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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hugelol.com | "Zero celsius:Exsists" USA: | Jan 05 02:48 | |
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| rianne | https://opensource.com/article/20/1/beyonce-fans-open-source-community | Jan 05 08:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Beyoncé fans are like the open source community | Opensource.com | Jan 05 08:23 | |
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| rianne | http://lists.otrs.org/pipermail/otrs/2007-October/020685.html | Jan 05 09:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.otrs.org | [otrs] OTRS very slow | Jan 05 09:22 | |
| rianne | "Secondly, what do you expect running Windows? You've started off with a slow, inefficient platform. Fixing it now is like polishing a turd. You will never get to 100%, since you're starting in a hole. PerlWin was never all that efficient, either. | Jan 05 09:22 |
| rianne | Upgrading OTRS isn't going to make a difference. Upgrading the hardware | Jan 05 09:22 |
| rianne | *might* make a difference." | Jan 05 09:22 |
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| oiaohm | rianne: that ICE backlash one Is kind of a breach of "The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose." | Jan 05 10:50 |
| oiaohm | rianne: as in ICE has the right to use open source applications for those horrible usages by the 4 freedoms. | Jan 05 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Maybe we need to rethink the 4 freedoms. | Jan 05 10:51 |
| rianne | What does ICE mean? | Jan 05 10:52 |
| schestowitz | US immigration statsi force | Jan 05 10:52 |
| schestowitz | stasi | Jan 05 10:52 |
| oiaohm | rianne: I clicked on the wrong tab sorry. I was reading https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/01/ice-contract-github-sparks-developer-protests/604339/ that I had opened before and I though I had hit the beyonce-fans one that opened next to it. | Jan 05 10:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | ICE Contract With GitHub Sparks Developer Protests - The Atlantic | Jan 05 10:54 | |
| rianne | ok, no worries. | Jan 05 10:55 |
| oiaohm | rianne: http://xahlee.info/comp/speed_comparison_Linux_Cygwin_NTFS.html with perl your file system choice somethings is a big factor | Jan 05 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xahlee.info | How Fast is Running Perl in Cygwin or Using NTFS on Linux? (The Price You Pay for Layers and Emulations) | Jan 05 10:58 | |
| oiaohm | So not just avoid windows and run Linux avoid low performing Linux file system options as well. | Jan 05 10:59 |
| rianne | oiaoh: thanks, this is interesting. | Jan 05 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Particularly with the cygwin version of perl that you use c:/ and it 1080 seconds where using (/cygdrive/c/). is 55 seconds and those are both the same version of perl on windows. Of course that does not come close to perl on Linux on a good file system hitting 6 seconds. | Jan 05 11:04 |
| oiaohm | Its a hell of a difference just because you did different path option. | Jan 05 11:05 |
| oiaohm | This starts explaining why so much interest in wsl2. | Jan 05 11:08 |
| Hail_Spacecake | oiaohm: any software that has a license that allows the author to prevent an individual or organization from using it if they disagree with the author's political positions is not free | Jan 05 11:42 |
| Hail_Spacecake | the media and certain groups of programmers are talking about this because they hate ICE, ultimately because they hate trump | Jan 05 11:44 |
| Hail_Spacecake | and they're willing to stomp on any other principles that exist in order to fight trump | Jan 05 11:45 |
| Hail_Spacecake | free software advocates should insist firmly on the four freedoms and treat open-source software that has politically-based restrictions on how it can be used as proprietary | Jan 05 11:46 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I thought it was kinda silly when rms got mad at douglas crockford for having a line about "this software must be used for good not evil" in some early javascript thing he wrote | Jan 05 11:47 |
| Hail_Spacecake | but he was right to insist that it made the software non-free | Jan 05 11:48 |
| Hail_Spacecake | people call their political enemies evil even when it doesn't have real consequences about who can use ostensibly-free software | Jan 05 11:48 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeAsInFreedom/comments/ek4b85/dear_fsf_your_fundraiser_memes_are_the_best_ever/ | Jan 05 11:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | "Dear FSF, Your Fundraiser 'Memes' Are The Best Ever — But Image Isn’t Everything" : FreeAsInFreedom | Jan 05 11:49 | |
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| oiaohm | Hail_Spacecake: to be correct most open source licenses has no such clause. | Jan 05 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Hail_Spacecake: https://firstdonoharm.dev/version/1/2/license.html different parties have tried to come up with a license that is kind of restrictive. | Jan 05 12:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstdonoharm.dev | The Hippocratic License: | Jan 05 12:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/1213792189265788929 | Jan 05 12:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: What troubles us most is the degree to which Gates-funded sites have been rewriting the history as recently as a co… https://t.co/a3jxZJOCZT | Jan 05 12:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: What troubles us most is the degree to which Gates-funded sites have been rewriting the history as recently as a co… https://t.co/a3jxZJOCZT | Jan 05 12:39 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 05 12:39 |
| schestowitz | James Robertson Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) | Jan 05 12:39 |
| schestowitz | What troubles us most is the degree to which Gates-funded sites have been rewriting the history as recently as a couple of years back (when the Wikipedia article was last edited). Money buys narrative. | Jan 05 12:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 05 12:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/1213791758120652800 | Jan 05 12:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: And the real reason Kildall did not get the contract was that he was simply too laid back to be a good businessman,… https://t.co/fZM9S9VR0Z | Jan 05 12:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: And the real reason Kildall did not get the contract was that he was simply too laid back to be a good businessman,… https://t.co/fZM9S9VR0Z | Jan 05 12:40 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 05 12:40 |
| schestowitz | James Robertson Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) | Jan 05 12:40 |
| schestowitz | And the real reason Kildall did not get the contract was that he was simply too laid back to be a good businessman, Eubanks told me in 1996. He did not care that much. Dorothy ran the business and he ran the technical side, ... | Jan 05 12:40 |
| schestowitz | It was Gates who had the vision. ... | Jan 05 12:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 05 12:40 |
| Hail_Spacecake | oiaohm: right, it's something that authoritarians like coraline ehmke want to institute | Jan 05 12:55 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I think that actual software freedom advocates should treat software licensed under such licenses as identical to proprietary software | Jan 05 12:56 |
| Hail_Spacecake | "The software may not be used by anyone for systems or activities that actively and knowingly endanger, harm, or otherwise threaten the physical, mental, economic, or general well-being of other individuals or groups, in violation of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights" <- this is an incredibly general statement that allows the copyright holder to decide that arbitrary | Jan 05 12:58 |
