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| upsylum | Hi | Sep 07 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | hi | Sep 07 01:38 |
| upsylum | I am very new here. Been reading Techrights article for a while. | Sep 07 01:39 |
| schestowitz | excellent. and welcome.. | Sep 07 01:40 |
| upsylum | Thanks! | Sep 07 01:40 |
| upsylum | I got caught up and did believe that Microsoft had changed. Not sure what to think about that company anymore. | Sep 07 01:43 |
| schestowitz | There was a PR campaign | Sep 07 01:43 |
| schestowitz | I only regret ignoring the issue for a number of years to focus on software patent issues | Sep 07 01:44 |
| upsylum | I know the history of the company but with a new leader thought like many others that it was different. | Sep 07 01:45 |
| upsylum | There was a PR campaign under the radar that they love linux... | Sep 07 01:45 |
| schestowitz | promoted by Swapnil in Linux.com is #linux as a Microsoft asset (if only they got excited about it not when Microsoft controls it; Swapnil uses Windows) | Sep 07 01:46 |
| schestowitz | https://www.linux.com/news/microsoft-to-hosts-windows-subsystem-for-linux-conference/ | Sep 07 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft To Hosts Windows Subsystem For Linux Conference - Linux.com | Sep 07 01:46 | |
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| schestowitz | upsylum: I will write about it this weekend | Sep 07 01:47 |
| upsylum | Ok I did not know that. | Sep 07 01:47 |
| schestowitz | In the meantime I can paste some notes | Sep 07 01:47 |
| schestowitz | #microsoft plan to 'steal' all/most of FOSS by buying #github was in 2014 (when they stuffed it with their code to game the stats and call themselves "TOP" OSS company). The 2014 date isn't made up; They told that to Bloomberg's Microsoft stenographer in retrospect (that's Dina Bass, their longtime 'shadow'/'mole' in the media, based on antitrust/legal actions' subpoenas) | Sep 07 01:47 |
| schestowitz | A year before the "Microsoft loves Linux" PR campaign started. | Sep 07 01:47 |
| schestowitz | 2 years before 'buying' Linux Foundation. | Sep 07 01:47 |
| schestowitz | #microsoft executes an anti-Linux plan long, long in the making, which includes the change of CEO for PR/posturing purposes (Bill Gates is still in charge of the whole thing and he deeply hates Linux and GNU) | Sep 07 01:48 |
| schestowitz | If you had been given a budget of over $20,000,000,000 ('loose change') to kill #gnu #linux as an independent pillar that competes with #microsoft what would >you< do? Can bribe all sorts... from OEMs to people. | Sep 07 01:48 |
| schestowitz | #microsoft did not port some #proprietarysoftware to #gnu #linux because it "loves" anything (certainly not FOSS; it's proprietary, monopolised by Microsoft); that's just the "Extend" in EEE. Microsoft needs an >exclusive< "Extend" piece/latch. | Sep 07 01:48 |
| schestowitz | I am waiting for RMS to get back to me | Sep 07 01:48 |
| schestowitz | before doing the next batch or articles | Sep 07 01:48 |
| upsylum | I did find very odd that Richard Stallman was at Microsoft. It just didn't fit. | Sep 07 01:48 |
| schestowitz | I need to ask him first | Sep 07 01:49 |
| schestowitz | chance to respond | Sep 07 01:49 |
| upsylum | For sure | Sep 07 01:49 |
| upsylum | Why is this the only place that talks about Microsoft being the same. | Sep 07 01:51 |
| schestowitz | I don't know | Sep 07 01:52 |
| schestowitz | you tell me... | Sep 07 01:52 |
| schestowitz | from my notes | Sep 07 01:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 07 01:52 |
| schestowitz | People don't believe #microsoft and whatever it says about #gnu #linux and #opensource and #freesw | Sep 07 01:52 |
| schestowitz | People know there's no love (that's PR), just #openwashing | Sep 07 01:52 |
| schestowitz | Had people actually believed Microsoft (it has a long history of lying, right from the start 4 decades back), #techrights wouldn't be receiving record traffic in spite of "tough times" for #journalism (I think we do a decent job at it) | Sep 07 01:52 |
| schestowitz | I think this week we have all-time record traffic (in 13 years) | Sep 07 01:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 07 01:52 |
| schestowitz | It's similar at the EPO | Sep 07 01:52 |
| schestowitz | media refuses to cover the scandal | Sep 07 01:52 |
| schestowitz | in some cases the EPO bribed key publishers for it | Sep 07 01:53 |
| schestowitz | " Notice how NOBODY in the media (except me at #techrights ) wrote about the Linux.com layoffs! Nobody. Unlike Linux Journal..." | Sep 07 01:53 |
| schestowitz | This silence alone makes one wonder... | Sep 07 01:53 |
| schestowitz | This isn't normal | Sep 07 01:53 |
| upsylum | That's what I'm thinking too. Not normal at all. | Sep 07 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Some people's job is to control the story media tells | Sep 07 01:55 |
| schestowitz | and paying off those who tell what you don't want tols | Sep 07 01:55 |
| schestowitz | *told | Sep 07 01:55 |
| schestowitz | I saw that at EPO | Sep 07 01:55 |
| schestowitz | They single out 'unwanted' voices | Sep 07 01:55 |
| upsylum | Oh that I believe. The media is not to be trusted. It's somebody's agenda they are pushing...for money. | Sep 07 01:56 |
| upsylum | or other gains. | Sep 07 01:56 |
| schestowitz | that wasn't always their business model. Things changed. | Sep 07 01:57 |
| upsylum | I have noticed that since the Linus break he took, we don't hear from him. I think they got to him. | Sep 07 01:58 |
| schestowitz | We wrote about that | Sep 07 01:58 |
| schestowitz | many times | Sep 07 01:58 |
| schestowitz | see for example (gets link..) | Sep 07 01:58 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/06/29/ousting-linus-torvalds/ | Sep 07 01:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Campaign to Oust Linus Torvalds and Other Microsoft Critics at the ‘Linux’ Foundation | Techrights | Sep 07 01:59 | |
| schestowitz | more recent http://techrights.org/2019/06/23/bill-gates-and-his-jihad/ | Sep 07 01:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Said He Was on a “Jihad” Against GNU/Linux, But GNU/Linux Users/Developers Engaged in Self-Defense Are Foul-Mouthed ‘Microsoft Haters’? | Techrights | Sep 07 01:59 | |
| upsylum | Good article. | Sep 07 02:02 |
| schestowitz | we can't find on our own | Sep 07 02:02 |
| schestowitz | we need help | Sep 07 02:02 |
| schestowitz | we need people to spread the word | Sep 07 02:03 |
| schestowitz | there are sites that try to suppress it | Sep 07 02:03 |
| schestowitz | e.g. by removing links | Sep 07 02:03 |
| schestowitz | (which in itself is odd) | Sep 07 02:03 |
| schestowitz | we don't have money on our side, but truth too is powerful | Sep 07 02:03 |
| upsylum | wow they are really having a department to remove the bad stuff about them. | Sep 07 02:03 |
| schestowitz | yes | Sep 07 02:04 |
| schestowitz | they also tries to get me fired | Sep 07 02:04 |
| upsylum | I can read a few articles sometimes about not trusting Microsoft. Not a lot but some. | Sep 07 02:05 |
| upsylum | The telemetry in windows 10 seems to have died down. | Sep 07 02:05 |
| upsylum | The industry is now after Google in the present and Facebook also. | Sep 07 02:06 |
| upsylum | They don't talk about Microsoft. | Sep 07 02:06 |
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| upsylum | I find that peculiar. | Sep 07 02:07 |
| schestowitz | There's a PR campaign | Sep 07 02:07 |
| schestowitz | "GAFA" used as distraction http://techrights.org/2019/08/20/gafam-and-gnu-linux/ | Sep 07 02:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | To GNU/Linux, the Operating System, GAFAM (Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft) is Not the Threat. Microsoft is. | Techrights | Sep 07 02:07 | |
| schestowitz | it's promoted by sites funded by Bill Gates | Sep 07 02:07 |
| upsylum | so Microsoft pays people to discredit the privacy of Google. | Sep 07 02:12 |
| upsylum | Like writing articles | Sep 07 02:13 |
| upsylum | I don't really know where I stand with Google. I do use some of there product. I do pay for Google One. | Sep 07 02:13 |
| schestowitz | also professors, for "papers" | Sep 07 02:14 |
| schestowitz | but that goes back a long way | Sep 07 02:14 |
| upsylum | that far. | Sep 07 02:14 |
| schestowitz | look up their "Scroogled" PR campaign | Sep 07 02:14 |
| upsylum | Yes I do remember that one. | Sep 07 02:14 |
| upsylum | I think I will be using Linux again. Something is wrong with Microsoft. | Sep 07 02:16 |
| upsylum | But then not hearing from linus makes me uneasy for the Linux Kernel. | Sep 07 02:16 |
| schestowitz | He has done OK for himself | Sep 07 02:17 |
| schestowitz | but what started before him in the 80s is at risk | Sep 07 02:18 |
| upsylum | oh yeah. I think is a very smart guy. | Sep 07 02:18 |
| upsylum | The great thing about linux is that it's a moving target. | Sep 07 02:18 |
| upsylum | Microsoft true colors will soon show. | Sep 07 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Sooner or later, unless we do more, people won't be able to use libre operating systems but some awful 'cloud' crap controlled by government/military private sector | Sep 07 02:19 |
| upsylum | The cloud is also something that will soon show it's true colors. Only a matter of time. | Sep 07 02:20 |
| schestowitz | both already show their colours | Sep 07 02:20 |
| schestowitz | in a lot of ways | Sep 07 02:20 |
| schestowitz | e.g. http://techrights.org/2019/07/27/github-run-by-racist-microsoft/ | Sep 07 02:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Takeover of GitHub Already an Attack on the Four Freedoms in Service of Empire | Techrights | Sep 07 02:21 | |
| upsylum | It needs to be bigger to show regular users what is really going on. | Sep 07 02:21 |
| schestowitz | hence I asked for help | Sep 07 02:24 |
| schestowitz | at times it's only us, people in IRC and a few associates | Sep 07 02:24 |
| schestowitz | we lack the resources to reach out further | Sep 07 02:24 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Python, WordPress and LibreOffice Macros http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127843 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8c1074ad-a206-4405-ae01-2941291e094b] | Sep 07 02:25 | |
| upsylum | There must be others that use linux and would agree with you. | Sep 07 02:25 |
| schestowitz | But I cannot quit my daytime job | Sep 07 02:25 |
| schestowitz | the site brings no income o | Sep 07 02:25 |
| schestowitz | only costs endless time | Sep 07 02:26 |
| schestowitz | kaniini donated a server for us (godsend!) | Sep 07 02:26 |
| schestowitz | everyone but LF (obviously) agrees with us on http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation | Sep 07 02:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights | Sep 07 02:27 | |
| schestowitz | But I wish I could dedicated all my time to researching it | Sep 07 02:27 |
| schestowitz | they're secretive | Sep 07 02:27 |
| upsylum | but yes like many other organization witch hide there true self. | Sep 07 02:28 |
| schestowitz | many do | Sep 07 02:28 |
| schestowitz | all those with greed over integrity | Sep 07 02:28 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Sep 07 02:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Sep 07 02:28 | |
| upsylum | I can only help by spreading the articles. I could also think about other ways too. | Sep 07 02:29 |
| schestowitz | the other thing might be to help fund a full-time researcher | Sep 07 02:29 |
| upsylum | How do you feel about Google. They do have resources that you could leverage. | Sep 07 02:29 |
| schestowitz | But I'm very doubt this is achievable | Sep 07 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Google is irrelevant to it | Sep 07 02:30 |
| schestowitz | I would never seek help from a company like Google or any company at all | Sep 07 02:30 |
| schestowitz | (I don't even use Google; they tried to hire me several times) | Sep 07 02:30 |
| upsylum | Well I do think that's cool. You do have something to offer that they want. | Sep 07 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Liam at GamingOnLinux managed to get funding through Patreon | Sep 07 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Phoronix gets some from subscribers, not sure how much | Sep 07 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Who, Google? | Sep 07 02:31 |
| schestowitz | I'd never take money from Google | Sep 07 02:32 |
| upsylum | I know some people get some on youtube. | Sep 07 02:32 |
| schestowitz | it would corrupt | Sep 07 02:32 |
| upsylum | are you on patreon? | Sep 07 02:32 |
| schestowitz | https://2019.copyleftconf.org/sponsors/ | Sep 07 02:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-2019.copyleftconf.org | CopyleftConf 2019 | About Our Sponsors | Sep 07 02:32 | |
| schestowitz | notice MS, FSF, Google... | Sep 07 02:32 |
| schestowitz | I'm not on patreon | Sep 07 02:32 |
| upsylum | but yes they have money to pass around. | Sep 07 02:33 |
| upsylum | You probably have heard of jupiterbroadcasting. | Sep 07 02:35 |
| schestowitz | sold | Sep 07 02:35 |
| schestowitz | to Linux Academy | Sep 07 02:35 |
| schestowitz | they're still going, but they appear to have long key 'casters' | Sep 07 02:35 |
