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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/650458.jpg | Feb 05 02:20 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, home server back to normal? | Feb 05 02:22 |
| MinceR | no, it was replaced with the vps | Feb 05 02:23 |
| MinceR | it was a pain to fix issues on the home server when i was away from home anyway | Feb 05 02:23 |
| MinceR | also, it's dead | Feb 05 02:23 |
| MinceR | i suppose it could be fixed by replacing a capacitor or something, but i'm not really motivated to do so | Feb 05 02:24 |
| MinceR | the weekly reconnects are also gone :> | Feb 05 02:24 |
| cubexyz | recapping a motherboard usually costs around $100 to $130 | Feb 05 02:25 |
| cubexyz | as you can imagine most people don't bother | Feb 05 02:25 |
| MinceR | for that money i could just buy another rpi4 | Feb 05 02:26 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: with nonfree boot firmware? :O | Feb 05 02:26 |
| MinceR | danielp3344: this intel atom thing has nonfree boot firmware as well | Feb 05 02:26 |
| cubexyz | well, I do want to keep the pre-UEFI stuff working | Feb 05 02:26 |
| danielp3344 | You could get an orangepi | Feb 05 02:26 |
| danielp3344 | or something from pine64 | Feb 05 02:26 |
| MinceR | it would have more RAM and i could reduce CPU load by not using virtualization anymore | Feb 05 02:27 |
| cubexyz | so I'll probably recap the amiga and the P3's | Feb 05 02:27 |
| MinceR | they don't seem to sell those in hungary | Feb 05 02:27 |
| MinceR | once i get a credit card, i'll look into ordering from abroad | Feb 05 02:27 |
| cubexyz | this monitor I'm using for IRC is from 1996 | Feb 05 02:32 |
| cubexyz | a lot of my stuff is pretty old | Feb 05 02:32 |
| cubexyz | even in the 1990s some of the motherboards were bad | Feb 05 02:34 |
| cubexyz | I can remember some brands not even lasting 2 or 3 years | Feb 05 02:35 |
| MinceR | also, orange pi-s tend to use allwinner soc-s | Feb 05 02:44 |
| MinceR | i already have an allwinner board, the cubietruck, and it's crap | Feb 05 02:44 |
| MinceR | it just barely boots the hacked ubuntu image they've provided | Feb 05 02:44 |
| MinceR | if i tell it to go fullhd, it crashes with a screen full of random pixels | Feb 05 02:44 |
| MinceR | and allwinner doesn't care about SBC users | Feb 05 02:45 |
| danielp3344 | I've had to use custom kernels for all my allwinner devices, but they work | Feb 05 02:45 |
| danielp3344 | ^ | Feb 05 02:45 |
| MinceR | "Be aware that Allwinner is notorious for GPL violations; consider this when making a purchase." https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/single-board-computers | Feb 05 02:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Single-board computers — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Feb 05 02:47 | |
| cubexyz | what should we be buying? | Feb 05 02:47 |
| MinceR | apparently nothing | Feb 05 02:47 |
| MinceR | or maybe something someone only sells in the usa or only in red china or something like that | Feb 05 02:47 |
| MinceR | anything i could actually buy without the hungarian post office stealing or losing it is apparently problematic | Feb 05 02:48 |
| MinceR | chances are so is everything else | Feb 05 02:52 |
| MinceR | nonfree boot firmware here, nonfree wifi firmware there, nonfree GPU firmware in yet another place | Feb 05 02:53 |
| cubexyz | there's chromebooks... | Feb 05 02:53 |
| MinceR | chinese hw backdoor, usian hw backdoor | Feb 05 02:53 |
| MinceR | yeah, a few extreme low end chromebooks are even sold here | Feb 05 02:53 |
| MinceR | i wanted a passively cooled chromebook | Feb 05 02:53 |
| MinceR | when i found out it's sold in the usa and korea and nowhere else, i gave up on it | Feb 05 02:53 |
| MinceR | and i'm afraid i'd have to risk bricking it to not wait 30s on a developer mode warning screen every time i boot it | Feb 05 02:54 |
| MinceR | and possibly obtain special tools | Feb 05 02:54 |
| cubexyz | I bet you could pick up a refurb HP 11 G4 for pretty cheap | Feb 05 02:58 |
| MinceR | i've used enough HP for life | Feb 05 02:58 |
| cubexyz | I'd like one with an luminated keyboard | Feb 05 02:58 |
| MinceR | that laptop had the most atrocious firmware i've ever experienced, by far | Feb 05 02:58 |
| MinceR | (ProBook something) | Feb 05 02:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it depends on the allwinner chip a lot. | Feb 05 03:04 |
| oiaohm | https://linux-sunxi.org/Linux_mainlining_effort#Status_Matrix pinephone is using a A64 allwinner almost all it support is in fact mainline uboot and mainline kernel. | Feb 05 03:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux mainlining effort - linux-sunxi.org | Feb 05 03:05 | |
| MinceR | i'm leaving the experimenting to others :> | Feb 05 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Right down to have a open source init of ram | Feb 05 03:06 |
| oiaohm | Basically A64 is blobless. | Feb 05 03:06 |
| oiaohm | Its stupid right a company that has been accused of GPL violations and has been gulity, happens to in hardware init stuff to use the least blobs and have been providing the source code to that init stuff.. | Feb 05 03:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically the world is a messed up place. | Feb 05 03:10 |
| MinceR | indeed | Feb 05 03:11 |
