●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, April 07, 2022 ●●
● Apr 07
[00:00]	psydruid	so it's not that black and white
[00:00]	schestowitz-TR	psydruid: Iran?
[00:00]	psydruid	yes
[00:00]	schestowitz-TR	Well, maybe Ural nations
[00:00]	schestowitz-TR	like Balkan and Baltic
[00:00]	schestowitz-TR	all other nations are ahead of Iran
[00:00]	schestowitz-TR	even spain and italy
[00:00]	schestowitz-TR	and greece
[00:02]	immibis	schestowitz-TR: don't be fooled: although people present it as a general principle, they're mainly pissed off about the specific case of nazi-style ideology being censored
[00:02]	schestowitz-TR	immibis: we covered it years ago
[00:02]	schestowitz-TR	many times
[00:03]	schestowitz	also see http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2018/11/06/gab-is-pro-nazis/
[00:03]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Gab is Not a Site That Tolerates Nazis. It is a Nazi Site That Bans People Who Object to Nazism. Its a Censorship Site With a Dangerous Agenda.
[00:05]	schestowitz-TR	In Germany the "banker parties" (or coalition) have this trick of framing any opponents as AfD and thus "nazi"
[00:05]	schestowitz-TR	and then those opinions don't count
[00:05]	schestowitz-TR	or slippery slope to berlin getting blitzed to rubble again
[00:08]	TR News	"Linux files"??? https://www.networkworld.com/article/3656413/2-ways-to-remove-duplicate-lines-from-linux-files.html
[00:08]	TR Bot	 2 ways to remove duplicate lines from Linux files | Network World
[00:08]	schestowitz-TR	me scans *.linux
[00:10]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163437
[00:10]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[00:11]	TR News	"Gulag Analytics has lately been declared illegal in France and Austria." https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/675
[00:11]	TR Bot	 The Plausible(.io) Alternative to Google Analytics
[00:12]	TR News	"In this video, we are looking at Kubuntu 22.04 Beta. Enjoy! For the links and more," https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_UaXrYJUUAg
[00:12]	TR Bot	 Kubuntu 22.04 Beta Run Through - Invidious
[00:12]	schestowitz-TR	psydruid: is that windows video ok?
[00:12]	schestowitz-TR	is the title suitable?
[00:12]	schestowitz-TR	clickbait?
[00:15]	psydruid	my attention got lost again
[00:15]	psydruid	third time's a charm lol
[00:15]	TR News	CIQ and Gulag Clown to Provide Optimized Experience for Rocky Linux | Business Wire https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220406005995/en/CIQ-and-Google-Cloud-to-Provide-Optimized-Experience-for-Rocky-Linux
[00:15]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: businesswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220406005995/en/CIQ-and-Google-Cloud-to-Provide-Optimized-Experience-for-Rocky-Linux https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220406005995/en/CIQ-and-Google-Cloud-to-Provide-Optimized-Experience-for-Rocky-Linux
[00:15]	TR Bot	 CIQ and Google Cloud to Provide Optimized Experience for Rocky Linux | Business Wire
[00:16]	psydruid	I think he explains it OK, but when I hear Windows I lose interest
[00:17]	psydruid	it's a video about all the things I hate in modern computing
[00:17]	psydruid	that's probably why I'm having trouble staying focused 
[00:18]	schestowitz-TR	clown storage?
[00:18]	schestowitz-TR	TPM?
[00:18]	schestowitz-TR	Pluton-crats?
[00:19]	psydruid	he mentions a few of those things
[00:19]	TR News	Videos/Audio: Kubuntu 22.04 Beta, Plausible, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163438
[00:19]	TR Bot	 Videos/Audio: Kubuntu 22.04 Beta, Plausible, and More | Tux Machines
[00:20]	psydruid	but this seems to be a video for Windows users
[00:20]	schestowitz-TR	so that's no good...
[00:20]	psydruid	is he going to cover more Windows now?
[00:20]	schestowitz-TR	it's like another The Linux Gamer -> Bryant talks stuff...
[00:21]	psydruid	Brodie Billson
[00:21]	TR News	Red Hat/Fedora: SystremD, Clown RAN, Rocky Linux, and AlmaLinux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163439
[00:21]	TR Bot	 Red Hat/Fedora: SystremD, Clown RAN, Rocky Linux, and AlmaLinux | Tux Machines
[00:21]	schestowitz-TR	psydruid: seems like an odd topic choice
[00:21]	schestowitz-TR	his audience is quite handcore
[00:21]	schestowitz-TR	and his message seems to be face-saving BS of Microsoft
[00:21]	schestowitz-TR	PR almost
[00:21]	schestowitz-TR	but I did not watch it
[00:21]	schestowitz-TR	he used to get loads of views
[00:21]	psydruid	he could have covered it more from the non-Windows side
[00:22]	schestowitz-TR	not to many recently or past year
[00:22]	schestowitz-TR	but maybe not lack of "content"
[00:22]	schestowitz-TR	but gulagtube hiding "creators" from their subscribers
[00:22]	psydruid	now it's like "what now?"
[00:22]	schestowitz-TR	he's reading techrights
[00:22]	schestowitz-TR	let me check
[00:22]	psydruid	"how does this help me?"
[00:22]	schestowitz-TR	I've just linked to that in TM
[00:23]	schestowitz-TR	he always gives overview at the starthis videos are scripted
[00:23]	schestowitz-TR	and the summaries full of typos
[00:24]	schestowitz	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8hihk3UC3Ig
[00:24]	TR Bot	 Has Windows 11 Adoption Really Stopped? - Invidious
[00:24]	schestowitz	so he slags off MSM
[00:24]	schestowitz	for being NOT pro-Microsoft????
[00:24]	schestowitz	LOL!!!!!!
[00:24]	schestowitz	So media does not, for a change, repeat Microsoft lies
[00:24]	schestowitz	and he mocks them for it
[00:24]	schestowitz	ok, I've had enough
[00:25]	schestowitz	he comments on the same article I did a video on 2 days ago
[00:25]	schestowitz	so he's being pro-MIcrosoft contrarian
[00:25]	schestowitz	boo
[00:25]	schestowitz-TR	btw, techradar
[00:25]	psydruid	what is his agenda?
[00:25]	schestowitz-TR	in that article
[00:25]	schestowitz-TR	which he shows
[00:25]	schestowitz-TR	and I too shows
[00:25]	schestowitz-TR	it's pro-Microsoft lies
[00:25]	schestowitz-TR	from first paragraph
[00:25]	schestowitz-TR	and the top is all Microsoft ads
[00:25]	schestowitz-TR	it's Microsoft-sponsored rag
[00:25]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, he loses points
[00:26]	schestowitz-TR	for going out of his way to defend Micerosoft
[00:26]	schestowitz-TR	very poor taste
[00:26]	schestowitz-TR	like there's nothing else for him to cover
[00:26]	psydruid	no one is saying that GNU/Linux will take over any time now
[00:26]	psydruid	but the evolution is clear
[00:27]	psydruid	every year is the year of the Linux machine
[00:27]	schestowitz	my response: http://techrights.org/2022/04/04/windows-floundering/
[00:27]	TR Bot	 6 Months After Vista 11s Official Release the Market Share of Windows Falls to 28% (All-Time Low) | Techrights
[00:27]	schestowitz	to the same article
[00:27]	psydruid	and there is no stopping that
[00:27]	schestowitz	should I delete him from RSS?
[00:27]	schestowitz	lket's call it strike 1
[00:27]	psydruid	3 strikes and he's out
[00:28]	schestowitz-TR	yes, 2 more then
[00:28]	psydruid	I don't find gulagtube creators to be reliable in any case
[00:28]	TR News	"Thank You Bosch, this angle grinder is brand new. It has never worked, because there seems to a production error/the small gear is loose / not attached to the drive shaft, so the electric motor can not drive the gearbox." https://dwaves.de/2022/04/06/bosch-angle-grinder-flex-pws-9-125-ce-products-clearly-suffering-from-lack-of-quality-made-in-hungary-and-maybe-even-china-3-603-c99-a01/
[00:28]	TR Bot	Bosch Angle Grinder Flex PWS 9-125 CE Products clearly suffering from lack of Quality Made in Hungary and maybe even China 3 603 C99 A01 | dwaves.de
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR	#gatespartner
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR	in youtube
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR	bill is angle
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR	wanna become gates partner now?
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR	you can hitch a plan
[00:29]	psydruid	they'll just swing whatever way gives them more viewers and revenue
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR	just don't be too old
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR	bill likes "rich people"
[00:30]	schestowitz-TR	 bill is angle > bill is single
[00:30]	schestowitz-TR	officially divorced a few months back
[00:30]	schestowitz-TR	the wife said she divorced due to epstein
[00:30]	schestowitz-TR	gulagtube pushes gates ads
[00:30]	schestowitz-TR	with him talking
[00:30]	psydruid	bill likes looking at things from all angles
[00:30]	schestowitz-TR	in his small voicet
[00:30]	schestowitz-TR	they push this in rianne's face
[00:30]	schestowitz-TR	she skips this but not before laughing at this weirdo
[00:31]	schestowitz-TR	gulagtube is compromised
[00:31]	schestowitz-TR	if we had no invidious, I'd not subescribe to anything at all
[00:34]	TR News	Monado accepted in GSoC 2022! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163419#comment-33294
[00:34]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[00:34]	psydruid	I use a locally installed frontend to gulagtube
[00:34]	psydruid	so I never see any ads
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	we don't know what wiull happen next
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	we only know it'll get worse
[00:35]	MinceR	(cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-1.jpg
[00:35]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-1.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-1.jpg
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	for us
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	and better for advertisers
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	in the interest of monet generation
[00:36]	schestowitz-TR	which means any link to "tweets" and youtube videos today will become worse in the future
[00:36]	schestowitz-TR	I assume yewtu.be won't last long
[00:36]	schestowitz-TR	all those links will break
[00:36]	psydruid	creators should have contingency plans to host their videos elsewhere
[00:36]	schestowitz-TR	the moment gulag lawyers decide "too many" people use it
[00:36]	schestowitz-TR	it is based on .NL
[00:36]	schestowitz-TR	the secon-biggest instance is in .FI
[00:36]	schestowitz-TR	but not so well known
[00:36]	psydruid	but they will probably lose that sweet revenue
[00:36]	TR News	Linux Foundation on Red Hat in AGL http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163439#comment-33293
[00:36]	TR Bot	 Red Hat/Fedora: SystremD, Clown RAN, Rocky Linux, and AlmaLinux | Tux Machines
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR	wait and watch gulag taking on invidious 
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR	in court or just threats
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR	like youtube-dl
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR	the cartel will do itr
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR	invidious has download buittons
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR	they'll say it's used for 'piracy'
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR	never mind hos bloody easy it is to rip gulagtube vids regardless
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR	if you can playback the stuff, you can store it
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR	unless they mess about with DRM some more
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR	even then you could bypass it
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR	DRM is a lost cause
[00:39]	schestowitz	YouTube ripper
[00:39]	schestowitz	https://y2mate.is/en65/
[00:39]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: y2mate.is | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://y2mate.is/en65/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://y2mate.is/en65/
[00:39]	TR Bot	 Youtube Downloader - Convert & Download Youtube Videos - Y2Mate
[00:39]	schestowitz	this one still works 
[00:39]	schestowitz	but you can use invidious
[00:39]	schestowitz	derek taylor said one linux channel got banned
[00:39]	schestowitz	before MANY years ago it made a video on using torrents in gnu/linux
[00:39]	schestowitz	like, if you want to get ISOs
[00:39]	schestowitz	and now gulag thinks videos about bittorrent are in violation
[00:40]	schestowitz	and retroactively applies these rules to very old videos
[00:40]	schestowitz	then punishes old channels
[00:40]	schestowitz	the gulagapalyse will be fun 
[00:40]	schestowitz	lots of people will get very, very pissed
[00:40]	schestowitz	about their 'free' hosting
[00:41]	schestowitz-TR	they already lost tons of traffic
[00:41]	schestowitz-TR	hours ago rianne was binging on gulagtube
[00:41]	schestowitz-TR	and they recommend to her movies and things
[00:41]	schestowitz-TR	hollywood stuff
[00:41]	schestowitz-TR	so it's like she's watching TV
[00:42]	schestowitz-TR	at leasdt librewolf blocks all the ads
[00:42]	schestowitz-TR	"Creators" = serfs, slaves
[00:42]	schestowitz-TR	"gig economy"
[00:44]	TR News	"Every single time you make a merger, somebody is losing his identity. And saying something different is just rubbish." gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2021-01-02.gmi
[00:44]	psydruid	free hosting doesn't exist
[00:44]	TR News	"I guess the main point I'm trying to make is that a big company ain't good, and that a good, small-to-mediumsized company is constantly on a knife's edge between going bankrupt and growing to being a big bad company." gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2021-01-02.gmi
[00:44]	schestowitz-TR	psydruid: right
[00:44]	psydruid	I still don't get how charging for bandwidth works
[00:44]	schestowitz-TR	I called it "free lunch"
[00:44]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/no-free-lunch/
[00:44]	TR Bot	 Waiting for the Boat to Sink or Disembarking Early | Techrights
[00:45]	schestowitz	"no free lunch"
[00:45]	psydruid	you pay for the infrastructure and maintenance
[00:45]	schestowitz	today we published a talk about ipv43
[00:45]	schestowitz	and how there's nolw ipv4 tax
[00:45]	psydruid	why pay for bandwidth?
[00:45]	schestowitz	if you want hosting you pay or get subcharged for the ip address
[00:45]	psydruid	I don't pay for bandwidth at home
[00:45]	schestowitz	ipv4 addresses have gotten expensive
[00:45]	psydruid	I pay for electricity
[00:45]	schestowitz	the users pay for b/w
[00:46]	schestowitz	through ISPs
[00:46]	schestowitz	the ISPs then try to charge premiums from DCs
[00:46]	schestowitz	double diipping
[00:46]	schestowitz	south korea wanted netflix (shit) to pay levied
[00:46]	schestowitz	for traffic
[00:46]	schestowitz	but koreans already pay for the traffic
[00:46]	schestowitz	and the country has the world's fast internet
[00:46]	schestowitz	*fastest
[00:46]	schestowitz	(last I checked)
[00:47]	schestowitz	if more people self-host
[00:47]	schestowitz	they will pin-point the world examples
[00:47]	schestowitz	like immibis does with actual nazis
[00:47]	schestowitz	and then start a FUD campaign
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[00:47]	schestowitz	about how everything must be in the DC ("the clown")
[00:47]	schestowitz	and we should all be "consumers" with apps
[00:47]	schestowitz	and no real local storage
[00:48]	schestowitz	"pedophile" somnething...
[00:48]	schestowitz	at bthe moment not many people host from home
[00:48]	schestowitz	so we get ignored or spared
[00:49]	TR News	"I watch youtubewatch, not browse. I watch a selection of channels that I know have quality content, using mpv + invidious. Browsing youtube, even with a privacy-protecting frontend, is a recipe for slowly decaying your brain." gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2021-01-08.gmi
[00:49]	psydruid	I'm wondering if this one of the underlying reasons for the lack of more powerful ARM hardware outside of phones, servers and Apple computers
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[00:49]	schestowitz-TR	is that truly the case?
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[00:49]	schestowitz-TR	the bottleneck is upload speeds
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	the ADSL keeps the upload throughput artificially low
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	and high latency
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[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	for things like IRC
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	streaming videos is OK
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	latency not an issue
[00:50]	psydruid	I mean the DC thing
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	but throughput a major barrier
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	even ipfs struggles on residential connections
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	all the dht traffic
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	I have to run traffic shaping at home
[00:51]	psydruid	I don't want anything in a DC unless I choose for it to be in one
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	DCs are getting more expensive
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	speaking of work, we work with bytemark
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	and they do price hikes
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	citing "electricity"
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	as if the main cost is energy
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	not support and maintenance
[00:51]	psydruid	what if you had a 1gbps symmetrical connection?
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	not sure about "clown" companies
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	but I heard they too insanely increase prices
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	just mention "ukraine" or "covid" somethingf
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	consumer goes, "OK, well... I guess I can spare a few more pounds a month"
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	psydruid: then I could get lots done
[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	I can still get fibre here
[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	maybe next year I'll try again
[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	tbh, for video uploads I don't need it anymore
[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	because it takes longer to encode than to upload
[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	and I do both in parallel
[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	using progressive rsync
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[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	Ariadne taught me this trick
[00:54]	schestowitz-TR	when she copies across the DB of tuxmachines
[00:54]	schestowitz-TR	and then passes just the differences
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[00:54]	schestowitz-TR	for linear data this works well
[00:54]	schestowitz-TR	like if you only add stuff to the tail of files
[00:55]	psydruid	that's a nice feature
[00:55]	schestowitz-TR	in webm videos at the end of encoding it adds bits to the start
[00:55]	schestowitz-TR	to indicate total length/size
[00:55]	schestowitz-TR	I'll do some videos about patents soon... after Daily Links
[00:56]	schestowitz-TR	now I can record on one machine while encoding on the other
[00:56]	schestowitz-TR	both can record
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[00:56]	schestowitz-TR	it only takes seconds to pass raw files from one PC to the other
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[00:57]	TR News	xkcd: Linguistics Degree https://xkcd.com/2602/ Source: xkcd
[00:57]	TR Bot	Linguistics Degree
[00:57]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2602/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://xkcd.com/2602/
[00:57]	TR News	xkcd: Childhood Toys https://xkcd.com/2603/ Source: xkcd
[00:57]	TR Bot	Childhood Toys
[00:57]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2603/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://xkcd.com/2603/
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● Apr 07
[01:00]	TR News	UC Berkeley ML pioneer wins top computing gong - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/06/2021_acm_computing_prize/ Source: theregister
[01:00]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/06/2021_acm_computing_prize/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/06/2021_acm_computing_prize/
[01:00]	TR Bot	 UC Berkeley ML pioneer wins top computing gong The Register
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[01:02]	TR News	COVID-19 vaccines exempted? https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1168800/new-clinical-trial-regulation-now-live
[01:02]	TR Bot	 New Clinical Trial Regulation Now Live - Intellectual Property - European Union
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[01:08]	TR News	Microsoft 1990s: let's integrate the Web with the operating system (ActiveX, WMP etc.). Gulag and Gulag-funded Mozilla: let's make the browser like a whole operating system or VM. 30 million lines of code!
[01:08]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163440
[01:08]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[01:12]	bnchs___	gulag
[01:13]	bnchs___	chromebooks is probably the first thin clients we got in this millenia?
[01:13]	bnchs___	BUT NOT THE LAST
[01:14]	schestowitz-TR	they should go extinct
[01:14]	schestowitz-TR	or replaced
[01:14]	schestowitz-TR	now they use bootloaders
[01:14]	schestowitz-TR	to attack general-purpose computing
[01:14]	schestowitz-TR	you buy a laptop
[01:14]	schestowitz-TR	but like with "phones"
[01:14]	schestowitz-TR	they lock you in
[01:14]	schestowitz-TR	only one provider allowed
[01:14]	schestowitz-TR	and 'free' clown
[01:15]	schestowitz-TR	you must upload ALL your files
[01:16]	schestowitz-TR	or they will assume you're a terrorist/pedo
[01:16]	psydruid	they can't control all the markets all of the time
[01:16]	psydruid	but they can try
[01:16]	schestowitz-TR	if you manipulate people
[01:16]	schestowitz-TR	you might
[01:16]	psydruid	and we can make them fail
[01:16]	schestowitz-TR	then you can defame LT
[01:16]	schestowitz-TR	and RMS
[01:16]	schestowitz-TR	and hope to discredit those who stand in the way
[01:16]	schestowitz-TR	like LT saying no to 'secure' boot
[01:18]	psydruid	LT was always going to end up in this position
[01:20]	schestowitz-TR	no sense of humour allowed
[01:20]	schestowitz-TR	no principles
[01:20]	schestowitz-TR	Red Hat Soft decided
[01:20]	schestowitz-TR	for their biggest client
[01:20]	schestowitz-TR	(Pentagon)
[01:21]	schestowitz-TR	US Empire should have control over what billions of device CAN and CANNOT boot
[01:21]	schestowitz-TR	they find a useful idiot
[01:21]	schestowitz-TR	som e Irishman without a CS degree
[01:21]	schestowitz-TR	and then troll LT
[01:21]	schestowitz-TR	and try to threaten him
[01:21]	schestowitz-TR	until it 'worked' in 2018
[01:21]	schestowitz-TR	shortly after ICBM bought the company
[01:22]	schestowitz-TR	then a year later, RMS turn...
[01:22]	schestowitz-TR	first with libel over epstein
[01:22]	schestowitz-TR	1.5 years later a bunch of isms
[01:22]	schestowitz-TR	now we have that same troll here in irc
[01:22]	schestowitz-TR	pretending to be oppressed
[01:22]	schestowitz-TR	while bagging 6-figure salaries
[01:23]	schestowitz-TR	he's also stalking and breaking our sole IRC rule
[01:23]	schestowitz-TR	which is don't threaten people
[01:23]	schestowitz-TR	we made that rule in 2009
[01:23]	schestowitz-TR	it's in the wiki somewhere
[01:24]	psydruid	a pathetic excuse for a human being
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[01:24]	TR Bot	 Links 07/04/2022: Emacs 28.1 and Linux Mint 21 is Named | Techrights
[01:24]	schestowitz-TR	in 2009 is was an ACCESS troll
[01:24]	schestowitz-TR	who were posting naked photos of people
[01:24]	schestowitz-TR	to blackmail them
[01:24]	schestowitz-TR	he was also a seat in board foundation iirc
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR	major internet troll
[01:25]	bnchs___	there has been a spike in trolls
[01:25]	bnchs___	after you published that one article
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR	no idea why companies hire such monsters and mobsters
[01:25]	bnchs___	it just seems too much of a coincidence
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR	but then again, maybe this is EXACTLY what they get hired FOR
[01:25]	psydruid	because they respresent those companies' "values"
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR	heh
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR	they are like the vicious proxy
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR	from the ousdier
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR	Microsoft employes people through agencies to infest reddit
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR	and to attack Microsoft critics there
[01:26]	bnchs___	do they bribe the mods there?
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR	it's cheaper than paying fines for crimes Microsoft commits
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs___: yes
[01:26]	bnchs___	you can literally get shadowbanned for saying some things in reddits
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR	[23:29] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/
[01:26]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR	they also bribe reddit itself
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR	to promote MSIE and Bill Gates
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR	it's a corrupt site
[01:27]	psydruid	I have -99 karma
[01:27]	schestowitz-TR	reddit should be banned mentally
[01:27]	schestowitz-TR	it's a SPAM site
[01:27]	bnchs___	they shadowban you after a while
[01:27]	schestowitz-TR	like "Russian propaagnda"
[01:27]	schestowitz-TR	but for Microsoft
[01:27]	bnchs___	if they decide you speak too much
[01:27]	bnchs___	but you don't violate any terms
[01:27]	schestowitz-TR	yeah
[01:27]	psydruid	because I wasn't praising AMD enough
[01:27]	schestowitz-TR	even the "Linux" mods
[01:27]	schestowitz-TR	criticising crime is BAD
[01:28]	schestowitz-TR	criticising crime is off-putting to their advertisers
[01:28]	psydruid	but I learned something because of that
[01:28]	bnchs___	shadowbanning is the worst practice social control media uses
[01:28]	bnchs___	you should be aware that you're banned
[01:28]	schestowitz-TR	reddit has had pro-Microsoft mobs slandering me for 15 years
[01:28]	psydruid	AMD is even more of a cult than Intel
[01:28]	schestowitz-TR	some are Microsoft employees
[01:29]	psydruid	"muh games"
[01:29]	schestowitz	bnchs___: http://techrights.org/2015/05/28/reddit-censorship/
[01:29]	TR Bot	 Censorship on Reddit Has Gotten (Cond) Nasty and Silent, Even Actively Silenced | Techrights
[01:29]	schestowitz	7 years ago
[01:29]	schestowitz	before people used the term shadowbanning
[01:29]	bnchs___	lol
[01:29]	bnchs___	you see mods mass-deleting comments
[01:29]	bnchs___	like if you look at a comment section of some thread
[01:29]	schestowitz	'hacker' noise is the same
[01:29]	bnchs___	you see tons of [removed]
[01:30]	schestowitz	very similar type of censorship in  'hacker' noise (HN)
[01:30]	schestowitz	they sanitise the world
[01:30]	schestowitz	for your own 'protection'
[01:30]	schestowitz	"toxicity"
[01:30]	schestowitz	crime is not toxic
[01:30]	schestowitz	reaction to crime is "toxic"
[01:30]	schestowitz	we need to make the world look better
[01:30]	schestowitz	protect the criminal
[01:30]	schestowitz	prevent people knowing about the crimes
[01:31]	bnchs___	if i remember
[01:31]	bnchs___	shadowbanning was implemented in truth social
[01:31]	bnchs___	which was a fork of mastodon or something
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[01:31]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163442
[01:31]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[01:31]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[01:31]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs___: all socikal contreol media is like that
[01:32]	schestowitz-TR	just avoid ir
[01:32]	schestowitz-TR	*it
[01:32]	schestowitz-TR	it's govern not by free hosters
[01:32]	schestowitz-TR	but by people looking to exercise control over others
[01:32]	psydruid	shadowbanning the shadowbanners sounds like fun
[01:32]	schestowitz-TR	through their speech of lack thereof
[01:32]	schestowitz-TR	they use their 'free' hosting to drive agenca
[01:32]	schestowitz-TR	*agenda
[01:32]	bnchs___	alternative frontends though?
[01:33]	bnchs___	there's either teddit (uses node.js but source hosted in codeberg)
[01:33]	psydruid	alternative protocols and servers
[01:33]	bnchs___	or libreddit (uses rust but source hosted in shithub)
[01:33]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs___: they are all centralised
[01:33]	psydruid	Lemmy
[01:34]	schestowitz-TR	it's the wrong way to go about
[01:34]	schestowitz-TR	Lemmy also
[01:34]	schestowitz-TR	centralised
[01:34]	bnchs___	psydruid, do not make me drag out the quotes
[01:34]	schestowitz-TR	and controlled by few tyrants
[01:34]	psydruid	Notabug
[01:34]	bnchs___	about Lemmy
[01:34]	schestowitz-TR	wordpress.com and blogspot also pose a risk
[01:34]	psydruid	Lemmy Kilminster
[01:34]	schestowitz-TR	they do in fact censor
[01:34]	bnchs___	"Ill have to think about this. Hard-coding it means I dont have to do a database migration every time someone comes up with a new slur. And putting it in a DB table means someone could very easily remove it by deleting every row of that table, which isnt good. I want to make it very difficult for racist trolls to use the most updated version of Lemmy."
[01:34]	schestowitz-TR	and they 'dox'
[01:35]	bnchs___	they (once) hard-coded their slur filter
[01:35]	bnchs___	to make it hard for "trolls" to remove it
[01:35]	bnchs___	"We are never going to remove the slur filter completely (or add an option to that effect), because we dont want to make it easy for right-wingers to use Lemmy. We can talk about removing or changing specific words, but in general I dont think there is anything wrong with writing "b*tch" or something like that."
[01:35]	psydruid	lol
[01:35]	schestowitz-TR	trolls can work around vocabularies
[01:35]	schestowitz-TR	and still be offensive
[01:35]	schestowitz-TR	no lists or "Hey Hi" can fix that
[01:35]	bnchs___	"because we dont want to make it easy for right-wingers to use Lemmy"
[01:36]	bnchs___	lets admit it, they're as controlled as twitter is anyway
[01:36]	psydruid	
[01:36]	bnchs___	"outside of corporate control and meddling."
[01:36]	schestowitz-TR	technically it's their site
[01:36]	schestowitz-TR	they're not a punlic tiliuty
[01:36]	schestowitz-TR	utility
[01:37]	bnchs___	yeah but it's a "federated link aggregator"
[01:37]	bnchs___	https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy
[01:37]	TR Bot	- LemmyNet/lemmy: Building a federated link aggregator in rust
[01:37]	bnchs___	and yet they like to pull shit like hardcoding the filter
[01:37]	schestowitz-TR	federated means more than one tyrant
[01:37]	schestowitz-TR	but if everyone got their own blog
[01:37]	schestowitz-TR	than people would govern themselves
[01:37]	schestowitz-TR	and no tyrants would get in between
[01:37]	schestowitz-TR	they cannot intercept and thwart RSS requests
[01:38]	schestowitz-TR	they also use shithub
[01:38]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, bbiab
[01:38]	psydruid	time to fork it 
[01:38]	schestowitz-TR	social control media = dead end
[01:38]	schestowitz-TR	more people will realise it over time
[01:38]	bnchs___	fork it?
[01:38]	bnchs___	https://github.com/innereq/lenny
[01:38]	TR Bot	- innereq/lenny: ( ) A more user-respectful fork of Lemmy. Created for https://derpy.email.
[01:38]	bnchs___	this is a fork, which removed the slur filter entirely
[01:39]	bnchs___	https://moonbutt.science/innereq/lenny (non-shithub mirror)
[01:39]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: moonbutt.science | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://moonbutt.science/innereq/lenny https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://moonbutt.science/innereq/lenny
[01:39]	TR Bot	 innereq/lenny: Mirror of https://github.com/innereq/lenny. - lenny - Moonbutt Science Labs
[01:47]	schestowitz-TR	moon butt
[01:48]	bnchs___	they're a bunch of bronies
[01:51]	XRevan86	It's a small world.
[01:55]	XRevan86	schestowitz: And it is indeed a Princess Luna reference from the pony show.
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[02:02]	bnchs___	i never got them as much as furries
[02:05]	XRevan86	bnchs___: The former is a fanbase, the latter is an aesthetic.
