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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: Bill Gates should run for president. After all, he knows everything and he's here to donate his time to making the world better. :P | Sep 07 00:01 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I got a backwards compliment from an ex a while back. He said "Oh, you were highly intelligent when I knew you, and I'm sure that hasn't changed, but you were the most Machiavellian person I've ever met and you've only had time to sharpen your knife.". | Sep 07 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "You struck me as having a strong Libertarian bent and I think I remember you saying that psychiatry is a pseudo-science." It is. | Sep 07 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not up there with acupuncture or homeopathy, and for lack of anything better, it's what we have. | Sep 07 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As far as medicine with approved billing codes goes, it's the closest thing to quackery out there. | Sep 07 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's more problems out there than all of the psychiatrists could ever solve even if their "services" were free. And they used to be. The state used to say "These are very sick people and we'll put them in a hospital and make sure they get their medicine and then we'll have a case worker to make sure they adjust to society when they get out." and then Reagan happened, and he cut mental health to the bone and then | Sep 07 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | some, and all of the mental hospitals dumped their patients out onto the streets. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They want to know why the local jail is overflowing with mental patients, that's why. | Sep 07 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then the state of Illinois decided they didn't want them in jail costing money either and passed "bail reform", so everywhere you go in Chicago there's public masturbators talking to buildings and screaming at things only they can see on the L. The cops see it too, but there's no money for it because of the warfare state. | Sep 07 00:08 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20012143 | Sep 07 00:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4298345) | Sep 07 00:09 | |
| kingoffrance | well its how you show the working class you are one of them...a parade of boats | Sep 07 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom mentioned tiny houses, and I said, "Utah did that. The only red state with any decency, and it's because of the Mormons. They're nuts, but they're not heartless." States with lots of evangelicals are the ones putting homeless spikes in their cities. | Sep 07 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I say put your money where your mouth is or shut the hell up, you know? | Sep 07 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're telling us that Democrats are a bunch of Satan worshipers and child molesters, when that's closer to what's going on in a lot of those churches. | Sep 07 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They protest too much, methinks. | Sep 07 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My dad is so full of it that he doesn't even take the time to untangle his logical fallacies. | Sep 07 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He said atheists worship the devil. | Sep 07 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Well, uhm, seeing that they don't believe in the devil, how are they supposed to worship it?". | Sep 07 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He pointed at the Church of Satan. I said, "You do realize that those are internet trolls that don't believe in Satan, right?". | Sep 07 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "They're putting the statues at the state capital buildings to make you have a stroke so they can laugh.". | Sep 07 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Have you ever done something really mean just to piss someone who you don't like off? | Sep 07 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We all have. We all troll people sometimes. | Sep 07 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some people just don't believe that the human psyche has everything it needs to be mean, to laugh about being mean, or to enjoy hurting others or to enjoy being hurt. | Sep 07 00:16 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | There is an entire HOLIDAY in Chicago devoted to the museum of Sado-Masochism. | Sep 07 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not making it up. In the museum (in Rogers Park), there's a copy of the resolution from the City Council. | Sep 07 00:17 |
| MinceR | 07 011656 < DaemonFC[m]> Some people just don't believe that the human psyche has everything it needs to be mean, to laugh about being mean, or to enjoy hurting others or to enjoy being hurt. | Sep 07 00:18 |
| MinceR | so what species do they classify abrahamics as? | Sep 07 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People who are not allowed to vent at people they despise take it out in all sorts of bizarre ways elsewhere. | Sep 07 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <MinceR "so what species do they classify"> The pure of heart. Heart as pure as the driven snow. Fines Christian students $500 and community service for smoking a cigarette while he watches a parade of poolboys take turns on his wife. Endorsed Donald Trump. See; Falwell Jr, Jerry. | Sep 07 00:20 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 07 00:20 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know which part impressed me more. That he enjoyed watching it or how many poolboys this dude has. | Sep 07 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, if he's like most of the other Scamvangelists, as soon as one turns 18 then they have to find another one for their bedroom Olympics. | Sep 07 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Then these are the people who after voting for people like Newt Gingrich, who slapped his dying wife with divorce papers at the cancer hospital, or Donald Trump who is on his 3rd bride (2nd mail order) and cheated on her with a porn star prostitute while she was in the hospital giving birth, tell me my marriage isn't worth the paper it's printed on. | Sep 07 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well pardon the fuck out of me for not cheating on my spouse or liking to get peed on by Russian. | Sep 07 00:26 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 07 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I may have done a lot of low things, but to be honest, I wasn't married and none of them were any good so it was a race to see who could out-slime the other one. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I certainly don't feel like I owe any of them an apology because they've all done worse to me. | Sep 07 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But to get married to someone and then screw around on them without the goddamned dignity of going down to the courthouse and even waiting to be legally separated is a bridge too far. | Sep 07 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would be beneath me to vote for Trump because frankly, the guy has no moral compass. I don't respect that. At all. | Sep 07 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're not talking Christian, not Christian, God, no God. He's never read the bible though. Lying about it would just be another sin if you believe in that sort of thing. Tear gassing unarmed people for waving signs around so you can toss a bible up in the air and look creepy and pissed off for the photo is worse. | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | like jesus would have wanted | Sep 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | (in reply to "[00:10] <DaemonFC[m]> Mom mentioned tiny houses, and I said, "Utah did that. The only red state with any decency, and it's because of the Mormons. They're nuts, but they're not heartless." States with lots of evangelicals are the ones putting homeless spikes in their cities.") | Sep 07 00:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He straight up fidgeted for 2 minutes on Fox News when they soft balled him about which bible verse he liked. He says "Very personal to me. I like all of them!". | Sep 07 00:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, circular, squirming in his chair. Sweaty. | Sep 07 00:34 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 07 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no arguing with stupid people, because....well here's an example. There's a Facebook meme circling around that says "Either masks work or they don't. If they work, it's safe to go around doing anything, right?". You know, almost child-like. They can't conceive of anything in the middle. Like, maybe this sort of mask keeps 60% of the virus from getting inside me, and that one it's 80% and this one's 90%." | Sep 07 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's yes or no. Just mindbogglingly stupid. | Sep 07 00:37 |
| schestowitz__ | I think all monotheistic religions are like that | Sep 07 00:38 |
| schestowitz__ | disguised as well-meaning | Sep 07 00:38 |
| schestowitz__ | but exclusionary, not inclusive | Sep 07 00:38 |
| MinceR | probably | Sep 07 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 10% of the virus is not great, but it's better than 100%. | Sep 07 00:38 |
| MinceR | intolerance is built into the idea of monotheism | Sep 07 00:38 |
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| Ariadne | schestowitz__: can you post something | Sep 07 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It misses the larger picture though, which is that if everyone wears them the danger drops down to very little. | Sep 07 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But you have some people who are dumb as hell sabotaging the whole thing, and so it keeps spreading. | Sep 07 00:39 |
| schestowitz__ | Ariadne: just did | Sep 07 00:40 |
| schestowitz__ | as I saw viera coming back up | Sep 07 00:40 |
| schestowitz__ | let's try from tuxmachines | Sep 07 00:40 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: UKUI 3.1 Makes Some Major Visual Changes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141816 [https://pleroma.site/objects/21af3da3-ecfc-40c4-8d1a-9804b8e43e46] | Sep 07 00:40 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The pandemic could have been mostly over with already except that we have dumbass running the country causing riots and telling his supporters to lick doorknobs. | Sep 07 00:40 |
| schestowitz__ | aha | Sep 07 00:40 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe I posted too soon prior to that | Sep 07 00:41 |
| schestowitz__ | (pasting tuxmachines diffs) | Sep 07 00:41 |
| schestowitz__ | ➬ | Sep 07 00:41 |
| schestowitz__ | UKUI 3.1 Makes Some Major Visual Changes | Sep 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141816 | Sep 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz__ | ➬ | Sep 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz__ | Audiocasts/Shows:GNU World Order and More | Sep 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141815 | Sep 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz__ | ➬ | Sep 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz__ | Kate - Color Themes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141814 | Sep 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz__ | ➬ | Sep 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz__ | Jonathan Carter: DebConf 20 Online | Sep 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141813 | Sep 07 00:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UKUI 3.1 Makes Some Major Visual Changes | Tux Machines | Sep 07 00:42 | |
