●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Tuesday, January 05, 2021 ●● ● Jan 05 [00:06] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:07] psydroid the day MS bought Shithub was the day I created an account on Shitlab [00:08] psydroid and even though I have sources locally, I'll run my own forge eventually [00:15] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [00:15] Ariadne in other news, i was reminded of the fact that the US military uses Alpine [00:16] Ariadne in the form of their unclassified gitlab repo: https://repo1.dso.mil [00:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-repo1.dso.mil | Sign in GitLab [00:30] DaemonFC[m] "Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft." is exactly how things like Solarwinds keep happening, over and over. Ransomware in hospitals. Internet worms banging on shitty IIS configurations and going down the list of CVEs in Windows. [00:30] DaemonFC[m] This is where the forced security patch updates came from. [00:32] DaemonFC[m] When Conficker hit, almost all of the CVEs it targeted had been fixed ages ago, but people didn't bother to install the fixes. Either because they were weary of the patch breaking the OS or because Microsoft likes to hide product activation hack killers in CVE updates. [00:32] DaemonFC[m] So the thing had nearly two dozen vulnerabilities it could try and there were hundreds of millions of systems where at least some would work. [00:33] DaemonFC[m] It's really just a matter of going down a list and checking everything. And with Windows 10, so few people are on an unsupported build now that at least that particular problem isn't as bad. [00:34] DaemonFC[m] But Microsoft is backsliding on the goal of "One Windows 10." by making an LTSC version for corporations that don't want a bunch of nonsense, and supporting like 4 builds spanning two years at any time. [00:35] DaemonFC[m] A particular patch may only need to be written and tested once, or it may need to be tested as many times as that particular file changed over the span of the supported builds. [00:36] DaemonFC[m] From the chatter I've read, when pirates go to swipe something these days, it's usually the LTSC to get away from the UWP crap and the telemetry and stuff. [00:37] DaemonFC[m] If you're a pirate, why not choose the build that's the least aggravating? [00:38] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft realized that the Windows Store was failing and developers were not coming to them with UWP, but instead of opening those APIs up like they said they would, they're just leaving the Windows Store to stagnate and rot even further while everyone hangs out in Win32 land. [00:39] DaemonFC[m] They have a lot of apps in the sense of "Someone crammed a bunch of how to use Google Chrome website articles into the PDF printer and shoved them all into an AppX and now that's $2.49.". [00:40] DaemonFC[m] They're not even real apps. They're exploitative and lazy. They don't have a purpose. Yet, in total absence of any real software, they float to the top. If you stay in Windows 10 S Mode you can have fake apps, and not much else. [00:41] DaemonFC[m] Well, Microsoft probably doesn't want to mention this since signing things apparently makes them secure and all, but they digitally signed those SolarWinds dlls. [00:41] DaemonFC[m] So bunch of good that did. [00:41] DaemonFC[m] Trustworthy Computing(R) [00:42] DaemonFC[m] Digitally signing binaries that can't be inspected only tells you that they came from the source you think they did, not that there's no malicious code in the file. [00:50] MinceR (cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/20/5bce923da5c427f6.jpg ● Jan 05 [01:41] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Jan 05 [02:01] schestowitz__ gm [02:27] DaemonFC[m] https://www.businessinsider.com/google-alphabet-workers-form-union-us-canada-contractors-2021-1 [02:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Google, Alphabet workers form union after years of unrest - Business Insider [02:28] schestowitz__ Finally, some real social justice [02:28] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: Wonder if mjg59 is in the union, which I'm sure just happened because they're so terrific to their workers. Which is how union drives usually start, as we all know. [02:28] schestowitz__ maybe mjg59 will even join this cause [02:28] schestowitz__ instead of sucking up to corporations [02:28] DaemonFC[m] Only if they wear pink sock hats. [02:30] schestowitz__ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Qt-5.15-LTS-Commercial-Phase [02:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Qt Company Is Tomorrow Moving Qt 5.15 To Its Commercial-Only LTS Phase - Phoronix [02:30] schestowitz__ read comments here. [02:30] schestowitz__ they should fork [02:30] schestowitz__ those who rely on qt [02:32] mjg59 As of today I'm in the union, yes [02:32] DaemonFC[m] "Thiago Macieira of Intel was quick to comment that at lest for code he deals with in Qt, he will not be participating in fixes or commenting and reviewing on back-ports or bug reports. He intends to just close bug reports that cannot be reproduced on Qt 6.0." [02:32] DaemonFC[m] Wow. [02:33] DaemonFC[m] This makes LTS versions of KDE practically impossible. [02:33] schestowitz__ mjg59: +1 [02:34] DaemonFC[m] If there's no LTS version of Qt then it would be an unsupportable backlog of CVEs and stuff that KDE can't support. [02:34] schestowitz__ just for the record. [02:34] schestowitz__ iirc, this plan predates covid [02:34] schestowitz__ except maybe in china [02:34] schestowitz__ this is just qt being greesy [02:34] schestowitz__ greedy [02:34] schestowitz__ Fork it and f*ck it (Qt6). I know Krita devs are unhappy about Qt6 dropping ANGLE, and many other things are still missing. https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1230096-the-qt-company-is-tomorrow-moving-qt-5-15-to-its-commercial-only-lts-phase [02:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Qt Company Is Tomorrow Moving Qt 5.15 To Its Commercial-Only LTS Phase - Phoronix Forums [02:35] schestowitz__ "The absence of competition in the portable C++ app development frameworks segment has enabled the company to raise to an unprecedented level of community-unfriendliness. [02:36] DaemonFC[m] There is going to have to be some sort of a fork of Qt 5.15 I'd imagine, if enough people are interested in it. [02:37] DaemonFC[m] This has as much to do with foisting a broken and halfassed new Qt series on people who don't pay them so they can find all the bugs as it does anything else. [02:37] DaemonFC[m] And it won't work. [02:37] DaemonFC[m] There's been a lot of things that have been attacking KDE as a viable project for some time now. [02:38] DaemonFC[m] Seemingly unrelated to each other. [02:38] DaemonFC[m] Wayland, systemd, now Qt. Red Hat and Intel mostly. [02:39] DaemonFC[m] Now that they and Microsoft control Linux, they figure that they can put hard pressure on users to abandon everything except GNOME so that they control everything. [02:39] DaemonFC[m] They'll say it's because they want a coherent end user experience, but it's bullshit because having one desktop environment and not another hasn't hurt anything or affected anyone else for many years. [02:39] DaemonFC[m] It's outside their sphere of influence, so it has to go. [02:40] DaemonFC[m] There used to be multiple shell options for Windows even. Now there aren't. [02:41] DaemonFC[m] I remember using various shell interfaces that weren't explorer because it was so unstable and bloated. [02:44] schestowitz__ simple [02:44] schestowitz__ app [02:44] schestowitz__ unity [02:44] schestowitz__ ux [02:44] schestowitz__ one option [02:44] schestowitz__ from their "user friendliness" "research" [02:44] schestowitz__ who needs options [02:44] schestowitz__ one store, one OS... [02:45] DaemonFC[m] The actual code for the IE4 Shell Update was just terrible. [02:45] DaemonFC[m] It leaked memory (and "resources") and frequently crashed Windows. [02:45] DaemonFC[m] It had all sorts of things that were obviously crammed into it purely because of court cases. [02:46] DaemonFC[m] Someone the other day wrote an article about how Windows has bad, good, bad, good releases. [02:46] DaemonFC[m] They listed Windows 98 as a good release. They obviously never used it. [02:47] DaemonFC[m] I'm pretty certain that the era of major Windows versions is over with. [02:47] DaemonFC[m] What is there left to do really? [02:53] DaemonFC[m] Everything lately has been focused on rebranding. [02:54] schestowitz__ as walways [02:54] schestowitz__ not just lately [02:54] schestowitz__ brb coffee ● Jan 05 [03:00] schestowitz__ https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-tears-into-intel-favors-amd/ [03:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linus Torvalds tears into Intel, favors AMD | ZDNet [03:09] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: want to do some more Intel leaks? [03:09] schestowitz__ we have lots [03:14] schestowitz__ amazon shots self in foot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpHXDWIisbY [03:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Migrating a Legacy .NET Framework Application to .NET 5 Using Porting Assistant for .NET - YouTube [03:14] schestowitz__ *shoots [03:16] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [03:20] DaemonFC[m] https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/245841/job-posting-confirms-windows-10-ux-overhaul [03:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Job Posting Confirms Windows 10 UX Overhaul - Thurrott.com [03:20] DaemonFC[m] Someone mentioned Windows Explorer as an "app" that needs polishing. [03:21] DaemonFC[m] Still no split view after all these years. [03:21] DaemonFC[m] But they managed to take up a third of the left pane with Onedrive bullshit until you get around to uninstalling that. [03:22] DaemonFC[m] Plus, the Windows 8 GUI was horrible and people responded to it by bolting a third party start menu back on and using it like Windows 7. [03:23] schestowitz__ after the manual run of remote backup of TM it seems to be failing every morning, creating empty files [03:23] DaemonFC[m] They put a lot of resources into "Metro" just to have it flop. [03:23] DaemonFC[m] This is a lot of back and forth on GUI designs that nobody wants ultimately to end up back with something that works like a prettier Windows 95. [03:23] schestowitz__ the local backups on /home work OK, so I guess it's just a setup/permission/IP thing [03:27] schestowitz__ [03:20] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- Job Posting Confirms Windows 10 UX Overhaul - Thurrott.com [03:27] schestowitz__ PR Paul [03:27] schestowitz__ that shows they indeed struggle [03:28] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2020/12/29/windows-sliding/ [03:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | According to Statcounter, Microsoft Windows Reaches Lowest Market Share Since 1990s (Now Just 31.8%) | Techrights [03:35] DaemonFC[m] 0.41% of Windows users are still on Vista. [03:35] schestowitz__ GE used it [03:35] schestowitz__ they had us hop on it over rdesktop to ssh to their debian boxes [03:35] schestowitz__ yes, Vista [03:35] schestowitz__ in 2020 [03:37] schestowitz__ over putty actually [03:37] schestowitz__ last year, iirc, windows was breaking itself [03:37] DaemonFC[m] I might have that beat. [03:37] schestowitz__ so they realised it's stupid for linux-to-linux connections (to patch server) is a bad idea if done over Vista [03:37] schestowitz__ also, some of those are samba [03:38] DaemonFC[m] NT 3.51 in 2007. [03:38] schestowitz__ and Microsoft broke, using Windows Update, compatibility with it [03:38] DaemonFC[m] Companies leave all sorts of old stuff laying around. [03:39] schestowitz__ (of course the Windows thing was NEVER our idea) [03:39] schestowitz__ they are changing access methods now [03:39] DaemonFC[m] When Microsoft's focus was on making upgrade license sales they badly fragmented Windows, stopped supporting old versions, and routinely sabotaged them on the way out. [03:39] schestowitz__ I heard other things about GE [03:39] schestowitz__ they just try to firewall away the threats [03:39] schestowitz__ basically run some horrible toys [03:39] schestowitz__ then hire [03:39] schestowitz__ *hide [03:40] schestowitz__ They also used some horrible windows-only thing [03:40] schestowitz__ I forgot what it's called [03:40] schestowitz__ we used to have a virtual machine set up with windows just to use that [03:40] schestowitz__ so... [03:40] schestowitz__ rdesktop to windows [03:41] schestowitz__ then remote support session [03:41] schestowitz__ vista [03:41] schestowitz__ then open putty [03:41] schestowitz__ ssh to debian [03:41] schestowitz__ instead of just debian-to-debian [03:41] schestowitz__ 5 levels of indirection [03:41] schestowitz__ so-called 'security' [03:41] schestowitz__ with horrible proprietary crap in between [03:41] schestowitz__ last year we shut down that windows vm [03:41] schestowitz__ nobody was using it [03:41] MinceR suits love this approach [03:42] schestowitz__ count the threats [03:42] schestowitz__ windows vm [03:42] schestowitz__ windows vista [03:42] schestowitz__ some proprietary remote support crap [03:42] schestowitz__ and putty [03:42] MinceR presumably they get some kickbacks and get to blame proprietary vendors for the inevitable breaches [03:42] schestowitz__ instead of just one: openssh [03:42] MinceR and probably don't think they have anything of value that would be copied or corrupted by an attacker [03:43] MinceR (then again, considering how suits work, the things they do probably helps move things in this direction anyway) [03:43] schestowitz__ iirc, you also worked for ge, indirectly [03:43] MinceR i did [03:43] schestowitz__ large military and nuke contractor :/ [03:43] schestowitz__ public sector is better [03:43] MinceR GE is in the public sector :> [03:44] schestowitz__ ombudsman, town halls, nhs... [03:44] schestowitz__ fewer suits, I assume.. [03:44] MinceR oh, wait, i mixed it up [03:44] MinceR sorry, it's obviously private [03:44] MinceR i wouldn't want to work for the government here [03:44] schestowitz__ grifting [03:44] MinceR it's incredibly corrupt [03:44] schestowitz__ the US has no public sector [03:44] MinceR especially since 2010 [03:44] schestowitz__ it privatiser everything [03:44] schestowitz__ they call it "franchising" [03:45] DaemonFC[m] GE took over and ruined RCA. [03:45] schestowitz__ "Jobbik creators!" [03:45] MinceR basically even if a corporation manages to get a business deal with this government, you can tell that corporation is close to the state party [03:45] DaemonFC[m] They had been reeling from a series of bad investments in the 60s and 70s. [03:45] MinceR they don't allow for any sort of productive competition [03:45] DaemonFC[m] Including trying to compete with IBM's mainframe division. [03:45] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: That's how you succeed. [03:46] MinceR yes, in a corrupt state [03:46] MinceR then again, i doubt anything else is left on this cursed globe [03:46] DaemonFC[m] Become too big to fail. Get bailouts. Government contracts. Like Microsoft. Claim you love open source, but it has a lot of security problems only you, the maker of the OS with all of the millions of worms over the last few decades, can provide for it. [03:46] schestowitz__ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19800078 [03:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: LOL. "AI smart"... not enough... add MOAR #buzzwords https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/01/05/bhi260ap-ai-smart-sensor-with-built-in-imu-by-bosch-sensortec/ [03:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cnx-software.com | BHI260AP is an AI smart sensor with built-in IMU by Bosch Sensortec [03:46] MinceR at least the USA maintains token competition [03:47] MinceR crApple for microshit, AMD for intel [03:47] MinceR hungary makes no such pretenses [03:47] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft supports the "responsible" usage of open source. [03:47] DaemonFC[m] It has security problems that need to be "managed". [03:47] schestowitz__ we lost "source code" [03:47] schestowitz__ says Microsoft [03:47] DaemonFC[m] Windows has never had any, you know. [03:47] schestowitz__ as if to imply [03:47] schestowitz__ that source code must be secret [03:47] DaemonFC[m] They didn't lose source code, Roy. [03:47] schestowitz__ and if leaked, it's then a security disk [03:47] MinceR lol [03:47] schestowitz__ *risk [03:47] DaemonFC[m] It's not like they woke up one day and it's like "Where did our source code go?". [03:48] DaemonFC[m] The Russians found it! Made more of it. [03:48] DaemonFC[m] They'll be inspecting it for weaponized flaws. [03:48] schestowitz__ sounds like... hmmm.,.. free software [03:48] schestowitz__ except we don't have to HIDE ours [03:48] schestowitz__ anyway... [03:48] DaemonFC[m] da comrade! [03:48] *tr_guest|50651 (75ce192c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.117.206.25.44) has joined #techrights [03:48] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2020/08/18/microsoft-graft/ [03:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | With Help From Donald Trump, Microsoft is Plundering and Looting the American Taxpayers, Then Gloating About It | Techrights [03:48] schestowitz__ "success" [03:49] schestowitz__ it's who you know [03:49] schestowitz__ not what you accomplish [03:49] schestowitz__ money begets more money http://techrights.org/2020/10/25/donald-trump-and-bill-gates/ [03:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Donald Trump Helped Bill Gates Increase His Wealth by More Than 50%, Especially During the Pandemic | Techrights [03:51] DaemonFC[m] Oh god. Could you imagine what would even become of this place if Trump had another four years? [03:51] DaemonFC[m] I fear for what he'll do in the next 15 days. [03:51] DaemonFC[m] Whatever it is it'll be worse than bad enough. [03:52] DaemonFC[m] And there's so many idiots who saw what was unfolding, decided that it was just too horrific to acknowledge, like mom and dad, and decided to vote for this guy again. [03:53] schestowitz__ cults [03:53] schestowitz__ and social media [03:53] schestowitz__ social control [03:53] DaemonFC[m] They didn't want it to happen, they didn't want to feel responsible in any way for it, so they simply refused to "believe" that our country was anything less than "great again". [03:53] schestowitz__ with almost 30 trillion in debt [03:53] schestowitz__ yay. maga [03:53] schestowitz__ great like those 6 trump companies [03:54] schestowitz__ great loan ya got there, matey [03:54] DaemonFC[m] These are like the Germans who kept ignoring Hitler no matter what he did lately, until Germany was in ruins and they were living in occupied rubble. [03:54] DaemonFC[m] Russia has committed acts of war and we've got Trump up there going "Who knows who did it? Who knows? Could be anyone?". [03:55] DaemonFC[m] This is unbearable. Each day I have to remind myself it'll be over soon. He'll be gone in like a bit over two weeks. [03:57] DaemonFC[m] It's been 4 years of oh god is it over yet. Nope. Still happening. ● Jan 05 [04:00] schestowitz__ Trump was great... for the rich [04:00] schestowitz__ legalising their tax crimes [04:00] schestowitz__ aka "tax breaks" [04:00] schestowitz__ and the corporate media went easy on him... re taxes [04:01] schestowitz__ it was focusing on other aspects [04:01] schestowitz__ maybe to divide the population [04:01] schestowitz__ while the rich get vastly richer and buy the media [04:01] schestowitz__ paying salaries to perpetuate those sorts of distraction [04:01] schestowitz__ top 500 richest people got 1,800,000,000,000 dollars richer last year [04:01] schestowitz__ but look away [04:02] schestowitz__ let's focus on "racist" statues [04:02] schestowitz__ if only we removed them all, things will be Great Again [04:02] schestowitz__ "I cannot buy food for my kids, but the park I go to no longer had that piece of brass" [04:02] schestowitz__ *has [04:11] schestowitz__ looks like we're moving to Matrix [04:11] schestowitz__ after I had been pushing and they listened [04:11] schestowitz__ but tbh jabber was ok also [04:17] schestowitz__ just got a tip-drop [04:17] schestowitz__ re fosdem [04:17] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: if you want to cover intel leaks with me, let me know [04:17] schestowitz__ we would be better off having multiple takes on the leaks [04:22] *xvx has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [04:27] schestowitz__ https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2020q4/003145.html [04:27] schestowitz__ " [04:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.fosdem.org | [FOSDEM] Call for Participation: Legal & Policy Issues DevRoom at FOSDEM 2021 [04:27] schestowitz__ Diversity Statement [04:27] schestowitz__ ------------------- [04:27] schestowitz__ The organizers of this DevRoom are committed to increasing the [04:27] schestowitz__ diversity of the free software movement. To that end, our CFP process [04:27] schestowitz__ takes demographic information into account in