[02:06]	bnchs___	well that makes sense
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[02:15]	schestowitz-TR	wasm't furries some TV creatures thing?
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR	the term seemsto have made a comeback
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR	with another meaning altogether
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR	the troll from irc used this term to falsely isinuates that rust critics are just "transsphobic"
[02:17]	schestowitz-TR	even critics who neither know about any of that "aspect" nor deal with it on an ad hominem basis
[02:17]	XRevan86	"wasm't furries some TV creatures thing?" <- Furbies? :)
[02:17]	schestowitz-TR	instead focusing on technical and legal problems
[02:17]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: yes
[02:17]	schestowitz-TR	very low-quality show
[02:17]	schestowitz-TR	or movies
[02:17]	XRevan86	No, it's actually a toy.
[02:17]	schestowitz-TR	not my generation
[02:17]	schestowitz-TR	maybe 90s
[02:18]	XRevan86	But seems like it's a franchise too with films and stuff.
[02:18]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furby
[02:18]	TR Bot	 Furby - Wikipedia
[02:18]	schestowitz	(19982001)
[02:18]	schestowitz	they look like gizo the gremlin
[02:18]	schestowitz	gizmo
[02:19]	schestowitz	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=B-uYP8o-gvY
[02:19]	TR Bot	 Gizmo Heaven - Invidious
[02:19]	XRevan86	schestowitz: I used to think it's the same thing :)
[02:20]	schestowitz	looks modeled similarly
[02:20]	schestowitz-TR	the microwave scene always scared me
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[02:20]	schestowitz-TR	they toss tons of silverware in it
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[02:20]	schestowitz-TR	and cause explosions
[02:20]	schestowitz-TR	the bad gremlins
[02:20]	schestowitz-TR	I was a kid
[02:20]	schestowitz-TR	and microwaves were quite new in residential use
[02:21]	schestowitz-TR	so you think you have some sort of "bomb" in the house
[02:21]	XRevan86	Anyway, obviously in both cases the root is "fur".
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[02:24]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/2022/04/06/1091018301/student-loan-pause-extended
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[02:25]	TR Bot	 The student loan pause has been extended through Aug. 31 : NPR
[02:25]	DaemonFC	The repayment "freeze" does not punish "responsible borrowers".
[02:25]	DaemonFC	In fact, if they have the money to pay anything right now, it all goes to principle since the interest rate is at 0%.
[02:26]	bnchs	decided to register my username
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[02:27]	XRevan86	It is weird to see when bronies are compared to furries, because the similarities are not there. Even in the latest feature film (G5) the CGI ponies have a spongy texture to them, even the CGI is not fur-y.
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[02:28]	XRevan86	* similarities are not many
[02:29]	bnchs	XRevan86, cgi ponies?
[02:29]	bnchs	wtf
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[02:30]	XRevan86	bnchs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Little_Pony:_A_New_Generation
[02:30]	TR Bot	 My Little Pony: A New Generation - Wikipedia
[02:30]	bnchs	ok that is something that i have not been aware of
[02:30]	bnchs	and horrifying
[02:30]	XRevan86	"and horrifying" <- It's actually a success.
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[02:32]	bnchs	really?
[02:32]	XRevan86	Indeed, they really tried.
[02:33]	schestowitz-TR	>> | My Little Pony: A New Generation - Wikipedia
[02:33]	schestowitz-TR	sounds a litle kinky
[02:33]	schestowitz-TR	either because it refers to a man's thing
[02:33]	schestowitz-TR	or punani
[02:33]	schestowitz-TR	buit a man would not say "little"
[02:33]	schestowitz-TR	either way, they raise kids of some odd things
[02:33]	schestowitz-TR	I once heard a theory about this
[02:33]	schestowitz-TR	softening kids
[02:34]	schestowitz-TR	so that they will never wage resistance
[02:34]	schestowitz-TR	like unite and fight the ruling class
[02:34]	schestowitz-TR	singing, clapping and drink clcohol instead
[02:35]	kingoffrance	that was brave new world "soma"  elixir of life -- alchemy lol
[02:35]	kingoffrance	all anxities taken care of, ... -- network speech about "the world is a business"
[02:35]	kingoffrance	*"network" movie
[02:35]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Them kids don't watch enough anime?
[02:35]	bnchs	anime?
[02:36]	kingoffrance	it was said 1984 was different, brave new world is people will be distracted, noone will care
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[02:36]	kingoffrance	1984 was fear perhaps, brave new world was drugged into a stupor of happiness
[02:36]	XRevan86	bnchs: schestowitz complains that cartoons don't have enough of a punch.
[02:36]	bnchs	yeah and
[02:37]	kingoffrance	so many people say the brave new world model won out over the 1984 "fear" LOL
[02:38]	XRevan86	bnchs: Surely ~Avatar: The Last Airbender~ Evangelion has enough to emotionally scar a whole classroom of children.
[02:38]	bnchs	i never watched anime that much
[02:38]	bnchs	really never watched it
[02:39]	XRevan86	bnchs: Obvious advice would be JoJo.
[02:39]	bnchs	ok now jojo sounds worse
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[02:40]	XRevan86	bnchs: Ghost in the Shell then since we're talking about cyberpunk.
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[02:41]	bnchs	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_(1995_film)
[02:41]	TR Bot	 Ghost in the Shell (1995 film) - Wikipedia
[02:41]	bnchs	look at that cover
[02:42]	bnchs	let me guess
[02:42]	bnchs	it's porn?
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[02:43]	XRevan86	bnchs: Does it say "porn" in the description?
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[02:43]	bnchs	no?
[02:43]	XRevan86	bnchs: Then it's not porn.
[02:44]	XRevan86	It does have occasional light nudity though.
[02:45]	XRevan86	So not for kids, so they're doomed to being softened so that they will never wage resistance, like unite and fight the ruling class :).
[02:45]	kingoffrance	i did once see an article about "softening" kids to prevent bullying/fighting, and they claimed it "works" but im kinda...too lazy to dig it up...it was advocating it. and perhaps mixing ages (not sure how i feel about that -- obv age-based is counter to "merit").
[02:45]	bnchs	hmmmm
[02:45]	bnchs	i do rmember something
[02:45]	kingoffrance	its kind of like outsourcing, you train your replacement.  they did/do try to train older to teach younger, makes you wonder what the teachers purpose is
[02:45]	bnchs	this inspired matrix?
[02:45]	kingoffrance	neuromancer ^^^
[02:46]	XRevan86	bnchs: Sounds about right.
[02:46]	kingoffrance	matrix is mother -- isis :)
[02:47]	XRevan86	I absolutely can recommend Avatar: The Last Airbender for all ages though. It's insane how well that cartoon is done.
[02:48]	XRevan86	It's not even a take, it's universally accepted (:
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[02:50]	bnchs	i remember something
[02:50]	bnchs	something called friz the cat?
[02:50]	XRevan86	bnchs: The what?
[02:51]	bnchs	friz the cat?
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[02:52]	XRevan86	Black comedy, I see.
[02:53]	bnchs	i remember seeing it on some movie night, and didn't remember the name until now
[02:54]	kingoffrance	the theory of mixing ages then, is if someone picks on younger person, an older grade person hovers over them lol
[02:55]	kingoffrance	so its basically assuming older people will defend younger 
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[03:03]	AdmFubar1	fritz the cat
[03:04]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cast-iron_cookware
[03:04]	TR Bot	 Cast-iron cookware - Wikipedia
[03:04]	schestowitz	"An American Dietetic Association study found that cast-iron cookware can leach significant amounts of dietary iron into food. The amounts of iron absorbed varied greatly depending on the food, its acidity, its water content, how long it was cooked, and how old the cookware is. The iron in spaghetti sauce increased 845 percent (from 0.61 mg/100g to 5.77 mg/100g), while other foods increased less dramatically; for example, the iron in cornbread 
[03:04]	schestowitz	increased 28 percent, from 0.67 to 0.86 mg/100g.[18] Anemics, and those with iron deficiencies, may benefit from this effect,[19] which was the basis for the development of the lucky iron fish, an iron ingot used during cooking to provide dietary iron to those with iron deficiency. People with hemochromatosis (iron overload, bronze disease) should avoid using cast-iron cookware because of the iron leaching effect into the food.[20]"
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[03:07]	AdmFubar1	hhmmm I wonder if my cousin is using  cast iron cookware..... will have tio ask
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[03:09]	AdmFubar1	my neighbors house caught fire tonight... family is all ok which is good news... not sure how badly damaged the house is..
[03:09]	schestowitz	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CvvLbGS6AaM
[03:09]	TR Bot	 Chelsea vs Real Madrid 13 - Extndd Hghlghts & All Gals 2022 HD - Invidious
[03:09]	schestowitz	AdmFubar1: how did the fire start?
[03:10]	schestowitz	AdmFubar1: I'm researching how much rust in a pot or kettle is too much
[03:10]	schestowitz	a lot of pottery rusts a bit, eventually...
[03:24]	schestowitz-TR	something leaks tons of ram in kde neon, but I suspect it's the browser
[03:24]	schestowitz-TR	some web thing via firefox
[03:24]	schestowitz-TR	hard to figure out how to redeem lost RAM
[03:24]	schestowitz-TR	but I never saw it so severe before
[03:38]	AdmFubar1	don't know... I was returning from dinner and saw emergency vehicles in the distance.. thought I'd be seeing them up a side streen nearby.. only to see wom head up my street. :O
[03:39]	AdmFubar1	this iron bis.... that doesn't seem right.. is it leaching out through the polymerized coating?
[03:40]	schestowitz	"A poorly-coded SPA can easily eat up megabytes or even gigabytes of memory, continuing to gobble up more"
[03:40]	schestowitz	this is so annoying
[03:40]	schestowitz	the web is ruining the whole OS
[03:40]	schestowitz	draining RAM 
[03:41]	schestowitz	old: A poorly-coded SPA can easily eat up megabytes or even gigabytes of memory, continuing to gobble up more
[03:41]	schestowitz	https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/03/gnome-shell-has-a-memory-leak-and-it-might-not-be-fixed-for-ubuntu-18-04-lts
[03:41]	TR Bot	 Umm, GNOME Shell Has a Rather Big Memory Leak - OMG! Ubuntu!
[03:41]	AdmFubar1	ray: did you install any gtk dependencies into your system? I had an issue with that.. and it loaded gnomes indexing service, it at ram and cpu time like crazy. 
[03:41]	AdmFubar1	it ate
[03:42]	schestowitz-TR	yes, it took me a while to detect and stop it on this laptop
[03:42]	schestowitz-TR	but maybe too late
[03:43]	schestowitz-TR	assuming that's the core issue
[03:43]	AdmFubar1	did you stop the kde indexing?
[03:43]	schestowitz-TR	and was tackled...maybe I'll restart and see if that happens again
[03:43]	schestowitz-TR	yes, baloo
[03:44]	schestowitz-TR	nepumok, akonadi, baloo
[03:44]	schestowitz-TR	they keep swapping names of things
[03:44]	AdmFubar1	check the indexing service via the control panel and make sure it is off
[03:44]	schestowitz-TR	it is
[03:44]	AdmFubar1	;)
[03:44]	schestowitz-TR	but I think the damage was done
[03:44]	schestowitz-TR	I've not rebooted this laptop yet
[03:44]	schestowitz-TR	ever
[03:44]	AdmFubar1	yeah you will need a rebood
[03:44]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, I do system update with kernel now
[03:45]	AdmFubar1	reboot too
[03:45]	schestowitz-TR	so reboot would be wise regardless
[03:45]	AdmFubar1	esp after a kernel update
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[04:02]	TR News	When Most Granted Patents (and Fake Growth) Are Just Software Patents and EPO &#8216;Joins the Club | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/granted-patents-pr/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/06/granted-patents-pr/
[04:02]	TR Bot	 When Most Granted Patents (and Fake Growth) Are Just Software Patents and EPO Joins the Club | Techrights
[04:05]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, April 06, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[04:05]	TR Bot	 Bulletin Archives
[04:05]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[04:05]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[04:10]	schestowitz	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D553.jpg
[04:11]	schestowitz	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D195.jpg
[04:12]	TR News	"So, that's it. I've launched a separate section of my capsule which I'll publish in Greek. It is pretty empty right now; I've only put there a few old poems I wrote because I didn't want to have the 'THIS PAGE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK' kind of pages ;-)." gemini://koyu.space/blu256/el.gmi
[04:14]	TR News	Mike Blumenkrantz: Big Marge https://www.supergoodcode.com/big-marge/
[04:14]	TR Bot	 Big Marge Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code.
[04:16]	TR News	Best alternatives of Arduino IDE https://linuxhint.com/arduino/ Source: LinuxHint | GNU | Linux | FreeSW 
[04:16]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: linuxhint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhint.com/arduino/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxhint.com/arduino/
[04:16]	TR Bot	 Best alternatives of Arduino IDE
[04:21]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163443
[04:21]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[04:22]	TR News	Kubernetes Blog: Kubernetes Removals and Deprecations In 1.24 https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/04/07/upcoming-changes-in-kubernetes-1-24/
[04:22]	TR Bot	 Kubernetes Removals and Deprecations In 1.24 | Kubernetes
[04:23]	TR News	"So, the songs are perpetually stuck in rightsholder limbo. No one wants to renegotiate the contracts to make a few cents off streaming." https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/everything-or-nothing.html
[04:23]	TR Bot	 Everything or Nothing: The missing James Bond theme song
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[04:37]	AdmFubar1	this doesn't bode well for ibm   https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/07/ibm_securities_lawsuit/
[04:37]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/07/ibm_securities_lawsuit/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/07/ibm_securities_lawsuit/
[04:37]	TR Bot	 IBM 'misclassified' mainframe sales to enrich executives The Register
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[05:24]	AdmFubar1	was picturing something terminator like... it is more bladrunner like https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/06/shanghai_lockdown_robots/
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[05:24]	TR Bot	 China rolls out bots to enforce COVID lockdown The Register
[05:54]	AdmFubar1	its about time   https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/04/06/file-federal-taxes-free-through-irs/
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[05:54]	TR Bot	You Can File Federal Taxes for Free Through the IRS | Snopes.com
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[06:10]	AdmFubar1	https://hackaday.com/2022/04/05/led-filaments-make-a-retro-clock-without-any-retro-parts/
[06:10]	TR Bot	Filaments Make A Retro Clock Without Any Retro Parts | Hackaday
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[08:14]	TR News	"I have things relatively locked down heremore on homelab security coming soon!but a DDoS isn't something most residential ISPs take too kindly." https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/getting-new-ip-address-dhcp-spectrum-internet
[08:14]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: jeffgeerling.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/getting-new-ip-address-dhcp-spectrum-internet https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/getting-new-ip-address-dhcp-spectrum-internet
[08:14]	TR Bot	 Getting a new IP address via DHCP from Spectrum Internet | Jeff Geerling
[08:14]	TR News	"This article is the first of a four-part series on building your own NAS on FreeBSD. This series will cover: [...]" https://klarasystems.com/articles/building-your-own-freebsd-based-nas-with-zfs/
[08:14]	TR Bot	 Building Your Own FreeBSD-based NAS with ZFS | Klara Inc.
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[08:15]	TR News	NuTyX 22.04.1 Released with Updated Desktops and Cards Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163444
[08:15]	TR Bot	 NuTyX 22.04.1 Released with Updated Desktops and Cards | Tux Machines
[08:17]	TR News	"The /usr merge idea was first raised in "The Case for the /usr Merge" by Lennart Poettering in 2012. It came out of the systemd community, but was not meant to be systemd-specific, though" https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/890219/12423853bab9657d/
[08:17]	TR Bot	still having trouble with merged /usr [LWN.net]
[08:18]	TR News	"We did some testing to develop our own best practices for designing PCB breakaway tabs and published an industry white paper about it." https://www.sparkfun.com/news/4400
[08:18]	TR Bot	PCBs for Science - News - SparkFun Electronics
[08:19]	TR News	"Data types may contain secret information. Some of it can be extracted, some is hidden forever. Were going to get to the bottom of this conspiracy" https://bartoszmilewski.com/2022/04/05/teaching-optics-through-conspiracy-theories/
[08:19]	TR Bot	 Teaching optics through conspiracy theories | Bartosz Milewski's Programming Cafe
[08:19]	TR News	"Though you should expect normalization to be efficient, it is unlikely to be computationally free. Thus you should not repeatedly normalize your strings, as I have done." https://lemire.me/blog/2022/04/05/string-representations-are-not-unique-learn-to-normalize/
[08:19]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: lemire.me | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lemire.me/blog/2022/04/05/string-representations-are-not-unique-learn-to-normalize/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://lemire.me/blog/2022/04/05/string-representations-are-not-unique-learn-to-normalize/
[08:19]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://lemire.me/blog/2022/04/05/string-representations-are-not-unique-learn-to-normalize/ )
[08:21]	TR News	"The fact we're talking about shell scripts for something critical means that the battle for reliability was lost a long time ago." https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2022/04/05/pipe/
[08:21]	TR Bot	 That simple script is still someone's bad day
[08:21]	TR News	"Like computer circuit boards, many American cities are organised in a grid. People flow through them in vast numbers." https://theconversation.com/growing-up-in-a-city-can-harm-your-spatial-skills-new-research-180046
[08:21]	TR Bot	 Growing up in a city can harm your spatial skills new research
[08:22]	TR News	"I was less surprised. We at the Science Media Centre (SMC) had noticed during the pandemic that some universities that were extremely proactive in research communications were missing in action." https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/pandemic-was-missed-opportunity-science-advocacy
[08:22]	TR Bot	 Pandemic a missed opportunity for science advocacy | Times Higher Education (THE)
[08:24]	TR News	normie https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/normie: Source: RobBraxmanTech
[08:24]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/normie: https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/normie:
[08:24]	TR Bot	 10 Signs of a Tech Normie!
[08:24]	TR News	iophk: no penalties yet for those that deploy MS products in production situations https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-state-of-robotics-february-march-2022
[08:24]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-state-of-robotics-february-march-2022 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-state-of-robotics-february-march-2022
[08:24]	TR Bot	State of Robotics February & March 2022 | Ubuntu
[08:26]	TR News	"The BSD stuff was just the product of a different time. Today, a university would try to figure out a way to monetize it and it would end with nobody wanting to use a copy and then everyone forgetting about it." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-060422.html#tApr%2006%2012:53:18
[08:26]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, April 06, 2022
[08:27]	TR News	Clown computing + buzzwords = self-harm https://www.csoonline.com/article/3656788/attackers-create-malware-for-serverless-computing-platforms-like-aws-lambda.html
[08:27]	TR Bot	 Attackers create malware for serverless computing platforms like AWS Lambda | CSO Online
[08:30]	TR News	Biden priority: protect oligarchs https://truthout.org/articles/bidens-2023-budget-could-have-made-child-care-free-instead-it-boosts-police/
[08:30]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/bidens-2023-budget-could-have-made-child-care-free-instead-it-boosts-police/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/bidens-2023-budget-could-have-made-child-care-free-instead-it-boosts-police/
[08:30]	TR Bot	 Biden's 2023 Budget Could Have Made Child Care Free. Instead, It Boosts Police.
[08:31]	TR News	"But those will still be TVs, and this is a monitor." https://www.theverge.com/23011794/alienware-aw3423dw-review-qd-oled-curved-gaming-pc-monitor
[08:31]	TR Bot	 Alienware AW3423DW QD-OLED review: the gaming display to beat - The Verge
[08:34]	TR News	"Now tracking has shifted to what is known as first party tracking." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/technology/online-tracking-privacy.html
[08:34]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/technology/online-tracking-privacy.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/technology/online-tracking-privacy.html
[08:34]	TR Bot	 How Youre Still Being Tracked on the Internet - The New York Times
[08:34]	TR News	"The European Court of Justice (ECJ) ruled today in Luxembourg that general and indiscriminate data retention is inadmissible even for the purpose of combating serious crimes. MEP and civil rights activist Dr. Patrick Breyer (Pirate Party) comments: [...]" https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/patrick-breyer-data-retention-is-dead-stop-trying-to-resurrect-it/
[08:34]	TR Bot	 Patrick Breyer: Data retention is dead. Stop trying to resurrect it! Patrick Breyer
[08:35]	TR News	Zuck's own fakecoins https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/6/23013896/meta-facebook-zuck-bucks-finance-financial-services-products
[08:35]	TR Bot	 Meta is reportedly making Zuck Bucks - The Verge
[08:41]	TR News	Windows TCO https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/3260807-demand-for-cyber-threat-intel-growing-white-house-official-says/
[08:41]	TR Bot	 Demand for cyber threat intel growing, White House official says | The Hill
[08:43]	TR News	"The only problem is that both clips were taken out of context" https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-obama-white-house-visit-biden-1333556/
[08:43]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: rollingstone.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-obama-white-house-visit-biden-1333556/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-obama-white-house-visit-biden-1333556/
[08:43]	TR Bot	 Fox News Doctors Clips of Joe Biden and Barack Obama - Rolling Stone
[08:43]	TR News	"And while there is no evidence that the misinformation campaign has had any discernible effect on the conflict" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/us/politics/ukraine-russia-hackers.html
[08:43]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/us/politics/ukraine-russia-hackers.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/us/politics/ukraine-russia-hackers.html
[08:43]	TR Bot	 Hackers Fake Claims of Ukrainian Surrender Arent Fooling Anyone. So Whats Their Goal? - The New York Times
[08:43]	TR News	"Pinterest will prohibit ads and posts that feature climate misinformation" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/technology/pinterest-climate-misinformation.html
[08:43]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/technology/pinterest-climate-misinformation.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/technology/pinterest-climate-misinformation.html
[08:43]	TR Bot	 Pinterest Bans Climate Misinformation From Posts and Ads - The New York Times
[08:44]	TR News	Twitter = oligarchs' propaganda https://www.searchenginejournal.com/elon-musk-twitter-impact/444860/
[08:44]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: searchenginejournal.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.searchenginejournal.com/elon-musk-twitter-impact/444860/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.searchenginejournal.com/elon-musk-twitter-impact/444860/
[08:44]	TR Bot	 What Does Elon Musk's Twitter Look Like For Digital Marketers?
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[08:48]	TR News	WikiLeaks https://itwire.com/strategy/wikileaks-marks-12-years-since-release-of-collateral-murder-video.html
[08:48]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/strategy/wikileaks-marks-12-years-since-release-of-collateral-murder-video.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://itwire.com/strategy/wikileaks-marks-12-years-since-release-of-collateral-murder-video.html
[08:48]	TR Bot	- WikiLeaks marks 12 years since release of Collateral Murder video
[08:49]	TR News	GulagTube of 2022, unlike 2010, would have immediately suspended Wikileaks' account for uploading the Collateral Murder video. Gulag = imperialism, censorship, oppression, brainwash.
[08:50]	TR News	"Each year, thousands of aspiring truck drivers sign up for training with some of the nations biggest freight haulers." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/business/economy/trucker-training.html
[08:50]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/business/economy/trucker-training.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/business/economy/trucker-training.html
[08:50]	TR Bot	 Truck Drivers On-the-Job Training Can Be Costly if They Quit - The New York Times
[08:50]	TR News	"It's really damaging to the songwriting industry." https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-61006984
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[08:50]	TR Bot	Sheeran wins Shape of You copyright case and hits out at 'baseless' claims - BBC News
[08:52]	TR News	"He claimed Sheerans lawyers brought the legal proceedings" https://www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/ed-sheeran-wins-high-court-copyright-battle-with-sami-switch-over-shape-of-you-3642662
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[08:52]	TR Bot	Sheeran wins High Court copyright battle with Sami Switch over Shape Of You | The Scotsman
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[08:55]	TR News	"The judge found Sheeran had not even heard the Oh Why song before writing his own hit" https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ed-sheeran-copyright-row-shape-of-you-sami-switch-london-b992710.html
[08:55]	TR Bot	 Ed Sheeran wins copyright battle with Sami Switch over Shape Of You | Evening Standard
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[08:55]	TR News	The use of the first four notes of the rising minor pentatonic scale for the melody is so short, simple, commonplace and obvious in the context of the rest of the song" https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/ed-sheeran-wins-copyright-lawsuit-in-the-uk/
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[08:55]	TR Bot	 Ed Sheeran wins copyright lawsuit in the UK - Music Business Worldwide
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[09:01]	SomeH4x0r	In videogames at least, people talk about "supporting the developer" by "buying" a game, however for the games I like, I want the developers (when they are the same people as the publisher) better to be dead, so that they don't attack people with copyright shit
[09:01]	SomeH4x0r	though gamedev is long dead for me
[09:03]	activelow	pardon?
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[09:07]	SomeH4x0r	I'm unable to enjoy most newer games (as they at least won't run on my hardware), physical copies are now rare, and updates bring shit often
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[09:09]	TR News	Cory Doctorow https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/06/open-minds-podcast-cory-doctorow/
[09:09]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: creativecommons.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/06/open-minds-podcast-cory-doctorow/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/06/open-minds-podcast-cory-doctorow/
[09:09]	TR Bot	 Open Minds Podcast: Cory Doctorow, Science Fiction Author, Journalist and Tech Activist - Creative Commons
[09:09]	TR News	"We are pleased to present the 2021 Creative Commons State of the Commons Annual Report." https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/05/2021-annual-report/
[09:09]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: creativecommons.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/05/2021-annual-report/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/05/2021-annual-report/
[09:09]	TR Bot	 Creative Commons 2021 State of the Commons Annual Report - Creative Commons
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[09:12]	TR News	Social control media is a passing fad https://truthout.org/articles/two-of-the-brains-behind-trumps-failing-social-media-company-abruptly-resign/
[09:12]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/two-of-the-brains-behind-trumps-failing-social-media-company-abruptly-resign/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/two-of-the-brains-behind-trumps-failing-social-media-company-abruptly-resign/
[09:12]	TR Bot	 Two of the "Brains" Behind Trump's Failing Social Media Company Abruptly Resign
[09:13]	TR News	Putin destroyed evidence of Nazi crimes: Meduza talks to historian Gregory Aimaro-Parmut about the destruction of Chernihivs SBU archive https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/putin-destroyed-evidence-of-nazi-crimes
[09:13]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/putin-destroyed-evidence-of-nazi-crimes https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/putin-destroyed-evidence-of-nazi-crimes
[09:13]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[09:15]	TR News	"One way to keep yourself more secure on the web is by using multi-factor authentication." Not quite; in many cases, the way it's implemented does more harm than good. But they use it to harvest data. https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/securing-your-accounts-is-difficult-this-is-what-you-should-know-about-multi-factor-authentication/
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[09:15]	TR Bot	 Securing Your Accounts Is Difficult. This Is What You Should Know About Multi-Factor Authentication.
[09:18]	TR News	More good reasons to self-host all your stuff, stop outsourcing to companies that 1) don't care about you. 2) work for regimes. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/latest-threat-independent-online-creators-filter-mandate-bill
[09:18]	TR Bot	 The Latest Threat to Independent Online Creators Is the Filter Mandate Bill | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[09:19]	TR News	"We enjoy access to cheap stuff because of the mass market for things like mice, keyboards, and cell phones." "https://hackaday.com/2022/04/06/accessible-arduino-mouse-helps/
[09:19]	TR Bot	Arduino Mouse Helps | Hackaday
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[09:23]	TR News	"Today is a day of housecleaning. I splited tinylog file into two, current and archive for 2021. I restarted my VPS (uptime about half year)." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi
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[09:25]	TR News	"Controllers haven't seen much change over the past decade or two." They just get more expensive, harder to repair etc. gemini://low-key.me/gemlog/psa-dualsense-pc.gmi
[09:26]	TR News	"Im getting the vibe that MMT is falling out of vogue in Sweden and that interest rates are gonna be jacked up. Maybe well know for sure in three weeks after the next Riksbank meeting. But theyre giving up on trying to stem inflation." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/growth
[09:27]	TR News	Fudging Designers gemini://idiomdrottning.org/fudging-designers
[09:30]	TR News	On polarization https://www.mintpressnews.com/cancel-culture-and-polarization-in-the-age-of-covid-how-to-agree-to-disagree/280156/
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[09:30]	TR Bot	 Cancel Culture and Polarization in the Age of COVID: How To Agree To Disagree
[09:31]	TR News	SweatshopZone https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/say-it-pride-pushback-after-psaki-walks-back-biden-amazon-union-remarks
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[09:31]	TR Bot	 'Say It With Pride': Pushback After Psaki Walks Back Biden Amazon Union Remarks
[09:32]	TR News	Pinterest https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/pinterest-applauded-plan-combat-climate-misinformation
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[09:32]	TR Bot	 Pinterest Applauded for Plan to Combat Climate Misinformation
[09:34]	TR News	"Far-right and authoritarian leaders in the U.S. and Russia are pushing the planet toward "the most dangerous point in human history," renowned scholar Noam Chomsky said in an interview published by The New Statesman Wednesday" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/most-dangerous-point-human-history-looming-warns-noam-chomsky-0
[09:34]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/most-dangerous-point-human-history-looming-warns-noam-chomsky-0 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/most-dangerous-point-human-history-looming-warns-noam-chomsky-0
[09:34]	TR Bot	 'Most Dangerous Point in Human History' Looming, Warns Noam Chomsky
[09:36]	TR News	These patents continue to kill millions of people for profit https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/06/poverty-pre-condition-underlying-covid-19-mortality
[09:36]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/06/poverty-pre-condition-underlying-covid-19-mortality https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/06/poverty-pre-condition-underlying-covid-19-mortality
[09:36]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Poverty: The Pre-Condition Underlying Covid-19 Mortality | Rev. Dr. William J. Barber II
[09:38]	TR News	This is the priority of police in Spain? https://torrentfreak.com/how-laligas-anti-piracy-tools-led-to-two-more-pirate-iptv-arrests-220406/
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[09:38]	TR Bot	LaLiga's Anti-Piracy Tools Led To Two More Pirate IPTV Arrests * TorrentFreak
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[09:39]	TR News	"UK media giant Sky has asked [Microsoft] to remove the website... [Microsoft] responded by taking a CucoTV repository offline." https://torrentfreak.com/sky-tries-to-remove-pirate-iptv-app-cucotv-from-github-220406/
[09:39]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/sky-tries-to-remove-pirate-iptv-app-cucotv-from-github-220406/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/sky-tries-to-remove-pirate-iptv-app-cucotv-from-github-220406/
[09:39]	TR Bot	Tries to Remove 'Pirate' IPTV App "CucoTV" from GitHub * TorrentFreak
[09:47]	TR News	DMCA https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/vosburg-v-putney-leg-amputations-and-the-overly-censorial-dmca-notice/
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[09:47]	TR Bot	V. Putney, Leg Amputations, And The Overly-Censorial DMCA Notice | Techdirt
[09:48]	TR News	DirecTV https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/directv-ignores-gop-pressure-kicks-oan-off-its-cable-lineup/
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[09:48]	TR Bot	Ignores GOP Pressure, Kicks OAN Off Its Cable Lineup | Techdirt
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[09:49]	TR News	Microsoft Hasnt Changed Since the YouTube-DL Takedown | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/takedowns-through-microsoft/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/07/takedowns-through-microsoft/
[09:49]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Hasnt Changed Since the YouTube-DL Takedown | Techrights
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[09:59]	TR News	Linux.com So Poorly Managed by Linux Foundation That Now Theyre Double-Posting (Same Post Twice, Not Corrected) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/linux-com-double-post/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/07/linux-com-double-post/
[09:59]	TR Bot	 Linux.com So Poorly Managed by Linux Foundation That Now Theyre Double-Posting (Same Post Twice, Not Corrected) | Techrights
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[10:06]	TR News	An introduction to pvpanic https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/post/an-introduction-to-pvpanic
[10:06]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: oracle.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/post/an-introduction-to-pvpanic https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/post/an-introduction-to-pvpanic
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[10:10]	TR News	SCOTUS appointments covered under "politics" sections. Just to remind you what US courts are really like, even the highest one.
