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| schestowitz__ | [23:49] <DaemonFC[m]> The Linux kernel developers themselves should concern everyone. | Sep 08 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The push for LTS kernels really comes from companies like Google who want Android vendors to have stable ABIs for proprietary drivers. Since that's not a guarantee in the kernel, LTS kernels effectively make it a guarantee for the life of that series. | Sep 08 00:00 |
| schestowitz__ | BTW, that article where I quoted you on linus and debconf... almost 100k people have read it, maybe more (hard to tell; it's also in the mainstream media today) | Sep 08 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't see anything wrong with distributions riding on top of an LTS kernel because someone else's business made it necessary. | Sep 08 00:01 |
| Ariadne | i need to go to the butcher shop before it starts snowing. bbl | Sep 08 00:01 |
| schestowitz__ | Minnie the Butcher | Sep 08 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: It is? Where? | Sep 08 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.fudzilla.com/news/51489-a-morality-cabal-of-debian-users-tried-to-knife-torvalds | Sep 08 00:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fudzilla.com | A morality cabal of Debian users tried to knife Torvalds | Sep 08 00:02 | |
| schestowitz__ | also about 500 comments i can see around the Web, maybe a lot more | Sep 08 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: I'm thinking about downgrading back to a feature phone with a GPS program an phone calls. | Sep 08 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't really use apps too much anyway. | Sep 08 00:02 |
| schestowitz__ | does the hotel have landlines? | Sep 08 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | so long as you don't have to share dial and handle | Sep 08 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | like communal one... not a good time for those because of coronavirus | Sep 08 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | or use voip on laptop | Sep 08 00:03 |
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| *schestowitz__ midnight... uploads IRC logs | Sep 08 00:04 | |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: you can use old phones without sim | Sep 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | just wifi | Sep 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | and put voip on those | Sep 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | it's like a tablet basically | Sep 08 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | (better mic though, smaller size) | Sep 08 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: bad time to get a 'phone | Sep 08 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | even trump's "secret service" gets access to all this data | Sep 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | so they can 'bag' people they perceive to be domestic 'enemy' (of Trump) | Sep 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | if we're to learn anything from corona "emergency powers", it's that all those bits of data they collect can and will be used only against you | Sep 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | e.g. to put you in 'home arrest' based on your walking routes alone | Sep 08 00:09 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz__ "does the hotel have landlines?"> Yeah, for local calls. | Sep 08 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You have to jiggle the line to make it work. I think the wall outlet is shorted. | Sep 08 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: I saw a news article today. Illinois is spending $200 million on contact tracing. It was about the Lake County Health Department calling people and telling them they may have been exposed. | Sep 08 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | you can make calls from that to cellphones | Sep 08 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | and to landline, i'm aware fewer people have these those days | Sep 08 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think they probably get that info from people's phones. Like the COVID-1984 spyware that suddenly popped up in Mandy's iPhone firmware. | Sep 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | so the question is, how often do you REALLY need to place a call 'on the go'? | Sep 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: "may have been exposed" is useless | Sep 08 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: Not often. I got by with a cheap prepaid phone for years that I just topped up infrequently. | Sep 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | iceland experimented with this contact-tracing BS | Sep 08 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Didn't even have it turned on most of the time. | Sep 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | and said it was junk | Sep 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | worse than useless, then dumped it | Sep 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | in the US it's too prevalent now to be of any use | Sep 08 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They call you up, Roy, and they go "This is the Lake County health department. Do you know why we're calling you today?". | Sep 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | Israel gave secret special powers to spies.... over people's cell data | Sep 08 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told the COVID-19 survey that I would immediately hang up on a contact tracer. | Sep 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | and now it's a COVID hotspot | Sep 08 00:14 |
| oiaohm | contact tracing in Australia has mostly been manual the application on phones has not done much use. | Sep 08 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not alone, either. About 26% told Gallup that. | Sep 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | almost more cases than Canada and Ukraine.... vastly bigger countries | Sep 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | contact tracing can only be used against you... false positives included | Sep 08 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's useless. You have 50 different states in the US and some have motorcycle rallies with no masks that draw 250,000 people. You have people going to church with no masks. | Sep 08 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $200 million of contact tracing. Eat my bankrupt ass. | Sep 08 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people install the Australian contact tracing application then completely disable bluetooth so basically bricking the app from collecting anything. | Sep 08 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Reason why people have been disabling bluetooth is not privacy but to extend phone battery life. | Sep 08 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's $200 million down the drain, and in the middle of this they draw people away from their regular work on Tuberculosis and HIV case management. | Sep 08 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fucking hell. This is nuts. | Sep 08 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | the name contact tracing is awful | Sep 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | it's like what FB was caught for | Sep 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | finding out who met who | Sep 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | and then suggesting "Friends" | Sep 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | some suspected they even covertly enabled microphones for that | Sep 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | not just cell proximity and maybe BT | Sep 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | bluetooth | Sep 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | now the state does this "to protect you" | Sep 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | Facebook we might just... was a "test run" | Sep 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | in east germany they did it by hand | Sep 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | person x is bad | Sep 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | met y | Sep 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | hence y is one degree away | Sep 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | drone strikes do lots of that | Sep 08 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: They have "sources" like every app you use on your phone selling Facebook data about you. | Sep 08 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like Grindr, which even tells them if you told Grindr your HIV status. | Sep 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | casaulty x knew y, hence connected to terror group | Sep 08 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is why Grindr is "free". | Sep 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | (could be a spouse) | Sep 08 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're getting info from people that wouldn't be legal for your doctor to tell them. | Sep 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | DNA | Sep 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | look up "dna fbi" | Sep 08 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The police are getting information from you that you would never say at a police station. | Sep 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | they buy data people upload | Sep 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | including their relatives' | Sep 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | then they use that to convict people, retroactively, or justify some dodgy conviction | Sep 08 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, justice Hugo Black once said that it is the defendant's right to shut up and make the state prove everything. | Sep 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | contact-tracing = we want more detailed social graphs | Sep 08 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But you shut up and then they bring in all this shit your phone told them. What you posted on Facebook. | Sep 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | who knows who, which person speaks to who, how long for, what about | Sep 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz__ | social control tactics... and cash payments traced further as well | Sep 08 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not doing anything to slow the virus down, at all. | Sep 08 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | [00:19] <DaemonFC[m]> Yeah, justice Hugo Black once said that it is the defendant's right to shut up and make the state prove everything. | Sep 08 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | 5th amendment or 4th iirc | Sep 08 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | in the past they'd physically torture you | Sep 08 00:20 |
| schestowitz__ | not it's psycholgical | Sep 08 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | plea bargains and stuff | Sep 08 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | life in prison or tell us everything you know, tell the public you've been a "naughty buy/girl" (even if not) | Sep 08 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | *boy | Sep 08 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | it's a form of psychlogical abuse | Sep 08 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | manipulation | Sep 08 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | but with lots of surveillance done they have disproportional forces over individuals | Sep 08 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | I assume all calls are recorded (not necessarily accessed and analysed), unless they become of interest later or your become PoI (person of interest) | Sep 08 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I took a plea bargain because they were threatening me with so much worse if I went to court and lost. | Sep 08 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | GCHQ around 2006 (IIRC) was revealed to be recording all/most calls | Sep 08 00:23 |
| kingoffrance | yes, right to remain silent is a negative form of freedom of speech; there is no freedom of speech if ppl make you say things you dont want to say | Sep 08 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Snowden did not shed enough light on that, his repo came from NSA knowledgebases | Sep 08 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Also if you don't have person doing in contact tracing by disable bluetooth you have person with iphones who bluetooth device is not that great https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/17/covid-safe-app-australia-covidsafe-contact-tracing-australian-government-covid19-tracking-problems-working | Sep 08 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Australia's Covidsafe coronavirus tracing app works as few as one in four times for some devices | Health | The Guardian | Sep 08 00:23 | |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: 97% of cases end in plea bargains | Sep 08 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Remaining silent when the police want you to talk still has value even if you don't go to court. | Sep 08 00:23 |
| schestowitz__ | I read that earlier today, in an interview with Assange's lawyers in the US | Sep 08 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Theoretically they might have a weaker case that results in a more lenient plea deal. | Sep 08 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even at the least, you won't make any false statements. | Sep 08 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | short story: | Sep 08 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | don't get a phone | Sep 08 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | we've seen enough | Sep 08 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | use landline, assume it is tapped | Sep 08 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which they like to add later if you beat the original charge but said something they can prove is false. | Sep 08 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | or use something like jitsi | Sep 08 00:24 |