| Hail_Spacecake | things any user does with the software | Jan 05 12:58 |
| Hail_Spacecake | count as a violation of this term in some way or another | Jan 05 12:58 |
| oiaohm | Really defining what harm is legally changes. | Jan 05 12:59 |
| oiaohm | So I see those kind of restrictive licenses as possible long term not workable at all. | Jan 05 13:00 |
| Hail_Spacecake | depends on what you mean by "workable" | Jan 05 13:00 |
| oiaohm | As in a proprietary license may be less legal trobule. | Jan 05 13:00 |
| oiaohm | trouble I meant there. | Jan 05 13:00 |
| Hail_Spacecake | the free software movement has been around for years and proprietary software nonetheless exists | Jan 05 13:00 |
| Hail_Spacecake | most of what I care about is that people who would otherwise be inclined to release their software under a free license | Jan 05 13:01 |
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| Hail_Spacecake | instead decide to use one of these anti-freedom licenses becuase they care about some political issue more than software freedom | Jan 05 13:01 |
| Hail_Spacecake | which would reduce the amount of actually free software in the world | Jan 05 13:01 |
| oiaohm | I would put a normal license that passes the 4 freedoms ahead of a most proprietary software license. I would put a license with these vague things about harm at worse than a proprietary software license as you mostly cannot go to a lawyer and get a real ruling of is it safe or will it take your hide. | Jan 05 13:03 |
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| scientes | <Hail_Spacecake> which would reduce the amount of actually free software in the world | Jan 05 14:01 |
| scientes | thankfully on a technical level, this is not possible | Jan 05 14:01 |
| scientes | as long as nothing is lost | Jan 05 14:01 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/12/its-nearly-new-years-eve-why-tipsy-is.html?showComment=1578066162251#c2601005296963051775 | Jan 05 14:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 05 14:03 |
| schestowitz | This is patronising and frankly incorrect. Whilst the author may consider being tipsy undesirable, I know I speak for many for whom being tipsy is, in fact, a desirable effect of alcohol consumption. Why a brand should seek to distance itself from this I do not know - there is no reason why a brand should feel the need to agree with the author's views on the matter. Perhaps leave the question of whether it is desirable to the brand owners | Jan 05 14:03 |
| schestowitz | and those buying the product. | Jan 05 14:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | It's nearly New Year's Eve: Why "Tipsy" is such an undesirable mark - The IPKat | Jan 05 14:03 | |
| schestowitz | There is, quite simply, no "clear red line" as suggested by the author. It is a personal decision and nothing more. | Jan 05 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Secondly, as pointed out by another commenter, there is also no link between drinking and driving. Yes, people drink-drive and this is unacceptable. However, many more people drink and refrain from driving. The choice to drive is separate to the choice to drink. Let's not suggest otherwise. | Jan 05 14:03 |
| schestowitz | I look forward to the blog refraining from misdirected preaching in future. | Jan 05 14:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 05 14:03 |
| schestowitz | backfiring on them right there... | Jan 05 14:03 |
| schestowitz | ipkat | Jan 05 14:03 |
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| MinceR | 05 092332 < rianne> https://opensource.com/article/20/1/beyonce-fans-open-source-community | Jan 05 14:07 |
| MinceR | so, it is now OSI's and ratcrap's official position that the open source community is equal to github's user base? | Jan 05 14:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Beyoncé fans are like the open source community | Opensource.com | Jan 05 14:07 | |
| MinceR | s/equal/identical/ | Jan 05 14:08 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/646321.png | Jan 05 15:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: #redhat and #microsoft are NOT opposites! http://techrights.org/2019/10/19/lip-service-to-software-freedom/ | Jan 05 15:04 |
| schestowitz | see image | Jan 05 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ‘Corporate Linux’ Will Not Protect Software Freedom | Techrights | Jan 05 15:04 | |
| MinceR | i know | Jan 05 15:04 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: has ibm acquiring red hat affected this in any way (including how they speak publicly of the issue)? | Jan 05 15:05 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/08/10/microsoft-leads-red-hat-events/ | Jan 05 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Sometimes It Feels Like Microsoft — Not IBM — Bought Red Hat | Techrights | Jan 05 15:06 | |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 05 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: not much | Jan 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | they were like this before ibm | Jan 05 15:10 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 05 15:10 |
| schestowitz | and they had already stopped talking about swpats | Jan 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | circa 2016 | Jan 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | tiller et al sort of vanished from sight | Jan 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | also the msft fawning had taken root | Jan 05 15:11 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/01/27/microsoft-as-a-buyer-of-rht/ | Jan 05 15:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Always Remember That Red Hat Also Considered Microsoft as a Buyer | Techrights | Jan 05 15:11 | |
| MinceR | well, ibm is a big proponent of swpats, is it not? | Jan 05 15:12 |
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| schestowitz | yes | Jan 05 15:18 |
| schestowitz | the main issue afaict | Jan 05 15:18 |
| schestowitz | there are other issues | Jan 05 15:18 |
| schestowitz | this is a major one | Jan 05 15:18 |
| schestowitz | as they did not change the policy | Jan 05 15:18 |
| schestowitz | like they don't give a f about us foss people | Jan 05 15:18 |
| schestowitz | even fedora and centos users | Jan 05 15:18 |
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| MinceR | seems to me fedora and centos users enjoy being abused | Jan 05 15:19 |
| MinceR | otherwise they wouldn't be fedora or centos users | Jan 05 15:19 |
| schestowitz | we'll move to devuan | Jan 05 15:19 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: we need your help with setup on the alpine hv | Jan 05 15:19 |
| MinceR | i hope they don't manage to kill devuan | Jan 05 15:19 |
| schestowitz | to avoid breaking something low level... | Jan 05 15:20 |
| MinceR | devuan's rather reliant on deadian | Jan 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz | yes, it is | Jan 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz | they told me they'd be ok | Jan 05 15:20 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz | as many devs are willing to help devuan | Jan 05 15:20 |
| schestowitz | some former debian people, too | Jan 05 15:20 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19082228 | Jan 05 16:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 05 16:03 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: turn signals? | Jan 05 16:05 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 05 16:06 |
| MinceR | blinking lights on the car that let others know you intend to change direction or lanes | Jan 05 16:06 |
| XRevan86 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Turn_signals_working.gif so… turn signals? | Jan 05 16:07 |
| MinceR | yes | Jan 05 16:09 |
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| XRevan86 | It's just weird that they call it "indicators". Many things can be indicated %) | Jan 05 16:10 |
