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| schestowitz | chasecrum: | May 08 04:43 |
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| schestowitz | hi | May 08 04:44 |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: I think a prior part named them | May 08 04:44 |
| schestowitz | I can find that for you | May 08 04:44 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: must be USia | May 08 04:45 |
| schestowitz | also, it barely folds at al | May 08 04:45 |
| schestowitz | *all | May 08 04:45 |
| schestowitz | would be interesting to see how much those can be compacted | May 08 04:46 |
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| schestowitz | Re: EMBARGO - Virtual Preview of New Linux-Powered Dell Workstations For Developers | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy - As a special offer to /TechRights,/ I can give a sneak preview | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > of*Dell’s* new lineup of Linux-based Precision workstations for | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > developers. Dell Technologies already ships 150+ different Ubuntu-based | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > PC models to over 100+ countries. Linux models will be available on | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > Precision 5550/5750/7550/7750 being announced at this launch. | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > If you agree to an embargo of *May 19 @ 9 a.m. CT,*I can send you a | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > virtual press kit outlining all the products that will be released. | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > Admittingly, it will be light on the Linux news so if you want to focus | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > just on that I recommend a 1:1 interview with Chris Ramirez, Strategic | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > Alliances Manager and Engineering Industry Strategist at Dell who can | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > elaborate on the developer features. | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > Let me know your preference and I’ll get you connected. | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | (note: I did NOT agree to such an embargo) | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | (and would not participate in their PR) | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | But... | May 08 05:55 |
| schestowitz | I also won't shame them in public for ir | May 08 05:56 |
| schestowitz | because, to be fair, it's good that they expand gnu/linux support in a range of new machines | May 08 05:56 |
| schestowitz | From " | May 08 05:56 |
| schestowitz | Anthony Suarez | May 08 05:56 |
| schestowitz | Managing Supervisor | May 08 05:57 |
| schestowitz | " | May 08 05:57 |
| schestowitz | They hired external PR people | May 08 05:57 |
| schestowitz | "AxiCom US " | May 08 05:57 |
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| schestowitz | > Once I tell the guy that I don’t think 150k is bad as long as they can | May 08 06:09 |
| schestowitz | > show growth... | May 08 06:09 |
| schestowitz | > | May 08 06:09 |
| schestowitz | > https://twitter.com/richturn_ms/status/1258141836880707586?s=21 | May 08 06:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@richturn_ms: @stautistic @schestowitz @zoobab Let me check. | May 08 06:09 | |
| schestowitz | And he never got back to you, did he? | May 08 06:09 |
| schestowitz | I have spun the word "absurd" | May 08 06:09 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/05/07/microsoft-wsl-evasion/ | May 08 06:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s WSL Program Manager Admits WSL Adoption Level Has Been Absurdly Low | Techrights | May 08 06:09 | |
| schestowitz | If he does not reply on or by Monday, ping him again. If no reply, that means higher ups (exec level) grant no permission to talk about "the fail". And then we can revisit the matter. The more people talk about this, the better. WSL is an ATTACK on Linux. | May 08 06:10 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/18058624 | May 08 07:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ● NEWS ● #thehill #Surveillance ☞ Why Americans have to talk about digital #privacy at the kitchen table https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/496630-why-americans-have-to-talk-about-digital-privacy-at-the-kitchen-table even kitchen tables now have microphones on them | May 08 07:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Why Americans have to talk about digital privacy at the kitchen table | TheHill | May 08 07:56 | |
| schestowitz | bloody hell | May 08 07:56 |
| schestowitz | things get worse with this COVID 'thing' | May 08 07:56 |
| schestowitz | privacy-wise | May 08 07:56 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/7/21251111/uber-q1-earnings-rides-loss-eats-delivery-coronavirus | May 08 08:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Uber reports $2.9 billion quarterly loss during pandemic - The Verge | May 08 08:49 | |
| zoobab | of course it will get worse | May 08 08:58 |
| zoobab | my mobile phone is OFF since they announced the sharing of GSM traces | May 08 08:58 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: not good enough | May 08 09:00 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: you need to remove the battery | May 08 09:00 |
| schestowitz | physically | May 08 09:00 |
| schestowitz | and then let the capacitors, if any, be drainedd | May 08 09:01 |
| schestowitz | they're designed to endure powerdowns and power loss | May 08 09:01 |
| schestowitz | also, the newer ones have batteries soldered in | May 08 09:01 |
| zoobab | damn | May 08 09:02 |
| zoobab | when I say privacy need free software and open hardware | May 08 09:03 |
| zoobab | in any case surveillance can happen further down the network | May 08 09:03 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: the gun itself is russian | May 08 11:31 |
| MinceR | AKS-74U | May 08 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Alex K | May 08 11:55 |
| schestowitz | in a fancy case | May 08 11:56 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, he reached his nineties | May 08 11:56 |
| MinceR | Автомат Калашникова :> | May 08 11:59 |
| MinceR | the designer is Михаи́л, not Alex :> | May 08 12:00 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/26/793d78a3744bfa1f.jpg | May 08 12:21 |
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| scientes | psydread, I'm so fucking tired of these devil-worshipping global liberal elites. Like the Maarten Prak had good research, but $100 for a fucking book, especially a non-technical one (those delusional arrogant ass-holes might think other-wise) is rediculous | May 08 12:22 |
| scientes | I did find this https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-to-be-dutch-the-modern-way-with-maarten-prak/id768696277?i=1000340670378 | May 08 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-podcasts.apple.com | Legatum Institute Foundation: How to Be Dutch, the Modern Way with Maarten Prak on Apple Podcasts | May 08 12:23 | |
| scientes | but the point is that this is one of those "think tanks" | May 08 12:23 |
| scientes | full of state-worshiping ass-holes | May 08 12:23 |
| scientes | and they manage to fool these actual academics and prevent them from reaching the public | May 08 12:23 |
| scientes | like they do with non-free software | May 08 12:24 |
| scientes | that was what I noticed on gcc vs llvm conventions | May 08 12:24 |
| scientes | at the llvm convention half of the people go "I work on LLVM everyday, but I can't say anything" | May 08 12:24 |
| scientes | Then maybe you should start your own secret society, and not come to a public forum as a wall flower? Just maybe? | May 08 12:25 |
| MinceR | :> | May 08 12:25 |
| scientes | Eating the food and taking up space. | May 08 12:25 |
| scientes | like this guy has amazing scholarship | May 08 12:26 |
| scientes | and he has no need for the money | May 08 12:26 |
| scientes | in fact that is the only way they managed to lock up his scholarship | May 08 12:26 |
| scientes | It is really hard to tell people that the internet doesn't have much | May 08 12:27 |
| scientes | Archive.org has made things a little better | May 08 12:27 |
| MinceR | well, the community got an expensive lesson in profit motive vs free software | May 08 12:27 |
| scientes | as they let you "borrow" copyrighted books | May 08 12:27 |
| scientes | because copyright should be call indefinite-prison-right | May 08 12:28 |
| scientes | or you-will-never-know-right | May 08 12:28 |
| oiaohm | scientes: really copyright time frame over the years has grown. | May 08 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Its kind of insane that its 70+ years after the authors death. | May 08 12:35 |
| scientes | don't make no sense | May 08 12:37 |
| scientes | the Disney tax | May 08 12:37 |
| scientes | tax on society and culture | May 08 12:37 |
| scientes | and also universally ignored | May 08 12:37 |
| scientes | and universally annoying for anyone that tries to make an online vieo | May 08 12:38 |
| scientes | people are always like "oh shit, silence that cell phone ringtone or my video will get copyright flagged" | May 08 12:38 |
| oiaohm | https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Copyright_term_-_rotated_-_nl.png#/media/File:Tom_Bell's_graph_showing_extension_of_U.S._copyright_term_over_time.svg | May 08 12:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-commons.wikimedia.org | File:Copyright term - rotated - nl.png - Wikimedia Commons | May 08 12:40 | |
| oiaohm | The effective term is roughtly 110 years. | May 08 12:40 |
| scientes | oiaohm, the effective term is forever | May 08 12:40 |
| scientes | I will not live 110 years | May 08 12:40 |
| oiaohm | Note the effective term use to be less than 30 years. | May 08 12:40 |
| scientes | and I don't give a shit about dead men | May 08 12:40 |
| scientes | > | May 08 12:42 |
| scientes | As a curiosity, the work Peter Pan, or The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up is subject in the UK to a special clause in the Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988[26] that granted Great Ormond Street Hospital a right to royalty in perpetuity. | May 08 12:42 |
| oiaohm | Maybe people should have more interest in history books. | May 08 12:42 |
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| scientes | https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/301 | May 08 12:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.legislation.gov.uk | Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 | May 08 12:44 | |
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| scientes | geeze, doesn't UK ban a ban on bills of attainder? | May 08 12:44 |
| oiaohm | scientes: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/16/16-h/16-h.htm very interest question on peter pan. | May 08 12:44 |
| scientes | this hand-greasing is really gross | May 08 12:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gutenberg.org | Peter Pan, by J. M. Barrie | May 08 12:44 | |
| oiaohm | Right to percentage royalty on a product that has a zero dollar cost equals zero dollars right. | May 08 12:46 |
| oiaohm | scientes: that a ugly law. | May 08 12:49 |
| scientes | its a bill of attainder | May 08 12:52 |
| MinceR | all law is ugly | May 08 13:06 |
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| MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/26/e093e1b4a94ce26d.mp4 | May 08 14:56 |
| chasecrum | Viera, I just saw your reply, were you able to find the list of Linux distros that did not rely on github? I believe the article on TR said it was trimmed down to about 12 if I remember correctly | May 08 15:06 |
| MinceR | viera is a bot that mostly just relays posts from pleroma | May 08 15:06 |
| chasecrum | ah | May 08 15:07 |
