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| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Localist Russia has interests in Africa and sends PMC's there. | Jul 06 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | CrystalMath: and we can mock them for it | Jul 06 00:00 |
| schestowitz | it's a choice, not a birth condition | Jul 06 00:01 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: but not really since there's nothing wrong with it :) | Jul 06 00:01 |
| schestowitz | like people so insecure about hair loss that they have hair implanted in their skull | Jul 06 00:01 |
| schestowitz | (no practical value to it) | Jul 06 00:01 |
| CrystalMath | well people like to have hair | Jul 06 00:01 |
| CrystalMath | so why not | Jul 06 00:01 |
| schestowitz | as they like youth | Jul 06 00:01 |
| schestowitz | but it doesn't mean they need to play with nature | Jul 06 00:02 |
| XRevan86 | Putin doesn't like wrinkles, so how he has less than he has in his 40s | Jul 06 00:02 |
| CrystalMath | it doesn't mean that they shouldn't play with nature | Jul 06 00:02 |
| XRevan86 | * he had | Jul 06 00:02 |
| CrystalMath | after all women do all these things | Jul 06 00:02 |
| schestowitz | women want attention and can get it with unnatural, implanted "boobs" | Jul 06 00:02 |
| AVRS | like some people bet on something saying they'll shave their head if they lose | Jul 06 00:02 |
| schestowitz | does not mean they ought to | Jul 06 00:02 |
| schestowitz | or man on anabolic steroids | Jul 06 00:02 |
| schestowitz | *men | Jul 06 00:02 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: yeah but they do, and so what? | Jul 06 00:02 |
| CrystalMath | people own their own bodies, and are free to express themselves by modifying them | Jul 06 00:03 |
| CrystalMath | Trump's way of expression is being orange | Jul 06 00:03 |
| CrystalMath | someone else could be green(?!) or whatever | Jul 06 00:03 |
| schestowitz | yes, and we can joke about that | Jul 06 00:03 |
| CrystalMath | yes but there's nothing wrong with this form of expression | Jul 06 00:03 |
| schestowitz | being black skinned, however, is not a choice | Jul 06 00:03 |
| CrystalMath | what i really hate, when i go outside, is seeing how everyone 50 or under is so "uniformed" | Jul 06 00:04 |
| schestowitz | same for race versus religion | Jul 06 00:04 |
| CrystalMath | like they have no personality | Jul 06 00:04 |
| schestowitz | mocking religion: ok. Race: not. | Jul 06 00:04 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: One very important thing to know about the Russian state is that they *never* admit anything. Even if you corner them with evidence, they will still not admit anything. | Jul 06 00:04 |
| CrystalMath | i wish someone would just do something crazy with themself like i do | Jul 06 00:04 |
| XRevan86 | It's amazing, really. | Jul 06 00:04 |
| CrystalMath | well okay i'm not too crazy, but at least i have long hair | Jul 06 00:04 |
| CrystalMath | that's *something* | Jul 06 00:04 |
| XRevan86 | and happens on all levels | Jul 06 00:04 |
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| CrystalMath | what i hate is seeing all these factory-printed printed people everywhere, all the same :( | Jul 06 00:05 |
| CrystalMath | so i'm very happy that Trump paints himself orange | Jul 06 00:05 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i ignore race precisely because it wasn't a choice | Jul 06 00:05 |
| CrystalMath | people should CHOOSE to be different, not | Jul 06 00:05 |
| CrystalMath | not just be different | Jul 06 00:06 |
| CrystalMath | that's true individualism in action | Jul 06 00:06 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: The SJWs assailed RMS for having his own dictionary… While his nicknames for politicians he doesn't like look stupid… could that be something like the euphemisms for banks and telcos that Russians use when criticising those, in hope smaller chances of being sued? | Jul 06 00:06 |
| XRevan86 | And I say that because if you trust official Russian sources, then there are no PMC's, they are illegal after all. | Jul 06 00:06 |
| CrystalMath | RMS is different | Jul 06 00:06 |
| AVRS | CrystalMath: sure, he doesn't name them with irrelevant words | Jul 06 00:07 |
| AVRS | and the enraged crowd didn't care | Jul 06 00:08 |
| AVRS | The Russian euphemisms are innocuous: "green bank", "red telco" | Jul 06 00:11 |
| AVRS | based on the logos | Jul 06 00:11 |
| *XRevan86 pities the English language for not having the beautiful word "opsos" | Jul 06 00:11 | |
| AVRS | a hyponym: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cellco | Jul 06 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | cellco - Wiktionary | Jul 06 00:12 | |
| schestowitz | AVRS: rms did not like misuse of the word "assault" | Jul 06 00:12 |
| schestowitz | he based this on what others before him had said | Jul 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | that the word was overused | Jul 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | there are similar ones like "verbal violence" | Jul 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | as if insulting people should have the same punishment as assaulting them physically | Jul 06 00:13 |
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| AVRS | schestowitz: SJWs attacked this: https://www.stallman.org/glossary.html | Jul 06 00:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stallman.org | Glossary | Jul 06 00:13 | |
| schestowitz | which BTW is a longstandign topic, seen some youtube videos about it a decade back | Jul 06 00:13 |
| AVRS | briefly, but strongly | Jul 06 00:14 |
| schestowitz | what is sjw in this context? who exactly? link? | Jul 06 00:14 |
| AVRS | in comments to the long anti-RMS Twitter tirade | Jul 06 00:14 |
| schestowitz | in his front page he challenged "sexual assault" several times | Jul 06 00:14 |
| schestowitz | and said that it can be "stealing a kiss" | Jul 06 00:14 |
| schestowitz | while he complained that cops actually assaulting people was downplayed | Jul 06 00:15 |
| schestowitz | so what he said in the mit mailing list was more or less consistent with what he had said just months earlier | Jul 06 00:15 |
| schestowitz | twitter is shit | Jul 06 00:15 |
| schestowitz | it should be disregarded | Jul 06 00:15 |
| AVRS | well, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior is written from the POV of SJWs, as is everything in enwiki, unfortunately, but I mean extremists | Jul 06 00:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Social justice warrior - Wikipedia | Jul 06 00:15 | |
| schestowitz | it got a lot worse in recent years | Jul 06 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I really like downthemall. | Jul 06 00:16 |
| schestowitz | AVRS: it's still a value concept | Jul 06 00:16 |
| schestowitz | I know where the term comes from | Jul 06 00:16 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: And if you read what I write here, you noticed that Putin didn't even give the Russian people a proper referendum when changing the de-jure foundation of the Russian Federation. | Jul 06 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Open like a million Firefox tabs and press one button and then close all tabs to the right when it's done. | Jul 06 00:16 |
| schestowitz | but i'd rather you said "salesforce staff said.." | Jul 06 00:16 |
| schestowitz | or "some asian cult said" | Jul 06 00:16 |
| schestowitz | not "sjw" as it doesn't say much | Jul 06 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Somehow I just can't help myself. I shout "Shaboomboom!" (from Rick & Morty). | Jul 06 00:16 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: not sure, but it was a long series of tweets by someone whose username started with an "s". | Jul 06 00:17 |
| AVRS | with the antirms hash tag, of course | Jul 06 00:17 |
| schestowitz | twitter will collapse soon | Jul 06 00:17 |
| schestowitz | maybe 5 years | Jul 06 00:17 |
| schestowitz | people already left in droves 2-3 years ago | Jul 06 00:17 |
| schestowitz | traffic in twitter is rapidly decreasing for most people | Jul 06 00:17 |
| schestowitz | gov. depts use of this crap site is what keeps is hanging | Jul 06 00:18 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: to fediverse due to Nazis, then Nazis themselves due to censorship of them? | Jul 06 00:18 |
| AVRS | and then some Indian group | Jul 06 00:18 |
| schestowitz | fediverse is not growing much, either | Jul 06 00:18 |
| schestowitz | I hope all this fad ends asap | Jul 06 00:18 |
| schestowitz | they had a 'good' run | Jul 06 00:18 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: But he wanted a facade of approval, so he made up a quasi-legal procedure that was less strict than kids voting on who will be the first "it". | Jul 06 00:18 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: twitter in a lot of ways has started censoring out what would be their most dependable customers. | Jul 06 00:18 |
| schestowitz | but it's time to move on | Jul 06 00:18 |
| schestowitz | I log into twitter for about 3 mins a day just to see replies in notifications, then leave it away for another day | Jul 06 00:20 |
| AVRS | I only read Twitter, and that since recent times, and my brief use of Identi.ca was way before Fediverse | Jul 06 00:20 |
| schestowitz | it's just 'there in the background', with automated copies of things fed into it | Jul 06 00:20 |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: identi.ca was part of the fediverse | Jul 06 00:20 |
| AVRS | XRevan86: there was no such word though | Jul 06 00:20 |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: It's an old word | Jul 06 00:20 |
| AVRS | XRevan86: it was when MediaGoblin was still in active development | Jul 06 00:20 |
| schestowitz | IRC is still vastly better than statusnet | Jul 06 00:21 |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: Fediverse was a word to mean the OStatus federation, and it predates MediaGoblin. | Jul 06 00:21 |
| AVRS | XRevan86: but it was to be expected that cwebber would sign that letter… | Jul 06 00:21 |
| schestowitz | MediaGolblin imitates a failing thing too | Jul 06 00:21 |
| schestowitz | youtube/soapbox | Jul 06 00:21 |
| schestowitz | streaming platforms, not even p2p | Jul 06 00:21 |
| schestowitz | peertube has better prospects | Jul 06 00:21 |
| AVRS | Meh, MediaGoblin's advertisement site broke very soon. | Jul 06 00:21 |
| schestowitz | video is expensive to host/store and serve at scale | Jul 06 00:22 |
| XRevan86 | Hm, MediaGoblin is a bit older than I thought. | Jul 06 00:22 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, in 2012 the word was there. | Jul 06 00:22 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Twitter Lot of what is happening to twitter is government deciding to regulate internet stuff. | Jul 06 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Censorship of Twitter - Wikipedia | Jul 06 00:22 | |
| AVRS | I can only guess that many of its main developers spend all their time on feminist propaganda. | Jul 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: youtube now censors the 'men's rights' accounts | Jul 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | which isn't even racist | Jul 06 00:22 |
| AVRS | XRevan86: OK; I remember "OStatus" and "federation" were there. | Jul 06 00:23 |
| schestowitz | anything seen as unsavoury for corporate agenda of posing as "ethical" | Jul 06 00:23 |
| schestowitz | I hope they all collapse | Jul 06 00:23 |
| schestowitz | the sooner, the better | Jul 06 00:23 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: "men's rights" has a meaning of sexism, you know. Like the assertion that only men can be sexist. | Jul 06 00:23 |
| schestowitz | they might even learn a lesson or two | Jul 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | youtube profitable? | Jul 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | I think it's the only one that is | Jul 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | among video hosts... as it starts forcing people to watch ads, with no chance of skipping, even mid-video | Jul 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | twitter decline started years ago, then it accelerated the demise to push ads and spying, by cutting off third-party apis | Jul 06 00:25 |
| schestowitz | twitter traffic isn't the same anymore, FB I don't know about... never cares for it | Jul 06 00:25 |
| schestowitz | maybe all this "app" culture will also collapse next | Jul 06 00:25 |
| schestowitz | AVRS: not my term | Jul 06 00:26 |
| schestowitz | someone tried to stigmatise techrights with that term... alluding to a guest post of someone from india | Jul 06 00:26 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/07/tech/twitter-earnings-q4/index.html all those horrible things twitter has done has in fact moved it into profit instead of loss for now. | Jul 06 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | Twitter has its first profitable year - CNN | Jul 06 00:28 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: wait | Jul 06 00:29 |
| schestowitz | they lost money for a decade | Jul 06 00:29 |
| schestowitz | and were funded by saudis and others | Jul 06 00:29 |
| schestowitz | only after they decided to spam everyone with ads | Jul 06 00:29 |
| schestowitz | then they declared 'profits' for the first time | Jul 06 00:30 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: well, I am mixing the Wikipedia articles on Men's rights movement, Masculism etc | Jul 06 00:30 |
| schestowitz | but their traffic seems to have collapsed | Jul 06 00:30 |
| schestowitz | so in effect, after losing like 2 billion dollars, they just squeeze the goose | Jul 06 00:30 |
| schestowitz | and they will kill the goose | Jul 06 00:30 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: check their traffic since 2017 | Jul 06 00:30 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: I think a Russian article has been rewritten at least once to make something appear more sexist, but maybe I forget. | Jul 06 00:30 |
| schestowitz | it's just a trump battleground | Jul 06 00:30 |
| schestowitz | and the rest is being let go | Jul 06 00:31 |
| schestowitz | AVRS: not sure | Jul 06 00:31 |
| oiaohm | True but advertises will not tolerate being linked with particular content and governments start making trouble once you start profiting from content they don't tollerate either. | Jul 06 00:31 |
| schestowitz | every now and then someone will try to frame an honest article as sexist | Jul 06 00:31 |
| schestowitz | or 'guised' sexism or something... | Jul 06 00:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: twitter will die | Jul 06 00:32 |
| schestowitz | like all sites | Jul 06 00:32 |
| schestowitz | but... maybe a lot faster | Jul 06 00:32 |
| oiaohm | Youtube, twitter.... all of them on the path to profitable by advertising will run into the same problem. | Jul 06 00:32 |
| schestowitz | it was ok in sms era | Jul 06 00:32 |
| schestowitz | not they think doubling # of chars will save them | Jul 06 00:32 |
| schestowitz | they did this when the site was declining | Jul 06 00:32 |
| schestowitz | it peaked, perhaps, around 4 years ago | Jul 06 00:32 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes | Jul 06 00:32 |
| schestowitz | they kill the goose | Jul 06 00:32 |
| schestowitz | their main attraction is being 'canceled' | Jul 06 00:33 |
| schestowitz | to attract advertisers | Jul 06 00:33 |
| schestowitz | they also cut off certain mashups and apis | Jul 06 00:33 |
| oiaohm | and if they don't get income sooner or latter they will run out of cash and die as well. | Jul 06 00:33 |
| schestowitz | which then dooms them, as it's what made them convenient and attractive | Jul 06 00:33 |
| oiaohm | Running servers is not cheap. | Jul 06 00:33 |
| schestowitz | is youtube profitable? hard to tell | Jul 06 00:33 |
| schestowitz | i don't think google breaks down advertising revenue based on source/platform | Jul 06 00:34 |
| schestowitz | youtube bandwidth alone is very expensive | Jul 06 00:34 |
| schestowitz | i heard netflix was bleeding lots of money too | Jul 06 00:34 |
| schestowitz | tesla claims to be worth a fortune, but never shows anything for it except losses, losses and more losses | Jul 06 00:34 |
| schestowitz | uber already collapses | Jul 06 00:34 |
| schestowitz | covid19 was the final nail on that coffin | Jul 06 00:35 |
| schestowitz | toulet paper economy, with "successful" companies being mostly ponzi schemes useful for imperial agenda and social control, "full spectrum dominance" | Jul 06 00:35 |
| schestowitz | "The Final Bankruptcy" (2020), directed by DOnald Trump | Jul 06 00:36 |
| schestowitz | coming soon to cinemas near you | Jul 06 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Donald Trump, orchestrator of six prior bankruptcies and countless sex scandals, in final feature movie before retirement... featuring cops with grenade launchers and bayonets | Jul 06 00:37 |
| AVRS | Are death threats so popular in the U.S. and Western Europe? | Jul 06 00:37 |
| schestowitz | veiled ones | Jul 06 00:37 |
| AVRS | e.g. Gamergate | Jul 06 00:37 |
| schestowitz | I got loads of threats, more than I can remember | Jul 06 00:37 |
| AVRS | and rape threats | Jul 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | it's worse in China | Jul 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | but underreported | Jul 06 00:38 |
| AVRS | or more like more believable | Jul 06 00:38 |
| schestowitz | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/07/tv-journalist-brutally-murdered-in-bulgarian-town-of-ruse | Jul 06 00:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Viktoria Marinova: Bulgarian TV journalist raped and murdered | World news | The Guardian | Jul 06 00:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://time.com/5418209/bulgaria-journalist-viktoria-marinova-killed/ | Jul 06 00:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bulgarian TV Journalist Viktoria Marinova Raped and Killed | Time | Jul 06 00:39 | |
| schestowitz | http://en.protothema.gr/bulgarian-journalist-viktoria-marinova-raped-and-murdered-video-photos/ | Jul 06 00:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.protothema.gr | Bulgarian journalist Viktoria Marinova raped and murdered (video-photos) | protothemanews.com | Jul 06 00:39 | |
| AVRS | There are, of course, violents in Russia who like threatening random people with beating ups | Jul 06 00:39 |
| XRevan86 | and get away with it | Jul 06 00:40 |
| schestowitz | There's a country where the head of state incites for violence | Jul 06 00:40 |
| schestowitz | and some people execute on it | Jul 06 00:40 |
| schestowitz | it's a country in north America | Jul 06 00:41 |
| schestowitz | (not Mexico, which is like the world's deadliest for journalists) | Jul 06 00:41 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: I can't connect to the Greek server | Jul 06 00:41 |
| AVRS | it redirects to en.protothema | Jul 06 00:41 |
| schestowitz | I don't know that site | Jul 06 00:41 |
| schestowitz | just copies from searx search results | Jul 06 00:41 |
| schestowitz | brb, need to do some articles.. | Jul 06 00:44 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139539 [https://pleroma.site/objects/15f76ed0-900c-4c37-82f4-7ba7504702dc] | Jul 06 00:45 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139540 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8fba3fe6-1e9e-4f9f-afb7-81fe98c0248f] | Jul 06 00:47 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: German Translation in the Brave Desktop Browser: A moan about localisation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139541 [https://pleroma.site/objects/17675dab-0679-4951-968c-768aa1f35b7f] | Jul 06 00:50 | |
| *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights | Jul 06 00:53 | |
