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● Jul 08
[00:07]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, Jobs and Gates remind me of the saying that "Truly successful parasites make it seem as though they're doing something useful for their host.".
[00:08]	MinceR	:>
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[00:08]	DaemonFC	I can see why other Microsoft execs were happy enough to keep paying Bill even as he showed up for maybe an hour a day and then went to crush pussy behind MALINDA's back.
[00:08]	DaemonFC	They were probably content with just having him not be there with them.
[00:09]	DaemonFC	This sort of corporate culter is "big and professional" and all the perverts are in open source according to Mr. Garrett.
[00:09]	DaemonFC	*culture
[00:09]	DaemonFC	Culter?
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[00:13]	psydruid	Cutler's culture
[00:13]	psydruid	made possible by cutlery
[00:19]	schestowitz	apologhttps://nitter.actionsack.com/jrbrtson/status/1412905529576407056#m
[00:32]	schestowitz	https://nitter.actionsack.com/jrbrtson/status/1412905529576407056#m
[00:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.actionsack.com | James Robertson (@jrbrtson): "" | nitter
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[00:44]	techrights-news	Among 43 New Judgments From #ILOAT , Which Oversees Dozens of Institutions, 25 (More Than 58%) Concern the EPOs Staff http://techrights.org/2021/07/07/ilo-at-epo-caseload/ #ilo #epo #corruption #europe
[00:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Among 43 New Judgments From ILO-AT, Which Oversees Dozens of Institutions, 25 (More Than 58%) Concern the EPOs Staff | Techrights
[00:53]	techrights-news	So-called #linuxfoundation does not know #gnu #linux OS actually started in 1983. https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/the-linux-foundation-announces-30th-anniversary-of-linux-t-shirt-design-contest/
[00:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | The Linux Foundation Announces 30th Anniversary of Linux T-Shirt Design Contest - Linux Foundation
[00:55]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, I'm actually fairly disturbed by the dehaminizing of the hiring process at more places.
[00:55]	DaemonFC	People shouldn't be punished for something forever.
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[00:55]	DaemonFC	I think that these companies should be sued by people for non-compliance with ban the box laws.
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[00:56]	DaemonFC	People need to be considered on a case by case basis, which is impossible without a person in charge of hiring.
[00:56]	techrights-news	#rustlang is being pushed into #linux not because it's good but because of monopolistic corporate #lobbying for a shotgun wedding. #mozilla is power play or proxy for Google. Overlapping interests with #microsoft #github (anti-GPL ploy).
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● Jul 08
[01:01]	uncensored/fn	I agree with techrights-bot
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[01:05]	techrights-news	#Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153143 #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[01:06]	techrights-news	Audiocasts/Shows: Noodlings, FLOSS Weekly, and Linux in the Ham Shack http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153144 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Noodlings, FLOSS Weekly, and Linux in the Ham Shack | Tux Machines
[01:06]	techrights-news	#Openwashing and Revisionism by #LinuxFoundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153145 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Openwashing and Revisionism by Linux Foundation | Tux Machines
[01:08]	techrights-news	Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153146 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[01:09]	uncensored/fn	too much spam here
[01:09]	techrights-news	#F2FS Brings Compression Improvements To Linux 5.14 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=F2FS-Linux-5.14 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/08/#latest
[01:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-F2FS Brings Compression Improvements To Linux 5.14 - Phoronix
[01:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
[01:09]	schestowitz	define spam
[01:11]	uncensored/fn	difficult to read....at least on kiwi irc
[01:11]	techrights-news	Google pauses Chrome OS update, breaks #GNU #Linux container https://chromeunboxed.com/google-pauses-chrome-os-update-breaks-linux-container/ just delete #chromeOS and install something NOT remotely controlled by Pentagon Valley
[01:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chromeunboxed.com | Google pauses Chrome OS update, breaks Linux container
[01:11]	uncensored/fn	conversation means interaction
[01:11]	schestowitz	we interaqct also
[01:11]	XRevan86	At least we're not using the freenode definition of spam :)
[01:12]	uncensored/fn	that is much better than many links unrelated to the conversation
[01:12]	schestowitz	sometimes there is calm and quiet, but news goes on
[01:12]	XRevan86	schestowitz: I actually don't remember if the Putin's chef in particular does.
[01:12]	uncensored/fn	good XRevan86
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[01:13]	uncensored/fn	schestowitz: news is what the media decide
[01:14]	uncensored/fn	so it depends on who is the media
[01:14]	techrights-news	boycott #clownflare ... those digital gangsters are used to force people to get a tracking device ('mobile' 'phone')... for fake 'security' like #2FA ... #clownflare is a threat to human rights. They ought not exist on the Web.
[01:14]	uncensored/fn	what we speak is better news
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[01:15]	uncensored/fn	I agree to boycott cloudflare
[01:15]	schestowitz	we can do both
[01:15]	schestowitz	I mean, news and chat
[01:15]	uncensored/fn	does kiwi irc on freenode use cloudflare?
[01:15]	schestowitz	the interactions help inspire articles, too
[01:15]	schestowitz	the freenode site uses clownflare
[01:16]	uncensored/fn	the bot can check the chat and post based on what is spoken
[01:16]	XRevan86	I think freenode can start eating babies and it will not affect anything at this point.
[01:17]	uncensored/fn	how about libera? do they use cloudflare?
[01:17]	techrights-news	Weve lost track of all the times #Microsoft got caught red-handed with #GPLviolations (this has gone on for well over a decade) http://techrights.org/2021/07/07/yet-another-but-very-colossal-gpl-violation-by-microsoft/ #Techrights #GNU # #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/07/yet-another-but-very-colossal-gpl-violation-by-microsoft/
[01:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Yet Another (But Very Colossal) GPL Violation by Microsoft | Techrights
[01:17]	XRevan86	uncensored: yes
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[01:18]	XRevan86	Libera and freenode both have webchat behind Cloudflare.
[01:18]	techrights-news	The Staff Union of the #EPO ( #SUEPO ) shows the chaotic effect of a truly dysfunctional and corrupt Office management; #ILO s Administrative Tribunal ( #ILOAT ) can barely keep up with the caseload http://techrights.org/2021/07/07/ilo-at-epo-caseload/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/07/ilo-at-epo-caseload/
[01:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Among 43 New Judgments From ILO-AT, Which Oversees Dozens of Institutions, 25 (More Than 58%) Concern the EPOs Staff | Techrights
[01:19]	uncensored/fn	is there a real user-respecting network?
[01:19]	schestowitz	define user-respecting
[01:19]	schestowitz	people may think they need to gag people to respect others
[01:19]	schestowitz	CoC is one example
[01:20]	uncensored/fn	is xmpp the only user-respecting network?
[01:20]	schestowitz	is it a network?
[01:20]	uncensored/fn	CoC is imposition, not respect
[01:20]	schestowitz	you can self-host IRC as we do
[01:21]	schestowitz	we use irc.techrights.org
[01:21]	uncensored/fn	it is a protocol to build a network
[01:21]	XRevan86	it's a federated network, so in a sense
[01:21]	uncensored/fn	true
[01:21]	schestowitz	cisco
[01:21]	uncensored/fn	just like irc
[01:21]	XRevan86	The MUCs aren't all that federated though in XMPP.
[01:21]	uncensored/fn	what does cisco have to do?
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[01:22]	XRevan86	Cisco Jabber maybe? No one cares about that though.
[01:22]	uncensored/fn	oh
[01:22]	uncensored/fn	What I mean by respect is not forcing anyone a certain behaviour
[01:23]	XRevan86	uncensored: Well, the Cloudflare thing is not all that important, as the official webchat is not all that important.
[01:24]	XRevan86	the actual IRC connections are made with direct TCP/TLS
[01:25]	uncensored/fn	I believe official tools should be user-respecting (no cloudflare or any other user abuse)
[01:29]	XRevan86	uncensored: I can see your point, but, at the same time, it's just too easy to use a different tool.
[01:32]	uncensored/fn	XRevan86 not for all users. For example, I cannot enter freenode from my client only from kiwi irc if I am not registered
[01:33]	uncensored/fn	XRevan86 not for all users. For example, I cannot enter freenode from my client. Only from kiwi irc if I am not registered
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[01:46]	techrights-news	[Meme] $ProprietarySoftware Helps You Violate the #GPL http://techrights.org/2021/07/07/gpl-violations-hub/ #Techrights #GNU #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/07/gpl-violations-hub/
[01:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Proprietary Software Helps You Violate the GPL | Techrights
[01:50]	techrights-news	People everywhere need to quit helping digital mobsters who call reciprocal #sharing of code (GPL) "CANCER" and call hobbyists (i.e. not corporations, monopolies) "pirates". The sooner, the better. #deletegithub
[01:54]	uncensored/fn	what is SFC?
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[01:56]	uncensored/fn	oh! conservancy: the hideous bradley
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[01:56]	uncensored/fn	kuhn
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[02:25]	XRevan86	https://arstechnica.com/?p=1778734
[02:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Microsofts emergency patch fails to fix critical PrintNightmare vulnerability | Ars Technica
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[05:32]	activelow	https://www.politico.eu/article/european-parliament-platforms-child-sexual-abuse-reporting-law/
[05:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politico.eu | EU Parliament lets companies look for child abuse on their platforms, with reservations POLITICO
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[05:35]	activelow	^ a majority of cases involve the close social surrounding of family, sports clubs and school where policy implemented first could effectively protect children, regardless of any online mass surveillance at all
[05:35]	activelow	https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/10/orders-top-eus-timetable-dismantling-end-end-encryption
[05:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Orders from the Top: The EUs Timetable for Dismantling End-to-End Encryption | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[05:37]	activelow	my interpretation of the events: most online social control media already do operate in severe violation of constitutional rights (protection of privacy, secrecy of post and telecommunications)
[05:39]	activelow	certainly the recent proposals of EU will "legalize" unconstitutional operation of social control media, and mass surveillance won't prevent crime or protect children either
[05:39]	kingoffrance	quote: While conceding that the weakening of encryption by any means (including backdoors) is not a desirable option, the Presidencys note also positively quoted an EU Counter-Terrorism Coordinator (CTC) paper from May (obtained and made available by German digital rights news site NetzPolitik.org), which calls for what it calls a front-door
[05:40]	kingoffrance	well that sounds like us, its just word games. its not a backdoor, its a front door
[05:40]	kingoffrance	*u.s.
[05:40]	kingoffrance	 legal framework that would allow lawful access to encrypted data for law enforcement without dictating technical solutions for providers and technology companies.
[05:40]	kingoffrance	what does that mean? buggy hardware?
[05:41]	kingoffrance	"without dictating technical solutions"
[05:41]	kingoffrance	seems to claim to do the impossible
[05:41]	kingoffrance	dictate a frontdoor without dictating it
[05:42]	activelow	if government intended to protect children and youth then policies had to be implemented in the social surrounding of children: schools, sports clubs, relatives, youth welfare offices, social workers
[05:42]	hgc	think id rather just have the terrorism
[05:43]	activelow	reminder: mass surveillance didn't prevent terrorism often either, many perpetrators were known to police even before these took action
[05:44]	kingoffrance	i discovered the term "chesterton's fence" the other day  https://fs.blog/2020/03/chestertons-fence/
[05:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fs.blog | Chestertons Fence: A Lesson in Second Order Thinking
[05:45]	kingoffrance	besides implying there might be "unintended consequences" i would stretch a bit and say: if they have to come up with word games like "front door" rejecting it on those grounds is sufficient IMO
[05:45]	kingoffrance	i would say there is a bit of a parallel
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[05:46]	activelow	furthermore technical equipment is equipped with dozens of surveillance bugs already
[05:47]	kingoffrance	quote : Learn how it works, and then propose your change.
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[06:04]	activelow	"With most .. abuse done through encrypted communications on apps like WhatsApp and Telegram" -> FAKE NEWS. most abuse occurs in close social surrounding, not on whatsapp or facebook.
