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| schestowitz | *tier | Nov 08 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | typo there | Nov 08 00:00 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: your vote, your choice | Nov 08 00:00 |
| CrystalMath | have fun with covid restrictions | Nov 08 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Aryan isn't even well defined | Nov 08 00:00 |
| schestowitz | we still call many people here Saxons and Saxony is in Germany | Nov 08 00:00 |
| schestowitz | where our so-called royals partly come from, in the ancestry sense | Nov 08 00:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: there are 71 million (and counting) adults in your country who think like Rump and CrystalMath | Nov 08 00:01 |
| schestowitz | some are even ON crystal meth | Nov 08 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Looks like the prosecutor that filed the charges against me is on the way out. | Nov 08 00:01 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i don't really think we're all alike | Nov 08 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I was very eager to vote, you know. | Nov 08 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For the other guy. | Nov 08 00:02 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: some of them are actually pretty hostile to libertarianism | Nov 08 00:02 |
| CrystalMath | i'm not socially conservative, at all | Nov 08 00:02 |
| oiaohm | We know trump when he got voted in there was levels of ellection fraud in his camp and people even got procecuted for it. | Nov 08 00:02 |
| schestowitz | [18:49] <CrystalMath> definitely a strong push towards anarcho-primitivism | Nov 08 00:02 |
| CrystalMath | yes | Nov 08 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: You think I should send him a note that says "You're fired." after the final results are in? | Nov 08 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Unabomber is only a few steps away | Nov 08 00:02 |
| CrystalMath | yes, Dr. Theodore Kaczynski | Nov 08 00:02 |
| CrystalMath | i believe i mentioned him earlier | Nov 08 00:02 |
| schestowitz | you seem to respect him | Nov 08 00:03 |
| schestowitz | but then again, Trump and all... | Nov 08 00:03 |
| oiaohm | So if trump has lost to a person doing ellection fraud I would call it fair because he got in that way as well. | Nov 08 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Bannon wanted to put heads on pikes. | Nov 08 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Got nuked from Twitter | Nov 08 00:03 |
| schestowitz | wanted Fauci's head on a pike | Nov 08 00:03 |
| CrystalMath | well i think that what he did was terrible and couldn't have possibly worked, and probably backfired too | Nov 08 00:03 |
| schestowitz | beheading health officials... a new low | Nov 08 00:03 |
| CrystalMath | but i think the unabomber was right in principle, that is, his paper is really good | Nov 08 00:03 |
| CrystalMath | Industrial Society and its Future | Nov 08 00:03 |
| schestowitz | lol | Nov 08 00:03 |
| schestowitz | ok... oohhhh kay | Nov 08 00:04 |
| CrystalMath | i'm anti-technology, especially the most modern stuff | Nov 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz | forest dwellers that eat rabbits aren't the solution | Nov 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz | cybrNaut: you use tech to type | Nov 08 00:04 |
| CrystalMath | Dr. Kaczynski said that the technology that's bad is the one that requires massive organizing in order to use | Nov 08 00:05 |
| CrystalMath | that would include the internet, then | Nov 08 00:05 |
| CrystalMath | but not typewriters | Nov 08 00:05 |
| MinceR | so you can build a typewriter at home? | Nov 08 00:06 |
| CrystalMath | i can try | Nov 08 00:06 |
| schestowitz | [00:05] <CrystalMath> Dr. Kaczynski said that the technology that's bad is the one that requires massive organizing in order to use | Nov 08 00:06 |
| CrystalMath | it sounds tedious | Nov 08 00:06 |
| CrystalMath | i hgae one | Nov 08 00:06 |
| CrystalMath | *have | Nov 08 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Good thing your "doctor" made bombs with lumber and water :-) | Nov 08 00:06 |
| schestowitz | and not some "tech" | Nov 08 00:06 |
| CrystalMath | if you can build it at home, it's not bad tech | Nov 08 00:07 |
| CrystalMath | only it's a bomb, so it IS bad :P | Nov 08 00:07 |
| CrystalMath | but for a different reason | Nov 08 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Mom kept dismissing me over the years when I said Trump would be a one term president and most people didn't want him in the first place. | Nov 08 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then she was like "Well, you needed a pacifier 4 years ago when he won." I said, "Hold on, it's probably in one of these boxes. Seems you need it more.". | Nov 08 00:07 |
| schestowitz | he goes | Nov 08 00:07 |
| schestowitz | covid stays | Nov 08 00:07 |
| schestowitz | superspreader | Nov 08 00:07 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: another thing that shocked me lately is that they're gonna kill 15 million minks in denmark; also apparently denmark farms as many as 15 million poor minks just for their fur | Nov 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: alongside gonad's viagra pack | Nov 08 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ouch | Nov 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: yes, an open secret | Nov 08 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, he voted for Trump last time too, right before he died. | Nov 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz | techrights.org/2016/10/12/epo-dkpto-danish-stories-index/ | Nov 08 00:09 |
| schestowitz | big business for their gov. | Nov 08 00:09 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2016/10/12/epo-dkpto-danish-stories-index/ | Nov 08 00:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index: Our Jesper Kongstad Series of Danish Stories | Techrights | Nov 08 00:09 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: kamikaze voters | Nov 08 00:09 |
| *schestowitz waits for conspiracy theory about how china engineered covid to kill of trump voters for 2020 | Nov 08 00:10 | |
| schestowitz | Trump: CHOOOOYNA did it! | Nov 08 00:10 |
| CrystalMath | i don't think Trump voters died | Nov 08 00:10 |
| MinceR | yeah, they're immune to SARS-CoV-2 | Nov 08 00:10 |
| schestowitz | many covid deniers were trump voters | Nov 08 00:11 |
| CrystalMath | 99% of the people are immune to the virus | Nov 08 00:11 |
| MinceR | first the virions go to the cranial cavity | Nov 08 00:11 |
| vZS1 | Shh | Nov 08 00:11 |
| schestowitz | and his base is older | Nov 08 00:11 |
| MinceR | if they find no brain, they leave without infecting | Nov 08 00:11 |
| MinceR | thus Agent Orange's supporters are spared | Nov 08 00:11 |
| schestowitz | [00:11] <CrystalMath> 99% of the people are immune to the virus | Nov 08 00:11 |
| vZS1 | Nobody, NOBODY, has been harder on China than he has | Nov 08 00:11 |
| schestowitz | good | Nov 08 00:11 |
| CrystalMath | no it's just that only 1.5 million died of the virus in the whole world | Nov 08 00:11 |
| CrystalMath | it can't really make an impact | Nov 08 00:11 |
| schestowitz | so immunity now means nothing | Nov 08 00:11 |
| CrystalMath | only 200,000 in the entire US | Nov 08 00:12 |
| vZS1 | *waves fingers around* | Nov 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | 99.9% of people are immune to car accidents. Yay!!! | Nov 08 00:12 |
| vZS1 | I wonder what the Kremlin is doing | Nov 08 00:12 |
| CrystalMath | they did find a mutation on the X chromosome that may cause covid worsening | Nov 08 00:12 |
| CrystalMath | i think in TLR7 | Nov 08 00:13 |
| vZS1 | Hoping for Ivanka 2024? | Nov 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Ivan-kaka 2020 | Nov 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz | High achiever | Nov 08 00:13 |
| MinceR | everyone currently alive is immortal. for now... | Nov 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz | born rich, got award from the Internet Society to suck up (lobby) to the dictator | Nov 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz | because nobody did more for the Internet than Ivan-kaka | Nov 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz | move over, Vint Cerf | Nov 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz | 'kaka is coming | Nov 08 00:14 |
| MinceR | hnnng | Nov 08 00:14 |
| CrystalMath | Jo Jorgensen <3 | Nov 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz | unlike bill gates, she didn't need mom (ivana) to get a deal with IBM | Nov 08 00:14 |
| CrystalMath | for president 2024! | Nov 08 00:14 |
| MinceR | you'd need to get rid of the two-party system for that | Nov 08 00:15 |
| CrystalMath | it was slightly buckled under Trump, who was an independent for the most part | Nov 08 00:15 |
| MinceR | ah yes, the old "independent" lie | Nov 08 00:15 |
| MinceR | let me guess, he magically turned mike pants into an "independent" too? | Nov 08 00:16 |
| CrystalMath | how is he not independent? he has a history of supporting abortion | Nov 08 00:16 |
| CrystalMath | a republican | Nov 08 00:16 |
| CrystalMath | no, Mike Pence sits there and attracts the religious nutjob votes | Nov 08 00:16 |
| CrystalMath | he's like a magnet | Nov 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | indiana | Nov 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | swing state | Nov 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | "Vote local" | Nov 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz | anyway | Nov 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz | irc logs generated | Nov 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz | will link in morning | Nov 08 00:17 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: don't know if you saw but I pinged you in one of the other channels. | Nov 08 00:18 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: the claim that 99% of people are immune to the virus is known to be false . Cruise ship results say about 85% of the population will not have a strong enough immune system to not be infected with enough exposure. | Nov 08 00:18 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: by immune i mean it will pass through them without issues | Nov 08 00:18 |
| oiaohm | That is not true either. | Nov 08 00:18 |
| oiaohm | About 20 percent have long term sideeffect that have had the virus. | Nov 08 00:19 |
| MinceR | plus that's not what "immune" means | Nov 08 00:19 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: bullcrap | Nov 08 00:19 |
| oiaohm | About 1 percent die. | Nov 08 00:19 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: yes, yes, but i had to exaggerate it a little | Nov 08 00:19 |
| oiaohm | The virus creates blood clots. | Nov 08 00:19 |
| oiaohm | That cuases nice set of long term issues. | Nov 08 00:19 |
| oiaohm | Of course we are not sure at this stage if all that 20 percent who are still alive will 100 percent recover. | Nov 08 00:20 |
| CrystalMath | i say bullcrap because a lot of people who've had it are just fine | Nov 08 00:20 |
| CrystalMath | i'm fairly i could count up at least 10 who are all fine | Nov 08 00:20 |
| CrystalMath | that i personally know of | Nov 08 00:20 |
| CrystalMath | that were actually found to be positive | Nov 08 00:21 |
| CrystalMath | not to mention that these is 100% of the people i know that were infected | Nov 08 00:21 |
| CrystalMath | *this is | Nov 08 00:21 |
| CrystalMath | i don't know anyone who has long-term consequences or has died | Nov 08 00:22 |
| MinceR | wow, what a sample size | Nov 08 00:22 |
| MinceR | everybody, stop the scientific research | Nov 08 00:22 |
| CrystalMath | look with 20%, at this crazy high infection rate | Nov 08 00:22 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath sees it all, in a sample size of 10 | Nov 08 00:22 |
| schestowitz | I know some who died of covid19 | Nov 08 00:22 |
| CrystalMath | it's impossible that none of us know | Nov 08 00:22 |
| schestowitz | even relatively young, like 60 and healthy | Nov 08 00:22 |
| CrystalMath | that's sad and unfortunate | Nov 08 00:22 |
| schestowitz | and some who just barely survived | Nov 08 00:22 |
| schestowitz | now scarred | Nov 08 00:22 |
| CrystalMath | lung fibrosis? | Nov 08 00:23 |
| MinceR | i don't know why anyone learns any profession anymore, when we have oracles available online who know better than everyone | Nov 08 00:23 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i'm just calling bullcrap on the 20% figure | Nov 08 00:23 |
| schestowitz | who respect unabomber :-) | Nov 08 00:23 |
| CrystalMath | there's just no way | Nov 08 00:23 |
| schestowitz | and trump | Nov 08 00:23 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: yeah, totally proven | Nov 08 00:23 |
| CrystalMath | i'm sure it happens | Nov 08 00:23 |
| CrystalMath | maybe if i knew 100 people, there would be 2 | Nov 08 00:23 |
| CrystalMath | who have had serious consequences | Nov 08 00:23 |
| MinceR | we have someone else call bullcrap on a figure from the other direction and we have an exact number | Nov 08 00:24 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/risk-comms-updates/update-36-long-term-symptoms.pdf the 20% numbers are not crap. | Nov 08 00:24 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: that's not how probability works | Nov 08 00:24 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: try a real scientific paper | Nov 08 00:24 |
| CrystalMath | not the WHO, which claimed that it's not transmissible between people | Nov 08 00:24 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: that is based off a real scientific paper. | Nov 08 00:25 |
| CrystalMath | i'll try to find that one | Nov 08 00:25 |
| oiaohm | Just because its a real scientific paper does not mean it cannot be wrong. WHO early claim was based off a real paper as well. | Nov 08 00:25 |
| schestowitz | it didn't claim that | Nov 08 00:26 |
| oiaohm | But it was not that it was not possible to pass between people at all. That the spread vectors was not as effective. | Nov 08 00:26 |
| schestowitz | WHO is corrupt some of the time, but that does not change the seriousness of covid | Nov 08 00:26 |
| schestowitz | also, just because many people profit from it doesn't mean they conspired to spread or create it | Nov 08 00:27 |
| schestowitz | it can be true at the same time that WHO is corrupt, the rich get richer from covid, and covid isn't man-made and is at the same time very lethal | Nov 08 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Australia studies match the 20% long term effects as well. And we are not sure how bad those long term will be. | Nov 08 00:27 |
| schestowitz | but the conspiracy minds are wired like toys | Nov 08 00:27 |
| schestowitz | so to them all correlations are causal in nature | Nov 08 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Humans can function with quite a bit wrong. | Nov 08 00:28 |
| schestowitz | and so if WHO says X, the opposite is true | Nov 08 00:28 |
| schestowitz | and to some people everything trump says must be false | Nov 08 00:28 |
| schestowitz | even if based on grains of truth | Nov 08 00:28 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: germany stufied cardiac effects | Nov 08 00:28 |
| schestowitz | and it was very grim | Nov 08 00:28 |
| schestowitz | not even studying the lung tissue | Nov 08 00:29 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-10-21/coronavirus-covid-19-effects-on-the-heart/12795726 USA Australia Germany all studied the same thing with Cardiac. | Nov 08 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abc.net.au | COVID-19's effects on the heart: Here's what we know so far - ABC News | Nov 08 00:30 | |
| oiaohm | Horrible it says you have Covid-19 you can appear to walk away fine but be in fact leaving with long term heart damage that we are not sure if it will keep on progressing or not. | Nov 08 00:31 |
| oiaohm | So Covid-19 might kill you like 20 years after you had it. | Nov 08 00:31 |
| CrystalMath | okay i ended up lazying out and reading the WHO paper | Nov 08 00:31 |
| CrystalMath | so the whole idea of not-highly-affected patients suffering from long term consequences | Nov 08 00:32 |
| CrystalMath | apparently comes from studies done on SARS-CoV-1 | Nov 08 00:32 |
| CrystalMath | that's not empirical evidence of danger, it's just scaring people | Nov 08 00:32 |
| oiaohm | We have been seeing SARS-CoV-2 match up when you check for the markers. | Nov 08 00:32 |
| CrystalMath | at least, and i thank them for this... they named the disease COVID and not SARS2 | Nov 08 00:32 |
| oiaohm | COVID is the 2 | Nov 08 00:33 |
| CrystalMath | naming it SARS2 would be an extreme spread of FUD | Nov 08 00:33 |
| MinceR | yes, doing things the logical way is now "FUD" | Nov 08 00:34 |
| oiaohm | SARS-CoV-2 is the formal name of the virus. | Nov 08 00:34 |
| CrystalMath | it's not logical, because it's barely a fraction of the danger of SARS | Nov 08 00:34 |
| CrystalMath | yes but the disease | Nov 08 00:34 |
| CrystalMath | is called COVID | Nov 08 00:34 |
| MinceR | no, it is not | Nov 08 00:35 |
| CrystalMath | and that's what we're saying to people | Nov 08 00:35 |
| MinceR | it's called COVID-19 | Nov 08 00:35 |
| oiaohm | The disease has the place holder name COVID-19 | Nov 08 00:35 |
| MinceR | still a placeholder? | Nov 08 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Its still a place holder. | Nov 08 00:35 |
| MinceR | it would be logical that if SARS-CoV-1 causes SARS, then SARS-CoV-2 causes SARS2 | Nov 08 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Its like how HIV had a place holder for a long time. | Nov 08 00:35 |
| CrystalMath | we have not seen evidence of SARS-CoV-2 causing anywhere near the destruction of SARS-CoV-1 | Nov 08 00:36 |
| oiaohm | SARS-CoV-2 has a higher kill percentage than SARS-CoV-1 to start off with. | Nov 08 00:36 |
| oiaohm | So it is a more dangerous virus. | Nov 08 00:36 |
| CrystalMath | are you sure? i thought the consensus was that SARS-CoV-1 has a 10% death rate | Nov 08 00:37 |
| CrystalMath | and a 40% rate of causing the severe form of the illness | Nov 08 00:37 |
| MinceR | i thought it was better at spreading and worse at causing damag | Nov 08 00:37 |
| CrystalMath | i'd say that's pretty nasty | Nov 08 00:37 |
| MinceR | e | Nov 08 00:37 |
| oiaohm | To be correct untreated kill rate. | Nov 08 00:38 |
| CrystalMath | well perhaps (my theory) treatment doesn't really help much | Nov 08 00:38 |
| oiaohm | With SARS-CoV-2 we started with some medical knowledge form the first virus on treatments. | Nov 08 00:38 |
| CrystalMath | mostly because it's symptomatic (except in the case of hydroxychloroquine but that might not work) | Nov 08 00:38 |
| oiaohm | hydrosychloroquine in fact does not work,. | Nov 08 00:39 |
| CrystalMath | remdesivir is another example of a virus-targetting drug | Nov 08 00:39 |
| CrystalMath | but that also might not work | Nov 08 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Its the different physical intervention things like draining lungs of fulid at the start of Sars the first one that was though to be a wrong move and was not done. | Nov 08 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Those errors massively increased death rate. | Nov 08 00:40 |
| oiaohm | for sars and lowed it for covid-19. | Nov 08 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Without medical treatment covid-19 is the more dangerous one. | Nov 08 00:41 |
