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DaemonFC[m]Yes, the current stuff is a barely improved Skylake.Feb 08 01:18
DaemonFC[m]Complete with MeltdownFeb 08 01:18
DaemonFC[m]Meltdown exists on most Intel processors, and in fact it's twice at bad on ones that don't support PCID.Feb 08 01:36
DaemonFC[m]https://boingboing.net/2018/11/29/but-not-chrome.htmlFeb 08 01:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | Mozilla pulls a popular paywall circumvention tool from Firefox add-ons store / Boing BoingFeb 08 01:41
DaemonFC[m]This isn't really safe for him to host on github either.Feb 08 01:41
DaemonFC[m]They recently took down a open source Instagram app for "bypassing a copyright protection system".Feb 08 01:41
MinceRsurprise, surpriseFeb 08 01:41
DaemonFC[m]Facebook alleged that it was illegal because it let you save pictures that it displayed.Feb 08 01:41
DaemonFC[m]And their app doesn't.Feb 08 01:41
MinceR"take back the web", my assFeb 08 01:41
DaemonFC[m]And Instagram on Android and iOS reports you for taking a screenshot, to the person who posted the picture.Feb 08 01:42
DaemonFC[m]Most of the really nasty shit that apps can get permission for are not configurable on either platform.Feb 08 01:43
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DaemonFC[m]I recommend uninstalling all Facebook apps, obviously. Android has some open source ones that work and don't let them spy. iPhone doesn't.Feb 08 01:45
DaemonFC[m]Apps shouldn't even be able to tell that you took a screenshot, much less be able to report you to anyone.Feb 08 01:46
DaemonFC[m]If someone posts nudes, they deserve to have them copied.Feb 08 01:46
DaemonFC[m]Don't put shit on the internet that you don't want on the internet.Feb 08 01:46
DaemonFC[m]If you don't want pictures of your asshole on the internet, don't post them to Reddit and then ask if there's some way to delete the internet because you found them on another site.Feb 08 01:47
XRevan86> if there's some way to delete the internetFeb 08 01:48
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: A terrorist attack on ICANN?Feb 08 01:49
*XRevan86 imagines an "Instagram model" trying to blow up ICANN to delete the Internet.Feb 08 01:49
DaemonFC[m]I was reading a pirate site where someone makes small donations to Patreon and then imports everything once it's unlocked.Feb 08 01:53
DaemonFC[m]It's mostly art, but some woman was ranting that she took "modeling" photos of her 16 year old daughter and posted them to Patreon, and that some pervert paid $2 and copied all of them and that she was "going to go to the police". None of the photos were nude. If you went to a public beach and saw a 16 year old in a bikini, this is basically what the worst of the page was.Feb 08 01:54
DaemonFC[m]Someone told her to knock it off because the police were more likely to ask her what she thought would happen if she THOTted her daughter on the internet.Feb 08 01:55
MinceRhttps://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/im-a-model-on-instagram-what-about-you-im-a-soldier-on-call-of-duty.jpgFeb 08 01:57
DaemonFC[m]This hit a couple of my interests. 1. Someone on the internet was probably jerking off to pictures of her daughter spraying herself with the garden hose in a bikini. but 2. None of it was illegal under any law that I'm aware of and the most the mother might be able to do was send a DMCA complaint to the ISP that runs the Yiff Party website.Feb 08 01:57
XRevan86MinceR: %)Feb 08 01:58
DaemonFC[m]3. It would be too late, because by that time, even if they complied, it would now be in the hands of 10,000 people who downloaded it to fap to and they'd put it on BitTorrent as a giant Fuck You for serving them with the DMCA.Feb 08 01:58
DaemonFC[m]4. If a prosecutor decided that the pictures were smut, they might actually do something to the mother as a child porn producer.Feb 08 01:59
DaemonFC[m]5. If they went after her or anyone they found with the photos for CP, any halfway decent defense attorney would argue that the images had significant artistic value and while it was possible to be aroused by nearly anything, you can't throw someone in jail for possessing such images if they are not obscene. Feb 08 02:01
DaemonFC[m]6. For the definition of obscene, we must defer to the Miller Test.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_testFeb 08 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Miller test - WikipediaFeb 08 02:02
DaemonFC[m]Therefore, while someone might theoretically fap to this, it is not primarily meant to be obscene and does not violate the Miller Test.Feb 08 02:03
DaemonFC[m]It's been difficult for states to ban porn outright because of the Miller Test.Feb 08 02:04
MinceRthey should have defined excretory functions more strictlyFeb 08 02:05
MinceRas i doubt they meant sweatingFeb 08 02:05
DaemonFC[m]Although they can pass a law that makes it a form of disorderly conduct or public lewdness if it is displayed in public.Feb 08 02:05
