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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: They had a habit of having things catch on fire. | Dec 07 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Like, when they didn't need a bunch of something anymore, just stack it all together and there would be a mysterious warehouse fire. | Dec 07 00:00 |
| schestowitz | I did not know that | Dec 07 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Happened a few times. The police never solved it. | Dec 07 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Beck is known for it here | Dec 07 00:01 |
| schestowitz | the police would blame crop circles or something near the barn | Dec 07 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I remember when I was at the park one day and saw smoke rising up in the distance and it turned out an entire warehouse belonging to Thomson went up in flames. | Dec 07 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I asked my dad about that and he said they had a bunch of picture tubes stored there that they couldn't use and that there would probably be a huge insurance settlement. | Dec 07 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | http://www.ibew.org/articles/04journal/0405/p11.htm | Dec 07 00:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibew.org | International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers | Dec 07 00:05 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It was NAFTA that killed it. NAFTA and the Chinese dumping TVs below cost into the US market with Walmart going along with it. | Dec 07 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I asked dad what he thought about Trump's new NAFTA, and he refuses to even acknowledge that it's an updated NAFTA at all, continuing to claim that Trump "terminated" it and got us a totally new deal. | Dec 07 00:08 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705536.jpg | Dec 07 00:09 |
| schestowitz | FTA like TPP? | Dec 07 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mostly, the point of NAFTA was to create a cheap slave labor zone in Mexico and take advantage of the fact that the US and Canada are in a trading bloc with a third world country that buys very little going south. | Dec 07 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The US and Canada are mostly balanced by volume of trade, but NAFTA created huge trade deficits with Mexico that have also caused the US to lose millions of jobs, of which the ones at Thomson were a small part. | Dec 07 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "FTA like TPP?"> Well, the USMCA (new NAFTA) "updates" the treaty and puts in an entire chapter on "Intellectual Property" which is basically what the TPP was going to have in it. | Dec 07 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think the big winners here are drug companies and software patents. | Dec 07 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All three countries have agreed to these terms, and in most cases it's worse for consumers than what was the law previously in any particular country. | Dec 07 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The US has become so much less than what it was that fewer and fewer people are even trying to come here, and the Republicans are calling that a success. | Dec 07 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the economy is booming and there are lots of jobs, that's when you have a lot of people attempting illegal immigration | Dec 07 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When it collapses to a 50 year low, that should tell you there's a problem. It's not worth the effort. Not worth risking your life to try to sneak into a country that's in death rattles. | Dec 07 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy got duped into believing that we were all doing fine here and that his sister was benevolent and then once he got here he found that she was always scheming and taking advantage of him somehow. | Dec 07 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Had absolutely no plan to figure out how to get him any sort of permanent status. She figured she could just keep stringing him along and she'd have complete control. | Dec 07 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I saw what was going on there and I was like that's messed up. | Dec 07 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of people have this idea that things here are better than they actually are. | Dec 07 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The country is in danger of collapsing because it doesn't actually produce. | Dec 07 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's all about the notion that you can just keep borrowing, devaluing, owning ideas. | Dec 07 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When I saw what the "intangible value" of the market cap in most of the largest companies was, I'm like "How do you even arrive at a dollar figure for that?". It's speculative. | Dec 07 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Trump has been a horrible setback in many ways. | Dec 07 00:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People who have lost their job and will never get one like it again were refusing Trade Adjustment Assistance because they kept telling everyone "Oh, he's going to get the coal mine reopened again! He's going to do that. He'll put Crooked Hillary in prison too!". | Dec 07 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | TAA is not even enough, but it's something. You can go back and get an education or training to adapt to a job that might still be out there. Right? | Dec 07 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they refused that because they kept insisting that the coal mines would reopen. | Dec 07 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's like that movie Downfall where Hitler is going crazy in the bunker screaming about how it's everyone else's fault and ordering around military units that don't exist. | Dec 07 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's finally what's set in for Trump and people like my dad. | Dec 07 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Only with this it's "voter fraud" that nobody's allowed to see and jobs that will never exist again that are out there that Joe Biden will destroy. | Dec 07 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "He's going to destroy coal!". The entire industry is....already in bankruptcy court. | Dec 07 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've laid off tens of thousands and told them it's permanent. | Dec 07 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They did all of this before we even had an election and 3.5 years into Trump. | Dec 07 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Trump is trying to sell off oil drilling rights in Alaska's wildlife refuge days before he leaves office. | Dec 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz | yup | Dec 07 00:28 |
| schestowitz | saw that | Dec 07 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But all of the big banks said they refuse to finance it, and the oil companies are bankrupt and gas is $2 a gallon. | Dec 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz | to 'own the libs' | Dec 07 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's not clear that this will work no matter how hard he pushes it. | Dec 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz | demand for energy is low now | Dec 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz | wait until the housing collapse is "real" | Dec 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz | shtf and then no incentive for construction | Dec 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz | lowering quarrying, truck use, welding etc. | Dec 07 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the banks can say they're pro-environment, but what it really is, is that they know a bad investment. | Dec 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz | so even less energy use | Dec 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz | planes, cars... | Dec 07 00:30 |
| schestowitz | https://howiehawkins.us/letter-to-young-people/ | Dec 07 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-howiehawkins.us | Letter to Young People | Howie Hawkins for President | Angela Walker for Vice President | Dec 07 00:30 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a lot of traffic lately for a "shutdown". | Dec 07 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But gas prices have oddly not recovered. | Dec 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz | traffic? | Dec 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz | shutdown? | Dec 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz | you mean lockdown? | Dec 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz | and cars out and about? | Dec 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz | people still have their cars | Dec 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz | and gas is cheap | Dec 07 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yep, people are still out and about. | Dec 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz | they need to keep the battery charged | Dec 07 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can do that with a battery keeper. | Dec 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz | cruising around is the only way to do it until it goes on and on ... on neutral at home/garage | Dec 07 00:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Suicide joke? | Dec 07 00:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :/ | Dec 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz | the battery isn't the sole issue | Dec 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz | the car needs using | Dec 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz | same for planes | Dec 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz | otherwise parts erode | Dec 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz | gathering durst and dirt | Dec 07 00:34 |
