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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian Developers Take To Voting Over Init System Diversity []Dec 07 04:06
schestowitz 07 04:07
schestowitz"Dec 07 04:07
schestowitzThis is just sad. I had no idea there would still be people taking this ridiculous prejudice seriously so many years later. I used systemd on Debian since well before it was even part of the distribution, it was really quite good then, and now it enables like... half the important infrastructure for a decent workstation or desktop, including many things that didn't work well or at all when systemd was birthed. It isn't more memory-intensive Dec 07 04:07
schestowitzthan other init systems, it is generally faster, it is dead simple to configure, it is the default on every major distribution, it is maintained well by a dedicated team of developers.Dec 07 04:08
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schestowitzThere is no good reason to impose the cost of maintaining non-systemd init scripts on every Debian package maintainer, to satisfy a group of people who appear to have few or no valid practical concerns. If your init system is so great, go ahead and write the missing units/scripts for it yourself, like I did many years ago with systemd; if it's too hard for an intermediate user to accomplish that, is your init system even worth considering?Dec 07 04:08
schestowitz"Dec 07 04:08
schestowitz"Let's be real. Even if there is a resolution, it doesn't mean an end to "further discussion" as we've seen. And if someone loses, they're still going to be pushing for another vote down the line. And trolling in the forums hoping that people believe their FUD."Dec 07 04:08
schestowitz"Choice 10: Stock up on weapons and head down to Red Hat HQ to show them who's boss"Dec 07 04:08
schestowitz"Dec 07 04:08
schestowitzApparently you are like what 17 yo and you were in infancy when most of us hardcore unix admins were already working on tons of linux/bsd servers, maintaining large networks. People like you who don't know what they talk about should just stfu.Dec 07 04:08
schestowitzI could compare systemD to ADs or Cancer, none of us is really ever needed still both of us plaguing humanity since decades. Sadly cretins such as you who think systemD is good are also probably buying everything based on seeing online ADs, TV ADs, radio ADs. That is what they feeding on, that is what they living on to sell stuff to DUMB people such as you.Dec 07 04:08
schestowitzEvery old timers know that systemD does everything wrong on all possible way, it should've never been invented, it solves nothing. Linux is not windows98 that it require constant rebooting, you never reboot a linux box period, and if you still do then your dumb and go cry for systeeemdeeee.Dec 07 04:09
schestowitzThe vote is a nobrainer:Dec 07 04:09
schestowitzroll back to the original sysVinit Dec 07 04:09
schestowitz"Dec 07 04:09
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Former Oracle product manager says he was forced out for refusing to deceive customers. Now he's suing the biz []Dec 07 04:20
oiaohmschestowitz:  Old sysvinit does not have cgroup option properly and does not support pidfd does not support pid recycling...   Basically broken.  Now openrc that would have been another matter.Dec 07 04:26
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schestowitz 07 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: You should not give money to the Gnome Foundation as long as they have clarified if they gonna use Alice or not as… 07 05:36
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schestowitz"You should not give money to the Gnome Foundation as long as they have clarified if they gonna use Alice or not as defense. OIN and IBM are software patent boosters, and want to abolish Alice via the STRONGER patent act  #oin #ibm #alice"Dec 07 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open source case prompts patent troll litigation fears | Data Loading | Patent StrategyDec 07 05:36
schestowitz 07 05:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @ManagingIP @linuxfoundation @Qualcomm @unifiedpatents OIN and IBM hates Alice. They lobby the Gnome Foundation not… 07 05:37
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schestowitzkaniini: will you advise/condone the concept of  running the sites directly from an alpine HV? Is it suitable for such things?Dec 07 07:49
kaniinishould be fineDec 07 07:49
kaniiniI would use separate containers for security thoDec 07 07:49
schestowitzphp, drupal, mariadb etc?Dec 07 07:49
kaniinijust because phpDec 07 07:49
schestowitzoh, I seeDec 07 07:49
schestowitzare you good at setting such things up? Like, during month's end?Dec 07 07:49
schestowitzHV uptime is almost 400 days now, never had uptime since you set it up, unlike the VMsDec 07 07:50
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joe12345678why is there so https version of your website?Dec 07 09:47
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schestowitzjoe12345678: good questionDec 07 10:25
schestowitzwas asked many times beforeDec 07 10:25
schestowitzwe need to move to another OSDec 07 10:26
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scientesXRevan86, that Russia dismissive attitude doesn't just apply to other countriesDec 07 12:18
scientesalso, if you tell a Russian about some business ideas instead of sharing their ideas they act like they don't care about what you just said you care about, so that they can pretend to be better than youDec 07 12:18
scientesits really lameDec 07 12:19
scientesits like you just lost face from trying to talk about common problemsDec 07 12:19
scientesLike I talk about China having too much power and they just dismiss China, as an *alternative* to actually talking about the ideasDec 07 12:20
scientes"If I ignore the problems, they will go away."Dec 07 12:20
scientesI don't know how to respond to this attitudeDec 07 12:22
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XRevan86scientes: Well, might just be out of the scope of that person's interests. It's hard to talk about something without any point of reference too.Dec 07 13:05
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MinceR   ( )Dec 07 13:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why paw prints vanish? - GIF on ImgurDec 07 13:31
MinceR 07 13:37
oiaohmscientes: exactly what do you gain by saying china has too much power.Dec 07 13:38
oiaohmscientes:  also by population china should be more powerful than russia by a factor of 10.Dec 07 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Population by Country (2019) - WorldometersDec 07 13:40
MinceRevery state has too much powerDec 07 13:42
oiaohmThe worse part is with all the population advantage with china is not enough.    China is more up there on automation that  most countries as well.   So they are force multiplying their population productivity.Dec 07 13:43
oiaohmLot of ways its not really that china has too much power.   Its most countries in their production solutions are lagging way behind.Dec 07 13:43
MinceRyeah, the problem is not that red china oppresses its underlings too well, but that the others do notDec 07 13:45
MinceRbut don't worry, neofascists are working worldwide to fix thatDec 07 13:45
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oiaohmMinceR: the fact china goverment is so oppressive means when the government says modernize they do even if it means flatten complete cities and cause internal disputes that they crush.  Dec 07 14:31
MinceRyeah, and "modern" is so great, isn't it?Dec 07 14:32
MinceRwith your systemd, gnome and electron applicationsDec 07 14:32
MinceRand windows and macosDec 07 14:32
MinceRand iosDec 07 14:32
oiaohmChina use to be the largest maker of counterfiet classic old paintings.Dec 07 14:33
oiaohmthose complete cities are basically gone.Dec 07 14:33
MinceRred china can't do more than 1 thing per city?Dec 07 14:34
oiaohmThat why.Dec 07 14:35
oiaohmProducing good quality conterfiet pantings you have human painting and the underlayer that they are painted on specially printed.Dec 07 14:35
MinceRmaybe they should capitulate to the Republic of China thenDec 07 14:35
MinceRthose guys can do everything in TaipeiDec 07 14:36
oiaohmSo the process consumes huge percentage of skilled labour.Dec 07 14:36
oiaohmand a lot of space.Dec 07 14:36
oiaohmYou can have more people making like electronic devices like phones in the same amount of land space by a factor of 10 compare to making paintings.Dec 07 14:37
MinceRyou could make oil paintings with electronic devicesDec 07 14:37
MinceRset up a plotter with brush and oil paints, etc.Dec 07 14:37
oiaohmThat has been tried.    Turns out oil paints not the most friendly beast.   To get good results you need to adjust how the paint is applied based on weather conditions.Dec 07 14:42
MinceRyou could control the climate in the roomDec 07 14:42
oiaohmPer machineDec 07 14:43
MinceRyou could have one room per machine, but i doubt it's necessaryDec 07 14:43
oiaohmUSA customs made the first computer counterfiet painting machine.Dec 07 14:43
oiaohmTurns out its necessary as the apply of solvent on one machine alters the air around the other machines in the same room.Dec 07 14:44
MinceRor you could ventilate them more cleverlyDec 07 14:44
oiaohmAgain this space.Dec 07 14:45
oiaohmmaking copies of painting is not very space effective machine or human.Dec 07 14:45
MinceRthen make enclosed machinesDec 07 14:45
oiaohmHaving to keep the painting enclosed until it dried.   Vs a human who alters how they do it slightly base on weather conduitions are is able to put the painting they have just painted in a open rack to dry.Dec 07 14:46
MinceRor transfer them to drying enclosuresDec 07 14:47
oiaohmBasically the machines to do it effective would need to learn how the human does it.Dec 07 14:47
oiaohmEven humans using drying enclosure learn to alter how they paint stuff based on what is loaded in the drying enclosure.Dec 07 14:48
oiaohmoil paints are a ass for artwork.Dec 07 14:48
oiaohmOne day we may be able to make a smart enough machine to match human in producing fake are dependably but we are not there yet.Dec 07 14:49
oiaohmWorking around the defects just eats space like nothing else.Dec 07 14:50
oiaohmMinceR: basically this is good example how modern can in some cases be worse.Dec 07 14:51
DaemonFC[m]Expensive art is just the way rich people launder money.Dec 07 14:51
oiaohmHaving a printer print the base drawing on the canvas that saved time space and resources. Dec 07 14:52
DaemonFC[m]"You wouldn't shoot a policeman, and then steal his hat, and then go to the toilet in his hat, and then give the hat to his grieving widow, and then steal it again!!!"Dec 07 14:52
DaemonFC[m]Middle class people go bust trying to convince everyone they're rich.Dec 07 14:52
DaemonFC[m]Many rich people are just middle class people who saved their money instead of blowing it on dumb shit.Dec 07 14:53
DaemonFC[m]My husband's family would be rich, except they chose to live in Illinois with three car payments, a dog that bites everyone, and to buy dumb shit they don't even wear at the mall all the time.Dec 07 14:53
oiaohmHaving a printer do the oil paint turned out to be a nightmare.Dec 07 14:53
DaemonFC[m]If she wasn't such a goddamned snob and bouncing around in German car that's broken all the time, she wouldn't be in a mess like she is.Dec 07 14:54
DaemonFC[m]I was living better than they are with my ex because even though our combined income was 5x less, we lived within our means.Dec 07 14:54
DaemonFC[m]You can always spend more money than you have.Dec 07 14:55
DaemonFC[m]He says she can't afford a new car.Dec 07 14:56
DaemonFC[m]I said that's because she's trying to slap her 5 year old BMW that's trying to commit suicide together and even a wheel bearing costs more than a lower engine rebuild on an American car.Dec 07 14:56
oiaohmIf you car is a death trap why does replacement car have to be new.Dec 07 14:57
DaemonFC[m]It'll be something else next month because there isn't anything on a BMW that's built to last more than 5 years, and that's why you see a car with an original MSRP of $60,000 on a lot 8 years later for $3,000.Dec 07 14:57
oiaohmI have never understood those who want to look rich.Dec 07 14:57
DaemonFC[m]You know they're bad cars when they cost more than an American car that's twice as old that sold for 40%  less to begin with.Dec 07 14:58
DaemonFC[m]oiaohm: Well, it's true that a 17 year old Impala will never be perfect again, it might be "good enough" to drive for another 5-7 years without absolutely murdering you.Dec 07 14:59
DaemonFC[m]You never even see 17 year old BMWs, period, because nobody can justify the constant repairs when they're 7-8.Dec 07 14:59
oiaohmI have seen some 17 year old BMW here in Australia but they are insane.Dec 07 15:00
DaemonFC[m]So your 2003 Chevy car throws a fit and 15 problems crop up, and you go through $4,000 at a local shop.Dec 07 15:00
DaemonFC[m]And eventually it calms down.Dec 07 15:00
oiaohmWhen I say insane I mean insane.Dec 07 15:00
DaemonFC[m]Her car has already gone way past $4,000 in repairs and it's barely past the warranty.Dec 07 15:00
oiaohmThe top of the BMW was kept and a complete holden underframe was put under them.Dec 07 15:00
oiaohmSo no BMW drive train or engine or suspention.Dec 07 15:00
MinceR:>Dec 07 15:00
MinceRthat probably helps, but it's still uglyDec 07 15:01
DaemonFC[m]BMW had some decent cars.Dec 07 15:01
DaemonFC[m]But they were all gone by the end of the 90s for sure.Dec 07 15:01
MinceRwhat, did they buy some competitors' products? :>Dec 07 15:01
DaemonFC[m]And frankly, everything was a lot better in the 90s than it is now.Dec 07 15:01
DaemonFC[m]The use it and throw it over your shoulder into the trash bin Apple mentality took over.Dec 07 15:01
DaemonFC[m]And now people are accustomed to things that don't last.Dec 07 15:01
oiaohmNow that we don't have a holden plant here those conversions cannot be done any more.Dec 07 15:01
oiaohmSo those coverted BMW are quite collectable.Dec 07 15:02
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The reason iPhone screens break a lot is because people are too cheap to properly repair them if it happens once.Dec 07 15:02
DaemonFC[m]So they take it to one of those Mohammmed Jihad kiosks down at the mall and get a $40 screen repair.Dec 07 15:03
DaemonFC[m]And then you're really in trouble every time it falls on the  ground.Dec 07 15:03
oiaohmNo even if you a proper screen repair on the iphone it does not fix the design defect why the screen broke in the first place.Dec 07 15:03
DaemonFC[m]The $40 glass repair can't help, I'd imagine.Dec 07 15:04
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I've seen some 1995 BMWs that are still out there.Dec 07 15:04
oiaohmThat of wanting no bezel around screen so you have side impacts on the glass where it the weakest. Dec 07 15:04
DaemonFC[m]But the interesting thing is that sometime in the early 2000s, quality went downhill fast and they're just not a car you can depend on anymore.Dec 07 15:05
oiaohmYou will notice most iphone screens are shattered from a edge.Dec 07 15:05
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: That's not to say that replacement parts aren't expensive, just that the whole car isn't trying to kill itself at the same time.Dec 07 15:05
MinceRthe good way to fix broken hypePhone screens: get a real phoneDec 07 15:05
oiaohmSo replace the screen and put it in decent case to protect from side impacts and the screen replacement will not need doing again.Dec 07 15:06
DaemonFC[m]My sister-in-law hasn't caught on that since BMW didn't design anything on hers to last more than 5 years, it simply does not matter how many issues she fixes.Dec 07 15:06
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: some people even keep some eastern bloc crap running nowadays. doesn't mean they're good cars.Dec 07 15:06
oiaohmMinceR: this problem is true for a lot of the glass screens on phones.Dec 07 15:06
oiaohmMinceR: of course plastic screens have a scratching problem.Dec 07 15:06
DaemonFC[m]It's like trying to pour out a bit of expired milk and replace that bit with fresh milk to make it all good again.Dec 07 15:06
MinceRoiaohm: only if you don't take care of your expensive devicesDec 07 15:06
MinceRthe only time i broke the screen on a phone i owned was when i tripped and fell on the phoneDec 07 15:07
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: BMW is fairly reliable for about 5 years and then they're not.Dec 07 15:07
MinceRlolDec 07 15:07
DaemonFC[m]You don't want to have one past the warranty, and most people realize that.Dec 07 15:07
DaemonFC[m]Which is why 90% of them are leased.Dec 07 15:07
oiaohmMinceR: and I guess the phones you have had have not been the insane ones with zero bezel.Dec 07 15:08
MinceRno, that's why most cars people own are not BMWDec 07 15:08
MinceRoiaohm: indeedDec 07 15:08
DaemonFC[m]You turn it in every 3 years and they always see you driving the latest model.Dec 07 15:08
MinceRoiaohm: also, if i find the back to be too slippery, i put a case on itDec 07 15:08
