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| XRevan86 | scientes: Like what? | Oct 06 00:12 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/629682.jpg | Oct 06 00:32 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/22/2c63ee6638df5df9.jpg | Oct 06 00:45 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/629638.jpg | Oct 06 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Technically incorrect. | Oct 06 01:09 |
| XRevan86 | The worst kind of incorrect. | Oct 06 01:09 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 06 01:09 |
| MinceR | i know, numbers are words | Oct 06 01:09 |
| XRevan86 | Technically they aren't, but they can be represented by words %). | Oct 06 01:09 |
| MinceR | especially the ones between 0 and 65535 inclusive | Oct 06 01:09 |
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| XRevan86 | "your beauty levels are at sixty percent" – one hundred percent wordful | Oct 06 01:11 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 06 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | Re: Another one.> https://medium.com/@wtfmitchel/the-plight-of-the-whistleblower-93856b68de5 | Oct 06 05:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Plight of The Whistleblower - Mitchel Lewis - Medium | Oct 06 05:55 | |
| schestowitz | Interesting parts there re Microsoft. | Oct 06 05:55 |
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| schestowitz | > Little to no Software Freedom news outside of TR. | Oct 06 07:40 |
| schestowitz | Let's try to focus on the positive side of it. | Oct 06 07:41 |
| schestowitz | Having said that, 3 days in a row now GNU/Linux news was VERY VERY slow. Even Rianne noticed. Since Thurs. | Oct 06 07:41 |
| js2 | yes. | Oct 06 07:53 |
| js2 | but lot of anti-stallman news and pro open source news too. | Oct 06 07:53 |
| schestowitz | This new article by Alessandro Ebersol about Richard Stallman is worth reading (also mind the part about #billgates and pedophilia links) https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/201910/page02.html | Oct 06 07:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pclosmag.com | PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 2 | Oct 06 07:53 | |
| schestowitz | I know Ebersol | Oct 06 07:54 |
| schestowitz | he has helped the site for over a decade | Oct 06 07:54 |
| js2 | actually stallman was not defending minsky. he just defining the words used in the first post. we can interpret it as defending. but i think its not correct. | Oct 06 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | mdia said he defended Epstein | Oct 06 08:01 |
| schestowitz | even SJVN did that | Oct 06 08:01 |
| js2 | yes. so bad. | Oct 06 08:02 |
| schestowitz | that was my last straw for me | Oct 06 08:02 |
| schestowitz | with him... | Oct 06 08:03 |
| schestowitz | I was faaaarrr too patient | Oct 06 08:03 |
| schestowitz | as he had supported us over the years | Oct 06 08:03 |
| js2 | what FSF did was a crime | Oct 06 08:03 |
| js2 | they should not accept the resignation letter. | Oct 06 08:03 |
| js2 | end of the story. | Oct 06 08:04 |
| js2 | but what they so horrible. | Oct 06 08:04 |
| schestowitz | RMS wants us to support the FSF now | Oct 06 08:04 |
| schestowitz | and that's what matters | Oct 06 08:04 |
| js2 | no way. they are criminals | Oct 06 08:04 |
| schestowitz | He sent me 3 emails asking me to do so | Oct 06 08:04 |
| schestowitz | he said that talking them down had hurt his effort to mend things | Oct 06 08:05 |
| schestowitz | js2: if you see the other IRC channels of ours, you'll encounter discussions about it | Oct 06 08:05 |
| schestowitz | notably about Oliva (Alex, linux-libre) | Oct 06 08:05 |
| js2 | i am actually new here | Oct 06 08:06 |
| schestowitz | welcome | Oct 06 08:06 |
| js2 | what are the channels? | Oct 06 08:06 |
| js2 | ty | Oct 06 08:06 |
| schestowitz | anyway, lots of discussion going on | Oct 06 08:06 |
| schestowitz | now in the site's CMS | Oct 06 08:06 |
| schestowitz | but IRC, email etc. | Oct 06 08:06 |
| schestowitz | we know who stands with who | Oct 06 08:06 |
| schestowitz | bkuhn is the main anti-RMS coup person | Oct 06 08:06 |
| js2 | this is the IRC channel? | Oct 06 08:06 |
| schestowitz | and gnome were always dodgy, they try to do this a decade ago | Oct 06 08:06 |
| schestowitz | there are 3 more channels | Oct 06 08:07 |
| schestowitz | see channel topic | Oct 06 08:07 |
| schestowitz | or read irc logs | Oct 06 08:07 |
| js2 | its so bad these people became like this. | Oct 06 08:07 |
| schestowitz | we publish them daily now http://techrights.org/2019/10/02/techrights-transparency/ | Oct 06 08:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Increasing Transparency (Operational and Technical) at Techrights | Techrights | Oct 06 08:07 | |
| schestowitz | maybe bkuhn fancies himself "king "open source"" | Oct 06 08:07 |
| schestowitz | he was always rude | Oct 06 08:07 |
| js2 | i am using your rss feeds | Oct 06 08:08 |
| schestowitz | even more than a decade ago he reeked ego | Oct 06 08:08 |
| schestowitz | and I even said it out loud at one point | Oct 06 08:08 |
| schestowitz | the rss feeds have the irc logs | Oct 06 08:08 |
| js2 | ok | Oct 06 08:08 |
| schestowitz | but the latest ones are hoursold | Oct 06 08:08 |
| schestowitz | so it'll be in 06102019 logs | Oct 06 08:08 |
| schestowitz | (today we'll publish august-sept. log -- it's a big job) | Oct 06 08:09 |
| schestowitz | re FSF see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Free_Software_Federation_HOWTO | Oct 06 08:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Federation HOWTO - Techrights | Oct 06 08:09 | |
| schestowitz | it's days old, 2 days | Oct 06 08:09 |
| schestowitz | figosdev is working on it | Oct 06 08:10 |
| js2 | i joined one group called fsforce | Oct 06 08:10 |
| js2 | but not much discussion happening here | Oct 06 08:11 |
| schestowitz | I know "FOSS" Force | Oct 06 08:12 |
| schestowitz | but their site too is more or less defunct | Oct 06 08:12 |
| schestowitz | not sure about FSForce | Oct 06 08:12 |
| schestowitz | some people decided that having a "twitter" account for "tweets" is as good as an actual site with actual articles (yes, articles), so they abandoned their sites and choose "tweets" and "RTs" over actual journalism | Oct 06 08:13 |
| js2 | https://fsforce.noblogs.org/ | Oct 06 08:13 |