| schestowitz | with a plane it can mean falling off the sky | Dec 07 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, mine has been getting fairly good mileage lately. | Dec 07 00:34 |
| schestowitz | for cars maybe parts malfunctioning and roadside maintenance | Dec 07 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had the upper intake manifold replaced most recently. | Dec 07 00:34 |
| schestowitz | same for some electronics, like those wih volatile storage | Dec 07 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It cracked and was causing a vacuum leak. | Dec 07 00:34 |
| schestowitz | I would not want to fly now | Dec 07 00:35 |
| schestowitz | limited staffing at airport | Dec 07 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wouldn't fly for a long time. | Dec 07 00:35 |
| schestowitz | and who knows how long some planes haven't been used for | Dec 07 00:35 |
| schestowitz | some staff laid off | Dec 07 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fact that 60% are saying they have serious misgivings about a vaccine troubles me. | Dec 07 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If this damned thing never ends, we're screwed. | Dec 07 00:35 |
| schestowitz | so either "antivaxxers" are huge | Dec 07 00:36 |
| schestowitz | or people get the impression this is about profit this time around | Dec 07 00:36 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705623.jpg | Dec 07 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people get other vaccines. | Dec 07 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like 90-95% of people get most vaccines. | Dec 07 00:36 |
| schestowitz | maybe CBS, NBC etc. should keep foisting gates as flag bearer | Dec 07 00:36 |
| schestowitz | and see acceptance rates plunge to single-digit | Dec 07 00:36 |
| schestowitz | yes, I'd get most vaccines | Dec 07 00:37 |
| schestowitz | no questions asked | Dec 07 00:37 |
| schestowitz | flu, measles... | Dec 07 00:37 |
| schestowitz | those are well established and tested | Dec 07 00:37 |
| schestowitz | not tested on some small pile of experimental people with secret data for 1-2 months | Dec 07 00:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what keeps you getting up in the morning | Dec 07 00:38 |
| schestowitz | "just a few more days, honey..." | Dec 07 00:38 |
| schestowitz | "then we're done!" | Dec 07 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to clean out those air purifiers already, after just a month. | Dec 07 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They said three but they were getting pretty gross. | Dec 07 00:38 |
| schestowitz | cars are gross | Dec 07 00:39 |
| schestowitz | they're glass and gloss when new | Dec 07 00:39 |
| schestowitz | with plastics and all | Dec 07 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and that wears off fast. | Dec 07 00:39 |
| schestowitz | after a few months you get everyone's saliva and farts and stuff all over | Dec 07 00:39 |
| schestowitz | and there's no easy way to maintain and clean them | Dec 07 00:39 |
| schestowitz | so you pay $20,000 for chassis with chairs on it | Dec 07 00:40 |
| schestowitz | and some engine | Dec 07 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Jimmy Fallen says, "Can't we just go one week without Rudy Giuliani leaking something?". | Dec 07 00:40 |
| schestowitz | plus some electric windows made in china | Dec 07 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He was farting at that ridiculous "voter fraud" hearing with that idiot lady that he brought. | Dec 07 00:40 |
| schestowitz | to keep the car electrician f'ing about with, billing you every now and then to 'fix' them | Dec 07 00:40 |
| MinceR | 07 013954 < schestowitz> and there's no easy way to maintain and clean them | Dec 07 00:41 |
| MinceR | sure there is | Dec 07 00:41 |
| MinceR | take it to the dealer for maintenance and to a good car wash for cleaning :> | Dec 07 00:41 |
| schestowitz | [00:40] <DaemonFC[m]> He was farting at that ridiculous "voter fraud" hearing with that idiot lady that he brought. | Dec 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz | LOL! | Dec 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Giuliani? | Dec 07 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Dec 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz | <lol@@@@@@@@@@ | Dec 07 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He farted several times and then one of the Republican state senators had this look on his face that was priceless. | Dec 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz | so GOP is just racist gross ol people now? | Dec 07 00:42 |
| schestowitz | "I don't care if you call me racist" | Dec 07 00:43 |
| schestowitz | "I have gas, so what?" | Dec 07 00:43 |
| schestowitz | "my daughter is... you know..." | Dec 07 00:43 |
| schestowitz | you know the types | Dec 07 00:43 |
| schestowitz | the closeted tripled k's weaponised by don and rudolph | Dec 07 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Adold | Dec 07 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Adolf | Dec 07 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | SNL did a cold open based on the hearing. | Dec 07 00:44 |
| schestowitz | it's him who suggested a "Muslim ban" | Dec 07 00:44 |
| schestowitz | his words | Dec 07 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had Giuliani farting and blaming it on various people. | Dec 07 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they had two guys show up to testify that they wanted a redo, and the Republican state senator guy asks "You want another election?" and they're like "No, we want another shot ad kidnapping the governor!". | Dec 07 00:45 |
| schestowitz | he's a piece of shit without the shit :-) | Dec 07 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "So we can get back to our jobs!" | Dec 07 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then one of the people goes, "And what are your jobs right now?". | Dec 07 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And they sort of flub the answers. | Dec 07 00:45 |
| schestowitz | dyer-in-chief | Dec 07 00:45 |
| schestowitz | and they said our PM was a "Clown" | Dec 07 00:49 |
| schestowitz | The Circus seems to be across the ocean for now | Dec 07 00:50 |
| schestowitz | wait unless "Sleepy Joe" (to be fair, he is quite dull and sleepy) takes over | Dec 07 00:50 |
| schestowitz | the Russian circus goes Romanian | Dec 07 00:50 |
| schestowitz | bye, bye elephant | Dec 07 00:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: This whole attempt to overturn the election has been comically bad. | Dec 07 01:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I honestly don't know why he would have put Giuliani in charge of it except maybe lawyers that have a respectable practice kept backing out when they got too much attention for it. | Dec 07 01:47 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "Giuliani was admitted Sunday to Georgetown University Medical Center in Washington, D.C., according to a person familiar with the matter who was not authorized to speak publicly." | Dec 07 02:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The Democrats brought in ballots in the pudding cups and tuna sandwiches! | Dec 07 02:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | farts | Dec 07 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | heart monitor flatlines | Dec 07 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This almost couldn't get worse if Trump was trying. You have to wonder if Andy Kaufman is still alive and pretending to be Giuliani or something. | Dec 07 02:24 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Debian 11.... I was really interested in Fedora's new default BtrFS setup and the no swap file and the zram features. | Dec 07 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not running with swap partition reduces wear and disk I/O, and means you have more usable space on your SSD of course, to add to the BtrFS compression. | Dec 07 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I used to run Windows without a swap file if my system had plenty of RAM, but Linux goes nuts if it can't put things there. | Dec 07 02:43 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://nypost.com/2020/12/06/arizona-legislature-shuts-down-after-giuliani-tests-positive-for-covid/ | Dec 07 06:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nypost.com | Arizona legislature shuts down after Giuliani tests positive for COVID | Dec 07 06:18 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: let's see if he makes it to xmas | Dec 07 07:07 |
| schestowitz | or can see the deer, Rudolph | Dec 07 07:07 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/carroll/opinion/cc-op-community-voices-120320-20201203-j6r3onz5cbc2ppxx5imlujdem4-story.html | Dec 07 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.baltimoresun.com | Clark: ‘Have we waited too long?’ Pearl Harbor, deniers and climate change | COMMENTARY - Carroll County Times | Dec 07 10:26 | |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: "Where is the proof?" – it's not actually true, it's only comparable to a throttled Intel that Macbooks use. | Dec 07 11:32 |
| XRevan86 | But, to be fair, it's still very impressive. | Dec 07 11:33 |
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| Ariadne | schestowitz: [04:38:40] <href> majestic nvme crash (bad series? happened on two boxes at the same time). Backups were corrupted. got them working last night, will be back up soonish | Dec 07 12:01 |