MinceRor, better yet, the species could finally stop pretending that laws as such work at all :>Feb 08 02:08
DaemonFC[m]They're not intended to work.Feb 08 02:13
DaemonFC[m]They're intended to be selectively enforced to terrorize the public and provide jobs to police officers.Feb 08 02:13
MinceRexactlyFeb 08 02:14
MinceRalso to juristsFeb 08 02:14
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Actually, the system harms the economy.Feb 08 02:15
MinceRjurists don't mind :>Feb 08 02:15
DaemonFC[m]It pulls 12 people out of their jobs for a couple of days so they can get lunch money every day to hear all about how some guy shouted at some other guy in public.Feb 08 02:16
DaemonFC[m]So the state costs itself economic activity and tax revenue because most employers don't pay you while you're on jury duty, even though the law prohibits them from punishing you for it, since it's mandatory.Feb 08 02:17
MinceRfunny how the law doesn't apply to them, isn't it?Feb 08 02:17
DaemonFC[m]If 12 people who earn $20 an hour miss work for 8 hours each, then nearly $2,000 in wages were lost, but then the state not only can't tax that, it will cause a ripple effect, because the money that was not taxed will not be spent on something and provide employment that could be taxed and paychecks that could be spent.Feb 08 02:18
DaemonFC[m]So when you account for the velocity of money, the state probably spends about $2,000 holding a misdemeanor trial for Disorderly Conduct and costs the state economy $25,000 plus about $4,000 in lost tax revenue.Feb 08 02:19
DaemonFC[m]So, it actually costs $6,000 or something like that to have a misdemeanor disorderly conduct trial.Feb 08 02:20
DaemonFC[m]But then it gets worse because you have to do something to the defendant. Well, in my case, they fined me and got $962 back.Feb 08 02:20
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*DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot from 2020-02-07 20-24-58.png (330KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/XxVUtBLmxIdxpRgMDAaoGJhX >Feb 08 02:25
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: ^Feb 08 02:25
MinceRlolFeb 08 02:26
MinceRwell, it does have a pretty nasty human infestationFeb 08 02:27
MinceRand we're going to cure it!Feb 08 02:27
DaemonFC[m]A reference to Starship Troopers.Feb 08 02:29
MinceRi knowFeb 08 02:29
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DaemonFC[m]I figured you would.Feb 08 02:30
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: so you don't have the law that your boss can sign a letter saying you are critical to operations so screw jury duty.Feb 08 03:56
DaemonFC[m]No. Anyone can get called into jury duty.Feb 08 03:58
DaemonFC[m]But during voir dire, you can get out of it pretty easily.Feb 08 03:58
DaemonFC[m]Just wait until they ask if you have a bias against someone and pretend you're a really terrible bigot and then either the prosecutor or defense will dismiss you.Feb 08 03:59
DaemonFC[m]Or say you have a mental health disorder.Feb 08 03:59
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: https://www.courts.qld.gov.au/jury-service/being-excused-from-jury-service  there has the rough Australian execuse list.  "Your work or study commitments make it absolutely impossible."Feb 08 04:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.courts.qld.gov.au | Being excused from jury service | Queensland CourtsFeb 08 04:00
DaemonFC[m]I discovered something interesting about bing.Feb 08 04:00
DaemonFC[m]Ad blockers don't work on bing if you use Chrome or FirefoxFeb 08 04:01
DaemonFC[m]But they do if you use Vivaldi.Feb 08 04:01
oiaohmCould be a test of popularity Feb 08 04:04
DaemonFC[m]?Feb 08 04:24
DaemonFC[m]There's another problem with jury trials.Feb 08 04:25
DaemonFC[m]You're being judged by 12 idiots who were too stupid to get out of jury duty.Feb 08 04:25
MinceRother than jury members not giving a shit about the law or what is just and fair?Feb 08 04:25
DaemonFC[m]That too.Feb 08 04:26
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Me not giving a fuck about the law would actually work to the defendant's advantage.Feb 08 04:26
DaemonFC[m]If I don't agree with the law, I'm not going to sit there and convict someone under that law.Feb 08 04:26
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schestowitz__almost done migrating now, oiaohmFeb 08 08:28
schestowitz__                       Apropos yesterday:Feb 08 08:28
schestowitz__"On the other hand learning how to save all your files, and then do a fresh install, is like gainingFeb 08 08:28
schestowitz__a superpower."Feb 08 08:28
schestowitz__-- Theo de Raadt, founder OpenBSD.  2019-11-18.Feb 08 08:28
schestowitz__OpenBSD Tech mailing list.Feb 08 08:28
schestowitz__https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=157410209505753&w=2Feb 08 08:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marc.info | 'Re: Best Practices for growing disk partitions on a server' - MARCFeb 08 08:29