| XRevan86 | > Turn signals—formally called "direction indicators" or "directional signals", and informally known as "directionals", "blinkers", "indicators", or "flashers" | Jan 05 16:11 |
| XRevan86 | diverse | Jan 05 16:11 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_signals | Jan 05 16:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hand signals - Wikipedia | Jan 05 16:33 | |
| scientes | those predate the lights | Jan 05 16:33 |
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| scientes | > If something doesn't quack like a duck, doesn't swim like a duck, and doesn't walk like a duck, and is explicitly called Not A Duck, would we insist that it's actually a duck? | Jan 05 16:44 |
| scientes | regarding NaN | Jan 05 16:44 |
| scientes | lol | Jan 05 16:44 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 05 16:45 |
| MinceR | NaN does have a bunch of things in common with numbers though | Jan 05 16:47 |
| XRevan86 | like type %) | Jan 05 16:47 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19082066 | Jan 05 16:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 05 16:48 | |
| MinceR | like being possible outputs of operations on numbers | Jan 05 16:48 |
| MinceR | and being possible operands of operations on numbers | Jan 05 16:48 |
| MinceR | and being representable in standard floating point number formats | Jan 05 16:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Is it a dead duck? | Jan 05 16:49 |
| scientes | XRevan86, burn her! | Jan 05 16:50 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 05 16:50 |
| *XRevan86 can't top that | Jan 05 16:50 | |
| scientes | although floating point is peculiar | Jan 05 16:53 |
| scientes | like if you divide by zero you don't get NaN | Jan 05 16:53 |
| scientes | but inf or -inf | Jan 05 16:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 05 16:53 |
| MinceR | well, infinities are not numbers either | Jan 05 16:53 |
| MinceR | and in some cases it makes sense to get some sort of infinity when dividing by zero | Jan 05 16:54 |
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| scientes | infinity is a bizaare concept | Jan 05 16:54 |
| scientes | https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/5378/types-of-infinity | Jan 05 16:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-math.stackexchange.com | Types of infinity - Mathematics Stack Exchange | Jan 05 17:00 | |
| scientes | talking about aleph-1 | Jan 05 17:00 |
| rianne | https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/harrowing-footage-kangaroo-carcasses-billion-21218397 | Jan 05 17:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mirror.co.uk | Harrowing footage of kangaroo carcasses as a billion animals feared dead in bushfires - World News - Mirror Online | Jan 05 17:00 | |
| scientes | rianne, oh that is hrrrible | Jan 05 17:09 |
| scientes | buffalo bill | Jan 05 17:09 |
| scientes | is someone going to at least go in and make some jerky? | Jan 05 17:10 |
| rianne | scientes, human will be next. | Jan 05 17:10 |
| scientes | its a shame if noone makes some jerky out of that | Jan 05 17:11 |
| schestowitz | as if it's all economic | Jan 05 17:11 |
| scientes | schestowitz, I didn't say that | Jan 05 17:11 |
| schestowitz | and carcasses are just some "business opportunity" | Jan 05 17:11 |
| schestowitz | maybe Japan should have made 'soaps' from the many who died in nukes too? | Jan 05 17:11 |
| MinceR | human jerky? is that like pork jerky, only with more toxins? | Jan 05 17:11 |
| scientes | I said that if given that and one didn't make jerky, it is worse than if someone made jerky | Jan 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | they're busy fighring the bushfires | Jan 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | or saving surviving animals | Jan 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | which would be better use of manpower | Jan 05 17:12 |
| scientes | schestowitz, this is an example of "if life gives you lemons" | Jan 05 17:12 |
| scientes | but instead its "if life gives you dead kangaroos" | Jan 05 17:13 |
| schestowitz | more will die if they don't do something | Jan 05 17:13 |
| schestowitz | those are wild animals | Jan 05 17:13 |
| scientes | wild animals die all the time | Jan 05 17:13 |
| scientes | buy rarely in a way so suitable for making jerky | Jan 05 17:13 |
| schestowitz | should we treat all dead animals as food? | Jan 05 17:14 |
| schestowitz | if germs don't ear them, other animals will | Jan 05 17:14 |
| scientes | schestowitz, should we give them a burial with a cross? | Jan 05 17:14 |
| schestowitz | for humans to monopolise the carcass meat is... well, very human-like | Jan 05 17:14 |
| scientes | didn't say monopolise | Jan 05 17:14 |
| schestowitz | burials wont' be good use of time | Jan 05 17:14 |
| schestowitz | fight the fires | Jan 05 17:14 |
| scientes | the US forest service learned long ago that if you never let the forest burn it gets really combustable | Jan 05 17:15 |
| scientes | especially some tree varities that are programed for fires | Jan 05 17:15 |
| scientes | such as pines that only sprout after a fire | Jan 05 17:16 |
| scientes | schestowitz, when a vulture looks at the pile it salivates | Jan 05 17:16 |
| scientes | I am only saying that I do too | Jan 05 17:16 |
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| scientes | https://math.vanderbilt.edu/schectex/courses/infinity.pdf | Jan 05 17:20 |
| scientes | oooo, this is good | Jan 05 17:20 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19082040 | Jan 05 18:52 |
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| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ-vBhGk9F4 | Jan 05 19:38 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Did you read Microsoft's new complaint? | Jan 05 19:44 |
| schestowitz | no, where? | Jan 05 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google was breaking sites in ways they knew wouldn't work with Edge, so they switched to Chromium, so Google is now UA sniffing and blocking the new Edge too. | Jan 05 19:45 |
| schestowitz | I can't say that enrages me | Jan 05 19:45 |
| schestowitz | I dunno | Jan 05 19:45 |
| schestowitz | just don't block firefox | Jan 05 19:45 |
| schestowitz | they already screw many gnu linux browsers like the ones I use | Jan 05 19:45 |
| schestowitz | but anyway... | Jan 05 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.ghacks.net/2019/05/28/googles-blocking-new-microsoft-edge-from-accessing-new-design/ | Jan 05 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | Google's blocking new Microsoft Edge from accessing new design - gHacks Tech News | Jan 05 19:46 | |
| schestowitz | msft complaining about browser/UA sniffing... | Jan 05 19:46 |
| schestowitz | I mean, come on MSFT | Jan 05 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Checking your friggin history | Jan 05 19:46 |
| MinceR | microshit deserves to have its own medicine fed to it | Jan 05 19:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: that's not a new report | Jan 05 19:46 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Google discriminates against other Blink-based browsers, why should Chromium Edge be any different? | Jan 05 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Errr. | Jan 05 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wrong link | Jan 05 19:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they can plug their rectum to their mouths | Jan 05 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is full of 'medicine' | Jan 05 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.onmsft.com/news/google-has-apparently-blocked-its-stadia-cloud-gaming-service-on-the-chromium-based-microsoft-edge | Jan 05 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google has apparently blocked its Stadia cloud gaming service on the Chromium-based Microsoft Edge » OnMSFT.com | Jan 05 19:48 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google blocked Stadia to the Chromium Edge browser. | Jan 05 19:48 |