| chasecrum | fell for that one | May 08 15:07 |
| *psydread pets viera | May 08 15:07 | |
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| schestowitz | chasecrum: viera reposts the tuxmachines news picks | May 08 15:26 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: would you use it? | May 08 15:27 |
| schestowitz | wsl-user: you want help installing gnu/linux? | May 08 15:29 |
| schestowitz | it's easier than Windows | May 08 15:29 |
| schestowitz | and doesn't require Microsoft 'store' ;-) | May 08 15:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nice lava you got there | May 08 15:29 |
| wsl-user | Oh wsl doesn't require anything from the store. | May 08 15:30 |
| schestowitz | It would be a shame if something happened to it..., MinceR | May 08 15:30 |
| XRevan86 | wsl-user: Where would you get distributions for it then? | May 08 15:30 |
| wsl-user | You can import the rootfs from a tarball | May 08 15:31 |
| schestowitz | you can download the blobs | May 08 15:34 |
| schestowitz | and then get what the DRM, aka 'store', gives | May 08 15:34 |
| schestowitz | like if you're in a firewalled network | May 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | but that still defeats the purpose | May 08 15:35 |
| wsl-user | No DRM involved | May 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | also, you need CLI skills | May 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | so it's primitive | May 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | with distros there's a nice graphical installer, just pop in the CD and boot | May 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | wsl-user: Microsoft remotely controls what's installed in WIndows | May 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | so anything on WIndows is DRMed | May 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | they also reserve the right to remotely delete your files -- something amazon became infamous for | May 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Today I read in TF that github may soon delete some kodi stuff | May 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | because amazon and mpa (mafiaa) tell them to | May 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft si a big censorship engine with DRM at every level to enforce it | May 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | wsl-user: I can help you install real gnu/linux | May 08 15:36 |
| wsl-user | Did somebody hurt your feelings? | May 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | emancipate yourself from the keylogger with a bootable kernel | May 08 15:37 |
| XRevan86 | Oh noes, Archpriest Dimitry Smirnov got COVID-19 | May 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | wsl-user: you instulted me\ | May 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | wsl-user: (off channel | May 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | and now you act all coy | May 08 15:37 |
| insmodppa | wsl-user: Did somebody pay you? | May 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | ouch | May 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | maybe it's hayden again | May 08 15:37 |
| wsl-user | Yeah I asked you if it could be that you have no clue | May 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | but the IP seems Swiss | May 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Hayden is in Georgia or London | May 08 15:38 |
| wsl-user | And apparently you are clueless | May 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Hayden was here before with a pseudonym | May 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pays Canonical to employ WSL shills | May 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | wsl-user: my point is, you can her to cause touble | May 08 15:38 |
| wsl-user | Oh yeah, I need to go cash that check now | May 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | and your off channel remark gave that away | May 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | even before you opened up your mouth on the record (irc log) | May 08 15:39 |
| wsl-user | You have away being blinded by your hatred | May 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | wsl-user: maybe what you do for a living | May 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | could be some microsoft partners, m*something (acronyms for different types of partnerships) | May 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | so Microsoft's or Windows' death hurts you | May 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | may force you to retrain | May 08 15:39 |
| schestowitz | I feel your pain, some people used to work from an office | May 08 15:39 |
| wsl-user | Have a nice day, my dear so called tech 'journalist' (note the scarequotes) | May 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | whereas remote workers are unaffected now | May 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | I don't use that word | May 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | people who use that work are typically salaried by media barons with agenda | May 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | I write factual things | May 08 15:40 |
| schestowitz | correct me if I wrote something not correct | May 08 15:40 |
| wsl-user | Keep telling that yourself | May 08 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's Project Manager for WSL took days to reply... and could not refute | May 08 15:41 |
| schestowitz | good riddance | May 08 15:41 |
| schestowitz | [15:24] <schestowitz> [15:13] <wsl-user> Could it be that you have absolutely no clue what you are writing about? | May 08 15:41 |
| schestowitz | how courteous | May 08 15:41 |
| schestowitz | true gentleman | May 08 15:41 |
| *schestowitz remembers last time a WSL employee was in this channel, promoting Edge and crap... while not disclosing the employer | May 08 15:42 | |
| schestowitz | came here to fling insults at us | May 08 15:43 |
| schestowitz | not a single word of sentence to highlight what we wrote which was wrong... not even one... nothing to offer | May 08 15:43 |
| schestowitz | give those charlatan enough time and MinceR will throw a bad word at them... then they'll run around shedding crocodile tears saying we're "Rude"... after they came to provoke | May 08 15:45 |
| schestowitz | (typical cult modus operandi) | May 08 15:45 |
| MinceR | tyrants and wannabe tyrants deserve more rudeness than we could ever muster | May 08 15:47 |
| schestowitz | no chocie | May 08 15:48 |
| schestowitz | *choice | May 08 15:48 |
| schestowitz | they'd be timewasters | May 08 15:48 |
| schestowitz | and flood the channels with Microsoft talking points | May 08 15:49 |
| schestowitz | So the sooner they lose interest in participation in this channel, as tough and rough as it may seem, the better | May 08 15:49 |
| scientes | https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b55011003p/f2.item | May 08 15:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gallica.bnf.fr | [Mappemonde / par Sébastien Cabot en guise de titre, une inscription bilingue dont le texte latin est le suivant], Présentant dans son quart sud-ouest in hac protens in planum figura continetur totus terre glodus, insule Portus, flumina Sinus Syrtus Et Brevia Que Hatenus A Neotericis Adaperta Sunt... | Gallica | May 08 15:50 | |
| schestowitz | we had our share of trolls here, like youhoung | May 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | he still tried coming back here a few times over the years | May 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | It didn't go well | May 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | no need to block or ban trolls if you make it clear to them you know what they're up to | May 08 15:50 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: its A little hard for me to use Windows at the moment thinking I don't have any instances of it in my house. | May 08 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Windows looks appalling | May 08 15:51 |
| oiaohm | I don't even have my windows vm for browser testing. | May 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | apparently it's also 'fat'... not that I checked... people come to assume a machine should have 4 core and over 4GB of RAM | May 08 15:51 |
| schestowitz | and anything else is "old" or "trash" | May 08 15:51 |
| oiaohm | My current machine is 8 core 16 threads and 32Gb of ram. | May 08 15:52 |
| MinceR | 08 164901 < schestowitz> and flood the channels with Microsoft talking points | May 08 15:52 |
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| MinceR | we can kickban them | May 08 15:52 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: What browsers would you want to test on Windows? | May 08 15:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no need | May 08 15:52 |
| schestowitz | it can be used against us, we oppose censorship and never deleted comments | May 08 15:52 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: when you do up websites you are still required by businesses to test with different versions of IE that it works. | May 08 15:52 |
| schestowitz | WHICH .... IE? | May 08 15:53 |
| schestowitz | There are many around still | May 08 15:53 |
| schestowitz | and they're in conflict with one another | May 08 15:53 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: If you don't need that, then there's no point. | May 08 15:53 |
| schestowitz | just like different versions of Office and OOXML | May 08 15:53 |
| kingoffrance | yes, much smarter IMO to preserve comments and then see if there is a pattern/deliberate provocations/whatever and showcase them later as example evidence (or allude to comments of such nature, if you want to protect people) | May 08 15:54 |
| kingoffrance | dont destroy evidence :) | May 08 15:55 |
| kingoffrance | keep it :) | May 08 15:55 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I can get away with only go back to IE 11 these days. | May 08 15:55 |
| schestowitz | how many use ie11? | May 08 15:55 |
| schestowitz | I reckon remaining ie users just use some stale version of windows like xp or vista | May 08 15:56 |
| schestowitz | (they exist) | May 08 15:56 |
| schestowitz | GE still uses Vista on some machines | May 08 15:56 |
| schestowitz | i know because they're one of our clients, and they insist we access their debian boxes over putty installed on Vista (yes, Vista) | May 08 15:56 |
| schestowitz | kingoffrance: MinceR did ban some few people from irc over the years | May 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | even mark bilk, rip | May 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | he beat covid to it | May 08 15:57 |
| MinceR | such people can always be replaced with /dev/urandom :> | May 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | left before the trumpfest took a grip | May 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: shitposting is an issue | May 08 15:58 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather have no irc activity than noise | May 08 15:58 |
| MinceR | same | May 08 15:58 |
| schestowitz | [15:39] <wsl-user> You have away being blinded by your hatred | May 08 15:58 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I really don't know if they use it that much but its written into the company requirements. | May 08 15:58 |
| schestowitz | projection | May 08 15:58 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/ << its got better since Microsoft has removed 8, 9 and 10 vm images from here. | May 08 15:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.microsoft.com | Virtual Machines - Microsoft Edge Developer | May 08 15:59 | |
| oiaohm | 8/9/10 being internet explorer versions. | May 08 15:59 |
| schestowitz | microsoft is obsolete for browsers | May 08 15:59 |
| schestowitz | and windows apparently loses market quite ra[idly | May 08 16:00 |