| CrystalMath | https://www.news-medical.net/health/How-does-SARS-CoV-2-Compare-to-SARS-CoV.aspx | Nov 08 00:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.news-medical.net | How does SARS-CoV-2 Compare to SARS-CoV? | Nov 08 00:42 | |
| CrystalMath | it would seem that people who NEED hospitalization is quite different | Nov 08 00:42 |
| CrystalMath | 70% vs. 20% | Nov 08 00:42 |
| CrystalMath | that's significant | Nov 08 00:42 |
| CrystalMath | but i actually doubt the 20% figure, because | Nov 08 00:42 |
| CrystalMath | i personally know people who have had contact with someone positive | Nov 08 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | and got sick | Nov 08 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | and got a fever | Nov 08 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | and never reported this | Nov 08 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | it's safe to assume this happens a lot | Nov 08 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | lots of people have had covid that you just don't know | Nov 08 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | and obviously they didn't need treatment | Nov 08 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | if they did, they'd have to admit they're sick | Nov 08 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Transmissibility R0 is the big problem the numbers there are wrong. | Nov 08 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | and you'd know about it | Nov 08 00:43 |
| oiaohm | with covid-19 its soemwhere between 0 to 70+ days. | Nov 08 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | an incubation period of 70 days? | Nov 08 00:44 |
| CrystalMath | i call bullcrap | Nov 08 00:44 |
| oiaohm | That was documented in the USA> | Nov 08 00:44 |
| CrystalMath | (and i still call bullcrap on the 20% figure) | Nov 08 00:44 |
| CrystalMath | simply because i know of many unaccounted for cases | Nov 08 00:44 |
| CrystalMath | our officials particularly suck at contact tracing | Nov 08 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Sars also turned out to have a lot of unaccount cases but that not important when something has a short cycle of infection. | Nov 08 00:45 |
| MinceR | our government decided simply to not do contact tracing | Nov 08 00:45 |
| MinceR | they said "you can't stop the pandemic with contact tracing" | Nov 08 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Because those people get well and don't come a spreading source. | Nov 08 00:46 |
| MinceR | earlier they said "you can't stop the pandemic with testing" | Nov 08 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Sars did not require heavy contact tracing as much to kill it off. | Nov 08 00:46 |
| MinceR | and that masks only make you more likely to be infected | Nov 08 00:46 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: yeah but Orban is nasty to LGBT people :( | Nov 08 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Australia is using sewage testing to locate covd-19 cases due to how long people can be infected and spreading with no symtoms. | Nov 08 00:47 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: orban is nasty to pretty much everyone | Nov 08 00:49 |
| schestowitz | except the boss | Nov 08 00:49 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: https://www.livescience.com/woman-sheds-infectious-coronavirus-70-days.html do note that is at least 70 days infection spreading. Its 70 days from when she was detected infected and spreading. | Nov 08 00:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.livescience.com | Woman with COVID-19 sheds infectious virus for a record 70 days | Live Science | Nov 08 00:51 | |
| oiaohm | Yes no symtoms. | Nov 08 00:51 |
| CrystalMath | ah, not onset to symptoms, but asymptomatic | Nov 08 00:51 |
| CrystalMath | okay | Nov 08 00:51 |
| CrystalMath | yes i believe that, not bullcrap | Nov 08 00:51 |
| vZS1 | > and that masks only make you more likely to be infected | Nov 08 00:51 |
| oiaohm | That makes covid-19 a lot larger problem. | Nov 08 00:51 |
| CrystalMath | well that's a pretty good virus | Nov 08 00:52 |
| vZS1 | Now that's just daft | Nov 08 00:52 |
| CrystalMath | vZS1: i know, it's bullcrap, but funny :P | Nov 08 00:52 |
| oiaohm | Also the fact that its documented the human body will forgot what covid-19 is so you can get infected more than once. | Nov 08 00:52 |
| oiaohm | If they virus sticks around long enough. | Nov 08 00:53 |
| CrystalMath | again, that sounds like a pretty nice virus | Nov 08 00:53 |
| CrystalMath | it just enters, duplicates, and spreads | Nov 08 00:53 |
| CrystalMath | no issues | Nov 08 00:53 |
| CrystalMath | there's a lot of those | Nov 08 00:54 |
| CrystalMath | many are coronaviruses, like, Duvinacovirus | Nov 08 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Except 1/5 times you are inffected it does minor damage that could be acculmative. | Nov 08 00:54 |
| CrystalMath | then again even that one has been documented to have killed one elderly man | Nov 08 00:54 |
| CrystalMath | you just can't save anyone, really... people will die no matter what | Nov 08 00:54 |
| CrystalMath | what you can do is make their short lives valuable | Nov 08 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Result could be shorter lifespans long term. | Nov 08 00:55 |
| CrystalMath | but not shown to be | Nov 08 00:55 |
| CrystalMath | it's just a possibility | Nov 08 00:55 |
| CrystalMath | the paper you linked to says we don't really know | Nov 08 00:56 |
| CrystalMath | and i believe people when they say they don't know | Nov 08 00:56 |
| oiaohm | As I said could be. | Nov 08 00:56 |
| oiaohm | We know so much but we don;'t know it all yet. | Nov 08 00:56 |
| oiaohm | The damage from the infection is known. | Nov 08 00:56 |
| oiaohm | How well it will repair and what the effects of getting hit more than once are well will find out in future. | Nov 08 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Now it might be a good thing to reduce the number of people who have to find out in future now. | Nov 08 00:57 |
| CrystalMath | i have not been able to find a documented case of mild covid-19 causing lasting damage | Nov 08 00:58 |
| CrystalMath | also a lot of things might be a good thing | Nov 08 00:59 |
| CrystalMath | it might be a good thing to buy everyone a pony | Nov 08 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It sucks having Mandy's second language be English. | Nov 08 00:59 |
| CrystalMath | but the cost matters | Nov 08 00:59 |
| CrystalMath | things don't fall from sky | Nov 08 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Jokes go right over him. | Nov 08 00:59 |
| oiaohm | UK has a few cases of people with perfect hearts before covid-19 but with damage after that is are classed as not repairable. | Nov 08 00:59 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: was it asymptomatic/mild covid-19? | Nov 08 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The radio station is playing Creep by Radiohead. | Nov 08 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "You know, if we had gone to Sofa King to get the couch during a sale it would be a Sofa King special.". | Nov 08 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He just stares blankly at me. | Nov 08 01:00 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: yes one was a doctor who is no longer able to be a doctor he was asymptomatic other than have a heart condition from no where. | Nov 08 01:00 |
| oiaohm | Then virus. | Nov 08 01:00 |
| oiaohm | detected. | Nov 08 01:00 |
| oiaohm | It was what started the research into that covid-19 could have long term issues. | Nov 08 01:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I suggested these iFD air filter things to mom for her nursing home. | Nov 08 01:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have a germs setting that traps the germs. | Nov 08 01:01 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: is there evidence that the virus did it? | Nov 08 01:01 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: from the dead cell material yes. | Nov 08 01:02 |
| CrystalMath | maybe the heart condition was there all along, hmm | Nov 08 01:02 |
| CrystalMath | so they opened him up to do a biopsy? | Nov 08 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Particular biopsy you don't need to open up to get from the heart. The though blood vessle stuff for treating heart problems. | Nov 08 01:03 |
| oiaohm | But yes it biospy | Nov 08 01:03 |
| vZS1 | https://www.gov.uk/government/news/companies-house-urges-all-companies-to-sign-up-for-email-reminders | Nov 08 01:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Companies House urges all companies to sign up for email reminders - GOV.UK | Nov 08 01:03 | |
| oiaohm | Lot of covid-19 long term symtoms match symtoms of comporised heart. | Nov 08 01:04 |
| oiaohm | It also asks the question how many people do we have dieing from heart and other conditions that are really caused by viruses we are letting spread non controlled. | Nov 08 01:06 |
| schestowitz | [00:59] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: It sucks having Mandy's second language be English. | Nov 08 01:08 |
| schestowitz | at least he speaks multiple languages. Can you? | Nov 08 01:08 |
| CrystalMath | okay so apparently myocarditis due to the virus actually entering the cells, hmm | Nov 08 01:08 |
| CrystalMath | but you know even influenza can do this | Nov 08 01:09 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: greenwashing | Nov 08 01:09 |
| schestowitz | less services, same price, no hard copies | Nov 08 01:09 |
| schestowitz | "coz cov" | Nov 08 01:09 |
| schestowitz | some utility companies are attempting the same now | Nov 08 01:09 |
| vZS1 | I print out paper copies of important emails | Nov 08 01:09 |
| CrystalMath | i love paper too | Nov 08 01:10 |
| schestowitz | you need to make special requests to keep hard copies coming | Nov 08 01:10 |
| schestowitz | or pay extra | Nov 08 01:10 |
| CrystalMath | can't put DRM on paper | Nov 08 01:10 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I can! | Nov 08 01:10 |
| CrystalMath | at least not regular paper | Nov 08 01:10 |
| CrystalMath | with regular ink | Nov 08 01:10 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: tell them you don't have emails | Nov 08 01:10 |
| schestowitz | they can carry on sending those | Nov 08 01:10 |
| schestowitz | for those who are exceptional | Nov 08 01:10 |
| schestowitz | just need to find their secret routes | Nov 08 01:11 |
| schestowitz | like they have Braille needs | Nov 08 01:11 |
| vZS1 | I'll have to look into it | Nov 08 01:11 |
| vZS1 | Don't want to lose my paper mail | Nov 08 01:11 |
| schestowitz | there's always "a way" | Nov 08 01:11 |
| schestowitz | they just hide it or don't make it easy | Nov 08 01:12 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: they always say it's your benefit | Nov 08 01:12 |
| schestowitz | same with "smart meters" | Nov 08 01:12 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: you could print DRM-encrusted data in the form of QR-like codes, barcodes or even base64 or digits | Nov 08 01:12 |
| schestowitz | because "smart" End of Story | Nov 08 01:12 |
| MinceR | the reader would have to have a key to decrypt the data | Nov 08 01:12 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: right, but you can also NOT do that :) | Nov 08 01:13 |
| MinceR | you can also NOT do that on most other storage media | Nov 08 01:13 |
| vZS1 | Well, technically you don't need the reader the decrypt anything. It would just read and then description can be handled by something else | Nov 08 01:13 |
| vZS1 | decryption* | Nov 08 01:13 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: influenza is tracked and vaccines against to reduce the myocarditis of it. But there are a lot of other viruses we have not been taking seriously. | Nov 08 01:13 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: basically covid-19 is a good kick up ass in this department. | Nov 08 01:14 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: except influenza has been doing this for all this time, and we still lived way too long and overpopulated the planet | Nov 08 01:14 |
| schestowitz | you support trump | Nov 08 01:15 |
| schestowitz | he opposes abortion | Nov 08 01:15 |
| CrystalMath | he said he supports abortion in 1990 | Nov 08 01:15 |
| schestowitz | and you are happy for a lethal virus to spread to everyone | Nov 08 01:15 |
| oiaohm | Our expanding life span does line up with better influenza control in a lot of ways. | Nov 08 01:15 |
| schestowitz | so your depopulation plan is rather inhumane and you admit so yourself | Nov 08 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Trump is a man of his word, yes. | Nov 08 01:15 |
| MinceR | well, considering how cruel this depopulation plan is, i'd say it's actually pretty typical of humans :> | Nov 08 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | He can change his mind in 30 minutes, but 1990 – this he will honour forever. | Nov 08 01:16 |
| oiaohm | We would not be as overpopulated if we were not doing controls against influenza. | Nov 08 01:16 |
| MinceR | he has a mind? | Nov 08 01:16 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: precisely my point | Nov 08 01:16 |
| schestowitz | trump lobbied and pressured OTHER countries to ban abortion too | Nov 08 01:16 |
| schestowitz | using sanctions | Nov 08 01:16 |
| schestowitz | and conditions/threats | Nov 08 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: He has opinions. | Nov 08 01:16 |
| oiaohm | But if we want to explore space we do need to expand lifespan. | Nov 08 01:16 |
| schestowitz | so much pro-abortion :-D | Nov 08 01:16 |
| MinceR | ah. | Nov 08 01:16 |
| vZS1 | I do this quite often for when data is too critical to be transported over the internet. The data is encrypted; encrypted data is split up into chunks that can be printed out in something like dot matrix form. Data is delivered physically | Nov 08 01:17 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: that would be horrible if it were true | Nov 08 01:17 |
| schestowitz | three wives later and countless rapes later Trump wanted control over uterus | Nov 08 01:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Or at least it may seem that he has opinions, as it seems they are being generated on the fly :) | Nov 08 01:18 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: well listen, i probably have lots of damage already, and i'm gonna start smoking | Nov 08 01:18 |
| vZS1 | Recipient just scans and reassembles data. Then they decrypt the data after it's been reassembled. | Nov 08 01:18 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: so you do you what you want, sit in some mountain and live to be 110, i don't care | Nov 08 01:18 |
| CrystalMath | just, let me die here in peace | Nov 08 01:18 |
| schestowitz | you want to deprive other people of long lives | Nov 08 01:19 |
| schestowitz | by extending the reach of a virus | Nov 08 01:19 |
| schestowitz | that kills old people disproportionally | Nov 08 01:19 |
| schestowitz | and you are young yourself | Nov 08 01:19 |
| MinceR | 08 021816 < CrystalMath> oiaohm: well listen, i probably have lots of damage already, and i'm gonna start smoking | Nov 08 01:19 |
| *MinceR calls the fire department | Nov 08 01:19 | |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: Trump got it, and didn't die | Nov 08 01:19 |
| schestowitz | if you don't want to live long, jump off a bridge | Nov 08 01:19 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: not just old | Nov 08 01:19 |
| XRevan86 | there are other risk groups | Nov 08 01:19 |
| schestowitz | don't force 'old' people to die young | Nov 08 01:19 |
| MinceR | dump probably got the most expensive treatment available in uhmerica | Nov 08 01:20 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: $100,000 medical treatment | Nov 08 01:20 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: cigarettes of course | Nov 08 01:20 |
| schestowitz | in a country where people lack health coverage | Nov 08 01:20 |
| schestowitz | $100,000 medical treatment... for a few days | Nov 08 01:20 |
| CrystalMath | i mean i'm the last person who wishes death on old people, i think they're the best people we have | Nov 08 01:20 |
| schestowitz | or million plus for weeks in the ward | Nov 08 01:20 |
| schestowitz | with VIP treatment | Nov 08 01:21 |
| schestowitz | our PM nearly died | Nov 08 01:21 |
| schestowitz | in his 50s | Nov 08 01:21 |
| schestowitz | best treatment available saved him, it seems | Nov 08 01:21 |
| CrystalMath | Boris Johnson? | Nov 08 01:21 |
| schestowitz | doesn't scale to almost 70 million Brits | Nov 08 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Joris Bonson | Nov 08 01:21 |
| CrystalMath | okay, so you're british | Nov 08 01:21 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i tried to at least passively smoke but it's difficult | Nov 08 01:23 |
| CrystalMath | maybe if i try hard enough i'll get into it | Nov 08 01:23 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, a masochist | Nov 08 01:23 |
| schestowitz | [00:05] <CrystalMath> Dr. Kaczynski said that the technology that's bad is the one that requires massive organizing in order to use | Nov 08 01:24 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: yep, he singled out wide-range transportation and communication as particularly evil | Nov 08 01:24 |
| schestowitz | so this IRC channel has Microsoft Peter "drpizza" in it | Nov 08 01:25 |
| schestowitz | now a Unobomber admirer | Nov 08 01:25 |
| schestowitz | *una | Nov 08 01:25 |
| CrystalMath | what? | Nov 08 01:25 |
| CrystalMath | microsoft pizza? | Nov 08 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | you're warming up to unsavoury people | Nov 08 01:25 |
| schestowitz | like Trump | Nov 08 01:26 |
| schestowitz | and worse | Nov 08 01:26 |
| CrystalMath | i generally believe the system is bad, and these people are people who agree with me that the system as bad, and want to fix it, even if maybe they don't really know how and make mistakes | Nov 08 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Trump is not fixing a bad system | Nov 08 01:26 |
| CrystalMath | just because they do things wrong doesn't mean the system is good | Nov 08 01:26 |
| schestowitz | eugenics isn't either | Nov 08 01:27 |
| schestowitz | terror attacks on company execs isn't fixing things | Nov 08 01:27 |
| schestowitz | it increases surveillance | Nov 08 01:27 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: there are plenty of less nutty people who want to fix the system who would fuck up a lot less | Nov 08 01:27 |
| MinceR | s/who w/and w/ | Nov 08 01:27 |
| XRevan86 | Trump is a catalyst of a system erosion rather than someone who's fixing it. | Nov 08 01:27 |
| MinceR | undo | Nov 08 01:27 |
| CrystalMath | i never advocate for those bombs, i don't even want to call him the unabomber | Nov 08 01:27 |
| CrystalMath | i say Dr. Theodore Kaczynski and his scientific paper | Nov 08 01:27 |
| schestowitz | he called himself that | Nov 08 01:27 |
| CrystalMath | actually the FBI thought of that | Nov 08 01:28 |
| schestowitz | iirc | Nov 08 01:28 |
| CrystalMath | it's an acronym | Nov 08 01:28 |
| schestowitz | united airlines | Nov 08 01:28 |
| CrystalMath | UNiversity and Airline BOMber | Nov 08 01:28 |
| CrystalMath | or UNABOM | Nov 08 01:28 |
| CrystalMath | the media then expanded the last part into bomber | Nov 08 01:28 |
| CrystalMath | so unabomber | Nov 08 01:28 |
| schestowitz | bombing professors | Nov 08 01:29 |
| schestowitz | like Bannon wants to behead fauci | Nov 08 01:29 |