| schestowitz | good | Jan 05 19:48 |
| schestowitz | block it for Windows | Jan 05 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Stadia runs gnu linux + nvidia gpus iirc | Jan 05 19:48 |
| schestowitz | feed msft its own rectum again | Jan 05 19:48 |
| schestowitz | they excluded gnu linux from games forever | Jan 05 19:48 |
| schestowitz | they still do | Jan 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | they buy gaming studios | Jan 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | whereon they pull the plug on gnu linux support | Jan 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | so I'd think of that as Google giving some karma back | Jan 05 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, they had game developers install that fucking Games for Windows Live bullshit. | Jan 05 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And it would crash the game on Wine unless you inserted a stub dll that satisfied the game that it loaded the dll, but didn't actually lead to the code that crashed. | Jan 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | so msft shouts up the wrong tree | Jan 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | I hope people in comment highlight the hypocrisy | Jan 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | in comments | Jan 05 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Literally 90% of the time I spent making Fallout 3 from the DVD work in Wine years back was hacking around the Games for Windows Live dll. That really pissed me off. | Jan 05 19:50 |
| MinceR | joke's on them, mainstream games suck anyway | Jan 05 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, what's the point? Probably crashes under Windows 10 now too knowing those fucking retards at Microsoft. | Jan 05 19:51 |
| MinceR | dumbed down skinner boxes designed to farm idiots for money | Jan 05 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can't even keep Windows internally consistent enough to guarantee userspace won't break over the next few years even though they claim they're really good with compatibility. They aren't. | Jan 05 19:52 |
| MinceR | with DRM | Jan 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Edge: http://techrights.org/2020/01/04/pissing-users-off/ | Jan 05 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Can We Interest You in Some Proprietary Software? | Techrights | Jan 05 19:52 | |
| MinceR | they don't need to be really good with anything, just say it because their idiotic followers will believe it every single tim | Jan 05 19:52 |
| MinceR | e | Jan 05 19:52 |
| XRevan86 | Isn't Microsoft just great? I mean, no one else has thought of forking Chromium before. | Jan 05 19:53 |
| schestowitz | followers? | Jan 05 19:53 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 05 19:53 |
| schestowitz | or partners in business? | Jan 05 19:53 |
| schestowitz | it's usually about money, nothing else | Jan 05 19:53 |
| MinceR | useds | Jan 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | dumb funks | Jan 05 19:54 |
| MinceR | shills especially | Jan 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer: they antitrust me | Jan 05 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In reality, Windows 10 is like the Mac in that you release software for it now and if you aren't constantly updating it, Microsoft will break it probably 1-2 years later. So, in the worst way it's like the Mac. | Jan 05 19:54 |
| *schestowitz sweats | Jan 05 19:54 | |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 05 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | I also love how Microsoft deprecated Firefox, if that doesn't send a message of inclusivity then I don't know what does | Jan 05 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't believe Wine works as well as it does. Microsoft changes the way the same API works based on whether it's Windows 10 or 7, right? And wouldn't you know it? The way it works on Windows 10 is backwards and forwards compatible, but if you use it in the forwards compatible way, the app crashes on Windows 7. Totally not on purpose, though! | Jan 05 19:56 |
| schestowitz | [19:55] <XRevan86> I also love how Microsoft deprecated Firefox, if that doesn't send a message of inclusivity then I don't know what does | Jan 05 19:56 |
| schestowitz | MSFT told Firefox team in public to dump gecko | Jan 05 19:56 |
| schestowitz | and move to webkit family monoculture | Jan 05 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | spits out coffee | Jan 05 19:56 |
| XRevan86 | Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Browser-Engine | Jan 05 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Deprecated Firefox? | Jan 05 19:56 |
| schestowitz | MS loves monopoly, they just want to EEE webkit with Apple somehow... | Jan 05 19:56 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: They explicitly don't support Firefox in Skype Web, for instance. | Jan 05 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're hauling around that 23 year old broken pile of garbage clown car Internet Exploder still and they "deprecated" Firefox? What!? | Jan 05 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Skype used to be portabl | Jan 05 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | To Microsoft there's only one browser engine, you know which one. | Jan 05 19:57 |
| schestowitz | microsoft flatters itself for making it less so after buying that company | Jan 05 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Crapium | Jan 05 19:57 |
| schestowitz | saying they BRING it to Linux after doing the OPPOSITE | Jan 05 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google Botnet with the spyware sucked out and replaced by totally different Microsoft spyware? | Jan 05 19:58 |
| schestowitz | making client modes that Do NOT work in gnu linux | Jan 05 19:58 |
| schestowitz | then sort of kind of semi-heartedly restoring some support and saying it's evidence of their 'love' | Jan 05 19:58 |
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| MinceR | (audio:none?) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/12/8be3136153a9dfcc.mp4 | Jan 05 19:59 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: assuming they manage to remove the google spyware | Jan 05 19:59 |
| MinceR | considering how monumentally incompetent they are, they might not manage to remove all of it | Jan 05 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm assuming they don't want it to datamine you and then send it to their competing ad network. | Jan 05 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: "MSFT told Firefox team in public to dump gecko" – it was a "personal opinion", but their actions do align with it well. | Jan 05 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I remember that. | Jan 05 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gecko is the only non-Crapium browser now, honestly. | Jan 05 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unless you count Apple's. | Jan 05 20:03 |
| scientes | its also way faster | Jan 05 20:03 |
| scientes | because of servo | Jan 05 20:04 |
| MinceR | or the ones that don't support javascript | Jan 05 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Phoronix benchmark shows Crapium to be faster. | Jan 05 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | WebKit is argueably in a worse state than Gecko right now. | Jan 05 20:04 |
| scientes | MinceR, JavaScriptCore is a differnt js engine | Jan 05 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't even care. I want nothing to do with it. | Jan 05 20:04 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes, gecko is way faster | Jan 05 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not arguable. Webkit is in bad shape. | Jan 05 20:04 |