| js2 | thats their link | Oct 06 08:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsforce.noblogs.org | Free Software Force › Against sfconservancy, we call for Stallman to step UP from his positions in the free software movement | Oct 06 08:14 | |
| schestowitz | interesting | Oct 06 08:14 |
| schestowitz | I will add that to http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122 | Oct 06 08:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stallman Under Fire for Views on Epstein | Tux Machines | Oct 06 08:14 | |
| js2 | i dont know who runs that. | Oct 06 08:15 |
| schestowitz | does it now say? | Oct 06 08:21 |
| schestowitz | I thought I saw a name | Oct 06 08:21 |
| schestowitz | added to http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122 | Oct 06 08:22 |
| schestowitz | it's chronological | Oct 06 08:22 |
| js2 | it says | Oct 06 08:22 |
| js2 | what i meant was i dont know them personally | Oct 06 08:23 |
| js2 | some alimiracle posted it on libreplanet-discuss | Oct 06 08:26 |
| js2 | https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2019-09/msg00291.html | Oct 06 08:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.gnu.org | The Free Software Force is calling for support | Oct 06 08:27 | |
| schestowitz | I will give them publicity | Oct 06 08:28 |
| schestowitz | maybe they could use some awareness | Oct 06 08:28 |
| js2 | that will be good | Oct 06 08:29 |
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| XRevan86 | https://gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2019/10/06 | Oct 06 11:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pearls Before Swine by Stephan Pastis for October 06, 2019 - GoComics | Oct 06 11:25 | |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 06 11:41 |
| schestowitz | I posted a link to it... | Oct 06 11:50 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16166831 | Oct 06 11:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #techrighs IRC Proceedings: July 28th – September 30th, 2019 http://techrights.org/2019/10/06/irc-logs-280719/ 260 new files. From now on we publish 4 each day. | Oct 06 11:50 | |
| schestowitz | This was tiring | Oct 06 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Took two hours | Oct 06 11:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: July 28th – September 30th, 2019 | Techrights | Oct 06 11:50 | |
| schestowitz | if someone wants to test the links/text, I may have gotten something wrong | Oct 06 11:50 |
| schestowitz | I tested only edge cases, would take far too long otherwise | Oct 06 11:51 |
| *schestowitz would lose sanity having to manually check 260 new files | Oct 06 11:51 | |
| MinceR | did you write it by hand? | Oct 06 11:53 |
| schestowitz | no, I wrote some code recently (past week) | Oct 06 11:55 |
| schestowitz | but there were a few bugs at first | Oct 06 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Oct 1-5 were like test runs | Oct 06 11:55 |
| schestowitz | now I can give it dates range and it'll generate everything from xchat log formats, then upload over rsync, give the text to go with it in wordpress | Oct 06 11:56 |
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| MinceR | :) | Oct 06 12:39 |
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| oiaohm | I guess everyone has seen the talking with Fedora 32 only supporting avx2 or new cpus that effectively rules out everything older than 2013 . | Oct 06 13:43 |
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| psydroid | I think it's an excellent move | Oct 06 14:02 |
| schestowitz | how so? | Oct 06 14:02 |
| schestowitz | some people use old machines | Oct 06 14:02 |
| psydroid | to reduce their marketshare even more | Oct 06 14:02 |
| schestowitz | ah | Oct 06 14:03 |
| schestowitz | I see what you mean | Oct 06 14:03 |
| schestowitz | IBM no longer cares about the desktop anyway | Oct 06 14:03 |
| psydroid | the thing is that 1) it never worked well for me when it mattered 2) I am not going to run a short-lived operating system on my production hardware, effectively relegating it to a VM that I may occasionally check things on before abandoning it again | Oct 06 14:09 |
| psydroid | they will probably extend this to CentOS and RHEL, which I may have a higher chance to use over time | Oct 06 14:09 |
| psydroid | but even then, who is actually going to run those an end-user or developer desktop? | Oct 06 14:10 |
| psydroid | so yes, IBM no longer cares about it and it shows | Oct 06 14:10 |
| schestowitz | They sold thinkpads to Lenovo | Oct 06 14:11 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: maybe you have the wrong point. IBM might care about the desktop just not the x86 one. | Oct 06 14:13 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: IBM is still trying to make the power chips be successful remember that. | Oct 06 14:13 |
| psydroid | oiaohm, I know, I have a Powermac G5 running Debian ppc64 as well as QEMU running Debian ppc64le | Oct 06 14:14 |
| psydroid | I actually was getting familiar with ppc assembly a few months ago, but now I don't have the time to continue | Oct 06 14:14 |
| psydroid | first I will finish reading the RISC-V version of Patterson and Hennessy over the next few months | Oct 06 14:21 |
| oiaohm | https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/twitter-executive-also-part-time-officer-uk-army-psychological-warfare-unit People are starting to look at different people in these major companies. | Oct 06 14:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.middleeasteye.net | EXCLUSIVE: Twitter executive for Middle East is British Army 'psyops' soldier | Middle East Eye | Oct 06 14:25 | |
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| insmodppa | More Code of Conduct nonsense, this time affecting Stack Overflow: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21153224 | Oct 06 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | An Update to Our Community and an Apology | Hacker News | Oct 06 15:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16168404 | Oct 06 15:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ICE is bad, but this is now being exploited by people whose sole goal is to undermine #freesw (known troll with a track record of trolling) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128930#comment-21919 | Oct 06 15:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org | James Bottomley: Why Ethical Open Source Really Isn’t | Tux Machines | Oct 06 15:26 | |
