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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos []Sep 06 00:05
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Lenna’s Inception, The Jackbox Party Pack 7, Artifact and More []Sep 06 00:12
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Events: Akademy and GNU Radio Conference []Sep 06 00:24
MinceR 06 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Don Martin: One Day in the Park | Mad MagazineSep 06 00:34
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schestowitz__FSF person:Sep 06 02:25
schestowitz__> I wonder if there's anything you guys know about that I should focus my attention on and dig further.Sep 06 02:25
schestowitz__> I can't promise I'd be able to share any findings back with you, I'm afraid, but I can promise to pursue, and to try to convince RMS.Sep 06 02:25
schestowitz__I don't think you can convince him. We could say that's his own fault, but that's not my goal. It's just as fair to say that the forces against him (including manipulation) are more than even an above average individual can thwart.Sep 06 02:25
schestowitz__Although I think it's important to urge RMS to use his older years to speak, not to wait for the "right time", I appreciate the strategic bind he's in.Sep 06 02:25
schestowitz__(no names added)Sep 06 02:25
schestowitz__"Sep 06 02:28
schestowitz__> So, feel free to share this message with himSep 06 02:28
schestowitz__I'll share my reply, minus the parts...Sep 06 02:29
schestowitz__If you look at the broader pattern, you will note that what's more "local" fits the pattern of whats more universal.Sep 06 02:29
schestowitz__Someone attacking this methodology could say "That's a very speculative way of--"Sep 06 02:29
schestowitz__Sure. But their mistake is assuming that its the only measure/metric applied to all this. It's simply one more among a collection of ways to sniff for something rotten. It's an excellent way to start, call it the IDS model (intrusion detection) of corruption detection.Sep 06 02:29
schestowitz__I dont think he needs to or ought to go down with that ship. It behooves him to know how much of it is still above water. The best decisions he can make (even if he wont) would depend on that awareness. Genius or no, I believe he's in denial. In fairness, that isn't necessarily like him. Ever the pessimist, except now?Sep 06 02:29
schestowitz__But people forget that geniuses are still human, with human foibles (a lot of people create a pedestal of either/or-- where geniuses can't be wrong and if they're wrong about something, they're obviously not a genius anymore) and even a pessimist can be in denial about something big enough.Sep 06 02:29
schestowitz__It's not the same as being a realist; At best, it has a lot of overlap. He has actually denied being a realist-- he says he doesn't accept the world. That's the creed of the idealist.Sep 06 02:29
schestowitz__I'm an idealist too. And a pessimist. And I try to put a realist hat on when it matters, though as with RMS it's not a perfect fit.Sep 06 02:29
schestowitz__The truth is that every individual on earth is a subjective lens through which a (theoretically) objective reality travels. We surmise an objective reality, but we cannot ever flawlessly perceive one. Reality is infinite, human understanding is finite; Everything is subjective to us. We can use agreement and argument to try to get closer to reality, assuming it exists-- but it is like Zeno's arrow; it will never touch its impossible Sep 06 02:29
schestowitz__target. Sometimes, we manage despite this. More often, we forget that everybody has this limitation.Sep 06 02:29
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DaemonFC[m]I was looking in the comments section on Zerohedge. There are still AIDS deniers apparently. Sep 06 03:42
DaemonFC[m]Most of them are people with AIDS who don't want to admit it.Sep 06 03:42
DaemonFC[m]Then they die, of AIDS, but not before suing a lot of people.Sep 06 03:43
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schestowitz__I need help with somethingSep 06 04:37
schestowitz__Pineapple Fund identity Sep 06 04:37
schestowitz__does anyone know how to find out more info?Sep 06 04:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pinta Image Editor Sees First Update in 5 Years (Now with Snap) - OMG! Ubuntu!Sep 06 05:03
schestowitz__monoSep 06 05:03
schestowitz__I saw thatSep 06 05:03
schestowitz__it's oldSep 06 05:03
schestowitz__and it's sh*tSep 06 05:03
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schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: want to read something interesting?Sep 06 05:05
schestowitz__I have it fully drafted nowSep 06 05:05
DaemonFC[m]sureSep 06 05:05
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schestowitz__quick..Sep 06 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Big Money Can Do Big Damage to Membership-Dependent Organisations (Which Should Remain Accountable to Members, Not Big Sponsors) | TechrightsSep 06 05:08
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DaemonFC[m]Looks okay.Sep 06 05:13
DaemonFC[m]Tired eyes though.Sep 06 05:13
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schestowitz__thanks for checkingSep 06 05:16
schestowitz__I see media is all about "losers" and "soldiers" nowSep 06 05:16
schestowitz__like the media ever cared about themSep 06 05:16
schestowitz__the media plays up forever wars agendaSep 06 05:16
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DaemonFC[m] 06 05:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | At Least 4 Boats Sink During ‘Trump Boat Parade’ in Texas, Officials Say - The New York TimesSep 06 05:21
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: 06 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] Teaching Kids That Coding Means ‘Put Something on GitHub’ is (Mis)Using Schools to Sell ‘Clients’ to Microsoft (Vendor Lock-in, Monopoly and Indoctrination) | TechrightsSep 06 05:29
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights []Sep 06 05:38
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psydreaddoes that mean Github isn't even a strategy for current times but an "investment" to get a new generation of kids addicted to Azure and "open source" for Windows and WSL?Sep 06 07:57
psydreadI wonder how this is going to play out with Chromebooks becoming more popularSep 06 07:57
DaemonFC[m] 06 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 40 Crew And 6,000 Cows Feared Drowned As Yet Another Panama-Flagged Ship Breaks ApartSep 06 08:24
schestowitz__not the first timeSep 06 08:30
schestowitz__it keeps happening Sep 06 08:30
schestowitz__cheaper costSep 06 08:30
schestowitz__demand for "meat"Sep 06 08:30
schestowitz__ 06 08:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NBA All-Star David West on the walkout and standing up to racism, exploitation | The GrayzoneSep 06 08:51
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable Kernels: 5.8.7 and 5.4.63 []Sep 06 09:04
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Jargon Buster: What is a Linux Distribution? Why is it Called a ‘Distribution’? []Sep 06 09:05
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Android Leftovers []Sep 06 09:06
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The September 2020 Issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine []Sep 06 09:08
Ariadneshifted to the new DCSep 06 09:13
Ariadnenow to shift vieraSep 06 09:13
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schestowitz__Ariadne: ping pong :-)Sep 06 09:50
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AriadnethereSep 06 09:54
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Ariadnei upgraded to python3.8Sep 06 09:55
schestowitz__Sep 06 10:24
schestowitz__Debian: DebConf 2020 and Latest Development ReportsSep 06 10:24
schestowitz__ 06 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian: DebConf 2020 and Latest Development Reports | Tux MachinesSep 06 10:24
schestowitz__Sep 06 10:24
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scientesoh wowSep 06 10:33
scientesthe plot of Doll's House is greatSep 06 10:33
scientesI wish I still had contact with that Norwegian that I met in Costa RicaSep 06 10:34