[10:12]	TR News	Tech does not always improve lives https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/court-says-texas-drone-law-violates-the-first-amendment/
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[10:14]	TR News	Oligarchs' social control: make lists, scare people https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/06/non-starter-critics-slam-amtrak-request-dhs-watchlist-screening-passengers
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[10:15]	TR News	Transportation Safety Administration (TSA): hiring pedophiles who uses the job to get access to children (touching them). I reported one case to TSA and they didn't even reply, let alone did something about it...
[10:19]	TR News	When Rupert Murdoch controls the media https://www.desmog.com/2022/04/06/the-suns-pro-fracking-poll-was-paid-for-by-climate-denial-group/
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[10:22]	TR News	"its wrong for politicians to promise to punish companies for their speech." Companies are not people; they haven't free speech rights https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/its-wrong-for-politicians-to-announce-plans-to-punish-companies-for-speech-no-matter-who-does-it/
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[10:33]	psydruid	free software game development is the only solution to the whole game industry being or becoming malicious
[10:33]	psydruid	Microsoft keeps trying to sell this junk
[10:34]	psydruid	https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/internet-of-things-blog/announcing-public-preview-for-nxp-i-mx-8m-on-windows-10-iot/ba-p/3271854
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[10:34]	schestowitz-TR	lol
[10:34]	schestowitz-TR	"iot"
[10:34]	schestowitz-TR	yotyotyotyotyot
[10:34]	schestowitz-TR	Microsoft ID IoT
[10:36]	schestowitz-TR	2025: Microsoft is a IoT company, it bough a bunch of firms with "IoT" in their name
[10:36]	schestowitz-TR	2027: Azure is "IoT" market leader, they bought some OS inside devices, rebranded it Azure
[10:37]	schestowitz-TR	2030: Elop joins Samsung as CEO
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[10:38]	TR News	Elive 3.8.27 beta released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163445
[10:38]	TR News	7 Best Free and Open Source Firewall Tools Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163446
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[10:38]	TechrightsBot-tr	Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
[10:40]	TR News	Microsoft Windows https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/04/the-original-apt-advanced-persistent-teenagers/
[10:40]	TR Bot	 The Original APT: Advanced Persistent Teenagers Krebs on Security
[10:40]	TR News	Guess who pays https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/06/jury-awards-14-million-to-anti-police-brutality-protesters-who-were-brutalized-by-colorado-police-officers
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[10:40]	TR Bot	Awards $14 Million To Anti-Police Brutality Protesters Who Were Brutalized By Colorado Police Officers | Techdirt
[10:43]	psydruid	the only thing that can be done about such hardware is to rip the ID IoT out of the thing and make it ID IoT-proof
[10:44]	schestowitz-TR	haha
[10:46]	TR News	Vivaldi 5.2 Adds a Reading List Panel & New Privacy Statistics Bar http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163414#comment-33296
[10:46]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[10:47]	TR News	Linux Mint's upcoming Upgrade tool makes upgrades a lot easier http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163423#comment-33297
[10:47]	TR Bot	 Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Will Be Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, New Upgrade Tool in the Works | Tux Machines
[10:49]	TR News	Released: SmartOS 20220407 http://smartos.org/
[10:49]	TR Bot	 Joyent
[10:52]	TR News	The EPOs administration continues to enjoy the medias apathy or silence; not a word is being said about EPO scandals, let alone strikes and industrial actions; todays 20-minute video is one of many to come http://techrights.org/2022/04/06/granted-patents-pr/
[10:52]	TR Bot	 When Most Granted Patents (and Fake Growth) Are Just Software Patents and EPO Joins the Club | Techrights
[10:53]	TR News	The Linux Foundation has turned Linux.com, once a thriving hub for news about GNU/Linux, into a graveyard; this is what Linux.com looks like this morning http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/linux-com-double-post/
[10:53]	TR Bot	 Linux.com So Poorly Managed by Linux Foundation That Now Theyre Double-Posting (Same Post Twice, Not Corrected) | Techrights
[10:53]	TR News	Outsourcing to Microsoft is poor decision-making, as yesterdays news serves to remind us again (theres no due process!) http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/takedowns-through-microsoft/
[10:53]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Hasnt Changed Since the YouTube-DL Takedown | Techrights
[10:53]	TR News	 IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/irc-log-060422/ Source: Techrights | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/07/irc-log-060422/
[10:53]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 | Techrights
[10:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 41.75 k/sec., IPFS upstream 78.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 671.73
[10:59]	SomeH4x0r	why could [email protected] appear here https://introversion.co.uk/introversion/legal/website.html
[10:59]	TR Bot	 Untitled Document.md
[10:59]	SomeH4x0r	the website is not MITMed, and the JS required does not work
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[11:00]		*schestowitz-TR looks
[11:00]	schestowitz-TR	oh, ok
[11:00]	schestowitz-TR	well, same thing happens in some mail clients
[11:00]	schestowitz-TR	and in thunderbird
[11:00]	schestowitz-TR	maybe even russian quiterss
[11:00]	SomeH4x0r	*does not exist
[11:00]	schestowitz-TR	they scan page tetxc
[11:01]	schestowitz-TR	and if they detect something of email format they then do this
[11:01]	schestowitz-TR	some parsers just do this to FOLDING@HOME
[11:01]	schestowitz-TR	and similar
[11:01]	schestowitz-TR	my guess is that they passed it through some filter that redacts email
[11:01]	schestowitz-TR	they might not be aware
[11:01]	schestowitz-TR	report it to them
[11:02]	SomeH4x0r	they don't respond for months
[11:02]	schestowitz-TR	look at page source
[11:02]	SomeH4x0r	I'm waiting until they respond to my other stuff
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[11:03]	schestowitz-TR	<a href="/cdn-cgi/l/email-protection#b8cbcdc8c8d7caccf8d1d6cccad7ceddcacbd1d7d696dbd796cdd3"><span class="__cf_email__" data-cfemail="384b4d4848574a4c7851564c4a574e5d4a4b515756165b57164d53">[email&nbsp;protected]</span></a>
[11:03]	schestowitz-TR	CF
[11:03]	schestowitz-TR	does that mean clownflare does this?
[11:03]	schestowitz-TR	check ip address
[11:03]	schestowitz-TR	of site
[11:03]	DaemonFC	<techrights-news> This is the priority of police in Spain? https://torrentfreak.com/how-laligas-anti-piracy-tools-led-to-two-more-pirate-iptv-arrests-220406/
[11:03]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/how-laligas-anti-piracy-tools-led-to-two-more-pirate-iptv-arrests-220406/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/how-laligas-anti-piracy-tools-led-to-two-more-pirate-iptv-arrests-220406/
[11:03]	TR Bot	LaLiga's Anti-Piracy Tools Led To Two More Pirate IPTV Arrests * TorrentFreak
[11:03]	SomeH4x0r	the JS itself is missing
[11:03]	DaemonFC	It's like the feds. They ran out of crime and started working movie piracy cases.
[11:03]	SomeH4x0r	so I assume it is not CF
[11:03]	DaemonFC	They're really good at solving crime and so they ran out of stuff to do.
[11:04]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: they should do wall street
[11:04]	SomeH4x0r	unless some other script is blocking access to the JS
[11:04]	schestowitz-TR	the REAL piracy
[11:04]	schestowitz-TR	"<span class="__cf_email__" data-cfemail"
[11:05]	DaemonFC	I wonder why GNOME doesn't default to centering new windows.
[11:05]	DaemonFC	"Here, let me just put that as far out of reach as I can for you.....there we go!"
[11:05]	schestowitz-TR	sooner or later people will realise that the police does not serve
[11:05]	schestowitz-TR	or serve and "protect"
[11:05]	DaemonFC	You need a Tweak Tool to set it to center windows.
[11:05]	schestowitz-TR	it serves warrants
[11:05]	schestowitz-TR	and cherry-picks the people whom thje plutocrats dislike
[11:06]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Wondering about buying a police car..... Come to think of it.
[11:06]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: GNOME is not for you
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[11:06]	schestowitz-TR	you should learn KDE
[11:06]	schestowitz-TR	yes, learn
[11:06]	schestowitz-TR	it has tons of features
[11:06]	DaemonFC	There's a nice big red detective Crown Victoria over there I'm REAAAALY tempted to buy.
[11:06]	schestowitz-TR	even I still discover some
[11:06]	schestowitz-TR	after 20+ years
[11:06]	schestowitz-TR	kde neon has a very new build
[11:06]	SomeH4x0r	I don't see the Cloudflare checker website on Crimeflare anymore
[11:06]	SomeH4x0r	"Query Database" iirc, except it leads elsewhere now
[11:06]	schestowitz-TR	for my applications I set position, focus etc. per window and application
[11:06]	DaemonFC	They want too much for it, but car prices are going crazy and with that in mind, it's probably not a terrible deal relative to others.
[11:06]	schestowitz-TR	so I rarely need to move any windows around
[11:07]	DaemonFC	I'll drive it down to my mechanic and have them look it over, use it to haggle of they find anything that needs fixed. The last thing I want is a pile of car problems right away and no budget for it.
[11:08]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Mandy didn't like the fact that they all have dials and gauges on them.
[11:09]	DaemonFC	And not "screens".
[11:09]	DaemonFC	I said, "Yeah, nothing to break and burn out!".
[11:09]	DaemonFC	"OH NO! I can't possibly drive THIS! I have to turn a dial to use the air conditioner. A DIAL! What am I? A chav?"
[11:10]	DaemonFC	"Can you believe they want me to use a dial? Nobody thought of TOUCH SCREENS that burn out and cost $3,000 in 2011!?"
[11:10]	SomeH4x0r	introversion.co.uk - 52.55.16.22 - Amazon
[11:11]	DaemonFC	It's getting bad out there and between Brandon and all of the shitty new "car features" and self-driving nonsense....
[11:11]	DaemonFC	It isn't gonna get better.
[11:11]	DaemonFC	As usual, with self-drive, mjg59_ is contributing to a great evil.
[11:11]	DaemonFC	Who the fuck wants a car that "self-drives"?
[11:11]	DaemonFC	I don't. Hands on the wheel!
[11:12]	DaemonFC	"Oops, I thought that person I ran over was a bag!" -self drive
[11:14]	schestowitz-TR	now it is
[11:14]	schestowitz-TR	or soon
[11:14]	schestowitz-TR	when the ambulance arrives
[11:14]	schestowitz-TR	"Wrap it up"
[11:15]	DaemonFC	Who is approving this? People are being killed by software bugs in cars now.
[11:15]	DaemonFC	Very soon, if not already, assassinated by the car's software...
[11:15]	DaemonFC	Unfortunate brake failure.
[11:15]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: http://schestowitz.com/Research/Cars/Car_Navigation/HTML/
[11:15]	TR Bot	 CAR NAVIGATION THROUGH COMPUTER VISION METHODS WITH RUDIMENTARY IMPLEMENTATION UNDER ANDROID
[11:15]	schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Research/Cars/Car_Navigation/
[11:15]	DaemonFC	Drive you into a river and lock the doors on the way so you can't bail out.
[11:15]	TR Bot	 Car Navigation
[11:16]	schestowitz-TR	it's not self-drive
[11:16]	schestowitz-TR	it's an alerting system
[11:17]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Do you think it's fundamentally impossible for autonomous vehicles to be as safe or safer than human drivers under well-defined conditions?
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[11:18]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> DaemonFC: Do you think it's fundamentally impossible for autonomous vehicles to be as safe or safer than human drivers under well-defined conditions?
[11:18]	DaemonFC	I don't trust it.
[11:18]	mjg59_	Well sure, but I don't trust humans either
[11:18]	DaemonFC	I don't think it will ever be as safe as a good driver.
[11:18]	mjg59_	They keep trying to drive into me while I'm cycling
[11:18]	TR News	Links 07/04/2022: Elive 3.8.27 Beta and Microsoft GitHub Deleting Projects Again | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/github-deleting-projects-again/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/07/github-deleting-projects-again/
[11:18]	TR Bot	 Links 07/04/2022: Elive 3.8.27 Beta and Microsoft GitHub Deleting Projects Again | Techrights
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[11:19]	psydruid	Maybe some day they'll succeed
[11:19]	mjg59_	I think it's up to the companies doing this work to prove that the technology is safer than humans before it should be deployed anywhere
[11:19]	DaemonFC	Bicycles shouldn't be on the road.
[11:19]	DaemonFC	Also, what he said.
[11:20]	TR News	Proprietary Software and Security Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163447
[11:20]	TR Bot	 Proprietary Software and Security | Tux Machines
[11:20]	DaemonFC	You pay the highest taxes in the country right? Maybe go down to city hall and ask where it all goes.
[11:20]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163448
[11:20]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[11:20]	TR News	Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino and PCBs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163449
[11:21]	TR Bot	 Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino and PCBs | Tux Machines
[11:21]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163450
[11:21]	DaemonFC	Why there are no bike paths and why the city passes anti-vagrancy laws from the 1800s and calls itself progressive.
[11:21]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[11:21]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163451
[11:21]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[11:21]	mjg59_	I think California has tighter regulations on autonomous vehicles than anywhere else, so I assume some of it goes there
[11:23]	DaemonFC	The only place autonomous vehicles should go is to long haul trucking where it's mostly hours and hours and hours on rural long stretch highways and there's fewer people than necessary to do it yet they find time to circle DC with their horns blaring.
[11:23]	schestowitz	TIL https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings/computer-science
[11:23]	TR Bot	 Computer Science Rankings 2022
[11:23]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: You'll be stoked to know what I work on!
[11:24]	schestowitz	oxford #6 here (only)m https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2021/computer-science-information-systems
[11:24]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: topuniversities.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2021/computer-science-information-systems https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2021/computer-science-information-systems
[11:24]	TR Bot	 QS World University Rankings for Computer Science and Information Systems 2021 | Top Universities
[11:24]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: (We do autonomous trucks)
[11:24]	DaemonFC	I'm saying this should not be in my car.
[11:24]	mjg59_	Your car is your business
[11:24]	mjg59_	I'm not going to try to force anything on you
[11:25]	DaemonFC	There should also be a way to disable it and make sure it can never turn back on again.
[11:25]	DaemonFC	Oh, I don't put any stupid idea past Congress.
[11:25]	DaemonFC	Consider that MADD won another bullshit victory to get sensors to watch your facial movements or the car won't even work at all starting on MY 2026.
[11:26]	DaemonFC	Because the states don't just pass common sense drunk driving laws like "On your third, the cop just pulls you out and shoots you, and then you don't do it again for sure.".
[11:26]	DaemonFC	That's what's "mad".
[11:27]	DaemonFC	The entire reason we have crime is because it's widely tolerated.
[11:27]	DaemonFC	When you have people on their seventh DUI before prison becomes a serious threat, you'll have lots of people out there doing it over and over again because they want to drink and figure the worst that happens is they get a lawyer.
[11:27]	schestowitz-TR	the roads are shared
[11:28]	schestowitz-TR	other people's "self-driving" cars are your problem
[11:28]	schestowitz-TR	another person drunk-driving also
[11:28]	schestowitz-TR	those people hit other cars and pedestrians
[11:28]	schestowitz-TR	 "self-driving" cars should bne a hobbyist thing
[11:28]	schestowitz-TR	like for competitions in engineering
[11:28]	schestowitz-TR	but BANNED from roads
[11:28]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Yes, but the way to cut down on DUI fatalities is pass a law that rapidly escalates the consequences.
[11:28]	schestowitz-TR	lobbyists typically buy any law they want though
[11:28]	schestowitz-TR	I worked in that field
[11:29]	DaemonFC	Not by punishing everyone because 2-3% are a menace to the public.
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	face rec is BS
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	 "self-driving" cars are BS
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	they should NOT be allowed
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	but corrupt politicians also allowed polygraph
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	and other crock
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	sold to them y cranks
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	so many the accident-but-nobody-accountable industry will get its way
[11:29]	schestowitz-TR	like they do with face rec
[11:30]	schestowitz-TR	the british police repeatedly reported what a failure that was
[11:30]	DaemonFC	I've had to take a breathalyzer test before. A cop pulled me over coming out of a bar. He saw me get in my car and waited for me to pull onto a public street.
[11:30]	schestowitz-TR	catching not a single person they needed
[11:30]	schestowitz-TR	just flagging crap
[11:30]	DaemonFC	I had not been drinking, so no problem.
[11:30]	schestowitz-TR	it helps sell
[11:30]	schestowitz-TR	sell crap
[11:30]	schestowitz-TR	it doesn't help society
[11:30]	DaemonFC	If you refuse, you automatically lose your driver's license for a year.
[11:30]	mjg59_	schestowitz-TR: We know that humans have a reasonably high failure rate when driving. Do you think it's actually impossible for software to do better?
[11:30]	mjg59_	schestowitz-TR: (Serious question, not trying to bait you into anything there)
[11:30]	schestowitz-TR	breathalyzer is OK for high doses
[11:30]	schestowitz-TR	but
[11:31]	schestowitz-TR	you can also detect smell
[11:31]	schestowitz-TR	at high doses
[11:31]	schestowitz-TR	but officer writing down in report
[11:31]	schestowitz-TR	"I smelled alcohol"
[11:31]	DaemonFC	And just because you refuse doesn't mean they can't charge you with a DUI, it just means that they have to rely on some other evidence, which at that point becomes subjective (cop testilying) instead of a breathalyzer reading.
[11:31]	schestowitz-TR	not as proper a protocol as "devices reading was X"
[11:31]	DaemonFC	So you're actually in much more danger if you're not drunk and refuse the test.
[11:32]	schestowitz-TR	they don't do binary test
[11:32]	schestowitz-TR	they get a reading
[11:32]	schestowitz-TR	if you are sober, then the reading won't be off the charts
[11:32]	schestowitz-TR	and as fallback you can have witnesses who saw you drink nothing
[11:32]	schestowitz-TR	if it goes to court
[11:32]	schestowitz-TR	but if you are black, they might not believe you
[11:32]	DaemonFC	There's a cutoff so that you can't say "I just gargled some Listerine about an hour ago!".
[11:32]	schestowitz-TR	because DaemonFC might be in the jury
[11:32]	schestowitz-TR	along with other racist jurors
[11:33]	DaemonFC	What about my statement that I would have let the black guy that shot the car thieves go?
[11:33]	DaemonFC	THe jury convicted him on murder.
[11:34]	schestowitz-TR	I like videos where they test the driver by asking him or her to walk a straight line
[11:34]	DaemonFC	He should have been let go with an apology that we have a racist piece of shit prosecutor with anti-gun paranoia who doesn't beleve in right to defend yourself and property.
[11:34]	schestowitz-TR	and they act all cool while walking like idiots
[11:34]	schestowitz-TR	and then fall
[11:34]	DaemonFC	Fucking leftists. They're all the same.
[11:34]	DaemonFC	You've seen one, you've seen them all.
[11:34]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, it's off topic now
[11:34]	DaemonFC	Spineless, racist, pussies.
[11:35]	schestowitz-TR	unless we talk aboutbreathalyzers
[11:35]	DaemonFC	So nothing good could have come of that.
[11:35]	DaemonFC	And I forgot, they tend to be pretentious too.
[11:35]	schestowitz-TR	you can use your sense of smell
[11:35]	schestowitz-TR	but it's not a product
[11:35]	schestowitz-TR	they turned smelling intoa  product
[11:35]	schestowitz-TR	and now sell lots of units to cops
[11:35]	schestowitz-TR	I reckon they charge amazingly high rate per unit
[11:36]	schestowitz-TR	for some made in china cheap toy
[11:36]	schestowitz-TR	costs 10 bucks to make, sold to PDs for $1000 apiece
[11:36]	schestowitz-TR	graft
[11:36]	DaemonFC	"I HAVE AN IPHONE HERADERP I'M NOT PAYING MY LANDLORD WE'RE IN COURT! PRITZKER WILL SAVE US!"
[11:36]	schestowitz-TR	maybe ask Musk to buy some breathalyzer shares
[11:36]	DaemonFC	Speaking of cheap devices that every tacky run down schmuck has, but acts like they're special over.
[11:37]	DaemonFC	"I'm on INSTAGRAM taking pictures of me DOING STUFF! Oh there's me at a restaurant nobody cares about! Oh here I am at some place nobody cares! Oh, ads! Noice!"
[11:39]	DaemonFC	https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-water-tower-place-brookfield-transaction-20220406-ct7ku3cfbvauhe3d363olb6iza-story.html
[11:39]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: chicagotribune.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-water-tower-place-brookfield-transaction-20220406-ct7ku3cfbvauhe3d363olb6iza-story.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-water-tower-place-brookfield-transaction-20220406-ct7ku3cfbvauhe3d363olb6iza-story.html
[11:39]	TR Bot	 Water Tower Place owner walking away from troubled Mag Mile mall - Chicago Tribune
[11:39]	DaemonFC	The rich white people malls in Chicago are going tits up.
[11:39]	DaemonFC	Water Tower Place is a high-quality real estate asset that is well-positioned in the Chicago market, said MetLife Investment Management spokesperson Dave Franecki in a statement.
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[11:40]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I'm sure that whoever buys it will have more luck with it than the tenants and current owner are now.
[11:40]	DaemonFC	All their tenants are filing bankruptcy and moving out, just like the other malls.
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[11:41]	DaemonFC	It's a disaster because the United States had abotu 18 times too much retail space per person and we're in this sort of massive correction now.
[11:42]	DaemonFC	It was a gigantic bubble, and I knew we were in for it about 20 years ago when I read that figure. That there was 18 times as much retail floor space per person in the US as in most countries.
[11:42]	DaemonFC	There's nearly 20 square feet of shopping space per person in the US.
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[11:43]	DaemonFC	That's not set up to survive people being broke _and_ shifting what they do buy online.
[11:43]	DaemonFC	Walmart is a good investment because it's about the last place people will shop.
[11:44]	DaemonFC	And we're getting down to brass tacks now where people still need clothes and food and stuff and most can't afford the supermarket or Kohls.
[11:45]	DaemonFC	For some reason the thrift shops never have anything in my size, no matter what size I wear at the moment.
[11:45]	DaemonFC	But everyone around me can walk in there and find ten things and pay $5 that year for clothed.
[11:45]	DaemonFC	*clothes
[11:46]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, Anyway, the fact that these systems are on cars is raising the price even if you never use them.
[11:46]	DaemonFC	It gets built into the car and it's another thing to malfunction.
[11:46]	DaemonFC	Raises the price, reduces the lifespan.
[11:46]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: I'm not in control of what car manufacturers choose to ship
[11:47]	DaemonFC	It creates all sorts of electrical problems and the car just starts acting possessed a year or two after the last payment.
[11:47]	mjg59_	That seems like a conversation to have with them
[11:47]	DaemonFC	That's the real goal.
[11:47]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> DaemonFC: I'm not in control of what car manufacturers choose to ship
[11:47]	DaemonFC	Every bad idea that nobody would accept gets passed into law.
[11:47]	DaemonFC	Like Obamacare.
[11:48]	DaemonFC	If you put Obamacare up for a vote, and had everyone go in there and thumbs up or down, it would get cut to ribbons even at its highest point.
[11:48]	mjg59_	I've only lobbied for one bill in DC, and that was to make enforced arbitration illegal
[11:49]	DaemonFC	That's what the government does. It passes corrupt and bad laws that foist things on people who now no longer have the freedom to go along with it or not.
[11:49]	DaemonFC	And 99 out of 100 laws do bad things and take freedom away and legislate what should be personal choice.
[11:49]	mjg59_	And that might even get passed! https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/house-passes-bill-end-mandatory-arbitration-legal-disputes-2022-03-17/
[11:49]	TR Bot	passes bill to end mandatory arbitration of legal disputes | Reuters
[11:50]	DaemonFC	The government needs to be stopped, but it always finds a way to be malicious. If you amended the constitution 100 more times to cut out all of the major abuses of power we know about today, it wouldn't be enough.
[11:50]	DaemonFC	For starters, the courts already ignore the alleged "protections" that are there.
[11:50]	DaemonFC	They'd just ignore the dozens of new amendments as well.
[11:51]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> And that might even get passed! https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/house-passes-bill-end-mandatory-arbitration-legal-disputes-2022-03-17/
[11:51]	mjg59_	This is literally a bill to ensure people can be protected by the judicial system instead of being pushed into a corporate mimic of the same
[11:51]	DaemonFC	Sure, after they water it down so it no longer does what the bill says it does, and carve out exceptions for all the nasty things the lobbyists care about.
[11:52]	DaemonFC	"Obamacare" was a terrific example of the government "reforming" something.
[11:52]	DaemonFC	Since the law passed, healthcare has gotten more expensive by a factor of 10, and they find ways to hide it and claim more people are insured (with expensive policies they can't use).
[11:53]	mjg59_	Unclear whether you're arguing that the thing I went to DC to advocate for is bad, or whether it's good but bad things might happen that are outside my control
[11:54]	DaemonFC	It was a bailout bill for insurance industries, and now that everyone has insurance, everyone paradoxically pays more, because there's no longer any reason to give the uninsured a "cash discount" because they are a large group who can pass it up and go somewhere else, and the insured have to pay for insurance and then it has a $10,000 deductible.
[11:54]	DaemonFC	But at the time, it was sold as a law that would bring down your costs of healthcare, and we've never been worse off than we are now.
[11:54]	DaemonFC	So if anti-forced arbitration bills are floating around in Congress, here's how it will work.
[11:55]	DaemonFC	One of two things will happen.
[11:55]	DaemonFC	1. They'll introduce one with teeth that is not meant to pass, and threaten to pass it to raise money from industry. 
[11:56]	DaemonFC	-or- 2. It will pass, after the industry pays up and says "You need to change this so it doesn't threaten us, but you can tell your constituents you're doing big things here in Washington."
[11:56]	DaemonFC	It'll be an industry-backed bill by the time it gets passed, if it passed, because they all are.
[11:57]	DaemonFC	The best part will be is whatever passes will preempt state laws that actually do something.
[11:58]	DaemonFC	Like the "You can SPAM Act" of 2003 did.
[11:59]	mjg59_	Well, at least you don't seem to feel like I'm being malicious here
[11:59]	DaemonFC	After CAN-SPAM, the problem went up immediately, 10 times worse than ever before.
[11:59]	DaemonFC	Oh, I never try to contact anyone in Congress.
● Apr 07
[12:00]	TR News	after repeatedly ignoring the issue, devoting not even a single sentence to is, Max Walters or his publish finally acknowledge the EPO's crisis https://www.managingip.com/article/b1xgwst1q4cnm4/epo-unrest-returns-should-ip-owners-be-worried
[12:00]	TR Bot	 EPO unrest returns: should IP owners be worried? | Managing Intellectual Property
[12:00]	DaemonFC	Stallman says to sometimes, but I think he does that out of a 1970s mindset where they still cared about constituents somewhat.
[12:02]	DaemonFC	Some of them have answering machines, but it's probably just some temp in there hitting delete messages.
[12:03]	DaemonFC	Congress is good at a couple of things.
[12:04]	DaemonFC	Throwing an ungodly amount of money around and watching our country fall apart and not lifting a finger to help (because it's not concerned).
[12:04]	DaemonFC	The globalists won a long time ago.
[12:05]	DaemonFC	They've erased any sense of patriotism that this country ever had. And they associate the very idea with "terrorism". You know, they say "patriot movements" on lists of "groups of concern to law enforcement". :)
[12:06]	DaemonFC	If you still love your country, it means your politicians have not done their job.
[12:06]	DaemonFC	The UN does do things. Consider Agenda 21, which is part of where this COVID nonsense came from.