| schestowitz__ | ➬ | Sep 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz__ | today's howtos | Sep 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141812 | Sep 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz__ | ➬ | Sep 07 00:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: GNU World Order and More | Tux Machines | Sep 07 00:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kate - Color Themes | Tux Machines | Sep 07 00:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Jonathan Carter: DebConf 20 Online | Tux Machines | Sep 07 00:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 07 00:42 | |
| schestowitz__ | Ariadne: thanks so much!! We owe you some monies | Sep 07 00:47 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: wanna read? | Sep 07 00:51 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah | Sep 07 01:06 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2020/09/06/transparency-in-gnu-linux/ | Sep 07 01:07 |
| schestowitz__ | quick, DaemonFC[m] | Sep 07 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reality and Expectation: GNU/Linux Isn’t Hiding Anything and That Makes It a Lot Stronger (No Embarrassing ‘Leaks’) | Techrights | Sep 07 01:07 | |
| schestowitz__ | I fixes the italics | Sep 07 01:10 |
| schestowitz__ | didn't close the tag properly | Sep 07 01:10 |
| schestowitz__ | *fixed | Sep 07 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Right now Free software is under attack" | Sep 07 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Right now, | Sep 07 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "brush under some rug" | Sep 07 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | brush under the rug would read better | Sep 07 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "everything can have a temper tantrum" | Sep 07 01:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | assume you meant everyone | Sep 07 01:13 |
| schestowitz__ | yeah | Sep 07 01:13 |
| schestowitz__ | well spotted | Sep 07 01:13 |
| schestowitz__ | I spotted a few more | Sep 07 01:13 |
| schestowitz__ | corrected as I go along | Sep 07 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looks okay for the most part. | Sep 07 01:16 |
| schestowitz__ | thanks | Sep 07 01:16 |
| schestowitz__ | I found some more minor issues | Sep 07 01:17 |
| schestowitz__ | did about 20 articles yesterday! | Sep 07 01:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Got 8 more hours to produce more | Sep 07 01:17 |
| schestowitz__ | suggest topics if you can think of any, DaemonFC[m] | Sep 07 01:17 |
| schestowitz__ | the linux [sic] news is slow | Sep 07 01:17 |
| schestowitz__ | we can make up for that by writing some | Sep 07 01:18 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Reality and Expectation: GNU/Linux Isn’t Hiding Anything and That Makes It a Lot Stronger (No Embarrassing ‘Leaks’) http://techrights.org/2020/09/06/transparency-in-gnu-linux/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/b80a2a9b-3b4c-4e4f-b8f2-f9f04ba74fa3] | Sep 07 01:20 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.axios.com/republicans-mail-in-voting-trump-a75b7b58-6405-4840-a48f-e26caf72b0fc.html | Sep 07 01:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Scoop: McCarthy warns Trump's war on mail could screw GOP - Axios | Sep 07 01:33 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois has over a million mail ballot requests. | Sep 07 01:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They said that at this time in 2016, there were only about 300,000 requests. | Sep 07 01:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Obviously, the governor's plan to increase mail voting has worked and possibly a third of all the ballots in Illinois will be sent by mail. | Sep 07 01:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois is one of the states that doesn't try to cause a mess where the line backs up for hours and nobody gets to vote, like Wisconsin and Ohio and Georgia do. | Sep 07 01:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This year, Trump gets to deal with quite a few Democratic governors of red states, swept into office because of a backlash against his stunning incompetence. | Sep 07 01:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump managed to cause his party such a disaster in the House in 2018 that they even lost two House districts that had been gerrymandered to favor Republicans. | Sep 07 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump's vision of the suburbs is not what the suburbs actually are today, and his message is backfiring. | Sep 07 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *two in Illinois, I meant to say. | Sep 07 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's pretty bad, where you've fucked up so bad as president that you have R+7 and R+9 House districts going to the Democrats. | Sep 07 01:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of this is this awful tax law that everyone in the suburbs hates. | Sep 07 01:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you own property an pay property taxes on it, you used to be able to deduct that from your federal taxes, but now there's a limit on state and local taxes that is so low that people will pay more if they try to itemize it, and more than they used to pay if they don't itemize. It's not just hitting blue states. Texas has outrageous property taxes, and so does Iowa, among others. | Sep 07 01:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't really affect me or Mandy. We got a big tax cut vs. what we would have paid under the old system. | Sep 07 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think there's anything wrong with having rich people pay more taxes, and this one landed square on top of the Mark and Maricels of the world, and unfortunately they're still here. | Sep 07 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think most of my support for the progressive tax is it'll hit them again. Maybe giving them both barrels will finally drive them into bankruptcy, or into some other state. | Sep 07 01:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Out of my hair. | Sep 07 01:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: The idea of taxes actually does interest me greatly, because the Laffer Curve (which Ben Stein brought up in Ferris Buehler's Day Off) is so bullshit. | Sep 07 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The UK still falls for it. As recently as a tax law passed in 2013. | Sep 07 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It presumes that people change their behavior based solely on how much they'll be taxed. | Sep 07 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's to give cover for tax cuts for the rich. If people behaved only as the taxes went, there'd be nobody living in Illinois, New York, or California, and nobody would play the lottery, smoke, drink, or go to a casino. | Sep 07 01:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It is true that if you raise taxes there will be some avoidance behavior, whether through loopholes or illegal activities, but that's why it's best to raise taxes in a progressive manner and in ways that are hard to get out of. | Sep 07 01:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You decrease "leakage" and don't make life unbearable for the working class. | Sep 07 01:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The marijuana tax is actually a tax on a service. The government regulates the marijuana, don't they? | Sep 07 01:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ensuring a safe supply of it that isn't tainted by PCP or formaldehyde or god knows what. That's well worth the tax if you're going to smoke pot. | Sep 07 01:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got some seriously bad shit one time and I thought I was going to die. | Sep 07 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I didn't want to go to an ER because smoking pot is illegal in Indiana and even if the cops didn't show up, I'd get an enormous hospital bill. | Sep 07 01:50 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: next article ready | Sep 07 01:51 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2020/09/06/excuses-and-distractions/ | Sep 07 01:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How to Spot Diversion Tactics (Excuses and Distractions From Articles Not Convenient to the Reader) | Techrights | Sep 07 01:51 | |
| schestowitz__ | you will find these familiar | Sep 07 01:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I stopped smoking pot, but I still do use CBD. It's actually turning into quite the product lately. | Sep 07 01:52 |
| schestowitz__ | probably less harmful than booze | Sep 07 01:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The FDA approved a version that costs an outrageous amount of money for seizures, while continuing to claim that that other CBD is medically worthless, even though it seems to help people with seizures. :) | Sep 07 01:52 |
| schestowitz__ | but best to consume neither | Sep 07 01:52 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: can you read the above while I do too? | Sep 07 01:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The FDA is the deep state, but not in the way Trump means it as part of his persecutorial delusions. | Sep 07 01:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | “The stylesheet isn’t good with my browser” | Sep 07 01:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I made that one, but because it was truncating content and seemed it might be embarrassing. | Sep 07 01:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | “The site links to itself too much” | Sep 07 01:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That is a bad habit if you can avoid it as much as possible. Makes it seem like Food Babe or Joseph Mercola just by the fact that they do it because they have no sources other than each other and their own supply of bullshit. | Sep 07 01:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | “This is insensitive or intolerant because it points out something correct like a crime (which I prefer not to talk about” | Sep 07 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Didn't close the parenthesis! | Sep 07 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | “The authors are too young to know what’s going on; I’m older and I therefore know a lot more and have been around for longer; my views supersede all else” | Sep 07 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Living to old age just means you avoided getting killed for longer than someone else. | Sep 07 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't make you smart or wise. | Sep 07 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | “The article contains leaked communication, hence it does something borderline illegal and I should not examine the evidence at all” | Sep 07 01:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Leaking something may or may not be a crime, but publishing the leak isn't. | Sep 07 01:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway.... | Sep 07 02:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looks okay other than the unclosed parenthesis situation. | Sep 07 02:00 |
| schestowitz__ | [01:57] <DaemonFC[m]> Didn't close the parenthesis! | Sep 07 02:01 |
| schestowitz__ | yup, spotted that (first pass) | Sep 07 02:01 |
| schestowitz__ | I found about 5 mistakes | Sep 07 02:01 |