scientesthis video makes Norway look good and Sweden look badSep 06 10:38
scientesas this Swedish playwrite is psycoticSep 06 10:39
scientesI've got to work off this Pepsi-bellySep 06 10:49
scienteshmm, can't find any productions of Ivan Turgenev's A Month In The CountrySep 06 10:53
scientesoiaohm, I think you will like this 06 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Horrors of the Grand Guignol: Crash Course Theater #35 - YouTubeSep 06 11:24
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schestowitz__Ariadne: was that version of python compatible with viera?Sep 06 13:14
schestowitz__I have not checked whether my own IRC tools (for logs), which are python based, work with python3 ok. python2 is fine.Sep 06 13:15
*Narrator will migrate some stuff to p3 probably 3.8+ this yearSep 06 13:21
Narratormost of my tool have p2/p3 compatibility Sep 06 13:22
schestowitz__Sep 06 13:45
schestowitz__Fedora, Red Hat and SUSESep 06 13:45
schestowitz__ 06 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fedora, Red Hat and SUSE | Tux MachinesSep 06 13:45
schestowitz__Sep 06 13:45
schestowitz__Making Everything Linux-CapableSep 06 13:45
schestowitz__ 06 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Making Everything Linux-Capable | Tux MachinesSep 06 13:45
schestowitz__Sep 06 13:45
schestowitz__Programming: OpenSCAD, Fuzzing in Go, CSS Shapes, Perl 06 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Programming: OpenSCAD, Fuzzing in Go, CSS Shapes, Perl | Tux MachinesSep 06 13:45
schestowitz__Sep 06 13:45
schestowitz__LibreOffice â Designed by CommitteeSep 06 13:45
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schestowitz__Sep 06 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LibreOffice – Designed by Committee | Tux MachinesSep 06 13:45
schestowitz__Python Programming 06 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Python Programming | Tux MachinesSep 06 13:45
schestowitz__Sep 06 13:45
schestowitz__CAELinux 2020: Linux for engineeringSep 06 13:46
schestowitz__ 06 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CAELinux 2020: Linux for engineering | Tux MachinesSep 06 13:46
schestowitz__Sep 06 13:46
schestowitz__today's howtosSep 06 13:46
schestowitz__ 06 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesSep 06 13:46
schestowitz__Sep 06 13:46
schestowitz__Audiocasts/Shows: GNU/Linux Shows and Python ShowsSep 06 13:46
schestowitz__ 06 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Audiocasts/Shows: GNU/Linux Shows and Python Shows | Tux MachinesSep 06 13:46
schestowitz__Sep 06 13:46
schestowitz__10 Open-source Open source Identity and Access Management IAM Systems for the EnterpriseSep 06 13:46
schestowitz__ 06 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 10 Open-source Open source Identity and Access Management IAM Systems for the Enterprise | Tux MachinesSep 06 13:46
schestowitz__Sep 06 13:46
schestowitz__PCLinuxOS: Interview, Screenshot Showcase and New PackagesSep 06 13:46
schestowitz__ 06 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PCLinuxOS: Interview, Screenshot Showcase and New Packages | Tux MachinesSep 06 13:46
schestowitz__Sep 06 13:46
schestowitz__VirtualBox gains support for Linux kernel 5.8 06 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | VirtualBox 6.1.14 Released | Tux MachinesSep 06 13:46
schestowitz__Sep 06 13:46
MinceR(cat) 06 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4299066)Sep 06 14:29
MinceR 06 14:39
*Narrator use KVM, it works like a charm:)Sep 06 14:53
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schestowitz__Sep 06 15:35
schestowitz__today's leftoversSep 06 15:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 06 15:35
schestowitz__Sep 06 15:35
schestowitz__Linux/Kernel LeftoversSep 06 15:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux/Kernel Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 06 15:35
schestowitz__Sep 06 15:35
schestowitz__Devices: ESP32, ODYSSEY, 96Boards, Raspberry PiSep 06 15:35
schestowitz__ 06 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Devices: ESP32, ODYSSEY, 96Boards, Raspberry Pi | Tux MachinesSep 06 15:35
schestowitz__Sep 06 15:35
schestowitz__Mozilla's Rust and Encryption (for Passwords) PrimerSep 06 15:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mozilla's Rust and Encryption (for Passwords) Primer | Tux MachinesSep 06 15:35
schestowitz__Sep 06 15:35
schestowitz__Proprietary Software and MonopoliesSep 06 15:35
schestowitz__ 06 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Proprietary Software and Monopolies | Tux MachinesSep 06 15:35
schestowitz__Sep 06 15:35
schestowitz__C++20 Draft Approved As Major Update To C++ Programming LanguageSep 06 15:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | C++20 Draft Approved As Major Update To C++ Programming Language | Tux MachinesSep 06 15:35
schestowitz__Sep 06 15:35
schestowitz__Ben Armstrong: Dronefly relicensed under copyleft licensesSep 06 15:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ben Armstrong: Dronefly relicensed under copyleft licenses | Tux MachinesSep 06 15:35
schestowitz__Sep 06 15:35
schestowitz__GNUnet 0.13.3 releasedSep 06 15:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNUnet 0.13.3 released | Tux MachinesSep 06 15:35
schestowitz__Sep 06 15:35
schestowitz__A Free Software OS For The ReMarkable E-Paper TabletSep 06 15:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A Free Software OS For The ReMarkable E-Paper Tablet | Tux MachinesSep 06 15:35
schestowitz__Sep 06 15:35
schestowitz__Fedora, Red Hat and SUSESep 06 15:35
schestowitz__ 06 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fedora, Red Hat and SUSE | Tux MachinesSep 06 15:36
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scientesif this is English, then Portugales is the same language as Spanish 06 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Irish Farmers Lose Their Sheep, Mad Accent - YouTubeSep 06 17:37
scientesthe georgians really are proud of not being russianSep 06 17:39
scientesI need to learn more KartveliSep 06 17:39
XRevan86scientes: Nichoho ne zrozumiw, ale duzhe interesno.Sep 06 17:41
scientesesperanto?Sep 06 17:41
XRevan86scientes: Ukrainian %)Sep 06 17:41
scientesthere was a guy here a few days ago that could speak like 10 languages really wellSep 06 17:41
XRevan86> are proud of not being russianSep 06 17:47
XRevan86That seems to be a running trend.Sep 06 17:47
scientesfuck, my 4K video decode acceleration isn't workingSep 06 17:51
scientesI didn't download 50 GB for nothingSep 06 17:51
scientesoh look at that, works in mpvSep 06 18:01
scienteswhich I have never used beforeSep 06 18:01
scientesyuckSep 06 18:05
scientesvlc isn't very smart at playing audio from one video, and video from anotherSep 06 18:05
scientesi guess i'll have to extract the audio trackSep 06 18:06
scientes 06 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | VLC HowTo/Extract audio - VideoLAN WikiSep 06 18:10
scientesugggh, this is annoying complicatedSep 06 18:10
scientesbecause you still have to specify the format to extract without convertingSep 06 18:10
psydroidlol at that video about the Irish shepherdSep 06 18:13
psydroidone of my colleagues spoke like thatSep 06 18:13
psydroidI had to decipher what he was saying and I never got beyond 50% on a good daySep 06 18:13
*psydroid vivchaye ta rozmovlyaye troshku ukrayinskoyu movuSep 06 18:17
scientespsydroid, but it still is clearly EnglishSep 06 18:17
scienteswhich is my whole pointSep 06 18:18
XRevan86psydroid: ukrayiñskoy movy, you meanSep 06 18:19
psydroidXRevan86: probably, yesSep 06 18:19
psydroidit's been a few years since I learned itSep 06 18:19
XRevan86psydroid: Same as in Russian: nemnogo/trokhi chego? movySep 06 18:22
psydroidXRevan86: oh, that's what you meanSep 06 18:23
psydroidyesSep 06 18:23
psydroidin Polish it wouldn't make a difference for the reason that uczyć się always takes the genitiveSep 06 18:25
XRevan86wchitysya chomu? moviSep 06 18:27
psydroidah, so it's the same in UkrainianSep 06 18:30
psydroidand Russian?Sep 06 18:30
XRevan86psydroid: Yes, except yat' moved to "ye" rather than "i" (like in Polish, I guess)Sep 06 18:30