order to build a program [04:27] schestowitz__ that features as many different voices and perspectives as possible. [04:27] schestowitz__ If you are comfortable doing so, please share any demographic [04:27] schestowitz__ information about yourself in the "Submission Notes". Such disclosure [04:27] schestowitz__ is not mandatory by any means. [04:27] schestowitz__ " [04:27] schestowitz__ Most of them are USians [04:27] schestowitz__ 60% [04:27] MinceR what a nice way of phrasing bigotry [04:28] schestowitz__ > FSFE has now 2 people as organisers of the legal fosdem devroom, before [04:28] schestowitz__ > it was organised by only 5 americans. [04:28] schestowitz__ Interesting. I will point this out. [04:28] schestowitz__ FSFE is largely sponsored by an American company, Google. [04:28] MinceR "we don't want to host your talk because you're white and/or male" [04:29] MinceR doesn't sound quite as nice, does it? [04:30] schestowitz__ - Richard Fontana, Senior Commercial Counsel, Red Hat [04:30] schestowitz__ - Matthias Kirschner, President, Free Software Foundation Europe [04:30] schestowitz__ - Bradley M. Kuhn, Policy Fellow and Hacker-in-Residence at Software [04:30] schestowitz__ Freedom [04:30] schestowitz__ Conservancy [04:30] schestowitz__ - Alexander Sander, FSFE Policy Coordinator [04:30] schestowitz__ - Karen M. Sandler, Executive Director of the Software Freedom [04:31] schestowitz__ Conservancy, [04:31] schestowitz__ Adjunct Lecturer-In-Law Columbia Law School [04:31] schestowitz__ who is Alexander Sander? [04:31] schestowitz__ Never heard of it before... [04:31] schestowitz__ MinceR: I believe in diversity [04:31] schestowitz__ of views [04:31] schestowitz__ if that translates into other forms of diversity, fine [04:31] schestowitz__ it should boil down to the message [04:31] schestowitz__ not identity [04:32] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2019/11/28/diversity-forms/ [04:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Diversity Comes in Many Forms | Techrights [04:33] schestowitz__ Maybe Microsoft SpiedIn has some info on Alexander Sander, [04:33] schestowitz__ but I don't want to check [04:33] schestowitz__ I'm very suspicious of FSFE these days [04:33] schestowitz__ they took Microsoft money, too [04:33] schestowitz__ I am going to write something about this [04:33] MinceR if people have interesting views, perhaps there's no need to refer to their race and/or gender as the reason for hosting their talks [04:34] MinceR if they don't, there's no "diversity of views" gained [04:34] schestowitz__ FOSDEM or FOSDEMerica? [04:35] schestowitz__ it also means companies like Microsoft will hire women [04:35] schestowitz__ and minorities [04:35] schestowitz__ as they become more valuable in getting talks [04:35] MinceR are quotas necessary to make that happen? [04:35] schestowitz__ and saturating the events with Microsoft talking points [04:35] MinceR after all, i keep hearing that women get paid less for the same job [04:35] schestowitz__ I think the 'problem' is exaggerated by corporations [04:35] schestowitz__ because they want to change NGOs [04:35] schestowitz__ to better suit their own objectives [04:36] schestowitz__ so they name-call [04:36] MinceR this sounds like it would make good economic sense for them to hire as many women as they can, regardless of quotas [04:36] schestowitz__ and then offer their 'solutions [04:36] MinceR because it would cost less to pay them [04:36] schestowitz__ which they sponsor [04:36] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/the-harassment-claims-in-full/ [04:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outreachy as Hush Money (Bribe) From Monopolies | Techrights [04:36] MinceR so why the quotas? [04:41] schestowitz__ can you proofread with me? [04:41] MinceR i can, but it's rather late so i'm more likely to miss errors now [04:45] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/01/04/fosdem-us/ [04:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | FOSDEM or FOSDEMerica? | Techrights [04:45] schestowitz__ better try than not try at all to catch errors [04:45] schestowitz__ I didn't go into the whole gender angle [04:45] schestowitz__ as it would distract from the main issue [04:45] schestowitz__ which is nationality [04:46] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. [04:47] schestowitz__ cool! [04:47] schestowitz__ give me a few minutes [04:47] schestowitz__ I'll show you slides [04:49] MinceR "After that blog," seems suspect, sounds more likely it was after a blog post, a sequence of multiple blog posts, or perhaps something happened to the blog? [04:51] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/intel2.png [04:51] MinceR "Some of them felt bad." feels a little unclear, but could be correct [04:51] schestowitz__ MinceR: where? [04:52] *schestowitz__ lacks context [04:52] MinceR "After that blog," is in the paragraph starting with "Proponents of Codes of Conduct in free software organizations see this as a giant conspiracy" [04:52] schestowitz__ wait [04:52] schestowitz__ maybe you read the older article [04:52] schestowitz__ not mine [04:52] MinceR "Some of them felt bad." is the last sentence of the paragraph starting with "The blog was syndicated on Planet Outreach, various other Planet sites and social media." [04:52] schestowitz__ the one to read is FOSDEM or FOSDEMerica? [04:52] MinceR oh. [04:53] schestowitz__ :-) [04:53] schestowitz__ but the other one is also relevant [04:53] MinceR never mind then :) [04:53] schestowitz__ I would not rewrite that older one as I am not the author [04:53] MinceR yeah, it was a bit weird [04:53] MinceR but i didn't suspect that there was another URL i should have considered :) [04:55] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: also http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/intel3.png [04:55] schestowitz__ MinceR: maybe you found the older one of interest regardless [04:55] schestowitz__ it's concerning [04:55] schestowitz__ because the author spent years in GSoC [04:55] schestowitz__ as a mentor [04:55] MinceR the period in "For a change." is not bold, and should be [04:57] MinceR i couldn't find anything else [04:59] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: [04:59] schestowitz__ > The full documents are now here for you, please do not share the link!you can now delete it ;-) [04:59] schestowitz__ before people who read your mail (spies) download that as well ;-) [04:59] schestowitz__ I'll take time to study is carefully with help from a close group. [04:59] schestowitz__ MinceR: is it needed to make the full stop bold too? [04:59] schestowitz__ I thought not [04:59] MinceR it would look more consistent [04:59] schestowitz__ ok, wait [04:59] MinceR after all, the entire sentence is emphasized ● Jan 05 [05:00] schestowitz__ done [05:00] MinceR :) [05:00] schestowitz__ now on to Intel [05:00] schestowitz__ you can find two slide links above [05:01] schestowitz__ watch what they deal with there.. [05:01] MinceR png files? [05:01] schestowitz__ I will integrate some comments from DaemonFC[m] (last night) [05:01] schestowitz__ MinceR: yes, could be jpeg [05:03] MinceR i don't really have context for the slides [05:04] DaemonFC[m] What are these in regards to? [05:05] DaemonFC[m] They're really terse with these slides. [05:06] *tr_guest|50651 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [05:14] MinceR (cat) https://i.imgur.com/bYXI0WM.jpg [05:18] schestowitz__ do you want the full presentation? [05:18] schestowitz__ I can pass it privately [05:19] schestowitz__ better yet: [05:19] schestowitz__ I will show you the draft of my post [05:19] schestowitz__ it adds some context [05:19] schestowitz__ then you can add quotes on top [05:19] MinceR i should really go to sleep :) [05:23] schestowitz__ https://medium.com/swlh/what-is-dx-developer-experience-401a0e44a9d9 [05:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What Is DX? (Developer Experience) | by Albert Cavalcante | The Startup | Medium [05:24] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: around and about? [05:24] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. [05:24] DaemonFC[m] These slides are out of context. [05:24] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/01/05/intel-hard-facts/ [05:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks Part IV: At Intel, Developer Experience Mean Lots of Microsoft, Surveillance and Proprietary Software | Techrights [05:24] schestowitz__ it is very crude [05:25] schestowitz__ I have not even PREVIEWED it yet [05:27] schestowitz__ the slides are what's important [05:27] schestowitz__ see if it's coherent at least [05:27] schestowitz__ at the end we'll likely publish the raw documents in full [05:28] MinceR ah yes, this sort of bullshit plagues every corporation i've seen from the inside [05:29] MinceR the constant push to force broken proprietary shit on engineers [05:30] schestowitz__ I made some corrections [05:30] schestowitz__ inc title [05:30] schestowitz__ wait till I get to CoC [05:30] schestowitz__ and zdnet [05:30] schestowitz__ it'll be a fun series [05:30] MinceR :> [05:34] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: still there? [05:35] schestowitz__ Incel Corp. [05:35] schestowitz__ "we love women" [05:35] schestowitz__ (And Linux) [05:35] schestowitz__ esp. WSL [05:35] schestowitz__ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel [05:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Incel - Wikipedia [05:48] *abarr (~aplsm@KD113148020047.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) has joined #techrights [05:55] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: anyway, it's done now [05:55] schestowitz__ side note, quoteworthy, but definitely NOT for an article: "because its competitor, ARM, is said to have at least one whole team of full-time lawyers under the supervision of a former software developer working furiously to fight the GPL in any way they can and especially to see if they can remove it from software. Such was the case a few years ago, can only predict that it is the same or worse now." [05:55] schestowitz__ (only for IRC) [05:55] schestowitz__ Seems like some people in Intel might be suffering a similar problem [05:56] schestowitz__ in regards to using non-Microsoft [05:56] schestowitz__ The ARM angle might need separate leaks [05:56] schestowitz__ and maybe even culprits named [05:56] schestowitz__ for now, ARM (soon NVIDIA :/ even more anti-GPL) is one alternative we do have [05:56] DaemonFC[m] I was reading it. [05:57] DaemonFC[m] I think that Intel has every reason to move closer to Microsoft's products. [05:57] schestowitz__ this is what they do [05:57] DaemonFC[m] At least from their point of view, Microsoft is the big fish as risk of escaping their pond. [05:57] schestowitz__ even MSVS and ShitHub [05:57] DaemonFC[m] And if they make successful Windows on ARM products, soon all the OEMs will. [05:57] schestowitz__ without Windows, Intel can collapse [05:57] schestowitz__ x86 in general [05:57] schestowitz__ so AMD also has much to lose [05:58] DaemonFC[m] So it follows that Intel needs to position their CPU/GPU lineup to run Windows very well. [05:58] schestowitz__ I don't think ARM matters to Microsoft and vice versa [05:58] schestowitz__ the x86 monoculture helped Windows [05:58] schestowitz__ not that's ending [05:58] DaemonFC[m] I've noticed that they're scrambling to do the kind of QA work on their drivers that they never cared much about before, on Windows at least. [05:59] schestowitz__ I focus on the angle of Intel's betrayal [05:59] schestowitz__ and faked "love" [05:59] schestowitz__ on the server side [05:59] schestowitz__ though many gnu/linux laptops can also dump x86, e.g. chromebooks [05:59] schestowitz__ some chromebooks have been arm-based for years ● Jan 05 [06:01] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, on Chrome OS is doesn't matter too much, I guess. But is there a Linux Container on the Mediatek versions? [06:02] DaemonFC[m] Lenovo uses Mediatek ARM SoCs on Chromebooks now and I don't know that there's a Linux Container. [06:02] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/imadsousou/status/1181302521039482882 [06:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@imadsousou: Ive decided to leave Intel. I am honored to have built the Intel Open Source Technology Center (OTC) with the most https://t.co/eQrlITFT3w [06:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@imadsousou: Ive decided to leave Intel. I am honored to have built the Intel Open Source Technology Center (OTC) with the most https://t.co/eQrlITFT3w [06:02] DaemonFC[m] I don't think that Intel has any plans to stop supporting Linux. [06:03] DaemonFC[m] They did just completely rewrite the graphics driver from the ground up to support Gallium3d. [06:03] DaemonFC[m] Much of the Classic Mesa infrastructure had been around for years, basically just for them. [06:03] DaemonFC[m] So they were maintaining a lot more than just rewriting the damned driver. [06:08] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:10] schestowitz__ iirc, there was a move to make code for windows and linux in the same base [06:10] schestowitz__ and red hat x hackers complained [06:11] schestowitz__ saying it would make a mess with this "unified" code [06:11] schestowitz__ hard to maintain [06:11] *swaggboi has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [06:11] schestowitz__ David? [06:12] *cubeman_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [06:12] *cubeman_ (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [06:12] schestowitz__ "ZDNet [is] incorrect about Intel adoption of CoC" [06:12] schestowitz__ Ha! thanks! [06:12] schestowitz__ Not sure if you will find any more interesting info but I didn't like the push for Microsoft stuff... [06:19] schestowitz__ I'm sorting my notes [06:19] schestowitz__ lots more to show about Intel [06:20] schestowitz__ it'll be interesting to see if they start some media charm offensive soon [06:20] schestowitz__ as is common when they need a distraction [06:20] schestowitz__ to keep people away from the facts [06:20] schestowitz__ EPO and IBM do that [06:49] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [06:52] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I thought it was pretty lousy of IBM to send all of the Lotus Symphony code to Apache to rot. [06:52] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: My attorney was having trouble getting a document. She said "I hate Microsoft 365!". [06:53] DaemonFC[m] I mentioned that I use LibreOffice because it's free, compatible, and I too can't stand "cloud" or Microsoft Office. [06:53] DaemonFC[m] I haven't used Microsoft Office since Office 95. [06:54] DaemonFC[m] I actually really did like Office 95, but then 97 came out and it had all of that IE horseshit and didn't work on my modified version of Windows 98. [06:54] DaemonFC[m] So I never bothered to update, and then switched to Star. [06:55] *schestowitz (~schestowi@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [06:55] *schestowitz has quit (Changing host) [06:55] *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights ● Jan 05 [07:00] *schestowitz__ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [07:06] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:06] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [07:32] schestowitz just made a 42-minute video about zdnet [07:32] schestowitz maybe today too it'll take half a day to upload it :/ [07:33] schestowitz [06:52] schestowitz__: My attorney was having trouble getting a document. She said "I hate Microsoft 365!". [07:33] schestowitz so why use it? ● Jan 05 [08:02] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [08:14] *mcole (~sdfsidjf@KD113148020047.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) has joined #techrights ● Jan 05 [09:31] schestowitz just did another video, this one re qt licensing changes [09:48] schestowitz https://robertreich.org/post/639423804206120960 [09:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-robertreich.org | Robert Reich (Defeating McConnell: The Real Stakes of the...) ● Jan 05 [10:03] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [10:18] *abarr has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [10:18] vZS1 https://www.businesstelegraph.co.uk/class-action-alleges-coinbase-acted-unlawfully-and-fraudulently-in-listing-xrp-coingeek/ [10:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesstelegraph.co.uk | Class action alleges Coinbase acted unlawfully and fraudulently in listing XRP - CoinGeek - Business Telegraph [10:19] schestowitz look up coinbase wikileaks [10:19] schestowitz if you don't already know [10:19] schestowitz later they did the same to groups other than wikileaks [10:19] schestowitz coinbase should be blacklisted among those who know better [10:21] vZS1 > coinbase should be blacklisted among those who know better [10:21] vZS1 Agreed [10:22] vZS1 It's (Coinbase) part of the cabal [10:22] vZS1 Might be worth adding this to the TR wiki [10:30] *kgz has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [10:39] schestowitz if you get a list of press reports [10:39] schestowitz we can then make up a page [10:40] *kgz (~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu) has joined #techrights [10:42] schestowitz https://speedtest.btwholesale.com/details says upload 0 [10:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://speedtest.btwholesale.com/details ) [10:42] schestowitz i did it thrice [10:42] schestowitz d/w 2.3mb [10:46] vZS1 You need to file a complaint. I'm sure that's far less than advertised. [10:46] vZS1 That's illegal [10:46] Techrights-sec Speedtest sites may not give accurate results. Many home ISPs prioritized [10:46] Techrights-sec ttraffic to known speedtests and the true values are only known by testing [10:46] Techrights-sec on ohter sites. [10:47] schestowitz ipfs stats bw [10:47] schestowitz Bandwidth [10:47] schestowitz TotalIn: 16 GB [10:47] schestowitz TotalOut: 7.1 GB [10:47] schestowitz that's 7 upload/upstream, right [10:47] schestowitz ? [10:47] vZS1 Yeah [10:48] vZS1 Some households use that much in an hour [10:48] schestowitz 1gb/day [10:48] schestowitz the usual [10:48] vZS1 You should definitely contact your ISP [10:48] vZS1 If they don't play nice just switch provider. There will be an alternative. Plenty in the UK [10:49] vZS1 I get about 3 annoying me every month to switch to them [10:49] schestowitz maybe they will just waste time [10:49] schestowitz reboot this, that [10:49] schestowitz It has only been this bad for maybe 30 hours, so I hope it'll solve itself. Maybe some exchange died somewhere, slowing down upload speeds until they repair it. Many things are possible and I really hate phoning some truly useless and powerless call centre that just follows manuals and won't lift a finger. [10:49] schestowitz the whole tenability of making video is at stake though. There's no workaround, no pigeons for me to send with CD-ROM containing videos across the pond. [10:50] schestowitz One MB in 6 minutes [10:51] schestowitz let me try from another PC... [10:58] schestowitz pr same speed [10:59] schestowitz wife cannot use voip [10:59] schestowitz it cut off a lo [10:59] schestowitz lot ● Jan 05 [11:00] schestowitz I really need to sort this out [11:01] schestowitz http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146048 [11:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slackware-Based Slackel 7.4 Released with Linux Kernel 5.10 LTS, Full Portability | Tux Machines [11:01] schestowitz http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146109 [11:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slackware-Based Puppy Linux 7.0 Adds UEFI Boot Support, Many Improvements | Tux Machines [11:04] schestowitz attempting upload to london (my personal site) [11:04] schestowitz very slow as well [11:35] *Disconnected (Network is unreachable). 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[11:53] Tcl interface unloaded [11:53] Python interface unloaded [11:57] *Now talking on #techrights [11:57] *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell [11:57] *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 [11:57] *schestowitz (~schestowi@host81-154-170-145.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:57] *schestowitz has quit (Changing host) [11:57] *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [11:57] *asusbox (~rianne@host81-154-170-145.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:58] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@host81-154-170-145.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:58] schestowitz just lodged a formal complaint with my ISP. they make it hard to do so, but they frame the issue as a financial one (upgrade) rather than technical and they don't know what's wrong [11:59] *libertybox (~schestowi@host81-154-170-145.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Jan 05 [12:08] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [12:10] schestowitz they have just phoned to tell me my contract does not guarantee upload speeds [12:10] schestowitz contradicting what was said to me on the phone (very long call) the first time aroudn [12:10] schestowitz amazing [12:11] *vZS1 (~vZS1@92.40.173.203.threembb.co.uk) has joined #techrights [12:11] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-170-145.