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| vZS1 | http://techrights.org/2020/12/07/charlotte-kilpatrick-lies/ | Dec 07 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lies and Fake News With Quotation Marks: The Latest Strategy From Team UPC? | Techrights | Dec 07 13:11 | |
| vZS1 | What is "IP counsel"? | Dec 07 13:12 |
| vZS1 | I feel like that's a culprit here but it isn't immediately obvious from what I've read in the RSS item. | Dec 07 13:13 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: ^ | Dec 07 13:14 |
| MinceR | sounds like a networking consultant | Dec 07 13:49 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705362.jpg | Dec 07 14:09 |
| vZS1 | Lol | Dec 07 14:14 |
| vZS1 | Ah yes, some rando "consultant". We must trust. | Dec 07 14:15 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://i.imgur.com/TZseF0r.jpeg | Dec 07 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | [13:13] <vZS1> I feel like that's a culprit here but it isn't immediately obvious from what I've read in the RSS item. | Dec 07 16:30 |
| schestowitz | AYE PEE Cancel | Dec 07 16:30 |
| schestowitz | When someone urinates on the floor | Dec 07 16:31 |
| schestowitz | "legals" (the legal dept) sends out a janitor | Dec 07 16:31 |
| schestowitz | it's the AYE PEE Cancel | Dec 07 16:31 |
| schestowitz | [12:01] <Ariadne> schestowitz: [04:38:40] <href> majestic nvme crash (bad series? happened on two boxes at the same time). Backups were corrupted. got them working last night, will be back up soonish | Dec 07 16:32 |
| schestowitz | WOOHOO!! | Dec 07 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: thank you thank you thank youy | Dec 07 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Good news. pleroma.site and pleroma.fr will be back shortly. Very serious incident. Backups salvaged. Relieved... | Dec 07 16:33 |
| schestowitz | this means viera will work again | Dec 07 16:35 |
| schestowitz | I was already thinking about coding something to replace what was done | Dec 07 16:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-12-07-20-intl/h_0792022078f813e0e6a43ecd327c69d3 | Dec 07 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnn.com | This surge is different because "it’s really about health care capacity," Surgeon General says | Dec 07 16:58 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The "Trump lost the election so we can say it's bad now." surge. | Dec 07 16:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Dr. Fauci is getting a promotion under the new administration, schestowitz | Dec 07 16:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He'll be in the position that Dr. Horrifying Human Wave Scott Atlas was in. | Dec 07 17:00 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: what's pleroma? | Dec 07 17:03 |
| schestowitz | elixir-based implementation for social control media, fediverse-compatible | Dec 07 17:03 |
| schestowitz | agplv3 iirc | Dec 07 17:04 |
| schestowitz | and Ariadne was one of its developers | Dec 07 17:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | electoral-vote dot com is talking about the process by which electoral votes could be challenged and thrown out by Congress. | Dec 07 17:06 |
| vZS1 | Oh | Dec 07 17:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Forgot to mention that even if there was a challenge, both the House and Senate would have to agree, or the challenge to those votes would fail and they must be counted. | Dec 07 17:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Obviously the House isn't going to do that. | Dec 07 17:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So this is ridiculous. | Dec 07 17:07 |
| vZS1 | I'm guessing viera scrapes it | Dec 07 17:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The process for a challenge is that something so awful must have happened that for Congress to throw those votes out there would need to be a majority of the House and Senate to confirm the challenge. | Dec 07 17:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | While the Republicans might have done that had they controlled the House, they don't. Not only do they not, but at least seven Republican Senators have come forward and said they wouldn't go along with that. | Dec 07 17:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you proofread with me? | Dec 07 17:10 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: scraping is the wrong word | Dec 07 17:10 |
| schestowitz | it federates and writes to IRC | Dec 07 17:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, real quick. | Dec 07 17:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Have maybe ten minutes. | Dec 07 17:10 |
| schestowitz | while viera was down I wrote a bot that does this in real time: http://schestowitz.com/2020/12/07/ | Dec 07 17:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Dec 07 17:10 | |
| schestowitz | it basically writes to kate, then saves | Dec 07 17:10 |
| schestowitz | over ssh | Dec 07 17:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: ok, cheers | Dec 07 17:11 |
| schestowitz | it'll be short | Dec 07 17:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, the Democrats could get as far along in the process of challenging Trump electors. | Dec 07 17:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They could say we hereby challenge North Carolina's votes because we believe that Republican trickery and voter suppression makes those electoral votes invalid. | Dec 07 17:12 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Then they could approve the challenge in the House just to watch it die in the Senate. So this idea of objection is going nowhere, and even if they did stall it out through January 20th, Nancy Pelosi would become the president. | Dec 07 17:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump's term would expire and the 25th amendment would be activated. | Dec 07 17:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: | Dec 07 17:14 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/12/07/quick-fixes-at-epo/ | Dec 07 17:14 |
| schestowitz | ignore image sizes | Dec 07 17:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There is no scenario here where Trump is the sitting president after the 20th of January. | Dec 07 17:14 |
| schestowitz | I will correct them now | Dec 07 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Non-dialogue: EPO “Staff Representatives Retire or Resign Before Expiration of Their Term of Office Because of Their Fatigue and Disillusionment.” | Techrights | Dec 07 17:14 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | talking to — and listening to — | Dec 07 17:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | talking and listening to | Dec 07 17:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | later said he | Dec 07 17:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | that he | Dec 07 17:16 |
| schestowitz | I will clarify better | Dec 07 17:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | told or facts he was | Dec 07 17:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | told, or facts that he was | Dec 07 17:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We have this 3-part series demonstrates | Dec 07 17:17 |
| schestowitz | amended | Dec 07 17:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | which demonstrates | Dec 07 17:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This one wasn't so bad. | Dec 07 17:18 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Dec 07 17:18 |
| schestowitz | btw | Dec 07 17:18 |
| schestowitz | rianne asked me today | Dec 07 17:18 |
| schestowitz | who looks after the house, you, mandy or both? | Dec 07 17:18 |
| schestowitz | we shopped for lots of fruit and veg today | Dec 07 17:18 |
| schestowitz | (because she knows he works) | Dec 07 17:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Me, mostly. | Dec 07 17:20 |
| schestowitz | that's what she guessed | Dec 07 17:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've managed to keep household expenses largely under control. | Dec 07 17:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So we've managed to do okay. | Dec 07 17:21 |
| schestowitz | cool | Dec 07 17:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The electric company emailed me that they approved my rebates for all those appliances I bought with the energy star logo on them. | Dec 07 17:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Free money. Of course, they have an incentive. If you buy something that uses less power, they have to generate less. | Dec 07 17:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | About 5 years ago when I finally bought an LED television I saw my electric bill go down quite a bit. | Dec 07 17:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And again when I switched from a desktop to an ultra efficient laptop. | Dec 07 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | computers don't take up much power anymore | Dec 07 17:30 |
| schestowitz | they do more with less voltage | Dec 07 17:30 |
| schestowitz | your power-hungry things are the machines, the physical things like washing machine | Dec 07 17:30 |
| schestowitz | or bright light such as garden projectorss | Dec 07 17:30 |
| schestowitz | my screens here give me enough light, so I rarely need to turn on other lights | Dec 07 17:30 |
| schestowitz | 6 screens, sometimes more | Dec 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | I went to check for more today | Dec 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | I can fit up to 12 screens | Dec 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | but that would be too much, I would not know what to do with them | Dec 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | at some point you just add more distraction than signal | Dec 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | screen arrangement needs changing tonight, as the no-JS interface of twitter that I used minimally every 2 hour (cron job) will be retired next week. Twitter kills it. | Dec 07 17:33 |