| schestowitz | posted 26 mins ago: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15923877 | Sep 07 02:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Far too much #microsoft at so-called #linuxacademy (scan the page; this is just wrong...) https://linuxacademy.com/blog/uncategorized/linux-academy-monthly-update-september/ | Sep 07 02:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linuxacademy.com | Linux Academy Monthly Update - September – Linux Academy | Sep 07 02:36 | |
| schestowitz | I also mentioned them yesterday | Sep 07 02:36 |
| upsylum | Yes heard about Linux Academy | Sep 07 02:36 |
| upsylum | They are a sponser of jupiterbroadcasting. | Sep 07 02:37 |
| schestowitz | [02:35] <upsylum> You probably have heard of jupiterbroadcasting. | Sep 07 02:37 |
| schestowitz | is this connected to a sponsorship question? | Sep 07 02:38 |
| upsylum | no | Sep 07 02:38 |
| schestowitz | I link to almost all their podcasts when they come out, inc. bsd and coding ones | Sep 07 02:38 |
| upsylum | cool. I do listen to a lot of there stuff. The thing is....like they say. I never heard them mention you. Maybe they should. | Sep 07 02:39 |
| upsylum | techrights needs to be more exposed. | Sep 07 02:40 |
| schestowitz | That's not what's important | Sep 07 02:40 |
| schestowitz | sometimes a few of them push Microsoft talking points | Sep 07 02:41 |
| upsylum | Well it could bring more resources somehow to help. | Sep 07 02:41 |
| schestowitz | Their owner/parent works with Microsoft, so... | Sep 07 02:41 |
| schestowitz | I don't expect us to get much 'fame' | Sep 07 02:41 |
| upsylum | Ok did not know that. | Sep 07 02:41 |
| schestowitz | We expose corruption by large corporations and institutions, so those close to them are reluctant to mention or 'endorse' | Sep 07 02:42 |
| schestowitz | this has been the case since we started in 2006 | Sep 07 02:42 |
| schestowitz | I became very cynical about media | Sep 07 02:42 |
| schestowitz | they intentionally ignore major scandal we expose, sometimes based on leaks, if the outcome might 'upset' the publisher | Sep 07 02:43 |
| schestowitz | they even remove their own story | Sep 07 02:43 |
| schestowitz | after publication | Sep 07 02:43 |
| upsylum | Ok now I understand a little better why no one else is talking about that stuff. | Sep 07 02:43 |
| schestowitz | if not before http://techrights.org/2015/12/07/bbc-and-epo/ | Sep 07 02:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Did the EPO Spike a BBC Story Regarding Discriminatory Practices, Legal Bullying of Bloggers, and/or Microsoft Bias? | Techrights | Sep 07 02:43 | |
| schestowitz | as someone phones them, demanding removal | Sep 07 02:43 |
| schestowitz | we're not 1) racist 2) wrong 3) offensive | Sep 07 02:44 |
| schestowitz | but we shake some myths that are well-funded, so the cards are stacked against us | Sep 07 02:44 |
| upsylum | I understand your standing. It just frustrates me that not more people get this stuff. | Sep 07 02:45 |
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| schestowitz | maybe some will | Sep 07 02:49 |
| schestowitz | but that's not what matters | Sep 07 02:49 |
| schestowitz | we write articles | Sep 07 02:49 |
| schestowitz | we source with urls and direct quotes from said people | Sep 07 02:49 |
| schestowitz | wife helps run tuxmachines, where we catalogue FOSS and Linux news | Sep 07 02:49 |
| schestowitz | over time more people will understand what's really going on | Sep 07 02:49 |
| schestowitz | first they get upset at the messenger | Sep 07 02:49 |
| schestowitz | later they have time to think about it, like theists in denial | Sep 07 02:50 |
| schestowitz | but the action we can take is limited; we don't have any budget, just time and server | Sep 07 02:50 |
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| upsylum | If I can help I will. | Sep 07 02:52 |
| schestowitz | here's an honest question | Sep 07 02:52 |
| upsylum | shoot | Sep 07 02:52 |
| schestowitz | will you and others consider funding the site so that I can do it full-time? I doubt so | Sep 07 02:53 |
| schestowitz | many people wrongly assume that when one is a phd there's lots of money | Sep 07 02:53 |
| upsylum | It's a broad question. | Sep 07 02:53 |
| XRevan86 | > I did find very odd that Richard Stallman was at Microsoft. It just didn't fit. | Sep 07 02:53 |
| schestowitz | but that's not the case; so I very much doubt people would help make it a full-time activity; we get no financial support | Sep 07 02:53 |
| XRevan86 | He did go to RT for instance. | Sep 07 02:54 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Sep 07 02:54 |
| schestowitz | I thought of connecting the two | Sep 07 02:54 |
| schestowitz | but saw no connection, XRevan86 | Sep 07 02:54 |
| schestowitz | the joke would go something alone the lines of, "maybe they drugged him" | Sep 07 02:54 |
| XRevan86 | He is not the kind of person who thinks that a platform matters as long as he gets his message across. | Sep 07 02:54 |
| schestowitz | wife made that joke in passing | Sep 07 02:54 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: well, he needs to be a little more picky | Sep 07 02:55 |
| schestowitz | or base judgment based on what would happen | Sep 07 02:55 |
| schestowitz | that judgment didn't work right when he went to MSFT | Sep 07 02:55 |
| upsylum | nothing that was said in there was posted in anyway on the internet. | Sep 07 02:56 |
| upsylum | It was like a secret meeting. | Sep 07 02:56 |
| upsylum | or just say that he was there to make them look good. | Sep 07 02:56 |
| schestowitz | his presence there alone helps them | Sep 07 02:57 |
| schestowitz | they would spin the hell out of it | Sep 07 02:57 |
| upsylum | my thoughts also. | Sep 07 02:57 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I saw him in St. Petersburg, and of course his presentation had Microsoft bashing. | Sep 07 02:57 |
| schestowitz | e.g. "Roy!! Even RMS is OK with Microsoft!!" | Sep 07 02:57 |
| XRevan86 | It's not like he's toned down. | Sep 07 02:57 |
| upsylum | something else is going on with all this at Microsoft. | Sep 07 02:58 |
| upsylum | don't they have a happening Oct 2 | Sep 07 02:58 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You can send back a link with a timestamp from any of his recent presentations where he condones Microsoft. | Sep 07 02:58 |
| schestowitz | that's not the point though | Sep 07 02:58 |
| schestowitz | nobody said he condoned | Sep 07 02:58 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Anyway, a person who'd say RMS is okay with Microsoft has to know nothing of RMS. | Sep 07 03:00 |
| schestowitz | that does not matter | Sep 07 03:00 |
| schestowitz | the target audience isn't us | Sep 07 03:00 |
| XRevan86 | RMS has a problem with OSI. Microsoft is slightly further from that. | Sep 07 03:00 |
| schestowitz | but some more gullible people with less background knowledge | Sep 07 03:00 |
| schestowitz | people who think "Torvalds invents Linux in 1991" | Sep 07 03:01 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: How would they know RMS even exists… | Sep 07 03:01 |
| schestowitz | Church of Emacs went into a Mosque to teach people there about GNU. Obviously the number of net converts was zero. So what's the point? You risk your credibility if not your life. | Sep 07 03:02 |
| schestowitz | based on what I saw (feedback), he only had a lot to lose by going there | Sep 07 03:04 |
| schestowitz | nothing to gain | Sep 07 03:04 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I gave up on trying to understand what people who don't think are going to think from one event or another. Maybe RMS did too. | Sep 07 03:07 |
| schestowitz | it harms morale in gnu though | Sep 07 03:08 |
| schestowitz | and can discourage some gnu devs and maintainers | Sep 07 03:08 |
| XRevan86 | Because RMS went to Microsoft and said "free good, proprietary bad"? | Sep 07 03:09 |
| schestowitz | no, the first part | Sep 07 03:09 |
| schestowitz | "went to Microsoft" | Sep 07 03:09 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora News and Red Hat Survey on Storage http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127846 [https://pleroma.site/objects/494f9f10-0692-4bd7-bbb7-f73d90a7cd7f] | Sep 07 03:10 | |
| schestowitz | like shaking Kim's hand, then saying "stop nukes" | Sep 07 03:10 |
| schestowitz | and he won't stop anyway | Sep 07 03:10 |
| schestowitz | so you end up just shaking hands with a bad person | Sep 07 03:10 |
| XRevan86 | On RT he talked about surveillance bad. | Sep 07 03:11 |
| schestowitz | RT will still support Russian surveillance | Sep 07 03:12 |
| schestowitz | but oppose Western spyin | Sep 07 03:12 |
| XRevan86 | Who knows, maybe someone who saw that broadcast got something out of it. | Sep 07 03:12 |
| schestowitz | but anyway, the analogy here (if any) is unsuitable | Sep 07 03:13 |
| schestowitz | RT and Microsoft are bad for different reasons | Sep 07 03:13 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: DNS-over-HTTPS (DoH) and Communications http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127847 [https://pleroma.site/objects/90fb02b5-8899-4ab2-92e0-0750918a13b4] | Sep 07 03:14 | |
| XRevan86 | RMS went to a corrupt organisation to preach. | Sep 07 03:14 |
| schestowitz | name some | Sep 07 03:14 |
| XRevan86 | RMS has an active political opinion, and it is fundamentally at odds with what RT stands for. | Sep 07 03:15 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I mean Microsoft and RT. | Sep 07 03:15 |
| schestowitz | on the political level | Sep 07 03:15 |
| schestowitz | (which is different) | Sep 07 03:15 |
| schestowitz | RT is risky to him as it's Kremlin-funded | Sep 07 03:15 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft actively work to undermine GPL | Sep 07 03:15 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: So what you say is that Microsoft is closer to the direct work of RMS | Sep 07 03:17 |
| schestowitz | in the negative sense, yew | Sep 07 03:18 |
| schestowitz | *yes | Sep 07 03:18 |
| schestowitz | Political issues of national loyalty aren't a gnu thing | Sep 07 03:18 |
| schestowitz | as GNU isn't a US project, people worldwide work on it,, Russians included | Sep 07 03:18 |
| XRevan86 | I don't really see it as a national loyalty thing (: | Sep 07 03:19 |
| schestowitz | to some it us | Sep 07 03:20 |
| schestowitz | let me explain | Sep 07 03:20 |
| schestowitz | RT issue: "RMS is "with the Russian" | Sep 07 03:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft issue: "RMS went to Microsoft, proprietary software" | Sep 07 03:21 |
| schestowitz | one would be frowned upon for political reasons | Sep 07 03:21 |
| XRevan86 | As a Russian I would've seen it in a completely different light if RMS went not to RT, but to Dozhd' for instance (I don't think they do English, but for the sake of analogy) | Sep 07 03:21 |
| schestowitz | whereas the other for technical or licence reasons, no matter the content of the talk | Sep 07 03:21 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Sep 07 03:22 |
| schestowitz | YouTube started flagging videos from channels that receive funding from Chinese and Russian governments | Sep 07 03:22 |
| schestowitz | Maybe other nations also | Sep 07 03:22 |
| schestowitz | I noticed that for the first time less than a week ago | Sep 07 03:22 |
| schestowitz | I think it's a new sort of ploy to discredit "foreign influence" | Sep 07 03:23 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: peculiar | Sep 07 03:23 |
| schestowitz | and this is the kind of reason I refuse to go on the shows of Russian media; it would be spun against me, like it was against Assange and associates | Sep 07 03:23 |
| schestowitz | YouTube even adds a link to Wikipedia | Sep 07 03:23 |
| schestowitz | to give that flagging perceived credibility | Sep 07 03:23 |
| schestowitz | My wife noticed that too | Sep 07 03:23 |
| schestowitz | She had noticed that and then told me after I told her, I think it's a very new thing in YouTube | Sep 07 03:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: The issue of "domestic influence" not being credible either aside, that's not unjustified %). | Sep 07 03:24 |
| schestowitz | They ramp up their info warfare in the US government right now | Sep 07 03:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Bashing people for taking a platform and then not doing anything obviously negative with it is a bit too far. | Sep 07 03:26 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: But I can see how that's a realistic danger. | Sep 07 03:26 |
| schestowitz | you don't get to be the arbiter | Sep 07 03:27 |
| schestowitz | and you cannot control how other people feel about you | Sep 07 03:27 |
| XRevan86 | This whole discussion revolves around the good old bias from association. | Sep 07 03:27 |
| schestowitz | and that's just how things are unfortunately | Sep 07 03:27 |
| schestowitz | for instance, I got slammed for opposing H Clinton | Sep 07 03:28 |
| schestowitz | as if that makes me pro-Trump | Sep 07 03:28 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I could spend a lifetime trying to understand the Usonian mentality and still not quite get it. | Sep 07 03:32 |
| schestowitz | similar to here... | Sep 07 03:32 |
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| XRevan86 | I explain it with epic levels of denial. | Sep 07 03:37 |
