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| scientes | XRevan86, how do i get ssl working with apache? | Aug 07 01:45 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/ssl/ssl_howto.html | Aug 07 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-httpd.apache.org | SSL/TLS Strong Encryption: How-To - Apache HTTP Server Version 2.4 | Aug 07 01:46 | |
| scientes | I need to test nss | Aug 07 01:47 |
| scientes | and the test suite sucks | Aug 07 01:47 |
| scientes | so i think the easiet way is just to install apache | Aug 07 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | First a2enmod ssl | Aug 07 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | Name Service Switch? | Aug 07 01:48 |
| scientes | firefox's tls backend | Aug 07 01:48 |
| scientes | netscape security services | Aug 07 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: How's Apache httpd any special then? | Aug 07 01:48 |
| scientes | it has a mod_nss module | Aug 07 01:48 |
| scientes | Connecting to localhost (localhost)|127.0.0.1|:443... connected. | Aug 07 01:50 |
| scientes | GnuTLS: An unexpected TLS packet was received. | Aug 07 01:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And from curl / browser? | Aug 07 01:50 |
| scientes | wget | Aug 07 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | Well, my guess would be that you did something wrong %). | Aug 07 01:52 |
| scientes | ahh now i got it | Aug 07 01:52 |
| scientes | The certificate's owner does not match hostname ‘localhost’ | Aug 07 01:52 |
| scientes | lawl | Aug 07 01:52 |
| XRevan86 | Doesn't sound like an unexpected TLS packet. | Aug 07 01:52 |
| scientes | yes i fixed it | Aug 07 01:52 |
| XRevan86 | You could always spoof domains with /etc/hosts | Aug 07 01:53 |
| scientes | except its a snakeoil certificate | Aug 07 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | Well, then you have no choice but disable certificate verification. | Aug 07 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | --no-check-certificate | Aug 07 01:54 |
| scientes | wow, i must have been the only person to download 5.3-rc3 off of kernel.org cause it took like 1 minute to start downloading | Aug 07 01:56 |
| scientes | it was probably building the tarball from the git | Aug 07 01:56 |
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| amarsh04 | I first ran debian in mid-2004 with 48 megabytes of ram using twm | Aug 07 05:07 |
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| schestowitz | [05:07] <amarsh04> I first ran debian in mid-2004 with 48 megabytes of ram using twm | Aug 07 08:41 |
| schestowitz | my laptop back then had 32 mb of ram | Aug 07 08:41 |
| schestowitz | until 2005 iirc | Aug 07 08:41 |
| schestowitz | then I stopped using it | Aug 07 08:41 |
| schestowitz | and put DSL on it | Aug 07 08:41 |
| schestowitz | years ago (maybe 5) I broke its PSU | Aug 07 08:41 |
| schestowitz | nor worth the repair cost, esp. for a laptop from the 90s | Aug 07 08:42 |
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| schestowitz | hi all, | Aug 07 09:01 |
| schestowitz | channel: | Aug 07 09:01 |
| schestowitz | I need input on | Aug 07 09:01 |
| schestowitz | <li><h5><a href="https://linux.slashdot.org/story/19/08/06/1839206/linux-performs-poorly-in-low-ram--memory-pressure-situations-on-the-desktop">Linux Performs Poorly In Low RAM / Memory Pressure Situations On The Desktop</a></h5> | Aug 07 09:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Linux Performs Poorly In Low RAM / Memory Pressure Situations On The Desktop - Slashdot | Aug 07 09:01 | |
| schestowitz | <blockquote><p>It's been a gripe for many running Linux on low RAM systems especially is that when the Linux desktop is under memory pressure the performance can be quite brutal with the system barely being responsive. The discussion over that behavior has been reignited this week. | Aug 07 09:01 |
| schestowitz | </p></blockquote></li> | Aug 07 09:01 |
| schestowitz | <li><h5><a href="https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Does-Bad-Low-RAM">Yes, Linux Does Bad In Low RAM / Memory Pressure Situations On The Desktop</a></h5> | Aug 07 09:01 |