XRevan86I wanted to type it out, but it's "movie"Sep 06 18:31
XRevan86(the conventional word is "yazyk", so rather "yaziku")Sep 06 18:31
XRevan86* "yazyku"Sep 06 18:31
psydroidsomehow with this Bluetooth keyboard special characters don't work, but they work with my laptop's built-in keyboardSep 06 18:33
psydreadI can say different bits and pieces in different Slavic languages, but never the whole thingSep 06 19:19
psydreadI'll get there some daySep 06 19:19
DaemonFC[m] 06 19:24
DaemonFC[m]The amazing Tesla self drive. MinceR ^Sep 06 19:25
DaemonFC[m]William Wallace, manager of safety policy for Consumer Reports, concluded: "Tesla has repeatedly rolled out crude beta features, some of which can put people’s safety at risk and shouldn’t be used anywhere but on a private test track or proving ground."Sep 06 19:26
MinceRit's not really self-driving and tesla probably tells you not to use it that waySep 06 19:26
DaemonFC[m]They say pay attention to the road and keep a hand on the wheel.Sep 06 19:26
DaemonFC[m]Guy was watching Neetflix.Sep 06 19:26
DaemonFC[m]*NetflixSep 06 19:26
MinceRand then some idiot realizes that if they wedge an orange in the steering wheel, the car will believe they have their hand on the wheelSep 06 19:26
DaemonFC[m]Oh well, might as well call it NEETflix.Sep 06 19:26
DaemonFC[m]That's who uses it.Sep 06 19:27
MinceRneelixSep 06 19:27
DaemonFC[m]Ugh.Sep 06 19:27
DaemonFC[m]The Ewok of Star Trek: VoyagerSep 06 19:28
MinceR:>Sep 06 19:28
DaemonFC[m]Return of the Jedi was pretty bad.Sep 06 19:28
DaemonFC[m]Except when you consider the Implied Holocaust.Sep 06 19:29
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: That's why the last movie makes no sense.Sep 06 19:29
DaemonFC[m]There's gigantic intact pieces of the Death Star all over the Forest Moon of Endor, including the Emporer's throne room, damaged but recognizable.Sep 06 19:30
DaemonFC[m]Plus, plenty of life still there.Sep 06 19:30
DaemonFC[m]Presumably not all of it splashed down into the ocean and it was the size of a small moon. Sep 06 19:31
schestowitz__Ariadne: eta for viera?Sep 06 19:50
Ariadnewhenever gets the dns changeSep 06 19:50
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schestowitz__[17:37] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- Irish Farmers Lose Their Sheep, Mad Accent - YouTubeSep 06 20:10
schestowitz__schestowitz__: yeah, that's some really tough oneSep 06 20:10
schestowitz__I can pick a few words off that, but not manySep 06 20:10
schestowitz__Welsh is also funny, or some who speak English in a way that makes it sound all WelshSep 06 20:11
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR ":>"> At least Voyager admitted they fucked up the antagonists in the first couple of seasons.Sep 06 20:11
schestowitz__but you can still pick the words up more easilySep 06 20:11
DaemonFC[m]7 of 9 said that the Borg decided not to assimilate the Kazon because they were unworthy.Sep 06 20:11
schestowitz__ 06 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two cases of human plague in Colorado this summer after nearly five years of no cases | Dg-print | gazette.comSep 06 20:13
DaemonFC[m]They also wrapped up the series too quickly. They used an alternate future where Janeway got the ship home but with staggering losses, and decided to set aside the temporal prime directive to take anti-Borg technology into the past to give to Voyager.Sep 06 20:14
DaemonFC[m]Unlikely. It changes the timeline too much. Out of character for Janeway. The Borg get to analyze the technology years before it should even exist, for starters.Sep 06 20:15
DaemonFC[m]Star Trek is inconsistent with the Borg though.Sep 06 20:16
MinceR"human plague" -- is that what Earth is suffering from? :>Sep 06 20:17
DaemonFC[m]In one episode, Q warns his son not to provoke the Borg, but in another episode, the Borg figure out how to invade another universe with "fluid space", but end up getting their asses kicked by something living there that's not a match for the Q.Sep 06 20:17
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of strange that the Q fear the Borg when it's unclear how the Borg could pose a threat to them.Sep 06 20:18
DaemonFC[m]It appears that the only thing limiting the Q's influence on the universe as we know it are the rules they've placed on themselves. Sep 06 20:19
DaemonFC[m]Data notes that Q regards Picard as something of a "beloved pet".Sep 06 20:20
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: This new series, Picard, just kind of lost me.Sep 06 20:22
DaemonFC[m]I've been wondering if it's worth going back and finishing.Sep 06 20:22
schestowitz__Sep 06 20:23
schestowitz__today's howtosSep 06 20:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesSep 06 20:23
schestowitz__Sep 06 20:23
schestowitz__Software: HomeBank Release, Browsh in Sparky, Upcoming Kate and Chrome/ChromiumSep 06 20:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Software: HomeBank Release, Browsh in Sparky, Upcoming Kate and Chrome/Chromium | Tux MachinesSep 06 20:23
schestowitz__Sep 06 20:23
schestowitz__#Android Leftovers 06 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 06 20:23
schestowitz__Sep 06 20:23
schestowitz__Linux Weekly Roundup - LibreOffice 7.1, Linux Laptops, Blender 06 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Weekly Roundup - LibreOffice 7.1, Linux Laptops, Blender | Tux MachinesSep 06 20:23
schestowitz__Sep 06 20:23
schestowitz__Top 7 Screenshot Tools for Ubuntu Desktop 06 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Top 7 Screenshot Tools for Ubuntu Desktop | Tux MachinesSep 06 20:23
schestowitz__Sep 06 20:23
schestowitz__Links 6/9/2020: GNUnet 0.13.3, Akademy 2020 Day 2, Python 3.5.10 06 20:23
schestowitz__Sep 06 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 6/9/2020: GNUnet 0.13.3, Akademy 2020 Day 2, Python 3.5.10 | TechrightsSep 06 20:23
DaemonFC[m]Bringing Data back for flashbacks was a mistake. The digital de-aging is very obvious. Sep 06 20:23
DaemonFC[m]We do find out that the godawful Star Trek: Nemesis movie is canon.Sep 06 20:24
DaemonFC[m]So Data was definitely destroyed, and instead of resurrecting Data as B4, they kind of dismissed the whole concept as the B4 android turned into some kind of retard and they shut it down.Sep 06 20:25
DaemonFC[m]In the comics, Data's memory files begin to reassert themselves and B4 becomes Data again, and ends up being promoted to Captain.Sep 06 20:26
DaemonFC[m]I've watched every episode of every series except Picard. I'll finish that eventually.Sep 06 20:32
DaemonFC[m]Each series had its high point, except for Enterprise, which is just kind of a pain to watch through.Sep 06 20:33
DaemonFC[m]They also mentioned Elon Musk in the same sentence as Zefram Cochran as great inventors. Musk is just an asshole who stands on the shoulders of smarter people.Sep 06 20:34
DaemonFC[m]His tweets make no sense except to highlight the fact that he's a sociopath and and a narcissist.Sep 06 20:34
DaemonFC[m]It seems to be a feature of Capitalism that the CEOs have no idea how anything at the company works except in maybe the broadest sense of the word.Sep 06 20:35
DaemonFC[m]They're getting people who know what they're doing because it's been a zero sum game vs. NASA.Sep 06 20:36
DaemonFC[m]Where Trump and Congress have been defunding NASA and giving it to SpaceX instead. Sep 06 20:36
schestowitz__theftSep 06 20:37
schestowitz__lootingSep 06 20:37
schestowitz__aka privitisationSep 06 20:37
DaemonFC[m]NASA is losing their best people and then when projects don't work out, they lose credibility and look incompetent.Sep 06 20:37
DaemonFC[m]Furthering "the case" for more money for SpaceX.Sep 06 20:37
schestowitz__and then they tell us about those "successful" billionairesSep 06 20:37
schestowitz__like nadella bagging 10 billion pentagon budget for sucking up to fascismSep 06 20:38
schestowitz__taxpayers shell out 27 trillionSep 06 20:38
schestowitz__blackwater, google etc. become richSep 06 20:38
schestowitz__and everyone else joblessSep 06 20:38
DaemonFC[m]It's costing more to run SpaceX than it did to run NASA.Sep 06 20:38
DaemonFC[m]Because of the shareholders and execs and stuff.Sep 06 20:38