| schestowitz | A quarter of today's new covid19 cases worldwide... in the US. This is going to result in another quarantine/lockdown. 45k on a Sunday isn't "OK"... | Jul 06 00:55 |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: Okay, cannot find evidence of "fediverse" before 2013. It probably existed since it was well-established in 2013. | Jul 06 01:01 |
| XRevan86 | A group "identiverse" existed in identi.ca since Dec 2010, with sebsebseb as an admin. | Jul 06 01:01 |
| AVRS | XRevan86: ok: there was no search at identi.ca, so I only saw the few people related to those to whom I subscribed… either of the developers of StatusNet/pump.io or of MediaGoblin (feminists) | Jul 06 01:08 |
| AVRS | so there were few to subscribe to without getting uninteresting stuff | Jul 06 01:09 |
| schestowitz | I stopped posting in identica | Jul 06 01:09 |
| schestowitz | as it seemed like a dead zone | Jul 06 01:09 |
| schestowitz | they never really recovered after a failed upgrade/migration | Jul 06 01:09 |
| XRevan86 | https://web.archive.org/web/20090220200347/http://identi.ca/schestowitz hello world :) | Jul 06 01:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | schestowitz - Identi.ca | Jul 06 01:09 | |
| schestowitz | tmsnco dragged me there | Jul 06 01:10 |
| schestowitz | you can still see him named (on the side) | Jul 06 01:10 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb has not been here for a while | Jul 06 01:10 |
| schestowitz | he later got involved in mageia | Jul 06 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Swede from Bristol | Jul 06 01:10 |
| schestowitz | I saw a photo of him once | Jul 06 01:10 |
| schestowitz | btw, the bot TechrightsBot-tr is tmanco's | Jul 06 01:11 |
| schestowitz | maybe we enhanced it a little after that | Jul 06 01:11 |
| schestowitz | but he's the original programmer | Jul 06 01:11 |
| AVRS | XRevan86: heh, you followed me | Jul 06 01:12 |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: I have? | Jul 06 01:12 |
| AVRS | XRevan86: https://identi.ca/aleksejrs/followers | Jul 06 01:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-aleksejrs followers - Identi.ca | Jul 06 01:12 | |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: heh | Jul 06 01:12 |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: That id in my description is active, unlike ;) | Jul 06 01:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: | Jul 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy | Jul 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > Just thought I'd let you know, Seattle PD have advised me that page 157 | Jul 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > to 2912 is all the info taken from the National Centre for Missing and | Jul 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > Exploited Kids that pertain to the case. They asked me if I still want | Jul 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > it. I've advised yes. | Jul 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > They'll do monthly installments, so next one should be in a couple of | Jul 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | > weeks. I'll keep you posted. | Jul 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Thank you. | Jul 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | There's now a bunch of us studying the documents carefully and checking the facts in the open (IRC logs posted daily). | Jul 06 01:14 |
| schestowitz | There are more stories to come based on installment 1. | Jul 06 01:14 |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: Ho, mi vidas ke vi povis paroli | Jul 06 01:15 |
| AVRS | XRevan86: nu jes | Jul 06 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: Ĉu vi konas Klymedy? | Jul 06 01:18 |
| AVRS | XRevan86: la vorto ŝajnas vidita, sed mi ne memoras, kiu ĝi estas | Jul 06 01:19 |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: Eble LOR | Jul 06 01:19 |
| AVRS | Ha, jes | Jul 06 01:20 |
| AVRS | https://www.linux.org.ru/people/Klymedy/profile | Jul 06 01:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.org.ru | Информация о пользователе Klymedy | Jul 06 01:20 | |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: Yes, li | Jul 06 01:20 |
| XRevan86 | * Jes :) | Jul 06 01:20 |
| AVRS | Is there a way to have proper audio in KDE without PulseAudio? | Jul 06 01:21 |
| *XRevan86 volas trovi mencion de fediverso antaŭ ol 2013 | Jul 06 01:21 | |
| XRevan86 | Hm, eble se mi trovos "fediverso" (kun -o)… | Jul 06 01:22 |
| XRevan86 | Though nah, the wave of Spaniards was a more recent development | Jul 06 01:25 |
| schestowitz | AVRS: that's like asking about use of latest plasma5 without systemd | Jul 06 01:26 |
| AVRS | Another concern of mine with KDE was (at least with defaults) the lack of Xfce-like disk space or access indicator. | Jul 06 01:27 |
| schestowitz | red hat no longer supports kde | Jul 06 01:27 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: I found, recently, so TOOOOOO LATE, that Firefox can be made play sound through ALSA using apulse | Jul 06 01:27 |
| schestowitz | it dropped the news to be buried under the big ibm announcement | Jul 06 01:27 |
| schestowitz | but kde continues to support red hat | Jul 06 01:27 |
| AVRS | But KDE is harder | Jul 06 01:27 |
| AVRS | The disk space or access indicator (maybe space, so since I use Conky now, it's less of a problem, because KDE's one on desktop has crappy configuration) | Jul 06 01:29 |
| AVRS | Like, the places are shown in the order you add them. | Jul 06 01:29 |
| AVRS | But then, Conky requires something like a transparent background, which I am not sure how to get at all. | Jul 06 01:30 |
| AVRS | Also, I am afraid of what would happen if I use contexts or whatever it's called -- like another level or workspaces | Jul 06 01:31 |
| AVRS | *of workspaces | Jul 06 01:31 |
| AVRS | That is, if I close one workspace forgetting it, will Firefox or Anki lose its data? Does it even make sense when I use a terminal, Anki, Firefox, Zim and don't need any more hierarchy there | Jul 06 01:32 |
| AVRS | Maybe I am just not used to it. The only time when I tried KDE significantly, I tried it in German, making it hard to understand -- and automatic positioning of windows is never good anywhere. | Jul 06 01:33 |
| AVRS | Also, I used Firefox with hundreds of tabs. | Jul 06 01:34 |
| schestowitz | why? | Jul 06 01:36 |
| schestowitz | can you use that many productively in conjunction? | Jul 06 01:36 |
| schestowitz | might as well reopen some from history | Jul 06 01:36 |
| AVRS | I clear history. | Jul 06 01:36 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't scale well and moz killed all the useful ff extension | Jul 06 01:36 |
| schestowitz | like tab managers | Jul 06 01:36 |
| AVRS | Now I installed Tab Stash and just convert them into bookmark folders. | Jul 06 01:37 |
| schestowitz | clear history except at isp level? | Jul 06 01:37 |
| AVRS | history and cookies | Jul 06 01:37 |
| AVRS | everything but prefs | Jul 06 01:37 |
| AVRS | dunno, just used to it | Jul 06 01:38 |
| AVRS | Though sites can probably simply read your form history because of how Firefox works. | Jul 06 01:38 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review: Linux Mint 20 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139542 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a4f9bd01-500c-42f1-99b5-2853d93ea26c] | Jul 06 01:38 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: MX Linux Now Has a KDE Plasma Edition, First Beta Is Available for Testing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139538#comment-25688 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b175be42-3b5a-4c02-86fe-f46c391b24ab] | Jul 06 01:38 | |
| AVRS | At least at the same domain, it completes (not just passwords, but) whatever was entered into a field with the same name. | Jul 06 01:39 |
| XRevan86 | The first !fediverse group was created at 2013-07-22, and it was newer than a !fedgroups group. | Jul 06 01:40 |
| schestowitz | does identi.ca still expose apis? | Jul 06 01:41 |
| schestowitz | I used to post from choqok to it | Jul 06 01:42 |
| schestowitz | I think to twitter and identica and parallel | Jul 06 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Definitely not compatible with Choqok. | Jul 06 01:42 |
| schestowitz | prior to that ping.fm | Jul 06 01:42 |
| schestowitz | and some other software whose name I can no longer recall | Jul 06 01:42 |
| schestowitz | I hate how sites these days expect you to use a web interface for almost everything | Jul 06 01:42 |
| schestowitz | or "app" | Jul 06 01:42 |
| schestowitz | meaning "phone" | Jul 06 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | I think that !identiverse and !friendicaverse were prior to the coinage of the Fediverse | Jul 06 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | and that the latter is an extension of that idea, possibly due to the effort to decouple the federation from identi.ca | Jul 06 01:43 |
| *schestowitz uses https://brutaldon.online/ to post to pleroma/fediverse | Jul 06 01:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-302 redirect with weird Location: about | Jul 06 01:43 | |
| schestowitz | I wish I found command line tools for posting | Jul 06 01:44 |
| schestowitz | the ones that exist are laughable | Jul 06 01:44 |
| AVRS | Dianara, Pumpa? | Jul 06 01:44 |
| AVRS | I mean there were such programs, not CLI | Jul 06 01:44 |
| schestowitz | you can get close to it | Jul 06 01:44 |
| schestowitz | by having a text editor | Jul 06 01:45 |
| schestowitz | then using x programs to convert that to web ui stuff | Jul 06 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | https://pumpio.readthedocs.io/en/latest/clients.html | Jul 06 01:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pumpio.readthedocs.io | Clients and Services — Pump.io Documentation | Jul 06 01:45 | |
| AVRS | hm pypump-shell | Jul 06 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | hm, mentions Choqok. I guess it did implement pump.io's client API | Jul 06 01:45 |
| *schestowitz sorts of posts 'from' kate | Jul 06 01:46 | |
| schestowitz | *Sort | Jul 06 01:46 |
| XRevan86 | > The name comes from an ancient Persian word, means Sparrow! | Jul 06 01:46 |
| XRevan86 | At least not from "cho kak" :) | Jul 06 01:46 |
| schestowitz | the program is still around | Jul 06 01:47 |
| schestowitz | let me check compatibility | Jul 06 01:47 |
| schestowitz | they had a release like a year back | Jul 06 01:47 |
| AVRS | چقوک https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%DA%AF%D9%86%D8%AC%D8%B4%DA%A9#Persian | Jul 06 01:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | گنجشک - Wiktionary | Jul 06 01:48 | |
| XRevan86 | Has support for Mastodon API | Jul 06 01:48 |
| schestowitz | https://choqok.kde.org/ | Jul 06 01:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-choqok.kde.org | Choqok | Jul 06 01:48 | |
| kingoffrance | yeah, "app" == phone is a giant step backwards, personal computer -> thin client of the web/cloud mainframe | Jul 06 01:48 |
| kingoffrance | backwards in terms of user control, anyhow | Jul 06 01:48 |
| schestowitz | pump.io also | Jul 06 01:48 |
| schestowitz | but no diapsora | Jul 06 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | https://invent.kde.org/network/choqok/-/tree/master/microblogs can be seen here | Jul 06 01:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invent.kde.org | microblogs · master · Network / Choqok · GitLab | Jul 06 01:49 | |
| schestowitz | kingoffrance: so you might like techrights.org/2020/07/05/dumber-is-better/ | Jul 06 01:49 |
| schestowitz | I wrote it hours ago | Jul 06 01:49 |
| kingoffrance | :) | Jul 06 01:50 |
| AVRS | "Question Copyright congratulates Creative Commons on the release of the new Creative Commons Attribution No-Value 1.0 International license, which allows covered works to be distributed freely with proper attribution, as long as no recipient derives any value whatsoever from them, including but not limited to personal pleasure, commercial gain, or artistic benefit." | Jul 06 01:50 |
| kingoffrance | i get there is a need for internet and many peopel have high-speed 24/7 connected links | Jul 06 01:50 |
| kingoffrance | on the other hand, drives are larger than ever, cpus are faster | Jul 06 01:50 |
| schestowitz | no minds, no diaspora supportr | Jul 06 01:50 |
| kingoffrance | i think there is a silly notion that every app has to be internet-connected | Jul 06 01:51 |
| schestowitz | I already cover twitter through diaspora, it exports to twitter | Jul 06 01:51 |
| kingoffrance | that every app must need 24/7 new data | Jul 06 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | Friendica, Twitter-compatible API (Twitter, GNU social), Mastodon, pump.io and… Old Church Slavonic^W^W^W Open Collaboration Service? | Jul 06 01:51 |
| kingoffrance | the local "thin clients" have more cpu/ram/disk space than ever | Jul 06 01:51 |
| schestowitz | kingoffrance: that's for addiction and data collection | Jul 06 01:51 |
| schestowitz | "you're always behind" | Jul 06 01:51 |
| kingoffrance | ^^^ | Jul 06 01:51 |
| schestowitz | fomo they call it | Jul 06 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | http://open-collaboration-services.org/ I had no idea this existed | Jul 06 01:52 |
| kingoffrance | there was an old knuth quote | Jul 06 01:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-open-collaboration-services.org | Social Desktop | Jul 06 01:52 | |
| kingoffrance | about how he doesnt check his email much | Jul 06 01:52 |
| kingoffrance | "my job is to get to the bottom of things, not stay on top of them" :) | Jul 06 01:52 |
| schestowitz | I check mail once a day | Jul 06 01:52 |
| MinceR | 06 025111 < XRevan86> Friendica, Twitter-compatible API (Twitter, GNU social), Mastodon, pump.io and… Old Church Slavonic^W^W^W Open Collaboration Service? | Jul 06 01:52 |
| MinceR | Officer Candidate School | Jul 06 01:52 |
| schestowitz | it started by mistake, thunderbird took ages to load | Jul 06 01:52 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 01:52 |
| schestowitz | and then I realised it's OK if I check mail once a day at most | Jul 06 01:52 |
| schestowitz | and I kept it like that, regretted I hadn't done this decades ago | Jul 06 01:53 |
| schestowitz | notifications are bigger problem than mail | Jul 06 01:53 |
| schestowitz | or a phone, even landline | Jul 06 01:53 |
| schestowitz | you don't need to pick up the phone if you can phone back when you're next idle | Jul 06 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | Wayback Machine tried to fetch /tag/fediverse at 2013-07-01, unsuccessfully. But that hints at that the term is older than the group. | Jul 06 01:54 |
| schestowitz | I post to all sites via kate anyway | Jul 06 01:55 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: before Firefox started taking ages to load because of all the tabs (and a change in how it saves memory), Thunderbird started — and still does — freezing to compact folders. | Jul 06 01:55 |
| schestowitz | I have a 3-windows kate session spread across multiple desktops with multiple tabs in each, also on several machines | Jul 06 01:55 |
| schestowitz | *30window | Jul 06 01:55 |
| schestowitz | *->\3-window | Jul 06 01:55 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I remember seeing it in identica first | Jul 06 01:56 |
| schestowitz | identiverse | Jul 06 01:56 |
| kingoffrance | call me old-fashioned, but sysadmin wise, "app" that can work locally, perhaps in "degraded" without "current data", is a plus -- more flexible, more powerful. if you cant use something because your internet link is down, that is a single point of failure IMO | Jul 06 01:56 |
| schestowitz | as in, "good morning, !identiverse " | Jul 06 01:57 |
| kingoffrance | i guess, you can do both IMO | Jul 06 01:57 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: "identiverse" is definitely older. | Jul 06 01:57 |
| schestowitz | the web is shit | Jul 06 01:57 |
| schestowitz | apps are shit | Jul 06 01:57 |
| kingoffrance | that is more to synchronize etc. but "everything in browser" i think is less flexible for the user | Jul 06 01:57 |
| schestowitz | hardware is shit also, it has defects and back doors | Jul 06 01:57 |
| schestowitz | (even arm now) | Jul 06 01:57 |
| schestowitz | (softbank) | Jul 06 01:57 |
| schestowitz | kingoffrance: you can interface them | Jul 06 01:58 |
| schestowitz | I link kate to the browser | Jul 06 01:58 |
| kingoffrance | i see the everything in browser as more as "they gave up writing portable software" than a "success story" :) | Jul 06 01:58 |
| schestowitz | e.g. | Jul 06 01:58 |
| schestowitz | xdotool mousemove 700 1000 | Jul 06 01:58 |
| schestowitz | xdotool click 1 | Jul 06 01:58 |
| schestowitz | xdotool search "Join" windowactivate --sync key | Jul 06 01:58 |
| schestowitz | xdotool search "Pleroma" windowactivate --sync key | Jul 06 01:58 |
| schestowitz | xdotool search --onlyvisible "no-fold: nnn" windowactivate --sync key | Jul 06 01:58 |
| schestowitz | xdotool mousemove 200 1370 | Jul 06 01:58 |
| schestowitz | xdotool key --delay 3 type " " | Jul 06 01:58 |
| schestowitz | you can customise this, add conditions and delays to suit the interface as it changes | Jul 06 01:59 |
| schestowitz | and then work from kate like a big boy (or girl) | Jul 06 01:59 |
| AVRS | XRevan86: have you seen any change in the OS clinics use in the recent years? | Jul 06 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: I'm not a regular | Jul 06 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | I remember seeing blue TUI in fullscreen about a decade ago :) | Jul 06 02:01 |
| AVRS | There were GNOME 2, GNOME 3 and Windows, but I there was some teaching of the doctors about computers last year | Jul 06 02:01 |
| AVRS | (at least in one clinic once) | Jul 06 02:01 |
| AVRS | GNOME was used with Web UI in Firefox | Jul 06 02:02 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.8-rc4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139543 [https://pleroma.site/objects/be61a960-772a-4eeb-879e-1999ed8b332d] | Jul 06 02:05 | |
| XRevan86 | https://indy.im/notice/16064602 the first notice indy.im recorded mentioning #fediverse | Jul 06 02:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marjoleink (marjoleink@identi.ca)'s status on Saturday, 23-Mar-2013 20:41:51 UTC - indy.im | Jul 06 02:05 | |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: I think I only saw Windows in recent years. | Jul 06 02:05 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: how do you post to the social control media things? | Jul 06 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | And it's marjoleink, the same person who created the !fediverse group. | Jul 06 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: web or AndStatus. | Jul 06 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | I only have one account. | Jul 06 02:06 |
| AVRS | XRevan86: about 5 or 6 years ago, one doctor had two computers: one with GNOME 2(?) and another with Windows. Later there were some with GNOME 2 and some with GNOME 3 | Jul 06 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | It sure looks like she is the one who came up with "the Fediverse" first :) | Jul 06 02:07 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: if people tun their own site | Jul 06 02:08 |
| AVRS | XRevan86: Not sure why there were two computers, but when she left, there was only the Windows computer left | Jul 06 02:08 |
| schestowitz | than they don't need to worry about it all being scattered | Jul 06 02:08 |
| schestowitz | the "social media buttons" thing | Jul 06 02:09 |
| schestowitz | unless we start dealing with gopher and stuff | Jul 06 02:09 |
| AVRS | Is there any use of federation of GNU.FM? | Jul 06 02:09 |
| AVRS | Just wondering. | Jul 06 02:10 |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: Dunno, never interacted with that. | Jul 06 02:10 |
| schestowitz | What's a "Windows computer"? | Jul 06 02:10 |
| AVRS | XRevan86: libre.fm | Jul 06 02:10 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: WC | Jul 06 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Like Apple "Mac" but Microsoft logo on it? | Jul 06 02:10 |