oiaohmMinceR: if phone as zero bezel you better be planing to put it in a case.Dec 07 15:08
MinceRwhich is the case usuallyDec 07 15:08
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I drove a 1987 Mercedes once with 77,000 miles on it.Dec 07 15:08
DaemonFC[m]It sounded awful.Dec 07 15:08
MinceR:>Dec 07 15:09
MinceRonce i drove an old opel astraDec 07 15:09
DaemonFC[m]I was young and didn't understand that German cars are for snobs who don't keep them longer than the lease.Dec 07 15:09
MinceRit had the shittiest transmission i ever experiencedDec 07 15:09
DaemonFC[m]So I went to check one out. Didn't buy it.Dec 07 15:09
MinceRit was like i was hunting for gears in a cauldronDec 07 15:09
MinceRi eventually gave up on trying to find gear 4Dec 07 15:09
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: so it was not a nice 1987 Mercedes with supercharger.Dec 07 15:09
MinceRwhy, do mercedeses with superchargers sound better?Dec 07 15:10
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: the one without supercharger I know does not sound great.Dec 07 15:10
oiaohmMinceR: the engine was designed to have a supercharger so that level of engine presure.Dec 07 15:10
MinceR 07 15:10
oiaohmWithout that it runs quite badly.Dec 07 15:10
DaemonFC[m]Well, the result of people getting rid of a 3 year old car all the time is that the market for used is pretty fucked.Dec 07 15:10
MinceRoiaohm: and then they sold versions of that engine without a supercharger?Dec 07 15:10
oiaohmMinceR: yep.Dec 07 15:11
MinceRoiaohm: german engineering!Dec 07 15:11
DaemonFC[m]She's such an idiot that she could only sell it for $3,000 but she's put over $10,000 in trying to fix it and it's still not right.Dec 07 15:11
MinceRgerman engineering! >> 07 15:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I Crushed an Audi and a Kia with My Land Rover Defender - YouTubeDec 07 15:11
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: People never learn.Dec 07 15:13
DaemonFC[m]I told my mom I budgeted in more repairs for the Impala.Dec 07 15:13
DaemonFC[m]She's like "What do you mean?".Dec 07 15:13
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Well, it's a 17 year old car. We haven't heard the end of this.".Dec 07 15:13
DaemonFC[m]If she does go to a mechanic they'll fix the one thing she complained about and ignore 15 other problems.Dec 07 15:14
oiaohmMinceR: that video the Audi is also one of the cars that here in Australia would have a complete holden/gm under body replacement.Dec 07 15:14
MinceR:)Dec 07 15:14
oiaohmMinceR: including engine.Dec 07 15:14
MinceRunderstandableDec 07 15:14
oiaohmThe inside of that car is great.Dec 07 15:14
DaemonFC[m]So the engine isn't leaking oil anymore, but the wheel has so much play it looks like what happened to th Family Truckster from Vacation. Dec 07 15:14
oiaohmThe engine and drive train is total crap.Dec 07 15:14
MinceRis it?Dec 07 15:14
DaemonFC[m]Oh, Audis are notoriously bad cars.Dec 07 15:15
DaemonFC[m]Probably worse than a BMW if you can measure that.Dec 07 15:15
oiaohmAudi knows how to make interiors. Dec 07 15:15
DaemonFC[m]Consumer Reports did and FIAT/Chrysler was actually one of only two companies that was worse than BMW for reliability.Dec 07 15:15
DaemonFC[m]And people in America are wising up to FIAT.Dec 07 15:15
MinceReven quattro fails :>Dec 07 15:15
DaemonFC[m]They only sold 1,500 cars in the US last year.Dec 07 15:15
oiaohmAudi making engines is a pure nightmare.Dec 07 15:15
MinceR 07 15:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Audi Q2 Quattro vs Suzuki Vitara All Grip Select - 4x4 test on rollers - YouTubeDec 07 15:16
oiaohmAudi suspendion system is not much better.Dec 07 15:16
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: GM fell from #16 to #23 for reliability in the last 5 years.Dec 07 15:16
DaemonFC[m]People who have bought a GM car recently say things like "It was the biggest mistake I've ever made. I've got 77,000 miles on it and I'm on the third transmission.".Dec 07 15:17
DaemonFC[m]So GM now is like Chrysler was in 2003.Dec 07 15:17
DaemonFC[m]Doesn't surprise me.Dec 07 15:17
oiaohmHolden here in Australian was known for making great engines great drive trains good to great suspentions and a interer that you would not wish on your worst enemy at times.Dec 07 15:17
DaemonFC[m]In the mid 2000s GM decided that they needed new body designs, so they hired that idiot who made the hideous PT Cruiser.Dec 07 15:18
oiaohmRight down to new car having the door handles come off.Dec 07 15:18
oiaohmon the inside.Dec 07 15:18
MinceRif it's something i would not wish on my worst enemy, it's got to be goodDec 07 15:19
oiaohmTake a Audi body join it gm/holden under you get a very good car.Dec 07 15:19
MinceRor i could just buy a japanese car and not have to modify itDec 07 15:19
oiaohmand something that at times really confuses the heck out of those servicing it.Dec 07 15:19
MinceRand get a very good car, for a lot lessDec 07 15:19
DaemonFC[m]I ended up deleting Facebook again because my sister-in-law can dish it out but she sure can't take it.Dec 07 15:20
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, it was affecting Mandy's opinion of me more than it was of her.Dec 07 15:20
DaemonFC[m]So this denies her a forum anyway.Dec 07 15:20
oiaohmMinceR: depends on the time frame particular time frames japan cars here in Australa were know for rusting out in a year or 2.Dec 07 15:20
DaemonFC[m]Eventually, she'll just run out of shit to bitch about and go back to paying to have tap water delivered and more shoes than Imelda Marcos. Dec 07 15:21
oiaohmAudi upper body of car is good well coated against rust and very decently designed.Dec 07 15:21
MinceRso it should be new enough, of courseDec 07 15:21
DaemonFC[m]Eh, I might just go back to a flip phone for emergencies anyway.Dec 07 15:22
DaemonFC[m]The smartphone is a glorified GPS/MP3 player that lets you see what toxic people are saying about you toay on Facebook.Dec 07 15:22
DaemonFC[m]Then again, lower priced Androids are good enough for anything I'm likely to use.Dec 07 15:23
DaemonFC[m]And I'd have to get a Garmin or something anyway for GPS.Dec 07 15:23
MinceRit doesn't need to be a smartphone to have that functionalityDec 07 15:23
MinceReven a hypePhone can do thatDec 07 15:23
DaemonFC[m]He's urging me to get back on Facebook because he's worried that Immigration will be suspicious if I don't have one.Dec 07 15:24
MinceRlolDec 07 15:24
DaemonFC[m]I said, "It's not the law that you have to have a Facebook account. Jesus.".Dec 07 15:24
MinceRstate captureDec 07 15:24
DaemonFC[m]Pretty much.Dec 07 15:25
DaemonFC[m]People sit there and tell the state that they're being good little consumers who just bought a new BMW and five more shopping bags full of shoes.Dec 07 15:25
DaemonFC[m]Totally not harmful. Good for the economy.Dec 07 15:25
DaemonFC[m]Productive!Dec 07 15:25
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I told my husband that the only difference between being on probation and people telling Facebook everything is that I know I'm talking to the malicious government when I meet with probation.Dec 07 15:26
DaemonFC[m]Facebook brings out the worst in people because you're trying to make them all jealous of you even though you're not actually having a good time,Dec 07 15:27
DaemonFC[m]They went to Europe. I'm sure that every tourist trap that serves $15 glasses of frozen orange juice concentrate in Spain got them along the way.Dec 07 15:28
MinceR:>Dec 07 15:29
DaemonFC[m] 07 15:31
DaemonFC[m]Prince Bone Saw condemned the violence, MinceR Dec 07 15:31
DaemonFC[m]It's all good now.Dec 07 15:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pensacola shooting: 8 injured, 3 killed along with gunman; unclear if terrorism, officials say - The Washington PostDec 07 15:31
MinceRlolDec 07 15:32
DaemonFC[m]I usually wouldn't support dropping bombs on a country and then just taking their oil by force.Dec 07 15:34
DaemonFC[m]But if you're going to do that, the Saudis would have been my first pick.Dec 07 15:34
DaemonFC[m]I mean, they're like half of all oil production and they're a terror state.Dec 07 15:35
DaemonFC[m]So, I don't know....seems obvious.Dec 07 15:36
DaemonFC[m]Knock down some of those bariffs and terriers and make the pie higher.Dec 07 15:37
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's sort of interesting that Bush was trying to say free trade would make the economy grow, but then he actually made shit more expensive with bariffs and terriers like Trump did with Jina.Dec 07 15:39
DaemonFC[m]I want my cheap car tires back.Dec 07 15:39
MinceRdamn, is downDec 07 15:39
DaemonFC[m]I can barely manage to keep any of my things every time I have to cut and move.Dec 07 15:40
DaemonFC[m]This last time was the worst of all. I managed to save a stereo and a few personal effects when I had to get out of John's house.Dec 07 15:40
DaemonFC[m]He got my car and furniture.Dec 07 15:40
DaemonFC[m]Next time I move, I don't think I'm going to invest in anything good. I'll just knock it all down and move and buy new stuff, which is what happens anyway.Dec 07 15:41
DaemonFC[m]Every time I'm with someone they turn out to be this fucking piece of shit that damned near ends me and I have to run for my life.Dec 07 15:41
DaemonFC[m]This is actually the first time I've had to get out while someone was at work though.Dec 07 15:42
DaemonFC[m]Normally, I just slap a new set of locks on the door and they get the message.Dec 07 15:42
DaemonFC[m]I would have been better to hide in a hole and spend all my money on me.Dec 07 15:42
DaemonFC[m]I'd be down two criminal records and $80,000 in debt over the years had I just kept to myself and not trusted anyone.Dec 07 15:43
DaemonFC[m]And so Mandy thinks that I'm just some horrible person because I've been beaten up, falsely accused, had all of my stuff taken, given a disease, etc. over the years, and more.Dec 07 15:44
DaemonFC[m]And now I just hate people.Dec 07 15:44
MinceR 07 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Front Line Assembly - Don't Trust Anyone - YouTubeDec 07 15:44
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: My probation officer said she doesn't see any sociopathic tendencies.Dec 07 15:44
DaemonFC[m]I told her, "No, just nearly everyone else I seem to meet. You need to assist them with reprogramming.".Dec 07 15:45
DaemonFC[m]"I'm sure that with plenty of completely voluntary MRT that the state can make them love Big Brother too.".Dec 07 15:45
DaemonFC[m]She's like, "You are fairly sarcastic though...".Dec 07 15:46
MinceR:>Dec 07 15:46
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Well, I don't disagree with you on that.".Dec 07 15:46
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DaemonFC[m]Many sociopaths are highly successful because the world rewards being ready and willing to screw over anyone whenever it suits you.Dec 07 15:47
DaemonFC[m]That's just how it is.Dec 07 15:47
DaemonFC[m]It punishes stopping and helping someone.Dec 07 15:48
DaemonFC[m]It punishes fidelity.Dec 07 15:48
DaemonFC[m]It punishes you for being honest.Dec 07 15:48
MinceRthat's not the world, that's the majority of humansDec 07 15:49
DaemonFC[m]We're told that this is virtuous, but people who do it and take their lumps quickly find out that it's not worth it, and they turn inward.Dec 07 15:49
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Having had plenty of time to reflect on my actions, I could have just said whatever, gone to bed, and loaded up a moving van and left Illinois in an orderly fashion the next day Shithead was at work.Dec 07 15:50
DaemonFC[m]I doubt I'll ever be able to forgive myself for wasting years of my life and letting it get to that point.Dec 07 15:51
DaemonFC[m]But it can't be undone, so have to find a way to move on and bury the trauma like everything else.Dec 07 15:51
DaemonFC[m]It's not exactly just the criminal charges themselves. That turned into a fat bunch of not a hell of a lot in the end.Dec 07 15:52
DaemonFC[m]But I spent $80,000 I do not have fighting it down to not nuclear Armageddon and living in a hotel. Dec 07 15:53
DaemonFC[m]I figure if I don't get out of here soon, I never will.Dec 07 15:53
DaemonFC[m]So court has to go right on Monday so that I won't be stuck on Illinois probation through August. Dec 07 15:53
DaemonFC[m]The only person in the world right now who has my back is my lawyer.Dec 07 16:05
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DaemonFC[m]I didn't even pay him much by lawyer standards, and he has bent over backwards to help me. I paid him what he asked for, but he went out of his way to help me when most lawyers out there don't even answer the phone if you need to talk or bill you another $200 for a 5 minute phone call.Dec 07 16:06
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: That's what shocks me about lawyers, right?Dec 07 16:21
DaemonFC[m]A lot of them charge twice that much and then, as Robin Williams said in Mrs. Doubtfire, "You didn't even say anything. You just sat there while the judge imposed that despicable sentence!".Dec 07 16:22
DaemonFC[m]At least with most things you get what you pay for, but I'm not even sure why a lot of people don't just take the Public Defender.Dec 07 16:23
DaemonFC[m]If you have to pay three or four grand for some guy that's probably not going to say anything while the judge imposes some despicable sentence.Dec 07 16:23
DaemonFC[m]The state lets you have an attorney so that the process seems "fair".Dec 07 16:23
DaemonFC[m]But then most of them don't lift a finger to help you. It's like that episode of Star Trek: Enterprise where the Klingons have the trial of Captain Archer and they give him a "lawyer" whose job is to show up drunk and not say anything.Dec 07 16:24
DaemonFC[m]Like the Klingon court, the American ones might have been fair at some point, but they're definitely more interested in appearing fair now.Dec 07 16:26
DaemonFC[m]And the 90% conviction rate in a system that supposedly gives the defendant the benefit of every possible doubt backs that up.Dec 07 16:26
DaemonFC[m]I heard a radio ad for lawyers on my way back home this morning.Dec 07 16:26
DaemonFC[m]"We've helped doctors, and nurses, and this and that and blah blah blah."Dec 07 16:27
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Well it's nice to see that it's not personal. If the state is pulling nurses and doctors out of their homes and falsely accusing them too, that's fair in a certain sense."Dec 07 16:27
DaemonFC[m]It almost does seem random.Dec 07 16:28
DaemonFC[m]If the government wants to have a campaign of fear and intimidation going on, pulling people into court on charges that have nothing to do with reality is a good way to go about it.Dec 07 16:29
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: A lot of states have "zero tolerance laws" on things.Dec 07 16:30
DaemonFC[m]Basically, some politician thought it was a good idea to "get tough" on people.Dec 07 16:30
DaemonFC[m]So if you have a quarter of a can of beer's worth of alcohol in you, it can be drunk driving.Dec 07 16:30
DaemonFC[m]How much does even once can of beer affect a person's driving? Not much. About like being awake for a few more hours than you actually have been.Dec 07 16:31
DaemonFC[m]In fact, it isn't illegal to drive a car on your 3rd day with no sleep.Dec 07 16:31
DaemonFC[m]Even though it's worse than being drunk, you're not legally impaired.Dec 07 16:31
DaemonFC[m]Many common medications say "Take care when driving or operating machinery.".Dec 07 16:32
DaemonFC[m]Again, not legal impairment.Dec 07 16:32
DaemonFC[m]Indiana actually puts people on trial for intoxicated driving because they smoked a joint two weeks ago and they had residual THC in their system.Dec 07 16:33
DaemonFC[m]They make driving a "privilege", that way if you refuse a blood or breathalyzer test, you can, but you'll lose your license for a year.Dec 07 16:34
DaemonFC[m]If you know you have something in your system, you should refuse one, because jail for a year is worse than figuring out how to get around for a yearDec 07 16:34
DaemonFC[m]It's difficult to make a DUI charge stick if all the officer says is that he suspect, but could not prove, you were under the influence of something.Dec 07 16:35
DaemonFC[m]Example: You were a little tired and went over the center lane marker for a second.Dec 07 16:36
DaemonFC[m]A cop pulls you over and makes you do a field sobriety test.Dec 07 16:36
DaemonFC[m]You pass, but then he demands blood.Dec 07 16:36
DaemonFC[m]You smoked a joint two days ago.Dec 07 16:36
DaemonFC[m]If you give him blood, he can't charge you with possession of marijuana, but he can go ahead and slap the handcuffs on you and book you on DUI.Dec 07 16:37
MinceR07 173018 < DaemonFC[m]> Basically, some politician thought it was a good idea to "get tough" on people.Dec 07 16:37
MinceRthat's what turns authoritarians onDec 07 16:37
DaemonFC[m]If you refuse, you don't get charged with anything, but a letter comes from the DMV stating you lost your license and you can ask for it back next year.Dec 07 16:37
MinceRand there are lots of authoritariansDec 07 16:37