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:13] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-170-145.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:13] psydroid I can see this ending up in a series of articles about ISPs and the politics going on behind the scenes [12:14] schestowitz I did those ages ago [12:14] schestowitz around 2014 or 2015 [12:14] schestowitz I hope not again [12:14] schestowitz because it took up dozens of wastes hours [12:14] schestowitz that I could otherwise, at the time, cover EPO corruption [12:15] schestowitz and it lasted like half a year [12:15] schestowitz I had to argue with them today about who owns the line [12:15] schestowitz and what openreach means to BT [12:15] schestowitz you can imagine where it was going [12:15] schestowitz anyway, after a while they reveal that I can in fact open a complaint [12:15] schestowitz an open they hide until an hour on the line [12:15] schestowitz and they will phone again tomorrow at midday [12:16] schestowitz I am not here, after two rebooted (you can see 6 computers going offline and online) [12:16] schestowitz trying to see if I can work around the issue somehow [12:16] schestowitz he also lied about the test at his end not disconnecting me [12:16] schestowitz I told him not to [12:16] schestowitz he said not to worry, it won't disconnect [12:16] schestowitz but of course it did [12:17] schestowitz not I have a checklist to go through to restore services [12:17] schestowitz Restarted IP Cisco phone [12:17] schestowitz (for work) [12:18] schestowitz RasPi: access over SSH, run stuff in path.sh to start IPFS, then connect remotely to it [12:18] schestowitz Main machine: restart two IRC clients [12:18] schestowitz Connect again to Raspi/other machines [12:18] schestowitz those are just half the tasks [12:18] schestowitz the rest is a bit too personal tp paste [12:20] schestowitz I now have to restart the webm upload :/ [12:20] schestowitz after 5 hours of upload elapsed [12:20] schestowitz no option to resume after a router powercycle [12:20] schestowitz of course upload speed is still laughable [12:22] Techrights-sec The law or regulations migt have obligatory requirements. [12:27] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.111) has joined #techrights [12:31] psydroid I wish symmetric fiber internet connections were available everywhere, but it's taking a long time here too [12:40] schestowitz yeah [12:40] schestowitz I did tell them assymetric speeds like these are insane, like 100 times faster for download [12:41] schestowitz cannot even do a voip call [12:44] psydroid that's absurd, as even I have a residential 30/3 mbps connection here and that's probably a higher upload speed than what you are getting [12:50] schestowitz http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-040121.html#tJan%2004%2002:24:42 [12:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Monday, January 04, 2021 [12:50] schestowitz # https://medium.com/@nusenu/how-malicious-tor-relays-are-exploiting-users-in-2020-part-i-1097575c0cac [12:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nusenu.medium.com | How Malicious Tor Relays are Exploiting Users in 2020 (Part I) | by nusenu | Medium [12:50] schestowitz x https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/4/22212817/microsoft-windows-10-visual-changes-update-sun-valley-2021 [12:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Microsoft planning sweeping visual rejuvenation of Windows - The Verge [12:50] schestowitz # further losing traction in the market ● Jan 05 [13:02] schestowitz vZS1: just tried again [13:02] schestowitz voip is unworkable [13:02] schestowitz so no phonecalls now [13:02] schestowitz can that be partly dues to throttling with ipfs in mind? [13:03] schestowitz it only does 1gb/day upstream [13:03] schestowitz 2 downstream [13:03] schestowitz https://mastodon.social/@glynmoody/105498282097513489 [13:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Glyn Moody: "Raffensperger acknowledges potential criminal inv" - Mastodon [13:19] *vZS1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:19] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [13:21] *abarr (~aplsm@KD113148020047.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) has joined #techrights [13:27] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [13:28] *vZS1_2 (~vZS1_2@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [13:30] vZS1_2 schestowitz: highly unlikely it's throttling. Plenty of people use IPFS just fine. [13:30] *olban (~olban@213.152.161.133) has joined #techrights [13:30] vZS1_2 This is more your ISP being a dickwad [13:34] vZS1_2 schestowitz: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/advice-for-consumers/broadband-uso-need-to-know [13:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ofcom.org.uk | Your right to request a decent broadband service: What you need to know - Ofcom [13:35] vZS1_2 " [13:35] vZS1_2 From 20 March 2020, if you cant get a download speed of 10 Mbit/s and an upload speed of 1 Mbit/s, you can request an upgraded connection. [13:35] vZS1_2 " ● Jan 05 [14:37] schestowitz aha [14:37] schestowitz good [14:49] schestowitz I will mention this tomorrow [14:49] schestowitz they're scheduled to phone m [14:49] schestowitz *me/us [14:49] schestowitz the connection is still too slow upstream, it's not improving [14:50] schestowitz or barely (I now transfer over the command line to monitor speeds) [14:50] DaemonFC[m] Torvalds says you got twice the cpu for five times the money with an Intel Xeon so he always used their consumer lineup. [14:50] DaemonFC[m] The Xeons were mainly different in that they supported ECC RAM. [14:51] DaemonFC[m] But Apple didn't use ECC RAM in the Mac Pro, and the FirePro graphics cards were just RadeonHD with the firmware set to lie if you asked it. [14:51] DaemonFC[m] No ECC RAM in those either. [14:52] DaemonFC[m] Apple's always been cut rate on the hardware and who cares if it performs well or not. Absolutely no fan noise will be tolerated. [14:53] vZS1_2 The UPS I have has quite a loud fan, when it turns on. I guess Apple wouldn't approve. [14:53] DaemonFC[m] So Intel's frequency scaling was broken on the Macs anyway. They set it to run at a low clock speed so that it wouldn't make noise. [14:53] schestowitz cults [14:53] schestowitz like a little sound is heresy [14:54] DaemonFC[m] There's always a nasty surprise when you buy a Mac, and this time it's a bizarre CPU that nothing supports. [14:54] schestowitz vZS1_2: my strategy is, I will keep up the pressure on them [14:54] schestowitz their team leaders has already had it escalated to him, and I speak to a UK call centre (home), not overseas one [14:54] DaemonFC[m] Expensive Chromebook, basically. [14:54] vZS1_2 >my strategy is, I will keep up the pressure on them [14:55] vZS1_2 You should. You have a right. This is a regulated industry. [14:55] DaemonFC[m] They don't care much about anything except their web browser and the app store. [14:55] DaemonFC[m] I do wonder how long you'll be able to run the real Chrome or Firefox on macOS. [14:55] schestowitz they say they cannot change the config because it's automated... but this is your goddamned equipment [14:56] schestowitz some people stream HD over it, all day long... like that DRM netflix thing [14:56] vZS1_2 That's not your problem. That's their problem. They're obliged to give you a certain level of service. [14:56] DaemonFC[m] I mean, Mozilla ported it to the M1, which obviously is a higher priority for them than Linux, where it's the default web browser. They have their priorities wrong. [14:56] vZS1_2 Details are irrelevant. [14:56] vZS1_2 You don't get minimum obligation, you get them into trouble. [14:56] DaemonFC[m] Because not supporting Linux well encourages people to see it as another crappy bundled browser, like Internet Explorer or Safari. [14:57] DaemonFC[m] You go to load a page, it's broken. The page says to get Chrome. [14:58] vZS1_2 DaemonFC[m]: I saw some "comments" on the Tor browser blog about M1. It looked staged to me. [14:58] DaemonFC[m] On Safari on iOS you get more support than Firefox from websites because Apple uses anticompetitive practices to force everyone to use Safari [14:58] DaemonFC[m] I can't imagine that Apple will be building CPUs that don't end up having hardware bugs. [14:58] vZS1_2 Just looked like an absurd M1 plug. [14:59] DaemonFC[m] Most non-x86 CPUs had the same sort of side channel attacks. [14:59] DaemonFC[m] Including MIPS ones that nobody has supported in years. ● Jan 05 [15:01] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft will not be able to successfully transition away from x86. Their UWP and Windows Store strategy didn't work. [15:02] MinceR (audio) https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_qmd3h6kV1R1sjcnrz.mp4 [15:02] DaemonFC[m] A lot of UWP was designed to hide complexities from the user and make Windows software more portable, by it has not been accepted. Most likely, to Intel's delight because if they can't get the store going and can't shove platform-specific binaries to people transparently, then they'll just keep compiling for x86 and nothing changes. [15:02] MinceR they have another strategy [15:03] MinceR they're taking over Linux, maybe they'll somehow get systemd too [15:03] vZS1_2 MinceR: IBM already beat them to it. [15:03] MinceR how long will IBM suits be able to resist their urge to sell it off, though? [15:04] vZS1_2 As long as they can keep convincing investors to buy/hold their shares. [15:04] MinceR "oops, i accidentally sold off the personal computing division" [15:04] MinceR "oops, i accidentally sold off the data storage division" [15:04] MinceR "oops, i accidentally sold off red hat" [15:05] vZS1_2 Microsoft is still trying to hold on to the idea that people pay for software. That business model is dead in the water. [15:06] DaemonFC[m] IBM has been dismantling itself for years. I don't think their PC division was losing money, they just lost interest and sold it for quick cash. [15:06] MinceR they're still the government-approved gatekeepers of the x86 OS market [15:06] DaemonFC[m] Like the Chicago parking meter scandal. [15:07] DaemonFC[m] CEOs are like politicians that aren't going to be around when the results of what they do set in. [15:07] DaemonFC[m] So like politicians who say we'll take pension funding holidays and sell the parking meters to Citibank, it made sense to sell their PC business to Lenovo. [15:07] DaemonFC[m] Lots of profit that quarter. [15:08] vZS1_2 IBM gets to steer the "consumer" GNU/Linux because they've got all the nice parts at their disposal. systemd, podman, etc.. [15:08] MinceR the redmond mafia is also trying to make people believe that "Linux" is actually WSL on Backdoors10 [15:09] vZS1_2 lol [15:09] DaemonFC[m] I laughed when RMS said that he was having a hard time criticizing a bank robber because of decades of sitting there watching banks rob the public with no consequences. [15:09] vZS1_2 Man has a point [15:10] *vZS1_2 has quit (Quit: vZS1_2) [15:13] schestowitz lol [15:19] schestowitz vZS1: the connection has gotten slightly faster [15:19] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/decisions [15:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Decisions [15:19] schestowitz as much uploaded since before my nap (2 hours ago) as between 7am and the time they disconnected to test (about 5 hours) [15:19] *vZS1_2 (~vZS1_2@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [15:19] schestowitz so about 35mb upstream, per hour [15:20] schestowitz aside from ipfs [15:20] schestowitz (unless it's doing it using the CLI that speeds things up a bit) [15:20] DaemonFC[m] Walmart is running low on groceries again. [15:20] DaemonFC[m] The news talks about where to vacation at. [15:21] DaemonFC[m] It's not meant for you, that's for damned sure. It's a gigantic gaslighting operation. Nothing to see. Move along. [15:22] *schestowitz wants to craft a script to automatically script video uploads to the server [15:22] DaemonFC[m] It's looking about 60% closer to April than a fully stocked store. [15:22] *schestowitz sure it was done by many people before [15:22] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: we're going to lockdown for a month [15:22] schestowitz I've not left the house for 14 days now [15:22] schestowitz a new record [15:23] schestowitz going into lockdown again [15:23] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:23] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: rianne says walmart might be low on items because people panic-buy or hoard [15:23] schestowitz which, let's face it, hard to blame some [15:28] DaemonFC[m] It is, but this whole thing is depressing. It didn't have to get this bad. It could get better in a matter of weeks if Trump wasn't still at it claiming the virus is overblown and that doctors are lying to people to make him look bad. [15:29] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:29] DaemonFC[m] There's no reason to make him look bad. He's a criminal. He's a fucktard. He's got 15 days left in office. [15:29] DaemonFC[m] The doctors have absolutely no reason to lie. [15:35] vZS1_2 I just realised that KIRC interprets C-j as newline instead of CR. [15:36] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I think the reason mom doesn't really care if Mandy's immigration case works out is that misery loves company. [15:36] DaemonFC[m] So I've been too depressed to shop for groceries even, for the most part. [15:36] vZS1_2 I got so used to stty(1) with "inlcr" that I forgot it wasn't supposed to be like this. [15:36] DaemonFC[m] I feel like I'm on my own in a world that's falling apart, and so it takes a toll on mental health, and then you go try to talk to people and nobody cares. [15:37] DaemonFC[m] Maybe the answer is if this falls apart go oh well I tried and then become cold and detached, for the rest of my life. [15:39] DaemonFC[m] Seems like how everyone is dealing with this. I've never seen such depravity on display. The worst crisis to ever hit and people just go oh well who cares, isn't me yet. [15:39] DaemonFC[m] Maybe Congress will send me a few hundred bucks. [15:43] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [15:44] DaemonFC[m] I was listening to NPR talk about how much the states are fucking up vaccine administration. [15:44] DaemonFC[m] Some states have only given 20-30% of the doses they've received so far. [15:44] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/antedilution [15:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Antedilution [15:45] DaemonFC[m] They anticipated that they would offer them and all of the healthcare workers would take them, and then only half do and they have a bunch of doses laying around that nobody wanted. [15:46] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: she voted for a criminal [15:46] schestowitz who blackmails officials to commit election fraud [15:47] schestowitz and in ukraine to open bogus, phony cases against a political rival [15:47] schestowitz [15:44] I was listening to NPR talk about how much the states are fucking up vaccine administration.\ [15:47] schestowitz NPR is Gated-bribed [15:47] schestowitz and they have defamed Gates critics [15:48] schestowitz without even disclosing that Gates is their sponsor [15:48] schestowitz then they blocked (in Twitter) people who merely pointed this out [15:48] schestowitz For now, we don't even know if those vaccines are effective (in any/all cases) [15:48] schestowitz set aside concerns about risks [15:53] vZS1_2 Someone I know, who works for the NHS, told me that the Oxford vaccine costs 3 and that the Pfizer vaccine costs 28 (per dose). [15:53] vZS1_2 Almost 10 times as expensive. [15:53] vZS1_2 That's pretty ridiculous [15:55] DaemonFC[m] Well, they were saying 94% effectiveness and that most people developed protective antibodies 10 days after the first dose. [15:56] DaemonFC[m] But a week in, 48 people who had been given the first shot contracted the disease at a hospital party (really?) where someone was wearing a "costume with a fan in it". [15:56] schestowitz who is they? [15:56] schestowitz The company? [15:56] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. [15:56] schestowitz lol [15:56] schestowitz tell me when we have good data [15:57] vZS1_2 I am willing to distribute concrete statistics [15:57] DaemonFC[m] Literally nobody should have thought it was a good idea to have a Christmas party in a hospital with someone wearing a costume with a fan in it. [15:57] schestowitz you can calculate how much money Billy makes from the whole thing [15:57] DaemonFC[m] These idiots are the health experts, too. Scary. [15:57] schestowitz a patent monopoly basically [15:57] schestowitz and TV puts him on like an expert [15:57] schestowitz talk about how to put people off and incite them against vaccination... [15:58] DaemonFC[m] https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/05/us/loeffler-ossoff-warnock-perdue [15:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Loeffler, Perdue, Ossoff and Warnock Runoff News: Live Tracker - The New York Times [15:58] DaemonFC[m] Very low early voting rate in the most conservative counties. [15:59] DaemonFC[m] "Worrying some Republicans." [15:59] schestowitz we already have reports of people getting COVID (and dying) after taking the viagra company's vaccine [15:59] DaemonFC[m] Well, what do you expect? Letting Trump say fake and corrupt election to the only people listening to him, Republican voters, and not correcting him. [15:59] DaemonFC[m] Then you wonder why you might get wiped out. ● Jan 05 [16:00] DaemonFC[m] The Democrats invested the campaign money in all the wrong places. [16:00] DaemonFC[m] Senate races where it was like, you thought you could win in Kentucky.....' [16:01] DaemonFC[m] Now they have to hope they can win both seats in Georgia, which is unlikely. [16:01] DaemonFC[m] Although possible, I guess. [16:01] DaemonFC[m] Good luck trying to get Democratic voters who don't even seem to remember there is a Senate, to vote. [16:01] vZS1_2 If someone has statistics about the vaccine's efficacy, I am interested in reading. No articles, just official reports. [16:02] schestowitz who needs data? [16:02] schestowitz I saw articles [16:02] schestowitz about tom hanks [16:02] schestowitz obama [16:02] schestowitz bush [16:02] schestowitz and chums [16:02] schestowitz and lots of promotional marketing spam about "first person to receive" vaccine [16:02] MinceR no gates? [16:02] schestowitz that's a lot better than statistical data [16:02] schestowitz celeb endorsement [16:03] schestowitz and "happy stories" [16:03] schestowitz about some random old person who took it and isn't dea [16:03] schestowitz *dead [16:03] schestowitz Google News had it on the front page when I checked [16:03] schestowitz and mentioned it in an article [16:03] schestowitz with "fact check" (marketing for vaccines) on the side bar [16:03] schestowitz it's rather nauseating [16:03] vZS1_2 I can't find any data. [16:03] *inky (~inky@141.136.77.118) has joined #techrights [16:04] schestowitz viagra company took so much taxpayers money [16:04] schestowitz it can emit 10% of it for media puff pieces [16:04] schestowitz and still have lots of cash rolling in [16:05] schestowitz vZS1_2: me neither [16:05] schestowitz but the vaccine is SO good [16:05] schestowitz that we lock down the whole natio n [16:05] schestowitz for 1-2 monhs [16:05] schestowitz it's really THAT promising [16:05] schestowitz like Christmas "back to normality"... Johnson, July 2020 [16:09] DaemonFC[m] This country is basically finished. -George Carlin, 2008 [16:09] vZS1_2 That's pretty much what's driving me around the bend as well [16:09] vZS1_2 If the vaccine is so good why on earth do we need a lockdown [16:10] schestowitz that was when the economy collapsed for good [16:10] schestowitz since then it has been a zombie, faking it [16:10] DaemonFC[m] Even if it was good, they're fucking up the delivery. [16:10] schestowitz see how national debt inflated since [16:10] schestowitz even prior to it with the oil wars post-9/11 [16:10] schestowitz they just kick the can down the road/street [16:10] DaemonFC[m] Playing Keystone Kops. Prioritizing people when they can't manage that and it would be better to give it to random people to at least administer what they have. [16:10] schestowitz covid19 exposed the ploy prematurely [16:11] schestowitz and the capital was robbed (asset-stripping) by the oligarchy of the West, like USSR decades earlier [16:11] DaemonFC[m] They're prioritizing people where half of them are refusing the vaccine. [16:11] DaemonFC[m] Then throwing out doses or scrambling to find random people to dose anyway. [16:12] DaemonFC[m] This would be laughable if anything about it was funny. [16:12] vZS1_2 More importantly [16:12] schestowitz they need confidence [16:12] schestowitz show data [16:12] schestowitz not celeb endorsement [16:12] schestowitz like tom hanks [16:12] schestowitz and george w bush, war criminal\ [16:12] vZS1_2 For the Assange