schestowitz__economies that collapse do thisSep 06 20:39
DaemonFC[m]They siphon off money that isn't going into the research and development.Sep 06 20:39
schestowitz__they sell PUBLIC assetsSep 06 20:39
schestowitz__NASA even sold its patentSep 06 20:39
schestowitz__portfolioSep 06 20:39
schestowitz__auctioned to trolls, iircSep 06 20:39
schestowitz__then they say the economy is OKSep 06 20:39
schestowitz__because wall street is "up"Sep 06 20:39
schestowitz__public assets sold to private industrySep 06 20:39
schestowitz__wall street upSep 06 20:39
schestowitz__rejoice peopleSep 06 20:39
DaemonFC[m]Decommissioning the Space Shuttle was the first step in making us rely on private companies for space launches. Sep 06 20:39
schestowitz__you lost your land, your agencies, your public banksSep 06 20:40
schestowitz__"BUTTA MARKET!"Sep 06 20:40
DaemonFC[m]When there is a disaster that loses a crew in the Dragon capsules, and there will be, what will they say?Sep 06 20:40
schestowitz__"government, bail us out"Sep 06 20:40
schestowitz__(you did before..)Sep 06 20:40
DaemonFC[m]There's never been a space launch system in history that didn't lose at least one crew, and come very close to losing more.Sep 06 20:41
schestowitz__but who needs to worry about space exploration?Sep 06 20:41
schestowitz__I was gonna say earlier,Sep 06 20:42
schestowitz__what's with this tesla thing?Sep 06 20:42
schestowitz__people have no jobs to drive toSep 06 20:42
schestowitz__and many cannot afford a car nowSep 06 20:42
DaemonFC[m]The Apollo 1 fire... Apollo 13 nearly got blown off course by the explosion. If it had been just a tiny bit worse than it was, or they made even a single mistake, there'd be 3 dead astronauts in orbit around the sun for 100,000 years. Sep 06 20:42
schestowitz__but to some yuppies like bezos and musk all we need is a car that won't have us lay hands on a whellSep 06 20:42
schestowitz__wheelSep 06 20:42
schestowitz__as if it's so painful to driveSep 06 20:42
schestowitz__bezos talks about spaceSep 06 20:42
schestowitz__because he made the planet miserableSep 06 20:43
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Two of the crashes have been into police cars that were parked on the side of the road.Sep 06 20:43
schestowitz__killing so many businesses, as did the waltonsSep 06 20:43
DaemonFC[m]How does this even happen?Sep 06 20:43
DaemonFC[m]We have this fucker making spaceships?Sep 06 20:43
schestowitz__naughty  engineerSep 06 20:43
schestowitz__if "police" crash a littleSep 06 20:43
schestowitz__he's not making spaceshipsSep 06 20:44
schestowitz__he pockets public moneySep 06 20:44
schestowitz__to claim to be in charge of somethingSep 06 20:44
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: If Elon Musk should be compared to anyone in Star Trek, it should be Berlinghoff Rasmussen.Sep 06 20:44
schestowitz__then some others do shoddy workSep 06 20:44
schestowitz__and he gets to say the US is "great again" because it makes "billionaires" who are "successful"Sep 06 20:44
DaemonFC[m]The guy who killed a time traveler and stole his timeship and went places to steal technology to reverse engineer.Sep 06 20:44
schestowitz__he's the richest African-AmericanSep 06 20:44
schestowitz__(Musk, South Africa)Sep 06 20:44
DaemonFC[m]He said he was a failed inventor turned con artist.Sep 06 20:44
DaemonFC[m]He'd take gadgets and reverse engineer them in the past and pretend whatever resulted was his work.Sep 06 20:45
schestowitz__EdisonismSep 06 20:45
DaemonFC[m]He duped Picard's crew so well that he nearly stole a phaser, a tricorder, and Data. Sep 06 20:46
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, if GM wasn't so greedy and stupid they'd have had a mass market EV for years now. They would have been the first company with a successful one.Sep 06 20:47
DaemonFC[m]Instead they got a bankruptcy and plant closures and the only thing left that's an asset is a joint venture with the Chinese Communist Party.Sep 06 20:48
DaemonFC[m]In Star Trek canon, at least several people reversed future technology based on a crude understanding of it.Sep 06 20:50
DaemonFC[m]Which is what caused the personal computer revolution in the 1990s.Sep 06 20:50
schestowitz__what revolution?Sep 06 20:51
schestowitz__and why 1990s?Sep 06 20:51
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DaemonFC[m]Probably talking about how remarkable developments were taking place on such a short timeframe.Sep 06 20:51
DaemonFC[m]Those are gone.Sep 06 20:52
DaemonFC[m]Not happening anymore.Sep 06 20:52
schestowitz__what for example?Sep 06 20:52
schestowitz__hard drive capacity increases?Sep 06 20:52
schestowitz__32-bit instruction sets?Sep 06 20:52
DaemonFC[m]Probably that and you know, you'd buy a computer and there was something twice as fast on the market less than a year and a half later.Sep 06 20:52
DaemonFC[m]It was all going obsolete so fast that a year was like 10 years now.Sep 06 20:53
schestowitz__not reallySep 06 20:54
schestowitz__you are exaggerating it a bitSep 06 20:54
schestowitz__compared to the 1980s and 70sSep 06 20:55
schestowitz__not sure the >relative< increases were worseSep 06 20:55
schestowitz__although mass production for homes sped up development incentivesSep 06 20:55
DaemonFC[m]Star Trek has had an uncanny ability to predict the future, of course there were some hilarious misses.Sep 06 20:55
DaemonFC[m]The Bell Riots in the United States. Sep 06 20:55
DaemonFC[m]2022 I think?Sep 06 20:56
DaemonFC[m]The whole economy crashed, Europe ruined too. A surge of right-wing movements. Sep 06 20:56
DaemonFC[m]Didn't mention a viral pandemic of course, but it could easily be added to what they already established if they wanted to revisit it. Sep 06 20:56
schestowitz__those happen in cyclesSep 06 20:57
schestowitz__not hard to predictSep 06 20:57
DaemonFC[m]In the DS9 episodes, the US government decided to set aside "sacrifice zones" for the homeless where they'd be interned until jobs could be found.Sep 06 20:57
DaemonFC[m]But most didn't find jobs and unemployment stayed around 30%.Sep 06 20:57
schestowitz__people become desperate, go for awkward and radical regimes that place blame on X, Y, ZSep 06 20:57
DaemonFC[m]They called them "Sanctuary Districts".Sep 06 20:58
DaemonFC[m]It was where rich people wouldn't have to look at  it.Sep 06 20:58
schestowitz__they would not feel safeSep 06 20:58
schestowitz__don't burst their bubbleSep 06 20:58
schestowitz__walled communities are common where Mandy comes fromSep 06 20:58
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it didn't work in DS9. Sep 06 20:58
schestowitz__it's really that bad. So much effort going into making walls to secure richer people's "property"Sep 06 20:59
DaemonFC[m]Things in the districts boiled over and they ended up taking police officers hostage. Sep 06 20:59
schestowitz__in fact, most homes in some places have their own "walls"Sep 06 20:59
schestowitz__"building a house?"Sep 06 20:59
schestowitz__"Start with a wall..."Sep 06 20:59
DaemonFC[m]It led to a "What the hell were we thinking?" moment that ended the whole concept. Sep 06 20:59
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: The system we have in the US right now is unsustainable.Sep 06 21:00
DaemonFC[m]Trump is moving things around to try to last another month.Sep 06 21:00
DaemonFC[m]It's not going to work, obviously.Sep 06 21:01
DaemonFC[m]The states are already telling people to not expect that extra $300 to keep coming. That it is going to last about 3 weeks.Sep 06 21:01
DaemonFC[m](Was $600, then it expired for a month, and now it's $300, and that'll last 3 weeks.)Sep 06 21:01
DaemonFC[m]I was like "Why is Illinois taking so long to apply for this? If we start paying it out, the money runs out sooner and Trump is back to explaining why people don't have an income.".Sep 06 21:02
DaemonFC[m]It's just good politics to pay it out. Take him up on it. The more states do, the shorter it goes on. Won't get him to the election.Sep 06 21:03
schestowitz__Murica graaaate gainSep 06 21:03
DaemonFC[m]Illinois was approved for it. Sep 06 21:03
DaemonFC[m]Not that it's going to matter much.Sep 06 21:04
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I asked what the hell was going on with my health insurance recertification.Sep 06 21:04