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| XRevan86 | At least Russians know that their state sucks and who's more or less to blame for their problems. | Sep 07 03:37 |
| XRevan86 | For Usonians it both sucks and at the same time the greatest system ever conceived. | Sep 07 03:38 |
| XRevan86 | When something goes wrong of course it's not the great system that's at fault, it's the evil geeks on imageboards or videogames. | Sep 07 03:40 |
| schestowitz | haha | Sep 07 03:40 |
| schestowitz | and ignore 50 invaded nations/economies | Sep 07 03:40 |
| schestowitz | "collateral damage" of consumerist lifestyles | Sep 07 03:41 |
| schestowitz | people in debt are just "overspenders" | Sep 07 03:41 |
| schestowitz | homeless are "drunks" and "drug addicts" | Sep 07 03:41 |
| schestowitz | austerity if the "EU's fault" (not in Greece, in the British Empire) | Sep 07 03:42 |
| XRevan86 | Dictatorships are only bad when they don't cooperate, of course. | Sep 07 03:42 |
| schestowitz | esp. if they have access to nukes | Sep 07 03:42 |
| schestowitz | because then it's harder to "liberate" them with military bases | Sep 07 03:43 |
| XRevan86 | Then it's the moral duty of the free world to free the people^W^W^W make them cooperate. | Sep 07 03:43 |
| schestowitz | no, to bomb them | Sep 07 03:43 |
| schestowitz | because of their dictators | Sep 07 03:44 |
| XRevan86 | I don't go into details | Sep 07 03:44 |
| schestowitz | see Cambodia | Sep 07 03:44 |
| schestowitz | "we bomb you because you're oppressed" | Sep 07 03:44 |
| XRevan86 | whichever gets the job done | Sep 07 03:44 |
| schestowitz | "trust us, our bombs are good for you. We mean well" | Sep 07 03:44 |
| XRevan86 | the real job, of course | Sep 07 03:45 |
| schestowitz | RMS has no responded to me yet, which is unusual | Sep 07 03:45 |
| schestowitz | So I will fire away | Sep 07 03:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Maybe he hasn't figured out what to respond with yet %). | Sep 07 03:47 |
| XRevan86 | Because I suspect he feels like "I'm sorry people feel this way", and although that is sometimes justified, this words should never get out. | Sep 07 03:48 |
| XRevan86 | these* | Sep 07 03:48 |
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| XRevan86 | of anyone's mouth | Sep 07 03:50 |
| XRevan86 | So he has to make up his mind, either he thinks every place is good for a missionary mission or a message to the public and good appearances are more important. | Sep 07 03:54 |
| XRevan86 | It's a tricky choice to make, I think. | Sep 07 03:54 |
| XRevan86 | And since it's not the first time he went through muddy waters he needs to decide whether he actually stepped to far or not. | Sep 07 03:56 |
| XRevan86 | I wouldn't've thought he did. | Sep 07 03:56 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: But if people are actually getting caught up in this, then it would seem he did. | Sep 07 03:56 |
| schestowitz | my view is this: | Sep 07 03:57 |
| schestowitz | photo ops are association | Sep 07 03:57 |
| schestowitz | platform participation will be seen as tacit endorsement | Sep 07 03:57 |
| schestowitz | even when it's not | Sep 07 03:58 |
| schestowitz | because that's how your foes will choose to (mis)interpret it | Sep 07 03:58 |
| schestowitz | that's why, for example, I never respond to RT and Sputnik | Sep 07 03:58 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: And his request not to make photographs can be used as an argument that he tried to hide his evil collusion. | Sep 07 04:00 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder if someone actually went there already… | Sep 07 04:00 |
| XRevan86 | I haven't checked my Fediverse timeline in a few days. | Sep 07 04:00 |
| XRevan86 | If someone thought of something stupid, it'll be there. | Sep 07 04:01 |
| schestowitz | they could at least be transparent | Sep 07 04:01 |
| XRevan86 | Most probable that RMS wanted to have a win-win situation: both preach to Microsoft and avoid misinterpreted association. | Sep 07 04:03 |
| schestowitz | exactly | Sep 07 04:04 |
| XRevan86 | Instead it's pretty much a lose-lose | Sep 07 04:04 |
| schestowitz | same for wikileaks using RT as a platform | Sep 07 04:07 |
| schestowitz | RT looks good | Sep 07 04:07 |
| schestowitz | gets hits | Sep 07 04:08 |
| schestowitz | and Wikileaks sees itself associated with Russia | Sep 07 04:08 |
| schestowitz | so at the end it's mostly RT gaining, in the long run at least | Sep 07 04:08 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Unlike with RMS, as I understand it, Wikileaks didn't have much of a selection to choose from. | Sep 07 04:12 |
| schestowitz | btw, it did not 'choose' RT per se | Sep 07 04:12 |
| schestowitz | the filmmakers had it licensed by RT and others | Sep 07 04:12 |
| schestowitz | sometimes RT was the only channel willing to 'give a platform' to WL staff | Sep 07 04:13 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes DemocracyNow | Sep 07 04:13 |
| schestowitz | which is OK (the latter) | Sep 07 04:13 |
| XRevan86 | "so at the end it's mostly RT gaining, in the long run at least" – I hope that today their true nature is obvious enough to nullify anything they gained from supporting western activism. | Sep 07 04:16 |
| XRevan86 | which is being pathological liars | Sep 07 04:17 |
| XRevan86 | They try a bit more on international front, but the end result is the same. | Sep 07 04:18 |
| XRevan86 | on the international * | Sep 07 04:18 |
| XRevan86 | and also being a massive money drain | Sep 07 04:19 |
| XRevan86 | and it's interlinked with local TV too | Sep 07 04:22 |
| XRevan86 | It helps to know what people work there | Sep 07 04:23 |
| schestowitz | They never invited me to speak about software, only to bash the West in some form, which is quite revealing. At least from RMS they had expectations of speaking about software | Sep 07 04:25 |
| XRevan86 | Like the director of RT Dmitry Kiselev who also hosts the infamous Vesti of the Week, and Margarita Simonyan, who with her husband filmed the disastrous propaganda film The Crimean Bridge. Made With Love | Sep 07 04:25 |
| schestowitz | haha | Sep 07 04:26 |
| schestowitz | sounds like a hoot | Sep 07 04:26 |
| XRevan86 | And her husband Tigran Keosayan also hosts a programme, a late night show, except with abysmal political humour | Sep 07 04:27 |
| XRevan86 | The jokes there are so tasteless, it deserves some kind of award | Sep 07 04:28 |
| schestowitz | to be frank... | Sep 07 04:31 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I don't know how the production went, but odds are it's sponsored by the state Cinema Foundation | Sep 07 04:31 |
| schestowitz | I cannot recall ever seeing good jokes on Russian TV | Sep 07 04:31 |
| schestowitz | the closest they got to it is that lalalalalala song | Sep 07 04:31 |
| schestowitz | if you know the one I refer to, went 'viral' in Western video sharing sites | Sep 07 04:32 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Now imagine a show that stands out even there. | Sep 07 04:32 |
| schestowitz | but people I know who grew up in Russia have a good sense of honour | Sep 07 04:32 |
| schestowitz | humour I mean | Sep 07 04:32 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: TV in Russia is pretty sterile | Sep 07 04:33 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Bad comedy is just about manifestation | Sep 07 04:33 |
| schestowitz | > i cant tell you what to do, but i suspect the content of the most recent contribution is something you can run BEFORE you hear from rms. | Sep 07 04:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 07 04:34 |
| schestowitz | > it leans heavily towards defense, you didnt write it, and it is my opinion that running it straightaway would not go against ANY promises youve made about responding officially to the rms matter. | Sep 07 04:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 07 04:34 |
| schestowitz | > just throwing that out there, i know youll do whatever you think is best. cheers. | Sep 07 04:34 |
| schestowitz | I open email about once a day. I'd have posted your article had I seen it yesterday. I only saw it 30 minutes ago. | Sep 07 04:34 |
| *schestowitz preparing articles on RMS | Sep 07 04:34 | |
| *schestowitz edits Assange-Snowden-RMS pic | Sep 07 04:34 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: There were relatively decent attempts like "Nasha Rasha" (a Little Britain rip-off), "Beware, the Youth", "6 kadrov" | Sep 07 04:36 |
| XRevan86 | s/Beware/Give to/ | Sep 07 04:36 |
| XRevan86 | A mental collision with another show | Sep 07 04:36 |
| schestowitz | Re: for immediate publication | Sep 07 04:37 |
| schestowitz | > i hope youll get the picture included inline. theres a link and a note. | Sep 07 04:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 07 04:37 |
| schestowitz | > stuff that needs to be said: | Sep 07 04:37 |
| XRevan86 | In the 90s, Gorodok, "Beware, Modern 2", Kalambur | Sep 07 04:37 |
| XRevan86 | Neither are top tier humour, and are either relics or beaten to death. | Sep 07 04:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 07 04:39 |
| schestowitz | https://stallman.org/rms-assange-snowden.jpg | Sep 07 04:39 |
| schestowitz | [Please add this picture inline -- you may need to resize/upload locally.] | Sep 07 04:39 |
| schestowitz | © Permission to use is implied, photo is not in the public domain but it really ought to be. | Sep 07 04:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 07 04:40 |
| schestowitz | bbiab | Sep 07 04:42 |
| schestowitz | need to focus on this editing job | Sep 07 04:42 |
| XRevan86 | There's more stuff from the 90s and early 2000s that's genuinely good, like Kukly (Puppets) or Turn off the Light | Sep 07 04:43 |
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| XRevan86 | But if we're talking about Russian TV as it is today, then humour is a goner. | Sep 07 04:47 |
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| schestowitz | ok, done | Sep 07 05:10 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: finished the first | Sep 07 05:11 |
| schestowitz | this one is a guest post, albeit a long one | Sep 07 05:11 |
| schestowitz | now I'll do my own articles | Sep 07 05:11 |
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| schestowitz | " | Sep 07 08:35 |
| schestowitz | By the way, some of the Atom or RSS feeds have broken in new ways so | Sep 07 08:35 |
| schestowitz | I've made a few more changes to the scraper so that it is more robust. | Sep 07 08:35 |
| schestowitz | As usual I've put the latest version on TR in ~/bin/ I think I'll start | Sep 07 08:35 |
| schestowitz | using Git for these things soon. The push over the edge is that OpenBSD | Sep 07 08:35 |
| schestowitz | is making its own version control system which aims to be 100% Git | Sep 07 08:35 |
| schestowitz | compatible in regards to the files. | Sep 07 08:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 07 08:35 |
| schestowitz | Some people of ours don't trust Git anymore :/ | Sep 07 08:35 |
| schestowitz | because of Microsoft | Sep 07 08:35 |
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| XRevan86 | There's no reason not to trust Git. | Sep 07 12:24 |
| XRevan86 | Microsoft finds a lot of things useful. Git is just one of their latest victims.k | Sep 07 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Peter did a coup piece about it | Sep 07 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft wrote it | Sep 07 12:31 |
| schestowitz | about how they used git internally | Sep 07 12:31 |
| schestowitz | months later they bought github | Sep 07 12:31 |
| schestowitz | and later he was arrested for screwing kids | Sep 07 12:31 |
| XRevan86 | CodePlex also supported Git. | Sep 07 12:33 |
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| MinceR | "supported" | Sep 07 13:46 |
| schestowitz | I support Klingon rights | Sep 07 13:51 |
| XRevan86 | allowed use of | Sep 07 13:51 |
| schestowitz | thank you Microsoft | Sep 07 13:51 |
| schestowitz | ALLOW ME. PLEASE!!! | Sep 07 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Mr. FOSS BOSS Microsoft | Sep 07 13:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 07 13:52 |
| XRevan86 | included git repos | Sep 07 13:52 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxNewsToday/comments/d0ufme/microsofts_takedown_plot_part_iii_making_gnulinux/ | Sep 07 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Microsoft's Takedown Plot - Part III: Making GNU/Linux About 'Choice' Instead of Freedom (as in Software Freedom) : LinuxNewsToday | Sep 07 13:52 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/07/27/github-run-by-racist-microsoft/ | Sep 07 13:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Takeover of GitHub Already an Attack on the Four Freedoms in Service of Empire | Techrights | Sep 07 13:53 | |