trial, we have the judgement PDFs. We don't need the "news" [16:12] vZS1_2 Where the hell is the data for these vaccines [16:12] schestowitz i could find none (yet) [16:12] vZS1_2 I could also find none [16:13] DaemonFC[m] They should hang him. [16:13] schestowitz but the media has better things than data, which read like commercials [16:13] vZS1_2 And I don't think either of us are that incompetent at finding some bloody data [16:13] schestowitz if only 100 people received it... [16:13] schestowitz but not 100 million [16:13] DaemonFC[m] People make false equivalence between Trump and Clinton. [16:13] schestowitz btw, nations that gave it to many people still go into lockdown [16:13] DaemonFC[m] Like they were both bad so why does it matter. [16:13] schestowitz so they lack confidence in that strategy [16:14] vZS1_2 All I want for Christmas is data. But I got none. [16:17] vZS1_2 https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines [16:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.who.int | COVID-19 vaccines [16:17] vZS1_2 There's just a bunch of information about trials and frameworks for trials [16:17] vZS1_2 Nothing on efficacy [16:17] vZS1_2 Nothing that I could find, at least. [16:18] vZS1_2 " [16:18] vZS1_2 There are currently more than 50 COVID-19 vaccine candidates in trials. WHO is working in collaboration with scientists, business, and global health organizations through the ACT Accelerator to speed up the pandemic response. When a safe and effective vaccine is found, COVAX (led by WHO, GAVI and CEPI) will facilitate the equitable access and distribution of these vaccines to protect people in all countries. People most at risk will be pr [16:18] vZS1_2 " [16:18] vZS1_2 " While we work towards rolling out a safe and effective vaccine fairly, we must continue the essential public health actions to suppress transmission and reduce mortality." [16:19] MinceR CoVox [16:19] schestowitz WHO... [16:19] schestowitz I don't trust what they did in recent years [16:20] schestowitz taking money from vaccine interests [16:20] vZS1_2 All that aside [16:20] schestowitz which by WHO's own admission corrupts WHO [16:20] vZS1_2 Where is the data? [16:20] schestowitz FDa maybe [16:20] schestowitz some people vetoed the vaccines there [16:20] schestowitz and Trump loosened rules [16:20] schestowitz 'coz emergency' [16:20] schestowitz worse cases scenario there are long-term side effects [16:20] schestowitz lesser: the vaccines are useless [16:20] vZS1_2 "There are currently more than 50 COVID-19 vaccine candidates IN TRIALS" [16:21] vZS1_2 _IN TRIALS_ [16:21] vZS1_2 So where's the data for the trials even? [16:21] schestowitz in which case money down the drain and distraction from possible real and effective solution [16:21] schestowitz who are the trials on? [16:21] vZS1_2 The WHO page just looks like a puff piece page [16:21] schestowitz poor tribes? [16:21] schestowitz easy to get all cynical about it [16:21] vZS1_2 "Latest vaccine _news_" [16:22] schestowitz Bill Gates was quoted by the "media" as saying all the vaccines are good [16:22] schestowitz or something to that effect [16:22] schestowitz I can search it [16:22] schestowitz and Gates is a vaccine scientist, of course [16:22] schestowitz not a shareholder or something [16:22] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20121920 [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5110174) [16:22] vZS1_2 "Feature Stories" [16:22] schestowitz he didn't say if Sputnik-V is also good [16:22] schestowitz prof. Gates knows all [16:22] vZS1_2 "Multimedia" [16:22] schestowitz the media is all 'bill sez" [16:22] vZS1_2 But where "Data"? [16:23] vZS1_2 And this is the WHO. [16:23] vZS1_2 Not very encouraging [16:23] MinceR WHO, bought by red china [16:26] vZS1_2 In most countries, you need to at least put a little paper leaflet with statistics about the medication being sold. [16:26] vZS1_2 So where is that even, for these "vaccines" [16:26] vZS1_2 My rabies, hepatitis, etc. vaccines all came with these little leaflets [16:26] vZS1_2 But I haven't seen any for these COVID vaccines [16:27] schestowitz too easrly [16:27] schestowitz expedited [16:27] schestowitz no docs yet [16:27] schestowitz but pay up [16:27] schestowitz 100 million per month from taxpayers [16:27] schestowitz the docs will come "real soon" [16:27] schestowitz from the company [16:27] schestowitz not health ministries [16:28] DaemonFC[m] Approval by tweet. [16:29] schestowitz glorified tweet [16:29] schestowitz the biggest tweets [16:29] schestowitz big league [16:29] schestowitz trump tweet [16:29] schestowitz framed [16:29] schestowitz printed [16:29] schestowitz and presented to senate [16:29] schestowitz "this is safe" [16:29] schestowitz "look, I even printed a banner with a trump tweet on it" [16:29] schestowitz "40,000 likes" [16:30] schestowitz "and it was trending with a little text next to it, 'Sponsored by Pfizer"..." [16:30] schestowitz (Twitter sells "trending" placements... no kidding) [16:30] schestowitz So it's trending, but not really [16:30] schestowitz some things are "more trending" than others [16:30] schestowitz "click here to find out more" [16:30] schestowitz portal.twitter.com/products [16:31] *psydroid has the feeling the entire internet has become one big advertisement, so supposes the goals have finally been met [16:31] vZS1_2 We will see how effective these "vaccines" are by the end of 2021. [16:32] schestowitz hey [16:32] schestowitz "boris" said normality [16:32] schestowitz by xmas [16:32] schestowitz he didn't say which YEAR [16:35] MinceR :> [16:36] schestowitz vZS1_2 correctly asserted nationwide lockdown [16:36] schestowitz and was only 10 days 'off' [16:36] schestowitz said xmas/boxing day [16:36] schestowitz I think the latter [16:36] schestowitz it's effective today, jan 5th [16:36] schestowitz and for 1-2 months [16:36] vZS1_2 Yeah. I called boxing day [16:36] schestowitz upside is, for me, I still have my job [16:36] schestowitz downsize is, it's crush what's left of the economy [16:37] schestowitz I'll have more time to write [16:37] schestowitz no access to a local store to buy proper mic/cam [16:37] schestowitz and no access to a soldering kit I need for my raspi 4 [16:37] schestowitz but I can delay that [16:37] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [16:37] schestowitz we also need to do home repair, which will get complicated when people cannot enter the home [16:37] schestowitz again, not so critical [16:38] vZS1_2 You can't lock down an entire country for so long and expect things to be back to "normal" [16:38] schestowitz I had to assembly a washing machine myself last year, as you were not allowed to let installers inside the home (the older machine broke down) [16:38] schestowitz *assemble [16:38] schestowitz vZS1_2: it's too late now [16:38] vZS1_2 People are going to ignore the lockdown measures [16:38] schestowitz the people we know are unemployed an without hope [16:39] schestowitz people who must have physical access to do their job [16:39] schestowitz vZS1_2: boy johnson [16:39] schestowitz the boy who cried wolf [16:39] schestowitz the third time he calls lockdown people might not obey [16:39] schestowitz and then he calls for tougher measure [16:39] vZS1_2 I suspect there will be mass protests and riots very soon [16:39] schestowitz Mayor "water cannon" Johnson [16:39] schestowitz that was a giveaway of what an autocrat he was [16:40] vZS1_2 Possibly in the next 30-60 days [16:40] schestowitz and all his photo ops with criminal trump [16:40] schestowitz who blackmails officials to engage in election fraud... for HIM [16:40] vZS1_2 People's savings are running dry [16:40] schestowitz if they have any [16:40] vZS1_2 Indeed [16:40] schestowitz bank did a mortgage "holiday" [16:40] schestowitz not jubilee [16:40] schestowitz as if to tell us, "you'll be OK in a few months" [16:41] schestowitz our next door neighbour left [16:41] schestowitz I assume she lacked income [16:41] schestowitz the house was put on sale [16:41] schestowitz we bid [16:41] schestowitz they sellers cannot have their pro-covid prices/estimates met [16:41] schestowitz we bid very low [16:41] schestowitz selling one's house does not help [16:41] schestowitz people cannot get mortgages [16:41] schestowitz not with another lockdowns [16:42] vZS1_2 There is no universal support system to cope with this mass (suspension of|un)employment. [16:42] schestowitz the banks are corrupt, but not sicidal [16:42] schestowitz the gov. bails out Bill and Pfizer, not banks [16:42] schestowitz over the past 12 days I tried to withdraw my pension [16:42] schestowitz and they stonewall [16:42] vZS1_2 There will be mobs out on the streets if this lockdown persists for much longer [16:42] schestowitz or send template text [16:42] schestowitz or won't even answer my question [16:43] schestowitz or ask for papers I cannot provide due to lockdown [16:43] schestowitz that's like airlines a year ago [16:43] schestowitz making it harder to get refunds for flights [16:43] schestowitz seeing that shtf [16:43] vZS1_2 I get ads from airlines to buy tickets on a daily basis. It's just a sham, at this point. [16:43] schestowitz extended lockdown will give me more time (already 12 days of wasted docs) to drain them before they collapse [16:44] schestowitz vZS1_2: weird times, aye? [16:44] vZS1_2 Boris is playing with fire. He better be careful. [16:45] schestowitz I have done lots of holistic thinking the past year, as did many other people... about how the money is distributed, meaning of work, who the money is owed to, and what really goes on inside countries that don't speak about COVID [16:45] schestowitz I didn't expect the economy to collapse this fast... and overpopulation as catalyst for unemployment to become this severe so fast [16:45] schestowitz so the talk "bullshit jobs" [16:45] schestowitz many jobs have long been just that [16:45] schestowitz and now is the reckoning time [16:46] schestowitz iirc, "Boris" (Alex) is of Estonian descent [16:46] schestowitz and he might make us the next Belarus [16:46] schestowitz with riots over collapse of social order and political consent [16:47] schestowitz bullshitjobs https://www.c-span.org/video/?446716-2/bullshit-jobs [16:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-[Bullshit Jobs] | C-SPAN.org [16:47] vZS1_2 People are not consenting to these lockdowns. They're a knee-jerk reaction. But the tolerance is wearing thing very quick. [16:47] MinceR (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/19/bd23b72b3fa61489.mp4 [16:47] vZS1_2 s/thing/thin [16:48] schestowitz [16:47] People are not consenting to these lockdowns. They're a knee-jerk reaction. But the tolerance is wearing thing very quick. [16:48] schestowitz because prior ones evidently did not work [16:48] schestowitz except very loosely, temporarily [16:48] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [16:49] vZS1_2 Whatever the reasons. The population is getting restless with these suspension-of-everything policies. Unless you are a big business, of course. Then you can keep operating [16:49] vZS1_2 Eg. WH Smith is open [16:49] vZS1_2 I saw it open when I went into town today [16:49] vZS1_2 I don't think you can call that "essential" to anyone. [16:49] schestowitz BTW, they still want me to get "app" [16:49] schestowitz i.e. "phone" [16:50] schestowitz for lots of things, inc. gov./town hall stuff [16:50] schestowitz those are like RFIDs [16:50] schestowitz they can use them for "stay-home" enforcement and fining [16:50] vZS1_2 If they could, they'd chip people like dogs. [16:50] schestowitz Wilko is also open [16:50] schestowitz and they don't cover non-essential items like they're supposed to [16:50] schestowitz so they hoard all the sale [16:51] schestowitz not to mention online giants/etailers like amazon [16:51] schestowitz not even local [16:51] schestowitz and not paying taxes [16:51] vZS1_2 Plenty of Amazon deliveries come into my area on a daily basis [16:51] vZS1_2 Deliveroo still operating as normal as well [16:51] schestowitz serf economy [16:51] schestowitz "gig" [16:52] vZS1_2 They get special treatment. You could hardly call Deliverro essential [16:52] vZS1_2 But they can access homes just fine [16:52] vZS1_2 This is starting to stink and stink very bad [16:53] vZS1_2 This is a person, touching things, visiting multiples homes an hour (forget day). [16:54] vZS1_2 They don't even wear gloves [16:54] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6CEKphkOoQ [16:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- - YouTube [16:56] *guysoft42 (~guysoft@2a0d:6fc1:2:1f00::442) has joined #techrights [16:56] vZS1_2 So why can't, for example, a hairdresser, keep their shop open. They always wear gloves and sanitise their workspace. [16:57] schestowitz don't forget.... [16:57] schestowitz the food [16:57] vZS1_2 Or a chippy shop where they need to clean their workspace all the time [16:57] schestowitz that they deliver [16:57] schestowitz was handled (manual) by several other people [16:57] vZS1_2 Yea [16:57] schestowitz including boxes and packaging [16:57] schestowitz which is a point I often made wrt war on cash [16:58] schestowitz they can use sanitiser at the till [16:58] schestowitz but they cannot have it when handling dough and pastry [16:58] schestowitz yet cash... DIRTY [16:58] schestowitz food, clean [16:58] vZS1_2 And you don't eat cash [16:58] schestowitz I'm not buying the other excuses and I spoke to some shops [16:58] schestowitz one of which died [16:59] schestowitz they say the shops just don't want to handle fees associated with cash handling [16:59] schestowitz and risk of getting armed robbers [16:59] schestowitz so nothing to do with COVID [16:59] schestowitz all to do with exploiting it for cost-saving and spying [16:59] MinceR 05 175657 < vZS1_2> So why can't, for example, a hairdresser, keep their shop open. They always wear gloves and sanitise their workspace. [16:59] MinceR they breathe close to the client during the entire procedure, in a small enclosed space [16:59] schestowitz when I got my haircut weeks ago I kept a mask on, but they breathe not far from eyes and stuff ● Jan 05 [17:00] schestowitz MinceR: yeah [17:00] schestowitz beat me to it [17:00] schestowitz aerosols and all [17:00] vZS1_2 People breathe close to you in a supermarket [17:00] vZS1_2 And smaller corner shops [17:00] schestowitz depends [17:00] vZS1_2 Those are small enclosed spaces [17:00] schestowitz go at quiet times [17:01] schestowitz then you get 10 meter distancing [17:01] schestowitz and then we wash ALL the items we bought [17:01] schestowitz I really don't want this virus near me and her [17:01] vZS1_2 Walked around in the shops today and many people are right next to each other looking for things [17:01] schestowitz I want to be productive here, not to lie in bed like I did after my birthday for eating bad things [17:02] vZS1_2 They don't really enforce social distancing unless you're queued at the checkot [17:02] schestowitz *lay [17:02] vZS1_2 checkout* [17:02] schestowitz vZS1_2: choose other stores [17:02] schestowitz what? [17:02] schestowitz what's that? [17:02] schestowitz oh [17:02] schestowitz the machine they make you touch [17:02] schestowitz to serve yourself [17:02] schestowitz to do the staff's work [17:02] vZS1_2 They don't even have sanitiser at the checkout [17:02] schestowitz and touch a machine touched by 100 people before you in the same day [17:02] vZS1_2 self or not [17:02] schestowitz without any sanitation [17:03] vZS1_2 Yeah [17:03] schestowitz I never ever used those machines [17:03] vZS1_2 The only place with sanitiser at the machine was my bank [17:03] schestowitz sometimes they operated these next to me [17:03] schestowitz but at least they kept their job that way [17:03] schestowitz sanitation is expensive [17:03] schestowitz staff is expensive [17:03] schestowitz so touch the grubby machine [17:04] schestowitz and don't ask our staff to do... well, the staff's job [17:04] *guysoft42 has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) [17:04] schestowitz turns out, rianne says that in lidl nobody wants to use the machine [17:04] schestowitz one very long queue [17:04] schestowitz and that's how they try to push people to work for free [17:04] MinceR 05 180034 < vZS1_2> People breathe close to you in a supermarket [17:04] MinceR and it is indeed unsafe [17:04] schestowitz make the queue painfully long [17:04] vZS1_2 I know it's unsafe [17:04] schestowitz and offer an alluring/seductive alternative nearby [17:04] MinceR i have my groceries shipped to my home instead [17:04] DaemonFC[m] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4JX7qlGa8 [17:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"If I get corona, I get corona": Miami spring-breaker issues apology over viral comments - YouTube [17:04] schestowitz but then they risk losing actual customers [17:05] vZS1_2 What I'm trying to say is that the lockdowns are not really lockdowns [17:05] MinceR still, at least people would be in contact for a shorter time in supermarkets [17:05] vZS1_2 preferential treatment to the big businesses [17:05] vZS1_2 everybody else can go stuff themselves [17:05] schestowitz because they control policy [17:05] vZS1_2 sink or swim [17:05] schestowitz that's not a new problem per se [17:05] schestowitz social control media is helping them gather intel [17:05] schestowitz and repress uprising [17:06] schestowitz "at scale" [17:06] schestowitz they build social graphs [17:06] vZS1_2 You get shut down unless you're Lidl or a bank [17:06] schestowitz they can spot early attempts to congregate [17:06] vZS1_2 or WH Smith [17:06] vZS1_2 "essential" [17:06] schestowitz WIlko [17:06] schestowitz 60k new cases https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274 [17:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid-19 in the UK: How many coronavirus cases are there in your area? - BBC News [17:07] vZS1_2 Yes. I really need to buy from Wilko. Will die without shopping at Wilko. [17:07] schestowitz how many of the got 'the' vaccine already [17:07] vZS1_2 And the chancellor Sunak already said furlough is not going to last forever [17:08] schestowitz woah [17:08] schestowitz look at northern ireland [17:08] schestowitz it has spread very fast there [17:08] vZS1_2 People will get fed up soon enough [17:08] schestowitz (based on testing anyway) [17:08] schestowitz [17:07] And the chancellor Sunak already said furlough is not going to last forever [17:08] schestowitz so start with UBI [17:08] schestowitz if we can afford it and, if so, at what levels [17:09] schestowitz 200 quid a might can cover bill but not rent [17:09] schestowitz unless you want people living in bunk beds [17:09] DaemonFC[m] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa4i9Ap6dCg [17:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Spring-breakers express frustration over coronavirus precautions in Miami - YouTube [17:09] schestowitz which would spread covid... people have boyfriends and girlfrends... [17:09] DaemonFC[m] "We're just trying to get drunk before everything closes! Like oh my glob. They just want me for my hot lumps! And I said, BRAD ISN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO MEEEE AT ALL!!!!" [17:10] schestowitz LOL [17:11] vZS1_2 It's not going to be a surprise if people start ignoring the lockdown wholesale. There's no support mechanism and people need to survive. [17:13] DaemonFC[m] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmC1vknpqgg [17:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LSP (Lumpy Space Princess) Montage - YouTube [17:17] DaemonFC[m] Adventure Time predicted the Coronavirus. [17:18] DaemonFC[m] "I'm doing so great out here on my own. I found this can of beans. Wait, Melissa, I've gotta go. They're getting into my toilet paper!" [17:18] vZS1_2 lol [17:18] schestowitz vZS1_2: no support mechanism... important point [17:18] schestowitz not even social support network/group [17:18] schestowitz as they call them [17:18] schestowitz no connection to fake ones [17:18] schestowitz like FB "friends" [17:18] schestowitz and social control media at large [17:18] schestowitz but rather empathy by human interaction, direct [17:19] schestowitz many people I know depend on that [17:19] schestowitz they live for it [17:19] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, and when the shit hits the fan, start asking those Facebook friends for help. [17:19] DaemonFC[m] Not a single person will give a flying fuck. [17:19] schestowitz and it's spied on [17:19] DaemonFC[m] If your own relatives don't care what's about to happen to you, why would some random person on Facebook? [17:20] schestowitz I heard that [17:20] schestowitz this is why people kill themselves [17:20] schestowitz realising nobody really ever cared aboyt them [17:20] schestowitz not even at times of emotional distress and financial hardship [17:20] schestowitz each to his/her own [17:20] vZS1_2 What social media participants fail to realise is that they're actually advertising things for free and not getting anything back in return. They essentially all "work" for Facebook, Twitter, etc.. [17:20] schestowitz cause of point: your sis in