| schestowitz | water closets | Jul 06 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | AVRS: I know, still haven't. | Jul 06 02:11 |
| schestowitz | Diadora man | Jul 06 02:11 |
| schestowitz | Zara woman | Jul 06 02:11 |
| schestowitz | man with a Diadora shirt on | Jul 06 02:11 |
| schestowitz | women with a Zara blouse | Jul 06 02:11 |
| MinceR | maybe it has one of those "windows-only" SoC-s from intel on it :> | Jul 06 02:12 |
| schestowitz | Intel is tattooing the clothes to your skin | Jul 06 02:12 |
| schestowitz | once upon a time a cpu just did processing of low-level commands | Jul 06 02:13 |
| schestowitz | braid in, braid out | Jul 06 02:13 |
| AVRS | https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.en.html#PC | Jul 06 02:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | Words to Avoid (or Use with Care) Because They Are Loaded or Confusing - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation | Jul 06 02:13 | |
| schestowitz | and some api/documentation | Jul 06 02:13 |
| schestowitz | AVRS: stop assaulting me with that link | Jul 06 02:14 |
| schestowitz | it's bad for the development ecosystem's intellectual property | Jul 06 02:14 |
| *insmodppa (~insmod@unaffiliated/insmodppa) has joined #techrights | Jul 06 02:15 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 06 02:15 |
| schestowitz | capitalist propaganda ok in code | Jul 06 02:15 |
| schestowitz | but not words like "grandfathering" | Jul 06 02:16 |
| schestowitz | which tells you who sets the priorities | Jul 06 02:16 |
| *AVRS tries thinking about whether that can be applied to positive economics vs normative economics | Jul 06 02:16 | |
| AVRS | Considering that I read about those in a capitalist textbook, AND the example is pro-positive economics, it's very confusing | Jul 06 02:17 |
| schestowitz | "dear linus torvalds, I am poor and my feelings are hurt by the following words in the linux kernel: ......." | Jul 06 02:18 |
| AVRS | "positive: 8 letters; normative: longer, better word" | Jul 06 02:18 |
| schestowitz | "in the name of (economic) inclusion I hereby suggest removing the following words" | Jul 06 02:18 |
| schestowitz | "it'll help tackle poverty if we only removed these words... and finally I'll be able to provide food to my spouse" | Jul 06 02:18 |
| AVRS | and that book says copyright is against stealing | Jul 06 02:19 |
| schestowitz | against copying | Jul 06 02:19 |
| XRevan86 | grandparented | Jul 06 02:19 |
| schestowitz | uncer some circumstances | Jul 06 02:19 |
| schestowitz | it limits copying | Jul 06 02:19 |
| schestowitz | restricted based on "right owner" | Jul 06 02:19 |
| schestowitz | similar to "slave owner" | Jul 06 02:19 |
| schestowitz | copy masters | Jul 06 02:19 |
| XRevan86 | an anti-patriarchy version %) | Jul 06 02:19 |
| schestowitz | master copy | Jul 06 02:19 |
| schestowitz | but we can't say that in the mainstream | Jul 06 02:19 |
| schestowitz | maybe the activists should tackle copyright law | Jul 06 02:20 |
| MinceR | they won't get paid by their sponsors for that | Jul 06 02:20 |
| schestowitz | it's all about creating inequality and hierarchy | Jul 06 02:20 |
| schestowitz | with "masters" and "licensees" ("slaves") | Jul 06 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | not "masters" but "proprietors" | Jul 06 02:21 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/01/03/linux-kernel-code-of-conduct-committee/ | Jul 06 02:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation’s Linux Kernel Code of Conduct (CoC) Committee is Now Officially Corporate | Techrights | Jul 06 02:21 | |
| schestowitz | Intel plays a big role in this... in Linux kernel | Jul 06 02:21 |
| schestowitz | lots of intel everywhere you look | Jul 06 02:21 |
| schestowitz | ibm is more passive | Jul 06 02:21 |
| schestowitz | google is in the shadows | Jul 06 02:21 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/07/05/give-finger-they-want-the-hand/ | Jul 06 02:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Systems Can Crash and People Can Die by Changing Language (Even in Parameter and Function Space) to Appease Activists | Techrights | Jul 06 02:21 | |
| schestowitz | but it always comes back to intel employees | Jul 06 02:21 |
| schestowitz | no other hardware company | Jul 06 02:22 |
| schestowitz | you might want to look into possible explanation. intel has no moral authority really | Jul 06 02:22 |
| schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=2020-July-Server-Move | Jul 06 02:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Phoronix.com Transition To New Server Complete - Phoronix | Jul 06 02:24 | |
| schestowitz | phoronix has just moved to AMD | Jul 06 02:24 |
| kingoffrance | cant we just write letters about how the acronym coc is offensive | Jul 06 02:26 |
| kingoffrance | its kind of hilarious | Jul 06 02:26 |
| kingoffrance | that seemed to slip by | Jul 06 02:26 |
| MinceR | you should | Jul 06 02:26 |
| kingoffrance | you cant make this up | Jul 06 02:26 |
| MinceR | it's entrenched enough now for it to have an impact :> | Jul 06 02:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The requested operation could not be completed | Jul 06 02:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cannot Initiate the konq Protocol | Jul 06 02:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Technical Reason: Unable to Create io-slave | Jul 06 02:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looks like they got to KDE too. | Jul 06 02:27 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Tastes like chicken | Jul 06 02:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :P | Jul 06 02:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: real or hypothetical? | Jul 06 02:29 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure bugs will resolve themselves if we just changed parameter names :-) | Jul 06 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Intel: https://itsfoss.com/swear-words-linux-kernel/ | Jul 06 02:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-itsfoss.com | F-Words in Linux Kernel Code Replaced with "Hug"? | Jul 06 02:30 | |
| schestowitz | "The new code of conduct caused a huge controversy as many Linux users and developers saw it as a conspiracy by Social Justice Warriors (SJW) to infiltrate Linux. The rumors were especially boosted by the controversial past of the Contributor Covenant creator Coraline Ada Ehmke. The Linux code of conduct is based on the same Contributor Covenant." | Jul 06 02:30 |
| schestowitz | They frame it like this | Jul 06 02:30 |
| schestowitz | as if using a curse word is anything to do with that | Jul 06 02:31 |
| schestowitz | "Jarkko Sakkinen from Intel pushed these patches that replace the F-words 33 times in the 3.3 million lines of code comments." | Jul 06 02:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 06 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Interestingly, the patch email is titled “Zero ****s, hugload of hugs <3“: | Jul 06 02:32 |
| MinceR | got to churn those stats | Jul 06 02:32 |
| schestowitz | In order to comply with the CoC, replace **** with a hug. | Jul 06 02:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 06 02:32 |
| schestowitz | And now all the bugs are resolved | Jul 06 02:32 |
| MinceR | make them look better in PR releases | Jul 06 02:32 |
| schestowitz | the kernel is perfect now... purrfect | Jul 06 02:32 |
| schestowitz | never mind if the words go away when you compile it | Jul 06 02:32 |
| schestowitz | and run it on some defective intel chip | Jul 06 02:32 |
| MinceR | "intel contributed X lines" | Jul 06 02:32 |
| kingoffrance | yeah that seemed to be what somethingawful or someone would do as a joke, now has become reality | Jul 06 02:33 |
| kingoffrance | replace all offensive things with kittens | Jul 06 02:33 |
| MinceR | replace Linux with OpenBSD or NetBSD | Jul 06 02:33 |
| kingoffrance | they were strangely prescient | Jul 06 02:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Initiate the Konq Protocol! | Jul 06 02:34 |
| schestowitz | https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/7/3/954 | Jul 06 02:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.org | LKML: Jarkko Sakkinen: Re: [PATCH v33 11/21] x86/sgx: Linux Enclave Driver | Jul 06 02:34 | |
| schestowitz | checking what this person pushes into linux | Jul 06 02:34 |
| schestowitz | (maybe drm) | Jul 06 02:34 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: You're moving to KDE? | Jul 06 02:34 |
| schestowitz | https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/7/3/933 | Jul 06 02:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.org | LKML: Jarkko Sakkinen: Re: [PATCH v33 11/21] x86/sgx: Linux Enclave Driver | Jul 06 02:35 | |
| schestowitz | sometimes these 'PRs' (Microsoft/GH term) are used to distract from some guilt | Jul 06 02:35 |
| *XRevan86 always calls those MRs regardless of platform. | Jul 06 02:36 | |
| kingoffrance | for my hobby stuff (no public code yet) i decided gnome/earth: input undine/water: output djinn/air: routing/permissions salamander/fire/dragon/daemon: transformations so if they get rid of daemons, that throws all my code alchemy off | Jul 06 02:36 |
| MinceR | weird idea to decide to move to KDE after KDE has already capitulated :> | Jul 06 02:37 |
| schestowitz | tpm https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg2220950.html | Jul 06 02:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mail-archive.com | Re: [PATCH v2] tpm_tis: Remove the HID IFX0102 | Jul 06 02:37 | |
| schestowitz | before the intel email address this domain was used for mail iki.fi | Jul 06 02:37 |
| kingoffrance | dragon/fire/daemons is like the most important part! | Jul 06 02:38 |
| kingoffrance | thats where all the action happens | Jul 06 02:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What is wrong with people who have kids? | Jul 06 02:38 |
| kingoffrance | thats the pipeline magic | Jul 06 02:38 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: They protect their kids | Jul 06 02:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Here you go, just run around a motel that's overflowing with rotting garbage. Be sure to scream really loud to draw the attention of the heroin addicts and sex offenders, and touch everything so you can bring COVID-19 back in with you!" | Jul 06 02:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not these people. | Jul 06 02:39 |
| schestowitz | https://fi.linkedin.com/in/jarkkosakkinen | Jul 06 02:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 999 @ https://fi.linkedin.com/in/jarkkosakkinen ) | Jul 06 02:39 | |
| schestowitz | 'I'm a computer programmer, an open source professional, a kernel hacker and an electronic musician." | Jul 06 02:39 |
| schestowitz | he's hosting on Microsoft (GH) https://surge-synthesizer.github.io/about/\\ | Jul 06 02:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://surge-synthesizer.github.io/about/\\ ) | Jul 06 02:41 | |
| kingoffrance | theres no code alchemy possible unelss you have some fire-breathing dragon, or some fiery spirit daemon | Jul 06 02:41 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.namei.org/2017/10/20/security-session-at-the-2017-kernel-summit/ | Jul 06 02:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.namei.org | Security Session at the 2017 Kernel Summit | James Morris | Jul 06 02:42 | |
| schestowitz | "Currently, the agenda includes an update from Kees Cook on the Kernel Self Protection Project, and an update from Jarkko Sakkinen on TPM support. I’ll provide a summary of the recent Linux Security Summit, depending on available time, perhaps focusing on security namespacing issues." | Jul 06 02:42 |
| schestowitz | https://pirl.nvsl.io/portfolio/dan-williams-intel/ | Jul 06 02:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pirl.nvsl.io | Dan Williams (Intel Corporation) - PIRL 2019 | Jul 06 02:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://pirl.nvsl.io/portfolio/dan-williams-intel/ | Jul 06 02:45 |
| schestowitz | he pushes to remove "blacklist" from Linux too | Jul 06 02:45 |
| schestowitz | "Dan is a Principal Engineer on the team responsible for Intel’s persistent memory (PMEM) enabling in the Linux kernel. Specifically, he established and maintains the “libnvdimm” sub-system tasked with managing platform PMEM resources. Current work involves completing the integration of DAX semantics into Linux filesystems and ongoing development of hardware platform features that intersect with PMEM. His 18-year career spans | Jul 06 02:45 |
| schestowitz | many facets of storage system-software across Intel and Facebook." | Jul 06 02:45 |
| schestowitz | FB | Jul 06 02:45 |
| schestowitz | but not DRM | Jul 06 02:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to do a double take at these Coronavirus numbers at the beginning of the week. | Jul 06 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I thought for sure Florida's were a typo. | Jul 06 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just raging out of control down there. | Jul 06 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy wants to go to the aquarium in Chicago. I told him no. | Jul 06 02:46 |
| schestowitz | https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-williams-6392446 | Jul 06 02:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 999 @ https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-williams-6392446 ) | Jul 06 02:46 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | He just doesn't believe me about how nasty this virus is. | Jul 06 02:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: 50k almost... in the weekend | Jul 06 02:47 |
| schestowitz | so expect 60k+ in weekdays this coming week | Jul 06 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's been what? 12 days now of really bad numbers. | Jul 06 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Horrible numbers. | Jul 06 02:47 |
| schestowitz | "| Biography. Dan Williams joined Intel Corporation, Hillsboro, OR, USA, in 2002" | Jul 06 02:47 |
| schestowitz | https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/author/37086131280 | Jul 06 02:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ieeexplore.ieee.org | | Jul 06 02:48 | |
| kingoffrance | " was using the term daemon in an alchemy sense you insensitive clods!" | Jul 06 02:48 |
| kingoffrance | a/"/"I/ | Jul 06 02:48 |
| schestowitz | Dan Williams's Email. Found 3 emails: @gmail.com; @intel.com; @mbhb.com. | Jul 06 02:48 |
| schestowitz | oh, he's on the technical board with Microsoft and Greg https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/technical-advisory-board/ | Jul 06 02:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxfoundation.org | Technical Advisory Board - The Linux Foundation | Jul 06 02:49 | |
| schestowitz | Cook also | Jul 06 02:49 |
| schestowitz | so it's an LF-led move, in part... | Jul 06 02:49 |
| kingoffrance | ill shut up, but i should point out | Jul 06 02:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "U2. Most notable for climbing in Google searches for 'How do I delete the free U2 album from my iPhone?'". | Jul 06 02:50 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: time to do another shutdown | Jul 06 02:51 |
| schestowitz | more quarantine in at least a dozen states | Jul 06 02:51 |
| schestowitz | in time for summer | Jul 06 02:51 |
| kingoffrance | "blacklist/whitelist is offensive because it means evil/good" to any so-called "occultist" ever, this is probably the most idiotic, shallow, unthinking statement ever | Jul 06 02:51 |
| kingoffrance | there is image versus substance, or you can "manipulate" anything any which way | Jul 06 02:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: There won't be a shutdown. They'll just let it rage on and kill people. | Jul 06 02:51 |
| kingoffrance | judging something based on its name/image/label is basically 100% shallow/idiotic | Jul 06 02:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Lt. Governor of Texas said death is better than billionaires losing money. | Jul 06 02:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Your life is a throwaway, worth nothing to the "pro life" party. | Jul 06 02:53 |
| schestowitz | exec summary :-) .... : not much of interest found in these Intel employees who look to remove words from Linux | Jul 06 02:53 |
| kingoffrance | basically, if you are deceived by labels/names of things, any "magician" ever is going to say you have been blinded by appearances | Jul 06 02:54 |
| schestowitz | (no 'smoking guns' anyway) | Jul 06 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was never a shutdown in Texas and there never will be. People get the government they deserve. Through voting or not bothering to, or wasting a vote on Jill Stein (RMS). | Jul 06 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We got Trump because of all three. | Jul 06 02:54 |
| kingoffrance | and renaming things != changing the underlying "substance" whatever | Jul 06 02:54 |
| kingoffrance | quite the opposite | Jul 06 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some Nazi assholes voted for Trump. People like RMS said "Meh, what's the difference?". | Jul 06 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom was angry that I said a bunch of Nazis were the ones who gave us Trump. | Jul 06 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She said "I am not a Nazi! You take that back.". | Jul 06 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "I'm sorry you're NotSeeing it.". | Jul 06 02:56 |
| schestowitz | she voted for him? | Jul 06 02:56 |
| schestowitz | serves her well if she gets the orange virus | Jul 06 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and will again. | Jul 06 02:56 |
| schestowitz | Carl also? | Jul 06 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Good thing they're both in Indiana. | Jul 06 02:56 |
| schestowitz | for now | Jul 06 02:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It won't be close so their vote won't do more damage. | Jul 06 02:57 |
| schestowitz | I can imagine what they think of "kung flu" mandy | Jul 06 02:57 |
| schestowitz | and of gay marriage | Jul 06 02:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She said, "Well, that's what the law is.". | Jul 06 02:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, not happy about it, but that's what happened. | Jul 06 02:58 |
| schestowitz | the "law and order' candidate | Jul 06 02:58 |
| schestowitz | who defrauded so many | Jul 06 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's good to accept that you were defeated. | Jul 06 02:58 |
| schestowitz | and sexually assaulted so many | Jul 06 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if you don't, really. ;) | Jul 06 02:58 |
| schestowitz | but... "that's what the law is" | Jul 06 02:58 |
| schestowitz | "when I want to put those 'dark people' behind bars" | Jul 06 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much. | Jul 06 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh no, all of her friends on Facebook are jerking off at the thought of getting to shoot people. | Jul 06 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For trying to rob their trailer I guess. | Jul 06 02:59 |
| schestowitz | Trump egging them on | Jul 06 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Might make off with the VCR from Goodwill. | Jul 06 02:59 |
| schestowitz | (to shoot) | Jul 06 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Tsk tsk. | Jul 06 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah | Jul 06 03:00 |
| schestowitz | rogue state | Jul 06 03:00 |
| schestowitz | (as in country) | Jul 06 03:00 |