| schestowitz | to make a point | Nov 08 01:29 |
| CrystalMath | a scientist and professor recently wrote a BOOK with Dr. Kaczynski! | Nov 08 01:29 |
| schestowitz | hope that fat f*** bannon catches covid | Nov 08 01:29 |
| schestowitz | and then pikes himself | Nov 08 01:29 |
| CrystalMath | he's not treated like a lunatic by the very people he targetted | Nov 08 01:29 |
| CrystalMath | which further proves his actions were completely wrong | Nov 08 01:29 |
| schestowitz | wrote a K00K with Dr. Kaczynski! | Nov 08 01:30 |
| CrystalMath | it's precisely intellectual people who are going to resonate with the idea that society is going in a bad direction | Nov 08 01:30 |
| schestowitz | maybe you can do a collab with Hans Reiser when ht gets out | Nov 08 01:30 |
| CrystalMath | lol :P | Nov 08 01:30 |
| schestowitz | as if to proves that somehow makes chopping nina to pieces "OK" | Nov 08 01:30 |
| schestowitz | anyway, gn all | Nov 08 01:31 |
| CrystalMath | both me and the professor who write a book with him condemn the actions he did | Nov 08 01:31 |
| CrystalMath | goodnight schestowitz | Nov 08 01:31 |
| MinceR | probably not with the idea that luddism is the solution | Nov 08 01:31 |
| MinceR | gn schestowitz | Nov 08 01:31 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: this professor does | Nov 08 01:32 |
| CrystalMath | but not a return to hunter-gatherer societies | Nov 08 01:32 |
| MinceR | ah, another nutcase | Nov 08 01:32 |
| CrystalMath | but rather, to simpler technology | Nov 08 01:32 |
| CrystalMath | the theory is that we become depressed because we've been alienated from the process of our work | Nov 08 01:32 |
| CrystalMath | we don't get to actually do something on our own, entirely autonmously | Nov 08 01:33 |
| CrystalMath | except in some things, but | Nov 08 01:33 |
| CrystalMath | the things that we know truly matter are separated from that | Nov 08 01:33 |
| CrystalMath | like food, shelter, clothing, etc.. | Nov 08 01:33 |
| CrystalMath | we just go buy it, instead of creating it ourselves | Nov 08 01:33 |
| MinceR | in that case, you don't need to break things for other people to change the way you live | Nov 08 01:33 |
| MinceR | and we certainly don't need nutcases like kaczynski to plant bombs for that | Nov 08 01:34 |
| CrystalMath | indeed, but industrial society would have to make a reserve for us | Nov 08 01:34 |
| CrystalMath | sorta like an indian reservation | Nov 08 01:34 |
| CrystalMath | and still, would we be free from its surveillance? | Nov 08 01:34 |
| MinceR | or you could just change the sort of technology you use and the sort of work you do | Nov 08 01:34 |
| CrystalMath | but we want to build everything from scratch | Nov 08 01:34 |
| CrystalMath | it's safe to say, that stuff can't be advanced | Nov 08 01:35 |
| CrystalMath | it's just extreme DIY | Nov 08 01:35 |
| CrystalMath | hmm, you mean live in *this* society and just avoid technology? | Nov 08 01:35 |
| MinceR | yes | Nov 08 01:36 |
| CrystalMath | well for that, society would have to allow us to somehow get food, shelter, and clothing, but not ask us to use any digital stuff (therefore cash must exist) not be tracked (no RFIDs embedded) .. | Nov 08 01:36 |
| MinceR | possibly to live on a farm or something | Nov 08 01:36 |
| MinceR | or to move to live with the amish or something | Nov 08 01:36 |
| CrystalMath | maybe an amish society... | Nov 08 01:36 |
| CrystalMath | yeah it doesn't look like Kaczynski even mentioned them | Nov 08 01:37 |
| CrystalMath | i'll reread it | Nov 08 01:37 |
| CrystalMath | also, nobody was advocating for bombs | Nov 08 01:37 |
| CrystalMath | not even Kaczynski, he said he did it to get attention | Nov 08 01:38 |
| MinceR | they just happened | Nov 08 01:38 |
| CrystalMath | he already got his attention | Nov 08 01:38 |
| CrystalMath | and he succeeded - i read his paper | Nov 08 01:38 |
| MinceR | he should have consulted a psychiatrist then | Nov 08 01:38 |
| CrystalMath | he couldn't, he was living in the forest | Nov 08 01:38 |
| MinceR | blowing stuff up because you're desperate for attention is not sane | Nov 08 01:38 |
| CrystalMath | but it was to warn the world | Nov 08 01:38 |
| CrystalMath | of the evils of industrial society | Nov 08 01:39 |
| CrystalMath | and how technology keeps pushing people out of freedom | Nov 08 01:39 |
| CrystalMath | and out of nature | Nov 08 01:39 |
| MinceR | he managed to warn the world about his own evils | Nov 08 01:39 |
| CrystalMath | which makes them depressed | Nov 08 01:39 |
| CrystalMath | people can't be happy without nature and freedom | Nov 08 01:39 |
| MinceR | probably depends on the people in question | Nov 08 01:40 |
| MinceR | i do like to enjoy nature and insist on being free | Nov 08 01:40 |
| CrystalMath | some people think they don't but then wonder why they're depressed | Nov 08 01:40 |
| MinceR | but from what i can tell, most people insist on either being oppressed or oppressing others, or even both | Nov 08 01:40 |
| CrystalMath | and it's worse - every technology makes us dependent on it | Nov 08 01:41 |
| MinceR | you might as well give up, then | Nov 08 01:42 |
| MinceR | you're already dependent on every technology | Nov 08 01:42 |
| MinceR | therefore you can't afford to get rid of any of it | Nov 08 01:42 |
| CrystalMath | well no, anarcho-primitivists talk about something called rewilding | Nov 08 01:42 |
| CrystalMath | i still need to read up on that | Nov 08 01:43 |
| MinceR | are they so logically inconsistent too? | Nov 08 01:43 |
| CrystalMath | i'm sort of new to green ideologies, actually | Nov 08 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "at least he speaks multiple lang"> Nope. Just English and bad English. | Nov 08 01:50 |
| XRevan86 | is no bad english, all english good english | Nov 08 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So what happened to Putin's Russian Troll Farm? | Nov 08 01:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Was it puttin' along until it petered itself out? Or did Pootie Poot just give up on Trump? | Nov 08 01:57 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: could be, RT wrote badly of Trump ever since the soleimani shooting | Nov 08 01:57 |
| CrystalMath | (not that i believe russia actually manipulated US elections) | Nov 08 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Actually, I think he was blown up. | Nov 08 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Was he shot? | Nov 08 01:58 |
| CrystalMath | hmm | Nov 08 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I didn't pay much attention. | Nov 08 01:58 |
| CrystalMath | maybe it was a rocket | Nov 08 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: The Prigozhin's troll farm is still there. | Nov 08 01:58 |
| MinceR | looks like putler indeed gave up on Agent Orange | Nov 08 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | I don't think so, Orange is more beneficial to Putin | Nov 08 01:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, he threw the US into total chaos. | Nov 08 02:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe Putin got bored because with COVID-19 we're going to be much too distracted and broke to project much power for years anyway thanks to Trump. | Nov 08 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | That and NATO scepticism | Nov 08 02:00 |
| MinceR | dump failed to abolish the NATO though | Nov 08 02:01 |
| CrystalMath | unfortunately | Nov 08 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Biden's incoming administration is no doubt already pre-writing a bunch of executive orders he can sign right after the swearing in. | Nov 08 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably set records for that too. | Nov 08 02:01 |
| CrystalMath | i still hope maybe somehow the courts can reverse this | Nov 08 02:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The first thing, obviously, is to order all of the non-finalized regulations to be frozen until they can be reviewed. | Nov 08 02:02 |
| CrystalMath | and Trump can get 4 more years, abolish NATO, and form the United Planet of Russia | Nov 08 02:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The next is to sign dozens of orders reversing all of the low hanging fruit. | Nov 08 02:02 |
| CrystalMath | come on guys, russia's anthem sounds really good | Nov 08 02:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then have a shortlist of existing regulations to go through rulemaking to reverse in the next 6-12 months. | Nov 08 02:03 |
| CrystalMath | we'll blow all the aliens out of the spotlight with our awesome anthem | Nov 08 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | I don't think it's copyrighted | Nov 08 02:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I saw the ceremony when Medvedev pretended Putin wasn't the president for a few years. | Nov 08 02:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It looked like the end of a Star Wars movie. | Nov 08 02:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They really go all out. | Nov 08 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: You can take just the anthem, without Putin in the bundle :D | Nov 08 02:04 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: being serbian, i am definitely not fond of NATO | Nov 08 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: President is just a job | Nov 08 02:05 |
| CrystalMath | those people killed innocent children | Nov 08 02:05 |
| CrystalMath | over here | Nov 08 02:05 |
| CrystalMath | the US democrats in particular | Nov 08 02:05 |
| CrystalMath | during the Clinton administration | Nov 08 02:05 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Putin is what in Kazakhstan they call a National Leader | Nov 08 02:05 |
| XRevan86 | A de-facto ruler of the meta-government regardless of any assigned post. | Nov 08 02:06 |
| MinceR | sounds like what they called szalasi | Nov 08 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: The US republicans killed in Iraq | Nov 08 02:07 |
| CrystalMath | yes but that was Bush | Nov 08 02:07 |
| CrystalMath | that's the non-Trump republicans :P | Nov 08 02:07 |
| CrystalMath | Bush supported Biden | Nov 08 02:08 |
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| MinceR | did he manage to replace the entire party, including all their representatives and senators? impressive. | Nov 08 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No, he coughed at them, trumpness is very contagious | Nov 08 02:09 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: nope, without him it all goes back to hell | Nov 08 02:10 |
| CrystalMath | the party affiliation doesn't matter if he loses | Nov 08 02:10 |
| CrystalMath | the next US candidate i'll support will be the one that is firmly anti-interventionist | Nov 08 02:10 |
| MinceR | who would have thought that trumpness would be cured immediately by trump losing the election | Nov 08 02:10 |
| XRevan86 | Царь хороший, бояре плохие. | Nov 08 02:11 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 08 02:11 |
| CrystalMath | even if the only one is Vermin Supreme | Nov 08 02:11 |
| MinceR | too bad he has no chance to win | Nov 08 02:11 |
| CrystalMath | and it's all the fault of people like you who kept attacking Trump, the one and only anti-interventionist anti-war president in the recent history of the united states | Nov 08 02:12 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 08 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | (the tsar is good, the boyars are bad) | Nov 08 02:12 |
| CrystalMath | seriously just for that he should be given a nobel prize | Nov 08 02:12 |
| MinceR | yeah, who cares if he's also an anti-science antivax climate denialist | Nov 08 02:12 |
| CrystalMath | actually, even if i wasn't anti-science, i would say that | Nov 08 02:12 |
| MinceR | nobel peace prizes are meaningless, they should just sell them at the gift shop | Nov 08 02:12 |
| CrystalMath | because america is the world's problem | Nov 08 02:13 |
| MinceR | oh, i forgot "christian fundamentalist" | Nov 08 02:13 |
| CrystalMath | ad so is china, i guess | Nov 08 02:13 |
| MinceR | yes it is | Nov 08 02:13 |
| XRevan86 | and his reasoning is a lack of big picture perception | Nov 08 02:13 |
| MinceR | and twitler made it a much worse problem | Nov 08 02:13 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: how? by not being involved in other countries' matters? | Nov 08 02:13 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Trump is so stupid he doesn't understand how international alliances benefit the US. | Nov 08 02:14 |
| CrystalMath | who cares about what benefits the uS | Nov 08 02:14 |
| CrystalMath | i'm talking about the world | Nov 08 02:14 |
| CrystalMath | if Trump makes mistakes that weaken the US for the benefit of the world, then Trump is doing a good thing, just unintentionally | Nov 08 02:14 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Trying looking at it from the US self-interest perspective, they are the ones who are voting here after all. | Nov 08 02:14 |
| XRevan86 | * Try looking | Nov 08 02:14 |
| CrystalMath | so you should have encouraged voting for Trump | Nov 08 02:15 |
| MinceR | oh yeah, actively worsening global warming and promoting neofascism worldwide had absolutely no effect on other countries | Nov 08 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | I'm not the kind of person who'd mislead US citizens into self-harm and suffering. | Nov 08 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | There's also another aspect: notice what's happening in Armenia / Azerbaijan | Nov 08 02:16 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: not even if it would save the lives of innocent children? | Nov 08 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | The US losing its grip unties hands of local imperialists like Russia, China, Turkey | Nov 08 02:17 |
| MinceR | it also made matters worse in hungary | Nov 08 02:17 |
| XRevan86 | And through that innocent children can die just as well. | Nov 08 02:17 |
| MinceR | our nazi government will finally get more pushback next year | Nov 08 02:18 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: you seriously believe Trump elected Orban? | Nov 08 02:18 |
| MinceR | no | Nov 08 02:18 |
| CrystalMath | then how? | Nov 08 02:18 |
| MinceR | by not penalizing them, by not exercising soft power | Nov 08 02:18 |
| CrystalMath | so you want to go against the will of your own people | Nov 08 02:18 |
| MinceR | your favorite wannabe dictator even started laying his hands on RFERL recently | Nov 08 02:18 |
| CrystalMath | by force | Nov 08 02:18 |
| MinceR | oh, the oracle can tell me the will of these people? | Nov 08 02:19 |
| MinceR | tell me, oh oracle, what do the hungarian people want? | Nov 08 02:19 |
| CrystalMath | well that's just what you said | Nov 08 02:19 |
| CrystalMath | you said that Orban won only because the US didn't force him out | Nov 08 02:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: CrystalMath means that Orban was democratically elected last election. | Nov 08 02:19 |
| CrystalMath | not necessarily | Nov 08 02:19 |
| CrystalMath | it's just that MinceR seems to believe so, and wants to destroy that while thinking it's democratic | Nov 08 02:20 |
| CrystalMath | (maybe it's actually not democratic, i certainly don't know) | Nov 08 02:20 |
| CrystalMath | but if someone believes that an external force is required, then clearly you think you can't win fairly | Nov 08 02:20 |
| MinceR | 08 031928 < CrystalMath> you said that Orban won only because the US didn't force him out | Nov 08 02:20 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Nov 08 02:20 |
| CrystalMath | <@MinceR> by not penalizing them, by not exercising soft power | Nov 08 02:21 |
| CrystalMath | what does this mean? | Nov 08 02:21 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: well, the last free election we had was in 2010 | Nov 08 02:21 |
| XRevan86 | If the democracy is eroded, then the EU should intervene. Not really the US, it's not their jurisdiction. | Nov 08 02:21 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_power#United_States | Nov 08 02:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Soft power - Wikipedia | Nov 08 02:21 | |
| MinceR | (also see the rest of the article) | Nov 08 02:21 |
| MinceR | yes, the EU should intervene | Nov 08 02:21 |
| MinceR | but it doesn't | Nov 08 02:21 |
| CrystalMath | it sounds to me like you're trying to say... i can't beat Usain Bolt in a race, so this is Trump's fault because Trump was supposed to trip Usain Bolt near the finish line for me! | Nov 08 02:22 |
| MinceR | possibly it's because it's a limp-dicked shitpile that can't do anything | Nov 08 02:22 |
| MinceR | possibly it's because the most powerful members are in the pockets of the german car industry which exploits the situation by making their overpriced shitty cars for cheap in hungary | Nov 08 02:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Then the US should ask the EU what they're doing, not Hungary directly. | Nov 08 02:22 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: you should seriously deal with your cognitive dissonance | Nov 08 02:22 |
| CrystalMath | i don't like Orban | Nov 08 02:23 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: why, are there no us/hu diplomatic relations anymore? | Nov 08 02:23 |
| CrystalMath | but if the people truly want him | Nov 08 02:23 |
| CrystalMath | i just won't move to hungary | Nov 08 02:23 |
| CrystalMath | i'm not gonna take away these people's right to elect him just because i want this and that | Nov 08 02:23 |
| CrystalMath | who am i to say what is right or wrfong? | Nov 08 02:23 |
| CrystalMath | *wrong | Nov 08 02:23 |
| MinceR | how do you know the people truly want him? | Nov 08 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's the EU's business and the EU is a partner. | Nov 08 02:24 |
| MinceR | we've held 2 fake "elections" so far, under conditions he controlled in such a way that we can't know what the people want | Nov 08 02:24 |
| MinceR | orban controls the media except for a few websites that don't reach most voters | Nov 08 02:25 |
| CrystalMath | that sounds familiar | Nov 08 02:25 |
| MinceR | orban had the districts gerrymandered | Nov 08 02:25 |
| MinceR | orban handed out citizenship to people who never lived or paid taxes in the country, and occasionally buses them in so they can vote for him | Nov 08 02:25 |
| CrystalMath | that sounds familiar too | Nov 08 02:26 |
| MinceR | and he changed the rules so that last time he got 2/3 of the seats in the parliament by winning something like 45% of the votes | Nov 08 02:26 |
| MinceR | oh, and the corporation that tallied the votes serves him | Nov 08 02:26 |
| CrystalMath | and that happened in serbia this year | Nov 08 02:26 |
| CrystalMath | only it was more like 30% | Nov 08 02:26 |
| MinceR | he even tried to have a stooge buy the hungarian part of that corporation, i think that failed | Nov 08 02:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: How? Party percentage barrier? | Nov 08 02:26 |
| MinceR | all sorts of distortions | Nov 08 02:27 |
| MinceR | like individual candidates and all sorts of bonuses to the winning candidate's party | Nov 08 02:27 |
| MinceR | penalties for parties running together in an election (as the opposition parties were effectively forced to) | Nov 08 02:27 |
| MinceR | they also came up with fake parties and fake candidates in an attempt to confuse voters | Nov 08 02:28 |
| MinceR | and they've bought votes | Nov 08 02:28 |