DaemonFC[m]So someone said "Oh, we'll just exempt you from recertifying for it this year because the office is closed.".Sep 06 21:04
DaemonFC[m]Not going to argue.Sep 06 21:04
DaemonFC[m]I can't name a single thing that got worse after the virus chased government officials out of their offices, Roy.Sep 06 21:05
DaemonFC[m]At least on that front.Sep 06 21:05
DaemonFC[m]With the millions and millions they pay to bury people alive in Medicaid paperwork that they admit is to try to take away healthcare, they could pay for some healthcare, right?Sep 06 21:06
DaemonFC[m]This seems rather perverse.Sep 06 21:06
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: They automated recertification to some "private vendor".Sep 06 21:07
DaemonFC[m]They spy on your bank account balances, among other things.Sep 06 21:07
DaemonFC[m]They know what your tax returns look like. They know if you're on Social Security and, if so, how much.Sep 06 21:08
schestowitz__waste of effortSep 06 21:09
schestowitz__here we just walk into a clinicSep 06 21:09
schestowitz__get treated for 'free'Sep 06 21:09
schestowitz__(we pay for it with a portion of out income, but not much)Sep 06 21:09
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: One day, mom came over and she asked why I had 8 bags of cat food and 400 pounds of litter in the closet and a ton of other stuff.Sep 06 21:09
schestowitz__that covers meds, tooSep 06 21:09
DaemonFC[m]I said, "They ask me how much is in the bank. Not how much cat food I bought.".Sep 06 21:09
schestowitz__you could store cash at homeSep 06 21:10
schestowitz__it can be stolen more easily than cat foosdSep 06 21:10
schestowitz__but stillSep 06 21:10
DaemonFC[m]Risky, plus you'd be lying about countable assets. Sep 06 21:10
schestowitz__jabba is worth a grandSep 06 21:10
DaemonFC[m]Bobbi and Leeloo now.Sep 06 21:10
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I have some incentive to stock up on things before December 31st.Sep 06 21:11
DaemonFC[m]The more stuff I use Mandy's Walmart discount on, the more taxable income is on our W2. This year, we'll be below taxable income threshold anyway because he only worked part of the year.Sep 06 21:12
DaemonFC[m]But it also drives up the W2 gross earnings box because it's compensation.Sep 06 21:12
DaemonFC[m]So it's a twofer. Sep 06 21:12
DaemonFC[m]So not only will our tax exemptions exceed the rise in compensation, but the rise in compensation helps put us above the filing threshold for immigration.Sep 06 21:13
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: John had me do his taxes and I found some interesting loopholes. Sep 06 21:13
DaemonFC[m]The new tax code has less loopholes because itemizing is hard to beat the standard deduction with now, and you can still itemize a few things and take the standard deduction.Sep 06 21:14
schestowitz__doing taxes in the us or filing those forms is notoriously time-wastingSep 06 21:15
schestowitz__and beneficial to InsuitSep 06 21:15
schestowitz__*IntuitSep 06 21:15
schestowitz__which ruins a scam/racketSep 06 21:15
schestowitz__backed by the government of courseSep 06 21:15
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it's free for us to file because of their agreement with the IRS.Sep 06 21:16
DaemonFC[m]They only charge if you make more money. Then it can be fairly expensive. Not as much as hiring an accountant, but yeah.Sep 06 21:16
DaemonFC[m]Illinois rejected our filing from TurboTax last year, so I grabbed a paper IL-1040 and filled it out the way TurboTax did and mailed it.Sep 06 21:17
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__ My mom never believes me. I had to lean on her to go talk to a lawyer that knew you could file bankruptcy against the IRS on some things. I had to twist her arm and it ended up wiping out over 55% of her tax debt.Sep 06 21:18
schestowitz__[21:16] <DaemonFC[m]> Yeah, it's free for us to file because of their agreement with the IRS.Sep 06 21:20
schestowitz__They hid the free optionSep 06 21:20
DaemonFC[m]Out of the $12,000 she owed them, she ended up owing around the ballpark of $5,300 when it was over.Sep 06 21:20
DaemonFC[m]Was it worth throwing them in? Yeah. Did she fight me to keep paying them? Yeah.Sep 06 21:21
DaemonFC[m]I mean.... not smart but....Sep 06 21:21
schestowitz__let's change subjectSep 06 21:21
schestowitz__back to techSep 06 21:21
DaemonFC[m]yeah, the IRS changes the forms all the time tooSep 06 21:22
DaemonFC[m]So tax software has to change as well.Sep 06 21:22
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Next year they ask do you have any virtual currency.Sep 06 21:23
DaemonFC[m]I'm waiting for Maricel to say no so that I can send them her bitcoin wallet info.Sep 06 21:23
DaemonFC[m]If they don't get her on anything  else, it's making false statements.Sep 06 21:24
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: That "FairTax" idea fizzled out.Sep 06 21:24
DaemonFC[m]It would be impossible to enforce on cryptocurrency transactions anyway.Sep 06 21:25
DaemonFC[m]When the idea was gaining momentum, bitcoin didn't exist. All transactions went through the banking system.Sep 06 21:25
DaemonFC[m]Or cash...Sep 06 21:25
DaemonFC[m]They've been trying to come down hard on cash lately.Sep 06 21:25
schestowitz__2 covid deaths here todaySep 06 21:25
schestowitz__it was 1,2 and 3 last weekendSep 06 21:25
schestowitz__but almost 3k new casesSep 06 21:26
schestowitz__as kids go back to schools and all...Sep 06 21:26
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: The COVID-19 conspiracy theories are being peddled by those who link to AIDS denialism. I was on ZeroHedge the other day and one of the people saying PCR swabs detect "dead" virus and are unreliable pointed to an article denying that HIV causes AIDS. Sep 06 21:27
DaemonFC[m]These people are on Facebook and they put memes up that people like mom share around.Sep 06 21:27
schestowitz__they die fasterSep 06 21:27
schestowitz__but they can also spread the thing fasterSep 06 21:27
schestowitz__so it's a societal issueSep 06 21:27
schestowitz__like unvaccinated kidsSep 06 21:28
DaemonFC[m]The AIDS deniers responded to "Well, why do antiretrovirals work so well?" with "It's a placebo effect. Those people have a positive attitude that they'll get better!".Sep 06 21:28
DaemonFC[m]You really can't make this shit up.Sep 06 21:28
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DaemonFC[m]Can't get a haircut. (COVID)Sep 06 21:30
DaemonFC[m]But I found a cool mask.Sep 06 21:30
schestowitz__you really shaved the head completelySep 06 21:30
schestowitz__R.E.M.Sep 06 21:30
schestowitz__I suppose I'm luckier then... might make it into the 40s and maybe 50s without that much to worry about 06 21:31
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I think Illinois is going to have to pass a municipal bankruptcy law. I don't know what Chicago would put down as assets at this point.Sep 06 21:33
schestowitz__what does that solve?Sep 06 21:34
schestowitz__people won't be incarcerated for debt anywaySep 06 21:34
DaemonFC[m]They put stuff that could be generating a lot of money in privatization schemes for one time cash that was a lot less than it was worth.Sep 06 21:34
schestowitz__or maybe that's Trump's genius plan for 202* tooSep 06 21:34
schestowitz__The super-rich won't bail out your economySep 06 21:34
schestowitz__they robbed itSep 06 21:34
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: The progressive tax initiative.Sep 06 21:35
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DaemonFC[m]Finally got some money from the Oppose side.Sep 06 21:35
schestowitz__ 06 21:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens - ReutersSep 06 21:35
DaemonFC[m]Ken Griffen. Who else?Sep 06 21:35
schestowitz__That was ages agoSep 06 21:35
DaemonFC[m]He tried to prop up Rauner again and lost biglySep 06 21:35
schestowitz__maybe it's 50 or at least 40 by now.Sep 06 21:36
DaemonFC[m]he knew that the state's finances are falling apart but he figured he could make the state's welfare and infrastructure fall apart while he was spared a small tax increase.Sep 06 21:36
DaemonFC[m]I hope people don't fall for it. Sep 06 21:37