DaemonFC[m]Not having a driver's license for 12 months is not as bad as being arrested, charged with a Class A Misdemeanor, getting convicted, losing your license anyway (but for 2 years this time), criminal fines, court ordered "therapy", probation. A grab bag of whatever the judge feels like doing to you that day..... :PDec 07 16:39
DaemonFC[m]The automatic loss of license is their way of saying "You can exercise your constitutional right to not help us convict you of a crime, but you will be punished for doing that.".Dec 07 16:40
DaemonFC[m]So, it's clear that this is not okay, but nobody will do anything about it.Dec 07 16:40
MinceR07 173410 < DaemonFC[m]> They make driving a "privilege", that way if you refuse a blood or breathalyzer test, you can, but you'll lose your license for a year.Dec 07 16:40
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's actually harmful to invoke your right to remain silent, but it's way worse to talk to the police.Dec 07 16:41
MinceRsounds a lot like no rule of lawDec 07 16:41
DaemonFC[m]The courts have ruled that they can get in there and tell the jury, "We tried to ask Mr. Farmer what happened, but he said he wouldn't talk to us.".Dec 07 16:41
MinceR07 174104 < DaemonFC[m]> MinceR: It's actually harmful to invoke your right to remain silent, but it's way worse to talk to the police.Dec 07 16:42
DaemonFC[m]The judge will be obligated to say, "Mr. Farmer had the right not to talk to them, and the jury is not to interpret this as evidence of guilt.".Dec 07 16:42
MinceRsounds a lot like there's no constitutionDec 07 16:42
DaemonFC[m]But what do you think they'll think?Dec 07 16:42
DaemonFC[m]In other words, the state is saying "Well, he wouldn't talk to us, which doesn't mean he's guilty, but wouldn't an innocent person protest their innocence?"Dec 07 16:43
DaemonFC[m]If you say anything to a cop, you're wrong.Dec 07 16:43
DaemonFC[m]Don't say anything to them.Dec 07 16:43
DaemonFC[m]The British version of the Miranda warning is "You do not have to say anything during questioning, but if you later rely on something that you didn't tell us, it may harm your defense.".Dec 07 16:44
DaemonFC[m]:)Dec 07 16:44
DaemonFC[m]In other words, the prosecution can object to you trying to say what happened later on in court if you didn't talk to the police.Dec 07 16:45
MinceRand without rule of law or constitutionality, a state is even more an abuser of power and oppressor of the people it supposedly serves than it would be with themDec 07 16:45
DaemonFC[m]So if you have anything to say to clear your good name, and you didn't tell it to the police at the station, good luck.Dec 07 16:45
MinceRit is simply not defensible to maintain such a state or to surrender people's human rights to such a stateDec 07 16:45
DaemonFC[m]And while you were doing that, you'll of course panic and say 3 or 4 things that come back to haunt you.Dec 07 16:45
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Nice, huh?Dec 07 16:46
DaemonFC[m]It's hard to know what to do, in the British system.Dec 07 16:46
DaemonFC[m]Because talk to the police or not talking to the police can damage your case badly.Dec 07 16:46
DaemonFC[m]In the US system, you can refuse to talk to them, go over everything with your lawyer, and _then_ and only then, approach the state, through your lawyer, and say "This is my statement.".Dec 07 16:47
MinceRleave the uk before they get their hands on youDec 07 16:48
DaemonFC[m]If you talk to the police, you're free to stop talking to them at any time in the US system.Dec 07 16:48
DaemonFC[m]In the UK, if you start talking, you may not selectively answer their questions.Dec 07 16:48
DaemonFC[m]You either agree to answer everything, not knowing what they'll ask.Dec 07 16:48
DaemonFC[m]Or you say you're not talking to them at all.Dec 07 16:48
DaemonFC[m]The police in the US will take advantage of you by trying to trip you up though.Dec 07 16:49
DaemonFC[m]They can ask leading questions until they work you into a corner.Dec 07 16:49
DaemonFC[m]At this point you'll either contradict yourself or "He stopped talking at that point.".Dec 07 16:49
DaemonFC[m]So if you decide to answer some of their questions, there will come a time shortly where it's too late.Dec 07 16:50
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, hopefully I get off this stupid probation on Monday.Dec 07 16:52
DaemonFC[m]They say I complied, the probation "contract" says if I'm in compliance they'll let me go.Dec 07 16:52
DaemonFC[m]So who knows?Dec 07 16:52
DaemonFC[m]If I have to stay in Illinois for 8 more months I might just take a bath with the toaster. (Joke)Dec 07 16:53
DaemonFC[m]I don't like it here at all.Dec 07 16:53
DaemonFC[m]I'm not holding up very well, to be honest. I'm broke. I'm depressed.Dec 07 16:57
DaemonFC[m]The only thing that motivates me now is to get out of here and go home.Dec 07 16:57
DaemonFC[m]To that effect I was able to convince my psychiatrist that I'm taking all of this in stride so he'd write a letter to probation and they wouldn't make any more demands.Dec 07 16:58
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DaemonFC[m]Nice kitty!! Good kitty!!!Dec 07 17:07
DaemonFC[m]Starts looking for a doorDec 07 17:07
DaemonFC[m]How do you keep one of those as a pet. It's not even legal.Dec 07 17:07
MinceRprobably depends on the jurisdictionDec 07 17:08
MinceR 07 17:10
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DaemonFC[m] 07 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This Is Why BMW's Are So "Unreliable" - YouTubeDec 07 17:12
DaemonFC[m]"How you drive the car, how you maintain the car..."Dec 07 17:12
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, those are factors in any vehicle's longevity.Dec 07 17:13
DaemonFC[m]If you abuse a Ford, it won't last as long as a BMW that you're Johnny on the spot with.Dec 07 17:13
DaemonFC[m]But when you buy a car that starts out at 30/32 on reliability.Dec 07 17:13
DaemonFC[m]Taking care of it doesn't really matter in the long run.Dec 07 17:13
DaemonFC[m]You can take care of it or you can just buy it new and drive it into the ground. Actually, driving it into the ground might cost less than trying to save a BMW.Dec 07 17:14
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DaemonFC[m]Minis are very bad cars.Dec 07 17:14
DaemonFC[m]Women buy them because they're cute, which is an awful reason to get anything.Dec 07 17:14
schestowitzexpensiveDec 07 17:14
schestowitzI don't know why they cost so muchDec 07 17:14
DaemonFC[m]Then the engine blows up 30,000 miles later.Dec 07 17:14
MinceRof course they're very bad cars, they're made by BMWDec 07 17:15
schestowitzin-movie  marketing?Dec 07 17:15
schestowitzAustin?Dec 07 17:15
DaemonFC[m]Some of the older ones were cool.Dec 07 17:15
MinceRit was hilarious when BMW partnered with peugeot to design an engineDec 07 17:15
DaemonFC[m]The newer ones have all of this cheaply made bullshit. The car wash takes the bumper off a car you just bought.Dec 07 17:15
DaemonFC[m]That sort of thing.Dec 07 17:15
MinceRnaturally, it turned out to be a famously bad engineDec 07 17:15
schestowitzNausX: look at those carpetsDec 07 17:16
schestowitzdoes this kitty know he might be next to be skinned and served to a bigger kitty?Dec 07 17:16
DaemonFC[m]The Impala isn't exactly in perfect condition.Dec 07 17:17
DaemonFC[m]But the powertrain is holding up quite well for a 17 year old car with 265,000 miles on it.Dec 07 17:17
DaemonFC[m]The transmission shifts just as well as a new car.Dec 07 17:17
DaemonFC[m]The engine runs pretty okay after it warms up.Dec 07 17:17
MinceR07 181245 < DaemonFC[m]> 07 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This Is Why BMW's Are So "Unreliable" - YouTubeDec 07 17:18
MinceRso far it took him 1 minute to say nothingDec 07 17:18
DaemonFC[m]There's something rattling around in the dash when the heater's on.Dec 07 17:18
DaemonFC[m]All pretty minor stuff really.Dec 07 17:18
DaemonFC[m]I did backport some new car stuff to it.Dec 07 17:19
DaemonFC[m]Iridium plugs, synthetic 0w30 oil, AGM car battery.Dec 07 17:19
DaemonFC[m]Stuff that actually was an improvement.Dec 07 17:19
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, he's apologizing for it and then saying he owns one, but it's poorly designed.Dec 07 17:19
DaemonFC[m]But he loves it.Dec 07 17:20
DaemonFC[m]"Blink if you're okay. Is it hurting you?"Dec 07 17:20
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I think it's pretty funny, really, that a 2011 BMW 3 series has as much remaining value as a 17 year old Impala.Dec 07 17:20
DaemonFC[m]With 3 times the mileage.....Dec 07 17:21
DaemonFC[m]These things are priced based on how much of a pain in the ass it's going to be to own it at that age.Dec 07 17:21
DaemonFC[m]The Impala actually is less of a pain in the ass.Dec 07 17:21
DaemonFC[m]Because a repair that costs $950 on a BMW 3 series is $270 on an Impala.Dec 07 17:21
DaemonFC[m]So, basically you could have three times as much shit going wrong with an Impala than a BMW before the TCO is even between the two.Dec 07 17:22
DaemonFC[m]But in reality, it's going to be three times as much shit going wrong with the BMW, each with a 300% price tag vs. the "same problem" with a regular car.Dec 07 17:23
DaemonFC[m]"There's an unreasonable amount of plastic for a car that cost $60,000.".Dec 07 17:25
DaemonFC[m]The Kia had that cheap foam and recycled pop bottle interior too, and it ran $18,500 MSRP on the Plus model.Dec 07 17:25
DaemonFC[m]It had an advantage over BMW that when you pop the hood on the Kia, there's room for mechanics to work on it, and there's not plastic shit running everywhere on that that's going to break and crack later.Dec 07 17:26
DaemonFC[m]It also has the advantage that most people who buy an $18,500 Kia Soul and do basic car care on it get 200,000 trouble free miles.Dec 07 17:27
DaemonFC[m]So it's an $18,500 car that lives on for quite some time.Dec 07 17:27
DaemonFC[m]Which a $60,000 luxury German car will never do.Dec 07 17:27
DaemonFC[m]I wouldn't say the Kia Soul was the best designed car ever.Dec 07 17:28
DaemonFC[m]I'd like to drive off the lot with a brand new Crown Victoria, but they don't make them anymore.Dec 07 17:28
danielp3344DaemonFC: used crown vics are cheapDec 07 17:28
DaemonFC[m]If every car lasted 400,000 miles on the original powertrain, Ford would be in real trouble, which is the real reason they got rid of it.Dec 07 17:28
danielp3344I see them for $300-400 all the time hereDec 07 17:28
danielp3344usually ready to drive awayDec 07 17:28
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, my 1996 cost me $2,000 in 2013.Dec 07 17:29
DaemonFC[m]Should have just drove that forever.Dec 07 17:29
DaemonFC[m]The paint looked pretty dull, but I could have resprayed it.Dec 07 17:29
danielp3344:'(Dec 07 17:29
danielp3344DaemonFC: if you could buy a 1966 mustang new today would you?Dec 07 17:29
danielp334464*Dec 07 17:30
DaemonFC[m]I like the ones with the Modular V8, really.Dec 07 17:30
DaemonFC[m]Those old engines really aren't too impressive.Dec 07 17:30
danielp3344DaemonFC: I have to agree thereDec 07 17:30
DaemonFC[m]They need constant attention and they're comically underpowered gas guzzlers by today's standards.Dec 07 17:30
danielp3344Coolest engine swap I ever saw was a 5.4 3v into a 60s stangDec 07 17:30
danielp3344DaemonFC: you'd be surprised, some of them could get 20+MPGDec 07 17:31
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danielp3344in stick ofcDec 07 17:31
DaemonFC[m]I get 21.5 mpg with mostly city driving in a 2003 Impala with the 3800 V6.Dec 07 17:31
DaemonFC[m]And that's with this Reformulated Gas they sell in Illinois.Dec 07 17:32
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: there is a gemran car brand that is dependable its the Porsche.    But its parts are horrible expensive.Dec 07 17:32
danielp3344DaemonFC: I've seen people getting 30+ MPG in the 80s f150s with a 5spdDec 07 17:32
DaemonFC[m]If you're not as worried about air pollution, you can run them on cheaper Indiana gas.Dec 07 17:32
DaemonFC[m]Probably get another mile per gallon or so.Dec 07 17:32
DaemonFC[m]The gas has to be formulated with more oxygenates, so it reduces your miles per gallon so that you don't put out as much smog/particulates when you drive your car.Dec 07 17:34
DaemonFC[m]About 30% of the country is either using RFG because of mandates, or has opted in.Dec 07 17:34
DaemonFC[m]I don't think Diesel is ever going to be a big thing in American cars.Dec 07 17:35
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: please note Porsche is the only one of the German makers that have if the car shows any lemon issues in the first 5 years of usage its total free replacement with new with a total restart to warranty.Dec 07 17:35
DaemonFC[m]Every diesel car in the US ever has been an unmitigated disaster.Dec 07 17:35
oiaohmI don't know of many car companies that have a lemon clause in there car waranty like Porsche.Dec 07 17:36
DaemonFC[m]They pushed them real hard in Europe, but then it was found that VW Clean Diesel was a big lie and worse than any kind of gasoline, and gas engines are becoming as efficient as diesel ones.Dec 07 17:36
DaemonFC[m]So it's not going to take off here.Dec 07 17:36
oiaohmas it means you have to make decent cars.Dec 07 17:36
DaemonFC[m]The Porsche costs so much money that it's not a fake rich car for posers like Been to Most Workship cars are.Dec 07 17:36
MinceRthey still suckDec 07 17:37
MinceRand the manufacturer's attitude also sucksDec 07 17:37
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: :)Dec 07 17:37
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it doesn't make Porsche a good car.Dec 07 17:37
DaemonFC[m]It just means you paid so much for the damned thing that they can swallow the occasional TOTAL LEMON.Dec 07 17:38
oiaohmThe lemon with Porsche warranty if you get one of those is a new car until they deliver one that works right. Dec 07 17:38
DaemonFC[m]GM really really doesn't like recalling and fixing their cars properly.Dec 07 17:39
DaemonFC[m]They absolutely will not do it unless it's a safety issue and the government makes them do it.Dec 07 17:39
MinceRthey won't deliver one that works right because they can't design one that works rightDec 07 17:39
DaemonFC[m]They closed the book on these Luminas and Impalas years ago and now they have to spend hundreds per car fixing them?Dec 07 17:39
MinceR>costs tens of millions of HUFDec 07 17:39
DaemonFC[m]They hate that.Dec 07 17:40
MinceR>no android auto in the infotainment systemDec 07 17:40
MinceR>$(date +%Y)Dec 07 17:40
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: the stupid part is the cheapest Porsche models are cheaper than the BMW that people buy that break all the time.Dec 07 17:40
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Been to Most Workshops was considering another nuisance fee to charge people extra for Apple Carplay.Dec 07 17:40
DaemonFC[m]Which a Kia has for free.Dec 07 17:40
DaemonFC[m]All of these advanced BMW luxury features happened on Chevys and Kias for years.Dec 07 17:41
DaemonFC[m]Recycled pop bottle interior? Yeah.Dec 07 17:41
DaemonFC[m]CD player and no aux port? Check.Dec 07 17:41
DaemonFC[m]So a BMW now gets you what came with a 2008 Kia.Dec 07 17:41
oiaohmPlease note clean diesel has been proven on to be possible.    Problem is VW Clean Diesel saved 10000 USD per car on parts that were required so it could be a true clean diesel and attempted to hide it by rigging the computer.Dec 07 17:42
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I asked my mechanic if they can work on BMWs.Dec 07 17:42
DaemonFC[m]He said yeah. Asked me if I had one. I said no, but my sister in law made that mistake.Dec 07 17:43
DaemonFC[m]I was just wondering if he could save her any money vs. going to the Been to Most Workshops Stealership.Dec 07 17:43
MinceRconsidering? they announced they were chargingDec 07 17:43
MinceRdid 2008 kias ignite themselves and burn down?Dec 07 17:43
DaemonFC[m]He said, "Not much. We have to get a lot of parts at dealer prices anyway and the labor hours on those things add up. She'd save some money because we charge like $90 an hour less than they do.Dec 07 17:44
DaemonFC[m]Check.Dec 07 17:44
DaemonFC[m]Check engine! "Uh, yeah, looks like someone light up thermite plasma. Maybe I should get out of the car.".Dec 07 17:45
DaemonFC[m]*litDec 07 17:45
MinceRlolDec 07 17:45
DaemonFC[m]See, Kia not only has the advanced BMW CD player and pop bottle/styrofoam interior.Dec 07 17:45
MinceR:>Dec 07 17:45
DaemonFC[m]But it also bursts into flames at less than a third the price of a Tesla.Dec 07 17:46
DaemonFC[m]What a savings....Dec 07 17:46
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Funny story about the Killed In Action going up in flames.Dec 07 17:46
DaemonFC[m]I read a story in the paper about the fire dept going out to extinguish a Kia Soul here in Lake County.Dec 07 17:47
DaemonFC[m]At the time I still had mine, so I'm like "Oh no, not another one.".Dec 07 17:47
DaemonFC[m]Because they said it was a 2018, and mine was a 2018.Dec 07 17:47
DaemonFC[m]And then it continued, "The lake county prosecutor charged the owner with arson and malicious mischief....".Dec 07 17:47