[12:06]	activelow	^ "mandatory vaccination" was REJECTED in german parliament, with overwhelming majority against the Chancellor and government-coalition who proposed it
[12:06]	activelow	few minutes ago, thanks god
[12:07]	DaemonFC	They've been looking for a way to take away the standard of living in rich countries for decades now.
[12:07]	DaemonFC	They used COVID as an excuse to "shut down" and perform "shock therapy" on those places.
[12:07]	DaemonFC	Now they can open again, and it'll never be the same. In ways that nobody would have accepted previously.
[12:07]	DaemonFC	Had an "emergency" not been going on.
[12:10]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> Well, at least you don't seem to feel like I'm being malicious here
[12:10]	DaemonFC	More malicious than T-Mobile? Difficult.
[12:10]	DaemonFC	If you don't opt-out of forced arbitration within 30 days of setting up a T-Mobile or Comcast account, you've "agreed" to it.
[12:11]	mjg59_	Gosh if only I'd gone to lobby for a bill that would make that illegal or something
[12:11]	DaemonFC	They bury the opt-out links in a bunch of broken redirecting long urls that you have to type in.
[12:11]	DaemonFC	It's so if anyone goes to regulate them, they can say you had a choice.
[12:12]	DaemonFC	But only 2-3% of customers will succeed, so it's hard to find enough people to start a class action.
[12:13]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, The Senate keeps the filibuster as an excuse to not pass anything.
[12:13]	DaemonFC	The House passes at least 10-12 bills before the Senate passes some version of 1 of them.
[12:14]	DaemonFC	The Republicans don't really want rid of Obamacare. They keep finding an off ramp. The truth is that they have to go up against voters who are smart enough to hate what the fucking thing has done to them. (smart)
[12:15]	DaemonFC	So they always find one Senator who will "go rogue" that can't be punished.
[12:15]	DaemonFC	How do you punish John McCain? He died of brain cancer a few months later.
[12:15]	DaemonFC	The Democrats have Manchin to trot out every time they don't really want to pass their own stuff.
[12:16]	DaemonFC	Both parties have judges that nobody gets to decide on.
[12:16]	DaemonFC	Trust me, anti-forced arbitration will go nowhere, except maybe in the states.
[12:16]	DaemonFC	And if Congress passes anything, they'll make it worse than that, for everyone.
[12:18]	activelow	it was many government-coalition members themselves who voted against their _own_ government proposal for "mandatory vaccination"
[12:18]	activelow	which implies an anti-trust proceeding against the chancellor, normally
[12:20]	DaemonFC	What? You mean that they took it up just to prove it wouldn't pass?
[12:20]	activelow	not sure
[12:21]	DaemonFC	That's smart. What Senators here usually do is threaten to filibuster instead of letting a bill they know wouldn't pass anyway come up to damage the president.
[12:21]	activelow	the government itself is at stake now; a government-coalition can't simply propose a legislation and see their own coalition-members reject it
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[12:24]	activelow	typically, such an election is followed by an anti-trust against the Chancellor and the government, meaning the government again proposes the legislation, and then combines it with an anti-trust vote
[12:24]	activelow	either the entire government-coalition agrees, or government steps down
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[12:30]	activelow	there had not been any parliament debate or vote about "weapons supplies" yet, as far as "democracy" and "constitutional state" are concerned, in germany
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[12:33]	activelow	according to the constitution, parliament _must_ decide about military participation in conflicts; yet government "arguments" were, weapons deliveries supposedly weren't any participation in a conflict, and deliveries had to remain secret
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[12:34]	activelow	anyway, to my knowledge, the "mandatory vaccination" votes were public, with each individual member of parliament known how they voted
[12:35]	activelow	looking forward to see this discussed in public too, if at all
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[12:40]	activelow	"more than 300 covid deaths daily"
[12:45]	activelow	that's ~100000 "corona" deaths per year, roughly the the annual amount of immigrants into germany
[12:46]	mjg59_	Gosh that's two very unrelated numbers that you're associating for no obvious reason
[12:46]	activelow	which is related to the argument "mandatory vaccination" supposedly "prevent[ed] health care collapse", since immigration is known as a burden
[12:47]	activelow	besides, in germany, lack of housing, meaning any immigrant requires some space to live, when population sized increased +3million in recent years
[12:47]	mjg59_	Vaccination pretty obviously reduces demands on the healthcare system?
[12:48]	mjg59_	Is your argument that immigration should have been blocked instead?
[12:48]	activelow	not my opinion, merely iterating over "arguments" for "mandatory vaccination"
[12:48]	activelow	mjg59_: concerning immigration, there is both _facts_ and my _opinion_
[12:49]	mjg59_	Vaccination of the entire population reduces healthcare burden more than blocking 100,000 immigrants
[12:49]	activelow	beginning with the _facts_ is a challenge already, given the excess propaganda and agitation in germany
[12:50]	activelow	such as, one argument, immigration was necessary for the labor market, with severe shortage of staff reported for healthcare itself, among many other sectors
[12:50]	mjg59_	If, even with vaccination, 100,000 people die, the argument would have to be that the *entire* immigrant population would impose an equivalent burden on the healthcare system and then die
[12:51]	mjg59_	Which is obviously not realistic!
[12:51]	activelow	conerning immigration itself, it is tied to extreme propaganda and agitation, and an ideology which i fundementally reject, not immigration itself
[12:51]	mjg59_	So what point are you actually trying to make?
[12:53]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> Vaccination pretty obviously reduces demands on the healthcare system?
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[12:53]	DaemonFC	They don't force illegal immigrants to take jabs.
[12:53]	DaemonFC	But they tried to cause Americans to lose their jobs if they refused.
[12:54]	DaemonFC	They went to court and for the most part, the Supreme Court ruled that they can't push us around like that.
[12:54]		*bnchs__ is now known as bnchs
[12:54]	DaemonFC	The jabs didn't even put a dent in the transmission rate. More people than ever got infected in the third wave.
[12:55]	DaemonFC	And pretty much all of the people I know who got COVID in that wave were fully vaccinated and "boosted".
[12:55]	DaemonFC	The thing is obviously some sort of scam designed to make money off of a very weak vaccine.
[12:56]	DaemonFC	Several people I know personally who were "boosted" still ended up in the hospital, still ended up needing oxygen, still ended up on monoclonal antibodies.
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[12:56]	DaemonFC	Of course, since it's so difficult to prove if and to what exact extent the vaccines did anything to help them, most people will probably argue that it "could have been worse" without the vaccine.
[12:56]	DaemonFC	But that's not necessarily true. We'll never know.
[12:57]	DaemonFC	They didn't seem to be any better off than the unvaccinated.
[12:57]	DaemonFC	But since the CDC and health departments deny that there are serious vaccine side effects and won't produce actual numbers and statistics, we just don't know.
[12:58]	DaemonFC	The fact that they won't publish study data and simply regurgitate what Pfizer and Moderna say about their own products, and celebrity endorsements, says a lot, to me.
[12:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 40.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 113.66 average k/sec., average swarm size 272.38
[12:59]	activelow	"none of the mRNA vaccines has a regular approval"; Weidel, AfD
[12:59]	DaemonFC	The government immediately went to trying to force people to do things under threat of losing their job and being thrown out of their home instead of just talking to people and trying to convince them.
[12:59]	DaemonFC	That says everything.
[12:59]	mjg59_	Science makes it difficult to talk about individuals, but yes, we can absolutely say that vaccinated people are much less likely to end up in hospital, and also much less likely to end up dead
● Apr 07
[13:00]	DaemonFC	Nobody responds well to threats.
[13:00]	mjg59_	Severe health outcomes are *much* lower in vaccinated individuals
[13:00]	DaemonFC	So it's uncertain what they expected to happen by threatening people other than lawsuits, which the fascists lost.
[13:00]		*activelow smokes another cigarette
[13:01]	activelow	it's not as if i was keen on enjoying any more of this
[13:01]	DaemonFC	I don't plan to get any more at this point. The vaccines were a serious disappointment.
[13:01]	mjg59_	Great example! Not everyone who smokes ends up suffering adverse effects, but at a population level we can say that smoking has a meaningful impact on life expactancy
[13:01]	DaemonFC	They did not protect people. In fact, there are many with heart problems now because of the vaccine jabs.
[13:01]	DaemonFC	The more people take, the higher the odds of heart damage.
[13:02]	mjg59_	Adverse effects of the vaccines are massively lower than the expected health outcome of not being vaccinated
[13:02]	DaemonFC	Plus, they seem to cause cognitive decline.
[13:02]	activelow	mjg59_: propaganda lie
[13:02]	mjg59_	activelow: Provide evidence
[13:02]	DaemonFC	Trouble with memory and stuff, at least for months after the vaccine dose was administered.
[13:02]	activelow	2022-04-07 11:59:38 |NO_ACT PUBLICS| < activelow> "none of the mRNA vaccines has a regular approval"; Weidel, AfD
[13:03]	mjg59_	activelow: Yeah, because the general vaccination approval process takes years, and this was not a scenario where that timescale worked
[13:03]	DaemonFC	There's just too many people who have had weird "side effects" that have all come forward to ALL be lying or exaggerating. But doctors will continue dismissing it.
[13:03]	activelow	again, propaganda lie
[13:03]	DaemonFC	There's not going to be an investigation because they don't like admitting they were wrong.
[13:03]	DaemonFC	There would be lawsuits, for starters.
[13:04]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Nobody's arguing that nobody has side effects. But the total number of people who plausibly have side effects is very small compared to the number who would have been expected to die without vaccination
[13:04]	DaemonFC	It's not just vaccines. Once any drug is approved, it's very hard to get it revoked no matter what it actually does to people. Look at statins.
[13:04]	mjg59_	activelow: What's a propaganda lie?
[13:04]	DaemonFC	Doctors with a conscience will admit that statins cause memory loss, high blood sugar, and muscle and joint pains.
[13:05]	DaemonFC	But the majority of them will gaslight you by laughing and saying "statins don't do that!".
[13:05]	activelow	mjg59_: the covid vaccines were not approved, and were _not_ recommended either by german vaccination commission
[13:05]	DaemonFC	One of those doctors talked to my husband and laughed about me and said I was full of shit because "statins don't do that!" and then when he went off of them anyway, all of that went away.
[13:05]	mjg59_	There's a difference between "x causes y" and "x can trigger y in some peopkle"
[13:06]	activelow	furthermore, "deadliest pandemic in 30 years" was reported for year 2018 already, by german medical journal, although at that time no specific testing was conducted
[13:06]	activelow	yet, that's all moot to discuss, because this isn't about facts, it is extremist propaganda and agitation
[13:06]	mjg59_	activelow: covid was not present in Germany in 2018
[13:06]	DaemonFC	He ended up going back on it, but only after I talked to the doctor and said, "You have him on too high a dose and what the hell do you think you're doing? His cholesterol is so low that he may be in danger from not having ENOUGH, and he certainly doesn't need all of this!".
[13:07]	activelow	yet, "deadliest pandemic in 30 years" was, mjg59_, without any specific testing for "the corona" (whatever this was supposed to be)
[13:07]	DaemonFC	So he went back on at half the original dose. He's certainly not AS bad as before. But once doctors have made a decision, they do anything to justify it.
[13:07]	DaemonFC	Whether it actually causes more harm than the disease itself, even.
[13:07]	mjg59_	activelow: Covid is a specific virus, which is demonstrably present across most of the planet right now, and which was *not* present in Germany in 2018
[13:07]	DaemonFC	I ran into one of those fake health department doctors who refused to put me on blood pressure medication and said to watch my sodium.
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[13:08]	activelow	mjg59_: wrong, it was _not_ tested for year 2018
[13:08]	DaemonFC	Makes little difference. I ended up going to see a real doctor and getting on blood pressure meds.
[13:08]	mjg59_	activelow: It was not tested for because it didn't exist
[13:08]	DaemonFC	So, you know, whether they want to overmedicate or do nothing, lots of doctors harm the patient.
[13:08]	DaemonFC	The only thing you can be sure of is that there'll be a bill.
[13:08]	activelow	except for the "deadliest pandemic in 30 years" , this existed, year 2018 already
[13:08]	matey	hey mjg59_ people are saying you threatened someone, but i cant find any evidence of this
[13:09]	matey	i suppose its possible, i simply cant get any information about it at all. obviously i dont expect you to help, though no one else has.
[13:09]	DaemonFC	Nobody is going to tolerate being threatened over not taking a "vaccine" that was cooked up in a lab over the course of "a few days".
[13:09]	DaemonFC	Under penalty of losing their ability to make the rent and put food on the table.
[13:09]	mjg59_	matey: Roy keeps falsely claiming I said something I didn't say, and the specific claim was a problem because I teach students, and so I asked him to retract the claim
[13:10]	DaemonFC	That's how the left is. They go immediately to the threats.
[13:10]	DaemonFC	They can't argue facts and logic. They go straight to threats.
[13:10]	matey	oh well he also implied i went on some sort of rampage, because i decided i wasnt interested in watching derek taylor on youtube anymore.
[13:11]	DaemonFC	If they had the data, they wouldn't need threats.
[13:11]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: ? I asked him several times to take it down before then
[13:11]	matey	like that was the whole thing. and he asked me to explain why, so i explained, and then he spent about a year telling people id gone crazy because of it.
[13:11]	matey	the funny thing was... the exact response i gave is still logged.
[13:11]	matey	there was nothing insane about it. 
[13:12]	mjg59_	matey: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1458002432898781186
[13:12]	TR Bot	This is about Matthew GAFAM #mjg who boasts about going to FOSS conferences to find sex https://t.co/1KjexlapKY
[13:12]	TR Bot	www.timeshighereducation.com | Why did no one warn me about conference sexual predators? | Times Higher Education (THE)
[13:12]	matey	the world roy occupies is (like with everyone ultimately) subjective
[13:12]	matey	though maybe a bit more subjective than average
[13:12]	matey	/me fires up nitter
[13:12]	matey	no i dont have an account. its just faster than viewing the website
[13:14]	mjg59_	matey: (obviously the claims Roy makes there are untrue)
[13:15]	matey	there was a guy with your handle in here who was talking about how roy was "missing out" if he didnt get laid at conferences though
[13:15]	matey	i read it myself in the logs, a year or two ago
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[13:15]	matey	or more recently
[13:15]	matey	im not saying it was you, just that they had a handle that suggested it was you
[13:16]	matey	im not saying he should tweet things that affect your career or anything
[13:16]	matey	just that i can see why he is of that impression (false or otherwise)
[13:17]	mjg59_	matey: You should probably re-read it
[13:17]	matey	yes, in fact i will do so this moment.
[13:17]	DaemonFC	Someone did grope me once. I just punched him out and got up and left.
[13:17]	mjg59_	(It was me, but that wasn't what I said)
[13:17]	DaemonFC	No police.
[13:17]	matey	(fair enough)
[13:17]	matey	i suppose first of all "who boasts about going to FOSS conferences to find sex" <- you didnt say that per se
[13:18]	matey	you didnt say you went there to find sex
[13:18]	matey	thats a loose (one might say sloppy) interpretation
[13:18]	mjg59_	matey: Sex happens at FOSS conferences, and people who don't know that are people who are unaware of the level of community interaction that occurs there
[13:19]	matey	well im probably closer to you than roy on the prude scale anyway
[13:19]	DaemonFC	Most people are pretty gross, honestly.
[13:19]	DaemonFC	And opportunists.
[13:19]	mjg59_	matey: You don't need to be having sex to be sufficiently aware of what's going on - what I meant by "missing out" is that people are missing out on the community aspect of the conferences
[13:19]	matey	<DaemonFC> Most people are pretty gross, honestly. <- yes
[13:19]	matey	<DaemonFC> And opportunists. <- not sure about "most" but... a lot.
[13:19]	DaemonFC	Also, consider how dumb the average person is, and then consider that half of them are even dumber than that.
[13:20]	matey	the two go hand in hand (so to speak) because its only gross when its OTHER PEOPLE, DaemonFC
[13:20]	DaemonFC	So you put it all together, and what do you get?
[13:20]	DaemonFC	This is a country full of slobs.
[13:20]	matey	a lot of opportunisma bout people being gross
[13:20]	matey	of course by gross its most often just double standards
[13:20]	matey	you poop on a toilet, i would never do such a horrible thing.
[13:21]	matey	because i do not poop.
[13:21]	matey	only "you people" do that sort of thing.
[13:21]	DaemonFC	Hey, hey, hey! In, not on!
[13:21]	matey	its ambiguous. is the poop on the toilet, or me? 
[13:21]	matey	also its ambiguous because the french refer to the entire bathroom as the toilet
[13:21]	DaemonFC	One of the first books many people get their kids is Everybody Poops.
[13:22]	mjg59_	matey: You put a bunch of activists in one place, and some of them are going to fuck. That's how activist communities behave. Roy's belief that that doesn't happen implies that he's missing out on actually being part of one of those communities.
[13:22]	DaemonFC	That's actually the book.
[13:22]	matey	One of the first books many people get their kids is Everybody Poops. <- that fact that such a book exists says a lot about how uptight people are in general
[13:22]	matey	oh ive seen it in shop windows. i know it exists.
[13:22]	matey	 <mjg59_> matey: You put a bunch of activists in one place, and some of them are going to fuck. That's how activist communities behave. <- we are in agreement here
[13:22]	DaemonFC	https://www.amazon.com/Everyone-Turtleback-School-Library-Binding/dp/0613685725
[13:22]	TR Bot	Poops (Turtleback Binding Edition): Taro Gomi, Amanda Mayer Stinchecum, Amanda Mayer Stinchecum: 9780613685726: Amazon.com: Books
[13:22]	DaemonFC	Errr, there we go.
[13:23]	DaemonFC	For a childlike mentality.
[13:23]	bnchs	everybody poops
[13:23]	DaemonFC	Unfortunately, a lot of people never fully grow out of it.
[13:23]	bnchs	wtf is it
[13:23]	DaemonFC	Many people I know are stunted emotionally.
[13:24]	mjg59_	I've pretty consistently been in relationships the entire time I've been attending FOSS conferences, so sex is not the reason I'm showing up
[13:24]	matey	<mjg59_> I've pretty consistently been in relationships the entire time I've been attending FOSS conferences, so sex is not the reason I'm showing up <- thats fair
[13:24]	DaemonFC	Like, you can tell that something happened along the way and they stopped developing emotionally around their teenage years. They may certainly learn new things or tactics, but emotionally they're always going to be like...15.
[13:25]	matey	im in an open relationship, but most conferences fail to attract me for other reasons, so im not likely to find sex (or anything else) at one.
[13:25]	mjg59_	And I teach students, and some of those students might at some point be attending a conference I attend, so having public assertions that I show up at conferences looking for sex is kind of a problem
[13:25]	schestowitz-TR	"You put a bunch of activists in one place, and some of them are going to fuck." -FSF AWARD WINNER
[13:25]	DaemonFC	When you're a child, or at least when I was a child, you viewed your parents through the lens of "This is bullshit. I can't wait to be an adult so I don't have two dumb assholes making arbitrary rules."
[13:25]		*schestowitz-TR back to writing about EPO
[13:25]	matey	You put a bunch of activists in one place, and some of them are going to fuck. <- i dont find any problem with this factual statement
[13:26]	DaemonFC	Then you're an adult, BAM, and instead of two dumb assholes, it's every dumb asshole around you voting for some dumb assholes to go make rules, called the government.
[13:26]	schestowitz-TR	crude and pointless
[13:26]	schestowitz-TR	and not even on topic tbh
[13:26]	matey	DaemonFC <- then they start making them!
[13:26]	schestowitz-TR	he was muted for turning this intoi "sexright"
[13:26]	schestowitz-TR	to bring up difficult subjects
[13:26]	schestowitz-TR	to make us look bad
[13:26]	schestowitz-TR	bbl
[13:26]	matey	/me doesnt think this is a difficult subject
[13:26]	mjg59_	schestowitz-TR: I was expressly asked about this topic
[13:26]	schestowitz-TR	maybe you are in the wrong channel and networ
[13:27]	DaemonFC	activelow was locked in his house by the dumb assholes in charge where he's at.
[13:27]	schestowitz-TR	we do social issues and software freedom
[13:27]	DaemonFC	For not wanting to inject himself thrice with a lab experiment.
[13:27]	schestowitz-TR	while you'\re busy doing the opposite for personal gain
[13:27]	schestowitz-TR	bbl
[13:27]	DaemonFC	They tried doing it here too.
[13:28]	DaemonFC	Everyone who questions the lab experiment is an anti-vaxxer, even if they have all of their routine adult vaccines.
[13:28]	mjg59_	matey: Anyway hope that answers your question about the "threats"
[13:28]	matey	mjg59_ everything except why they consider that a threat, but 
[13:28]	DaemonFC	Because the dumb assholes don't have any other way of framing the issue that appeals to people.
[13:28]	matey	thats sort of their thing
[13:29]	DaemonFC	The world has been effectively ruined in the last two years by dumb assholes and a lab experiment regarding a bad cold.
[13:29]	matey	im not asking you to get in his head
[13:29]	DaemonFC	By design. Gave them an excuse for corporate welfare and mass layoffs.
[13:30]	matey	an excuse for corporate welfare and mass layoffs. <- it certainly turned into that pretty quickly
[13:30]	DaemonFC	They could have cooked up any reason, but to get people really afraid of each other, you say it's a disease.
[13:30]	DaemonFC	Nobody wants a disease.
[13:30]	DaemonFC	Suddenly, they accept any alternative to being DISEASED.
[13:30]	DaemonFC	No matter how insane.
[13:31]	mjg59_	matey: Eh after he refused to remove the untrue accusation I did get a lawyer to send him a letter
[13:31]	DaemonFC	The implication that you were in the bathroom stalls up to some hanky panky?
[13:31]	matey	and of course, everyone who has a lawyer sending a letter here is automatically SLAPPing
[13:31]	matey	regardless of what the letter says
[13:32]	DaemonFC	Well, there's a thought I'll never be able to get rid of. Eww.
[13:32]	DaemonFC	Oh well, just compartmentalize.
[13:32]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: I'm pretty sure you're still very confused about my sexuality
[13:33]	DaemonFC	It's worked for every other thing that I don't want in there.
[13:33]	DaemonFC	I don't really care. I just find the ambiguity of it amusing on some level.
[13:34]	matey	"It's worked for every other thing that I don't want in there." today is straightline day
[13:34]	matey	its an international holiday
[13:34]	matey	which DaemonFC is working very hard to start
[13:34]	DaemonFC	I don't get how people never get over being a victim though. It's not that hard.
[13:35]	DaemonFC	Life's too short to be a victim of everything that happens to you, forever.
[13:35]	matey	thats true
[13:35]	DaemonFC	Hell, I've outlived half of them and I'm only ~38.
[13:35]	matey	mjg59_ this is turning into a rite of passage, something along the lines of endless hazing
[13:35]	matey	or abuse as its more commonly referred to, but one thing you cant deny about the tech industry is it likes to rename everything
[13:36]	DaemonFC	You know, in the moment I thought about at least a couple of them, how bad they wronged me and how I wanted to go and kill them (not literally, just madder than hell and "Wouldn't it be nice if they were just dead?").
[13:36]	DaemonFC	Then some time passed and some of them are dead.
[13:36]	DaemonFC	*I* didn't have to do it.
[13:36]	matey	/me completely relates to dfc on this actually
[13:36]	mjg59_	Roy's also accused me of calling him transphobic, which I don't believe I've ever done
[13:36]	DaemonFC	They don't exist anymore.
[13:37]	mjg59_	I've accused him of tolerating transphobia, but that's not the same thing
[13:37]	matey	thats probably a nuance he hasnt given serious consideration to
[13:37]	DaemonFC	So, when someone does something really nasty to you, jump into the future. Say "This is the past and they're going to fall over dead someday and blink into non-existence. Like we all do.".
[13:37]	DaemonFC	Then get over it.
[13:37]	mjg59_	But that one has no impact on the rest of my life, so whatever
[13:37]	DaemonFC	File it away somewhere, don't think about it again.
[13:38]	matey	sort of like the nuance of me deciding derek taylor wasnt worth my time anymore and me going on some sort of rampage about it
[13:38]	mjg59_	And obviously all the disagreements about secure boot and other related technologies are legitimate disagreements
[13:38]	matey	yeah im sort of anti-secure-boot myself
[13:38]	matey	i mean, im sure theres some legitimacy to your technical arguments about it
[13:38]	matey	but as to a matter of approach, we can probably never agree
[13:38]	matey	and you seem realistic about that.
[13:38]	mjg59_	Yeah we can approach this from different angles and have different positions on it
[13:38]	mjg59_	That's fine
[13:38]	DaemonFC	Well, you know. Lawyers are in business because people can't let something go and so it's like "drinking poison and expecting someone else to die".
[13:39]	mjg59_	Not even upset about people thinking that I'm actually evil for it
[13:39]	matey	actually im willing to accept the possibility that secure boot itself is evil and youre merely misguided
[13:39]	DaemonFC	My sister-in-law spent thousands on a lawyer purely for her own emotional blowout against me. And at the end of the day, it didn't affect us at all.
[13:39]	DaemonFC	She was out the money, and it made absolutely no difference to us.
[13:39]	matey	my only REAL quarrel with you is over rms of course
[13:40]	matey	but its you and 3000 other people so
[13:40]	mjg59_	But once you're falsely claiming that I do something that's incompatible with some of my other professional ethical requirements, that's a problem
[13:40]	DaemonFC	Revenge is not a good business to be in.
[13:40]	DaemonFC	Except for the lawyers, I guess.
[13:41]	DaemonFC	She's so underwater on her house, cars, and credit card statements that she'll never see the light of day again, and she's trying to resort to paper terrorism?
[13:41]	matey	but at least you explained your personal motivations
[13:41]	DaemonFC	I'd pity her except it wastes energy. I just use it as an example.
[13:41]	matey	<mjg59_> But once you're falsely claiming that I do something that's incompatible with some of my other professional ethical requirements, that's a problem <- yes
[13:41]	DaemonFC	Someone shooting themselves in their foor.
[13:41]	mjg59_	All I want is for the accusation to be deleted and a correction to be posted
[13:41]	DaemonFC	*foot
[13:42]	mjg59_	Literally all I asked for
[13:42]	mjg59_	Did not ask for any money or anything
[13:42]	matey	well i think this is more about pride than ethics or anything
[13:42]	matey	i didnt say yours
[13:43]	mjg59_	And then Roy recorded a video that reiterated the false accusations and involved him tearing up the letter
[13:44]	mjg59_	So, eh, I feel like we may not be in a space where reasonable discussion can occur
[13:44]	mjg59_	Open to it if he changes his mind
[13:44]	matey	every year, everything within a 2-continent radius of the fsf turns more and more into the (american) office.
[13:44]	matey	"I feel like we may not be in a space where reasonable discussion can occur" that is more or less why im here
[13:44]	matey	because i know it cant
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[13:45]	mjg59_	Anyway, like I said, I signed the rms letter because of my personal experiences with rms prioritising his own interests over the free software community in ways that harmed them
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[13:45]	matey	yes you explained it
[13:45]	matey	i didnt mention it for the sake of rehashing it, only clarification
[13:45]	DaemonFC	The ShitHub Letter......(Microsoft ShitHub)
[13:45]	DaemonFC	Where your project can die any minute because of the US DMCA.
[13:46]	TR News	Linux Mints New Upgrade Tool Aims to Make the Update Process a Breeze http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163423#comment-33298
[13:46]	TR Bot	 Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Will Be Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, New Upgrade Tool in the Works | Tux Machines
[13:46]	matey	i mean if its mirrored it wont necessarily die
[13:46]	matey	its more like a damn good stabbing
[13:46]	DaemonFC	It's extremely dangerous to rely on ShitHub because once they close down your repo, you'll lose all of your commit history if nothing else, unless you have it all mirrored somewhere else.
[13:46]	matey	it definitely fucks with the inertia of a project to be forced to move
[13:46]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Uh it's git every single checkout has the commit history
[13:47]	DaemonFC	If you're only using GitHub as a mirror of the real repo, which is somewhere else, I suppose the potential for harm is limited.
[13:47]	DaemonFC	But don't let them be your only copy.
[13:48]	matey	even i dont worry about mirrors, if theyre strictly treated as mirrors
[13:48]	mjg59_	Someone had to push their tree to github in the first place
[13:48]	DaemonFC	It'll be a cold cold day in Hell before I trust Microsoft with any important data.
[13:48]	mjg59_	There's pretty much definitionally another copy of it
[13:48]	matey	a lot of mirrors are very responsive to "just the tip" strategies, unfortunately
[13:49]	matey	and thats another thing-- we will use every kind of saucy metaphor we can think up here
[13:49]	matey	but once someone means it literally! oh, boy!
[13:49]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, Recently, IKEA threatened the developer of a DOOM port to one of their smart lamps.
[13:49]	DaemonFC	He took the entire thing down and won't give it to anyone.
[13:50]	mjg59_	So you're saying that the source still exists
[13:50]	mjg59_	Including commit history
[13:50]	matey	/me probably wont buy anything from ikea ever again
[13:50]	DaemonFC	How do you even threaten someone for telling people how to disassemble a smart lamp and run some code on a processor?
[13:50]	matey	<DaemonFC> How do you even threaten someone for telling people how to disassemble a smart lamp and run some code on a processor? <- lawyers!
[13:50]	mjg59_	That's a great question!
[13:50]	mjg59_	And, hilariously, the DMCA does not give hosting providers much leeway in making that decision themselves
[13:50]	mjg59_	We said this was bad back in 2000!
[13:50]	matey	the dmca is a big pile of shit
[13:51]	mjg59_	Companies that are forced to adhere to the DMCA have to make bad decisions
[13:51]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I totally ignore the DMCA myself.
[13:52]	matey	it just goes over your head then
[13:52]	DaemonFC	Use service providers in countries where it doesn't apply and the notices go right into the trash.