| XRevan86 | Russia has a cool system where if a party doesn't pass a certain barrier they don't get seats and the ones that do get seats get their percentages proportionately to how much seats they already got. | Nov 08 02:28 |
| MinceR | but yeah, going by the (already distorted in orban's favor) 45% i'd say the people don't actually want him | Nov 08 02:28 |
| XRevan86 | United Russia being the ruling party (and hence consolidated) can steal opposition votes like that. | Nov 08 02:28 |
| MinceR | when orban's sockpuppet lost the election for prime mayor of budapest, they took all sorts of funds and control away from the prime mayor and handed them to the government | Nov 08 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | The ruling party is always consolidated, the opposition is always divided. | Nov 08 02:30 |
| MinceR | they even created some new position for the failed sockpuppet so they could keep giving him power | Nov 08 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | That's a very good property for FPTP voting and for systems that have barriers like that. | Nov 08 02:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: When Furgal won in Khabarovsk, the capital of Far East status moved to a United Russia controlled Vladivostok | Nov 08 02:32 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 08 02:32 |
| MinceR | the nazis have tried moving some functions from budapest to other cities | Nov 08 02:32 |
| MinceR | it's not as easy, as even their government drones aren't very fond of the idea of moving | Nov 08 02:32 |
| MinceR | especially since the country so damn centralized | Nov 08 02:33 |
| CrystalMath | Budapest has always been the historic capital, wasn't it? | Nov 08 02:33 |
| MinceR | but they are trying to slowly choke budapest to death | Nov 08 02:33 |
| MinceR | no | Nov 08 02:33 |
| MinceR | szekesfehervar and pozsony (bratislava) come to mind | Nov 08 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | Khabarovsk is still protesting the prosecution of Furgal. | Nov 08 02:34 |
| MinceR | though maybe the latter only had the national assembly in it | Nov 08 02:34 |
| XRevan86 | Impressive persistence | Nov 08 02:34 |
| XRevan86 | and unprecedented in Russian history | Nov 08 02:34 |
| MinceR | another interesting thing is that there is actually a part of budapest the nazis are fond of: the castle of buda | Nov 08 02:36 |
| MinceR | they've moved more functions there, kicked up more worthy users and maybe they'll try to keep that to themselves while they turn the rest of the city into some sort of post-apocalyptic wasteland | Nov 08 02:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Anyway, you can't really expect others to fix your shit. | Nov 08 02:50 |
| MinceR | i can't expect anyone to fix this shit | Nov 08 02:50 |
| MinceR | and i'm not a one man army | Nov 08 02:50 |
| XRevan86 | When others get involved in your shit, they're then get blamed for it. | Nov 08 02:50 |
| MinceR | i could maybe expect EU officials to stop lying about what they're doing | Nov 08 02:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If a lot of people assemble with each other, the world would be a better place to live. | Nov 08 02:52 |
| MinceR | and see how people in other member states react | Nov 08 02:52 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: no it wouldn't | Nov 08 02:52 |
| MinceR | most people are shit | Nov 08 02:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What's your opinion on people assembling in Belarus' against their National Leader faking a whole election of himself? | Nov 08 02:53 |
| MinceR | it could help them, if they manage to kill the "National Leader" and resist the ensuing russian attempt to annex belarus | Nov 08 02:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It seems they're not charged enough to succeed, yes. | Nov 08 02:58 |
| CrystalMath | also, another thing that you've "won" | Nov 08 02:58 |
| CrystalMath | Julian Assange will now be killed | Nov 08 02:58 |
| CrystalMath | for exposing the truth about evil US military operations | Nov 08 02:58 |
| CrystalMath | who knows what will happen to Chelsea Manning | Nov 08 02:58 |
| MinceR | should have got rid of the two party system | Nov 08 02:59 |
| CrystalMath | no, should have supported TRUMP | Nov 08 02:59 |
| CrystalMath | he was the independent | Nov 08 02:59 |
| CrystalMath | the greatest | Nov 08 02:59 |
| CrystalMath | i'm actually crying right now | Nov 08 02:59 |
| MinceR | hi actually crying right now, i'm dad | Nov 08 03:00 |
| CrystalMath | wait, Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning | Nov 08 03:01 |
| CrystalMath | so she'll be fine | Nov 08 03:01 |
| MinceR | did DHA Man pardon Assange? | Nov 08 03:01 |
| CrystalMath | how can he do that when Assange wasn't found guilty | Nov 08 03:02 |
| CrystalMath | they've been waiting | Nov 08 03:02 |
| MinceR | they could have called the goons off | Nov 08 03:02 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: How a Trump presidency would've helped Assange? | Nov 08 03:02 |
| MinceR | if he cared so much | Nov 08 03:02 |
| MinceR | but he obviously didn't | Nov 08 03:02 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: Trump would have pardoned him | Nov 08 03:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got to taunt my dad. | Nov 08 03:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Part of my email went "No more Cheeto Hitler and Gilead Commander Pence.". | Nov 08 03:03 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Because his electorate is extremely liberal? | Nov 08 03:03 |
| CrystalMath | Assange exposed the evils of Hillary Clinton | Nov 08 03:03 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Did he actually make a statement like that or is this your imagination | Nov 08 03:03 |
| CrystalMath | more my imagination, really | Nov 08 03:04 |
| MinceR | "would have" | Nov 08 03:04 |
| MinceR | he had 4 years | Nov 08 03:04 |
| CrystalMath | no he couldn't do this yet | Nov 08 03:04 |
| CrystalMath | i don't think he could have called off the indictment | Nov 08 03:04 |
| MinceR | as the supreme commander? | Nov 08 03:04 |
| CrystalMath | he's not the supreme commander | Nov 08 03:04 |
| XRevan86 | He's still in office, he can do this as his last glorious act of gloryness | Nov 08 03:04 |
| CrystalMath | how does one do a future pardon? | Nov 08 03:05 |
| MinceR | as the person who filled the government with corrupt corporate officials? | Nov 08 03:05 |
| MinceR | well, he probably can't call off the goons now because he's a lame duck | Nov 08 03:05 |
| MinceR | but he had 4 years to do it | Nov 08 03:05 |
| CrystalMath | i don't know how | Nov 08 03:06 |
| CrystalMath | he couldn't even call off an investigation | Nov 08 03:06 |
| CrystalMath | into russian influence | Nov 08 03:06 |
| CrystalMath | although ofc that was bullcrap | Nov 08 03:06 |
| CrystalMath | beyond the fact that everyone in the world wanted Trump to win | Nov 08 03:06 |
| CrystalMath | except goddamn eurotards | Nov 08 03:06 |
| MinceR | he could replace the guy who was investigating russian influence or something | Nov 08 03:07 |
| CrystalMath | particularly scandinavia and filthy western europe | Nov 08 03:07 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: that was an investigation into Trump himself, and he couldn't stop it | Nov 08 03:07 |
| MinceR | yes, everyone in south america, australia and new zealand wanted cheeto hitler to win.~ | Nov 08 03:07 |
| CrystalMath | surely Trump at least cares about Trump | Nov 08 03:07 |
| CrystalMath | right, i forgot the fascist lands down under | Nov 08 03:07 |
| CrystalMath | and the rest of the british empire | Nov 08 03:08 |
| MinceR | funny thing for a supporter of a fascist to say | Nov 08 03:08 |
| CrystalMath | what makes Trump a fascist? | Nov 08 03:08 |
| CrystalMath | he literally didn't do anything | Nov 08 03:08 |
| MinceR | another funny thing: according to politicalcompass.org, both trump and biden are fascists >> https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 | Nov 08 03:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politicalcompass.org | The Political Compass | Nov 08 03:08 | |
| CrystalMath | but legalize marijuana, and only slightly | Nov 08 03:08 |
| MinceR | and so are almost all parties in germany | Nov 08 03:08 |
| MinceR | and most parties everywhere i looked so far | Nov 08 03:09 |
| CrystalMath | "Biden remains at heart an unimaginative conservative who, among much else, was a driving force for the catastrophic invasion of Iraq." | Nov 08 03:11 |
| CrystalMath | i almost forgot Biden was a republican | Nov 08 03:11 |
| CrystalMath | i mean come on, the US elected a republican to replace an independent and you all cheered for it | Nov 08 03:11 |
| CrystalMath | it's horrible | Nov 08 03:11 |
| MinceR | not a "republican", a "conservative" | Nov 08 03:12 |
| CrystalMath | no, he was a republican | Nov 08 03:12 |
| CrystalMath | an actual member of the republican party | Nov 08 03:12 |
| MinceR | and not an independent, but a "republican" | Nov 08 03:12 |
| XRevan86 | Biden is not a stable genius having the best words, I think this is the primary selling point that made him president. | Nov 08 03:21 |
| XRevan86 | and being nominated from one of the two parties, of course | Nov 08 03:22 |
| CrystalMath | it didn't make him president yet | Nov 08 03:22 |
| CrystalMath | i still hope this can be contested in the courts | Nov 08 03:22 |
| CrystalMath | or maybe even that Trump refuses to yield... a civil war in the US will surely weaken it enough to stop being a threat for a while | Nov 08 03:23 |
| CrystalMath | but i hope it doesn't come to that, since that would be sacrificing americans to save the rest of the world | Nov 08 03:23 |
| XRevan86 | Trump, please destroy the United States of America, I love you © CrystalMath | Nov 08 03:24 |
| XRevan86 | (not an actual quote, paraphrasing) | Nov 08 03:24 |
| CrystalMath | well, what i really hope is for him to win and make it great again | Nov 08 03:25 |
| CrystalMath | but if it can't be great, it would be nice if at least it wasn't a monster | Nov 08 03:25 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/IVUDBqr.png https://i.imgur.com/jUWkzJF.jpg | Nov 08 03:25 |
| XRevan86 | If only the US citizens could see how their deaths would've helped the greater good, if only they voted right… | Nov 08 03:25 |
| CrystalMath | well no | Nov 08 03:26 |
| CrystalMath | there was a lot of election fraud | Nov 08 03:26 |
| MinceR | maybe it will break apart so that only part of its current territory will be ruled by christian fundamentalists | Nov 08 03:26 |
| CrystalMath | this year | Nov 08 03:26 |
| CrystalMath | so i can't really blame the people of america | Nov 08 03:26 |
| MinceR | indeed, at least committed by cheeto hitler | Nov 08 03:26 |
| CrystalMath | i blame this channel for actually liking this horrible scenario | Nov 08 03:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR already made a point on Trump sabotaging international efforts on controlling emissions | Nov 08 03:27 |
| MinceR | not that those efforts are likely to have a significant impact either way | Nov 08 03:27 |
| CrystalMath | the EU still controls emissions | Nov 08 03:27 |
| CrystalMath | china still doesn't | Nov 08 03:28 |
| MinceR | iirc the times that various studies pinpointed as the last time to really start taking this seriously and acting have come and went | Nov 08 03:28 |
| CrystalMath | look on the bright side | Nov 08 03:28 |
| MinceR | and most of the "emission control" we actually get is just states milking citizens | Nov 08 03:28 |
| CrystalMath | if we ever get knocked back into the stone age | Nov 08 03:28 |
| CrystalMath | we'll never get up again | Nov 08 03:28 |
| CrystalMath | there won't be any fossil fuels here | Nov 08 03:28 |
| MinceR | we won't, we'll turn this planet into another Venus | Nov 08 03:28 |
| CrystalMath | certainly not enough | Nov 08 03:28 |
| MinceR | possibly a heavily radioactive one | Nov 08 03:29 |
| CrystalMath | the bright side of using all these fossil fuels | Nov 08 03:29 |
| CrystalMath | is that they've been depleted | Nov 08 03:29 |
| CrystalMath | so there won't be any left | Nov 08 03:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 08 03:30 |
| XRevan86 | "i blame this channel for actually liking this horrible scenario" – bredor-escobar-dilemma.jpg | Nov 08 03:30 |
| MinceR | "we've already done all we could to ruin this planet with fossil fuels!" | Nov 08 03:30 |
| XRevan86 | No, we're not done. | Nov 08 03:40 |
| MinceR | https://www.politicalcompass.org/iconochasms | Nov 08 03:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politicalcompass.org | The Political Compass | Nov 08 03:43 | |
| MinceR | we're working on it | Nov 08 03:44 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas_emissions_by_China China does have emission control. Current China plan is at the move leveling off emissions until 2030 then go to declining until 2060 where it to be net zero. | Nov 08 04:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Greenhouse gas emissions by China - Wikipedia | Nov 08 04:19 | |
| oiaohm | Slow than most countries would like. | Nov 08 04:20 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: what, are you some kind of chinese commie shill? | Nov 08 04:20 |
| oiaohm | No that not a shill that is backed up by China future coal orders. | Nov 08 04:20 |
| CrystalMath | why in the world would anyone, let alone anyone on techrights, defend china in any possible scenario? | Nov 08 04:21 |
| oiaohm | If they are not going to be getting the coal to burn they have to have some other plan. | Nov 08 04:21 |
| MinceR | i'm guessing the method of getting to net zero by 2060 is that the human species will be extinct by then | Nov 08 04:22 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: gosh i really hope so | Nov 08 04:22 |
| oiaohm | This is not defending china. Its not true to say china does not have emission control. | Nov 08 04:22 |
| CrystalMath | for your sake | Nov 08 04:22 |
| CrystalMath | okay but i mean, if i heard a blatantly false accusation against china, i'd just skip over it | Nov 08 04:22 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: i doubt i'd live that long anyway | Nov 08 04:22 |
| CrystalMath | no way am i defending that garbage of a government | Nov 08 04:22 |
| CrystalMath | that low-life scum that runs that infernal prison they call a country | Nov 08 04:23 |
| oiaohm | China had to do emission control because the were having too many mecially sick people due to smog. | Nov 08 04:23 |
| oiaohm | medical | Nov 08 04:23 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: eventually you'll get used to oiaohm defending low-life scum, he does it all the time :> | Nov 08 04:23 |
| CrystalMath | oh i see, but when *I* do it, you all start badgering me with orange man bad | Nov 08 04:23 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 08 04:23 |
| oiaohm | Lot of other countries did emission control for envornmental reasons. | Nov 08 04:23 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: i need time to get used to you defending cheeto hitler | Nov 08 04:24 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: oiaohm was advertising cancerd since before you arrived here | Nov 08 04:24 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: another reason why i like Trump is because he's anti-china | Nov 08 04:24 |
| MinceR | jyna | Nov 08 04:24 |
| CrystalMath | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n17_EPF8dwo | Nov 08 04:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Donald Trump - China (Na Na Na) - Parody of Havana by Camila Cabello - YouTube | Nov 08 04:25 | |
| MinceR | i hate twitler and the government of red china because they're both authoritarians | Nov 08 04:25 |
| CrystalMath | this is still hilarious | Nov 08 04:26 |
| MinceR | but not hillaryous? | Nov 08 04:26 |
| CrystalMath | no, simply because i'm incapable of having a happy thought when that demon woman is mentioned | Nov 08 04:26 |
| CrystalMath | at least she's dead | Nov 08 04:26 |
| oiaohm | Also that emission level of china gets hard. If you break china and USA emissions down on a per person. Per person the USA is 3 times worse. | Nov 08 04:27 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: oh shut up you commie bastard | Nov 08 04:28 |
| oiaohm | No those are UN numbers | Nov 08 04:28 |
| CrystalMath | i don't care | Nov 08 04:28 |
| CrystalMath | china deserves to be carpet bombed until nothing is left | Nov 08 04:28 |
| CrystalMath | there's your zero emissions | Nov 08 04:28 |
| MinceR | lol @ mexico is the new jyna | Nov 08 04:28 |
| oiaohm | Most likely the usa making those bombs would be more polluting than leaving china lone. | Nov 08 04:29 |
| MinceR | probably not on the long term | Nov 08 04:29 |
| MinceR | especially if this starts a world war and more than just red china is destroyed | Nov 08 04:30 |
| oiaohm | One of the reasons why USA CO2 per person is so high is how many weapons are made never used then scrapped then made again. There are millions of army tanks that have been made in the USA that are recycled army tanks. | Nov 08 04:30 |
| MinceR | another reason is that the standard of life is much higher in uhmerica than in red china | Nov 08 04:31 |
| CrystalMath | "red china" i should start using that | Nov 08 04:31 |
| oiaohm | So there are some really wacky levels stupidy causing some of the climent change problems. | Nov 08 04:31 |
| CrystalMath | because i don't want to in any way imply any short of wish to harm Taiwan, which i consider a great place | Nov 08 04:32 |
| CrystalMath | *any sort | Nov 08 04:32 |
| oiaohm | Please note I am not saying I would not mind if china had a more aggressive plan for emissions. I would prefer it. But USA does need to have a close look at themselves in a lot of places. | Nov 08 04:33 |
| oiaohm | China plans to reduce coal is going to effect australia. | Nov 08 04:33 |
| MinceR | i doubt anyone even has a plan that could work | Nov 08 04:34 |
| MinceR | it all seems like just "improve things a little bit eventually" and "let's just make everyone pay the state for polluting, that'll show them!" | Nov 08 04:35 |
| oiaohm | There are some wacky things being done. | Nov 08 04:35 |
| MinceR | then again, that thing about energy ROI i saw a while ago made it seem like we're doomed anyway | Nov 08 04:35 |
| oiaohm | Like burning iron as fuel. | Nov 08 04:35 |
| MinceR | that burning iron thing is more of an energy storage | Nov 08 04:35 |
| MinceR | but maybe we could make solar and wind power more practical with it | Nov 08 04:36 |
| MinceR | those probably still have too low EROI anyway | Nov 08 04:36 |
| oiaohm | Using electricity to turn rust into iron to burn allows more effective generation of heat than using any of the electrical resistance methods to produce heat. | Nov 08 04:37 |
| MinceR | how? | Nov 08 04:37 |
| MinceR | it can't be the heat generation itself, afaict that's at 100% efficiency with resistors | Nov 08 04:38 |
| oiaohm | Its just how it works out. rust powder can be convert to iron powder by electrolysis. That turns out to be able to be done very effectively. Resistors don't reach 100 percent efficiency at heat generation. | Nov 08 04:39 |
| MinceR | what loss do they generate? | Nov 08 04:39 |
| MinceR | it can't be in electricity production because electrolysis runs on electricity all the same | Nov 08 04:40 |
| MinceR | all that seems to be left is power delivery | Nov 08 04:41 |
| oiaohm | You forgot EMI and areas in the electromagnetic spectrum. Resistance does not equal 100 to heat. | Nov 08 04:41 |
| MinceR | and i've heard some scary low efficiency for this electrolysis thing | Nov 08 04:41 |