DaemonFC[m]I'm like, "That's not right. I mean, the things are defective and burning up and....".Dec 07 17:48
DaemonFC[m]"....after it was determined that he was angry at the car for breaking down all the time..."Dec 07 17:48
DaemonFC[m]I'm like, "Well, generally Kia has an okay reliability rating....What happened?".Dec 07 17:48
DaemonFC[m]"...the man told police that he was angry when the car ran out of gasoline on him again, so he went to the nearest station, bought a gallon of gas, and set his own car on fire....."Dec 07 17:49
DaemonFC[m]"Uhhh, that'll teach it to run out of gas!!!"Dec 07 17:49
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Just another reminder that our prejudices color our worldview and we should really listen to the whole story.Dec 07 17:50
scientesWhat is the best course of action after arguing for a technical solution, and the people in charge choose a different a fundamentally wrong solution?Dec 07 17:51
scientes*andDec 07 17:51
scientesthat years later they will regretDec 07 17:51
DaemonFC[m]Well, for years mom's gas gauge on this Impala didn't work and she just filled up every 250 miles or so.Dec 07 17:52
MinceRscientes: forkDec 07 17:52
DaemonFC[m]Then when the fuel pump failed entirely and they had to drop the tank to get a new one, the mechanic told her "Well, you're gas gauge works again!".Dec 07 17:52
oiaohmI still remember one car who gas gauge read inverted.Dec 07 17:52
DaemonFC[m]I told her that the fuel sender gets crapped up with sulfur and she probably had that happen, and some PEA would have cleaned it off.Dec 07 17:53
DaemonFC[m]The GM dealers sell their own PEA detergent, but it's like 3 times more expensive than Gumout with PEA.Dec 07 17:53
scientesMinceR, its really a problem of a perfectionist control-freakDec 07 17:53
scientesthat always commits to more than he can doDec 07 17:53
DaemonFC[m]It started out on empty and went up to full.Dec 07 17:53
scientesand then when he fails to do it.....Dec 07 17:54
DaemonFC[m]The Been to Most Workshops engineers designed an in-tank solution to turning CO2 into gasoline.Dec 07 17:54
DaemonFC[m]I thought this was highly theoretical, but the guys in the lab did it again.Dec 07 17:54
scientesDaemonFC[m], the problem is not whether you can do it, but whether is completely defeats the purposeDec 07 17:55
scientesbecause it requires so much energyDec 07 17:55
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, well, the idea is that it wouldn't require changes to existing vehicles.Dec 07 17:55
DaemonFC[m]And you could produce the stuff at plants that use solar energy or something, right?Dec 07 17:55
DaemonFC[m]Wind?Dec 07 17:55
DaemonFC[m]Suck CO2 out of the air using factories running on sunlight and run your cars on the fuel that gets produced from it.Dec 07 17:56
DaemonFC[m]Or at least,that's what the article I was reading implied.Dec 07 17:56
DaemonFC[m]Could just be another industry smokescreen because it's easier to pump dead dino out of the ground.Dec 07 17:56
DaemonFC[m]Besides, when they turn Earth int o Venus 2, as MinceR put it, there's going to be more CO2 to capture and do GTL on! :)Dec 07 17:57
DaemonFC[m]So it will be more economical for the survivors.Dec 07 17:57
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I figured everyone who bought a BMW on some level knew what this was when the relationship began.Dec 07 17:58
DaemonFC[m]But my sister in law is dumb enough to throw thousand dollar bills at the stealership to throw parts at it.Dec 07 17:58
DaemonFC[m]And, of course, the thing has less resale value than what she's spending to make it run, which is why it has less resale value than she's spending to make it work.Dec 07 17:59
DaemonFC[m]They might as well just give up and make BMWs that burn cash to run the carDec 07 18:00
oiaohmscientes:  there have been a few different ways to co2 to something else.   This one is getting really interesting.Dec 07 18:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | E. coli bacteria engineered to eat carbon dioxideDec 07 18:00
MinceR 07 18:00
DaemonFC[m]The BMW air intakes are right next to a hot engine.Dec 07 18:01
DaemonFC[m]Oh, that's funny.Dec 07 18:01
scientesoiaohm, except it doesn't magically make energyDec 07 18:01
scientesand the whole point of gasoline is that it has gazillions of energyDec 07 18:02
scientesso no, its totally boringDec 07 18:02
DaemonFC[m]You want the air to be as cold as possible, which is why any decent car will have the air intake as far away from the engine as possible.Dec 07 18:02
DaemonFC[m]And usually lower down than the engine.Dec 07 18:02
scientesoiaohm, aburrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrridoDec 07 18:02
DaemonFC[m]"Doesn't have a sufficient oil cooler, and the intercooler is insufficient too. Some of them don't even have an oil cooler at all." LOLDec 07 18:03
DaemonFC[m]So basically, this car is designed to overheat.Dec 07 18:04
MinceRor it wasn't designedDec 07 18:04
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: I guess you are refering to this one but this does not produce fuel for existing cars.Dec 07 18:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Engineers Build a Device That Effectively Transforms CO2 Into Liquid FuelDec 07 18:04
DaemonFC[m]They put a beauty cover on it that traps....even more heat.Dec 07 18:04
DaemonFC[m]I took the engine cover off the Impala and the temperature gauge on that dropped quite a bit at temperature.Dec 07 18:05
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: the bacteria one I point at we human have gmo that bacteria to produce all kinds of different things.Dec 07 18:05
DaemonFC[m]And that was just a cheap plastic cover that wasn't very thick or bolted right on top of the engine.Dec 07 18:05
oiaohmSo fuel from CO2 might be possible.Dec 07 18:05
oiaohmwithout needing a massive land area.Dec 07 18:05
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oiaohmand that is fuel we have been using for years.Dec 07 18:06
DaemonFC[m]Most engines don't have 'beauty covers' because they just add heat and cost money to make and add weight to the car.Dec 07 18:06
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DaemonFC[m]Not much weight, but they want to get their CAFE up, so not putting an engine cover in is better than including one.Dec 07 18:06
MinceRthey do reduce noise, thoughDec 07 18:07
DaemonFC[m]Not by a lot.Dec 07 18:07
oiaohmscientes: this research + new e.coli bacteria eat carbon dioxide.  We could be looking down the barrel of something interesting.Dec 07 18:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Special E. coli bacteria produce diesel on demand -- ScienceDailyDec 07 18:07
MinceRare there any bacteria that produce gasoline out of CO2 yet?Dec 07 18:08
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DaemonFC[m]"Expansion tank glued together."Dec 07 18:08
DaemonFC[m]"This is where my BMW was leaking coolant." LOLDec 07 18:08
MinceRthough i suppose you could just crack some carbon chains in that diesel oilDec 07 18:08
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oiaohmMinceR: not yet but e.coli using carbon  dioxide as it food source. If added to the modification that hase e.coli make diesel you are basically in business.Dec 07 18:09
DaemonFC[m]He says his coolant hoses all cracked and drained out all of his coolant when he first got the car.Dec 07 18:09
DaemonFC[m]It's only 10 years old in the video. WTFDec 07 18:09
DaemonFC[m]I've had 20 year old cars with their original coolant hoses and nothing was wrong with the,Dec 07 18:10
DaemonFC[m]*themDec 07 18:10
oiaohmMinceR: CO2+ Water + some heat + right e.coli is absolutely in theory possible to get diesel.Dec 07 18:10
oiaohmMinceR: just putting the right gmo modifications to e.coli in a working solution.Dec 07 18:10
oiaohmCould cause a new form of human death of course in time.Dec 07 18:11
DaemonFC[m]"There's no protection to make sure these vacuum lines don't melt on you.".Dec 07 18:11
DaemonFC[m]:)Dec 07 18:11
DaemonFC[m]"One of the vacuum lines just ripped in half and sent my car into limp mode and for two weeks I had no idea what was wrong with my car."Dec 07 18:12
DaemonFC[m]He drove his car in limp mode for two weeks because of a vacuum line, on a 10 year old Beemer. :PDec 07 18:12
DaemonFC[m]"The valve cover is plastic. It cracks all the time, so when people replace the valve cover gasket, they usually just replace the valve cover with a new one and that's a $400 job.".Dec 07 18:14
DaemonFC[m]The original valve covers on the Impala were metal.Dec 07 18:14
DaemonFC[m]When I got the front gasket replaced under a recall, they replaced it with a plastic one.Dec 07 18:14
DaemonFC[m]But it's new and the car is 17 years old.Dec 07 18:14
DaemonFC[m]It won't be a problem while I own the car.Dec 07 18:14
oiaohmI do wonder the level a hell it could cause if diesel producing from co2 e.coli go spread around a normal city. Dec 07 18:16
oiaohmCould be a solution to the execess co2 problem and the excess human population problem.Dec 07 18:17
DaemonFC[m] 07 18:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Here's Why the 2006 BMW 760LI was Worth $120,000 - YouTubeDec 07 18:19
DaemonFC[m]Buys $120,000 BMW with GDI. Fills it up with discount gasoline. Dec 07 18:20
DaemonFC[m]This will end well.Dec 07 18:20
DaemonFC[m]A heated night vision front camera?Dec 07 18:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: From Moderate Advice to FUD and Misinformation: The Case of a #VPN Vulnerability (CVE-2019-14899) #corporatemedia #fud #gnu #linux []Dec 07 18:23
MinceR 07 18:26
scientesoiaohm, why is that interesting? Plants eat cabon dioxide and that is completely boring.Dec 07 18:26
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Chrysler had the same thing where it was an automatic transmission, but they called it an "autostick" and all that meant was you told the automatic transmission when to shift.Dec 07 18:28
oiaohmscientes: most plants need sunlight or light of some for and lot more other elements to produce stuff.   e.coli heat + water + co2 and you could be in business.Dec 07 18:28
DaemonFC[m]And it would go ahead and do it then instead of when the computer would have.Dec 07 18:28
DaemonFC[m]They're still an automatic transmission, just with worse gas mileage and reliability.Dec 07 18:28
scientesoiaohm,  you mean a catalyst for an endothermic reaction?Dec 07 18:28
DaemonFC[m]Chrysler managed to make a lot of fake it til you make it cars.Dec 07 18:29
DaemonFC[m]And they managed to be as bad as a BMW or worse in many ways.Dec 07 18:29
DaemonFC[m]But at least you didn't spend twice as much on it.Dec 07 18:29
DaemonFC[m]The Sebring and the Dodge Stratus were kind of their attempt at economy gone upscale.Dec 07 18:30
scientesoiaohm, that link doesn't have any information at allDec 07 18:30
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: sounds like a manumaticDec 07 18:30
MinceRi'd prefer an eCVT but couldn't afford one yetDec 07 18:30
MinceRin an SUV, that is (which was more important)Dec 07 18:31
DaemonFC[m]The Stratus wasn't a bad looking little car.Dec 07 18:31
oiaohmscientes: its how e.coli + food materals + heat to produce drugs.   So yes endothermic reactions is what that bacteria get up to power what it doing.Dec 07 18:31
DaemonFC[m]I drove one for a week as a rental, and got some compliments on it.Dec 07 18:31
DaemonFC[m]But it had those notoriously unreliable 2.5 liter Chrysler V6 engines.Dec 07 18:32
oiaohmscientes: and why being able to just use co2 as a food source is a hell of a break though as well.Dec 07 18:32
scientesoiaohm, does the co2 need to be pressurized?Dec 07 18:32
scientesand concentrated?Dec 07 18:32
oiaohmIn that co2 experent it was not pressurized just disolved in water.Dec 07 18:33
scientesso why does such e coli not outcompete algae?Dec 07 18:34
scientesas it doesn't need sunlight?Dec 07 18:34
MinceRdiesel oil is probably not extremely useful to that e coliDec 07 18:34
MinceRso it's rather inefficient when it comes to survival in the wildDec 07 18:34
scientesbut there are bacteria that can eat oilDec 07 18:34
scientesso it could form a mutual relationshipDec 07 18:35
MinceRif those can produce something the e coli can live offDec 07 18:35
*scientes still thinks this is a perpetual motion machineDec 07 18:35
MinceRit isn'tDec 07 18:35
oiaohme.coli is used in drug production because say you have a 1000L tank  light does not get to the middle of it too well but you can heat the tank dependably.Dec 07 18:35
scientesbut doesn't the heat kill the e coliDec 07 18:35
scientesin general heat is not used as a power sourceDec 07 18:35
oiaohmNot as long as you don't get the e coli too hot.Dec 07 18:36
scientesonly a catalystDec 07 18:36
oiaohmWith anything working off e coli you are only aiming for 49°CDec 07 18:36
oiaohmSo not scary level of heat.Dec 07 18:37
oiaohmYes 49c is where e coli is the most productive.Dec 07 18:38
oiaohmThere are places in the earth surface that will give you that.Dec 07 18:38
oiaohmscientes: it could be funny with that e.coli batteria the solution to global warming caused by excess CO2 could be the global warming it self being used to power the bacteria to trap co2 again.Dec 07 18:40
scientesI'm worried about global coolingDec 07 18:41
scientesan ice ageDec 07 18:41
oiaohmYep something like that runs a muck hello ice age in a 100 or so years.Dec 07 18:42
oiaohmIt took as quite some time to start overheating earth.Dec 07 18:42
oiaohmas/usDec 07 18:42
oiaohmIt will take quite some time to turn it around even if we could start now.Dec 07 18:42
MinceR 07 19:05
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DaemonFC[m]"If you are having thoughts of suicide, you should immediately go to the hospital for evaluation and assistance. This is imperative."Dec 07 19:20
DaemonFC[m]LOLDec 07 19:20
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, and when you get the $40,000 bill and more crazy pills, you'll feel much better.Dec 07 19:21
scientesDaemonFC[m], the rest of the world is not so sillyDec 07 19:21
DaemonFC[m]Meanwhile, the stigma of having mental illness will never wash off and people will become more distant from you than they already are.Dec 07 19:21
scientes"having mental illness"Dec 07 19:21
scientesDaemonFC[m], the U.S. doesn't even lock up the truly mentally illDec 07 19:22
scientesand has them walk the streetsDec 07 19:22
DaemonFC[m]"Many people who have attempted suicide comment that they were thankful to have survived."Dec 07 19:22
scientesmeanwhile they put perfectly normal people on drugsDec 07 19:22
DaemonFC[m]I can't imagine being happy that I tried and failed. All that means is that you definitely won't have a choice except to be locked away somewhere until they can't extract more money from you.Dec 07 19:22
scientesand  whole cities of zombies on drugsDec 07 19:22
DaemonFC[m]Then you just get more time here, which is what you were apparently trying to avoid.Dec 07 19:23
scientesDaemonFC[m], yes, the meat generation 07 19:23
scientesyou are either milk or meatDec 07 19:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Meat génération – Le Saker FrancophoneDec 07 19:23
DaemonFC[m]I've been sitting here terribly upset about the mess I've made.Dec 07 19:23
DaemonFC[m]Considering what I can do to make it stop.Dec 07 19:24
scientesDaemonFC[m], you didn't make any messDec 07 19:24
scientesand you cant make it stop except by leavingDec 07 19:24
scientesand they won't stop you from leavingDec 07 19:24
DaemonFC[m]I have to pull myself together to go to court on Monday and maybe they'll let me go.Dec 07 19:24
scientesjust leaveDec 07 19:24
scientesthat is only way to make it stopDec 07 19:24
DaemonFC[m]I hate Illinois.Dec 07 19:24
scientesthen leaveDec 07 19:24
scientesi've been telling you this for monthsDec 07 19:25
DaemonFC[m]If they make me stay here for another 8 months, I think that's all that it will take to push me over the edge.Dec 07 19:25
scientesjust leaveDec 07 19:25
scientesno-one will stop youDec 07 19:25
DaemonFC[m]I'll be on the street by that point.Dec 07 19:25
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, they will.Dec 07 19:25
scientesno they won'tDec 07 19:25
scientesthere are no exit control in the USDec 07 19:25
DaemonFC[m]There will be a probation warrant out if I don't show up in court on Monday.Dec 07 19:25
scientesyou can just buy a plane ticket and leaveDec 07 19:25
DaemonFC[m]Those will get you arrested in Indiana even over misdemeanor probation.Dec 07 19:26
scientesyou do need a passportDec 07 19:26
DaemonFC[m]Even if they wouldn't have arrested you for skipping bail.Dec 07 19:26
scientesand with a US passport you can permanentally live abroadDec 07 19:26
DaemonFC[m]I figured staying in Illinois and getting what was coming to me would be easier than trying to explain a FTA warrant forever.Dec 07 19:26
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scientesjust don't go to Europe because the other immigrants will fuck youDec 07 19:27
DaemonFC[m]Having a FTA warrant will show up when you try to use your passport to leave the country.Dec 07 19:27
scientesDaemonFC[m], no it will notDec 07 19:27