| schestowitz__ | that may still not protect you from what people say ABOUT you over lines, social media etc. | Sep 08 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My lawyer pulled the police report and I asked him how bad it was. | Sep 08 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | but second-hand testimonies are weak, not from horse's own mouth | Sep 08 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He said, "Well, the good news is it's not worse than we thought it was.". | Sep 08 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz__ "but second-hand testimonies are "> Well, if you admitted something like "I yelled at him while waving a knife around." it would go from your ex and his new squeeze who have every reason to want you convicted to get you out of the house. | Sep 08 00:26 |
| kingoffrance | its also basically not a valid contract if someone makes you sign something or otherwise affirm something under duress; right to remain silent is very important beyond just dealing with cops/courts etc.; its basic contract law, in essence | Sep 08 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To...... "He admitted everything they told us.". | Sep 08 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes facts can be presented in several ways. Reasonable doubt might come up if the only people talking to the police might have an ulterior motive. | Sep 08 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's informally called "Putting the witness on trial.". | Sep 08 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Prosecutors don't like those cases. | Sep 08 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if you didn't talk to the police, and his witnesses are flawed.... | Sep 08 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <kingoffrance "its also basically not a valid c"> One of the questions the judge asks is "Is anyone making you say this under duress?". | Sep 08 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course they are. They're threatening to throw me in jail and toss the key in the trash, | Sep 08 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But you have to play the game. | Sep 08 00:29 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: really being silent may not always be best option. Having the very worse case answer every question with a question can result in the police office giving over information they should not. | Sep 08 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: I was alluding to a different scenario | Sep 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | let me explain | Sep 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | people occasionally become targets of witch-hunts | Sep 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | then, there's a fishing expedition for anything they may have done wrong/immoral/illegal | Sep 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | and it is then that a well-funded power-hungry gov/corp/army can pick up "leads" | Sep 08 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, throw it all at them and see what sticks. | Sep 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | sometimes in conjunction with discovery or parallel construction | Sep 08 00:31 |
| kingoffrance | yeah dont disagree DaemonFC[m] i was just trying to emphasize even if it wasnt an amendment, its freedom of speech + needed for other things | Sep 08 00:31 |
| kingoffrance | its inherent to many things | Sep 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | so you want to ensure you don't say much about yourself not just on public record but.... RECORD | Sep 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | but that may not prevent others saying thing about you in/on either | Sep 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz__ | unless you tell them very little about you and your life | Sep 08 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the bankruptcy is public information. | Sep 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | many phonecalls go like, "x told me y did Z" | Sep 08 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I turned recap off while accessing my own obviously. | Sep 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | from there it is possible to build all sorts of scenarios and dive deeper, open source intel' | Sep 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | gossip mills are gold mines | Sep 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | (e.g. you talking publicly about John's CP) | Sep 08 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | I reported this to TSA | Sep 08 00:34 |
| schestowitz__ | They might have even sought a search warrant | Sep 08 00:34 |
| schestowitz__ | and we might never know | Sep 08 00:34 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe they just leave me in the dark about the whole thing; other people had already complained about him | Sep 08 00:34 |
| schestowitz__ | telling me anything back might compromise the probe by potentially alerting the search's subject | Sep 08 00:35 |
| schestowitz__ | *target | Sep 08 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I felt disgusted by it. What I should have done was go to the police about it immediately and tell them where his laptop was. | Sep 08 00:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: There's this thing called once bitten, twice shy. You know. | Sep 08 00:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think a lot of the reason I didn't go to the police was because they've come after me with misdemeanors and were quite mean about it in the past and I just instinctively avoided the possibility of a police encounter that would go wrong. | Sep 08 00:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm glad that the bankruptcy finally made my independence from John official. I have no financial ties with him anymore, by court order, and if he screws up on the car payments they just take it away and sue him. | Sep 08 00:48 |
| schestowitz__ | you are better off away from the police | Sep 08 00:48 |
| schestowitz__ | everyone is | Sep 08 00:48 |
| schestowitz__ | at all times | Sep 08 00:48 |
| schestowitz__ | I filed the report from the UK | Sep 08 00:48 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe they can chain that with other complainants one day | Sep 08 00:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody should be afraid to go to the police to report a crime, unfortunately they must be. | Sep 08 00:49 |
| schestowitz__ | but... I did what I needed to do | Sep 08 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because the cops are like a rabid dog that could decide to bite anyone. | Sep 08 00:49 |
| schestowitz__ | so it's off my consciousness... no guilt if I reported what I had heard | Sep 08 00:49 |
| schestowitz__ | [00:49] <DaemonFC[m]> Because the cops are like a rabid dog that could decide to bite anyone. | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | they have quotas | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | that's the issue | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | every person is a potential score | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | and they can frame or trump up charges | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | so it's enough reason to not be on their radar, ever | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | don't be on their DB, never become a person of interest | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | a potential "hit" -- something to help them inflate numbers | Sep 08 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't trust them, at all. Not one little bit. | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | if you give them a testimony, you're already on their system | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | and if the accused looks for revenge, they can look for ways to beat you up, blackmail you etc. | Sep 08 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: So little of what the government does is ever what it claims to be anyway, but the police are absolutely never to be trusted. | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | I made it clear when I gave eyewitness testimony that I'd refuse to attend court to give any further details. That's the police's job | Sep 08 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you get called into court and don't show up, that's a crime. | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | they dropped me off in a place other than my home, I could be attacked by friends of the attackers who were still nearby... I was merely a witness of them beating some dude unconscious and IIRC I am also the one who called the cop | Sep 08 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can be arrested and held in contempt. | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | [00:52] <DaemonFC[m]> If you get called into court and don't show up, that's a crime. | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | not if your reasoning is, I don't want to be a target of the thugs whom I called the police on | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | also, if they knock the door for potential testimony and you don't answer the door, you're OK | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | as long as the event had nothing to do with you or your own home | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | I wrote about all this publicly | Sep 08 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: After I went to court to face the guy that pulled the gun on me, I didn't leave my apartment for the next 4 months and then moved to the opposite side of the city. | Sep 08 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/04/14/police-protection/ | Sep 08 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Why I Believe British Police Serves and Protects Only Itself (and Maybe the Rich/Powerful) | Sep 08 00:54 | |
| schestowitz__ | I updated this with one more incident later | Sep 08 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The way things work down there is you testify against someone, they might take a plea deal, and then they order someone lower than them to go shoot you. | Sep 08 00:55 |
| schestowitz__ | and I think it's a complete record... they never really solved crimes I reported to them | Sep 08 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You could be walking one block to the Chinese restaurant 3 months later and some 13 year old pulls a gun and shoots you. | Sep 08 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You need to get out of there immediately. | Sep 08 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you can't, don't come out of the house, and if you have to, don't linger anywhere outside. | Sep 08 00:56 |
| schestowitz__ | read up my experiences | Sep 08 00:57 |
| schestowitz__ | I just did quickly, to refresh my memoty | Sep 08 00:57 |
| schestowitz__ | I think that covers 20+ years in Manchester | Sep 08 00:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The guy was refusing to take a plea deal because normally people don't show up in court. I walked into court and he tugged on his lawyer's jacket and whispered and the lawyer motioned the judge that "against my advice, my client wants to take the prosecutor's offer". | Sep 08 00:57 |
| schestowitz__ | the update alludes to what I think was the earliest encountered, which was more of an encounter with the police horse :-) | Sep 08 00:57 |
| schestowitz__ | *encountered/encounter | Sep 08 00:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He figured he'd take his chances and plan on me not showing up, then when I did, he asked for a deal. | Sep 08 00:58 |
| schestowitz__ | it's a good thing those goons rarely carry weapons/firearms here | Sep 08 00:58 |
| schestowitz__ | today we saw PCSOs confronting some man near the water canal | Sep 08 00:58 |
| schestowitz__ | they seemed friendly, I think they just don't want dodgy people hanging out in those places where people feel unsafe around them | Sep 08 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Black people don't cooperate with the police, so half the time the state can't proceed. | Sep 08 00:59 |
| schestowitz__ | we also saw a pack of 4 homeless people probably doing hard drugs and talking trash... hours ago | Sep 08 00:59 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: who can blame them? | Sep 08 00:59 |
| schestowitz__ | Look at the cops' record and perceived record with blacks | Sep 08 01:00 |
| schestowitz__ | If I were black, I'd develop a strong sense of smell for cops | Sep 08 01:00 |
| schestowitz__ | brb, work calling | Sep 08 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The way a plea deal works is when the deal is signed, the judge asks the prosecutor "What would the state have said had this gone to trial.". The prosecutor said, "The defendant held a .40 caliber long slide firearm on Mr. Farmer and said 'Give me everything in your pockets. We're not fucking with you. Give us everything you have or you're dead.". | Sep 08 01:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Another memory I don't want. | Sep 08 01:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It came right back while he was saying it too. | Sep 08 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They probably would have all gotten away except that I remembered his face staring right at me and those bright red shoes and bright red jacket. | Sep 08 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The other two got away. The ones that were holding me. But he was staring right at me and mugging me with this ridiculous "stand out like a sore thumb" outfit on. | Sep 08 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, had he been wearing just regular colored clothing he probably wouldn't have stood out when the cops rounded up what had to have been 20 people. But there he was right outside the convenience store and I had him spotted as soon as we pulled up in the police car. | Sep 08 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know what it is about black people. They have to be all blinged out. | Sep 08 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they don't have two nickels to rub together, it's all name brand clothes. $200 shoes. All that. | Sep 08 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's some far-right websites I read on Tor along with a lot of other stuff. When I searched "Why are black people so loud?" there was a whole forum topic about it. | Sep 08 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of the replies was "Because they're so primitive that the loudest one usually gets what it wants.". | Sep 08 01:07 |