| oiaohm | Water yes. | Nov 08 04:41 |
| oiaohm | Iron turns out to be odd. | Nov 08 04:41 |
| MinceR | afaik resistors don't do EMI except for glowing | Nov 08 04:41 |
| MinceR | ceramic heating panels might be able to avoid glowing without having to run a fan | Nov 08 04:42 |
| MinceR | and even the light emitted by a resistor is likely to be converted to heat where it's still useful | Nov 08 04:42 |
| MinceR | in any case, a faraday cage should be able to capture EMI and turn it into heat | Nov 08 04:43 |
| oiaohm | Trying to get the last bits of resister output heat for effectively ends up with a complex mess. | Nov 08 04:45 |
| superkuh | The radiated light hits it's environment is captured and converted to heat. Or reflected and converted to heat at another surface. | Nov 08 04:45 |
| superkuh | No need to capture by anything explicit unless you're outdoors? | Nov 08 04:46 |
| superkuh | A resistor is 100% efficient at converting electrical energy to heat energy. | Nov 08 04:47 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: oiaohm supporting systemd does not suprise me, he used to run a blog called the Linux Haters Blog | Nov 08 04:51 |
| oiaohm | Old school light bulb is a resistor but its not converting all the power in into heat. | Nov 08 04:51 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: that not true. | Nov 08 04:52 |
| oiaohm | My blog was not called Linux Haters blog. | Nov 08 04:52 |
| CrystalMath | https://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/fuzzy-logic/22130-linux-haters-redux-dead-long-live-oiaohm | Nov 08 04:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Linux Hater's Redux... dead? Long live... Oiaohm?! | Nov 08 04:52 | |
| CrystalMath | it's the first result that comes up when one searches oiaohm :P | Nov 08 04:52 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: read down “Oiaohm Battle Ground” | Nov 08 04:54 |
| oiaohm | Yes it first result come up and its a totally miss leading piece. | Nov 08 04:55 |
| oiaohm | What happens when you refuse a interview. | Nov 08 04:55 |
| CrystalMath | i see, so you weren't the original Linux Hater's Blog writer | Nov 08 04:56 |
| oiaohm | Or redux | Nov 08 04:56 |
| oiaohm | Nothing like having what I was started completely screwed over being tared with those blogs. | Nov 08 04:57 |
| MinceR | 08 055150 < oiaohm> Old school light bulb is a resistor but its not converting all the power in into heat. | Nov 08 04:57 |
| MinceR | put it in an opaque metal box and then it does | Nov 08 04:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've always lived in a state with an open primary so I cross over and vote in the Republican primary sometimes when there's nothing interesting going on in the Democratic one. | Nov 08 05:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes as a joke, often to saddle them with a horrible candidate. | Nov 08 05:01 |
| CrystalMath | who was the last one you picked? :P | Nov 08 05:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: even putting a box around it does not stop the box from deciding to put a light. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_cooling There are some quite wacky things that can happen. | Nov 08 05:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Laser cooling - Wikipedia | Nov 08 05:10 | |
| oiaohm | Simple physics you can resistance=100 percent heat because that is good enough. But when you get into all the wacky stuff nature of real world physics likes doing it gets messy. | Nov 08 05:12 |
| oiaohm | Yes it is truly possible in the right combination of setup to heat a item and the result is colder not hotter. | Nov 08 05:12 |
| oiaohm | Its not that energy has been lost just has not gone the way you were expecting. | Nov 08 05:13 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: This week in KDE: The user interface improvements you’ve always wanted • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144130 [https://pleroma.site/objects/160d5273-a18e-440f-b54b-af8b0aec0fad] | Nov 08 07:09 | |
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| schestowitz | "We’ve made it. #tuxmachines apache logs for the week at over a gigabyte. 1068MB. An all-time record. #techrights did that for the first time (1.2GB) last year." | Nov 08 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Seems the daily text version bulletin was requested 4,500 times this past week, Those are hits on ~/txt (not direct access to archived versions of old ones... I have not checked those and I imagine it's a lot lower) | Nov 08 07:54 |
| schestowitz | /2020/11/03/github-is-social-control/ accessed about 8,500 times. That's the one with the Friedman video in it. | Nov 08 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Should we look at DTP for more Friedman clips to identify parts of interest? It is time consuming, but may still be worth it. | Nov 08 07:54 |
| schestowitz | > They media houses were probably all delaying the announcement so that | Nov 08 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > the Whitehouse doctor can get on site with the thorazine: | Nov 08 08:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 08 08:07 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-defeats-trump-win-white-house-nbc-news-projects-n1246912 | Nov 08 08:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Biden defeats Trump to win White House, NBC News projects | Nov 08 08:07 | |
| CrystalMath | we'll see what the courts have to say | Nov 08 08:18 |
| CrystalMath | you congratulated manbearpig as well | Nov 08 08:19 |
| CrystalMath | but he lost in the end | Nov 08 08:19 |
| CrystalMath | now you're congratulating the obaminable sandman | Nov 08 08:19 |
| CrystalMath | we'll see... | Nov 08 08:19 |
| schestowitz | "Hope dies last"-famous saying | Nov 08 08:20 |
| CrystalMath | this voter fraud pretty much showed me that USA is about as trustworthy as honduras | Nov 08 08:21 |
| CrystalMath | and that's an insult for honduras :( | Nov 08 08:21 |
| CrystalMath | if the obaminable sandman is inaugurated, i will hate america just as i did until January 20th 2017 | Nov 08 08:22 |
| CrystalMath | then again, i guess i was wrong for ever thinking it could be "great again" | Nov 08 08:23 |
| CrystalMath | it's an autocratic pile of garbage, with a travesty of a justice system | Nov 08 08:23 |
| CrystalMath | they have one more chance to show the world that they're not a banana republic - overturn this voter fraud | Nov 08 08:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: | Nov 08 08:29 |
| schestowitz | > RMS is a "Green Party troll" as well. | Nov 08 08:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 08 08:29 |
| schestowitz | > While Ryan is to his own countrymen what de Icaza and Nat Friedman are | Nov 08 08:29 |
| schestowitz | > to Free Software, walking Open Sores and hypocrite corporate whores. | Nov 08 08:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 08 08:29 |
| schestowitz | > Note that I actually consider Ryan's level of hypocrisy worse, which is | Nov 08 08:29 |
| schestowitz | > no excuse for de Icaza. He's so much closer to Trump than real progress, | Nov 08 08:29 |
| schestowitz | > you might as well call him "Hillary". Are you are sure he's really on | Nov 08 08:29 |
| schestowitz | > our side? You don't have to answer that, I know your opinion. Now you | Nov 08 08:29 |
| schestowitz | > know mine. | Nov 08 08:29 |
| schestowitz | -anon | Nov 08 08:29 |
| kingoffrance | you know they literally name clothing stores that CrystalMath :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Republic | Nov 08 08:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Banana Republic - Wikipedia | Nov 08 08:30 | |
| kingoffrance | i think that should answer your q | Nov 08 08:30 |
| CrystalMath | yes i know but it's also a phrase | Nov 08 08:30 |
| kingoffrance | i know im just saying tone-deafedness on their part... | Nov 08 08:30 |
| CrystalMath | who is Ryan? | Nov 08 08:31 |
| CrystalMath | i don't get it | Nov 08 08:31 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: also this: | Nov 08 08:31 |
| schestowitz | >> The Green Party trolls not being on the ballot in Georgia will be | Nov 08 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > Biden's victory margin and then some. | Nov 08 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 08 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > You're a stupid fascist cunt, Ryan. | Nov 08 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 08 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > Fucking traitor. | Nov 08 08:31 |
| schestowitz | he knows your first name | Nov 08 08:31 |
| schestowitz | [01:32] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): "This election was a referendum on Trump. Biden was Not-Trump, nothing more. Biden has no solutions for the climate, poverty, racism, and nuclear war." https://howiehawkins.us/release-hawkins-and-walker-react-to-trumps-defeat/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/b07da1a1-45b9-4057-a691-66c975d2f85d] | Nov 08 08:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-howiehawkins.us | RELEASE: Hawkins and Walker React To Trump’s Defeat | Howie Hawkins for President | Angela Walker for Vice President | Nov 08 08:32 | |
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| CrystalMath | oh DaemonFC[m] is Ryan? | Nov 08 08:32 |
| schestowitz | yes | Nov 08 08:32 |
| CrystalMath | what was this fuss about? | Nov 08 08:32 |
| CrystalMath | he voted for Biden instead of the green party? | Nov 08 08:33 |
| CrystalMath | well i think that was a bad choice, but i respect DaemonFC[m]'s choice anyway... however in that JOKE of a country they don't allow people to vote for who they want | Nov 08 08:34 |
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| CrystalMath | i'm going to sleep | Nov 08 08:37 |
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| schestowitz | [08:37] <-- CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has left this server (Quit: Save The Planet, Kill Yourself! https://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/). | Nov 08 08:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.churchofeuthanasia.org | Church of Euthanasia | Nov 08 08:38 | |
| schestowitz | wth? | Nov 08 08:38 |
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| schestowitz | disturbed individual | Nov 08 08:39 |
| schestowitz | https://www.noemamag.com/toxic-internet-culture-from-east-to-west/ | Nov 08 08:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.noemamag.com | Toxic Internet Culture From East To West - NOEMA | Nov 08 08:39 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144131 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8d1d4d9d-bfda-48cb-a8a4-9094213d1649] | Nov 08 09:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/11/07/jubilant-celebrations-outside-trump-white-house-nationwide-after-bidenharris-victory | Nov 08 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Jubilant Celebrations Outside Trump White House, Nationwide After Biden/Harris Victory | Common Dreams News | Nov 08 09:10 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=biden | Nov 08 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opensecrets.org | Donor Lookup • OpenSecrets | Nov 08 09:39 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 08 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Money to CandidatesBIDEN, HUNTER | Nov 08 09:39 |
| schestowitz | WASHINGTON, DC 20008OLDAKER, BIDEN & BELAIR | Nov 08 09:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 08 09:39 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today’s 𝓣𝓾𝔁 𝓜𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144133 [https://pleroma.site/objects/61f4bcbe-cd76-433d-8bc7-e752f6971852] | Nov 08 11:25 | |
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| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/10/hague-court-of-appeal-sets-dutch.html?showComment=1604680115662#c6707197232587927872 | Nov 08 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Hague Court of Appeal sets Dutch approach to equivalence, reversing District Court in pemetrexed saga - The IPKat | Nov 08 12:25 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 08 12:25 |
| schestowitz | MaxDrei, just to respond to your point on the strictness of the UK Courts. They are not as strict on added matter as the EPO, and the test is essentially one of 'new information' being present. Certainly the UK Courts have a more lenient test for combinations, selection from lists, etc. It is almost unheard of for a patent to go down on added matter in the UK. | Nov 08 12:25 |
| schestowitz | I would also add that if we think about all possible patent systems that could exist, your defence of the 'Gold Standard' would hinder new thinking on how to look at IP. I am an admirer of what the US Supreme Court did on eligibility, but the subsequent failure to develop new case law is the fault of the Federal Circuit, that could not change its way of thinking appropriately. The US Supreme Court was redefining the 'commons' in | Nov 08 12:25 |
| schestowitz | important areas of activity. I think that was a good thing to attempt, but the reaction was too negative for it to have worked. The Federal Circuit was unable to take on 'visionary' thinking when it got the opportunity, which I think continues to be a lost opportunity. | Nov 08 12:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 08 12:25 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/02/is-broad-institute-planning-last-ditch.html?showComment=1604651853840#c3508044250881378268 | Nov 08 12:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Is the Broad Institute planning a last-ditch attempt to save their CRISPR patent? - The IPKat | Nov 08 12:30 | |
| schestowitz | "The decision has been published: https://www.epo.org/law-practice/case-law-appeals/pdf/t180844eu1.pdf " | Nov 08 12:30 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144134 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b6198aa6-861d-41d0-9af1-bfce24bb0647] | Nov 08 12:48 | |
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| MinceR | i see some people have yet to come to grips with the horrible two-party system :> | Nov 08 13:40 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/17/26155d2cad35c931.jpg | Nov 08 13:42 |
| schestowitz | techrights is now officially on dweb / ipfs e.g. https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmZ3Yy7uWVtMyGfgaCQYtpcJZBxS2LoLEFZPgRSiYBF73w | Nov 08 13:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: purrrr evil | Nov 08 13:45 |
| schestowitz | ipfs stats bw | Nov 08 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Bandwidth | Nov 08 13:47 |
| schestowitz | TotalIn: 2.0 GB | Nov 08 13:47 |
| schestowitz | TotalOut: 873 MB | Nov 08 13:47 |
| schestowitz | RateIn: 17 kB/s | Nov 08 13:47 |
| schestowitz | RateOut: 4.6 kB/s | Nov 08 13:47 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/OmSByhZ.jpg | Nov 08 13:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1324796282901131265/photo/1 | Nov 08 13:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: Meanwhile, back at the Pennsylvania Avenue ranch... https://t.co/wotQP38fMF https://t.co/ADUpblssq2 | Nov 08 13:48 | |
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| MinceR | :) | Nov 08 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | anyone wanna proofread with me re ibm and systemd? | Nov 08 13:52 |
| schestowitz | "Large Corporations Aren’t Going to Save the Real GNU/Linux Community Because That’s Not Their Goal (They Just Want to Dominate Everything)" | Nov 08 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | vZS1: quick question | Nov 08 13:56 |
| schestowitz | is it good practice to append to a filename its pin id? | Nov 08 13:56 |
| schestowitz | like techrights-irc-date-PID.txt? | Nov 08 13:56 |
| schestowitz | if it's universal and immutable | Nov 08 13:57 |
| vZS1 | I don't see why not | Nov 08 13:57 |
| schestowitz | and then add the CID to the index page? | Nov 08 13:57 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/irc-archives/ | Nov 08 13:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of /irc-archives | Nov 08 13:57 | |
| schestowitz | for IRC | Nov 08 13:57 |
| schestowitz | for stories/daily links: http://techrights.org/txt-archives/ | Nov 08 13:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives | Nov 08 13:57 | |
| vZS1 | It's not pin id btw | Nov 08 13:58 |
| vZS1 | It's CID | Nov 08 13:58 |
| schestowitz | "you must be new here" ;-) | Nov 08 13:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Biden gained more in Georgia. | Nov 08 13:58 |
| schestowitz | local store has 11mb now | Nov 08 13:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | +10,195 this morning. | Nov 08 13:58 |
| schestowitz | 2gb out (not sure what), 850 or so in | Nov 08 13:59 |
| schestowitz | opposite actually, 2gb in | Nov 08 13:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A recount reversing this is going more and more into fantasy land, Roy, and he'd never do it in four states. | Nov 08 13:59 |
| schestowitz | yes, he's fucked | Nov 08 13:59 |
| schestowitz | we already go hard on Biden | Nov 08 13:59 |
| schestowitz | as he won | Nov 08 13:59 |
| schestowitz | and we need to remind people not to caress his sleepy head | Nov 08 13:59 |
| schestowitz | and instead move him to progressive policies | Nov 08 14:00 |
| schestowitz | inc. fiscal, environment... | Nov 08 14:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, regardless of what happens, at least Trump will be gone in a matter of weeks. | Nov 08 14:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Whether he leaves or has to be arrested. | Nov 08 14:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1324796282901131265/photo/1 | Nov 08 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: Meanwhile, back at the Pennsylvania Avenue ranch... https://t.co/wotQP38fMF https://t.co/ADUpblssq2 | Nov 08 14:00 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | That would be funny if he gets himself arrested and hauled out in irons. | Nov 08 14:01 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: one more question | Nov 08 14:01 |
| schestowitz | is there a way to hard-link these objects without relying on the ipfs.io domain? | Nov 08 14:01 |
| schestowitz | I assume it's universal across all nodes | Nov 08 14:01 |
| vZS1 | There are other http gateways around | Nov 08 14:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody is going to pardon him for intruding in the White House. It's a federal offense that occurs after he isn't the president anymore. | Nov 08 14:02 |
| schestowitz | and that the main domain is just one of many | Nov 08 14:02 |
| schestowitz | kk, got it, vZS1 | Nov 08 14:02 |
| vZS1 | But I haven't looked into the others | Nov 08 14:02 |
| schestowitz | so no need to link, just name the CID | Nov 08 14:02 |
| schestowitz | no hard-linking | Nov 08 14:02 |
| vZS1 | Yeah just CID works too | Nov 08 14:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The constitution is very clear that you can't pardon future crimes. | Nov 08 14:02 |
| schestowitz | trying FF extension for ipfs | Nov 08 14:02 |
| schestowitz | to learn how it's done with a client application | Nov 08 14:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It says that the president can pardon crimes "committed", not ones being planned or actively carried out. | Nov 08 14:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not even the SCOTUS can do anything here. | Nov 08 14:03 |
| schestowitz | I could never find a way to supply a CID to open from the FF extension | Nov 08 14:04 |