| schestowitz | <blockquote><p>It's been a gripe for many running Linux on low RAM systems especially is that when the Linux desktop is under memory pressure the performance can be quite brutal with the system barely being responsive. The discussion over that behavior has been reignited this week. | Aug 07 09:01 |
| schestowitz | Developer Artem S Tashkinov took to the kernel mailing list over the weekend to express his frustration with the kernel's inability to handle low memory pressure in a graceful manner. If booting a system with just 4GB of RAM available, disabling SWAP to accelerate the impact/behavior, and launching a web browser and opening new web pages / tabs can in a matter of minutes bring the system down to its knees. | Aug 07 09:01 |
| schestowitz | </p></blockquote></li> | Aug 07 09:01 |
| schestowitz | Is this accurate | Aug 07 09:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Yes, Linux Does Bad In Low RAM / Memory Pressure Situations On The Desktop - Phoronix | Aug 07 09:01 | |
| schestowitz | or is phoronix taking the piss? | Aug 07 09:01 |
| schestowitz | I saw comments on it, but they're short and vague | Aug 07 09:01 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: is the above true? | Aug 07 09:02 |
| schestowitz | (compared to other OSes) | Aug 07 09:02 |
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| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, ZSWAP makes a huge difference (RAM compression) GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="zswap.enabled=1 zswap.compressor=lz4 zswap.zpool=z3fold" | Aug 07 09:19 |
| MrGreenFriend | Windows 10 & MacOS & Ubuntu have RAM compression on by default. | Aug 07 09:19 |
| schestowitz | what do win and macos have? | Aug 07 09:19 |
| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Zswap | Aug 07 09:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.archlinux.org | Zswap - ArchWiki | Aug 07 09:19 | |
| schestowitz | (put aside the bsds, I'm sure they have ways of coping) | Aug 07 09:19 |
| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, i'm not sure exactly what they have, but i remember reading about it before. RAM compression isn't new at all. but it is relatively new (few years) to be on by default | Aug 07 09:20 |
| schestowitz | if possible, I want to do a rebuttal in article form, but it's a bit out side my ballpark, kernel space; Con Kolivas comes to mind here | Aug 07 09:20 |
| schestowitz | (scheduler, not ram/swap management) | Aug 07 09:20 |
| schestowitz | ram expansion on new systems is insane | Aug 07 09:21 |
| schestowitz | I'm told about systems with TERA-bytes of RAM, not supercomputers, but mere servers | Aug 07 09:21 |
| schestowitz | and now SSD but RAM | Aug 07 09:21 |
| schestowitz | so I guess us who use 2gb of ram (all my PCs are that. my wife's also) get left behind, devs assuming they can use and even leak GBs | Aug 07 09:22 |
| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, grep -R . /sys/module/zswap/parameters;sudo dmesg|grep zswap; sudo grep -R . /sys/kernel/debug/zswap;f;sudo sh -c 'cd /sys/kernel/debug/zswap;perl -E "say $(cat stored_pages) * 4096 / $(cat pool_total_size)"' # to check if loaded ; used ; ZswapCompressionRatio | Aug 07 09:22 |
| schestowitz | I guess my main question is, MrGreenFriend, any point doing a rebuttal to it? | Aug 07 09:22 |
| schestowitz | slashdot promoted it with about 400 comments | Aug 07 09:22 |
| schestowitz | Phoronix even has a garammatic mistake in its headline | Aug 07 09:23 |
| schestowitz | slashdot corrected it, Michael has not. It's an eyesore, both the message and the English | Aug 07 09:23 |
| schestowitz | it also states that as fast | Aug 07 09:24 |
| schestowitz | it also states that as fact | Aug 07 09:24 |
| schestowitz | even though it's to be attributed to one dev, Artem S Tashkinov | Aug 07 09:24 |
| schestowitz | so it smacks of clickbait | Aug 07 09:24 |
| schestowitz | "Yes, Linux Does Bad In Low RAM / Memory Pressure Situations On The Desktop" | Aug 07 09:25 |
| schestowitz | Whose "yes"? Michal's? Artem's? | Aug 07 09:25 |
| schestowitz | Also, compared to what? Vista 10? OSuX? | Aug 07 09:25 |
| schestowitz | it's stigmatising "Linux" as not successful on "desktop" because of "technical" "issues" (not OEM bribes, ISVs etc.) | Aug 07 09:26 |