schestowitz__I just need to grab less critical files over and set a few things up here and thereFeb 08 08:29
schestowitz__but the critical stuff is now doneFeb 08 08:29
schestowitz__in 3 daysFeb 08 08:29
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/TargetedSince07/status/1226009377406115840Feb 08 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TargetedSince07: Today's troll that reacted to the Hudson tw: #ClearLED follows multiple NSA/CIA profiteers =Huawei's competitors "M… https://t.co/jQgB1ydHNrFeb 08 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TargetedSince07: Today's troll that reacted to the Hudson tw: #ClearLED follows multiple NSA/CIA profiteers =Huawei's competitors "M… https://t.co/jQgB1ydHNrFeb 08 08:47
schestowitz__"Feb 08 08:47
schestowitz__Today's troll that reacted to the Hudson tw: #ClearLED follows multiple NSA/CIA profiteers =Huawei's competitorsFeb 08 08:47
schestowitz__"Microsoft is actively colluding with the NSA. MS offers back doors at the operating systems level, not just the Internet/communications level"Feb 08 08:47
schestowitz__http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_anFeb 08 08:47
schestowitz__"Feb 08 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft an - TechrightsFeb 08 08:47
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XRevan86https://pbfcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/PBF-The_Flight.pngFeb 08 13:50
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DaemonFC[m]Fresh installs aren't too hard with LVM.Feb 08 14:58
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/652188.jpgFeb 08 15:58
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DaemonFC[m]I'm not surprised that Apple is kicking out kexts, because one of the only possible reasons to buy a Mac is because it's the only platform you can develop iPhone apps on.Feb 08 16:09
DaemonFC[m]If I'm smart enough to hack up a cheap PC to run their OS, a developer definitely is, and then they get to screw Apple out of selling them a $3,000 computer.Feb 08 16:09
DaemonFC[m]Since Apple's sales are in the toilet anyway right now and their fake stock price just doesn't show that because of buybacks and baby boomers who don't get that they're invested in magic beans, Apple is doing anything it can to get more money.Feb 08 16:09
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DaemonFC[m]Jim "There's nothing wrong with the housing market. Keep investing in it. Only an idiot would short this" Cramer has the same advice on Apple stock.Feb 08 16:13
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/ODJYGFC.mp4Feb 08 16:13
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acer-boxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjjPlEW9bRMFeb 08 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-George Carlin - Balance the Budget - YouTubeFeb 08 16:21
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/649880.jpgFeb 08 16:52
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/652105.jpgFeb 08 17:14
danielp3344MinceR: lolFeb 08 17:15
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DaemonFC[m]I bought some of those morningstar farms "sausage" flatbread sandwiches.Feb 08 17:25
DaemonFC[m]They're surprisingly not bad.Feb 08 17:25
DaemonFC[m]They cook more evenly in the microwave than real sausage. Feb 08 17:25
DaemonFC[m]The real sausage ones have spots that are boiling lava hot and spots that are still frozen.Feb 08 17:25
DaemonFC[m]The morningstar sandwiches only have 200 calories, but they have a surprisingly high amount of cholesterol for not having any meat.Feb 08 17:29
DaemonFC[m]I suspect this is from the egg and cheese.Feb 08 17:29
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/652059.jpgFeb 08 18:27
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: there is way to prevent sausage in microwave turning out stupid in a Microwave cook it in water.  One of the basic kids cooking books that was sold in Australia covered that one.Feb 08 18:34
DaemonFC[m]Debian apparently got bumped from a 4.19.67 kernel to a 4.19.98 one in Debian 10.3Feb 08 18:47
DaemonFC[m]Do they roll that all up at once or what? Feb 08 18:48
DaemonFC[m]Like skip 30-some point releases then bring them in at once.Feb 08 18:48
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DaemonFC[m]And did the power management problem on Skylake make it into a 4.19 kernel?Feb 08 18:50
DaemonFC[m]Fedora fixed it in the Linux 5.5.2 package.Feb 08 18:50
DaemonFC[m]I removed the version lock and updated from 5.3.10 finally.Feb 08 18:51
XRevan86A random thought: do companies like AMD, Intel have an internal policy for processor use on their PCs?Feb 08 18:54
DaemonFC[m]Dogfooding? Probably.Feb 08 18:56
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft always had that policy.Feb 08 18:56