| schestowitz | even their buddies at net applications are not able to hide it | May 08 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Of course you grab that image and add firefox and chrome to it for testing windows support. | May 08 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Mac OS support testing is a curse from hell. | May 08 16:00 |
| psydread | I think hayden at least had the decency to come here with a nick that he had allegedly been using for years while he was on "holidays" | May 08 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Windows is holy? | May 08 16:01 |
| oiaohm | Really Microsoft has been fairly nice providing VMs to test with. | May 08 16:01 |
| schestowitz | 'nice' | May 08 16:01 |
| schestowitz | -14 | May 08 16:01 |
| oiaohm | Apple/Mac OS to be legal you have to buy hardware. | May 08 16:01 |
| schestowitz | it's self-serving, oiaohm | May 08 16:01 |
| MinceR | they nicely allow you to become dependent on them | May 08 16:01 |
| oiaohm | I know it self-serving. | May 08 16:01 |
| MinceR | so they have more leverage | May 08 16:01 |
| schestowitz | companies are never generous... they have something to gain.., but disguise it | May 08 16:01 |
| MinceR | with which to turn you into a slave | May 08 16:01 |
| MinceR | it's even more pointless to target macOS | May 08 16:02 |
| schestowitz | they also offer 'free' github accounts ;-)_ | May 08 16:02 |
| schestowitz | and 'free' linkedin accounts | May 08 16:02 |
| chasecrum | I'm lost - what in the world just happened with that WSL guy??? (following IRC while working can be challenging) | May 08 16:02 |
| MinceR | they block independent developers | May 08 16:02 |
| schestowitz | with 'free' proprietary features... 'free' for limited time | May 08 16:02 |
| MinceR | https://forums.xonotic.org/showthread.php?tid=6748 | May 08 16:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.xonotic.org | macOS Sierra: -basedir /path/to/game | May 08 16:02 | |
| schestowitz | the first one's free, told drug lord to the "USER" | May 08 16:02 |
| MinceR | allegedly even the workarounds don't work anymore | May 08 16:02 |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: maybe it's Hadyen | May 08 16:03 |
| schestowitz | maybe we were blowing his cover again | May 08 16:03 |
| MinceR | developers with any modicum of sense left just don't target or support macOS (or hypeOS) anymore | May 08 16:03 |
| schestowitz | he was evasive the last time but we trapped him into admitting who he was and why he came | May 08 16:03 |
| chasecrum | just so we're clear - and a quick search always seems to show - I work for SUSE. | May 08 16:03 |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: Microsoft is trying to discredit facts about WSL2 | May 08 16:03 |
| schestowitz | or the people who pass the facts around | May 08 16:04 |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: that's fine, it's not Novell anymore | May 08 16:04 |
| kingoffrance | ^^^ :) "or the people..." yes, when you cant argue facts that is how it goes | May 08 16:04 |
| schestowitz | and we used to have whistleblowers from Novell too | May 08 16:04 |
| chasecrum | ha | May 08 16:04 |
| chasecrum | I cam in post novell | May 08 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Novell did some bad things | May 08 16:04 |
| chasecrum | came | May 08 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Hovsepian sent me a letter a year ago | May 08 16:04 |
| schestowitz | sent his attorney on me :-) | May 08 16:04 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: the horrible part with macOS is if you are using it in a virtual machine and you wish to be legal you techically should own a apple machine. | May 08 16:05 |
| schestowitz | you cannot own it | May 08 16:05 |
| schestowitz | you cannot even install things on it | May 08 16:05 |
| schestowitz | so you know you don't own it | May 08 16:05 |
| schestowitz | if you buy a tractor and they say you must return it to the shop every night, do you really own it? | May 08 16:05 |
| schestowitz | and if you cannot repair it (true story)? | May 08 16:05 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: so Microsoft is nice and self serving when comes to free VM downloads to test with that are basically 90 day trial mode windows. | May 08 16:06 |
| chasecrum | if you rent a car - you can't install a different radio... | May 08 16:06 |
| schestowitz | bandwidth 'donation | May 08 16:06 |
| schestowitz | b/w is very cheap | May 08 16:06 |
| schestowitz | and they have much to benefit, like inflation 'usage' numbers | May 08 16:06 |
| schestowitz | which Shaw X. then boasts about, numbers totally out of context | May 08 16:06 |
| schestowitz | (like they do WSL) | May 08 16:07 |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: but you can if you buy it | May 08 16:07 |
| chasecrum | right | May 08 16:07 |
| schestowitz | and there are standard interfaces for those | May 08 16:07 |
| oiaohm | I can understand valve starting to drop OS X/Mac OS support. | May 08 16:07 |
| chasecrum | schestowitz did you see my prior question about your distro list in an article you wrote? | May 08 16:07 |
| schestowitz | they use Debian, Steam OS | May 08 16:07 |
| psydread | before you know it the latest version of macOS doesn't run on your hardware anymore and you're forced to buy a new Mac, because your hardware has been left behind and the Apple ecosystem relentlessly moves forward (or is that backward?) | May 08 16:07 |
| schestowitz | long term plan | May 08 16:07 |
| schestowitz | many Steam gaming addicts in China | May 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | China is moving to gnu/linux | May 08 16:08 |
| MinceR | you shouldn't own an apple machine | May 08 16:08 |
| MinceR | you shouldn't develop for apple devices | May 08 16:08 |
| MinceR | ever | May 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | when the gov says "LINUX!' people will get all nga (sic) and spineless and install it | May 08 16:08 |
| MinceR | they don't want you on their platforms, so let them develop for themselves | May 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | someone from microsoft told me ms asked him to develop for macs | May 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | because companies rejected the ms 'solution' | May 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | saying they need cross-platform | May 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | but he rejected the offer to develop for mac and I told him it would be worthless skills to gain | May 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | apple depends on hardware sales | May 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | the sales totally collapsed this quarter, we know why... | May 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | what will they sell now, os x licences? | May 08 16:10 |
| chasecrum | I hate to keep interupting your flow - but I've been trying to catch you online to get clarification about the list your wrote in your article | May 08 16:10 |
| schestowitz | figosdev wrote the list | May 08 16:10 |
| schestowitz | there's a wiki page for it | May 08 16:10 |
| chasecrum | can you send me a link? | May 08 16:10 |
| chasecrum | I'm trying to get a clear list of the distros that do not rely on github | May 08 16:10 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/GitHub_Projects_on_Tiny_Core | May 08 16:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Github Projects on Tiny Core - Techrights | May 08 16:11 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Github_Projects_on_Trisquel_netinstaller | May 08 16:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Github Projects on Trisquel netinstaller - Techrights | May 08 16:11 | |
| schestowitz | debian repos are 33% github | May 08 16:11 |
| schestowitz | based on the 28k or so packages and their info files | May 08 16:11 |
| schestowitz | but some might be gh mirrors | May 08 16:12 |
| chasecrum | you mentioned a list of Linux distros that were cleared = is there an actual list of the distros themselves? | May 08 16:12 |
| schestowitz | I'll find the article | May 08 16:12 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/04/06/check-phase/ | May 08 16:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHub is Moving the Free Software Movement Into “Check” | Techrights | May 08 16:12 | |
| schestowitz | " | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | This leaves 12% of our original list: | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | 1-3: 4MLinux, Absolute Linux, Android-x86 | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | 4-6: CRUX, Cucumber Linux, DragonFly BSD | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | 7-9: Dragora GNU/Linux-Libre, Exherbo, Fatdog64 Linux | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | 10-12: FreeBSD, FuguIta, Guix System | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | 13-15: Haiku, KolibriOS, Kwort Linux | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | 16-18: LinuxConsole, Linux From Scratch, Obarun | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | 19-21: OpenBSD, OviOS Linux, Plop Linux | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | 22-24: Porteus, Redcore, RISC OS Open | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | 25-27: Slackel, Slackware Linux, SliTaz GNU/Linux | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | 28-30: Source Mage GNU/Linux, T2 SDE, Tiny Core Linux | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | 31-33: Wifislax, Trusted End Node Security, Zenwalk Linux | May 08 16:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I am kind of like that if they want sited developed with apple machine support it does cost extra. Windows and Linux client support on website work is provided as part of the same package. | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | " | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | btw, figosdev reads irc logs | May 08 16:13 |
| chasecrum | perfect! | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | so he might be able to tell you more if you drop in the obfuscated email address | May 08 16:13 |
| chasecrum | thanks! | May 08 16:13 |
| oiaohm | Heck I do include android support. | May 08 16:13 |
| oiaohm | This is mostly because testing all that is low cost. | May 08 16:13 |
| schestowitz | (he keeps anonymous to avoid nuisance and dodgy people) | May 08 16:13 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: A bit off topic: how hard is it to get access to SLED for testing as an openSUSE maintainer? I've been asked to support MATE in SLE several times, last time by an actual SUSE employee. | May 08 16:14 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Android sucks, but not as much as some other OSes | May 08 16:14 |
| chasecrum | not hard at all!!! | May 08 16:14 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i would say there's no support and if it happens to work on their shitty machines, they should feel lucky | May 08 16:14 |
| schestowitz | which is why rianne posts Android news in tuxmacjines | May 08 16:14 |
| chasecrum | all SLES official downloads from our page come with a 30 day trial | May 08 16:14 |
| MinceR | 08 170921 < schestowitz> because companies rejected the ms 'solution' | May 08 16:14 |
| chasecrum | beyond that if you want an actual full license I'm sure we could arrange that | May 08 16:15 |
| MinceR | i had a different kind of "solution" in mind | May 08 16:15 |
| schestowitz | wait until -final | May 08 16:15 |
| schestowitz | now it's -alpha | May 08 16:15 |
| schestowitz | it's usually -alpha with Microsoft | May 08 16:15 |
| schestowitz | they can't hire talent | May 08 16:15 |
| chasecrum | email me your details - chase dot crum at suse dot com | May 08 16:16 |
| MinceR | sometimes they can, but it doesn't help | May 08 16:16 |
| MinceR | they had drobbins for a while | May 08 16:16 |
| schestowitz | (can't even buy talent) | May 08 16:16 |
| MinceR | microsoft products are still unusable | May 08 16:16 |