| schestowitz | which has "states" | Jul 06 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fucking idiots deserve everything that happens to them and more than this virus. | Jul 06 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's still smarting from the fact that her church people snubbed her and then they all got sick. | Jul 06 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She had to admit that I was right. I'm sure that pissed her off. | Jul 06 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She said at least 8 of them have tested positive and that everyone who has been there has symptoms. | Jul 06 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Yeah. Funny how that works isn't it?". | Jul 06 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, they're so arrogant that they think this is God's way of killing "sinners". | Jul 06 03:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "He'll protect us!" until he doesn't. | Jul 06 03:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Whoops. | Jul 06 03:02 |
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| schestowitz | than they blame other things and deflect | Jul 06 03:04 |
| schestowitz | "maybe I was a sinner" | Jul 06 03:04 |
| schestowitz | "it's God's way" | Jul 06 03:04 |
| kingoffrance | i guess code orgasm is when the names of things match what they point to. any other scheme IMO is fake code; either the names match what they are, or they dont. | Jul 06 03:04 |
| schestowitz | "maybe for the better" | Jul 06 03:04 |
| schestowitz | "I will soon join my spouse in heaven" | Jul 06 03:04 |
| schestowitz | "mysterious ways" | Jul 06 03:04 |
| schestowitz | "i didn't pray enough" | Jul 06 03:04 |
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| schestowitz | rms once wrote that when a church collapses on churchgoers some started to doubt their religion | Jul 06 03:05 |
| schestowitz | *had collapsed | Jul 06 03:05 |
| schestowitz | I think it was said in reference to some news from south america | Jul 06 03:06 |
| MinceR | "your god is dead and no one cares, if there is a hell, i'll see you there" | Jul 06 03:06 |
| kingoffrance | its all just alchemy to me :) | Jul 06 03:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz ""it's God's way""> We call that the fastest gun in the west routine. | Jul 06 03:21 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 03:22 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: why did you even cite https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=2020-July-Server-Move for Intel's moral authority? | Jul 06 03:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Phoronix.com Transition To New Server Complete - Phoronix | Jul 06 03:35 | |
| AVRS | schestowitz: Isn't the article purely technical? | Jul 06 03:35 |
| schestowitz | I mentioned it for the fact he moved to amd | Jul 06 03:36 |
| AVRS | *shrug* | Jul 06 03:36 |
| kingoffrance | years back i probably sent a resume to intel hillsboro for some dev position or other, something like UEFI coder IIRC | Jul 06 03:43 |
| kingoffrance | i didnt get an interview or anything, i really dont have any job experience with that sort of thing | Jul 06 03:43 |
| kingoffrance | nevertheless | Jul 06 03:43 |
| kingoffrance | they did ask me "whats the largest program youve written?" | Jul 06 03:43 |
| kingoffrance | i dunno if they thought i was a total noob | Jul 06 03:43 |
| kingoffrance | but it seemed pretty idiotic | Jul 06 03:43 |
| kingoffrance | like "whats the best refactor youve ever done? the best library youve ever made?" is much better gauge of skill IMO | Jul 06 03:44 |
| kingoffrance | "biggest program" is basically you suck as a coder IMO | Jul 06 03:44 |
| kingoffrance | generally speaking | Jul 06 03:44 |
| kingoffrance | thats something to avoid IMO | Jul 06 03:44 |
| kingoffrance | maybe he just wasnt a tech guy | Jul 06 03:44 |
| kingoffrance | kernel, embedded stuff, bios or uefi perhaps is a different beast | Jul 06 03:45 |
| kingoffrance | and perhaps is monolothic by definition to some extent | Jul 06 03:45 |
| kingoffrance | i was applying above my skills perhaps | Jul 06 03:45 |
| kingoffrance | anyhow, based on my one little interaction with hillsboro intel, that doesnt surprise me | Jul 06 03:46 |
| kingoffrance | whatever they are doing, they have some other emphasis besides code quality | Jul 06 03:46 |
| kingoffrance | im trying not to nag for sake of nagging | Jul 06 03:48 |
| kingoffrance | but it is hard for me fathom any situation that question makes sense | Jul 06 03:48 |
| kingoffrance | "most functionality you packed into tight RAM" makes sense | Jul 06 03:48 |
| kingoffrance | "biggest program youve ever written" maeks no sense to me, in any context | Jul 06 03:48 |
| kingoffrance | let alone because different ISAs it is apples and oranges as well | Jul 06 03:49 |
| kingoffrance | and if you have to care about speed, that may or may not coincide with "code size" depends on CPU and many things perhaps | Jul 06 03:49 |
| kingoffrance | bigger code == faster may or may not be true | Jul 06 03:49 |
| kingoffrance | thats also why uxp and there was an old windows thing that woudl compress programs/libraries; this could be for "obfuscation" or "save disk space" but sometimes despite the overhead of decompression of program/code at startup, and despite this might waste RAM by not letting pages share across multiple instances --- sometimes compressed binaries would load faster, because less waiting on disk/network | Jul 06 03:52 |
| kingoffrance | so again "biggest program you ever wrote" makes no sense | Jul 06 03:52 |
| kingoffrance | s/uxp/upx/ | Jul 06 03:52 |
| kingoffrance | even just "compressing code" outside of "code you write" can make things load faster some times | Jul 06 03:52 |
| kingoffrance | it might've been QA of network drivers or some such | Jul 06 03:55 |
| kingoffrance | they had some positions like that, where you would be writing scripts to exercise the firmware basically | Jul 06 03:56 |
| kingoffrance | again "biggest program you ever wrote" still doesnt make sense | Jul 06 03:56 |
| kingoffrance | esp. for scripting stuff where the emphasis is probably to use libraries and such from other people wherever possible, because you are writing little one-off things and trying to not reinvent the wheel | Jul 06 03:57 |
| kingoffrance | and of course, the old kernighan and/or ritchie (i forget who) the most productive day is when you dont write a single line of code | Jul 06 04:08 |
| kingoffrance | supposed to lead you to think/reflect/plan more than blindly churning out code i guess | Jul 06 04:08 |
| kingoffrance | maybe that was pike | Jul 06 04:08 |
| kingoffrance | one of the unix guys and/or c, had a quote like that | Jul 06 04:08 |
| kingoffrance | and/or focus on scripts/leveraging other people's code when possible | Jul 06 04:08 |
| kingoffrance | and/or refactoring not blindly piling more code upon code | Jul 06 04:09 |
| kingoffrance | that was my machivellian pre-interview question :) | Jul 06 04:10 |
| schestowitz | I am reworking my tmux stuff | Jul 06 04:12 |
| schestowitz | and shuffling stuff around | Jul 06 04:12 |
| schestowitz | didn't realise how much better I could make monitoring... | Jul 06 04:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I remember when utorrent was fairly fast and efficient, and the gimmick was it was one exe file that was 47 KB. | Jul 06 04:16 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: https://upx.github.io/ upx is still around. | Jul 06 04:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-upx.github.io | UPX: the Ultimate Packer for eXecutables - Homepage | Jul 06 04:16 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | An entire BitTorrent implementation in 47 KB. Of course, they used an EXE packer on it. | Jul 06 04:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then BitTorrent Inc. bought them and packed it with adware and spyware, and even a coin miner at one point. | Jul 06 04:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So their official BitTorrent clients are malware and trojan horses, but since the protocol is public domain, most of the open source clients have overtaken it. | Jul 06 04:18 |
| oiaohm | https://github.com/upx/upx/releases supported platforms has increased over the years. | Jul 06 04:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Releases · upx/upx · GitHub | Jul 06 04:18 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | You still see old utorrent user agents out there though, from before the "packed full of malware" thing. | Jul 06 04:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "In 2011, μTorrent bundled the Bing Toolbar." LOL | Jul 06 04:20 |
| kingoffrance | yes, upx still has playstation 1 support | Jul 06 04:22 |
| kingoffrance | last i checked | Jul 06 04:22 |
| kingoffrance | and atari IIRC | Jul 06 04:22 |
| kingoffrance | and dos | Jul 06 04:22 |
| kingoffrance | at least it can pack such binaries | Jul 06 04:24 |
| kingoffrance | you dont have to necessarily run it on the "target" platform | Jul 06 04:24 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: prebuilt binaries is Linux 8 different forms 2 of windows and 1 for dos. | Jul 06 04:25 |
| kingoffrance | i dunno if it is the best or only such thing, but havent seen anyone else make any effort at all towards such portability | Jul 06 04:25 |
| kingoffrance | so, upx i like, i see nothing else ilke it anywhere | Jul 06 04:25 |
| kingoffrance | i guess: where is the competition? i see none | Jul 06 04:26 |
| kingoffrance | they are de facto champion for now IMO | Jul 06 04:26 |
| kingoffrance | there is no de jure competition | Jul 06 04:26 |
| kingoffrance | that i see | Jul 06 04:26 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_compression Not exactly no competition. Most of the closed source competition to upx are like Themida/WinLicense as in embedded copy protection/licensing crap as well as compression. | Jul 06 04:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Executable compression - Wikipedia | Jul 06 04:30 | |
| kingoffrance | yeah, but how much of the competition runs on ps1 :) | Jul 06 04:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I decided to stay with Fedora as the underlying OS because Debian is difficult to get recent software on, makes bizarre decisions such as not shipping in a way that most computers can actually use it and making the user hunt for an unofficial ISO (meh), and the ships systemd wrong and has a file system layout that has stuff thrown every which way. | Jul 06 04:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora isn't bug free by any means, but it doesn't require me to install a Testing version that constantly rolls to get new software. | Jul 06 04:34 |
| CrystalMath | eww fedora | Jul 06 04:35 |
| CrystalMath | eww systemd | Jul 06 04:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Debian just imports most of Fedora's mistakes and adds more. | Jul 06 04:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ain't nobody got time for that. | Jul 06 04:36 |
| CrystalMath | systemd is a mistake | Jul 06 04:36 |
| CrystalMath | but, i am also leaving debian | Jul 06 04:36 |
| CrystalMath | for slackware | Jul 06 04:36 |
| oiaohm | slackware init system is not without is mistakes. | Jul 06 04:37 |
| CrystalMath | it's great | Jul 06 04:37 |
| CrystalMath | i like it the most | Jul 06 04:37 |
| oiaohm | using a service management solution that not really built for how linux uses PID has it problems. | Jul 06 04:38 |
| CrystalMath | i see no issues with slackware's init | Jul 06 04:38 |
| CrystalMath | if there's an issue i will fix it manually | Jul 06 04:39 |
| oiaohm | So how do you know that a process was started by a service under slackware. | Jul 06 04:40 |
| CrystalMath | why is that important at all? | Jul 06 04:40 |
| oiaohm | It is important with items like postgreql , apache and other complex services at times with applications they start off. When you restart those services you don't want fragments of prior instances still running or restast of service fails. | Jul 06 04:41 |
| oiaohm | heck cups | Jul 06 04:42 |
| CrystalMath | that's why i like inetd | Jul 06 04:42 |
| oiaohm | No inetd does not stop leaking. | Jul 06 04:43 |
| oiaohm | It can be a cause of it. | Jul 06 04:43 |
| CrystalMath | well either way it's good enough for me | Jul 06 04:43 |
| oiaohm | systemd version of inetd does not leak processes due to usage of cgroups. | Jul 06 04:43 |
| CrystalMath | if i find a leak i will fix it | Jul 06 04:43 |
| CrystalMath | systemd is not welcome | Jul 06 04:44 |
| oiaohm | What I was asking was so you have information where the leak comes from. | Jul 06 04:44 |
| oiaohm | Its hard to fix a leak when you are lacking the source. | Jul 06 04:44 |
| CrystalMath | if i see a pointless PID | Jul 06 04:44 |
| CrystalMath | i will kill it | Jul 06 04:44 |
| oiaohm | A fragment broken off a service will not look pointless. | Jul 06 04:45 |
| oiaohm | So that method does not exactly work. | Jul 06 04:45 |
| CrystalMath | i can stop the whole service | Jul 06 04:45 |
| oiaohm | Really?? | Jul 06 04:45 |
| oiaohm | How. | Jul 06 04:45 |
| CrystalMath | just kill all its processes | Jul 06 04:45 |
| CrystalMath | or kill every process on the whole system | Jul 06 04:45 |
| oiaohm | How do you get list of all the processes owning to a service. | Jul 06 04:45 |
| CrystalMath | i don't care, i'll fix it | Jul 06 04:45 |
| CrystalMath | i don't need a list | Jul 06 04:45 |
| CrystalMath | i will look | Jul 06 04:45 |
| oiaohm | You cannot get a list and you cannot tell 100 percent by look either. | Jul 06 04:46 |
| CrystalMath | and kill processes as i want | Jul 06 04:46 |
| CrystalMath | who cares | Jul 06 04:46 |
| CrystalMath | i'll kill a process | Jul 06 04:46 |
| CrystalMath | and if i was wrong, oh well | Jul 06 04:46 |
| oiaohm | So you end up being forced to restart system as fix. | Jul 06 04:46 |
| CrystalMath | again, who cares | Jul 06 04:46 |
| CrystalMath | it doesn't matter | Jul 06 04:46 |
| oiaohm | So you don't care if you have to treat your system like windows rebooting way more than you should have ot. | Jul 06 04:46 |
| CrystalMath | this does not happen in practice to me | Jul 06 04:47 |
| oiaohm | Fine | Jul 06 04:47 |
| CrystalMath | so it's all good | Jul 06 04:47 |
| CrystalMath | in practice, if there's an extra process, intuition worked well | Jul 06 04:47 |
| oiaohm | I want to see more options with cgroup around services and pidfd usage for kill. | Jul 06 04:47 |
| CrystalMath | so far | Jul 06 04:47 |
| oiaohm | I want the time of guess work to be over in service mangment. | Jul 06 04:48 |
| kingoffrance | i have heard when you are parallelizing stuff, too small units == too much overhead, you lose gains in communication overhead. so there is a sweet spot of sizes of data and code. but again "largest program you ever written" does not compute :) | Jul 06 04:48 |
| kingoffrance | just that, smallest possible code and data is not necessarily a win, you want to ensure work is getting done, processors /caches/etc. are being used, and not everything is wasted synchronizing across "network" of whatever kind | Jul 06 04:48 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: i'm not concerned with this issue, i have no problem with other people using a cgroup-based process monitor, including systemd | Jul 06 04:48 |
| CrystalMath | you can run whatever you want | Jul 06 04:50 |
| CrystalMath | and i will run whatever i want | Jul 06 04:50 |
| oiaohm | Its being aware that there are historic problems with your choice. | Jul 06 04:50 |
| CrystalMath | but that doesn't affect my choice | Jul 06 04:50 |
| oiaohm | Of course those problems make that choice totally not suitable for may other use cases. | Jul 06 04:50 |
| oiaohm | systemd is picked by a lot of distributions because its about the best middle pick to cover the most usage cases. | Jul 06 04:51 |
| oiaohm | Of course I would like to see something else appear that is proper competition to systemd. | Jul 06 04:52 |
| CrystalMath | i don't think things need to be complicated | Jul 06 04:52 |
| CrystalMath | maybe for servers | Jul 06 04:52 |
| oiaohm | Even desktop usages so person has a printer problem and they attempt to restart cups it has to work dependably not require skill of someone working out what process need to be killed so cups can start again. | Jul 06 04:53 |
| oiaohm | If you are needing to guess what need killling for lower skilled users it not really suitable. | Jul 06 04:54 |
| CrystalMath | i am not a lower-skilled user so i don't care | Jul 06 04:54 |
| CrystalMath | i'm fine with the existence of distros for lower-skilled users | Jul 06 04:54 |
| CrystalMath | but i won't use them | Jul 06 04:54 |
| CrystalMath | i want things to be simple | Jul 06 04:54 |
| CrystalMath | and to leave the smart work to me | Jul 06 04:54 |
| oiaohm | service side when you are doing 99.999 kind of uptime you don't want downtime because you made a mistake and killed the wrong thing either. | Jul 06 04:55 |
| CrystalMath | yes we've established that | Jul 06 04:55 |
| oiaohm | So there are basically two major groups where the old init systems really don't work. | Jul 06 04:55 |
| CrystalMath | they do work | Jul 06 04:56 |
| CrystalMath | just not that great | Jul 06 04:56 |
| oiaohm | Both of those groups using older init systems they would miss thier objectives. So for them they really don't work. | Jul 06 04:56 |
| oiaohm | Its not in the camp of just not that great. | Jul 06 04:57 |
| CrystalMath | most of the time this stuff doesn't happen | Jul 06 04:57 |
| oiaohm | cups using closed source printer driver with their stupid screw ups it happens lot that some part of it leaks blocking printing. | Jul 06 04:58 |
| CrystalMath | it generally works fine | Jul 06 04:58 |
| CrystalMath | i don't care about people running proprietary anything | Jul 06 04:58 |
| CrystalMath | that should not happen | Jul 06 04:58 |
| CrystalMath | but anyway | Jul 06 04:58 |
| CrystalMath | MY system | Jul 06 04:58 |
| CrystalMath | only works as *I* say | Jul 06 04:58 |
| oiaohm | Hp open source printer drivers have done in 3 times in 20 years. So yes open source way less likely in printer drives. | Jul 06 04:58 |
| CrystalMath | i don't care about anyone else's use case | Jul 06 04:58 |
| CrystalMath | i'm using sysvinit right now | Jul 06 04:59 |
| CrystalMath | i haven't been using systemd since i first discovered that it's bad in 2015 | Jul 06 04:59 |
| CrystalMath | (on fedora) | Jul 06 04:59 |
| CrystalMath | i switched to debian | Jul 06 04:59 |
| kingoffrance | actually i installed a hp printer driver on a knoppix recently | Jul 06 04:59 |
| kingoffrance | it has some bug where it compiles and then tries to ilnk 32 or 64 bit code against wrong library | Jul 06 04:59 |
| kingoffrance | so an easy fix if you know where to dig | Jul 06 04:59 |
| kingoffrance | and compile stuff | Jul 06 05:00 |
| kingoffrance | but joe average, it gives some meaningless error | Jul 06 05:00 |
| oiaohm | I run into process leak with postgresql recently with open source addon for map processing in postgresql. | Jul 06 05:00 |
| kingoffrance | that wont tell you anything unless you know to look in a log | Jul 06 05:00 |
| kingoffrance | and "manually compile" and "manually create a package" and then install that | Jul 06 05:00 |
| kingoffrance | so, a minor thing, maybe knoppix-specific | Jul 06 05:00 |
| kingoffrance | but somehow it builds a wrong arch library and links wrongly against it | Jul 06 05:00 |
| kingoffrance | it is juts one library, so maybe some error in a makefile or equiv. somewhere -- it uses some python stuff that launches make perhaps | Jul 06 05:01 |
| oiaohm | The fun of these odd errors causing issue. | Jul 06 05:01 |
| kingoffrance | i dunno, maybe they prefer writing python to make | Jul 06 05:03 |
| kingoffrance | but i have to wonder why their build thing is so "custom" | Jul 06 05:04 |
| kingoffrance | because i think it just launches maek anyways | Jul 06 05:04 |
| kingoffrance | in the end | Jul 06 05:04 |
| kingoffrance | maybe it is really they prefer python to writing shell | Jul 06 05:04 |
| oiaohm | Mostly because hp printer support for Unix(yes I just typed unix) is so old. | Jul 06 05:04 |
| kingoffrance | thats not old to me, thats modern | Jul 06 05:05 |