[13:52]	matey	to your isp or whatever
[13:52]	matey	Use service providers in countries where it doesn't apply <- that might work
[13:52]	matey	of course there are other treaties to be wary of, but you must know that already
[13:52]	matey	unless youre running something on a scale of kim dot com...
[13:53]	matey	someones sharing files! send in the marines!
[13:53]	DaemonFC	The DMCA has given rise to an industry of Americans hiding themselves behind foreign-owned VPNs and Tor, and using Pseudonyms to publish things to shield themselves from lawsuits.
[13:53]	matey	fuck the marines, send in the navy seals!
[13:53]	DaemonFC	But there's more "copyright infringement" now than ever before.
[13:53]	mjg59_	matey: Unfortunately it's pretty much an implementation of a WIPO agreement, so most countries end up with something similar that's just less generally understood
[13:53]	DaemonFC	The DMCA has failed spectacularly and given foreign companies a strong selling point.
[13:54]	matey	Unfortunately it's pretty much an implementation of a WIPO agreement, so most countries end up with something similar that's just less generally understood <- indeed
[13:54]	matey	and people wonder why i hate the united nations
[13:54]	matey	its not because im right wing (which im not)
[13:54]	matey	the states were content with public domain unless registered
[13:55]	matey	but in the 1970s wipo finally backed them into a wall
[13:55]	matey	software wasnt copyrightable either. they "fixed" that too
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[13:56]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, The US has been the nastiest and most forceful, for sure.
[13:56]	DaemonFC	I mean, it seems in many other countries, that people figure something out pretty fast.
[13:56]	matey	well sure. it may let europe fight for years and get tired before it does anything
[13:56]	DaemonFC	The Pirate Bay has been around for like, 20 years or more.
[13:56]	matey	but when it does finally show up, it tends to be nasty
[13:56]	DaemonFC	They got raided a few times, but for lack of any specific Swedish law against them doing what they do, their stuff always comes back.
[13:57]	mjg59_	UK implemented a bunch of equivalent law in 2002
[13:57]	DaemonFC	It's essentially like being SWATed. There's no legal underpinning for it.
[13:57]	mjg59_	We're 20 years into this shit
[13:57]	mjg59_	Ended up having an argument with David Braben about this in a pub back then
[13:57]	matey	make the world a better place, send a lawyer into space
[13:57]	mjg59_	(He's a copyright maximalist)
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[13:58]	matey	we only get fucked if they make first contact
[13:58]	activelow	copyright and enforcment themselves must remain compliant with constitutional state and rule of law
[13:59]	matey	<activelow> copyright and enforcment themselves must remain compliant with constitutional state and rule of law <- unfortunately, this is not at all true in practice
[13:59]	matey	as lessig can easily demonstrate.
[13:59]	DaemonFC	All the laws do is force copyright infringement methods to burrow in deeper.
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[13:59]	matey	he went to challenge ctea on constitutional grounds
[13:59]	activelow	slight off-topic, nonetheless, most of what "music industry" is distribution is violating EBU standards and public health ("loudness war")
[13:59]	matey	scotus replied "if this was unconstitutional we would have already said so"
[13:59]	activelow	i mean, in compliance with law, most of what music industry is selling is in violation of law to begin with
[13:59]	matey	which i consider a cheeky non-answer
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[14:00]	matey	but i dont have much hope for scotus.
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[14:00]	activelow	yet, those criminals rather dicuss copying and threats to their business model
[14:00]	matey	yet, those criminals rather dicuss copying and threats to their business model <- they dont poop
[14:00]	matey	only we poop
[14:00]	matey	thats something they would never do!
[14:01]	matey	poop is concentrated evil coming out of your rectum. if you poop, its probably because you did something bad.
[14:01]	DaemonFC	The RIAA v. Napster case actually caused an explosion of "piracy".
[14:01]	activelow	in USA it is bs1770, in EU it is ebu-128r, besides WHO and hearing protection (although WHO isn't competent, RIIAA and EBU are)
[14:01]	matey	stop being a bad person and you wont poop anymore
[14:01]	DaemonFC	After the courts gave them the ruling, Napster got shut down. But...Napster was very limited.
[14:02]	DaemonFC	The protocol sucked. It was inefficient (direct download, basically), it could only (officially) share MP3s, and it depended upon a central server.
[14:02]	matey	precedents are precedents though
[14:02]	activelow	i mean, almost everything which is distributed by "music industry" is in violation of law, regardless of how it is distributed
[14:02]	activelow	furthermore, too public broadcasters funded with tax-payers money violate EBU-128r
[14:02]	DaemonFC	Everything newer than Napster shares arbitrary file types, from multiple peers, and most of them have no central server.
[14:03]	matey	per se
[14:03]	DaemonFC	So the RIAA/MPAA got some more "court victories", but what did it accomplish?
[14:03]	DaemonFC	They shut down things like Kazaa.
[14:03]	matey	they drove infringement further underground
[14:03]	MinceR	it made some fascists feel good
[14:03]	matey	this is a predictable pattern too
[14:03]	DaemonFC	Kazaa had a very weak file hashing system, and the RIAA was already poisoning its network.
[14:04]	matey	in france they used to crack down (literally) on fabric pattern infringment
[14:04]	DaemonFC	They did more damage by polluting it with fake files than they did by shutting it down in court.
[14:04]	matey	they would grant monopolies on certain fabric patterns to nobility
[14:04]	activelow	and, concerning video games, there's certainly one or another public health concern to discuss
[14:04]	matey	as a gift or whatever
[14:04]	matey	so in france, if you copied these patterns, you had to pay royalties
[14:04]	DaemonFC	So then with Kazaa and Napster and others out of the way, there's nothing "good enough" to work anymore, and BitTorrent comes out.
[14:04]	matey	the punishment for infringement went all the way up to "breaking on the wheel"
[14:05]	DaemonFC	Suddenly it's much harder to corrupt data in transit, and there's things like PeX and DHT and magnet links.
[14:05]	MinceR	also, it inspired some ISPs to make their services even shittier
[14:05]	matey	did it stop people from copying fabric patterns? fuck no
[14:05]	matey	they could make it a capital crime and people would still do it
[14:05]	DaemonFC	Yes, ISPs tried throttling it, and were sued.
[14:05]	matey	people REALLY LIKE TO SHARE STUFF
[14:05]	DaemonFC	I sued Comcast in that class action, btw.
[14:05]	matey	even if it might cost them their life
[14:05]	DaemonFC	They lost and paid a settlement and agreed to quit using Sandvine.
[14:06]	matey	<DaemonFC> I sued Comcast in that class action, btw. <- nice
[14:06]	DaemonFC	So really, the big threat to BitTorrent is there's a lot of ways for them to see your IP address and log it.
[14:06]	DaemonFC	Then they can threaten you via your ISP and maybe (but not usually) sue. If your ISP gets enough DMCA letters, it may well boot you off their service.
[14:07]	DaemonFC	But you can run a VPN and then open BitTorrent, and as long as the VPN is configured correctly, your ISP doesn't know you're using it. Only that there's something using traffic.
[14:07]	matey	and then you can go online and appeal it with the virtual court sys-- oh
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[14:09]	DaemonFC	Yeah, the ISPs have adopted "Six Strikes"-like policies so nobody can accuse them of doing nothing.
[14:09]	DaemonFC	Especially after Cox lost against the MPAA.
[14:09]	matey	and this is why i never go to movies or buy music
[14:09]	matey	frankly the whole industry can die in a fucking fire
[14:09]	DaemonFC	The only way to be safe from the ISP is to poke their eye out with some sort of VPN or Tor.
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[14:09]	DaemonFC	You don't want to browse or download anything in the clear anymore.
[14:10]	DaemonFC	Too easy to get threatened for it.
[14:12]	DaemonFC	I was reading a lawyer's blog the other day where he figured that porn studios were allowing full copies of their videos to go onto unauthorized websites with the goal of eventually suing people who went there and watched them in their web browser.
[14:13]	matey	with the goal of eventually suing people who went there and watched them <- except watching isnt infringment
[14:13]	DaemonFC	There were a few that got caught uploading their own videos. They'll still do that, but they'll take more aggressive action now to hide the fact that it's them doing it.
[14:13]	matey	you have to distribute
[14:14]	matey	the reason they got kazaa users is that downloading becomes distribution
[14:14]	matey	no idea how that deals with leaches
[14:14]	matey	probably by insinuating they dont exist
[14:14]	matey	at any rate the default is non-leaching
[14:14]	matey	and most people use default settings
[14:15]	DaemonFC	Well, I leeched off of Kazaa without sharing anything.
[14:15]	matey	thats you
[14:15]	DaemonFC	Kazaa tracked your share ratio though.
[14:15]	matey	of course
[14:15]	DaemonFC	What it did was it calculated it, and the lower it fell, the worse your download speed got.
[14:16]	DaemonFC	But when you patched it out of the client (it was client-side), you could set your participation level to 1,000 (maximum) without sharing anything.
[14:16]	matey	leaches of course are only an issue if there are too many
[14:16]	DaemonFC	Then you always got priority over legitimate users.
[14:16]	matey	Then you always got priority over legitimate users. <- at this point its just the prisoners dilemma
[14:17]	DaemonFC	https://www.wired.com/2002/04/kazaa-lite-no-spyware-aftertaste/
[14:17]	TR Bot	Lite: No Spyware Aftertaste | WIRED
[14:17]	DaemonFC	Kazaa Lite basically installed Kazaa without unpacking and installing the spyware.
[14:18]	DaemonFC	Then I can't recall if it was that or Kazaa++ or whatever it was that added all of the features of the premium version and set your participation to 1,000.
[14:18]	DaemonFC	"PARTICIPATE! PARTICIPAAAAAAATE!"
[14:18]	MinceR	EXTERMINATE!
[14:19]	DaemonFC	I also had a program for Yahoo Messenger that blocked the advertisements, added an anti-spam challenge to everyone who messaged me, and protected me from "boot tools".
[14:20]	DaemonFC	Also, I had a boot tool that let me boot other people off of Yahoo Messengers.
[14:21]	DaemonFC	The booters were an easy way to sit back and disrupt conversations in rooms I didn't like, or to effectively have moderator powers in public chatrooms.
[14:21]	MinceR	(audio) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx1g1W7Xm7w
[14:21]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lx1g1W7Xm7w
[14:21]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | Cruel Cacos Thesis - Invidious
[14:21]	DaemonFC	The booters probably still work with the actual Yahoo software if you still run it through Escargot.
[14:22]	DaemonFC	I don't see why they wouldn't, unless the Escargot server filters out the malformed data packets before it reaches the client.
[14:28]	DaemonFC	https://www.extremetech.com/computing/324175-some-tpm-2-0-capable-systems-are-still-ineligible-for-windows-11?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook
[14:28]	TR Bot	TPM 2.0-Capable Systems Are Still Ineligible for Windows 11 - ExtremeTech
[14:29]	TR News	"Developer Room-C Games working with Croteam have announced that The Hand of Merlin will see full Steam Deck support, as work continues on their Native GNU/Linux version." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/the-hand-of-merlin-to-get-full-native-linux-and-steam-deck-support/
[14:29]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/the-hand-of-merlin-to-get-full-native-linux-and-steam-deck-support/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/the-hand-of-merlin-to-get-full-native-linux-and-steam-deck-support/
[14:29]	TR Bot	Hand of Merlin to get full Native Linux and Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux
[14:29]	DaemonFC	While people complain that Fedora is considering deprecating Legacy BIOS support (latest systems came out in 2009, I think), it's unclear as to exactly what Windows 11 will run on "with support".
[14:29]	TR News	"The original developer who was working on Steam Deck support was sadly caught up in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, with Ludeon Studios mentioning they are now safe." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/rimworld-now-includes-full-steam-deck-support/
[14:29]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/rimworld-now-includes-full-steam-deck-support/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/rimworld-now-includes-full-steam-deck-support/
[14:29]	TR Bot	now includes full Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux
[14:29]	DaemonFC	TPM 2.0 itself isn't "good enough" to avoid the "unsupported" watermark, in all cases.
[14:30]	matey	omg
[14:30]	matey	/me hugs xterm
[14:30]	TR News	"Half-Life Alyx: LEVITATION is an impressive looking upcoming mod for Valve's incredible VR experience. Probably one of the best games and gaming experiences, I've ever had. I'm itching to play a whole lot more in this world." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/half-life-alyx-levitation-promises-another-4-5-hours-of-vr-fun/
[14:30]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/half-life-alyx-levitation-promises-another-4-5-hours-of-vr-fun/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/half-life-alyx-levitation-promises-another-4-5-hours-of-vr-fun/
[14:30]	TR Bot	Alyx: LEVITATION promises another 4-5 hours of VR fun | GamingOnLinux
[14:30]	matey	copy works better than i thought
[14:30]	matey	/me must have known this trick 10 years ago but never used it
[14:31]	psydruid	I like Fedora's support policy
[14:31]	matey	it works with tk at least
[14:31]	bnchs__	matey: xterm is actually a vector terminal emulator
[14:31]	bnchs__	in a different mode
[14:31]	matey	Fedora is considering deprecating Legacy BIOS support <- wasnt aware of this
[14:32]	psydruid	I hope some day they'll abandon all of my hardware and aim only for the latest and greatest power-hogging hardware
[14:32]	matey	matey: xterm is actually a vector terminal emulator <- meaning?
[14:32]	TR News	ICBM wants people to increase Red Hat vendor lockin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/ansible-plugin-inventory-files
[14:32]	TR Bot	 How to write an Ansible plugin to create inventory files | Enable Sysadmin
[14:32]	bnchs__	meani guhhh
[14:33]	DaemonFC	Fedora says that there will probably be at least a few versions where Legacy BIOS still works, but only for upgrade installs.
[14:33]	matey	ill rephrase then-- what are you referring to other than its ability to use truetype fonts?
[14:33]	DaemonFC	Once they've blocked new installs for a while, I guess they won't have many people left using it, and can transition without lots of complaints.
[14:34]	bnchs__	no i'm not referring to that
[14:34]	bnchs__	it's a emulator that emulates vector terminals
[14:34]	bnchs__	i mean if you do xterm -t
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[14:35]	matey	-t isnt supported in this version
[14:35]	bnchs__	well weird
[14:35]	matey	maybe openbsd i dont know
[14:35]	bnchs__	xterm -t makes it emulate a Tek4014 terminal
[14:35]	bnchs__	works for me
[14:36]	TR News	OpenWrt project infrastructure addition https://openwrt.org/infrastructure?rev=1649325884&do=diff
[14:36]	TR Bot	 [OpenWrt Wiki] OpenWrt project infrastructure
[14:37]	DaemonFC	Oh this is great.
[14:37]	DaemonFC	Something is causing Firefox to freeze up now.
[14:37]	matey	https://retrocomputingforum.com/t/pidp-11-and-tek4014-vector-display-emulation/573
[14:37]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: retrocomputingforum.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://retrocomputingforum.com/t/pidp-11-and-tek4014-vector-display-emulation/573 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://retrocomputingforum.com/t/pidp-11-and-tek4014-vector-display-emulation/573
[14:37]	TR Bot	 PiDP-11 and Tek4014 vector display emulation - Discussions - Retro Computing
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[14:37]	matey	"When I do the restoration Ill get some shots of the internals. It has a bus architecture with the internal boards all wired in parallel. All terminal features are implemented in discrete logic and LSI devices like UARTs, it has no CPU."
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	DFC taken down by Firefox
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	RIP, was nice knowing you
[14:38]	bnchs__	matey: that's the true Tek4014 emulator i think
[14:38]	matey	yes
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[14:38]	bnchs__	even with it drawing slowly because of the tube
[14:39]	matey	of course
[14:39]	matey	because the tube isnt doing a raster scan
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[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	Firefox killed
[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	killall firefox-esr
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[14:39]	matey	its more like spacewar
[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	root @ gulag # killall mozilla
[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	-9 even
[14:39]	matey	"As I understand it theres not even a discrete CPU as we would think of one, but Id welcome a complete description of how it works! I believe it has a simple UART-ROM-and-glue-logic state machine."
[14:41]	matey	https://retrocomputingforum.com/uploads/default/original/1X/fb39d8fc8963d3a2e2867b44725a2d3aeb824826.png
[14:41]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: retrocomputingforum.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://retrocomputingforum.com/uploads/default/original/1X/fb39d8fc8963d3a2e2867b44725a2d3aeb824826.png https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://retrocomputingforum.com/uploads/default/original/1X/fb39d8fc8963d3a2e2867b44725a2d3aeb824826.png
[14:41]	TR News	Perl Weekly Challenge 159: Farey Sequence and Mbius Number http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/04/perl-weekly-challenge-159-farey-sequence-and-mobius-number.html
[14:41]	TR Bot	Weekly Challenge 159: Farey Sequence and Mbius Number | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org]
[14:42]	bnchs__	xterm's emulation is quick
[14:42]	bnchs__	because it doesn't implement that slowness and shit
[14:42]	bnchs__	with the added fact of no anti-aliasing because of how old xterm is
[14:43]	TR News	"I made a thread late last year inquirying about interest in ROCm packaging; in that time I've introduced a few packages amd updated a few existing packages to the latest version." https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/MPOPPUJEEG44ODBW6NRAOCVH6ARRXFV5/
[14:43]	TR Bot	 Revisiting ROCm packaging - devel - Fedora Mailing-Lists
[14:44]	matey	cool
[14:45]	TR News	ICBM: 1) be a sociopath. 2) betray colleagues. 3) slander older workers as "dinobabies". 4) be a slave of ICBM "100% of the time". 5) work for the Nazis and lie to the media about it the way IWB did. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/transition-it-management
[14:45]	TR Bot	 4 tips for transitioning into an IT management role | The Enterprisers Project
[14:45]	matey	if someone asks you what program can take advantage of tek4014 emulation
[14:45]	matey	apparently gnuplot can do this
[14:45]	matey	stackoverflow.com/questions/47691348/how-to-determine-graphics-capabilities-of-an-x11-terminal-window The standard xterm program has a Tek4014 emulation for some simple graphics output. This is however not implemented in most (all?) sucessors, like rxvt, gnome-terminal, or kterm.
[14:46]	TR News	Fedora is not "Community", ICBM. Quit pretending. You fool nobody. It used to be a community, but you've killed it, then SUED the volunteers (trying to take away their Web sites). https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/community-blog-monthly-summary-march-2022/
[14:46]	TR Bot	 Community Blog monthly summary: March 2022 Fedora Community Blog
[14:46]	matey	The command line program graph, from plotutils, and the application gnuplot can be made to use xterm's Tek emulation
[14:46]	bnchs__	xterm was orginally written for programs that don't support the X window system
[14:47]	bnchs__	and rather draws to a vector terminal
[14:47]	bnchs__	and it's probably the most oldest X11 program, 1984
[14:48]	TR News	Git started in 2005. 9 years later Microsoft made a plot to kill Git, same for Linux. https://opensource.com/article/22/4/our-favorite-git-commands
[14:48]	TR Bot	anniversary, Git! Here are our favorite Git commands | Opensource.com
[14:49]	matey	the man page mentions -t and -tn and what they do
[14:49]	matey	but i guess it was compiled without support or something
[14:50]	bnchs__	yeah
[14:50]	TR News	GitHub Issues is an issue. It's an attack on Git. Microsoft EEE.
[14:50]	matey	xterm: bad command line option "-t"
[14:50]	matey	man page says different
[14:50]	matey	xterm -t -tn tek4014
[14:51]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163454
[14:51]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[14:52]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/funny-pictures-4-4-22-1.jpg
[14:52]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/funny-pictures-4-4-22-1.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/funny-pictures-4-4-22-1.jpg
[14:52]	matey	bnchs__ have you tried sixels in xterm?
[14:53]	matey	LIES LIES LIES man.openbsd.org/xterm The xterm program is a terminal emulator for the X Window System. It provides DEC VT102/VT220 and selected features from higher-level terminals such as VT320/VT420/VT520 (VT xxx ). It also provides Tektronix 4014 emulation for programs that cannot use the window system directly.
[14:54]	matey	maybe ill try compiling it from ports sometimes
[14:54]	activelow	i had an issue with xterm, since when i switched backed to legacy unix pty with my kernel
[14:55]	activelow	*back
[14:55]	matey	term supports Sixel graphics, but it isn't enabled by default. You can launch Xterm with Sixel mode enabled using command (from another Terminal): $ xterm -ti vt340
[14:56]	matey	that command actually worked
[14:56]	matey	i dont have a way to test the feature yet
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[15:01]	activelow	could patch tmux for legacy pty on linux, and with X11 rxvt supports it too; so far didn't hit the limit of max 255 pty with this
[15:02]	activelow	out of curiosity, anyone knows if tek terminal or dec vt graphics are possible with framebuffer, without any x11?
[15:03]	bnchs__	matey: no
[15:04]	bnchs__	activelow: well yeah
[15:04]	bnchs__	if you can rasterize the vector input to the framebuffer
[15:05]	matey	not only that
[15:05]	matey	but if you can make gtk work on the frame buffer, theres no reason you shouldnt be able to run xterm there.
[15:06]	matey	or is there?
[15:06]	activelow	the framebuffer may not be the issue, it's the getty already which configures terminal type, and then any other component which had to output bitmap (or vector graphics?) into framebuffer somehow
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[15:06]	matey	it's the getty already which configures terminal type <- what i want to know is how you get gtk applications to display on the framebuffer
[15:07]	matey	because maybe if you can do that you can get xterm running there
[15:08]	TR News	Games: The Hand of Merlin, RimWorld, Half-Life Alyx: LEVITATION Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163455
[15:08]	TR Bot	 Games: The Hand of Merlin, RimWorld, Half-Life Alyx: LEVITATION | Tux Machines
[15:08]	TR News	Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163456
[15:08]	TR Bot	 Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
[15:10]	matey	it seems very odd though
[15:10]	matey	i mean one is a graphics mode and the other is a complete protocol
[15:10]	matey	graphics without x11 i understand. gtk apps without x11 not so much.
[15:11]	TR News	"FreeBSD Status Report 4th Quarter 2021, Reproducible clean $HOME in OpenBSD using impermanence, Making RockPro64 a NetBSD Server, helloSystem 0.7.0 is out, lazy approach to FreeBSD dual-booting, going to jail, and more." https://www.bsdnow.tv/449
[15:11]	TR Bot	 BSD Now 449: Reproducible clean $HOME
[15:11]	TR News	Three Internet Radio Clients for the Debian 11 Terminal Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163457
[15:11]	TR Bot	 Three Internet Radio Clients for the Debian 11 Terminal | Tux Machines
[15:13]	activelow	matey: 1) xterm doesn't require gtk at all 2) for gtk2/3 the DirectFB backend existed (yet it is broken last time i tried with a recent gtk3 version)
[15:13]	activelow	directfb itself requires some minor patches too, unrelated to GTK
[15:14]	TR News	[PATCH v10 00/14] Multi-Gen LRU Framework - Yu Zhao https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220407031525.2368067-1-yuzhao@google.com/ Source: google | gulag
[15:14]	TR Bot	 [PATCH v10 00/14] Multi-Gen LRU Framework - Yu Zhao
[15:14]	TR News	[PULL] drm-misc-next - Maxime Ripard https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220407085940.pnflvjojs4qw4b77@houat/ Source: kernel | linux
[15:14]	TR Bot	 [PULL] drm-misc-next - Maxime Ripard
[15:15]	TR News	kernel/git/crng/random.git - Development tree for the kernel CSPRNG https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/crng/random.git/commit/?id=48bff1053c172e6c7f340e506027d118147c8b7f Source: git
[15:15]	TR Bot	 kernel/git/crng/random.git - Development tree for the kernel CSPRNG
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[15:18]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR> DFC taken down by Firefox
[15:18]	DaemonFC	It seemed to have something to do with a kernel oops.
[15:18]	DaemonFC	Press F to pay respects.
[15:19]	schestowitz	two irrelevant things like a
[15:19]	schestowitz	 pair of balls https://tech.co/news/microsoft-teams-and-firefox-work-together
[15:19]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: tech.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tech.co/news/microsoft-teams-and-firefox-work-together https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://tech.co/news/microsoft-teams-and-firefox-work-together
[15:19]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Teams and Firefox Finally Decide to Play Ball
[15:20]	DaemonFC	I was considering trying Fedora Silverblue. I'm not really sure I want to deal with all of that though.
[15:20]	DaemonFC	You _can_ put RPM Fusion into it, but it sounds like upgrades to a new Fedora distribution will get interesting.
[15:20]	TR News	Foliate is undoubtedly the best eBook viewer for Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163458
[15:20]	TR Bot	 Foliate is undoubtedly the best eBook viewer for Linux | Tux Machines
[15:21]	DaemonFC	You have to remove the RPM Fusion repo and then install the signing key for the new Fedora release RPM Fusion repo, or else rpm-ostree will attempt to layer RPMs from the old release onto the new ostree image, and fail.
[15:21]	TR News	Xubuntu 22.04 LTS - New Features and Release Details https://www.debugpoint.com/2022/04/xubuntu-22-04-lts/ Source: DebugPoint | GNU | Linux
[15:21]	TR Bot	reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.debugpoint.com/2022/04/xubuntu-22-04-lts/ )
[15:22]	DaemonFC	It seems like you'd be better off leaving RPM Fusion alone on such a system and just leaning heavily on Flatpaks if the RPM you want to layer is not in Fedora itself.
[15:23]	DaemonFC	I'm not exactly certain who would be using Silverblue. It seems like overly burdensome system administration for questionable benefits.
[15:23]	TR News	"The SOFA (Start Often Finish rArely) attitude is something Ive often resented in my own self because I wastedor it felt like waste, at the timemy life up to age 26 or so before I had the toolbox to more intentionally and directedly focus my time." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/sofa
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[15:49]	lightbringer	irc is down and web is down, apparently
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[15:54]	DaemonFC	That time it was the server.
[15:55]	schestowitz-TR	yes, it was a purely network issue
[15:55]	schestowitz-TR	upstream at the DC
[15:55]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, I'm going to have them look at my car again today.
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[15:55]	DaemonFC	I think, but am not certain, that I have an alternator that's glitching out sometimes.
[15:55]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: it was the network where the server is
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[15:55]	DaemonFC	The display goes dim, the battery light may come on, and the power steering goes out for a few seconds sometimes, mostly when it's very cold outside, and especially in rain or snow.
[15:56]		*bnchs__ is now known as bnchs
[15:56]	bnchs	reidentified
[15:56]	DaemonFC	Then it all comes back up. It's like the alternator just stops working for a few seconds and then it's okay again.
[15:57]	DaemonFC	The bearings inside it are making a clicking noise.
[15:57]	DaemonFC	Just bad bearings alone probably aren't doing it, but it is the sign of an alternator that's potentially already damaged further.
[15:58]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Even a total piece of shit car right now is starting at $6,000.
[15:58]	DaemonFC	So there's some pressure to just keep fixing this thing as long as I can.
[15:59]	DaemonFC	$6,000 gets you something 15 years old with rust and a bunch of worn out parts.
[15:59]	DaemonFC	Can you believe that shit?
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[15:59]	TR News	The pandemic shows that the state is already withering away, just not in the cool way Marx and Engels predicted gemini://beyondneolithic.life/posts/withering.gmi
[15:59]	DaemonFC	I had someone offer me $4,000 the other day for the Impala.
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[16:00]	TR News	"one thing that annoys me is that it's currently only capable of receiving mail, not sending it. Again, this has its benefits (I can be fairly certain nobody's relaying spam via my server), but it does have an obvious downside - on the off chance that somebody _does_ mail that address I have no easy way to reply." gemini://thelambdalab.xyz/phlog/2019-08-27-Email-woes.txt
[16:00]	DaemonFC	It's actually gone up in value by about $2,000 (double) since 2019! Private party.
[16:00]	DaemonFC	This is what I was complaining to mjg59_ about.
[16:00]	DaemonFC	These fucking smart cars and fuel mandates.
[16:01]	DaemonFC	They're making people desperate. Clinging more tightly even to stuff that's really really old.
[16:01]	DaemonFC	The US is going to turn into Cuba with the cars where people just keep fixing old ones as long as they possibly can.
[16:01]	MinceR	you have Stupid Cars in the USA?
[16:01]	DaemonFC	Because they can't get a new one because a leftist government took over and mandated all sorts of stupid shit that drove new car prices into orbit.
[16:02]	MinceR	(daimler's attempt at making a kei car)
[16:02]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Oddly, the government is pricing people out of all of the cars with better safety features and gas mileage.
[16:02]	DaemonFC	So there's no real improvement at all for most people.
[16:02]	DaemonFC	Trump's regulations on fuel economy and "safety features", rolling them back that is, made more sense than Biden's regulations.
[16:03]	DaemonFC	Part of the figures cited under Trump was the fact that new cars with all of the mandates would be so expensive it would smother the market for cars that already achieved better gas mileage and safety standards already due to market forces.
[16:04]	DaemonFC	The fuel economy standards Biden wants are not designed to be practical, they're designed to destroy the car market unless you're rich and can just pay the CAFE fine and get a Mercedes V12 with mjg59_ auto-drive.
[16:04]	MinceR	something similar is happening in the EU
[16:05]	MinceR	city cars are practically extinct because of environmental regulations
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[16:05]	MinceR	and the governments are pretending that BEVs are zero emission
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[16:05]	DaemonFC	The Republican social policies will win and it will be because of Democrats on the economy and environment.
[16:05]	schestowitz-TR	omission of power source
[16:05]	DaemonFC	These people are so narcissistic that they make speeches about controlling the weather.
[16:05]	schestowitz-TR	batteries are omitted, not counted
[16:06]	MinceR	someone pointed out that some tank would comply with the EU emission regulations because they get to emit more CO2 if they're massive enough
[16:06]	DaemonFC	Battery cars are dumb. Really dumb.