| MinceR | they don't even let us have choice anymore | Sep 07 13:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/benkramer/status/1170314068948860928 | Sep 07 13:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@benkramer: #FuckMicrosoft "Microsoft’s Plan for #Linux is to Make it Proprietary Software With ‘Surveillance Capitalism’" | Te… https://t.co/ep7OcdqpPw | Sep 07 13:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/WarOnThoughts/status/1170315246474604544 | Sep 07 13:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@WarOnThoughts: Don’t let them do it. Free will turn into a subscription. And Linux will be rebuilt by wing nuts who think BSOD is… https://t.co/g9nB300ai8 | Sep 07 13:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@WarOnThoughts: Don’t let them do it. Free will turn into a subscription. And Linux will be rebuilt by wing nuts who think BSOD is… https://t.co/g9nB300ai8 | Sep 07 13:53 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19073051 | Sep 07 15:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Sep 07 15:18 | |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/09/01/724a3913003c6b47.mp4 | Sep 07 15:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: what a contraption | Sep 07 15:53 |
| XRevan86 | bells with pedals, neat | Sep 07 15:53 |
| MinceR | carillon | Sep 07 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | > Daaaamn....they were buddies. And Gates Chief Science Officer was the | Sep 07 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > backup executor of Epstein’s will. | Sep 07 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > https://twitter.com/ronanfarrow/status/1170170472698437632?s=21 | Sep 07 18:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RonanFarrow: How an elite university research center concealed its relationship with a sex offender—documents show MIT Media Lab… https://t.co/j6VASvjHE6 | Sep 07 18:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RonanFarrow: How an elite university research center concealed its relationship with a sex offender—documents show MIT Media Lab… https://t.co/j6VASvjHE6 | Sep 07 18:33 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, I mentioned that. | Sep 07 18:33 |
| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/bk4iau.jpg | Sep 07 18:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: science | Sep 07 18:37 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 07 18:38 |
| mk[] | is it supposed to be a joke? | Sep 07 18:42 |
| MinceR | yes | Sep 07 18:43 |
| mk[] | you got better ones? :) | Sep 07 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: knock-knock | Sep 07 18:49 |
| mk[] | who's there? | Sep 07 18:49 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: | Sep 07 18:49 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/YBhs7b7Pl4U?t=9 | Sep 07 18:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Molecular Man - YouTube | Sep 07 18:49 | |
| mk[] | XRevan86: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzvjG13w9hA | Sep 07 18:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I HAVE AUTISM | SONGS FOR KIDS - YouTube | Sep 07 18:51 | |
| mk[] | so what is techrights? | Sep 07 18:53 |
| mk[] | how is it different from the EFF? | Sep 07 18:53 |
| mk[] | less funding? | Sep 07 18:53 |
| mk[] | :) | Sep 07 18:53 |
| MinceR | mk[]: http://i.imgur.com/91uXQmO.gifv | Sep 07 18:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Classic | Sep 07 18:53 | |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: Comments are disabled. | Sep 07 18:54 |
| mk[] | MinceR: better, but still not funny | Sep 07 18:55 |
| mk[] | XRevan86: no need to comment, just sing along | Sep 07 18:56 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: Fair enough. | Sep 07 18:56 |
| mk[] | or alone | Sep 07 18:56 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: I cannot be completely sure, but I have a suspicion you are implying something. | Sep 07 18:57 |
| mk[] | sing alonE like a true autist | Sep 07 18:58 |
| mk[] | it's my turn to post bad jokes | Sep 07 18:58 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: I'm just kidding, in a particularly boring way %) | Sep 07 18:59 |
| mk[] | we should make a social network for nerds/autists | Sep 07 19:01 |
| mk[] | look at you posting twitter links here. pathetic | Sep 07 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: There are mostly Pleroma links here %) | Sep 07 19:01 |
| mk[] | hmm, didn't know this one. diaspora was cool back in the day | Sep 07 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: It's an ActivityPub-based social network. The Fediverse, as we call it. | Sep 07 19:02 |
| mk[] | I actually just need the messaging feature | Sep 07 19:03 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: So, XMPP. | Sep 07 19:03 |
| mk[] | too complex, too ugly | Sep 07 19:03 |
| mk[] | but maybe it's okay for some contexts | Sep 07 19:04 |
| XRevan86 | It's an imperfect world. | Sep 07 19:04 |
| XRevan86 | It's like SQL. Kinda ugly, but still delivers better than the alternatives in most contexts. | Sep 07 19:04 |
| mk[] | SQL is disgusting, databases are a disgrace | Sep 07 19:05 |
| mk[] | there are no alternatives because there's no organized effort to improve databases | Sep 07 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: There's "NoSQL". But of course they're all trying to fill a niche and not replace SQL in everything. | Sep 07 19:06 |
| mk[] | they all suck at fixing the relevant problems | Sep 07 19:06 |
| mk[] | 1) seemlessly saving the state of your program | Sep 07 19:07 |
| mk[] | 2) client-server sync | Sep 07 19:07 |
| XRevan86 | SQL is simply not bad enough to throw all the effort put into it away. | Sep 07 19:08 |
| mk[] | this kinda thinking will only lead to more hacks on top of SQL DBs | Sep 07 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | Well, at least new hacks like CTEs look kinda decent. | Sep 07 19:09 |
| mk[] | there's already shitty patches like jsonb | Sep 07 19:09 |
| mk[] | jsonb tries to solve problem 1) | Sep 07 19:10 |
| MinceR | the alternatives to SQL are not well known enough | Sep 07 19:12 |
| MinceR | like BS12 and TQL | Sep 07 19:12 |
| MinceR | afaict they both use a better model | Sep 07 19:12 |
| mk[] | the query langauge doesn't matter much | Sep 07 19:12 |
| mk[] | as long as it helps with the 2 problems I listed | Sep 07 19:12 |
| MinceR | it does to whoever is stuck having to code it | Sep 07 19:13 |
| mk[] | yeah, that's what the autist was hired to do | Sep 07 19:13 |
| mk[] | I'm talking about the big picture | Sep 07 19:13 |
| mk[] | if I wanna make an app that delivers snacks to people, I give no shits about what query language it is | Sep 07 19:13 |
| MinceR | has someone told psychiatrist that they can all retire, now that people who can identify autism on sight exist? | Sep 07 19:14 |
| MinceR | s/st/sts/ | Sep 07 19:14 |
| mk[] | all I want is a working app | Sep 07 19:14 |
| mk[] | if they all retire, who's gonna write DSM-VI? :) | Sep 07 19:14 |
| *XRevan86 is yet to figure out whom mk[] called The Autist | Sep 07 19:14 | |
| MinceR | your app will be more bloated because SQL can't use variables so if you need multiple instances of a sub-select, you get to copy it twice | Sep 07 19:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Hah, I just mentioned CTEs | Sep 07 19:15 |
| MinceR | 07 201434 < mk[]> if they all retire, who's gonna write DSM-VI? :) | Sep 07 19:15 |
| MinceR | people like you | Sep 07 19:15 |
| mk[] | sweet, I'll just have 600 empty pages in it | Sep 07 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchical_and_recursive_queries_in_SQL#Common_table_expression | Sep 07 19:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hierarchical and recursive queries in SQL - Wikipedia | Sep 07 19:15 | |
| MinceR | "list of people who have autism" followed by 600 empty pages? | Sep 07 19:15 |
| mk[] | list of people who have autism, and a reflective mirror page :) | Sep 07 19:16 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: oh, nice | Sep 07 19:16 |
| MinceR | the syntax sucks, but i guess one could generate that from a saner language | Sep 07 19:16 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's a fairly okay syntax, I think. You just prepend your query with a WITH, where you put your subquery. | Sep 07 19:17 |
| MinceR | yeah, and list your columns after WITH RECURSIVE, and then list them again in your SELECT | Sep 07 19:18 |
| MinceR | and you SHOUT IN ENGLISH | Sep 07 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You don't have to do this. | Sep 07 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | you can, but you don't have to | Sep 07 19:18 |
| mk[] | XRevan86: the autist is "whoever is stuck having to code it" | Sep 07 19:18 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 07 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: You should make a dictionary. | Sep 07 19:19 |
| MinceR | having a dictionary implies being consistent | Sep 07 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | > and you SHOUT IN ENGLISH | Sep 07 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: SQL IT IS AFTER ALL | Sep 07 19:20 |
| MinceR | it's COBOL, but for RDBMS-es :> | Sep 07 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | SQL HAS A LONG TRADITION OF THE ROYAL CANTERLOT VOICE | Sep 07 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | SQL is technically CaSe-InsEnsItIvE though. | Sep 07 19:22 |
| MinceR | yeah, but not enough people are rebellious enough to write its keywords in lowercase | Sep 07 19:22 |
| mk[] | smalltalk's storage system was impressive, especially for the time | Sep 07 19:22 |
| mk[] | couchbase's sync capability is also interesting, sqlite can do the job too | Sep 07 19:23 |
| *XRevan86 finds that all caps helps distinguish SQL commands from data. | Sep 07 19:23 | |
| XRevan86 | Because no one's doing all caps identifiers anymore. | Sep 07 19:23 |
| *MinceR finds that syntax highlighting works better than shouting in code | Sep 07 19:23 | |
| *XRevan86 doesn't see SQL syntax highlighting in Python strings or in psql/mysql | Sep 07 19:24 | |
| mk[] | if you follow the line of thought that "invested" effort, then put postgres or mysql into the filesystem | Sep 07 19:27 |
| mk[] | or better yet, into an FPGA | Sep 07 19:27 |
| mk[] | may as well go full retard with it | Sep 07 19:27 |
| mk[] | then we can make a more intuitive storage engine on top of it | Sep 07 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: SQL is trying to imitate a natural language, and that kind of helps it blend with identifiers. | Sep 07 19:28 |
| MinceR | this is not an issue in natural languages | Sep 07 19:29 |
| MinceR | why is it an issue in SQL? | Sep 07 19:29 |
| scientes | XRevan86, fortran was all-caps until a few decades back, and recent fortran adds really awesome parallel features | Sep 07 19:31 |
| scientes | DO CONCURRENT | Sep 07 19:32 |
| scientes | however I've never actually used fortran | Sep 07 19:32 |
| scientes | just heard about this in #talos-workstation | Sep 07 19:33 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Because natural languages serve a different purpose. | Sep 07 19:33 |
| mk[] | natural languages should be updated too | Sep 07 19:35 |
| scientes | hehehehe | Sep 07 19:35 |
| mk[] | no country tried for real | Sep 07 19:35 |
| scientes | certainly the orthography of English and Franch | Sep 07 19:35 |
| scientes | mk[], German is phonetic now | Sep 07 19:35 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: Estas vere | Sep 07 19:35 |
| scientes | and XRevan86 can tell you all about Russian reforms | Sep 07 19:35 |
| scientes | mk[], ſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſſ | Sep 07 19:36 |
| scientes | not in german anymore | Sep 07 19:36 |
| scientes | (also most OCR software is too brain-dead to understand it) | Sep 07 19:36 |
| mk[] | that's small scale effort | Sep 07 19:36 |
| MinceR | for some inexplicable reason, a ligature involving it is still in german | Sep 07 19:36 |
| MinceR | and is treated as a letter | Sep 07 19:36 |
| MinceR | and recently they made its uppercase version official | Sep 07 19:36 |
| mk[] | the language has lots of idioms from 200 years ago | Sep 07 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ы | Sep 07 19:36 |
| MinceR | even though there's no uppercase medial s, never was | Sep 07 19:37 |
| scientes | mk[], and old idioms are generally the good ones | Sep 07 19:37 |
| mk[] | some structures go back even more, and have no relevance | Sep 07 19:37 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: FЫ | Sep 07 19:37 |
| scientes | I just used "you can't juice a turnip" today | Sep 07 19:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: ФЫР | Sep 07 19:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 07 19:37 |
| mk[] | not saying it's bad, it's just showing that we don't make effort to update the language | Sep 07 19:37 |
| MinceR | natural languages are updating all the time | Sep 07 19:37 |
| scientes | Also, Those that complain get to pull the water wagon. | Sep 07 19:38 |
| MinceR | the changes tend to be ugly though :> | Sep 07 19:38 |
| MinceR | and the warts rarely get worked out | Sep 07 19:38 |
| scientes | **Upset people get to pull the water wagon. | Sep 07 19:38 |
| MinceR | beatings will continue until morale improves | Sep 07 19:38 |
| mk[] | one nice update would be some vocabulary for describing processes | Sep 07 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Or better "Furious" | Sep 07 19:40 |
| MinceR | and Fast? | Sep 07 19:40 |
| scientes | oh yes, furious is good there | Sep 07 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fast_and_furious#English | Sep 07 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | fast and furious - Wiktionary | Sep 07 19:42 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Rapid and energetic, yes | Sep 07 19:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 07 19:42 |