law, DaemonFC[m] [17:21] schestowitz vZS1_2: it's an art form [17:21] schestowitz and they get people addicted to them [17:21] schestowitz conflating "companies' with 'friends" [17:21] vZS1_2 "friends" = "affiliates" [17:21] schestowitz it started from farmville [17:21] schestowitz https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/31/technology/farmville-zynga-facebook.html [17:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | FarmVille Once Took Over Facebook. Now Everything Is FarmVille. - The New York Times [17:21] schestowitz this is days old [17:21] schestowitz someone sent it to me [17:22] schestowitz "Then, that June, came FarmVille. If you werent among the tens of millions of people tending a cartoon patch of land on Facebook each day, piling up an endless stream of cutesy collectibles, you were still getting copious nags and nudges from your friends asking for help. The game either pulled Facebook users into an obsession or persistently reminded them that they were missing out on one." [17:22] schestowitz Rianne used to play that "game" [17:22] schestowitz and ask friends to waste their time too [17:22] schestowitz network effect, social control networks [17:22] schestowitz obviously she quit fb not long after we first met (2011) [17:23] vZS1_2 They're very clever. They got billions of people to work for them, for free. And governments bail them out and give them taxpayer money. [17:23] schestowitz she would wake up at night before that... to "farm" in FarmVille [17:23] vZS1_2 They go to court and come out scott-free every time. [17:23] schestowitz it's crazy [17:23] schestowitz worse than Tamaguchi [17:23] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, before I quit Facebook I disabled the app platform because people would invite me to use apps I didn't care about. [17:23] schestowitz Twitter was the same [17:23] schestowitz spam 'invites" [17:23] schestowitz it stopped at some point, not sure why [17:24] DaemonFC[m] Like, nothing matters in life. I can tell you why these freemium apps are so popular. It's the existential dread that people are going through. [17:24] schestowitz boredom also [17:24] DaemonFC[m] Life is pointless, nothing means anything, and nobody's supposed to be anywhere. [17:24] schestowitz trying to feel productive [17:24] schestowitz take selfie [17:24] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, like church. [17:24] schestowitz spend an hour liking everything in your timeline [17:24] schestowitz then they reciprocate blidnly [17:25] schestowitz achievement of the day: posted selfies, gave 1000 "likes", got 100 [17:25] vZS1_2 like+share [17:25] vZS1_2 Train our HEY HI [17:25] schestowitz popularity content [17:25] schestowitz contest [17:25] schestowitz albeit a totally virtual and meaningless one [17:25] vZS1_2 It is very meaningful [17:25] vZS1_2 Makes their advertising systems more effective [17:26] schestowitz you can solve the world's problems with "likes" [17:26] schestowitz "like" the anti-Trump tqweets [17:26] schestowitz that will stop him [17:26] DaemonFC[m] Thoughts and prayers. [17:26] schestowitz when those tweets reach cumulative one billion "likes" he's automatically impeached [17:26] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, the 30th amendment or something. [17:27] DaemonFC[m] I think we read about that. [17:27] vZS1_2 Facebook started advertising on YouTube. A friend of mine in Sweden showed me the add. I think they are in some trouble. [17:27] vZS1_2 There seems to be an exodus away from social media [17:27] vZS1_2 People see how toxic it is [17:27] schestowitz "Sorry, mr. trump, we counted the number of likes in FB and twitter. YOU ARE FIRED" [17:27] vZS1_2 So they turn to the third world [17:27] DaemonFC[m] Well, it works the other way too. [17:27] vZS1_2 TikTok, FB, etc are seeing largest growth in India, for example. [17:27] schestowitz [17:27] There seems to be an exodus away from social media [17:27] DaemonFC[m] He was buying spambots to like his posts. Make it seem like he was adored. [17:28] schestowitz I've been waiting for this for over a decade [17:28] schestowitz and often asked aloud (friends), what comes AFTER? [17:28] schestowitz because I don't know [17:28] scientes XRevan86, in the last sermon (which is not part of the Koran) Mohammed said that the black is not greater than the white, not the white over the black, except in matters of piety. There is also something similar in the Koran, in chapter 33 on confederate (foreign) tribes. This is why I hesitate to agree that there is such a thing as too much religion. While it is OK to say someone is doing it wrong, and I suggested that each chapter be [17:28] scientes treated as its own emotion, and it appears that the Homeric hymns are taking this strategy to Homer, as a way to avoid worshiping Mohammad in an attempt to understand the Koran (and male competition naturally tries this). [17:28] schestowitz last week I asked someone how this tiktok thing works [17:28] DaemonFC[m] Twitter doesn't even know how many fake accounts are out there mostly to like Trump's tweets so they're just clearing out all of the followers on the government accounts after he's gone. [17:28] schestowitz rianne_ knows more than me, though she never used it [17:28] schestowitz I think some youtube channels she follows show it [17:28] DaemonFC[m] It's not like they have an incentive to figure out how many fake accounts are liking things. [17:28] vZS1_2 TikTok is basically like Vine. Short video clips [17:29] DaemonFC[m] Inflates the number of accounts that are shown advertisements. [17:29] vZS1_2 TikTok is also an advertising platform [17:29] scientes vZS1_2, YouTube also has something similar now too, in the Android and iOS apps. [17:29] schestowitz [17:28] It's not like they have an incentive to figure out how many fake accounts are liking things. [17:29] schestowitz I said it mant yimes [17:29] scientes vZS1_2, TikTok also is an advertising platform for the CCCP [17:29] vZS1_2 But even more aggresively optimised for advertising [17:29] schestowitz also twitter [17:29] schestowitz one hand typing :/ [17:30] vZS1_2 Most TikTok users want to become "influencers" that get paid based on "likes" and "shares" [17:30] schestowitz holding coffee [17:30] scientes vZS1_2, they often get paid before they have any fame [17:30] DaemonFC[m] And it's a place for those "employment background check" parasites to harvest information about you. [17:30] schestowitz I still don't know what some of the chat apps look like [17:30] scientes vZS1_2, anyways, it is just Twitter of video---a complete waste of time, and impossible to say something using their pulpit that isn't noise [17:31] schestowitz I think Instagram is just for photo manipulation, likes, comments [17:31] vZS1_2 It's a simple ecosystem. You get consumers all on it and then get a few of those users to become your marketers. They don't even need a marketing department, that way. [17:31] DaemonFC[m] Did you see the JWZ blog post where a friend of his applied for a job and some company printed out and mail several _HUNDRED_ pages of his tweets where he liked or said something that "may reflect negatively". [17:31] scientes it is not an ecosystem [17:31] schestowitz it's hard to properly understand those things when you never used them [17:31] DaemonFC[m] It's a social reputation score. [17:31] scientes vZS1_2, have you taken a biology class? [17:31] scientes do you know what an ecosystem is? [17:31] DaemonFC[m] They make you use your real name because then it's easier for these people to find you and start harvesting things. [17:32] vZS1_2 DaemonFC[m]: many birds, one stone. [17:32] schestowitz Google used to email me asking me to do interviews for jobs [17:32] DaemonFC[m] They screw you out of a job where 20 years ago if you were out doing and saying things on your own time, nobody would know. [17:32] schestowitz over the year [17:32] schestowitz *years [17:32] DaemonFC[m] Sell it for pennies. [17:32] schestowitz that stopped after i joined Twitter and stuff [17:32] schestowitz "joined" [17:32] XRevan86 scientes: When an atheist book makes such observations no one blinks an eye [17:32] schestowitz it was merely a copy of identi.ca (FOSS), exported from it [17:32] DaemonFC[m] It's just too much of a liability to say things using your own name these days. [17:32] DaemonFC[m] It can come up anywhere, at any time, completely out of context even. [17:32] DaemonFC[m] They don't care. [17:33] vZS1_2 Social media platforms are all advertising platforms. That's their main source of revenue. [17:33] scientes XRevan86, touch [17:33] DaemonFC[m] Some company they paid said you were dodgy. [17:33] vZS1_2 Unlike before, you don't do TV ads now. You get "influencers" to create "content" about your product. [17:33] schestowitz true [17:33] schestowitz seen that [17:33] schestowitz I am against youtube because of it [17:33] schestowitz and the people who do this are fakers [17:33] DaemonFC[m] Mandy uses Facebook. [17:34] schestowitz they only highlight numbers of their best videos/months/weeks [17:34] schestowitz to give a false impression of their reach/financioal gain [17:34] DaemonFC[m] There's no telling what gets compiled about him from there. It's a bad idea to use it. [17:34] schestowitz 17 years ago I saw many adsense posers online [17:34] vZS1_2 There's still a lot of great material on YouTube. But it's infested with "influencers" much more than before. [17:34] schestowitz not shills of google, just posers [17:34] schestowitz people pretending to make a living off Google ads [17:34] schestowitz [17:33] Mandy uses Facebook. [17:34] DaemonFC[m] Trump had Social Security make a regulation that lets them consider your social media posts if you're on disability and trying to renew your benefits. [17:35] schestowitz In Soviet Russia, YOU use FB [17:35] schestowitz In the rest of the world, FB used YOU [17:35] DaemonFC[m] They wouldn't be trying to do it if they didn't think it would lead to "evidence". [17:35] schestowitz *uses [17:35] schestowitz vZS1_2: we need to build networks around trust, not "viral" and spam [17:35] schestowitz many linux blogs I followed for years became sEO and spam farms [17:35] schestowitz without even changing owners [17:36] schestowitz the recipe is familiar [17:36] DaemonFC[m] All they want is "evidence" even if it doesn't mean anything. It lets them justify denials and say "Welp, there was a picture of you fishing.". [17:36] schestowitz puff piece about unrelated topics, with some embedded links linking to the "sponsor" of that spam [17:36] schestowitz I reckon they do this for only few bucks [17:36] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: So the only way to win is not to play the game. [17:36] schestowitz and the few readers they still had over RSS are gone [17:36] DaemonFC[m] If you don't use those platforms, there won't be data for them to get out of them about you. [17:36] schestowitz then the site shuts down, zero audience, reduced to spam farm [17:36] schestowitz they 'monetise' it to death [17:37] schestowitz IRC is not social conttrol media [17:37] schestowitz afaik, freenode is not selling data [17:37] schestowitz and this is public anyway, logged [17:37] DaemonFC[m] Private Internet Access owns it. [17:37] schestowitz ? [17:37] schestowitz freenode? [17:37] schestowitz when did that happen? [17:38] XRevan86 scientes: Also, I am not sure what that means exactly. [17:38] schestowitz not that PIA is evil BTW [17:38] scientes XRevan86, I think you already said it [17:39] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20071755 [17:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4762288) [17:39] schestowitz bottleneck for us this week is upload speeds [17:39] schestowitz I need to upload over 300mb of video [17:39] schestowitz I have the articles ready [17:39] schestowitz but cannot post until the videos are "up there" [17:40] schestowitz some are about Intel leaks! [17:40] *vZS1_2 has quit (Quit: vZS1_2) [17:40] XRevan86 scientes: No, I dodged the specifics. [17:40] XRevan86 scientes: Because I don't know what are the black and the white that are compared. [17:40] DaemonFC[m] A few years ago I think. [17:40] schestowitz brb [17:41] XRevan86 scientes: Is it a skin tone (ethnic) thing? Or is it a collar (social class) thing? [17:41] XRevan86 Or something else entirely [17:44] scientes islam does not have social classes [17:44] scientes well, except slaves [17:44] DaemonFC[m] The founder of freenode was pretty much embezzling the funds for personal use. [17:44] DaemonFC[m] But he died back in 2006 after a car hit him. [17:45] XRevan86 scientes: No distinction between the elites and peasants? [17:45] scientes not in islam [17:46] XRevan86 No divine power to the monarch? [17:46] scientes only the prophet [17:46] XRevan86 Doesn't like to share, eh :) [17:46] scientes "His wives are your mothers"---33:X [17:47] schestowitz ? [17:47] XRevan86 scientes: Prophet's? [17:47] scientes I just read it, let me look up the full quote [17:49] *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/kxQIdCCDsIEZEajeGgLlWcuV/message.txt > [17:49] DaemonFC[m] ... [17:49] DaemonFC[m] Four times higher than reported, and 35% more deaths than the official figure. [17:50] DaemonFC[m] +849 deaths today with just 8 states reporting so far. [17:50] XRevan86 Could've been a worse disparity [17:51] scientes "The Prophet has a greater claim on the faithful than they have on each other. His wives are their mothers."--33:6 [17:53] XRevan86 scientes: A holy father? Who would've figured [17:53] XRevan86 interesting wording [17:54] scientes it is of course a translation [17:54] scientes but I like this translation--N.J. Dawood, who also has a good translation of 1001 Arabian Nights [17:54] XRevan86 > , , . [17:55] scientes looks pretty similar [17:55] XRevan86 > () ( ), ( ), [ , ]. [17:55] scientes [][][][][] [17:55] scientes that is the problem with most translations [17:55] MinceR :) [17:56] XRevan86 clarifications aplenty [17:56] scientes muddifications [17:56] XRevan86 fair [17:56] scientes also a nice pun in English :) [17:57] XRevan86 The proper antonym to "clear" would be "obscure" [17:57] XRevan86 clarity, obscurity [17:57] scientes yeah, but that wouldn't be a pun [17:58] scientes and in Spanish miedo de la oscuridad [17:58] scientes fear of the dark [17:58] scientes which I am not going for [17:58] XRevan86 "obfuscation" [17:58] schestowitz vZS1: just showed up in Google News https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/linux-foundation-public-health-expands-technology-and-public-health-community-accelerates-the-fight-against-covid-19-301194096.html [17:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Linux Foundation Public Health Expands Technology and Public Health Community, Accelerates the Fight Against COVID-19 [17:58] schestowitz your fav fake 'NGO' [17:58] scientes XRevan86, https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator [17:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator: The single instruction C compiler [17:58] schestowitz get your phone and "app" and contact-tracing [17:59] schestowitz for the SAKE OF LINUX [17:59] schestowitz endorsed by George W Bush and Tom Hanks will wait for his turn to get the "app" ● Jan 05 [18:00] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20071737 [18:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4761433) [18:00] XRevan86 scientes: How risc-y [18:02] scientes made me smile [18:03] XRevan86 scientes: MinceR pic puns or my pun? [18:03] scientes yours [18:03] scientes not much of a pun [18:03] scientes reducto ad absurdum [18:03] scientes literally [18:03] XRevan86 True that :) [18:07] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: This whole lockdown thing and the location tracking makes me thing....we're all probationers now. [18:07] DaemonFC[m] Nothing like turning your phone off and storing it in a potato chip bag to leave the state. [18:07] schestowitz you cannot turn some off [18:07] schestowitz they will turn themselves off when battery is low [18:08] MinceR you can put those in a metal box and let them talk to themselves [18:08] schestowitz but they still have enoufgh juice to work remotely [18:08] schestowitz to track you from towers [18:08] schestowitz better not to 'own' (rent) one [18:08] schestowitz they will look like they are "off", but you cannot tell for sure [18:09] schestowitz when rianne still had a mobile it would drain OUT FASTER (!) is turned off completely [18:09] schestowitz *if [18:09] schestowitz which was... well, weird [18:09] schestowitz you remove battery too [18:09] schestowitz but there are still capacitors in there [18:09] schestowitz not sure how much it can feed off them [18:09] schestowitz doubtful [18:09] schestowitz some phones have multiples batteries [18:09] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: It's not real hard to block the GPS signal. [18:09] schestowitz and only one can be removed [18:10] DaemonFC[m] Like I said, a bag of potato chips ought to do it. [18:10] schestowitz the other is soldered in like a diode [18:10] schestowitz like CPU clocks [18:10] schestowitz the only phone we now have is wired [18:10] schestowitz to the wall [18:10] schestowitz I used it today twice to make a complaint and lodge it with the ISP [18:11] schestowitz they wanted to close it later but I opposed [18:11] schestowitz as the problem was not resolved [18:11] schestowitz so they must phone again tomorrow at midday [18:11] schestowitz vZS1 gave me relevant cite (citation) from ofcom, the regulator [18:11] schestowitz so I can still talk to people [18:11] schestowitz without "mobile" [18:11] schestowitz they act all surprise I don't have one [18:12] schestowitz I told them "for privacy" [18:12] schestowitz they act all shocked if you only supply them with a landline, which THEY THEMSELVES supply, as contact number [18:12] schestowitz and they know you work from home, like them... [18:12] schestowitz weird world? [18:13] schestowitz BT: Why do you only use the landline you pay us 20 pounds for every month?!?!?! [18:13] schestowitz (you must pay for it regardless, otherwise you cannot have broadband... major scam) [18:13] schestowitz hidden fee [18:13] DaemonFC[m] Why do they sell them if they don't have anyone using them? [18:13] schestowitz 220 pounds a year, "line rental" they call it [18:13] DaemonFC[m] Oh, that's illegal here. [18:13] schestowitz you must pay that for broadband [18:13] schestowitz which is an additional cost [18:14] schestowitz so the actual cost of broadband is misleading [18:14] DaemonFC[m] They used to require dial tone to get DSL, but then the law changed, so they said "We'll sell you a dry loop DSL line for most of the cost and if you want a landline phone it's $6 a month.". [18:14] schestowitz you must "rent" the line... which few people use for anything other than broadband anyway [18:14] scientes XRevan86, it was both culture and race---it was arab over the non-arab, the non-arab over the arab, the white over the black, the black over the white---except in piety. [18:15] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: I did point out the irony to them [18:15] XRevan86 scientes: It makes sense for two reasons [18:15] schestowitz of them treating as "bad' my using the number THEY provide me with [18:15] schestowitz because I MUST pay them for it [18:15] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Nobody wants a landline so they were very aggressive about not giving you much of a discount and scaring you that you may not be able to call 911 if your cell phone lost power. [18:16] XRevan86 1. the source material gives preference to Jews, so for goys to try to flip the table as if it's they that are special is not very viable [18:17] XRevan86 2. Islam was expansionist from the start, it was not there just for one nation / one culture to adopt. [18:18] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: I need your help [18:18] schestowitz can you read this short text? [18:18] schestowitz tell me if that makes sense to you [18:18] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/01/05/qt-licensing-changes/ [18:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Qt is Shooting Itself in the Foot With Licensing Changes | Techrights [18:18] schestowitz I recorded it half a day ago [18:18] schestowitz my connection was so bad it's not online until now [18:18] schestowitz I worry about typos [18:18] XRevan86 scientes: The mythos serves the goals. It just so happens that this particular kind of bigotry would not help Islam, so it's not incorporated into it. [18:18] schestowitz I had a terrible day due to ISP crap [18:19] schestowitz and then I had to rewrite and restart things [18:19] schestowitz desperate to get the connection going [18:19] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: read quickly, it's short [18:20] schestowitz vZS1: connection had gotten a lot better; not impossible that my escalations and hours of bickering paid off [18:20] schestowitz I made many good points about them, so they let me turn that into a formal complaint, which is rare unless you're a business customer [18:20] XRevan86 scientes: Jews wanted to feel special, and so the mythos of Judaism says they are. Very much like Russian