| vZS1 | Twitter is where the twits go | Dec 07 17:34 |
| inky | schestowitz: i know what to do with 12 screens. (: i'd open all my IRC and XMPP group chats on each. (: | Dec 07 17:34 |
| superkuh | More screens means more human. | Dec 07 17:34 |
| superkuh | I'm currently at 4 in the main span (which mouse/keyboard is shared over) and 2 more accessory monitors. | Dec 07 17:35 |
| vZS1 | Use a tiling window manager | Dec 07 17:35 |
| vZS1 | That and tmux | Dec 07 17:35 |
| vZS1 | I only use 1 monitor | Dec 07 17:35 |
| superkuh | No accounting for taste. | Dec 07 17:35 |
| schestowitz | it's possible | Dec 07 17:35 |
| schestowitz | I did a lot of reading about it today | Dec 07 17:35 |
| schestowitz | some people move from multi to single because they say it reduced distraction | Dec 07 17:36 |
| superkuh | I lost access to twitter about 8 months ago when they broke my perl scraping scripts permanently. | Dec 07 17:36 |
| schestowitz | inky: that too | Dec 07 17:36 |
| schestowitz | if you have that many groups | Dec 07 17:36 |
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| vZS1 | I also have 2 HDMI inputs on my monitor | Dec 07 17:36 |
| schestowitz | the pi has 2 HDMI | Dec 07 17:37 |
| schestowitz | I use neither at the moment | Dec 07 17:37 |
| schestowitz | I plug it in if we need something exceptional | Dec 07 17:37 |
| schestowitz | ssh -X also works | Dec 07 17:37 |
| vZS1 | I have an air-gapped machine on the second HDMI input for my monitor. | Dec 07 17:38 |
| vZS1 | I just use the button to manually switch to it | Dec 07 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/s0urfruit/status/1336006808926892033 | Dec 07 18:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@s0urfruit: This is off of Reddit https://t.co/grjdsQ3QGE | Dec 07 18:12 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Not too many markdowns today. | Dec 07 19:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pork chops and a lasagna hamburger helper. Meh, it's something I guess. | Dec 07 19:15 |
| schestowitz | we got about 15 KG | Dec 07 19:15 |
| schestowitz | mostly fruit and veg | Dec 07 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Walmart UK (Sainsburys) | Dec 07 19:16 |
| schestowitz | we only take anything from there if it's like quarter price, otherwise boycott the place | Dec 07 19:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They we're having issues with celery again. Not much left and what there is was almost rotten. | Dec 07 19:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I guess I'll head down to Lewis Fresh Market tomorrow | Dec 07 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.businessinsider.com/majority-republicans-dont-believe-biden-won-election-gallup-poll-2020-12 | Dec 07 19:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | 83% of Republicans don't believe Biden won the 2020 election: poll - Business Insider | Dec 07 19:19 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cue "Resist!" And "#NotMyPresident". | Dec 07 19:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/fear-banned-snl-saturday-night-live-john-belushi-video-1981/amp/ | Dec 07 19:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-faroutmagazine.co.uk | When punk band Fear were banned from Saturday Night Live | Dec 07 19:22 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think they banned Sinead O'Connor for ripping up an image of the pope. | Dec 07 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Somehow it's still unacceptable to protest a group of child molesters with mafia ties who have helped commit atrocities, such as not finding any real criticism at all of the concentration camps during WW2. | Dec 07 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They totally cut me and Mandy loose instead of continuing to help our immigration case because Maricel went insane on them. | Dec 07 19:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who cares, I guess? I can probably deal with tying up the loose ends. | Dec 07 19:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of it is grab forms and follow instructions at this point. | Dec 07 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Many Trump supporters are deniers | Dec 07 19:26 |
| schestowitz | of many things | Dec 07 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Birtherism 2.0 | Dec 07 19:26 |
| schestowitz | BYE-DON | Dec 07 19:26 |
| schestowitz | at least Hillary won popular vote | Dec 07 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Biden won along all aspects | Dec 07 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | These people have always been out there I guess, supporting Republicans that just hadn't gone totally nuts yet. | Dec 07 19:26 |
| schestowitz | The Con man was not even close | Dec 07 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Charles Koch said he screwed up by funding the TEA Party, but he's rich and probably won't have anyone in his circles dealing with consequences. | Dec 07 19:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unless it does cause he country to collapse,but you can buy citizenship elsewhere. | Dec 07 19:27 |
| schestowitz | he paid techdirt also | Dec 07 19:27 |
| schestowitz | many people don't know or remember that | Dec 07 19:27 |
| schestowitz | sometimes techdirt/masnick feel too libertarian to | Dec 07 19:28 |
| schestowitz | me | Dec 07 19:28 |
| schestowitz | like the "hands off" wrt tech companies | Dec 07 19:28 |
| schestowitz | even malicious ones | Dec 07 19:28 |
| schestowitz | that manipulate people | Dec 07 19:28 |
| schestowitz | but with copyrights techdirt is like, "keep companies away from us" | Dec 07 19:28 |
| schestowitz | and hands off THE PEOPLE | Dec 07 19:28 |
| schestowitz | don't see why he ever though taking koch money was a good diea | Dec 07 19:29 |
| schestowitz | idea | Dec 07 19:29 |
| schestowitz | probably really desperate when SLAPPed by fraud Shiva | Dec 07 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those lawsuits are just intended to bury you with legal costs until you go bankrupt. | Dec 07 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And rich people can silence their critics by sitting there and doing it all day. | Dec 07 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even filing them in states they don't live in and that you don't live in, to find inferior legal systems. | Dec 07 19:32 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/philosophy-3 | Dec 07 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Philosophy | Dec 07 19:35 | |
| search_social | yeah lawfare is a huge problem | Dec 07 19:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Trump said he planned to make SLAPP suits easier to win. | Dec 07 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that he could sue the news until they wouldn't dare speak the truth about him anymore. | Dec 07 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After he lost the election, the court threw out his lawsuit against CNN the next day. | Dec 07 19:58 |
| search_social | i think we all know which side uses slapp suits to silence their opposition | Dec 07 19:59 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, that bankrupt Trump-supporter coal CEO Bob Murray used one on John Oliver. | Dec 07 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Murray eventually dropped it and so John Oliver had another show full of insults towards Murray, although he ran them all by HBO's lawyers this time. | Dec 07 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He said the point was that HBO had enough money that if Murray came back they didn't give a fuck. | Dec 07 20:05 |
| search_social | hold on i'm crying about how little guy john oliver is such a victim | Dec 07 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But maybe independent journalists and bloggers don't. | Dec 07 20:05 |
| search_social | that guy's obviously ruined thousands of people with slapp lawsuits | Dec 07 20:05 |
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| search_social | and was indignant one got used against him for once | Dec 07 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then there was the beef industry lawsuit against Oprah for talking about Pink Slime. | Dec 07 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_slime | Dec 07 20:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pink slime - Wikipedia | Dec 07 20:07 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everyone rushed to take it out, including McDonalds. | Dec 07 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Oh, as soon as nobody is watching them, they'll slip it back in.". | Dec 07 20:08 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/sleeping | Dec 07 20:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Sleeping | Dec 07 20:08 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The food safety agencies in Canada and the EU don't even allow it because it has ammonia in it. | Dec 07 20:08 |
| search_social | oh wow oprah | Dec 07 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just more industry crap that we're supposed to consume because it's good for them. | Dec 07 20:10 |
| search_social | another poor little guy | Dec 07 20:11 |
| search_social | being abused by the system | Dec 07 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, these dangerous Coronavirus vaccines. | Dec 07 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're not going to give them to anyone important. | Dec 07 20:11 |