| schestowitz__ | moving on to the next post | Sep 07 02:01 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: cheers! | Sep 07 02:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: I really love the FDA. | Sep 07 02:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Marijuana has no medical purpose. Also, we've turned both THC and CBD into expensive prescription drugs that cost $8,000 a month to treat your epilepsy or appetite if you have cancer or AIDS!" | Sep 07 02:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: If my doctor ever prescribes prescription THC, I'll just smoke some pot. If anyone drug tests me, go fill the prescription and say "Nyaah! Nyaah! Now what, bitches!?". | Sep 07 02:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The FDA is as stupid as it is captured. | Sep 07 02:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The nutcases who want to sell you some homeopathic placebo or tell you your microwave puts magic hitler crystals in your food point to a very real problem. | Sep 07 02:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The FDA is very crooked. That doesn't mean homeopathy (or whatever) works. It just says, "They're a bag of assholes. Here, use this unregulated product that you hope has no active ingredient.". | Sep 07 02:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My mom guzzles down colloidal silver and claims it has antibacterial properties. | Sep 07 02:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, most ailments do self-resolve, but when they don't, your placebo does something worse than simply drain you of your cash. It dopes you into avoiding the doctor over a real and growing medical concern. | Sep 07 02:10 |
| schestowitz__ | yes, well known issue | Sep 07 02:12 |
| schestowitz__ | FDA now is a joke | Sep 07 02:12 |
| schestowitz__ | just like CDC | Sep 07 02:12 |
| schestowitz__ | anything GOP touched | Sep 07 02:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A few weeks ago I had lumps in my armpit from a staph infection. I could have spent, oh god, $80 on some colloidal silver on Amazon and maybe the lumps go away on their own (confirmation bias) and maybe they don't, and then I just wasted $80 that I could have spent going to the doctor and getting some cheap antibiotics, which is what I did to begin with and no more lumps. | Sep 07 02:12 |
| schestowitz__ | or groped | Sep 07 02:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If marijuana cured the lumps I'd go right on down to the dispensary and get some, but it doesn't. It has valid medical uses and the government doesn't look into it because there's some $80,000 product that the pharma assholes can turn it into and bilk you for. So they don't really want to know. | Sep 07 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Illinois, the medical program listed 80 or so illnesses that qualified for a card, including MAJOR DEPRESSION and PTSD. | Sep 07 02:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, you have to be on a state database and a cop can look and see you're on it when he pulls you over. So it's better to just pay the tax than have a cop see you're on the medical program and tell you to do a "field sobriety test" or have your spouse divorce you and say "He smokes pot and I don't want him near my kids!". | Sep 07 02:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "HE'S GONE MOON MAD! Your honor." | Sep 07 02:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just ridiculous some of the contrivances people can pull up to harass you with. | Sep 07 02:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody thinks anything about drinking for some reason. | Sep 07 02:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Kills thousands of people every year, no problem.... No test for it to keep your job. | Sep 07 02:18 |
| thddx | more profitable to keep people down and confused | Sep 07 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John told me half the people at the TSA smke pot. | Sep 07 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They know after they get drug tested they won't be again for a while. | Sep 07 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they smoke a bunch and it's out of their system again the next time. | Sep 07 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I found it amusing that the agency that says we can't fall into predictable patterns or the terrorists win are letting half their workers smoke pot in their "drug free workplace" because the testing is predictable. | Sep 07 02:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they wanted to enforce a drug free workplace, then instead of every 6 month like clockwork, they'd test you and then wait a random amount of time and do it again, and sometimes it would be 30 days later. | Sep 07 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People would see their coworkers getting fired and they wouldn't risk being out of that cushy government job where they throw people's shampoo out for $23 an hour. | Sep 07 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.laborlawcenter.com/education-center/illinois-ban-the-box-law/ | Sep 07 02:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.laborlawcenter.com | Illinois Ban the Box Law Explained | Labor Law Education Center: Learn About Labor Laws in Your State | Sep 07 02:31 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | This one blew up on them. | Sep 07 02:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 15,000 fake job applications with stereotypical white and black sounding names were submitted to employers in New York before and after Ban the Box passed. | Sep 07 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Before Ban the Box, white applicants were 7% more likely to be called by an employer, and after white applicants were 45% more likely to be called. | Sep 07 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can't ask if you have a felony, so the safer assumption is to assume anyone black is more likely to have one or more felonies, because they are more likely to. | Sep 07 02:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody will ever prove that's why they didn't get a phone call, so it's "safe". | Sep 07 02:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even though it hurts black people with no criminal record and does nothing to help the ones who do. | Sep 07 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's the government for you. | Sep 07 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They keep wanting to do small things that don't actually work, but sound like they might, which don't cost the state money. Instead of actually reducing recidivism. | Sep 07 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Daily Show did have an episode where a black lady gave her "advice". | Sep 07 02:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Stop naming your kids ridiculous things. | Sep 07 02:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you use only the most popular baby names for the country (Social Security publishes them) then it becomes impossible to sort it out by job applications, which can't ask about your race in such a way that you must answer. | Sep 07 02:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ban the Box states only make things worse. Instead of a 7% head start, whites now have a 45% head start in trying to get a job. | Sep 07 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So black people demanded a law that destroyed their chances of getting a call back if their name gives it away that they're black. | Sep 07 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.forbes.com/sites/patriciagbarnes/2020/03/01/study-says-ban-the-box-policies-hurt-not-help-young-minority-male-job-seekers/ | Sep 07 02:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Study Says “Ban The Box” Policies Hurt (Not Help) Young Minority Male Job Seekers | Sep 07 02:43 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd say that a lot of people are scared to death of all black men whether they admit it or not. | Sep 07 02:44 |
| schestowitz__ | does anyone know if Larry Augustin uses linux? | Sep 07 02:44 |
| schestowitz__ | or some mac? | Sep 07 02:44 |
| schestowitz__ | not sure if he left sugarcrm (now proprietary) for AWS | Sep 07 02:44 |
| schestowitz__ | seems like he might be working for bezos now | Sep 07 02:44 |
| schestowitz__ | I want to see evidence of him NOT using Linux | Sep 07 02:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Speaking of CRM....SalesForce is firing a LOT of people. | Sep 07 02:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like a LOT of people. | Sep 07 02:45 |
| schestowitz__ | He doesn't have his laptop with him when he gives talks | Sep 07 02:45 |
| schestowitz__ | good, I hope salesforce vanishes | Sep 07 02:45 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/lmaugustin/status/682948471125577728 | Sep 07 02:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lmaugustin: Fiesta Bowl with my daughter Andrea! https://t.co/sGgkDuWjqf | Sep 07 02:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lmaugustin: Fiesta Bowl with my daughter Andrea! https://t.co/sGgkDuWjqf | Sep 07 02:47 | |
| schestowitz__ | maybe I'll browse his photos to find some 'mac' | Sep 07 02:47 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/lmaugustin/status/1248422695714181124 | Sep 07 02:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lmaugustin: We are hiring! https://t.co/j88SmUKhTe https://t.co/CXoP2Ocedh | Sep 07 02:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> AWS Applications | Amazon.jobs | Sep 07 02:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lmaugustin: We are hiring! https://t.co/j88SmUKhTe https://t.co/CXoP2Ocedh | Sep 07 02:48 | |
| schestowitz__ | yuck | Sep 07 02:48 |
| schestowitz__ | he does work for Bezos now | Sep 07 02:48 |
| schestowitz__ | in 2018 he still wrote about sugarcrm | Sep 07 02:50 |
| schestowitz__ | so I assume he was still there | Sep 07 02:50 |
| schestowitz__ | come on, larry, show us your machine... | Sep 07 02:50 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/lmaugustin/status/980864272853954560 | Sep 07 02:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lmaugustin: Don't forget the annual Women in Tech Festival April 12-13 at the Computer History Museum https://t.co/rsyFAGBGYl… https://t.co/nzEGbpeNw5 | Sep 07 02:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> siliconvalleyforum.com | One-on-One Networking for Mentoring, Advising, Investing, Hiring – you name it! | Silicon Valley Forum | Sep 07 02:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lmaugustin: Don't forget the annual Women in Tech Festival April 12-13 at the Computer History Museum https://t.co/rsyFAGBGYl… https://t.co/nzEGbpeNw5 | Sep 07 02:52 | |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft logo | Sep 07 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: Someone on GNULinuxLovers (Matrix) says he bids low and ends up using Linux on old Macs. | Sep 07 02:53 |
| schestowitz__ | Used android before | Sep 07 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not sure how that works. Most 2015 Macs are still priced higher than a Walmart laptop that's 3x faster. | Sep 07 02:54 |
| schestowitz__ | postign from the android app | Sep 07 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Macs are horrible. | Sep 07 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know how anyone uses them. Especially with macos on them. | Sep 07 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The GUI is fucking stupid. | Sep 07 02:55 |
| schestowitz__ | He used to post from crappy SEO stuff | Sep 07 02:55 |
| schestowitz__ | like hoomph and hootsuite | Sep 07 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The OS X interface was even worse than Classic Mac. | Sep 07 02:55 |
| schestowitz__ | does it come with mice with multiple buttons? | Sep 07 02:56 |
| schestowitz__ | or would that be "hard" and "confusing" still? | Sep 07 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, Apple thinks their users are too stupid to figure out what two or three entire buttons do. | Sep 07 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, why would you ever want Maximize that actually works? | Sep 07 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Let's waste 20% of the screen with this idiotic dock because those are cool right? | Sep 07 02:57 |
| Ariadne | this debian-private release is going to be hilarious | Sep 07 03:08 |
| Ariadne | oh well, debian's brokenness is why alpine became a thing | Sep 07 03:08 |
| Ariadne | so, thanks debian for being broken :P | Sep 07 03:08 |
| schestowitz__ | seems like it's not a new issue | Sep 07 03:11 |