| MinceR | why are people so loud in general? | Sep 08 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I laughed, and then I was like "Well, that's just dumb people in general. They get louder and louder when they lose an argument.". | Sep 08 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh the guy next door is so obnoxious that I have earplugs all over this house. | Sep 08 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I finally found the best kind to wear to block out that shitty noise and I've been sleeping like a baby ever since. | Sep 08 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I heard him outside going "You a dumbass hoe. I been working all day!". | Sep 08 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Well, at least I learned something. He does work, although I can't imagine doing what. Also, his girlfriend is a dumbass hoe.". | Sep 08 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "They have the most peculiar terms of endearment.". | Sep 08 01:10 |
| schestowitz__ | [01:07] <MinceR> why are people so loud in general? | Sep 08 01:10 |
| schestowitz__ | extroverts | Sep 08 01:10 |
| MinceR | ew | Sep 08 01:10 |
| schestowitz__ | the typos who speak UP on their 'phone' in public transport | Sep 08 01:10 |
| schestowitz__ | craving 'audience' | Sep 08 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: You mean a KEN WINS. | Sep 08 01:11 |
| schestowitz__ | "no, thank you, I don't f*ing care what you say to your mate" | Sep 08 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://breakingbad.fandom.com/wiki/Ken | Sep 08 01:11 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: ^ | Sep 08 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of these. | Sep 08 01:11 |
| schestowitz__ | I heard of it | Sep 08 01:11 |
| schestowitz__ | but never watch TV | Sep 08 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A loud obnoxious guy shouting into a bluetooth headset, oblivious to the pain in the ass he is to the world around him. | Sep 08 01:13 |
| schestowitz__ | I keep telling people, | Sep 08 01:13 |
| schestowitz__ | don't speak up | Sep 08 01:14 |
| schestowitz__ | the mics are high quality | Sep 08 01:14 |
| schestowitz__ | they can pick up the voice and adjust/calibrate volume | Sep 08 01:14 |
| schestowitz__ | but it's not about what they claim to be "I WANT THEM TO HEAR ME!" (the other person, on the line) | Sep 08 01:14 |
| schestowitz__ | seems like an excuse for, I want an audience | Sep 08 01:14 |
| schestowitz__ | "because my life is so exciting" | Sep 08 01:14 |
| schestowitz__ | They CAN speak up, if they're in a very noisy environment | Sep 08 01:15 |
| schestowitz__ | like factory floor | Sep 08 01:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy can sleep just fine with that shithead's shitty music coming through the wall at 3 AM. | Sep 08 01:15 |
| schestowitz__ | because then the DSP will pick their voice over the noise in the background | Sep 08 01:16 |
| schestowitz__ | though good DSP (or DAQs?) should be able to discern noise from voice at a hardware level, by default, anyway... | Sep 08 01:16 |
| schestowitz__ | just as they pick feedback loop (voice fed back through speaker phone) | Sep 08 01:16 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: I can sleep with music provided i am very tired | Sep 08 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not this crap. | Sep 08 01:17 |
| schestowitz__ | and depending on the music, like nature's noise and monotonous, not like movie with "action" segments" | Sep 08 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Black people like bass because it's easier to annoy people with it and draw attention to themselves. | Sep 08 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The absolute last thing they want are speakers with a "flat" profile. | Sep 08 01:18 |
| schestowitz__ | that has nothing to do with ethnicity or skin colour | Sep 08 01:18 |
| schestowitz__ | though 'urban' music is what you might hear more often | Sep 08 01:18 |
| schestowitz__ | your country has a heritage of slavery | Sep 08 01:18 |
| schestowitz__ | so the US 'underclass' is often descendants of slaves | Sep 08 01:18 |
| schestowitz__ | you sound a lot like your parents and you don't realise it | Sep 08 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Worst idea ever. Of course, the people who brought them here weren't worried about the problems they'd be creating for the rest of time. | Sep 08 01:19 |
| schestowitz__ | trumpism | Sep 08 01:19 |
| schestowitz__ | again | Sep 08 01:19 |
| schestowitz__ | "brought them here" | Sep 08 01:19 |
| schestowitz__ | as if you insinuate "send them 'back'..." | Sep 08 01:19 |
| schestowitz__ | anyway, I'm done here. | Sep 08 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Uh no, he plays to those idiots who wave Confederate flags. | Sep 08 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Confederates are the reason we're dealing with urban crime and rot that will never be solved. | Sep 08 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'd think that a proper racist would hate the Confederacy for that. The idea of waving their flag around everywhere. | Sep 08 01:20 |
| XRevan86 | Amazing, but the Russian underclass is a lot like that, who would've thought | Sep 08 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What, ridiculous music, bling bling, urban areas like a war torn country? | Sep 08 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The public transit brings the crime to you. | Sep 08 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why do you think that suburb people lobby to keep buses and trains out? | Sep 08 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John was talking about the Nation of Islam idiots out protesting gays, Jews, and white people. | Sep 08 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Yeah, and next to a red line track. It's an auger. It brings all the shit up here.". | Sep 08 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can look at a crime map. | Sep 08 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In every neighborhood the red line goes through, crime is high near the stops. | Sep 08 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where do they put the expensive apartments? Next to the tracks. | Sep 08 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Some Arabian-style music from the streets was helping me sleep yesterday. | Sep 08 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | probably Caucasian | Sep 08 01:25 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: do people like listening to the train at night? | Sep 08 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd be more worried about the public masterbators stabbing people with screwdrivers, honestly. | Sep 08 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That happened while I lived in Rogers Park. | Sep 08 01:26 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://www.reportdoor.com/building-wakanda-venturebeat/ | Sep 08 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reportdoor.com | Building Wakanda | VentureBeat - Report Door | Sep 08 01:46 | |
| schestowitz__ | "The Black Panther presents a vision of a place called Wakanda, but it has also inspired the idea of building tech in the spirit of Wakanda. On Tuesday, rapper Akon rolled out plans to build what he calls a real-life Wakanda on 2,000 acres of the Senegalese coastline. He first shared his concept of a futuristic, technologically advanced city in 2018 and said it will welcome members of the African diaspora. The Washington Post reports | Sep 08 01:46 |
| schestowitz__ | the project has secured $4 billion of the $6 billion investment necessary to build Akon City." | Sep 08 01:46 |
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| XRevan86 | So, Skolkovo? :) | Sep 08 01:47 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: I have a close friend who lives near the oxford road train station | Sep 08 01:47 |
| schestowitz__ | so they hear the screeching of brakes | Sep 08 01:47 |
| schestowitz__ | and had to spend a lot of money modifying the windows to tolerate all this overnight | Sep 08 01:48 |
| schestowitz__ | the trains also operate at odd times | Sep 08 01:48 |
| MinceR | sounds horrible | Sep 08 01:49 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | There is a Wauconda, Illinois. | Sep 08 01:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Polaks | Sep 08 01:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All the Polaks you could ever want. | Sep 08 01:53 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <MinceR "sounds horrible"> Eventually, you get used to it. | Sep 08 01:55 |
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| schestowitz__ | like chirping of fire alarms | Sep 08 01:55 |
| schestowitz__ | (low on battery) | Sep 08 01:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't confirm or deny what I do with smoke detectors. | Sep 08 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What do you do? They hit fire alarms to "test" it every month and it goes off like 8 times in 2 hours. | Sep 08 01:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eventually you might just disconnect it. | Sep 08 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Are Polyaks bling-blang too? | Sep 08 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not that I can tell. They are very conservative though. | Sep 08 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Republicans have 1 out of 50 seats on the Chicago city council. | Sep 08 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's the Polak/cop district around O'Hare airport. | Sep 08 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think it was like 14 Democrats and 2 Republicans on the Cook County board of commissioners. | Sep 08 02:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Guy downstairs bought a drone. | Sep 08 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Thought someone was down there with power tools. | Sep 08 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gotta do something to amuse yourself these days, I guess. | Sep 08 02:19 |
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| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: I'll start writing some articles shortly | Sep 08 02:31 |
| schestowitz__ | going to get third coffee for the night | Sep 08 02:31 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: please try to keep offtopic | Sep 08 02:31 |
| schestowitz__ | the indecent remarks on races don't help techrights | Sep 08 02:31 |
| schestowitz__ | if you must make those comments, post them elsewhere to cause damage to other forums | Sep 08 02:32 |
| schestowitz__ | (not here) | Sep 08 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ah, right. | Sep 08 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that their government invites mockery by passing laws making it illegal to accuse Poles of assisting the Holocaust and stuff. | Sep 08 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Laws like this have never ended well. The US had the House Un-American Activities Committee for a while, until nobody took it seriously anymore. | Sep 08 02:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The cooperation, a lot of it, was voluntary. When people started seeing others stand up to it by going in there dressed as Santa Claus or a Revolutionary War soldier and blowing chewing gum bubbles and just generally rolling their eyes and not answering their questions, it all fell apart. | Sep 08 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The terror that it was able to inflict was only to the extent that people took them seriously. | Sep 08 02:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I formally accuse the Polish people of assisting the Holocaust. Not because I'm prepared to back that up with anything, but just because their law doesn't apply to me and invites contempt. | Sep 08 02:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not possible to legislate away behavior, or substances, or thoughts. | Sep 08 02:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government can come up with punishments if it catches you, but people always defy it anyway, some because they're just not smart. | Sep 08 02:38 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The criminal mind doesn't consider punishment the same way normal people do, so it's debatable whether locking people up has any effect beyond the temporary removal of their presence in society. | Sep 08 02:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, that's what's going on in this country. | Sep 08 02:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There are more criminals than the government could ever lock up at once. | Sep 08 02:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So no matter how many are locked up at once, there's more. There's more rapists, more murderers, more drug dealers, more rioters, looters, and everything else. | Sep 08 02:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd say that the state is on the verge of collapse and nobody really appreciates how close we are to that. | Sep 08 02:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The mass media will never admit it until it's already over. | Sep 08 02:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The US government was planning on the Soviet Union being around indefinitely. The collapse caught US intelligence completely off guard. | Sep 08 02:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was apparently some Russian professor that saw the US breaking up into like 6 countries. | Sep 08 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think it'll happen. I mean there will be something calling itself the United States for a while. | Sep 08 02:42 |