| MinceR | i blame humans | Feb 05 03:11 |
| cubexyz | too much short term thinking I'd say | Feb 05 03:13 |
| MinceR | also non-thinking | Feb 05 03:13 |
| oiaohm | http://rockchip.wikidot.com/ddrinuboot rockchip they do provide enough to uboot to get system up without their closed source blob but they don't provide the source code for the nice auto detect so you want that you have to use the blob. Allwinner is better on that point. | Feb 05 03:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rockchip.wikidot.com | DDR in U-Boot - Rockchip Wiki | Feb 05 03:15 | |
| oiaohm | The open source memory detect with allwinner has the nice auto stuff. | Feb 05 03:15 |
| oiaohm | Yes that was coded by allwinner. | Feb 05 03:16 |
| oiaohm | I really hate having to pick arm soc chips all of them have different grade of problems | Feb 05 03:16 |
| MinceR | my point exactly | Feb 05 03:17 |
| MinceR | though this doesn't seem to be limited to ARM | Feb 05 03:17 |
| MinceR | just the problems chang | Feb 05 03:17 |
| MinceR | e | Feb 05 03:17 |
| oiaohm | Between GPL violations to mandate blobs so the socs start. | Feb 05 03:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to be correct arm compared to X86 most arm chips are better than x86 on the volume of blobs. Of course in power boards most arm boards are worse. | Feb 05 03:25 |
| oiaohm | The new FreeScale i.MX8M in the Purism's Librem 5 cannot init ram without a closed source blob. | Feb 05 03:27 |
| MinceR | fun | Feb 05 03:27 |
| oiaohm | That the problem I have no arm vendor does not make some socs that sux. | Feb 05 03:28 |
| oiaohm | At this stage you cannot say X brand of arm socs will give you as open as possible chip every single time. | Feb 05 03:29 |
| oiaohm | Its also why I am not willing to say I will not buy a particular brand either. That might cut me out of the most open chip for the job. | Feb 05 03:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's interesting that in Chrome OS Linux subsystem it says Linux 4.19 but that must be the Chrome OS Linux kernel with Debian 9's userland? | Feb 05 03:40 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/master/containers_and_vms.md Crostini under chromeos is very much like WSL2. Basically using the linux kernel kvm hypervisor to run debian kernel inside it. | Feb 05 03:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chromium.googlesource.com | Chromium OS Docs - Running Custom Containers Under Chrome OS | Feb 05 03:44 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The apps seem to run smoothly enough even on a 4 GB RAM Celeron 3350. | Feb 05 03:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's impressive. Doubt Backdoors 10 with WSL could keep up. | Feb 05 03:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi seems pretty good. | Feb 05 03:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got myself a nice @vivaldi.net email. | Feb 05 03:55 |
| MinceR | since microshit sucks at everything, them sucking at virtualization shouldn't be surprising :> | Feb 05 04:00 |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: are you good at hard drive recoveries? | Feb 05 07:14 |
| schestowitz | @all | Feb 05 07:21 |
| schestowitz | advice needed | Feb 05 07:21 |
| schestowitz | I've just had an incident here. | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | I won't moan, I will explain it and keep that short, concise. | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | From backup boxes I've just taken missing log bits, after my filesystem went read-only | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | It happened only once before, around 3 months ago... | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | Days ago I started noticing some warnings in dmesg | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | But hours ago it was too much for it... so read-only... boom! Nothing more logged to disk, not even new mail. I tried to shut down as cleanly as was possible. | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | I have not seen any obvious -- to me -- evidence of data loss, though I'm sure data 'eroded', based on the fscking I did. I had to reboot as it's a root partition. | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | Since the reboot I've seen more warnings, such as (in dmesg): | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 948.013574] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#21 CDB: Read(10) 28 00 09 e8 60 90 00 00 78 00 | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 948.013577] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 166224017 | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 948.013595] ata1: EH complete | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 978.696492] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0xfbc0000 SErr 0x0 action 0x0 | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 978.696500] ata1.00: irq_stat 0x40000008 | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 978.696506] ata1.