| schestowitz__ | goes way back to the mid 90s | Sep 07 03:11 |
| schestowitz__ | sometimes looks like it was a lot worse back then, on several levels | Sep 07 03:12 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The argument about glibc being fat was brought up. Linus defended glibc. | Sep 07 03:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mostly because most systems are not memory constrained enough for libc to matter and you just break compatibility using some other C library. | Sep 07 03:47 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2020/09/06/an-attack-on-actual-journalism/ The Linux Foundation Pays News Sites to Plant/Embed Puff Pieces in Them. By Doing That It Associates 'Linux' With the Controversial Attack on Actual Journalism. | Sep 07 03:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Pays News Sites to Plant/Embed Puff Pieces in Them. By Doing That It Associates ‘Linux’ With the Controversial Attack on Actual Journalism. | Techrights | Sep 07 03:49 | |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: I am in favour of C | Sep 07 03:49 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't like C++ much | Sep 07 03:49 |
| schestowitz__ | high learning curve | Sep 07 03:49 |
| schestowitz__ | may be too complicated to debug | Sep 07 03:49 |
| schestowitz__ | C is universal | Sep 07 03:49 |
| schestowitz__ | works well for talking directly to hardware (memory etc) | Sep 07 03:50 |
| schestowitz__ | and for the kernel to have one language and licence makes sense | Sep 07 03:50 |
| schestowitz__ | the push to rust means github | Sep 07 03:50 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ | Sep 07 03:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights | Sep 07 03:50 | |
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| schestowitz__ | https://thegrayzone.com/2020/09/07/green-billionaires-planet-of-the-humans/ https://thegrayzone.com/2020/09/06/cls-strategies-facebook-propaganda-venezuela-bolivia/ | Sep 07 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thegrayzone.com | 'Green' billionaires behind professional activist network that led suppression of 'Planet of the Humans' documentary | The Grayzone | Sep 07 09:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thegrayzone.com | U.S. govt-linked PR firm ran fake news networks for right-wing Latin American regimes | The Grayzone | Sep 07 09:14 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jonathancarter.org | DebConf 20 Online – Jonathan Carter | Sep 07 09:48 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Metaphysics | Sep 07 14:10 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5#Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine_and_Paramount_plagiarism_controversy | Sep 07 21:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Babylon 5 - Wikipedia | Sep 07 21:11 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, apparently Star Trek DS9 is a "ripoff" of B5. | Sep 07 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They both hold up on their own though. | Sep 07 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only real smoking gun here is that JMS talked to Paramount about B5 and then they had a new Star Trek series based on a space station. | Sep 07 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This probably wouldn't hold up in court. | Sep 07 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "According to a 2017 interview with Patricia Tallman, there was a legal case and an out-of-court settlement with Paramount." | Sep 07 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sounds like "Have our lawyers talk to your lawyers and we'll give you something for a promise not to sue, because it can get ugly in there and who knows what will happen." | Sep 07 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://ohlardy.com/guess-what-youre-eating-fake-maple-syrup/ | Sep 07 21:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ohlardy.com | Guess what? You're Buying Fake Maple Syrup! - Oh Lardy | Sep 07 21:22 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can make your own using brown sugar, maple extract, and a few other things. Don't tell cubexyz because I know it's half the economy of Canada.... :) | Sep 07 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I heard about the great pancake syrup heist where people replaced cartel pancake syrup with barrels of water from a nearby stream and I was like "See, even their crime is adorable.". | Sep 07 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy saw me pouring maple syrup in my coffee and went "Eww!". | Sep 07 21:27 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20012726 | Sep 07 21:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <MinceR "https://ircz.de/p/20012726"> Walmart is having their That be rayciss sale on Uncle Ben's rice. | Sep 07 22:00 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 07 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'm still wondering if that word was initially meant as a slur or not. | Sep 07 22:02 |
| MinceR | i thought that was a Das rayciss sale | Sep 07 22:02 |
| schestowitz__ | [21:27] <DaemonFC[m]> Mandy saw me pouring maple syrup in my coffee and went "Eww!". | Sep 07 22:02 |
| schestowitz__ | If you enjoy it, so what? | Sep 07 22:02 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: considering that it comes from "black" in latin, i'd say it wasn't | Sep 07 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Not "negro", the other one. | Sep 07 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz__ "If you enjoy it, so what?"> I saw Sheriff Hopper doing it on Stranger Things and tried it one day. | Sep 07 22:02 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: basically the same thing | Sep 07 22:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I want the next season so I can binge watch it. Apparently, Hopper didn't die from the Russian laser thing. | Sep 07 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Could be, akin to "spectre", "metre", "theatre" in pronunciation. | Sep 07 22:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It opened some sort of tear and transported him to Russia. | Sep 07 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But if that's the case, then why they appear to be treated very differently? | Sep 07 22:04 |
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| MinceR | XRevan86: for the usual reason: humans are stupid | Sep 07 22:04 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I hate throwing out food bank stuff, but sometimes....It's stuff I wasn't going to buy for a reason. Like Fruit by the Foot. It's not food. | Sep 07 22:05 |
| *XRevan86 is not satisfied with that answer. | Sep 07 22:05 | |
| MinceR | too bad :> | Sep 07 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Companies toss it in the donation bin to write it off their taxes. | Sep 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: [17:44] <schestowitz__> https://pleroma.site/notice/9ytHaFGFuWnslqbyBk | Sep 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz__ | [17:44] <schestowitz__> How can you swallow that Putin would have ordered to poison #Navalny just NOW? And failed? :) | Sep 07 22:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nube: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site How can you swallow tha…" - Mastodon.zaclys.com | Sep 07 22:05 | |
| schestowitz__ | [17:44] <schestowitz__> Bonus: Where is Skripal and his daughter? 🙂 Why since 2 years no journalists went to interview Skripal, or only ask where is Skripal? | Sep 07 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's legally defined as "food" even though it's basically just chemicals and high fructose corn syrup. | Sep 07 22:06 |
| MinceR | all food is made of chemicals | Sep 07 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes you get a box from the food bank and only half of it is actual food. | Sep 07 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like canned vegetables and stuff, or some frozen chicken or beef. | Sep 07 22:06 |
| MinceR | high fructose corn syrup is just glucose and fructose (the components of sucrose) and possibly some enzyme left behind | Sep 07 22:06 |
| MinceR | water is a chemical | Sep 07 22:07 |
| MinceR | your body is made of chemicals | Sep 07 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | HFCS is much more likely to lead to diabetes eventually. | Sep 07 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It also doesn't taste like sugar. | Sep 07 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | if you buy Mexican Coke or Mexican Pepsi at the international foods store, you find that it has sugar in it, not HFCS. | Sep 07 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The taste is very different. | Sep 07 22:08 |
| MinceR | i doubt that 5% discrepancy (55% fructose + 45% glucose) makes much difference | Sep 07 22:08 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: It is unsettling, but seeing shpeelee-veelee puts me more at ease | Sep 07 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom said when they did that New Coke thing in the 80s and then brought back "Original Coke", it didn't taste the same. | Sep 07 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She still had some original coke left and nobody thought it tasted like the stuff they brought back. | Sep 07 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They used it as a buffer where they knew their sales would collapse so that nobody would remember what the original product was supposed to taste like. | Sep 07 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | i.e. the famous interview of Petrov and Boshirov from RT | Sep 07 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | that was beautiful | Sep 07 22:09 |
| MinceR | perhaps the tastebuds interact differently with sucrose, fructose and glucose | Sep 07 22:09 |
| MinceR | and afaik New Coke was designed to perform better at taste tests (as Pepsi does) | Sep 07 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They tolerated a year of bad sales so that they could switch to the government subsidized crap and pull a fast one. | Sep 07 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If anyone thought it was different, maybe it was just bad memory. | Sep 07 22:10 |
| XRevan86 | About Skripals: https://thetimes.co.uk/article/skripals-jzjg2n7hq | Sep 07 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Yeah, I tried New Coke because they marketed it as Coke II until 1992 in the US. | Sep 07 22:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thetimes.co.uk | Salisbury novichok poisonings: Sergei and Yulia Skripal move to New Zealand | News | The Sunday Times | Sep 07 22:11 | |
| schestowitz__ | oiaohm: DaemonFC[m]: someone who reads IRC logs has feedback | Sep 07 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The sales were bad, so they got rid of it. | Sep 07 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's getting hard to find Tab, now that I think about it. | Sep 07 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Coronavirus might finally kill it off. | Sep 07 22:12 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: Russia knows no boundaries | Sep 07 22:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Coke says they're killing off low volume brands. | Sep 07 22:12 |
| schestowitz__ | |low volume" | Sep 07 22:12 |
| schestowitz__ | what do they call "people"? | Sep 07 22:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Protect the bottom line since sales are down, so they're pulling out of those ridiculous smoothie and "milk" products. | Sep 07 22:12 |