| MinceR | speedy and enraged | Sep 07 19:43 |
| XRevan86 | quick and angered | Sep 07 19:43 |
| XRevan86 | frantic at high velocity | Sep 07 19:44 |
| scientes | damn, I can't find spanish subtitles for spanish movie | Sep 07 19:45 |
| MinceR | https://www.opensubtitles.org/en/search/subs | Sep 07 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opensubtitles.org | Subtitles - download movie and TV Series subtitles | Sep 07 19:46 | |
| scientes | MinceR, that is where I went | Sep 07 19:47 |
| scientes | they don't subtitles the movie | Sep 07 19:47 |
| scientes | just the opening | Sep 07 19:47 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 07 19:47 |
| scientes | because its the same language, and native speakers dont need subtitles then | Sep 07 19:47 |
| scientes | Diarios de Motocicletes | Sep 07 19:47 |
| MinceR | hearing impaired subtitles do sometimes exist in english for english-language movies | Sep 07 19:48 |
| scientes | *Motocicleta | Sep 07 19:48 |
| MinceR | dunno about spanish | Sep 07 19:48 |
| scientes | they probably do if you pay for the "real" thing | Sep 07 19:48 |
| scientes | its also annoying 2:1 cast onto 4:3 | Sep 07 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You don't know pain | Sep 07 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I have 5:4 | Sep 07 19:50 |
| mk[] | youtube's generated subtitles are pretty damn awful | Sep 07 19:50 |
| mk[] | AI in action :) | Sep 07 19:50 |
| mk[] | and Musk says we need to be worried about it killing us | Sep 07 19:51 |
| MinceR | i'm not worried | Sep 07 19:51 |
| scientes | only because his job depends on such stupid predictions | Sep 07 19:51 |
| MinceR | it's probably for the best if humans are killed off before they can do even more harm | Sep 07 19:52 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: Stephen Hawking also said that. And where is he now, hm? | Sep 07 19:52 |
| MinceR | and an AI could be an improved replacement | Sep 07 19:52 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 07 19:52 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the robots killed him! | Sep 07 19:52 |
| mk[] | hmm, I thought Hawking was a robot | Sep 07 19:52 |
| XRevan86 | That explains why they spared Musk | Sep 07 19:52 |
| XRevan86 | they only deal with traitors? | Sep 07 19:53 |
| MinceR | maybe he was a robot and he merely shed the human meat puppet | Sep 07 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | (no disrespect intended, honestly) | Sep 07 19:53 |
| scientes | The Alan Turing biography movie was actually excellent | Sep 07 19:53 |
| scientes | it included real footage | Sep 07 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | (well, except that this suggestion of his about AI being a danger is mock-worthy) | Sep 07 19:53 |
| mk[] | that meat puppet was shitty anyway | Sep 07 19:53 |
| scientes | and then the actors dressed in identical clothes to the real footage | Sep 07 19:54 |
| scientes | ehhh, Steven Harking biography movie | Sep 07 19:54 |
| mk[] | couldn't AI find a meat puppet without wheels? | Sep 07 19:54 |
| mk[] | and with vocal chords? | Sep 07 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The one with Benedict Lumberjack? | Sep 07 19:54 |
| scientes | the Alan Turing movie was kinda hollywooded up with made-up shit | Sep 07 19:54 |
| mk[] | yeah, Turing became straight (for box office reasons) | Sep 07 19:55 |
| MinceR | maybe their speech synthesis wasn't convincing enough | Sep 07 19:55 |
| scientes | they also made shit up | Sep 07 19:55 |
| mk[] | they should have made the movie where he humps men half the movie | Sep 07 19:55 |
| MinceR | and this was a workaround to that | Sep 07 19:55 |
| mk[] | the other half he just sits in the office and writes things | Sep 07 19:55 |
| MinceR | lol @ lumberjack | Sep 07 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: I'm pretty sure in the film with Benedict Slumberpack he wasn't. | Sep 07 19:55 |
| *scientes thought of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRdur8GLBM | Sep 07 19:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Lumberjack Song - YouTube | Sep 07 19:56 | |
| mk[] | XRevan86: wasn't his love interest a chick? flat-chested, but definitely female | Sep 07 19:56 |
| scientes | mk[], you mean Kiera Knightly | Sep 07 19:56 |
| scientes | or Elizabeth Bennet | Sep 07 19:56 |
| mk[] | what? 2 chicks? | Sep 07 19:57 |
| scientes | mk[], Elizabeth Bennet is her most famous role | Sep 07 19:57 |
| mk[] | I didn't watch the movie | Sep 07 19:57 |
| scientes | Pride and Prejudice | Sep 07 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: They changed the text! | Sep 07 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | oops | Sep 07 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: | Sep 07 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: https://youtu.be/FshU58nI0Ts?t=89 compare | Sep 07 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monty Python - Lumberjack Song - YouTube | Sep 07 19:59 | |
| mk[] | I guess Musk is right, Tesla's autopilot already killed at least a couple of people | Sep 07 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | and https://youtu.be/pfRdur8GLBM?t=97 | Sep 07 20:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Lumberjack Song - YouTube | Sep 07 20:00 | |
| mk[] | but it did it by incompetence, not by intention | Sep 07 20:00 |
| scientes | who cares | Sep 07 20:00 |
| scientes | self-driving cars is about the stupidest idea ever | Sep 07 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | Well, I guess we can settle on that they both were girlies | Sep 07 20:01 |
| scientes | ..since bitcoin | Sep 07 20:01 |
| mk[] | the former scenario is funny, the latter is scary | Sep 07 20:01 |
| *scientes doesn't think people dying is funny | Sep 07 20:01 | |
| mk[] | nah, it's hilarious | Sep 07 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: They should try to put them on rails, for safety. | Sep 07 20:02 |
| mk[] | you can experience a self-driving car now ... if you drink enough :) | Sep 07 20:02 |
| mk[] | why are self driving cars a stupid idea? | Sep 07 20:02 |
| mk[] | you can watch cat videos on the way to work | Sep 07 20:02 |
| MinceR | “Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.” ― Mel Brooks | Sep 07 20:03 |
| scientes | I heard that there was a Russian who did a meticulous study that showed that driving a car is slower than walking, if you consider all the labor that went into the car. | Sep 07 20:05 |
| mk[] | XRevan86: or attach wings to them. planes are seld-driving | Sep 07 20:05 |
| mk[] | scientes: biking is faster than driving if you count in gym, repairs, paying insurance, etc | Sep 07 20:05 |
| scientes | mk[], but they aren't self-landing | Sep 07 20:06 |
| scientes | (unless you only intend to land once) | Sep 07 20:06 |
| scientes | mk[], its faster in cities even without those considerations | Sep 07 20:06 |
| MinceR | if you get hit and killed by a car while you're biking, does that count as getting there quickly? | Sep 07 20:06 |
| MinceR | scientes: false | Sep 07 20:07 |
| scientes | MinceR, certainly is in san francisco | Sep 07 20:07 |
| MinceR | i can walk to work in about 1.5h and drive to work in about 0.5h | Sep 07 20:07 |
| scientes | oh heheheehehe | Sep 07 20:07 |
| mk[] | scientes: self-driving car is even slower than a normal car? what extra effort is there? | Sep 07 20:07 |
| MinceR | of course it would be nice if there was public transport in budapest | Sep 07 20:07 |
| MinceR | but the comrades travel by helicopter or motorcade so it isn't important to them | Sep 07 20:07 |
| scientes | MinceR, I was talking about bicycling being faster in cities | Sep 07 20:07 |
| MinceR | well, bicycling is fast here | Sep 07 20:08 |
| scientes | walking is only faster if you count the expense of the car | Sep 07 20:08 |
| MinceR | it's just extremely dangerous | Sep 07 20:08 |
| scientes | MinceR, its only dangerous because of the cars.... | Sep 07 20:08 |
| MinceR | yes, and the incompetent maniacs who drive most of them | Sep 07 20:08 |
| scientes | public transportation in south america is amazing | Sep 07 20:08 |
| MinceR | though the incompetent maniacs who ride most bikes aren't exactly helping either | Sep 07 20:08 |
| scientes | it is seriously amazing | Sep 07 20:08 |
| MinceR | and it would be nice to have a separate network of bike paths | Sep 07 20:08 |
| MinceR | i could really just bike to work most of the year if we had one | Sep 07 20:09 |
| scientes | like I go to a swimming pool, and when i get out I rarely make it half a block to the bus stop | Sep 07 20:09 |
| scientes | because usually a bus is going by at that very moment, and I hail it down | Sep 07 20:09 |
| MinceR | and they stop? | Sep 07 20:10 |
| scientes | yes | Sep 07 20:10 |
| MinceR | here bus drivers make an effort to leave you behind even at the bus stop | Sep 07 20:10 |
| scientes | i mean, they california roll | Sep 07 20:10 |
| scientes | just enough to get on | Sep 07 20:10 |
| MinceR | and tram drivers do the same | Sep 07 20:10 |
| scientes | they want to get paid you see | Sep 07 20:10 |
| MinceR | probably with perverse glee | Sep 07 20:10 |
| MinceR | ah, that's the trick | Sep 07 20:10 |
| scientes | these private systems are way better, and way cheaper than public systems | Sep 07 20:10 |
| mk[] | having a car in san francisco is mostly good for getting out of san francisco | Sep 07 20:10 |
| MinceR | hungarians tend to want to get paid but aren't really willing to do anything for it | Sep 07 20:10 |
| mk[] | else you can ride those electric scooters | Sep 07 20:11 |
| MinceR | ah, those would be nice too | Sep 07 20:11 |
| MinceR | if there was some safe place to use them and the comrades weren't working on banning them from everywhere | Sep 07 20:11 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_roll | Sep 07 20:11 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 07 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | California roll - Wikipedia | Sep 07 20:11 | |
| mk[] | hungarians should create some ponzi schemes | Sep 07 20:13 |
| scientes | the US empire is a giant ponzi scheme | Sep 07 20:13 |
| MinceR | they have something better, it's called a state | Sep 07 20:13 |
| mk[] | oh yes, and we all bought into it, didn't we? :) | Sep 07 20:14 |
| MinceR | over 50% of your income is taken away and you get approximately jack shit for it | Sep 07 20:14 |
| MinceR | at least in some places it's less expensive and/or the services don't suck so hard | Sep 07 20:14 |
| mk[] | you get roads, subsidized agriculture (corn, soy), subsidized imports | Sep 07 20:15 |
| MinceR | i get really shitty and congested roads | Sep 07 20:15 |
| mk[] | the last one is about to change | Sep 07 20:15 |
| scientes | mk[], subsidized Monsanto | Sep 07 20:15 |
| MinceR | some comrades get handouts for their lands | Sep 07 20:15 |
| MinceR | the dictator gets to have stadia that nobody will ever use built | Sep 07 20:15 |
| MinceR | and a little railway next to his home | Sep 07 20:15 |
| MinceR | and the comrades get overpriced but low quality german cars | Sep 07 20:16 |
| mk[] | sounds interesting. I should visit Hungary on my next trip | Sep 07 20:16 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 07 20:16 |
| mk[] | I already have a plan for Romania, Hungary is a day train trip away? | Sep 07 20:16 |
| MinceR | depends | Sep 07 20:17 |
| MinceR | there are points of romania where hungary is a step away | Sep 07 20:17 |
| mk[] | why is he called a dictator? I thought it was just Junker's joke | Sep 07 20:18 |
| MinceR | dunno if there's a chicken wire fence on it though | Sep 07 20:18 |
| MinceR | because he removed most if not all prerequisites for having a democracy in hungary | Sep 07 20:18 |
| mk[] | restore monarchy | Sep 07 20:18 |
| MinceR | no thank you | Sep 07 20:18 |
| scientes | why do people like formal democracy so much? | Sep 07 20:18 |
| scientes | it always results in a kleptocracy | Sep 07 20:19 |
| MinceR | because people are too stupid to live in an anarchistic society | Sep 07 20:19 |
| scientes | the public transportation in south america is very democratic | Sep 07 20:19 |
| scientes | so much so that they spend gazillions trying to get rid of it with far more expensive and shitty public transportation | Sep 07 20:19 |
| MinceR | also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1C6kqXT9XU | Sep 07 20:19 |
| scientes | in Panama City and Lima | Sep 07 20:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-loki avengers kneel speech - YouTube | Sep 07 20:19 | |
| mk[] | scientes: there's a lot of propaganda for democracy. it always assumes people know how to choose, and want to choose | Sep 07 20:20 |
| scientes | mk[], and have time | Sep 07 20:20 |
| scientes | those most qualified just ignore the bullshit, and they are smart to do so | Sep 07 20:20 |
| scientes | its not like they have any choice anyways | Sep 07 20:20 |
| mk[] | a king is much cooler than a bunch of corporate puppets | Sep 07 20:21 |
| MinceR | yeah, if you imagine yourself to be the king | Sep 07 20:21 |
| MinceR | apparently monarchists suffer from poor imaginations | Sep 07 20:21 |
