●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, July 08, 2026 ●● ● Jul 08 [00:24] bms https://groups.csail.mit.edu/medg/people/psz/Licklider.html [00:24] TR Bot Man-Computer Symbiosis [00:24] bms I had to revisit JCR Licklider after mentioning Padlipsky's influence on Internet design philosophy earlier today in private chat with an old networks friend. Lick's predictions were, in my opinion, bang on about the symbiosis, and it was probably achieved by 2006. However, I believe he was off about cerebration by machines. That's manifestly not what we have, and Michael [00:24] bms Woolridge explains this far better than I could in his Royal Society lecture from February this year. [00:25] TR News the wild ones gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/gef/reflections/digitalMemories [00:25] bms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyyL0yDhr7I [00:25] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CyyL0yDhr7I [00:25] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CyyL0yDhr7I ) [00:25] TR News Shanel gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/gef/reflections/janet [00:27] TR News "My fingers miss vi's navigation commands, but I decided to use the editor this palmtop shipped with instead of the calvin vi I installed." gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/agk/2026-07-07-occ.txt [00:28] TR News "So I gotta pick a case for my project. I have many cases, but some of them still have old, functioning hardware still in them. I prefer not to sacrifice any of them just for this project, so I will leave them be. I don't think I will be using any of the rackmount chassis as well." gopher://sdf.org:70/1/users/xiled/phlog/2026/20260706_occ_d2 [00:29] TR News "I started by improving my setup a bit, by installing CygnusED on the Amiga "hard drive" (a Compact Flash card in reality) and organising the Gotek USB drive so I can actually find the Amiga disk image I'm using." gemini://pv.smol.pub/occ-2026-day-2 [00:30] TR News "Well, today was a bit of a washout. It was so hot (we're in a heatwave at the moment) that I wasted large chunks of the day asleep and the little I got done on this computer involved my Fedi scripts (I've approved the followers now) and hanging out on the IRC channel. 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[00:41] TR News Techrights Links 07/07/2026: Microsoft Cuts Doom "id Software" and Turkey Detains Journalists https://techrights.org/n/2026/07/07/Links_07_07_2026_Microsoft_Cuts_Doom_id_Software_and_Turkey_Det.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/07/07/Links_07_07_2026_Microsoft_Cuts_Doom_id_Software_and_Turkey_Det.gmi [00:41] TR Bot Techrights Links 07/07/2026: Microsoft Cuts Doom "id Software" and Turkey Detains Journalists [00:54] *x-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:55] *includeals has quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in) [00:55] *x-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@xk49uzi5amp4u.irc) has joined #techrights [00:55] *includeals (~includeal@2001:8a0:e95a:4e00::1c47) has joined #techrights [00:59] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. 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[01:13] TR News (NEW): Today in Techrights https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/07/08/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/07/08/Today_in_Techrights.gmi [01:13] TR Bot Tux Machines Today in Techrights [01:15] MinceR (cat) https://imgur.com/gallery/super-random-dump-cats-included-5EG8DSU [01:15] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://imgur.com/gallery/super-random-dump-cats-included-5EG8DSU ) [01:42] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:42] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:44] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) ● Jul 08 [02:05] admfubar watch out for the tardigrades... https://www.neowin.net/science/this-completely-unexpected-source-might-help-solve-global-ram-shortage-and-crisis/ [02:05] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.neowin.net/science/this-completely-unexpected-source-might-help-solve-global-ram-shortage-and-crisis/ ) [02:36] admfubar well that was nice of them!... https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-finally-fixes-bug-that-broke-all-major-windows-11-core-ui-components-on-some-pcs/ [02:36] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-finally-fixes-bug-that-broke-all-major-windows-11-core-ui-components-on-some-pcs/ ) [02:37] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:38] admfubar https://www.neowin.net/editorials/social-media-bans-for-kids-dont-protect-adults-against-harms-heres-what-you-can-do/ [02:38] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.neowin.net/editorials/social-media-bans-for-kids-dont-protect-adults-against-harms-heres-what-you-can-do/ ) [02:40] *wallacer (~quassel@2x2w4qfz3wksg.irc) has joined #techrights [02:46] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. 