| search_social | i'm sure oprah has never filed thousands of slapp lawsuits against people | Dec 07 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'll just shove them in all of us and then they'll come out when they think it's safe. | Dec 07 20:11 |
| search_social | wait you are anti-vax now? | Dec 07 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And some people will be very badly injured. | Dec 07 20:11 |
| search_social | based | Dec 07 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, consider this. Even though only about 20% of Americans got the vaccine for the fake flu pandemic in 1976, hundreds were left paralyzed, and a few hundred died from the vaccine. | Dec 07 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even though the flu itself never got off the military base that had the outbreak. | Dec 07 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was an election year rush job that President Ford was hoping would score him some artificial approval rating points after he had pardoned Nixon. | Dec 07 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And by 1976, we knew how to make a flu vaccine. | Dec 07 20:13 |
| search_social | yeah i'm anti-vax too | Dec 07 20:13 |
| search_social | it's a well-known right-wing position | Dec 07 20:13 |
| search_social | happy your onboard | Dec 07 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The US went ahead, against the advice of WHO mind you, and with no other countries doing a vaccine program. | Dec 07 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And probably thousands of Americans either died of the vaccine or were badly injured. | Dec 07 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Given that we've never had a Coronavirus vaccine, much less any vaccine at all based on mRNA, what do you think we'll get when they give this out and demand that everyone takes it? | Dec 07 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It may work just fine, but nobody knows. | Dec 07 20:15 |
| vZS1 | Here in the UK we're guinea pigs for the new Covid vaccine. I'm not anti-vax, mind you, but how long did they trial this vaccine for? | Dec 07 20:15 |
| search_social | i mean they say it causes sterility | Dec 07 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've followed around thousands of study participants for a couple of months and won't even release what they know of that happened to them so far. | Dec 07 20:15 |
| superkuh | We'll get a lot of ignorant people like yourself mistaking completely unrelated sickness and events in people's lives as something caused by the vaccine. I guarantee it. Also, I remember why I stopped coming here. | Dec 07 20:15 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | That's not a recipe for getting the public to trust you about the vaccine. | Dec 07 20:16 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: sent you a little nugget by email. | Dec 07 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They need to release a complete side effect profile detailing what happened to what percentage of study participants and something that shows it actually works and how they arrived at that conclusion. | Dec 07 20:17 |
| vZS1 | Yeah. I'm concerned about the lack of data here. | Dec 07 20:17 |
| search_social | yeah | Dec 07 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All we have so far are news blurbs with scant details and quotes from Bill Gates. | Dec 07 20:17 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not saying that there's no acceptable amount of risk. | Dec 07 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have to show that the vaccine won't be more of a risk than what we're doing now for the people they intend to give it to. | Dec 07 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you're an 80 year old man, obviously your risk from the Coronavirus itself is probably a lot worse than the risk from the vaccine. | Dec 07 20:18 |
| search_social | yes | Dec 07 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you're a healthcare worker who keeps getting exposed to it in an ICU ward... | Dec 07 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So we need to do a limited rollout anyway due to the fact that we can't produce enough and there are people where the risk of Coronavirus is severe. | Dec 07 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So when Gates says that, he's just saying what anyone could sit down and think about for a few minutes. | Dec 07 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Doesn't need a medical degree. | Dec 07 20:20 |
| search_social | don't tell me we trust the windows guy | Dec 07 20:21 |
| smnthermes | > Also, I remember why I stopped coming here | Dec 07 20:21 |
| smnthermes | Oof | Dec 07 20:21 |
| vZS1 | smnthermes: who said that? | Dec 07 20:21 |
| smnthermes | superkuh | Dec 07 20:22 |
| vZS1 | Ah | Dec 07 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, 95% of the people we're losing are elderly. | Dec 07 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So while saying "Oh give it to them!" sounds cruel given that we only barely know what the vaccine does, they're almost all of the Coronavirus deaths and they won't have to live another 40-80 years with whatever the vaccine ends up doing. | Dec 07 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If anything. | Dec 07 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's really the least bad option that we have here. | Dec 07 20:27 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/reality | Dec 07 20:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Reality | Dec 07 20:31 | |
| vZS1 | Is there any WHO report on this vaccine? | Dec 07 20:36 |
| vZS1 | PR spin is about all I've heard so far | Dec 07 20:36 |
| schestowitz | which vaccine? | Dec 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | They mocked the Russian one | Dec 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | if from US, good | Dec 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Russia, bad | Dec 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates, good | Dec 07 20:37 |
| vZS1 | The Covid one the UK is rolling out | Dec 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Putin, bad | Dec 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | when the media has all those owners and sponsored it's trouble | Dec 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | the UK will have an experiment | Dec 07 20:38 |
| schestowitz | not a vaccinr | Dec 07 20:38 |
| schestowitz | *vaccine | Dec 07 20:38 |
| schestowitz | vaccines take 5-10 years to make and test | Dec 07 20:38 |
| schestowitz | not a few months | Dec 07 20:38 |
| vZS1 | > the UK will have an experiment | Dec 07 20:38 |
| vZS1 | Ok | Dec 07 20:38 |
| vZS1 | That's what I thought | Dec 07 20:38 |
| schestowitz | experiments promote by Bush, Obama, Kind and Queen, and Gates too | Dec 07 20:39 |
| schestowitz | I wonder who deemed it a good idea to make them marketers of the thing | Dec 07 20:39 |
| schestowitz | it's not a badge of endorsement | Dec 07 20:39 |
| schestowitz | it's more like, "THOSE RICH PEOPLE AND WAR CRIMINALS REALLY WANT YOU TO TAKE THIS THING" | Dec 07 20:39 |
| MinceR | it seems it works on a lot of stupid people | Dec 07 20:39 |
| vZS1 | Ma, I'm going to be a guinea pig. | Dec 07 20:40 |
| schestowitz | sometimes they pay the 'volunteers' | Dec 07 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Bill Gates as a vaccine expert is ridiculous, because even when he makes sense, it would be like CNN saying there's a 5 alarm fire, and here's Bill Gates, fire fighting expert, going "Well, I think, really, fundamentally, the first thing you need to do is find a hose.....". | Dec 07 20:40 |
| schestowitz | lots of poor people in the UK now | Dec 07 20:40 |
| schestowitz | they pay them and ask them to sign papers (waivers) | Dec 07 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And everyone's like, "Oooooh, we need to listen to this guy and his expert knowledge of putting out fires!". | Dec 07 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Gates used to test vaccines on Indians and Africans | Dec 07 20:40 |
| schestowitz | he pretended this was charity | Dec 07 20:40 |
| schestowitz | a charity that bribed their local media | Dec 07 20:41 |
| vZS1 | > Gates used to test vaccines on Indians and Africans | Dec 07 20:41 |
| schestowitz | and they could not sue when things went wrong an volunteers even died | Dec 07 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Gates invested in the companies that did those clinical trials | Dec 07 20:41 |
| vZS1 | This is also what I thought. But I don't have any medical knowledge do I just sat with my tin foil hat in the corner. | Dec 07 20:41 |
| schestowitz | he still tests on South Africans | Dec 07 20:41 |
| schestowitz | but I've stopped tracking those things | Dec 07 20:41 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure he still does this in many places | Dec 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | which is why many call for his arrest | Dec 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Professor Gates almost finished college | Dec 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | almost | Dec 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | wasn't even a particularly good student there | Dec 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | but who needs a college degree anyway | Dec 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | His parents were worth billions | Dec 07 20:43 |
| schestowitz | the media they sponsor lies to people | Dec 07 20:43 |
| schestowitz | as if, be a geek | Dec 07 20:43 |
| schestowitz | make something geeky | Dec 07 20:43 |
| schestowitz | and become a billionaire | Dec 07 20:43 |
| MinceR | no, his parents _had_ billions | Dec 07 20:43 |
| MinceR | if they're anything like him, they're worthless | Dec 07 20:43 |