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 978.696517] ata1.00: cmd 60/38:c0:b0:15:f0/00:00:08:00:00/40 tag 24 ncq 28672 in | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | res 41/40:00:b3:15:f0/00:00:08:00:00/40 Emask 0x409 (media error) <F> | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 978.696522] ata1.00: status: { DRDY ERR } | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 978.696525] ata1.00: error: { UNC } | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 978.701527] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100 | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 978.701562] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#24 FAILED Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 978.701569] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#24 Sense Key : Medium Error [current] [descriptor] | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 978.701575] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#24 Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 978.701582] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#24 CDB: Read(10) 28 00 08 f0 15 b0 00 00 38 00 | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 978.701586] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 149951923 | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | [ 978.701608] ata1: EH complete | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | The age of this disk is 11. It only went read-only twice in 3 or so months. Time to jog on and move to something else? The fsck did not show /lots/ of errors and they didn't seem like total show-stoppers, so... | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | It probably won't be long until the next such incident, as I still see some warnings. | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | Also, any way to check the extent of data loss? Or where something may have been corrupted (where in the filesystem)? | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | I will be off work this weekend, so can install Debian on another laptop (if need be...) | Feb 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | Should I attempt to stick with this box much longer? It's keyboard, screen, and batteries are already bust (I use external). | Feb 05 07:24 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: that reading like a drive that has run out of relocatable sectors. | Feb 05 07:26 |
| schestowitz | you mean spare ones to use as contingencies? | Feb 05 07:27 |
| schestowitz | (thanks, oiaohm, for helping) | Feb 05 07:27 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: moden day drives fsck does not show anything until you are well and truly in hell. | Feb 05 07:27 |
| oiaohm | smart system in the harddrive controller has space sectors it uses as contingencies to relocated data to as it finds errors. | Feb 05 07:28 |
| schestowitz | what is the prognosis? | Feb 05 07:28 |
| schestowitz | I would not swap a drive on this machine, it's worth less than a new driveb | Feb 05 07:28 |
| schestowitz | *drive | Feb 05 07:28 |
| schestowitz | so should I make more disk space available? It's 98% full | Feb 05 07:28 |
| schestowitz | the errors I saw back in October were more alarming | Feb 05 07:29 |
| schestowitz | dmesg even shouted in r ed color "THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. DATA WILL BE LOST!" | Feb 05 07:29 |
| schestowitz | or something to that effect | Feb 05 07:30 |
| schestowitz | but not this time, not that I saw anyway | Feb 05 07:30 |
| oiaohm | with modern day drives you should be under linux is running smartctl on them and watching Reallocated_Sector_Ct valve. | Feb 05 07:31 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I guess the drive with trouble will be reading 100 as in all spare sectors used. | Feb 05 07:32 |
| oiaohm | Once that happens it time to transfer the data off the drive to a new one. | Feb 05 07:33 |
| oiaohm | In some cases before. | Feb 05 07:33 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: smart means to reallocate sectors has no alignment to how full the drive is. Its more is the drive functioning correctly. | Feb 05 07:34 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I have used drives for non critical scratch data once they have this issue. But for any data you want safe not a good idea once smart is out of sectors to relocate with. | Feb 05 07:35 |
| schestowitz | is it worth persisting with this drive? | Feb 05 07:38 |
| schestowitz | some critical things, some not so critical | Feb 05 07:38 |
| schestowitz | and I have a stack of old backups, too | Feb 05 07:39 |
| schestowitz | in case some old stuff got corrupted | Feb 05 07:39 |
| schestowitz | over the past 1 hour I see no further errors in dmesh | Feb 05 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I did see some shortly after rebooting (new ones) | Feb 05 07:40 |
| schestowitz | I am also deleting some large files (media) at the moment to bring down disk usage | Feb 05 07:40 |
| *schestowitz thinks of moving to another machine as main workstation | Feb 05 07:47 | |
| *schestowitz thinks this one can become fallback/failsafe only, but migration will be lots of work | Feb 05 07:48 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: smart not repairing errors has no link to disc usage. | Feb 05 07:56 |
| oiaohm | Basically once you at that point you want to get everything crticial off that drive while that stuff is good. | Feb 05 07:57 |
| schestowitz | ok, thank you, oiaohm | Feb 05 07:57 |
| schestowitz | I will work to get off this machine | Feb 05 07:57 |
| schestowitz | except for contingencies | Feb 05 07:58 |