scientesDaemonFC[m], only Canada has access to that stuff, other countries only see InterpolDec 07 19:27
scientesand you can't get on interpol unless you do something really bad OR are Evo MoralesDec 07 19:28
scientesor Omar GaddafiDec 07 19:28
DaemonFC[m]Wouldn't getting on a plane leaving the state show up at TSA even?Dec 07 19:28
scientesyes, the TSA has it, but they don't communicate with the statesDec 07 19:28
DaemonFC[m]I mean, at that point they just flag down a local cop and arrest you.Dec 07 19:28
scientesno they don'tDec 07 19:28
scientesthese organizations do not communicateDec 07 19:28
scientesDHS and Sherrif is totally differentDec 07 19:29
DaemonFC[m]Austin has had a FTA warrant out since July.Dec 07 19:29
DaemonFC[m]He's living up in Wisconsin. I don't think they're doing anything about it.Dec 07 19:29
scientesDaemonFC[m], again, there are NO exit controls in the U.S.Dec 07 19:29
scientesthey don't stop you from leavingDec 07 19:29
DaemonFC[m]If he shows up in Illinois, that will be a completely different story.Dec 07 19:30
scientesand only Canada has the information to prevent you from enteringDec 07 19:30
DaemonFC[m]But he's black and he does things like drive around on an expired plate and shit all the time.Dec 07 19:30
DaemonFC[m]So it's only a matter of time.Dec 07 19:30
scientesno other country shares such data with the USDec 07 19:30
DaemonFC[m]Even from state to state, they usually just call the state that issued the warrant and ask if they want to send someone for you.Dec 07 19:31
scientesbut you *should* go to another state and live homeless and save up like $1000+plane ticket so you have some time in another country to figure stuff outDec 07 19:31
DaemonFC[m]Illinois is broke and does not generally pick up misdemeanor defendants even in Indiana.Dec 07 19:32
DaemonFC[m]I doubt that will change.Dec 07 19:32
DaemonFC[m]The state's getting more broke by the minute.Dec 07 19:32
DaemonFC[m]There's two things the local Party loves doing.Dec 07 19:32
scientesthe fed gov is $23 trillion brokeDec 07 19:32
DaemonFC[m]Making fiscal promises it can't keep.Dec 07 19:32
scientesexactlyDec 07 19:32
scientesleaveDec 07 19:32
scientesi'm telling youDec 07 19:32
scientesfucking leaveDec 07 19:32
scientesno-one wills top youDec 07 19:32
scientesit will suprise youDec 07 19:33
DaemonFC[m]And taxing people until they leave and wondering why their latest tax hike is bringing in less revenue.Dec 07 19:33
DaemonFC[m]The state hikes taxes.Dec 07 19:33
scienteshere in Georgia you can stay for one yearDec 07 19:33
DaemonFC[m]500 people per day (who can afford the taxes or to leave) leave.Dec 07 19:33
scientesand there isn't even a restriction on working on a tourist visaDec 07 19:33
DaemonFC[m]Revenue drops. They raise taxes again.Dec 07 19:33
DaemonFC[m]Now 700 people per day leave.Dec 07 19:33
DaemonFC[m]And so on.Dec 07 19:33
scientesbut you need some savings so you have time to learn the language, et ceteraDec 07 19:34
DaemonFC[m]Illinois is losing like two jumbo jets worth of residents every single day.Dec 07 19:34
DaemonFC[m]The state is emptying out.Dec 07 19:34
scientesI recommend south america moreDec 07 19:34
scientesor central americaDec 07 19:34
DaemonFC[m]The people who are a drag on the state stay.Dec 07 19:34
DaemonFC[m]The people who can get out and pay less taxes somewhere else leave.Dec 07 19:35
scientesyeah, you have no idea how the rest of the world isDec 07 19:35
scientesin Peru $5 is alot of moneyDec 07 19:35
scientesand you need it for a 3 month extension on your visaDec 07 19:35
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, if I leave the country and Social Security finds out, they cut off my check.Dec 07 19:35
scientesbut anyways, you need to leaveDec 07 19:35
DaemonFC[m]Do you think I haven't thought about this before?Dec 07 19:35
scientesDaemonFC[m], well yes, you can't get SSI out of the USDec 07 19:35
DaemonFC[m]I could live like a king on a poverty level income here.Dec 07 19:36
scientesbut you should still leaveDec 07 19:36
scientesDaemonFC[m], is it for mental illness?Dec 07 19:36
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Dec 07 19:36
DaemonFC[m]Really really bad mental illness.Dec 07 19:36
scientesexcept you are perfectly fineDec 07 19:36
scientesjust fucking leaveDec 07 19:36
DaemonFC[m]I should have brushed up on the Spanish and left already.Dec 07 19:37
DaemonFC[m]This country is falling apart and anyone with a brain in their head can see that.Dec 07 19:37
scientesyesDec 07 19:37
scientesget out nowDec 07 19:37
scienteswhile you still have some moneyDec 07 19:37
scientesagain, NO ONE WILL STOP YOUDec 07 19:37
DaemonFC[m]Should have raided the cards and then disappeared instead of staying here and fighting a losing battle all the way to the scene of the crash.Dec 07 19:38
scientesgo to PerúDec 07 19:38
scientesor PanamaDec 07 19:39
scientes(rural Panama)Dec 07 19:39
scientesyou would probably do better in Perú howeverDec 07 19:40
DaemonFC[m]The first time I appeared in court over this, the prosecutor tried having my bail revoked.Dec 07 19:40
scientesLEAVEDec 07 19:40
DaemonFC[m]She said I was a flight risk and wanted to know if I had a passport.Dec 07 19:40
scientesanyways, I'm getting back to workDec 07 19:40
DaemonFC[m]I told the judge, "Your honor, if I was going to run, we wouldn't be standing here listening to this nonsense.".Dec 07 19:41
DaemonFC[m]She says, "I agree with the defendant. The bail is continued and modified in case the defendant needs to travel to Indiana. Go see your mom.".Dec 07 19:41
scientesDaemonFC[m], fuck, I have no idea what I would have done had they held my passportDec 07 19:41
scientesbut do realize, that they have nothing to do with the DHSDec 07 19:42
scientesthe sherrif is basically a criminal organizationDec 07 19:42
scientesand no-body works with themDec 07 19:42
DaemonFC[m]Pretty much.Dec 07 19:42
scientesand they also steal from people, even when it is illegal (like in Arizona)Dec 07 19:42
DaemonFC[m]Most of what they do is go throw people out of their home and have a Sheriff's sale.Dec 07 19:42
DaemonFC[m]On behalf of the banks or over unpaid taxes.Dec 07 19:42
DaemonFC[m]The Indiana government tried to make it even worse.Dec 07 19:43
DaemonFC[m]Mitch Daniels said his "reform package" included taking away the election for county sheriffs and having the governor appoint them.Dec 07 19:43
DaemonFC[m]He didn't get it.Dec 07 19:43
scientesDaemonFC[m], that will get him assassinatedDec 07 19:44
scientesby gangsDec 07 19:44
DaemonFC[m]He wanted to take away Township government completely.Dec 07 19:44
DaemonFC[m]About the only thing that did happen was that the Township Assessor position was eliminated in most of the counties.Dec 07 19:44
scientesDaemonFC[m], but also, there are no state governments, they are just corrupt inefficient distributors of federal moneyDec 07 19:45
scientesagain, the rest of the world does not work this wayDec 07 19:45
scientesLEAVEDec 07 19:45
DaemonFC[m]He said that the counties could just take care of all of that stuff.Dec 07 19:45
DaemonFC[m]Of course, once they had it, they would start cutting things.Dec 07 19:45
DaemonFC[m]It would take fire and rescue twice as long to get to your house if you lived out there.Dec 07 19:45
DaemonFC[m]Stuff like that.Dec 07 19:45
DaemonFC[m]scientes: Really, what disgusts conservatives over Indiana Townships is that they're responsible for poor relief.Dec 07 19:46
scientesDaemonFC[m], you are different in that you actually notice that stuff is shitDec 07 19:46
DaemonFC[m]If your landlord is about to evict you, they can pay your rent for a while.Dec 07 19:46
scientesbut otherwise you are quite annoying, because you don't realize that at least people outside the US are not that stupidDec 07 19:46
DaemonFC[m]They have to provide insulin to diabetics.Dec 07 19:46
scientesso I think leaving will also improve your personalityDec 07 19:46
scientesoh, well insulin is going to be difficult for youDec 07 19:47
DaemonFC[m]If you die and you're broke, it's the township that's responsible for burying you.Dec 07 19:47
scientesthat is a global cartelDec 07 19:47
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Indiana couldn't pass a law denying insulin to just black people.Dec 07 19:47
DaemonFC[m]So what they did was pass a law that says the Trustee doesn't have to provide any assistance to anyone who has ever been convicted of any kind of felony.Dec 07 19:48
DaemonFC[m]A felony can be very serious (murder, kidnapping, rape, terrorism) or....possession of a few grams of marijuana.Dec 07 19:49
DaemonFC[m]Right after doing that, they "reformed" the criminal code.Dec 07 19:49
scientesDaemonFC[m], get off IRC and make some money to buy a plane ticketDec 07 19:50
DaemonFC[m]Re-classified a bunch of A misdemeanors into the group of new "Class E felony", and now anyone who does that stuff is a felon. :)Dec 07 19:50
scientesand get a passportDec 07 19:50
scientesbut yeah, insulin will fuck youDec 07 19:51
scientesnot much you can do about itDec 07 19:51
scientesdiabeties is basically a death sentenceDec 07 19:51
scientesdue to the global cartelDec 07 19:51
DaemonFC[m]I was shocked to learn that it used to be so cheap just 20 years ago.Dec 07 19:51
DaemonFC[m]And it's like $400-500 a month now.Dec 07 19:51
scientesyeah, its a cartelDec 07 19:52
DaemonFC[m]My grandfather had it for decades.Dec 07 19:52
DaemonFC[m]Most of that time, he just pad for his insulin with pocket money.Dec 07 19:52
DaemonFC[m]Never thought anything of it. It was like $10 maybe.Dec 07 19:52
scientesits because the U.S. elites want people to die fasterDec 07 19:52
scientesthey are not dying fast enoughDec 07 19:52
DaemonFC[m]HIV is worse.Dec 07 19:53
scientesno, they want the fags to liveDec 07 19:53
DaemonFC[m]$3,100 a month is the "coupon price".Dec 07 19:53
scienteseven at massive government expenseDec 07 19:53
scientesbecause they don't reproduceDec 07 19:53
DaemonFC[m]I figure HIV and diabetes are both pretty horrific.Dec 07 19:53
DaemonFC[m]But where are the state programs that give everyoen under 400% of the FPL their insulin?Dec 07 19:54
Hail_Spacecakescientes: a lot of the US elites are gay themselves, or are straight but arent reproducing themselvesDec 07 19:54
DaemonFC[m]Their own case manager, even.Dec 07 19:54
scientesHail_Spacecake, its really not about them, its about worship of technologyDec 07 19:54
scienteswe have robots now, so we don't need childrenDec 07 19:54
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't really make sense that pretty much anyone with HIV can get some kind of help.Dec 07 19:54
DaemonFC[m]But other diseases are ignored.Dec 07 19:54
Hail_SpacecakeI don't think theyre deliberately trying to make policy that harms people who have childrenDec 07 19:54
Hail_Spacecakeso much as just not valuing children themselves, within their own subcultural valuesDec 07 19:55
scientesHail_Spacecake, no, but they hate anybody that is normalDec 07 19:55
scientesthey ARE actively trying to destroy society and cultureDec 07 19:55
Hail_Spacecakethis is also true in europe I think - a lot of european leaders are childlessDec 07 19:55
scientesbecause it is a threat to themDec 07 19:55
DaemonFC[m]It's normal that about 5-6% are gay and most people have thoughts like that.Dec 07 19:55
scientesthat is why they create the Syrian and Mexican/Central American migrant problemsDec 07 19:55
scientesto destroy societyDec 07 19:55
DaemonFC[m]Always have, always will.Dec 07 19:55
Hail_Spacecakescientes: heh, yeah, I know lots of people who think that it's immoral to call queer people not normalDec 07 19:55
Hail_Spacecakethat just your sentence there makes you worthy of punishmentDec 07 19:56
DaemonFC[m]Religion is much stranger and very harmful.Dec 07 19:56
scientesHail_Spacecake, only buy the devil-worshiping global so-called liberal elitesDec 07 19:56
DaemonFC[m]But most people are religious, so you can't say anything.Dec 07 19:56
DaemonFC[m]It's one of those "might makes right" things, apparently.Dec 07 19:56
scientesbut they are no longer capable of handing out punishmentDec 07 19:56
DaemonFC[m]Even though, they act like they're a majority, but they badmouth each other too.Dec 07 19:57
Hail_SpacecakeDaemonFC[m]: which religion matters too. different religions beleive genuinely different thingsDec 07 19:57
scientesthey are only capable of blaming Russia for everythingDec 07 19:57
DaemonFC[m]Christianity is hardly a unified religion.Dec 07 19:57
scientesand wanting to bomb China....after they buy the machines from China to build the bombsDec 07 19:57
DaemonFC[m]They have major arguments and say that each other are going to hell for believing some minor different things.Dec 07 19:57
Hail_Spacecakea lot of peopel say "religious" and mean "christianity' or "protestant christianity" becuase they live in the US and don't really know what it means to live in a buddhist or muslim societyDec 07 19:57
Hail_Spacecakeevery religious tradition in the world has this dynamicDec 07 19:58
scientesHail_Spacecake, I wouldn't be so curt on these issues, except that it is a back-lash to the so-called liberal bullshit, which I have zero tolerance forDec 07 19:59
scienteshowever it has now gotten so sillyDec 07 19:59
scientesso it makes a mockery of itsselfDec 07 19:59
scientesI mean, the US military now is just a bunch of fags, and they fight like fags tooDec 07 20:00
scienteshow the hell can you fight a war when your mates can talk about wanting your ass?Dec 07 20:00
Hail_Spacecakescientes: "liberal bullshit" is vague. I have some idea of what you mean by it, and I am proably sympathetic to some of the more specific claims someone might mean by thatDec 07 20:00
scientesHail_Spacecake, well the worst part is the economic sycophantism they pushDec 07 20:01
scientesthat is what created the problemDec 07 20:01
Hail_SpacecakeI don't have a problem with gay men being in the military, in and of itselfDec 07 20:01
scientesbut that isn't working any moreDec 07 20:01
scientesHail_Spacecake, "don't ask, don't tell" was the liberal positionDec 07 20:01
scientesbut now its just sillyDec 07 20:01
Hail_Spacecakeit was at one point yeahDec 07 20:02
scientesthat is as liberal as you can getDec 07 20:02
scientesbecause you can't fight when sexual tension is in the airDec 07 20:02
Hail_SpacecakeI suspect that having straight women in the military might be more damaging to fighting effectiveness than having gay men in the militaryDec 07 20:03
Hail_Spacecakescientes: the spartans disagreed :)Dec 07 20:03
scienteshehehehe, that tooDec 07 20:03
Hail_Spacecakeor, well, they are reported as having disagreedDec 07 20:03
Hail_Spacecakewe don't really know all that much about how the spartans or any other ancient greek military actually worked. our surviving texts are not all that manyDec 07 20:03
scienteshomosexuality in greece was differentyDec 07 20:03
scientesas you were not suppose to be the bottomDec 07 20:03
scientesyou were only allowed to be the topDec 07 20:03
scientesthe bottom was suppose to be a slaveDec 07 20:03
scientesthe greeks also had so much free speechDec 07 20:05
scientesin Birds by aristophanes, he mocks the CURRENT military commanderDec 07 20:06
MinceR 07 20:06
scientesugggggh, why can't this systemd flame war ever endDec 07 20:08
scientesthe haters should actually write something comperableDec 07 20:08
MinceRlolDec 07 20:08
superkuhOkay, how about systemd timers not require writing 2x 15 line config files and then a long system command to reload the config to do what cron can do in 1 line edit.Dec 07 20:09
MinceR"the haters should write something that is not systemd, but is broken in all the exact same ways and supports all the exact same braindead APIs as systemd!"Dec 07 20:09
superkuhSomething comparable already exists.Dec 07 20:09
superkuhAnd it's better in most cases.Dec 07 20:09
MinceRsomething comparable already exists, it's called "windows"Dec 07 20:09
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MinceRit existed before poettering reinvented itDec 07 20:10
scientessuperkuh, yeah, systemd timers should be managed without reloadDec 07 20:10
scientesas they do not need reloadDec 07 20:10
superkuhI started trying to set up a new desktop to be exactly like my current but on systemd system for the first time last night.Dec 07 20:11
superkuhI am not pleased with the system(d) so far.Dec 07 20:11
superkuhMay just end up going devuan.Dec 07 20:12
superkuhBut I'll probably have to learn this sometime so I'm pushing on.Dec 07 20:12
scienteswell, the discussion is also missing systemd's central feature: a DAGDec 07 20:12
MinceRooh, the holy DAGDec 07 20:12
MinceRwhich is sacred enough to be in pid1Dec 07 20:12
scientesMinceR, well you have a graph whether you want one or notDec 07 20:12
scientesand that graph better not have cyclesDec 07 20:13
scientesso basically you are only showing your ignoranceDec 07 20:13
MinceRscientes: init doesn't need to manage service dependenciesDec 07 20:13
MinceRand indeed, it shouldn'tDec 07 20:13
scientesone of the first things learned in technical fields is the bike shed problemDec 07 20:13
MinceRapparently one of the things never learned is cohesionDec 07 20:14