| schestowitz | the media never talks about how much it helps with your mom is a banking Maxwell | Dec 07 20:43 |
| schestowitz | a scion who herself accomplished nothing | Dec 07 20:43 |
| schestowitz | born to a powerful oligarchy/dynasty | Dec 07 20:43 |
| schestowitz | before Microsoft Bill made a company that went bankrupt | Dec 07 20:44 |
| vZS1 | I'm just worried about the entire British population being used as lab rats. | Dec 07 20:44 |
| schestowitz | they don't like those terms | Dec 07 20:44 |
| schestowitz | "lab rats" | Dec 07 20:44 |
| schestowitz | someone send me death threats over it | Dec 07 20:44 |
| schestowitz | in USENET | Dec 07 20:44 |
| vZS1 | Boo hoo | Dec 07 20:44 |
| schestowitz | the context being some bodybuilders with their anabolic steroids | Dec 07 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Schwarzenegger was an early "lab rat" | Dec 07 20:45 |
| schestowitz | lots of health issues | Dec 07 20:45 |
| schestowitz | but he can afford bypasses and replacements | Dec 07 20:45 |
| schestowitz | not everyone can | Dec 07 20:45 |
| schestowitz | even lying next to Stallone in the hospital | Dec 07 20:45 |
| schestowitz | They can afford to get back the years they'd have lost | Dec 07 20:46 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Dec 07 20:46 |
| schestowitz | re covid | Dec 07 20:46 |
| schestowitz | be careful of the antivaxx label | Dec 07 20:46 |
| schestowitz | it's being weaponised again | Dec 07 20:46 |
| schestowitz | sometimes tried it a decade ago against techrightss | Dec 07 20:46 |
| schestowitz | when we spoke about what bill did in india and africa etc. | Dec 07 20:46 |
| schestowitz | One of many dozens http://techrights.org/2014/10/21/bill-gates-india/ | Dec 07 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | India May be Taking Bill Gates to Court for Misusing His So-called ‘Charity’ to Conduct Clinical Trials Without Consent on Behalf of Companies He Invests in | Techrights | Dec 07 20:47 | |
| schestowitz | more recent http://techrights.org/2020/10/10/bill-gates-in-india/ | Dec 07 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conspiracy Theories Have Successfully Distracted From Perfectly Legitimate and Real Scandals of Bill Gates in India, the Fertile Ground for Unethical Mass Experimentation on Humans | Techrights | Dec 07 20:47 | |
| vZS1 | It's a bit hard to label someone that takes vaccines as anti vax | Dec 07 20:47 |
| schestowitz | I got many vaccines | Dec 07 20:47 |
| vZS1 | I take them before trips and such. | Dec 07 20:47 |
| schestowitz | but reputable ones | Dec 07 20:47 |
| schestowitz | the ones everyone takes | Dec 07 20:47 |
| vZS1 | Yeah | Dec 07 20:47 |
| vZS1 | That's what I mean | Dec 07 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Those AIDSVAX studies too, I'm sure. | Dec 07 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh let's give this to male prostitutes in Thailand. | Dec 07 20:48 |
| schestowitz | I got those vaccines before goign to Asia | Dec 07 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How long will they live anyway? | Dec 07 20:48 |
| schestowitz | using hepa and more | Dec 07 20:48 |
| vZS1 | I've had multiple rabies vaccines as well | Dec 07 20:48 |
| schestowitz | I got that 3 years ago | Dec 07 20:48 |
| schestowitz | a dog bit me | Dec 07 20:48 |
| schestowitz | a | Dec 07 20:48 |
| schestowitz | a puppy | Dec 07 20:49 |
| schestowitz | that I was trying to save | Dec 07 20:49 |
| schestowitz | she survive another year or so | Dec 07 20:49 |
| schestowitz | rabies shots are a pain | Dec 07 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "VaxGen's leadership enthusiastically applied to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for permission to undertake Phase III studies in the U. S. on large numbers of at-risk volunteers. But since some of the Phase I and Phase II volunteers had become infected with HIV while taking the vaccine, showing that the vaccine was not 100% effective, and it was not proven that the vaccine itself hadn't caused these | Dec 07 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | infections, the FDA and other members of the medical community hesitated and finally declined to approve Phase III testing "until more was learned about HIV immunity", despite the fact that early versions of successful vaccines have rarely been 100% effective, and even the 1955 Salk polio vaccine was only 70% effective, superseded as it was seven years later by the Sabin vaccine. With human lives at stake, however, | Dec 07 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | the FDA could not risk condoning further trials until it knew what had caused the infections." | Dec 07 20:49 |
| schestowitz | you need to get like 5 dozes on different days, weeks apart | Dec 07 20:49 |
| schestowitz | *5 doses | Dec 07 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Notice the FDA's concern here. | Dec 07 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The vaccine itself might have been causing HIV. | Dec 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | not even vaccines per se | Dec 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | just something you take after you get it | Dec 07 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But since the early trials were outside the US.... | Dec 07 20:50 |
| vZS1 | Yeah. I got scratched by a cat I rescued. | Dec 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: as usuall | Dec 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | the US is litigious | Dec 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | people sue over slipping on the floor | Dec 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | even when no real harm done | Dec 07 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There is a US federal law allowing foreigners to sue US corporations in US courts over damages. | Dec 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | and where there were signs to warn | Dec 07 20:51 |
| vZS1 | I forgot how long rabies vaccine lasts | Dec 07 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "In response, VaxGen turned to the international community, seeking a place that would sanction clinical trials of AIDSVAX, and after negotiating with AIDS-plagued officials in Africa and Asia, landed upon Thailand." | Dec 07 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wikipedia.... | Dec 07 20:51 |
| vZS1 | Need to ask my nurse | Dec 07 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | AIDS_plagued officials. | Dec 07 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | See also: Shithole Countries | Dec 07 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "A report published in the December 2009 New England Journal of Medicine on this Thailand clinical trial, also known as the RV144 trial, of the vaccine known as "ALVAC-AIDSVAX B/E" showed the combination treatment's efficacy ranging from 26.1 to 31.4%, which though far from optimal makes the combination AIDSVAX-Aventis vaccine one of the first important milestones in the world's struggle to produce a globally | Dec 07 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | effective HIV vaccine. However, during the study seven participants were removed from the study when the results showed they had already been found with an HIV-1 infection at baseline, which changed the result from 26.1 to 31.4% vaccination efficacy." | Dec 07 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder is it unethical to withhold a 31.4% effective HIV vaccine from an at-risk population as one tool to get the epidemic under control. | Dec 07 20:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:51] <vZS1> I forgot how long rabies vaccine lasts | Dec 07 20:56 |
| schestowitz | not long at all | Dec 07 20:56 |
| schestowitz | first time I traveled, the lady who vaccinated me said, "don't get bitten by monkeys" | Dec 07 20:57 |
| schestowitz | she thought of Thailand | Dec 07 20:57 |
| schestowitz | because the NHS gave nothing for rabies | Dec 07 20:57 |
| vZS1 | I paid for mine in another country | Dec 07 20:57 |
| schestowitz | they're disastrous with vaccination, but it's not something you pay for separately | Dec 07 20:57 |
| vZS1 | I didn't take them in the UK | Dec 07 20:57 |
| schestowitz | that's what they told me the second time | Dec 07 20:57 |
| schestowitz | to get it in the airport | Dec 07 20:57 |
| schestowitz | after TWICE they forgot to stock up | Dec 07 20:58 |
| vZS1 | Did you see the email I sent you btw? | Dec 07 20:58 |
| schestowitz | even after they had ordered it | Dec 07 20:58 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: I do email tomorrow | Dec 07 20:58 |
| vZS1 | Fair enough. | Dec 07 20:58 |
| schestowitz | I can sympathise with NHS now. | Dec 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | because 1) it's already attacked by bad actors | Dec 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | 2) tories want to make it unpopular to privatise | Dec 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | 3) the alternatives are worse | Dec 07 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | 4) it's actively besieged, so these lack of supplies, nurses etc. are part of the plan | Dec 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | 5) I work for them | Dec 07 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | on some of their servers | Dec 07 20:59 |
| vZS1 | In pretty sure the NHS was being sabotaged since the Cameron days | Dec 07 21:00 |
| schestowitz | even earlier today I chatted with some trusts, sent them data | Dec 07 21:00 |
| vZS1 | Particularly because of your item (2) | Dec 07 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Cameron for sure | Dec 07 21:00 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio:important) https://i.imgur.com/IbfcXwF.mp4 | Dec 07 21:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And on top of it all, they had to save Boris the idiot while knowing he's part of the group trying to destroy them. | Dec 07 21:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After he increased their workload in the middle of this by exposing his dumb ass to the virus unnecessarily. | Dec 07 21:02 |