| MinceR | scientes: i meant stuff like lynx, links2, elinks, dillo | Jan 05 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When Google left, 90% of development left. | Jan 05 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | My checks showed SpiderMonkey to be better than V8 in some cases and worse in others. Still quite competitive. | Jan 05 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | JIT and stuff | Jan 05 20:05 |
| scientes | yeah, but do you really want all your apps written in js? | Jan 05 20:05 |
| scientes | the rendering is more important | Jan 05 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I really don't. | Jan 05 20:05 |
| scientes | and the js is fast as it can get right now | Jan 05 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | Meanwhile, WebGL on Chromium gives a higher FPS than on Firefox. | Jan 05 20:06 |
| scientes | yeah, but again who cares? | Jan 05 20:06 |
| scientes | I have never used WebGL | Jan 05 20:06 |
| scientes | it is irrelevent to me | Jan 05 20:06 |
| MinceR | 05 210542 < scientes> the rendering is more important | Jan 05 20:07 |
| MinceR | if it were up to me, there would only be a tiny fraction of sites using js | Jan 05 20:07 |
| MinceR | but it is not up to me | Jan 05 20:07 |
| MinceR | so js performance matters | Jan 05 20:07 |
| scientes | MinceR, yeah but the js that is important is render-heavy | Jan 05 20:08 |
| scientes | and is just glue | Jan 05 20:08 |
| scientes | we are not rendering pngs with javascript | Jan 05 20:09 |
| scientes | and <canvas> | Jan 05 20:09 |
| scientes | number crunching just isn't important | Jan 05 20:09 |
| MinceR | i don't know what those retards are doing, but i've seen way too many pages that just won't render images without js | Jan 05 20:11 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FExFyrgRKRI | Jan 05 20:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Putin: Russia Supports Free Internet, We Are Just Preventing The West From Shutting It Down - YouTube | Jan 05 20:12 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 05 20:12 |
| MinceR | i didn't realize putler blocking sites and services he didn't like was a "free internet" | Jan 05 20:13 |
| scientes | also Russia is no doing anything close to what China does in order to keep Google out of their internet | Jan 05 20:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You should know that's a lie. | Jan 05 20:14 |
| MinceR | yet | Jan 05 20:14 |
| scientes | XRevan86, I only posted it for discussion | Jan 05 20:14 |
| scientes | Everybody knows everything. | Jan 05 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: I was watching that Sky/HBO Chernobyl miniseries. | Jan 05 20:18 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], I hear it is a bunch of lies | Jan 05 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Is that what Pootie Poot says? | Jan 05 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently the KGB had a lot to do with bungling the disaster cleanup. | Jan 05 20:18 |
| scientes | maybe bungling the accident in the first place too | Jan 05 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Denial that the Soviets could possibly fuck up a reactor design, even before it went into operation. | Jan 05 20:19 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], it didn't have to be badly designed if the accident was an "accident" | Jan 05 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, it was a combination of human error and piss poor design because the Russians cut corners on every part of the reactor design, including the fuel quality. | Jan 05 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But mainly graphite-tipped control rods. Jesus.... | Jan 05 20:20 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/12/5d0621c159881a99.jpg | Jan 05 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The reactor blew up after it was SCRAMmed because of the graphite tips on the control rods. | Jan 05 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the Soviets didn't coat the graphite tips with Boron because they were so damned cheap. | Jan 05 20:21 |
| scientes | MinceR, nice | Jan 05 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it accelerated the reaction in a reactor that was at the breaking point to begin with by that point. | Jan 05 20:21 |
| scientes | MinceR, is that a "I think I can"? | Jan 05 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was a lot of things that all shouldn't have been possible. | Jan 05 20:21 |
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| MinceR | scientes: "caution: step" | Jan 05 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Including a narcissistic jerk running the safety test that was as clumsy as he was stupid. | Jan 05 20:22 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: the way totalitarianism warps people's minds also had a role in the disaster | Jan 05 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even with the graphite tips, the reactor shouldn't have blown up if they had to SCRAM it in an actual emergency. | Jan 05 20:23 |
| MinceR | and since authoritarianism is "hip" and "cool" now, that's going to happen everywhere | Jan 05 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the test protocol had disabled like 4 other things that had been keeping the reaction under control. | Jan 05 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then the graphite was the last straw. | Jan 05 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even after the disaster, the Soviet government refused to fix the control rods in the then 14 remaining RBMK reactors until the design flaw was exposed in front of international scientists. | Jan 05 20:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They ended up destroying the man who exposed them and he committed suicide. | Jan 05 20:24 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Let's just say, Roskomnadzor operations is a statement in itself about how free Internet is. | Jan 05 20:24 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And so far that "Russian Inetnet sovereignity" thing has only caused extensive popil. The basic idea is extra hardware to block connections and reroute packets, in case 'mericans start disrupting Russian Internet through bad routing. | Jan 05 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | A very expensive counter-measure against something that wouldn't just screw Russia but the whole Internet. A very plausable threat. | Jan 05 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | Might help block Telegram better maybe. | Jan 05 20:29 |
| scientes | "in case 'mericans start disrupting Russian Internet through bad routing." | Jan 05 20:29 |
| scientes | this is such a lie | Jan 05 20:29 |
| scientes | its not that the americans don't want to disrupt the internet | Jan 05 20:30 |
| scientes | but disruption that is obviously malintended does not work | Jan 05 20:30 |
| scientes | the disruption is through google | Jan 05 20:30 |
| scientes | which has to keep backpeddling on capabilities to try to stay relevent | Jan 05 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | Basically, they want a workable Intranet. | Jan 05 20:31 |
| scientes | google maps had to add offline (shitty) because of OsmAnd threat | Jan 05 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | that can successfully detach from the rest | Jan 05 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | in case… they want that | Jan 05 20:31 |
| scientes | and now YouTube just added the ability to download (some) videos | Jan 05 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: This is absolutely not the realm. | Jan 05 20:31 |
| scientes | because they do lots of research and saw that they were theatened to become irrelevent without it | Jan 05 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | The law is about the basics of Internet, not some sites and brands. | Jan 05 20:32 |