| kingoffrance | old would be make and bourne | Jul 06 05:05 |
| kingoffrance | :) | Jul 06 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Linux Hp printer driver source tree traces back into the 1970s. | Jul 06 05:05 |
| oiaohm | So decades of crud and collected oddities. | Jul 06 05:05 |
| kingoffrance | oh, some of the source is from old unix stuff and old hp printer printeres they perhaps still support (or later models based on x based on y) | Jul 06 05:06 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, that would explain why they might want to try to wrap it all in python | Jul 06 05:06 |
| kingoffrance | i dunno, its all fluff to me | Jul 06 05:07 |
| kingoffrance | for me personally | Jul 06 05:07 |
| kingoffrance | just get something that does postscript | Jul 06 05:07 |
| oiaohm | HP printer drivers for Linux/Unix basically try to support as many printers as possible they have ever made. | Jul 06 05:07 |
| kingoffrance | then i can print from win 31 - win9x - nextstep probably any unix "out of the box" more or less | Jul 06 05:07 |
| kingoffrance | what do i need some special driver for? monitor ink levels? | Jul 06 05:07 |
| kingoffrance | spam me with an ad "click here to buy ink" "thanks alexa" | Jul 06 05:07 |
| oiaohm | Printer quirk correction as well. | Jul 06 05:07 |
| kingoffrance | i guess for me i would like dumb printers | Jul 06 05:08 |
| kingoffrance | network interface is a plus, but i can run my own printer daemon/spooling system/whatever, it is all crazy to me to have these embedded web servers built in | Jul 06 05:08 |
| oiaohm | Like one of their early printers with color the cyan and the red in software was kind right but they labeld where to put the cartigres wrong on a particular model. | Jul 06 05:08 |
| oiaohm | Yes quirks. | Jul 06 05:09 |
| kingoffrance | sane i think you can set up network scanning ..... so they do all this stuff partially so you can get an app on your phone, then print or scan or whatever from your phone | Jul 06 05:14 |
| kingoffrance | but cups/lpr/sane/whatever, i guess to me, if you are giong to do all that | Jul 06 05:14 |
| kingoffrance | instead of a millino printer-specific or vendor-specific apps | Jul 06 05:14 |
| kingoffrance | just have one "app that uses cups" one "app that uses sane" whatever | Jul 06 05:15 |
| kingoffrance | i know i am a tiny little non-existent non-paying user base | Jul 06 05:15 |
| kingoffrance | it just seems so much ridiculous duplication, multiply across x printers and y vendors | Jul 06 05:15 |
| kingoffrance | for me, when i have set up such things | Jul 06 05:15 |
| kingoffrance | i have a separate computer doing that | Jul 06 05:15 |
| kingoffrance | so the built-in stuff on the printer itself is all useless | Jul 06 05:16 |
| kingoffrance | i know i am tiny user case i guess | Jul 06 05:16 |
| kingoffrance | routers are like this of course too, i guess everything has an embedded web server now | Jul 06 05:16 |
| kingoffrance | to me, all these embedded servers are "leaking services" :) | Jul 06 05:17 |
| kingoffrance | because if i have a need for such things, i have a dedicated server stuff is supposed to route through | Jul 06 05:17 |
| kingoffrance | i have my own little dns/dhcp -- why do i want my printer or router running their own? usually if i take the trouble to set up such things, i dont want the "embedded" thing | Jul 06 05:20 |
| kingoffrance | i would want it using the same one every other device uses, not running its own services | Jul 06 05:21 |
| oiaohm | why you are seeing more embedded services on printers is the thing called driverless printing. | Jul 06 05:21 |
| kingoffrance | well im just bitching | Jul 06 05:21 |
| kingoffrance | i know i am tiny little minority of people who run their own little lan server | Jul 06 05:22 |
| oiaohm | https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting Please note driverless printing over even USB has services running in the printer. | Jul 06 05:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.debian.org | CUPSDriverlessPrinting - Debian Wiki | Jul 06 05:22 | |
| kingoffrance | yeah, thats what postcript was to me :0 driver less printing - we already had that for decades :) | Jul 06 05:23 |
| kingoffrance | somewhere, when printers started doing postscript, i guess some vms or its guy had this same argument | Jul 06 05:23 |
| kingoffrance | "why do i need an embedded postscript on my printer? i already run such a daemon locally" | Jul 06 05:23 |
| kingoffrance | its not unexpected | Jul 06 05:26 |
| kingoffrance | when the old lan protocols died and everything went ip | Jul 06 05:26 |
| kingoffrance | then itnernet of things is next logical step | Jul 06 05:26 |
| kingoffrance | and all these embedded services over ip is perfectly natural progression | Jul 06 05:27 |
| kingoffrance | wifi everywhere too of course | Jul 06 05:27 |
| kingoffrance | it just looks funny if you are old like me | Jul 06 05:27 |
| kingoffrance | its blurry where lan begins and internet begins | Jul 06 05:28 |
| kingoffrance | or where they end | Jul 06 05:28 |
| kingoffrance | i.e. the reason i would have a dedicated pc/server as router is because you had to -- cable modems didnt do firewalling :) | Jul 06 05:30 |
| kingoffrance | its not like this was a technical choice on my part | Jul 06 05:30 |
| kingoffrance | it was a necessity | Jul 06 05:30 |
| kingoffrance | if you want a firewall, you better run your own | Jul 06 05:30 |
| kingoffrance | that was the only optino for home user anyway | Jul 06 05:30 |
| kingoffrance | so i cant say the prior model was technically superior or whatever | Jul 06 05:31 |
| Ariadne | the last printer i had you could literally just upload a pdf to it and it would print it | Jul 06 05:32 |
| Ariadne | no need for cups or anything | Jul 06 05:32 |
| kingoffrance | and if i wanted my scsi printer to be accessible from multiple client pcs, then i woudl run a little sane network thing | Jul 06 05:33 |
| kingoffrance | s/printer/scanner/ | Jul 06 05:33 |
| kingoffrance | i guess, we have a choice now, you can still do the "old way" | Jul 06 05:33 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: PostScript is a Turing-complete << https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostScript that is why postscript really cannot be used and driverless printing changes to something else. Yes it totally possible to write a never ending postscript file and send to a postscript printer and screw it up. | Jul 06 05:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | PostScript - Wikipedia | Jul 06 05:35 | |
| kingoffrance | :) | Jul 06 05:36 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, you probably have to pay adobe licensing too | Jul 06 05:36 |
| kingoffrance | i never played with it in detail as coding thing | Jul 06 05:38 |
| kingoffrance | so i am not defending technical merits or lack thereof | Jul 06 05:38 |
| kingoffrance | it was just lowest common denominator IMO | Jul 06 05:38 |
| kingoffrance | if your printer did that, you didnt have to worry about drivers generally | Jul 06 05:38 |
| kingoffrance | there are different levels i beileve too | Jul 06 05:38 |
| kingoffrance | old apple users probably knew these things, maybe they want to forget :) | Jul 06 05:38 |
| kingoffrance | it would be costlier to get a printer that did postscript | Jul 06 05:39 |
| kingoffrance | i dunno what situation looks like now | Jul 06 05:40 |
| kingoffrance | the processing power i guess is there :) | Jul 06 05:40 |
| kingoffrance | in some ways, fancy postscript printers were the "smart" of their day; cpu/ram/hard drive .....you just didnt have all the embedded web stuff | Jul 06 05:41 |
| kingoffrance | so, they are not really opposites | Jul 06 05:42 |
| kingoffrance | one could argue just another natural progression | Jul 06 05:42 |
| CrystalMath | yes but it's crap now | Jul 06 05:42 |
| kingoffrance | to me it wwas more like winmodem versus real modem | Jul 06 05:42 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 05:43 |
| kingoffrance | i was just concerned with basic printing, if i pay a little more for a fancy "enterprise" printer then i dont have to worry about driers | Jul 06 05:43 |
| kingoffrance | rather than get a new inkjet every year or whatever | Jul 06 05:43 |
| CrystalMath | like it's okay to have an automatic washing machine, instead of manually washing clothes | Jul 06 05:43 |
| CrystalMath | but putting digital parts inside is dumb | Jul 06 05:43 |
| kingoffrance | sometimes the cheap cheap inkjets it is cheaper to get a new printer than ink, no joke | Jul 06 05:43 |
| CrystalMath | luckily i have a 1985 washing machine | Jul 06 05:44 |
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| kingoffrance | i think that turing-complete thing though is always going to take place somewhere | Jul 06 05:47 |
| kingoffrance | i.e. just a question whether on the client machine or the printer | Jul 06 05:48 |
| kingoffrance | maybe rust/etc. might change this though | Jul 06 05:48 |
| kingoffrance | but again, i would say that is not the case yet, right now, for most | Jul 06 05:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | KTorrent isn't too bad. | Jul 06 05:49 |
| kingoffrance | i should say: client machine, or printer, or separate server that is doing printing daemon | Jul 06 05:49 |
| kingoffrance | and i dunno phones, but if "client machine" is phone, do people trust cell phone apps not to have such issues? | Jul 06 05:51 |
| CrystalMath | i believe in separate things done by separate devices | Jul 06 05:51 |
| CrystalMath | the UNIX philosophy | Jul 06 05:51 |
| CrystalMath | do one thing, do it right | Jul 06 05:51 |
| kingoffrance | i believe in alchemy --- anything shoudl be possible if i set the right settings :) | Jul 06 05:52 |
| kingoffrance | just keep it sufficiently modular | Jul 06 05:52 |
| kingoffrance | so i can arrange how i want | Jul 06 05:52 |
| CrystalMath | that's why i prefer film cameras | Jul 06 05:52 |
| CrystalMath | they do one thing, and they do it right | Jul 06 05:52 |
| kingoffrance | dumb so i can do the "advanced" things and it doesnt argue with me | Jul 06 05:52 |
| CrystalMath | when i want to listen to music on the go, i have a walkman and cassettes | Jul 06 05:53 |
| CrystalMath | and when i want to call someone, then of course, i have a phone, a nice old one with a rotary dial | Jul 06 05:53 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 05:53 |
| CrystalMath | i mean, i'm not kidding | Jul 06 05:55 |
| CrystalMath | i have all those things EXCEPT for the film camera | Jul 06 05:55 |
| CrystalMath | :P | Jul 06 05:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think we need to clean up bittorrent language too. | Jul 06 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure that some people with an interest in choking have been snubbed. | Jul 06 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seeding also implies male dominance. | Jul 06 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Leeching might lead to negative stereotypes about people on welfare. | Jul 06 06:09 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 06:18 |
| kingoffrance | seeds are alchemy :) | Jul 06 06:19 |
| kingoffrance | alchemy-wise they are gender-neutral | Jul 06 06:19 |
| kingoffrance | it is like "essence" i think | Jul 06 06:19 |
| kingoffrance | "raw materials" that grows into whatever | Jul 06 06:19 |
| kingoffrance | i mean, it is typically male perhaps, but not always | Jul 06 06:19 |
| kingoffrance | there is a more general meaning too | Jul 06 06:19 |
| kingoffrance | alchemy-wise i dont think it matters whether you say seed is male, womb is female, just that one grows inside the other | Jul 06 06:20 |
| kingoffrance | the effect/result is all you are after, terms are less relevant | Jul 06 06:21 |
| kingoffrance | you really just want the child | Jul 06 06:22 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: with embedded code in printers cheap printers not only is cheaper to replace printer than cartridge it also keeps your printer embedded code changing. | Jul 06 06:23 |
| kingoffrance | is that good or bad ? good you get updates | Jul 06 06:25 |
| kingoffrance | old printers might not | Jul 06 06:25 |
| kingoffrance | i guess, do you trust updates to fix more, or break more things | Jul 06 06:25 |
| oiaohm | Great way to waste stack of paper with some postscript printer was send them a postscript program to generate and print the Fibonacci Sequence until the processing could do it any more. | Jul 06 06:25 |
| oiaohm | Yes that under a few kb postscript file printing out over 2000 pages of A4. | Jul 06 06:26 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 06:26 |
| kingoffrance | sounds like it could affect faxes too | Jul 06 06:26 |
| kingoffrance | maybe indirectly | Jul 06 06:26 |
| kingoffrance | they might have had enough such things on their own perhaps | Jul 06 06:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <kingoffrance "seeds are alchemy :)"> I agree that, on the face, there's nothing wrong with seeding. It's all about the context. | Jul 06 06:40 |
| kingoffrance | i think its a reverse engineering thing typically | Jul 06 06:45 |
| kingoffrance | is why i was trying to say it might be neutral | Jul 06 06:45 |
| kingoffrance | only after you have reverse engineered whatever | Jul 06 06:45 |
| kingoffrance | then you might want to start spawning | Jul 06 06:45 |
| kingoffrance | thats waht i was trying to imply: generic "take a step back to pre-materialization" | Jul 06 06:46 |
| kingoffrance | <thing> that makes some other <thing> | Jul 06 06:49 |
| kingoffrance | like if you have c code | Jul 06 06:56 |
| kingoffrance | compiled, get an object | Jul 06 06:56 |
| kingoffrance | then c source is the seed of binary, compilercan be thought of as womb | Jul 06 06:56 |
| kingoffrance | but i think it is generally bad to try to assign gender | Jul 06 06:56 |
| kingoffrance | because e.g. preprocessor can work on the c source | Jul 06 06:56 |
| kingoffrance | you might transform the binary e.g. link to something else | Jul 06 06:57 |
| kingoffrance | i think any stage potentially something can work on something else | Jul 06 06:57 |
| kingoffrance | so assigning genders i think leads to less possibilities | Jul 06 06:57 |
| kingoffrance | it would be IMO limiting transformations to one direction | Jul 06 06:58 |
| kingoffrance | it would be saying code is code, and never data | Jul 06 07:00 |
| kingoffrance | and i would say you should be able to treat code as data, and data as code, as needed for whatever you want to do | Jul 06 07:00 |
| kingoffrance | on the other hand, you can say when you give source code to a compiler, the compiler is "acting on" the data, so the compielr is male, the source is data/female. thats what i mean | Jul 06 07:07 |
| kingoffrance | all you really care is source + compiler == object | Jul 06 07:07 |
| kingoffrance | the compiler itself, is just dead/inactive/passive data sitting e.g. on hard disk -- until you load it into ram and tell the cpu to jmp there. then suddenly it becomes "active" | Jul 06 07:24 |
| kingoffrance | so IMO any assignment of genders is all relative in that sense | Jul 06 07:24 |
| kingoffrance | it is silly IMO to try to argue "did the code spring to life? or did the processor?" | Jul 06 07:25 |
| kingoffrance | all you really care is code data + processor == running program IMO | Jul 06 07:25 |
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| kingoffrance | alchemy "seed" i think the seed itself is "womb of another "essence" seed" so it just recurses forever basically | Jul 06 08:00 |
| kingoffrance | alternating male/female depending on which "layer" you are speaking of | Jul 06 08:00 |
| kingoffrance | seeds wrapped inside seeds | Jul 06 08:00 |
| kingoffrance | and to them, i think "seed" by definition i think is female shell wrapped around male "essence" so when you place that in some other womb, the first "female" layer/shell cracks, the inside is released/grows .....so to say a seed is male or female is kind of silly IMO | Jul 06 08:05 |
| kingoffrance | just like your program code sitting on disk: its female until you crack the egg shell | Jul 06 08:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate | Jul 06 09:04 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-death-count-stable/partly-false-claim-overall-u-s-death-count-remains-stable-versus-previous-years-hinting-covid-19-not-as-deadly-as-feared-idUSKBN22Q2MT | Jul 06 09:04 |
| schestowitz | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.02.20051532v3 | Jul 06 09:10 |
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| kingoffrance | sorry to bore you guys to death, thats what i am trying to reason with my hobby code, so that is my mindset for coding today | Jul 06 09:18 |
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| kingoffrance | i am trying to create a workable system | Jul 06 09:19 |
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| schestowitz | what DE? | Jul 06 09:23 |
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| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: So earth is female, because it is the environment where seeds grow? | Jul 06 09:51 |
| XRevan86 | There is a limit to any analogy. | Jul 06 09:51 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Maybe IRC clients are male and servers are female, and messages are seeds %). | Jul 06 09:54 |
| kingoffrance | i thnk sun is usually male, mother earth | Jul 06 09:54 |
| kingoffrance | but remember | Jul 06 09:54 |
| kingoffrance | inner earth is another sun/core == male | Jul 06 09:54 |
| kingoffrance | and the earth and sun themselves: both wrapped by a probably "female" sky :) | Jul 06 09:54 |
| kingoffrance | so just alternate wrappings i believe | Jul 06 09:55 |
| kingoffrance | im just speculating | Jul 06 09:55 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: in http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/network-rick-jones.jpg , what does "age difficult" mean? | Jul 06 09:55 |
| kingoffrance | i think its more matter versus "spirit" or whatever you want to call it | Jul 06 09:55 |
| kingoffrance | its "thing inside other thing" | Jul 06 09:55 |
| AVRS | (or anyone else; Wiktionary does not help) | Jul 06 09:55 |
| XRevan86 | "inner earth is another sun" – oh yes, so many thermonuclear reactions down there. | Jul 06 09:56 |
| XRevan86 | I guess if it's hot, then it's a sun. | Jul 06 09:56 |
| schestowitz | = | Jul 06 09:56 |
| schestowitz | x https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/26308 | Jul 06 09:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog | Jul 06 09:56 | |
| schestowitz | = | Jul 06 09:56 |
| *XRevan86 looks at a kettle with suspicion. | Jul 06 09:56 | |
| schestowitz | AVRS: maybe hard to determine age | Jul 06 09:56 |
| kingoffrance | put another way: i think you are concerned with boundaries/borders and transformations across them | Jul 06 09:57 |
| kingoffrance | nothing is ever isolated, tis always surrounded by something | Jul 06 09:58 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Sun is not wrapped in the sky. | Jul 06 09:58 |
| kingoffrance | and always surrounds something i guess | Jul 06 09:58 |
| kingoffrance | s/sky/galaxy/ outer space | Jul 06 09:59 |
| kingoffrance | whatever | Jul 06 09:59 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: So the vacuum of space is female? | Jul 06 09:59 |
| kingoffrance | the space between stars, planets, etc. | Jul 06 09:59 |
| kingoffrance | im no expert, dont trust me :) | Jul 06 09:59 |
| kingoffrance | your dealing with old religions and miles of speculation | Jul 06 09:59 |
| kingoffrance | theres only 2 people in the world who understand gold, and they disagree -- attributed to a rothschild | Jul 06 10:00 |
| XRevan86 | And attempts at shoving sexes into lifeless objects %) | Jul 06 10:00 |
| kingoffrance | yes | Jul 06 10:00 |
| kingoffrance | everything is supposed to be alive with some essence | Jul 06 10:00 |
| XRevan86 | not everything alive has a concept of sex | Jul 06 10:01 |