| schestowitz | US passing 290k victims now | Dec 07 21:04 |
| schestowitz | covid19 numbers suggest maybe 1500 dead today | Dec 07 21:04 |
| schestowitz | those figures are for a sunday | Dec 07 21:04 |
| schestowitz | texas, georgia and az now reporting yet | Dec 07 21:05 |
| schestowitz | those alone would be over 300 | Dec 07 21:05 |
| schestowitz | esp. tx | Dec 07 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Remember Wil Wheaton pissing off his parents by mentioning that they thought Schwarzenegger was a "steroid shooting lech" until he ran for Governor as a Republican and then he was a "fine man who always took his vitamin supplements"?. | Dec 07 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If nothing else, he foretold the coming of Trump about 12 years early. | Dec 07 21:06 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 07 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because years before Trump ran for president as a Republican I'm sure many would have lambasted him as an industrial strength adulterer with six bankruptcies and 3 mail order brides. So what does he know, anyway? | Dec 07 21:07 |
| vZS1 | "industrial strength adulterer" | Dec 07 21:08 |
| vZS1 | I'm going to save that for later | Dec 07 21:08 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 07 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fact that Joe Biden defeated Trump tells you how bad Trump really was, right? | Dec 07 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Biden had been running since 1988 and he even got defeated in that primary by Michael Dukakis, who was so weak that he only won like a few states. | Dec 07 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The whole point of Obama bringing him on was that he wanted a VP who wouldn't overshadow him and get in the way and actually demand to run things, as Dick Cheney had done. | Dec 07 21:11 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Constitutionally, the Vice President can do a lot of things if they choose to assert themselves in the Senate. Cheney rarely presided over the Senate, but he did assert himself there quite a bit compared to his recent predecessors. | Dec 07 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Biden didn't really do much of anything in eight years as VP. | Dec 07 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As a former Senator, Obama certainly knew how to hit the phones to get a couple pieces of major legislation through. | Dec 07 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It really doesn't surprise me that Biden picked Kamala Harris. As far as having experience in the Senate goes and certain to be replaced by a Democrat by the state governor (California) until there's a special election that a Democrat will also win. | Dec 07 21:14 |
| MinceR | well, "not much of anything" would certainly be an improvement over twitler | Dec 07 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They really can't afford to gamble with the number of seats they do have or they will have no chance to retake the chamber in the next 4 years. | Dec 07 21:15 |
| vZS1 | Cheeto Hitler. That's a good one. Forgot who said that here. | Dec 07 21:15 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | " On Friday, Donald Trump's TV lawyer Rudy Giuliani asked the state legislatures to invalidate the elections in their states and just appoint Trump electors. The reactions were mixed." | Dec 07 21:16 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: Wil Wheaton was my collague | Dec 07 21:16 |
| schestowitz | *colleague | Dec 07 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ranging from no to hell no, and then by Sunday Giuliani was hospitalized with Coronavirus. | Dec 07 21:16 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: MinceR said it | Dec 07 21:17 |
| MinceR | i doubt i came up with it though | Dec 07 21:17 |
| schestowitz | it always amuses me, the picture of him in bed watching Fox and munching cheetos | Dec 07 21:17 |
| schestowitz | to keep his face coloured | Dec 07 21:17 |
| MinceR | i don't think much of cheetos :> | Dec 07 21:17 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what chemicals give it its taste | Dec 07 21:17 |
| vZS1 | Maybe wotzits? | Dec 07 21:18 |
| vZS1 | Or is that too British | Dec 07 21:18 |
| schestowitz | I found that taste very unique since I was young, but you don't find that in nature... and it's not cheese | Dec 07 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who knows? | Dec 07 21:18 |
| vZS1 | Wotsits* | Dec 07 21:18 |
| schestowitz | the DDD whots it | Dec 07 21:18 |
| schestowitz | DDT | Dec 07 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't like cheetos. They're pretty gross, honestly. | Dec 07 21:18 |
| schestowitz | processed foods... you don't know what's in them.. AND DON'T ASK!! | Dec 07 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't like most things in the snack aisle except salt and vinegar potato chips. | Dec 07 21:18 |
| schestowitz | 'potato' | Dec 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | check ingredients | Dec 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | they make it from some recipe goo | Dec 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | with some potato starch in it | Dec 07 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, same as everything else. | Dec 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | they shape them like potatoes | Dec 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | so that 'users' (eaters) think it's natural | Dec 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | "just eating some dried potatoes here, matey!" | Dec 07 21:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe they'll start making candy shapes like apples and pears | Dec 07 21:20 |
| schestowitz | where even the sugars are artificially made chemicals | Dec 07 21:20 |
| MinceR | there are many kinds of cheese :> | Dec 07 21:20 |
| *schestowitz looks at the toes | Dec 07 21:21 | |
| schestowitz | (better than eating from them... RMS) | Dec 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: 1,159 deaths | Dec 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | 45 in georgia | Dec 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | the state trump 'won' | Dec 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | but had it stolen from him | Dec 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | that fraud! | Dec 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | wow, Tennessee has 8,136 new cases | Dec 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | a state with just 6.8 million people | Dec 07 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I would not be first to make joke about "Red States" | Dec 07 21:23 |
| schestowitz | and why it's Red in 2020 | Dec 07 21:23 |
| MinceR | better dead than red | Dec 07 21:24 |
| schestowitz | can be more | Dec 07 21:25 |
| schestowitz | and both | Dec 07 21:25 |
| search_social | i like how ya'll can both understand big pharma is lying to you but still believe big tech isn't lying about election fraud | Dec 07 21:28 |
| MinceR | why, did big tech tell us cheeto hitler sabotaged the USPS so that mail votes could be lost or delayed? | Dec 07 21:29 |
| XRevan86 | I'm far away, so I don't know, but I feel like it's weird that the people who cry about election fraud are either the Republicans (hypocrits and untrustworthy) and the imageboard public. | Dec 07 21:30 |
| vZS1 | Why would someone get their information from big tech anyway? | Dec 07 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | s/and/or/ | Dec 07 21:30 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Dec 07 21:30 |
| search_social | it's pretty obvious big tech hates trump a lot | Dec 07 21:30 |
| search_social | you'd think you would pause and reflect as to why that is | Dec 07 21:31 |
| MinceR | well, that makes hating steaming dump wrong, obviously | Dec 07 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | I feel like it would've been a much bigger scandal than it is. | Dec 07 21:31 |
| search_social | you're not even asking the question | Dec 07 21:31 |
| MinceR | there are always two sides to everything, and exactly one of them is evil | Dec 07 21:31 |
| search_social | you go off on big tech in one sentence | Dec 07 21:31 |
| search_social | and then trust everything they say in the next | Dec 07 21:31 |
| search_social | without even thinking about why that doesn't make sense | Dec 07 21:31 |
| MinceR | this sort of "thinking" is why two-party systems are so successful | Dec 07 21:32 |
| XRevan86 | But I'm far away and not invested in making some kind of investigation and review of the claims. | Dec 07 21:32 |
| vZS1 | search_social: what are you talking about. Who said everyone here trusts "big tech"? | Dec 07 21:32 |
| MinceR | search_social: you still have yet to tell is what exactly is the message from big tech we're believing and are supposed to disbelieve | Dec 07 21:32 |
| vZS1 | That's quite the assumption | Dec 07 21:32 |
| search_social | you're repeating the "there was no election fraud" line that twitter astroturfs into every tweet | Dec 07 21:32 |
| MinceR | who is | Dec 07 21:33 |
| vZS1 | > you're repeating the "there was no election fraud" line that twitter astroturfs into every tweet | Dec 07 21:33 |
| vZS1 | Please define this "you're". | Dec 07 21:33 |