| schestowitz | I hoped last year's incident would be a one-off | Feb 05 07:58 |
| schestowitz | but this is the second time | Feb 05 07:58 |
| schestowitz | so two strikes, out... | Feb 05 07:58 |
| oiaohm | I have used drives in this failed stated as build drives and other things. | Feb 05 07:58 |
| oiaohm | Normally this is not two strikes and out. | Feb 05 07:58 |
| oiaohm | This is 1 strike and out. | Feb 05 07:58 |
| oiaohm | Because by the time smart throw error like that there has been at least 100 to 200 strikes that smart has handled already. | Feb 05 07:59 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: basically well and truly in the weeds of hell by the time that appears. | Feb 05 07:59 |
| schestowitz | thanks, oiaohm | Feb 05 08:00 |
| oiaohm | As a scratch drive that you don't care about the data on the drive. Drives with this kind of error can be used for another 5 to 10 years. | Feb 05 08:00 |
| schestowitz | message to a friend: | Feb 05 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > I'd migrate away, quickly. Those are all great big red warning flags. | Feb 05 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > The units are missing from the number 11 given above. Is that 11 months | Feb 05 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > or 11 years? If the former, it is still under warranty. If the latter, | Feb 05 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > consider it to be corrupting your data already. Since you only ever | Feb 05 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > work from home you might consider a tower with multiple drive bays and | Feb 05 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > run OpenZFS on them. Or else set up an ARM-based NAS with OpenZFS | Feb 05 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > underneath. The checksumming hinders data corruption. | Feb 05 08:00 |
| schestowitz | I think that I will, instead, go buy another second-hand (but not old) laptop and start migrating all my things to it. | Feb 05 08:00 |
| schestowitz | I still have stacks of backups predating those issue, so in theory, if I am eager (takes time), if some time in the future I find corrupt data I might be able to retrieve it from older backups. | Feb 05 08:00 |
| schestowitz | The more critical things I have are published material on the sites/servers. For that we have RAID and occasional backups offsite. | Feb 05 08:01 |
| schestowitz | This reminds me... I don't think that for TR we have a backup (offisite) of ~/public_html/wp-content/uploads/2019 and 2020 | Feb 05 08:01 |
| schestowitz | There are important docs there which older backups of mine still lack. | Feb 05 08:01 |
| schestowitz | Worth backing up those years (and latest DB) offsite, just to be safe... | Feb 05 08:01 |
| schestowitz | It'll likely be a hectic, hard day for me.... if we indeed buy another laptop and migration of my main workstation would take ages... so much stuff on it. | Feb 05 08:01 |
| schestowitz | ===== | Feb 05 08:01 |
| schestowitz | ^ we will also play extra safe with the server side now | Feb 05 08:01 |
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| schestowitz | on this machine I have some work-related stuff | Feb 05 08:01 |
| oiaohm | Normally when I get a second hand machine I replace the harddrive. | Feb 05 08:01 |
| schestowitz | depends... on a laptop and all.... | Feb 05 08:01 |
| schestowitz | trickier to open | Feb 05 08:02 |
| schestowitz | I swapped those before | Feb 05 08:02 |
| schestowitz | when I was 19 | Feb 05 08:02 |
| schestowitz | and put a new drive in... on a Compaq | Feb 05 08:02 |
| oiaohm | If the drive bay in the laptop is not simple to open I normally don't get the laptop. | Feb 05 08:02 |
| schestowitz | but... I reckon that other hardware issues might creep in before the drive wears off | Feb 05 08:02 |
| schestowitz | I need a laptop for some things, but... | Feb 05 08:02 |
| oiaohm | Harddrives in laptops is normally 1 of the first parts to major fail. | Feb 05 08:03 |
| schestowitz | could settle for a deskop again, as I have spare laptops | Feb 05 08:03 |
| oiaohm | for laptops being transported a lot I have got into fitting m.2 in converters to 2.5 drive cases. | Feb 05 08:03 |
| schestowitz | the second-hand ones anyway don't quite have 'windows tax' afaik | Feb 05 08:03 |
| oiaohm | Solid state is stronger for transport abuse. | Feb 05 08:03 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I have a dumb quesiion | Feb 05 08:05 |
| schestowitz | when I scp or rsync a file over | Feb 05 08:05 |
| schestowitz | will that flag surface level corruption at disk level? | Feb 05 08:05 |
| schestowitz | As when I backed up this disk I never saw any visible complaint in standard output | Feb 05 08:06 |
| schestowitz | (did not check dmesg) | Feb 05 08:06 |
| schestowitz | I just need to roughly know how much damage was done to the data | Feb 05 08:06 |
| schestowitz | hmmmm.... heck, maybe I can still use this machine just for IRC | Feb 05 08:07 |
| schestowitz | splitting the load a little, I have backups for the IRC logs anyway | Feb 05 08:07 |
| schestowitz | and/or as VPN gateway | Feb 05 08:07 |
| oiaohm | sometimes yes sometimes no. Sometimes you will have a message in dmseg that a sector was relocated and repaired those cases rsync and the like go forwards normally. | Feb 05 08:07 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Feb 05 08:07 |