[06:09]	activelow	to legalize unconstitutional social control media mass surveillance "537 MEPs voted in favor of the bill, with 133 against and 24 abstaining"
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[07:53]	techrights-news	#Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, July 07, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[07:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives
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[07:53]	techrights-news	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[07:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index
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[08:05]	techrights-news	#ACPI CPPC CPUFreq Will Try Frequency Invariance Again For Linux 5.14 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ACPI-CPPC-Freq-Invariance-5.14 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/08/#latest
[08:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ACPI CPPC CPUFreq Will Try Frequency Invariance Again For Linux 5.14 - Phoronix
[08:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
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[08:14]	techrights-news	#MyGNUHealth 1.0.1 is out! http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10022 #gnu #freesw
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[08:16]	techrights-news	Outsourcing to #google = surrender https://iranzo.io/blog/2021/07/07/imapfilter-for-gmail/ #surveillance #clownComputing #Espionage
[08:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iranzo.io | imapfilter forGmail Pablo Iranzo Gmez's blog
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[08:18]	techrights-news	Become unpaid #kernel tester for #ibm https://fedoramagazine.org/contribute-to-fedora-linux-kernel-5-13-test-week/ #linux
[08:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | Contribute to Fedora Linux Kernel 5.13 Test Week - Fedora Magazine
[08:20]	techrights-news	#ArcoLinux 21.07.3 has been released. https://arcolinux.com/ #gnu #linux
[08:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ArcoLinux | ArcoLinux
[08:21]	techrights-news	#ProprietarySoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153147 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[08:22]	techrights-news	 #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, July 07, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/07/08/irc-log-070721/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/08/irc-log-070721/
[08:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, July 07, 2021 | Techrights
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[08:24]	techrights-news	Some 5.13 development statistics https://lwn.net/Articles/860989/ #kernel #linux
[08:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Some 5.13 development statistics [LWN.net]
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[08:29]	techrights-news	'Dumb' is better a lot of the time https://lwn.net/Articles/861235/
[08:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An unpleasant surprise for My Book Live owners [LWN.net]
[08:30]	techrights-news	#google funded #mozilla does not do "public good" https://lwn.net/Articles/861379/
[08:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla Rally: trading privacy for the "public good" [LWN.net]
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[08:32]	techrights-news	Mozilla: "Tell you what: You can now make our browser give your data to _other_ actors who won't abuse or lose your data, pinky promise!" https://lwn.net/Articles/861379/
[08:34]	techrights-news	#mozilla CANNOT be trusted http://techrights.org/2021/07/07/mozilla-data-stewardship-slant/
[08:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Does Not Respect Your Privacy | Techrights
[08:35]	techrights-news	#ProprietarySoftware https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/microsofts-emergency-patch-fails-to-fix-critical-printnightmare-vulnerability/
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[08:38]	techrights-news	#BSDNow 410: #OpenBSD Consumer Gateway https://www.bsdnow.tv/410 #unix #bsd
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[08:39]	techrights-news	#Kernel: LWN Articles, New in Linux, Fedora Tests Latest, and Google Breaks Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153148 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: LWN Articles, New in Linux, Fedora Tests Latest, and Google Breaks 'Linux' | Tux Machines
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[08:42]	techrights-news	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153149 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[08:45]	techrights-news	Design and Web team summary 2 July 2021 https://ubuntu.com//blog/design-and-web-team-summary-2-july-2021 #ubuntu #gnu #linux
[08:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Design and Web team summary 2 July 2021 | Ubuntu
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[08:46]	techrights-news	#ibm : STOP SAYING "SLAVE"!!!! Also IBM: say SERVANT https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/7/servant-leadership-5-elements
[08:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | 5 elements of servant leadership | The Enterprisers Project
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[08:54]	techrights-news	 NEWS #uniToronto #kernel #linux The initramfs for old kernels can hide old versions of things https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/InitramfsHidesOldThings
[08:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/InitramfsHidesOldThings
[08:56]	techrights-news	#Telecom Watchdog asks DoT to stop #OneWeb , #Starlink and Amazon from getting free 5G spectrum through backdoor https://telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/telecom-watchdog-asks-dot-to-stop-oneweb-starlink-and-amazon-from-getting-free-5g-spectrum-through-backdoor/84170374
[08:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com | OneWeb: Telecom Watchdog asks DoT to stop OneWeb, Starlink and Amazon from getting free 5G spectrum through backdoor, Telecom News, ET Telecom
[08:57]	techrights-news	 NEWS #DataSwamp Track changes in /etc with etckeeper https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-07-06-etckeeper.html
[08:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dataswamp.org | Solene'% : Track changes in /etc with etckeeper
[08:58]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Games Indonesia Minister calls for Fortnite ban over user-generated content https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2021-07-07-indonesia-minister-calls-for-fortnite-ban-over-user-generated-content
[08:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Indonesia Minister calls for Fortnite ban over user-generated content | GamesIndustry.biz
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[09:00]	techrights-news	"breakout rooms in a BigBlueButton virtual classroom can be used to split groups and help online students engage in effective discussion." https://www.timeshighereducation.com/campus/turning-new-page-information-literacy-goes-online
[09:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | Turning a new page: information literacy goes online | THE Campus Learn, Share, Connect
[09:01]	techrights-news	 [Old] #USAF #myLearning digital platform expands courseware; announces new features https://www.amc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2660167/mylearning-digital-platform-expands-courseware-announces-new-features/
[09:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amc.af.mil | myLearning digital platform expands courseware; announces new features > Air Mobility Command > Article Display
[09:01]	techrights-news	 NEWS #BigBlueButton Connecting with Students in the Virtual Classroom https://bigbluebutton.org/2021/07/05/connecting-with-students-in-the-virtual-classroom/
[09:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bigbluebutton.org | Connecting with Students in the Virtual Classroom - BigBlueButton - Open Source Web Conferencing
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[09:02]	techrights-news	#Server and #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153150 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[09:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Server and Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[09:03]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Gfinity #Science #china #cn Chinas Zuchongzhi Quantum Computer is the most powerful in the world https://stealthoptional.com/news/chinas-zuchongzhi-quantum-computer-is-the-most-powerful-in-the-world/
[09:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stealthoptional.com | China's Zuchongzhi Quantum Computer is the most powerful in the world
[09:03]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Samsung #Hardware Samsung Electronics Adopts International Open Source Standard https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-electronics-adopts-international-open-source-standard
[09:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.samsung.com | Samsung Electronics Adopts International Open Source Standard Samsung Global Newsroom
[09:04]	techrights-news	 NEWS #9to5Mac #Hardware Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak stands up for right-to-repair, argues company built on open source https://9to5mac.com/2021/07/07/apple-co-founder-steve-wozniak-stands-up-for-right-to-repair-argues-company-built-on-open-source/
[09:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak stands up for right-to-repair, argues company built on open source - 9to5Mac
[09:05]	techrights-news	 NEWS #DontExtraditeAssange #assange #wikileaks #uk High Court gives US government limited permission to appeal January decision that Assange should not be extradited https://dontextraditeassange.com/press-clip/high-court-gives-us-government-limited-permission-to-appeal-january-decision-that-assange-should-not-be-extradited/
[09:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontextraditeassange.com | High Court gives US government limited permission to appeal January decision that Assange should not be extradited - Don't Extradite Assange
[09:06]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CommonDreams #assange #wikileaks #UK High Court Grants US Permission for Appeal in Assange Extradition Case https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/07/uk-high-court-grants-us-permission-appeal-assange-extradition-case
[09:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | UK High Court Grants US Permission for Appeal in Assange Extradition Case | Common Dreams News
[09:06]	techrights-news	"When the Trump administration indicted WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange under the infamous 1917 Espionage Act, journalists and other public figures sounded the alarms" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/07/07/trump-started-war-journalism-bidens-justice-department-has-yet-end-it
[09:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Trump Started a War on Journalism. Biden's Justice Department Has Yet to End It | Mark Weisbrot
[09:07]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Shadowproof #wikileaks #assange Assange Extradition: British High Court Grants US A Limited Appeal https://shadowproof.com/2021/07/07/assange-extradition-high-court-us-limited-appeal/
[09:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-shadowproof.com | Assange Extradition: High Court Grants US A Limited Appeal
[09:08]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Movie Companies Want U.S. Internet Provider 'Frontier' to Block Pirate Sites https://torrentfreak.com/movie-companies-want-u-s-internet-provider-frontier-to-block-pirate-sites-210707/
[09:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Movie Companies Want U.S. Internet Provider 'Frontier' to Block Pirate Sites * TorrentFreak
[09:08]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Hollyood & #Netflix Sue Repeat Pirate #IPTV Operator For Massive Copyright Infringement https://torrentfreak.com/hollyood-netflix-sue-repeat-pirate-iptv-operator-for-massive-copyright-infringement-210707/
[09:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hollyood & Netflix Sue Repeat Pirate IPTV Operator For Massive Copyright Infringement * TorrentFreak
[09:08]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CounterPunch #assange #wikileaks Thordarsons Fabrications: Another Hole in the Julian Assange Prosecution https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/07/07/thordarsons-fabrications-another-hole-in-the-julian-assange-prosecution/
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[09:10]	techrights-news	 NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux HIIT Pi makes Raspberry Pi your home workout buddy https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/hiit-pi-makes-raspberry-pi-your-home-workout-buddy/
[09:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | HIIT Pi makes Raspberry Pi your home workout buddy - Raspberry Pi
[09:12]	techrights-news	 NEWS #SanFanciscoChronicle #wikileaks When it comes to whistle-blowers like Julian #Assange, Biden's actions look a lot like Trump's https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Biden-doesn-t-look-so-different-from-other-16296772.php
[09:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sfchronicle.com | When it comes to whistle-blowers like Julian Assange, Biden's actions look a lot like Trump's
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[09:15]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Tor New Release: #TorBrowser 10.5.1 (Android Only) https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-1051
[09:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | New Release: Tor Browser 10.5.1 (Android Only) | Tor Blog
[09:16]	techrights-news	 NEWS #EFF #Privacy Improving Enforcement in State Consumer Privacy Laws https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/07/improving-enforcement-state-consumer-privacy-laws
[09:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Improving Enforcement in State Consumer Privacy Laws | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[09:17]	techrights-news	EFF works for rich people like Mark Cuban and others https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-gets-300000-boost-craig-newmark-philanthropies-protect-journalists-and-fight
[09:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | EFF Gets $300,000 Boost from Craig Newmark Philanthropies to Protect Journalists and Fight Consumer Spyware | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[09:17]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TheHill #Monopolies 36 states, DC sue Google, alleging antitrust violations in app store https://thehill.com/policy/technology/561961-36-states-dc-sue-google-over-antitrust-violations-in-app-store
[09:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-36 states, DC sue Google, alleging antitrust violations in app store | TheHill
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[09:19]	techrights-news	 NEWS #SCMP #Censorship #Fortnite faces ban in #Indonesia after minister brands it blasphemous to Muslims https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3140205/fortnite-faces-ban-indonesia-after-minister-brands-it
[09:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scmp.com | Fortnite faces ban in Indonesia after minister brands it blasphemous to Muslims | South China Morning Post
[09:20]	techrights-news	 NEWS #NBC #Misinformation #Disinformation YouTube's recommendations still push harmful videos, crowdsourced study finds https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/youtubes-recommendations-still-push-harmful-videos-crowdsourced-study-rcna1355
[09:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | YouTube's recommendations still push harmful videos, crowdsourced study finds
[09:21]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Quillette #Misinformation #Disinformation Looking for #COVID19 Miracle Drugs? We Already Have Them. Theyre Called Vaccines https://quillette.com/2021/07/06/looking-for-covid-19-miracle-drugs-we-already-have-them-theyre-called-vaccines/
[09:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Looking for COVID-19 Miracle Drugs? We Already Have Them. Theyre Called Vaccines Quillette
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[09:35]	leah	schestowitz: check PM
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[10:15]	techrights-news	 NEWS #BruceSchneier #ProprietarySoftware Insurance and Ransomware https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/07/insurance-and-ransomware.html
[10:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Insurance and Ransomware - Schneier on Security
[10:15]	techrights-news	#MMicrosoft #Windows TCO: Number of victims in major ransomware attack still unclear https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/number-of-victims-in-major-ransomware-attack-still-unclear/84195303
[10:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Number of victims in major ransomware attack still unclear, IT News, ET CIO
[10:17]	techrights-news	 NEWS #KrebsOnSecurity #Microsoft Issues Emergency Patch for #Windows Flaw https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/07/microsoft-issues-emergency-patch-for-windows-flaw/ insecure by design http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA
[10:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Microsoft Issues Emergency Patch for Windows Flaw Krebs on Security
[10:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights
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[10:21]	techrights-news	 NEWS #EDRI #Surveillance #Privacy New EDRi report reveals depths of biometric mass surveillance in Germany, the Netherlands and Poland https://edri.org/our-work/new-edri-report-reveals-depths-of-biometric-mass-surveillance-in-germany-the-netherlands-and-poland/
[10:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edri.org | New EDRi report reveals depths of biometric mass surveillance in Germany, the Netherlands and Poland - European Digital Rights (EDRi)
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[10:23]	techrights-news	 NEWS #PatrickBreyer #Surveillance #Privacy CHATCONTROL: European Parliament Approves Mass Surveillance Of Private Communications https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/chatcontrol-european-parliament-approves-mass-surveillance-of-private-communications/
[10:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patrick-breyer.de | Chatcontrol: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communications Patrick Breyer
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[10:44]	techrights-news	 NEWS #BBC #Politics #China divided as #WeChat deletes #LGBT accounts from platform https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-57759480
[10:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | China divided as WeChat deletes LGBT accounts from platform - BBC News
[10:44]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Bloomberg #Politics #Wharton Grad Set to Take on Big Tech as New India Minister https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-08/wharton-grad-set-to-take-on-big-tech-as-new-india-minister
[10:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
[10:53]	techrights-news	#audacity situation not good. https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/audacity-privacy-policy-is-a-privacy:7
[10:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Audacity Privacy Policy Is A Privacy Nightmare!