DaemonFC[m]Another way to put it is Not Invented Here.Feb 08 18:57
DaemonFC[m]You'll stick to your own stuff even if it is measurably worse and have no plans to fix itFeb 08 18:57
oiaohmXRevan86: the answer is yes but what chips.Feb 08 19:05
XRevan86oiaohm: Indeed. I doubt they always push the latest processors into absolutely every PC they have in use in call-centres and the like.Feb 08 19:06
oiaohmXRevan86: You have to test your first batch of 10000 somewhere.Feb 08 19:07
oiaohmThe reality is the power management issues DaemonFC[m] is suffering from would be nothing compared to what the protochips would kick up.Feb 08 19:07
oiaohmThis is the problem if intel staff are basically running on protochips all the time they could simple come out of alignment with reality and class a major problem to end user chips are a minor annoyance.  Feb 08 19:10
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19121737Feb 08 19:26
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XRevan86MinceR: I.e. squeeze inFeb 08 19:26
MinceR:>Feb 08 19:27
MinceRteleport inFeb 08 19:27
XRevan86I see a gap between the doorsFeb 08 19:27
MinceRor maybe it just doesn't matter, but it's a really stupid way to express thatFeb 08 19:27
oiaohmThat type of door normally will swing both ways.  But still that a goof.Feb 08 19:38
oiaohmFun part is some of those doors are alarmed if they swing the wrong way.Feb 08 19:38
oiaohmBank security for you.Feb 08 19:39
DaemonFC[m]Does anyone know if Debian ever backed out the GPU power management "patch" that Intel ultimately decided was too horrible to commit to?Feb 08 19:42
DaemonFC[m]Intel can't even decide what to do about its damned bugs. Feb 08 19:42
DaemonFC[m]They decided that a small security issue was better than ruining power management in this case.Feb 08 19:42
DaemonFC[m]What really scares me about Debian is they have a history of crackpot shit like libav.Feb 08 19:55
DaemonFC[m]In that case, they forked ffmpeg, broke it in various ways, let it bitrot, and security vulnerabilities piled up until every distro that had gone that route went back to ffmpeg.Feb 08 19:56
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XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Debian also came back to ffmpeg.Feb 08 20:00
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ymWqTmMksbKknuzMNKcMISJk >Feb 08 20:00
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XRevan8623 MP3 files!?Feb 08 20:00
XRevan86Up against the wall!Feb 08 20:01
psydroidEach time I try to use something else, it turns out it's even more broken than DebianFeb 08 20:04
DaemonFC[m]MP3! Nyet! The evil stops here!Feb 08 20:09
superkuhWhen you download mp3s you're downloading communism.Feb 08 20:19
XRevan86Niet! Opus is nigh!Feb 08 20:20
DaemonFC[m]What's interesting is that the psy model of FDK-AAC doesn't bother with high frequencies.Feb 08 20:23
DaemonFC[m]So they fixed the sfb21 issue in MP3 and then didn't actually use that area for anything in their AAC codec anyway.Feb 08 20:23
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/649904.pngFeb 08 20:27
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DaemonFC[m]Rush Limbaugh doesn't have cancer. He is cancer. Feb 08 21:04
DaemonFC[m]It's really hard to feel bad for anything that he has to go through after the mess he caused and how many years of hateful vitriolic crap he piped into people's houses and cars via the radio.Feb 08 21:04
DaemonFC[m]He had my dad shouting "fags and queers" at the radio in the 90s, and I doubt he's gotten any better. So good riddance.Feb 08 21:04
DaemonFC[m]The most vivid memories I have of my dad are cursing and hating on entire groups of people he didn't even care to know. Feb 08 21:07
DaemonFC[m]Most of that was just dad being a terrible human being. But he was stirred up by this morbidly obese cigar smoking drug addict.Feb 08 21:07
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DaemonFC[m]Nothing shocks me about Trump because you've seen one hateful stupid bigot you've seen them all. Feb 08 21:22
DaemonFC[m]Besides, what would be more shocking than a president who surrounds himself with child rapists?Feb 08 21:22
DaemonFC[m]Seriously, two of Trump's associates are now in federal prison or heading there for child porn and child sex trafficking. One of them had two previous records for it going back to at least 1991!Feb 08 21:22
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19121734Feb 08 21:35
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DaemonFC[m]NiceFeb 08 22:16
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/1912173Feb 08 22:50
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XRevan86MinceR: hahFeb 08 23:19
DaemonFC[m]I got an email saying watch out for Social Security scams.Feb 08 23:27
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Don't steal. The government hates competition.".Feb 08 23:27
MinceR:>Feb 08 23:27
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