| kingoffrance | as far as i am concerned | Jul 06 10:03 |
| kingoffrance | the persno with root sitting at keyboard typing has god mode | Jul 06 10:03 |
| kingoffrance | so all other programs are girly men in comparison | Jul 06 10:03 |
| scientes | XRevan86, it has the concept of replication | Jul 06 10:03 |
| scientes | and bacteria have non-reproductive sex | Jul 06 10:04 |
| scientes | (apes and humans do too) | Jul 06 10:04 |
| kingoffrance | i really only study such things foremost to understand video games | Jul 06 10:04 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 10:04 |
| kingoffrance | i think it comes down to, are you sailing in the ocean | Jul 06 10:06 |
| kingoffrance | or is the current overpowering your vessel | Jul 06 10:06 |
| kingoffrance | it could go either way | Jul 06 10:06 |
| kingoffrance | same thing with "sky" "empty space" whatever | Jul 06 10:06 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: An interesting way of conflating processes that have very different purposes %) | Jul 06 10:10 |
| AVRS | scientes: were you offended by what I said yesterday or what? | Jul 06 10:11 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: And if the vessel overpowers the ocean then it's a male in that relationship? | Jul 06 10:11 |
| scientes | > overpowers the ocean | Jul 06 10:14 |
| scientes | what drugs are you on? | Jul 06 10:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: sci-fi kind | Jul 06 10:15 |
| XRevan86 | without the sci- part I guess | Jul 06 10:16 |
| kingoffrance | i mean are you moving towards your destinatino or being hatled | Jul 06 10:21 |
| kingoffrance | s/hatled/halted/ | Jul 06 10:21 |
| kingoffrance | i.e. its relatie to where you are trying to reach | Jul 06 10:22 |
| kingoffrance | and, you dont really have to do anything | Jul 06 10:22 |
| kingoffrance | if you know a given stream/wind/whatever will propel you | Jul 06 10:22 |
| kingoffrance | again, i think all you really care | Jul 06 10:23 |
| kingoffrance | is how do i get from point a to b | Jul 06 10:23 |
| kingoffrance | i was arguing against such things | Jul 06 10:24 |
| kingoffrance | as being pointless | Jul 06 10:24 |
| kingoffrance | you are attacking straw man you invented | Jul 06 10:24 |
| kingoffrance | or didnt follow things | Jul 06 10:24 |
| kingoffrance | and jumped in late | Jul 06 10:24 |
| kingoffrance | my whole point was assigning genders to such things is pointless | Jul 06 10:25 |
| *XRevan86 catapults. | Jul 06 10:25 | |
| kingoffrance | where are you trying to each? this is in your mind something you make up | Jul 06 10:26 |
| kingoffrance | s/each/reach/ | Jul 06 10:26 |
| XRevan86 | Yes, I failed to follow the thread well enough. | Jul 06 10:26 |
| kingoffrance | ok | Jul 06 10:26 |
| XRevan86 | A backlog of 400 messages is hard to read through thoroughly | Jul 06 10:27 |
| kingoffrance | and the whole idea | Jul 06 10:27 |
| kingoffrance | is to work with nature/science/the world/whatever | Jul 06 10:27 |
| kingoffrance | so you are basically just levaraging pre-existing processes supposedly | Jul 06 10:27 |
| kingoffrance | and in that sense | Jul 06 10:28 |
| kingoffrance | would always be "female" | Jul 06 10:28 |
| kingoffrance | i.e. you are not god | Jul 06 10:28 |
| kingoffrance | you are working with pre-existing creation | Jul 06 10:28 |
| kingoffrance | just like i said | Jul 06 10:28 |
| kingoffrance | if you dont say "i want to go to destination x" then i cant tell you whether you got derailed or not | Jul 06 10:30 |
| kingoffrance | so i dont know if you overpowered the "ocean" or not | Jul 06 10:31 |
| kingoffrance | because you declared no destinatino | Jul 06 10:31 |
| kingoffrance | it is unfalsifiable | Jul 06 10:31 |
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| kingoffrance | "overpowered" i meant in the sense "did you reach your goal" | Jul 06 10:32 |
| kingoffrance | so yes, if you declare no measure of "success" | Jul 06 10:33 |
| kingoffrance | please dont accuse me of "sci-fi" thank you | Jul 06 10:33 |
| kingoffrance | same way you might win a battle, lose a war | Jul 06 10:38 |
| kingoffrance | you were "Male" for one day | Jul 06 10:38 |
| kingoffrance | then "female" for the duration lol | Jul 06 10:38 |
| kingoffrance | if i dont know waht you were fighting for, i dont know if you "won the war" | Jul 06 10:39 |
| kingoffrance | you might "win" and still lose | Jul 06 10:39 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: I probably meant this Twitter user doing a barrage on RMS https://nitter.net/sarahmei | Jul 06 10:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Sarah Mei (@sarahmei) | nitter | Jul 06 10:47 | |
| schestowitz | salesforce | Jul 06 10:47 |
| schestowitz | now head of osi | Jul 06 10:47 |
| schestowitz | funny as I was just thinking less than a minute ago about | Jul 06 10:48 |
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| kingoffrance | i did see something you might find more "scientific" | Jul 06 10:55 |
| kingoffrance | in proglangdesign a person linked to a paper (dont have url, sorry) about translating code to different languages | Jul 06 10:55 |
| kingoffrance | i.e. can you represent one language inside another | Jul 06 10:56 |
| AVRS | s/probably // | Jul 06 10:56 |
| kingoffrance | the point being, just because you "can" doesnt mean it retains its essence, even if functionally it might execute similar | Jul 06 10:56 |
| kingoffrance | so they didnt really define "essence" | Jul 06 10:56 |
| kingoffrance | but that was implied | Jul 06 10:56 |
| kingoffrance | and just because functionally it might execute similar and give similar results | Jul 06 10:56 |
| kingoffrance | doesnt mean the translated code is human-readable | Jul 06 10:56 |
| kingoffrance | or something anyone would want to work on | Jul 06 10:56 |
| kingoffrance | and the language syntax is one thing | Jul 06 10:57 |
| kingoffrance | the compiler/vm/interpreter/what have you is another | Jul 06 10:57 |
| kingoffrance | so even "essence of a language" is tricky because there might be multiple run-times | Jul 06 10:57 |
| scientes | kingoffrance, the essence of a language is the data structures | Jul 06 10:58 |
| scientes | it is actually quite simple | Jul 06 10:58 |
| kingoffrance | lol that is fine | Jul 06 10:59 |
| scientes | but most people get so caught up in the language's turing complete-ness that they lose sight of the forrest for the trees | Jul 06 10:59 |
| scientes | and then you get C++ | Jul 06 10:59 |
| scientes | or Rust | Jul 06 10:59 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 10:59 |
| scientes | or other completel shit | Jul 06 10:59 |
| kingoffrance | i guess the other point | Jul 06 10:59 |
| scientes | (not that Rust is complete shit) | Jul 06 10:59 |
| kingoffrance | is a language that is easily machine translatable may or may not necessarily be something youd watn to write | Jul 06 10:59 |
| scientes | this is the "design-by comittee" problem | Jul 06 10:59 |
| kingoffrance | i mean you can cheat and write a subset so it is easier to "translate" | Jul 06 10:59 |
| kingoffrance | but that might destroy some of the original flavor too | Jul 06 11:00 |
| scientes | kingoffrance, turning languages are by definition not machine translatable | Jul 06 11:00 |
| scientes | that is the problem | Jul 06 11:00 |
| scientes | people loose sight of the data structures and algorithms | Jul 06 11:00 |
| scientes | and they start doing stuff in stupid ways | Jul 06 11:00 |
| kingoffrance | yes i do think that is the trend in proglangdesign | Jul 06 11:00 |
| kingoffrance | overly worried about syntax sugar | Jul 06 11:00 |
| scientes | if you have a hammer everything looks like a nail | Jul 06 11:00 |
| scientes | <kingoffrance> overly worried about syntax sugar | Jul 06 11:00 |
| scientes | exactly | Jul 06 11:00 |
| kingoffrance | and then when they get an implementation it seems to crawl | Jul 06 11:00 |
| kingoffrance | but hey, its easy to write | Jul 06 11:01 |
| kingoffrance | well im probably too much the other way | Jul 06 11:01 |
| kingoffrance | :) | Jul 06 11:01 |
| scientes | well speed of execution is not the same thing as proper implementation | Jul 06 11:01 |
| kingoffrance | true | Jul 06 11:01 |
| scientes | because it could just be missing optimizations | Jul 06 11:01 |
| scientes | even Andrew W.K. says this | Jul 06 11:02 |
| scientes | when he talks about how your computer could be used to literally pound a nail | Jul 06 11:02 |
| scientes | this isn't a programmer at all, but he is smarter than 95% of programmers in this regard | Jul 06 11:02 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 11:03 |
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| scientes | PARTY HARD! | Jul 06 11:03 |
| kingoffrance | on other things i have totally opposite view e.g. utf | Jul 06 11:04 |
| kingoffrance | how dare they claim every charset is a subset of themself | Jul 06 11:04 |
| kingoffrance | that is insanity IMO | Jul 06 11:04 |
| kingoffrance | yet it is accepted | Jul 06 11:04 |
| kingoffrance | claim the past, present, and future, forever more | Jul 06 11:04 |
| kingoffrance | where is the "science" in that? | Jul 06 11:04 |
| kingoffrance | i mean for data exchange, fine | Jul 06 11:05 |
| kingoffrance | but its just a bald lie IMO | Jul 06 11:05 |
| kingoffrance | i accuse them of doing alchemy but not admitting it | Jul 06 11:05 |
| kingoffrance | a lie that makes some things more convenient perhaps | Jul 06 11:06 |
| kingoffrance | i would note it is fine within itself as a system unto itself | Jul 06 11:07 |
| kingoffrance | but prior definitions had to be updated | Jul 06 11:07 |
| kingoffrance | and conflict | Jul 06 11:07 |
| kingoffrance | so it "works" if you use the new definition of charset | Jul 06 11:07 |
| kingoffrance | which again, is fine | Jul 06 11:09 |
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| kingoffrance | but i should have the same leeway to redefine terms then | Jul 06 11:09 |
| kingoffrance | so long as my system is self-consistent | Jul 06 11:09 |
| kingoffrance | i.e. why judge mediaval pseudo-science by "science" standards? of course it wont hold up | Jul 06 11:09 |
| kingoffrance | different languages | Jul 06 11:10 |
| kingoffrance | it surely wont translate well | Jul 06 11:10 |
| kingoffrance | judge it within its own little world | Jul 06 11:10 |
| MinceR | 06 044335 < kingoffrance> they did ask me "whats the largest program youve written?" | Jul 06 11:11 |
| MinceR | totally natural question from the corporation that put its name on UEFI/TianoCore | Jul 06 11:11 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 11:13 |
| kingoffrance | i think they just saw sysadmin on my resume so i assumed i jsut wrote scripts maybe | Jul 06 11:13 |
| kingoffrance | but still a dumb question -- just ask if youve written anything non-scripting then | Jul 06 11:13 |
| MinceR | 06 055224 < oiaohm> Of course I would like to see something else appear that is proper competition to systemd. | Jul 06 11:14 |
| MinceR | it's been around for a while | Jul 06 11:14 |
| MinceR | it's called "Windows" | Jul 06 11:14 |
| kingoffrance | i guess i also am a firm believier | Jul 06 11:17 |
| kingoffrance | anything can be made to "work" | Jul 06 11:17 |
| kingoffrance | which isnt an excuse to slack or make poor choices of ingredients | Jul 06 11:17 |
| kingoffrance | but just "how much effort to get from a to b" IMO | Jul 06 11:17 |
| kingoffrance | esp. eg if you are diong an os kernel and userland and libc ---- you can cheat and there are no non-self-created constraints per se | Jul 06 11:18 |
| MinceR | also "will it crash and burn before it could complete the task" | Jul 06 11:18 |
| MinceR | or "how many times will you have to try it until it does what you need" | Jul 06 11:19 |
| kingoffrance | i also think the whole agile thing is alchemy -- different env. produce different results; which is fine. but why hold me to higher standards then others? | Jul 06 11:25 |
| kingoffrance | actually i toyed with starting a channel | Jul 06 11:30 |
| kingoffrance | i just dont think id be around much | Jul 06 11:30 |
| kingoffrance | so i havent seen anyone else doing similar yet | Jul 06 11:30 |
| kingoffrance | i guess my point is i do see lots of alchemy in programming | Jul 06 11:31 |
| kingoffrance | its juts not identified as such | Jul 06 11:31 |
| kingoffrance | and there is no defined system i see anywhere | Jul 06 11:31 |
| psydread | is alchemy a good or a bad thing? | Jul 06 11:32 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: bad thing | Jul 06 11:34 |
| psydread | XRevan86: I think it depends | Jul 06 11:35 |
| psydread | if you want to do alchemy, you do alchemy | Jul 06 11:35 |
| psydread | if you want to do science and engineering, you do things differently | Jul 06 11:35 |
| kingoffrance | people have said agile stuff came from manufacturing | Jul 06 11:35 |
| kingoffrance | so its a transplant i guess | Jul 06 11:35 |
| psydread | and yes, I feel about the computer industry that it's all a bunch of alchemy with little to no science and engineering | Jul 06 11:36 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 11:36 |
| kingoffrance | i would argue that is finance and seeps into everything | Jul 06 11:36 |
| kingoffrance | :) | Jul 06 11:36 |
| MinceR | seems more like religion lately | Jul 06 11:36 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 11:36 |
| kingoffrance | they dont know its alchemy | Jul 06 11:36 |
| kingoffrance | sshhh | Jul 06 11:37 |
| MinceR | they don't know it be like it is but it do | Jul 06 11:37 |
| kingoffrance | you have to know alchemy to know how to avoid their alchemy :) | Jul 06 11:39 |
| kingoffrance | i think there is science and engineering | Jul 06 11:43 |
| kingoffrance | it just changes so fast | Jul 06 11:44 |
| kingoffrance | it would be hard to hold down definitions and terms | Jul 06 11:44 |
| kingoffrance | viz: utf | Jul 06 11:44 |
| kingoffrance | viz: primary storage, secondary storage | Jul 06 11:44 |
| kingoffrance | nowadays known as ram, disk | Jul 06 11:44 |
| kingoffrance | plus cpu cache in there somewhere | Jul 06 11:44 |
| MinceR | even "disk" is a bit of a historical artifact already :> | Jul 06 11:45 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 11:45 |
| XRevan86 | "drive" | Jul 06 11:45 |
| kingoffrance | well i misspoke | Jul 06 11:45 |
| kingoffrance | windows 10 still has a floppy for save | Jul 06 11:45 |
| kingoffrance | they have kept the old definitions | Jul 06 11:45 |
| kingoffrance | of icons | Jul 06 11:45 |
| kingoffrance | long after they are gone lol | Jul 06 11:45 |
| kingoffrance | i think that was obsolete when disks came out | Jul 06 11:46 |
| kingoffrance | and you didnt have to e.g. swap floppies or have 2 floppy drives | Jul 06 11:46 |
| XRevan86 | I think it's just hard to come up with something else | Jul 06 11:46 |
| kingoffrance | to "save" your stuff on | Jul 06 11:46 |
| XRevan86 | What could be an icon of saving? Baby Jesus? | Jul 06 11:47 |
| kingoffrance | alchemy it would be earth/serialization | Jul 06 11:47 |
| kingoffrance | methinks | Jul 06 11:47 |
| kingoffrance | so a gnome | Jul 06 11:47 |
| kingoffrance | solidify | Jul 06 11:47 |
| XRevan86 | mammoth poop? | Jul 06 11:47 |
| kingoffrance | this too: serialize/deserialize (used to just be data i think, now code too) freeze/unfreeze .....even where there are terms, people just invent their own | Jul 06 11:48 |
| kingoffrance | the languages change, so they invent a new term to match | Jul 06 11:49 |
| kingoffrance | scatter/gather map/reduce | Jul 06 11:49 |
| kingoffrance | i guess, i see no science in programming future until they agree on definitions first | Jul 06 11:50 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Serialisation is more about format. | Jul 06 11:50 |
| MinceR | in Tango, Save's been a HDD box with an arrow for ages | Jul 06 11:50 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, but data structures are languages :) | Jul 06 11:50 |
| MinceR | as for jesus, "Allah's true name is naught, Christ cannot save" | Jul 06 11:50 |
| kingoffrance | or, languages are data structures | Jul 06 11:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: He just grew up | Jul 06 11:52 |
| XRevan86 | like in Mary Poppins :) | Jul 06 11:53 |
| kingoffrance | i would even argue, the more alchemy (refactor/transform existing things, or extend) the less languages/definitions -- the sooner science appears | Jul 06 11:53 |
| kingoffrance | not that people wont make new variants | Jul 06 11:54 |
| kingoffrance | but might cut down some of the jargon | Jul 06 11:54 |
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| kingoffrance | i have a theory i sometimes point out, in the days of punch cards i think you had libraries of volumes .....but then disks got large enough you could fit multiple libraries inside one volume/disk | Jul 06 11:58 |
| kingoffrance | so i think the terminology 1984s goes way back | Jul 06 11:58 |
| kingoffrance | as hardware evolves | Jul 06 11:58 |
| kingoffrance | i.e. at some poitn you could fit multiple libraries inside one book | Jul 06 11:58 |
| kingoffrance | the books/disks seem to have grown that large | Jul 06 11:59 |
| kingoffrance | so, we still have libraries | Jul 06 12:00 |
| kingoffrance | but they live inside books/disk nowadays i guess | Jul 06 12:00 |
| kingoffrance | and we still have volumes | Jul 06 12:00 |
| kingoffrance | with libraries inside them | Jul 06 12:00 |
| kingoffrance | and i think forth and some mainframe things like rpg maybe had "screens" like a punch card of yore | Jul 06 12:02 |
| kingoffrance | so we had volumes inside volumes too | Jul 06 12:03 |
| kingoffrance | this is just my theory of what happened | Jul 06 12:04 |
| kingoffrance | but i dont think it is conducive to science | Jul 06 12:04 |
| kingoffrance | no science is possible unless such things get straightened out IMO | Jul 06 12:04 |
| kingoffrance | let us not add partitions into this | Jul 06 12:05 |
| kingoffrance | or filesystems or loopback fs | Jul 06 12:06 |
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| kingoffrance | instead of terminology they could be cleaning up, we are getting "f me with a rake" comments -> "hug me with a rake" | Jul 06 12:13 |
| kingoffrance | alchemy is just solid/liquid/gas and temperature converts | Jul 06 12:14 |
| kingoffrance | its just applied abstractly to anything, thats the only difference | Jul 06 12:14 |
| kingoffrance | between other sciences | Jul 06 12:14 |
| kingoffrance | its just abstract | Jul 06 12:14 |
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| kingoffrance | and levels of "purity" i suppose | Jul 06 12:19 |
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| kingoffrance | so, like utf they would claim every other science is a subset of it | Jul 06 12:35 |
| kingoffrance | and every religion too perhaps | Jul 06 12:35 |
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| kingoffrance | actually i like what scientes said, the essence of a language is the data structures | Jul 06 12:48 |
| kingoffrance | thats why i find utf so unappealing -- its concerned with every human language ever | Jul 06 12:49 |
| kingoffrance | if i am going to come up with crazy charsets, it is for coding purposes | Jul 06 12:49 |
| kingoffrance | which maybe are halfway mixture between "human language" and "computer language" | Jul 06 12:49 |
| kingoffrance | i dont need any new human languages, i am experimenting with custom computer languages | Jul 06 12:50 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Computer users from all around the world do. | Jul 06 12:50 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 12:51 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, user != dev | Jul 06 12:51 |
| XRevan86 | If you can hardcode a simple charset then you won't feel a need for unicode. | Jul 06 12:51 |
| XRevan86 | but then internationalisation will be thrown out the window | Jul 06 12:52 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, i think it has good business reason to exist | Jul 06 12:52 |