[10:57]	schestowitz	"However, the most pressing challenge currently facing the
[10:57]	schestowitz	industry is ransomware. Although it is a societal problem, cyber
[10:57]	schestowitz	insurers have received considerable criticism for facilitating
[10:57]	schestowitz	ransom payments to cybercriminals. These add fuel to the fire
[10:57]	schestowitz	by incentivising cybercriminals engagement in ransomware
[10:57]	schestowitz	operations and enabling existing operators to invest in and
[10:57]	schestowitz	expand their capabilities. Growing losses from ransomware attacks
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[10:57]	schestowitz	have also emphasised that the current reality is not sustainable
[10:57]	schestowitz	for insurers either." 
[10:57]	schestowitz	https://static.rusi.org/247-op-cyber-insurance-v2.pdf
[10:59]	techrights-news	#twitter censors for #billgates while taking money from Bill Gates http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/
[10:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reality is Warped When You Pay for Perception Management (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | Techrights
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[11:03]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt #Copyrights #Copyright After All That, #Nintendo Can't Even Get $50 A Month Out Of #RomUniverse https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210707/10163247125/after-all-that-nintendo-cant-even-get-50-month-out-romuniverse.shtml
[11:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After All That, Nintendo Can't Even Get $50 A Month Out Of RomUniverse | Techdirt
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[11:16]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt #FourthCircuit Appeals Court Says Right To Access Court Documents Begins When The Documents Are Filed https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210627/19032347073/fourth-circuit-appeals-court-says-right-to-access-court-documents-begins-when-documents-are-filed.shtml
[11:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fourth Circuit Appeals Court Says Right To Access Court Documents Begins When The Documents Are Filed | Techdirt
[11:18]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CommonDreams #Google 37 AGs Hit Google, 'Gatekeeper of Our Digital Devices,' With New #Antitrust Lawsuit https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/07/37-ags-hit-google-gatekeeper-our-digital-devices-new-antitrust-lawsuit but don't forget the worse one, #microsoft http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/
[11:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 37 AGs Hit Google, 'Gatekeeper of Our Digital Devices,' With New Antitrust Lawsuit | Common Dreams News
[11:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights
[11:20]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt # It Can Always Get Dumber: Trump Sues Facebook, Twitter & YouTube, Claiming His Own Government Violated The Constitution https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210707/09580147124/it-can-always-get-dumber-trump-sues-facebook-twitter-youtube-claiming-his-own-government-violated-constitution.shtml
[11:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It Can Always Get Dumber: Trump Sues Facebook, Twitter & YouTube, Claiming His Own Government Violated The Constitution | Techdirt
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[11:22]	techrights-news	Even in #socialcontrolmedia -- not just the general media -- #billgates deplatforms his critics using bribes http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/ more examples in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique
[11:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights
[11:23]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt #Biden Executive Order Will Try To Address Some #RightToRepair Harms https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210706/08084747119/biden-executive-order-will-try-to-address-some-right-to-repair-harms.shtml
[11:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Biden Executive Order Will Try To Address Some 'Right To Repair' Harms | Techdirt
[11:24]	activelow	"we are sorry to inform you that your qualification does not match the position's clearly specified criteria" -> "java c# php web expert"
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[11:25]	activelow	had coded with Java EE spring framework several years, grade A in database lectures, studied or worked with oracle rdbms, ms sqlserver, and some of the other free ones, big project with NoSQL included
[11:26]	activelow	"does not match the position's criteria"
[11:28]	schestowitz	c# lol
[11:28]	activelow	seems to be one of the bigger suppliers in german industry: https://quanos-service-solutions.com/en/references/customers
[11:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-quanos-service-solutions.com | Customer list of Quanos
[11:28]	schestowitz	no loss
[11:28]	schestowitz	I guess they run that on Windos
[11:28]	schestowitz	which means poor engineering standards
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[11:33]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CommonDreams Assassins of #Haiti President Jovenel Mose Reportedly Posed as US Agents https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/07/assassins-haiti-president-jovenel-moise-reportedly-posed-us-agents http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/regime-change-in-haiti/
[11:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Assassins of Haiti President Jovenel Mose Reportedly Posed as US Agents | Common Dreams News
[11:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Chairman of the Board of Red Hat Explains He Was Introduced to GNU/Linux When It Helped His Regime Change in Haiti | Techrights
[11:33]	activelow	c# was designed and implemented by credible experts, and ms invested alot of cash into it
[11:34]	activelow	i lost interest in c# when i verified mono .net implementation on linux which didn't support at least .net 2.0 feature set and library (such as data sets which are bad design but practical nonetheless for some RAD style development)
[11:35]	schestowitz	mono is an attack on us
[11:35]	activelow	then little later ms decied to not support any later .net version on windows xp, which was the last tiem when i ever considered microsoft to do some professional work
[11:35]	techrights-news	Some criminals just bribe #twitter and #facebok to tolerate and even do #reputationlaundering for them http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/
[11:35]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Mono
[11:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mono - Techrights
[11:36]	activelow	schestowitz: as i tried to explain i had approached .net only because i didn't know microsoft products (16 years ago), and was mostly neutral towards any vendor involved
[11:38]	activelow	i've had enought of .net more than a decade ago, and java wasn't alot better either, wouldn't want to touch spring framework or JEE egain
[11:38]	activelow	again
[11:39]	schestowitz	what works better for you?
[11:39]	activelow	i don't see any benefit of Java or C# over Perl any more
[11:42]	activelow	one of the most ridiculous projects was the implementation of some "email marketing" software for German Railway (DB Schenker), who insisted on some web gui html templating to send emails with
[11:43]	schestowitz	 "email marketing"
[11:43]	schestowitz	I know a word for it
[11:43]	activelow	the development efforts of several years were insane, with bad results, which i could have accomplished with some templating and perl scripts in a few days or weeks
[11:44]	activelow	besides i wondered why noone in german railway IT departements remembered NNTP protocol anymore
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[11:44]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt #FBI Cites Guidelines That Don't Actually Forbid #SociaControlMedia Monitoring As The Reason It Was Blindsided By The January 6 Attack https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210703/17104647111/fbi-cites-guidelines-that-dont-actually-forbid-social-media-monitoring-as-reason-it-was-blindsided-january-6-attack.shtml
[11:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FBI Cites Guidelines That Don't Actually Forbid Social Media Monitoring As The Reason It Was Blindsided By The January 6 Attack | Techdirt
[11:45]	techrights-news	I support privacy, but... I support free speech, but... I support the right to assemble, but...
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[12:21]	schestowitz	they need NTP
[12:22]	schestowitz	hard to see how rail systems would benefit from NNTP
[12:22]	schestowitz	https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-s-world-only-his-speech-free-n1273297
[12:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | In Trump's world, only his speech is free
[12:22]	gerikson	NNTP is obsolete 
[12:22]	schestowitz	https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-politics/trump-sues-twitter-facebook-and-google-claiming-censorship
[12:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Trump Sues Twitter, Facebook and Google, Claiming Censorship | Voice of America - English
[12:22]	schestowitz	https://www.businesstoday.in/technology/news/story/donald-trump-sues-facebook-twitter-google-cites-unlawful-censorship-300746-2021-07-08
[12:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesstoday.in | Donald Trump sues Facebook, Twitter, Google; cites unlawful censorship - BusinessToday
[12:22]	schestowitz	https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/7/22566729/trump-lawsuit-facebook-twitter-google-social-media-censorship
[12:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Donald Trump files sweeping, nonsensical lawsuits against Facebook, Twitter, and Google - The Verge
[12:22]	schestowitz	# underneath this clownshow of a distraction is another attack on 230
[12:22]	gerikson	store-and-forward doesn't scale 
[12:23]	gerikson	it's just a fund-raising exercise 
[12:23]	gerikson	(1st comment about NNTP, 2nd about Trump lawsuit)
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[12:32]	activelow	schestowitz: DB schenker railway logistics wanted to coordinate some internal communicatiosn with eMails
[12:33]	activelow	and for this an internal newsgroups server setup can be helpful as it has been for decades before, instead of some useless web gui html templating email marketing software.
[12:37]	activelow	this emailing setup wasn't related to railway logistics itself either, but for corporate communications with 70k employees
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[12:41]	schestowitz	many use cases for email are bad
[12:41]	schestowitz	it was not made for mailing lists, either
[12:41]	schestowitz	that does not scale well
[12:42]	schestowitz	and sometimes only 1% of less of the recipients will even read/open
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[12:49]	activelow	i wasn't involved with internal corporate coordination of theirs, my salary was 1400Euro monthly and i didn't dare to intervene with any of their wisdom anyway
[12:50]	activelow	railway used x.25, hadn't seen it myself, which i am not aware if this still exists. some x.25 mailbox system had been a better choice than the html templating web email nonsense too
[12:51]	activelow	btw. since IBM was a hot topic and their emails: wasn't IBM lotus notes domino some product of theirs (including nntp support)? 