propaganda has Russian exceptionalism at its core. [18:21] XRevan86 If that branch of Russian propaganda was facing outwards trying to get recruits outside, it wouldn't do that. [18:21] scientes the cossacks [18:22] scientes I did not visit the museum of Russian expansion in California, but I was in the general area [18:22] XRevan86 But these days propaganda can be diversified (double think all the way), so they pull all the strings at the same time. [18:22] scientes Plato's fucking cave [18:23] MinceR the cave where Plato goes to fuck [18:23] XRevan86 One True Book of any religion cannot send different messages to different people. [18:23] DaemonFC[m] Phoronix article and its comment [18:23] DaemonFC[m] comments [18:23] scientes MinceR, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nx0sQLl7IY [18:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The word FUCK - YouTube [18:25] MinceR nice [18:25] DaemonFC[m] Absolutely nobody is going to accept Qt like this, where version 6 doesn't even work and the LTS stable releases are proprietary. You can't base Free Software on any version in that case, unless someone forks the LTS series. [18:26] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: thanks [18:26] schestowitz will quote [18:26] XRevan86 scientes: So, basically, it's not a display of enlightenment, it's another example of religion serving political interests. [18:26] scientes XRevan86, it certainly was after he conquered Mecca [18:27] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20071721 [18:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4760945) [18:27] DaemonFC[m] Most of the business plans around Qt failed to materialize and it's changed hands many times. [18:27] scientes and the Koran has a chapter to the Quraysh, his clam [18:28] schestowitz Developers like yours truly (I've used Qt and GTK, among other toolkits) don't want to rewrite everything from scratch and reinvent the wheel (e.g. scroll wheel support). So we rely on frameworks. Qt has just become a helluva lot less attractive. No amount of technical merit will compensate for legal uncertainty. [18:29] schestowitz "Most of the business plans around Qt failed to materialize," Ryan explains, "and it's changed hands many times." Until there will be nothing left to change hands? [18:29] schestowitz anything else, DaemonFC[m]? [18:29] schestowitz will finalise in a minute [18:29] schestowitz then intel leaks [18:29] DaemonFC[m] There's some commercial products using Qt, but it's going to be hard to convince them to adopt newer versions or base anything else on it at this point. The logical thing to do is for those users to contribute to the fork so that they can be sure it continues to serve their needs. [18:30] schestowitz ty [18:30] XRevan86 scientes: oh yea, I heard that there was a chapter targeting some specific group. I forgot about that. [18:30] schestowitz finalised [18:31] schestowitz refresh if you want [18:33] schestowitz https://blog.steve.fi/brexit_has_come.html [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.steve.fi | Brexit has come [18:35] DaemonFC[m] I see they're writing Direct3D support into Qt6 and removing ANGLE. [18:35] MinceR finally Qt is becoming Backdoors-only? [18:35] DaemonFC[m] That would require anyone porting Free Software to Windows who uses Qt to keep that in mind and write new Windows-only code. [18:36] MinceR Qt used to be focused on portability [18:36] schestowitz they also make MSVS plugins [18:36] schestowitz to help proprietary VS [18:36] schestowitz Microsoft spyware [18:36] DaemonFC[m] Well, the translation layer that supports Direct3D on the backend, transparently, made more sense. [18:36] schestowitz Microsoft qt [18:36] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Can't people just use OpenGL? [18:36] DaemonFC[m] Developers didn't have to worry about writing new code and never had to worry that if they invoked Vulkan they could literally end up with any implementation. [18:37] schestowitz next up [18:37] schestowitz shut down mailing lists [18:37] schestowitz use linkedin instead [18:37] schestowitz and shithub for code [18:37] schestowitz with many "likes" [18:37] XRevan86 I don't see why Direct3D code is actually necessary. [18:37] schestowitz I will never develop with qt again [18:38] schestowitz they lost my trust when their chief posted inflammatory anti-FOSS crap [18:38] schestowitz while making some BS PR to "Open Source" [18:38] schestowitz thankfully, many alternatives to qt do exist [18:38] schestowitz maybe even a fork soon [18:38] schestowitz like qt-free [18:39] schestowitz if they can use the TM of "qt" [18:39] DaemonFC[m] The installable client driver model in Windows means that graphics card drivers bundle their own implementations of OpenGL and Vulkan. [18:39] DaemonFC[m] Although Vulkan is more consistent, because they tend to use the open source stuff as a base for their ICDs, but the ICD still comes from the vendor. [18:40] DaemonFC[m] GTK+ is still around. [18:40] MinceR gtk is even worse [18:41] schestowitz it is [18:41] MinceR not only did they integrate half a window manager (badly) to please the waylandows people, they also kicked out widgets used by gimp [18:41] schestowitz i used glade for it [18:41] schestowitz and gdk also [18:41] MinceR from the gimp toolkit. [18:41] MinceR and they started copying crapOS even more closely [18:41] schestowitz gtk is like a hacker toolset [18:41] DaemonFC[m] I don't think there's any company even making LTS releases of that to begin with. [18:41] schestowitz gtk 1.2 iirc [18:41] schestowitz or 1.1 [18:42] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: of gtk? [18:42] schestowitz tk/tcl is ugly [18:42] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. [18:42] MinceR tk can be beautiful [18:42] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tcl [18:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Tcl - Wikipedia [18:42] DaemonFC[m] I could be wrong, but it wouldn't really serve Red Hat's interest to have an upstream LTS version of GTK. [18:43] schestowitz " [18:43] DaemonFC[m] It would be another thing where it would be possible to see what they did to it for "enterprise linux". [18:43] schestowitz Stable release [18:43] schestowitz 8.6.11 / January 4, 2021; 1 day ago [18:43] schestowitz " [18:43] schestowitz at least it's still going and free [18:43] schestowitz "LicenseBSD-style" [18:45] schestowitz "Red Linux" [18:45] schestowitz but Big Blue [18:45] schestowitz Purpose Skies [18:45] schestowitz *by Big Blue [18:45] schestowitz Purple Skies [18:45] psydroid I went to Qt Meet in Amsterdam in late 2018 where they were showing new capabilities in the library, but also had a scare session about licensing [18:46] schestowitz Buy a MAINFRAME today, get a LICENCE for 2 RED LINUX ABSOLUTELY FREE! -Krishna [18:46] schestowitz psydroid: I don't trust any "dual" licensed [18:46] schestowitz it means proprietary [18:47] psydroid And when I asked questions about KDE and scaling, they were a bit dismissive, as if it's some kind of embarrassment [18:47] schestowitz with free teaster [18:47] schestowitz or "openwash" [18:47] schestowitz Qt was used for LyX [18:47] schestowitz I grew up on that program [18:47] schestowitz Matthias (was that his name) then made KDE [18:47] schestowitz RMS convinced Qt (trolltech) to liberate it [18:48] schestowitz obviously they didn't sign a "for life" promise [18:48] schestowitz it was nice while it lasted though [18:48] schestowitz now fork itr [18:48] schestowitz *it [18:49] psydroid I think Qt has had its natural home on free software platforms ever since Microsoft came up with .NET and Apple got their various GUI toolkits [18:50] schestowitz old versions are still lgpl iirc [18:50] psydroid alienating free software developers now will almost certainly lead to complete irrelevance [18:50] schestowitz maybe a lot of companies that used qt can pool money into forking it [18:51] schestowitz and co-develop it with some foundation of some kind [18:51] schestowitz and without shithub accounts [18:51] schestowitz as that would give Microsoft control over qt and things build with it, too [18:52] schestowitz psydroid: I think their plan is to shake down proprietary software makers who use qt in the chain [18:52] schestowitz but again, how long can that last? [18:52] schestowitz esp. if they realise a new fork exists [18:52] schestowitz and they don't need to pay qt for patches [18:52] schestowitz instead donate the maintainers of fork/s [18:53] DaemonFC[m] Khronos was puffing up Windows Vista. [18:53] DaemonFC[m] They said its improved graphics model benefited OpenGL. [18:54] schestowitz Khronos uss shithub [18:54] schestowitz opengl? OK [18:54] schestowitz Khronos's vulkan? no, thanks [18:54] schestowitz don't need fancy effects [18:54] schestowitz I used to develop with opengl [18:54] DaemonFC[m] Then in the same article, showed that Windows Vista was running OpenGL apps 10% slower than XP. [18:54] schestowitz cogl [18:55] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: but so what? [18:55] schestowitz it's vista [18:55] schestowitz it's better [18:55] schestowitz for microsoft [18:55] schestowitz and hollywood [18:55] schestowitz more DRM [18:55] schestowitz get vista today [18:55] schestowitz not a free upgrade [18:55] schestowitz comes in SEVEN editiobs [18:55] schestowitz unlike Vista 7 [18:55] schestowitz or was it six edition? [18:55] schestowitz I forgot [18:55] schestowitz apple made fun of that [18:58] DaemonFC[m] Windows Vista Starter Edition, Windows Vista Home Basic, Windows Vista Home Premium, Windows Vista Business, Windows Vista Ultimate Edition, and Windows Vista Enterprise Edition I think. [18:59] DaemonFC[m] Ultimate Edition had all the features of Enterprise Edition. The only difference was Enterprise could use volume licensing keys. [18:59] DaemonFC[m] I think Starter Edition didn't let you change the wallpaper and enforced a limit of three open applications with a GUI. ● Jan 05 [19:01] schestowitz It's only about midday in most of the US and 1,450 COVID-19 deaths tallied already [19:03] schestowitz [18:59] I think Starter Edition didn't let you change the wallpaper and enforced a limit of three open applications with a GUI. [19:03] schestowitz even the crippled gnome3 doesn't suck this much LOL [19:03] MinceR give them time [19:03] MinceR they're still developing gnome [19:03] MinceR i'm sure they'll get there eventually [19:03] MinceR "more than 3 applications at a time is too confusing for users" [19:03] MinceR "more than 3 applications at a time violates our branding" [19:04] MinceR "look how great iOS is with 1 application at a time, we've got to copy that, it's so modern" [19:07] schestowitz RED Linux will run as many as you wish [19:07] schestowitz CentOS Stream will have 6 editions [19:13] DaemonFC[m] I was asking my mom if she would sign a sponsorship affidavit for Mandy. [19:13] DaemonFC[m] She thinks he's going to go on welfare and sue her or something crazy like that. [19:14] DaemonFC[m] In other words, I think she's just getting at she's racist, she hates our marriage, she hopes it fails, and she's just not going to say it like that. [19:14] DaemonFC[m] Not gonna come out and say it. [19:15] schestowitz yup [19:15] schestowitz don't be in denial about it [19:15] schestowitz that's what she is and doess [19:15] schestowitz but won't say [19:15] schestowitz wouldn't shock me is homophobia is in the mix too [19:15] schestowitz against her son and his partner [19:15] schestowitz not merely racism [19:16] DaemonFC[m] It's that fundamentalist christian bullshit too. Yeah, she keeps wanting me to go to church. [19:16] schestowitz she votes Trump, remember... [19:16] schestowitz "CHINA VIRUS"... "chinese virus" [19:16] DaemonFC[m] She thinks if she helps push the marriage over then that's what'll do it, which is why she started telling Maricel all about my dirty laundry. [19:16] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: Jesus saves! [19:16] DaemonFC[m] I'm so fucking tired of hearing that shit, you have no idea. [19:16] schestowitz how did she get her contact number? [19:17] schestowitz "here, have some flesh and jesus and drink his blood" [19:17] schestowitz "bought you a necklace of jesus on a torture device" [19:17] DaemonFC[m] Mandy thought if she talked to his sister it would help, and then she went and told her I was fucking crazy and I pissed off a friend of hers, which she absolutely will not drop, ever. [19:17] schestowitz with his hands and feet nailed to carved up wood [19:17] DaemonFC[m] I will never stop hearing about that. [19:18] schestowitz https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/01/05/enter-the-alien-ufos-as-the-new-american-religion/ [19:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Enter the Alien: UFOs as the New American Religion - CounterPunch.org [19:18] schestowitz brain rot USA [19:18] schestowitz this is from yesterday/today [19:18] schestowitz people look for alternate realities [19:18] schestowitz because real life sucks [19:19] schestowitz that explains many split pesonalities [19:19] schestowitz people construct alternative realms [19:19] schestowitz to escape the f-ed up one [19:19] schestowitz in some alternate universe the oligarchs are reptiles or a cabal of pedos or something [19:19] schestowitz and "that explains everything"(TM) [19:19] schestowitz Qanon is one example [19:20] schestowitz remember: assange died 5 years ago [19:20] schestowitz according to some but [19:20] schestowitz nut [19:20] schestowitz all the interview and the trials? That's an imposer [19:20] schestowitz or CGI [19:20] schestowitz https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/betting-against-qanon-predictit/617396/ [19:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | The Dark Reality of Betting Against QAnon - The Atlantic [19:21] schestowitz of course the sedition in Goergia never happened either... it's all "Fake" [19:21] schestowitz *Goergia [19:21] schestowitz Georgia [19:23] schestowitz I wonder if LT STILL reads TR [19:23] schestowitz https://linux.slashdot.org/story/21/01/05/0318254/linus-torvalds-rails-at-intel-for-killing-the-ecc-industry [19:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Linus Torvalds Rails At Intel For 'Killing' the ECC Industry - Slashdot [19:23] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: next intel article will be ready soon [19:23] schestowitz just waiting for upload to finish [19:23] schestowitz it'll embarrass SJVN [19:23] schestowitz Intel workers don't think too highly of him [19:26] psydroid DRM is an "advantage" to Intel too, because it's not readily available on standard non-x86 GNU/Linux distributions (in contrast with Chrome OS) that are otherwise identical to and equally functional to the x86 ones ensuring that people will keep buying Intel chips for their various Hollywood addictions [19:30] schestowitz never thought of it like that [19:30] schestowitz well, both Intel and 'hollywood' deserve insolvency [19:30] schestowitz long funded by Empire [19:31] schestowitz to brainwash and put back doors everywhere [19:31] schestowitz but the Empire is running out of financial resourced [19:31] schestowitz *ces [19:31] schestowitz it can only still feed the super-rich [19:31] schestowitz who already took all the capital (work, labour) OUT of the country to tax-evading offshore accounts [19:31] schestowitz both the oligarchs and their corporations [19:31] schestowitz they know what's coming to 'their' country [19:31] schestowitz people working 2-3 jobs [19:32] schestowitz to feed that capital hoard [19:32] schestowitz same in China BTW [19:32] schestowitz 9 to 9, 6 days a week [19:32] schestowitz nobody getting rich, demand slump [19:32] schestowitz I get 10-20 spam per day from chinese manufacturers [19:32] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: When I talked to the manager at the hotel about the first apartment complex, she asked me what happened. [19:33] psydroid I've read those horror stories of people holding multiple microjobs in Germany [19:33] DaemonFC[m] I said, "Oh, they turned out to be a couple of Karens. Called the police and everything because I asked why they were introducing so many problems into our application process.". [19:33] schestowitz psydroid: now we have "gig economy" [19:33] psydroid so that's progress, I suppose [19:33] schestowitz it "sets you free" [19:33] schestowitz you work when you want [19:33] schestowitz no holiday pay [19:33] schestowitz no guarantee of ANY pay [19:33] DaemonFC[m] It's not just black people that have to worry about the Karens, it's anyone that the Karen thinks is beneath it. [19:34] DaemonFC[m] And Karens aren't always white. Maricel is Asian. [19:34] schestowitz who are they? [19:35] schestowitz "Asian" is too vague [19:35] schestowitz half of the world is "Asian" [19:35] DaemonFC[m] Oh god, bunch of assholes really. In debt up to their eyeballs. If they are married, they have their husband's dick in a jar somewhere. [19:35] DaemonFC[m] But they carry themselves around as if they were someone important, when they're not, because they're hoping you believe it. [19:36] schestowitz they think it'll become reality [19:36] schestowitz if you act like it [19:36] DaemonFC[m] Believing oneself to be important above all others is a mental illness. [19:36] schestowitz it's a sick mindset [19:36] schestowitz across many spectra [19:36] schestowitz act like X [19:36] schestowitz and X you will become [19:36] schestowitz rent a Ferarri [19:36] schestowitz and the money will come [19:36] schestowitz Ferrari [19:36] schestowitz Act like you're sexy [19:36] schestowitz and sexy you will be [19:36] schestowitz pretend to be smart [19:37] schestowitz and then people will assume that [19:37] schestowitz lots of oligarchs play the media to play along with it [19:37] schestowitz "self-made Xionnre" [19:37] schestowitz *naire [19:37] schestowitz but at the end they're the ones who go under [19:37] schestowitz like 6-bankruptcies Trump [19:37] schestowitz There are European equivalents [19:38] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/11/27/breton-lagarde-connections/ [19:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Understanding Thierry Breton: Mister Cash and Madame Bailout | Techrights [19:38] schestowitz " Bernard Tapie received an award of 404m approved by Lagarde " [19:38] schestowitz Another fake zillionaire [19:38] schestowitz bailed out by criminals in govt. [19:38] schestowitz found guilty [19:38] schestowitz not arrested [19:38] schestowitz then IMF n [19:38] schestowitz now ECB [19:38] schestowitz the lenders [19:39] schestowitz bailout out 'rich' crooks [19:39] schestowitz thieves [19:39] schestowitz parasites on the state purse [19:40] schestowitz [15:09] I laughed when RMS said that he was having a hard time criticizing a bank robber because of decades of sitting there watching banks rob the public with no consequences. [19:40] schestowitz This is theft [19:40] schestowitz but done by the rich [19:40] schestowitz and banksters [19:40] schestowitz do you won't call it looting [19:40] schestowitz black people shoplifting would be called that [19:40] schestowitz for a $20 adidas [19:40] schestowitz not a $20 billion "bailout" [19:40] psydroid that same Bernard Tapie of Olympique Marseille infamy, I didn't know he was still around [19:41] schestowitz Lagarde is too [19:41] schestowitz ECB [19:41] schestowitz amazing, isn't it? [19:41] schestowitz Convicted criminals running out banks [19:41] psydroid yes [19:41] schestowitz and the EU Commission!! [19:41] schestowitz Breton [19:41] schestowitz defending other criminals [19:41] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/01/04/microsoft-ai-swpats-event/ [19:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Hosts a European Software Patents Propaganda Event (in Hey Hi Clothing) Featuring Thierry Breton and Litigation Firms | Techrights [19:41] schestowitz instrumental in covering up [19:42] schestowitz and so you wonder why the public loses confidence [19:42] schestowitz sorry, i mean to paste this one http://techrights.org/2020/12/01/the-breton-coverup/ [19:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Commissions Thierry Breton Covers Up EPO Corruption For His Friend Benot Battistelli | Techrights [19:42] schestowitz more relevant, but a tad older [19:42] schestowitz you don't need to go to qanon with theories about pedos in charge [19:42] schestowitz simpler explanations would speak of crooks in charge [19:43] schestowitz and building a framework of hand-washing puppets [19:43] schestowitz to ensure nobody holds them accountable and the media hails them as maligned heroes [19:43] schestowitz never mind arrest records, e.g. Gates arrested several times, then smugly smiling for the mug shots [19:44] schestowitz he know daddy was coming to bail him out again [19:44] schestowitz or pay bail [19:44] schestowitz laws by the rich for the rich [19:44] schestowitz "get out of jail card" [19:44] schestowitz if you are "in the club" [19:44] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: techrights.org/2020/03/26/medina-lost-in-the-mail/ [19:45] schestowitz I still need your help [19:45] schestowitz to retrieve those court documents [19:45] schestowitz