| schestowitz__ | Torvalds has responded to our article | Sep 08 02:43 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.itwire.com/open-sauce/since-when-are-six-year-old-comments-by-torvalds-newsworthy.html | Sep 08 02:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Since when are six-year-old comments by Torvalds newsworthy? | Sep 08 02:44 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Honestly, I think those emails are more about Debian culture than they are about me, and you should probably ask the Debian people about them rather than me," was Torvalds' response | Sep 08 02:44 |
| schestowitz__ | I had to look up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorific | Sep 08 02:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Honorific - Wikipedia | Sep 08 02:45 | |
| schestowitz__ | first time I see this term | Sep 08 02:45 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe common in Australia | Sep 08 02:45 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Prophecies of the US falling apart right about now or the dollar failing in the next few years go around Russia since the 90s. | Sep 08 02:45 |
| schestowitz__ | "I would have liked to elicit a comment from the good doctor too, but he seems to be stuck in the era of IRC. However if he does respond — he has my email address — I will certainly give his opinion an airing." | Sep 08 02:45 |
| schestowitz__ | This is nonsense | Sep 08 02:45 |
| schestowitz__ | I also can use email and social control media | Sep 08 02:45 |
| schestowitz__ | he pretends I only ever avail myself over irc | Sep 08 02:45 |
| schestowitz__ | which is untrue | Sep 08 02:45 |
| schestowitz__ | and relaying on a public old standard | Sep 08 02:46 |
| schestowitz__ | like irc | Sep 08 02:46 |
| schestowitz__ | isn't a negativr | Sep 08 02:46 |
| schestowitz__ | I first used irc when i was about 13 | Sep 08 02:46 |
| schestowitz__ | and it still works | Sep 08 02:46 |
| schestowitz__ | very cross-platform | Sep 08 02:46 |
| schestowitz__ | and reliable | Sep 08 02:46 |
| schestowitz__ | unlike proprietary bloat | Sep 08 02:46 |
| schestowitz__ | anyway, no point replying to this | Sep 08 02:46 |
| schestowitz__ | he's close to the DPLs | Sep 08 02:46 |
| schestowitz__ | as his past articles/interviews show | Sep 08 02:46 |
| schestowitz__ | so has an ax to grind | Sep 08 02:46 |
| schestowitz__ | cannot leave anonymous comments, either | Sep 08 02:48 |
| schestowitz__ | he links to techrights in 2 places and my own site in 1 | Sep 08 02:49 |
| schestowitz__ | with broken links in all 3 | Sep 08 02:49 |
| schestowitz__ | using httpd | Sep 08 02:49 |
| schestowitz__ | https | Sep 08 02:49 |
| schestowitz__ | which obviously isn't enabled | Sep 08 02:49 |
| schestowitz__ | I wonder if this was intentional | Sep 08 02:50 |
| schestowitz__ | which would he put in URLs that do not work? | Sep 08 02:50 |
| schestowitz__ | I will email him... | Sep 08 02:50 |
| schestowitz__ | will then paste here | Sep 08 02:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: People promoted Slack for a while and then it fizzled out. | Sep 08 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's what happens with centralization. | Sep 08 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't tear down IRC because it's not a secret how it works. | Sep 08 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People don't even think about IRC anymore. If you go on probation they want to know about Facebook or Twitter. | Sep 08 02:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Be where they aren't. They want to know about the platforms that "everyone uses" that always cooperate if they ask for data. | Sep 08 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's very much a 90/10 problem here with law enforcement, schestowitz__ | Sep 08 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can catch 90% of the people they want with 10% the effort by concentrating on like 5 or 6 tech companies. | Sep 08 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Slack could have turned into that. We should be glad it went out of style quickly. | Sep 08 03:01 |
| schestowitz__ | ok, done | Sep 08 03:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Re: "I would have liked to elicit a comment from the good doctor too, but he seems to be stuck in the era of IRC. However if he does respond — he has my email address — I will certainly give his opinion an airing." | Sep 08 03:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Hi, | Sep 08 03:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Good morning... (Australia time) | Sep 08 03:14 |
| schestowitz__ | I cannot find Sam's current E-mail address (only the above one, which might have expired already). I spent some time searching online to no avail. I could try guessing the E-mail address, but would rather not make guesses. | Sep 08 03:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Please pass my regards to Sam; he has been doing good work and I wish the RSS feeds of the site worked as well as they used to. Because I'm trying to subscribe to what I can. | Sep 08 03:14 |
| schestowitz__ | This isn't a rant, for I respect freedom of the press, even if Sam disagrees with me in this case. | Sep 08 03:14 |
| schestowitz__ | I want to clarify that I also use email and social control media (Twitter, Mastodon etc.), so reaching me is really simple. And yes, I still use IRC and am always relying on a public old standards; this isn't a negative as I first used IRC when i was about 13 and it still works, it is very cross-platform and highly reliable unlike proprietary bloat (e.g. Slack). | Sep 08 03:14 |
| schestowitz__ | Nitpicking aside, the point replying to this is (I cannot leave a comment in the site and anonymous/guest comments aren't possible, either) is amicable clarification: | Sep 08 03:14 |
| schestowitz__ | 1. The article links to techrights in 2 places and my own site in 1 place, albeit with broken links in all 3 (using https, which obviously isn't enabled). I wonder if this was intentional or perhaps the CMS (Joomla, I believe) doing protocol conversion automatically. | Sep 08 03:14 |
| schestowitz__ | 2. I think the reply from Linus speaks for itself. I myself am a Debian user (my wife is also) and have nothing against its community. To better understand the disclosure of these E-mail one needs to read the past articles we did about Debian (in recent weeks). We explain repeatedly why those older E-mails are being divulged. I made it quite clear, both in my post (and later in the comments) that those aren't new but newly-disclosed. | Sep 08 03:14 |
| schestowitz__ | We published over 8,000 debian-private emails from the 1990s last Saturday). For the first time! | Sep 08 03:14 |
| schestowitz__ | 3. Amusingly I wrote about how people nitpick on articles when the message is not convenient just 24 hours ago: | Sep 08 03:14 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2020/09/06/excuses-and-distractions/ | Sep 08 03:15 |
| schestowitz__ | First in this list: “It’s old news” | Sep 08 03:15 |
| schestowitz__ | The "opportunist [who] has reproduced Dr Schestowitz's post" isn't my fault; I don't know this person. I also don't control how it's presented and what comments may say. We keep things polite and professional under our watch, albeit Internet trolls may flame and make it appear as though provocation was the goal. It wasn't. We did many articles about Torvalds lately. We wrote about 1000 articles during June to present. We go deep into | Sep 08 03:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How to Spot Diversion Tactics (Excuses and Distractions From Articles Not Convenient to the Reader) | Techrights | Sep 08 03:15 | |
| schestowitz__ | issues, leaks being of use as evidence difficult enough to dispute. | Sep 08 03:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Slashdot is a site we dislike (see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Slashdot ) and would rather not be judged by how it presents us. The people who run the site are not trustworthy and have not been trustworthy for over a decade. | Sep 08 03:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Slashdot - Techrights | Sep 08 03:15 | |
| schestowitz__ | Thanks again, Sam (and Andrew), for good journalism. If you can integrate any of the above into the article, it would be greatly appreciated. | Sep 08 03:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Regards, | Sep 08 03:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Roy | Sep 08 03:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Re FSF President: | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > But was he treasurer by choice? | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > Little text-based venn diagram: | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > /[ stuff that matters to us/ *[* ? /]/ *stuff treasurers do ]* | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > IMO it doesn't matter if he was treasurer by choice, only if he did | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > anything as treasurer that was related to our complaints. | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > We (I at least) don't know, so it's mostly irrelevant. Mostly. The fact | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > that he was treasurer (by choice or otherwise) is slightly relevant | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > because the likelihood that he had something to do with the corruption | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > goes up. But that's assuming anything went through him-- we don't know | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > that, and it's quite possible it didn't. But you would still think that | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > the treasurer was more likely to be privy to such a thing. The | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > possibility that it had nothing to do with him is real, so it isn't fair | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > to rule out the possibility without a good amount of information. It | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > would be just as fair upon his taking the job to say "What corruption | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > are you planning to be part of?" "Beg your pardon?" "Well, you are | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > applying for position as treasurer, right?" "Yes, but..." It's a | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > position that deserves extra scrutiny, but it is certainly isn't proof | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | > of anything at all. | Sep 08 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | will cc the DPL as well | Sep 08 03:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Hi Mr. Carter, | Sep 08 03:19 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't want this email to feel like it was 'done behind someone's back' or whatever. It's important to clarify my position on this. (below) | Sep 08 03:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Kind regards, | Sep 08 03:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Roy | Sep 08 03:19 |
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| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: does this read ok? http://techrights.org/2020/09/07/this-is-not-love/ | Sep 08 03:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Not Everybody (Especially Corporations That Push Windows and NSA Back Doors) is Capable of Love | Techrights | Sep 08 03:30 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Sep 08 03:34 |
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| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: I have a longer one now | Sep 08 04:01 |
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| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: can you quickly read http://techrights.org/2020/09/07/debian-private-history/ ? | Sep 08 04:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Debian-Private Teaches Us GNU and Linux History, Based on Words and Actions by Prominent Developers and Project Administrators | Techrights | Sep 08 04:06 | |
| schestowitz__ | I do too at the moment | Sep 08 04:06 |
| schestowitz__ | first pass | Sep 08 04:06 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Looks good. | Sep 08 05:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sorry, was eating dinner. | Sep 08 05:41 |
| schestowitz__ | I have another | Sep 08 05:42 |
| schestowitz__ | better one | Sep 08 05:42 |
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| schestowitz__ | Torvalds was reading your remarks | Sep 08 05:42 |
| schestowitz__ | about Fedora and all | Sep 08 05:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I did not expect that. | Sep 08 05:44 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: http://techrights.org/2020/09/07/the-cost-of-secrecy/ | Sep 08 05:44 |
| schestowitz__ | quick | Sep 08 05:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Debian Expulsions and Defamation Were Also Common in the 1990s | Techrights | Sep 08 05:44 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "what truly troubled about" | Sep 08 05:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | truly troubled me? | Sep 08 05:49 |
| schestowitz__ | yeah | Sep 08 05:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: Speaking of out of line and having commit access revoked, that's what happened with Matthew Dillon. | Sep 08 05:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He didn't agree with how SMP support would be added to FreeBSD, so he just committed his idea of how it should work without asking anyone. | Sep 08 05:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They gave him the boot and he went off and did DragonflyBSD. | Sep 08 05:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's one of the problems that git avoids. | Sep 08 05:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you have an idea, you can fork it and add a feature and prove that it works without disturbing the main branch. | Sep 08 05:53 |
| schestowitz__ | not that twitter "followers" are a yardstick of much meaning, BUT... | Sep 08 05:59 |
| schestowitz__ | Seems like itwire has fewer than me, a mere individual | Sep 08 05:59 |
| schestowitz__ | which I found funny | Sep 08 05:59 |
| schestowitz__ | and they barely ever get even a "like" there | Sep 08 05:59 |
| schestowitz__ | so many of their followers might be drones | Sep 08 05:59 |