| schestowitz | they hired Nat and Stormy Peters | May 08 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Camp GNOME, de Icaza also | May 08 16:16 |
| schestowitz | soon they might also buy mcgovern | May 08 16:16 |
| MinceR | icaza always wanted to "work" for them | May 08 16:16 |
| schestowitz | and they then get the whole "set" of GNOMErs | May 08 16:16 |
| chasecrum | schestowitz - thank you for the list btw | May 08 16:16 |
| MinceR | he eventually lowered his skills to the point that it could finally happen | May 08 16:16 |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: np | May 08 16:16 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: Well, I don't need support or anything, just something that would show differences with Leap and resulting pitfalls. | May 08 16:17 |
| chasecrum | why does the name stormy peters ring a bell to me.... | May 08 16:17 |
| schestowitz | we need to look at Microsoft's boradroom strategy | May 08 16:17 |
| MinceR | maybe microsoft could merge with ibm, and then they'd have all the gnomes | May 08 16:17 |
| schestowitz | it's something they have in paper somewhere... but we cannot see, at least now yet... wsl, azure, vs code etc. are also pieces of their puzzle... it's another go at E.E.E> | May 08 16:17 |
| chasecrum | yeah I could probably swing that (I think, anyway), but there's talk of a new opensuse that merges sles and opensuse - I think it's going to be called jump? but it's not in release yet | May 08 16:18 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: would not pass muster with antirust | May 08 16:18 |
| schestowitz | but with Trumpism you never know | May 08 16:18 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: Weird name… | May 08 16:18 |
| schestowitz | he'd even allow a merger of Apple and Microsoft | May 08 16:18 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: there is no antitrust | May 08 16:18 |
| schestowitz | him and Delrahim | May 08 16:18 |
| schestowitz | lobbyist became official | May 08 16:18 |
| chasecrum | idk | May 08 16:18 |
| MinceR | there was some pathetic pretense of it, now there's nothing | May 08 16:18 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: Well, I'm mostly worried about packages that are lacking in SLE, that probably won't change, right? | May 08 16:18 |
| MinceR | instead there's UEFI with Restricted Boot | May 08 16:18 |
| MinceR | with microsoft as the Ministry of PC OS Gatekeeping | May 08 16:19 |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: sounds like leap | May 08 16:19 |
| chasecrum | probably not? but I'll check to see if I can get a license for you - not sure - but sorta sure | May 08 16:19 |
| oiaohm | UEFI on OS X machine is more of a mangled mess than UEFI on windows PCs. | May 08 16:19 |
| MinceR | but nobody cares | May 08 16:19 |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: maybe you 'leaked' a surprise | May 08 16:19 |
| MinceR | because nobody uses apple PCs | May 08 16:19 |
| chasecrum | I don't think so - it's in all of the mailing lists... | May 08 16:19 |
| schestowitz | dell will soon announce some linux laptops | May 08 16:19 |
| schestowitz | they see the numbers up | May 08 16:19 |
| schestowitz | they sicced their PR people on me last night | May 08 16:19 |
| chasecrum | and there's plenty of people on the opensuse mailing list that are outside of the company | May 08 16:20 |
| schestowitz | I didn't reply to them of course, but I know what they keep under embargo, pasted it here this morning | May 08 16:20 |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: I just know about tumbleweed upstream with SLE | May 08 16:20 |
| MinceR | finally i could buy a laptop with systemd preinstalled, with a hinge, keyboard and touchpad buttons that will all break themselves and a gpu that will cook itself, with no warranty | May 08 16:20 |
| schestowitz | I posted a link to it last nigth | May 08 16:20 |
| MinceR | where do i sign up? | May 08 16:20 |
| schestowitz | because the LWN article about it had its paywall lapse | May 08 16:21 |
| MinceR | oh, and as an extra bonus, it will cost more than with windows preinstalled | May 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: d stands for dell | May 08 16:21 |
| chasecrum | crap - maybe it's not out - let me go check and see if I just shot myself | May 08 16:21 |
| MinceR | because there isn't enough malware beside systemd preinstalled on it | May 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz | because it deLLetes your whole gnu/linux stack | May 08 16:21 |
| MinceR | :> | May 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz | and it becomes Microsoft-hosted IBM code | May 08 16:21 |
| MinceR | it's like throwing your money into a furnace | May 08 16:21 |
| schestowitz | 65,000 files in the source, iirc | May 08 16:21 |
| MinceR | except with the fleeting illusion of getting something other than smoke for it | May 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz | I recently downloaded the lot and was astonished by the size... it's monstrous like AOSP... which I think is like 6 GB for the sources years ago | May 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz | size as obfuscation | May 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz | make it huge | May 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz | nobody gets it | May 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz | one monopoly controls it | May 08 16:22 |
| schestowitz | dumps it on MS GitHub | May 08 16:23 |
| schestowitz | voila | May 08 16:23 |
| MinceR | old microsoft motto | May 08 16:23 |
| schestowitz | call it "Open Source" | May 08 16:23 |
| MinceR | "if you can't make it good, at least make it big" | May 08 16:23 |
| schestowitz | and the gnomes at OSI clap, clap, clap | May 08 16:23 |
| schestowitz | next up: hippocratic licence | May 08 16:23 |
| MinceR | and they even get to brag about how many lines of code they have | May 08 16:23 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: bigger tumour | May 08 16:24 |
| schestowitz | it'll never be good either way | May 08 16:24 |
| psydread | I'm wondering now if offering machines with gnu/linux is going to be a necessary course of action for these companies to ensure their survival rather than just a nice thing for their customers to have | May 08 16:24 |
| MinceR | people don't want good anyway | May 08 16:24 |
| MinceR | they want expensive, "hip", "cool" and "trendy" | May 08 16:24 |
| psydread | because if they don't do, someone else will | May 08 16:24 |
| schestowitz | "If you can’t make it good, at least make it look good." | May 08 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates, Microsoft | May 08 16:24 |
| psydread | do it* | May 08 16:24 |
| schestowitz | (iirc the context was vista) | May 08 16:25 |
| MinceR | he couldn't make it look good though | May 08 16:25 |
| schestowitz | they threw some window decor translucency on that hog... when people still had pentiums | May 08 16:25 |
| chasecrum | just verified, jump is a public discussion | May 08 16:25 |
| schestowitz | ok, good | May 08 16:25 |
| chasecrum | I almost had a small heart attack | May 08 16:25 |
| schestowitz | kris cross | May 08 16:25 |
| kingoffrance | yes, i am always amazed at size of some source trees...with higher-level languages, one would think, all else being equal (never is) conciseness (more "punch" per line of code, in theory) would lead to smaller, or at least stagnant-size codebases | May 08 16:26 |
| zoobab | jump jump jump | May 08 16:26 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Kross | May 08 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Kris Kross - Wikipedia | May 08 16:26 | |
| MinceR | bunnyhop | May 08 16:26 |
| zoobab | the best were the suspensions on the cars in the background | May 08 16:26 |
| chasecrum | https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2020-04/msg00002.html | May 08 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.opensuse.org | [opensuse-project] Bringing Leap and SUSE Linux Enterprise closer togeth | May 08 16:26 | |
| kingoffrance | i always wonder if big source trees are full of "assets" e.g. graphics/sound/etc. | May 08 16:26 |
| schestowitz | yesterday we watched like 5 hours of brian mcknight videos | May 08 16:26 |
| schestowitz | he's like 50 now... still performing and singing with a grey beard | May 08 16:27 |
| schestowitz | his kids released some albums | May 08 16:27 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5RQkC8-BTA | May 08 16:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Brian McKnight In Concert August 2017 - YouTube | May 08 16:27 | |
| XRevan86 | > but also offering the SUSE Linux Enterprise binaries | May 08 16:27 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: What are those? | May 08 16:27 |
| schestowitz | last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukgjPqjTrs8&list=TLPQMDgwNTIwMjAiXrn5q-YdxA&index=2 | May 08 16:27 |
| schestowitz | (Same voice still) | May 08 16:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Brian McKnight "6-8-12" Live at Java Jazz Festival 2009 - YouTube | May 08 16:27 | |
| chasecrum | that is the mailing list to the jump discussion | May 08 16:28 |
| schestowitz | oops, 2009 | May 08 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: As far as I know, most of the SLE stuff was already opened to the public eye on build.opensuse.org… | May 08 16:28 |
| schestowitz | I'm still on the opensuse mailing lists | May 08 16:28 |
| MinceR | it's like rHELL :> | May 08 16:28 |
| chasecrum | yes that's true - jump is just a new initiative to bring leap and sles closer together | May 08 16:28 |
| MinceR | systemd, and you get to pay a lot for it :> | May 08 16:28 |
| schestowitz | since I was a S.u.S.E. users many moons ago as a student | May 08 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: I even took some of that when fixing up lttng. | May 08 16:28 |
| chasecrum | I have a pretty limited wheelhouse - I'm an architect inside the consulting division | May 08 16:29 |
| schestowitz | maybe suse will make a comeback one day... without help from some company like Microsoft | May 08 16:29 |
| MinceR | (and if suse can't fix the bugs in systemd, you can also get a support contract from ibm!" | May 08 16:29 |
| MinceR | s/.$/)/ | May 08 16:29 |
| schestowitz | systemd can be forked | May 08 16:29 |
| schestowitz | then stripped off the fats | May 08 16:29 |
| schestowitz | but it's a huge task | May 08 16:29 |
| schestowitz | it's lgpl, iirc | May 08 16:30 |
| chasecrum | suse is now a quote unquote independant company - if I had to bet - and SOLEY my opinione here - I'd expect an IPO in a few years | May 08 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | It's LGPL, yes. | May 08 16:30 |
| MinceR | pointless | May 08 16:30 |
| schestowitz | at least make it portable with old systems | May 08 16:30 |
| MinceR | the whole concept is broken | May 08 16:30 |
| MinceR | if you strip out the parts that don't make sense, you get an empty repository | May 08 16:30 |
| schestowitz | it's not broken | May 08 16:30 |
| schestowitz | it's a broken window | May 08 16:30 |
| MinceR | yes it is | May 08 16:30 |
| schestowitz | it brings biz to red hat | May 08 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: Well, that was the idea. | May 08 16:30 |
| MinceR | it does the wrong thing and it does it incorrectly | May 08 16:30 |
| schestowitz | very opaque errors | May 08 16:30 |
| MinceR | and it's implemented badly, and not documented | May 08 16:30 |
| schestowitz | i wasted over 10 hours trying to work out particular strongswam settings with debianD, aka buster | May 08 16:31 |
| schestowitz | *strongswan | May 08 16:31 |
| MinceR | it doesn't reap zombies reliably, it produces a log that is especially bloated and prone to corruption | May 08 16:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: good luck finding the code | May 08 16:32 |
| schestowitz | first of all, it's Microsoft servers | May 08 16:32 |