| schestowitz | (if it's based on purely factual bits, let it be, I'm fine with it; but there's likely more to the story; can Apple and Microsoft handle compression of RAM for instance? I don't know, hence I ask..) | Aug 07 09:27 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: there are techical issues as well as oem issues. | Aug 07 09:29 |
| oiaohm | I have caused Linux to stall in swap hell many times and there are long list of particuar causes of it. facebook made oomd to attempt to deal with it in userspace. | Aug 07 09:30 |
| schestowitz | ok, makes sense | Aug 07 09:34 |
| schestowitz | would you say the assertion is fair? | Aug 07 09:34 |
| schestowitz | and that phoronix is honest here? | Aug 07 09:34 |
| schestowitz | if so, I won't attempt to rebut | Aug 07 09:35 |
| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, Yeh, they should compare to other distros, and to MacOS/Windows. But the complaint is valid, IMO: that Linux (defaults) *should* be 'smarter' when OOM | Aug 07 09:35 |
| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, check what is your vm.vfs_cache_pressure. $ cat /proc/sys/vm/vfs_cache_pressure | Aug 07 09:38 |
| MrGreenFriend | i have mine set to 50, because this article makes sense to. (but i'm not sure what default is nowadays?) https://rudd-o.com/linux-and-free-software/tales-from-responsivenessland-why-linux-feels-slow-and-how-to-fix-that | Aug 07 09:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tales from responsivenessland: why Linux feels slow, and how to fix that — Rudd-O.com in English | Aug 07 09:40 | |
| schestowitz | I will write about it in my personal blog, instead | Aug 07 09:40 |
| schestowitz | based on personal experience | Aug 07 09:40 |
| MrGreenFriend | echo vm.dirty_background_ratio=50 >> /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf | Aug 07 09:42 |
| schestowitz | ah, Rudd-O has been 'gone' for like a decade | Aug 07 09:44 |
| schestowitz | not seen him with any new material | Aug 07 09:44 |
| schestowitz | iirc, he's from ecuador | Aug 07 09:44 |
| MrGreenFriend | my question is: why is the default Zswap MAX only 20% of Total RAM? (and Arch Wiki shows 25% in there example) i have mine set to 50%. i thought the only reason to have a low MAX% is to use less CPU? | Aug 07 09:53 |
| psydroid | my Orange Pi with 2 GB of RAM running everything mainline is my main desktop, which runs generally fine with a swapfile of also 2 GB | Aug 07 09:54 |
| MrGreenFriend | zswap.max_pool_percent=50 | Aug 07 09:55 |
| psydroid | the bigger question for me is why applications these days are so heavy and slow | Aug 07 09:55 |
| MrGreenFriend | psydroid, when u say 'heavy' do u mean use a lot of RAM? because i prefer my RAM to be utilized rather than stay empty ;) | Aug 07 09:59 |
| MrGreenFriend | https://LinuxAteMyRAM.com | Aug 07 10:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxatemyram.com | Help! Linux ate my RAM! | Aug 07 10:00 | |
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| MrGreenFriend | psydroid, https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/927593460642615296.html | Aug 07 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-threadreaderapp.com | Thread by @gravislizard: "almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 amber-screen library computer in 1998: type in two words and hit F […]" | Aug 07 10:02 | |
| MrGreenFriend | psydroid, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15643663 | Aug 07 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 | Hacker News | Aug 07 10:02 | |
| psydroid | MrGreenFriend the issue for me is not using RAM, but using it wisely and efficiently. I have machines with RAM ranging from 1 GB (and less) to 32 GB, so it's definitely not a case of me complaining just for the sake of it :) | Aug 07 10:03 |
| psydroid | my first PC had 32 MB of RAM and it was enough for running everything, so I don't believe that 2 GB is suddenly too little | Aug 07 10:05 |
| MrGreenFriend | The great news is RAM prices are finally dropping a LOT this recently :) https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/ | Aug 07 10:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Memory - Price Trends - PCPartPicker | Aug 07 10:05 | |
| MrGreenFriend | psydroid, well webpages are wayyyyy bigger than they used to be. super funny talk about that. i'll find it for you | Aug 07 10:07 |