| schestowitz__ | I see no comments on their article about me, 5 hours later | Sep 08 05:59 |
| schestowitz__ | and they have not yet responded to my email, which I copied to the editor too | Sep 08 06:00 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: he made hammer2 iirc | Sep 08 06:00 |
| schestowitz__ | and the rest of the distro | Sep 08 06:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | hammer and hammer2, yeah | Sep 08 06:01 |
| Ariadne | debian-private is one of the main reasons alpine is a thing | Sep 08 06:03 |
| schestowitz__ | it is a misguided concept, imho | Sep 08 06:03 |
| Ariadne | if you didn't figure it out by now, -private is just a mailing list where certain cliques talk shit | Sep 08 06:03 |
| schestowitz__ | perens joked it's used to make fun of people | Sep 08 06:03 |
| schestowitz__ | without them seeing it | Sep 08 06:03 |
| Ariadne | it is | Sep 08 06:03 |
| schestowitz__ | very bad idea | Sep 08 06:03 |
| schestowitz__ | we always published irc logs, rigth from the start | Sep 08 06:03 |
| schestowitz__ | I included even emails in them, with some named and stuff redacted where needed | Sep 08 06:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Would Alpine run on my laptop, does it have KDE? | Sep 08 06:04 |
| Ariadne | i'm using kde right now | Sep 08 06:04 |
| schestowitz__ | start=2008 (when we started using IRC) | Sep 08 06:04 |
| *schestowitz__ uses kde right now | Sep 08 06:04 | |
| schestowitz__ | (rianne also) | Sep 08 06:05 |
| schestowitz__ | she wants to use gnome tomorrow | Sep 08 06:05 |
| schestowitz__ | used xfce, unity, kde lxde, etc. but never gnome3 | Sep 08 06:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I used GNOME for a long time because the KDE Plasma 5 series just struck me as the early days of 4 all over again. | Sep 08 06:05 |
| schestowitz__ | rianne_ thinks gnome is massively bloated | Sep 08 06:06 |
| schestowitz__ | based on something she read somewhere | Sep 08 06:06 |
| Ariadne | as for your laptop, idk what kind of laptop you have | Sep 08 06:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | These major Qt version bumps always cause a big mess that takes years to sort out. | Sep 08 06:06 |
| schestowitz__ | I told her it's no more bloated than kde | Sep 08 06:06 |
| schestowitz__ | she had 4gb of ram | Sep 08 06:06 |
| Ariadne | as long as it does not require binary blob drivers it should not be a problem | Sep 08 06:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GNOME seems to use more RAM than KDE. | Sep 08 06:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it matters, it'll matter on a system with less than 8 GB. | Sep 08 06:06 |
| schestowitz__ | I hate about gnome how it handles windows focus shift | Sep 08 06:06 |
| schestowitz__ | it's like I have to press a window twice and wait one second just to be sure my keyboard input goes into the right place | Sep 08 06:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of GNOME can't be configured properly no matter what you do, but the worst WTF stuff is in the Tweaks tool. | Sep 08 06:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It does not have sane defaults. | Sep 08 06:07 |
| schestowitz__ | I used to blame the hardware (arms with no gpu), but maybe it's a universal problem with gnome itself) | Sep 08 06:07 |
| Ariadne | alpine can only use free drivers, as there is no binary blob drivers for it | Sep 08 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 24 hour clock by default is weird, at least in the US. | Sep 08 06:08 |
| schestowitz__ | you call it military time | Sep 08 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not having a dock or a taskbar by default, and maximize and minimize buttons is weird. | Sep 08 06:08 |
| Ariadne | hmm i think plasma uses military time | Sep 08 06:08 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: lol what do you call metric? ballistic measures? | Sep 08 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No. | Sep 08 06:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just don't really think in metric terms. | Sep 08 06:09 |
| schestowitz__ | how do you even do basic physics with imperial units? | Sep 08 06:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It gets taught in school but it's one of those "Do you remember that? No. I don't either." things. | Sep 08 06:09 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz__: science is done in metric | Sep 08 06:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not always. | Sep 08 06:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | NASA and JPL managed to crash a probe into Mars because one used one system and the other used the other system. | Sep 08 06:10 |
| Ariadne | :D | Sep 08 06:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I hear a fist fight broke out in the hallway. | Sep 08 06:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Ariadne: science is not done in other countriess | Sep 08 06:10 |
| schestowitz__ | *now | Sep 08 06:10 |
| Ariadne | touche | Sep 08 06:10 |
| schestowitz__ | because science is an evil liberal plot | Sep 08 06:10 |
| Ariadne | yes, hince my relocation to NL | Sep 08 06:11 |
| schestowitz__ | to shame the white victims | Sep 08 06:11 |
| schestowitz__ | [06:10] <DaemonFC[m]> NASA and JPL managed to crash a probe into Mars because one used one system and the other used the other system. | Sep 08 06:11 |
| schestowitz__ | That became a famous story | Sep 08 06:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's one US freeway that uses metric. | Sep 08 06:11 |
| schestowitz__ | not compatible even within the same country | Sep 08 06:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was a pilot thing and they never switched the markers and signs out. | Sep 08 06:12 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: "pagan losers" | Sep 08 06:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Fox on Europeans | Sep 08 06:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: Had they been using the same system, they would have landed the probe fine, either way. | Sep 08 06:12 |
| Ariadne | did a fist fight really break out? | Sep 08 06:13 |
| schestowitz__ | how much was nasa budget back then? | Sep 08 06:13 |
| Ariadne | i mean, i wouldn't be surprised | Sep 08 06:13 |
| Ariadne | that's a lot of people's careers flushed down the toilet | Sep 08 06:13 |
| schestowitz__ | now it's stimulus for "job creator" Pedo Guy Musk | Sep 08 06:13 |
| Ariadne | you generally don't get to walk back "crashed a probe into mars" | Sep 08 06:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <Ariadne "did a fist fight really break ou"> That's what Arlan Andrews told me. | Sep 08 06:14 |
| schestowitz__ | they should have shock-therapied those scientists with chlorine and stuff | Sep 08 06:14 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2020/08/28/transparency-in-debian/ | Sep 08 06:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Debian Choosing Secrecy (in Defiance of Its Very Own Transparency Rules) Harmful to Trust | Techrights | Sep 08 06:15 | |
| schestowitz__ | (older) | Sep 08 06:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He has a pretty long career in government and was an advisor to President Clinton. | Sep 08 06:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's a science fiction writer too. | Sep 08 06:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I remember one of his talks in Indianapolis where he mentioned a missile they were working on to shoot down helicopters. | Sep 08 06:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were testing it out in the middle of the desert and they had an outhouse there. | Sep 08 06:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they fired this thing and instead of locking on to the test target, it locked on to the exhaust fan in the outhouse and blew up their outhouse. | Sep 08 06:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wow, SNES DOOM is terrible. | Sep 08 06:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They wrote a new engine for it and even with the SuperFX 2 add-on chip, the console can't really run it well. | Sep 08 06:40 |
| Ariadne | yooooo | Sep 08 06:52 |
| Ariadne | there is a bootleg game based on SNES DOOM | Sep 08 06:52 |
| Ariadne | like noah's ark adventures or some shit | Sep 08 06:52 |
| schestowitz__ | snes had doom? | Sep 08 06:52 |
| schestowitz__ | like... with wads and stuff? | Sep 08 06:53 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54060687 | Sep 08 06:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Michael Cohen's Trump book: The ex-lawyer's key claims - BBC News | Sep 08 06:57 | |
| schestowitz__ | "racist mobster" | Sep 08 06:57 |
| schestowitz__ | Who next to do a book? Ivanka? Ivana? | Sep 08 07:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: No WADs. Not even the full game. | Sep 08 07:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nintendo also banned all references to Hell, even though part of it still takes place in Hell and there's at least one inverted cross. | Sep 08 07:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Super_NES | Sep 08 07:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-doom.fandom.com | Super NES | Doom Wiki | Fandom | Sep 08 07:22 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The way the SuperFX was shipped was dumb. They should have had it as an onboard processor. | Sep 08 07:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sega tried to do something like the SuperFX with the Sega 32x adapter. Doom ended up on the Genesis through the 32x. | Sep 08 07:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The problem was that Sega had two competing add-ons to the Genesis which were not compatible. One was a CD-ROM system and one was the 32x. | Sep 08 07:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you could only put a 32x game on a cartridge. It was nuts. | Sep 08 07:30 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It probably would have competed well with the Nintendo 64 had they committed to a CD and 32X integrated add-on unit and gotten rid of cartridges for the expanded system, and not launched the Saturn. | Sep 08 07:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: This is what happens when people who are not engineers get on as a CEO of a tech company. | Sep 08 07:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You need to get out of the way of your engineers and ask the customers what they want to buy. | Sep 08 07:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft isn't competing well in areas where there are already established markets, because they can't dictate what the product will be. It doesn't work like that. | Sep 08 07:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Generally, people respond favorably to backwards compatibility. Usually more so than ability to run newer software. | Sep 08 07:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LibreOffice is still recognizable compared with a copy of StarOffice I was using in the 90s. | Sep 08 07:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: I've noticed a resurgence of RPG games that have the same sort of graphics as the SNES or so. | Sep 08 07:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As far as Debian going off the rails, I think they should have pushed for inclusion of Upstart instead and forked off the utilities that Red Hat made depend on systemd. | Sep 08 07:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | systemd is too big to debug and supplants things that the kernel can already do. | Sep 08 07:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The sorts of bugs making it into RHEL where it sits there and leaks GB of memory or lets a potentially malicious DNS server execute remote code should have been a wake up call. | Sep 08 07:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There shouldn't be a debian-private. | Sep 08 07:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unfortunately, I think that Fedora must have something where the public can't see what's going on. | Sep 08 07:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There were no public votes to get rid of Kevin Kofler. When he requested one so that everyone's position was on the record, they deleted the ticket. Not just closed. Deleted. As in, like it never existed. | Sep 08 07:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unfortunately, snes9x is not quite open source/Free in the sense that it has a no commercial use clause. | Sep 08 07:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I use it for a few SNES games because it's so much faster than higan. The point of higan was to be accurate, not fast, but it kind of limits the usefulness. | Sep 08 07:59 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Star Trek TNG is on BBC | Sep 08 08:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I remember my dad complaining about these because in one episode there was a man in a dress. | Sep 08 08:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no logical reason why a dress wouldn't be men's fashion. High heels were once meant for men. Scottish men have traditionally worn kilts. | Sep 08 08:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's amazing what kind of stupid rules get inflicted on people because "That's the way it's done and it just is and don't ask questions.". | Sep 08 08:10 |
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| schestowitz__ | [07:45] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz__: I've noticed a resurgence of RPG games that have the same sort of graphics as the SNES or so. | Sep 08 10:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Yes, that baffles me | Sep 08 10:12 |
| schestowitz__ | it's like going backwards | Sep 08 10:12 |
| schestowitz__ | who does that target? | Sep 08 10:12 |
| schestowitz__ | thegrayzone.com/2020/09/07/assange-extradition-hearing-free-press-trial/\ | Sep 08 11:00 |
| schestowitz__ | http://thegrayzone.com/2020/09/07/assange-extradition-hearing-free-press-trial/ | Sep 08 11:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thegrayzone.com | As Assange extradition hearing resumes, the future of a free press is on trial | The Grayzone | Sep 08 11:00 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://thegrayzone.com/2020/09/06/in-navalny-poisoning-rush-to-judgment-threatens-new-russia-nato-crisis/" | Sep 08 11:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thegrayzone.com | In Navalny poisoning, rush to judgment threatens new Russia-NATO crisis | The Grayzone | Sep 08 11:07 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20012722 | Sep 08 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4312858) | Sep 08 12:05 | |