| scientes | yeah but google isn't just "some sites" | Jan 05 20:32 |
| scientes | as many sites now do not work without google analytics | Jan 05 20:32 |
| scientes | its a successful side channel | Jan 05 20:32 |
| scientes | it is microsoft 2.0 | Jan 05 20:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Next thing you'll tell me that 90% of Russian sites don't host inside Russia, so suddenly Russian-speaking Internet will turn out to be on the wrong side of the fence | Jan 05 20:33 |
| scientes | well they are smart for doing that | Jan 05 20:33 |
| scientes | same reason why they are all incorporated in Europe | Jan 05 20:34 |
| scientes | in order to create red tape to their enemies | Jan 05 20:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, no one wants unnecessary risks. | Jan 05 20:34 |
| XRevan86 | Like guys in black breaking in and removing all tech from the building. | Jan 05 20:35 |
| scientes | exactly | Jan 05 20:35 |
| scientes | the site can be moved fast by its owners, I assure you | Jan 05 20:35 |
| scientes | they are just maximizing red tape | Jan 05 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "red tape" – It isn't always legal | Jan 05 20:36 |
| scientes | its about making it too expensive to mess with | Jan 05 20:37 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The Russian method is making it too scary to mess with | Jan 05 20:38 |
| XRevan86 | there is a distinction | Jan 05 20:38 |
| XRevan86 | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2019/12/28/a-man-living-in-siberia-said-officers-planted-drugs-on-him-and-forced-him-to-confess-a-week-later-he-was-found-with-his-head-cut-off not from the realm of IT, but still | Jan 05 20:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Jan 05 20:40 | |
| XRevan86 | the latest | Jan 05 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Russia, censorship interprets the internet as damage and routes around it. | Jan 05 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Jan 05 20:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 05 20:44 |
| scientes | > investigators said he had committed suicide | Jan 05 20:45 |
| scientes | case closed | Jan 05 20:45 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I saw this before | Jan 05 20:45 |
| XRevan86 | A clean cut, as trains often do | Jan 05 20:45 |
| schestowitz | TR linked to some reports about that | Jan 05 20:46 |
| schestowitz | maybe they should draft darf trump too | Jan 05 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes, it's week-old | Jan 05 20:46 |
| schestowitz | send him to Iran | Jan 05 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I linked it for scientes | Jan 05 20:46 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/12/183929450eff8524.jpg | Jan 05 20:46 |
| MinceR | also works with russia :> | Jan 05 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm guessing the Ruskinet will work like Dear Leadernet does in North Korea. | Jan 05 20:48 |
| XRevan86 | And he suddenly got suicidal on his way to make a statement to the Investigative Committee, as people often do. | Jan 05 20:48 |
| danielp3344 | ^ | Jan 05 20:48 |
| scientes | “typical railroad injuries.” | Jan 05 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least they know how full of shit their government is and how it offs people instead of allowing a hearing. | Jan 05 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like what happened to Aaron Swartz here in America. | Jan 05 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He got "suicided" too right before the trial. As people sometimes do. | Jan 05 20:51 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], Everybody knows everything. | Jan 05 20:51 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], I was at Aaron Swartz's funeral | Jan 05 20:51 |
| scientes | yes, that is exactly what happened | Jan 05 20:52 |
| scientes | they know that copyright law is an embaressment, and that everyone know that it is | Jan 05 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My parents seem to think Dump's America is a free country even though by objective observation it has fallen to #53 out of 210 recognized nations. | Jan 05 20:52 |
| danielp3344 | what? | Jan 05 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: They probably compare it to China, Russia and the UK | Jan 05 20:53 |
| XRevan86 | and to North Korea maybe | Jan 05 20:53 |
| XRevan86 | The US: freer than Belarus' | Jan 05 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're at about the same level of freedom as Greece. | Jan 05 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The aggregate score is 100 being most free. The US got an 86. | Jan 05 20:54 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], ancient greece had a hell of a lot more free speech | Jan 05 20:54 |
| scientes | in Aristophane's Birds, he mocks the *current* military commander | Jan 05 20:55 |
| MinceR | ...for the nobles | Jan 05 20:55 |
| scientes | MinceR, "everything should be public property" "then who will till the soil?" "the slaves" | Jan 05 20:56 |
| scientes | ---Aristophane's play | Jan 05 20:56 |
| danielp3344 | lol | Jan 05 20:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "Freedom of the press"....what passes as a press in the United States. Billionaires buy up the "press" and tell mom and dad what to think. What a crock. | Jan 05 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And this is why we can't have nice things. Good healthcare is Communism. Parents heard it on Fox so it must be true.; | Jan 05 20:57 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51RfFCzRrgL._SL1000_.jpg | Jan 05 20:57 |
| scientes | more like "freedom to be pressed" amirite? | Jan 05 20:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 05 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "If we have Communism, everyone will be poor with shitty apartments, unreliable cars, and no healthcare." | Jan 05 20:58 |
| MinceR | oh, you have communism already? | Jan 05 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people already live like that right now in the US. The remaining 22% that don't are indifferent, but they're the ones voting. | Jan 05 20:59 |
| danielp3344 | I want a yugo | Jan 05 20:59 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], I am in a Soviet apartment right now | Jan 05 20:59 |
| scientes | its quite nice | Jan 05 20:59 |
| MinceR | except for a bunch of people who aren't poor, i guess | Jan 05 20:59 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | But then there's always the saying "It's not who votes that counts. It's who counts the votes." which is why Indiana is not a democracy. Not even close. | Jan 05 21:00 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], 1 man, 1 vote | Jan 05 21:00 |
| MinceR | The Patrician is the Man, he has the Vote | Jan 05 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vladimir Putin would feel right at home in Indiana. He'd recognize their elections immediately. | Jan 05 21:00 |
| *XRevan86 has been saying for years that federal elections in the US mustn't be delegated to the states like that. | Jan 05 21:04 | |
| scientes | danielp3344, https://youtu.be/Q-mkVSasZIM?t=285 | Jan 05 21:04 |
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| scientes | but I actually did read Aristophane's plays | Jan 05 21:04 |
| scientes | they are excellent | Jan 05 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Indiana tried to implement a poll tax by saying you needed a state ID to vote and then increasing the price of the ID from $5 to $30. | Jan 05 21:04 |
| scientes | especially Lysistrata | Jan 05 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The court said they either had to give the ID to people for free or repeal the law, so they're free now. | Jan 05 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government makes it hard to do anything without their consent. Try doing anything without the state's permission. You can't. But totally free country right? | Jan 05 21:06 |