| MrGreenFriend | psydroid, https://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm | Aug 07 10:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-idlewords.com | The Website Obesity Crisis | Aug 07 10:09 | |
| schestowitz | prices are one thing | Aug 07 10:11 |
| schestowitz | but on old machines you would not add any | Aug 07 10:11 |
| schestowitz | it would rarely be compatible hardware-wise anyway | Aug 07 10:11 |
| schestowitz | my laptop is over a decade old | Aug 07 10:11 |
| schestowitz | anyone, I'm typing it up | Aug 07 10:11 |
| MrGreenFriend | This is the video that those slides are for ^^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYpl0QVCr6U | Aug 07 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Maciej Ceglowski - The Website Obesity Crisis [Web Directions 2015 Keynote] - YouTube | Aug 07 10:12 | |
| MrGreenFriend | schestowitz, why do u use 10+ old laptop? is it because of Intel Management Engine, or LibreBoot? https://libreboot.org/ | Aug 07 10:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libreboot.org | Libreboot | Aug 07 10:15 | |
| schestowitz | combination of factors | Aug 07 10:16 |
| schestowitz | maybe one day I'll do an article about it, it would be quite long | Aug 07 10:16 |
| schestowitz | 1. frugality | Aug 07 10:16 |
| schestowitz | 2. security | Aug 07 10:16 |
| schestowitz | 3. if it ain'\t broken.. | Aug 07 10:16 |
| schestowitz | 4). old habits | Aug 07 10:16 |
| schestowitz | 5. nostalgia | Aug 07 10:16 |
| schestowitz | 6. environment | Aug 07 10:16 |
| schestowitz | 7. data safety... | Aug 07 10:16 |
| schestowitz | (and so on) | Aug 07 10:16 |
| schestowitz | when it will die, fine... | Aug 07 10:17 |
| schestowitz | its keyboard is bust | Aug 07 10:17 |
| schestowitz | the screen is bust | Aug 07 10:17 |
| schestowitz | the battery is bust | Aug 07 10:17 |
| schestowitz | so it has external keyboar | Aug 07 10:17 |
| schestowitz | external monitor | Aug 07 10:17 |
| schestowitz | power supply, had to change it thrice over the years | Aug 07 10:17 |
| schestowitz | roy@ted:~$ uptime | Aug 07 10:17 |
| schestowitz | 10:17:51 up 301 days, 13:50, 8 users, load average: 0.27, 0.36, 0.36 | Aug 07 10:17 |
| schestowitz | I like going for record, let's see if this machine lasts 15 years | Aug 07 10:18 |
| MrGreenFriend | haha | Aug 07 10:18 |
| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: wife bought it | Aug 07 10:18 |
| schestowitz | before we even got married | Aug 07 10:18 |
| schestowitz | and that's of some sentimental value | Aug 07 10:18 |
| schestowitz | blog post coming: "I Never Had a Machine With More than 2GB of RAM. But Phoronix Portrays GNU/Linux as Sucking on Memory Management." | Aug 07 10:19 |
| MrGreenFriend | reminds me of this, ur going for the record https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/man-drives-toyota-1-million-miles-9-years-gets-free-toyota/ | Aug 07 10:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.motoringresearch.com | Man drives Toyota 1 million miles in 9 years, gets a free Toyota | Motoring Research | Aug 07 10:22 | |
| MrGreenFriend | what brand is it ThinkPad? | Aug 07 10:22 |
| MrGreenFriend | if you are using external keyboard+monitor, u could even replace your laptop with a Desktop. | Aug 07 10:24 |
| schestowitz | hp | Aug 07 10:27 |
| schestowitz | MrGreenFriend: not easily, no... would have to pass around all the bits, including drive etc. | Aug 07 10:27 |
| schestowitz | it's already used more or less as a desktop | Aug 07 10:27 |
| schestowitz | it's sitting there under the table, folder mostly :-) :-) | Aug 07 10:28 |
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| MrGreenFriend | reminds me of Bryan Lunduke, he is all about old nostalgia computers ;) He still runs a BBS! http://LunDuke.com | Aug 07 10:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lunduke.com | Aug 07 10:29 | |
| MrGreenFriend | LunDuke wrote the lyrics to this song. Hilarious :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYRlTISvjww | Aug 07 10:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Uptime Funk - (Uptown Funk parody) - YouTube | Aug 07 10:31 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: I Never Had a Machine With More Than 2GB of RAM. But Phoronix Portrays GNU/Linux as Sucking on Memory Management. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126708 [https://pleroma.site/objects/28d84444-4faa-4bba-ac4d-04b9b502612f] | Aug 07 10:37 | |