as a US citizen [19:45] DaemonFC[m] I'm finding out how little that's worth each day. [19:46] DaemonFC[m] Here, we let a plague loose. Hide in your house and pray that we don't decide to send a SWAT team to deport your honest, hardworking spouse who hasn't ever taken a welfare program and who pays taxes. [19:47] DaemonFC[m] Mom and dad voting for the guy who did it. [19:48] schestowitz https://www.gadgetsnow.com/tech-news/intel-has-got-a-new-hater-after-amd-impresses/articleshow/80108658.cms [19:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gadgetsnow.com | Linux creator isn't happy with Intel, here's why - Latest News | Gadgets Now [19:48] schestowitz many headlines like this today [19:48] schestowitz I caught 5 already [19:48] schestowitz they miss the real news [19:48] DaemonFC[m] They act like they actually deserve not to be despised for this. [19:48] schestowitz linux 5.11 rc-2 [19:49] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: it's a good thing Mandy isn't Muslin [19:50] schestowitz If he was Muslim, your mom would have THREE reasons to hate him [19:50] DaemonFC[m] Trump's "Let them eat heard immunity!" reaction has cost our economy more in a year than if we took in immigrants on asylum visas for the next 10,000 years. [19:50] schestowitz tell your mom Mandy is converting to Islam [19:50] schestowitz just for spite [19:50] schestowitz and tell her Mandy becomes a she [19:51] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: check death toll today [19:51] schestowitz uk is around 800 [19:51] schestowitz really awful, it's catchup though (mostly, weekend) [19:51] schestowitz it's a good thing Italy and Belgium do worse [19:51] schestowitz so we don't stand out as "sick man of Europe" [19:52] DaemonFC[m] I mean, what does it really say about Christian Fundamentalism, really, when you say "What's so good about a religion that teaches you to hate your own children?" and they react with, "Well, if we were Muslims we'd drive over you with the car for an honor killing!". [19:52] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: can you do the Intel article with me? [19:52] schestowitz I am typing it up now [19:52] schestowitz I need to mostly work to obscure my sources, it's the most time-consuming part [19:53] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. [19:54] DaemonFC[m] I'm not hearing them stand up and defend themselves. I'm hearing, "Yeah, we're bad, but look at those other guys!". [19:55] DaemonFC[m] Eh, Mandy stopped going to church when he didn't need to in order to survive anymore. And by survive I mean, his sister was parading him around a church that would have thrown them all out had they known he's gay. [19:56] DaemonFC[m] So he knew better than to step out of line. [19:56] schestowitz I will put in IRC what's unsafe for the article [19:56] schestowitz because it's less visible here [19:56] schestowitz not invisible [19:56] schestowitz but makes fishing expeditions a lot harder [19:56] DaemonFC[m] He grew to fear her so much that he continued undermining our situation for fear of what she would do to him. And in so doing, blurted out everything I told him not to say to her. [19:57] DaemonFC[m] If this goes under, I probably never will be with anyone else. I can't stand how it always goes wrong somehow. [19:57] DaemonFC[m] This time it'll be the government. [19:58] schestowitz InteLeaks - Part V: Intel Misinformation Being Spread by ZDNet [19:59] schestowitz Microsoft-connected propaganda site ZDNet (masquerading as "tech" "news") is disseminating misleading information or misinformation about Intel, tell us people who understand these matters better than most [19:59] schestowitz this is a draft [19:59] schestowitz see if you spot mistakes [19:59] schestowitz or [19:59] schestowitz add your views [19:59] DaemonFC[m] USCIS has become my Aunt Lydia, Roy. [19:59] schestowitz I will embed them as I type it up ● Jan 05 [20:00] DaemonFC[m] The director of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest said that the Soviet Union had been his Nurse Ratched when someone asked why he directed the movie the way he had. [20:00] MinceR (cat) (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/19/8f25786c9d20b709.mp4 [20:01] schestowitz corporate press or mainstream media is not trustworthy because of its ownership. It's not that it's incapable of finding out the truth; it's just that telling the truth, accurately, is oftentimes against its business model (for example, unfavourable to a corporate sponsor). [20:02] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: I can easily embed responses from you [20:02] schestowitz as I only organise my notes now, turning them into article body [20:03] DaemonFC[m] Well, who said "Freedom of the Press goes to the people who can afford one."? [20:03] DaemonFC[m] Something like that. [20:03] schestowitz Some of the worst publishers have long been named and shamed here. We've been documented concrete examples for a very long time. We try to show actual evidence that they intentionally mislead the public and highlight who benefits... [20:04] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Gates probably likes to corrupt NPR as a pet project because with CNN it's very obvious. [20:04] DaemonFC[m] AMERICA IN CRISIS....Sign up for a credit card today at great intro rates! [20:05] schestowitz When people receive a salary for their writings there are almost always some strings attached (to those who provide this monetary compensation, not because they charitably support journalism). [20:06] DaemonFC[m] IN ANOTHER YEAR YOU WILL ALL BE DEAD OF CORONAVIRUS.....but in the meantime here's 21 great places to fly that still accept US passports! [20:07] schestowitz As Ryan as just put it, who said "Freedom of the Press goes to the people who can afford one"? [20:07] DaemonFC[m] DONALD TRUMP TRIES TO STEAL THE ELECTION.........but Starbucks holiday cups are back and conservatives are forcing them to write Merry Christmas. [20:07] schestowitz [20:07] schestowitz In this series' [cref 138129 introduction] we explained what we're about to show. In [cref 138157 Part I], [cref 138218 Part II], [cref 138278 Part III], and [cref 138291 Part IV] we've already shown some 'smoking guns' from Intel; the best (or worse) is yet to come. [20:07] schestowitz Putting aside [cref 133037 obvious defamation], someone has pointed out to us that "ZDNet [is] incorrect about Intel adoption of CoC..." [20:08] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: yes, PBS also [20:08] schestowitz he bribes them too [20:08] DaemonFC[m] The people who can afford the "press", are the advertisers. [20:08] schestowitz we covered that [20:08] schestowitz he repeatedly bribes NPR [20:08] schestowitz not a "one off" [20:08] schestowitz so they need to 'behave' [20:08] schestowitz or he will stop 'sponsoring' them [20:08] DaemonFC[m] So they tend to report based on who they think the advertisers can play to. [20:09] DaemonFC[m] It's certainly no coincidence that Fox News wants people to think Biden will ruin the economy (Trump already ruined it.) so they'll hoard gold (from their advertisers, at high prices). [20:10] DaemonFC[m] You'll never make money off the gold at those "commission rates", but you sell panic, and people lose the ability to think about what a rational investment is. [20:10] schestowitz Thankfully, as we hoped when we started this series, we are getting additional information from betrayed and disgruntled people, who are happy to see this information about Intel (belatedly aired thanks to whistleblowers). [20:10] schestowitz Of course we welcome any additional input. Techrights is very robust or resistant to censorship in all its subtle forms. [20:11] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Microsoft is desperately trying to wake up and pitch Windows again all of a sudden. [20:11] DaemonFC[m] After a huge multi-year sales slump they think they can sell into the disaster. PCs for people who suddenly need to do everything over the web. [20:12] schestowitz As one person (insider) told us: "I didn't like the push for Microsoft stuff..." [20:12] schestowitz We'll get to more examples of this soon (later in this series). Intel is basically morally defunct and geeks are fed up with it. Their salaries won't change their minds on it... [20:12] DaemonFC[m] It would be true to an extent except that the disaster is causing people to have little income and fewer priorities. [20:12] schestowitz The market share of Windows is rapidly declining [20:12] DaemonFC[m] Even the immigration lawyers that were charging several thousands of dollars are now offering to pick up Mandy's case for $1,000 or so. [20:13] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/29/windows-sliding/ [20:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | According to Statcounter, Microsoft Windows Reaches Lowest Market Share Since 1990s (Now Just 31.8%) | Techrights [20:13] DaemonFC[m] What does that turn into when you toss out iOS and Android? [20:14] DaemonFC[m] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide#monthly-200901-202012 [20:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gs.statcounter.com | Desktop Operating System Market Share Worldwide | StatCounter Global Stats [20:14] schestowitz Throughout the day today (in IRC) many of us decided that YES! Intel would definitely like the Wintel monopoly/duopoly back 'in order'... [20:14] DaemonFC[m] Windows still on the decline I guess. [20:16] DaemonFC[m] Although on the desktop, a lot of that is because of macOS apparently. [20:17] schestowitz " [20:17] schestowitz It says: "Intel's open source projects will all comply to the widely-adopted Contributor Covenant." [20:17] DaemonFC[m] It's strange that anyone would bother with that. [20:17] schestowitz I asked legal if this was the case in a meeting. The answer was maybe for the Open Source Technology Center but not entirely for Intel. [20:17] schestowitz Project choice. This came from the lawyer dealing with open source project licenses etc. [20:17] schestowitz The Open Source Technology Center is separate from other groups - like IOT and AI. [20:17] schestowitz The report about the adoption of the Contributor Covenant for all Open Source projects is highly exaggerated. [20:17] schestowitz In fact, I stopped a few projects personally from using the Contributor Covenant. The leads decided there was no need for a code of conduct - at all. [20:17] schestowitz " [20:17] schestowitz I will need to rewrite this [20:18] DaemonFC[m] Code of Conduct is just a way to suppress people and debates that are embarrassing or inconvenient. [20:18] DaemonFC[m] They write them in such wording that they could mean anything. It's like a disorderly conduct statute. [20:19] DaemonFC[m] The purpose is to "maintain order". [20:20] DaemonFC[m] Only with the CoCs, it's usually by disappearing someone permanently. [20:22] schestowitz "Not sure if I can get any more Intel on Intel... but still have a few connections/friends, and can always ask." [20:22] schestowitz I cannot post this [20:22] schestowitz it can compromise a source [20:22] schestowitz I'll leave it in IRC [20:24] schestowitz any more commenrs? [20:24] schestowitz I will publish the draft [20:24] DaemonFC[m] It looks like the person who banned me in #duckduckgo in 2009 is gone. [20:24] schestowitz you can add further commens [20:24] schestowitz I like your interpretation of these things [20:24] schestowitz many people's input is in this article [20:26] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: OK, quick! http://techrights.org/2021/01/05/imaged-sjvn-and-zdnet-misinformation/ [20:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks Part V: Intel Misinformation Being Spread by ZDNet | Techrights [20:26] schestowitz I'm sure typos are in there [20:26] schestowitz and we can enhance concision etc. [20:26] DaemonFC[m] Weve been documented concrete examples [20:26] DaemonFC[m] documenting [20:27] DaemonFC[m] to those who provide this monetary compensation, not [20:27] DaemonFC[m] and not [20:27] DaemonFC[m] As Ryan as just put it [20:27] DaemonFC[m] has [20:28] DaemonFC[m] who said Freedom of the Press goes to the people who can afford one? [20:30] DaemonFC[m] Actually, that looks okay.. [20:30] schestowitz the rest reads ok? [20:31] DaemonFC[m] the press," [20:31] DaemonFC[m] Extra quotation mark at the end? [20:32] DaemonFC[m] , and Part IV weve [20:32] DaemonFC[m] , and Part IV. Weve [20:36] schestowitz should I remove the quotes from "press"? [20:37] schestowitz part 4 is part of a sentence, cannot add full stop there [20:37] DaemonFC[m] No, just the trailing quotation mark after the comma. [20:37] DaemonFC[m] I think the rest looks okay. [20:37] schestowitz "The people who can afford the press," he adds, "are the advertisers. So they tend to report based on who they think the advertisers can play to." [20:37] schestowitz I will promote with link on social control 'networks' [20:38] DaemonFC[m] If Windows on the PC fails then Intel has nothing left. [20:38] schestowitz wait till we get to github stuff [20:38] DaemonFC[m] They tried to promote their CPUs on Android and failed. Nobody used them. [20:38] schestowitz yeah [20:38] DaemonFC[m] There was no legacy software to be concerned with. [20:38] schestowitz atom etc. [20:38] schestowitz I mentioned this in the video of the intro t [20:38] schestowitz they sabotaged olpc alspo [20:38] schestowitz to push their crappy chips [20:38] DaemonFC[m] Apple breaks things all the time because the Mac is really an expensive Chromebook to most people. [20:39] DaemonFC[m] Nobody cares what CPU is running underneath Chrome OS. [20:39] schestowitz the video was done w/o preparation [20:39] DaemonFC[m] And if the PC OEMs that use ARM chipsets in their Chromebooks thought anyone did care, they wouldn't have already transitioned. [20:39] schestowitz you might find it of interest nonetheless [20:40] schestowitz they're quick and cheap to make [20:40] schestowitz the upload is what takes time [20:40] DaemonFC[m] And now Microsoft is making noise about Windows on ARM again. [20:40] schestowitz yeah, I saw that [20:40] schestowitz someone also sent me a link [20:40] DaemonFC[m] I don't think it's feasible. I just think they want Intel under Maximum Pressure to give them good deals on CPUs for Surface laptops. [20:40] DaemonFC[m] To increase hardware margins. [20:40] schestowitz to paul TROTTROT [20:41] schestowitz the microsoft shills are stessed [20:41] schestowitz windows 'supersite' will get no more 'hits' [20:41] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft develops the OS anyway, so they don't charge for that. They sell the laptops at a high price because they want to compare them to Macbooks. [20:41] schestowitz yeah [20:41] schestowitz very expensive [20:41] DaemonFC[m] If they can get concessions from Intel, they'll have a trifecta on margin. [20:41] schestowitz for no good reason [20:41] schestowitz intel benefits from it also [20:41] schestowitz maybe the OEMs Microsoft partners with [20:41] schestowitz $1000 for a lousy laptop [20:42] DaemonFC[m] The third party OEMs are not as important to Microsoft as they used to be. [20:42] DaemonFC[m] I think they might be imagining a future where they can cut out the middle man and it'll be Microsoft laptops, Macbooks, and Chromebooks. [20:43] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet [20:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights [20:43] psydroid OEMs are tied to Wintel too, as there is no guarantee the current top vendors of Wintel computers would be the top vendors of Linaro (and other) computers as well [20:43] DaemonFC[m] The only good thing about having the OEMs around is they help with economy of scale for the hardware and it costs Microsoft nothing to copy Windows. [20:47] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/politics/judge-trump-decertify-votes/index.html [20:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Judge rejects another Trump attempt to decertify Georgia votes - CNNPolitics [20:51] psydroid But their hands may be forced if Microsoft decides to cut the OEMs out [20:52] schestowitz https://www.maketecheasier.com/t-mobile-admits-customer-info-data-breach-again/ [20:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | T-Mobile Admits to Customer Info Data Breach Again - Make Tech Easier [20:53] psydroid Which makes me wonder why Intel and Microsoft didn't or wouldn't at some point merge to become some kind of counterweight to Apple [20:53] DaemonFC[m] Great. T-Mobile bought Sprint. So they have my account. [20:53] MinceR :( [20:53] schestowitz don't worry, it's in the clown ● Jan 05 [21:12] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:19] DaemonFC[m] We really need for this election in Georgia to be a win for both Democrats. It's the only way any kind of economic recovery bill might pass, and they can vote to use the Congressional Review Act against a bunch of Trump's regulations. [21:20] DaemonFC[m] I think the first item will be to cancel all of his last minute regulations using the CRA if they end up in control of the Senate. [21:21] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Now my mom is claiming that members of Congress aren't really taking the Coronavirus vaccine. [21:22] schestowitz I don't know of a vaccine [21:22] schestowitz I know of clinical trials [21:22] schestowitz maybe they will lead to a successful vaccination [21:22] schestowitz for now I watch the experiment [21:22] schestowitz as an observer only [21:22] schestowitz will stay home [21:23] schestowitz humanity's biggest ever clinical trials [21:23] schestowitz hundreds of millions of participants or sibjects [21:24] schestowitz hope it goes well [21:24] schestowitz I think my mom will get the viagra company's one... [21:24] MinceR :> [21:28] schestowitz if the experiment goes aery [21:28] schestowitz *awry [21:28] schestowitz than maybe viagra company will implement better (but slowed down) depopulation than COVID-19 could ever achieve on its own [21:28] schestowitz not talking about sterilisation [21:29] schestowitz but side effects [21:29] MinceR EXTERMINATE! [21:29] schestowitz even if heart issues are developed in just 1% of takers after 5 years [21:29] schestowitz 3 billion people [21:29] schestowitz 1% of them is 30 million [21:29] schestowitz so [21:29] schestowitz do the maths [21:29] schestowitz I will be watching [21:29] schestowitz from here [21:29] schestowitz good luck [21:30] schestowitz (I have not even seen hard data/evidence yet that it is effective) [21:30] schestowitz and is in fact reducing infection/death rates [21:30] schestowitz vZS1 checked and reached the same conclusions, for now.. [21:31] schestowitz so no known benefits (yet) [21:31] schestowitz and potential risks (not know yet, either) [21:31] schestowitz except we know viagra company vaccine or clinical trials caused issues for people with allergy... this one we know because even mainstream media reported on it [21:33] *schestowitz does not need to be "antivaxxer" to distrust experiments (expedited, too) as opposed to well-established vaccines (polio, measles etc.) [21:34] schestowitz https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/16/asia/china-vaccine-scandal-doses-intl/index.html [21:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | Number of faulty children's vaccines in China surges to over 900,000 - CNN [21:34] schestowitz ttps://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/23/asia/faulty-vaccine-china-intl/index.html [21:34] schestowitz https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/23/asia/faulty-vaccine-china-intl/index.html [21:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | Outrage in China over thousands of faulty vaccines for children - CNN [21:35] schestowitz Just because a supposed vaccine exists does not automatically make it legit and risk free (it depends which one) [21:36] schestowitz https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)60900-4/fulltext https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/02/150227-polio-pakistan-vaccination-taliban-osama-bin-laden/ [21:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-secure.jbs.elsevierhealth.com | DEFINE_ME [21:36] schestowitz https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-cia-fake-vaccination-campaign-endangers-us-all/ [21:38] vZS1 If there's legitimate data about efficacy, I will be one of the first to share the results and immunise myself by taking a vaccine. [21:39] vZS1 But I've literally found no proper data. Like said already, it's just a global trial. [21:39] schestowitz my dad agrees [21:39] schestowitz he's very pro-vaccine [21:39] vZS1 Even the WHO clearly state all that we have now is trials [21:39] schestowitz but not THIS one, not yet [21:40] vZS1 I am also very pro vaccine [21:40] schestowitz careful of the straw men [21:40] vZS1 I've taken every vaccine I needed to [21:40] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:40] schestowitz like I said, they make it binary [21:40] schestowitz either pro-ALL or anti-ALL [21:40] vZS1 Have spent time debunking anti-vax bullshit [21:40] vZS1 Yeah [21:40] vZS1 You're grouped in with the loonies [21:40] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@techrights.org) has