| scientes | danielp3344, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYYQIn_sC-4 | Jan 05 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's actually so bad now that Indiana is passing laws saying what people "can" do. | Jan 05 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Aristophanes' Frogs (Cambridge Greek Play 2013) - YouTube | Jan 05 21:06 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government in the US is a drag. It doesn't help people. It just gets in the way and makes you get a permission slip for everything. | Jan 05 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The whole shitshow about cattle ranchers having their cows eat "government grass". It's grass. It's everywhere. We used to call public land with grass "the commons". | Jan 05 21:08 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], you mean cabal grass | Jan 05 21:09 |
| scientes | incompetent cabal at that | Jan 05 21:09 |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/11/8c24ab3d3cc06f05.mp4 | Jan 05 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, it turns out that the whole thing with the Bundys was that they didn't pay the government a small fee that probably wouldn't have even covered paying some asshole to stamp the permit. | Jan 05 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So we have turned into Russia. Look no further, | Jan 05 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Bureau of Land Management hasn't gotten any better under Trump. | Jan 05 21:11 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], but that is what every modern industrial state is like | Jan 05 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | His cabinet full of apparatchiks. | Jan 05 21:11 |
| scientes | instead of tax in kind (tithe), its tax in government debt certificates | Jan 05 21:12 |
| scientes | its circle | Jan 05 21:12 |
| scientes | *it is a circle | Jan 05 21:12 |
| scientes | and it only functions because of the welfare state | Jan 05 21:12 |
| scientes | the doll | Jan 05 21:12 |
| scientes | except the U.S. only has the welfare state anymore | Jan 05 21:13 |
| scientes | everyone derives their income from it | Jan 05 21:13 |
| scientes | 99% corruption, 1% reality | Jan 05 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, almost everyone takes more from the state than they put in. But that serves its purposes and it's why even a moron like Trump is smart enough to leave it alone. People who need the state can't get rid of it. | Jan 05 21:15 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], you don't get it | Jan 05 21:15 |
| scientes | industrial states people don't put in | Jan 05 21:15 |
| scientes | the input is resources | Jan 05 21:15 |
| scientes | and all those resources are imported | Jan 05 21:15 |
| scientes | anyways, upset people pull water wagons | Jan 05 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The US is mainly agriculture now. Government subsidies flow into it. It gets exported at a loss. | Jan 05 21:16 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], and that agriculture is fertilized with imported natural gas-based amonia fertilizer | Jan 05 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If people stop agreeing to enable US overconsumption, we can turn off their flow of food. That's the blackmail. | Jan 05 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fertilizer run off from US agriculture has created a bigger dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico than the BP oil disaster. | Jan 05 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Humans are eating the world like a cancer. It's rather depressing to watch, actually. | Jan 05 21:18 |
| scientes | certainly isn't depressing to be dead | Jan 05 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The character "Agent Smith" in The Matrix pontificated about this in why he hated his job overseeing humans. He said he came to the realization that humans are not actually mammals. Every mammal on Earth adapts to its environment, establishes an equilibrium. Humans don't. They move to an area "and you multiply, and you multiply, until all of the resources are consumed, and then you move on". "There is another form of | Jan 05 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | life that behaves this way. A virus.". | Jan 05 21:20 |
| XRevan86 | or rabbits | Jan 05 21:21 |
| scientes | or mice | Jan 05 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then in the next movie, Smith becomes a computer virus when his program is corrupted, and he basically does exactly that to the Matrix. | Jan 05 21:21 |
| MinceR | he became human! | Jan 05 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, basically part of Neo's consciousness infected Smith's machine code. "I knew what I had to do, what I was supposed to do, but I couldn't.". | Jan 05 21:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ah, yes, the beautiful story of Buratino^W Pinocchio | Jan 05 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Each program had a job and the system gave them some unique abilities. Not enough to threaten it, but enough to expedite their tasks. Smith became overpowered because the system allowed Agent programs to infect and overwrite a human or another program, but only be in one place at a time. But after Smith was corrupted, he could just keep copying himself indefinitely. | Jan 05 21:23 |
| XRevan86 | and then the new Smiths rose up against the original | Jan 05 21:24 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: pleroma maintenance? | Jan 05 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He was on the verge of overrunning the Matrix and causing the system to break down. His purpose at this point was to destroy the Matrix because he hated it so much and he didn't care if he killed himself to accomplish that. He saw himself as a prisoner of it as much as the humans were. | Jan 05 21:25 |
| kaniini | yes. moving to new infrastructure | Jan 05 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, "The One" was not Neo, it was Agent Smith. | Jan 05 21:25 |
| scientes | ugggghhh ppl, there is only one matrix | Jan 05 21:27 |
| scientes | its like Spaceballs 2: The Search For More Money | Jan 05 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I thought you're going for "a transformation matrix' | Jan 05 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What enabled Neo to defeat Smith at the cost of his own life was that the part of Smith's programming that became part of Neo when Neo apparently "destroyed" (actually dispersed) Smith in the first movie was the key to allowing the Machines to return Smith to "the source" to be destroyed. | Jan 05 21:30 |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/Png1cSu.mp4 | Jan 05 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, Neo was not "the one". He was a human with some control over the matrix that most other humans didn't have. The imbalance of the one was caused by Smith, and they eventually canceled each other out. | Jan 05 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Are you a fan? %) | Jan 05 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Smith was obviously more capable than the other Agent programs, and that makes sense because he was in command of them. | Jan 05 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > DaemonFC: Are you a fan? %) | Jan 05 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It has obvious plot holes and spots where the whole movie goes dead for a while, but overall yeah. | Jan 05 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | > So, Neo was not "the one". | Jan 05 21:34 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/K4j4Cj8Mip0?t=19 | Jan 05 21:34 |