| schestowitz | 4 mins ago | Oct 06 15:26 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16168416 | Oct 06 15:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Word to the wise: people like this (moral crusaders) will not hesitate to burn your organization to the ground if they don’t get their way. They’ll run coups (like this), condemn you on Twitter, and scare everyone" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21153224 | Oct 06 15:26 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/practices/ there a USA company right? | Oct 06 15:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eeoc.gov | Prohibited Practices | Oct 06 15:40 | |
| oiaohm | insmodppa: code of conduct is not nonsense. I wish it was. All that is written in code of conduct is is stuff you are required todo by USA and other countries laws as part of general employment as a employer to provide a legal work environment. | Oct 06 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Just for a long time on the internet the legal requirements were not enforced. These are not new laws they are very old ones. | Oct 06 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Maybe some of those legal requirements go too far but that is a case we need to change laws. | Oct 06 15:44 |
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| MinceR | CoC is toxic nonsense and it's killing technology | Oct 06 16:05 |
| MinceR | of course oiaohm loves it because he wants to see tech dead | Oct 06 16:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really. | Oct 06 16:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: personal attack because that all you have right not facts. | Oct 06 16:09 |
| oiaohm | CoC like it or not has a legal base. | Oct 06 16:09 |
| schestowitz | some laws are unethical | Oct 06 16:10 |
| schestowitz | (heck, some are literally BOUGHT and PAID FOR) | Oct 06 16:10 |
| MinceR | and laws are holy to oiaohm | Oct 06 16:10 |
| MinceR | unquestionable | Oct 06 16:10 |
| schestowitz | it's bad reasoning | Oct 06 16:10 |
| schestowitz | there's a law, so... | Oct 06 16:10 |
| MinceR | interestingly, some people are too good to have the holy laws apply to them | Oct 06 16:10 |
| schestowitz | hence, CoC good | Oct 06 16:10 |
| MinceR | governments, rich people, megacorporations | Oct 06 16:10 |
| schestowitz | hey, oiaohm, let's taslk about sharia | Oct 06 16:10 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 06 16:11 |
| schestowitz | can I murder my neighbour | Oct 06 16:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: No I do not talk about not questioning laws. | Oct 06 16:11 |
| schestowitz | there's a law allowing it, s/he not Muslim | Oct 06 16:11 |
| MinceR | yeah, that part is implicit | Oct 06 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Its being aware what is law. | Oct 06 16:11 |
| MinceR | the explicit part is "it follows from a law, therefore it's good" | Oct 06 16:11 |
| oiaohm | and what requires to get rid of it law changes. | Oct 06 16:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: your attitude only gives angst to FS activists | Oct 06 16:11 |
| MinceR | that's one way | Oct 06 16:11 |
| MinceR | but the way humans chose does not involve changing the law | Oct 06 16:11 |
| MinceR | it involves exterminating all humans | Oct 06 16:11 |
| MinceR | and thus there won't be anyone left to uphold or even care about laws anymore | Oct 06 16:12 |
| MinceR | it's better for the rest of the universe | Oct 06 16:12 |
| oiaohm | The thing is everything that is the CoC could be enforced without a project having a CoC anyhow by the existing laws. | Oct 06 16:12 |
| oiaohm | But with far worse outcomes. | Oct 06 16:13 |
| MinceR | a project does not have to play bitch to jurists | Oct 06 16:13 |
| MinceR | and people can leave the shitholes that make it illegal to develop useful software in their jurisdictions | Oct 06 16:13 |
| MinceR | and see if suits can even survive without engineers making and maintaining technology for them. | Oct 06 16:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to go where. | Oct 06 16:14 |
| MinceR | also, if your project adopts a CoC then the toxicity remains even if the law is fixed | Oct 06 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Depends on how the law is fixed. | Oct 06 16:15 |
| MinceR | not sure, probably where all the sensible people will flee from the neofascists and other assorted authoritarian useless people | Oct 06 16:15 |
| oiaohm | Because it is possible if the law is fixed in a particular ways that the exist CoC themselves could come illegal. | Oct 06 16:15 |
| MinceR | it's insane to propagate bad laws in other legal codes so they can apply where and when they normally wouldn't | Oct 06 16:15 |
| MinceR | yeah, i wouldn't hold my breath for that | Oct 06 16:15 |
| MinceR | for starters, people can emigrate from the usa and from australia | Oct 06 16:16 |
| oiaohm | Its happened many times that old workplace health and safety documents that CoC techically falls into that the old versions come illegal. | Oct 06 16:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to where. | Oct 06 16:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you have said leave but what country. | Oct 06 16:17 |
| MinceR | almost anywhere else? | Oct 06 16:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no you have not done your homework. | Oct 06 16:17 |
| oiaohm | The base the laws that the CoC mirrors is in every country either UK or france setup. | Oct 06 16:18 |
| oiaohm | That really does not leave very many countries exit to. | Oct 06 16:18 |
| oiaohm | So you want to go to like like China? | Oct 06 16:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: this is the problem this stuff is old laws that has 300 years to get almost everywhere. | Oct 06 16:19 |
| oiaohm | So any decent development/under developed country you could run to you would be running straight to these laws. So its fairly much to the point if people don't like the laws they need to stand and push for the laws to be changed. | Oct 06 16:22 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: think about these laws have been sitting on the law books not enforced in major ways for 300+ years and people went these are not a problem. Real trouble does come from the laws being left in the law books when the populatin does not agree with them absolutely. | Oct 06 16:24 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: I really think lot of people have missed how much of a head start the legal system has had with the what is written in the CoC to get those rules spread almost everywhere. | Oct 06 16:39 |