| schestowitz | secondly, it's mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmassive | May 08 16:32 |
| MinceR | it breaks applications by default | May 08 16:32 |
| schestowitz | they include a file there for like every possible device | May 08 16:32 |
| MinceR | it's a massive hairball with no cohesion | May 08 16:32 |
| schestowitz | it's vast... I wonder how it'll compare to linux (kernel) a few years down the line | May 08 16:32 |
| MinceR | and hardly any comments | May 08 16:32 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: That was the initial idea behind EQT getting SUSE from Micro Focus, IIRC. | May 08 16:32 |
| schestowitz | linux is at least very modular witb loadable modules | May 08 16:32 |
| MinceR | it's supposed to run a lot of stuff as root, a lot of it in pid1, and it's not programmed defensively | May 08 16:32 |
| MinceR | it's brimming with vulnerabilities | May 08 16:33 |
| chasecrum | it's ertainly EQT's track record - which I personally find exciting as an employee and fan | May 08 16:33 |
| schestowitz | so buy support | May 08 16:33 |
| schestowitz | the cves ibm will take care of | May 08 16:33 |
| schestowitz | ibm will look after you | May 08 16:33 |
| schestowitz | like they did a dude called adold | May 08 16:33 |
| schestowitz | adold | May 08 16:34 |
| schestowitz | when a guy called Watson was IBM's CEO | May 08 16:34 |
| schestowitz | it's not like IBM still wants him mentioned ;-) | May 08 16:34 |
| schestowitz | IBM.. will give you "business machines" | May 08 16:34 |
| schestowitz | support for RHEL.... $2000/year/cpu/vm | May 08 16:34 |
| schestowitz | "managed service" | May 08 16:34 |
| schestowitz | and the more it breaks, the more you will need them | May 08 16:35 |
| kingoffrance | well watson jr IIRC was son of watson sr IIRC ... but yeah :) | May 08 16:35 |
| MinceR | good old Dehomag, eh? | May 08 16:36 |
| chasecrum | https://twitter.com/tfir_io/status/1257336322957684736 | May 08 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tfir_io: @SUSE and @openSUSE are working together to bring openSUSE and SLE closer so developers can easily move from develo… https://t.co/nqTobHfnlq | May 08 16:36 | |
| kingoffrance | you can find ancient circa 1960 or so "family songs" "welcome to the family" type employee motivational, they had an ibm song IIRC | May 08 16:36 |
| schestowitz | lol, swat's channel | May 08 16:36 |
| schestowitz | the marketing shill | May 08 16:37 |
| schestowitz | *swap's | May 08 16:37 |
| schestowitz | he's taking money for PR spam and youtube vids NOBODY watches | May 08 16:37 |
| schestowitz | like 10 views a day for new videos, far less for older ones | May 08 16:37 |
| chasecrum | is gentoo using github??? well - I could probably check that myself... | May 08 16:37 |
| *psydread confirmed once again yesterday that debian systemd running in qemu takes up to 7 minutes to boot a system on a singlecore processor with 256 mb of memory and fails to boot with 128 mb installed | May 08 16:38 | |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: I wonder if the idea to make it like Ubuntu, with the supported main and community universe… | May 08 16:38 |
| schestowitz | I don't know why people pay him, but it's often arrange through LF, so the funnelling curries favour with Zemlin and ehe Microsoft execs who now literally boss torvalds | May 08 16:38 |
| XRevan86 | https://gitweb.gentoo.org/ | May 08 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gitweb.gentoo.org | Gentoo Git Repositories | May 08 16:38 | |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: no | May 08 16:38 |
| schestowitz | mirror, iirc | May 08 16:38 |
| chasecrum | IDK honestly, I thought that was the whole point of leap - I mean , it's supposed to be that close to sles already - so I still have a lot of catching up to do on that convo | May 08 16:39 |
| chasecrum | wait - gentoo wasn't on the list above - so gentoo is free of github???? | May 08 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: There are definitely some weird discrepancies here and there. Like I mentioned lttng – it was somewhat supported in SLE, but orphaned in openSUSE. | May 08 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | Now it's the other way around %). | May 08 16:39 |
| schestowitz | maybe it uses some core packages that are developed on Microsoft's servers | May 08 16:39 |
| zoobab | there won't be any change as long as HTTP is not replaced | May 08 16:39 |
| schestowitz | what de does gentoo default to if any? | May 08 16:40 |
| zoobab | HTTP is a slavery protocol, which requires a master | May 08 16:40 |
| schestowitz | some DEs are developed on shithub sadly... | May 08 16:40 |
| schestowitz | we work towards changing this, some are responsive and make plans to leave | May 08 16:40 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: So they probably want a complete merge. | May 08 16:40 |
| chasecrum | idk- haven't used gentoo for over a decade - was gonna give it a second glance in light of the github hubub - but I wasn't sure if it was mired in github as well - so you're saying it's not? | May 08 16:40 |
| chasecrum | Xrevan86 I think you're right - almost like centos? | May 08 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: Oh, it's mirrored on GitHub definitely. | May 08 16:41 |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: afaik they use it for mirroring only | May 08 16:41 |
| schestowitz | but iirc there was a controversy when people put down issues in there | May 08 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: Dunno about CentOS, it no longer makes sense to me at all. | May 08 16:41 |
| chasecrum | mirroring is one thing (if I'm interpreting your article correctly) but hosted, no? | May 08 16:41 |
| schestowitz | making a dependency on Microsoft's (not back then Microsoft's) proprietary lock-in | May 08 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: CentOS used to be a de-branded version of RHEL based on publicly available package sources (RHEL is providing sources). | May 08 16:42 |
| chasecrum | I've been on sles and opensuse for a loooooooong time now - I'm out of touch with the others and need a refresh of sorts | May 08 16:42 |
| chasecrum | right | May 08 16:42 |
| schestowitz | what IS gentoo anyway? | May 08 16:42 |
| schestowitz | it's so abstract as it's source | May 08 16:42 |
| zoobab | the state of Git is not that great neither, submodules are still a mess after 10 years | May 08 16:42 |
| chasecrum | gentoo is a from source compile everything model | May 08 16:42 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: Now that CentOS is also IBM… I don't know what that's for. Poor man's RHEL or something. | May 08 16:42 |
| schestowitz | like lfs... at least arch has binaries | May 08 16:42 |
| schestowitz | even sabayon, which builds from gentoo sources | May 08 16:42 |
| chasecrum | it was always poor man's rhel | May 08 16:42 |
| schestowitz | gentoo is emerge | May 08 16:42 |
| zoobab | https://www.reddit.com/r/devops/comments/cgtzlh/git_submodules_are_a_pain_in_the_ass/ | May 08 16:43 |
| schestowitz | suse is yast2 etc. | May 08 16:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Git Submodules are a pain in the ass : devops | May 08 16:43 | |
| schestowitz | autoyast, obs.. | May 08 16:43 |
| chasecrum | so to be clear - if we want to avoid the github main concern from the article - gentoo is still clear since it only mirrors? | May 08 16:43 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: I mean, what is the point of it existing now when it's coming from the same company as RHEL – to show with a name that this person/company has no privilege to use RHEL? | May 08 16:43 |
| schestowitz | formerly go-oo ;-) | May 08 16:43 |
| zoobab | I tried to reinstall my Sabayon, the latest release they did was uninstallable | May 08 16:43 |
| XRevan86 | and nothing more? | May 08 16:43 |
| chasecrum | yeah I get that | May 08 16:43 |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: he checks deps too | May 08 16:43 |
| schestowitz | he spends weeks studying and computing on the data | May 08 16:44 |
| chasecrum | sabayon had a SLICK looking graphical and cli environment the last time I looked at it | May 08 16:44 |
| chasecrum | eons ago | May 08 16:44 |
| zoobab | RHEL is making FLOSS proprietary by using trademarks | May 08 16:44 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: they barely release anymore | May 08 16:44 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: Actually, no, maintainership of Gentoo requires GitHub… | May 08 16:44 |
| chasecrum | ok - so gentoo is NOT clear of the github mess | May 08 16:44 |
| XRevan86 | A lot of collaboration in Gentoo happens there. It's on a per-package basis. | May 08 16:44 |
| zoobab | I loved it though, binary gentoo, they had most of the packages I needed | May 08 16:44 |
| schestowitz | their chief (only) dev is probably locked down somewhere right now in Italy | May 08 16:44 |
| schestowitz | and I have not seen a single text from him in eyars | May 08 16:45 |
| schestowitz | *years | May 08 16:45 |
| chasecrum | so are ours lol | May 08 16:45 |
| zoobab | yeah it's probably a one guy job, still impressed | May 08 16:45 |
| zoobab | one day we will replacing packaging with bots | May 08 16:45 |
| schestowitz | github loses LOOOOADs of money | May 08 16:45 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: So yes, Gentoo is not clear. | May 08 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has a grand plan | May 08 16:45 |
| schestowitz | it's not running at a loss for nothing | May 08 16:45 |
| zoobab | AzureAzureAzure | May 08 16:46 |
| schestowitz | on github financials: http://techrights.org/2020/04/08/githug/ | May 08 16:46 |
| chasecrum | the older I get - the more of a purist I am becoming - and am probably days away from committing to LFS as no other way out | May 08 16:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHug – A Guest Article by Thomas Grzybowski | Techrights | May 08 16:46 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: not only that | May 08 16:46 |
| schestowitz | and azure was making massive losses too | May 08 16:46 |
| schestowitz | maybe still does | May 08 16:46 |
| schestowitz | it's under-provisioned | May 08 16:46 |
| schestowitz | and they reportedly shut down some DCs... so much for 'growth' and 'expansion' | May 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/02/03/azure-lies/ | May 08 16:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft “Azure” (or “Cloud”) Results Are Most Likely an Elaborate Fraud | Techrights | May 08 16:47 | |
| zoobab | I believe after containers wave, serverless will take over | May 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: the threats evolve | May 08 16:47 |
| MinceR | lol | May 08 16:47 |
| zoobab | when people will look at the cost | May 08 16:47 |
| MinceR | i'm waiting for clientless | May 08 16:47 |
| zoobab | serverless is a bad name | May 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | and computers tighten, drm, tpm, uefi 'secure boot', centralised github dev, 'clown' computing, back doors | May 08 16:47 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: I'd really like SUSE and openSUSE to get a GitLab instance or something %). | May 08 16:48 |
| MinceR | indeed | May 08 16:48 |
| MinceR | better yet, humanless | May 08 16:48 |
| schestowitz | so if you don't keep jumping between the pebbled, you'll drown like rms | May 08 16:48 |
| MinceR | no users, no problem | May 08 16:48 |
| schestowitz | *pebbles | May 08 16:48 |
| zoobab | humanless will come | May 08 16:48 |
| zoobab | no more software developers | May 08 16:48 |
| schestowitz | heh | May 08 16:48 |
| schestowitz | no more humans | May 08 16:48 |
| MinceR | no more savages, no more authoritarians, no more polluters | May 08 16:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: make a joke | May 08 16:48 |
| chasecrum | some of our internal project are on GL already but I don't think there's a big push to migrate or anything given the partnership relationships between the two | May 08 16:48 |