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| XRevan86 | But was Neo new or at least neon? | Jan 05 21:38 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/neo or a mole, a beauty spot, a flaw, a defect, a corpse, an anchor | Jan 05 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | neo - Wiktionary | Jan 05 21:40 | |
| MinceR | he was Neon in at least one of the hungarian parody dubs | Jan 05 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/c/c3/Shmatrix_DVD_cover.jpg them parody dubs | Jan 05 21:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "The EU is Russia's largest trading partner.". | Jan 05 21:50 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: oil? | Jan 05 21:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He would like them to trade a little bit more of it each year if that's okay. | Jan 05 21:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Pootie Poot. :) | Jan 05 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: Gas, probably. | Jan 05 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | * oil derivatives | Jan 05 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've started running the car on a higher ethanol blend. | Jan 05 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Doesn't seem to be having any negative effects. | Jan 05 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gasahol was a response to the damned Arabs in the 70s, and it's becoming a fixture since it's the cheapest non-toxic antiknock agent out there. | Jan 05 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The car companies don't like it, but they're dealing with it. | Jan 05 21:53 |
| XRevan86 | a mixture of ethanol and petrol… | Jan 05 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. Before the federal government started "insisting", stations went out of their way to advertise no alcohol in their gasoline. | Jan 05 21:55 |
| MinceR | cars don't like it either :> | Jan 05 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It does help energy independence, but only by so much. | Jan 05 21:55 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't know that's even a thing. | Jan 05 21:55 |
| MinceR | ethanol picks up water and then the water promotes rusting | Jan 05 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Impala has been running fine on E10 for the last 265,000 miles. | Jan 05 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I doubt using E15 is going to fuck anything up real bad. | Jan 05 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Brazil has been running higher blends for decades. Much higher. | Jan 05 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | E50 or so. | Jan 05 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems most of the negativity comes from the oil companies not wanting demand to go down. | Jan 05 22:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | My main complaint is that most stations don't sell it on an energy equivalent basis with gasoline. | Jan 05 22:09 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | If all you get on E15 is a 2 cent discount it isn't worth it. 5 cents might be. | Jan 05 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some stations do 5. | Jan 05 22:09 |
| MinceR | iirc fuel with ethanol in it can also spoil, not sure how | Jan 05 22:12 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: it tends to absorb water | Jan 05 22:13 |
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| MinceR | ah, i thought something else would also happen | Jan 05 22:15 |
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| danielp3344 | bring back leaded gas | Jan 05 22:17 |
| danielp3344 | I mean ethanol is good too | Jan 05 22:18 |
| danielp3344 | but power :P | Jan 05 22:18 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 05 22:18 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BD-ba-aXQo | Jan 05 22:21 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I'm surprised that the EPA isn't proposing to bring back leaded gas. | Jan 05 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's cheap and so what if it makes people retarded. That just means a permanent majority for Trump's party that lasts for the rest of the century. | Jan 05 22:29 |
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| MinceR | Agent Orange probably can't remember leaded gas | Jan 05 22:32 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/646261.jpg | Jan 05 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-16/russia-s-annexation-of-crimea-5-years-ago-has-cost-putin-dearly | Jan 05 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Russia's Annexation of Crimea 5 Years Ago Has Cost Putin Dearly - Bloomberg | Jan 05 22:49 | |
| *XRevan86 reads the title. | Jan 05 22:50 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "This time, though, the Ukrainian government put up a fight. A feeble one, to be sure, given that the countryâs military never believed it would actually have to fight a war. But it soon transpired that the ragtag bands of local goons and Russian military reconstructors faced defeat without more Russian help. Russia sent troops to defeat the Ukrainian military at key junctions in 2014 and 2015 â and, crucially, it | Jan 05 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | also sent the missile launcher that accidentally downed a passenger plane, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, on July 17, 2014. The death of the 298 passengers and crew made sure Putinâs second Ukraine gamble would not be low cost." | Jan 05 22:50 |
| XRevan86 | It did. | Jan 05 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he had stopped with the Crimean annexation, things would have died down. | Jan 05 22:50 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: At least Putin gets to use Donbass as a bargaining chip | Jan 05 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems that mostly off brand gas stations are carrying E15, although one of them is Thorntons, which is BP now, but carried it before. | Jan 05 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They lowered the discount to only 2 cents, apparently to discourage people from buying it even though the pumps are there. | Jan 05 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think bad times are ahead for Murphy. | Jan 05 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had a deal where Walmart would lease them space and in return not operate any gas stations of their own. | Jan 05 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now Walmart wants Walmart gas stations. | Jan 05 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It could very well kick Murphy off its properties and force them into bankruptcy and then buy their assets in the bankruptcy sale. | Jan 05 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Walmart is big enough to get into any business it wants to, but its new ventures have mostly been a disaster. | Jan 05 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gasoline is low margin. Many superstores sell it as bait to get customers to come closer. | Jan 05 23:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why it's so cheap at Kroger and CostCo. | Jan 05 23:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many gas stations sell it as bait. They break even or lose a penny or two a gallon. | Jan 05 23:05 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/646312.jpg | Jan 05 23:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What is the source of the amusement? | Jan 05 23:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A ho is a woman who will have sex with just about anyone. A slut. | Jan 05 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Slang | Jan 05 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: A "whore". Not exactly slang⦠| Jan 05 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | I expected more. | Jan 05 23:32 |
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