[16:06]	DaemonFC	There's no infrastructure for them and they subsist on direct subsidies and tax evasion.
[16:07]	DaemonFC	The infrastructure problem could be solved.
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[16:07]	DaemonFC	But if you ever stop subsidizing them then the market will crater.
[16:08]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Pretty much all the problems with the economy go to the government trying to control it yet putting in people who are criminals lining their own pockets, and folks who additionally have no idea what they're doing.
[16:08]	MinceR	the government _is_ a bunch of criminals
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[16:14]	lightbringer	and there it goes again
[16:14]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[16:14]	schestowitz-TR	it's predicted
[16:14]	schestowitz-TR	if they work on something
[16:14]	schestowitz-TR	it'll settle down soon, but not sure when
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[16:22]	schestowitz-TR	it is a much bigger pronblem if it happens when cron jobs go off at 2am
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[16:23]	schestowitz-TR	or when I'm asleep
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[16:25]	bnchs__	schestowitz, do you keep restarting the IRC server?
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[16:25]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs__: no
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR	there is a network issue at the datacentre
[16:25]		*bnchs__ is now known as bnchs
[16:25]	schestowitz-TR	100% outside my control
[16:26]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs: more details in #boycottnovell channel
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[16:27]	schestowitz-TR	scrollback
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR	it causes many other issues
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[16:27]	bnchs	yeah
[16:27]	schestowitz-TR	like 20 tasks I'm doing right now
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[16:30]	TR News	HEY HI (!!) camera https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/07/ankermake-m5-3d-printer-ai-camera-fast-printing/
[16:30]	TR Bot	 AnkerMake M5 3D printer comes with AI camera, prints at up to 300mm/s (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software
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[16:31]	bnchs	haha
[16:31]	bnchs	3D printer has AI camera
[16:31]	bnchs	so kewl
[16:31]	bnchs	BUY
[16:32]	TR News	Why spent so much money on a PC? At $6500 it's like a car. https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/07/arm-systemready-sr-certified-ampere-altra-developer-platform/
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[16:33]	TR News	Microsoft trap. Avoid. https://www.how2shout.com/linux/how-to-install-umbraco-cms-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts/
[16:33]	TR Bot	 How to install Umbraco CMS on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS - Linux Shout
[16:34]	bnchs	wait wtf
[16:34]	bnchs	cnx-software.com is IPv6 only or something?
[16:35]	TR News	"SystemReady SR certification includes verification testing of Ubuntu Server 20.04.3 ... Fedora Server 35, FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE, CentOS stream 9, and Debian 11.2." https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/04/p26514933/adlinks-ampere-altra-developer-platform-with-arm-systemready-certification
[16:35]	TR Bot	Ampere Altra Developer Platform with Arm SystemReady Certification - Benzinga
[16:35]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs: they had dns trouble lately
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[16:36]	bnchs	well my ISP is IPv4-only so it might be a problem
[16:37]	TR News	No, Microsoft (criminals) GitHub page does not impress me. PopOS should shun proprietary software like that. https://www.makeuseof.com/pop-os-release-2204-beta-linux/
[16:37]	TR Bot	 Pop!_OS Teases Intrepid Linux Users With the 22.04 Beta Release
[16:38]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs: one day all the internet will be dead
[16:38]	schestowitz-TR	or centralised 
[16:38]	schestowitz-TR	then shut down ;-)
[16:38]	matey	or not
[16:38]	bnchs	i don't want it to be dead
[16:38]	Ariadne	thank u noction
[16:38]	matey	roy: nihilism isnt the real answer to tech problems
[16:38]	Ariadne	the answer to this problem is to get isps to properly configure noction
[16:39]	schestowitz-TR	I never heard of noction
[16:39]	bnchs	wtf is noction
[16:39]	matey	/me has never heard of noction, but maybe its cool
[16:39]	bnchs	now how do you think i'm gonna pitch this to my ISP
[16:39]	matey	its probably dns-related or something
[16:40]	schestowitz-TR	network auction :-)
[16:40]	Ariadne	it's a "network optimizer" that pings IP addresses and optimizes which routes get selected for a given IP
[16:40]	matey	or something to do with admin acess
[16:40]	Ariadne	but sometimes people configure it incorrectly
[16:40]	Ariadne	and leak their "optimizations"
[16:40]	Ariadne	to the public bgp table
[16:40]	matey	it's a "network optimizer" that pings IP addresses and optimizes which routes get selected for a given IP <- any privacy / censorship risks?
[16:40]	matey	to the public bgp table <- / ddos risks?
[16:40]	bnchs	if i see a buzzword like AI i'm gonna dump it
[16:40]	Ariadne	no to the first, yes to the second
[16:40]	schestowitz-TR	Ariadne: logging-wise, one irc user is always there, on the local network
[16:41]	Ariadne	i don't recommend using noction
[16:41]	Ariadne	it is crap
[16:41]	schestowitz-TR	so I can get any missing bits seamed up later :-)
[16:41]	bnchs	wow ironic it's slow as fuck
[16:41]	matey	<Ariadne> i don't recommend using noction <Ariadne> it is crap <- is is the reason the network is fuckity today?
[16:41]	matey	<Ariadne> thank u noction
[16:41]	Ariadne	yes
[16:41]	MinceR	lol
[16:41]	matey	there you go
[16:41]	Ariadne	because somebody at some shithole isp
[16:41]	Ariadne	is using noction
[16:42]	matey	/me doesnt recommend noction either
[16:42]	bnchs	well not me
[16:42]	Ariadne	and its leaking duplicate routes
[16:42]	matey	because its obnoctious
[16:42]	schestowitz-TR	"you only had one job(TM)"
[16:42]	matey	and its leaking duplicate routes <- maybe theyre running gnome :)
[16:42]	matey	gnoction
[16:43]	matey	its like gnoction but even worse
[16:43]	matey	and it needs half your ram
[16:43]	matey	gnoction <- its like gnoction but even worse <- only gnome could make a program thats even worse than itself
[16:43]	bnchs	gnoction
[16:43]	bnchs	uses dbus
[16:43]	matey	yes!
[16:43]	bnchs	leaks half your memory
[16:43]	matey	it uses it twice
[16:44]	bnchs	then eventually crashes after leaking the entire kernel memory
[16:44]	matey	its supposed to use dbus only once-- theyre working on this :)
[16:44]	matey	systemd-noctiond
[16:44]	Ariadne	noction is a slimey company too
[16:44]	matey	slimey companies and shitty projects go hand in hand
[16:44]	Ariadne	they went and got a bunch of software patents on this
[16:44]	matey	because how are you going to sell a shitty project without bullshitting people and doubling down?
[16:45]	matey	and if youre willing to lie all the time, why go to the trouble of making a GOOD project? lying is easier.
[16:45]	Ariadne	well
[16:45]	bnchs	systemd-noctiond is also worse
[16:46]	matey	/me apparently spells product with a j now, but thats good
[16:46]	Ariadne	outbound route optimization isn't bullshit, but you can get good results by doing it by hand
[16:46]	Ariadne	no need to spend 5 grand on a noction license
[16:46]	bnchs	lol they got software patents on network optimization
[16:46]	matey	<bnchs> systemd-noctiond is also worse <- gnome requires it now for network-manager
[16:46]	bnchs	i hope they eat shit
[16:46]	matey	<Ariadne> no need to spend 5 grand <- woof
[16:46]	bnchs	patents are what's stopping technology from progressing
[16:47]	bnchs	because patents are made by people who value money more
[16:47]	Ariadne	bnchs: they tried to sue internap (which has been selling route-optimized ip transit for 20 years) for violating their patents
[16:47]	Ariadne	its literally
[16:47]	matey	<bnchs> patents are what's stopping technology from progressing <- in general. here its just stopping competitors from making an equally shitty product
[16:47]	matey	plus the other thing which is actually bad.
[16:47]	Ariadne	they ping some set of IPs / websites
[16:47]	Ariadne	and weight the transit providers accordingly
[16:47]	Ariadne	to reduce ping time
[16:47]	Ariadne	thats all it is
[16:47]	matey	maybe theyll piss off anonymous or something
[16:47]	Ariadne	problem is, they inject weighted routes
[16:48]	Ariadne	and those routes leak
[16:48]	Ariadne	if you don't set up your filters properly
[16:48]	bnchs	software patents shouldn't even be a thing
[16:48]	bnchs	because they're holding back the advancement
[16:48]	matey	<bnchs> software patents shouldn't even be a thing <- make the world a better place
[16:49]	bnchs	they're a tool for greedy companies to ruin technology
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[16:50]	TR Bot	 Dash to Panel Adds GNOME 42 Support | Tux Machines
[16:50]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163460
[16:50]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[16:56]	DaemonFC	"Can I Save Money with a Used Alternator?
[16:56]	DaemonFC	This is one of the most inadvisable things to do."
[16:56]	DaemonFC	LOL
[16:57]	DaemonFC	Yeah, let's pull a used wear item that probably has similar mileage to the one we took off.
[16:57]	schestowitz	Thu 15:08:20   MinceR the government _is_ a bunch of criminals
[16:57]	schestowitz	Thu 15:08:29   DaemonFC That's generally what's wrong with Chicago.
[16:57]	schestowitz	Thu 15:09:40   DaemonFC Democrats are criminals at best and very dimwitted criminals at their worst.
[16:57]	schestowitz	Thu 15:09:40   DaemonFC And dimwitted criminals are perhaps more dangerous because they still wield power.
[16:57]	schestowitz	these bits only went missing from the logger
[16:57]	schestowitz	so reproduced above
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[16:59]	matey	"This is one of the most inadvisable things to do" i wouldnt put one in a plane, for example
[16:59]	matey	/me was in a plane when the alternator (magneto) went out
[16:59]	matey	but thats why they have two of them
● Apr 07
[17:00]	matey	/me blames charles xavier
[17:01]	matey	of course these days magneto is already out, so
[17:04]	TR News	Gulag: we give the NSA back doors. But YOUR "apps" are not secure. https://www.maketecheasier.com/google-play-store-block-android-apps-dont-update/
[17:04]	TR Bot	 Google Play Store to Block Android Apps that Don't Update - Make Tech Easier
[17:04]	TR News	KDE neon 20220407 is out. Great distro! https://neon.kde.org/
[17:04]	TR Bot	 KDE neon
[17:06]	bnchs	social control media should just be over
[17:06]	TR News	Microsoft Windows Update is also technically a botnet, but this one won't be removed https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/04/us-disrupts-russian-botnet.html
[17:06]	TR Bot	Disrupts Russian Botnet - Schneier on Security
[17:06]	bnchs	just get rid of all social media
[17:06]	bnchs	even alternatives
[17:06]	bnchs	and go back
[17:07]	TR News	Elive 3.8.27 is out
[17:08]	TR News	"A CVSS v3 base score of 7.5 has been calculated;" Proprietary software, so Microsoft-funded media won't make fuss over it. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-21-278-01
[17:08]	TR Bot	 Mitsubishi Electric GOT and Tension Controller (Update A) | CISA
[17:09]	TR News	"Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity" om this proprietary software https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-097-02 "Successful exploitation of these vulnerabilities could cause the affect device to become unresponsive, resulting in a denial-of-service condition and requiring a manual reboot."
[17:09]	TR Bot	 ABB SPIET800 and PNI800 | CISA
[17:10]	matey	<bnchs> just get rid of all social media <- websites and gemini are better
[17:10]	matey	theyre just better in every fucking way
[17:11]	matey	in theory social media has advantages... in practice social media is a fucking dumpster fire
[17:11]	matey	they keep trying to reform it, making it a temporarily reformed dumpster fire
[17:11]	matey	then it just becomes a federated dumpster fire, its incredible
[17:12]	bnchs	federation is also shit
[17:12]	matey	yes
[17:13]	bnchs	federated social media can go away with social media
[17:13]	matey	yes
[17:13]	schestowitz-TR	it can censor. check.
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[17:13]	schestowitz-TR	it shuts down. check.
[17:14]	schestowitz-TR	in fediverse I lost 3 accounts this way
[17:14]	schestowitz-TR	in diapora one
[17:14]	schestowitz-TR	and now they say I need to wait months for the account to be merely migrated
[17:14]	schestowitz-TR	and wherever it migrates to will also shut down some day, maybe in a few years
[17:14]	bnchs	the entire concept of a social media is flawed
[17:14]	matey	or right after migration!
[17:14]	schestowitz-TR	so both identica and mastodon have this issue
[17:15]	matey	or possibly while migration is pending
[17:15]	schestowitz-TR	(or pleroma etc.)
[17:15]	matey	idontica
[17:15]	matey	ididntica
[17:15]	schestowitz-TR	rss works better
[17:15]	schestowitz-TR	we had it right 20 years ago
[17:15]	schestowitz	https://anildash.com/2012/12/13/the_web_we_lost/
[17:15]	TR Bot	 The Web We Lost
[17:16]	schestowitz	https://gizmodo.com/the-web-we-lost-5968475
[17:16]	TR Bot	 The Web We Lost
[17:16]	matey	social media is the inbred cousin of rss that keeps getting busted for a dui
[17:16]	schestowitz	Anil Dash on The Web We Lost - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9KKMnoTTHJk Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia  ]
[17:16]	TR Bot	 Anil Dash on The Web We Lost - Invidious
[17:17]	schestowitz-TR	matey: social control media= rss + censorship
[17:17]	schestowitz-TR	+ meddling, plus downtimes etc.
[17:17]	schestowitz-TR	like people who outsourced to feedburner
[17:17]	schestowitz-TR	than gulag
[17:17]	schestowitz-TR	then shut down
[17:17]	schestowitz-TR	lost all their followers
[17:18]	matey	/me thought friendfeed was cool
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR	which they took 10+ years to gain
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR	wrote many good things, got subscribed
[17:18]	matey	of course it didnt last
[17:18]	matey	you always end up being a product of these things
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR	bam. goodbye. gulag has other plans.
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR	gulag has so much power over a lot of blog
[17:18]	matey	gulag: was it good for you?
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR	to spy 
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR	to censor
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR	not it shuts it all down
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR	billion subscriptions canceled
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[17:18]	matey	they didnt even violate the coc!
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR	with the flip of a switch on feedburner servers
[17:18]	matey	and they got cancelled anyway
[17:19]	schestowitz-TR	i always warned people about outsourcing rss feed
[17:19]	schestowitz-TR	for some "feeeechures"
[17:19]	schestowitz-TR	"I WANT TO SPY ON MY SUBS!!! I NEED TO UNDERSTAND!!"
[17:19]	schestowitz-TR	"yes, well, that didn't work out well at the end, did it?"
[17:20]	schestowitz	https://www.cyberciti.biz/linux-news/update-your-nixcraft-rss-feed/
[17:20]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.cyberciti.biz/linux-news/update-your-nixcraft-rss-feed/ )
[17:20]	schestowitz	"
[17:20]	schestowitz	nixCraft content is available using RSS format. The blog is hosted at www.cyberciti.biz, but an RSS feed is available from the www.cyberciti.com domain. Many of you consume nixCraft content via RSS/ATOM feed, creating load on the origin server. Not to mention Cloudflare web application firewall (WAF/CDN) aggressively blocks RSS/ATOM feed sometimes. Hence, RSS/ATOM feed is available from separate domains and servers with aggressive caching policy. I 
[17:20]	schestowitz	am tight on resources, plus it makes it easier to manage static and dynamic content.
[17:20]	schestowitz	I already placed HTTP/301 in place, but I cannot control feedburner.com or google.com hosted content. Therefore I request everyone to update their RSS feed URL.
[17:20]	schestowitz	"
[17:20]	schestowitz	the key aprt:
[17:20]	schestowitz	"The lesson is evident here, not to trust 3rd party with your RSS feed or content. I will never forgive Google for erasing Google Reader RSS/Atom feed aggregator. I lost many readers because of that move."
[17:20]	schestowitz	https://support.google.com/feedburner/answer/10483501
[17:20]	TR Bot	 Upcoming changes to FeedBurner in July 2021 - FeedBurner Help
[17:20]	schestowitz	"Starting in July, we are transitioning FeedBurner onto a more stable, modern infrastructure. This will keep the product up and running for all users, but it also means that we will be turning down most non-core feed management features, including email subscriptions, at that time.
[17:21]	schestowitz	their twitter account is not even responding
[17:21]	schestowitz	they judt don't care
[17:21]	schestowitz	"transitioning FeedBurner onto a more stable, modern infrastructure"
[17:21]	schestowitz	nice way to say
[17:21]	schestowitz	"we're shutting it down, SUCKERS!"
[17:22]	schestowitz-TR	"more stable, modern infrastructure"=we kill it off
[17:22]	schestowitz-TR	souble speak
[17:22]	schestowitz-TR	how to get promoted at gulag
[17:22]	matey	when i asked them to delete my github account i got a letter saying about how they care about open source and are going to stay "committed to developers"
[17:22]	schestowitz-TR	show your lying skills
[17:22]	schestowitz-TR	"you're hired madam"
[17:22]	matey	they only said "developers" once
[17:22]	schestowitz-TR	"you're promoted, sir"
[17:23]	matey	they didnt say "Developers, developers, developers, developers
[17:23]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I think I'll just bite the bullet and replace the alternator. I'm not entirely sure that's what it is.
[17:23]	schestowitz-TR	"content creators"
[17:23]	matey	but i heard it in steve ballmers voice anyway
[17:23]	schestowitz-TR	github has lots of user-generated "stuff"
[17:23]	DaemonFC	Tests good, but fails intermittently while driving seems to be likely here.
[17:23]	schestowitz-TR	like 'code'
[17:23]	schestowitz-TR	and "content|
[17:23]	schestowitz-TR	livestock
[17:23]	DaemonFC	Some of them do this for quite a while before they die.
[17:24]	DaemonFC	I may take a short nap before heading out there. :P
[17:24]	matey	/me still thinks rms and roy are making a lot of nothing about "content"
[17:26]	TR News	"In this video, I am going to show an overview of Nitrux 20220402 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=LVINy_2RENg
[17:26]	matey	the _________ of a letter <- as far as i know there is only one word that works here
[17:26]	TR Bot	to connect to 2603:c022:c001:2c00:e6fd:f72e:f063:4f2b: Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=LVINy_2RENg )
[17:26]	TR News	Raspberry Pi OS Is Now Powered by Linux 5.15 LTS, Gets Experimental Wayland Backend Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163461
[17:26]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pi OS Is Now Powered by Linux 5.15 LTS, Gets Experimental Wayland Backend | Tux Machines
[17:26]	matey	the table of ________
[17:26]	matey	if content is awful, index must be worse
[17:26]	matey	it reduces all contents to a mere number!
[17:26]	DaemonFC	Mechanical problems are always easier to diagnose than electrical problems.
[17:26]	matey	maybe youre thinking "body" of a letter but thats only (the largest) part of it
[17:26]	matey	its not the same
[17:26]	DaemonFC	Usually with a mechanical part, it's either broken or it isn't. You can move it around and see if it makes weird noises or has too much slack or bounces around more than it should.
[17:27]	matey	electrical problems would be easier to detect if using an x-ray was a standard method of diagnosis
[17:27]	matey	though x-ray equipment is just a little bit hazardous
[17:28]	DaemonFC	Electrical problems can be batteries, computer modules, sensors, the alternator, pulleys, the crankshaft..... The alternator alone is pretty hard to diagnose unless it's flaking out so badly that it isn't performing as it should exactly when you do the test.
[17:28]	matey	but say you had a broken wire or something-- it should show up on x-ray
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[17:28]	matey	and they have xray equipment that goes straight to a monitor screen now
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[17:28]	matey	but obviously its fucking expensive
[17:28]	DaemonFC	My cousins took their truck to some hillbilly that "fixed" wiring problem with stereo wiring. :)
[17:29]	matey	 <schestowitz-TR> like 'code' <- wait, is "code" now a bad word too?
[17:29]	TR News	Go away, criminals https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/xbox-games-studios-talk-up-more-of-their-games-on-steam-deck/
[17:29]	TR Bot	Games Studios talk up more of their games on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
[17:29]	matey	why is it in quotes
[17:30]	DaemonFC	Paid him like almost $2,000. Then the thing worked for a while and all the dashboard warning lights came on.
[17:30]	schestowitz-TR	matey: misunderstanding
[17:30]	DaemonFC	Had to go to the dealer at that point. *rolls eyes*
[17:30]	schestowitz-TR	scare quotes american v british
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[17:30]	matey	right, why any quotes
[17:30]	matey	its code, right
[17:31]	DaemonFC	The entire English language is BAD. DELETE DELETE DELEEEETE!!!!
[17:31]	matey	/me is going to create his own english, with blackjack and hookers
[17:31]	DaemonFC	Hey mjg59_, can you pass me the deny crayon?
[17:31]	DaemonFC	Deny is the color of my soul.
[17:31]	DaemonFC	Remember they called Johnny Cash the Man in Deny.
[17:32]	DaemonFC	Or that famous song by the Rolling Stones, Paint It Deny.
[17:32]	matey	the deny keys
[17:32]	matey	the allow stripes
[17:32]	DaemonFC	How do you take your coffee?
[17:33]	DaemonFC	Just deny, thank you!
[17:33]	DaemonFC	The most famous space phenomenon is, of course, the Deny Hole.
[17:33]	DaemonFC	The ironic name for something that even pulls in light itself.
[17:33]	matey	then her face at first just at first just ghostly, turned an allower shade of pale
[17:34]	matey	fucking xterm
[17:34]	DaemonFC	Many teenagers suffer from acne, and it can cause denyheads.
[17:34]	matey	im redoing, fuck it well do it live
[17:34]	matey	then her face at first just ghostly, turned an allower shade of pale
[17:35]	DaemonFC	Did you ever hear of the famous pirate Denybeard?
[17:35]	DaemonFC	What's my favorite pie? Denyberry of course.
[17:36]	matey	baa baa deny sheep have you any wool
[17:36]	DaemonFC	Grandmother always let them cool in the windows.
[17:36]	DaemonFC	Sometimes it would attract denybirds.
[17:36]	DaemonFC	My dad always said he watched fire ant colonies attack deny ants.
[17:37]	DaemonFC	The parking lot here sucks. It needs a fresh coat of denytop.
[17:37]	matey	denybird was a song on the beatles allow album
[17:38]	DaemonFC	The Russians are attacking by crossing the Deny Sea.
[17:39]	DaemonFC	One of the major tributaries of the Deny Sea is the Denyper River.
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[17:41]	matey	til: yoko ono (knew this) pattie harrison and maureen starkey were all guests on the allow album
[17:41]	matey	no mention of linda
[17:41]	matey	(i dont know if they were even together at the time, i only presume so)
[17:42]	TR News	Post re UK COVID-19 updated with this evening's figures: Were still at record highs for the season, despite testing rates falling. That cannot hide deaths and escalations. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/06/data-issue/
[17:42]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Over 20,000 COVID-19 Patients in British Hospitals, NHS Reports It Has DATA ISSUE and 2,714 Deaths [...] Added Retrospectively on 6 April 2022
[17:42]	matey	maybe she took pictures
[17:43]	schestowitz-TR	linda the sister?
[17:43]	schestowitz-TR	btw, they had a nice exhibit in liverpool museum when we last went
[17:43]	schestowitz-TR	by yoko
[17:43]	schestowitz-TR	she took up almost a whole floor
[17:44]	schestowitz-TR	with her weird art and memories of the husband
[17:44]	schestowitz-TR	but it was a very good exhibition nonetheless
[17:46]	matey	linda the sister? <- linda mccartney
[17:46]	schestowitz-TR	the vegetarian tycoon
[17:46]	schestowitz-TR	I knew about her also
[17:46]	matey	but as i said i dont know if they were even together when the allow album was made
[17:46]	matey	it could have been before that
[17:46]	schestowitz-TR	the sister made the beatles story museum iirc
[17:46]	schestowitz-TR	for lennon
[17:47]	matey	i didnt know john had a sister named linda
[17:47]	schestowitz-TR	not sure it's linda
[17:47]	matey	im pretty sure lennon was on the spectrum
[17:47]	matey	watching him in the studio, the way he looks at everything
[17:48]	matey	he got back into recording because of the b52s
[17:48]	matey	george is actually my favourite
[17:48]	matey	i like all of them
[17:49]	matey	i started listening to the beatles when i was 7 but i had already liked some of john lennons stuff when i was 4, i didnt know it was his
[17:49]	matey	many years later i was like "that was john lennon? fuck"
[17:50]	matey	watching the wheels in particular
[17:50]	matey	i was a phil collins fan when i was 6, i still am
[17:51]	matey	genesis too
[17:52]	matey	named by the infamous jonathan king
[17:53]	matey	and van morrison who i never knew was from belfast
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[17:54]	matey	and elo but i didnt even know jeff lynne was british
[17:55]	matey	i actually went to elo in utero
[17:55]	matey	so ive been a fan since birth
[17:55]	matey	or even before
[17:58]	TR News	The EPOs Staff Union Calls for Continued Industrial Actions as Some Media Belatedly Catches Up With EPO Strikes | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/media-catching-up-with-strikes/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/07/media-catching-up-with-strikes/
[17:58]	TR Bot	 The EPOs Staff Union Calls for Continued Industrial Actions as Some Media Belatedly Catches Up With EPO Strikes | Techrights
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[18:04]	TR News	[Meme] The Hard-Working Madame Simon | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/arrogance-of-madame-simon/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/07/arrogance-of-madame-simon/
[18:04]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The Hard-Working Madame Simon | Techrights
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[18:43]	XRevan86	https://t.me/novaya_europe/43
[18:43]	TR Bot	 Telegram: Contact @novaya_europe
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[18:53]	TR News	Are you more worried about money going to Putin than to KSA? Also, why is this in Planet Ubuntu today? http://blog.markvdb.be/2022/04/how-much-does-my-flight-sponsor-vladimir.html
[18:53]	TR Bot	 Mark Van den Borre: How much does my flight sponsor Vladimir?
[18:58]	TR News	User beware: OSI is promoting Microsoft proprietary software in exchange for bribes https://opensource.org/blog/modified-agplv3-removes-freedoms-adds-legal-headaches
[18:58]	TR Bot	 Modified AGPLv3 removes freedoms, adds legal headaches | Open Source Initiative | Guaranteeing the 'our' in source...
[18:58]	TR News	ARPCHAT: Communicate using ARP Protocol inside Isolated Network Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163462
[18:58]	TR Bot	 ARPCHAT: Communicate using ARP Protocol inside Isolated Network | Tux Machines
[18:59]	TR News	Ubuntu: Canonical, System 76, and Xubuntu Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163463
[18:59]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu: Canonical, System 76, and Xubuntu | Tux Machines
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[19:00]	TR News	OSI does not warn people about Microsoft
[19:02]	TR News	Documenting Drugs: The Artful Intoxications of Stanisaw Ignacy Witkiewicz The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/documenting-drugs/ Source: publicdomainreview
[19:02]	TR Bot	 Documenting Drugs: The Artful Intoxications of Stanisaw Ignacy Witkiewicz The Public Domain Review
[19:04]	node	boycot microsoft
[19:05]	TR News	The vanity of unqualified EPO management (hauled from a trademark institution for the 'skill' of knowing a mischievous colleague) is only going to motivate more EPO staff to participate in future strikes http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/arrogance-of-madame-simon/
[19:05]	TR News	Things are heating up at the EPO; management is unwilling to address key issues as the conflict grows and even some media is willing to mention (at long last) what truly goes on http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/media-catching-up-with-strikes/
[19:12]	TR News	Stacked by Microsoft, preaching/talking about fake security while failing to name the predominant culprit: Microsoft Windows https://www.fosslife.org/political-threat-ransomware-attacks see http://techrights.org/2021/05/02/ransomware-task-force/
[19:12]	TR Bot	 The Political Threat of Ransomware Attacks
[19:12]	TR Bot	 Microsoft-Centric Ransomware Task Force | Techrights
[19:12]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163464
[19:12]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[19:14]	schestowitz-TR	ni node
[19:14]	schestowitz-TR	*hi
[19:14]	MinceR	(cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-10.jpg
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[19:15]	TR News	JS is a security threat: "jQuery versions prior to 3.0.0 are vulnerable to cross-site scripting (XSS) attacks when a cross-domain Ajax request is performed without the dataType option, causing text/javascript responses to be executed." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-097-01
[19:15]	TR Bot	 Pepperl+Fuchs WirelessHART-Gateway | CISA
[19:16]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163465
[19:16]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
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[19:56]	TR News	Why is Kopper and Zink important? AKA the future of OpenGL Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163466
[19:56]	TR Bot	 Why is Kopper and Zink important? AKA the future of OpenGL | Tux Machines
● Apr 07
[20:00]	TR News	Fedora Plans to Drop Support for Legacy BIOS Systems Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163467 IBM helps the same sinister agenda as Microsoft and the NSA; it's not about security or modernity as lessens users' control
[20:00]	TR Bot	 Fedora Plans to Drop Support for Legacy BIOS Systems | Tux Machines
[20:09]	TR News	Links 07/04/2022: IBM Pushing Restrictive Boot | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/07/ibm-pushing-restrictive-boot/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/07/ibm-pushing-restrictive-boot/
[20:09]	TR Bot	 Links 07/04/2022: IBM Pushing Restrictive Boot | Techrights
[20:10]	TR News	There is always something new to learn and do in Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163468
[20:10]	TR Bot	 There is always something new to learn and do in Linux | Tux Machines
[20:10]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163469
[20:10]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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[20:10]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 65.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 62.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 275.50
[20:10]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163470
[20:10]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[20:22]	TR News	Hardkernels newest ODROID-M1 enters the SBC market https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market%EF%BF%BC/
[20:22]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market%EF%BF%BC/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market%EF%BF%BC/
[20:22]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market%EF%BF%BC/ )
[20:23]		*x_ is now known as kingoffrance
[20:23]	schestowitz	https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market/
[20:23]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market/
[20:23]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/hardkernels-newest-odroid-m1-enters-the-sbc-market/ )
[20:34]	TR News	Back doors-approved https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/05/red_hat_gets_rhel_82/
[20:34]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/05/red_hat_gets_rhel_82/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/05/red_hat_gets_rhel_82/
[20:34]	TR Bot	 RHEL 8.2 certified for Common Criteria security The Register
[20:34]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163471
[20:34]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[20:36]	TR News	They need to delete Microsoft GitHub and not outsource their work to criminals https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/07/smartknob-view-is-a-diy-haptic-input-knob-with-wifi-and-bluetooth-connectivity/
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[20:36]	TR Bot	 SmartKnob View is a DIY haptic input knob with WiFi and Bluetooth connectivity - CNX Software
[20:37]	TR News	Ubuntu plocate security review https://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2022-04-07-16-13_ubuntu_plocate_security_review.html
[20:37]	TR Bot	 Steinar H. Gunderson
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[20:38]	TR News	Clown computing and buzzwords = security disasters marketed as "Safety" and "Cheaper" https://www.toolbox.com/it-security/cloud-security/news/denonia-malware-cryptomining-cryptojacking/
[20:38]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: toolbox.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.toolbox.com/it-security/cloud-security/news/denonia-malware-cryptomining-cryptojacking/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.toolbox.com/it-security/cloud-security/news/denonia-malware-cryptomining-cryptojacking/
[20:38]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[20:39]	TR News	Clown computing is to a server/computer at home what public, filthy toilet booths are to a lavatory you have at home
[20:41]	TR News	Final changes before releasing EasyOS 3.4.5 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163326#comment-33300
[20:41]	TR Bot	 Latest in EasyOS | Tux Machines
[20:42]	TR News	"A rather slow week again after the 2000 games milestone on the Steam Deck. There are now 2100 games (1997 at the time of writing) working on the Steam Deck in two categories as usual..." https://boilingsteam.com/2100-games-on-the-steam-deck-metro-2033/
[20:42]	TR Bot	 2100 Games On The Steam Deck, with Metro 2033 Redux and Resonance of Fate as Verified - Boiling Steam
[20:50]	TR News	Librera App is the most used Book and EPUB Viewer for Android Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163472
[20:50]	TR Bot	 Librera App is the most used Book and EPUB Viewer for Android | Tux Machines
[20:50]	TR News	linuxium.com.au: If things don't change, things will stay as they are. https://linuxiumcomau.blogspot.com/2022/04/if-things-dont-change-things-will-stay.html Source: linuxiumcomau
[20:50]	TR Bot	 linuxium.com.au: If things don't change, things will stay as they are.