[12:52]	activelow	last time i had seen this was 18years ago, T-Systems
[12:52]	activelow	what an irony even IBM itself nuked it's email infrastructure
[12:53]	activelow	hadn't received any news from deutsche telekom since 2005 either anymore, leave alone my salary since then
[12:57]	techrights-news	At the moment we algorithmically convert the #techrights wiki -- not just the articles -- into #geminiProtocol with the intention of having it pick up wiki updates as well (from HTTP). Big project, may be useful to other #MediaWiki users... #agplv3
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[13:10]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CommonDreams #Finance Top Economist Warns 15% Global Minimum Tax on Corporations Is 'Way Too Low' https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/07/top-economist-warns-15-global-minimum-tax-corporations-way-too-low
[13:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Top Economist Warns 15% Global Minimum Tax on Corporations Is 'Way Too Low' | Common Dreams News
[13:12]	techrights-news	#GNU "Linux support is confirmed for the full game but not the demo." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/07/frogsong-is-an-upcoming-heartfelt-adventure-game-in-the-world-of-frogs
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[13:14]	techrights-news	"The Pedestrian running natively on Linux." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwC6R_HFFeQ #gnu #linux #games
[13:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Pedestrian on Linux | Ubuntu 20.04 | Native - YouTube
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[13:32]	techrights-news	#ProprietarySoftware Chaos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153151 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Chaos | Tux Machines
[13:33]	techrights-news	#Hardware Repairs and Freedom http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153152 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[13:34]	techrights-news	#UbuntuTouch OTA-18 Is Coming July 14th with Performance Improvements, Various Changes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153154 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-18 Is Coming July 14th with Performance Improvements, Various Changes | Tux Machines
[13:34]	techrights-news	#Games : Total War: WARHAMMER II - The Silence & The Fury, Warzone 2100, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153155 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Total War: WARHAMMER II - The Silence & The Fury, Warzone 2100, and More | Tux Machines
[13:38]	techrights-news	Video: #ILOAT Caseload Shows That #AntnioCampinos Failed and Should be Sacked by the Administrative Council of the #EPO http://techrights.org/2021/07/08/iloat-caseload/ #corruption #europe
[13:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: ILO-AT Caseload Shows That Antnio Campinos Failed and Should be Sacked by the Administrative Council of the EPO | Techrights
[13:40]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CommonDreams #patent #monopoly #monopolies The #G20 Must Act Immediately to Vaccinate the World https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/07/07/g20-must-act-immediately-vaccinate-world
[13:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | The G20 Must Act Immediately to Vaccinate the World | Jeffrey D. Sachs
[13:56]	techrights-news	#LinuxMint 20.2 "Uma" Released. This is Whats New http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153156 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[14:02]	techrights-news	[Meme] Will EPO Comply? http://techrights.org/2021/07/08/epo-compliance/ #epo #europe #iloat #ilo #corruption
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[14:21]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CommonDreams #Trump Roundly Ridiculed for 'Bogus' Big Tech Lawsuit https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/07/trump-roundly-ridiculed-bogus-big-tech-lawsuit
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[14:33]	techrights-news	#Linux 101: Demystifying the Linux directory structure http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153157 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 101: Demystifying the Linux directory structure | Tux Machines
[14:33]	techrights-news	#vizex visualize disk space and disk usage http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153158 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | vizex visualize disk space and disk usage | Tux Machines
[14:33]	redstar/fn	I hate to say this, but fuck those tech companies, they deserve to be sued by millions not just a fucktard like trump
[14:33]	techrights-news	#ProtonVPN on Linux Review: An Open-Source VPN Service for Privacy Minded Users http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153159 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ProtonVPN on Linux Review: An Open-Source VPN Service for Privacy Minded Users | Tux Machines
[14:34]	schestowitz	redstar: we can make those companies go away some other way
[14:34]	schestowitz	without attacking basic assumptions of the Internet
[14:34]	redstar/fn	yes
[14:35]	schestowitz	like site liabilities for users
[14:35]	redstar/fn	P2P
[14:35]	redstar/fn	I work on a fork of zeronet
[14:35]	redstar/fn	I going to publish it at https://github.com/peertopeernetwork very soon
[14:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Peer-to-Peer Network GitHub
[14:36]	redstar/fn	obviously it is not called zeronet, it is called Peer-to-Peer Network and started with python3 p2p.py :)
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[14:37]	redstar/fn	my fork is much better than zeronet itself, more secure, no disgusting Ui etc...
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[14:38]	redstar/fn	also I have fixed the .bit domain registry
[14:38]	schestowitz	all trump 'gets' is control, not free speech
[14:39]	schestowitz	he banned me in twitter
[14:39]	schestowitz	as president of the 'free world'
[14:39]	schestowitz	and he wanted the same from  parle
[14:39]	schestowitz	that parler would muzzle his critics
[14:39]	redstar/fn	you can use Namecoin to register .bit domains and add similar values like this: https://www.namebrow.se/name/d/p2p/
[14:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-namebrow.se - Namecoin Block Explorer
[14:39]	redstar/fn	{"p2p": {"": "19qhuvdMdGPpwAqEmWZyEmaxRGeSm9USA1"}}
[14:39]	schestowitz	BTW. you might want to NOT publish it in shitgub
[14:40]	schestowitz	shithub can do much harm
[14:40]	redstar/fn	I publish it on GNU.org too :)
[14:40]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github
[14:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights
[14:40]	redstar/fn	I'm the user "hacker" from gnu.org
[14:40]	schestowitz	oh, I see
[14:41]	schestowitz	happy hacking then
[14:41]	schestowitz	github invites gpl violations
[14:41]	schestowitz	any time you feed that monster you help it
[14:41]	schestowitz	no matter what
[14:41]	schestowitz	same with youtube
[14:41]	redstar/fn	show me an alternative
[14:42]	schestowitz	there are many
[14:42]	schestowitz	look them up
[14:42]	schestowitz	sourcehut also does gemini://
[14:42]	schestowitz	which makes sense for p2p projects
[14:42]	redstar/fn	sourcehut sounds good
[14:43]	techrights-news	#Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153160 #Linux #TuxMachines
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[14:45]	techrights-news	Simple explanation of this article from last night; it explains what #ILOAT is, what the EPO has become under Benot Battistelli, and how it continues cruising along the trajectory to irrelevance under #AntnioCampinos http://techrights.org/2021/07/08/iloat-caseload/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/08/iloat-caseload/
[14:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: ILO-AT Caseload Shows That Antnio Campinos Failed and Should be Sacked by the Administrative Council of the EPO | Techrights
[14:46]	techrights-news	EPO management has lost a number of important cases at #ILOAT (regarding its attacks on over 1,000 members of staff and unlawful regulations); will it comply with the rulings? http://techrights.org/2021/07/08/epo-compliance/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/08/epo-compliance/
[14:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Will EPO Comply? | Techrights
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[15:04]	redstar/fn	IPFS truly sucks
[15:04]	redstar/fn	I was the reason why CloudFlare banned videos on they gateway
[15:04]	redstar/fn	seriously
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[15:11]	techrights-news	Links 8/7/2021: pfSense CE 2.5.2 Released, Cockpit 248, and Linux Mint 20.2 Uma Officially Released http://techrights.org/2021/07/08/linux-mint-20-2-uma/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/08/linux-mint-20-2-uma/
[15:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 8/7/2021: pfSense CE 2.5.2 Released, Cockpit 248, and Linux Mint 20.2 Uma Officially Released | Techrights
[15:11]	techrights-news	#Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153161 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[15:12]	techrights-news	#FreeSoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153162 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[15:12]	techrights-news	#Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153163 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[15:12]	gerikson	activelow: IBM purchased Lotus 
[15:12]	gerikson	there's a great hacker story from the creator of CouchDB
[15:12]	schestowitz	sold it to India
[15:13]	schestowitz	in recent years
[15:13]	schestowitz	IBM is done
[15:13]	gerikson	http://damienkatz.net/2005/01/formula-engine-rewrite.html
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[15:35]	techrights-news	#LinuxMint 20.2 Released With Cinnamon 5.0 Desktop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153156#comment-30188
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[15:56]	activelow	not got some other "fun" to deal with: some reseller on amazon.de sending dubious invoices, then denying support, and now going after me with a lawyer
[15:56]	activelow	now
[15:57]	activelow	it is ridiculous, investing weeks of work, report bugs and fix them for 0Euros, and then am threatened by a lawyer
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[16:09]	activelow	what's interesting: IBM supposedly is involved with this too
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[16:16]	techrights-news	#Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153163 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[16:17]	activelow	at least, it is documented now how such business entities operate: ARM limited, Rockchip, IBM
[16:17]	activelow	schestowitz: do not have at least an invoice address to send my bills to
[16:17]	techrights-news	#FreeSoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153162 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[16:19]	techrights-news	Dr. Roy Schestowitz () - about an hour ago
[16:20]	techrights-news	Winners of the #KDE and LMMS Plasma Mobile Sound Contest - #PlasmaMobile https://www.plasma-mobile.org/2021/07/08/winners-of-kde-lmms-sound-contest/ #plasma-mobile | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/08/#latest
[16:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.plasma-mobile.org | Winners of the KDE and LMMS Plasma Mobile Sound Contest - Plasma Mobile
[16:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
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[16:33]	XRevan86	The video from BrodieRobertson is good. I don't really get the "not really GPL" wording. GPL is irrevocable.
[16:33]	XRevan86	I get his point that Audacity may just stop being GPL later, and that is a real possibility, but any GPL version before that is still going to be GPL.
[16:35]	activelow	authors' rights aren't revocable either
[16:35]	XRevan86	> that is what a corporate take-over normally looks like, the freenode situation, that is the exception
[16:35]	genius/fn	and all of the forks as well...
[16:36]	XRevan86	I wonder what he means by that. It is technically true though, freenode wasn't corporately taken over, it was a very personal endeavor.
[16:36]	genius/fn	the "authors" who released the software in GPL DON'T have more rights than you!
[16:36]	genius/fn	everyone is equal
[16:36]	XRevan86	genius: They do have one more right though.
[16:37]	genius/fn	no
[16:37]	genius/fn	they don't
[16:37]	activelow	not sure, an author of some work has some other rights then a non-author
[16:37]	activelow	than
[16:37]	XRevan86	genius: Which is that they can release the same code under different term, they are entitled to that.
[16:37]	XRevan86	* terms
[16:37]	genius/fn	just like you
[16:38]	activelow	with GPL in place all authors must consent and/or be compensated i think
[16:38]	XRevan86	genius: A non-user is required to follow copyleft.
[16:38]	genius/fn	lol
[16:38]	XRevan86	non-author
[16:38]	genius/fn	everyone is required to follow
[16:38]	XRevan86	Who needs baa when it's 32C outside?
[16:38]	genius/fn	even the author
[16:40]	XRevan86	genius: No, if ye have exclusive rights to the code, ye can just ignore copyleft.
[16:40]	genius/fn	relicensing from GPL to any other license can be done if NO other person contributed or they give they consent, however, you can't force those people who forked you to do the same and so such a move effectively destroys your project
[16:40]	XRevan86	release it under MIT, patch it and don't share the code of the patch
[16:40]	genius/fn	MIT allows sublicensing!
[16:41]	XRevan86	genius: This is literally what I said.
[16:41]	genius/fn	but MIT is not international
[16:41]	genius/fn	neither GPLv2 is
[16:41]	genius/fn	only GPLv3 is international
[16:41]	XRevan86	genius: That's why I said that "copyleft" can be ignored by the author, because any free licence is irrevocable.
[16:43]	genius/fn	I see you like this discussion
[16:43]	genius/fn	i know very well what copyleft means
[16:43]	XRevan86	Not really, I'm sweating and thinking about how sometimes it's useful to have a conditioner.
[16:44]	genius/fn	maybe you wanna suck a 
[16:45]	XRevan86	Bananas cannot be sucked.
[16:46]	XRevan86	I don't see your point with "international".
[16:46]	XRevan86	All I'm saying is that the author can freely relicense their code like its nothing.
[16:47]	XRevan86	the previously released as GPL code is not going to stop being GPL, but
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[16:47]	XRevan86	a non-GPL derived work is entirely possible.
[16:48]	genius/fn	GPLv3 designed and written carefully to be in compliance with international law, gplv2 isn't nor MIT...
[16:48]	activelow	authors can decide on licensing terms themselves, which GPL imposes limitations upon and depends on the timeline of events when exactly which parts are supposed to be re-licensed
[16:48]	XRevan86	That changes what exactly in this discussion? We're talking about the basics.