scientesand even worse than bike shed is when people want to build a bike shed to hold nuclear weaponsDec 07 20:14
scientesMinceR, the DAG is type checking for a DAG that already implicitely existsDec 07 20:14
scientesbecause there is no other form of dependency GRAPHDec 07 20:15
scientesunless its fucking turing completeDec 07 20:15
scientesand then you have woorse problemsDec 07 20:15
scientesand indeed sysvinit was turing completeDec 07 20:15
MinceRscientes: in the systems cancerd was forcefully replaced with, service dependencies were a matter for rc, not initDec 07 20:15
MinceRand they can be managed by the scripts that set service prioritiesDec 07 20:16
scientesMinceR, except it didn't workDec 07 20:16
MinceRit workedDec 07 20:16
scientesno it didn't Dec 07 20:16
MinceRsystemd is the one that doesn't workDec 07 20:16
MinceRit can't boot reliablyDec 07 20:16
scientesand that was found out when systemd actually implemented itDec 07 20:16
MinceRit freezes on shutdown if the NFS server is unreachableDec 07 20:16
scientesand found out that some of the annotations were wrongDec 07 20:16
MinceRand sometimes when it fails to boot, the error message is hidden somewhereDec 07 20:17
MinceRit's massive and full of holesDec 07 20:17
MinceRit eats tons of cpu and memoryDec 07 20:17
scientes> .Dec 07 20:17
scientesThanks, but I don't want all the gory details, I just want Debian's systemd drama to continue for a few more years.Dec 07 20:17
MinceRbut hey, if your new god was as perfect as you claimed it was, people would choose it on their ownDec 07 20:17
scientes>  Because by now it's become farcical. So we might as well enjoy the drama while it lasts. So, dear Debian voters, do choose a result that guarantees further discussions. Please?Dec 07 20:17
MinceRand thus there was no reason to force it on peopleDec 07 20:17
scientes> Dec 07 20:17
scientesIs there a Poe's Law equivalent for trolling?Dec 07 20:17
scientesI think my point is that Debian has crossed the point - perhaps quite some time ago - where it was still reasonable to discuss the issues around their init system. And so I think it's fair to mention the farcical nature of Debian's drama.Dec 07 20:17
MinceRthere was no reason to destroy the debian project from the inside to force it on the computers of people who never asked for itDec 07 20:17
MinceRso, scientes, which is it?Dec 07 20:18
scientes> Dec 07 20:18
scientesTrolling has become indistinguishable from earnest interest. Still, please do go into great detail about what *exactly* what the trolling was. Otherwise, I think I'll dismiss you as a troll. (Turnabout and all that. I actually don't think that way, but generally, I find it best to just dismiss people who don't have an interesting approach.)Dec 07 20:18
MinceRwas your cult in the wrong when they chose to use microshit's methods to force systemd on us?Dec 07 20:18
MinceRor is systemd just crap and you can't stand people having a reliable GNU/Linux system?Dec 07 20:18
DaemonFC[m]The problem with population growth, other than resource depletion, war, etc....Dec 07 20:19
MinceRalso, when can we expect cgroups to work reliably?Dec 07 20:19
MinceRwhen is cgroups v3 coming out?Dec 07 20:19
DaemonFC[m]Is that the more of something there are, the less valuable each one is.Dec 07 20:19
DaemonFC[m]Part of the reason life is considered "cheap" these days is that you're always bumping into people and things have gotten very unequal and it creates a lot of resentment.Dec 07 20:20
DaemonFC[m]So pretty soon you get burned out and just hate everyone, especially the show offs.Dec 07 20:20
DaemonFC[m]Rich people always have to have something to "differentiate" themselves. They got pissed off when the iPhone became a commodity that someone in the food stamp line had.Dec 07 20:21
DaemonFC[m]So Apple "protected the brand" by jacking up the price.Dec 07 20:21
MinceR"Big cities are notorious for rudeness, small towns are famous for being friendly. This isn’t because only jerks live in cities and only nice people live in small towns. There is a psychological effect to having a press of people around us, competing for our resources and taking up our elbow room. People get impatient and edgy when they’re fighting a crowd."Dec 07 20:21
DaemonFC[m]They cost three times more now, which prices people who won't pay it out of the market.Dec 07 20:21
DaemonFC[m]And the people who want to be snobs pay 8 times more for the phone than it cost to make.Dec 07 20:22
scientes> Dec 07 20:22
scientesI think Debian should just drop people into a shell (should be configurable, of course - no bash bias please) and then everyone can start stuff the way they really want it. :-)Dec 07 20:22
DaemonFC[m]> "Big cities are notorious for rudeness, small towns are famous for being friendly. This isn’t because only jerks live in cities and only nice people live in small towns. There is a psychological effect to having a press of people around us, competing for our resources and taking up our elbow room. People get impatient and edgy when they’re fighting a crowd."Dec 07 20:25
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, that could explain part of the attitude of my step sister's family.Dec 07 20:25
DaemonFC[m]But there are people who are just assholes everywhere you go.Dec 07 20:25
DaemonFC[m]They just get more vicious the bigger the city is.Dec 07 20:25
DaemonFC[m]I think part of it is you're more inclined to cut someone off and give them the finger when you'll never see them again because there's 12 million people there.Dec 07 20:26
DaemonFC[m]scientes: You hear it all the time here. You hate it here, but you don't realize how shitty most of the world really is.Dec 07 20:36
DaemonFC[m]Which is fair enough, I suppose.Dec 07 20:37
DaemonFC[m]The first thing that happened to my mom and aunt in Paris was that they were robbed on a train.Dec 07 20:38
DaemonFC[m]I told her, "There's a certain stance you have to take when you're on public transit, even in this country.".Dec 07 20:38
DaemonFC[m]Don't flash valuables. You're aware of everything around you but you don't see any of it.Dec 07 20:38
DaemonFC[m]That sort of thing.Dec 07 20:38
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, there's a guy fingering his girlfriend next to you and that guy did get in and light up a joint.Dec 07 20:39
DaemonFC[m]Who the hell cares? Your stop is coming up and it's not happening. Nobody cares.Dec 07 20:39
DaemonFC[m]The state fails to do much of anything by passing more laws.Dec 07 20:40
DaemonFC[m]There's more crime, by definition, at that point.Dec 07 20:40
DaemonFC[m]It's racist and horrible to say it, but watch out on the south side. They have no regard for life at all. They'll kill you for your shoelaces or looking at them wrong.Dec 07 20:41
DaemonFC[m]Their brains are different or something.Dec 07 20:41
DaemonFC[m]The Trump campaign caught some Classic Hillary from 1994 lobbying Congress for the violent crime bill and kept playing "super predators" on the TV to get black people to give up and not vote.Dec 07 20:42
DaemonFC[m]He doesn't think anything of them either, but that's not the point.Dec 07 20:42
DaemonFC[m]I've been poor as dirt for years now. Still haven't mugged anyone at gunpoint for $6 and a broken cell phone.Dec 07 20:43
oiaohmReally optional voting means those stunts work.Dec 07 20:43
DaemonFC[m]The only good thing about all the crime in Illinois is the court basically grabbed my case and goes "What the hell is this shit. Okay, just say he got punished and get him the hell out of here.".Dec 07 20:43
oiaohmAustralia you have to pay a fine if you choose not to vote.Dec 07 20:44
DaemonFC[m]They make giveaway plea deals to people all the time here.Dec 07 20:44
DaemonFC[m]it got so bad that there are mandatory minimums that are still being enacted so the government will force itself to do something with the criminals.Dec 07 20:44
DaemonFC[m]oiaohm: Do you really want people to vote if they're so apathetic that the only reason they're doing it is to not pay a fine?Dec 07 20:45
DaemonFC[m]Can't you show up and cast a blank ballot and not get the fine?Dec 07 20:46
DaemonFC[m]Basically "Fuck you, now I'll be going home, thanks.".Dec 07 20:46
oiaohmYes can do a blank ballot.Dec 07 20:46
oiaohmInside the australia system there is a nasty response if 51 percent are blank ballots.Dec 07 20:46
oiaohmOr a person cannot get 51 percent of the vote because of blank ballots.Dec 07 20:47
MinceRthe queen gets to rule?Dec 07 20:47
DaemonFC[m]Better dust off her spectacles and get ready for some proper legislating!Dec 07 20:47
oiaohmThe election in that seat is classed invalid.   All candates are basically marked as criminals so unable to stand for a location in government anywere in the country.Dec 07 20:48
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I assume it triggers another election until something happens something happens.Dec 07 20:48
oiaohmever again.Dec 07 20:48
oiaohmCandates will go out of their way here so people do vote properly.Dec 07 20:48
MinceR:)Dec 07 20:48
DaemonFC[m]I suppose in jurisdictions in the US where you need 51% or a runoff happens, blank ballots could cause nobody to get a majority.Dec 07 20:48
DaemonFC[m]If it happened again, they'd have to keep calling special elections until it stopped.Dec 07 20:49
oiaohmRemember sooner or latter they will have to find a decent candate.Dec 07 20:49
DaemonFC[m]I don't think a US election has gone past one runoff though.Dec 07 20:49
oiaohmUnder the australian system.Dec 07 20:49
oiaohmbecause failure is everyone is out for good.Dec 07 20:49
DaemonFC[m]Most jurisdictions don't have them.Dec 07 20:49
DaemonFC[m]States are free to hold their elections in almost anyway that they see fit.Dec 07 20:50
oiaohmUSA system you have runoff that can repeat but the candates stay the same.Dec 07 20:50
DaemonFC[m]Unless there's a constitutional amendment or court ruling that says they can't do a particular thing.Dec 07 20:50
MinceRif everyone is out for good, do they take the state down?Dec 07 20:50
oiaohmWhat is the point if they cannot get enough support why run them again.Dec 07 20:50
oiaohmKick the candates out get another set and try again.Dec 07 20:50
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I suppose the voters could keep refusing to put anyone in office until the government breaks down.Dec 07 20:50
MinceR:)Dec 07 20:51
DaemonFC[m]Although I'm sure they'd pass a law getting rid of the runoff system before that happened.Dec 07 20:51
oiaohmIt in theory possible to end up with a seat where every possible candate has been nuked in Australia.Dec 07 20:51
DaemonFC[m]States have lines of succession for the governors.Dec 07 20:51
DaemonFC[m]In Indiana, at least it goes Lt. Gov, Speaker of the House, President Pro Tempore of the Senate, and then agency heads.Dec 07 20:52
DaemonFC[m]Sort of like the federal system.Dec 07 20:52
DaemonFC[m]Eventually you'd get down to a school superintendent or something.Dec 07 20:52
DaemonFC[m]But it's so unlikely that......Dec 07 20:52
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: An Indiana governor died in office in my life and the succession law went into effect.Dec 07 20:54
DaemonFC[m]Obviously, nobody pays much attention to who a Lt. Gov of a state is, so he ended up being unable to secure a majority of the vote, lost to someone who resigned from the Bush Administration to take the job.Dec 07 20:54
DaemonFC[m]Indiana has been controlled by the Republican Party ever since.Dec 07 20:55
DaemonFC[m]That was 13 years ago.Dec 07 20:55
DaemonFC[m]There's some sign that things hit bottom for the Democrats and they've rebounded somewhat.Dec 07 20:55
DaemonFC[m]Indiana got its first openly gay state representative in the last election.Dec 07 20:55
MinceRso they finally won't cheat on their next primary?Dec 07 20:56
DaemonFC[m]Bernie Sanders won Indiana.Dec 07 20:56
DaemonFC[m]But since it's proportional, Hillary Clinton still got 48% of our non-superdelegates.Dec 07 20:56
DaemonFC[m]When you added up superdelegates, Sanders won the state with like 52% of the vote, but only got about 40% of the delegates.Dec 07 20:57
DaemonFC[m]Hillary Clinton got 60%.Dec 07 20:57
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it's so fucking rigged.Dec 07 20:57
DaemonFC[m]The truth is the Democrats would rather deal with Trump for 4 years than Bernie Sanders because he's more like they are anyway.Dec 07 20:58
DaemonFC[m]They forced Clinton on people even though among Democrat voters she was received with a tepid response.Dec 07 20:58
DaemonFC[m]And they accepted that they might cause Trump to win.Dec 07 20:58
MinceR:>Dec 07 20:58
DaemonFC[m]The Electoral College system forces you to really hammer on a few swing states that are going to be close.Dec 07 20:59
DaemonFC[m]She didn't visit Wisconsin once.Dec 07 20:59
DaemonFC[m]Obama did a huge campaign and won Indiana.Dec 07 20:59
DaemonFC[m]He caught the Republicans off guard and had a campaign office in every single county.Dec 07 21:00
DaemonFC[m]Won the state's electoral votes by about 1% in 2008.Dec 07 21:00
DaemonFC[m]The votes are there, but they're so hard to get and by such a small margin that you're risking more than the campaign money is worth to go there.Dec 07 21:00
DaemonFC[m]Unless you just have so much money you don't know what to do with it.Dec 07 21:00
DaemonFC[m]Plus, the state was hit very hard by the recession and people are like fuck this.Dec 07 21:01
DaemonFC[m]They took out their frustrations on McCain. Dec 07 21:01
DaemonFC[m]As a Democrat, if you want to win Indiana, you have to run a nearly flawless campaign against a very unpopular sitting president.Dec 07 21:02
DaemonFC[m]He managed to get 1 vote out of Nebraska.Dec 07 21:03
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DaemonFC[m]So the Republicans changed the districts next time to pull in more rural areas outside of Omaha.Dec 07 21:03
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of hard to shake off the feeling of disgust at what's been going on this year.Dec 07 21:39
DaemonFC[m]That court and my ex have managed to completely fuck over my life.Dec 07 21:40
DaemonFC[m]I know I have to get over it, but it's not easy to.Dec 07 21:40
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of stressful to know that in less than 48 hours I'll either be free to go or Probation will feed the judge some complete load of crap and I'll be in even deeper shit.Dec 07 21:41
danielp3344DaemonFC: What device are you on?Dec 07 21:42
DaemonFC[m]My laptop, why?Dec 07 21:42
danielp3344You could always leave the country :PDec 07 21:43
DaemonFC[m]I guess there's nothing I can really do. I can either go to court and hope for the best or walk out in front of a truck right now before they have a chance to do anything else.Dec 07 21:43
DaemonFC[m]I know how ridiculous that sounds, but that's what I'm thinking.Dec 07 21:43
danielp3344DaemonFC: How did this start?Dec 07 21:43
danielp3344What was the original charge?Dec 07 21:44
DaemonFC[m]Two counts of aggravated assault with a knife.Dec 07 21:44
danielp3344Did that actually happen?Dec 07 21:44
DaemonFC[m]My ex brought someone home from a hookup app and I wasn't really happy about it. I shouted at the guy.Dec 07 21:44
DaemonFC[m]No.Dec 07 21:44
danielp3344<DaemonFC[m] "No."> so...Dec 07 21:45
DaemonFC[m]They tried telling the police I pulled a knife on them, but it was a little bitty fishing knife in my pocket.Dec 07 21:45
danielp3344DaemonFC: so you did do that?Dec 07 21:45
DaemonFC[m]The actual disturbance was caused by my ex, who told the guy I had a knife and to run, so he ran out into the neighborhood called 911.Dec 07 21:45
DaemonFC[m]The cops arrived. They bagged me.Dec 07 21:45
DaemonFC[m]I refused to talk to them.Dec 07 21:46
DaemonFC[m]They let me out on bond.Dec 07 21:46
danielp3344DaemonFC: I would go to court, hope for the best.Dec 07 21:46
danielp3344all the usual disclaimers but I would have talked to the copsDec 07 21:46
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it's what I'll do, because really the worst thing they can do is give me probation and the let a train run over me option is still out there.Dec 07 21:46
danielp3344DaemonFC: also leaving the countryDec 07 21:47
DaemonFC[m]Between this and the $80,000 or so I owe to the banks and can't pay back, I think dying is really the best option if they tell me I have to remain on probation in Illinois.Dec 07 21:48
DaemonFC[m]I'll be homeless before it's over if I have to serve the rest of the probation.Dec 07 21:48
danielp3344heading for mexico solves both those issuesDec 07 21:48
danielp3344FWIW I know a guy who was in a very similar situation in Illinois a few years backDec 07 21:49
DaemonFC[m]My sister in law keeps cutting me down behind my back and if I say anything to her, my spouse gets mad at me.Dec 07 21:49
DaemonFC[m]I think the best option might be to write to USCIS asking them to cancel the case and then hit him with divorce papers.Dec 07 21:49
DaemonFC[m]That fucking bitch has more pull with him than I ever will.Dec 07 21:50
DaemonFC[m]It's a cultural thing. I don't know.Dec 07 21:50
DaemonFC[m]I don't really want that, but I don't know what to do about her.Dec 07 21:50