| MinceR | can't, i'm too drained | May 08 16:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: hehe, beat me to it by responding with nihilist jokes | May 08 16:49 |
| schestowitz | the gates types are finally getting it hard these days | May 08 16:49 |
| schestowitz | (I mean sexually) | May 08 16:49 |
| MinceR | life in this shithole country is slowly killing me | May 08 16:49 |
| schestowitz | seeing the depopulation agenda falling into their lap | May 08 16:49 |
| MinceR | good | May 08 16:49 |
| MinceR | it should be applied to them as well | May 08 16:49 |
| schestowitz | overpopulation to be tackled... by serial criminals, arrested several times | May 08 16:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: naaa.. | May 08 16:49 |
| MinceR | the gates family has done a lot of harm to humanity and other lifeforms | May 08 16:50 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/01/26/advocates-of-population-control/ | May 08 16:50 |
| MinceR | and they show no signs of slowing down | May 08 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Opinion: If You Advocate Population Control and You Are Yourself Doubling in One Single Generation, Then You Might be Hypocritical | Techrights | May 08 16:50 | |
| schestowitz | he had sisters, quite a few kids | May 08 16:50 |
| schestowitz | big families, but they're "allowed".... they "can afford"... like Saudis with "number of wives"... if "they can afford" | May 08 16:50 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: his mom is a maxwell | May 08 16:50 |
| schestowitz | the one who got him the ibm contract | May 08 16:50 |
| schestowitz | ibm and microsoft are buddies now | May 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | via red hat | May 08 16:51 |
| MinceR | so are ibm and apple | May 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | every week ibm promotes some msft something... like azure | May 08 16:51 |
| MinceR | all the enemies of computing in one big happy family | May 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | it often feels like many giafam companies sort of collude, protect one another... like a pact to permit collective market domination | May 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | many have their subsites at github too | May 08 16:51 |
| zoobab | https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-07/startup-seeks-royalties-from-google-apple-covid-tracking-apps | May 08 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? | May 08 16:51 | |
| schestowitz | their shares enemies are known | May 08 16:52 |
| schestowitz | regulators, free software, people with a clue about computers | May 08 16:52 |
| MinceR | they own the regulators | May 08 16:52 |
| schestowitz | apple-google --- another example | May 08 16:53 |
| MinceR | there was not a peep from these alleged "regulators" about UEFI | May 08 16:53 |
| schestowitz | suddently rivals are all buddies | May 08 16:53 |
| schestowitz | to put "beacons" in 7 billion people's groin | May 08 16:53 |
| psydread | that means there is a bigger threat out there | May 08 16:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: or github takeover | May 08 16:53 |
| MinceR | indeed | May 08 16:53 |
| schestowitz | was any merger blocked in the past 5 years? | May 08 16:54 |
| schestowitz | I can hardly think of any... they may have added some conditions, but what was all | May 08 16:54 |
| MinceR | well, the Siemens Mobility + Alstom merger was :> | May 08 16:54 |
| schestowitz | psydread: the RUSHANS!! ;-) | May 08 16:54 |
| psydread | what if people took computing into their own hands without any need for giafam whatsoever? | May 08 16:54 |
| psydread | haha | May 08 16:54 |
| schestowitz | fairphone? | May 08 16:54 |
| schestowitz | well.. | May 08 16:55 |
| schestowitz | all phones are telecom dependent | May 08 16:55 |
| schestowitz | they need the towers | May 08 16:55 |
| MinceR | psydread: would be nice, but it requires chip fabbing at home | May 08 16:55 |
| schestowitz | so the telecom conglomerates/oligopoly has them by their data etc. | May 08 16:55 |
| MinceR | and multilayer shielded PCB printing at home | May 08 16:55 |
| schestowitz | they can even remotely record them having sex... for blackmail and whatnot... see what the CIA/UC Global did to Julian Assange inside the embassy | May 08 16:55 |
| schestowitz | they even stole the pacifier of his babies for DNA... perhaps looking for dirt related to relationships | May 08 16:56 |
| schestowitz | (there's s trial about it in Spain... but COVID... so I guess on pause for now) | May 08 16:57 |
| MinceR | or to clone his babies | May 08 16:57 |
| MinceR | for a new cyborg army | May 08 16:57 |
| psydread | MinceR, is chip fabrication regulated in that you need to agree to have certain blackboxes built into your chips to even get them manufactured? I don't particularly care much for telecom functionality, but I want to have fully open and auditable chips, eventually at least | May 08 16:58 |
| MinceR | psydread: why would they tell you that they put backdoors into every chip they manufacture? | May 08 16:59 |
| zoobab | EFF waking up from its letargy? | May 08 16:59 |
| zoobab | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/05/patent-office-adjusting-supreme-court-ruling-ignoring-it | May 08 16:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | The Patent Office Is “Adjusting” to a Supreme Court Ruling by Ignoring It | Electronic Frontier Foundation | May 08 16:59 | |
| schestowitz | I saw that, zooba | May 08 17:00 |
| schestowitz | and made a draft, zoobab | May 08 17:00 |
| schestowitz | EFF Should Also Speak About the EPO Granting Software Patents Against the Law | May 08 17:00 |
| schestowitz | <b>Related</b>: [cref 126671] | May 08 17:00 |
| schestowitz | <p align="center"> | May 08 17:00 |
| schestowitz | <img src="" alt="" width="480" /> | May 08 17:01 |
| schestowitz | </p> | May 08 17:01 |
| schestowitz | <em><b>Summary</b>: </em> | May 08 17:01 |
| schestowitz | <font size="5"><b><a name="top">T</a></b></font>2 | May 08 17:01 |
| MinceR | https://i.pinimg.com/736x/aa/e6/d5/aae6d533af1ac9339c69f2e1e270d2d0.jpg | May 08 17:01 |
| schestowitz | <p class="dropcap-first"><a name="top">T</a></p> | May 08 17:01 |
| schestowitz | EFF ignores European Patent Office (<a href="http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO" title="EPO">EPO</a>) abuses of <a href="http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/António_Campinos" title="António Campinos">António Campinos</a> and <a href="http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Benoît_Battistelli" title="Benoît Battistelli">Benoît Battistelli</a>, which includes illegal granting of <a href="http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ | May 08 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Software_Patents_in_Europe" title="Software Patents in Europe">software patents in Europe</a> . They only care about copyright policy in Europe while pocketing Google money. | May 08 17:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | May 08 17:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | António Campinos - Techrights | May 08 17:01 | |
| schestowitz | maybe you can add links, zoobab | May 08 17:01 |
| psydread | MinceR, so what would you suggest? is it feasible to have a chip fabbing facility at home (or the barn or some abandoned house in the middle of nowhere)? | May 08 17:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Benoît Battistelli - Techrights | May 08 17:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Main Page - Techrights | May 08 17:01 | |
| MinceR | psydread: i don't know | May 08 17:01 |
| schestowitz | it's too short and simple at the moment to turn into a worthwhile article | May 08 17:01 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: ask EFF about EPO | May 08 17:02 |
| schestowitz | ask why it is not mentioned | May 08 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Mark Cuban did not pay them to deal with Europe | May 08 17:02 |
| schestowitz | only his own turf | May 08 17:02 |
| schestowitz | his own interests, his own money | May 08 17:02 |
| schestowitz | and I guess the budget he gave them ran out | May 08 17:02 |
| schestowitz | so vera and dan left | May 08 17:02 |
| schestowitz | and no more articles about patents, except maybe once a month, usually by Joe from Arse Technically Pedophile | May 08 17:03 |
| MinceR | :) | May 08 17:03 |
| schestowitz | (defunct conde nast 'news' site, funded by Microsoft.... they admitted this to me) | May 08 17:03 |
| zoobab | EFF is an american thing | May 08 17:03 |
| schestowitz | so? | May 08 17:03 |
| schestowitz | what about copyright in EU? | May 08 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Remember? | May 08 17:03 |
| schestowitz | How much they wrote about it? | May 08 17:04 |
| schestowitz | like 50 blog posts | May 08 17:04 |
| schestowitz | some from doctorow, few from others | May 08 17:04 |
| schestowitz | so they're a "US" thing only when their USians sponsors say so | May 08 17:04 |
| schestowitz | but would go to LatAm and Europe when "real bosses" ask them to | May 08 17:04 |
| schestowitz | EFF is not what it used to be | May 08 17:04 |
| zoobab | in any case they are powerless | May 08 17:05 |
| schestowitz | thankfully I documented a lot of their recently blunders, which I cannot recall offhand anymore | May 08 17:05 |
| schestowitz | they're boosters of Signal (MS Github) | May 08 17:05 |
| schestowitz | while bashing GNU PG... based on the nonsense that is web page as so-called 'email | May 08 17:05 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: no | May 08 17:05 |
| schestowitz | they are dead | May 08 17:05 |
| schestowitz | barlow is dead | May 08 17:05 |
| schestowitz | co-founders have long not been involved | May 08 17:05 |
| schestowitz | and they give awards to Microsoft staff | May 08 17:06 |
| schestowitz | and they hire totally incompetence people, not based on skills or merit | May 08 17:06 |
| schestowitz | but for image | May 08 17:06 |
| schestowitz | to appeal to SF hipsters | May 08 17:06 |
| schestowitz | |bay area" | May 08 17:06 |
| schestowitz | they pay huge salaries and pay massive office rents... like people who pay5 bucks for a cup of coffeee | May 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | they're not efficient, not agile, and they take money from billionaires and from Google | May 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | they lost it | May 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | like Mozilla did | May 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | (they're also connected in terms of people) | May 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | they use zoom now | May 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | join eff, get involved | May 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | install zoom | May 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | yay | May 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | electronic frontier fuckall | May 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | they were still ok a decade back | May 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | they had good leadership | May 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | they supported wikileaks | May 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | and assange | May 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | they set up support framework for julian assange | May 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | now they hire anti-Assange and anti-Wikileaks 'warriors' (scare quotes because who they really serve are the very thing EFF was SUPPOSED to FIGHT and DID fight prior to this) | May 08 17:09 |
| schestowitz | I argued with some EFF bigwig/fuckwit some days ago on Twitter | May 08 17:11 |