[16:49]	activelow	if 10 authors all in total with not any indivudual missed developed GPL software and release it then everything which was released remains GPL
[16:50]	genius/fn	if someone re-licensing a GPL licensed work to Apache that person effectively dead, can't compete with GPL forks made before the re-licensing
[16:50]	activelow	nonetheless those authors without any other authore excluded can consent to license and sell their work as they desire, which doesn't revoke what was published with GPL
[16:50]	genius/fn	that is correct
[16:51]	techrights-news	Real-Time Patches Updated For The Linux 5.13 Kernel - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.13-rt1 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/08/#latest
[16:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Real-Time Patches Updated For The Linux 5.13 Kernel - Phoronix
[16:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
[16:52]	XRevan86	Now that everyone is on the same page, I'll point out why this was brought up: Audacity has a CLA now, and most developers have signed it.
[16:52]	genius/fn	nobody cares
[16:52]	XRevan86	Which means that if they rewrite the last non-CLA bits of code, the Muse Group will have Author exclusive rights to the code.
[16:53]	XRevan86	genius: Sure, nobody cares.
[16:53]	genius/fn	I seen that months before
[16:53]	techrights-news	Maxim Burgerhout: Fish, bash, zsh https://100things.wzzrd.com/2021/07/08/Fish-Bash.html
[16:53]	genius/fn	nothing new to me
[16:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-100things.wzzrd.com | Fish, bash, zsh
[16:54]	XRevan86	O.K., genius.
[16:54]	genius/fn	seriously
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[16:55]	genius/fn	CLA by Audicity is equals to stupidity
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[16:56]	genius/fn	you can fork it and simply ignore the CLA
[16:56]	genius/fn	even you can register a patent under GPLv3, that CLA only applies for they version
[16:56]	techrights-news	Porteus 5.0-rc3 is out. http://www.porteus.org/ #gnu #linux
[16:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.porteus.org | Home - Porteus - Portable Linux
[16:57]	XRevan86	genius: Yes. The free software community is now trying to organise under a new fork.
[16:57]	XRevan86	But this isn't easy, when the existing developers actually fell in line.
[16:57]	genius/fn	nobody cares about they feeling
[16:57]	genius/fn	period
[16:58]	genius/fn	do what you have to do and all others can suck a big one
[16:58]	XRevan86	It's not about feelings, it's about people who know how to code.
[16:58]	techrights-news	The ever-evolving IT job role: system administrator | Enable Sysadmin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/ever-evolving-role-sysadmin #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux
[16:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | The ever-evolving IT job role: system administrator | Enable Sysadmin
[16:58]	genius/fn	you fork the software and thann go to reddit hackernew etc and advertise your fork
[16:58]	genius/fn	is that hard?
● Jul 08
[17:00]	activelow	the GPL can bite if the CLA missed anyone or some parts of the code accidentally. are those CLAs public and who joined and when?
[17:00]	techrights-news	"Most of the non-WiFi functions are open-sourced and the analysis also found out the SDK uses source code from various projects including AliOS embedded framework for multitasking and device drivers" https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/07/08/reverse-engineering-the-sdk-for-bl602-risc-v-wifi-ble-microcontroller/
[17:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Reverse engineering the SDK for BL602 RISC-V WiFi & BLE microcontroller - CNX Software
[17:00]	XRevan86	genius: Now we wait if Tenacity can actually meaningfully work on the code.
[17:00]	XRevan86	and not just strip out the anti-features
[17:01]	activelow	and it isn't entirely clear since Audacity depends on ALSA how a clear separation of CLA relevant components can be defined
[17:01]	genius/fn	"Once you make a contribution, you are saying MUSECY SM LTD (an affiliate of MuseScore and Ultimate Guitar) can use that piece of code forever." from the CLA
[17:01]	genius/fn	MuseScore and Ultimate Guitar LOLOLOL
[17:02]	XRevan86	activelow: Um, what? It's source code text.
[17:02]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.46   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 30.93 swarm size (avg): 299.48  
[17:02]	activelow	it isn't clear what type of skeleton remained if audacity linked against libraries which are GPL too, what audacity intended to ship then
[17:03]	activelow	could depend on the license applied to libraries, and of a proprietary piece can link against them, LGPL iirc?
[17:03]	XRevan86	activelow: Also, ALSA is not a big thing here.
[17:03]	activelow	*if
[17:03]	XRevan86	Obviously, Audacity doesn't use ALSA on Windows.
[17:03]	techrights-news	#GSoC 21 Projects mentored by #Collabora for #LibreOffice https://www.collaboraoffice.com/company-news/gsoc-21-projects-mentored-by-collabora-for-libreoffice/
[17:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.collaboraoffice.com | GSoC 21 Projects mentored by Collabora for LibreOffice
[17:04]	techrights-news	3 reasons Quarkus 2.0 improves developer productivity on Linux | https://opensource.com/article/21/7/developer-productivity-linux #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux
[17:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-3 reasons Quarkus 2.0 improves developer productivity on Linux | Opensource.com
[17:07]	techrights-news	#LinuxMint 20.2 Now Available to Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153156#comment-30189
[17:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.2 "Uma" Released. This is What's New | Tux Machines
[17:07]	activelow	btw. on aarch64 audacity and qjackctl both segfault currently, not sure yet why that is, didn't verify against amd64
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[17:12]	techrights-news	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153165 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[17:14]	techrights-news	#KDE /Qt: Plasma Mobile, Qt Creator 5.0 Beta, and KDE Floating Applets http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153166 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE/Qt: Plasma Mobile, Qt Creator 5.0 Beta, and KDE Floating Applets | Tux Machines
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[17:15]	techrights-news	VKD3D-Proton 2.4 Released With Better Performance, Sparse 3D Textures - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=VKD3D-Proton-2.4 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/08/#latest
[17:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-VKD3D-Proton 2.4 Released With Better Performance, Sparse 3D Textures - Phoronix
[17:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
[17:16]	techrights-news	"With the 8 tier bundle you get (titles in bold text have #GNU #Linux native builds)" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/07/killer-bundle-18-from-fanatical-has-shadow-tactics-warhammer-gladius-and-more
[17:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Killer Bundle 18 from Fanatical has Shadow Tactics, Warhammer Gladius and more | GamingOnLinux
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[17:17]	techrights-news	#Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo: S14E18 Timing Chefs Watch https://ubuntupodcast.org/2021/07/08/s14e18-timing-chefs-watch/ #gnu #linux
[17:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntupodcast.org | S14E18 Timing Chefs Watch | Ubuntu Podcast
[17:23]	techrights-news	More lying from #mozilla -- pretending that it values #privacy https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/news/firefox-by-default-dns-over-https-rollout-in-canada/ see http://techrights.org/2021/07/07/mozilla-data-stewardship-slant/
[17:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Firefox extends privacy and security of Canadian internet users with by-default DNS-over-HTTPS rollout in Canada
[17:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Does Not Respect Your Privacy | Techrights
[17:24]	techrights-news	Is #mozilla just #lobbying for its master, #google . instead of #firefox users and #freesw proponents? https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2021/07/08/mozilla-publishes-policy-recommendations-for-eu-digital-markets-act/
[17:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Mozilla publishes policy recommendations for EU Digital Markets Act - Open Policy & Advocacy
[17:25]	techrights-news	#KDEneon 20210708 is out. https://neon.kde.org/ #kde #gnu #linux
[17:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neon.kde.org | KDE neon
[17:26]	activelow	anyway, i am glad i can bring this to court now, at least once, how big business such as ARM, Silicon Valley, Rockchip, IBM and similar operate
[17:27]	techrights-news	#IBM #RedHat is boosting charlatans and liars from #Gartner https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/read-about-red-hats-open-hybrid-cloud-portfolio-gartner-report bullies and fraudsters: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group
[17:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Read about Red Hat's Open Hybrid Cloud portfolio in this Gartner Report
[17:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gartner Group - Techrights
[17:27]	activelow	and whatever the judge will decide it will be testified with all the documents i have for evidence in this case, at least once
[17:27]	activelow	add to this amazon
[17:27]	techrights-news	Now you know to avoid #redhat https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-still-red-hat approved by frauds: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group
[17:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Red Hat is still Red Hat
[17:28]	techrights-news	#gartner = bribes and #fraud In this post, we'll take a look at the configuration and usage of capabilities built into Red Hat Enterprise Linux for Edge.
[17:29]	techrights-news	#gartner = bribes and #fraud http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group
[17:31]	techrights-news	#PopOS is a modern-day take on Ubuntu by System76 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152837#comment-30191
[17:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pop!_OS Linux 21.04 Released with the COSMIC Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 21.04 | Tux Machines
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[17:32]	psydruid	what did Rockchip do?
[17:32]	techrights-news	This shield combines the retro charm of Nixie tubes with modern Arduino Cloud connectivity | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/07/08/this-shield-combines-the-retro-charm-of-nixie-clocks-with-modern-arduino-cloud-connectivity/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/08/#latest
[17:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This shield combines the retro charm of Nixie tubes with modern Arduino Cloud connectivity | Arduino Blog
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[17:39]	activelow	psydruid: complicated, it is several entities involved. my complaint against rockchip is this: they do not integrate into mainline and their default configuration causes hardware defects with sdcards overheating under circumstances for example.
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[17:40]	activelow	otherwise rockchip isn't the responsible entity and their offerings a decent. it is ARM limited and silicon valley as vendors about whom open questions remain.
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[17:40]	activelow	such as, where i could send my bills to, for example, for my testing and development work.
[17:42]	activelow	yet intead i am being threatened by a lawyer now.
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[17:51]	activelow	besides, regardless of GPL i am not forced to publish anything at all for zero income. if none of my work is published to anyone under these circumstances then GPL is irelevant.
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[17:55]	activelow	so, if i had not available any invoice adress to send my bills to who then would be enforcing GPL, without an invoice adress in silicon valley or london or china or wherever?
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[17:58]	activelow	i mean if anyone wanted to challenge with GPL against me i welcome this 100%, since then i got an invoice address.
● Jul 08
[18:05]	Snuupy	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hVjvKQ5CXY
[18:05]	Snuupy	hype
[18:07]	activelow	and, thanks to the lawyer intervening against me now I will receive a statement from a German Court, regardless of what they decide.
[18:08]	activelow	the inquiry is legitimate, yet i am not the perpetrator to take legal action against. instead it is amazon, silicon valley, ARM limited, rockchip and who knows who else had to answer some questions, at a german court.
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[18:21]	DaemonFC	Well, I got the front end damage to the car fixed.
[18:21]	DaemonFC	It wasn't quite as bad as I thought it would be.
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[18:56]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/?p=1778628
[18:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Bidens right-to-repair order could stop companies from blocking DIY fixes | Ars Technica
[18:57]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/?p=1778751
[18:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | OnePlus admits to throttling 300 popular apps with recent update | Ars Technica
[18:59]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/?p=1778400
[18:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Broadcom is a monopolist: FTC orders chipmaker to stop illegal tactics | Ars Technica
● Jul 08
[19:00]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/?p=1778350
[19:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | No, open source Audacity audio editor is not spyware | Ars Technica
[19:01]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/?p=1778475
[19:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Pentagon kills Microsofts $10B JEDI cloud contract, says tech is now outdated | Ars Technica
[19:04]	AdmFubar	https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/07/08/interview_gene_hoffman/
[19:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | In conversation with Gene Hoffman, co-creator of the internet's first ad blocker The Register
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[19:11]	DaemonFC	https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/05/amazon-worker-fired-app-dystopia
[19:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Welcome to dystopia: getting fired from your job as an Amazon worker by an app | Jessa Crispin | The Guardian
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[19:17]	activelow	DaemonFC: what is the wage paid at amazon ?
[19:18]	DaemonFC	Like $15-16 an hour or so if you're in their warehouse.
[19:18]	DaemonFC	Big whoop.
[19:18]	DaemonFC	Mandy works at Walmart and at least nobody there has been fired by text message, yet.
[19:19]	DaemonFC	They've made this system where you have to call a 1-800 number to report an absence though and then use an app to cover it with personal hours to avoid being pointed.
[19:19]	DaemonFC	Careful observers who want to milk that system will notice that it takes 4.5 points in a rolling 6 month period to get fired, and so sometimes they would use personal hours and other times they would just take a point.