| XRevan86 | Skripals changed their names and moved to New Zealand. Could be why they went off the radar – they literally intentionally have. | Sep 07 22:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: Yes, you commented about how stores give out so many shopping bags. | Sep 07 22:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just use them for household trash and toss them in the bin outside when I'm done. | Sep 07 22:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why waste a $20 on trash bags that year when I have hundreds and hundreds of these plastic grocery bags? | Sep 07 22:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois is proposing a bag tax like Chicago's though. Those bag bans actually don't work well. | Sep 07 22:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It results in 40% of the plastic reduction being wiped out immediately by people buying garbage bags. | Sep 07 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Chicago, the grocery stores started passing out reusable bags that everyone used once, and then they had more plastic in each one. | Sep 07 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What it did do was raise $38 million for the city each year. | Sep 07 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's never going away. | Sep 07 22:18 |
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| schestowitz__ | Re: Ryan (and Oiahom) | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > You can tell him one of his biggest fans said he's trying too hard. I | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > get that he wants to make fun of the fake brand of feminists (who at | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > best, exploit and piggyback legitimate ones) but only teenage douchebags | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > say "womyn". | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > You can also tell him I'm not his boss and have no real say what he | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > says-- I don't want to be. As to whether he's more offensive than 2 | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > weeks ago, eh-- it's more like the episode of Seinfeld where he | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > complains to the Rabbi that he thinks his dentist converted to Judaism | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > "for the jokes". | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > The Rabbi asks "and this offends you as a Jewish person?" | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > "No, it offends me as a comedian!" | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > With a nod and a wink, obviously. Picking on someone with Ryan's type of | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > wit is risky, it's the comedic equivalent of showing up uninvited to an | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > underground boxing ring, urinating on the floor and saying "come at me, | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > bro". Even the nicest comedians save a barb for hecklers. | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > With that said, he's funnier than this. If you have to explain the joke, | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > it's already pointless. You laugh or you don't. Nobody makes me read the | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > logs, you know. But maybe they should have a 2-drink minimum. | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > To be fair, I still miss Dane Cook. Now that is a comedian for teenage | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > douchebags, and he was cancelled for picking on the wrong owner. He's | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > extremely good at making fun of women, and it was female fans (two of | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > them, separately) who introduced me to his comedy. I'm not saying all | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > his stuff is childish, but you know, not a syllable of if is high-brow | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > or something you have to think about to laugh it. He's just very silly. | Sep 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > So is Ryan, I'm still a fan. But I've got a quip coming right for me | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > now, I'm sure of it. | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > Also figosdev wrote on 07/09/2020 17:29: | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > You can tell him one of his biggest fans said he's trying too hard. I | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > get that he wants to make fun of the fake brand of feminists (who at | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > best, exploit and piggyback legitimate ones) but only teenage douchebags | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > say "womyn". | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > You can also tell him I'm not his boss and have no real say what he | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > says-- I don't want to be. As to whether he's more offensive than 2 | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > weeks ago, eh-- it's more like the episode of Seinfeld where he | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > complains to the Rabbi that he thinks his dentist converted to Judaism | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > "for the jokes". | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > The Rabbi asks "and this offends you as a Jewish person?" | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > "No, it offends me as a comedian!" | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > With a nod and a wink, obviously. Picking on someone with Ryan's type of | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > wit is risky, it's the comedic equivalent of showing up uninvited to an | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > underground boxing ring, urinating on the floor and saying "come at me, | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > bro". Even the nicest comedians save a barb for hecklers. | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > With that said, he's funnier than this. If you have to explain the joke, | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > it's already pointless. You laugh or you don't. Nobody makes me read the | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > logs, you know. But maybe they should have a 2-drink minimum. | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > To be fair, I still miss Dane Cook. Now that is a comedian for teenage | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > douchebags, and he was cancelled for picking on the wrong owner. He's | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > extremely good at making fun of women, and it was female fans (two of | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > them, separately) who introduced me to his comedy. I'm not saying all | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > his stuff is childish, but you know, not a syllable of if is high-brow | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > or something you have to think about to laugh it. He's just very silly. | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > So is Ryan, I'm still a fan. But I've got a quip coming right for me | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > now, I'm sure of it. | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > Also Oiahom (I should look up the spelling again) is pedantic, it's | Sep 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | > true, but I've changed my mind about him. You need at least one guy like | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > him. You would be worse off otherwise. I'm not saying it's tasty | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > medicine, just that it's good for you. I was on the fence more, though | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > now I've converted. I'm still glad we don't talk anymore though. He's | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > all yours! | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > This may be considered a bit nasty. That's okay, I know what I meant. | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > He's the Devil's Advocate you know, so he should probably know what I | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > meant too in the worst of scenarios, after all. | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > I said a year ago that if you cancel everybody you don't like, | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > eventually the "worst" (by whose standards?) of society will find their | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > way into one concentrated shitshow, made more (not less) extreme by the | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > ousting. Sort of a thoughtcrime super-group, but Blake Edwards did that | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > already with Jaques Clouseau and Georgina from Upstairs, Downstairs. | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > We are the BEST of the "Worst!" Be proud. Or just have fun. Ryan as | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > well. Cheers. He can be certain I'm still running for cover like a | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > coward-- barb's at the ready. (Her husband doesn't know.) (I should look up the spelling again) is pedantic, it's | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > true, but I've changed my mind about him. You need at least one guy like | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > him. You would be worse off otherwise. I'm not saying it's tasty | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > medicine, just that it's good for you. I was on the fence more, though | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > now I've converted. I'm still glad we don't talk anymore though. He's | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > all yours! | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > This may be considered a bit nasty. That's okay, I know what I meant. | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > He's the Devil's Advocate you know, so he should probably know what I | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > meant too in the worst of scenarios, after all. | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > I said a year ago that if you cancel everybody you don't like, | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > eventually the "worst" (by whose standards?) of society will find their | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > way into one concentrated shitshow, made more (not less) extreme by the | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > ousting. Sort of a thoughtcrime super-group, but Blake Edwards did that | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > already with Jaques Clouseau and Georgina from Upstairs, Downstairs. | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > We are the BEST of the "Worst!" Be proud. Or just have fun. Ryan as | Sep 07 22:25 |
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| schestowitz__ | > well. Cheers. He can be certain I'm still running for cover like a | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | > coward-- barb's at the ready. (Her husband doesn't know.) | Sep 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | (double pasted by error) | Sep 07 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I was going to say yikes. | Sep 07 22:26 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womyn huh, that's… a thing. | Sep 07 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Womyn - Wikipedia | Sep 07 22:26 | |