| schestowitz | and it's on IRC BTW | May 08 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Like someone who had read that told me, they now treat journalists like something you toss in a dumpster | May 08 17:11 |
| schestowitz | they used to defend not only journalists but also bloggers | May 08 17:11 |
| schestowitz | I still have their banner for it at the front page of techrights... now they actively attack people who do proper journalism | May 08 17:12 |
| schestowitz | and would gladly subscribe to all this RUSSIAGATE BS | May 08 17:12 |
| schestowitz | as if the US president is Vladimir Putin | May 08 17:12 |
| schestowitz | and GNU is some dirty stuff | May 08 17:12 |
| schestowitz | and shiny "app" signal, which comes from github iirc and needs you to buy a spying tool ('phone') is superior to pgp | May 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | because, you know, you use pgp to send people HTML (!!) as "email" | May 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | they never even retracted their BS about "EFAIL" | May 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | even after people had corrected them | May 08 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | That Signal has its sources published on MS GitHub is not the worst thing in my opinion. | May 08 17:14 |
| schestowitz | yup, shithub: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software) | May 08 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Signal (software) - Wikipedia | May 08 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | Repository shithub.com/signalapp | May 08 17:15 |
| XRevan86 | What are are the controversies around third-party clients, copyright on Double Ratchet implementations and talks on how federation is a failed concept. | May 08 17:15 |
| MinceR | them trying to force users to use their own build of the allegedly "free" Signal is a bigger problem | May 08 17:15 |
| schestowitz | 1. buy a 'phone' | May 08 17:15 |
| MinceR | it's effectively nonfree | May 08 17:15 |
| schestowitz | 2. register a number with your ID | May 08 17:15 |
| XRevan86 | and mobile phone requirements | May 08 17:15 |
| MinceR | and nonfree software is not secure | May 08 17:15 |
| schestowitz | 3. download "app" from "store" | May 08 17:15 |
| schestowitz | (developed on Microsoft servers with NSA back doors and PRISM direct access) | May 08 17:15 |
| schestowitz | 4. enjoy your fake 'privacy' while they PROFIT! (WIkileaks Vault 7 already show how CIA bypasses Signal 'protection' at OS level) | May 08 17:16 |
| schestowitz | that's EFF for you | May 08 17:16 |
| schestowitz | effif' f* f* | May 08 17:16 |
| MinceR | Eff! | May 08 17:17 |
| schestowitz | EFFIn' | May 08 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I checked their budget recently | May 08 17:17 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec5kTr9Yhcw | May 08 17:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A video with *eff* in it - YouTube | May 08 17:17 | |
| schestowitz | I think I may have also written something about it, but I am not sure at the moment... I think I saw their salaries in the IRS thing | May 08 17:17 |
| schestowitz | (they are not run by geeks) | May 08 17:18 |
| chasecrum | sorry - just getting back to this conversation - on a web call - so EFF is bad now? | May 08 17:18 |
| schestowitz | (optimised for attracting corporate funding and hipster members in "Bay Area") | May 08 17:18 |
| MinceR | at least it's inEFFective | May 08 17:18 |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: they ... MinceR beat me to it | May 08 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Novell gave them a donation in 2006 or 2007 | May 08 17:19 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: "with NSA back doors and PRISM direct access" – well, it is an open git repo | May 08 17:19 |
| chasecrum | I'm sorry if my questions seem lame - I'm just getting back into this culturally after ignoring a lot of the more virutous issues due to career overcommittment | May 08 17:19 |
| MinceR | and their "secure" messaging scorecard can't be trusted | May 08 17:19 |
| schestowitz | in relation to patent, the busting/squashing project | May 08 17:19 |
| MinceR | it gives signal a perfect score | May 08 17:19 |
| chasecrum | I thought if the code was open source and visiable - that it was auditable and still good? | May 08 17:19 |
| schestowitz | back then the EFF did some useful thing... to Novell is was a publicity stunt when the public blasted Novell for helping Microsoft attack Linux with patents | May 08 17:19 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: For one thing, you cannot be sure that what Signal servers are running is the same code you see in their git repos. | May 08 17:20 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: not the point | May 08 17:20 |
| schestowitz | 1. they get a list of who commits | May 08 17:20 |
| schestowitz | who downloads | May 08 17:20 |
| schestowitz | who read, inc. foreign actors | May 08 17:20 |
| chasecrum | ah | May 08 17:20 |
| schestowitz | they also have this microsoft thing in shithub where 'for security' they 'fix' code for you | May 08 17:20 |
| schestowitz | silently, without intervention | May 08 17:20 |
| chasecrum | now i get the bigger picture here | May 08 17:20 |
| schestowitz | 'for security' | May 08 17:20 |
| schestowitz | so hypothetically they can do something 'for' the devs... that looks like an improvement but is actually a cleverly-drafted bug | May 08 17:21 |
| chasecrum | this falls in line with the idea that you can piece together the meta data and still get the bigger picture kind of argument | May 08 17:21 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: My grudge is focused on that this "privacy-centric" messenger requires a phone number, which is practically like asking for a passport these days. | May 08 17:21 |
| MinceR | 08 182048 < schestowitz> they also have this microsoft thing in shithub where 'for security' they 'fix' code for you | May 08 17:21 |
| chasecrum | right - it's not anonymous if you can pinpoint to a cell (trackable) number | May 08 17:21 |
| MinceR | ooh, i didn't know they did that | May 08 17:22 |
| schestowitz | techrights covered it in passing | May 08 17:22 |
| schestowitz | docile media hailed it as a 'great thing'(TM) | May 08 17:22 |
| schestowitz | because of course they don't think, they copy-paste emails from PR operatives | May 08 17:22 |
| schestowitz | and Microsoft is among their advertisers | May 08 17:22 |
| chasecrum | so what's the better option over signal??? | May 08 17:22 |
| schestowitz | mouth | May 08 17:22 |
| schestowitz | failing that, pgp on gnu/linux seems ok because... | May 08 17:23 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: The closest thing is Wire, which is also centralised, has similiar encryption ideas, but doesn't insist on a phone number. | May 08 17:23 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: A healthier version of Signal | May 08 17:23 |
| chasecrum | right | May 08 17:23 |
| schestowitz | afaik, nobody really can name an example of it failing some activist... and even vault7 leaks showed no potent exploit of it | May 08 17:23 |
| chasecrum | wire or signal? | May 08 17:24 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: If you want something more free and federated, you can look at XMPP and Matrix. | May 08 17:24 |
| XRevan86 | I really like XMPP, and I even write this through XMPP :). | May 08 17:24 |
| chasecrum | I wante free as in free as in free - and secure | May 08 17:24 |
| MinceR | i liked xmpp until the second time i had to build up my roster from nothing because the first servers i used died | May 08 17:24 |
| MinceR | and then i realized even irc did this correctly, why can't xmpp? | May 08 17:25 |
| XRevan86 | One of the servers that provided E-Mail for me died some years ago. Good thing I ditched it. | May 08 17:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Because IRC has no roster whatsoever? | May 08 17:25 |
| MinceR | it's on the client side | May 08 17:26 |
| MinceR | presence notification is iffy, though | May 08 17:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Clients cache roster you know. | May 08 17:26 |
| MinceR | or if the ircd supports it, you can set /watch (or what it's called) every time you connect | May 08 17:26 |
| MinceR | with IRC my nick also survives server changes | May 08 17:26 |
| XRevan86 | If I open ~/.purple/blist.xml, I can see the whole thing. | May 08 17:26 |
| MinceR | and so does my NickServ account | May 08 17:26 |
| MinceR | with XMPP, i get a new JID every time and everyone on my roster gets to re-add me | May 08 17:27 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's not a server change, that's still a central thing called Freenode. | May 08 17:27 |
| XRevan86 | just clustered in a really interesting way | May 08 17:27 |
| MinceR | with many ircds that are independent of each other, yes | May 08 17:27 |
| MinceR | and there are better irc networks | May 08 17:27 |
| MinceR | and even matrix developers didn't learn from this | May 08 17:27 |
| chasecrum | I'm rapidly considering giving up my nick on IRC for the sake of privacy as well | May 08 17:27 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That works fine for groupchats | May 08 17:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But not for anything else. You need a presence on every network that you're joining. | May 08 17:28 |
| XRevan86 | It would be hell to have many contacts on many different servers with an IRC model. | May 08 17:29 |
| MinceR | IRC is far from an ideal IM system, but i'd have expected something that came well after it would do it better | May 08 17:29 |
| MinceR | and yet here we are | May 08 17:29 |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: seems like a common name | May 08 17:29 |
| schestowitz | (maybe not in tech) | May 08 17:29 |
| XRevan86 | Either you go the Signal route and centralise on one network, or you go the XMPP route and add interoperability. | May 08 17:29 |
| MinceR | or you could use p2p with DHT | May 08 17:29 |
| MinceR | like Tox | May 08 17:30 |
| chasecrum | chase crum is actually my real name - | May 08 17:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Or Jami, yea | May 08 17:30 |
| schestowitz | there are probably many people with the same name, inc. high profile ones | May 08 17:30 |
| MinceR | or Ricochet | May 08 17:30 |
| schestowitz | MinceR Lightbringer... only one such person | May 08 17:31 |
| MinceR | lol | May 08 17:31 |
| schestowitz | (I still don't know his real name) | May 08 17:31 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum, schestowitz: https://build.opensuse.org/users/chasecrum – definitely not anonymous :) | May 08 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-build.opensuse.org | Profile of chasecrum - openSUSE Build Service | May 08 17:32 | |
| *schestowitz imagines a very common Hungarian first name like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_names#Hungarian_given_names | May 08 17:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hungarian names - Wikipedia | May 08 17:32 | |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: our 'friend' Swap talks to "Melinda" | May 08 17:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SwapBhartiya/status/1258743315282964482 | May 08 17:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SwapBhartiya: .@melindagates should have given .@realDonaldTrump an 'F minus'. | May 08 17:33 | |
| schestowitz | he said he admires Microsoft | May 08 17:33 |
| oiaohm | Really signal is not that great when you are talking privacy due to having to register phone numbers. | May 08 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Zemlin lets him run linux.com on his own... after firing all the staff and editors | May 08 17:33 |
| MinceR | and getting rid of all non-corporate members | May 08 17:33 |
| oiaohm | Matrix, tox, jami... There are a lot of options where you don't have to register that information. | May 08 17:33 |