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| decnet | ........................................................ | Oct 06 20:17 |
| MinceR | R_Init: Initializing refresh daemon. [ | Oct 06 20:20 |
| decnet | Hi there .. | Oct 06 20:20 |
| MinceR | hi | Oct 06 20:20 |
| decnet | 'This CPU is not supported anymore' :[ | Oct 06 20:21 |
| XRevan86 | hi | Oct 06 20:21 |
| decnet | axe me a question :[ | Oct 06 20:27 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1907194 | Oct 06 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 06 20:29 | |
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| psydroid | decnet, not supported for what? | Oct 06 20:31 |
| decnet | Anyone watching "City on a Hill" | Oct 06 20:31 |
| decnet | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_on_a_Hill_(TV_series) | Oct 06 20:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | City on a Hill (TV series) - Wikipedia | Oct 06 20:31 | |
| psydroid | and which processor? | Oct 06 20:31 |
| decnet | That's what is says, it boot into the latest Ubuntu no problem! | Oct 06 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | > axe me a question :[ | Oct 06 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | decnet: The XXX century pronunciation? :) | Oct 06 20:32 |
| decnet | dmesg: powernow_k8: This CPU is not supported anymore, using acpi-cpufreq instead | Oct 06 20:33 |
| decnet | It'll do me until it fall apart. | Oct 06 20:34 |
| decnet | Ancient AMD, ancient video card, ancient keyboard monkey :[ | Oct 06 20:35 |
| psydroid | oh, I only have older AMD AM2 processors, which are probably unsupported too now | Oct 06 20:38 |
| psydroid | I happened to find some older graphics cards earlier this year | Oct 06 20:38 |
| decnet | At least I don't have to buy a new computer every time a new version of Linux comes out ! | Oct 06 20:39 |
| psydroid | I use my computers with Linux until they break, none of them (but one) run anything else | Oct 06 20:40 |
| decnet | I've noticed .. | Oct 06 20:41 |
| psydroid | the one that doesn't run Linux, runs OpenBSD | Oct 06 20:42 |
| decnet | i've been Windows free at home for yonks, only have to use it at work :[ | Oct 06 20:43 |
| MinceR | (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/26/ea9673dc643aae84.mp4 | Oct 06 20:43 |
| decnet | Shock horror: Apple disables changing MAC address. | Oct 06 20:47 |
| decnet | https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/19/10/06/177216/did-macos-stop-allowing-changes-to-wifi-mac-addresses | Oct 06 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.slashdot.org | Did MacOS Stop Allowing Changes to Wifi MAC Addresses? - Slashdot | Oct 06 20:47 | |
| MinceR | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21153224 | Oct 06 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | An Update to Our Community and an Apology | Hacker News | Oct 06 20:48 | |
| decnet | Remind me again of this Monica issue? | Oct 06 20:49 |
| MinceR | monica used a gender-neutral pronoun and they fired her for misgendering someone with designated pronouns | Oct 06 20:50 |
| MinceR | i.e. she did the most professional thing and the SJW-s fired her for it | Oct 06 20:51 |
| decnet | Ah, so .. I thought she was being punished for violating an as yet to be written teerms-of-engagement and she never used the wrong pro-noun? | Oct 06 20:51 |
| decnet | She only questioned the Terms of the thingy/ | Oct 06 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Did she use "they"? | Oct 06 20:52 |
| MinceR | it seems it was even more nasty than that >> https://stats.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5765/moderator-resignation | Oct 06 20:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stats.meta.stackexchange.com | Moderator resignation - Cross Validated Meta | Oct 06 20:52 | |
| MinceR | decnet: yes, according to this it was as you said | Oct 06 20:53 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i don't know, i haven't seen the messages they took issue with yet | Oct 06 20:53 |
| decnet | They were writing a new "Code of Conduct" that referenced gender pronouns, Monica wrote something on a *private* email which was leaked and used as a pretext to have her dropped. | Oct 06 20:54 |
| scientes | gender doesn't exist | Oct 06 20:55 |
| decnet | An off for a break be back in 20m | Oct 06 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | From what I read already, I assume she discussed ways to refer with a universal neutral pronoun regardless of the wishes of any person, right? | Oct 06 20:55 |
| MinceR | something like that | Oct 06 20:55 |
| scientes | and stack overflow is horrible for closing good questions that don't promote the moderator's ego | Oct 06 20:56 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 06 20:56 |
| scientes | " | Oct 06 20:57 |
| scientes | SE is going to introduce a new Code of Conduct which (among other things) is attempting to make the site more accepting of LGBTQI+ users. " | Oct 06 20:57 |
| scientes | where's the problem | Oct 06 20:57 |
| MinceR | i often find useful info on questions that were closed for being off-topic in some way | Oct 06 20:57 |
| scientes | most of the victim class people I meet these days are highly intolerant | Oct 06 20:57 |
| scientes | he, she it | Oct 06 20:59 |
| scientes | choose one | Oct 06 20:59 |
| scientes | and then stop being a victim | Oct 06 20:59 |
| *XRevan86 chooses the pronoun "win" | Oct 06 20:59 | |
| scientes | what about "fail"? | Oct 06 20:59 |
| XRevan86 | It's an Ukrainian shift from "on" ("he") spelt Polish-like. | Oct 06 21:00 |
| scientes | ahh I see | Oct 06 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | It shows my gender identity: being a Slav. | Oct 06 21:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 06 21:01 |
| MinceR | how do i show my gender identity as an attack helicopter? | Oct 06 21:01 |
| scientes | XRevan86, what about Ohm? | Oct 06 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The resistance pronoun? | Oct 06 21:03 |
| scientes | yeah | Oct 06 21:03 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 06 21:03 |
| scientes | or rather Ω | Oct 06 21:03 |
| *XRevan86 oddly never saw it being represented as "Ω" | Oct 06 21:04 | |
| XRevan86 | just "Ом" | Oct 06 21:04 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19071840 | Oct 06 21:04 |