schestowitz__ 06 21:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-George Carlin - Owners of the Country - YouTubeSep 06 21:37
DaemonFC[m]This ballot initiative probably has almost all the support it needs to pass from Cook County itself. We only need to keep it from doing too badly elsewhere. Sep 06 21:37
DaemonFC[m]If we can keep it above water in the collar counties, even by a tad, then the rest of the state doesn't matter.Sep 06 21:38
DaemonFC[m]Some of those counties have like 2,000-3,000 people voting, in total. Not enough to do anything really.Sep 06 21:38
DaemonFC[m]I can't recall the exact distribution, but half the state population lives in Cook County (there are 101 others).Sep 06 21:39
DaemonFC[m]If you throw in the 5 surrounding counties, you have over 70% of the state population living in 5 out of 102 counties.Sep 06 21:39
DaemonFC[m]It's really not even close. So if you look at an election map that goes county or precinct, you'd think that Illinois was a 'red state', but that's not where people live so it doesn't matter.Sep 06 21:40
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: They've been trying to secede from Cook County for years. I'd vote no on it if they ever did manage to put it up for a vote.Sep 06 21:41
DaemonFC[m]It's not that I don't want them gone, it's that I don't want the Senate math to include another red state with 2 Republican senators. Sep 06 21:41
DaemonFC[m]As long as we don't let them leave, they have basically no representation in the Senate. Sep 06 21:42
DaemonFC[m]They'd also take some electoral votes and start giving them to the Republican candidate, while "Cook" or whatever the new Chicago state is called would be punished in the math by having a lot of people.Sep 06 21:43
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't really serve my political interests to allow them to leave in a referendum because then they'd make it more likely we'd be dealing with Republican majorities in the federal government.Sep 06 21:44
DaemonFC[m]Besides, as long as they're part of Illinois, we can keep doing all sorts of funny things to them, like sanctuary state, marijuana, and we'll think of other stuff.Sep 06 21:44
DaemonFC[m]They really have nothing in common with the northern part of the state. You get down there and it turns rural fast and it's more like Kentucky or something.Sep 06 21:45
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__ Who is living in downstate Illinois who would pay more taxes in a Progressive tax scheme?Sep 06 21:46
DaemonFC[m]The median income in some of those counties is $19,000 and you have to make $260,000 to see a tqx increase.Sep 06 21:47
schestowitz__why are we still going on about taxes?Sep 06 21:48
DaemonFC[m]Who is going to vote against it? If anything, half their income would be subjected to the lowest bracket and half would be subjected to one that's still lower than the flat one.Sep 06 21:48
DaemonFC[m]People being duped.Sep 06 21:48
DaemonFC[m]I cannot seriously believe that there is organic opposition to this.Sep 06 21:49
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__ Stallman was pushing for higher taxes on the rich.Sep 06 21:50
DaemonFC[m]The far right almost hates minimum wage and progressive tax as a religion. Even when they'd get a 33% raise and a 10% tax cut themselves.Sep 06 21:51
schestowitz__“I would like all members of the debian-private list to vote YES - let’s collaborate with FSF, or NO let’s not. I’m sorry, but if the answer is YES, I’m leaving. I know what it was like for Ian Murdock to work for Richard” 06 21:51
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schestowitz__let's analyse this archive furtherSep 06 21:51
schestowitz__I am 2 thousands messages donwSep 06 21:52
schestowitz__out of about 8,000Sep 06 21:52
DaemonFC[m]Convincing people to do what's the exact opposite of their own best interests.Sep 06 21:52
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft manages it too.Sep 06 21:52
DaemonFC[m]Even when there's no gain in putting something on github, people do it anyway.Sep 06 21:52
DaemonFC[m]Even when self-host wouldn't really cost them anything.Sep 06 21:52
DaemonFC[m]I have to think that moving to Github was one of the strings on all of that  Linux Foundation money.Sep 06 21:53
schestowitz__likelySep 06 21:54
schestowitz__they also bribed LF via githubSep 06 21:54
schestowitz__e.g. "communitybridge"Sep 06 21:54
schestowitz__we covered thatSep 06 21:54
schestowitz__few others didSep 06 21:54
schestowitz__Zemlin is a fraudSep 06 21:54
schestowitz__and more people call them out on it nowSep 06 21:54
DaemonFC[m]Running it at a loss to slowly corrupt the opposition and bring them into your sphere of influence. Github and Microsoft money are like all of these "subsidized natural gas" deals that Russia doles out.Sep 06 21:54
schestowitz__last week: 06 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New Video From Derek Taylor: The Linux Foundation Doesn’t Use Linux to Create Reports | TechrightsSep 06 21:54
schestowitz__my account shows up in this videoSep 06 21:54
DaemonFC[m]On the surface, Russia is just selling them cheap gas. On the big picture, that other country never does anything defiant of Russia again because their economy is growing based on subsidized energy.Sep 06 21:55
schestowitz__hm.. just 600,000 covid tests in us this past daySep 06 21:56
schestowitz__used to be like a millionSep 06 21:56
DaemonFC[m]Russia could sell them the gas at a market rate, but they wouldn't get comments like "We could merge with Russia and everything would be fine." from the "president" of Belarus.Sep 06 21:56
DaemonFC[m](Who has been in office with...."90%" of the vote consistently since 1994.)Sep 06 21:57
schestowitz__India did twice as many covid19 tests as the US did this past day. Trump dictatorship hopes to hide how bad things are by >still< (further) throttling the tests. Or sort of rate-limiting that.Sep 06 21:57
DaemonFC[m]Almost like they've never been in a political union with Russia that went horribly wrong before. Sep 06 21:57
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz__ "India did twice as many covid19 "> Well, if you'll notice, the states that got hit by COVID hardest have shown a sustained slump in the share saying  they'll vote for Trump that never recovered.Sep 06 21:58
schestowitz__Bella-RussiaSep 06 21:58
schestowitz__Bella PutinSep 06 21:58
DaemonFC[m]Hard to answer a poll when you're dead 'n stuff. Sep 06 21:58
schestowitz__and stuffSep 06 21:59
DaemonFC[m]There's been a gradual decay in Trump's support and the "floor" is now lower than it used to be. The "floor" went from being like +4 for Biden nationally in March to like +9 this week.Sep 06 22:00
DaemonFC[m]Leads me to believe that 1. Many more people died of COVID than we'll be hearing about for a long long time. 2. There's getting to be fewer people who can pretend like Trump is just everyone else's problem.Sep 06 22:00
DaemonFC[m]All those people who go to maskless motorcycle rallies in their "Trump 2020 because fuck you!" hats and choke to death after infecting their church friends aren't going to vote.Sep 06 22:01
schestowitz__lolSep 06 22:02
schestowitz__"Trump 2020 because fuck you!" Sep 06 22:02
schestowitz__that sums it up for manySep 06 22:02
DaemonFC[m]My dad asked what happiness I get from atheism. I told him "Schadenfreude mostly. Watching these idiots infect each other in church, where I'm not going.". Sep 06 22:03
Ariadneit is 103f (projected to be 110f) in fremont where the new dc is, and my servers are not overheatingSep 06 22:04
DaemonFC[m]"Knowing that no matter what you do to fuck this planet up, there's probably life out there who didn't take a turn for the worst, because that's how math works."Sep 06 22:04
AriadneamazingSep 06 22:04
schestowitz__is that a dutch dc?Sep 06 22:05
DaemonFC[m]They used to make us work in an un-air conditioned warehouse that was hotter than fuck, and they would just call an ambulance if someone collapsed.Sep 06 22:06
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Belarus and Russia form something called a Union StateSep 06 22:06