[19:20]	DaemonFC	That would allow you to call in more, although you don't get paid if you just take a point.
[19:20]	activelow	wouldn't want to work in a warehouse, nonetheless the wage isn't the worst i had known. talked to some Amazon (DHL logistics) employee in germany and salary wasn't that bad either, there is even worse employers than that. nonetheless i wouldn't want to do this type of work.
[19:21]	DaemonFC	There's a big difference between what's right and what's legal.
[19:22]	DaemonFC	The world doesn't reward doing what's right and it's spotty about punishing what is illegal.
[19:22]	DaemonFC	So a clever person learns to do what they can get away with instead.
[19:23]	activelow	as far as i am concerned with the legal offense against me now, with amazon involved too: it wasn't me who violated trade law, labor market laws, social security related laws, consumer protection and a whole bunch of other issues.
[19:24]	activelow	some silicon valley entity doesn't bother with establishing sypply chains with contracts and official traders/resellers. some development boards end up on amazon, not that cheap either.
[19:25]	activelow	then i invest weeks of work, to track bugs, report and fix those. noone is responsible for anything. amazon ideal seems to be to dump precious development hardware into the trash it seems, although i explicitely told everyone that I do want to keep the development board, that i do invest time and effort, and won't return them for disposal.
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[19:27]	activelow	then some reseller which isn't recognised by anyone offered some spare part for "testing purpose", which of cause didn't imply any contract with related labor market regulations applying?
[19:28]	activelow	in the meantime i could verify that the boards themselve didn't overheat, yet the casing didn't sufficiently cool down the sdcard installed inside the case. which was easily fixed by setting some temperature throttle to kick in and since then i didn't have a defective sdcard anymore in 8weeks while i had dispose dozens of them before.
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[19:30]	DaemonFC	I get a lot of Facebook spam about being paid to "test" products and then leave "reviews" on Amazon.
[19:30]	activelow	one of those amazon resellers now claims i didn't return one of those spare boards in time. yet i did ask him to provide a correct invoice since i didn't want to return the boards because then weeks of work had been futile. so i offered to pay for the spare parts in case at least an invoice for this was provided, which the reseller didn't.
[19:30]	DaemonFC	We're all being gaslighted so badly about what's any good or not that you can'y trust anything.
[19:31]	DaemonFC	*can't
[19:32]	DaemonFC	https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/og8s5d/openoffice_gang/
[19:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | OpenOffice Gang : linuxmasterrace
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[19:33]	DaemonFC	Microsoft Office is so unintuitive that there are classes about how to use it so you can gain artificial employability skills.
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[19:37]	activelow	as far as i can tell this is what a judge can rule, either 1) I must have returned a board provided for "testing purpose" as the reseller claimed, which then implied some contract to do testing which is work to be compensated.
[19:38]	activelow	or 2) it wasn't some legitimate "testing purpose" and i must have paid the board which i had asked an invoice for several times which the reseller didn't provide
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[19:39]	activelow	the reseller now claims it wasn't him who had sold the board, but it was some other reseller on amazon, which may or may not be true but is irelevant, since he did pose as reseller exclusively on amazon and i contacted him before by phone and he provided me with a catalog of parts to order from
[19:41]	activelow	neither of the resellers did contact the vendor on behalf, so i contacted the silicon valley vendor myself, who responded by email they would cooridnate with the resellers themselves none of them would be known to silicon valley
[19:42]	activelow	then i should have requested a ticket from the vendor, which i did, yet didn't receive any confirmation anymore, and then i've had enough of this
[19:50]	activelow	in case of 1) me withholding the board was legitimate since the reseller denied to respond to any proposal me cooperating with him, offering minimum wage being paid
[19:51]	activelow	in case of 2) it wasn't some "testing purpose" then he cannot argue he didn't sell the board and he must have had provided an invoice what was supposed to be paid, which i was willing to after i was notified it wasn't supposedly him who sold the board
[19:53]	activelow	either reseller who was contacted should have contacted the silicon valley vendor on behalf and should have asked for known issues to cope with, such as defective sdcards, to name only one problem of many others
[19:55]	activelow	instead i contacted the silicon valley vendor in the end, and then they argued i didn't directly order from silicon valley vendor so they weren't obligated to proceed with my ticket and coordinate would coordinate with resellers themselves directly, and then i've had enough of this
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[20:03]	immibis	why would you sue someone who bought stuff from you. People don't normally enter into hardware testing contracts on Amazon. They buy and sell things. You pay the money, they ship the device, job done, end of story
[20:04]	activelow	immibis: i am being sued while having worked for zero euros income and insisting on some defect being coped with before returning anything to anyone
[20:06]	activelow	besides too i could repair some "minor" issue (besides others), which was trivial once confirmed, which was not the board itself overheating, but the sdcard exposed to heat inside officially provided alloy casing
[20:07]	activelow	and this reseller demands i should pay lawyer costs while i offered this reseller to either 1) pay minimum wage for "testing purpose" as he argues, or instead 2) provide an invoice which doesn't show 0Euros to be paid
[20:08]	immibis	activelow: well there's your problem, if you want to return a product for a refund, you have to return the product
[20:08]	immibis	You have no entitlement to keep the product after getting a refund; you have no entitlement to demand it be fixed; you just reverse the previous transaction and that's that
[20:10]	activelow	immibis: i had written to all involved parties i did NOT want refund, since i did already invest alot of time and work, and too did i want to keep those with defects being coped with
[20:10]	immibis	"worked for zero euros income" sounds like bullshit. it's amazon. you bought a product for money. now you want to return it for your money back. full stop.
[20:10]	activelow	immibis: i did neither receive receive refund, nor any compensation for my work for "testing purpose"
[20:10]	immibis	activelow: what work are you talking about. It's Amazon. You bought a product, presumably. Did you enter into a contract to do work?
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[20:11]	activelow	immibis: amazon only contributed the confusion, since i ordered several parts most of which were shipped from one reseller, while one order silently swapped the reseller
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[20:11]	activelow	btw. none of the resellers were officially recognised by sillicon valley vendor to my knowledge
[20:12]	immibis	activelow: so what is your basis for expecting them to pay you money
[20:13]	activelow	immibis: it is a development board which requires development effort, in particular if there was some confirmed defects which can easily be coped with once spotted
[20:13]	immibis	you bought products. Did you receive the products?
[20:13]	activelow	yes immibis, i paid for most parts, and since some issues were reported received some spare part from one reseller, which i did NOT ask for either, with an invoice of 0Euros
[20:14]	activelow	little later this reseller argued it wasn't him who had sold the board initially, which is probably true yet i had NOT known, so i offered he should provide an invoice in case i had to return a defective board so i could at least keep one and not loose all time and money invested by myself
[20:15]	XRevan86	https://mariadb.com/kb/en/changes-improvements-in-mariadb-106/ 10.6 is stable now with the release of 10.6.3 two days ago.
[20:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Changes and Improvements in MariaDB 10.6 - MariaDB Knowledge Base
[20:17]	activelow	immibis: in the meantime the development boards are not shipped anymore at all by those resellers in germany, which would mean if some board was defect i had not available evidence anymore at least, to demonstrate one or anothe issue existed
[20:18]	activelow	hence i asked for an invoice to be paid by the reseller, which he didn't offer yet instead insisted i should return the equipment
[20:19]	activelow	which i didn't and instead insisted on compensation for my work and an invoice, two months have passed and now i am being sued.
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[20:30]	immibis	activelow: you are not entitled to bug-free products
[20:30]	immibis	activelow: you are not entitled to get paid for work you did of your own free will
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[20:30]	immibis	activelow: i suspect you complained for 2 months nonstop and now you are being sued to shut up and stop harassing this person
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[20:31]	activelow	immibis: no, i quit any conversation since when all resellers denied to cope with defects and sillicon valley vendor argued they wouldn't respond to my ticket
[20:33]	activelow	immibis: the reseller now argues he offered the spare board for "testing purpse" which i wouldn't know that meant according to labor market rules if i am testing to track down bugs, report them, and fix them
[20:36]	activelow	his argument now is everything was supposedly fine with "armbian" which i can show isn't, and too me working with gentoo tooling only serves the purpose i can 100% reproduce system integration issues fully from source, another such distracing blather since i can reproduce various issues with armbian too, besides some board variants are listed as "no official support" there too
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[20:56]	DaemonFC	https://www.businessinsider.com/black-leaders-at-walmart-would-not-recommend-firm-to-friends-2021-7
[20:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Black Leaders at Walmart Would Not Recommend Firm to Family, Friends
[20:56]	DaemonFC	You'd think that being given a chance to bitch and moan about how much you hate a company that made you a highly paid executive would be a kick in the ass out the front door.
[20:56]	DaemonFC	But they probably know it's not.
[20:57]	DaemonFC	SJW disease has set in and you can just openly say that now, and as a minority they'll be terrified to do anything about it.
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[20:58]	DaemonFC	Besides, with Hey Hi software, there's not a lot of decisions left to be made by managers at Walmart.
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[21:00]	DaemonFC	If a manager doesn't come up with schedules, the computer schedules people, and it's so bad that none of it makes any sense.
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[21:16]	immibis	activelow: it's a development board. defects are expected and normal in such products. Unless it doesn't work at all, you probably have no recourse
[21:17]	immibis	activelow: Did you conduct a normal Amazon transaction?
[21:17]	immibis	DaemonFC: are you saying megacorps should rule with an iron fist or else they are weak? sounds kinda fascist to me
[21:25]	activelow	immibis: sure, depends on the type of issue involved, and the board and software had various issues with differing severity. burning hot sdcards unnecessarily is one of those.
[21:28]	activelow	in any case i had written and told all involved parties: the resellers, sillicon valley vendor, and amazon that i intended to keep those boards and did not want refund and instead issues being handled
[21:32]	activelow	and since then none of them responded anymore up until i received the letter from the lawyer today, instead  of a correct invoice i insisted to receive from one reseller who offered the spare part
[21:33]	drazak/fn	DaemonFC: computers are actually good at making schedules that make sense - if you have schedules that a computer had generated bsed on whatever parameters with a linear programming or sat solving algorithm, and they seemed like nonsense - then you probably don't understand the parameters used
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[21:42]	DaemonFC	More from WGN on he latest R Kelly trial.
[21:42]	DaemonFC	He's been beating sex with minors charges over and over again for decades now, starting in like 1994 when he arranged an underage "marriage" to Aaliyah. 
[21:43]	DaemonFC	Chicago jury let him go because he's black and he's a "hip hop" "artist".
[21:43]	DaemonFC	All he had to do is keep saying it wasn't him on the tape.
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[22:06]	immibis	activelow: even with severe issues, it's plausible they can claim that since this is basically a prototype part, it comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, NOT EVEN MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
[22:06]	immibis	how does one burn up an SD card, anyway?
[22:06]	immibis	over-voltage?
[22:06]	immibis	or putting it right on top of some power resistor
[22:07]	immibis	being a dev board, which typically means it comes with just enough software to make sure it boots, is it possible *you're* meant to flip some GPIO to tell it to supply the SD card with the correct voltage?
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[22:17]	activelow	immibis: to stick to one example burning hot sdcards isn't any particular purpose, it is a defect which can be fixed if the vendor configures temperature throttling correctly, which i reported
[22:18]	activelow	the cause of the heat issue is the alloy-casing from the vendor transferring alot of heat to the microsdcard under circumstances, so while the board doesn't overheat sdcards become prone to total defect
[22:20]	activelow	anyway, the problem is that i am being sued although i did nothing wrong. my only mistake was being in error who had send one particular board while i suspected it was one individual reseller several ones are active on amazon, and none are recognized as official by sillicon valley.
[22:21]	activelow	and since when i became aware of this i offered the reseller he should provide me with a correct invoice instead of a one with 0Euros, which he denied to do
[22:21]	activelow	and now sues me for this.