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| scientes | hmmmm, I've seen that plenty of times | Oct 06 21:04 |
| MinceR | they dislike the greek alphabet even more than the latin one over there? :> | Oct 06 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Both are widely used scientifically. | Oct 06 21:06 |
| XRevan86 | except here I guess | Oct 06 21:06 |
| XRevan86 | I guess it's because SI units are all translated. | Oct 06 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | Дж for Joules, Гц for Hertz, etc. | Oct 06 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | except for °C | Oct 06 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | in intl. SI unit names °C and Ω are oddballs | Oct 06 21:15 |
| scientes | Гц | Oct 06 21:22 |
| scientes | interesting | Oct 06 21:22 |
| scientes | so does food have "KДж" written on it? | Oct 06 21:22 |
| scientes | for its caloric value? | Oct 06 21:23 |
| MinceR | shouldn't that be кДж? | Oct 06 21:23 |
| XRevan86 | ккал, кДж | Oct 06 21:23 |
| scientes | both? | Oct 06 21:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: yes | Oct 06 21:24 |
| scientes | interesting | Oct 06 21:24 |
| scientes | here in bolivia some food is only sold in imperial pounds | Oct 06 21:24 |
| XRevan86 | sterling? (: | Oct 06 21:24 |
| scientes | hehe | Oct 06 21:25 |
| scientes | Libre | Oct 06 21:25 |
| scientes | Libra | Oct 06 21:25 |
| scientes | <scientes> Libra | Oct 06 21:26 |
| scientes | avoirdupois | Oct 06 21:27 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't know why anyone bothers with "calories" | Oct 06 21:27 | |
| scientes | 4.18 | Oct 06 21:27 |
| scientes | BTU | Oct 06 21:27 |
| *XRevan86 guesses people who count those in their foods picked it up from Usonian magazines or something | Oct 06 21:28 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19071829 | Oct 06 21:28 |
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| MinceR | i don't know why anyone bothers with BTU either :> | Oct 06 21:28 |
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| *XRevan86 didn't know that exists. | Oct 06 21:28 | |
| scientes | BTU is thee same as a calorie | Oct 06 21:28 |
| scientes | like Farenheit, its main claim to fame is being largely first | Oct 06 21:29 |
| MinceR | so far i've only encountered BTUs with relation to air conditioners | Oct 06 21:29 |
| XRevan86 | Inches also have a place in Russia | Oct 06 21:29 |
| XRevan86 | screen sizes | Oct 06 21:29 |
| MinceR | same here | Oct 06 21:29 |
| MinceR | funny thing, they used cm for TVs but then computer displays took over | Oct 06 21:29 |
| MinceR | with inches | Oct 06 21:29 |
| XRevan86 | Let's all thank the US for successfully exporting their progressive units of measurement. | Oct 06 21:30 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_thermal_unit | Oct 06 21:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | British thermal unit - Wikipedia | Oct 06 21:30 | |
| scientes | oh its differnt | Oct 06 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's even worse | Oct 06 21:30 |
| MinceR | horsepower is pretty screwy too | Oct 06 21:31 |
| scientes | XRevan86, oh its very close that's why the confusion | Oct 06 21:31 |
| scientes | one BTU is about 1055 joules. | Oct 06 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | A calorie is to heat 1 gramme of water 1°C | Oct 06 21:32 |
| XRevan86 | A BTU is to heat 1 pound of water 1°F | Oct 06 21:32 |
| scientes | which is pretty horrible | Oct 06 21:32 |
| scientes | cause those are two horrible units | Oct 06 21:32 |
| scientes | mating to produce a third :) | Oct 06 21:32 |
| MinceR | the wikipedia page lists several variants for BTU | Oct 06 21:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: One for each kind of a pound? (: | Oct 06 21:33 |
| scientes | also the Whr | Oct 06 21:33 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Oct 06 21:33 |
| scientes | WHr | Oct 06 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I can only guess the success with screen sizes is due to them being adjusted to make pretty numbers with inches | Oct 06 21:34 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 06 21:35 |
| MinceR | well, except when they aren't | Oct 06 21:35 |
| MinceR | like 15.6" | Oct 06 21:35 |
| MinceR | (or whatever) | Oct 06 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Too late to change %) | Oct 06 21:35 |
| scientes | or 11.6" | Oct 06 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | bait&switch, eh | Oct 06 21:35 |
| scientes | yeah I imagine it would be kinda confusing when your rulers don't have inches on them | Oct 06 21:36 |
| scientes | but its already diagonal so kinda useless | Oct 06 21:36 |
| scientes | nits is a far more useful number | Oct 06 21:36 |
| scientes | resolution + nits | Oct 06 21:36 |
| scientes | "The 1878 Act said that contracts worded in terms of metric units would be deemed by the courts to be made according to the Imperial units defined in the Act, and a table of metric equivalents was supplied so that the Imperial equivalents could be legally calculated." | Oct 06 21:37 |
| scientes | heh | Oct 06 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | It makes perfect sense to define imperial units in SI units, even when one doesn't like SI units. | Oct 06 21:39 |
| XRevan86 | because SI units actually have a lot of metrological effort behind them | Oct 06 21:39 |
| scientes | yeah but this did the opposite | Oct 06 21:39 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Oh, the quote is very confusing. | Oct 06 21:39 |
| scientes | but that was quite a while ago | Oct 06 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | "so that the Imperial equivalents could be legally calculated" | Oct 06 21:40 |
| scientes | before it became clear the metric was going to win | Oct 06 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | because it wasn't obvious (: | Oct 06 21:41 |
| scientes | well, actually the imperial system is so horrible | Oct 06 21:41 |
| scientes | it should have been obvious from the beginning | Oct 06 21:41 |
| XRevan86 | the system that's a pain to use in calculations had a chance to win, right | Oct 06 21:41 |
| scientes | except the liquid measures | Oct 06 21:42 |
| scientes | those are decent | Oct 06 21:42 |
| scientes | its all binary | Oct 06 21:42 |
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| *XRevan86 opened the Wikipedia article on gallons | Oct 06 21:43 | |
| scientes | oh no it isn't | Oct 06 21:43 |