| XRevan86 | Oh, that explains "werewolf" also, and makes it strictly male. | Sep 07 22:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The point was that all of these women are getting into software, and I think that's fine and I don't see any reason they shouldn't. But some don't seem to be able to take the heat like everyone else has for decades and let market forces decide whether their product has merit or not. | Sep 07 22:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Plenty of men have gotten into software, had product(s) flop, and gt right back out or go straight into bankruptcy. | Sep 07 22:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They never tried blaming any sort of conspiracy of trying to keep them out of the marketplace. In fact, that game about depression and feelings and stuff is still in the Steam market and whoever wants that can go buy a copy and nobody will stop them. | Sep 07 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That being said, probably 80% of the market for gamers (I made that up, but that's what my gut tells me) are men, and you have to market products that are tailored for who your customers are, or admit going into it that you're not going to get a good reception. | Sep 07 22:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most men don't want to play a game about feelings, or even talk about their feelings, and that's a social construct like anything is. It makes no logical sense, but that's what most men hold themselves to. | Sep 07 22:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So not only did the product not sell well, but, predictably, it was fodder for some nasty internet trolls, and instead of ignoring them, like she should have done, the developer had an emotional breakdown very publicly on the internet, which only made it a thousand times worse and then ended it with "I have a pussy so I'm entitled to have this game do well and not be flamed by internet trolls!". | Sep 07 22:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, I don't respect that. | Sep 07 22:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You are entitled to nothing. | Sep 07 22:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But then it got even worse somehow and she went and made a speech at the UN about how there should be laws to silence critics of her products. | Sep 07 22:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now it all makes a lot of sense what this is, doesn't it? | Sep 07 22:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Had she left it alone, the trolls would have just gotten bored and gone after the next shiny thing, but now she's had herself elevated to martyr status and she's giving a speech at the fucking UN. | Sep 07 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | About getting rid of freedom of speech. | Sep 07 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, this after they hosted Saddam Hussein, George Bush, and Muammar Gaddafi. | Sep 07 22:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That and the New York City parking tickets are just evidence that the UN is a gigantic money pit for countries to give a forum to terrorists and people who hate freedom, and the shithole country ambassadors who get drunk and run over Americans and you can't prosecute them. | Sep 07 22:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We should forcibly repossess the UN headquarters and just let the EU take over. | Sep 07 22:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When I was with John, Trump said shitholes countries and John goes "Did he just say why are we letting all these people in from shithole countries?". I said, "You know I believe he did but I'm going to pretend I didn't hear it because he's right. Just why in the hell are we taking in diversity visa lottery people from Somalia and Serbia when we have Americans sleeping on park benches?". | Sep 07 22:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm actually not ashamed that Trump said that, but I do not like Trump. | Sep 07 22:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We actually have one of those "Captain Philips" pirates in a federal prison right now and the guy is having the time of his life in there because Somalia is so bad. | Sep 07 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't punish them. Either they get shot and don't have to live in Somalia anymore, or they end up in an American prison which is like a mansion compared to where they came from. | Sep 07 22:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Somali pirates are using the same excuse those fucking looters that are burning down Chicago and Kenosha are. | Sep 07 22:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're black so it's all reparations and they have a right to steal whatever they want and rape whoever they want and burn down black owned businesses because whatever. | Sep 07 22:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just more of this milquetoast white guilt crap that sent Zoë Quinn to the UN to cancel culture the First Amendment. | Sep 07 22:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was fucking pissed when I found out the true extent of the Chicago rioting weeks later. | Sep 07 22:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The news didn't want to report that they bashed out windows and trashed places like Ronny's, which is a great (and black-owned) restaurant (which employed about two dozen primarily black employees) in the loop. | Sep 07 22:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It had been in Chicago since 1963 and the Coronavirus and the riots shut them down permanently. | Sep 07 22:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Meanwhile, the "news" had been shoving cameras into a "BLM leader's" face saying it was all about reparations from the white man. | Sep 07 22:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they were entitled to whatever they did. | Sep 07 22:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | WGN actually went into the Loop with cameras and you could overlay noises from the zoo and turn it into some comedy gold, really. | Sep 07 22:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, every once in a while one would realize they were being filmed and jump to the left and right and it was.... That's where my mind went, sorry not sorry. | Sep 07 22:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'll tell you what I think, and it's not politically correct, but here it goes. | Sep 07 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the "BLM" "movement", they see black people who are gainfully and legally employed as the enemy, they see black business owners and especially black cops as the arch-traitors. | Sep 07 22:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The BLM people are a bunch of criminals and if the social loafing won't be tolerated, they'll come burn and pillage until the government relents and gives them free shit to make them calm down. | Sep 07 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: This is also why modern management theory falls apart. | Sep 07 22:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It emphasizes the group, not the individual. | Sep 07 22:52 |
| schestowitz__ | not sure | Sep 07 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you assign tasks to a group, no individual works as hard as they would if they were doing it alone, because the natural tendency is for each member to assume someone else will pick up the slack. | Sep 07 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're also harder to monitor and issue individual performance evaluations to. | Sep 07 22:52 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't like some managers I've dealt with | Sep 07 22:52 |
| schestowitz__ | others are cool | Sep 07 22:52 |
| schestowitz__ | just had a chat about this with rianne_ hours ago | Sep 07 22:53 |
| schestowitz__ | the bad managers are out anyway... the CEO canned them | Sep 07 22:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's not usually what happens. | Sep 07 22:53 |
| schestowitz__ | right | Sep 07 22:53 |
| schestowitz__ | they try to can some stuff | Sep 07 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Walmart had a failing upwards culture when I worked there. | Sep 07 22:54 |
| schestowitz__ | some left | Sep 07 22:54 |
| schestowitz__ | I demanded an apology | Sep 07 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This new management they brought in from Mexico seems to be a lot smarter. | Sep 07 22:54 |
| schestowitz__ | and that's where it escalated | Sep 07 22:54 |
| schestowitz__ | and resolved soon after | Sep 07 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many layoffs in these tech companies seem to be random and like they're trying to reach a number, really, more than finding out who to keep and who really needs to go. | Sep 07 22:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My dad said he's not surprised that Thomson is in bankruptcy. | Sep 07 22:55 |
| schestowitz__ | oh, cool, "just" 3 covid deaths reported here today | Sep 07 22:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He said he knew they were in trouble when years after he was laid off, some higher up manager accidentally CC'd him in an email. | Sep 07 22:56 |
| schestowitz__ | gives me some confidence that unless you're vulnerable a visit to the hospital would likely result in recovery | Sep 07 22:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It said they planned to exit consumer hardware entirely and work on "streaming" and see how to patent things you needed in order to do it so that they could pull in revenue from other companies. | Sep 07 22:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: The Governor of Florida gave up and issued an order saying family could just walk into the nursing homes again. | Sep 07 22:57 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: it was managed at one point by a current corrupt EU commissoner (I believe I've mentioned it to you before about Thomson) | Sep 07 22:57 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: so get your parents out of that home | Sep 07 22:58 |
| schestowitz__ | if they bring in visitors with kids back in school and all | Sep 07 22:58 |
| schestowitz__ | it'll be anorher NYC | Sep 07 22:58 |
| schestowitz__ | *another | Sep 07 22:58 |
| schestowitz__ | keep the parents at your own home | Sep 07 22:58 |
| schestowitz__ | shield them | Sep 07 22:58 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I agree. | Sep 07 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is going to cause so many deaths. The timing is completely cynical too. | Sep 07 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like the state wanted to keep them alive long enough to probably vote for Trump again, and not one second longer. | Sep 07 23:00 |
| schestowitz__ | "HUUURD MUTINY!!" | Sep 07 23:01 |
| schestowitz__ | "BRING OUT THE __BEAST___!!" | Sep 07 23:01 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe if they put MAGA hats on the elderly, they will be divinely protested | Sep 07 23:01 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | huurdwhat? | Sep 07 23:01 |
| schestowitz__ | *protected | Sep 07 23:01 |
| schestowitz__ | _I3^RELATIVISM: I herd you like herds | Sep 07 23:02 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | the hurd kernel is in mutiny | Sep 07 23:02 |
| schestowitz__ | So I put HURD in your GNU and heard the machine go "POP!" | Sep 07 23:02 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | the project is dissolving! | Sep 07 23:02 |
| schestowitz__ | would not shock me | Sep 07 23:02 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | yah me needer | Sep 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz__ | last I saw an update on the project in gnu planet was probably last year | Sep 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz__ | but it's free software | Sep 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz__ | any of them can carry on individually | Sep 07 23:03 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | GPLed OpenBSD kernel is the way to go | Sep 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz__ | the name might change, so... | Sep 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz__ | _I3^RELATIVISM: parabola (IIRC) thinks so | Sep 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz__ | the upper stack is strong | Sep 07 23:04 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | <schestowitz__ "any of them can carry on individ"> shore to organize that mess alone | Sep 07 23:04 |