| kingoffrance | it is just far opposite of my hobby spectrum | Jul 06 12:52 |
| psydread | devs from all around the world do | Jul 06 12:52 |
| kingoffrance | its solidifying things when i want them liquid | Jul 06 12:53 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Aren't you glad that days when non-UTF-8 was commonplace in IRC are over? | Jul 06 12:53 |
| kingoffrance | cramping my style | Jul 06 12:53 |
| MinceR | https://youtu.be/PxB6Dx_x7SI?t=106 | Jul 06 12:53 |
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| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: I can send you Ⰴ and it will be decoded properly. | Jul 06 12:53 |
| kingoffrance | yeah | Jul 06 12:54 |
| kingoffrance | iw ant to do things like fuse though | Jul 06 12:55 |
| kingoffrance | i just have a much more abstract viewpoint, charsets are languages | Jul 06 12:56 |
| kingoffrance | or dsls maybe | Jul 06 12:56 |
| kingoffrance | so there is a language of slot machine imagery | Jul 06 12:56 |
| kingoffrance | of which a cherry would fit into | Jul 06 12:56 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Strings occasionally contain human sentences %). | Jul 06 12:56 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, im trying to make it possible to be full shorthand/phonetic | Jul 06 12:57 |
| kingoffrance | whether that will actually be usable | Jul 06 12:57 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: What? | Jul 06 12:57 |
| kingoffrance | so sentences/strings, are just output in that case | Jul 06 12:57 |
| kingoffrance | i didnt say its a good idea | Jul 06 12:58 |
| kingoffrance | just i havent seen it | Jul 06 12:58 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: I don't get the idea. | Jul 06 12:58 |
| kingoffrance | its not new, its just a weird arrangement | Jul 06 12:58 |
| kingoffrance | back to the days when ascii had hardware-specific commands in it, each input device itself is a language/charset | Jul 06 12:58 |
| XRevan86 | What's the idea? | Jul 06 12:58 |
| kingoffrance | theres a reason i do my own stuff and dont try to get my ideas into other oses | Jul 06 12:59 |
| kingoffrance | its too far out | Jul 06 12:59 |
| kingoffrance | s/is a/has a/ | Jul 06 12:59 |
| XRevan86 | Do you want a universal phonetic alphabet? | Jul 06 12:59 |
| kingoffrance | im just saying with that mindset | Jul 06 12:59 |
| kingoffrance | any universal charset is disallowed | Jul 06 12:59 |
| kingoffrance | you can translate | Jul 06 12:59 |
| kingoffrance | its just a different arrangement | Jul 06 12:59 |
| scientes | but English cannot be represented phonetically | Jul 06 12:59 |
| scientes | because of vowel reduction | Jul 06 13:00 |
| kingoffrance | dotn assume i have some grand scheme | Jul 06 13:00 |
| kingoffrance | just trying to say how i arrive at things | Jul 06 13:00 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No human language can be without sacrifises. | Jul 06 13:00 |
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| kingoffrance | where the idea mightve came from | Jul 06 13:00 |
| scientes | XRevan86, unless you have Jesus lol | Jul 06 13:00 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 13:00 |
| kingoffrance | i actually strongly dislike templeos | Jul 06 13:00 |
| kingoffrance | i dont see anywhere he attempted any alchemy | Jul 06 13:01 |
| XRevan86 | Belarusian has the ugliest spelling of the East Slavic languages. | Jul 06 13:01 |
| kingoffrance | it seems the most shallow possible "temple" | Jul 06 13:01 |
| XRevan86 | Reason: Belarusian has vowel reduction like Greater Russian, but also tries to be phonetic. | Jul 06 13:01 |
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| kingoffrance | put another way: to me no charset stands alone, its just "waht can you translate it too" | Jul 06 13:02 |
| kingoffrance | e.g. slot machine cherry image -> ascii "cherry" | Jul 06 13:02 |
| kingoffrance | so the cherry image is a "char" in "slot_machine" charset | Jul 06 13:03 |
| kingoffrance | for example | Jul 06 13:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So phonetic alphabets are rarely a good idea. | Jul 06 13:03 |
| kingoffrance | i suppose you could do an ascii art ascii "translation" too | Jul 06 13:03 |
| XRevan86 | I mean, spellings | Jul 06 13:03 |
| scientes | XRevan86, what are you suggesting, we all learn Chinese? | Jul 06 13:04 |
| kingoffrance | its not that you cant do such thigns with utf | Jul 06 13:04 |
| kingoffrance | but people dotn think that way | Jul 06 13:04 |
| XRevan86 | A good spelling should have a balance between sound and internal structure | Jul 06 13:04 |
| kingoffrance | if its all one giant universal thing | Jul 06 13:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Isn't Chinese the languages where scripture is practically a language in its own right? | Jul 06 13:05 |
| XRevan86 | It's not a bad reflection of a language, it's almost absence of it | Jul 06 13:05 |
| *psydread prefers Devanagari | Jul 06 13:06 | |
| scientes | <XRevan86> It's not a bad reflection of a language, it's almost absence of it | Jul 06 13:06 |
| scientes | ???? | Jul 06 13:06 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the point is that Chinese is one of the few totally-not-phonetic languages | Jul 06 13:07 |
| scientes | they are quite rare | Jul 06 13:07 |
| kingoffrance | i only mentioned phonetics, because youd have a phonetic charset, and e.g. translate to ascii sentences or whatever | Jul 06 13:07 |
| kingoffrance | i woudl argue this type of thing already occurs many places | Jul 06 13:08 |
| kingoffrance | they just dont make them individual charsets | Jul 06 13:08 |
| kingoffrance | they might have program-specific enums, for example | Jul 06 13:08 |
| kingoffrance | language-specific too | Jul 06 13:08 |
| MinceR | 06 135541 < kingoffrance> iw ant to do things like fuse though | Jul 06 13:08 |
| kingoffrance | i just want something systemwide | Jul 06 13:08 |
| kingoffrance | in the sense of a viewpoint | Jul 06 13:08 |
| MinceR | i'd rather not download code to the client just to decipher an encoding | Jul 06 13:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I mean that spelling has much less of a connection to other parts of the language. | Jul 06 13:08 |
| kingoffrance | no, think like /proc | Jul 06 13:08 |
| MinceR | we already automatically download and run code in web browsers, and it's a disaster | Jul 06 13:08 |
| kingoffrance | you overestimate my time/abilities/skills/money :) | Jul 06 13:08 |
| kingoffrance | what is proc? just a viewpiont of other things | Jul 06 13:09 |
| psydread | je mappel le rwa de frans | Jul 06 13:09 |
| scientes | XRevan86, u rly? | Jul 06 13:09 |
| scientes | u tk so? | Jul 06 13:09 |
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| MinceR | u tcl so? | Jul 06 13:09 |
| scientes | u tk tsu? | Jul 06 13:09 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And a phonetic alphabet also rarely succeeds at connecting to the internal rules of a language. | Jul 06 13:10 |
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| kingoffrance | basically i would argue waht i want already occurs, poorly | Jul 06 13:10 |
| XRevan86 | darn, phonetic spelling | Jul 06 13:10 |
| kingoffrance | it exists, just in reinvent-the-wheel-over-and-over sense IMO | Jul 06 13:10 |
| scientes | XRevan86, but it can, as unspell does | Jul 06 13:10 |
| scientes | the problem is usually a colonial one | Jul 06 13:11 |
| scientes | where the alphabet is foreign | Jul 06 13:11 |
| scientes | that is the genius of chinese | Jul 06 13:11 |
| scientes | is that it is NOT a phonetic language | Jul 06 13:12 |
| MinceR | yeah, making people learn thousands of characters is "genius" | Jul 06 13:12 |
| XRevan86 | because it's just too rigid, and so cannot even reflect phoneme alternation | Jul 06 13:12 |
| XRevan86 | or when different phonemes are acceptable | Jul 06 13:13 |
| MinceR | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/nKiJ7MLgujV8Rbg9YXHlL8zhCYKbnhee_y22llBcda2ep0nQYLPCGQcoQQEXuIq_QSnHJUEjEdaqquvIdYlwtPE43UL7PMj3o9sQ3bLHC6I | Jul 06 13:13 |
| XRevan86 | in certain context | Jul 06 13:13 |
| XRevan86 | That's the tragedy of phonetic spellings – whatever comes out of one's mouth is… serialised. | Jul 06 13:14 |
| XRevan86 | and that serialised form is then serialised again | Jul 06 13:14 |
| kingoffrance | thats the tragedy of uth | Jul 06 13:14 |
| kingoffrance | s/uth/utf/ | Jul 06 13:15 |
| kingoffrance | see :) i think i am just approaching same thing from a different angel | Jul 06 13:15 |
| MinceR | have you heard the tragedy of utf the wise? | Jul 06 13:15 |
| kingoffrance | s/angel/angle/ | Jul 06 13:15 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: No, Unicode does not deal with that. | Jul 06 13:16 |
| kingoffrance | to me its serialized | Jul 06 13:16 |
| kingoffrance | everything else is a subset of it, or supposed to be | Jul 06 13:16 |
| XRevan86 | It's a charset that intends to contain every character out there | Jul 06 13:17 |
| XRevan86 | and funny faces, and fruits | Jul 06 13:17 |
| kingoffrance | how is that not serialization? | Jul 06 13:17 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: That's… compilation | Jul 06 13:18 |
| kingoffrance | potatoe potato | Jul 06 13:18 |
| XRevan86 | and flags and different skin colours | Jul 06 13:19 |
| kingoffrance | see, i will end up with something similar | Jul 06 13:19 |
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| XRevan86 | because if your funny face doesn't contain specific skin colour, it's racist | Jul 06 13:19 |
| kingoffrance | just have a different ways to string them together or translate | Jul 06 13:19 |
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| kingoffrance | this is another thing i care less than i might seem to imply | Jul 06 13:21 |
| kingoffrance | just coming frmo an old world | Jul 06 13:21 |
| kingoffrance | of e.g. dos glyphs | Jul 06 13:21 |
| kingoffrance | i would argue charsets were os-specific | Jul 06 13:22 |
| kingoffrance | whether this was good or bad | Jul 06 13:22 |
| kingoffrance | like the lan thing | Jul 06 13:22 |
| kingoffrance | it was just different arrangement IMO | Jul 06 13:22 |
| kingoffrance | and, same reason: internet/ip being everywhere | Jul 06 13:22 |
| kingoffrance | probably is the same impetus for a new arrangement | Jul 06 13:22 |
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| kingoffrance | so, like a print server versus stuff running on printer itself: i dont think it matters feature-wise, its just "where" it occurs | Jul 06 13:24 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/04/26/f2d93e168c3a3f1a.jpg | Jul 06 13:27 |
| kingoffrance | amongst other things, to me, enum is just a fancy word for character inside a custom charset and character classes are like masks so, if languages are data structures, then i guess charsets are the center of my universe | Jul 06 13:29 |
| kingoffrance | they do the things i want | Jul 06 13:29 |
| kingoffrance | just not systemwide iMO | Jul 06 13:29 |
| kingoffrance | enum value i should say | Jul 06 13:30 |
| kingoffrance | s/they do/people already do/ | Jul 06 13:31 |
| kingoffrance | i guess to me enums would be anonymous unnamed character sets kind of | Jul 06 13:32 |
| kingoffrance | anonymous in the sense of, they have a name, but not in the "character set" "namespace" or whatever you want to call it | Jul 06 13:32 |
| psydread | indeed | Jul 06 13:32 |
| psydread | https://syncedreview.com/2019/12/23/cmu-senior-develops-worlds-first-classical-chinese-programming-language/ | Jul 06 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-syncedreview.com | CMU Senior Develops World's First Classical Chinese Programming Language | Synced | Jul 06 13:32 | |
| MinceR | they could just use APL instead | Jul 06 13:33 |
| psydread | chinese programming language does what a chinese person wants it to do | Jul 06 13:33 |
| kingoffrance | and thats why i say ascii used to do things this way, with control characters, for example | Jul 06 13:35 |
| kingoffrance | perhaps something many dont want to return to | Jul 06 13:35 |
| kingoffrance | but i am just curious what happens if you encourage such | Jul 06 13:35 |
| kingoffrance | the path not taken in a sense | Jul 06 13:35 |
| kingoffrance | or the path they stabbed in the back | Jul 06 13:36 |
| scientes | psydread, look at the one that translates into = false | Jul 06 13:36 |
| scientes | you have no idea while looking at it what it does | Jul 06 13:36 |
| scientes | batshit | Jul 06 13:36 |
| kingoffrance | poitn being ,ascii wasnt a human language 100% -- it had computer stuff in there, or hardware at least | Jul 06 13:39 |
| kingoffrance | i would separate these | Jul 06 13:40 |
| kingoffrance | keep the hardware stuff in a different area than the human language stuff | Jul 06 13:40 |
| kingoffrance | i mean, for a keyboard, it is going to have letters ---- but that is input, maybe i want output in some other format | Jul 06 13:41 |
| kingoffrance | i guess ascii was for a mixed input/output device perhaps | Jul 06 13:42 |
| MinceR | people probably don't have that much enthusiasm for having to do encoding conversion between typing and displaying | Jul 06 13:43 |
| kingoffrance | sure | Jul 06 13:44 |
| MinceR | though it's already done for line breaks, apparently | Jul 06 13:44 |
| MinceR | you press CR and LF or CR+LF is printed | Jul 06 13:44 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://hugelolcdn.com/i/678813.jpg | Jul 06 13:53 |
| kingoffrance | its like the postscript thing again | Jul 06 13:54 |
| kingoffrance | if i have some output device | Jul 06 13:54 |
| kingoffrance | do isend it a <draw> command/code, followed by <cherry> | Jul 06 13:54 |
| kingoffrance | or do i have a local font, render locally, just send bitmap to the output device | Jul 06 13:55 |
| kingoffrance | it depends on hardware which way makes sense i guess | Jul 06 13:55 |
| kingoffrance | its kind of the same thing perhaps, just <where> does the rendering actually occur | Jul 06 13:56 |
| kingoffrance | in either case, you have some special <cherry> code/value | Jul 06 13:57 |
| kingoffrance | with or without a glyph/image | Jul 06 13:57 |
| kingoffrance | i have an old radio shack dictionary of computing, morse code was a code/charset | Jul 06 13:58 |
| kingoffrance | or, charset was defined as a code | Jul 06 13:59 |
| kingoffrance | 1970s | Jul 06 13:59 |
| kingoffrance | so whetehr you render by sound or sight is almost irrelevant perhaps | Jul 06 13:59 |
| kingoffrance | or even touch or something | Jul 06 14:00 |
| kingoffrance | morse could of course be input or output | Jul 06 14:01 |
| kingoffrance | utf isnt really false advertising, text != code i suppose | Jul 06 14:12 |
| kingoffrance | the old definition sets were a "code" | Jul 06 14:12 |
| kingoffrance | probably cuz without fancy screens there were less fonts to choose from | Jul 06 14:13 |
| kingoffrance | its not mutually exclusive | Jul 06 14:14 |
| kingoffrance | but i suppose code predates text, not the other way around maybe | Jul 06 14:14 |
| kingoffrance | you can have a code without a glyph, but not text without a code IMO | Jul 06 14:15 |
| MinceR | well, the segment called "text" contains machine code :> | Jul 06 14:19 |
| kingoffrance | well yeah ive told people code is plaintext to the cpu | Jul 06 14:25 |
| kingoffrance | but then they say "there is no plaintext" | Jul 06 14:25 |
| kingoffrance | which is fine | Jul 06 14:25 |
| kingoffrance | but to me thats alchemy just not admitting it | Jul 06 14:25 |
| kingoffrance | you can do that with anything | Jul 06 14:25 |
| kingoffrance | just pretend it doesnt exist | Jul 06 14:25 |
| kingoffrance | and get a differetn viewpoint | Jul 06 14:25 |
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| kingoffrance | it doesnt bother me, just pre-utf there was a concept of plaintext | Jul 06 14:30 |
| kingoffrance | so you just have to know what "world" you are in | Jul 06 14:30 |
| kingoffrance | whether the concept is permitted or not | Jul 06 14:30 |
| kingoffrance | some systems allow such a concept, others dont | Jul 06 14:31 |
| kingoffrance | thats much more honest IMO than saying "it doesnt exist" | Jul 06 14:31 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: legal meaning of plaintext comes normal human readable out loud. Not that the person can understand it of course. | Jul 06 14:31 |
| kingoffrance | oh it exists in legal world too? | Jul 06 14:32 |
| kingoffrance | interesting | Jul 06 14:32 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_meaning_rule | Jul 06 14:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Plain meaning rule - Wikipedia | Jul 06 14:33 | |
| kingoffrance | ah | Jul 06 14:33 |
| oiaohm | We are talking a Uk 1844 ruling here. | Jul 06 14:34 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 14:34 |
| *kingoffrance <-- see nick | Jul 06 14:34 | |
| kingoffrance | like thats gonna stop me | Jul 06 14:34 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19050111 | Jul 06 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (3625818) | Jul 06 14:35 | |
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| schestowitz | https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2020/07/06/results-from-the-survey-about-libreoffices-web-presence/ | Jul 06 14:36 |
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| oiaohm | kingoffrance: yep the year of The Three Musketeers by Alexandre Dumas in France I thought you would get kick out of it. | Jul 06 14:37 |
| oiaohm | being before 1901 Australian federation that ruling can be brought into Australian courts. | Jul 06 14:38 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/FZaxEtW | Jul 06 14:39 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Immediately believeable | Jul 06 14:40 |
| oiaohm | https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12042417/tiktok-bans-around-world-china-spying/ there is a lot of pop/kettle here. China stuff doing the wrong thing is getting targeted at the moment but a lot of USA based stuff that is just as bad is not being chanced down. | Jul 06 14:46 |
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| MinceR | instead of "equivalent malware" or "the malware of my masters", i'd rather have no malware (and no masters) | Jul 06 14:49 |
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| kingoffrance | thats another thing i think we wont see science in tech: if we cant agree whether plaintext exists or not | Jul 06 15:07 |
| kingoffrance | it did, now it doesnt | Jul 06 15:07 |
| kingoffrance | you cant do science IMO with ever-shifting definitions | Jul 06 15:07 |
| kingoffrance | its still a mime type or whatever | Jul 06 15:08 |
| kingoffrance | theres remnants | Jul 06 15:08 |
| kingoffrance | of when it was allowed | Jul 06 15:08 |
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| kingoffrance | people say similar things about transpilers -- isnt that just a compiler? | Jul 06 16:01 |
| kingoffrance | but it translates/transforms -- isnt that what a compiler does? | Jul 06 16:01 |
| kingoffrance | why invent a new word | Jul 06 16:01 |
| kingoffrance | re: serialization versus compilation | Jul 06 16:02 |
| kingoffrance | with transpilers some ppl are equating them too, not just me | Jul 06 16:03 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: transpiler is short for transcompiler | Jul 06 16:05 |
| kingoffrance | <futurama fry cant tell if joking> | Jul 06 16:06 |
| XRevan86 | And simply because Nim and Vala are not like Zig and Rust. | Jul 06 16:06 |
| kingoffrance | ok | Jul 06 16:06 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 06 16:06 |
| kingoffrance | its not something i really take too seriously | Jul 06 16:10 |
| kingoffrance | but xth generation language | Jul 06 16:10 |
| kingoffrance | they were doign alchemy there | Jul 06 16:10 |
| kingoffrance | stages of purity or evolution or what have you | Jul 06 16:11 |
| XRevan86 | Because stuff like Vala is super-popular? | Jul 06 16:11 |