| mk[] | no, any king | Sep 07 20:21 |
| mk[] | I wouldn't want that job | Sep 07 20:21 |
| MinceR | oh, you want to lie _under_ the sole of the boot | Sep 07 20:21 |
| MinceR | that's a mindset wholly alien to me | Sep 07 20:22 |
| mk[] | Bhutan is a monarchy. free education, free healthcare, free electricity | Sep 07 20:22 |
| MinceR | do you live in Bhutan? | Sep 07 20:22 |
| scientes | visited Utopia once | Sep 07 20:22 |
| mk[] | no, but I'll visit it next year if I have the time | Sep 07 20:22 |
| MinceR | why not? | Sep 07 20:22 |
| mk[] | immigration rules | Sep 07 20:22 |
| MinceR | if only there was nobody to tell you you don't get to live there :> | Sep 07 20:23 |
| mk[] | for the most part, monarcy vs democracy won't make much difference | Sep 07 20:23 |
| MinceR | but only because most implementations of democracy are so deeply flawed they might as well be monarchy | Sep 07 20:24 |
| MinceR | or ownership by corporations | Sep 07 20:24 |
| mk[] | MinceR: how is the dictator affecting your life? | Sep 07 20:24 |
| MinceR | he's limiting my access to information, he's threatening my right to property | Sep 07 20:24 |
| MinceR | he's greatly reducing the prosperity of the economy, and thus, my wealth | Sep 07 20:24 |
| mk[] | MinceR: yes, precisely the point. but a king sounds cooler | Sep 07 20:25 |
| MinceR | he has turned most of the media into worthless crap | Sep 07 20:25 |
| MinceR | he has ended rule of law, which greatly limits my options for protecting my interests | Sep 07 20:25 |
| mk[] | how did the right to property change? | Sep 07 20:25 |
| mk[] | no more underage sex slaves? :) | Sep 07 20:26 |
| MinceR | by the comrades deciding they get to take anything they like | Sep 07 20:26 |
| MinceR | it's a questionable idea for me to try to acquire and keep property in the country, since his goons can take it any day from me | Sep 07 20:26 |
| MinceR | and i don't have an army to protect my property | Sep 07 20:26 |
| mk[] | they'd take away your house or apartment? | Sep 07 20:26 |
| mk[] | your farm? | Sep 07 20:26 |
| MinceR | yes | Sep 07 20:26 |
| MinceR | they'd also take my car away | Sep 07 20:27 |
| mk[] | what for? | Sep 07 20:27 |
| MinceR | though at least i can drive that out of this hellhole, given advance warning | Sep 07 20:27 |
| MinceR | it doesn't matter what for | Sep 07 20:27 |
| mk[] | how many houses have been taken away so far? | Sep 07 20:27 |
| MinceR | oh, and this also affects business that are not closely related to me -- the fact that they claim random markets and businesses for their cronies and themselves limits the availability of products and services to me | Sep 07 20:27 |
| MinceR | and their quality | Sep 07 20:27 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure | Sep 07 20:28 |
| MinceR | it's usually not even done in the open yet | Sep 07 20:28 |
| mk[] | many countries practice limiting access to information. china's the most successful example | Sep 07 20:28 |
| MinceR | it's just that at some point some property finds its way into some front man's hands | Sep 07 20:28 |
| MinceR | yeah, red china is a shithole as well | Sep 07 20:29 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't want to live there either | Sep 07 20:29 |
| MinceR | but i don't think there are many people who pretend that red china isn't a dictatorship | Sep 07 20:29 |
| mk[] | they have better roads :) | Sep 07 20:29 |
| MinceR | they have shitty internet access | Sep 07 20:29 |
| MinceR | and they get beaten by the police for nothing | Sep 07 20:29 |
| mk[] | the chinese hivemind doesn't care about it being a dictatorship | Sep 07 20:29 |
| mk[] | it's just another mindset that you wont' understand | Sep 07 20:30 |
| MinceR | there's no accounting for other people's stupidity | Sep 07 20:30 |
| MinceR | besides, how would you know | Sep 07 20:30 |
| MinceR | dissenters are silenced and killed | Sep 07 20:30 |
| mk[] | I'm in Shenzhen right now | Sep 07 20:30 |
| MinceR | sucks to be you | Sep 07 20:31 |
| mk[] | doesn't feel like a dictatorship, but I'm a foreigner | Sep 07 20:31 |
| MinceR | then maybe you'll like russia and hungary too | Sep 07 20:31 |
| mk[] | russia isn't too bad, moscow is okay | Sep 07 20:31 |
| MinceR | also, good thing i didn't accidentally paste anything here that makes the Great Firewall terminate your IRC connection... | Sep 07 20:32 |
| mk[] | you're greatly overestimating its capabilities :) | Sep 07 20:32 |
| *XRevan86 zoned out | Sep 07 20:32 | |
| MinceR | afaik it has happened to many people already | Sep 07 20:33 |
| MinceR | to such an extent that it became a method of dealing with trolls from red china in some places | Sep 07 20:33 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: Moscow is okay in what? | Sep 07 20:33 |
| mk[] | XRevan86: infrastructure is okay | Sep 07 20:34 |
| *scientes was wondering the same thing | Sep 07 20:34 | |
| MinceR | like this (i hope this doesn't disconnect you) >> https://imgur.com/a/2Wz018n | Sep 07 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The magic of the Internet | Sep 07 20:34 | |
| mk[] | real estate and food prices are lower compared to berlin and amsterdam | Sep 07 20:34 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: Just don't look into how much is spent on it | Sep 07 20:34 |
| mk[] | or major cities in the US | Sep 07 20:34 |
| XRevan86 | I wouldn't be surprised if Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in the world in terms of budget. | Sep 07 20:35 |
| MinceR | though this one seems to be limited to the victim _sending_ a forbidden word | Sep 07 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | and most of it goes into "renovation" | Sep 07 20:35 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: especially if you buy estate and putler's friends take it away from you :> | Sep 07 20:35 |
| mk[] | XRevan86: of course, it depends on your lifestyle, specific things you're looking for | Sep 07 20:35 |
| *XRevan86 focuses on infrastucture here. | Sep 07 20:35 | |
| MinceR | better example >> https://i.redd.it/h2qtr1956fn21.jpg | Sep 07 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | mk[]: No, it literally takes billions of dollars. | Sep 07 20:36 |
| scientes | XRevan86, you could probably live there for cheaper than rent in New York or San Francisco | Sep 07 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | *in terms of budget* | Sep 07 20:36 |
| scientes | (despite both of those cities having tons of drugged-out drifters) | Sep 07 20:36 |
| scientes | I realized today that I never once paid for rent in the US | Sep 07 20:37 |
| MinceR | i never paid for rent in hungary either | Sep 07 20:37 |
| mk[] | san francisco is $3K/month for 1 bedroom, moscow is $700 depending on the exchange rate | Sep 07 20:38 |
| mk[] | berlin shouldn't be counted, since it's got weird rent control | Sep 07 20:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 07 20:38 |
| mk[] | NYC depends on the borough | Sep 07 20:39 |
| scientes | $700! | Sep 07 20:39 |
| scientes | holy moley | Sep 07 20:40 |
| scientes | and if you don't pay in winter you freeze to death? | Sep 07 20:41 |
| scientes | I've heard the hostels are giant drinking parties 24/7 | Sep 07 20:41 |
| mk[] | likely so | Sep 07 20:43 |
| mk[] | hostel crowd usually doesn't have much money though | Sep 07 20:43 |
| MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/24/e89f8f5621da97cc.mp4 | Sep 07 20:45 |
| mk[] | MinceR: why don't you move out of the country? you can live and work anywhere in the EU | Sep 07 20:46 |
| MinceR | i could, but it wouldn't be much of a solution | Sep 07 20:47 |
| mk[] | scientes: how did you avoid paying rent in the US? squatting? :) | Sep 07 20:47 |
| MinceR | especially since part of my taxes would still be used to fund orban | Sep 07 20:47 |
| MinceR | and the EPP and the ACRE are working to turn the rest of the EU into isolated shitholes like hungary | Sep 07 20:48 |
| MinceR | at least until putin's forces march in | Sep 07 20:48 |
| scientes | mk[], pretty much everything, but mostly couch surfing and a little camping | Sep 07 20:48 |
| MinceR | (if they can afford to, that is) | Sep 07 20:48 |
| mk[] | MinceR: foreign income is taxed? | Sep 07 20:49 |
| MinceR | income is taxed in all states i'm aware of | Sep 07 20:50 |
| MinceR | and EU members and some associated non-EU members contribute to funds that are paid to other EU member states | Sep 07 20:50 |
| mk[] | scientes: you missed out on the $60 credit score check, and paying security deposit that never gets returned :) | Sep 07 20:50 |
| MinceR | afaik most of the enrichment of orban's front man meszaros is attributed to diverting EU handouts | Sep 07 20:51 |
| scientes | Í've still already experienced AirBNB's absolute lies | Sep 07 20:51 |
| scientes | both to hosts and tenents | Sep 07 20:51 |
| scientes | their "policies" are...whenever we feel like it | Sep 07 20:51 |
| scientes | like they let hosts cancel reservations and then relist the same dates and same property for more money | Sep 07 20:52 |
| scientes | and I know some hosts that were completely unable to get the advertised referral kick-back | Sep 07 20:53 |
| mk[] | MinceR: so not running away? I respect that :) | Sep 07 20:53 |
| scientes | for their referral | Sep 07 20:53 |
| scientes | also, they hold onto the money for months before paying hosts | Sep 07 20:53 |
| mk[] | hotels are more consistent, but generally more expensive | Sep 07 20:53 |
| scientes | in south america they are the same price | Sep 07 20:54 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Source Code Adventure Part 2: Debian, Source DVDs, and Professional Repositories http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127856 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d2fb964b-0621-4a01-8d37-903b04d6ca2b] | Sep 07 20:54 | |
| MinceR | mk[]: i'm planning on running away, but i need to do research and accumulate funds before i can do so | Sep 07 20:54 |
| scientes | I've had really good experiences with booking.com | Sep 07 20:54 |
| scientes | I mean, they understand what their job is | Sep 07 20:55 |
| scientes | instead of just trying to corner the market which is all AirBNB cares about | Sep 07 20:55 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Hello, gNewSense GNU/Linux Project is Alive Again in 2019! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127857 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7546dd93-078c-4ce6-8bdc-73e16d68ef74] | Sep 07 20:55 | |
| mk[] | gotta grow the bubble for the IPO | Sep 07 20:55 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127858 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0df7a0c9-b0e1-4a8d-aa29-d97067365145] | Sep 07 20:56 | |
| scientes | its a worthless company too | Sep 07 20:56 |
| mk[] | MinceR: orban probably pays well, work for him to accumulate funds quicker :) | Sep 07 20:56 |
| MinceR | no thank you | Sep 07 20:56 |
| MinceR | i'll need my backbone | Sep 07 20:56 |
| scientes | when they refuse to do their job, they motivate people to just book one day, and then work out the agreement directly with the land-lord | Sep 07 20:57 |
| mk[] | MinceR: become one of the goons, and take away someone's house. sounds fun | Sep 07 20:58 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian 9 and Debian 10 Updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/127859 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4b77239e-1229-4c29-bbdc-45c9e8bd047b] | Sep 07 20:58 | |
| MinceR | not really | Sep 07 20:58 |
| MinceR | if i could kill them and take their place, that would be more fun | Sep 07 20:58 |
| MinceR | but even that comes with issues | Sep 07 20:58 |
| scientes | from the guy who says death is funny | Sep 07 20:58 |
| MinceR | like having to watch for people trying to kill you and take your place 24/7 | Sep 07 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not funny. It's just something that is. | Sep 07 21:00 |
| mk[] | scientes: what's there to see in south america. I only know machu picchu | Sep 07 21:00 |
| XRevan86 | When did this conf turn evil? | Sep 07 21:00 |
| MinceR | /etc/evil.conf | Sep 07 21:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Considering how my life is going, it would almost be a relief at this point, to be honest. | Sep 07 21:01 |
| scientes | mk[], you can look in the mirror here | Sep 07 21:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that doesn't come from a depressed or psychotic state. I'm just saying how it is. | Sep 07 21:01 |
| MinceR | death can be a relief, but it can also be horribly painful | Sep 07 21:01 |
| mk[] | you guys have mirrors? :) | Sep 07 21:01 |
| mk[] | scientes: | Sep 07 21:01 |
| MinceR | and someone trying to kill you can fail and cause you a lot of pain and suffering and mutilation | Sep 07 21:01 |
| MinceR | and that's anything but a relief | Sep 07 21:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Psychiatrists are really good at taking legitimate grievances that people have with their life, their family, their job, the society they live in, and labeling them with a disease. | Sep 07 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | * disorder | Sep 07 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you end up "hospitalized" a few times, you'll quickly learn to say that everything is fine. | Sep 07 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That might even be the point. | Sep 07 21:02 |