| schestowitz__ | kde, firefox, chorm* etc. | Sep 07 23:04 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | dont think so | Sep 07 23:04 |
| schestowitz__ | *not that those are good in all aspects | Sep 07 23:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Linux is going the DRM route | Sep 07 23:04 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | parabola?what about HyperbolaBSD | Sep 07 23:04 |
| schestowitz__ | microkernels might be hard for any one individual to manage | Sep 07 23:04 |
| schestowitz__ | _I3^RELATIVISM: maybe the latter | Sep 07 23:05 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | <schestowitz__ ". ¦3<RELATIVISM: parabola (IIRC)"> what makes you say this | Sep 07 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | figosdev, who might be reading it, knows better | Sep 07 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | he wrote about this sunday/money | Sep 07 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | hang on.. | Sep 07 23:05 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2020/09/06/orthodoxy/ | Sep 07 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | here ^ | Sep 07 23:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | BSD, and Ultra-Orthodoxy in Free Software | Techrights | Sep 07 23:06 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Relying on a minimal distribution like Tiny Core has made migration much easier, and that’s a feature. Debian may have at one point been a Lexus as far as distributions go, but that is harder to replace than a Nissan Leaf — at least I thought that metaphor would work, until I looked up the list prices and found the Lexus CT is actually comparable to the Leaf. Go figure." | Sep 07 23:06 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | probably those parabola devs should go helpthe hyperbolaBSD project, given that they are already rewriting code to makethat happend | Sep 07 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | "Hyperbola team does have its own browser project which in theory (in all seriousness) is better." | Sep 07 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Maybe I meant Hyperbola | Sep 07 23:06 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't distro-hop much anymore | Sep 07 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | it's too disorienting and disruptive | Sep 07 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | short history | Sep 07 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 2000 red hat | Sep 07 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 2003 suse | Sep 07 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 2006 ubuntu | Sep 07 23:07 |
| schestowitz__ | 2007/8 mandriva | Sep 07 23:08 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | bahaha, realy wouldnt know that | Sep 07 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | then DaemonFC[m] got me on kubuntu beta/alpha in 2019 iirc | Sep 07 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | 2010 fedora | Sep 07 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | 2011 some mint | Sep 07 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | then mostly kubuntu, openbox stuff | Sep 07 23:08 |
| schestowitz__ | now just Buster everywhere I can, it's extremely reliable | Sep 07 23:09 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | hyperbola allthe way is the only sane project tome | Sep 07 23:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Kubuntu hit a rough spot when Canonical patched all those applications for Unity. | Sep 07 23:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it got better again after the patches were all dropped. | Sep 07 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Canonical abandoned kde | Sep 07 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | for the most part | Sep 07 23:09 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | openbsd is allright, but they licensing ideology makes me question their values | Sep 07 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Debian still treats it almost like first-class citizen | Sep 07 23:09 |
| schestowitz__ | and unstable has the latest builds | Sep 07 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | not that I want to be a tested for those things... I need to get work done | Sep 07 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | *tester | Sep 07 23:10 |
| schestowitz__ | (side note: some nations like china seem to be building their national OSes based on Debian) | Sep 07 23:10 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | hyperbolahas the same estability model as debian, on a arch code base | Sep 07 23:10 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | without any systemd nonsense | Sep 07 23:11 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | willcheck that link though, cheers | Sep 07 23:11 |
| *schestowitz__ works with 5 laptops at the moment, took 2 of rianne's | Sep 07 23:11 | |
| schestowitz__ | _I3^RELATIVISM: so it's rolling? | Sep 07 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | seems risky to me | Sep 07 23:12 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | no | Sep 07 23:12 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | its not rolling | Sep 07 23:12 |
| schestowitz__ | This isn't how we roll here :-) | Sep 07 23:13 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | is the same model as debian | Sep 07 23:13 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | sostable release every x time etc | Sep 07 23:13 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | but based on the parabola/arch codebase | Sep 07 23:13 |
| schestowitz__ | advantage? nosystemd? | Sep 07 23:14 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | and supports freedom initcampaighn | Sep 07 23:14 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | yes exatcly | Sep 07 23:14 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | not to speak isuse xenocora | Sep 07 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | I thought about devuan at one point | Sep 07 23:14 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | etc | Sep 07 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | but then someone told me bad things about them | Sep 07 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | (the community) | Sep 07 23:14 |
| schestowitz__ | (not the project) | Sep 07 23:14 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | yeah devuan is not bad their devs are a bit short sighted though | Sep 07 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | _I3^RELATIVISM: the site will move to alpine for the CMSs soon, Ariadne is busy migrating to .NL | Sep 07 23:15 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | yes exatcly | Sep 07 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | it uses centos at the moment | Sep 07 23:15 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | alpine buhh | Sep 07 23:15 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | not a fan | Sep 07 23:15 |
| schestowitz__ | hv uses alpine, db also alpine container | Sep 07 23:15 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | consider Hyperbola | Sep 07 23:16 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | especially now with theyre HyperbolaBSD project | Sep 07 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | but Ariadne says she's good at Apline, she's a developer there | Sep 07 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | and it had no unforeseen downtimes since 2018 | Sep 07 23:16 |
| schestowitz__ | (when it was set up) | Sep 07 23:16 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | dont like the musl move and allthe licensing choices of alpine | Sep 07 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | ISC | Sep 07 23:17 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | copyleft is necessary to enshore freedomof users | Sep 07 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus sort of endorsed it | Sep 07 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | in that "fuck you nvidia" q and a | Sep 07 23:17 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | the old opensourse vs freesoftware battle | Sep 07 23:17 |
| schestowitz__ | copyleft is not enough | Sep 07 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | but it was extended | Sep 07 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | with affero | Sep 07 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | and that too is not enough | Sep 07 23:18 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | true anyway gonna go read the article you sended. Cheers | Sep 07 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | we still need to educate people | Sep 07 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | wean them off bad things that harm society | Sep 07 23:18 |
| schestowitz__ | (so-called) phones, FB... | Sep 07 23:18 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | yah very true | Sep 07 23:19 |
| *schestowitz__ going to add another pocock article | Sep 07 23:19 | |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | I think people litleby litle are starting to realize even ISC people, anyway | Sep 07 23:19 |
| *_I3^RELATIVISM is afk | Sep 07 23:19 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I doubt Canonical will drop Kubuntu, because there's no reason to. | Sep 07 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It increases marketshare for the base system. | Sep 07 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't believe that you can buy a support contract for it though. | Sep 07 23:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would actually be really hard to repackage everything as snaps, which is why they dropped them from the base system in 20.04 LTS. | Sep 07 23:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that Debian style packages will be the default in Ubuntu for a long time. But they've made an empty debian package for Chromium that just wakes Snap up and has it install the Chromium snap. | Sep 07 23:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They said it makes it easier to support Chromium across all the distributions they still support. Makes sense I guess. | Sep 07 23:25 |
| Ariadne | _I3^RELATIVISM: many components of alpine are GPL. we use non-GPL license in cases where it helps collaboration | Sep 07 23:30 |
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| Ariadne | _I3^RELATIVISM: copyleft is an outdated concept. instead we must make software freedom the socially preferred choice. | Sep 07 23:31 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | my understandment of alpine id that the only reason forusing GPL is if a premissive license is not possible because of compatability with GPLv2 or later codebases | Sep 07 23:31 |
| Ariadne | that is incorrect | Sep 07 23:31 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | <Ariadne ". ¦3<RELATIVISM: copyleft is an "> what you mean by that, and could you present some arguments in favor of that cheers | Sep 07 23:31 |
| Ariadne | apk, our package manager is GPLv3. | Sep 07 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I doubt that some HFCS would hurt you, but it's just something that the junk food industry throws into crap with empty calories because it's cheap. | Sep 07 23:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's more of a proxy for "Is this utter crap or not?". | Sep 07 23:32 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | ok then I need to investigate further to correct my preseption, Ariadne thank you for the tip | Sep 07 23:32 |