DaemonFC[m]They refused to open the empty truck bay doors to let the heat out because they didn't want to risk people stealing cheap shoes I guess.Sep 06 22:06
XRevan86> Almost like they've never been in a political union with Russia that went horribly wrong before.Sep 06 22:06
DaemonFC[m]So the only respite from it was cold Gatorade stations.Sep 06 22:06
DaemonFC[m]I'd stop what I was doing now and then and chug as much as I could get.Sep 06 22:07
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DaemonFC[m]I'd go home and I had been sweating so bad there'd be salt crystals in my shirt and pants. Sep 06 22:07
XRevan86 06 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Union State - WikipediaSep 06 22:07
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Burn and churn. Amazon has the same stuff happening. Sep 06 22:08
DaemonFC[m]Of course, they're working on that. Sep 06 22:08
schestowitz__and staffSep 06 22:08
DaemonFC[m]MOAR ROBOTSSep 06 22:08
schestowitz__and dead "and staff"Sep 06 22:08
schestowitz__(and stufff)Sep 06 22:08
schestowitz__we published some amazon whistleblowers ages agoSep 06 22:09
schestowitz__but it hardly received the attention it deservedSep 06 22:09
DaemonFC[m]Walmart is at least a much better place to work at than Amazon.Sep 06 22:09
schestowitz__but does walmart have Fulfillment?Sep 06 22:09
XRevan86That thing resurfaced into political discussion when there were rumours that Putin was planning to stay an eternal ruler by moving to a position in the Union State.Sep 06 22:10
XRevan86Lukashenko didn't like that, and instead Putin went for a good ol' term reset.Sep 06 22:10
schestowitz__Xi already made lifelong termSep 06 22:10
schestowitz__Trump wants the sameSep 06 22:10
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I think Walmart is competing with Amazon rather well.Sep 06 22:10
schestowitz__soon Putin will say it's the "new norm"Sep 06 22:11
DaemonFC[m]They've shown that they can adapt to a new business model.Sep 06 22:11
schestowitz__ 06 22:11
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DaemonFC[m]I like ordering stuff on Walmart better because Amazon has this totally ghetto as fuck delivery "service" that just throws your package wherever.Sep 06 22:11
XRevan86It seems that Lukashenko now banks on Russia (and so the Union State) for securing his leadership.Sep 06 22:11
DaemonFC[m]Then you have to call and go "What the hell happened!?".Sep 06 22:11
schestowitz__parcel deliveredSep 06 22:12
schestowitz__does not matter where toSep 06 22:12
schestowitz__"not our problem"Sep 06 22:12
schestowitz__"not my department"Sep 06 22:12
XRevan86Protests scared him a lot, and he is using a lot of violence way out of proportion to scare everyone shitlessSep 06 22:13
schestowitz__here they leave it with neighbours soemtimesSep 06 22:13
schestowitz__then let you fight over how to get it and whenSep 06 22:13
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DaemonFC[m]"Berlinghoff Rasmussen" was written as a character intended to be played by Robin Williams, but he declined the role to film the movie Hook.Sep 06 23:06
DaemonFC[m]Didn't know that.Sep 06 23:06
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XRevan86MinceR: This is beautifulSep 06 23:08
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Data had the best line though.Sep 06 23:14
DaemonFC[m]"I presume that your hand will open this door whether you are conscious or not."Sep 06 23:14
MinceR:>Sep 06 23:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Foundation — Teaser | Apple TV+ - YouTubeSep 06 23:15
*XRevan86 has *very* mixed feelings about this.Sep 06 23:15
XRevan86Someone's actually attemping to film Foundation (or, at least, some of it)!Sep 06 23:15
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Apparently Immigration will mail forms first class post wherever you want them to.Sep 06 23:16
XRevan86And it's Apple. And in this teaser they brag about how their bullshit is connected to Asimov's dreams and stuff.Sep 06 23:16
DaemonFC[m]So several hundred dollars worth of postage managed to find its way from Immigration to USPS.Sep 06 23:17
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MinceR07 001412 < DaemonFC[m]> "I presume that your hand will open this door whether you are conscious or not."Sep 06 23:20
MinceR"Now it looks like we're gonna have to do a little surgery!"Sep 06 23:20
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: A couple of states do allocate some of their votes by Congressional District, but it's not common.Sep 06 23:23
DaemonFC[m]Interestingly, this happened in 2008 (Obama wins a single vote from Nebraska) and 2016 (Trump wins a single vote from Maine).Sep 06 23:23
DaemonFC[m]Most states have no incentive to do that because they have a clear majority one way or the other at the state level and that's also the way the popular vote for president goes in that state.Sep 06 23:24
DaemonFC[m]If Indiana did this, they'd be giving 9 votes to Trump and 2 to Biden and if Illinois did this, we'd give like 14 votes to Biden and 6 to Trump.Sep 06 23:25
DaemonFC[m]if it's simply winner takes all, then it doesn't matter if 40% of Indiana votes for Biden, he gets 0 votes from the state. If 38% of Illinois votes for Trump, he gets 0 votes from the state.Sep 06 23:26
DaemonFC[m]It completely strips the minority party's voters of all of their representation in the election.Sep 06 23:27
DaemonFC[m]It's actually interesting, the national popular vote compact. If Nebraska or Maine passes it, they'd have to do something with the Congressional District EV laws.Sep 06 23:27
DaemonFC[m]I think Maine's voters put that into the state constitution.Sep 06 23:27
DaemonFC[m]There's actually an interesting  Maine-only situation right now where they have ranked choice voting in federal elections, and split their electoral votes.Sep 06 23:28
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans are angry because ranked choice already tossed out a Republican from the House, but it also lets people do a protest vote for the Green Party or something, and still vote for Biden on further rounds.Sep 06 23:29
schestowitz__Chaekyung: 220 /. comments 06 23:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 'Linusgate': Debian Project Leaders Want To Ban Linus Torvalds For His Manners - SlashdotSep 06 23:29
schestowitz__mostly BS onesSep 06 23:29
schestowitz__like saying it's "old"Sep 06 23:29
DaemonFC[m]So it's unlikely that Trump can win one EV from Maine again.Sep 06 23:29
schestowitz__they miss the pointSep 06 23:29
DaemonFC[m]You need 270 to win, so it puts him about 0.37% further away from that goal. Sep 06 23:30
schestowitz__Another ~250 comments in Sep 06 23:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Wokies force Codes of Conduct onto the Open Source Movement and are now trying to use them to get Linus cancelled and blacklisted. : stupidpolSep 06 23:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | "Linusgate": To the surprise of absolutely no one, after forcing CoCs onto open source teams SJWs are trying to use them to force Linus Torvalds out. : KotakuInActionSep 06 23:30
DaemonFC[m]That's the real reason the Democrats pushed it through.Sep 06 23:31
DaemonFC[m]They were furious about losing that electoral vote to Trump, and this makes it....unlikely to happen again.Sep 06 23:31
DaemonFC[m]They couldn't repeal the law that allocates the EVs the way it does, but they can nudge that single vote past the point where Trump can get at it.Sep 06 23:32
schestowitz__your electoral system is a messSep 06 23:32
schestowitz__we have something similarSep 06 23:33
schestowitz__but nowhere as messySep 06 23:33
schestowitz__like "winning" with 3 million voters fewerSep 06 23:33
DaemonFC[m]There are few realistic situations where it will cause Trump to lose, because the most likely one where Maine is the deciding factor is a deadlock, but....Sep 06 23:33
DaemonFC[m]It can throw the election to Congress, and Trump may end up with Kamala Harris as his vice president.Sep 06 23:33
DaemonFC[m]Democrats control the House, but their majority depends on a few big states where they have almost all of the seats.Sep 06 23:34
DaemonFC[m]Each state gets one presidential vote, and the way the House delegations would vote is a majority of each delegation.Sep 06 23:34