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[20:52]	TR News	ICBMd https://lwn.net/Articles/889610/
[20:52]	TR Bot	discusses its kernel-version needs [LWN.net]
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[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 51.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 304.08
[20:59]	TR News	VMware = proprietary software junk. "An attacker could exploit some of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/07/vmware-releases-security-updates
[20:59]	TR Bot	 VMware Releases Security Updates | CISA
[20:59]	TR News	LWNs Kernel Coverage Today Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163473
● Apr 07
[21:00]	TR Bot	 LWN's Kernel Coverage Today | Tux Machines
[21:00]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/weekend-random-randomness-4-3-22-20.jpg
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[21:02]	TR News	gzip-1.12 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163474
[21:02]	TR Bot	 gzip-1.12 released | Tux Machines
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[21:03]	TR News	Khronos Blog - The Khronos Group Inc https://www.khronos.org/blog/your-opencl-developer-experience-just-got-upgraded Source: khronos
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[21:03]	TR Bot	 Khronos Blog - The Khronos Group Inc
[21:06]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163475
[21:06]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[21:09]	TR News	Swap your snaps for flatpaks https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JyF17MtQTn0
[21:09]	TR Bot	 Future of GNOME, Ubuntu 22.04 Beta, swap your snaps for flatpaks - Linux and Open Source News - Invidious
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[21:12]	TR News	"Livestream for new Linux users to ask their questions regarding making the switch to Linux." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Z3XRVox93-Y
[21:12]	TR Bot	 Linux Switchers Live Stream (Spring 2022) - Invidious
[21:12]	TR News	Games: Steam Deck Milestone and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163476
[21:12]	TR Bot	 Games: Steam Deck Milestone and More | Tux Machines
[21:13]	TR News	"Docker surprises everyone, new Fedora tools in the works, and an old debate with a fresh take." https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-8209
[21:14]	TR News	Webspam/fake review/SPAM/death knell of the WWW https://www.maketecheasier.com/review/ilife-a11-lidar-robot-vacuum/ the Web became flooded with such garbage...
[21:14]	TR Bot	 ILIFE A11 LiDAR Robot Vacuum Review - Make Tech Easier
[21:17]	TR News	FreeBSD 13.1-RC2 is out now https://www.freebsd.org/
[21:17]	TR Bot	 The FreeBSD Project
[21:21]	TR News	Microsoft is also corrupt. But states are prosecuting and arresting Microsoft employees. https://itsubuntu.com/fix-pfn_list_corrupt-in-windows/
[21:21]	TR Bot	Pfn_list_corrupt In Windows 10 And Windows 11 (BSOD) | Itsubuntu.com
[21:23]	TR News	Even "Linux" is targeted by the webspam 'industry' https://nerdist.com/article/linux-certification-training-bundle-on-sale/
[21:23]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: nerdist.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nerdist.com/article/linux-certification-training-bundle-on-sale/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://nerdist.com/article/linux-certification-training-bundle-on-sale/
[21:23]	TR Bot	Linux, the OS That Might Make Your Job Easier, for $69 - Nerdist
[21:24]	TR News	[PATCH 00/11] Support Pensando Elba SoC - Brad Larson https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220406233648.21644-1-brad@pensando.io/ Source: pensando
[21:24]	TR Bot	 [PATCH 00/11] Support Pensando Elba SoC - Brad Larson
[21:29]	TR News	BadWolf SparkyLinux <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a href="https://sparkylinux.org/badwolf/"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a>
[21:29]	TR Bot	 BadWolf SparkyLinux
[21:29]	TR News	"BadWolf is a minimalist and privacy-oriented WebKitGTK+ browser." https://sparkylinux.org/badwolf/
[21:29]	immibis	schestowitz: it's not FUD to point out the loudest people are nazis. Probably if everyone self-hosts everything then the government will implement some kind of reporting requirement.
[21:30]	schestowitz-TR	nazis are often undercover/underground
[21:30]	schestowitz-TR	not "too" loud
[21:30]	immibis	psydroid2: charging for bandwidth is a way to try to allocate costs according to usage. Sure, one valid allocation is that everyone pays the same. A different, also completely valid allocation is that everyone pays according to how much they use, even if the thing they're using has a fixed cost.
[21:31]	immibis	schestowitz-TR: nah they're undercover about being nazis, but they're very loud about free speech etc.
[21:31]	immibis	like, anyone can use gab, but the only group that really promotes it is nazis
[21:31]	schestowitz-TR	many people are vocal about free speech, for the same reason many want women's equality
[21:31]	immibis	even though it's freer for everyone
[21:32]	schestowitz-TR	maybe in germany it's different
[21:32]	schestowitz-TR	gab is not free speeh
[21:32]	schestowitz-TR	gab is nazi site
[21:32]	immibis	does gab ban you for not being a nazi?
[21:32]	schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2018/11/06/gab-is-pro-nazis/
[21:32]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Gab is Not a Site That Tolerates Nazis. It is a Nazi Site That Bans People Who Object to Nazism. Its a Censorship Site With a Dangerous Agenda.
[21:33]	schestowitz-TR	don't help the FUD
[21:33]	schestowitz-TR	that's like the UK gov's FUD that equates privacy with pedophilia
[21:33]	immibis	well you can substitute any other free speech service that doesn't ban people for not being nazis. The same thing applies to Parler, which I also don't know anything about because I don't frequent Nazi websites
[21:34]	bnchs	isn't "nazi" just another shit like SJW
[21:34]	TR News	Project Zero: CVE-2021-30737, @xerub's 2021 iOS ASN.1 Vulnerability https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2022/04/cve-2021-30737-xerubs-2021-ios-asn1.html Source: google | gulag | projectzero
[21:34]	TR Bot	 Project Zero: CVE-2021-30737, @xerub's 2021 iOS ASN.1 Vulnerability
[21:34]	bnchs	to try to make services look bad
[21:34]	TR News	Advice for data centers looking to change operating systems Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163477
[21:34]	TR Bot	 Advice for data centers looking to change operating systems | Tux Machines
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[21:35]	immibis	bnchs: when you think of a nazi do you think of a personified ball of pure evil?
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR	nazis are a problem
[21:35]	immibis	because they are not like that. they are mostly idiots who believe in racist stuff and other idiotic stuff
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR	but don't paint everything nazi
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR	like hosting at home? NAZI!
[21:36]	bnchs	^
[21:36]	bnchs	you can associate anything with nazis
[21:36]	bnchs	then make them look bad
[21:36]	immibis	it may not be inherently nazi, but in the event that nazis end up doing it and nobody else....
[21:36]	schestowitz-TR	some night clubs in berlin have nazis
[21:36]	schestowitz-TR	I should stop going to night clubs. Nazi.
[21:36]	immibis	i cannot believe any nightclub bouncer in berlin would let in any nazi, fwiw. They tend to be very left-wing spaces.
[21:36]	schestowitz-TR	immibis: not true
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	you think of your homeland 
[21:37]	immibis	anyone who's obviously nazi*
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	in iran people self-host for other reasons
[21:37]	immibis	obviously or subtly*
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	or host abroad
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	human rights groups
[21:37]	bnchs	immibis: i really don't give 2 shits who you are
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	in china you might be from tibet
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	not a nazi
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	twaiwan
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	not a nazi
[21:37]	bnchs	as long as you don't put it in everyone's faces
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	muslim in an island in .ph
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	also not a nazi
[21:37]	immibis	schestowitz-TR: well the government in my homeland is only going to be caring about who self-hosts in my homeland, and that's going to be a small set of tech enthusiasts (already) and (hypothetically if this takes off) nazis. And the second group is larger.
[21:38]	schestowitz-TR	can't comment in .de
[21:38]	schestowitz-TR	btw
[21:38]	bnchs	oh my god
[21:38]	immibis	bnchs: I care if people are nazis. Do you know what happened the last time nazism was allowed to proliferate?
[21:38]	bnchs	selfhosting?
[21:38]	immibis	my homeland is not .de
[21:38]	bnchs	are you a NAZI???
[21:38]	schestowitz-TR	in .de lots of nazi things are illega;l
[21:38]	schestowitz-TR	the nazism is illegal
[21:38]	schestowitz-TR	memorabilia, denial, etc.
[21:38]	immibis	bnchs: Let's suppose a future where 1% of self-hosters are tech enthusiasts, and 99% are nazis evading censorship.
[21:38]	immibis	What are the bayesian probabilities on that?
[21:38]	schestowitz-TR	prosecute people for THAT, not the hosting
[21:38]	bnchs	immibis, it's something that i don't give 2 shits
[21:39]	schestowitz-TR	nazis are very few
[21:39]	bnchs	it's up to whoever who cares about them
[21:39]	immibis	it's never going to be illegal to self-host, in free countries - that's totally ridiculous. It may, however, become regulated if too many nazis start doing it
[21:39]	schestowitz-TR	on an international scale you have more han supremacists than nazis
[21:39]	bnchs	freedoms has side-effects
[21:39]	schestowitz-TR	china has a way of handling them, too
[21:39]	immibis	all racial supremacists are effectively nazis
[21:39]	bnchs	"It may, however, become regulated if too many nazis start doing it"
[21:39]	immibis	bnchs: we call it "this is why we can't have nice things"
[21:39]	bnchs	you mean if they got a reason
[21:39]	schestowitz-TR	in the suse forums in USENET there used to be a nazi hosting from home
[21:40]	schestowitz-TR	that's the only nazi user of linux that I saw online
[21:40]	bnchs	i don't care if you're a "nazi"
[21:40]	immibis	nazis as a group generally do not care about self-hosting, or linux
[21:40]	bnchs	as long as you don't put it in everyone's faces
[21:40]	immibis	However, it is possible that one of them is a tech expert and realizes "Hey I can evade censorship if I do this, this and this" and publishes a guide for the rest, which is sufficiently easy to follow.
[21:40]	bnchs	but if they start regulating self-hosting because "nazis"
[21:40]	immibis	This is the hypothetical future we're talking about, right?
[21:40]	bnchs	then the people regulating it has obviously been looking for reasons to stop self-hosting
[21:41]	immibis	bnchs: do you know what happened last time nazism proliferated?
[21:41]	bnchs	immibis, yeah tell me again
[21:41]	immibis	bnchs: i am talking about a scenario where it's legitimately 90%+ nazis
[21:41]	immibis	bnchs: they did a world war and a genocide
[21:41]	bnchs	you're talking about the nazis who killed people
[21:41]	immibis	tell me, what did they do before they killed people?
[21:41]	immibis	we should probably be able to recognize that happening again before it gets to the stage of killing people
[21:42]	bnchs	ok so tell me what should we do
[21:42]	immibis	don't give power to nazis
[21:42]	bnchs	use non-free licenses?
[21:42]	immibis	bnchs: arrest nazis
[21:42]	immibis	this has nothing to do with software
[21:42]	bnchs	immibis, that is out of scope of self-hosting
[21:42]	immibis	it's only a software-related tangent because of self-hosting
[21:42]	bnchs	and retarded to drag self-hosting along with it
[21:43]	immibis	bnchs: what do you imagine when I say "regulated"? Because I am just thinking, that the government might want to know what you're hosting, to make sure it's not nazi shit
[21:43]	immibis	and like, that's the maximum extent I imagine.
[21:43]	immibis	in free countries
[21:43]	bnchs	i'm convinced that you're a troll, but continue
[21:44]	bnchs	freedoms has it's side effects
[21:44]	bnchs	and nazis are no exception
[21:44]	immibis	bnchs: i'm saying the government might have rules about placards you can display because nazis, and you're saying it's retarded to drag placards into it just because nazis have placards
[21:44]	immibis	like, there is nothing wrong with making it illegal to protest with a "gas the jews!" sign
[21:45]	bnchs	immibis, and do you like this?
[21:45]	immibis	have you heard of the paradox of tolerance?
[21:45]	immibis	bnchs: do I like what?
[21:45]	bnchs	you like the government regulating what you can host on your servers?
[21:46]	bnchs	this is another paradox like using pedos, terrorists as a reason
[21:46]	immibis	bnchs: not 
[21:46]	bnchs	except that this is nazis now
[21:46]	immibis	bnchs: no, but it's better than allowing nazism to proliferate
[21:46]	immibis	bnchs: you just haven't encountered the nazi problem yet. When you realize the scope of it, you will agree that it's necessary to prevent it.
[21:47]	bnchs	they'll just bypass it
[21:47]	bnchs	by hosting out of the country with the regulations
[21:47]	immibis	so, not self-hosting?
[21:47]	bnchs	and it only hurt the people who care about self-hosting
[21:48]	immibis	bnchs: do you like that it's illegal to drive without a licence?
[21:48]		*psydroid2 miporse age tu iran ham mardome nazi vojud daran
[21:48]	bnchs	you're comparing cars to servers now?
[21:48]	bnchs	a car can crash and kill people
[21:48]	immibis	bnchs: nazis also kill people. or they did last time.
[21:48]	psydroid2	I'm not really aware of the extent of nazism over here
[21:48]	bnchs	some millions of bytes can't kill people
[21:49]	psydroid2	nor in germany
[21:49]	SomeH4x0r	can WarGames (1986) happen irl?
[21:49]	immibis	bnchs: is it okay to convince people that studies show humans are better drivers when drunk?
[21:49]	SomeH4x0r	nuclear missile system glitch
[21:49]	immibis	psydroid2: well where is here?
[21:49]	psydroid2	although I've heard of some things related to AfD
[21:49]	bnchs	immibis, holy shit STRAWMAN
[21:49]	psydroid2	immibis, dein Nachbarland im Westen
[21:49]	bnchs	i'm getting real sick of this shit
[21:49]	psydroid2	Nordwesten*
[21:50]	bnchs	trolls in my chat
[21:50]	psydroid2	immibis, the Netherlands
[21:51]	immibis	bnchs: you are clearly making connections that do not exist. This is a nested, recursive question. Would that thing be okay or not?
[21:51]	bnchs	no it's not okay to convince people that humans are better driving when drunk
[21:52]	immibis	bnchs: should people suffer legal consequences for doing so?
[21:52]	bnchs	but you have to admit, that nazis will always find a way to do shit
[21:52]	immibis	psydroid2: does the netherlands have any major political parties that want to close the borders, make immigrants fuck off, demolish welfare programs and privatize government enterprises?
[21:52]	bnchs	immibis, driving and drinking is common sense
[21:52]	bnchs	now lets go back to the topic at hand
[21:53]	bnchs	and not attack the strawman
[21:53]	psydroid2	immibis, PVV and FvD tick off some of those boxes
[21:53]	psydroid2	let me see how many seats they have in parliament
[21:53]	immibis	psydroid2: i'm going to assume they are far-right parties i.e. proto-nazis
[21:53]	immibis	bnchs: should people suffer legal consequences for doing that convincing?
[21:54]	bnchs	you don't have to treat people like they're children
[21:54]	bnchs	they will either brush it off as dumb bullshit
[21:54]	bnchs	or argue endlessly
[21:55]	immibis	bnchs: should people suffer legal consequences for doing that convincing?
[21:55]	psydroid2	immibis, 17 and 5 respectively out of 150 seats
[21:55]	psydroid2	yes, that assumption is correct
[21:55]	immibis	bit lower percentage than germany
[21:55]	kingoffrance	the answer to should they suffer legal consequences, is did the prosecutor/state follow "the law" i.e. get a warrant
[21:55]	bnchs	immibis, thats a loaded question
[21:55]	kingoffrance	self-hosting is really irrelevant here
[21:55]	immibis	bnchs: no, it's not loaded
[21:55]	bnchs	if i answer yes, you'll drag it to the nazis bullshit
[21:56]	bnchs	if i answer no, you'll say that i like endangering people
[21:56]	immibis	that's not a loaded question, that's just a step in the way to proving you wrong
[21:56]	bnchs	<kingoffrance> self-hosting is really irrelevant here
[21:56]	bnchs	self-hosting is irrelevant
[21:56]	bnchs	in this topic, because nazis will always find a way
[21:56]	bnchs	you can outlaw paper because they can just print nazi propoganda on it
[21:56]	immibis	Alice: "The water is green because it reflects the sky." Bob: "Is the sky green?" Alice: "That's a loaded question. If I say yes you'll say that I'm a moron. If I say no you'll lead it to the water not being green because it reflects the sky."
[21:57]	immibis	bnchs: they won't outlaw paper and they won't outlaw self-hosting. They may outlaw distributing certain messages with paper.
[21:57]	bnchs	immibis, how do they plan doing that
[21:57]	immibis	literally nobody wants to outlaw self-hosting except the tech megacorps probably
[21:57]	bnchs	now tell me
[21:57]	bnchs	they'll either put tracking bullshit in printer
[21:57]	immibis	bnchs: Well if you get caught distributing paper saying "HERE'S WHY WE SHOULD GAS THE JEWS" you get arrested
[21:58]	bnchs	immibis, so basically let's apply this to self-hosting
[21:58]	immibis	they don't need tracking bullshit in printers. They just look at who is handing out the papers.
[21:58]	kingoffrance	well, i think there is little "self hosting" in practice, because most ppl are going to go thru an isp, not some community wifi
[21:58]	bnchs	if you get caught distributing nazi crap
[21:58]	bnchs	you get arrested
[21:58]	immibis	yes
[21:58]	bnchs	you don't need to drag the entire self-hosting crap to this
[21:58]	immibis	if you get caught distributing nazi crap on self-hosting you get arrested
[21:58]	immibis	why are you arguing about this
[21:58]	MinceR	they should arrest the hungarian government
[21:58]	bnchs	because you're making it as if self-hosting is bad
[21:59]	bnchs	because nazis are associated with it
[21:59]	MinceR	also the terrorussian government
[21:59]	immibis	bnchs: I have never said self-hosting is bad. I have only said that if a majority of self-hosts are Nazis then the government will try to regulate it so less Nazis can do it
[21:59]	MinceR	depends on the government
[21:59]	immibis	MinceR: republicans too while we're at it
[21:59]	immibis	MinceR: talking about free countries only
[21:59]	MinceR	some of them like to have as much nazi stuff online as possible
[21:59]	bnchs	immibis, depends on the goverment doing this
[21:59]	MinceR	which are the free countries?
[21:59]	kingoffrance	the imaginary ones
[21:59]	MinceR	(asking because i'm planning to move)
[21:59]	MinceR	ah.
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[22:00]	bnchs	the "free" countries
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[22:00]	kingoffrance	http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=devil&Query=future  there's a better one, maybe it is only unabridged
[22:00]	TR Bot	future
[22:01]	immibis	MinceR: the ones where you don't get arrested for saying the government is bad
[22:02]	kingoffrance	there we go  http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=devil&Query=youth  when figs are grown on thistles, and pigs betailed with      whistles and, wearing silken bristles, live ever in clover, and      clows fly over, delivering milk at every door, and Justice never      is heard to snore
[22:02]	TR Bot	youth
[22:02]	immibis	in russia you will get arrested just for holding a sign, because nobody holds pro-government signs, they don't need to read the sign to know you're anti-government
[22:02]	kingoffrance	*cows
[22:02]	bnchs	immibis, when i was in 4chan, there was tons of nazis
[22:02]	bnchs	but what did i do?
[22:02]	bnchs	laugh it off
[22:02]	bnchs	you can't stop people from thinking like nazis
[22:03]	immibis	bnchs: We know what happens when we do not stop people from thinking like Nazis, because it happened once.
[22:03]	immibis	Not stopping people from thinking like Nazis is not an option.
[22:03]	bnchs	immibis, so basically outlaw wrongthink
[22:03]	bnchs	including intrusive thoughts
[22:03]	immibis	bnchs: there is a big divide between "outlaw wrongthink" and "outlaw nazism" and it's honestly worrying that you think they're the same
[22:04]	bnchs	there's a difference between thinking and doing it in action
[22:04]	bnchs	and you should be glad it's only the former
[22:04]	immibis	what happened before the nazis seized power and killed everyone?
[22:05]	bnchs	you won't stop them from thinking like nazis
[22:05]	kingoffrance	the bankers wrecked the economy?
[22:05]	kingoffrance	so we should round them up i guess
[22:05]	kingoffrance	to prevent nazis
[22:05]	bnchs	unless you're willing to insert Anti-Wrongthink microchip
[22:05]	bnchs	in their brains
[22:05]	immibis	bnchs: you are a troll
[22:06]	schestowitz-TR	no
[22:06]	bnchs	yeah sure
[22:06]	schestowitz-TR	there is concern trolling here
[22:06]	schestowitz-TR	or a variant of us
[22:06]	schestowitz-TR	*it
[22:06]	schestowitz-TR	mixing self hosting with hate speech
[22:06]	schestowitz-TR	self hosting isn't about hiding
[22:06]	schestowitz-TR	it's about becoming more robust to de-platforming
[22:06]	schestowitz-TR	if you post illegal things, the authorities can enter the home
[22:07]	schestowitz-TR	not the same as Jock Dorkey and pedo guy musk deciding to take away your account because it's bad for business
[22:07]	bnchs	yes
[22:07]	bnchs	it's your country's laws that matter
[22:07]	schestowitz-TR	germany has the most anti-nazi laws in the world
[22:08]	schestowitz-TR	people can do holocaust denial almost everywhere
[22:08]	bnchs	schestowitz-TR, i mean they stopped wolfinstein 3D from being published
[22:08]	schestowitz-TR	but in germany and maybe austria they will get arrested
[22:08]	bnchs	and even got crazy about sniper elite
[22:08]	bnchs	a game where you kill nazis
[22:09]	schestowitz-TR	all this "nazi thing" is cheapening the debate
[22:09]	bnchs	my point is
[22:09]	schestowitz-TR	because it divides the debate's sides into pro- and anti-nazi
[22:09]	bnchs	you can't stop people from thinking like nazis
[22:09]	schestowitz-TR	even when the subject isn't nazism at all
[22:09]	bnchs	you can't stop people from thinking bad
[22:09]	schestowitz-TR	it's like reading books
[22:09]	schestowitz-TR	you can buy and share physical books
[22:09]	schestowitz-TR	that's like self-hosting
[22:09]	schestowitz-TR	and peer to pee
[22:10]	schestowitz-TR	you could even -- gasp -- pass one of millions of copies of mein kampf
[22:10]	bnchs	to be honest, as soon as nazis, pedos, terrorists get involved
[22:10]	bnchs	the discussion turns into concern trolling
[22:10]	bnchs	and thats the problem
[22:10]	kingoffrance	well, it turns into im a gonna need a backdoor into your "encryption"
[22:10]	schestowitz-TR	it is called "moral hysteria" 
[22:11]	schestowitz-TR	kingoffrance: don't forget microphones in the sauna!!
[22:11]	kingoffrance	im a gonna need a camera in your house, warrants are too hard
[22:11]	bnchs	concern trolling is one step in the wrong direction in freedoms
[22:11]	schestowitz-TR	and cams too, in germany, where many do it naked
[22:13]	schestowitz-TR	immibis is not a troll btw
[22:13]	bnchs	well ok
[22:13]	schestowitz-TR	he's concerned (I assume male) about a real issue
[22:13]	schestowitz-TR	but he is misplacing the blame
[22:13]	schestowitz-TR	nazis are dumb
[22:13]	schestowitz-TR	there is a reason for this
[22:14]	immibis	talking about self-hosting isn't pro- or anti-nazi
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR	they have nothing personal to be proud of
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR	except race
[22:14]	immibis	but saying we shouldn't stop nazis is... disturbing
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR	or supposed "history" and "pride"
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR	so it's easy to catch them
[22:14]	bnchs	but the thing is
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR	they're dumb like islamic terrorists sometimes
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR	mayeb dumber
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[22:14]	bnchs	we can't stop them from thinking like that
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR	many islamic terrorists are well-educated engineers
[22:14]	bnchs	and we can't sacrifife freedoms because of them
[22:14]	bnchs	god damn it i can't english today
[22:15]	kingoffrance	do not sacrifife kovfefe
[22:15]	immibis	many far-right people are just underdeveloped left-wing people and can become left if they are led through the maze of information in a way that leads them there
[22:15]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs: no worries, it's only irc
[22:16]	immibis	bnchs: freedom isn't free
[22:16]	schestowitz-TR	immibis: so takckle gulagtube then
[22:16]	schestowitz-TR	over  a decade ago it had tons of nazis on it
[22:16]	schestowitz-TR	AND recommended
[22:16]	bnchs	it just reminds me of something
[22:16]	schestowitz-TR	like doomscrolling but with videos
[22:16]	bnchs	i remember some year on april first
[22:16]	immibis	and let me remind you bnchs that NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT SELF-HOSTING BEING ILLEGAL EVEN IN THE EXTREME SCENARIO WHERE IT'S 100% NAZIS
[22:16]	MinceR	yay, different flavor of authoritarianism :>
[22:16]	schestowitz-TR	microsoft bing recommends pedophilia to people
[22:17]	bnchs	cock.li had a april fools day, where they replaced the main page with a bunch of pictures of hitler and swasitkas
[22:17]	schestowitz-TR	immibis: I can assure you few self-hosters are nazis
[22:17]	schestowitz-TR	very few
[22:17]	bnchs	and a bunch of "gas the jews" here and there
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[22:17]	bnchs	the creator actually got sued for that
[22:17]	bnchs	and maybe arrested
[22:17]	schestowitz-TR	don't throw out the baby with the bathwater
[22:17]	schestowitz-TR	it's easy to do it
[22:17]	bnchs	even though it was a joke
[22:17]	schestowitz-TR	hard to undo
[22:18]	bnchs	and thats what i'm thinking
[22:18]	immibis	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development#Stages right-wing useful idiots appear to be stuck in stage 3
[22:18]	TR Bot	 Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development - Wikipedia
[22:18]	bnchs	and another example
[22:18]	bnchs	what if a TTS spouting out nazi stuff
[22:18]	bnchs	do you arrest the streamer?
[22:18]	immibis	schestowitz-TR: there is a *possibility* that some nazis start doing it because it's more censorship resistant and the movement spreads. Of course, they are also stupid, so it's possible they can't figure out how to do it.
[22:18]	XRevan86	immibis: Saw evidence of that, that's pretty entertaining.
[22:19]	schestowitz-TR	immibis: they did this on the web in the 90s too
[22:19]	XRevan86	"right-wing useful idiots appear to be stuck in stage 3" <- Of that.
[22:19]	schestowitz-TR	I still remember very well
[22:19]	bnchs	because with laws like this, you only target people who only done it as a joke
[22:19]	schestowitz-TR	it's not a new issue
[22:19]	schestowitz-TR	and they did not self-host
[22:20]	immibis	bnchs: you arrest whoever is a Nazi or supports them. A streamer who gets a Nazi TTS message, are they supporting Nazism? No, the person who sent the message is. Unless the streamer approved it. Or deliberately didn't ban the user after the first 50 times. You know that laws aren't computer programs, right?