[22:22]	immibis	activelow: sounds like usual prototype issues, not a particular defect, configure the thermal throttling yourself
[22:23]	activelow	immibis: the board is being sold since 2016 iirc and up until today vendors and suppliers do not bother with mainline integration and instead scatter their patches across various projects
[22:23]	immibis	activelow: they have no legal obligation to do so
[22:24]	immibis	does it boot using the software they provided?
[22:24]	activelow	and yes, i did set thermal throttling, diagnosed some other issues with ethernet port, hdmi-out, dram initialization, in the last two month i tagged 6000 new packages for aarch64 on gentoo
[22:25]	activelow	yes immibis, the firmware is relatively stable now for two month, and even superior in some regards to what is typically available since i integrated all patches i could harvets for example
[22:26]	activelow	thing is, since when vendors and resellers didn't respond to my inquiry when I insisted i do NOT want refund but work with those boards - this is when i've had enough and ran out of patience with them
[22:28]	immibis	activelow: they have no legal obligation to do so
[22:28]	immibis	and apparently, you are harassing them
[22:28]	immibis	and they no longer want to do business with you
[22:28]	activelow	wrong immibis: they have, and i haven't harassed anyone
[22:28]	activelow	instead they tried to force me to send back those boards, with the result i couldn't have proven what i worked hard for since march this year
[22:29]	immibis	activelow: was this a normal Amazon transaction?
[22:29]	activelow	normal how?
[22:29]	activelow	amazon had issued the regular refund procedure although i had told and written everyone involved that i did NOT want refund for those boards and instead issues being coped with for which I too offered my cooperation
[22:30]	immibis	activelow: you pay money, you receive product, you do not write a contract with the seller or anything like that
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[22:31]	activelow	so what? i am being sued now and threatened with I should pay for the lawyer costs.
[22:31]	immibis	activelow: did you write a contract with the seller?
[22:31]	immibis	other than the implicit sale contract "you get money, i get thing"?
[22:31]	activelow	my last demand from the reseller was to send me an invoice with his demands, instead of the 0Euro invoice i received for the spare part
[22:31]	immibis	activelow: did you write a contract with the seller?
[22:31]	immibis	other than the implicit sale contract "you get money, i get thing"?
[22:32]	activelow	now he argues this board was provided for "testing purpose", which i indeed utilised it for. thing is testing and development are WORK in germany to be compensated according to labor market regulations. another red line crossed not by myself.
[22:32]	immibis	activelow: did you write a contract with the seller?
[22:32]	immibis	other than the implicit sale contract "you get money, i get thing"?
[22:33]	activelow	immibis: i offered the reseller my cooperation, and when I ran out of patience reminded him that minimum wage in germany is 9Euros or something per hour.
[22:33]	immibis	activelow: what cooperation did you offer?
[22:34]	immibis	activelow: would you demand money after working on an open source project? Does Germany forbid volunteering?
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[22:34]	activelow	immibis: i am being sued i had supposedly done anything wrong.
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[22:36]	immibis	activelow: Doing volunteer work and then demanding payment when there was no contract for payment is wrong.
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[22:37]	immibis	activelow: You should be aware that minimum wage only applies to employees. If you are not an employee, there is no minimum wage.
[22:37]	activelow	no immibis: i received a development board which had both various software and hardware issues, some of which aren't coped with yet which is another reason i am not willing to return any part at all
[22:37]	immibis	If you are the one volunteering to do the work, then you are certainly not an employee.
[22:38]	activelow	and the resellers and amazon tried to enforce i return those boards, which had left me without evidence
[22:38]	immibis	activelow: To be clear, is the person demanding the return of the free spare part, or the supposedly defective part which you replaced with the spare, or the entire board?
[22:38]	activelow	then the reseller who had provided a spare part denied to send me an invoice for the spare part
[22:39]	immibis	by the way, are you a free market libertarian or am I getting people confused with each other again?
[22:39]	activelow	which is now his basis to claim i had withheld it which i didn't: i didn't receive any refund nor was notified of any, i didn't receive any compensation for my work, and what i got is two development boards which requiere maintenance
[22:40]	immibis	activelow: did you pay for two development boards?
[22:41]	activelow	immibis: OK, i did pay all invoices i received. the spare part board was provided with an invoice of 0Euros for "testing purpose" after i had diagnosed some issues
[22:41]	activelow	then some weeks later amazon added to the confusion since i thought all boards and spare parts originated from reseller, while one board was sent from someone else
[22:41]	immibis	activelow: So you received two boards, you paid for one, and the other was provided for "testing purposes"?
[22:42]	activelow	at that moment i was afraid if i returned any board all development effort was futile, and insisted the reseller who offered the spare part sent an invoice for me to compensate
[22:42]	immibis	activelow: So you received two boards, you paid for one, and the other was provided for "testing purposes"?
[22:42]	immibis	activelow: you are withholding information that would implicate you as a thief
[22:42]	activelow	in the end this is what i did: i payed for all parts I received an invoice for to work for zero income and now am being sued?
[22:43]	immibis	activelow: How many boards did you pay for?
[22:43]	activelow	no immibis: i informed all entities involved two month ago already: amazon, both resellers, and sillicon vendor
[22:43]	immibis	activelow: you are withholding information that would implicate you as a thief
[22:43]	immibis	oops wrong message to re-send
[22:43]	immibis	sorry not that one
[22:43]	immibis	activelow: How many boards did you pay for?
[22:44]	immibis	activelow: How many boards did you pay for?
[22:44]	activelow	in total? 4 boards (two of another variant), three shipped from one reseller, and a forth one shipped from a different reseller i didn't know was involved at all
[22:44]		*Ariadne mutters things about san francisco real estate
[22:44]	immibis	so you received 4 boards and you paid for all 4?
[22:44]	activelow	then i paid for some casing, sd cards etc., 
[22:44]	activelow	one board was offered as spare part, which btw. i did not ask for nor denied either
[22:45]	immibis	so you received 5 boards and you paid for 4?
[22:45]	Ariadne	the real question is why litigation
[22:45]	Ariadne	all of this seems too petty to litigate over
[22:45]	MinceR	:)
[22:46]	immibis	Ariadne: from his behaviour on IRC I can see why someone might give up arguing and escalate
[22:46]	immibis	Ariadne: also they could be really expensive boards
[22:46]	Ariadne	so, i've been informed by my landlord that the building housing my servers (including the techrights one) is being sold in september, and thus my lease will not be renewed
[22:46]	MinceR	:(
[22:46]	sepsinn	ouch
[22:47]	activelow	thing is, it is different variants too, and the variant which i received a spare part for isn't shipped to germany anymore (or anywhere else), and if i had returned for refund then I had not any evidence of anything anymore
[22:47]	activelow	so I insisted the reseller who offered the spare part send me an invoice to pay, which he denied to do. why?
[22:48]	immibis	activelow: so you received 5 boards and you paid for 4?
[22:48]	immibis	the fact that you are refusing to answer simple questions like this, strongly suggests you are a thief
[22:49]	activelow	it is aarch64 SBC which are installed in a distcc cluster here for gentoo
[22:49]	Ariadne	l o l
[22:49]	Ariadne	> aarch64 SBC
[22:49]	immibis	because most people would either answer "yes" (if they received 5 boards, paid 4, and thought the 5th was free) or "no, I only received 4" (if that is what happened)
[22:49]	activelow	in total it is 6SBC even, two used ones
[22:49]	immibis	activelow: so you received 6 boards and paid for 4?
[22:50]	activelow	no i paid for all boards i received an invoice for
[22:50]	immibis	activelow: I didn't ask whether you received an invoice for them.
[22:50]	immibis	activelow: so you received 6 boards and paid for 4?
[22:50]	activelow	of the rk3399 variant boards there is two available, one of which is the spare, the others are rk3328
[22:50]	Ariadne	anyway, i doubt i will find another place to stash an ibm linuxone mainframe :(
[22:51]	immibis	activelow: so you received 6 boards and paid for 4?
[22:51]	activelow	immibis: put aside the refurbished/used ones. the boards ordered on amazon are three in total, casing, power supply etc. which i paid for since i had the invoice to do so
[22:52]	immibis	activelow: So you received 4 boards from amazon and paid for 3?
[22:52]	activelow	no i received 3 from amazon and paid for three
[22:52]	immibis	and you had 2 refurbished ones already. So what was the other one?
[22:52]	activelow	the forth one was offered as spare since when i had diagnosed some issues
[22:53]	immibis	activelow: It sounds like the seller intended for you to use the 4th one to diagnose whether your problem was only specific to the one board you were previously trying it on.
[22:53]	immibis	by trying it on both boards. Only fails on one => board-specific. Fails on both => not board-specific.
[22:54]	activelow	ALL boards have issues, and all variants of those
[22:54]	immibis	it sounds like you *borrowed* it from him for that purpose. The seller may not have known you already had 4 other boards to test on
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[22:55]	activelow	i didn't borrow anything, i asked for an invoice since when all involved denied a response once i insisted i do not seek refund but issues handled correctly
[22:55]	immibis	activelow: Let me put it this way then. It sounds like he lent it to you.
[22:56]	activelow	he didn't, i didn't at least ask for any spare board to begin with, but ask for issues handled
[22:56]	immibis	activelow: Can you quote his offer for the spare board?
[22:56]	activelow	then he simply sent me some spare board for "testing purpose" to verify rk3399 board issues with two available
[22:56]	activelow	immibis: yes, he send me an invoice of zero Euros
[22:57]	activelow	which then once i found out the resellers and vendor denied coping with issues he shall provide a corrected invoice so that i wouldn't have to return any part until issues are fixed
[22:58]	activelow	he denied this with the argument he wouldn't sell any such boards, funny isn't it.
[22:58]	gerikson	confusing more like 
[22:58]	immibis	activelow: It sounds like there has been some kind of misunderstanding. It sounds like the seller was under the impression he lent you the board but you are under the impression he gave it to you for free. If this is the case, I expect that the judge will side with the seller.
[22:59]	activelow	no immibis: I insisted he sent me an invoice for me to pay once i found out another reseller was involved not willing to cope with issues either and insisting on refund which i did not want
[22:59]	immibis	you do not get to just "think" that a borrowed item was actually a gift, and then not return it. The resolution will be: sorry, that item was not a gift, you must return it
[22:59]	immibis	activelow: So he lent you the item and then you insisted on buying the item instead of returning it?
[22:59]	activelow	no immibis: didn't think that. I insisted he sent me an invoice which he DENIED to do as all resellers and the vendor denied to cope with issues.
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[23:00]	immibis	activelow: What difference does the invoice make? Why should he send you one? Why do you want one? It makes no difference to the actual transaction, it is just a record
[23:01]	activelow	immibis: he argues he didn't "sell" the board, while the zero Euros invoice noted it as sales.
[23:01]	immibis	activelow: but you said he didn't send you an invoice
[23:01]	activelow	once i realised the initial rk3399 wasn't shipped from the reseller i immediately contacted him again and insisted on an invoice to pay, which he DENIED
[23:01]	immibis	how did he not send you an invoice, and also send you a zero euro invoice?
[23:02]	activelow	immibis: he denied to send an invoice for me to pay
[23:02]	activelow	and instead insisted on refund, like the other reseller likewise, and amazon, which i did NOT want. i did not want refund.
[23:02]	immibis	activelow: Does the invoice say he sold the board for 0 or does it say you get to test the board for 0?
[23:03]	activelow	immibis: he didn't send me an invoice with a corrected amount to be paid.
[23:03]	immibis	activelow: Does the invoice say he sold the board for 0 or does it say you get to test the board for 0?
[23:03]	activelow	and insisted me returning the board. meanwhile i wasn't compensated for my work for "testin purpose" either. interesting isn't it?
[23:03]	immibis	because it could say "we lend this board for testing purposes for 0"
[23:03]	activelow	immibis: sold for 0Euros.
[23:04]	sepsinn	BEER
[23:04]	immibis	definitely sold? 100% unambiguous?
[23:04]	activelow	yes!
[23:04]	activelow	and I even offered to pay for the board if he sent me a corrected invoice to do so.