| schestowitz | just a way to upload objects to my locally stored (via FF) instance | Nov 08 14:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz, My hunch is that he may resign on some deal with Mike Pence where Pence pardons him right before the clock runs out. | Nov 08 14:04 |
| schestowitz | pardon me? | Nov 08 14:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pence gets to be president for a few minutes and nobody gets to argue whether pardoning yourself is legal or not. | Nov 08 14:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it still doesn't help with potential state charges. | Nov 08 14:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And New York has been quietly getting a case ready to go for when he loses his immunity as president. | Nov 08 14:05 |
| schestowitz | https://cid.ipfs.io/#QmZ3Yy7uWVtMyGfgaCQYtpcJZBxS2LoLEFZPgRSiYBF73w | Nov 08 14:06 |
| vZS1 | You'll need to look for "node explorer" or something like that | Nov 08 14:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cid.ipfs.io | CID Inspector | IPFS | Nov 08 14:06 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's more than 20 states where the Attorney General and the Governor are Democrats. | Nov 08 14:06 |
| vZS1 | I don't know much about the GUIs | Nov 08 14:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's likely committed crimes against New York and others. | Nov 08 14:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So even with a pardon, he's not safe. | Nov 08 14:06 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | In Illinois, Lisa Madigan and now Kwame Raoule have investigated him. | Nov 08 14:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So there's potential charges here too. I think he'll flee the country. | Nov 08 14:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's more than just being vicious and petty. | Nov 08 14:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he or Pence or anyone in the administration come back in 2024 after Trump is a convicted felon.... | Nov 08 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Finland, here we come! | Nov 08 14:10 |
| schestowitz | https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/19/finns-aghast-that-trump-could-think-their-country-is-part-of-russia | Nov 08 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Finns aghast that Trump could think their country is part of Russia | US news | The Guardian | Nov 08 14:10 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It can certainly move the needle. | Nov 08 14:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, it wouldn't eat into _his_ base too much. | Nov 08 14:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But independent voters? Even a fraction of a percent who couldn't support that makes a big difference. | Nov 08 14:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it moves a few thousand votes in each state. I mean everything counts as we're seeing now. | Nov 08 14:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Biden won a huge electoral college majority but only by thousands of votes in each of several states. | Nov 08 14:13 |
| CrystalMath | and that was full of voter fraud, that people must be held accountable for | Nov 08 14:15 |
| CrystalMath | another thing that people must be held accountable for is the lockdowns, which were a crime against humanity | Nov 08 14:16 |
| *superkuh rolls eyes. | Nov 08 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | [09:20] <vZS1> My idea is I'll track changes with Git. And I'll keep a log of the latest IPFS CID. You could pull the HTTP gateway version of the latest one and make sure the /txt path always points to the latest one | Nov 08 14:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe ~/txt/ipfs | Nov 08 14:20 |
| schestowitz | which will in turn redirect (cannot hardlink/softlink) to another server | Nov 08 14:20 |
| schestowitz | in case the main site is down, though the direction would then not be live, either | Nov 08 14:21 |
| schestowitz | /me trying to figure out how to interpret html files and present them as html, not plain text, e.g. https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXuCE4UN28pejn2SDEBKefaq5HXEnGB53Luf3w5j36hWG | Nov 08 14:24 |
| schestowitz | oh, I see, they're split into smaller chunks https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmaJ3fnVdDTNJwvatnm2Hj98b1SxFekXCdNKsqNfyRvs1Z | Nov 08 14:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipfs.io | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, November 07, 2020 | Nov 08 14:27 | |
| schestowitz | so indirect is like 'incomplete' (file) | Nov 08 14:30 |
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| CrystalMath | making a channel logging system? | Nov 08 14:32 |
| schestowitz | no, techrights dweb | Nov 08 14:32 |
| schestowitz | bypassing www | Nov 08 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | added QmUPunFB6cdBsEz2Txg91jUaqpwsXYQ2o3zeenEmqfsFvk irc-log-071120.html | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added QmQvqA6ysqejvSV4638gYTpxqJsyfQoCgUYzwsYFMa2e3P irc-log-social-071120.html | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added QmahmH63tSR7MdY3XT1Vw9Er9KEXcKZ5yWQtBTAXEMckJ6 irc-log-techbytes-071120.html | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added QmYhQLDadubMBJGVtdo8PmvpYLrmjVEfXrjbb7mHa2JPHu irc-log-techrights-071120.html | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added QmerK5cUxT2GJqRGjfcA5SJAkdgp5hbsx5x2WbcQesxGZK techrights-2020-10-26.txt | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added QmbuM4HcDHVAHur2fL3mkn1J15v3h6MVo1RTfS3kcU75Ux techrights-2020-10-27.txt | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added QmSmY7Gsrp5957iWaDi8iSkH8jzVrpyeun3a5385FwFoYd techrights-2020-10-28.txt | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added QmVQ7oU3WyduaMNtBop3gKCFfErcqpcMBxYeScYuxS1RcY techrights-2020-10-29.txt | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added QmaDa6yEzPjGFnUAiK1JjNgb84nCcf1VSMdBDzuPCW4yEY techrights-2020-10-30.txt | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added QmekfTpMvh2FjJRqBgLtLdQskkk5514Z7XLh5vbG5n2EBZ techrights-2020-10-31.txt | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added QmUmKb4aqjSUuDpw9u9xCpFXUA9MTw3ZnXHaetpPePCLRh techrights-2020-11-01.txt | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added QmRkkZHZtKfWMzQSu6xqTN3zuTNM6mXVL6zjqfnFRMkvvu techrights-2020-11-02.txt | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added QmVj4a9cEYqSNhTEXgk3uPzdSxak23C5L876MAGVLvqcMN techrights-2020-11-03.txt | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added Qme6tUQz9HbrFEyLrXZYhJEVcqahaSMEEhmSsv1qky5Lux techrights-2020-11-04.txt | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added Qma1Q1kNahagEkgXL7GiboNFEfw1WofSG4qB8nh3nes1Vf techrights-2020-11-05.txt | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added QmYHrR1P7YFy5prPQ3pAK1DZaGm7Mrr75NwK4VhUeFsTLD techrights-2020-11-06.txt | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | added QmZ3Yy7uWVtMyGfgaCQYtpcJZBxS2LoLEFZPgRSiYBF73w techrights-2020-11-07.txt | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | those are the latest articles | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | plus yesterday's IRC logs | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | I'm setting that up to automate creation | Nov 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | this is #techrights for yesterday: | Nov 08 14:37 |
| schestowitz | https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmYhQLDadubMBJGVtdo8PmvpYLrmjVEfXrjbb7mHa2JPHu | Nov 08 14:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipfs.io | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, November 07, 2020 | Nov 08 14:37 | |
| schestowitz | I might want to change the css and image links to full url, not relative path | Nov 08 14:37 |
| schestowitz | looking into it now | Nov 08 14:38 |
| vZS1 | Don't forget about RSS | Nov 08 14:38 |
| vZS1 | It'd be nice to just get these CIDs with their context in RSS | Nov 08 14:38 |
| schestowitz | ah | Nov 08 14:38 |
| schestowitz | I was thinking web page | Nov 08 14:39 |
| schestowitz | spew out head into <h3> | Nov 08 14:39 |
| schestowitz | then latest additions | Nov 08 14:39 |
| schestowitz | isn't rss served over http/s typically? | Nov 08 14:39 |
| vZS1 | Web page would just be index | Nov 08 14:39 |
| vZS1 | RSS for the notifications | Nov 08 14:40 |
| schestowitz | rss as ipfs object? | Nov 08 14:40 |
| schestowitz | that people subscribe to? | Nov 08 14:40 |
| schestowitz | (cid is static) | Nov 08 14:40 |
| vZS1 | Think what works for you | Nov 08 14:42 |
| schestowitz | URL_REGEXP = re.compile(r'((http|https|ftp|gopher|news)://[^ \'")>]*)') | Nov 08 14:43 |
| schestowitz | ok, I patched my script for irc | Nov 08 14:43 |
| schestowitz | so css would not link to all the thinks, no matter the domain it's accessed from | Nov 08 14:43 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: do you subscribe to any rss over ipfs? | Nov 08 14:44 |
| schestowitz | as I understand it, once you make an object, the cid is the same and content won't change | Nov 08 14:45 |
| schestowitz | so that kind of seems not compatible with rss/xml/atom as a concept | Nov 08 14:45 |
| schestowitz | if you can link to an example I can learn from (rss feed in ipfs), I can copy | Nov 08 14:45 |
| schestowitz | or... I can make another object, one for each day, which is an index of new cid's | Nov 08 14:46 |
| vZS1 | I meant you have a web page | Nov 08 14:46 |
| vZS1 | With the RSS | Nov 08 14:46 |
| vZS1 | that just notifies people of the new CIDs | Nov 08 14:46 |
| schestowitz | ah, web-based rss | Nov 08 14:46 |
| vZS1 | Yes | Nov 08 14:46 |
| schestowitz | right, got cha | Nov 08 14:46 |
| schestowitz | will do that | Nov 08 14:47 |
| schestowitz | something like techrights.org/feed-ipfs/ | Nov 08 14:47 |
| vZS1 | Yep | Nov 08 14:47 |
| schestowitz | I need to hand-craft the xml | Nov 08 14:47 |
| schestowitz | will look for plugins/existing code | Nov 08 14:47 |
| schestowitz | with gnu tools I can parse output like [14:36] <schestowitz> added Qma1Q1kNahagEkgXL7GiboNFEfw1WofSG4qB8nh3nes1Vf techrights-2020-11-05.txt | Nov 08 14:48 |
| schestowitz | make a table out of it, then xml | Nov 08 14:48 |
| vZS1 | Loads of RSS CLI tools doing | Nov 08 14:49 |
| vZS1 | Around* | Nov 08 14:49 |
| schestowitz | cheers | Nov 08 14:49 |
| schestowitz | will get to work (on it) | Nov 08 14:49 |
| vZS1 | Hardest part is done though | Nov 08 14:50 |
| vZS1 | You know how to get IPFS working on your own | Nov 08 14:50 |
| schestowitz | yup | Nov 08 14:51 |
| schestowitz | the manual is excellent | Nov 08 14:51 |
| schestowitz | I tried lots of command line options | Nov 08 14:51 |
| vZS1 | Which manual? | Nov 08 14:51 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: the one you wrote | Nov 08 14:55 |
| schestowitz | question | Nov 08 14:55 |
| schestowitz | does it seem sensible to: | Nov 08 14:55 |
| schestowitz | make a daily post like this: | Nov 08 14:55 |
| vZS1 | :D | Nov 08 14:56 |
| schestowitz | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, November 07, 2020 • 🆃🅴🅲🅷🆁🅸🅶🅷🆃🆂 ☞ http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/irc-log-071120/ | Nov 08 14:56 |
| schestowitz | BUT... | Nov 08 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, November 07, 2020 | Techrights | Nov 08 14:56 | |
| schestowitz | for list of daily additions in IPFS | Nov 08 14:56 |
| schestowitz | with their CID | Nov 08 14:56 |
| schestowitz | This way the main RSS feed will contain and advertise the routes outside the server (direct access) | Nov 08 14:56 |
| vZS1 | Yep | Nov 08 14:57 |
| vZS1 | Sounds good | Nov 08 14:57 |
| schestowitz | I can even lump that into the IRC proceedings posts | Nov 08 14:57 |
| schestowitz | to reduce amount of clutter | Nov 08 14:57 |
| schestowitz | and then the daily text bullets will include in them yesterday's CIDs | Nov 08 14:57 |
| schestowitz | *after they had been generated and distributed | Nov 08 14:57 |
| vZS1 | Just don't forget to clean up old pins | Nov 08 14:57 |
| vZS1 | If you don't need them anymore | Nov 08 14:57 |
| schestowitz | so it solves chicken-egg scenario | Nov 08 14:57 |
| schestowitz | linking from a non-existing object (yet to exist afterwards0 | Nov 08 14:58 |
| schestowitz | all the pins are OK for now | Nov 08 14:58 |
| schestowitz | I am going to do a test post, then ping you | Nov 08 14:58 |
| schestowitz | can take a while as I need to code things | Nov 08 14:59 |
| MinceR | El CID | Nov 08 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | ipfs add ~/tr_text_version/* | sed -e 's/added /\<tr\>\<td\>/' | sed -e 's/ /\<\/td\>\<td\>/' | sed -e 's/.txt/\ Daily Bulletin<\/tr>/' | sed -e 's/.html/\ IRC log<\/tr>/' | Nov 08 15:08 |
| schestowitz | 3.67 MiB / 3.67 MiB [====================================================================================================================================================] 100.00%<tr><td>QmUPunFB6cdBsEz2Txg91jUaqpwsXYQ2o3zeenEmqfsFvk</td><td>irc-log-071120 IRC log</tr> | Nov 08 15:08 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td>QmQvqA6ysqejvSV4638gYTpxqJsyfQoCgUYzwsYFMa2e3P</td><td>irc-log-social-071120 IRC log</tr> | Nov 08 15:08 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td>QmahmH63tSR7MdY3XT1Vw9Er9KEXcKZ5yWQtBTAXEMckJ6</td><td>irc-log-techbytes-071120 IRC log</tr> | Nov 08 15:08 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td>QmYhQLDadubMBJGVtdo8PmvpYLrmjVEfXrjbb7mHa2JPHu</td><td>irc-log-techrights-071120 IRC log</tr> | Nov 08 15:09 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td>QmerK5cUxT2GJqRGjfcA5SJAkdgp5hbsx5x2WbcQesxGZK</td><td>techrights-2020-10-26 Daily Bulletin</tr> | Nov 08 15:09 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td>QmbuM4HcDHVAHur2fL3mkn1J15v3h6MVo1RTfS3kcU75Ux</td><td>techrights-2020-10-27 Daily Bulletin</tr> | Nov 08 15:09 |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/pu | Nov 08 15:09 |
| schestowitz | will need to plug in into tables | Nov 08 15:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Pu | Nov 08 15:09 | |
| schestowitz | with thead and tbody | Nov 08 15:09 |
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| vZS1 | Btw, it would be nice to have a file with just the live CIDs | Nov 08 15:10 |
| vZS1 | So people can bulk pin | Nov 08 15:11 |
| vZS1 | Ah that's the whole point of IPFS anyway | Nov 08 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I made that a local script on ~/ | Nov 08 15:11 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: that would be the full output of this | Nov 08 15:11 |
| vZS1 | You could separate CID by topic, to make it more user friendly | Nov 08 15:11 |
| vZS1 | So one page for IRC | Nov 08 15:12 |
| schestowitz | could use sort | Nov 08 15:12 |
| schestowitz | uniq etc. | Nov 08 15:12 |
| vZS1 | One for articles | Nov 08 15:12 |
| vZS1 | Etc | Nov 08 15:12 |
| schestowitz | ./update-index.sh | grep Bulletin | Nov 08 15:12 |
| schestowitz | 3.67 MiB / 3.67 MiB [====================================================================================================================================================] 100.00%<tr><td>QmerK5cUxT2GJqRGjfcA5SJAkdgp5hbsx5x2WbcQesxGZK</td><td>techrights-2020-10-26 Daily Bulletin</tr> | Nov 08 15:12 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td>QmbuM4HcDHVAHur2fL3mkn1J15v3h6MVo1RTfS3kcU75Ux</td><td>techrights-2020-10-27 Daily Bulletin</tr> | Nov 08 15:13 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td>QmSmY7Gsrp5957iWaDi8iSkH8jzVrpyeun3a5385FwFoYd</td><td>techrights-2020-10-28 Daily Bulletin</tr> | Nov 08 15:13 |
| schestowitz | can pipe that to files, this is standard io | Nov 08 15:13 |
| vZS1 | Looks good | Nov 08 15:16 |
| schestowitz | IRCDATE=$(date --date="$IRCAGE days ago" +"%d%m%y") | Nov 08 15:18 |
| schestowitz | echo $IRCDATE | Nov 08 15:18 |
| schestowitz | ipfs add ~/tr_text_version/* | sed -e 's/added /\<tr\>\<td\>/' | sed -e 's/ /\<\/td\>\<td\>/' | sed -e 's/.txt/\ Daily Bulletin<\/tr>/' | sed -e 's/.html/\ IRC log<\/tr>/' | grep IRC | grep $IRCDATE | Nov 08 15:18 |
| schestowitz | now will concatenate with end and start of table, then same for bullets | Nov 08 15:18 |
| schestowitz | *bulletins | Nov 08 15:18 |
| schestowitz | cat 071120.html | Nov 08 15:22 |
| schestowitz | 071120 | Nov 08 15:22 |
| schestowitz | <table><thead><tr><td>CID</td>Description<td></td></tr><tbody> | Nov 08 15:22 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td>QmUPunFB6cdBsEz2Txg91jUaqpwsXYQ2o3zeenEmqfsFvk</td><td>irc-log-071120 IRC log</tr> | Nov 08 15:22 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td>QmQvqA6ysqejvSV4638gYTpxqJsyfQoCgUYzwsYFMa2e3P</td><td>irc-log-social-071120 IRC log</tr> | Nov 08 15:22 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td>QmahmH63tSR7MdY3XT1Vw9Er9KEXcKZ5yWQtBTAXEMckJ6</td><td>irc-log-techbytes-071120 IRC log</tr> | Nov 08 15:22 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td>QmYhQLDadubMBJGVtdo8PmvpYLrmjVEfXrjbb7mHa2JPHu</td><td>irc-log-techrights-071120 IRC log</tr> | Nov 08 15:22 |
| schestowitz | </tbody></table> | Nov 08 15:22 |
| schestowitz | this is the output to the file, just need to paste that into the IRC proceedings, let's try.. | Nov 08 15:23 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: should these be turned into hyperlinks of some kind, like <a href="somthing">QmYhQLDadubMBJGVtdo8PmvpYLrmjVEfXrjbb7mHa2JPHu</a> ? | Nov 08 15:24 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how people access/use ipfs clients | Nov 08 15:24 |
| CrystalMath | heh, a lot of people say it's complicated | Nov 08 15:24 |
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| vZS1 | Keep the index with HTTP gateway links and plain CIDs | Nov 08 15:27 |
| vZS1 | Just keep the index in a format that's easy to parse | Nov 08 15:27 |
| vZS1 | So you give people the option to consume in whichever way they want | Nov 08 15:28 |
| vZS1 | Browser or IPFS client | Nov 08 15:28 |
| schestowitz | ok, done: http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/irc-log-071120/ | Nov 08 15:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, November 07, 2020 | Techrights | Nov 08 15:29 | |
| schestowitz | see bottom section, automatically generated, from a file | Nov 08 15:29 |
| schestowitz | starting tomorrow the CSS and images in the irc log files will be functional | Nov 08 15:31 |
| schestowitz | don't want to re-generated yesterday's | Nov 08 15:31 |
| vZS1 | That's fair | Nov 08 15:31 |
| schestowitz | *re-generate | Nov 08 15:31 |
| vZS1 | Btw | Nov 08 15:31 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: I can add a link to today's text bulletin as well, both as html and cid | Nov 08 15:31 |
| schestowitz | they're consistently named for html, so... | Nov 08 15:32 |
| vZS1 | Any HTML tags to say an element is an IPFS CID would be helpful | Nov 08 15:32 |
| schestowitz | can you suggest the tag? | Nov 08 15:32 |
| vZS1 | That way people can algorithmically grab CIDs a lot easier | Nov 08 15:32 |
| vZS1 | ipfs-cid | Nov 08 15:32 |
| schestowitz | class-""? | Nov 08 15:32 |
| schestowitz | class="ipfs-cid"? | Nov 08 15:33 |
| scientes | class is . and id is # | Nov 08 15:33 |
| vZS1 | Yeah | Nov 08 15:33 |
| vZS1 | I think I meant class | Nov 08 15:33 |
| scientes | .class #id | Nov 08 15:33 |
| schestowitz | scientes: which one better? | Nov 08 15:33 |
| vZS1 | God it's been a long time since I did anything HTML lol | Nov 08 15:33 |
| schestowitz | it's going to be hard-coded into bash | Nov 08 15:33 |
| scientes | schestowitz, probably id | Nov 08 15:33 |
| schestowitz | ok | Nov 08 15:33 |