| scientes | damn | Oct 06 21:43 |
| scientes | only after pint | Oct 06 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | three different kinds, oh yea | Oct 06 21:43 |
| scientes | or after teacup | Oct 06 21:44 |
| scientes | oh yeah now i remmber | Oct 06 21:44 |
| scientes | 3 teaspoons == tablespoon | Oct 06 21:44 |
| scientes | and other nonsense | Oct 06 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You're shitting us | Oct 06 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | there's no way that's a thing | Oct 06 21:44 |
| scientes | oh yes there is | Oct 06 21:44 |
| *scientes has cooked with metric recipies | Oct 06 21:44 | |
| scientes | *imperial recipies | Oct 06 21:44 |
| scientes | and 3 teaspoons == 1 tablespoon | Oct 06 21:45 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Recipe books use those here too | Oct 06 21:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I never actually considered them to be actual units of measurement… | Oct 06 21:46 |
| scientes | oh, its a US_specific unit | Oct 06 21:46 |
| scientes | XRevan86, oh yeah, you can buy baker measuring sets | Oct 06 21:46 |
| scientes | that has 1/2 teaspoon, 1/4 teaspoon et cetera | Oct 06 21:46 |
| XRevan86 | maybe here it really isn't, just an approx measurement when you don't really care | Oct 06 21:46 |
| XRevan86 | cooking isn't an exact science | Oct 06 21:47 |
| scientes | well that's the way I cook too | Oct 06 21:47 |
| scientes | "1 pinch of salt" | Oct 06 21:47 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units#Cooking_measures | Oct 06 21:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | United States customary units - Wikipedia | Oct 06 21:47 | |
| scientes | in australia its 4 teaspoons to a tablespoon | Oct 06 21:48 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19071827 | Oct 06 21:48 |
| scientes | see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MeasuringSpoons.jpg | Oct 06 21:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 06 21:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:MeasuringSpoons.jpg - Wikipedia | Oct 06 21:48 | |
| scientes | so it appears the FDA re-defined teaspoon and tablespoon as metric measures | Oct 06 21:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: If something needs this level of precision, it should be defined in litres. | Oct 06 21:50 |
| scientes | well the only place I've had it matter is measuring out the amount of sodium bicarbonate | Oct 06 21:50 |
| scientes | cause if you get that wrong your bread wont rise | Oct 06 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And that's where you recipe should've given you grammes. | Oct 06 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | * your recipe | Oct 06 21:52 |
| XRevan86 | Then you can use your regular weighing scale and get good results with minimum effort. | Oct 06 21:53 |
| scientes | mmmmmmmmm bread machine | Oct 06 21:54 |
| scientes | in south america the bread is cheap, but it also sucks | Oct 06 21:54 |
| scientes | what I would do right now for a proper bagel | Oct 06 21:55 |
| scientes | hmm, the wikipedia article doesn't mention bagels have added gluten | Oct 06 21:58 |
| scientes | oh no, it does | Oct 06 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/Usq9Ysq4eEY every time I see this scene I die a little | Oct 06 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Doctors are rich - YouTube | Oct 06 22:08 | |
| XRevan86 | Meanwhile, in Russia: https://newsru.com/russia/30sep2019/blohina.html | Oct 06 22:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NEWSru.com :: Все детские онкологи крупнейшего в РФ онкоцентра на Каширке увольняются: руководство не дает им работать честно, ставя под угрозу жизни детей | Oct 06 22:14 | |
| XRevan86 | Being a doctor is as prestigious as being a scientist. | Oct 06 22:15 |
| scientes | docttors are the only ones that bought those stupid iWatchesss | Oct 06 22:16 |
| scientes | and now theey sell for $14 on eBay cause no-body in their right mind wants a watch that needs to be recharged and doesn't always display the time | Oct 06 22:17 |
| scientes | only people with too much money wanted a watch that has to be wound up | Oct 06 22:17 |
| MinceR | i would use a smartwatch/fitness tracker if my wrist could tolerate it | Oct 06 22:17 |
| scientes | MinceR, you can get one for $14 on eBay | Oct 06 22:18 |
| scientes | that does blood oxygen, pulse, and blood pressure | Oct 06 22:18 |
| MinceR | i used a fitness tracker for a while | Oct 06 22:18 |
| scientes | or something like that | Oct 06 22:18 |
| scientes | I think pressure is actually too difficult | Oct 06 22:18 |
| MinceR | and then gave up because my wrist would just keep hurting | Oct 06 22:18 |
| scientes | "the walls are covered in mold" | Oct 06 22:19 |
| scientes | geeze | Oct 06 22:19 |
| scientes | yeah I believe the nepotism part | Oct 06 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: $14? An oncologist can buy 18 of those monthly | Oct 06 22:21 |
| scientes | doesn't this whole story sound very similar to stories from the USSR? | Oct 06 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's worse now %) | Oct 06 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | although no one included rich managers stealing all the money in the stories from the USSR | Oct 06 22:22 |
| scientes | this happens in the US all the time however | Oct 06 22:26 |
| scientes | and it is expected | Oct 06 22:26 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: https://youtu.be/NoSdaCWWMts?t=62 | Oct 06 22:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Увольнение детских онкологов. Обращение - YouTube | Oct 06 22:29 | |
| scientes | holey moley | Oct 06 22:30 |
| scientes | yeah that is bad | Oct 06 22:30 |
| XRevan86 | It's a giant controversy right now. Although it is pretty much normal for a regional hospital, in a Moscow cancer centre to find these rotten conditions… | Oct 06 22:32 |
| scientes | the mold | Oct 06 22:32 |
| scientes | I mean | Oct 06 22:32 |
| scientes | It is just really hard to break scandals in the US | Oct 06 22:32 |
| XRevan86 | kids are prescribed respiratory masks | Oct 06 22:32 |
| XRevan86 | it's fine to put then in unventilated chambers with mold | Oct 06 22:33 |
| XRevan86 | them | Oct 06 22:33 |
| scientes | *in Russia | Oct 06 22:33 |
| scientes | yeah but how long did this take to break? | Oct 06 22:33 |