[23:04]	immibis	and the invoice is accurate?
[23:04]	MinceR	TEA
[23:04]	immibis	if he sold it for 0 you'll have an easy time in court proving that. If he didn't, he'll have an easy time in court proving he didn't. It's much better if one of you just accepts the truth, whichever it is.
[23:04]	immibis	then there will be no need for a court
[23:04]	sepsinn	COFFEE
[23:05]	sepsinn	SCOTCH!
[23:05]	activelow	accurate how. since the spare board was provided by a reseller who did not originally send the rk3399 board, which i did NOT know since amazon silently swapped the originator of the board.
[23:05]	sepsinn	tea is for the weak
[23:05]	immibis	activelow: seems irrelevant. your contract is with the seller, it doesn't matter where the board came from
[23:05]	sepsinn	I may be a bit too random for this chnnl atm..
[23:06]	activelow	after calling amazon i immediately contacted him and the other reseller, again insisting i did NOT want refund. and in case of the spare board a corrected invoice for me to pay so i can keep the board to retain EVIDENCE.,
[23:06]	activelow	which he denied, all insisted on refund which i did NOT want.
[23:06]	immibis	why do you keep insisting on evidence lol. Dev boards being bad isn't a crime.
[23:06]	sepsinn	and the reseller will not provide you with said invoice?
[23:07]	sepsinn	answered before I finished typing
[23:07]	immibis	since you already have 3 boards why do you need the 4th one as evidence that these boards are stupid? why not just use the other 3?
[23:07]	activelow	I am being sued now supposedly withholding it, after I had received ZERO compensation for my work and nothing but insults of my intellect in return.
[23:07]	MinceR	PEPSI WILD CHERRY
[23:07]	sepsinn	extra retailer/reseller somehow got involved
[23:07]	immibis	activelow: you are not entitled to compensation for your wor
[23:07]	immibis	k
[23:08]	activelow	sure, why then did the reseller deny to sent a corrected invoice and all others insisting on returning and refund?
[23:08]	immibis	activelow: and you are not entitled to not be called stupid. I believe Germany has some laws about public defamation, but this is not public.
[23:08]	sepsinn	MinceR: daheck is pepsi wild cherry? does not sound like a good beer/spirit
[23:08]	immibis	activelow: because he felt like it. Maybe he felt like dealing with you is not worth the effort and he is refusing to do business with you. Maybe his inventory management system can't handle the concept. Who knows. It's his choice, isn't it?
[23:08]	activelow	besides, the sdcard issue (heat exposure with total defects of dozens of them) alone required some time for verification
[23:09]	immibis	activelow: YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO COMPENSATION FOR WORK THAT YOU CHOSE TO DO FOR FREE
[23:09]	immibis	activelow: are you a communist?
[23:09]	activelow	no immibis: i already had ordered various parts from him and he argued he as a reseller wouldn't be responsible to coordinate in case of defects and issues
[23:09]	activelow	sillicon valley argued i should contact the resellers again, since i didn't directly order there, and the resellers insisted on return and refund which i did NOT want.
[23:10]	immibis	activelow: even in countries with good consumer protection laws, return and refund is generally all that you are entitled to. Maybe compensation for damages if the device floods your house, which it did not.
[23:10]	sepsinn	i cannot help but read sillicon as 'silly-con' sorry for the interruption
[23:11]	immibis	consumer protection laws might not apply to this type of product
[23:11]	immibis	in which case, you should be glad that you are being allowed to return and refund
[23:11]	activelow	nonetheless i had done nothing wrong to be sued
[23:11]	immibis	activelow: sounds like you are keeping a product that someone believed they lent to you
[23:12]	immibis	that is sue-worthy
[23:12]	activelow	he didn't lend it, he sold it for 0Euros, and then i insisted on an invoice for payment of the confusion with amazon, since i wanted to keep EVIDENCE
[23:12]	activelow	*after the confusion
[23:13]	activelow	minimum wage in german is ~9euros or so
[23:13]	activelow	y
[23:13]	immibis	activelow: sounds like he thought he lent it. What does the invoice say *EXACTLY WORD-FOR-WORD*?
[23:14]	immibis	activelow: and WHY DO YOU KEEP BRINGING UP MINIMUM WAGE WHEN THAT IS 100% IRRELEVANT?
[23:14]	activelow	immibis: i got everythin written in email and invoices
[23:14]	immibis	activelow: good, so what do they say?
[23:15]	activelow	immibis: it says SALES INVOICE,  then the position of the spare board summing up to 0 Euros
[23:15]	MinceR	sepsinn: caffeinated drink
[23:15]	activelow	his argument was then he supposedly had not sold the board initially, which is true yet i did NOT know
[23:15]	immibis	activelow: what does it say next to 0 Euros?
[23:17]	activelow	sales invoice: board - devivery date - amount - price  -- sum total 0,00 Euros
[23:17]	activelow	problem the board i paid for was shipped by a different reseller to begin with which i did not know
[23:17]	immibis	there is no line item?
[23:18]	activelow	there is 4 line itmes, board cooler, power supply, and emmc (none of which i had ordered or demanded either)
[23:18]	activelow	problem the board i paid for was shipped by a different reseller to begin with which i did not know
[23:18]	activelow	and this was the problem, since i had returned the board otherwise but didn't know how to handle defect then if no spare remained
[23:19]	activelow	so, then i responded he should send me an sales invoice to be paid, two month ago, several times.
[23:19]	activelow	in parallel all resellers, amazon and the spare board supplier insisted on return and refund, leaving me without evidence
[23:20]	immibis	so you already returned the board and then they insisted that you need to return it, even though you already returned it?
[23:21]	activelow	i didn't return anything at all, i paid all invoices i had, insisted on issues being handled, and insisted on a corrected invoice for payment
[23:22]	immibis	"this was the problem, since i had returned the board"
[23:22]	activelow	sorry, "*if* I had returned the board (rk3399 of this vendor isn't shipped anywhere) then i had no evidence remaining"
[23:23]	activelow	so instead i insisted on a corrected invoice for payment, which he DENIED.
[23:23]	immibis	what evidence do you need?
[23:24]	activelow	and amazon and the other reseller too insisted on returning the boards which i had invested several weeks of development effort into: uncompensated.
[23:24]	activelow	although i told them explicitely i did NOT want return and refund.
[23:24]	immibis	it sounds like the seller thought he lent you the board
[23:25]	immibis	and therefore, he is suing you for refusing to return it. He is not obligated to accept a payment in lieu of return
[23:25]	immibis	and you think it was not lent
[23:25]	immibis	and the judge will decide whether it was lent or not
[23:26]	activelow	before i became aware of the issues i said to the reseller: i will handle the spare part with *care* and return it in time once i finished testing
[23:26]	activelow	then end of may after i had run out of patience i insisted on a corrected invoice which he DENIED
[23:27]	activelow	in the meantime i continued development of the gentoo libre firmware
[23:27]	activelow	sillicon valley denied to handle issues with the argument the resellers handled those, resellers argue they would refund only which i denied
[23:28]	immibis	okay well if the board was lent, you are stealingi t
[23:28]	immibis	okay well if the board was lent, you are stealing it
[23:29]	activelow	i am not stealing anything, i am working for zero income here, and paid for all the equipment to do so myself for which i received an invoice
[23:29]	immibis	but you paid 0 for this equipment because the seller thought you would give it back
[23:30]	activelow	since i did pay ALL the other parts i received an invoice for, several hundred euros, reported bugs, contacted resellers, vendors, developers
[23:30]	activelow	and for the spare board i asked for a corrected invoice for obvious reasons: to keep it to retain EVIDENCE!
[23:30]	immibis	which is why the seller is only expecting you to give back the equipment which you paid 0 for, not the rest of the equipment
[23:31]	immibis	WHY THE FUCK DO YOU KEEP SAYING EVIDENCE AS IF IT MEANS ANYTHING? (capital letters mandatory or you won't answer it)
[23:31]	activelow	well, now we arrive at "testing purpose" aren't we? isn't testing and development some work to be compensated? isn't it?
[23:32]	immibis	activelow: are you an employee of the seller?
[23:32]	activelow	immibis: where should i send my bill to?
[23:32]	immibis	activelow: are you an employee of the seller?
[23:32]	activelow	immibis: why wouldn't he deny a corrected invoice? i paid for ALL others.
[23:32]	immibis	activelow: are you an employee of the seller?
[23:33]	immibis	activelow: he is not obligated to accept a payment instead of a return
[23:33]	activelow	very good question, and this is what i want an answer for at court.
[23:33]	immibis	activelow: you want the court to answer whether you are an employee of the seller?
[23:33]	activelow	immibis: he is not obligated to receive anything at all if he does not provide a corrected invoice.
[23:33]	activelow	otherwise i recognise it as a gift for my development efforts.
[23:33]	immibis	activelow: he might be. Documents do not cause obligations. Obligations cause documents.
[23:34]	immibis	activelow: cool. I recognized your TV as a gift to me for my effort of noticing your door was unlocked
[23:35]	activelow	immibis: i did not ask for any spare part being provided, never! he sent it to me and i told him i will return once i finished testing.
[23:36]	activelow	then two month ago for obvious reasons I insisted to keep the spare board otherwise weeks of development work had potentially been futile.
[23:36]	immibis	activelow: What did he say, when he sent it to you?
[23:36]	activelow	so i insisted he sent a corrected invoice.
[23:36]	activelow	activelow: NOTHING.
[23:36]	Ariadne	jesus christ you all are still going on about this lol
[23:36]	immibis	activelow: Nothing? It just turned up on your doorstep one day?
[23:36]	activelow	initially i only talked to him to know if any issues are common, and if cooperation was of any interest.
[23:37]	activelow	he then said he would simply send some parts which i did NOT ask for at all. i wanted to know if any issues are commonly know.
[23:38]	sepsinn	jiminy cricket, somebody needs a beer
[23:39]	immibis	activelow: that's all he said? "I will send some parts"?
[23:39]	activelow	yes.
[23:39]	activelow	and anything else is documented in emails.
[23:40]	activelow	my last demand was 27th may him sending me a corrected invoice so i could send mine in return
[23:40]	immibis	activelow: Did he ask you to do work for him?
[23:41]	activelow	immibis: "for testing purpose", isn't testing any work?
[23:41]	immibis	activelow: It depends. He probably thought you wanted to do your own testing for yourself
[23:41]	immibis	"Hi I want this board so I can build Gentoo." "Okay here you go." "Great, now please pay me $100 for building Gentoo." "??? wtf"
[23:41]	activelow	certainly not since i reported the issues correctly.
[23:42]	activelow	gentoo isn't the problem here, that's fine for almost two month now.
[23:42]	activelow	he claims gentoo is the issue, which it isn't.
[23:43]	immibis	activelow: it sounds like there was no common understanding of what you were supposed to do with the boards - if he did not expect you to do work for him, there is no obligation to pay. Even if he did, he may have understood it was volunteer work
[23:44]	activelow	immibis: i did pay all invoices i received from him
[23:45]	immibis	so? It is expected that you pay when you buy hardware. That has nothing to do with him paying you.
[23:45]	activelow	sure, i do.
[23:45]	immibis	so what is your point by stating it?
[23:46]	immibis	anyway. If you won't give back your stolen hardware then feel free to go to court. hope you lose
[23:46]	activelow	you said i intended to steel, which i didn't
[23:46]	immibis	yes, you paid the invoice for borrowing hardware and then kept the hardware
[23:46]	immibis	probably
[23:46]	activelow	i didn't borrow anything either. i insisted he sent me a correct invoice.
[23:46]	immibis	the judge will decide it
[23:47]	immibis	insisting on an invoice doesn't mean you didn't borrow
[23:47]	immibis	but it also doesn't mean you did
[23:47]	immibis	the judge will decide it
[23:47]	activelow	i didn't do anything other than paying all invoices i got and working for zero income.
[23:48]	activelow	and yes, i cannot wait for the judge to decide.
[23:48]	activelow	and then i will.
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