DaemonFC[m]So Biden would get clobbered and Trump wins.Sep 06 23:34
DaemonFC[m]But if the Democrats have a majority in the Senate, they'll quickly choose a Democrat for Vice President.Sep 06 23:35
DaemonFC[m]Trump can't stop the Vice President they pick from taking office with him. All he could do is lock them out of the White House and the meetings and intelligence briefs.Sep 06 23:36
schestowitz__ 06 23:36
schestowitz__"When the movement shifts from promoting tolerance to promoting intolerance of individuals who've demonstrated lapses of tolerance in their given context, it does exactly that. A person's identity can't be reduced to an idea they've expressed so that they can be blacklisted from the human experience The trend of intolerance taking over movements that promote tolerance reduces untolerated people to participating within their Sep 06 23:36
schestowitz__blacklisted faction of society because of things like off-color humor from decades ago or tweets from 5 years ago. It's not healthy. People can change, and our society's perception of a person's past actions can also change when new context comes to light. It doesn't happen overnight. That's why tolerance is important."Sep 06 23:36
schestowitz__"Sep 06 23:36
schestowitz__There is something called the paradox of tolerance. It postulate that a tolerant society, by its tolerant nature, will give rise to many viewpoints and ideologies in its population, including some that want to destroy the tolerant nature of it (such as the far right, SJWs or various religious ideologies).Sep 06 23:36
schestowitz__And that if nothing is done and those ideologies are tolerated, they may develop, fester, incorrect and eventually take over and make the society intolerant.Sep 06 23:36
DaemonFC[m]But if he dies, the VP becomes president, and if the Democrats are down to 50 seats after 2022, she breaks the ties. Sep 06 23:36
schestowitz__The paradox is thus that in order to preserve is tolerant nature, a tolerant society has to be intolerant forward ideologies that seek to destroy it.Sep 06 23:36
schestowitz__SJWs are one such ideology that should not be tolerated like it is and which is seeking to destroy society (they are currently trying to remove civil rights era laws from the Californian condition that forbid discrimination based on race, color, etc. For example). But in their minds, no doubt they are the tolerant ones that must prevent others from destroying the tolerant utopia they are building.Sep 06 23:36
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DaemonFC[m]So it would be a bonus Senator maybe, and a president in waiting.Sep 06 23:36
DaemonFC[m]Trump's health isn't great.Sep 06 23:37
DaemonFC[m]It would be a weird situation where the VP would be participating in every vote on the Senate floor, locked out of the White House, and presiding over the Senate to give the Democrats a quorum. Sep 06 23:38
MinceRespecially his mental healthSep 06 23:38
DaemonFC[m]Trump's presidency would be almost over if the Democrats take the Senate even if he remains in office.Sep 06 23:38
DaemonFC[m]They'll let all of his nominations go unfilled.Sep 06 23:38
DaemonFC[m]Wait him out for 4 years and then try to pack the vacancies the next time round. Sep 06 23:39
DaemonFC[m]The Supreme Court might even lose a couple judges and have to make some bizarre compromises along the way.Sep 06 23:39
DaemonFC[m]Could get fucking ugly.Sep 06 23:39
DaemonFC[m]Not as bad as it is now though.Sep 06 23:40
DaemonFC[m]It would be better for things to just stop than for Trump to keep filling vacancies.Sep 06 23:40
DaemonFC[m]Republican donors realize that a president who can't control the Senate is worthless and all their policies end with their term, so they're putting the money into Senate races and leaving House Republicans to fend for themselves, and Trump is complaining that they aren't donating the maximum amounts they could to him.Sep 06 23:41
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Now Trump is saying he'll only agree to sign more stimulus money if he's re-elected.Sep 06 23:42
DaemonFC[m]In other words, if he's not he'll do nothing for 2 months to let the economy fall apart to the extent that it can before Biden can be sworn in.Sep 06 23:43
DaemonFC[m]He keeps stepping into the process to smash deals that Congress is about to sign off on, deliberately, so that he can try economic blackmail and threats of sabotage as "punishment" for not re-electing him.Sep 06 23:44
DaemonFC[m]I don't give a fuck. This can't be allowed.Sep 06 23:44
DaemonFC[m]It's not going  to change how I vote. If anything, I'm even more committed to voting for Biden now.Sep 06 23:45
DaemonFC[m]There's a policy called "We do not negotiate with terrorists.".Sep 06 23:45
DaemonFC[m]If we give in to get one stimulus bill through, maybe, we'll have to deal with 4 more years of Trump destroying our country and our way of life and our system of law and order, and it's just simply not worth it.Sep 06 23:46
MinceR 06 23:47
schestowitz__They're praised when they war red hats that say "MAGA" and carry rifled, DaemonFC[m]Sep 06 23:47
DaemonFC[m]What the hell do you call making a jury sit there and go through a felony trial for Joe Arpaio and Roger Stone and finding them GUILTY AS SIN just so our criminal president can pardon them the next day?Sep 06 23:48
DaemonFC[m]That's not law and order. He's doling them out to his criminal friends and before they serve one day of punishment.Sep 06 23:48
MinceRwhen have you seen fascists paying "law and order" lip service ever actually support rule of law?Sep 06 23:49
schestowitz__slaver owners did "law and order"Sep 06 23:50
schestowitz__they punished the slavesSep 06 23:50
DaemonFC[m]They're shouting  law and order and they' mom gets behind a mass murderer in Wisconsin who went there looking to cause trouble.Sep 06 23:50
schestowitz__for breaking "order" and "law"Sep 06 23:50
DaemonFC[m]This is lunacy.Sep 06 23:50
schestowitz__fascismSep 06 23:50
schestowitz__violence as 'defence'Sep 06 23:50
schestowitz__they "protect" their "president"Sep 06 23:51
schestowitz__nazis too used to beat up "enemies"Sep 06 23:51
schestowitz__well before they threw people in death campsSep 06 23:51
schestowitz__it starts like thatSep 06 23:51
schestowitz__US has fema camps and other campsSep 06 23:52
schestowitz__expect "trouble" groups to be taken >off< those unmarked vansSep 06 23:52
MinceRschestowitz__: yeah -- different "laws" for different people. i.e. not rule of lawSep 06 23:52
schestowitz__for "national security"... offloaded into "facilities"Sep 06 23:52
DaemonFC[m]My dad was bragging about all the Trump boat parades. I told him the best part was the Kolfage and Bannon boat that they spent $200,000 of "wall money" on (among other things leading to their arrests) and the 4 that sank because they got caught in the wake of other boats in Texas.Sep 06 23:52
DaemonFC[m]It really is fantastic.Sep 06 23:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Learning resources linksSep 06 23:53
schestowitz__"If you leave in a block of flats and decide to learn music making, please use headphones when experimenting. Our neighbour, sadly, didn't."Sep 06 23:53
schestowitz__Leave..Sep 06 23:53
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: that boat show is a laughing stockSep 06 23:54
schestowitz__makes the US look like a redneck nation, as if texas and show-off are the normSep 06 23:54
schestowitz__OH LOOk! another new "bill sez!" article Sep 06 23:54
schestowitz__ 06 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates says Tesla Semi and electric airplanes will 'probably never' work, and he is wrong - ElectrekSep 06 23:54
schestowitz__bill is a geniusSep 06 23:54
schestowitz__without even graduating from collegeSep 06 23:54
schestowitz__without ever becoming rich (he was rich from the get-go)Sep 06 23:55
schestowitz__bill, bill, bill...Sep 06 23:55
schestowitz__wonder if he bribed this site too (it's easy to lose track)Sep 06 23:55
schestowitz__turned out he had also bribed propublicaSep 06 23:55
schestowitz__a shame as I like(d) that site...Sep 06 23:55

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