| scientes | and why now is the politics differnt | Oct 06 22:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't really know. | Oct 06 22:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: There's a rising union of doctors, maybe it helped. | Oct 06 22:34 |
| scientes | cause the point is that often the reason some scandel breaks is some power shift | Oct 06 22:34 |
| XRevan86 | after all, it's their YouTube channel | Oct 06 22:34 |
| scientes | or yeah, that is possible | Oct 06 22:34 |
| scientes | is this a patient? https://youtu.be/PQulZbVV5CQ?t=471 | Oct 06 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Уволят одного — уйдём все. Катастрофа в детской онкологии - YouTube | Oct 06 22:35 | |
| scientes | she is so young | Oct 06 22:35 |
| XRevan86 | aspirant | Oct 06 22:35 |
| XRevan86 | in the marrow transplantation section | Oct 06 22:36 |
| XRevan86 | as she introduces herself at the start of the video | Oct 06 22:36 |
| scientes | uggh, why is YouTube such a piece of shit | Oct 06 22:37 |
| scientes | it doesn't take much ram to play a stupid video | Oct 06 22:37 |
| XRevan86 | Doesn't seem possible to timecode invidio.us | Oct 06 22:38 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19070142 | Oct 06 22:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 06 22:44 | |
| scientes | I give a speech in 2 weeks | Oct 06 22:49 |
| scientes | at the LLVM conference | Oct 06 22:49 |
| scientes | https://llvm.org/devmtg/2019-10/talk-abstracts.html#tech1 | Oct 06 22:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-llvm.org | NO TITLE | Oct 06 22:50 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Do you have a "Run GCC" sticker? | Oct 06 22:50 |
| scientes | hehe | Oct 06 22:50 |
| scientes | I use to have some gnu stickers | Oct 06 22:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That's not the same. | Oct 06 22:50 |
| scientes | http://news.mlh.io/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/IMG_1097.jpg | Oct 06 22:51 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: https://shop.fsf.org/sites/default/files/styles/product_zoom/public/productimage-picture-run-gcc-sticker-141.jpg | Oct 06 22:52 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Same design, yes. | Oct 06 22:52 |
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| scientes | it doesn't seem that funny to me | Oct 06 22:54 |
| scientes | TBH, LLVM is just much easier to start hacking with | Oct 06 22:57 |
| scientes | Russian politics is so complicated | Oct 06 22:58 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I'd say it's simpler than the US politics. | Oct 06 23:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: As there's a more clear vertical of oppression. | Oct 06 23:06 |
| scientes | but US politics is all a distraction | Oct 06 23:06 |
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| XRevan86 | all this phony victimisation in the US politics gives me a headache | Oct 06 23:06 |
| XRevan86 | Here it's simple. The state claims doctors get 2 average salaries of the region they're in, doctors get pennies instead, doctors like that not | Oct 06 23:09 |
| XRevan86 | same with teachers, researchers | Oct 06 23:09 |
| scientes | The Us will collapse soon--Putin https://youtu.be/gE2vdzjWaj4?t=233 | Oct 06 23:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Putin Opens Up On Attack on Saudis, Dollar Demise And Danish "Sovereignty" Over Nord Stream 2 - YouTube | Oct 06 23:09 | |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: What makes Russian politics for me easier to understand (except me being in the literal vicinity) is that the good fight is fought over actual things. | Oct 06 23:18 |
| scientes | yep | Oct 06 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | and not over semantics | Oct 06 23:19 |
| scientes | the US is a looney-bin | Oct 06 23:19 |
| MinceR | good things, like the last habitable scraps of land on Earth | Oct 06 23:20 |
| MinceR | and water | Oct 06 23:20 |
| scientes | humans sure like destroying the hand that feeds them | Oct 06 23:21 |
| scientes | or rather, the technosphere does | Oct 06 23:21 |
| MinceR | what is the technosphere? | Oct 06 23:21 |
| scientes | but humans did it before | Oct 06 23:21 |
| scientes | like with many of the large mammels | Oct 06 23:22 |
| scientes | MinceR, the emergent entity of technology | Oct 06 23:22 |
| scientes | when it gains its own momentum | Oct 06 23:22 |
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| MinceR | does that include clueless cultists abusing weapons of mass destruction? | Oct 06 23:22 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What boggles my mind is that a lot of US activists actually think controversies help. | Oct 06 23:23 |
| scientes | they are very angsty people | Oct 06 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | by employing polarising tactics they raise their own enemy | Oct 06 23:24 |
| scientes | XRevan86, you are missing the point | Oct 06 23:25 |
| scientes | its all a distraction | Oct 06 23:25 |
| scientes | to keep people entertained | Oct 06 23:25 |
| scientes | and away from real issues | Oct 06 23:25 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's also impossible to ignore. | Oct 06 23:25 |
| MinceR | there's also the russian government's effort to make people distrust all possible sources of information | Oct 06 23:25 |
| scientes | MinceR, go on? | Oct 06 23:26 |
| scientes | XRevan86, plenty of people do | Oct 06 23:26 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But yes, the status quo in things that matter is very stable in the US. | Oct 06 23:27 |
| MinceR | scientes: fake news and all that | Oct 06 23:27 |
| scientes | except that it is going to collapse | Oct 06 23:27 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They're so used to blatant lying that they cannot shape the truth the way they want it even if they want it. | Oct 06 23:27 |
| MinceR | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-elections-latest-russia-far-right-interference-fake-news-meddling-a8910311.html | Oct 06 23:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Russia and far right spreading disinformation ahead of EU elections, investigators say | The Independent | Oct 06 23:27 | |
| scientes | MinceR, yeah but anyone that wants information the last thing they look at is the news | Oct 06 23:27 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes, that hits it on the nail | Oct 06 23:28 |
| MinceR | scientes: they look at whatever source matches their own agenda | Oct 06 23:28 |