| *XRevan86 understands the word "disease" as something infectious | Sep 07 21:02 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Disease isn't necessarily infectious. | Sep 07 21:03 |
| scientes | XRevan86, that isn't true | Sep 07 21:03 |
| mk[] | DaemonFC[m]: no one came back from the other side, it must be pretty good | Sep 07 21:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My circumstances have been....reduced. | Sep 07 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | oh, that's just me, okay %) | Sep 07 21:04 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], in Saudi Arabia you are hospitalized if you say you don't believe in god | Sep 07 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seriously? | Sep 07 21:04 |
| scientes | its just anyone who threatens society | Sep 07 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, so they've stopped executing? | Sep 07 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | Credit's where credit's due | Sep 07 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wikipedia says it's difficult to measure, but that if you ask off the record, roughly the same percentage as in any other country. | Sep 07 21:06 |
| scientes | they have to drug everybody up so they don't realize that they have nothing to look forward to | Sep 07 21:06 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry | Sep 07 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Political abuse of psychiatry - Wikipedia | Sep 07 21:06 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I guess it's like LGBT. | Sep 07 21:06 |
| XRevan86 | "punitive psychiatry" | Sep 07 21:06 |
| scientes | and don't realize that all these incompatible groups have been lumped together | Sep 07 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Officially, nobody is gay in Iran if they know what's good for them. | Sep 07 21:06 |
| scientes | that will never be able to co-exist | Sep 07 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: Yes, that's what I was sentenced to by the court. | Sep 07 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'll tell them it's working and go along with it while I have to. | Sep 07 21:07 |
| scientes | the only way out of a psyciatric hospital is to admit that you have a problem | Sep 07 21:07 |
| scientes | its a control thing | Sep 07 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: They've actually labelled you too? | Sep 07 21:07 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/09/01/727928011a465cc8.jpg | Sep 07 21:07 |
| scientes | XRevan86, they label everyone | Sep 07 21:07 |
| scientes | and you meet these people and they will label famous figures | Sep 07 21:08 |
| scientes | without thinking twice about it | Sep 07 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh yeah, they found out I had bipolar disorder and worked it into my probation that I have to see my psychiatrist and take my meds, which is what I proved I was doing already in the first place. | Sep 07 21:08 |
| scientes | its libel, but they don't give a shit | Sep 07 21:08 |
| mk[] | scientes: free food and rent, books, gym. why would you want to get out? :) | Sep 07 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's literally a crime for me to not go to the psychiatrist now. | Sep 07 21:08 |
| MinceR | ah, the land of the free. | Sep 07 21:08 |
| scientes | that's the US and Europe these days | Sep 07 21:08 |
| scientes | bunch of drugged-up people wandering around | Sep 07 21:09 |
| scientes | they drug up everyone these days | Sep 07 21:09 |
| mk[] | not bad if they use more interesting drugs | Sep 07 21:09 |
| scientes | they can also use it to suspend all judicial oversight | Sep 07 21:09 |
| mk[] | DaemonFC[m]: lithium? | Sep 07 21:09 |
| scientes | well, judicial oversight never made much sense anyways, besides habeus corpus | Sep 07 21:10 |
| scientes | mk[], they don't give that out too much anymore cause its too expensive to test blood levels | Sep 07 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Depakote and Seroquel | Sep 07 21:10 |
| scientes | mk[], and because they know well these people don't have anything wrong with them | Sep 07 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was on Lithium, but it gave me seizures. | Sep 07 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Indiana, the psychiatrists are even more fucked than they are in Illinois. | Sep 07 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You hardly ever see them and they're all foreigners who are fresh off the boat. | Sep 07 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you're on any kind of public insurance, or no insurance, that's who you are allowed to see. | Sep 07 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had them turn me over to a collection agency, and when I google earth'd the collection agency, it turned out to be someone's house in a corn field. | Sep 07 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fucking Twilight Zone bullshit, I swear to god. | Sep 07 21:12 |
| mk[] | I've met a bipolar who functioned perfectly normal on lithium | Sep 07 21:13 |
| mk[] | didn't know it could cause seizures | Sep 07 21:13 |
| scientes | mk[], bipolor is what they label people that are perfectly fine, because it is basically the only mental illness that is hard to refute exists | Sep 07 21:14 |
| mk[] | oh yeah, most of those people are perfectly fine | Sep 07 21:15 |
| mk[] | but you can't make money from perfectly fine people :) | Sep 07 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: What symptomes do you have? | Sep 07 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | if that's not too harsh a topic | Sep 07 21:18 |
| *XRevan86 has no idea what bipolar disorder even means. | Sep 07 21:18 | |
| mk[] | mood swings and manic epsides | Sep 07 21:18 |
| *XRevan86 somehow suspects it's not the magical bullcrap that is sold in film. | Sep 07 21:18 | |
| mk[] | episodes | Sep 07 21:19 |
| scientes | manic episodes is not effective hoewever | Sep 07 21:19 |
| scientes | because "psyciatrists" will make anything up to control other people | Sep 07 21:19 |
| scientes | there actually is an easier way | Sep 07 21:19 |
| scientes | actual manic-depressive people will find cocaine boring | Sep 07 21:19 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the old term is manic-depressive | Sep 07 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom says that the situation in Huntington, Indiana is getting so bad that the local employers advertise "no drug test" now to find people to hire. | Sep 07 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told her, "Why don't they just keep drug testing and pay $12 an hour instead of $9? They'll get better people." | Sep 07 21:20 |
| XRevan86 | scientes, mk[]: Can being depressively irritated from IRL circumstances be diagnosed as such? | Sep 07 21:20 |
| scientes | the tell-tale sign of drug addict employeers was #1 same-day pay, and #2 being robbed and treated like shit by the employeement agency | Sep 07 21:21 |
| MinceR | because they'll do anything to get away with paying less | Sep 07 21:21 |
| MinceR | just like in hungary | Sep 07 21:21 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the only way to know manic-depressive is the manic episodes | Sep 07 21:21 |
| MinceR | they'll waste money on pointless trendy shit, as long as it's not paid to the workers, it's fine | Sep 07 21:21 |
| scientes | and they do not find cocaine interesting, because it is so much less than a manic episode | Sep 07 21:21 |
| MinceR | and you won't get raises practically ever, so you have to switch jobs to get raises | Sep 07 21:22 |
| mk[] | XRevan86: better consult DSM-V | Sep 07 21:22 |
| MinceR | and then they wonder why they're spending so much on recruiting and training | Sep 07 21:22 |
| scientes | mk[], that is the supidest book ever written | Sep 07 21:22 |
| scientes | and you are not going to learn anything about manic-depressive in it | Sep 07 21:23 |
| scientes | anyways, it isn't very common | Sep 07 21:23 |
| scientes | its just the label they use as an excuse to drug everyone up | Sep 07 21:23 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania#Signs_and_symptoms | Sep 07 21:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mania - Wikipedia | Sep 07 21:23 | |
| XRevan86 | > A manic episode is defined in the American Psychiatric Association's diagnostic manual as a "distinct period of abnormally and persistently elevated, expansive, or irritable mood and abnormally and persistently increased activity or energy, lasting at least 1 week and present most of the day, nearly every day (or any duration if hospitalization is necessary)," where the mood is not caused by drugs/m | Sep 07 21:24 |
| XRevan86 | edication or a medical illness (e.g., hyperthyroidism), and (a) is causing obvious difficulties at work or in social relationships and activities, or (b) requires admission to hospital to protect the person or others, or (c) the person is suffering psychosis. | Sep 07 21:24 |
| scientes | nothing there actually says anything xra | Sep 07 21:24 |
| scientes | XRevan86, | Sep 07 21:24 |
| mk[] | DaemonFC[m]: no drug tests on the west coast, and it's warmer | Sep 07 21:24 |
| scientes | hmm, I can't find *anything* remotely related to the disease on the web | Sep 07 21:25 |
| scientes | but I have read some books by people that had it | Sep 07 21:25 |
| scientes | and there are historical accounts | Sep 07 21:25 |
| scientes | of nobility and such | Sep 07 21:25 |
| scientes | Facebook actually has enough data to spot it | Sep 07 21:26 |
| scientes | or at least market to those that are going into mania | Sep 07 21:26 |
| scientes | but that has nothing to do with the "profession" of drugging the entire population up | Sep 07 21:26 |
| scientes | those people don't give a shit about the actual thing | Sep 07 21:26 |
| scientes | the bankers actually love it | Sep 07 21:26 |
| scientes | cause manic people spend a shit-load of money on cheap shit (expensive price) really fast | Sep 07 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Indeed, after reading bullet points I'm still unsure how to tell if someone has it or is just generally an energetic person | Sep 07 21:27 |
| MinceR | apple fanboys? | Sep 07 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Why? Impulsiveness? | Sep 07 21:28 |
| mk[] | if you don't fit the template, we'll pharmacologically adjust you | Sep 07 21:28 |
| scientes | I only was convinced by an autobiography I read | Sep 07 21:28 |
| scientes | but I don't think its the right label | Sep 07 21:29 |
| scientes | so many people have that label now the real patients need a new label | Sep 07 21:29 |
| scientes | and they aren't "patients" either | Sep 07 21:30 |
| scientes | why do you have to be patient to get medical care? | Sep 07 21:30 |
| scientes | hospitals kill so many people these days, most people are better off staying away from them | Sep 07 21:30 |
| MinceR | most people are healthy? :> | Sep 07 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | > from Latin patiens, present participle of pati (“to suffer, endure”) | Sep 07 21:31 |
| scientes | and stepping foot in there is apparently grounds for stealing your house too | Sep 07 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Don't clash the meanings, or else the word will suffer the same fate "invalìd" in English has %) | Sep 07 21:32 |
| scientes | .ahh yes | Sep 07 21:32 |
| MinceR | doesn't depend on what he does alone :> | Sep 07 21:32 |
| scientes | invalids are not invalid | Sep 07 21:32 |
| scientes | hehe | Sep 07 21:32 |
| scientes | I mean you can't even give birth in the US anymore without them trying to steal your house | Sep 07 21:33 |
| scientes | and they won't give you a birth certificate unless you give them your name and sign the indentured servatude form | Sep 07 21:33 |
| MinceR | what indentured servitude form? | Sep 07 21:34 |
| scientes | birth is a racket in the US | Sep 07 21:34 |
| scientes | it costs like 10X what it does in other countries | Sep 07 21:35 |
| scientes | and there is a higher chance of contracting killer bacteria while giving birth too | Sep 07 21:35 |
| MinceR | it should cost more elsewhere too | Sep 07 21:35 |
| MinceR | people are breeding like bacteria and are killing the planet | Sep 07 21:35 |
| MinceR | and then the "smart" people pipe up with suggestions that we should live like ascetics so we can afford to blanket the planet in an even thicker shell of bodies | Sep 07 21:36 |
| MinceR | even though they can't prevent people from being more miserable due to increased numbers and population density | Sep 07 21:36 |
| scientes | what is "more miserable" | Sep 07 21:37 |
| scientes | are those fat fucks in the McDonalds drive-through less miserable than a Bolivian peasent farmer? | Sep 07 21:38 |
| MinceR | enduring more stress due to having their personal space violated and competing more for resources with other people | Sep 07 21:38 |
| MinceR | not sure | Sep 07 21:38 |
| MinceR | but they would certainly be more miserable if there were more of them | Sep 07 21:38 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If you ever become president of the world, consider allowing people to breed if they move with their kids to Siberia. | Sep 07 21:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 07 21:39 |