| oiaohm | Other cases you will have sector access error. | Feb 05 08:07 |
| schestowitz | I will buy a laptop today, I think, toss Debian Buster on it | Feb 05 08:08 |
| oiaohm | Of course the smart repair may not have repaired it properly. | Feb 05 08:08 |
| schestowitz | so I will be working with 4 laptops in parallel | Feb 05 08:08 |
| schestowitz | never done this before | Feb 05 08:08 |
| schestowitz | I'll deiced what I can keep here on this HP | Feb 05 08:08 |
| schestowitz | IRC logging, music etc. | Feb 05 08:08 |
| oiaohm | Do consider the option of just replacing the drive in the laptop. | Feb 05 08:08 |
| schestowitz | no | Feb 05 08:09 |
| schestowitz | it's a bad state laptop... | Feb 05 08:09 |
| schestowitz | not worth it | Feb 05 08:09 |
| schestowitz | keyboard not good | Feb 05 08:09 |
| schestowitz | screen not working | Feb 05 08:09 |
| schestowitz | no battery | Feb 05 08:09 |
| schestowitz | only 2gb of ram | Feb 05 08:09 |
| oiaohm | So other parts have failed and it been dead man walking. | Feb 05 08:09 |
| schestowitz | so sooner or later it will be obsolete anyway | Feb 05 08:09 |
| schestowitz | yes, it's screenless, keyboardless POS | Feb 05 08:09 |
| oiaohm | drive is just final nail. | Feb 05 08:09 |
| schestowitz | it's like a desktop under the desk now | Feb 05 08:09 |
| schestowitz | connected to USB devices and VGA port for screen | Feb 05 08:10 |
| schestowitz | it's from 2009 | Feb 05 08:10 |
| schestowitz | I'll move all my files to the new machine (if I buy one today) | Feb 05 08:10 |
| schestowitz | this one I'll decide what functions it can still have... nothing where data is critical | Feb 05 08:11 |
| oiaohm | With failing sectors that can fail randomally where ever on that drive it possible to have a boot failure and other horrible things at any time from now on. | Feb 05 08:11 |
| schestowitz | jabber, irc, maybe some browsing | Feb 05 08:11 |
| oiaohm | Any time from the first major error message. | Feb 05 08:11 |
| schestowitz | yes, I know | Feb 05 08:11 |
| oiaohm | Reason why for key data and OS drive I will always replace drives in this broken state. | Feb 05 08:11 |
| schestowitz | I had a a couple of ailing reboot attempted earlier | Feb 05 08:11 |
| oiaohm | By one means or another. | Feb 05 08:12 |
| schestowitz | but only IF the laptop or desktop as a whole has more legs left to it | Feb 05 08:12 |
| schestowitz | this one has had no screen for over a year | Feb 05 08:12 |
| oiaohm | My desktop machines are full ATX cases. | Feb 05 08:12 |
| schestowitz | battery not there for almost 1 decade | Feb 05 08:12 |
| schestowitz | it had no juice in it, it only made it heavier | Feb 05 08:12 |
| schestowitz | brb | Feb 05 08:13 |
| schestowitz | ok, am back | Feb 05 08:18 |
| schestowitz | the laptop with no working screen is on the floor | Feb 05 08:18 |
| schestowitz | I think I can fit another laptop on the des | Feb 05 08:18 |
| schestowitz | *disk | Feb 05 08:18 |
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| schestowitz | the important thing is, its hard drive should be ok | Feb 05 08:19 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it is arranged like this | Feb 05 08:19 |
| schestowitz | screen on the left is the main laptop, which is actually on the carpet | Feb 05 08:19 |
| schestowitz | the two visible laptops don't have on them critical data | Feb 05 08:20 |
| schestowitz | I use them for things like editing and browsing, temporally | Feb 05 08:20 |
| schestowitz | synergy connects the mouse and keyboard to all of them | Feb 05 08:20 |
| schestowitz | I suppose that for purposes of synergy 'centralisation' I can stay with this same laptop | Feb 05 08:21 |
| schestowitz | as in case it won't boot I can send the USB ports to the new main laptop | Feb 05 08:21 |
| schestowitz | which will deal with files, mail, etc. | Feb 05 08:21 |
| schestowitz | the critical data stuff | Feb 05 08:21 |
| schestowitz | I can make the migration sort of staged, with a major snapshot taken overnight of /home | Feb 05 08:22 |
| schestowitz | and then the 'live' /home becomes the new laptop -- a second-hand one actually | Feb 05 08:22 |
| schestowitz | but then no need to keep it in sync anymore | Feb 05 08:22 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: you need to get in the habit of using smartctl and monitoring the status of your drives so these problems don't sneak up on you. | Feb 05 09:24 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yeah, since the last issue I sometimes took a look at dmesg | Feb 05 10:00 |
| schestowitz | periodicall | Feb 05 10:00 |
| schestowitz | periodically | Feb 05 10:00 |
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| schestowitz | but nothing more | Feb 05 10:00 |
| schestowitz | saw some warning signs days ago | Feb 05 10:00 |
| schestowitz | before it went RO | Feb 05 10:00 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I have in fact just checked again | Feb 05 10:01 |
| schestowitz | no further FS-related panics | Feb 05 10:01 |
| schestowitz | only the usuals | Feb 05 10:01 |
| schestowitz | 0 | Feb 05 10:02 |
| schestowitz | [ 4400.425101] perf interrupt took too long (5002 > 5000), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 25000 | Feb 05 10:02 |