| schestowitz | so <td id="ipfs-cid"> ? | Nov 08 15:34 |
| scientes | yeah | Nov 08 15:34 |
| schestowitz | ok | Nov 08 15:34 |
| scientes | then you can match in js with $("#ipfs-cid").blah()... | Nov 08 15:34 |
| scientes | assuming you are sane and use jQuery | Nov 08 15:35 |
| vZS1 | I don't think td is the right one | Nov 08 15:35 |
| vZS1 | What's the right way to do semantic HTML | Nov 08 15:35 |
| vZS1 | For an element | Nov 08 15:35 |
| scientes | tables are fine if you doing table-based data | Nov 08 15:35 |
| scientes | but otherwise use <div> | Nov 08 15:36 |
| scientes | and <span> | Nov 08 15:36 |
| vZS1 | Someone was talking about this before | Nov 08 15:36 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: I think class is the right one | Nov 08 15:37 |
| vZS1 | Yeah. Definitely class | Nov 08 15:42 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td id="ipfs-cid">QmUPunFB6cdBsEz2Txg91jUaqpwsXYQ2o3zeenEmqfsFvk</td> <td id="description-ipfs">IRC log-071120 IRC log</tr> | Nov 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td id="ipfs-cid">QmQvqA6ysqejvSV4638gYTpxqJsyfQoCgUYzwsYFMa2e3P</td> <td id="description-ipfs">IRC log-social-071120 IRC log</tr> | Nov 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td id="ipfs-cid">QmahmH63tSR7MdY3XT1Vw9Er9KEXcKZ5yWQtBTAXEMckJ6</td> <td id="description-ipfs">IRC log-techbytes-071120 IRC log</tr> | Nov 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td id="ipfs-cid">QmYhQLDadubMBJGVtdo8PmvpYLrmjVEfXrjbb7mHa2JPHu</td> <td id="description-ipfs">IRC log-techrights-071120 IRC log</tr> | Nov 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | id is unique | Nov 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | class if for coupe | Nov 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | groups | Nov 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | so I will change to class | Nov 08 15:44 |
| schestowitz | stay classy: | Nov 08 15:46 |
| schestowitz | <tr><td class="ipfs-cid">QmUPunFB6cdBsEz2Txg91jUaqpwsXYQ2o3zeenEmqfsFvk</td> <td class="description-ipfs">IRC log-071120 (full IRC log)</tr> | Nov 08 15:46 |
| schestowitz | doing the bulletin live link and cid part | Nov 08 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | echo '<h3>Bulletin for Yesterday</h3>' >> $IRCDATE.html | Nov 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | IRCFULLDATE=$(date --date="$IRCAGE days ago" "+%A, %d, %Y") | Nov 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | IRCDATEFILE=techrights-$(date --date="$IRCAGE days ago" +"%Y-%m-%d").txt | Nov 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | echo -n '<a href="http://techrights.org/txt-archives/' >> $IRCDATE.html | Nov 08 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives | Nov 08 15:57 | |
| schestowitz | echo -n $IRCDATEFILE >> $IRCDATE.html | Nov 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | echo '">Local</a>, <a href="" class="description-ipfs">IPFS</a>' >> $IRCDATE.html | Nov 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | just need to grab cid for each prior day now and plug that in | Nov 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | ipfs add ~/tr_text_version/* | grep .txt | grep $IRCDATEFILE | Nov 08 16:01 |
| schestowitz | 3.67 MiB / 3.67 MiB [====================================================================================================================================================] 100.00%added QmZ3Yy7uWVtMyGfgaCQYtpcJZBxS2LoLEFZPgRSiYBF73w techrights-2020-11-07.txt | Nov 08 16:01 |
| schestowitz | | cut -d\ -f 2 | Nov 08 16:04 |
| schestowitz | ok, all done, all automated: http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/irc-log-071120/ | Nov 08 16:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, November 07, 2020 | Techrights | Nov 08 16:14 | |
| schestowitz | now it shows a working link to the bulletin (static, dated) and CID for it | Nov 08 16:14 |
| schestowitz | after the IRC section | Nov 08 16:14 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: does that work ok for you over rss? | Nov 08 16:14 |
| schestowitz | the CID is enclosed within span with the suitable class | Nov 08 16:15 |
| MinceR | https://digitalsynopsis.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/funny-letter-spacing-kerning-fails-1.jpg | Nov 08 16:24 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: just tested OK, will see if it's fully reproducible tomorrow | Nov 08 16:36 |
| schestowitz | maybe will make a complete index file too somewhere | Nov 08 16:36 |
| schestowitz | for all objects | Nov 08 16:36 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20090337 | Nov 08 16:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4865821) | Nov 08 16:43 | |
| schestowitz | the same can be said about money things | Nov 08 16:49 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: after doing more research of early 2010s Trump i conclude that he is indeed a true republican, tied with the rest of the party, so i take it back that he's not really a republican; just wanted to admit you were right there | Nov 08 16:54 |
| MinceR | thanks | Nov 08 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | corporate parties are similar | Nov 08 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft backs both | Nov 08 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | just tax neither Micrsooft nor Gates | Nov 08 17:05 |
| schestowitz | and don't do that "antitrust" thing again | Nov 08 17:05 |
| schestowitz | that's what US politics boils down to for businesses | Nov 08 17:06 |
| MinceR | (video) (audio:important) https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/no-biden-did-not-brag-about-committing-voter-fraud/2020/11/04/dadb8616-3718-45a1-baeb-7c2fa50c7aa7_video.html | Nov 08 17:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | No, Biden did not brag about committing voter fraud - The Washington Post | Nov 08 17:06 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: More votes in from Lake County. | Nov 08 17:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The prosecutor that went after me last year is defeated. | Nov 08 17:10 |
| schestowitz | this is why humanity is screwed | Nov 08 17:11 |
| schestowitz | many people think bill gates created covid19, biden gloated about election rigging, michelle obama is a dude and so on | Nov 08 17:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm registered to vote at my new address for next year's municipal election. | Nov 08 17:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm going to vote in the primary to replace Mayor Cunningham with his opponent, Miguel Rivera. If Cunningham survives the primary, I'm going to vote for that Republican lady. | Nov 08 17:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cunningham works with ICE and has numerous sexual assault complaints against him that the Waukegan Police won't even investigate. | Nov 08 17:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I'll hold my nose and vote Republican if I have to, on this. | Nov 08 17:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The local newspaper published my op-ed urging Lake County to vote for Eric Rinehart for State's Attorney. | Nov 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 08 17:13 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I went into a litany of grievances against how Mike Nerheim was failing to handle the crime problem in Lake County. | Nov 08 17:14 |
| *XRevan86 was thinking about the state-owned search engines and remembered that the previous one was called Sputnik. | Nov 08 17:15 | |
| XRevan86 | fantasy levels are to the max | Nov 08 17:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Waukegan has had....a lot of bad mayors. | Nov 08 17:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We've had 5 apparently since 2001. | Nov 08 17:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | None of them win re-election. | Nov 08 17:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: All of Trump's sabotage wasn't enough to "win". | Nov 08 17:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So now he's grousing and talking about lawsuits that will be laughed out of court and recounts that aren't going to change jack shit for him, but might succeed in causing other Republicans to lose. | Nov 08 17:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is really rather pathetic, not only that he couldn't cheat enough to "win", but now that he's trying to openly pull a fraud on the courts that is being thrown out by judges of both parties. | Nov 08 17:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just lose with some dignity and leave. You know? | Nov 08 17:19 |
| MinceR | did he ever have dignity? | Nov 08 17:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois saw the USPS sabotage and changed the law to allow for any ballot postmarked by election day to count as long as it arrives within 2 weeks. | Nov 08 17:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it shouldn't affect our state elections too much. | Nov 08 17:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So there could still be a few out there that reach the county clerks. | Nov 08 17:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was the mail in ballots where Mike Nerheim lost the State's Attorney race. | Nov 08 17:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because he was over 4,000 votes ahead on election day. | Nov 08 17:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/IL/Lake/105841/web.264614/#/detail/0325 | Nov 08 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-results.enr.clarityelections.com | Election Night Reporting | Nov 08 17:25 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It looks like so far Eric Rinehart has beaten him by about 1,029 votes out of 269,447 total. | Nov 08 17:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: He promised to come down hard on violent crime. | Nov 08 17:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's exactly what we've been missing which is why they're all out there just doing shit all the time when they could have an all expenses paid trip downstate. | Nov 08 17:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I also liked his police reform plan, although I imagine the police don't. | Nov 08 17:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't like to be reformed. They like operating as an unaccountable mob just fine thank you very much. | Nov 08 17:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think we're just taking out the trash, honestly. | Nov 08 17:33 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i don't believe in any of those things but i still want Trump to win | Nov 08 17:33 |
| CrystalMath | just because i hate democrats, i hate their lynch mobs, their politically correct pieces of crap, etc... | Nov 08 17:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think we've had enough of both crime running rampant and systemic corruption of the police. | Nov 08 17:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think that's an either/or issue myself. | Nov 08 17:34 |
| CrystalMath | i can't stand democrats and i think they're destroying the whole world | Nov 08 17:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump was literally destroying the world. | Nov 08 17:35 |
| CrystalMath | how? | Nov 08 17:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like MinceR said, turning it into Venus 2 with his environmental protection rollbacks, for starters. | Nov 08 17:35 |
| CrystalMath | listen, all the death in the world is not as bad as the destruction of freedom | Nov 08 17:35 |
| CrystalMath | i would personally blow up this planet before allowing it to fall to surveillance and control | Nov 08 17:36 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: you don't mind Patriotic Correctness then? | Nov 08 17:36 |
| CrystalMath | absolutely death is preferable to a life without privacy or slavery | Nov 08 17:36 |
| CrystalMath | and it's not even a contest | Nov 08 17:36 |
| CrystalMath | death wins by a landslide | Nov 08 17:36 |
| CrystalMath | death is actually the end of suffering, and i generally don't have a negative view of it at all | Nov 08 17:36 |
| MinceR | cheeto hitler is more authoritarian than biden | Nov 08 17:37 |
| CrystalMath | the more words i hear from democrats the more i like death, in fact | Nov 08 17:37 |
| CrystalMath | who did Trump throw in jail over bullcrap because he hated how he thinks? | Nov 08 17:37 |
| CrystalMath | name even one person Trump unfairly locked up | Nov 08 17:38 |
| CrystalMath | or killed, if you have such an example | Nov 08 17:38 |
| CrystalMath | just name one authoritarian thing Trump did | Nov 08 17:39 |
| CrystalMath | not related to death or potential death, but loss of freedom | Nov 08 17:39 |
| CrystalMath | just one | Nov 08 17:39 |
| CrystalMath | you can't, can you? | Nov 08 17:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The worst part about Trump losing will be the inevitable pardons of the human trash. | Nov 08 17:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that would have happened anyway, just after 4 more years of irreparable damage to the entire country. | Nov 08 17:43 |
| CrystalMath | you still can't answer my question | Nov 08 17:43 |
| CrystalMath | when did Trump do even one single thing to limit the freedom of americans? | Nov 08 17:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, he's trying to infringe on my legal right to sponsor my spouse. | Nov 08 17:44 |
| CrystalMath | how? | Nov 08 17:44 |
| MinceR | he installed a supreme court judge who is a christian fundamentalist and will attack uhmericans' human rights every chance she gets | Nov 08 17:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The law is pretty black and white saying I have the right to do that as an American, and Trump is putting up all the obstacles he can. | Nov 08 17:44 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: speculation | Nov 08 17:44 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: Amy Coney Barrett did no such thing and said no such thing | Nov 08 17:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | From the public charge regulation that will be backed out now, to the immigration bureaucrats rejecting forms with blank lines that it told you not to fill out. | Nov 08 17:45 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: she's well known | Nov 08 17:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Immigration attorneys are saying put in "N/A" or "Does not apply." or something on blank lines even if the instructions say leave them blank. | Nov 08 17:45 |
| MinceR | he also promoted other authoritarians in an effort to normalize authoritarianism | Nov 08 17:45 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: that's not a good argument, tbh, she neither holds a lot of power nor wants to hold a lot of power, she specifically said she wants to reduce the power of the supreme court | Nov 08 17:45 |
| MinceR | so she's a liar like twitler | Nov 08 17:46 |
| MinceR | what a surprise | Nov 08 17:46 |
| CrystalMath | what's your evidence for that accusation? | Nov 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: http://techrights.org/ipfs/ | Nov 08 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Nov 08 17:46 | |
| schestowitz | generated by script ./complete-index.sh | Nov 08 17:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What immigration is doing to American citizens is paper terrorism more than anything else. | Nov 08 17:47 |
| CrystalMath | this is exactly the ridiculous stuff democrats say... "she's well known", "she must be lying" "who cares if she's literally Mother Theresa, i don't like her, and that means she's bad" | Nov 08 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because Trump is limited in how he can change the law, but he can have them say "You weren't specific enough on this form.". | Nov 08 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even when it's total bullshit. | Nov 08 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, for a couple more months he can. | Nov 08 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Buh Bye! | Nov 08 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Buh bye now! | Nov 08 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Nov 08 17:48 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: i'm trying to figure out what your issue is | Nov 08 17:48 |
| CrystalMath | i was doing that the whole time in another thread, while talking to MinceR | Nov 08 17:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mostly though I just don't like him because he's an obnoxious jerk, and because of Mike Pence. | Nov 08 17:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who is so creepy he'd give Norman Bates the screaming willies. | Nov 08 17:48 |
| CrystalMath | i don't think Trump is behind the anti-immigration sentiment | Nov 08 17:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He is. | Nov 08 17:49 |
| CrystalMath | no, i think it's the american people | Nov 08 17:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He only makes exceptions for the rich ones. | Nov 08 17:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that's not something the law lets him do. | Nov 08 17:49 |
| CrystalMath | the american people are somewhat xenophobic | Nov 08 17:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Public Charge was meant to apply to cash benefits, really. | Nov 08 17:49 |
| scientes | crystal meth zenophobix | Nov 08 17:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He changed it in ways that were not intended by Congress. | Nov 08 17:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And now Biden will have to write up a new regulation. | Nov 08 17:49 |
| CrystalMath | scientes: don't look at me, i'm not an american | Nov 08 17:49 |
| scientes | and only usonian american people | Nov 08 17:50 |
| scientes | CrystalMath, it was a pun | Nov 08 17:50 |
| scientes | have you even seen someone high on meth? | Nov 08 17:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You want to change the law, why don't you try winning Congress? | Nov 08 17:50 |
| CrystalMath | scientes: not in person | Nov 08 17:50 |
| CrystalMath | scientes: i talked to some on IRC | Nov 08 17:50 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Coney_Barrett#Abortion | Nov 08 17:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Congress never changed any of those laws. Trump just decided to torture them with shitty regulations that are so bad that the Supreme Court tossed many out because they didn't even satisfy the bare minimum for rulemaking standards. | Nov 08 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Amy Coney Barrett - Wikipedia | Nov 08 17:50 | |
| schestowitz | MELANIA divorces Trump | Nov 08 17:50 |
| schestowitz | did anyone mention it here alreadu? | Nov 08 17:51 |
| MinceR | a protege of scalia, who was another christian fundamentalist | Nov 08 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Donald is SINGLE, ladies... | Nov 08 17:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They never ruled on the substance of many of Trump's regulations. | Nov 08 17:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They said they couldn't get that far because he violated the Administrative Procedures Act and would need to start over. | Nov 08 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Donald is SINGLE, ladies... want to marry an obese man with billion in debt and many incoming lawsuits? | Nov 08 17:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they threw them out because he didn't even bother to follow a law that says how you make the rule in the first place. | Nov 08 17:51 |