| scientes | XRevan86, how cold does it get in St Petersberg in the winter? | Sep 07 21:39 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: hmm… | Sep 07 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: around -10°C on average? | Sep 07 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | Thanks, global warming | Sep 07 21:41 |
| XRevan86 | well, and urban areas being warmer, too. | Sep 07 21:41 |
| scientes | this says that Russia has the same problem of always heating way to hot and cooling way too cool http://www.saint-petersburg.com/weather/winter/ | Sep 07 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.saint-petersburg.com | Winter: Weather and events guide in St. Petersburg, Russia. | Sep 07 21:42 | |
| *scientes likes thermal underwear as it isn't as noisy as ski-pants | Sep 07 21:42 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's dog-eat-dog out there. | Sep 07 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What can I say? | Sep 07 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John's being a fucking moron by refusing to sign some forms so I can voluntarily surrender my car. He's making things worse for himself, but oh well. | Sep 07 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's refusing to sign the forms because that's what I want and he thinks he's going to get one over on me if Kia adds a couple grand of collection fees to what he owes them. | Sep 07 21:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: nice photo | Sep 07 21:46 |
| scientes | this shit is all against Jesus | Sep 07 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | I would've used this one: http://asergeev.com/pictures/archives/2013/1151/jpeg/04.jpg | Sep 07 21:47 |
| scientes | its usery | Sep 07 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | wonderfully atmospheric, I think | Sep 07 21:47 |
| scientes | the other one is better | Sep 07 21:48 |
| scientes | cool to see there are trollies in St Petersberg however | Sep 07 21:48 |
| MinceR | figs not fruiting all year is also against jesus, so it isn't saying much | Sep 07 21:48 |
| scientes | MinceR, are you taking his parables literally like a damn protestant | Sep 07 21:48 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 07 21:48 |
| MinceR | if i cared, i could invent new meanings for all of it | Sep 07 21:49 |
| MinceR | but i don't | Sep 07 21:49 |
| MinceR | so i don't. | Sep 07 21:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't see a problem with thermal underwear | Sep 07 21:49 |
| scientes | yeah but is inside always at 20 degress even in winter? | Sep 07 21:50 |
| scientes | or higher | Sep 07 21:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: In big public buildings like universities or schools – nah | Sep 07 21:50 |
| scientes | cause it really should be more like 16 | Sep 07 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | it's 20°C right now for me | Sep 07 21:52 |
| mk[] | scientes: drink some vodka, and you'll get used to the long underwear | Sep 07 21:52 |
| *scientes wants to find real wool underwear | Sep 07 21:53 | |
| scientes | well I guess its spring now, but I've been here in the winter | Sep 07 21:53 |
| *XRevan86 looks at the calendar | Sep 07 21:53 | |
| XRevan86 | I'm pretty sure it's autumn :D | Sep 07 21:53 |
| scientes | and its hilarious how peruvians will dress up in warm clothes when its like 16 outside | Sep 07 21:53 |
| scientes | XRevan86, southern hemisphere | Sep 07 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | I guess it's spring in Australia | Sep 07 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: ah… | Sep 07 21:54 |
| mk[] | australia never gets cold enough for 4 seasons | Sep 07 21:54 |
| mk[] | it only has 2 | Sep 07 21:54 |
| MinceR | not even Tasmania? | Sep 07 21:54 |
| scientes | they will also insist that I am not wearing enough clothes when its like 16 outside | Sep 07 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | I just use a simple separation with 3 months each. | Sep 07 21:54 |
| scientes | mk[], yeah I felt that way in San Francisco | Sep 07 21:55 |
| scientes | and here too | Sep 07 21:55 |
| scientes | The soviet Brothers Karamazov has the best depiction of the seasons | Sep 07 21:55 |
| mk[] | MinceR: stays above 0C all year around. Average low is 5C for July | Sep 07 21:56 |
| MinceR | wikipedia says it has 4 distinct seaons | Sep 07 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: This is how winter's usually like for me: https://irecommend.ru/sites/default/files/imagecache/copyright1/user-images/350442/QbBthCpF2wkTYc7hdxwaog.JPG | Sep 07 21:57 |
| scientes | that picture is above zero | Sep 07 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | slightly | Sep 07 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | Yes, I think I was too optimistic with my -10° estimation | Sep 07 21:58 |
| scientes | in Abakan it gets to -40c | Sep 07 21:58 |
| scientes | *-40 | Sep 07 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | although it is colder farther from the urban centre | Sep 07 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, winters in St. Petersburg are usually not that impressive. | Sep 07 21:59 |
| mk[] | MinceR: I wouldn't call it a winter if it's not below freezing, and there's no snowfall | Sep 07 21:59 |
| scientes | didn't the sea use to melt there? | Sep 07 21:59 |
| scientes | *freeze | Sep 07 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | especially in the last few years | Sep 07 22:00 |
| MinceR | mk[]: in that case, there aren't many winters here lately | Sep 07 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It depends on luck, I guess. | Sep 07 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's usually freezed over, yes. It's not consistently above zero enough to melt it all back. | Sep 07 22:01 |
| scientes | I think 2011 had like a week of cold north-east wind where I'm from, but otherwise incredibly boring since 1997 | Sep 07 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Does anyone know a cheaper VPN than Private Internet Access that doesn't require proprietary software, no logs, good encryption, and decent speed? | Sep 07 22:01 |
| scientes | last year with any snow | Sep 07 22:01 |
| scientes | it was lots of fun, because the wind would collect it into piles | Sep 07 22:02 |
| mk[] | DaemonFC[m]: check out protonVPN | Sep 07 22:02 |
| mk[] | DaemonFC[m]: set up your own if you have the time | Sep 07 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: https://wunderground.com/history/monthly/ru/saint-petersburg/ULLI/date/2019-2 this February | Sep 07 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wunderground.com | Saint Petersburg, Russia History | Weather Underground | Sep 07 22:03 | |
| XRevan86 | also check 2018-12 and 2019-1 of course | Sep 07 22:04 |
| scientes | oh god, it is showing me f for friggen sake | Sep 07 22:04 |
| XRevan86 | there's a switch at the top right corner | Sep 07 22:04 |
| mk[] | what's wronge with F? | Sep 07 22:05 |
| mk[] | :) | Sep 07 22:05 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't know how to F | Sep 07 22:05 | |
| scientes | mk[], I'm from the US, but I've already switched | Sep 07 22:05 |
| mk[] | Fahrenheit | Sep 07 22:05 |
| mk[] | it's easy. 0C is 32F, 50F is 10C | Sep 07 22:06 |
| scientes | -40 is -40 | Sep 07 22:06 |
| mk[] | 100F is very hot | Sep 07 22:06 |
| scientes | mk[], 100c is much hotter :) | Sep 07 22:06 |
| mk[] | 0F is quite cold | Sep 07 22:06 |
| mk[] | quite good for weather actually | Sep 07 22:07 |
| scientes | 100f was actually suppose to be body temperature | Sep 07 22:07 |
| scientes | that went really well...... | Sep 07 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: At what body part? | Sep 07 22:07 |
| mk[] | triple point of something | Sep 07 22:07 |
| scientes | and 0f was the coldest Fahrenheit could get salt water in ice | Sep 07 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | armpits? | Sep 07 22:07 |
| scientes | XRevan86, mouth | Sep 07 22:07 |
| scientes | he screwed up | Sep 07 22:08 |
| scientes | I mean you have to give Fahrenheit the credit for making the first sane system | Sep 07 22:08 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 07 22:09 |
| scientes | but Celsius is much saner | Sep 07 22:09 |
| scientes | MinceR, as in figuring out the logarithmic properties of heat | Sep 07 22:09 |
| scientes | or just a way of measuring it | Sep 07 22:09 |
| MinceR | 07 230511 < mk[]> what's wronge with F? | Sep 07 22:11 |
| MinceR | extremely arbitrary 0 and 100 points | Sep 07 22:11 |
| MinceR | but most systems fail at getting absolute 0 right anyway | Sep 07 22:11 |
| scientes | actually every point on the f scale is arbitrary | Sep 07 22:11 |
| scientes | only the scale is defined | Sep 07 22:11 |
| scientes | and it was once redefined | Sep 07 22:12 |
| MinceR | those are derived from those two | Sep 07 22:12 |
| scientes | the only credit to F is that he was first | Sep 07 22:12 |
| scientes | "A pioneer of exact thermometry," | Sep 07 22:12 |
| scientes | as I said | Sep 07 22:12 |
| scientes | he was the first to figure out the nature of heat and how to measure it | Sep 07 22:12 |
| scientes | inventing the mercury thermometer | Sep 07 22:13 |
| mk[] | MinceR: it's okay if you only use it for weather, recipes, and body temperature | Sep 07 22:13 |
| scientes | mk[], its still stupid | Sep 07 22:13 |
| scientes | admit it | Sep 07 22:13 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't see a reason to learn it to use it for weather, recipes or body temperature. | Sep 07 22:13 | |
| scientes | also, thank god we never adopted decimal time | Sep 07 22:13 |
| mk[] | it is. no doubt | Sep 07 22:13 |
| MinceR | scientes: why? | Sep 07 22:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It was so bad it was doomed. | Sep 07 22:14 |
| XRevan86 | A decimal second is so flipping short. | Sep 07 22:14 |
| MinceR | which is nice | Sep 07 22:15 |
| scientes | woah, celcius was originally backwards | Sep 07 22:15 |
| scientes | 0 was boiling and 100 was freezing | Sep 07 22:15 |
| MinceR | Delisle still is | Sep 07 22:16 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/LgrXd0NM2y8 | Sep 07 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What the Fahrenheit?! - YouTube | Sep 07 22:16 | |
| mk[] | XRevan86: if your weather reports, recipes, and thermometers are in celcius, then there's no reason | Sep 07 22:17 |
| MinceR | pity they're not in Kelvin | Sep 07 22:17 |
| scientes | mk[], nor is there a reason for you to be different | Sep 07 22:17 |
| scientes | MinceR, but C is now defined by Kelvin | Sep 07 22:17 |
| MinceR | Kelvin has zero in the right place | Sep 07 22:18 |
| scientes | 0c is EXACTLY 273.15 K | Sep 07 22:18 |
| MinceR | and thus removes the need for that pesky degree symbol | Sep 07 22:18 |
| scientes | MinceR, uhhhh, you still need a unit | Sep 07 22:19 |
| mk[] | my digital thermometer dsiplays F by default, I have to press the mode button to switch to C | Sep 07 22:19 |
| MinceR | yes, but it won't be a degree, it will be a real unit | Sep 07 22:19 |
| mk[] | but glass ones are in celcius | Sep 07 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | In the video it is said that 100F being body temperature is a myth | Sep 07 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | and also: https://youtu.be/rjht4oAByCI | Sep 07 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Celsius Didn't Invent Celsius - YouTube | Sep 07 22:22 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, oh that was cool | Sep 07 22:22 |
| scientes | in aeronomics I used mmHg for pressure | Sep 07 22:23 |
| scientes | *inHg | Sep 07 22:23 |
| scientes | but 1/10000 ratio with Hg is super interesting | Sep 07 22:24 |
| mk[] | torr? | Sep 07 22:26 |
| mk[] | there's like 5 pressure scales and units | Sep 07 22:27 |
| mk[] | even more confusing than temperatures | Sep 07 22:27 |
| scientes | the only one that I never have to look up is atm | Sep 07 22:27 |
| scientes | but that one isn't very useful | Sep 07 22:27 |
| scientes | like gees | Sep 07 22:27 |
| scientes | that's easy to know | Sep 07 22:27 |
| MinceR | atm is close to bar | Sep 07 22:28 |
| mk[] | get some money for more drinks then :) | Sep 07 22:28 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 07 22:28 |
| MinceR | yeah, and the pub at the airfield is called the isobar | Sep 07 22:29 |
| scientes | Fahrenheit is still the better scientist | Sep 07 22:31 |
| XRevan86 | Fahrenheit versus Celsius, on mechas in outer space! | Sep 07 22:32 |
| MinceR | now you're talking | Sep 07 22:32 |
| XRevan86 | Fahrenheit versus Celsius, in otter spice in Mecca! | Sep 07 22:42 |
| MinceR | i'd rather not harm otters for this | Sep 07 22:42 |
| *XRevan86 checked if someone else thought of this top tier pun. Yes, they have. | Sep 07 22:44 | |
| scientes | lol | Sep 07 22:45 |
| scientes | I thought this was pretty funny when I wrote it https://giticu.tumblr.com/post/179126520217/penelope-appreciates-almost-entirely-corn-based | Sep 07 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-giticu.tumblr.com | git.icu — Penelope Appreciates Almost Entirely Corn-Based... | Sep 07 22:46 | |
| MinceR | children of the corn | Sep 07 22:47 |
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