joined #techrights [21:40] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [21:40] schestowitz then you have monopoly aspects [21:41] schestowitz aside from effectiveness, risk etc. [21:41] schestowitz nobody wants to talk about it [21:41] schestowitz it harms sales [21:41] schestowitz media won't write about it [21:41] schestowitz "YOU ARE HELPING ANTIXAVVERS!!' [21:41] vZS1 At least the Oxford trial vaccine is relatively affordable [21:41] schestowitz oops, typos [21:41] schestowitz Gates makes profits from it [21:41] schestowitz https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/ [21:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation [21:42] schestowitz corporations are "communities" now [21:42] schestowitz monopolies are "charities" [21:42] schestowitz welcome to Brave New Wooooorld [21:43] schestowitz If it makes you sick, GOOD [21:43] schestowitz someone will profit from your sickness [21:43] schestowitz Get real sick, odten [21:43] schestowitz good for the "economy" [21:43] schestowitz for the "job creators" [21:43] schestowitz esp. where they have no public health system [21:43] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/20/045310ce82198c9e.jpg [21:44] vZS1 schestowitz: that's a really good article. Did you share that on your personal website? I don't think I follow the RSS for that [21:44] vZS1 Send me a link, if you do have an RSS for that [21:44] *tdemin has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [21:44] vZS1 I'll share that article. Thanks [21:45] XRevan86 MinceR: Are you subscribed to some feed called something like CuteMatingFoxes? [21:45] XRevan86 I'm beginning to see a pattern here. [21:46] MinceR no [21:46] MinceR i just browse the "top" category on pr0gramm.com [21:46] MinceR also, these seem to be too young to be mating [21:48] vZS1 pr0gramm is like the German version of Reddit [21:49] MinceR more like imgur [21:56] schestowitz MinceR: foxy style again? [21:56] MinceR \_()_/ [21:56] schestowitz vZS1: the nation is in our Daily Links, the good articles anyway [21:56] schestowitz I know the author online [21:57] schestowitz it was also mentioned in http://techrights.org/2020/10/06/bill-gates-profiteering/ [21:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Latest Tim Schwab Investigative Report on Bill Gates Explores His Latest Vaccine Profiteering Drive | Techrights [21:59] schestowitz vZS1: he is just critising rich people [21:59] schestowitz so he is "bitter" and "jelous" [21:59] schestowitz corporate media will shun such 'abusive' reports ● Jan 05 [22:00] schestowitz jealousy is the blatant and foremost "line" against critics of Gates [22:00] schestowitz "just jealous" [22:00] schestowitz ignore the facts [22:00] schestowitz they're just wishing they had his wealth [22:00] schestowitz Trump is unpopular [22:00] schestowitz because of "jealousy" [22:00] schestowitz not cruelty" [22:00] schestowitz They "Want his wife" [22:00] schestowitz etc. etc. [22:03] schestowitz "Data science" typically means surveillance, the bread and butter of IBM https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/following-the-data-science-methodology/ [22:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.ibm.com | Following the data science methodology IBM Developer [22:04] vZS1 It's a shame more readers don't participate in this IRC [22:04] vZS1 They can learn so much more [22:06] schestowitz not always [22:06] schestowitz remember [22:06] schestowitz more is not always better [22:06] schestowitz you can end up with k00ks here [22:06] schestowitz we recently had major smtp issues [22:06] schestowitz which we could not easily overcome [22:06] schestowitz that impacts people's ability to sign up and comment [22:07] schestowitz and if we got comments on our Gates articles, it would do more harm than good [22:07] schestowitz and help paint the research as some looney stuff with qanon drones in comments [22:24] DaemonFC[m] The state police never started working on my appeal. [22:24] DaemonFC[m] So my FOID card will take ANOTHER YEAR to get back if they even start working on it now. [22:25] DaemonFC[m] I remember schestowitz getting after me about my feeling that a lot of these COVID victims had it coming. [22:26] DaemonFC[m] Well, I mean, if you think about it....Who isn't washing their hands, wearing a mask, or not avoiding mass gatherings? [22:26] DaemonFC[m] Maybe a little collective punishment isn't the worst thing ever. [22:26] DaemonFC[m] Most of the people getting this are arrogant, entitled, and ignorant. [22:27] DaemonFC[m] It's a disease that uses ignorance to spread. [22:27] DaemonFC[m] Who is having mass gatherings with no masks? Rave parties in Chicago and churches. [22:27] DaemonFC[m] I don't get why the police can shut down one but not the other. [22:27] DaemonFC[m] Should unlicensed rave be a religion so they can't shut them down? [22:28] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Mom was actively shunned by all the people at her church for staying home. Then they had an outbreak there where damned near everybody got the virus. [22:35] DaemonFC[m] It seems at least 24 Senate Republicans say they'll vote to certify the electoral votes. [22:35] DaemonFC[m] That means that the objections won't do anything except waste floor time. 2 hours per state that is objected to. [22:36] DaemonFC[m] The Republicans can't waste more than 102 hours of floor time, which would only take them up to like January 16th, and that's of they objected to every slate of electors, including Trump's. [22:36] DaemonFC[m] The more objections they file, the more time to appoint judges and stuff they screw themselves out of. [22:37] DaemonFC[m] The most I could see this going is objecting to all of Biden's electors which wastes maybe the next 5 days. [22:38] *CrystalMath has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [22:41] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: They have a religious right to spread COVID, mostly between themselves, but to create clusters that everyone has to deal with. [22:42] DaemonFC[m] After all, it's spiritual health that matters. [22:42] DaemonFC[m] The financial health of the church even more, I suppose. [22:42] MinceR it's the way Papa Nurgle wants it to be [22:42] DaemonFC[m] Once nobody is looking, donations drop. [22:43] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [22:43] DaemonFC[m] More worried about impressing others who are in the room with them than God, apparently. [22:44] MinceR perhaps they secretly believe that "God" actually can handle money [22:47] schestowitz God does not think he's Larry Ellison [22:48] DaemonFC[m] God loves you and HE NEEDS MONEY! -Carlin [22:48] DaemonFC[m] Of course he does. [22:49] DaemonFC[m] All of those houses he doesn't even live in. [22:49] DaemonFC[m] Lots of corrupt officials claiming to do his work while they fuck kids. [22:49] DaemonFC[m] It gets expensive. [22:49] schestowitz Electron bloat https://betanews.com/2021/01/05/new-windows-95/ [22:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | New version of Windows 95 runs on Windows, macOS and Linux, with dedicated builds for ARM-based systems [22:49] schestowitz anyone bothering with this crap? [22:49] schestowitz they keep pushing it [22:50] MinceR nope [22:50] schestowitz it's just browser crap [22:50] schestowitz not platform [22:50] *olban has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [22:50] schestowitz that's like saying my bank is now "available for Linux" [22:50] DaemonFC[m] Windows 95 running on an emulator. Woohoo. [22:51] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axL47jZTGdg [22:51] DaemonFC[m] What would you even do with it these days? [22:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-God Loves You, but He Needs Money! George Carlin - YouTube [22:51] DaemonFC[m] It's too old to work on the internet. [22:51] MinceR same as in the old days: overwrite it with a real OS [22:51] MinceR free hype for the redmond mafia [22:51] psydroid crashes just as fast as it did when it was first released [22:51] schestowitz I used to link a lot to his skits [22:51] schestowitz and then Assange copied them off me :-) [22:51] DaemonFC[m] It predates DirectX. [22:51] schestowitz hopefully he'll be out soon [22:51] DaemonFC[m] It won't have media codecs. [22:51] MinceR i guess you could run Adobe Trash on it [22:51] DaemonFC[m] Hey, no media codecs. [22:52] schestowitz MinceR: :-) [22:52] DaemonFC[m] Maybe it's safe from those weaponized exploits against Tails. [22:52] MinceR is the weaponized exploit against Tails called "systemd"? [22:52] schestowitz I heard Heads is not maintained anymore [22:52] schestowitz since 2019 iirc [22:52] MinceR or is it some other one? [22:52] schestowitz no releases [22:52] schestowitz it's tails sans systemd*** [22:54] psydroid what is Adobe's role in the push for the reanimation of Backdoors? [22:55] MinceR probably nothing [22:55] MinceR but i still occasionally encounter pages that depend on Trash [22:55] MinceR i figured it would be fitting ● Jan 05 [23:01] schestowitz maybe one day www/html too [23:01] schestowitz will be deprecated within a decade [23:01] MinceR only if the oligarchy manages to come up with something even worse [23:01] schestowitz what to be replaced by? Who knows... let's wait and see, hoping it's not more DRM and monopolistic garbage [23:02] schestowitz www grew as a way out of monopolies [23:02] schestowitz now we need www alternatives [23:02] schestowitz for the same reasons [23:02] schestowitz www became like api [23:02] schestowitz to bypass passing .doc crap around [23:02] schestowitz and ms file servers [23:05] schestowitz vZS1: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/01/cryptocurrency-stealer-for-windows-macos-and-linux-went-undetected-for-a-year/ [23:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Cryptocurrency stealer for Windows, macOS, and Linux went undetected for a year | Ars Technica [23:05] schestowitz FUD still in full swing [23:05] schestowitz he got sued for libel already [23:05] schestowitz https://arstechnica.com/author/dan-goodin/ [23:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Dan Goodin | Ars Technica [23:05] schestowitz changed his manipulated photro [23:05] schestowitz used to be in El Reg [23:05] schestowitz Now works for Arse Technically Pedophile [23:06] schestowitz where the author/moderator was arrested for raping children [23:06] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/06/07/microsoft-peter-is-a-pedophile/ [23:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Peter is a Pedophile, Arrested Without Bail | Techrights [23:06] MinceR dan goodin is the new drpizza? [23:06] schestowitz no [23:06] schestowitz he's a clickbait arse [23:07] MinceR https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/19/e1816bed9eb38f34.jpg [23:09] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [23:11] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19805993 [23:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #dangoodin at Arse Technically Pedophile is now spreading 'security' FUD against #cryptocoins while #googlebombing OS names (including "Linux") for clickbait [23:12] schestowitz https://twitter.com/ZoomMyView/status/1346169813601837062 [23:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ZoomMyView: How else can we bring #JulianAssange home? https://t.co/eZuBTKrB3I [23:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Julian Assanges Extradition DENIED by British Court (Updated) | Techrights [23:12] schestowitz https://twitter.com/SYekalis/status/1346106692178751489 [23:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SYekalis: Who is Julian Assange a threat to now?!! https://t.co/hy1dasVykq [23:14] vZS1 There's a full swing propaganda campaign going on against Monero right now [23:15] vZS1 Cabal doesn't like the fact that people can have privacy with their finances [23:15] schestowitz arse = conde nast [23:15] schestowitz check who owns them [23:15] schestowitz finance in nYC [23:16] vZS1 Same ilk as Zdnet [23:16] schestowitz they did lots of the discrediting campaigns, associating crypto with drugs [23:16] schestowitz zdnet is same city [23:16] schestowitz but different family [23:17] vZS1 I doubt the people writing for them get paid much at all [23:17] vZS1 The writing betrays their lack of education [23:18] vZS1 So it must be some hobby people getting a few pennies to write FUD [23:18] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19806019 [23:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Pains me to see #phoronix outsourcing to #microsoft now https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=pts-10-2&num=1 #deletegithub #monopoly #ProprietarySoftware [23:18] vZS1 Hosting for the sites can't cost much either [23:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Phoronix Test Suite 10.2 Released For Open-Source, Cross-Platform Automated Benchmarking - Phoronix [23:18] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:19] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [23:19] vZS1 And they give each other "awards" to try to build an air of credibility [23:19] vZS1 schestowitz: like you mentioned in a recent video [23:20] schestowitz that's how they make money [23:20] schestowitz patent sites do this a lot [23:20] schestowitz then the law firms present virtual (fake) endorsements [23:20] schestowitz and they look like they're good [23:20] vZS1 It's just smoke and mirrors [23:20] vZS1 But people are gullible so it works [23:22] vZS1 A pretty big YouTuber said to me "I love their [TR] work but don't want to use them as a source". [23:22] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:23] vZS1 I prodded and asked why. When TR has citations for everything. [23:23] vZS1 I got bogus replies about "presentation" [23:23] vZS1 I'm no longer going to send them things. Just another fake [23:24] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [23:24] vZS1 One of those "woke" types [23:24] vZS1 It was very disappointing [23:25] vZS1 The same for that charity I was talking about earlier [23:25] vZS1 I sent them things and they just went quiet [23:26] vZS1 But I'm still trying. I share whenever the context gives me a chance [23:32] schestowitz vZS1: http://techrights.org/2020/05/11/media-obfuscation/ [23:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fine Art of Media Obfuscation to Discredit Critics | Techrights [23:33] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/07/24/demolish-the-opposition/ [23:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How to Dismiss Ones Opposition or Discredit Ones Exposer/s Without Doing or Saying Anything of Substance | Techrights [23:33] schestowitz I am still looking for something else though [23:35] schestowitz oh, this: http://techrights.org/2020/09/06/excuses-and-distractions/ [23:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How to Spot Diversion Tactics (Excuses and Distractions From Articles Not Convenient to the Reader) | Techrights [23:35] schestowitz Its old news [23:35] schestowitz I found a typo [23:35] schestowitz The headlines capitalisation style is wrong [23:35] schestowitz The site isnt mobile-friendly [23:35] schestowitz The fonts are of the wrong size [23:35] schestowitz The stylesheet isnt good with my browser [23:35] schestowitz I dont like the site [23:35] schestowitz I dislike the author [23:36] schestowitz vZS1: there was a campaign apparently to smear us, behind the scenes [23:36] schestowitz same people working to cancel Oliva, RMS, Pocock [23:36] schestowitz as they talk about the F word [23:36] schestowitz (freedom) [23:36] schestowitz very dirty [23:38] *schestowitz comes to grip getting hope repairs this past year is close to impossible :/ [23:38] schestowitz we have roof issue (soggy/leak) [23:39] vZS1 I'm pretty sure essential repairs are still allowed [23:39] vZS1 So look into it first before giving up hope [23:39] schestowitz I cannot repair it myself [23:40] schestowitz neither the tools to reach it or work on it [23:40] vZS1 I mean to contact someone that can [23:40] schestowitz they might say it's not essential [23:40] vZS1 Nothing like asking [23:41] schestowitz not sure [23:41] schestowitz was gonna phone next week [23:41] schestowitz then lockdown [23:41] schestowitz the gym won't reopen as planned (Jan 9th) [23:42] vZS1 I've had some one in a few days ago to fix my washing machine [23:42] schestowitz it's a good thing I'm married, otherwise it would get rather lonely with all this stay-at-home infinity loop [23:42] schestowitz vZS1: that's in times of loosening restrictions [23:42] schestowitz when we bought a replacement they refused to install [23:43] schestowitz or even to take the old one [23:43] vZS1 Did your old one still work? [23:43] schestowitz no [23:43] vZS1 Strange [23:43] schestowitz they don't care about the laws [23:43] schestowitz because corona [23:43] schestowitz see EPO [23:43] schestowitz illegal? BUT CORONA [23:44] schestowitz I'm losing my patience for some of these things [23:44] DaemonFC[m] The landlord in Fox Lake was pretty much just letting the roof leak and halfassing repairs to it. [23:44] schestowitz like gov. "brexit means brexit" but you cannot register because CORONA [23:44] schestowitz "get an app" [23:44] DaemonFC[m] That place has got to be a money pit. He can't rent it because nobody wants to hike half a mile up and down a hill./ [23:45] schestowitz If Scotland rejoins EU, maybe we'll move there [23:45] schestowitz and I know if that happened (indyref, then indy), we would not be alone [23:46] schestowitz with lockdowns the fascistories won't let alone referendum happen [23:46] schestowitz because CORONA! [23:46] schestowitz 'fcourse! [23:46] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Edinburgh [23:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Edinburgh [23:47] vZS1 I'm betting on Scotxit [23:47] vZS1 Within 2.5 years [23:47] vZS1 Let's see if that's a good guess :D [23:47] schestowitz it has a name already [23:48] schestowitz ScotJoin [23:48] schestowitz after Scotxit [23:48] schestowitz join EU, not UK [23:48] MinceR https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/19/0481f7a34fba12d8.jpg [23:48] schestowitz maybe they'll treat sturgeon like Spain treated Catalan politicians.... charged with sedition by Clown Johnson [23:49] psydroid who is going to be the queen of Scotland, though? [23:49] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I'll be Barry Whatshisnuts is kicking himself for letting me out of that lease now. [23:49] DaemonFC[m] I could probably sue him for breach of contract honestly. [23:49] MinceR they could keep the current one or become a republic [23:49] vZS1 ~90% voted for independence in the Catalan referendum [23:49] DaemonFC[m] He had no right to terminate that lease unless I was convicted of a Class A Misdemeanor or a felony. [23:49] DaemonFC[m] And I wasn't. [23:50] vZS1 So where's this "democracy"? [23:50] MinceR \_()_/ [23:50] vZS1 Is it on holiday? [23:50] schestowitz EU sidled with Madrid [23:50] DaemonFC[m] Of course, that's assuming that John tells the truth. He lies, and gropes kids, you know. [23:50] schestowitz because... need membership [23:50] schestowitz and members' money [23:50] DaemonFC[m] Like I was even going to argue about staying on a lease with THAT. [23:51] DaemonFC[m] I threw Barry Whatshisnuts in the bankruptcy because why not. [23:51] schestowitz vZS1: corona is a holiday to people who break the law with impunity [23:51] schestowitz and seek endless leeway [23:51] schestowitz like Alex "water cannon" Johndon [23:51] schestowitz *son [23:52] DaemonFC[m] They're worried that Kenosha will be destroyed, again. [23:52] DaemonFC[m] After they declined to press charges against Jacob Blake's shooter. [23:52] MinceR vZS1: it failed (due to people being too stupid) and died [23:52] DaemonFC[m] They also said they wouldn't charge Blake though. I guess they kindly dropped the charges of being shot in the back 7 times by a police officer. [23:53] vZS1 When Scotland vote for independence, Westminster will probably do a Madrid [23:53] DaemonFC[m] Then I got ensnared by the Illinois law that was meant to stop black people from having guns, schestowitz [23:53] DaemonFC[m] My appeal is in purgatory. [23:54] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: The Mozilla maintenance service checks for recent changes to default browser and makes sure it was you with a pop-up. [23:54] DaemonFC[m] Pop-up wars over default browser. That's nice. [23:55] schestowitz not on gnu/linux I gues [23:55] schestowitz we don't have that crap [23:55] schestowitz you set program and file association in the DE [23:55] schestowitz or the file manager of choice [23:56] schestowitz no "bonzi buddy" either [23:56] DaemonFC[m] The FOID Appeals are running a year, and I submitted mine after my supervision ended in August. I went to call the state police today to see what was taking so long and they had never started on it. [23:56] DaemonFC[m] They claim that they will now. I might get ahold of the NRA and ask if they'll help me file a lawsuit against the state police. [23:57] DaemonFC[m] So we're talking an 18 month turnaround time while I beg for a constitutional right.