| psydroid | MrGreenFriend I have a few pre-UEFI AMD desktops using the AM2 socket from the previous decade for which I bought cheap "AMD-only" DDR2 RAM in the summer of 2017 with the aim of filling them up to 8 GB. | Aug 07 10:51 |
| psydroid | I expect pretty everything except for specific software (HPC, Enterprise, bloated web browsers) to run well on them, also as I managed to get hold of a bunch of fanless old and cheap AMD and Nvidia graphics cards a few months ago. Otherwise it's a bug in my opinion. | Aug 07 10:51 |
| MrGreenFriend | psydroid, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14087381 | Aug 07 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Electron is flash for the desktop (2016) | Hacker News | Aug 07 10:57 | |
| MrGreenFriend | "You can think of slack as a small javascript program running inside another operating system VM (chrome), that you have to run in order to essentially chat on IRC." haha, yup. Electron Apps are the exact opposite of the UNIX Philosophy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy | Aug 07 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Unix philosophy - Wikipedia | Aug 07 10:59 | |
| MrGreenFriend | http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3124 | Aug 07 11:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-esr.ibiblio.org | rsnapshot: you’re doing it right! | Armed and Dangerous | Aug 07 11:00 | |
| psydroid | I'm running those Electron apps in the browser and I'm finding that standalone applications are sometimes not available (on non-x86) or buggy or in some cases simply not compilable | Aug 07 11:26 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Foundation Nowadays Resembles Fake Charities That Exist Not to Support What They Claim to Support http://techrights.org/2019/08/07/lf-fund-laundering/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/0b120662-89d1-483b-a668-6510ba8dd183] | Aug 07 16:15 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Screaming Steel: 1914-1918, Dota 2 and Exodemon http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126710 [https://pleroma.site/objects/59521078-4e10-4a85-817c-a9ace7fc988b] | Aug 07 16:34 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126708#new | Aug 07 16:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | I Never Had a Machine With More Than 2GB of RAM. But Phoronix Portrays GNU/Linux as Sucking on Memory Management. | Tux Machines | Aug 07 16:44 | |
| schestowitz | "I just wasted a bunch of time I'll never get back reading the comment section on Phoronix. All I see is a straw-man argument. The premise seems to be that when you deliberately hamstring the OS, it behaves poorly. Who would have thought?? I've only been using linux for 13 or 14yrs so I'm no "expert", but I've run it on systems with 1G to my current 16G system and I have always run a swap partition and have never experienced an out of memory | Aug 07 16:44 |
| schestowitz | situation. I have always subscribed to the method of having 2xRAM up to a 4G swap. Once I got to a 4G swap that's what I use no matter how much RAM my system has. The only time that could be a problem would be if a person uses hibernation, which I don't. My 16G system stays right around 2.4G used and almost never uses the swap partition. It's so good at memory management that I rarely pay it any attention." | Aug 07 16:44 |
| schestowitz | On my 2GB RAM laptop I even have 10GB of swap, which is too much. My uptime right now is 301 days. | Aug 07 16:44 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Initial Benchmarks Of The Spectre "SWAPGS" Mitigation Performance Impact http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126709 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ec09f917-6c34-40d2-8f3c-8ae417faf6f0] | Aug 07 16:47 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Top 20 Best Apps and Games in Tizen Store for July 2019 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126711 [https://pleroma.site/objects/85e122af-b5f5-4289-b831-adcf109a977a] | Aug 07 16:49 | |
| scientes | schestowitz, my laptop like to not resume the screen from suspend :( | Aug 07 16:49 |
| scientes | and its a thinkpad! | Aug 07 16:49 |
| schestowitz | post-lenovo? | Aug 07 16:50 |
| psydroid | does it have intel graphics? | Aug 07 16:50 |