[22:20]	bnchs	immibis: ok haven't you read my first example
[22:20]	bnchs	<bnchs> cock.li had a april fools day, where they replaced the main page with a bunch of pictures of hitler and swasitkas
[22:20]	bnchs	bnchs> the creator actually got sued for that
[22:20]	bnchs	<bnchs> and maybe arrested
[22:20]	kingoffrance	"freedom isn't free"  common misconception    in america, inalienable rights are free.      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_control_of_the_military   technically, freedom is free.    even quotes:  One example is People's Republic of China. Mao Zedong stated that "Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party," reflecting the primacy of the Communist Party of China (and communist pa
[22:20]	kingoffrance	rties in general) as decision-makers in MarxistLeninist and Maoist theories of democratic centralism         "freedom" (natural rights) are free.  it is civil rights that require a state/gov/military/etc.
[22:20]	TR Bot	 Civilian control of the military - Wikipedia
[22:21]	kingoffrance	that is just to say, "freedom" is misused without explaining "natural inalienable" or "civil" rights
[22:21]	kingoffrance	or, it is more confusion of tongues over definition of "state"
[22:22]	immibis	bnchs: So the creator was the one promoting nazism
[22:22]	kingoffrance	is it "the people" ?  free.   is it some external apparatus?  not free
[22:22]	bnchs	first of all
[22:22]	bnchs	it was a joke
[22:22]	bnchs	and the creator was a bit of a 4chan lurker i would say
[22:23]	kingoffrance	that was also that prior thing about "rights" not being "taxable" or whatever
[22:23]	immibis	It's not a joke if you literally just do the thing.
[22:23]	kingoffrance	so its been ruled on as well
[22:23]	immibis	There has to be some element of humour for it to be a joke.
[22:23]	kingoffrance	freedom is free 
[22:23]	immibis	Otherwise you're just doing a thing and then saying it was a joke so you get out of trouble for doing it.
[22:23]	bnchs	he's not promoting nazism
[22:24]	immibis	Say I drive without a licence and get pulled over and I say it's funny that I don't have a licence, can you let me go please officer?
[22:24]	immibis	that doesn't work
[22:24]	bnchs	he did it as a april fools joke
[22:24]	immibis	that's not how excuses or jokes work
[22:24]	bnchs	do you think a serious nazism website would layer thousands of seizure rainbows and swastikas?
[22:24]	bnchs	and big texts
[22:25]	bnchs	so you're saying you can't make fun of nazism aswsell
[22:26]	bnchs	https://cock.li/transparency/april-fools-2016.txt
[22:26]	bnchs	"For about 3 weeks, I displayed a JOKE on the front page of cock.li that
[22:26]	bnchs	shook the text on the page and displaying a rotating webm that said
[22:26]	bnchs	"HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG". I did this while the server was hosted in
[22:26]	bnchs	Germany, so I think this is what this is about. I've never been
[22:26]	bnchs	unironically racist in the entire history of the site, so this is the only thing I can come up with.
[22:27]	immibis	for 3 weeks?
[22:27]	immibis	how is it april fool's if it's 3 weeks?
[22:28]	immibis	riddle me this: how is it possible to distinguish between being ironically nazi and actually nazi? What are the outward-facing indicators?
[22:28]	bnchs	did i say he did it all in one day?
[22:28]	bnchs	immibis: it's obvious it's a JOKE
[22:28]	bnchs	he shook the text
[22:28]	bnchs	rotating webm of hitler
[22:28]	immibis	what are the outward-facing indicators that it's a joke? Is all shaking text a joke?
[22:28]	bnchs	it's obviously not meant as nazism
[22:28]	kingoffrance	cock.li  seems a big indicator to me lol
[22:29]	immibis	if stormfront makes the text shake, will it be a joke?
[22:29]	bnchs	first of all, tell me this
[22:29]	bnchs	this is related to cock.li only
[22:29]	bnchs	not stormfront
[22:29]	bnchs	this prank is as much as a 13 year old's childish joke
[22:29]	MinceR	07 232645 < bnchs> "HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG". I did this while the server was hosted in
[22:30]	bnchs	on 4chan
[22:30]	MinceR	how did he lose the war, then?
[22:30]	immibis	yes there are lots of unironic nazis on 4chan
[22:30]	immibis	so tell me what makes the difference between ironic and unironic
[22:30]	bnchs	if you start sharing actual nazi propoganda
[22:31]	MinceR	time makes the difference, perhaps
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[22:31]	MinceR	as in, allegedly 4chan used to be smart people pretending to be idiots
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[22:31]	MinceR	and i'm pretty sure it's the other way around by now
[22:31]	MinceR	"ironically" spouting nazi bullshit on a platform attracts nazis
[22:32]	bnchs	there's a difference between being a nazi
[22:32]	bnchs	and mocking nazis
[22:32]	bnchs	like making a game where you shoot nazis
[22:32]	bnchs	or taking the piss out of them
[22:32]	MinceR	the german government couldn't tell the difference
[22:32]	MinceR	they banned wolfenstein 3d because "oh no, nazi symbolism!"
[22:33]	bnchs	remember the website was hosted in Germany at the time
[22:33]	bnchs	so obviously a country that is serious about nazi (even if it's a joke) is a bad place to do this
[22:33]	immibis	bnchs: did you literally just say that nazism is ironic when it happens in germany?
[22:33]	MinceR	lol
[22:34]	immibis	because bruh
[22:34]	bnchs	what?
[22:34]	bnchs	no
[22:34]	bnchs	i'm saying that germany is a bad place to do jokes like this
[22:34]	MinceR	"german humor is no laughing matter!"
[22:34]	immibis	you're saying it's obviously ironic because it happened in a place where it would be bad to do it ironically?
[22:34]	bnchs	no
[22:35]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/weekend-random-randomness-4-3-22-33.jpg
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[22:35]	bnchs	i don't owe you countless arguments
[22:35]	bnchs	go take this up with daemonfc
[22:36]	immibis	you owe a good explanation of why you think nazis should just be allowed to be nazis
[22:36]	bnchs	how do i owe you
[22:36]	bnchs	especially in a channel that has been derailed so far
[22:37]	bnchs	what i'm saying is how a creator's ironic joke about nazis got him arrested
[22:37]	bnchs	also i don't owe you shit
[22:38]	bnchs	i don't like nazis but i don't give a shit about them, as long as they're not in my face
[22:39]	MinceR	don't worry, they'll get in your face eventually
[22:39]	bnchs	and unlike whatever people on facebook, i can handle them and take a joke once in a while
[22:39]	MinceR	you can't handle them if they're the government, unless you have an army
[22:40]	bnchs	they'll never will be
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[22:40]	MinceR	they already are in some places
[22:40]	bnchs	do they kill people?
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[22:40]	bnchs	do they discriminate against other people?
[22:41]	MinceR	they do kill people
[22:41]	MinceR	they do discriminate against other people
[22:41]	bnchs	well i don't accept that
[22:41]	MinceR	good
[22:41]	MinceR	terrorussia is already doing all that
[22:41]	bnchs	tbh i wasted all my brainpower on this
[22:42]	bnchs	im gonna go
[22:42]	bnchs	and forget this happened
[22:44]	immibis	bnchs: people not giving a shit about nazis, is how the nazis happened
[22:45]	immibis	all it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing
[22:45]	bnchs	ok, is the golden rule of internet forgotten by now?
[22:45]	immibis	as MinceR said would you rather make them fuck off now when it's just yelling, or wait for them to point a gun in your face, and then tell them to fuck off?
[22:45]	bnchs	that you shouldn't trust anything in the internet?
[22:45]	MinceR	did i say that?
[22:45]	immibis	"<MinceR> don't worry, they'll get in your face eventually"
[22:46]	MinceR	yeah, i don't know when is the right time to start killing them
[22:46]	immibis	only kill people if they are trying to kill you
[22:46]	bnchs	look, the point is
[22:46]	immibis	otherwise don't.
[22:46]	bnchs	i don't like actual nazis
[22:47]	immibis	but that doesn't mean they have to be tolerated, just because they aren't trying to kill you yet
[22:47]	immibis	there are steps between toleration and killing
[22:47]	bnchs	but i can take tons of dark humor jokes
[22:47]	immibis	bnchs: what is your evidence that the cockli guy isn't a nazi?
[22:47]	immibis	i mean, he put "hitler did nothing wrong" in big shaking text on his homepage
[22:48]	MinceR	i also don't know the right point and way to start silencing them
[22:48]	bnchs	just because someone types "hitler did nothing wrong" doesn't mean they're an actual nazi
[22:48]	bnchs	tons of old 4chan jokes were about that
[22:48]	bnchs	i said OLD
[22:48]	MinceR	i don't think i've seen that phrase from people who didn't mean it
[22:48]	immibis	bnchs: tons of people who engaged in those jokes grew up to be nazis
[22:48]	immibis	that's plausibly where the far right movement came from. edgy "humour"
[22:48]	immibis	you can only type that so many times before you start believing it
[22:48]	bnchs	look in his website now
[22:48]	MinceR	also, just plain edginess
[22:49]	bnchs	is it guilty until proven innocent?
[22:49]	immibis	see, I typed "abolish capitalism" a bunch of times and now I'm a communist
[22:49]	MinceR	some kids decided that authoritarianism is the edgiest thing ever, and so must be followed
[22:49]	bnchs	if you can't take edgy jokes
[22:50]	bnchs	then i can see why
[22:50]	immibis	bnchs: i don't care about edgy jokes. I care about the fact they lead to actual edginess and then actual authoritarian fascism
[22:50]	immibis	and that leads to genocide and world war
[22:50]	bnchs	you can start lurking his twitter
[22:50]	bnchs	see if there's actual nazism
[22:50]	bnchs	also lets see KYM
[22:51]	bnchs	""Hitler Did Nothing Wrong" is a statement [[[used for trolling purposes]]] to deny that the acts Adolf Hitler was responsible for during his reign were morally wrong."
[22:51]	bnchs	the statement is mostly used for trolling
[22:51]	MinceR	it's pretty easy to see it isn't a joke when the same people have repeated it 9001 times for 10 years and for some reason it's still supposed to be funny
[22:51]	immibis	did you not see that most of these edgy people GREW UP TO BE ACTUAL NAZIS?
[22:51]	bnchs	immibis, tell me one
[22:52]	MinceR	perhaps for some people repeating the same thing ad nauseam substitutes for being actually funny?
[22:52]	bnchs	it's used for the purposes to try to be the most offensive
[22:55]	MinceR	turns out practicing nazism is more offensive than spouting nazism
[22:55]	MinceR	"it's just a prank, bro!"
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[22:57]	SomeH4x0r	wb, though I leave in a few minutes
[22:58]	matey	hi
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 95.08 average k/sec., average swarm size 316.23
[22:59]	MinceR	i guess humanity failing to cross The Great Filter is even funnier :>
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[23:00]		*bnchs (~bnchs@64dje5sxnn29w.irc) has joined #techrights
[23:00]	SomeH4x0r	failing? or not caring?
[23:00]	MinceR	failing
[23:00]	MinceR	going extinct
[23:00]	bnchs	immibis: i just wish i could accept everyone
[23:01]	TR News	"In my previous blog, I discussed the random placement of the animal cards and avoiding the overlap between two animal cards. As we are moving towards the end of the SoK period. I want to thank my mentors for resolving all my doubts(mostly silly) and helping me improve." https://samarthrajwrites.wordpress.com/2022/04/08/sok22-week-11-finalizing-the-left-right-click-activity/
[23:01]	TR Bot	 Sok22 Week 11: Finalizing the Left-Right Click Activity Samarth raj
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[23:02]	bnchs	well i just wish i could accept everyone, even nazis
[23:02]	bnchs	thats why i'm arguing about this
[23:02]	matey	you can accept nazis in a way
[23:02]	TR News	Latest Linux Magazine Issue Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163481
[23:02]	TR Bot	 Latest Linux Magazine Issue | Tux Machines
[23:02]	matey	as idiots who should probably kill themselves
[23:02]	matey	i knew a former white supremacist
[23:02]	bnchs	well ok
[23:03]	matey	he thought it was pretty stupid actually. but i dont know if he was ever a "nazi"
[23:03]	TR News	"I used Pipewire for a while a year or so back and it was a little flaky, I've now returned and it's incredible how far Linux audio has come, I have no reason to keep PulseAudio in my life the only problems it has are problems I also had on PulseAudio" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=A6tomqOZvM4
[23:03]	TR Bot	 PulseAudio Is Dead To Me: Pipewire Is Here To Stay - Invidious
[23:03]	matey	he was more of a hippie after that
[23:03]	matey	/me shrugs
[23:04]	TR News	Git Annex Is The Coolest Program Youve Never Heard Of - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=p0eVyhv2rbk Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
[23:04]	TR Bot	 Git Annex Is The Coolest Program You've Never Heard Of - Invidious
[23:04]	matey	"what were you doing before this?" <- darryl from the office, in "zack and miri" talking to the guy who played randall in "clerks"
[23:04]	matey	"white supremacist"
[23:04]	TR News	Mark Shuttleworth looking for slaves to become his marketers https://fossforce.com/2022/04/mayday-mayday-mayday-ubuntus-throwing-a-release-party-and-needs-speakers/
[23:04]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu's Throwing a Release Party and Needs Speakers! - FOSS Force
[23:04]	matey	"man... fuck you"
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[23:06]	matey	america built its space programme on "rescued" nazi scientists
[23:06]	matey	as far as i know...
[23:06]	immibis	bnchs__: accepting everyone is a logical contradiction. look up paradox of tolerance
[23:06]	matey	its a complex issue. because its not like these scientists were marching around the camps killing people
[23:06]	matey	and being part of the regime wasnt exactly optional 
[23:06]	bnchs__	i don't wanna hold hate against anyone
[23:07]	TR News	People are the best data cleaners https://www.datafix.com.au/BASHing/2022-04-08.html
[23:07]	TR Bot	 People are the best data cleaners
[23:07]	matey	but then again when randall munroe gets on a high horse i wanna say "okay, 'nazis in space'"
[23:07]	schestowitz-TR	operation paperclip
[23:07]	matey	yep
[23:07]	schestowitz-TR	see book "nazis next door"
[23:07]	schestowitz-TR	it's recent
[23:07]	matey	before his time of course
[23:07]	matey	but i mean.
[23:07]	matey	nasa/nazi
[23:08]	matey	its a bit of an ethical grey area imo
[23:08]	schestowitz-TR	allianz=allnaz
[23:08]	matey	let edwin deny sort it out, hes the expert (really)
[23:08]	schestowitz-TR	allianz=allnazi
[23:08]	immibis	bnchs__: paradox of tolerance
[23:08]	matey	/me thinks the paradox of tolerance is a bit hyped up as an answer to everything
[23:08]	schestowitz-TR	Werner Vonn ICBM
[23:08]	MinceR	has randall munroe ever got off the high horse?
[23:08]	matey	used more often to censor people than for ethical quandries
[23:09]	matey	<MinceR>  has randall munroe <- you know what they say, if you keep making that face itll get stuck that way
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[23:10]	matey	i think theyre all useless. let more prove me wrong, that would be great.
[23:10]	schestowitz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro
[23:10]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro
[23:10]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | Tom Lehrer - Wernher von Braun - Invidious
[23:10]	immibis	matey: bnchs is saying he wants to tolerate intolerance. it's a direct application
[23:10]	MinceR	> if you keep making that face itll get stuck that way
[23:10]	matey	immibis: its directly relevant yes
[23:10]	MinceR	has that ever happened?
[23:10]	matey	i question its usefulness
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[23:11]	matey	what if we werent talking about nazis? 
[23:11]	matey	what if we were talking about northern ireland and the republic instead?
[23:11]	bnchs	i mean i'm not a nazi whatsoever
[23:11]	TR News	Canonical licks boots of military company ICBM, loves the taste of it https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-22-04-lts-is-ready-for-ibm-z16
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[23:11]	TR Bot	z16 is here, and Ubuntu 22.04 LTS beta is ready | Ubuntu
[23:11]	immibis	matey: what about it?
[23:11]	matey	immibis: i dont know, thats the thing
[23:11]	bnchs	but really i don't wanna hate anyone
[23:11]	matey	/me shrugs
[23:12]	matey	bnchs: good news, it isnt mandatory (in most places)
[23:12]	matey	though i would warn any decent person against being a doormat
[23:12]	matey	because doormats get exploited and used against good people by bad people
[23:12]	TR News	Canonical to ICBM (with a boot in its mouth): hmmmm. DELICIOUS! Can we taste the other boot?
[23:12]	matey	or against bad people by bad people (sometimes better bad people, sometimes worse bad people)
[23:12]	bnchs	oh
[23:12]	matey	doormats get used, dont be one
[23:12]	bnchs	well i'm sorry if i ever had this argument
[23:12]	matey	but you dont have to hate anybody
[23:13]	bnchs	because it kinda put me in a chokehold
[23:13]	matey	bnchs: im speaking generally. i never said you were one.
[23:13]	matey	bnchs: i wouldnt worry about it
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[23:14]	bnchs__	anyway my connection is unstable (you know midnight ISP bullshit)
[23:14]	matey	yes
[23:14]	bnchs__	i can't talk right now
[23:14]	TR News	Mozilla Performance Blog: Performance Sheriff Newsletter (March 2022) https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2022/04/07/performance-sheriff-newsletter-march-2022/
[23:14]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2022/04/07/performance-sheriff-newsletter-march-2022/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2022/04/07/performance-sheriff-newsletter-march-2022/
[23:14]	TR Bot	 Performance Sheriff Newsletter (March 2022) Mozilla Performance
[23:14]	matey	no worries
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[23:16]	TR News	CISA/NSA; we're ALL ABOUT SHARING! Microsoft shares back doors with us (and neither of us tells you) https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/07/guidance-sharing-cyber-incident-information
[23:16]	TR Bot	 Guidance on Sharing Cyber Incident Information | CISA
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[23:19]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/imagine
[23:19]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Imagine
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[23:20]	matey	"malcolm x john lennon? cmon in and dig your father." "oh, hey pop." <- firesign theatre
[23:20]	bnchs	i hate when the connection gets unstable every midnight
[23:20]	bnchs	mixing a shithole ISP with tons of facebook live streams
[23:20]	matey	<bnchs> i hate when the connection gets unstable every midnight <- cool
[23:20]	bnchs	when everyone's at home
[23:21]	matey	so you can hate something at least :)
[23:21]	bnchs	yeah like microsoft
[23:21]	bnchs	i hate them too
[23:21]	matey	thats a good one
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	FB leave steam=shit
[23:22]	matey	i signed up to play with an old ibm miniframe today
[23:22]	matey	i dont plan to do it for long, i dont feel bad about trying out a historical machine just to try it
[23:22]	matey	its not like im going to start using system i (yes thats what they call it)
[23:22]	schestowitz-TR	 leave steam => because I cannot meet people IN PERSON
[23:22]	matey	/me tries to guess the connection between steam and fb
[23:22]	bnchs	our shithole ISP can't keep up with the bandwidth-intensive shit everyone in this country does
[23:23]	schestowitz-TR	steamy shit
[23:23]	schestowitz-TR	in greenland
[23:23]	matey	 :)
[23:23]	bnchs	try putting metaverse in it aswell
[23:23]	schestowitz-TR	sent with 4 virtual  farts farts farts farts
[23:23]	bnchs	this thing is starting to weigh on my connection speed a bit
[23:24]	matey	i think it would be nice to have reliable email you know, before they try to shove the matrix into these shitty over-booked leases to globally-pathetic internet backbones
[23:24]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/meduza-publishes-new-footage-evidencing-civilian-murders-in-bucha-during-russian-occupation was this shared here?
[23:24]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/meduza-publishes-new-footage-evidencing-civilian-murders-in-bucha-during-russian-occupation https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/07/meduza-publishes-new-footage-evidencing-civilian-murders-in-bucha-during-russian-occupation
[23:24]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[23:24]	bnchs	yeah it's good
[23:24]	XRevan86	> Meduza publishes new footage evidencing civilian murders in Bucha during Russian occupation
[23:24]	matey	those arent murders, theyre special death operations
[23:24]	bnchs	giving more bandwidth to normie crap like facebook and instagram that consumes a shit ton
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[23:24]	bnchs	and less bandwidth to lightweight protocol
[23:25]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163482
[23:25]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[23:25]	immibis	it's a special routing operation bnchs 
[23:25]	matey	hehe
[23:25]	bnchs	XRevan86, i already knew you were a brony, because when i looked up your name i saw "qt-ponies"
[23:25]	XRevan86	bnchs: heh
[23:25]	bnchs	and never said a single thing about it
[23:26]	matey	/me stopped watching fim after the divorce
[23:26]	matey	wife liked anime. and ponies.
[23:26]	matey	her mum reminded me a bit of pinkie pie (similar personality)
[23:26]	schestowitz-TR	ponies with horns
[23:26]	MinceR	https://www.lfg.co/page/42/
[23:26]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: lfg.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.lfg.co/page/42/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.lfg.co/page/42/
[23:26]	TR Bot	 Page 42
[23:26]	matey	ponies with horns and wings!
[23:27]	MinceR	horny ponies
[23:27]	matey	RAINBOW horny ponies
[23:27]	schestowitz-TR	pr0nies?
[23:27]	bnchs	clopping
[23:27]	matey	"princess celestia, you have to help me!"
[23:28]	matey	"what is it rainbow dash, whats wrong?"
[23:28]	matey	"ive got the clop!"
[23:28]	TR News	Audiocasts/Shows and Videos Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163483
[23:28]	TR Bot	 Audiocasts/Shows and Videos | Tux Machines
[23:28]	schestowitz	lxer does not double-check what it posts :/ http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/313832/index.html
[23:28]	TR Bot	Stat Command in Linux Use + Examples
[23:28]	bnchs	my little pony fanfic
[23:28]	bnchs	i must have walked into the wrong channel
[23:29]	matey	no this is still #techrights
[23:29]	XRevan86	matey: 
[23:29]	matey	only this year, roys going with a mlp theme
[23:29]	schestowitz-TR	btw, are pwnies still going?
[23:29]	schestowitz-TR	I've not heard of them in years
[23:29]	schestowitz-TR	so either they don't publicised them or they stopped
[23:29]	matey	gnu/linux is magic
[23:29]	XRevan86	schestowitz: FiM is finished, but a new generation is up.
[23:30]	matey	/me only knows about the cgi ponies because he heard about them here
[23:30]	XRevan86	Ah, Pwnie Awards
[23:30]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwnie_Awards
[23:30]	TR Bot	 Pwnie Awards - Wikipedia
[23:30]	schestowitz	still going
[23:30]	matey	and then only from the wikipedia article
[23:30]	matey	if you think about it, mlp is on its 5th generation 
[23:30]	schestowitz	2021: Most Epic Fail: Microsoft, for their failure to fix PrintNightmare.[8]
[23:30]	matey	it goes all the way back to the 80s.
[23:30]	bnchs	schestowitz, microsoft is the most epic fail
[23:30]	bnchs	that says alot
[23:30]	matey	iif they go on any longer theyre going to merge with doctor who
[23:31]	schestowitz	bnchs: most wsine-e
[23:31]	matey	he will regenerate into an alacorn princess
[23:31]	matey	she
[23:31]	matey	/me shrugs
[23:31]	schestowitz	unixcron-> unicorn
[23:31]	MinceR	lol @ the clop
[23:31]	bnchs	epic fail
[23:31]	matey	/me has not kept up with the doctors gender since the guy from torchwood
[23:31]	XRevan86	matey: Erm, G5 is set in the distant future relative to G4.
[23:31]	XRevan86	With new characters.
[23:31]	matey	 G5 is set in the <- yes, i read
[23:31]	matey	yes, i know
[23:31]	bnchs	MinceR: do not look it up
[23:32]	matey	doctor who has also moved on from previous casts
[23:32]	matey	but i like that they got the old voice actresses for the opening scene
[23:32]	XRevan86	matey: I don't get your idea on merging with Doctor Who then.
[23:32]	matey	that was a nice touch
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[23:32]	matey	<XRevan86> matey: I don't get your idea on merging with Doctor Who then <- okay, well its a stretch to begin with
[23:33]	matey	my point was that both have gone on through several regenerations
[23:33]	matey	and the casts change too, so...
[23:33]	XRevan86	Is RTD coming back to Doctor Who or did I dream that up?
[23:33]	XRevan86	"Russell T Davies to return as Doctor Who showrunner" <- Holy crap, it actually did happen.
[23:34]	matey	/me thought he did a great job rebooting
[23:34]	matey	still love baker, but eccleston and tennant: wonderful
[23:34]	XRevan86	Indeed. And Moffat did his best work under his supervision too.
[23:35]	matey	when i see james corden i still think hes the neighbour.
[23:35]	matey	doesnt matter if hes singing in the car next to selena gomez
[23:35]	XRevan86	matey: :)
[23:35]	matey	but i also liked him in gavin and stacey
[23:36]	bnchs	wtf
[23:36]	matey	/me loves welsh accents best
[23:36]	XRevan86	bnchs: "In June 2010, Corden played Craig Owens in the Doctor Who episode "The Lodger", in which the Doctor moved in with him."
[23:36]	bnchs	something's odd
[23:37]	bnchs	according to a pornhub survey, clop is mostly watched in central and eastern europe
[23:37]	matey	/me giggles
[23:37]	XRevan86	bnchs: I dont' have any part in this.
[23:39]	bnchs	sureeee :)
[23:39]	XRevan86	I do know people that do however :)
[23:42]	TR News	"Suspending your phone when its idle is the key way to increase overall battery life, and recently weve made progress in suspending the Librem 5" https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-suspend-preview/
[23:42]	TR Bot	 Librem 5 Suspend Preview Purism
[23:44]	bnchs	well i don't know how a pony show managed to get a fanbase this big
[23:44]	bnchs	but i won't question it
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[23:44]	bnchs	i rather not know
[23:44]	XRevan86	bnchs: https://yewtu.be/vELn0VlSseo
[23:44]	TR Bot	 Rainbow Dash - Yeah, it's a mystery - Invidious
[23:45]	TR News	Simon Sharwood propping up frauds and charlatans from Gartner; they're paid to lie https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/22/containers_vs_vms_vs_serverless/?sc_cid=7013a000002q6eQAAQ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group
[23:45]	Alternative link	CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/22/containers_vs_vms_vs_serverless/?sc_cid=7013a000002q6eQAAQ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/22/containers_vs_vms_vs_serverless/?sc_cid=7013a000002q6eQAAQ
[23:45]	TR Bot	 Containers may already be best for hybrid apps, says Gartner The Register
[23:45]	TR Bot	 Gartner Group - Techrights
[23:46]	XRevan86	One tab: https://yewtu.be/qRC4Vk6kisY ; another tab: photographs of a woman who's head exploded because the Russian army shot her car with a cannon.
[23:46]	TR Bot	 FPMV: "PFUDOR" - Invidious
[23:46]	matey	/me gives up on the fucking web
[23:47]		*MinceR gives up on the human species
[23:47]	matey	ive been trying for 10 minutes to get a goddamned picture of a monkey puppet
[23:47]	matey	i even tried captioning it to ... because maybe it wouldnt show the fucking picture without a caption
[23:47]	matey	/me questions the advantage of using "fucking" as a generic adjective in this context
[23:47]	schestowitz-TR	matey: you cannot
[23:47]	matey	but seriously
[23:48]	schestowitz-TR	oops
[23:48]	schestowitz-TR	to MinceR
[23:48]	MinceR	why?
[23:48]	schestowitz-TR	it doesm't work like this
[23:48]	schestowitz-TR	they prevent suicides
[23:48]	schestowitz-TR	they don't leave the homeless alone
[23:48]	schestowitz-TR	cannot make a habitat without buying "lot"
[23:48]	MinceR	who are "they"?
[23:49]	schestowitz-TR	the government !!!
[23:49]	bnchs	matey: do i look like i know what a JPEG is, i just want a picture of a god dang hotdog
[23:49]	matey	bnchs: lol
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[23:50]	matey	do i look like i know what a jay-queery is?
[23:50]	MinceR	preventing the human species from coming into existence would have prevented more suicides
[23:50]	matey	you should be pro-suicide, no?
[23:50]	matey	or does it only count if its everyone at once?
[23:51]	XRevan86	One person should take this advice for sure.
[23:51]	psydruid	they teach jay-queery at universities these days, because we all know it's such great technology
[23:51]	XRevan86	Pya V.V., come on already.
[23:51]	matey	/me doesnt support suicide because its nearly always the wrong guy
[23:52]	MinceR	suicide doesn't change much
[23:52]	matey	and also because epstein doesnt count for obvious reasons
[23:52]	XRevan86	MinceR: In that case it would.
[23:52]	MinceR	it's usually very painful and the individual has already experienced a lot of suffering before they can do it
[23:52]	MinceR	it's better to never have been born
[23:52]	TR News	IBM/Red Hat, Fedora and Ubuntu Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163484
[23:52]	TR Bot	 IBM/Red Hat, Fedora and Ubuntu | Tux Machines
[23:53]	schestowitz-TR	[19:15] <techrights-news> JS is a security threat: "jQuery versions prior to 3.0.0 are vulnerable to cross-site scripting (XSS) attacks when a cross-domain Ajax request is performed without the dataType option, causing text/javascript responses to be executed." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-097-01
[23:53]	TR Bot	 Pepperl+Fuchs WirelessHART-Gateway | CISA
[23:55]	TR News	Devices: Librem 5, SmartKnob View, and New System on Chip. Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163485
[23:55]	TR Bot	 Devices: Librem 5, SmartKnob View, and New System on Chip | Tux Machines
[23:58]	TR News	The Bargain Bin B-Tree gemini://marginalia.nu/log/54-bargain-bin-btree.gmi
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[23:59]	TR News	"Its so weird to me that hospitals, banks, shops, and government agencies are popping up GDPR stuff" gemini://idiomdrottning.org/gdpr
[23:59]	schestowitz-TR	hoy: oi!
[23:59]	MinceR	h'oi
[23:59]	bnchs	hoy 'oi