| Ariadne | and yes I intend to write about copyleft soon. I have just been busy with work. | Sep 07 23:32 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | Why you say it is outdated | Sep 07 23:33 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | I dont feelis outdated | Sep 07 23:33 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | I just feel a copyleft license should be writen which include duallicensing clauses | Sep 07 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes there's absolutely no quality difference on the extreme cheap and extremely expensive side of the grocery aisle. A 50 cent can of corn is basically the same thing as the 98 cent can and the $1.08 can. They're putting different labels on it so they can fish for price sensitivity. | Sep 07 23:33 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | that allow for distribution under apache2 | Sep 07 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But sometimes there's a big difference (the 98 cent loaf of bread, and the $2.98 one). | Sep 07 23:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I don't have a hard rule for groceries. I buy cheap when it makes absolutely no difference and I go high when it makes a big difference. | Sep 07 23:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Only Sith deal in absolutes. :) | Sep 07 23:35 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | Ariadne: Why you say it is outdated I don't it feel is outdated I just feel a copyleft license should be writen which include some dual licensing paying clauses that allow for distribution under apache2, and all this should be implemented on a dao system based on the git commits, so to make software projects financially sustainable. | Sep 07 23:36 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | were the distribution under apache2, would be seen as a donation for important work on the project | Sep 07 23:37 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Giving People Credit for Their Work http://techrights.org/2020/09/07/credit-for-work/ #debian [https://pleroma.site/objects/25ce48c8-b1c0-4337-b5b5-3613c746821e] | Sep 07 23:40 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | You could always dual license. | Sep 07 23:41 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The Mozilla tri-license was a disaster though. | Sep 07 23:42 |
| Ariadne | _I3^RELATIVISM: it's outdated because people begrudgingly follow copyleft | Sep 07 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, the MPL 1.1 had a clause allowing Netscape to make a proprietary version of the software. | Sep 07 23:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that right goes to Facebook now. | Sep 07 23:43 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | "begrudgingly follow" tottaly agree | Sep 07 23:43 |
| Ariadne | that's what I mean by pushing for social change. we need to make software freedom the default. | Sep 07 23:43 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | it anoys me that everybody just uses GPL | Sep 07 23:44 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | what you though of ^^ | Sep 07 23:44 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | a copyleft license should be writen which include some dual licensing paying clauses that allow for distribution under apache2, and all this should be implemented on a dao system based on the git commits, so to make software projects financially sustainable. Were the distribution under apache2, would be seen as a donation for important work on the project | Sep 07 23:44 |
| Ariadne | alpine lets its contributors use whatever license they deem appropriate. for trivial things we do use simple licenses | Sep 07 23:44 |
| Ariadne | but strategic components like apk are GPL | Sep 07 23:45 |
| Ariadne | some components where we collaborate with other projects, like pkgconf where we collaborate with FreeBSD and others, are ISC-licensed | Sep 07 23:45 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | sounds good I will research Alpine a bit better then | Sep 07 23:45 |
| Ariadne | basically, we use whatever license makes sense for the objective at hand | Sep 07 23:45 |
| Ariadne | but we are not anti-GPL or anti-GNU or anti-anything | Sep 07 23:46 |
| Ariadne | we just want to use whatever the best technology available is | Sep 07 23:46 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | so musl was chosen over glibc because of code quality etc? | Sep 07 23:46 |
| Ariadne | yes | Sep 07 23:46 |
| Ariadne | musl is considerably more robust | Sep 07 23:46 |
| Ariadne | and before we used musl, we used uclibc | Sep 07 23:46 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | that makes sense | Sep 07 23:46 |
| Ariadne | our choice for uclibc was political: we did not want to deal with ulrich drepper | Sep 07 23:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ulrich Drepper is gone, I think. | Sep 07 23:46 |
| Ariadne | a lot of us came from debian, and had bad experiences with drepper | Sep 07 23:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, that's where eglibc came in, as kind of a soft fork. | Sep 07 23:47 |
| Ariadne | yes, he is gone now, but musl fits with our goals better. | Sep 07 23:47 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | Is alpine considering another kernel? | Sep 07 23:47 |
| Ariadne | no | Sep 07 23:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Drepper, as I understood it, was an asshole who was just impossible to get along with, and anti-GNU as well. | Sep 07 23:47 |
| Ariadne | there is also a glibc version of alpine being developed too | Sep 07 23:47 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | may alpine could join forces with HyperbolaBSD project | Sep 07 23:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So this "part of GNU but hates GNU and tries to undermine it" thing is hardly new. | Sep 07 23:48 |
| Ariadne | unlikely | Sep 07 23:48 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | doesnt linux kernel structure, concern alpine devs? | Sep 07 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Linux kernel developers themselves should concern everyone. | Sep 07 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But how are you going to replace something this big, which almost everything in userland depends on to work properly? | Sep 07 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've tried desktop BSDs over and over and it became pointless. | Sep 07 23:49 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | Ariadne: i didnt meant a merger just join forces to port the OpenBSD kernel as a alternative to linux kernel | Sep 07 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Right? None of them care about device firmware, they are missing drivers, and if they have Linux support it's some kernel that time forgot being simulated. | Sep 07 23:50 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | they kind of need help smal dev team | Sep 07 23:50 |
| Ariadne | _I3^RELATIVISM: we have succeeded in pushing back on a lot of stupidity. at $dayjob, we are considering providing alpine userspace with netbsd kernel as a redundancy option. | Sep 07 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wayland seems even shittier than systemd from a desktop user point of view. | Sep 07 23:51 |
| Ariadne | wayland has a lot of pros and a lot of cons | Sep 07 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | systemd doesn't seem to get in my way other than some of the shutdown problems that they never fix. | Sep 07 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wayland has serious problems, especially with Wine. | Sep 07 23:51 |
| Ariadne | wine works fine for me in wayland | Sep 07 23:52 |
| Ariadne | but that is because netbsd provides the features we need to ship to customers. doing that with openbsd would mean writing a lot of new code. | Sep 07 23:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems like the best way to "solve" the shutdown problems with systemd is to just work around them by making it give up after 5 seconds and continuing to shutdown anyway. | Sep 07 23:52 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | the freesoftware movement needs to come toghether to start finding an alternative kernel | Sep 07 23:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which, working around the same exact bug for 10 years = LOL | Sep 07 23:52 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | and openbsd is proably the best option | Sep 07 23:53 |
| Ariadne | netbsd is a better option | Sep 07 23:53 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | dont agree | Sep 07 23:53 |
| Ariadne | for us, anyway | Sep 07 23:53 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | to much atack surface | Sep 07 23:53 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | please explain the thinking behind it | Sep 07 23:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everything has attack surface. | Sep 07 23:53 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | might understand you point then | Sep 07 23:53 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | DaemonFC: that is kind of redundant | Sep 07 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Once you start actually turning on the stuff you need to actually use OpenBSD, it's got a lot of security problems. | Sep 07 23:54 |
| Ariadne | _I3^RELATIVISM: i work for a company that produces an enterprise networking OS for various ODMs, based on alpine | Sep 07 23:54 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | with that atitude why build anything | Sep 07 23:54 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They keep talking about the default install as if anyone would use that for somethiing.. | Sep 07 23:54 |
| Ariadne | _I3^RELATIVISM: netbsd has things like XDP like linux does. these are things we need to support our customers. | Sep 07 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They keep it small on purpose as a marketing thing. | Sep 07 23:54 |
| Ariadne | _I3^RELATIVISM: to use openbsd would be to reinvent all of that from scratch. | Sep 07 23:54 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | I see | Sep 07 23:55 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | yes openbsd ismore targeted to specific hardware | Sep 07 23:55 |
| Ariadne | _I3^RELATIVISM: there are literally openbsd developers who work at the same company. they also agree netbsd is a better fit :) | Sep 07 23:55 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | like what is considered secure | Sep 07 23:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think more distributions should start leaping from LTS kernels to the next LTS kernel. | Sep 07 23:55 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | pre2008 thinkpads | Sep 07 23:55 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | early macbooks etc | Sep 07 23:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that would, perhaps result in less problems overall. | Sep 07 23:55 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Sep 07 23:55 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | yeah maybe that would help a bit | Sep 07 23:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They seem to regulate themselves more when the kernel will have to be supported for years. | Sep 07 23:56 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | in the linux world that is | Sep 07 23:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they seem to go out with fewer bugs to begin with. | Sep 07 23:56 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | nice talk DaemonFC and Ariadne | Sep 07 23:57 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | cheers | Sep 07 23:57 |
| *_I3^RELATIVISM is afk | Sep 07 23:57 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The whole attitude about what can go into something you support for 6 months becomes rather flippant. | Sep 07 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You have to push that out to 3 or 5 or 10 years, it gets more conservative because the people who need to maintain it realize what kind of work they're in for if it's a bad one. | Sep 07 23:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A 6 month problem isn't a problem, right? | Sep 07 23:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Toss that in. If it's broken, great. Some user will file a bug and it won't be in the next LTS." | Sep 07 23:59 |
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