danielp3344get whatever legal mess there is cleaned up and leave the stateDec 07 21:50
DaemonFC[m]For sure.Dec 07 21:51
DaemonFC[m]I don't know how much longer I can keep fighting everything at once.Dec 07 21:51
DaemonFC[m]The state, the feds, the bank, the car falling apart every 5 minutes.Dec 07 21:51
DaemonFC[m]I'm still glad I did what I did with the Kia though.Dec 07 21:52
DaemonFC[m]At best, my ex got a really bad deal on that. Dec 07 21:52
DaemonFC[m]And I'd rather pay the mechanics $400 every month to repair this piece of crap if I had to than solve a problem for himDec 07 21:52
danielp3344DaemonFC: you could do what my friend didDec 07 21:53
danielp3344He ended up homeless, bought cheap cargo van and lived in it for 5 yearsDec 07 21:53
danielp3344He said it was kinda funDec 07 21:53
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I should have bought a van.Dec 07 21:53
DaemonFC[m]Fucking landlords.Dec 07 21:53
danielp3344He said in Chicago you can park a cargo van anywhere, just be stealthyDec 07 21:53
DaemonFC[m]I might end up having to live out of the Impala.Dec 07 21:54
danielp3344DaemonFC: what part of the state are you in?Dec 07 21:54
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I mean who thinks anything of a van parked on the street?Dec 07 21:54
DaemonFC[m]Up near Wisconsin.Dec 07 21:54
DaemonFC[m]I wonder if I can put HOMELESS on a driver's license.Dec 07 21:55
DaemonFC[m]Sorta doubt it.Dec 07 21:55
*XRevan86 prepared a boot logo for his laptop's coreboot: ; Takes effort to position all the elements just right %).Dec 07 21:55
MinceR:)Dec 07 21:55
*XRevan86 is going for subtlety.Dec 07 21:55
danielp3344<DaemonFC[m] "I wonder if I can put HOMELESS o"> LOLDec 07 21:55
danielp3344XRevan86: I just had a big coreboot logoDec 07 21:55
DaemonFC[m]Daniel Peterson: Tell immigration that.Dec 07 21:57
DaemonFC[m]Where do you live? "Oh, in an Econoline down by Cregier.".Dec 07 21:57
danielp3344sshhhDec 07 21:57
XRevan86danielp3344: I don't really like how it looks when it's big.Dec 07 21:57
danielp3344traditional approach to that is pick a relative or friend to use as your legal addressDec 07 21:57
MinceRXRevan86: that's not what she said.Dec 07 21:57
XRevan86MinceR: You're too good at this, it's concerning %)Dec 07 21:58
MinceR:>Dec 07 21:58
danielp3344DaemonFC: 07 21:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 2002 chevy express 2500 - cars & trucks - by dealer - vehicle automotive saleDec 07 21:59
MinceRXRevan86: that's what she saidDec 07 21:59
DaemonFC[m]Daniel Peterson: For that price, there's something wrong with it.Dec 07 22:02
DaemonFC[m]But I suppose if it lasted a month, it would break even with rent here.Dec 07 22:02
DaemonFC[m]Could put a twin bed with a memory foam mattress back there.Dec 07 22:04
DaemonFC[m]Some cheap storage bins for clothes and stuff,Dec 07 22:04
DaemonFC[m]What was he doing for heat?Dec 07 22:05
DaemonFC[m]Daniel Peterson: The damned Democrats have made it so a lot of people are going to have to do stuff like this.Dec 07 22:05
DaemonFC[m]They've made rent go so far through the roof that in the "Shoot you for your shoelaces." neighborhood, it's $1000 a month nowDec 07 22:06
danielp3344<DaemonFC[m] "Daniel Peterson: For that price,"> That's the worst possible thing you can say when shopping for carsDec 07 22:13
danielp3344I've bought and sold cars very cheap with no problemsDec 07 22:13
DaemonFC[m]That's because my mom didn't run over every particular curb in her neighborhood with any of them before you got them.Dec 07 22:20
DaemonFC[m]I had to replace a wheel bearing, a tie rod, a steering pump, a steering rack...Dec 07 22:21
DaemonFC[m]The rack was leaking like a son of a bitch.Dec 07 22:21
DaemonFC[m]It was leaking so bad when I had them take it off and show it to me I was like "Oh my God....".Dec 07 22:21
DaemonFC[m]I got a rebuilt steering rack. The new ones cost like $800. It's just terribleDec 07 22:22
DaemonFC[m]There was oil all over the boots from when the engine was leaking I guess.Dec 07 22:22
DaemonFC[m]It was a mess. One of the inner rods was a little bent.Dec 07 22:23
DaemonFC[m]You want to know how long a car can last, give it to my mom.Dec 07 22:23
DaemonFC[m]If it falls apart on her in 7-8 years, it'll last you 20.Dec 07 22:23
danielp3344lolDec 07 22:23
DaemonFC[m]She needs to quit her job as a nurse and let GM give her some cars and pay her so they can follow her around.Dec 07 22:24
DaemonFC[m]Over the next 3 years, she'll show them what all the weak spots are.Dec 07 22:25
danielp3344DaemonFC: I just heard back from my friendDec 07 22:25
danielp3344He said buy the van and get on food stamps lolDec 07 22:25
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I should never have gotten married.Dec 07 22:25
danielp3344sure sounds like itDec 07 22:26
DaemonFC[m]He's not a bad guy, but I am just carrying him while his sister is over there calling me trash and asking if we're in a real marriage.Dec 07 22:26
danielp3344<DaemonFC[m] "He's not a bad guy, but I am jus"> It doesn't sounds like it.Dec 07 22:26
DaemonFC[m]Well, I didn't really realize that when you marry someone from the Philippines, you're actually married to their whole family.Dec 07 22:27
DaemonFC[m]And they all get to say whatever they want and you have to take it because respect or something like that.Dec 07 22:27
DaemonFC[m]So I said, "WHOA! Shot across the bow!" and called her a rich snob with no taste in anything,Dec 07 22:28
DaemonFC[m]That was a mistake.Dec 07 22:28
DaemonFC[m]I told her help or shut up and get out of the way.Dec 07 22:28
DaemonFC[m]Then my husband said I was being rude on Facebook, so I went and deleted it entirely.Dec 07 22:29
DaemonFC[m]The last thing I want is more arguments with his sister.Dec 07 22:29
DaemonFC[m]Thank God they don't have Christmas.Dec 07 22:29
DaemonFC[m]They're in some sort of Filipino pseudo-Christian new age cult.Dec 07 22:30
danielp3344DaemonFC: get out while you still canDec 07 22:30
DaemonFC[m]I was in their church once and they were a Jim Jones vibe going on in there, if Jim Jones was from the Philippines and not Indianapolis. Dec 07 22:31
DaemonFC[m]*there was aDec 07 22:31
DaemonFC[m]They pretty much hid him as soon as we got married because the "church" will excommunicate the entire extended family of anyone who is gay.Dec 07 22:32
DaemonFC[m]They'll throw out your third cousin!Dec 07 22:32
danielp3344I dont blame themDec 07 22:32
DaemonFC[m]Oh, don't let it fool you.Dec 07 22:32
DaemonFC[m]They're just as pretentious as any other Christian church.Dec 07 22:32
*danielp3344 is catholicDec 07 22:33
MinceR 07 22:33
DaemonFC[m]They excommunicate you for going to court.Dec 07 22:33
*MinceR believes himselfDec 07 22:33
MinceRs/hi/in hi/Dec 07 22:33
DaemonFC[m]They believe that if you go into a courthouse, you are doomed to spend eternity in hell.Dec 07 22:33
MinceRinterestingDec 07 22:33
DaemonFC[m]I said, "How do you pay your taxes?".Dec 07 22:33
MinceRi'm sure this could be abusedDec 07 22:34
DaemonFC[m]"Oh, you're in Illinois. It's just Hell with property taxes."Dec 07 22:34
MinceRthey could be tied up and carried into a courthouse, for example :>Dec 07 22:34
DaemonFC[m]"Hell will be a relief."Dec 07 22:34
danielp3344hehDec 07 22:34
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the police do that to people all the time.Dec 07 22:34
DaemonFC[m]Go file for divorce and make all sorts of outrageous requests.Dec 07 22:35
DaemonFC[m]If they show up to dispute it, HELL!Dec 07 22:35
DaemonFC[m]Sue them and if they don't show up, enforce the default ruling.Dec 07 22:35
MinceR:>Dec 07 22:36
MinceRwhat's their reasoning for this anyway?Dec 07 22:37
DaemonFC[m]Fuck if I care or know.Dec 07 22:37
DaemonFC[m]They're religious when they're in church.Dec 07 22:38
DaemonFC[m]So they actually have a lot in common with Catholics.Dec 07 22:38
danielp3344?Dec 07 22:38
DaemonFC[m]That and all the guilt.Dec 07 22:38
danielp3344DaemonFC: I don't get what you're sayingDec 07 22:38
DaemonFC[m]It was a joke, kind of.Dec 07 22:39
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, the Catholic church is actually representing us.Dec 07 22:40
DaemonFC[m]I wouldn't say they're all bad.Dec 07 22:40
DaemonFC[m]It's about 80% racist, immigrant-bashing homophobe among evangelical protestants.Dec 07 22:40
DaemonFC[m]So anything Catholic is fairly mild compared with what I grew up with.Dec 07 22:41
DaemonFC[m]There's pockets of decency in Indiana.Dec 07 22:42
DaemonFC[m]There's very little of it in Illinois.Dec 07 22:42
DaemonFC[m]I'm not a totally decent person. I noticed the book stand in the mall had books on display where they stickered over the word "fucking".Dec 07 22:43
DaemonFC[m]So I removed all of the stickers.Dec 07 22:43
DaemonFC[m]I did think of the children.Dec 07 22:43
danielp3344wutDec 07 22:43
DaemonFC[m]They're going to have to learn to live in the real world sooner or later.Dec 07 22:43
DaemonFC[m]People curse.Dec 07 22:44
DaemonFC[m]People are indecent.Dec 07 22:44
danielp3344¯\_(ツ)_/¯Dec 07 22:44
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of dumb, really.Dec 07 22:44
DaemonFC[m]Well, I've always been more like Chicago than small town Indiana with my attitude towards things anyway.Dec 07 22:45
DaemonFC[m]Sex shop across from the park. Whatever.Dec 07 22:45
DaemonFC[m]Light up a joint on the train. Who cares?Dec 07 22:45
DaemonFC[m]If Indiana had trains they would object to that because they still treat pot like it's something awful.Dec 07 22:45
DaemonFC[m]You ever notice how things that kill you and dumb you down are legal and taxed?Dec 07 22:46
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DaemonFC[m]Even in places like Indiana.Dec 07 22:46
DaemonFC[m]In fact, they argue to keep taxes low on the stuff that kills you because "personal choice".Dec 07 22:46
DaemonFC[m]"Well, it's on every pack of cigarettes what they're going to do and it's in your own house, right?".Dec 07 22:46
DaemonFC[m]Oddly, Indiana had to be slapped down because I couldn't choose to marry and their new crisis is two bordering states with recreational weed in 24 days and counting.Dec 07 22:47
DaemonFC[m]It's going to be hilarious because if the police in Indiana had no control over this before (weed) they sure won't now.Dec 07 22:48
DaemonFC[m]It's nice to see authoritarian fascists lose control and only be able to whine.Dec 07 22:48
DaemonFC[m]I'll move back there though. The cost of living is dirt cheap and nobody has ever been able to tell me what to do anyway. Not really.Dec 07 22:49
DaemonFC[m]You have to be better at hiding your dirty laundry.Dec 07 22:49
DaemonFC[m]Like church people do!Dec 07 22:49
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DaemonFC[m]They say that only about 16% of the US population is "not religious".Dec 07 22:50
DaemonFC[m]Every religion says they're so virtuous and kind and peaceful.Dec 07 22:51
DaemonFC[m]That must be why we have so much poverty, filth, war, disease, recession, depression, poverty, filth, war.Dec 07 22:51
DaemonFC[m]:)Dec 07 22:51
DaemonFC[m]It can't all be coming from the "16%".Dec 07 22:51
DaemonFC[m]There was as much of this going on in 1991 when that figure was "8%".Dec 07 22:51
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I'm pretty sure kids learn these words in nursery school and/or in the yards, way before they know how to read.Dec 07 22:52
DaemonFC[m]The only thing that has changed that might have brought out the worst in more people is that the economy is doing really poorly right now.Dec 07 22:52
DaemonFC[m]I mean the real economy, not the fake stock market.Dec 07 22:52
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: My guess is that stickers are there so that little kids don't laugh their arses off when they read a bad word and make a stupid situation by doing so.Dec 07 22:52
DaemonFC[m]> DaemonFC: I'm pretty sure kids learn these words in nursery school and/or in the yards, way before they know how to read.Dec 07 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Parents treat their kids as lifestyle accessories. Not human beings.Dec 07 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Tend to, anyway.Dec 07 22:53
DaemonFC[m]When you have a "rebellious child", that's a problem because they turned out other than what you wanted and now they embarrass you.Dec 07 22:54
DaemonFC[m]Since almost every parent wants their child to be a Mini Me, being "gay" is bad and wrong too.Dec 07 22:54
DaemonFC[m]Aside the religious bullshit.Dec 07 22:54
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Well, every parent by instinct wants their kids to be as successful and… err, reproduceful as possible.Dec 07 22:55
DaemonFC[m]Having values other than the accumulation of useless crap is "wrong" because the national religion is Consumerism.Dec 07 22:55
danielp3344<DaemonFC[m] "Since almost every parent wants "> there is a reasonDec 07 22:55
DaemonFC[m]Jaysus!Dec 07 22:55
XRevan86Even though homosexually is not shunned upon anymore, there's still the second reason. Think of the grandchildren!Dec 07 22:56
DaemonFC[m]Having children is not necessarily a positive thing.Dec 07 22:56
DaemonFC[m]For the world, or you, or them.Dec 07 22:56
danielp3344<XRevan86 "Even though homosexually is not "> it should beDec 07 22:56
DaemonFC[m]Don't be such a mindless automaton.Dec 07 22:56
danielp3344DaemonFC: WTH do you meanDec 07 22:57
DaemonFC[m]I'd rather have been aborted, to be honest.Dec 07 22:57
DaemonFC[m]I'm not having a great time here.Dec 07 22:57
danielp3344you think I dont spend time thinking about this?Dec 07 22:57
DaemonFC[m]I just haven't fucking killed myself.Dec 07 22:57
danielp3344<DaemonFC[m] "I just haven't fucking killed my"> that's a lot of workDec 07 22:57
DaemonFC[m]They're always like "Your baby would choose life!".Dec 07 22:57
danielp3344in the moment perhapsDec 07 22:58
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: "Don't be such a mindless automaton." – well, it's instincts kind of. But in the end parents still love their offspring no matter what.Dec 07 22:58
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, let's rip that sucker out and show him 35 years from now when the full weight of the government came down on him.Dec 07 22:58
DaemonFC[m]People have used him and spit him out, he didn't get to be what he wanted.Dec 07 22:58
DaemonFC[m]And his life just sort of continues.Dec 07 22:58
danielp3344gtgDec 07 22:58
DaemonFC[m]Let's ask him what he wants.Dec 07 22:58
XRevan86so being gay really shouldn't be the end of the world; and the way I see it, in practice that checks outDec 07 22:58
DaemonFC[m]I think suicide should be perfectly legal.Dec 07 22:59
DaemonFC[m]I think that anyone who goes in and asks for something painless should just have to sign a form stating they know what they're asking for.Dec 07 22:59
DaemonFC[m]Done and done.Dec 07 22:59
DaemonFC[m]The consequences of doing it yourself and failing are messy.Dec 07 22:59
DaemonFC[m]Both from the attempt itself and what THEY will do to you if you fail.Dec 07 23:00
DaemonFC[m]Why do you think that most of them are so gruesome?Dec 07 23:00
*XRevan86 honestly thinks that, despite suicide being a natural response (like I discussed the other day), it should be prevented.Dec 07 23:00
DaemonFC[m]Why people are walking in front of Metra and putting a gun in their mouth?Dec 07 23:00
DaemonFC[m]People who want it will get it.Dec 07 23:00
DaemonFC[m]They don't care what you think and you're making a bigger problem for society if it's illegal.Dec 07 23:00
DaemonFC[m]A lot like drugs.Dec 07 23:00
XRevan86maybe even chemicallyDec 07 23:01
XRevan86I think that's called anti-depressantsDec 07 23:01
DaemonFC[m]I think suicidal thoughts are just a natural thing and society doesn't admit it.Dec 07 23:01
DaemonFC[m]It's a touchy subject.Dec 07 23:01
DaemonFC[m]I'd say in my case, it's 60% depression and 40% boredom and being burned out.Dec 07 23:01
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Well, I touched it :)Dec 07 23:01
XRevan86being burnt out is fairly close to be depressedDec 07 23:02
DaemonFC[m]It is. They list it as a symptom of depression.Dec 07 23:02
DaemonFC[m]"Not finding enjoyment in things you used to like."Dec 07 23:02
DaemonFC[m]I don't think that anyone really loves anyone else.Dec 07 23:03
DaemonFC[m]People tried to make "marriage" into an institution and look how that went.Dec 07 23:03
DaemonFC[m]People get married for a lot of reasons though.Dec 07 23:03
DaemonFC[m]I would say mine is legitimate.Dec 07 23:04
DaemonFC[m]People have feelings that change all the time. It's hard to love a person unconditionally, all the time, forever.Dec 07 23:04
DaemonFC[m]There's days where you're pissed off at them and you fight and then the next day it's all fine again.Dec 07 23:05
DaemonFC[m]So it's trying to make permanent something that is in a constant state of flux.Dec 07 23:05
DaemonFC[m]But I'd say if you care deeply about the other person, it stands a better chance of working, and if you don't then STERILIZE YOURSELF so you won't be like my parents.Dec 07 23:05
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I haven't met "the special someone" (yet), so I can only guess. But I assume the formula is familiarity and compatibility.Dec 07 23:06