| schestowitz__ | so... garrett has another ax to grind | Sep 08 12:09 |
| schestowitz__ | after we defended Torvalds | Sep 08 12:09 |
| schestowitz__ | now he tries to accuse me of defending rape, which is basically defamatory | Sep 08 12:09 |
| schestowitz__ | and he does this repeatedly in Twitter | Sep 08 12:09 |
| schestowitz__ | he works closely with Sage Sharp for at least 5 years | Sep 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz__ | so I guess I might have become a 'high profile target' to them | Sep 08 12:10 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141879 [https://pleroma.site/objects/eea57254-3e4d-4e1c-9f0f-952b693d0334] | Sep 08 14:56 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 8/9/2020: Inkscape 1.0.1 Released, Gentoo’s Portage 3.0 Stabilised, KDevelop 5.6 and GStreamer 1.18.0 http://techrights.org/2020/09/08/kdevelop-5-6-and-gstreamer-1-18-0/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/4a76c3e6-73da-4c55-8431-e5eee80270d6] | Sep 08 15:09 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Handling Attacks on #FreeSoftware Volunteers and Their Families http://techrights.org/2020/09/08/attacks-on-volunteers/ #freesw [https://pleroma.site/objects/7273d4af-9ce8-4632-b4f5-08a2434dc221] | Sep 08 15:36 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20012712 | Sep 08 16:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4312673) | Sep 08 16:07 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Call for testing: 4.11~rc1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141881 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2053373d-e827-4dcc-a030-7ae42bf19377] | Sep 08 16:10 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Candy – Free and Open Source Software that’s Fun http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141883 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bed49e54-ddad-4766-9c46-ea51b7f9f5de] | Sep 08 16:24 | |
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| MinceR | (audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/09/c1259dc5fcf08169.mp4 | Sep 08 16:35 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/07/15d553e59766cbce.jpg | Sep 08 16:56 |
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| scientes | https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_preview/0/3/0/14712030.jpg | Sep 08 17:31 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 08 17:31 |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/09/8c3ddfd85e0600e7.jpg | Sep 08 18:38 |
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| scientes | It turns out my favorite Colombian band stole some of their songs | Sep 08 18:54 |
| scientes | EMI was bought out by Universal Music and then songs that were written before the acquisition Morat took and remade, with the same name and exact same song, but with no credit to the original artist | Sep 08 18:55 |
| scientes | its the hypocrcy of the MAFIAA | Sep 08 18:56 |
| scientes | as only bands with contracts can re-mix songs, and then they have to stay "in-cabal" | Sep 08 18:57 |
| scientes | which is a total boner-killer | Sep 08 18:59 |
| scientes | if you are going to have this silly copyright thing, then at least follow the rules | Sep 08 19:00 |
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| MinceR | they're too rich to follow the rules | Sep 08 19:02 |
| minorityreport | https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/08/nutanix_azure_partnership/ | Sep 08 19:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | What a cluster-buck! Nutanix and Microsoft to swap licence credits under new Azure deal • The Register | Sep 08 19:03 | |
| minorityreport | "On June 1, 2019, Nutanix appointed Brian Stevens to its board of directors." | Sep 08 19:03 |
| minorityreport | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutanix | Sep 08 19:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Nutanix - Wikipedia | Sep 08 19:03 | |
| minorityreport | Yet more assimilation ? | Sep 08 19:04 |
| *scientes doesn't care | Sep 08 19:04 | |
| minorityreport | hi there .. | Sep 08 19:04 |
| Narrator | just another added to oligopoly ... | Sep 08 19:05 |
| scientes | MinceR, there is a reason I do not buy copyrighted works on principle | Sep 08 19:06 |
| Narrator | to preserve ownership of "american open source" | Sep 08 19:06 |
| scientes | well, sometimes books | Sep 08 19:06 |
| minorityreport | “We are the Borg .. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.” | Sep 08 19:07 |
| scientes | but then with books what you get is such shit | Sep 08 19:10 |
| scientes | the technology is so much better than what you get | Sep 08 19:10 |
| scientes | and if it was libre books, then we would get a much better deal | Sep 08 19:10 |
| scientes | with books, with the internet it is kinda a wash | Sep 08 19:12 |
| scientes | the internet never did have much content, and copyright never slowed it down much | Sep 08 19:12 |
| Narrator | well, internet have mostly the conputers topics | Sep 08 19:13 |
| scientes | Narrator, really, give me a link to TAoCP volume 4A | Sep 08 19:14 |
| Narrator | excepts wikipedia but this is very small | Sep 08 19:14 |
| Narrator | what is TAoCP ?:) | Sep 08 19:14 |
| scientes | and wikipedia's math is completely inaccessible if you don't already know the material | Sep 08 19:14 |
| scientes | it is a catch-22 | Sep 08 19:14 |
| Narrator | well, as douglas adams say you need to know piece of answer to ask the question;-) | Sep 08 19:15 |
| Narrator | ... said ... | Sep 08 19:15 |
| scientes | the best content remains in books | Sep 08 19:16 |
| Narrator | nope, the best context exists in the heads ;-) | Sep 08 19:16 |
| scientes | Narrator, if you slice them open I don't think you will find much! | Sep 08 19:17 |
| Narrator | well, are you sure? | Sep 08 19:17 |
| scientes | yes | Sep 08 19:17 |
| MinceR | just get the ability to gain memories by eating brains | Sep 08 19:17 |
| Narrator | who have the empty head ? | Sep 08 19:17 |
| Narrator | as socrato say the writing is good for memory, the eating brains is not an options;-);-) | Sep 08 19:18 |
| Narrator | scientes: rememeber, there are plenty informations nobody need to know everything | Sep 08 19:19 |
| scientes | MinceR, mmmmmm, memories! | Sep 08 19:20 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 08 19:20 |
| Narrator | i.e. science is this required ?;-) | Sep 08 19:20 |
| Narrator | [ekg] | Sep 08 19:22 |
| Narrator | ver2 | Sep 08 19:22 |
| Narrator | polish client for jabber | Sep 08 19:22 |
| MinceR | there's also Psi | Sep 08 19:23 |
| Narrator | 20:21:23 ::: XRevan86 requested ctcp VERSION | Sep 08 19:23 |
| Narrator | a spy ... | Sep 08 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: Not much in there :) | Sep 08 19:23 |
| Narrator | then i help you with more information;-) | Sep 08 19:24 |
| scientes | XRevan86, just delicious brains | Sep 08 19:24 |
| Narrator | about writtings: https://blogs.ubc.ca/etec540sept13/2013/09/29/socrates-writing-vs-memory/ ;-) | Sep 08 19:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.ubc.ca | Socrates: Writing vs. Memory | ETEC540: Text Techologies | Sep 08 19:25 | |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: I forgot where you're from, I think you told me before. | Sep 08 19:25 |
| Narrator | something for sciences;-) | Sep 08 19:25 |
| Narrator | poland ... | Sep 08 19:25 |
| Narrator | south of poland | Sep 08 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | Explains the Polish client for XMPP. | Sep 08 19:26 |
| psydroid | Zakopane | Sep 08 19:26 |
| scientes | Socrates was being rhetorical | Sep 08 19:26 |
| Narrator | well, not exacly in zakopane but ... south | Sep 08 19:26 |
| scientes | and whoever wrote this article is an idiot | Sep 08 19:27 |
| Narrator | i use ekg2 this is jabber client | Sep 08 19:27 |
| Narrator | scientes: well, why ? | Sep 08 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: Is it good? Looks dead-ish. | Sep 08 19:27 |
| scientes | Narrator, the answer you are looking for is Moses | Sep 08 19:28 |
| Narrator | well, still work ... | Sep 08 19:28 |
| Narrator | as django 1.x ;-) | Sep 08 19:28 |
| scientes | uggggh, fucking portugese | Sep 08 19:28 |
| Narrator | open source is not changing so fast | Sep 08 19:29 |
| scientes | I hate it because it is annoyingly not spanish | Sep 08 19:29 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: XMPP does change though. | Sep 08 19:29 |
| MinceR | :D | Sep 08 19:29 |
| scientes | my brain is not young enough to handle the differences | Sep 08 19:29 |
| psydroid | it's broken spanish | Sep 08 19:29 |
| *Narrator not know spanish/portuhgese | Sep 08 19:29 | |
| Narrator | :))) | Sep 08 19:29 |
| Narrator | i will told it to my spanish friends;-)) | Sep 08 19:30 |
| psydroid | despacito, muy tranquilo | Sep 08 19:30 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/08/f2c7d1142c57477b.jpg | Sep 08 19:30 |
| scientes | tranquilito | Sep 08 19:30 |
| scientes | the spanish diminuative is so flexible | Sep 08 19:31 |
| minorityreport | ot: firefox to blame because windows can't connect to the Internet! | Sep 08 19:31 |
| minorityreport | https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/08/bork/ | Sep 08 19:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Upside down, you turn me, you're giving bork instinctively: Firefox flips as a train connection is missed • The Register | Sep 08 19:31 | |
| *Narrator is older that Linus and currently brain have no problems:) (my colleges say something diffrent) | Sep 08 19:31 | |
| *Narrator have some students which told me that "internet not working" | Sep 08 19:32 | |
| Narrator | they cannot connect to google using firefox ... | Sep 08 19:33 |
| psydroid | and then you tell them "internet working, but brain not working" | Sep 08 19:33 |
| psydroid | Miyagi-style | Sep 08 19:33 |
| minorityreport | Especially holding a candle cause the Electricity has cut out :] | Sep 08 19:33 |
| XRevan86 | internet pracuje, ale mozok ne pracuje | Sep 08 19:34 |
| Narrator | psydroid: no, they are knowledge about humanities not internet ;-) | Sep 08 19:34 |
| psydroid | tak jest | Sep 08 19:35 |
| XRevan86 | ce je tak | Sep 08 19:35 |
| psydroid | Narrator, that explains it | Sep 08 19:35 |
| Narrator | btw they pay me for teaching them to use internet , well, good they have simple problems;-) | Sep 08 19:37 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: If they cannot use an address bar, that still quite peculiar. | Sep 08 19:37 |
| scientes | XRevan86, google concluded long ago that people don't know how to use address bar | Sep 08 19:38 |
| Narrator | yes, they try to remove it | Sep 08 19:38 |
| Narrator | to much freedom | Sep 08 19:39 |
| MinceR | "If you immediately know the candlelight is fire, then the meal was cooked a long time ago." | Sep 08 19:39 |
| scientes | they are trying to remove it now so that they can lie to people when they host other's content | Sep 08 19:39 |
| Narrator | the url should be unreadable | Sep 08 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | Doesn't blend in with the "web app" philosophy too well. | Sep 08 19:39 |
| scientes | to prevent people from leaving google | Sep 08 19:39 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the "our slave" philosophy | Sep 08 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | and because AMP, of course | Sep 08 19:40 |
| scientes | anyways, Google's browser is inferior | Sep 08 19:40 |
| scientes | they only get people to use it through coersion | Sep 08 19:40 |
| Narrator | well, i don;t use fb and sometime i feel like i have been out of internet | Sep 08 19:41 |
| Narrator | .. sometimes ... | Sep 08 19:41 |
| scientes | especially through their back door into the vast majority of small computers | Sep 08 19:41 |
| minorityreport | What about ungoogled-chromium, or what's a good private browser? | Sep 08 19:42 |
| scientes | chrome is slow and uses too much memory | Sep 08 19:42 |
| MinceR | there's no good browser with up-to-date html/css/dom/js support | Sep 08 19:42 |
| scientes | and "private" mode was always and will always be, porn mode | Sep 08 19:42 |
| scientes | which was created because google was pissed people kept deleting all their tracking stuff every time they watched porn | Sep 08 19:43 |
| Narrator | at the beginning, the Internet was born as a technology whose main function was listening, spying, then it was made available and the main function remained | Sep 08 19:44 |
| scientes | Narrator, you are full of non-sense, I am going to block you | Sep 08 19:44 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: No, the original intent was, unsurprisingly, fast exchange of information. | Sep 08 19:44 |
| Narrator | :D | Sep 08 19:44 |
| minorityreport | How about NCSA Mosaic ? | Sep 08 19:44 |
| MinceR | it was also originally intended to be redundant and robust | Sep 08 19:45 |
| MinceR | but, thanks to cost effectiveness, that's long gone | Sep 08 19:45 |
| scientes | also, Why you think the net was born? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJvdGcb7Fs | Sep 08 19:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Internet Is For Porn - Avenue Q - Original Broadway Cast - YouTube | Sep 08 19:45 | |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 08 19:46 |
| scientes | MinceR, not really cost effectiveness, more like anti-social capitalism delusions | Sep 08 19:46 |
| *XRevan86 just uses Firefox, it's good enough for him. | Sep 08 19:46 | |
| *Narrator remember world without internet | Sep 08 19:46 | |
| *XRevan86 doesn't know how many more controversies he can take though. | Sep 08 19:46 | |
| MinceR | Narrator: arpanet? | Sep 08 19:46 |
| minorityreport | .. gtg .. byeee ... | Sep 08 19:46 |
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| Narrator | well, no | Sep 08 19:46 |
| MinceR | ah, before the 1960s then :> | Sep 08 19:46 |
| Narrator | sneakernt and UUCP | Sep 08 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator probably means the world without the omnipresent Internet. | Sep 08 19:47 |