| MinceR | can't afford to let the community have a say in the kernel the community developed and which then the corporates robbed from the community | May 08 17:34 |
| oiaohm | Really over 90 percent of Linux kernel development is company funded. | May 08 17:34 |
| oiaohm | So its not really community. | May 08 17:34 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum, schestowitz: https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/chasecrum – almost forgot about this thing %)/ | May 08 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-connect.opensuse.org | openSUSE Connect: chasecrum | May 08 17:35 | |
| chasecrum | yeah - I'm not that anonymous using my real name - especially with a corporate presense - but like I said - the older I get... | May 08 17:35 |
| chasecrum | and who is swapnil? | May 08 17:35 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: What would be a good use for an RPi3? | May 08 17:36 |
| chasecrum | I have dozens of them and use them for all sorts of things | May 08 17:36 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: important consideration for people who worship money | May 08 17:36 |
| MinceR | i.e. not me. | May 08 17:36 |
| XRevan86 | I have one, I tried to use it as a media centre, but Kodi keeps hanging, so now I just don't know what to do with it. | May 08 17:36 |
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| chasecrum | my favorite is a SDR project that caputres ISS and satellite data when they fly over - but I'm into that kinda thing | May 08 17:37 |
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| chasecrum | SDR hobbies on pi is fairly inexpensive | May 08 17:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: also, these corporations clearly wish they could own Linux, yet they couldn't do it without the individuals who started it and kept it running | May 08 17:37 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: I see you have Twitter. Have you considered the Fediverse? | May 08 17:37 |
| MinceR | microshit could never develop a kernel worth using | May 08 17:37 |
| MinceR | neither could oracle or vmware | May 08 17:37 |
| MinceR | so instead they robbed the community of Linux | May 08 17:38 |
| chasecrum | I don't know what fediverse is - I'm just getting into my crotchety old man phase and linux purism - so I'm just now discovering a lot of these things | May 08 17:38 |
| chasecrum | I am plannig on dropping all social media (except MAYBE linkedin for work considerations) | May 08 17:38 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: A federated network of servers intended as a social network. | May 08 17:38 |
| kingoffrance | eh, its worse, i think "community" has been rebranded as "our corporate sponsors" :) | May 08 17:38 |
| kingoffrance | so there is a "community" just 1984ed | May 08 17:38 |
| kingoffrance | a community of non-people | May 08 17:39 |
| MinceR | the Linux-Destroying Foundation calls it "Corporate Members" | May 08 17:39 |
| chasecrum | nice | May 08 17:39 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: Connected via ActivityPub, OStatus or both. | May 08 17:39 |
| XRevan86 | I'm https://loadaverage.org/xrevan86, OStatus-only for now. | May 08 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Notices by Sorokin Alexei (xrevan86@loadaverage.org) - LoadAverage | May 08 17:39 | |
| MinceR | to distinguish it from individual members, who do not exist | May 08 17:39 |
| kingoffrance | lol | May 08 17:39 |
| chasecrum | I'm assuming that's decentralized? | May 08 17:40 |
| XRevan86 | Kind of a laughing stock at this point, but oh well, GNU social will get there, hopefully this summer. | May 08 17:40 |
| schestowitz | cursing like a loon https://twitter.com/SwapBhartiya/status/1258760214632939520 | May 08 17:40 |
| chasecrum | so will gnu/herd with that line of thinking | May 08 17:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SwapBhartiya: Hey @Twitter and @jack why the fuck do I get highlights from nazis like Steven in my mail? I don’t even know wh… https://t.co/0TprdEL9Z6 | May 08 17:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SwapBhartiya: Hey @Twitter and @jack why the fuck do I get highlights from nazis like Steven in my mail? I don’t even know wh… https://t.co/0TprdEL9Z6 | May 08 17:40 | |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: Federated, I'm subscribed to https://pleroma.site/schestowitz for one thing. | May 08 17:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | May 08 17:40 | |
| chasecrum | it's on my list of things to check out today | May 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: loadaverage still going? | May 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz | iirc gnusocial had some issue with fediverse | May 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz | and you protested | May 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz | chasecrum: don't bother too much | May 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | social control media is a waste of time | May 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | notifications you neither want nor need | May 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | abuse, mental clutter | May 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | it's all wrong as a comms modality | May 08 17:42 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's still going. GNU social's ActivityPub is in a beta phase, so not "production ready". | May 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | if you don't "do the social media game", then better not start | May 08 17:42 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: This summer's GSoC should revive the efforts to improve it. | May 08 17:43 |
| XRevan86 | I'm mentoring :) | May 08 17:44 |
| XRevan86 | But even after being in the network for 7 years, I'm still sharing most of my ideas, hopes, etc. in XMPP, IRC, etc. | May 08 17:45 |
| XRevan86 | discussing stuff | May 08 17:46 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/25/cf0edfa77af7f09e.jpg | May 08 17:47 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: So I don't have much to prove its worth, but you know, it exists :) | May 08 17:47 |
| scientes | MinceR, nice | May 08 17:48 |
| scientes | the lazy solutioin is better | May 08 17:48 |
| MinceR | it's certainly more robust | May 08 17:48 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Oh, and if you had gone with loadaverage.org and not gnusocial.de back then, you still would've had it :) | May 08 17:49 |
| chasecrum | these are all considerations I'm taking in with my pinephone testing | May 08 17:50 |
| scientes | you have a pinephone | May 08 17:50 |
| scientes | ? | May 08 17:50 |
| scientes | ool | May 08 17:50 |
| scientes | cool | May 08 17:50 |
| MinceR | does it run Maemo Leste yet? | May 08 17:50 |
| chasecrum | yeah I got one for testing | May 08 17:50 |
| chasecrum | idk | May 08 17:50 |
| scientes | needs software work most of all however | May 08 17:50 |
| XRevan86 | (13:58:04) sebsebseb: MinceR: oiaohm yep I got a pine phone developers edition too | May 08 17:51 |
| scientes | not that high of a bar considering that android can't even offload onto SD properly however | May 08 17:51 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: I have been waiting for the software to mature. | May 08 17:51 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Did something other than Sailfish mature? | May 08 17:54 |
| schestowitz | SailfishOS UI free/libre already? | May 08 17:55 |
| schestowitz | or is that OS still iffy licensing-wise? | May 08 17:55 |
| schestowitz | also, can pureos be put on fairphones and pinephones? | May 08 17:55 |
| chasecrum | alright I've gotta deep dive back into some work - I'll be back later today | May 08 17:56 |
| chasecrum | thanks for the answers today | May 08 17:56 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: Manjaro and UBports are getting really close to mature. Its the mainlining of drivers and other things I have been waiting on as well. | May 08 18:01 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: SailfishOS has always been a open source core so the UI with some addeds that are not. | May 08 18:02 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I am not sure… | May 08 18:04 |
| XRevan86 | Probably still. | May 08 18:04 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I've seen Ubuntu Touch in the earlier days and found it to be quite unpleasant. | May 08 18:05 |
| XRevan86 | I guess it's relative. | May 08 18:05 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://forums.puri.sm/t/successful-installation-of-pureos-on-pinephone/8741 some parties have got pureos to work on pinephone but this is not straight forwards or safe particuarly. | May 08 18:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.puri.sm | [Successful] installation of PureOS on PinePhone - PureOS - Purism community | May 08 18:06 | |
| oiaohm | Pinephone 2G of memory and pureos is designed for hardware setup where you have 4GF | May 08 18:06 |
| MinceR | pureos comes with gnome, so i'll pass | May 08 18:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You use Android | May 08 18:07 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: 4GB? | May 08 18:08 |
| MinceR | even android is a better OS than Gnome OS | May 08 18:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Have some perspective %) | May 08 18:08 |
| MinceR | pureos also comes with cancerd, which is not surprising, given that it comes with gnome | May 08 18:08 |
| schestowitz | [18:07] <MinceR> pureos comes with gnome | May 08 18:08 |
| schestowitz | that's what she said | May 08 18:08 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: opps librem-5 specs is 3GB | May 08 18:09 |
| schestowitz | too much | May 08 18:09 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: its still more memory than the hardware has. | May 08 18:09 |
| oiaohm | when you put it on pinephone. | May 08 18:09 |
| MinceR | plus my LG V50 ThinQ has better specs than anything that runs pureos | May 08 18:09 |
| MinceR | by far | May 08 18:09 |
| schestowitz | PurrOS for cats | May 08 18:10 |
| schestowitz | big buttons | May 08 18:10 |
| schestowitz | for big paws | May 08 18:10 |
| MinceR | maine coon? | May 08 18:11 |
| schestowitz | no | May 08 18:11 |
| schestowitz | too much furr | May 08 18:11 |
| schestowitz | furrrrr... | May 08 18:11 |
| schestowitz | they use straw as an interface | May 08 18:11 |
| schestowitz | like computer users who lack limbs... and voice | May 08 18:12 |
| schestowitz | meow are not expressive enough | May 08 18:12 |
| MinceR | lynx? | May 08 18:12 |
| schestowitz | is it still maintained? ;-) | May 08 18:12 |
| MinceR | :> | May 08 18:13 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.bushtracks.com/destinations-and-trips/destination/purros | May 08 18:14 |
| XRevan86 | https://invisible-mirror.net/archives/lynx/tarballs/?C=M;O=D yes, it is | May 08 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bushtracks.com | Purros, Namibia Safari | May 08 18:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invisible-mirror.net | Index of /archives/lynx/tarballs | May 08 18:14 | |
| *XRevan86 didn't point to the main site to spare your eyes | May 08 18:14 | |
| XRevan86 | * to the main page | May 08 18:14 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: did you just 'google' it? | May 08 18:15 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I just googled now but I had to help a person do up a photobook who had been there. | May 08 18:15 |
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| kingoffrance | you crazy people, cats do shorthand | May 08 18:28 |
| kingoffrance | this is well known | May 08 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | cats are vicious creatures, monsters with no table manners ;-) | May 08 18:52 |
| schestowitz | (nor tables) | May 08 18:52 |
| schestowitz | DROP TABLE | May 08 18:52 |
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