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| kingoffrance | sic transit gloria mundi | Jul 06 16:12 |
| *kingoffrance <-- see nick | Jul 06 16:12 | |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: I think the common wisdom is that instead of trying to generate broken C it's better to utilise LLVM. | Jul 06 16:12 |
| XRevan86 | Will be easier in the end. | Jul 06 16:12 |
| kingoffrance | i think thats basic common sense | Jul 06 16:12 |
| kingoffrance | unless you purposely want to be tied to the past | Jul 06 16:12 |
| kingoffrance | i wouldnt even call that wisdom | Jul 06 16:13 |
| kingoffrance | that should be the normal case | Jul 06 16:13 |
| kingoffrance | for anythign "new" | Jul 06 16:13 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Why do you call transpiled mess xth generation? | Jul 06 16:13 |
| kingoffrance | oh i wasnt equating those sorry | Jul 06 16:13 |
| kingoffrance | i was just saying there is some vague "stages of things" | Jul 06 16:14 |
| kingoffrance | or "ages" or whatever | Jul 06 16:14 |
| kingoffrance | i think now it is mroe common, and better IMO, just to compare across features/traits | Jul 06 16:15 |
| kingoffrance | than try to shove in some arbitrary "xth age lang" | Jul 06 16:15 |
| kingoffrance | unless you base your "ages" on those things | Jul 06 16:16 |
| kingoffrance | then that woudl work too | Jul 06 16:16 |
| kingoffrance | now, if you say feature x requires feature y and somehow divvy things like that | Jul 06 16:18 |
| kingoffrance | then i would say "iterations" makes sense | Jul 06 16:19 |
| kingoffrance | like prerequisites | Jul 06 16:19 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-to-source_compiler Transcomplier/transpilers is a short hand for writing "source to source complier" | Jul 06 16:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Source-to-source compiler - Wikipedia | Jul 06 16:19 | |
| kingoffrance | yeah but binary is just source for cpu | Jul 06 16:20 |
| kingoffrance | source for who ? :) cui bono | Jul 06 16:20 |
| kingoffrance | who or what | Jul 06 16:20 |
| kingoffrance | its cool | Jul 06 16:21 |
| oiaohm | source to be source for a human has to be able to contain comments and other human useful things that cpu does not need to know about. | Jul 06 16:21 |
| kingoffrance | i just have a code is data depending on context and vice versa | Jul 06 16:21 |
| kingoffrance | s/have a/have a opinion/ | Jul 06 16:21 |
| kingoffrance | clearly you dont hang around #osdev :) | Jul 06 16:21 |
| oiaohm | Reason why assembler code is classed as source yet machine code is not in a lot of circles. | Jul 06 16:22 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Is that a Scala fanbase? | Jul 06 16:22 |
| kingoffrance | i meant re: the comment thing | Jul 06 16:22 |
| oiaohm | Hmm osdev channel is still going./ | Jul 06 16:22 |
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| kingoffrance | it gets blurry of course too cuz you can emulate software via hardware or vice versa | Jul 06 16:26 |
| kingoffrance | maybe not emulate ...simulate functionality | Jul 06 16:26 |
| kingoffrance | thats all alchemy is: you just make a little mini replica of something else | Jul 06 16:28 |
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| kingoffrance | its tricky though too | Jul 06 16:34 |
| kingoffrance | cuz hardware is evolving | Jul 06 16:34 |
| kingoffrance | instruction sets | Jul 06 16:34 |
| kingoffrance | so "xth generation lang" well .... the hardwaer is a moving target | Jul 06 16:34 |
| kingoffrance | no lang exists in a vacuum IMO | Jul 06 16:35 |
| kingoffrance | they are giong to be designed certain ways to take advantage of hardware featues, and hardware will be designed to run certain languages better, feedback loop | Jul 06 16:35 |
| kingoffrance | so i guess i would say xth generation lang makes little sense unless we are coordinating with xth generation hardware too | Jul 06 16:35 |
| kingoffrance | i mean, it may not matter in many cases | Jul 06 16:36 |
| kingoffrance | but some langs are the way tehy are, because they were on x machine | Jul 06 16:36 |
| kingoffrance | at least originally | Jul 06 16:36 |
| kingoffrance | of course, many woudl disagree | Jul 06 16:36 |
| kingoffrance | e.g. if languages are data structures | Jul 06 16:36 |
| kingoffrance | feature-wise it may not matter ...implementation-wise i would say it does | Jul 06 16:38 |
| kingoffrance | feature complete wise i mean | Jul 06 16:38 |
| kingoffrance | i mean, some lang might not have something, because they just didnt see an easy fast way to support it | Jul 06 16:39 |
| kingoffrance | implementation-wise | Jul 06 16:39 |
| kingoffrance | os/surrounding software env. too of course, not just hw | Jul 06 16:40 |
| kingoffrance | im very "agile" on these things, because what peopel will do depends on what you make convenient many times IMO | Jul 06 16:41 |
| kingoffrance | and, if you are saying "does lang have feature x?" -- well maybe they didnt see a good way to do it, but it has a slow software emulation or something | Jul 06 16:45 |
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| kingoffrance | i guess the point of that pontificating was, a "pure" feature would mesh well with hardware | Jul 06 17:14 |
| kingoffrance | so just featurelist is inadequate IMO | Jul 06 17:15 |
| kingoffrance | s/hardware/hw,sw,os,culture,.../ | Jul 06 17:23 |
| kingoffrance | instead of pure maybe potency is a better word, or quality | Jul 06 17:26 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Seems that nobody ever fixed the Konqueror ad blocker to make it work with WebEngine. | Jul 06 18:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Editing coredump.conf.d is apparently the right thing to get rid of systemd storing coredumps permanently in the logs. It says if you delete the file later systemd will regenerate it. There's a lot of things here where I'm wondering who thought it was a good idea.I sympathize with Debian for not bringing in the log. Applications do all kinds of horrible things and crash all the time. Who really wants systemd shitting | Jul 06 19:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | this out into their logs? | Jul 06 19:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Besides, without ABRT there's not much that people will be doing with those coredumps anyway. With ABRT, it usually just pops up and says something happened something happened. (like Windows 10!). | Jul 06 19:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know you done messed up when someone makes a new operating system to get rid of your bug reporting system. | Jul 06 19:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ---- | Jul 06 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The USCIS people only give you one shot to make your appointment or else your application is considered abandoned. | Jul 06 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure that will work out well for the agency when people sick with the Coronavirus take some Robitussin and get in there and that's why everyone in the office gets sick. | Jul 06 19:22 |
| MinceR | no, the right thing is to replace systemd with a real OS | Jul 06 19:23 |
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| MinceR | > Who really wants systemd shitting this out into their logs? | Jul 06 19:24 |
| MinceR | those who want to use systemd | Jul 06 19:24 |
| MinceR | filling your disk up with coredumps shat into a corruption-prone proprietary binary blob is the "modern" thing to do, so said poettering | Jul 06 19:24 |
| psydread | systemd <3 u | Jul 06 19:28 |
| MinceR | yeah, like microsloth | Jul 06 19:28 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I'm back on Fedora KDE after almost a decade because GNOME was just running worse and worse on my laptop and nobody seemed to care. So I'm sanding down some rough edges after a nuke an re-install. | Jul 06 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just awful. Does anyone who works on GNOME actually use GNOME? | Jul 06 19:37 |
| MinceR | no, they use Backdoors or macOS | Jul 06 19:37 |
| MinceR | or both | Jul 06 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't imagine having the clock program waking up and pegging an entire CPU core every few hours is an "only me" thing, but I digress. | Jul 06 19:39 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/668556.jpg | Jul 06 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Laptop starts lagging and thrashing. "I'm just the Clocks app! THRASH THRASH!!! REMINDING YOU! THRASH THRASH THRASH! IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN! THRASH!". | Jul 06 19:39 |
| MinceR | it's kind of like libvirtd wasting a significant amount of CPU time despite not doing anything | Jul 06 19:39 |
| MinceR | lagging and thrashing is what Backdoors does, therefore it's "modern" | Jul 06 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm like "It's a CLOCK.....What the hell could it possibly even be doing?" | Jul 06 19:42 |
| psydread | I only used GNOME when KDE was going through the motions with the transition from 3.5 to 4.x and it was unstable and unusable for a few years | Jul 06 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the KDE 4 series was garbage until like 4.4 or so. I can't recall everything wrong with it now, but the 4.0 release was supposedly "stable" and then when you actually installed it they said "Well, the 4.0 thing was really just telling early adopters it was ready for _testing_!". | Jul 06 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | rolls eyes | Jul 06 19:55 |
| MinceR | s/ a few years/ever/ | Jul 06 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most distributions either stayed with 3.5 for another release (or two). | Jul 06 19:56 |
| MinceR | FTFY | Jul 06 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Kubuntu had one spin with 3.5 and one with 4.0 and aid "This isn't an LTS!". | Jul 06 19:56 |
| MinceR | well, they claimed 4.3 was "really stable now, for reals" and it was still a piece of shit | Jul 06 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *said | Jul 06 19:56 |
| MinceR | plasma regularly forgot its settings, for example | Jul 06 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And there was the whole "You can use Phonon with GStreamer, but if you do it will crash the app that's using it half the time!". | Jul 06 19:57 |
| MinceR | and then they announced they're kneeling before gnome | Jul 06 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I grabbed the Phonon backend for VLC and has phonon talk to VLC so my apps wouldn't crash | Jul 06 19:57 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/iBKebAsUxPfIHgtxTFrTHStV > | Jul 06 19:59 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, "hacker". | Jul 06 19:59 |
| MinceR | lol jwz | Jul 06 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Foiled by a DVD with CSS because Apple declares a static file system root and other crap. | Jul 06 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, other people are ripping Blu Rays and ripping Amazon and Netflix so I don't have to pay or enable Widevine..... | Jul 06 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's stumped by technology frozen in place since 1996. | Jul 06 20:01 |
| MinceR | i wonder if they surgically removed most of his brain or what | Jul 06 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seriously, the Content Scramble System is a complete pushover. DVD is the easiest thing to unlock and rip. | Jul 06 20:02 |
| MinceR | on a general purpose computer, though | Jul 06 20:02 |
| MinceR | s/though/that is/ | Jul 06 20:02 |
| MinceR | which jwz's bitty box most likely isn't :> | Jul 06 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know how he's managed not to figure this out. Handbrake works fine on Linux. I was also ripping DVDs with it on Windows 7. | Jul 06 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which apparently works better than the latest Mac. | Jul 06 20:03 |
| MinceR | he's too hip to run a real OS, or even Backdoors | Jul 06 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This RPM-OSTree thing is another "Oh we saw Apple doing it." pile of shit. | Jul 06 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which doesn't solve a real problem, and creates problems. Onward! | Jul 06 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Your Linux is being secured!" Me: From what? I've never had a virus..... "Your Linux is being 'secured'." (from you) | Jul 06 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To go along with Secure Boot and Kernel Lockdown. | Jul 06 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora says that it may not be the main version and that non-OSTree spins will be available as long as people are interested in them.I don't think that we'll have a choice for long, actually. | Jul 06 20:07 |
| MinceR | maybe this is the big plan with Restricted Boot | Jul 06 20:08 |
| MinceR | they don't want to lock out all Linux-based systems, just the ones that can be used for something | Jul 06 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, a read-only / that you can't touch. | Jul 06 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How nice, right? | Jul 06 20:08 |
| MinceR | though they'll probably need to fork the kernel for that | Jul 06 20:08 |
| MinceR | ensure that the same kernel image can't actually be used as the basis of systemd and of a free unix | Jul 06 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They keep making more of your system off limits to you, even if you are root. | Jul 06 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I really doubt that Secure Boot, which is where this enforcement chain begins, would really stop a nation state attacker. You can't actually remove Microsoft's signing keys, which is where this "chain of trust" in Linux begins with Secure Boot turned on, and the US government already has their full cooperation in exchange for never investigating them. So, yeah. | Jul 06 20:12 |
| MinceR | it obviously won't | Jul 06 20:13 |
| MinceR | it mostly just locks lusers into Backdoors or macOS, both of which are full of vulnerabilities and backdoors | Jul 06 20:13 |
| MinceR | they advertise it as being the silver bullet against Evil Maid attacks, but it can't actually stop those either | Jul 06 20:14 |
| MinceR | because nothing can, if the attacker has physical access | Jul 06 20:14 |
| psydread | I've disabled Secure Boot on each of the laptops I have and I'm not planning to add any more unless there is really no other option | Jul 06 20:15 |
| psydread | and yes, Restricted Boot is a much better name for this misfeature | Jul 06 20:16 |
| psydread | a.k.a. bug | Jul 06 20:16 |
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| cybrNaut | https://www.zdnet.com/article/yahoo-engineer-gets-no-jail-time-after-hacking-6000-accounts-to-look-for-porn/ | Jul 06 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Yahoo engineer gets no jail time after hacking 6,000 accounts to look for porn | ZDNet | Jul 06 20:36 | |
| cybrNaut | (that's a DDG partner) | Jul 06 20:36 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/679190.jpg | Jul 06 20:41 |
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| superkuh | That's can't be true. | Jul 06 21:36 |
| superkuh | re: hungover | Jul 06 21:36 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | DuckDuckPORN | Jul 06 21:56 |
| psydread | so even in "Computer Organization and Design" the mischaracterise RMS's movement as "open source" (rather than free software) with the mission to create a "public domain version of UNIX" (rather than a copyleft version of a UNIX-compatible operating system) | Jul 06 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I used jpegoptim on all the stuff I sent to my bankruptcy lawyer. She was kind of stunned that I was able to send all of that to her in so few messages. | Jul 06 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Guessing most people just keep the files their phone shits out without seeing if, oh, the size might be 30-50% too big. | Jul 06 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Reddit does a pretty good job optimizing their jpegs. I'm guessing that, at scale, their bandwidth costs can be significantly reduced if they make another pass over them when people upload. | Jul 06 22:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They seem to want to make it a process to actually get at the JPEG file to download it though. | Jul 06 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A woman in Arizona went nuts and destroyed a face mask display at a Target store.When the police arrested her, she claimed that she "Talks to Donald Trump all the time." and that he ordered her to do it. | Jul 06 22:10 |
| CrystalMath | kinda like talking to god :P | Jul 06 22:10 |
| cybrNaut | prospective next POTUS hanging out with white power ppl: http://hateracistmonitoringgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/kanye-672x372.jpg | Jul 06 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: There was a car engine on fire in the Walmart parking lot yesterday. | Jul 06 22:13 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <cybrNaut "https://www.zdnet.com/article/ya"> He admitted to Destruction of Evidence (another felony) instead of shutting the hell up. | Jul 06 23:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.zdnet.com/article/ya/ ) | Jul 06 23:07 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've seen people get their house raided and the only evidence the cops find is a flash drive with old fragments of deleted CP. | Jul 06 23:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They should shut up, get a lawyer, and invoke the "Gee, I found a flash drive on the bus and started using it. I didn't know those files had ever been there!". | Jul 06 23:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's called reasonable doubt. | Jul 06 23:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Flash drives are small. People lose stuff on the bus or sidewalk or a park bench all the time. | Jul 06 23:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe the guy grabbed it and said "Woohoo! Free flash drive!". | Jul 06 23:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He doesn't need to prove that happened. Only that it could have reasonably happened that way. | Jul 06 23:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That makes it impossible to get a conviction. | Jul 06 23:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, criminals are stupid. | Jul 06 23:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The ones who are really stupid are the ones who get caught soon (or ever, for that matter). | Jul 06 23:11 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139579 [https://pleroma.site/objects/73d29220-fc9d-47af-b625-260708b39cd8] | Jul 06 23:16 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Use Samsung DeX with a Chromebook or Linux PC (unofficially) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139559#comment-25696 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a848c827-e150-4119-9cd3-de4917f8f41b] | Jul 06 23:24 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: 43k | Jul 06 23:40 |
| schestowitz | these are sunday numbers basically | Jul 06 23:41 |
| schestowitz | so expect 50k tomorrow, maybe 47k today | Jul 06 23:41 |
| schestowitz | it's not slowing down at all | Jul 06 23:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: by contract | Jul 06 23:41 |
| schestowitz | uk was +352 new cases | Jul 06 23:41 |
| schestowitz | and 16 reported deaths | Jul 06 23:41 |
| schestowitz | you can keep track of a few hundreds | Jul 06 23:42 |
| schestowitz | the spa will reopen soon | Jul 06 23:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: how's the article coming along? | Jul 06 23:59 |
| schestowitz | in 2 weeks we may get more material on this | Jul 06 23:59 |
| *schestowitz prepares the latest irc logs, it's midnight now... | Jul 06 23:59 | |
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