| schestowitz | [10093.558864] CPU1: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 1) | Feb 05 10:02 |
| schestowitz | [10093.558879] mce: [Hardware Error]: Machine check events logged | Feb 05 10:02 |
| schestowitz | [10093.559515] CPU1: Core temperature/speed normal | Feb 05 10:02 |
| schestowitz | [10093.559523] mce: [Hardware Error]: Machine check events logged | Feb 05 10:02 |
| schestowitz | I never changed thermal paste or anything | Feb 05 10:02 |
| schestowitz | so overheating issues are there also | Feb 05 10:02 |
| schestowitz | and CPU throttled down | Feb 05 10:02 |
| schestowitz | time for another machine | Feb 05 10:02 |
| schestowitz | we leave home in a few minutes | Feb 05 10:02 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: intel processors coming up to end of life start generating more heat so changing paste does not always help. | Feb 05 10:22 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19121955 | Feb 05 15:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Feb 05 15:16 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: got a new laptop | Feb 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz | well, almost new | Feb 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz | hp probook | Feb 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz | ssd | Feb 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz | which I assume it likely to last longer | Feb 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: intelligent design at Tesla | Feb 05 15:50 |
| schestowitz | everything happens for a reason :- | Feb 05 15:50 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 05 15:51 |
| MinceR | too often the reason is incompetence | Feb 05 15:51 |
| MinceR | or just not giving a shit | Feb 05 15:51 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19121938 | Feb 05 16:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Feb 05 16:00 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19121928 | Feb 05 16:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Feb 05 16:29 | |
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| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/16/45b1e9c3573704e5.mp4 | Feb 05 16:50 |
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| Guest84978 | Hi guys :-) I can't see how to claim name. Was in as a guest couple days ago, re non-sysd and pclinuxos et | Feb 05 17:16 |
| Guest84978 | *etc | Feb 05 17:16 |
| XRevan86 | Guest84978: Well, it means you're trying names that are already registered. | Feb 05 17:17 |
| Guest84978 | I see, thanks | Feb 05 17:17 |
| Guest84978 | Will try a different name next time | Feb 05 17:17 |
| XRevan86 | So Freenode renames you back to a stub name. | Feb 05 17:17 |
| XRevan86 | Guest84978: You can try something else with /nick | Feb 05 17:17 |
| Guest84978 | I wondered; good to know | Feb 05 17:17 |
| Guest84978 | am trying, lol | Feb 05 17:17 |
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| Mogz | Aha! | Feb 05 17:18 |
| Mogz | success | Feb 05 17:18 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Aj7W3g1qo | Feb 05 17:19 |
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| Mogz | lol, can't go wrong with Monty Python | Feb 05 17:19 |
| Mogz | lol, "it took me hours" | Feb 05 17:20 |
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| Mogz | eek, licking wounds after yesterday trying to install a non-sysd ... pclinuxos and devuan failed bootloader, then mxlinux the most bloated (non-privacy focussed) distro I've encountered, even though it runs well | Feb 05 17:22 |
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| Mogz | Ideally, want to go to a BSD, but what do you do when you're a beginner/(low-level) intermediate, lol? | Feb 05 17:23 |
| MinceR | you learn | Feb 05 17:23 |
| Mogz | Seeing new gui installers come out for BSDs ... exGENT and FuryBSD | Feb 05 17:23 |
| Mogz | I know my limits, plus dealing with health issues. | Feb 05 17:24 |
| MinceR | having a separate computer (or VM) to learn a new OS helps | Feb 05 17:24 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: I've never tried Devuan's installer, but there are two ways of mitigating it if it gives you problems: 1. install Debian and convert, 2. debootstrap | Feb 05 17:24 |
| Mogz | I did arch the proper way, but because I found a proper step-by-step guide ... I learnt something about how things are, but know I'll never be super-tech, but simply decent maintenance, and the 'do nothing stupid/fiddly' kind | Feb 05 17:24 |
| Mogz | I don't even understand that (re devuan alternative method); sorry | Feb 05 17:25 |
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| MinceR | there's a manual method for debian/devuan via debootstrap, it's documented in debian's docs | Feb 05 17:25 |
| Mogz | That's the worrying thing; what do non-supertechs do to get away from systemd-homed? | Feb 05 17:25 |
| MinceR | bedrock would be yet another way, but it's probably not for newbs :> | Feb 05 17:25 |
| MinceR | i run non-systemd OS-es | Feb 05 17:25 |
| MinceR | if i had to run a systemd distro (probably for work), i'd probably keep most of my files outside /home | Feb 05 17:26 |
| Mogz | Disappointed in pclinuxos and devuan, as it would really help the non-systemd side of linux if the bootloaders worked. There are non-tech linux users who do other stuff, like donate etc, but it's like watching the sea go out and all the rubbish left showing, when you don't have the actual mental ability to do more tech stuff, but want to be | Feb 05 17:27 |