| MinceR | their own bubble | Oct 06 23:28 |
| XRevan86 | It's amazing how incompetent state-backed journalists are at their jobs. | Oct 06 23:28 |
| scientes | yeah but that isn't really their job | Oct 06 23:29 |
| scientes | nepotism is the #1 job | Oct 06 23:29 |
| scientes | so that's why they are bad | Oct 06 23:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I mean their designated jobs %) | Oct 06 23:29 |
| XRevan86 | no, not the job of sucking the state budget dry | Oct 06 23:30 |
| MinceR | sucking taxpayers dry, you mean? :> | Oct 06 23:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: yes | Oct 06 23:30 |
| XRevan86 | in one than one way | Oct 06 23:30 |
| XRevan86 | * in more than one way | Oct 06 23:30 |
| XRevan86 | The designated job of RT, as said by Margarita Simonyan herself, is to spread the Russian perspective on truth to the world. | Oct 06 23:32 |
| scientes | " perspective on truth" | Oct 06 23:32 |
| scientes | nice term | Oct 06 23:32 |
| scientes | RT also is quite a bit about entertainment these days | Oct 06 23:32 |
| MinceR | the perspective being that there is no such thing? :> | Oct 06 23:32 |
| scientes | isn't it called Vesti inside RUssia? | Oct 06 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | I want to find the exact part of an interview when she said that, to make the quote more precise. | Oct 06 23:33 |
| XRevan86 | It's not literally that, but let's just say, I am close (: | Oct 06 23:33 |
| scientes | at least it isn't called Pravda anymore hehe | Oct 06 23:33 |
| XRevan86 | Pravda still exists, it's just no longer a state newspaper. | Oct 06 23:34 |
| scientes | but what a pretentious title, amirite? | Oct 06 23:34 |
| XRevan86 | (there's more than one Pravda, but I focus on the one that's a direct descendant of the Soviet newspaper) | Oct 06 23:34 |
| XRevan86 | The Truth? Pretentious? I'm not seeing it | Oct 06 23:35 |
| scientes | US media is never that pretentious | Oct 06 23:35 |
| scientes | just arogent | Oct 06 23:35 |
| scientes | hmm, Truth is something I've only really seen religions claim | Oct 06 23:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Well, to be honest, it's not as pretentious as it seems. | Oct 06 23:36 |
| scientes | and modern media because they have nothing to report on any more | Oct 06 23:36 |
| XRevan86 | the newspaper and the name traces back to the Imperial times. | Oct 06 23:36 |
| scientes | because all the real news goes against the state | Oct 06 23:36 |
| scientes | oh, interesting | Oct 06 23:36 |
| XRevan86 | it was an underground newspaper | Oct 06 23:37 |
| scientes | but always communist? | Oct 06 23:37 |
| XRevan86 | in a world of hard censorship | Oct 06 23:37 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: yes | Oct 06 23:37 |
| XRevan86 | Though not according to Wikipedia… | Oct 06 23:37 |
| MinceR | "The Truth" in that if we find out you disagree, you're going to the gulag | Oct 06 23:39 |
| scientes | ^^^^ | Oct 06 23:39 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, it was the main paper of the RSDLP(b) | Oct 06 23:39 |
| scientes | that's stalinism for you | Oct 06 23:39 |
| XRevan86 | since 1912 it seems | Oct 06 23:39 |
| scientes | this is the Truth, and you will accept is as so | Oct 06 23:40 |
| XRevan86 | if you disagree you're a tsarist bigot | Oct 06 23:41 |
| MinceR | i thought they preferred to call everyone who disagreed with them a nazi? | Oct 06 23:41 |
| XRevan86 | clinging to the old worker-hating ways | Oct 06 23:41 |
| scientes | they couldn't possibly keep that up the whole time thought, right? | Oct 06 23:41 |
| MinceR | (because they were So Different) | Oct 06 23:41 |
| *scientes read GULAG Archipelago | Oct 06 23:42 | |
| scientes | it was great | Oct 06 23:42 |
| XRevan86 | that was the notion in the earlier days | Oct 06 23:42 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophers%27_ships | Oct 06 23:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Philosophers' ships - Wikipedia | Oct 06 23:43 | |
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| XRevan86 | Since the revolutions polarised the society, there was a big intolerance to wrong opinions. | Oct 06 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | clinging to the old ways | Oct 06 23:44 |
| MinceR | i guess the 'tsarist' speak was before ww2 | Oct 06 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: way before | Oct 06 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | I'm talking 20s | Oct 06 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | Stalin didn't just magically appear | Oct 06 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | and become as extreme as he was | Oct 06 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | saying that someone's an enemy of the state *worked* | Oct 06 23:46 |
| XRevan86 | Back to the name Pravda, pretentious as it is, it was more of a Tradition thing. | Oct 06 23:47 |
| XRevan86 | "Soviets" also makes more sense in a pre-revolution context. | Oct 06 23:48 |
| MinceR | were people councils back then? :> | Oct 06 23:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Think of them as Parliaments | Oct 06 23:50 |
| MinceR | in that case, i will vote by myself, unanimously | Oct 06 23:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The "Soviet" part as I understand it is supposed to show the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" as a working class ruling body the Soviets won over the bourgeoisie Provisional Government | Oct 06 23:55 |
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| XRevan86 | But later in the Stalin's model of the USSR the democratic power of the Soviets is sketchy at best. | Oct 06 23:56 |
| MinceR | sketchy as in existing only on a sketch? :> | Oct 06 23:57 |
| XRevan86 | So I doubt they were the focus of the naming. After all, they really weren't the focus, the Party was. | Oct 06 23:57 |
| XRevan86 | (which actually was renamed after the revolution, albeit decades later) | Oct 06 23:58 |
| MinceR | they renamed their party a few times in hungary | Oct 06 23:58 |
| MinceR | i guess this is where microsoft got their inspiration for | Oct 06 23:58 |
| MinceR | s/for/from/ | Oct 06 23:58 |
| XRevan86 | Well, this renaming was to the point. | Oct 06 23:58 |
| XRevan86 | I guess for simplicity | Oct 06 23:58 |
| XRevan86 | So that instead of copypasting "RSDLP(b)" I could write "CPSU" %) | Oct 06 23:59 |
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