| scientes | its not really omnipresent | Sep 08 19:48 |
| Narrator | well, in poland that was much later | Sep 08 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | well, in russia that was much later-er | Sep 08 19:48 |
| scientes | before that there were programable calculators with rediculously low memory | Sep 08 19:49 |
| Narrator | exactly, more books less twitter | Sep 08 19:49 |
| Narrator | well, in 80-82 i had first calculator | Sep 08 19:50 |
| Narrator | c64 in 84 | Sep 08 19:51 |
| Narrator | internet late 80's | Sep 08 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/windows-10-sandbox-activation-enables-zero-day-vulnerability/amp/ | Sep 08 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/windows-10-sandbox-activation-enables-zero-day-vulnerability/amp/ ) | Sep 08 19:54 | |
| XRevan86 | speaking of AMP | Sep 08 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Turning on Windows Sandbox enables a zero day vulnerability. | Sep 08 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: ehem | Sep 08 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: https://daniel.priv.no/web-extensions/amp2html.html check this out | Sep 08 19:55 |
| MinceR | silly Backdoors users, expecting security from an alleged security feature | Sep 08 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.daniel.priv.no | Redirect AMP to HTML | Web Extension | Sep 08 19:55 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Lykkegaard pointed BleepingComputer to a thread with the vulnerabilities he found and told us that one of the worst bugs he reported allowed manipulating UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) applications - bootloaders, operating system kernel - that reside as files on the EFI partition. | Sep 08 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He says that Microsoft’s recent slash of rewards for high-severity privilege escalation bugs from $20,000 to $2,000 also contributed to sharing the issue publicly since the effort simply is no longer worth it. | Sep 08 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | “Until now, I have always submitted my findings to MS and waited till they were patched, but with the recent bounty change it is not worth it,” Lykkegaard told us." | Sep 08 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__ I didn't notice that Microsoft cut bounties by 90%. Maybe it's part of them being broke and trying to shore up the bottom line. More likely, they don't care. | Sep 08 19:57 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Bug bounties were already much lower than state attackers and criminal outfits would pay, so Microsoft is basically saying "Just sell them to those people instead." with this cut. | Sep 08 20:01 |
| Narrator | well, they are monopol they don't need to patch anything | Sep 08 20:02 |
| kingoffrance | well i dont recall where but i saw one place get this right: the purpose of internet, nominally, is between other networks, to bridge/connect them. that just seems quaint because now IP is used for intranet/lans/wans/etc. | Sep 08 20:02 |
| kingoffrance | its right in the name :) | Sep 08 20:02 |
| kingoffrance | its just most those "other networks" are probably dead now | Sep 08 20:03 |
| kingoffrance | so a misnomer now perhaps | Sep 08 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mobile Vivaldi doesn't support extensions. | Sep 08 20:03 |
| kingoffrance | as ive said before, internet killed the proprietary network star | Sep 08 20:04 |
| Narrator | well, fido too | Sep 08 20:04 |
| Narrator | and slowly kills regular mail | Sep 08 20:05 |
| kingoffrance | pun intended, i think token ring used "star" topology | Sep 08 20:05 |
| Narrator | novell networks | Sep 08 20:06 |
| Narrator | btw, telco moves to ip networks too | Sep 08 20:07 |
| kingoffrance | yep | Sep 08 20:13 |
| kingoffrance | pots | Sep 08 20:13 |
| kingoffrance | i should say it doesnt seem quaint because know we even have iot -- every "thing" | Sep 08 20:14 |
| kingoffrance | *now | Sep 08 20:14 |
| kingoffrance | it should seem quaint but it doesnt | Sep 08 20:15 |
| Narrator | https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1294628802254053381 | Sep 08 20:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Megaconstellati: .@SpaceX's Starlink network (AS14593) has only 2 POPs so far (LAX & SEA: https://t.co/kj0mB8CmFQ), uses @ZayoGroup… https://t.co/v5kINgCSjJ | Sep 08 20:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> PeeringDB | Sep 08 20:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Megaconstellati: .@SpaceX's Starlink network (AS14593) has only 2 POPs so far (LAX & SEA: https://t.co/kj0mB8CmFQ), uses @ZayoGroup… https://t.co/v5kINgCSjJ | Sep 08 20:18 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, does it really not have a about:config in firefox? | Sep 08 20:18 |
| scientes | it is a really bad sign that you need an extension for that | Sep 08 20:19 |
| Narrator | i.e. ftp in firefrox ... | Sep 08 20:19 |
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| MinceR | gopher | Sep 08 20:21 |
| scientes | finger | Sep 08 20:21 |
| MinceR | firefox had a finger client built in? :> | Sep 08 20:22 |
| scientes | $ finger | Sep 08 20:24 |
| scientes | No mail. | Sep 08 20:24 |
| scientes | No Plan. | Sep 08 20:24 |
| scientes | ouch | Sep 08 20:24 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 08 20:24 |
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| Narrator | don't worry have d-o-h;-) | Sep 08 20:31 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: There is one on desktop, of course. There is none on Android. | Sep 08 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | except in betas and stuff, and in the fork "Iceweasle Mobile" | Sep 08 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | (no typo) | Sep 08 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/fork-maintainers/iceweasel (#deletegithub, yes) this one | Sep 08 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - fork-maintainers/iceweasel: Iceweasel Mobile | Sep 08 20:53 | |
| XRevan86 | which apparently fixed the spelling, making me look like a fool :) | Sep 08 20:59 |
| MinceR | ye olde weasle of yce | Sep 08 21:04 |
| scientes | XRevan86, it was always spelled the latter in Debian | Sep 08 21:05 |
| scientes | but Debian now has "firefox" | Sep 08 21:05 |
| MinceR | debian is dead | Sep 08 21:05 |
| Narrator | well, names all godd names are reserved | Sep 08 21:05 |
| Narrator | ... good ... | Sep 08 21:05 |
| scientes | MinceR, in the same way that south africa is dead, yes | Sep 08 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Þe olde wesele of is, thou meanest? | Sep 08 21:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 08 21:06 |
| Narrator | https://qz.com/646467/how-one-programmer-broke-the-internet-by-deleting-a-tiny-piece-of-code/ | Sep 08 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qz.com | How one programmer broke the internet by deleting a tiny piece of code — Quartz | Sep 08 21:06 | |
| *scientes again glad someone is blocked | Sep 08 21:06 | |
| scientes | the only thing that is weird is the one-sided conversations | Sep 08 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: node.js stuff != Internet | Sep 08 21:08 |
| Narrator | i know | Sep 08 21:08 |
| Narrator | i show it becaus there is a war | Sep 08 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | Huh, that function doesn't even look like competent JS… | Sep 08 21:08 |
| Narrator | war to reserve words | Sep 08 21:09 |
| MinceR | that's how you know it's for the "modern" web | Sep 08 21:09 |
| scientes | post-modern web https://jeffsdeepthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/spider-drugs-web.jpg | Sep 08 21:10 |
| scientes | *webs | Sep 08 21:10 |
| Narrator | btw, words which start from "i" are less common in project names | Sep 08 21:12 |
| Narrator | i named my project similar and i haven't found any project with this name... | Sep 08 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | iswesele? | Sep 08 21:14 |
| scientes | XRevan86, isspider | Sep 08 21:15 |
| Narrator | https://github.com/AdamPrzybyla/Impansible | Sep 08 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - AdamPrzybyla/Impansible: Robotframework library to access all ansible internal modules. All Ansible modules are available as Robotframework's keywords. The Impansible library can be used without Robotframework. | Sep 08 21:15 | |
| scientes | SpiderMonkey | Sep 08 21:15 |
| Narrator | you were close;-) | Sep 08 21:16 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: isspiþre | Sep 08 21:16 |
| scientes | nice | Sep 08 21:16 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 08 21:16 |
| XRevan86 | huh, so th→d | Sep 08 21:16 |
| Narrator | remember, i-words are free to use;-) | Sep 08 21:17 |
| Narrator | nobody wants them;-) | Sep 08 21:17 |
| Narrator | i remember a free trainings which we did with my friend | Sep 08 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | hah, cop == spider | Sep 08 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: alternatively: iscoppe | Sep 08 21:19 |
| MinceR | iscatte | Sep 08 21:19 |
| scientes | they don't have one of a spider on concaine | Sep 08 21:19 |
| Narrator | nobody wants to learn inkscape ... probably because this is i-word;-) | Sep 08 21:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 08 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | everyone wants to learn sK1? | Sep 08 21:21 |
| Narrator | nope, gimp ... ;-) | Sep 08 21:21 |
| MinceR | everyone wants to learn sodipodi | Sep 08 21:21 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: That's raster graphics. | Sep 08 21:22 |
| Narrator | i know i know:) | Sep 08 21:22 |
| *Narrator off | Sep 08 21:23 | |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: And then there are Krita and Akira. | Sep 08 21:23 |
| MinceR | tetsuooooo! | Sep 08 21:24 |
| Narrator | and nobody choose i-word for their name;-) | Sep 08 21:25 |
| kingoffrance | well that was kind of what i mean web != internet but internet != internet anymore it is THE network now | Sep 08 21:25 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: intltool, IPython, IJulia | Sep 08 21:26 |
| schestowitz__ | [19:46] * Narrator remember world without internet | Sep 08 21:26 |
| MinceR | wasn't IPython renamed to Jupyter? | Sep 08 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | from international, interactive | Sep 08 21:26 |
| schestowitz__ | web or Internet? | Sep 08 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Oh no, the next letter of the alphabet, what sudden but jnevitable betrayal! | Sep 08 21:27 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 08 21:27 |
| Narrator | well, world without my access to internet;-) | Sep 08 21:28 |
| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/08/e51f7c1daebfc26b.png | Sep 08 21:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I find the lack of St. Petersburg, Florida and Moscow, Ohio disrespectful | Sep 08 21:29 |
| MinceR | "The maximum number of destinations has been reached." | Sep 08 21:29 |
| MinceR | google won't allow more :> | Sep 08 21:29 |
| MinceR | also, they're not in Wisconsin | Sep 08 21:29 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ah, fair enough :) | Sep 08 21:29 |
| scientes | <MinceR> also, they're not in Wisconsin | Sep 08 21:30 |
| scientes | exactly | Sep 08 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | there's St. Peter, Wisconsin | Sep 08 21:31 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 08 21:31 |
| scientes | XRevan86, it it an incorporate municipality? | Sep 08 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | … and Moscow, Wisconsin | Sep 08 21:31 |
| scientes | > unincorporated | Sep 08 21:31 |
| scientes | damn | Sep 08 21:31 |
| scientes | is there any good guide to the current situation of borders and international flights | Sep 08 21:32 |
| scientes | et cetera | Sep 08 21:32 |
| schestowitz__ | [20:31] <Narrator> don't worry have d-o-h;-) | Sep 08 21:32 |
| schestowitz__ | comcast or clownflare? blue or red pill? | Sep 08 21:32 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petersburg%2C_Wisconsin there we go | Sep 08 21:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Petersburg, Wisconsin - Wikipedia | Sep 08 21:34 | |
| Narrator | blue or blue ... ;-) | Sep 08 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | no Warsaw, Wisconsin, or Warshawa, or Varshava | Sep 08 21:36 |
| schestowitz__ | [21:31] <XRevan86> … and Moscow, Wisconsin | Sep 08 21:36 |
| XRevan86 | or Warszawa | Sep 08 21:36 |
| schestowitz__ | imagine voting for Trump from Moscow | Sep 08 21:36 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: What's this "voting" you're speaking of? | Sep 08 21:37 |
| schestowitz__ | WIllis! | Sep 08 21:37 |
| scientes | more like boating woooooo | Sep 08 21:38 |
| MinceR | there's an unincorporated community called Poland in Eaton, Wisconsin, though | Sep 08 21:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Better than nothing, I guess. | Sep 08 21:49 |
| Narrator | probably half of chicago are from poland;-) | Sep 08 21:50 |
| Narrator | i mean their ancestors | Sep 08 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: What are the odds of getting a "Dobrogo dña" in Chicago? | Sep 08 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | oh | Sep 08 21:51 |
| Narrator | i was first;-) | Sep 08 21:52 |
| *Narrator off | Sep 08 21:53 | |
| MinceR | you mean "Dzień dobry"? :> | Sep 08 21:53 |
| Narrator | yep:) | Sep 08 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I was sneaking in Ukrainian phrases and seeing if someone would notice :) | Sep 08 21:54 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 08 21:54 |
| psydroid | Dobranoc | Sep 08 21:54 |
| *psydroid did notice | Sep 08 21:55 | |
| Narrator | dobranoc:) | Sep 08 21:55 |
| XRevan86 | "mozok" is a dead giveaway, I don't think any other language has this form. | Sep 08 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, Macedonian does | Sep 08 21:57 |
| psydroid | what is it in Serbo-Croatian? | Sep 08 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | and in a way Slovak | Sep 08 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: mozak | Sep 08 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | if "a" is a result of a vowel reduction reflected in spelling, then it would count | Sep 08 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | I mean, if I were to see this in Belarusian, then I'd now it's probably "mozok" (it's actually "mozg"). | Sep 08 22:01 |