| scientes | lenovo sold thinkpads? | Aug 07 16:50 |
| scientes | i915 1814528 32 | Aug 07 16:51 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: the ram mess is tricky. Like expanding the swap so you don't hit max to 10GB for a 2GB machine can be the right move. | Aug 07 16:51 |
| scientes | swap is fine, the problem is garbage collected languages that do not perform at all with swap | Aug 07 16:51 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: problem here there is a sucker punch. | Aug 07 16:51 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu 19.10 to Support ZFS on Root as an Experimental Option in the Installer http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126712 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6ecff78a-d31d-4250-9b74-e198d3d72a73] | Aug 07 16:51 | |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel uses swap to defrag particular structures when. | Aug 07 16:52 |
| oiaohm | guess when. | Aug 07 16:52 |
| psydroid | my laptop with both intel and nvidia graphics, doesn't resume properly restoring the screens when using intel graphics, whereas it works fine with nvidia graphics using the proprietary driver | Aug 07 16:52 |
| oiaohm | Yep when system runs out of memory. | Aug 07 16:52 |
| scientes | psydroid, yeah but i had a desktop that worked fine with the propriety driver, until it didn't...... | Aug 07 16:53 |
| scientes | proprietary | Aug 07 16:53 |
| oiaohm | So turning swap off can give appearance of being better but if you run a long uptime you can end up tied up completely in memory fragmentation. | Aug 07 16:53 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: Nvidia/Intel mix there are some very odd bugs. | Aug 07 16:54 |
| scientes | yeah, optimus was not supported for quite a while | Aug 07 16:54 |
| scientes | my last optimus laptop also had huge overheating problems | Aug 07 16:55 |
| scientes | even with nvidia off | Aug 07 16:55 |
| psydroid | oiaohm, on this other laptop, which my uncle gave me because he/we couldn't get it to work, I can only use intel graphics | Aug 07 16:55 |
| scientes | if you tried to compile something full-speed it would overheat and power off on your | Aug 07 16:55 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: I have on a few laptops have to unplug the nvidia module to get the intel built in to behave as well. | Aug 07 16:56 |
| scientes | I just expect thinkpads to work flawlessly with Linux :( | Aug 07 16:57 |
| scientes | they have that reputation | Aug 07 16:57 |
| oiaohm | since they got sold you have to watch the model. | Aug 07 16:57 |
| scientes | well yeah I only get the ones with the mouse in the middle of the keyboard | Aug 07 16:58 |
| scientes | the IBM ones are ancient | Aug 07 16:58 |
| scientes | no-one uses those | Aug 07 16:58 |
| psydroid | recently I've been thinking more and more of getting an SBC and a lapdock so I won't have to deal with vendors and their arbitrary decisions on what they think their customers want | Aug 07 16:58 |
| scientes | like mine is 2013 and it is ancient | Aug 07 16:59 |
| scientes | the IBM ones are 2005 | Aug 07 17:00 |
| scientes | they are probably all 32-bit | Aug 07 17:00 |
| psydroid | mine are from 2016 and I expect them to last for up to 10 years, if nothing serious happens to them | Aug 07 17:02 |
| psydroid | before I used an old laptop from 2002 till 2012, when it finally broke | Aug 07 17:03 |
| scientes | wow, i appreciate that they continue to run unlike shitty cell phones | Aug 07 17:04 |
| scientes | but i need more speed than that | Aug 07 17:04 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126713 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d047219b-4e22-4ffc-9410-beb4acfe5452] | Aug 07 17:08 | |
| psydroid | I think the reason why I didn't get a new laptop at the time was that I didn't find the specs that much better to make me decide to invest in one, so instead of that I built a new desktop | Aug 07 17:12 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126714 [https://pleroma.site/objects/64f499ab-f085-476d-9a2e-14a3b13dc159] | Aug 07 17:12 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EF20: Uncle Kage. Science, Pseudosciene & Outright Scheiße - YouTube | Aug 07 21:20 | |
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