| MinceR | s/tell is/tell us/ | Dec 07 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | I also heard comparisons with the latest Ukrainian election from the people who claim that the election process is rigged, and that also made me more dismissive, because it was a legitimate election, except according to RT it wasn't. | Dec 07 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | That's just my perspective, which is pretty much just justification for not caring :). | Dec 07 21:36 |
| vZS1 | Ah yes | Dec 07 21:36 |
| vZS1 | RT | Dec 07 21:36 |
| vZS1 | The pinnacle of unbiased journalism | Dec 07 21:37 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 07 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | Yes, no bulldosering the government agenda and misinformation there whatsoever. | Dec 07 21:38 |
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| XRevan86 | Totally not a propaganda roeper. | Dec 07 21:42 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20081053 | Dec 07 21:51 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Nah, GIMP-ed. | Dec 07 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | True games won't have the anturage like that. | Dec 07 21:54 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 07 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | But the RGB table is on point. | Dec 07 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | * entourage | Dec 07 21:55 |
| XRevan86 | re-spelt the Russian word without checking and failed | Dec 07 21:55 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: I just realised something about declensions and pronouns in English: "hear ye" cannot be reliably changed to the "ye"-less English. | Dec 07 22:00 |
| MinceR | doesn't it just change to "hear"? | Dec 07 22:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: While keeping the structure, that is. | Dec 07 22:01 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: And maybe that means "hear I", it's ambiguous this way | Dec 07 22:03 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 07 22:04 |
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| XRevan86 | When the pronoun is omitted, I can only figure out if it's about oneself or addresses the others from context. | Dec 07 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | Either I can't figure out what's the implicit default in English is, or there isn't one. | Dec 07 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | * what the | Dec 07 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | "[I] called it", "[you] do it" | Dec 07 22:06 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20081044 | Dec 07 22:18 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Some King wrote it | Dec 07 22:21 |
| schestowitz | in God's name | Dec 07 22:21 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 07 22:21 |
| schestowitz | God lacks limbs | Dec 07 22:21 |
| schestowitz | except he's a major dick | Dec 07 22:21 |
| schestowitz | he's one giant floating dick | Dec 07 22:21 |
| schestowitz | pissed off at everyone | Dec 07 22:21 |
| MinceR | Azathoth? | Dec 07 22:21 |
| MinceR | or rather, Goomi's version thereof, Zatoth | Dec 07 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | In God had a corporeal form, I'd be something perfect, like a spherical horse. | Dec 07 22:26 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 07 22:27 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/07/china/south-china-sea-bases-military-intl-hnk/index.html | Dec 07 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | South China Sea: Beijing's military bases in disputed waters would be very difficult to defend, report claims - CNN | Dec 07 22:32 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Another one of those "We could win a war with China. Yeehaw!" articles. | Dec 07 22:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | More like war with China would be unthinkable and the only reason they wouldn't invade us is nuclear weapons. | Dec 07 22:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I saw a new Linux 5.6 OEM kernel go by that didn't look very reassuring. | Dec 07 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A dozen or so involving Tiger Lake, but the most embarrassing one seems to be this. | Dec 07 22:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://git.launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux-oem/+git/focal/commit/?h=oem-5.6&id=9e01106c31dad198ff3989b61a8f18c38d301b31 | Dec 07 22:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.launchpad.net | ~canonical-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux-oem/+git/focal - [no description] | Dec 07 22:37 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/sSNOZOKWRWgrcOzYPldPkjCJ/message.txt > | Dec 07 22:38 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | So let me get this straight. They couldn't even map the names to the bits properly and we're to assume any of the rest of it works okay? | Dec 07 22:38 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20080934 | Dec 07 22:48 |
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| Ariadne | [10:07] <4caf50vZS1> I'm guessing viera scrapes it | Dec 07 22:53 |
| Ariadne | not exactly | Dec 07 22:53 |
| Ariadne | viera speaks irc and also activitypub, it receives activitypub messages and relays them to irc | Dec 07 22:54 |
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| MinceR | (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/QaYgL3U.mp4 | Dec 07 23:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, people are back to buying Windows and stuffing it in an emulator on their Macs. | Dec 07 23:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why would you do that? | Dec 07 23:27 |
| MinceR | because they're dangerously stupid | Dec 07 23:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MARISOL changed her picture on the Facebook. | Dec 07 23:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To herself in an N95 respirator. | Dec 07 23:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How touching. | Dec 07 23:30 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: there is a mistake in that write up. "Island shelters lack vegetation, natural rock and soil and other coverings, and the altitude is low, while the groundwater level is high. Personnel and resources cannot be stored underground for a long time," Japan base on fraser island world war II had under water storage of fuel and ammo. | Dec 07 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's nice that hospital ICU nurses can't get them but CTCA found one for a politician. | Dec 07 23:30 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: personal high ground water is problem. Supplies and resources not so much. | Dec 07 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The strategic value of these bases isn't very much though, I think. | Dec 07 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody else recognizes their territorial claims. | Dec 07 23:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This rather seems like China spending a lot of money throwing sand into the water to me. | Dec 07 23:32 |
| oiaohm | The main need of those bases was cost effective prevention of ship high jacking. | Dec 07 23:32 |
| MinceR | just stick the personnel in diving bells or submarines | Dec 07 23:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pirates? | Dec 07 23:33 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://time.com/piracy-southeast-asia-malacca-strait/ The money spent on the Islands is nothing compared to the number of ships that use to be high jacked every year in the south china sea. | Dec 07 23:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-time.com | Pirates in Southeast Asia: The World's Most Dangerous Waters | Dec 07 23:34 | |
| oiaohm | The china based islands have done their job. | Dec 07 23:34 |
| oiaohm | If you think if each island as a non moving aircraft carrier. Cost of moving aircraft carrier around is a lot. | Dec 07 23:35 |
| search_social | cool | Dec 07 23:36 |
| oiaohm | So those bases are cost effective. | Dec 07 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Now if those bases should be china controlled that another arguement. | Dec 07 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Like UN controlled to protect general shiping there should not be any arguements over them. | Dec 07 23:37 |
| search_social | UN haha | Dec 07 23:38 |
| oiaohm | Really when you are building bases to block pirates you don't have to design them air strike proof because pirates don't have the resources to-do airstrikes. | Dec 07 23:39 |
| oiaohm | The weaknesses in the china island bases is directly linked to what they were built to counter. | Dec 07 23:39 |
| oiaohm | They were not designed to counter going head to head with USA or any other countries with bombers. The fraser island base by japan in world war II was designed. Yes fraser island is softer than the man made islands china just made. | Dec 07 23:41 |
| oiaohm | search_social: there are a few UN bases around the world that are shared between many countries who only job is to control/reduce piracy of ships. | Dec 07 23:42 |
| oiaohm | Its one of the funny parts of the UN. | Dec 07 23:43 |
| oiaohm | Something that somewhat works. | Dec 07 23:43 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20080914 | Dec 07 23:43 |
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| MinceR | higher resolution version of earlier >> https://ircz.de/p/20080816 | Dec 07 23:45 |
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| XRevan86 | https://xkcd.com/2395/ | Dec 07 23:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Covid Precaution Level | Dec 07 23:49 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Exposes the "magic wand" more. | Dec 07 23:50 |
| MinceR | that's what she said. | Dec 07 23:50 |
| MinceR | the armrest clipping through the table is hilarious though | Dec 07 23:50 |
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