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Durnell unwinds corporate accountability for pesticides ● Jul 08 [04:08] *Goblin (~use@s7msgb3dypfqc.irc) has joined #techrights [04:09] admfubar https://www.rawstory.com/trump-cuts-2677162966/ [04:09] TR Bot Red state town blindsided by tornado blames Trump cuts for blown forecast - Raw Story [04:38] admfubar https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/chinese-memory-and-storage-firm-expected-to-post-more-than-60-000-percent-jump-in-profits-due-to-exploding-demand-lexar-owner-longsys-forecasts-nearly-usd1-5-billion-profit-for-1h26-compared-to-usd2-1-million-last-year [04:38] TR Bot Chinese memory and storage firm expected to post more than 60,000% jump in profits due to exploding demand Lexar owner Longsys forecasts nearly $1.5 billion profit for 1H26 compared to $2.1 million last year | Tom's Hardware [04:40] admfubar https://techxplore.com/news/2026-07-holographic-printer-3d-shot.html [04:40] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://techxplore.com/news/2026-07-holographic-printer-3d-shot.html ) 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https://techxplore.com/news/2026-07-rust-iron-term-storage-renewable.html [20:22] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://techxplore.com/news/2026-07-rust-iron-term-storage-renewable.html ) [20:27] admfubar https://techxplore.com/news/2026-07-india-battery-apps-stalled-rickshaw.html [20:27] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://techxplore.com/news/2026-07-india-battery-apps-stalled-rickshaw.html ) [20:51] admfubar well at least we wont be fulla sh!t here in the states... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jul/07/parasitic-illness-explosive-diarrhea [20:51] TR Bot Multiple US states see alarming increase in cases of parasitic illness that causes explosive diarrhea | US healthcare | The Guardian [20:52] MinceR lol [20:57] *nobody has quit (connection closed) [20:58] *nobody (~nobody@i8gtth78frzk8.irc) has joined #techrights [20:59] admfubar https://www.theregister.com/virtualization/2026/07/08/allstate-insurance-quits-broadcom-alleges-vengeful-license-audit-on-the-way-out/5268155 ● Jul 08 [21:00] TR Bot Allstate Insurance quits Broadcom, alleges vengeful license audit on the way out [21:01] admfubar comments are interesting... https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2026/07/08/202610/ [21:01] TR Bot Unexpected Windows bloat is due to bug, not by design The Register Forums [21:04] MinceR lol [21:04] MinceR "I found that uninstalling everything Dell, and SmartByte, seems to alleviate it" -- uninstalling everything microslop should alleviate it further [21:05] admfubar https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/drones/electric-drone-breaks-world-air-speed-record-at-434-mph-designed-for-anti-aircraft-interceptor-roles-german-firm-convincingly-smashed-the-official-409-mph-record-hopes-to-get-stamp-of-approval-from-guinness-soon [21:05] TR Bot Electric drone breaks world air speed record at 434 mph, designed for anti-aircraft interceptor roles German firm convincingly smashed the official 409 mph record, hopes to get stamp of approval from Guinness soon | Tom's Hardware [21:05] admfubar ;) [21:07] bms I done got sealioned on BSky so I just blocked the guy and logged his account privately [21:08] bms "It's wicked to mock the afflicted!" -- Frankie Howerd [21:09] admfubar wtf is sealioned? [21:10] bms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning#/media/File:Sealioning.png [21:10] TR Bot Sealioning - Wikipedia [21:10] bms the humble sealion in its natural habitat; usually social media [21:11] bms it isn't even a classic trolling or ad hominem attack, it's a bad faith attempt at debate or argument where the protagonist is essentialyl just trying to mentally DDoS you and your reason circuits [21:11] bms closely related to DARVO in some respects [21:17] admfubar oh you mean republican...;) [21:18] bms admfubar: nar. I think this person was some kind of Generative AI proponent. Most of my objections were scientifically grounded ones. It is pointless to try to engage with such people; they are often beyond reason. [21:18] admfubar republicans described to a tee... [21:21] MinceR they aren't republicans anyway [21:21] MinceR republicans don't abolish republics [21:22] bms the USA used to have a naval base for nuclear submarines in .scot, gone since the 90s. [21:25] admfubar MinceR: republicans don't abolish republics ,<< they're are working on it here [21:26] MinceR the Court With Sour Cream And Tomatoes already did it when they turned the president into a king [21:26] MinceR in 2024 [21:27] MinceR then the people elected a king in the same year [21:37] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [21:38] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Jul 08 [22:01] slartibartfast am I reaching? Or do I need to reg a nick to get voice? [22:06] MinceR you can just talk [22:14] slartibartfast Ok thanks MinceR [22:16] MinceR np [22:46] *Righty has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:50] *Righty (~Username@qttb8fv5eix72.irc) has joined #techrights [22:56] MinceR https://imgur.com/gallery/really-absorbed-teachings-AeE4fCU [22:56] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://imgur.com/gallery/really-absorbed-teachings-AeE4fCU ) ● Jul 08 [23:44] *Goblin has quit (Quit: Leaving)