whenever we have arguments, Mandy turns to whataboutism, usually involving John. [22:06] DaemonFC[m] But so does mom. [22:06] DaemonFC[m] It seems to be a way out for people who are losing an argument and are just trying to piss you off. [22:06] DaemonFC[m] I learned the word for it because it's what Vladimir Putin seems to do all the time when he gets an uncomfortable question and ends up on the spot. [22:08] schestowitz why just Mandy? [22:08] schestowitz everyone does that [22:08] schestowitz maybe John did too [22:08] schestowitz (if you think about it) [22:15] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [22:16] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [22:18] *chovy has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [22:26] *davisr_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:51] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:59] *amreo (52348f97@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.52.143.151) has joined #techrights [22:59] *amreo (52348f97@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.52.143.151) has left #techrights ● Dec 04 [23:00] *amreo_ (~amreo@host-82-52-143-151.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights [23:00] amreo_ Hi! [23:06] schestowitz hi [23:13] *amreo_ has quit (Quit: amreo_) [23:15] *amreo_ (~amreo@host-82-52-143-151.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights [23:50] *Blukunfando has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [23:53] *vZS1 has quit (Quit: Quit) [23:54] DaemonFC[m] I wonder if Clear Linux is worth looking into as a daily driver. [23:55] DaemonFC[m] It's supposed to be really optimized for Intel's latest CPUs and graphics chips, but AMD systems run it okay too. [23:56] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: The US scraped the ceiling yesterday, coming up just short of 3,000 dead from COVID. [23:57] DaemonFC[m] There's certainly no indication from the total currently infected that this is going to slow down, and we're still way too early to see the death figures from the high 100,000s and low 200,000s newly infected. [23:57] DaemonFC[m] So I think we're in for some 4,000+ days in a couple weeks. [23:57] schestowitz "We have seen a sharp upward surge in long-term unemployment (more than 26 weeks), as many of the people who were laid off during the shutdowns" https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/12/03/what-to-look-for-in-the-november-jobs-report/ [23:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What to Look for in the November Jobs Report - CounterPunch.org [23:57] DaemonFC[m] The WSJ gave Mike Pence an op-ed to say there was no reason for alarm and no second wave this summer. [23:58] DaemonFC[m] And that we had it all under control, basically. [23:58] DaemonFC[m] We obviously don't have anything under anything that could be called some degree of control. [23:58] MinceR no, you might as well just run windows