DaemonFC[m]And put your kids through a world of shit as your marriage spins hopelessly out of control and you're yelling at each other over shit that happened in 1979 every day..Dec 07 23:06
XRevan86when you live with someone for so long your lifes have become inseparableDec 07 23:07
DaemonFC[m]Like I said. A lot of reasons.Dec 07 23:07
DaemonFC[m]Worst possible reason to get married to someone is physical attraction.Dec 07 23:07
DaemonFC[m]As the primary reason, that is.Dec 07 23:07
DaemonFC[m]Things age and they don't get better there.Dec 07 23:07
DaemonFC[m]People try marrying their latest sexual conquest all the time.Dec 07 23:08
DaemonFC[m]You're better off just taking them home from the bar (and wearing a condom).Dec 07 23:08
DaemonFC[m]If that's your thing.Dec 07 23:08
DaemonFC[m]People have baited me in, got tired of me, and then just didn't have the courage to say it's not working.Dec 07 23:09
DaemonFC[m]And then that's exactly why I'm having the year I've had.Dec 07 23:09
DaemonFC[m]I've actually read where people were asking how to be released from their support affidavit.Dec 07 23:09
DaemonFC[m]In some cases it was "I co-sponsored my daughter's husband, then he got a green card, now they're divorced and the government is coming after me for support. Help!".Dec 07 23:10
DaemonFC[m]That's exactly why my mom refused to sign anything.Dec 07 23:10
DaemonFC[m]We had to ask his sister.Dec 07 23:10
DaemonFC[m]She didn't need any lessons that you can't trust anyone.Dec 07 23:11
DaemonFC[m]She should be a self-taught woman on that aspect.Dec 07 23:11
DaemonFC[m]But we all see things from our own point of view and if we don't want to admit we did something awful, we'll convince ourselves we are not a bad person.Dec 07 23:12
DaemonFC[m]Part of that movie about Mr. Rogers with Tom Hanks talked about forgiving someone.Dec 07 23:13
DaemonFC[m]"It's releasing that person from our anger." - It's harder than it sounds, right?Dec 07 23:13
DaemonFC[m]Someone really screws you over, you're angry every time you think about it for the next 10 years. 20. 30....Dec 07 23:13
DaemonFC[m]Where does it actually end?Dec 07 23:14
DaemonFC[m]Do they care that you're angry at them? No.Dec 07 23:14
DaemonFC[m]You have to forgive because you're only hurting yourself. If you don't, then you get to live with the anger at that person forever.Dec 07 23:14
DaemonFC[m]I know this and yet I'm still mad at so many people.Dec 07 23:15
DaemonFC[m]I'd still take it out on some of them for things that happened in 1999 if I could.Dec 07 23:15
DaemonFC[m]Thing is, I'm trying not to go to jail, and that really is the reason that I stop myself.Dec 07 23:15
DaemonFC[m]That's sort of why I felt insulted by these charges.Dec 07 23:19
DaemonFC[m]I've had people do worse to me than show up with their hookup from Grindr.Dec 07 23:19
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, MinceR Dec 07 23:20
MinceRholy wall of text, batmanDec 07 23:20
DaemonFC[m]Logically, if the world is full of religious people, and religious people mainly want to be good (or say they do), then it stands to reason the would would be mostly good.Dec 07 23:21
DaemonFC[m]With a few bits of bad here and there.Dec 07 23:21
DaemonFC[m]Not the other way around.Dec 07 23:21
MinceR07 234334 < DaemonFC[m]> I'm not a totally decent person. I noticed the book stand in the mall had books on display where they stickered over the word "fucking".Dec 07 23:21
MinceRapparently most religious people believe that it is inconsequential shit like this in which goodness manifestsDec 07 23:21
MinceRthen again, they probably believe that forcing their religion on people who want none of this is also "good"Dec 07 23:22
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, like that island tribe.Dec 07 23:22
DaemonFC[m]That threw a spear at that guy who ignored helpful warnings not to go there.Dec 07 23:22
DaemonFC[m] 07 23:25
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DaemonFC[m]"Colonial powers liked to terrorise unwilling subjects in the most far-flung of places."Dec 07 23:25
DaemonFC[m]Still do.Dec 07 23:25
DaemonFC[m]The interesting thing about India that it's hardly civilized. There's a euphemism there.Dec 07 23:25
DaemonFC[m]"Police encounter"Dec 07 23:26
DaemonFC[m]Some individual cops have been involved in hundreds of them.Dec 07 23:26
DaemonFC[m]It means "Just murdering someone instead of bringing them in front of a court."Dec 07 23:26
MinceR08 000026  * XRevan86 honestly thinks that, despite suicide being a natural response (like I discussed the other day), it should be prevented.Dec 07 23:26
MinceRthere's a great way to do that, but human society is incapable of itDec 07 23:26
DaemonFC[m]There was an "encounter" recently where 4 accused rapists were taken to the scene and shot in the back of the head by the police.Dec 07 23:26
MinceRstop making the world a hell.Dec 07 23:26
XRevan86MinceR: Caring about people's needs?Dec 07 23:27
MinceRyeahDec 07 23:27
MinceRcaring about people's rightsDec 07 23:27
DaemonFC[m]People were having parades over this, in support of the police.Dec 07 23:27
DaemonFC[m]They say "Courts move too slow.".Dec 07 23:28
MinceRthis universe would be a great place to live in, if it weren't for all the peopleDec 07 23:28
DaemonFC[m]People say get out of the United States....Dec 07 23:28
DaemonFC[m]Well, at least I'm not in India.Dec 07 23:28
DaemonFC[m]Smog so thick you can't see anything. Thousands of tons of garbage along the beaches.Dec 07 23:29
DaemonFC[m]People cheering the police for murdering people, who may be the wrong people anyway.Dec 07 23:29
DaemonFC[m]We'll never know. No court.Dec 07 23:29
DaemonFC[m]They're dealing with some interesting problems, most of which are caused by overpopulation and overcrowding.Dec 07 23:29
DaemonFC[m]If you could get that under control, you wouldn't need so much coal, or a total police state, etc.Dec 07 23:30
MinceRwell, murdering people can help with overpopulation and overcrowdingDec 07 23:31
MinceRso there's thatDec 07 23:31
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: You should've said "Well, at least I'm not in Russia.", I would've said "Well, at least I'm not in a small city in Russia.", and then some Vasya would say "Well, at least I'm not in an abandoned village in Russia.", and then Petya would say "Well, at least I'm not in Cherepovets, where the largest Pulp and Paper Complex in the world is being built."Dec 07 23:33
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MinceR:>Dec 07 23:34
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XRevan86and then someone in Cherepovets would say "Well, at least I'm on the opposite side of town"Dec 07 23:34
DaemonFC[m]Daniel Peterson: If I really wanted to screw over my ex (I didn't at the time), I would have told him to go buy that 140,000 mile 2010 Prius for $10,000.Dec 07 23:34
MinceRand then someone on the opposite side of town would say "well, at least i'm not in north korea"Dec 07 23:35
DaemonFC[m]I found him a Ford Fiesta Hatchback and got it down to like $13,500, brand new, and that's with quite a few options.Dec 07 23:35
DaemonFC[m]I figured, it's not a gas guzzler (36 mpg combined) and it's going to last a hell of a lot longer than some stupid decade-old Prius with all the shit in it and high mileage.Dec 07 23:35
MinceRlolDec 07 23:35
MinceRyou'd think so, wouldn't you? :>Dec 07 23:36
XRevan86MinceR: That's a tough bargainDec 07 23:36
DaemonFC[m]The Impala is only getting about the same mileage as the Crown Vic. MinceR Dec 07 23:36
DaemonFC[m]Then again, that's sort of impressive.Dec 07 23:36
MinceR 07 23:37
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: managing to burn so much fuel?Dec 07 23:37
DaemonFC[m]Seeing as how it's got about the same amount of power out of a 3.8 V6 as the Crown Vic did out of a 4.6 V8.Dec 07 23:37
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I get about 21-22 mpg, with about 80% city 20% highway.Dec 07 23:37
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure once I get back to Indiana with it, that'll climb to about 25 or 26.Dec 07 23:38
DaemonFC[m]I did put some money into tuning it.Dec 07 23:38
DaemonFC[m]When I got it, it was so bad it was only getting like 16.5 mpg, and I knew something was wrong.Dec 07 23:38
DaemonFC[m]Then it finally had the ABS light come on so I took it in and I had a wheel bearing and outer tie rod that was bad.Dec 07 23:39
DaemonFC[m]And a power steering rack that was dripping.Dec 07 23:39
DaemonFC[m]So I had them fix all of that.Dec 07 23:39
DaemonFC[m]And then my next tank I was getting about 18.5. Okay, still not great.Dec 07 23:39
DaemonFC[m]So I had them change the stupid spark plugs out and put new iridiums in and new wires.Dec 07 23:40
DaemonFC[m]Next tank, I'm getting like 19.6 I think.Dec 07 23:40
DaemonFC[m]But every once in a while I'd get a whiff of gas.Dec 07 23:40
DaemonFC[m]Then I noticed that my gas cap wasn't hissing, and I know every gas cap I've ever had hissed.Dec 07 23:40
DaemonFC[m]So I check the seal. The seal's bad.Dec 07 23:40
DaemonFC[m]So I put a new one on, and I was up to 21.5 mpg last time.Dec 07 23:41
DaemonFC[m]The stupid gas cap was doing more to hurt my mileage than old plugs and wires from 2007 that had well over 100,000 miles on them.Dec 07 23:41
DaemonFC[m]Somewhere along the way, I put synthetic 0w30 oil in it.Dec 07 23:42
DaemonFC[m]Supposedly it helps your fuel economy a bit, but I didn't ever check before and after just that, and I don't recall where I was in repairs at that point.Dec 07 23:43
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: If I felt I could get away with 0w20 synthetic, I might put it in.Dec 07 23:43
DaemonFC[m]I've seen some UOAs that look fine. No evidence of additional wear, including on bearings.Dec 07 23:43
DaemonFC[m]In theory you get about another half a mile every 100 or so on that.Dec 07 23:44
DaemonFC[m]It's statistical noise though.Dec 07 23:44
DaemonFC[m]If I drove the exact same way I did when I got 21.5 mpg, 0w20 would give me 21.6 mpg.Dec 07 23:45
DaemonFC[m]So you'd never know.Dec 07 23:45
DaemonFC[m]It's about like saving a penny or two a gallon on gas.Dec 07 23:46
DaemonFC[m]The industry and fleet managers care.Dec 07 23:46
oiaohmBad gas caps are down right expensive.Dec 07 23:46
DaemonFC[m]You'll notice the difference when you add your 200th car to the fleet. :)Dec 07 23:46
oiaohmto your running costs.Dec 07 23:46
MinceRespecially if they're on a german "premium" car :>Dec 07 23:46
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the bad gas cap was basically costing me 2 mpg.Dec 07 23:47
oiaohmEven german premium car prices for gas caps it still cheap to replace the gas cap then have a defective one.Dec 07 23:47
DaemonFC[m]That's like paying 27 cents more per gallon of gas.Dec 07 23:47
DaemonFC[m]It didn't affect how the car ran.Dec 07 23:47
DaemonFC[m]The gas just evaporated out the tank. Probably so severe because of all the fucking ethanol.Dec 07 23:48
DaemonFC[m]Just goes right out the filler neck.Dec 07 23:48
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: You mean cars on natural gas?Dec 07 23:48
DaemonFC[m]That might have been why E15 did so much worse.Dec 07 23:48
DaemonFC[m]No, gasoline.Dec 07 23:48
oiaohmWhen driving there is normally a vacummin that appears around the gas cap on most case as well.Dec 07 23:48
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: so even with old school fuel you are losing it.Dec 07 23:48
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Confusing terminology thereDec 07 23:49
DaemonFC[m]I might start running on E15 again and see how much it affects my fuel economy with a good gas cap.Dec 07 23:49
oiaohmThat another thing.Dec 07 23:49
XRevan86 07 23:49
oiaohmSome cars gas caps when they were released were not rated for ethanol so the seal would break down as well. Dec 07 23:49
XRevan86Automobiles on gas are totally a thing.Dec 07 23:49
DaemonFC[m]$3,000 for a new battery on a hybrid.Dec 07 23:50
DaemonFC[m]LOLDec 07 23:50
oiaohmI have seen that on BMW.Dec 07 23:50
DaemonFC[m]Not $7,000 like it used to be.Dec 07 23:50
DaemonFC[m]But still ouch.Dec 07 23:50
oiaohmwhere you look the part numbers and the car has two different gas cap part numbers.Dec 07 23:50
DaemonFC[m]You could buy 1,071 gallons of gas if you bought a used hybrid and the battery konks out.Dec 07 23:50
DaemonFC[m]But it's not just going to be the battery.Dec 07 23:51
oiaohmOne is for ethanol added fuel and one is for fuel without ethonol.Dec 07 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Those regenerative braking systems cost a fortune.Dec 07 23:51
DaemonFC[m]And there's lots of wiring, and two different motors. Dec 07 23:51
MinceRthey work, thoughDec 07 23:51
DaemonFC[m]If you're buying a used one, forget it.Dec 07 23:51
MinceRand they reduce wear on brakes and possibly the engineDec 07 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Unless it is SO CHEAP that you can handle a mountain of repairs.Dec 07 23:51
MinceRand you get the best kind of transmission: eCVT :>Dec 07 23:51
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I piss everyone off on the highway.Dec 07 23:51
oiaohmOver all the electrics are not mountain of repairs.Dec 07 23:51
DaemonFC[m]When I know my exit is coming up or there's a red light....Dec 07 23:52
DaemonFC[m]I coast!Dec 07 23:52
MinceRallegedly second generation (or so) prii are pretty damn reliableDec 07 23:52
oiaohmThe largest cost is the battery.Dec 07 23:52
DaemonFC[m]No need for regenerative brakes really. 80% of the energy that most people waste, I just don't waste it! :)Dec 07 23:52
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: and they don't get in front of you?Dec 07 23:52
DaemonFC[m]Who cares what they do?Dec 07 23:52
DaemonFC[m]Fuck em.Dec 07 23:52
MinceRyou'll learn otherwise once you drive in a big cityDec 07 23:52
DaemonFC[m]If you run up on a stop light an then slam on your brakes.Dec 07 23:53
MinceRat least in budapest, where many drivers like to alternate between flooring the gas and flooring the brakesDec 07 23:53
DaemonFC[m]You'll buy twice as many brake pads.Dec 07 23:53
DaemonFC[m]I'll buy 5-6% more gasoline.Dec 07 23:53
MinceRnot if you have regenerative braking :>Dec 07 23:53
DaemonFC[m]You'll wear down your tires 20% faster.Dec 07 23:53
MinceRalso, even if all you have is an engine autostop system, stopping early can help save fuel :>Dec 07 23:53
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: it also depends on the second hand electric.Dec 07 23:54
DaemonFC[m]Well, in fuel injected cars, it just puts enough gas in while you're coasting to keep the engine idling.Dec 07 23:54
DaemonFC[m]It's not much.Dec 07 23:54
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: something like a zeva converion electric is fairly cost effective to fix up.Dec 07 23:54
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DaemonFC[m]So you still win, even without a start/stop.Dec 07 23:54
DaemonFC[m]Even this 3800 V6....Maybe half a gallon per hour of idling.Dec 07 23:54
oiaohmSomething like a telsa pure hell due to all the custom unique parts.Dec 07 23:54
DaemonFC[m]You shouldn't just sit there idling.Dec 07 23:54
DaemonFC[m]If you're going to be sitting there for like more than a minute, shut the car off.Dec 07 23:55
DaemonFC[m]When you get where you're going, immediately shut the car off once it's in park.Dec 07 23:55
DaemonFC[m]Don't sit there with it running while you're grabbing shopping bags and talking to mom on the phone.Dec 07 23:55
DaemonFC[m]That is money going out the tailpipe.Dec 07 23:55
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, well, just because I don't drive the newest thing on the road.Dec 07 23:56
DaemonFC[m]Doesn't mean I want a gas guzzling money pit either.Dec 07 23:56
DaemonFC[m]You still want to do as well as you can, no matter what you drive.Dec 07 23:56
MinceRi just let my car handle itDec 07 23:56
DaemonFC[m]I'm only about 6-7 mpg down from what the Kia was getting.Dec 07 23:57
MinceRit makes sure it doesn't drain the battery too much and doesn't let the cabin temperature get too hot or too coldDec 07 23:57
DaemonFC[m]I'd rather buy another 3 gallons of gas a month than make $404.91 car payments.Dec 07 23:57
DaemonFC[m]And guess what. Shit can happen to a newer car too.Dec 07 23:58
DaemonFC[m]The Kia was new, but it was a Kia.Dec 07 23:58
DaemonFC[m]They use cheaper parts.Dec 07 23:58
DaemonFC[m]Stuff happens.Dec 07 23:58
DaemonFC[m]A copper wire blew up the second month I had it and the air conditioner went out.Dec 07 23:58
oiaohmKia are very much like a game of loto.Dec 07 23:58
DaemonFC[m]They fixed it under warranty, and while they were in there, the factory had put 11% too much R-134a in the system.Dec 07 23:58
DaemonFC[m]So they drained it and filled it back to spec.Dec 07 23:58
oiaohmDid they cut the cost too low on this day when they built your care or not.Dec 07 23:59
DaemonFC[m]Most people who buy a Kia realize they're not going to get 20 or 25 years out of it.Dec 07 23:59
DaemonFC[m]But they're cheaper than a comparable Chevy and so who cares?Dec 07 23:59

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