| Mogz | systemd-free | Feb 05 17:27 |
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| Mogz | Even though I watched install vids, read forum threads (all of which contradicted), read other forum threads, just could not find out how to fix the bootloader (pclinuxos) | Feb 05 17:31 |
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| Mogz | I think the only way non-systemd will expand on linux is if people make it more accessible, as not everyone is great at tech, but can be good at other ways of contributing e.g. art, donating, dtp, etc. | Feb 05 17:35 |
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| Mogz | Anyways, I'll not get involved in the systemd/non-systemd further ... no point, if it's not accessible. It'll end up being Tails in order to order groceries, quick check round, then shut the pc down, lol. | Feb 05 17:37 |
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| Mogz | At least don't need to donate any more, as won't fund systemd or exclusivity etc. | Feb 05 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | [17:27] <Mogz> Disappointed in pclinuxos and devuan, as it would really help the non-systemd side of linux if the bootloaders worked. There are non-tech linux users who do other stuff, like donate etc, but it's like watching the sea go out and all the rubbish left showing, when you don't have the actual mental ability to do more tech stuff, but want to be | Feb 05 18:45 |
| schestowitz | we are installing Debian at the moment | Feb 05 18:45 |
| schestowitz | just had to pull some firmware blobs for wifi | Feb 05 18:45 |
| schestowitz | We did the same last month | Feb 05 18:46 |
| schestowitz | this morning someone asked me to try Devuan instead | Feb 05 18:46 |
| MinceR | i usually just use the Wi-Pi for installing lately if Ethernet is unavailable | Feb 05 18:46 |
| MinceR | it works without downloading any blobs :> | Feb 05 18:46 |
| MinceR | also, Mogz is gone | Feb 05 18:46 |
| schestowitz | yeah, but eventually if you want working wifi... | Feb 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz | I am no fan of wifi myself | Feb 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz | but the router/hub is on another flood | Feb 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz | floor | Feb 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz | and we already use one 13-meter cable | Feb 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz | for a Cisco phone that does no wi-fi | Feb 05 18:47 |
| MinceR | by then i have the firmware installed for the integrated intel stuff :> | Feb 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz | fair point | Feb 05 18:56 |
| schestowitz | nice funny pics btw | Feb 05 18:56 |
| schestowitz | we esp. liked the cat pawing the whatever it is... chicken? | Feb 05 18:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > Daniel Peterson: this intel atom thing has nonfree boot firmware as well | Feb 05 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems like the Celeron 3350N is the new Atom. | Feb 05 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's hard to outdo Bay Fail for overall shitty design of a mobile platform. | Feb 05 19:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even Microsoft gave up and marooned Intel Bay Fail customers on security updates only life support for 18 months. They were the first, but not the last. | Feb 05 19:12 |
| XRevan86 | Devuan .iso's don't include firmware blobs? | Feb 05 19:13 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | There's unofficial ones that do, but they hide those. | Feb 05 19:13 |
| MinceR | yeah, i think it was chicken | Feb 05 19:14 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Same as Debian then? | Feb 05 19:15 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/25/66f0646b2b59ee38.jpg | Feb 05 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | [19:13] <XRevan86> Devuan .iso's don't include firmware blobs? | Feb 05 19:22 |
| schestowitz | I wondered the same | Feb 05 19:22 |
| schestowitz | but I have experience getting them if needed, so that does not scare me like the first time... | Feb 05 19:22 |
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| *XRevan86 looks at reviews of Motorola (Lenovo) Razr (2019) | Feb 05 19:30 | |
| XRevan86 | This looks… like a useful application of foldable screens. Neat. | Feb 05 19:30 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I learnt how to debootstrap very early on in my experience with Debian (and GNU/Linux, and UNIX-like in general), just to avoid dealing with the installer | Feb 05 19:31 |