| XRevan86 | because it has the same vowel reduction of o→schwa as in Greater Russian, but also reflects it in spelling | Sep 08 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | which makes it unpleasant to read, it's better on the ear than in writing | Sep 08 22:03 |
| psydroid | it's mózg in Polish too | Sep 08 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | Yea, that's the most common variation. | Sep 08 22:04 |
| XRevan86 | except for the pronunciation of course | Sep 08 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | I wouldn't recognise "mozg" in "musk" | Sep 08 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | or better, "moosk", because in this case that aligns well with what's actually happening :) | Sep 08 22:06 |
| psydroid | the wiktionary entries are interesting too | Sep 08 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | > Derived terms: (adjectives) bezmózgi, | Sep 08 22:08 |
| XRevan86 | That's not very nice. | Sep 08 22:08 |
| XRevan86 | I came to read about brains, and the first thing it gives me is an adjective for brainless. | Sep 08 22:08 |
| psydroid | it's just being honest to you | Sep 08 22:09 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 08 22:10 |
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| XRevan86 | Brains are in another castle. | Sep 08 22:11 |
| MinceR | braaaaaaaaaaaains | Sep 08 22:11 |
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| *XRevan86 wondered what's Polish for zàmok, turns out, that's a loan from Polish. | Sep 08 22:15 | |
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| psydroid | zamek for square? | Sep 08 22:16 |
| psydroid | my Polish is a bit rusty | Sep 08 22:16 |
| XRevan86 | In East Slavic it's zamòk for locks and zàmok for castles, the latter is from Polish where it's zàmek for both. | Sep 08 22:17 |
| psydroid | oh, castle | Sep 08 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | so I guess it's partially a semantic loan and partially a… stress/accent loan? | Sep 08 22:17 |
| psydroid | I got confused with rynek | Sep 08 22:18 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: sounds like market | Sep 08 22:18 |
| psydroid | yes | Sep 08 22:18 |
| psydroid | but it's used for the square where the market was held in Polish at least | Sep 08 22:18 |
| XRevan86 | which also got into East Slavic from Polish %) | Sep 08 22:18 |
| psydroid | and it's ultimately from Germanic rinc (ring) | Sep 08 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: In Russian it usually means an open marketplace. | Sep 08 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | or a covered marketplace, definitely not a supermarket | Sep 08 22:20 |
| psydroid | yes | Sep 08 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | I think the word is "public market" | Sep 08 22:21 |
| psydroid | what is used in Ukrainian? | Sep 08 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: same | Sep 08 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | rynok | Sep 08 22:22 |
| schestowitz__ | https://danielpocock.com/unpaid-work-training-googles-spam-filters/ | Sep 08 22:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-danielpocock.com | Unpaid work training Google’s spam filters | Daniel Pocock’s personal blog | Sep 08 22:23 | |
| schestowitz__ | 'Many chat protocols work with an explicit opt-in. Before you can exchange messages with somebody, you must add each other to your buddy lists. Once you do this, virtually all messages get through without filtering. Could this concept be adapted to email, maybe giving users a summary of messages from people they don't have in their contact list and asking them to explicitly accept or reject each contact?" | Sep 08 22:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Having a person in an address book is usually accounted for when checking for validity. | Sep 08 22:25 |
| XRevan86 | But I think what they have in mind is a subscription request, and… good luck with that. | Sep 08 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | https://github.com/mollydb | Sep 08 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mollydb (Molly de Blanc) · GitHub | Sep 08 22:26 | |
| schestowitz__ | "I don't know how to code, but I do have blue hair." | Sep 08 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | WTF? | Sep 08 22:26 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: I can clearly see a photograph on the avatar with a disturbing lack of blue hair. | Sep 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz__ | https://debian.community/mollamby-debian-developer-certificate/ | Sep 08 22:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | Mollamby: the Debian Developer certificate | Sep 08 22:28 | |
| schestowitz__ | "It appears that the DPL's girlfriend was promoted and given that holy DD status at the very time she was looking for a job." | Sep 08 22:28 |
| MinceR | https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouGottaHaveBlueHair | Sep 08 22:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tvtropes.org | You Gotta Have Blue Hair - TV Tropes | Sep 08 22:28 | |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: that too | Sep 08 22:28 |
| schestowitz__ | "Ironically, McGovern's email accuses the person asking the question of being divisive. Yet just weeks later, Neil McGovern played a key role in one of the most divisive events in the entire history of free software, ambushing de Blanc's former boss, Richard Stallman, using his GNOME title to add weight to an anti-RMS attack blog." | Sep 08 22:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I've been explained that blue hair is usually for real dark black-ish hair. | Sep 08 22:29 |
| MinceR | maybe in western comics | Sep 08 22:29 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No, animeo | Sep 08 22:30 |
| MinceR | so what do green, purple and light blue hair stand for? | Sep 08 22:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: tough one, but blue is used even in shows that go for a conservative look | Sep 08 22:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: With the simplest example being the first chapter of JoJo | Sep 08 22:31 |
| MinceR | and what does hair that is black, gold and pink stand for? | Sep 08 22:32 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: What character of the first chapter has that palette? | Sep 08 22:33 |
| MinceR | it's not from JoJo | Sep 08 22:34 |
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| XRevan86 | My point is that even when it makes absolutely no sense, blue is still used. | Sep 08 22:34 |
| XRevan86 | unlike other unnatural colours, seemingly. | Sep 08 22:34 |
| MinceR | "Why is an alien bluenette dying her hair purple, you ask? To match her second mother's (Jurai royals practice polygamy) naturally purple hair! Said second mother is a full-blooded human from 13th century Japan, a fact which takes the escape clause, rips it into small bits, incinerates the bits with a flamethrower, and then urinates on the ashes." | Sep 08 22:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: https://i.imgur.com/IqpLJoT.jpg | Sep 08 22:36 |
| MinceR | also, "Screw the rules, I have green hair!" | Sep 08 22:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Blue in some cases have a mapping to real-life human hair colours, green probably doesn't. | Sep 08 22:42 |
| psydread | "All of you should realise I am in fact the Green Goblin" | Sep 08 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | … from the Gummybears cartoon | Sep 08 22:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | USCIS mailed me the $410 processing fee back. | Sep 08 22:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They said it was not needed in order to file for a renewal EAD for family-based status adjustment. | Sep 08 22:46 |
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| XRevan86 | Oh wait, they're ogres, never mind. | Sep 08 22:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, if your case just drags on and it's because of them, you can renew an EAD as many times as you need to until you're called in for an immigration interview. | Sep 08 22:47 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | If it takes them 5 years, theoretically you could just renew it 4 times for free (well, cost of mailing the form) and it doesn't matter. | Sep 08 22:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's effectively a temporary green card. | Sep 08 22:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You have to renew it every year. | Sep 08 22:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I applied as soon as I could for a renewal EAD because I anticipate it being at least as bad as last time where it took 5 months for them to approve it. You can ask for a hardship exemption where they process it in 2 months, but Trump told them to deny all of those. | Sep 08 22:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So your spouse can't work for months and you have to pay all the bills and then they issue you a card with 2 weeks before an interview (not enough time to establish employment) and they say "likely to become public charge". | Sep 08 22:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the virus chased them out of the office and Mandy has established employment now. | Sep 08 22:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If we filed a month sooner or a month later than we did, we'd have been denied. | Sep 08 22:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A month earlier and they would have gotten us in for an interview in March and said "He's unemployed." and a month later, the law changed. | Sep 08 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2020/09/08/paragon_ntfs_linux/ | Sep 08 22:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Paragon 'optimistic' that its NTFS driver will be accepted into the Linux Kernel • The Register | Sep 08 22:55 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz NTFS Linux driver. | Sep 08 22:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lake County has a government consolidation question on the ballot. | Sep 08 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It asks voters whether to eliminate the county recorder of deeds and merge it with the county clerk. | Sep 08 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I voted to get rid of the Cook County recorder in 2016 and it passed. | Sep 08 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They said at the time it would save taxpayers about a million dollars a year. | Sep 08 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Lake County, they say $176,000 salary for the recorder and her health and pension benefit. So probably over $200,000 a year. | Sep 08 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That only comes out to a savings of about 60 cents per tax payer in Lake County over a year, but it's a start. | Sep 08 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure they'll figure out how to waste it and raise taxes anyway. | Sep 08 22:59 |
| schestowitz__ | [22:56] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz NTFS Linux driver. | Sep 08 22:59 |
| schestowitz__ | Yes, I know | Sep 08 22:59 |
| schestowitz__ | phoronix wrote 2-3 times about this in 2-3 weeks | Sep 08 22:59 |
| schestowitz__ | e.g. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Paragon-Linux-NTFS-Driver-V2 | Sep 08 23:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Paragon Sends Out Updated NTFS Driver They Want To Mainline For The Linux Kernel - Phoronix | Sep 08 23:00 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wouldn't have any use for it. | Sep 08 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I immediately reformat external hard disks. | Sep 08 23:00 |
| schestowitz__ | FAT also http://techrights.org/2019/08/29/the-exfat-googlebomb/ | Sep 08 23:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Wants Linux to Use exFAT for the Same Reasons it Wants Everybody to Use OOXML | Techrights | Sep 08 23:00 | |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: but don't | Sep 08 23:00 |
| schestowitz__ | now you can use linux with ntfs | Sep 08 23:00 |
| schestowitz__ | lYnox | Sep 08 23:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: I called the Census office. | Sep 08 23:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had no idea that this extended stay was even here. | Sep 08 23:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The guy said he'd schedule some people to come out and do a count. | Sep 08 23:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20200907/lake-county-voters-could-reshape-government-in-november | Sep 08 23:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailyherald.com | Lake County voters could reshape government in November | Sep 08 23:20 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois has been doing government consolidation more recently. | Sep 08 23:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Village officials have proposed doubling the local sales tax to 1%. The overall sales tax on general goods in the village is 7.5%, so that would rise to 8%. | Sep 08 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The extra tax would generate about $2 million annually, officials have said. | Sep 08 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would fund reconstruction of Paulus Park Barn, which was gutted by a fire in November 2019. It also would pay for improvements at fire station No. 1." | Sep 08 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I'd have to vote no on something like that. I don't like in Lake Zurich though. | Sep 08 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It generally doesn't matter why they say they're raising taxes. It doesn't go away after the reason they say they want it is taken care of. | Sep 08 23:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A half a percent hike in sales tax would take hundreds of dollars away from each family per year and give it to government, which will find a way to spend it, usually doing something that doesn't benefit them. | Sep 08 23:24 |
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