| XRevan86 | because I only had a wireless connection at convenience. | Feb 05 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | Motorola?! | Feb 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | The one we bought is a second-hand HP ProBppk today | Feb 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | this will be my main PC | Feb 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | it only cost 199 pounds | Feb 05 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes, Motorola is still active | Feb 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | in the legal part. | Feb 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | and maybe licensing | Feb 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | maybe they just licensed some chinese factory to slam the "M" on its shit | Feb 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | mnh | Feb 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | helps sell better | Feb 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | makes it sound Ammmmmmeri-CAN | Feb 05 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | I don't know what relationship it has with its parent company. | Feb 05 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | It's pretty compact, and I think there will be a lot more devices like that in the future. | Feb 05 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Fenix has got itself WebExt support (not released yet). | Feb 05 19:58 |
| MinceR | good | Feb 05 20:00 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Sparky 5.10.1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133763 [https://pleroma.site/objects/86fc48ea-f41f-4f45-9e2b-9b95714dc132] | Feb 05 20:12 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fan-cooled Raspberry Pi enclosure supplies screw terminals for GPIOs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133764 [https://pleroma.site/objects/33a3e252-2f11-49ff-a5d7-4200bba8957a] | Feb 05 20:13 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Simplicity Linux 20.1 Released with New Gaming Edition, Cinnamon Desktop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133726#comment-23566 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fd9fd882-74b6-48e5-b0eb-4263dea3e436] | Feb 05 20:15 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/16/9fe6e7abdcbfe422.jpg | Feb 05 20:15 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian-Based SparkyLinux 5.10.1 Brings Latest Buster Updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133763#comment-23567 [https://pleroma.site/objects/30347f13-d9b7-4f37-8ce3-dc9f70541831] | Feb 05 20:39 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133765 [https://pleroma.site/objects/de89eb9c-dc72-4636-b90a-5976ae837fdf] | Feb 05 20:39 | |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/25/9abe967e607e031a.mp4 | Feb 05 20:39 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/24/c3073a85a3b74f25.jpg | Feb 05 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In January's patch update for my Galaxy S8+, there were 17 Critical vulnerabilities fixed. 5 of them were in Android and 12 were in things that Samsung added to Android. | Feb 05 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course I removed/disabled a lot of that, including yanking out the entire Samsung Pay framework because it kept trying to turn NFC on and possibly make my phone vulnerable to anything I happened to walk too close to. Plus, it's bloat. | Feb 05 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And with Samsung getting ready to abandon the phone for turning three, that's just what you want to have in there. :P | Feb 05 21:20 |
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| psydroid | I don't know what Wintel did with Atom hardware but I have had good experiences recently with hardware from 5 years ago, as it runs Linux pretty well prolonging life far beyond what Windows would be able to offer on that same hardware | Feb 05 22:20 |
| psydroid | this laptop from today only cost €50 and the touchpad works well too | Feb 05 22:20 |
| psydroid | the seller was running Windows 10 on it with a USB mouse attached | Feb 05 22:21 |
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| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot from 2020-02-05 16-48-33.png (149KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/VXMxUToQmIhsUykbBLiTaUnq > | Feb 05 22:53 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Why would you have the address bar at the bottom on a tablet? | Feb 05 22:55 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's a laptop. | Feb 05 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And because I can. | Feb 05 22:57 |
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| XRevan86 | Oh, it's GNOME Shell, right. On a sleepy eye it looked like Android %) | Feb 05 23:00 |
| XRevan86 | and on Android bottom address bar is trendy and makes sense | Feb 05 23:00 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I see you use Google stuff | Feb 05 23:01 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ05sjqVwCQ | Feb 05 23:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Люди в ШОКЕ! Реакция людей на Самую Низкую НИВУ. Выезд ТЕКСТУРЫ - YouTube | Feb 05 23:02 | |
| *XRevan86 looks at the title: oh no, what did they do this time? | Feb 05 23:02 | |
| XRevan86 | oh, it's just car enthusiasts | Feb 05 23:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 05 23:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've been checking out Vivaldi mail. | Feb 05 23:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They give you 5 GB and my Gmail has turned mostly into spam. | Feb 05 23:15 |
| *XRevan86 looks at the channel | Feb 05 23:16 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: they are mad! | Feb 05 23:16 |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/16/0e36195f038e1fd8.jpg | Feb 05 23:55 |
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