| MinceR | there's also a very boring article on ACB on nytimes.com, which is mostly about how christian she is | Nov 08 17:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So his administration is as stupid as they are clumsy and that's why they didn't do more damage than they did. | Nov 08 17:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then Kolfage and Bannon are going to prison. | Nov 08 17:52 |
| MinceR | which is really disgusting -- despite the alleged separation of church and state, public figures keep parading their own religion around as if we're supposed to elect them on that basis | Nov 08 17:52 |
| MinceR | (not only in uhmerica) | Nov 08 17:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump isn't going to pardon them. He's the one that got on the phone with Bill Barr and had the Postal Inspectors arrest them in the first place. | Nov 08 17:53 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: so what you're saying is that they sabotaged legal immigration? | Nov 08 17:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if he did, the states could get them. | Nov 08 17:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | CrystalMath: Yes, I'm not pro-illegal immigration as such. | Nov 08 17:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just think there's nothing I can say strongly against it anymore because the legal method has been sabotaged so badly and in ways that are clearly not even lawful actions by the president. | Nov 08 17:54 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: and you believe Trump is the source of this issue? | Nov 08 17:54 |
| MinceR | https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/amy-coney-barrett-antonin-scalia.html | Nov 08 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nymag.com | Amy Coney Barrett Is Even More Extreme Than Antonin Scalia | Nov 08 17:54 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think he disregards the law totally, and therefore I no longer have any opposition to people getting by however they can. | Nov 08 17:54 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: she did not and will not ban abortion, just like Kavanaugh did not and will not ban abortion | Nov 08 17:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many of them could have gone through a legal process and can't now, so fuck ICE and I hope they all get dick and cunt rot and die. | Nov 08 17:55 |
| MinceR | until the "republicans" manage to push a legal case to the SCOTUS exactly for this purpose | Nov 08 17:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, repealing Roe not only wouldn't make abortion illegal.... | Nov 08 17:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It wouldn't even change the situation that much. | Nov 08 17:55 |
| MinceR | then they won't stop at repealing Roe | Nov 08 17:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The red states have "regulated" the clinics pretty much out of business anyway and what we have going on is states like Illinois building more clinics a mile across the state line. | Nov 08 17:56 |
| CrystalMath | i think that what they want is to let democracy decide the laws, not some court judges | Nov 08 17:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So just as many abortions, but maybe you have to travel. | Nov 08 17:56 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: when there's a will, there's a way | Nov 08 17:57 |
| MinceR | do they also keep reminding you that hitler was elected democratically? | Nov 08 17:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In exit polls from the election, 52% of Americans say abortion should be totally legal or legal in most cases. | Nov 08 17:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A very small percentage said always illegal. | Nov 08 17:57 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: that is NOT an excuse to hate democracy to the extent that you do | Nov 08 17:57 |
| CrystalMath | i believe in limiting democracy as well, with constitutional rights | Nov 08 17:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would have answered legal in most cases. | Nov 08 17:57 |
| MinceR | i don't hate democracy | Nov 08 17:57 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: you said that you don't care if the majority votes for Orban, you want him forced out because it's your will | Nov 08 17:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's still largely a state issue even with Roe. | Nov 08 17:58 |
| MinceR | but i don't confuse authoritarianism ran by someone who won an election once and then eliminated democracy with actual democracy | Nov 08 17:58 |
| CrystalMath | you basically want to impose your will upon others | Nov 08 17:58 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: that's not what i said | Nov 08 17:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All Roe did was make it impossible for states to ban it completely. | Nov 08 17:58 |
| MinceR | stop putting words in my mouth | Nov 08 17:58 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: i said that we don't really know anymore what the majority wants because orban fucked up the system and the press | Nov 08 17:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Voting is imposing your will upon others. | Nov 08 17:58 |
| MinceR | still, that 45% in 2018 suggests that the people don't want him in power | Nov 08 17:59 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: i know, and it's dangerous and a necessary evil, that's why it needs to be controlled by a constitution | Nov 08 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just slightly under half the population wanted Trump, and I voted and imposed my will upon others, and Biden is the new president. | Nov 08 17:59 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i know Orban isn't really popular, but it's more the part when you said "Biden should FORCE Orban to leave, or FORCE the EU to get him to leave" | Nov 08 17:59 |
| MinceR | it's so typical of "conservatives" to say that winning an election once is sufficient for democracy and wiping out checks and balances (including the constitution) is entirely acceptable and fits within "democracy" | Nov 08 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is a legal mechanism, you know. We're never going to have total agreement on anything, so instead of killing each other in the streets, we go vote, and the ideas that are the most popular tend to prevail. | Nov 08 18:00 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: again, i did not say that | Nov 08 18:00 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: it's more the principle, not the actual situation | Nov 08 18:00 |
| CrystalMath | you specifically mentioned soft power | Nov 08 18:00 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: i said that biden should use soft power to push against orban, to put him into less comfortable, less advantageous positions | Nov 08 18:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people will accept the results of a free and fair election even if they were on the losing side of an issue. | Nov 08 18:00 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: and you still don't know what soft power is | Nov 08 18:00 |
| MinceR | because you don't care | Nov 08 18:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We had the argument, you win some you lose some. | Nov 08 18:00 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i do, and i still think it's horrible | Nov 08 18:00 |
| MinceR | yes, like the fall of the previous russian empire was horrible, right? | Nov 08 18:01 |
| MinceR | you'd prefer to live in a satellite state of the USSR, wouldn't you? | Nov 08 18:01 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: absolutely, there's just the matter of the software moving Trump votes to Biden in some cases, but we'll see if that's really the case, i don't know | Nov 08 18:01 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: that's clearly external power as well | Nov 08 18:02 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i would prefer my neighbor as dictator than someone far away bringing "democracy" | Nov 08 18:02 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: orban being a client of putler is external power as well, just one that "conservatives" happen to like | Nov 08 18:02 |
| CrystalMath | because i think my neighbor will understand me better, still | Nov 08 18:02 |
| XRevan86 | Ukraine disagrees | Nov 08 18:02 |
| MinceR | because "conservatives" are horrible fascist scum | Nov 08 18:02 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i suppose maybe hegemonies are impossible to escape | Nov 08 18:03 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Distance reduces power. | Nov 08 18:03 |
| CrystalMath | but i wish they were escapable | Nov 08 18:03 |
| XRevan86 | It's much easier to get killed while living next door to a murderer than in a different city to them. | Nov 08 18:04 |
| MinceR | the EU could be a better hegemony, one of our own, if it wasn't controlled by fascists | Nov 08 18:05 |
| MinceR | (like the EPP and the ACRE) | Nov 08 18:05 |
| CrystalMath | i still don't know how i feel about the thought "i wish this other power would intervene so that i get my way instead of these other people" | Nov 08 18:07 |
| MinceR | if the EU stopped feeding orban and his cronies, that would already be a step forward | Nov 08 18:08 |
| MinceR | and a step they're unwilling to make | Nov 08 18:08 |
| CrystalMath | i suppose it's a very human thought, i mean i had it too | Nov 08 18:08 |
| CrystalMath | but idk if i can really pass it off as a moral thing | Nov 08 18:08 |
| CrystalMath | i mean, actually, it isn't wrong to wish it | Nov 08 18:09 |
| MinceR | i guess stopping an intervention also counts as an "intervention" if it's undesirable to "conservatives" | Nov 08 18:09 |
| CrystalMath | but it's somewhat undemocratic | Nov 08 18:09 |
| MinceR | good to know that taking over the press is not undemocratic | Nov 08 18:10 |
| CrystalMath | the press worldwide has gone to hell | Nov 08 18:10 |
| MinceR | you still have fox noise and breitbart :> | Nov 08 18:10 |
| CrystalMath | that's not what i mean | Nov 08 18:11 |
| CrystalMath | there's no middle ground | Nov 08 18:11 |
| CrystalMath | there's no objective fair news | Nov 08 18:11 |
| MinceR | there is objective fair news | Nov 08 18:11 |
| CrystalMath | it's all variants of pseudoreality | Nov 08 18:11 |
| MinceR | it's just that the "conservatives" cry about it being biased and unfair because it doesn't praise them 24/7 | Nov 08 18:11 |
| MinceR | "reality has a well-known liberal bias" | Nov 08 18:11 |
| CrystalMath | Breitbart is just a differnt pseudoreality | Nov 08 18:11 |
| MinceR | when the orban government is fucking up with everything, they'd be expected to come up with lies to make them look half good so that you could call them "fair and balanced" | Nov 08 18:12 |
| CrystalMath | there's something good about everyone, and something bad about everyone | Nov 08 18:12 |
| MinceR | when microshit is fucking up with everything, microshit fanboys demand that i come up with lies to praise microshit, otherwise i'm "biased" and "bashing" them | Nov 08 18:12 |
| MinceR | yes, and the thing that's good about people like orban is that they won't live forever | Nov 08 18:13 |
| CrystalMath | it's my years of experience struggling with borderline personality disorder that tell me that a bias towards the middle ground is never bad | Nov 08 18:13 |
| CrystalMath | in fact it's good to introduce such a bias, even if artificial | Nov 08 18:14 |
| MinceR | i prefer the truth to making shit up to create a bias towards the middle ground | Nov 08 18:14 |
| CrystalMath | but there is no truth | Nov 08 18:14 |
| MinceR | if "conservatives" want to look good, then they'll have to start doing good things | Nov 08 18:14 |
| CrystalMath | yes but there is no good | Nov 08 18:14 |
| CrystalMath | it's all relative | Nov 08 18:14 |
| MinceR | i know, in the world of "alternative facts", there is no truth | Nov 08 18:14 |
| CrystalMath | what's good or bad? it's not possible to answer this | Nov 08 18:14 |
| MinceR | that's what putler wants you to believe | Nov 08 18:14 |
| CrystalMath | because every answer is relative | Nov 08 18:14 |
| CrystalMath | no, it's just the philosophy of postmodernism | Nov 08 18:15 |
| MinceR | answers being relative only makes authoritarians look even worse | Nov 08 18:15 |
| CrystalMath | which i subscribe to | Nov 08 18:15 |
| MinceR | because we have only liberals/libertarians to compare them to | Nov 08 18:15 |
| XRevan86 | During wartime the value of pi can go as high up as 4 | Nov 08 18:15 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 08 18:15 |
| CrystalMath | although i mix it with nihilism | Nov 08 18:15 |
| MinceR | i thought bible-humpers decided that it was exactly 3.0 | Nov 08 18:15 |
| MinceR | because that's what the world's most overrated fable says | Nov 08 18:15 |
| CrystalMath | for astronomic scales pi can be approximated to 10 | Nov 08 18:16 |
| MinceR | https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/ | Nov 08 18:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opb.org | Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets - OPB | Nov 08 18:18 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's a Soviet joke | Nov 08 18:18 |
| MinceR | ah, makes sense then | Nov 08 18:18 |
| MinceR | if christians want to round pi down, stalinists would naturally want to round it up, just to be contrarian | Nov 08 18:18 |
| MinceR | https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/oregon-officials-decry-arrests-by-federal-agents-in-portland?__twitter_impression=true | Nov 08 18:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pbs.org | Oregon officials decry arrests by federal agents in Portland | PBS NewsHour | Nov 08 18:19 | |
| MinceR | here's cheeto hitler being totally not authoritarian | Nov 08 18:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Nay, 3.0 is just not as funny | Nov 08 18:19 |
| MinceR | here's police brutality and voter suppression in a nice little "conservative" package >> https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/watch-cops-pepper-spray-voters-marching-to-the-polls-in-north-carolina-including-a-5-year-old-girl/amp/?__twitter_impression=true | Nov 08 18:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | WATCH: Cops pepper-spray voters marching to the polls in North Carolina — including a 5-year-old girl | Raw Story | Nov 08 18:20 | |
| MinceR | totally not authoritarian, no sir! | Nov 08 18:20 |
| MinceR | oh, forgot "censorship" | Nov 08 18:20 |
| MinceR | https://www.hstoday.us/federal-pages/odni/cbp-ice-bids-to-join-intel-community-gain-traction/ | Nov 08 18:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hstoday.us | CBP, ICE Bids to Join Intel Community Gain Traction – Homeland Security Today | Nov 08 18:21 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: 3.0 is an approximation that is *actually* used in the army | Nov 08 18:21 |
| MinceR | uhmerican army? | Nov 08 18:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Don't know about that, but evidently snipers do approximate calculations to determine how far away a target it | Nov 08 18:22 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: what side was that? | Nov 08 18:23 |
| MinceR | hopefully not the engineers though :> | Nov 08 18:23 |
| CrystalMath | i mean, whose voters? | Nov 08 18:23 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: voting is supposed to be secret in uhmerica | Nov 08 18:23 |
| CrystalMath | NC is usually conservative | Nov 08 18:23 |
| CrystalMath | so this was an anti-conservative move | Nov 08 18:23 |
| MinceR | the "republican" "thinking" is that a) the fewer people vote the easier it is for the "republicans" to win and b) racial minorities (which "republicans" hate anyway) tend to vote against "republicans" | Nov 08 18:24 |
| CrystalMath | Portland is ANTIFA lunatic territory | Nov 08 18:24 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: nonsense! Trump told republicans to vote in person | Nov 08 18:25 |
| CrystalMath | democrats voted by mail | Nov 08 18:25 |
| MinceR | right, everyone who isn't a card-carrying "republican" is an "antifa lunatic" who should just be kidnapped and killed by goons with unmarked vans | Nov 08 18:25 |
| CrystalMath | they're afraid they'll catch the COld | Nov 08 18:25 |
| MinceR | or as CrystalMath calls it, "freedom!" | Nov 08 18:25 |
| XRevan86 | Did Trump vote democrat by mail? | Nov 08 18:25 |
| CrystalMath | coldvid :P | Nov 08 18:25 |
| MinceR | NC is currently reported 50.0% twitler, 48.6% biden | Nov 08 18:26 |
| MinceR | so no, not everyone in NC votes for cheeto hitler | Nov 08 18:26 |
| CrystalMath | well... trump voters were pepper sprayed by police | Nov 08 18:26 |
| CrystalMath | maybe that's why | Nov 08 18:26 |
| MinceR | i know, it's a minority (even if by a small margin) so it's as if those people never even existed | Nov 08 18:26 |
| CrystalMath | democrats just mailed ballots, so they could not be affected | Nov 08 18:26 |
| MinceR | not all democrats did | Nov 08 18:26 |
| MinceR | didn't DaemonFC[m] say his voting by mail was sabotaged so he ended up voting in person? | Nov 08 18:27 |
| CrystalMath | hmm | Nov 08 18:27 |
| CrystalMath | well i'm against voting by mail | Nov 08 18:27 |
| MinceR | we know | Nov 08 18:27 |
| CrystalMath | but i support voting | Nov 08 18:27 |
| CrystalMath | and nobody should be prevented | Nov 08 18:27 |
| MinceR | the DHA man said voting by mail is fraud, after all | Nov 08 18:27 |
| MinceR | and everything he says is literally true, isn't it? | Nov 08 18:27 |
| CrystalMath | it opens up to fraud | Nov 08 18:27 |
| CrystalMath | i didn't need Trump to know that | Nov 08 18:28 |
| CrystalMath | i mean come on | Nov 08 18:28 |
| MinceR | especially if he later says the opposite and denies ever saying it | Nov 08 18:28 |
| CrystalMath | even if Trump would now say that voting by mail (or worse, online) is good, i would disagree | Nov 08 18:28 |
| MinceR | we can't test that :( | Nov 08 18:28 |
| CrystalMath | even in person votes get stolen a lot | Nov 08 18:28 |
| MinceR | but obviously if there's a higher chance of fraud in voting by mail, the only correct way to fix that is to a) sabotage the USPS and b) try to stop counting votes after election day | Nov 08 18:29 |
| *XRevan86 does agree that complicated voting systems are unfavourable. | Nov 08 18:29 | |
| MinceR | because changing the rules is totally out of the question | Nov 08 18:29 |
| MinceR | right? | Nov 08 18:29 |
| MinceR | i mean, changing the rules when there's no election going on | Nov 08 18:29 |
| MinceR | you know, like they'd do in a state with rule of law | Nov 08 18:30 |
| MinceR | if such states exist at all | Nov 08 18:30 |
| CrystalMath | i disagreed with Trump many times, and still do | Nov 08 18:30 |
| CrystalMath | his murder of Soleimani was outrageous | Nov 08 18:30 |
| CrystalMath | his constant attacks on Iran are horrible | Nov 08 18:30 |
| MinceR | ironic how the loudest "LAW AND ORDERRRR!!111" people tend to be the staunchest enemies of rule of law | Nov 08 18:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ironic, yes. | Nov 08 18:31 |
| CrystalMath | i really don't understand why he declared a national emergency regarding covid, especially after already banking on it being nothing | Nov 08 18:31 |
| CrystalMath | and even before that there was stuff that i sort of forgave | Nov 08 18:31 |
| CrystalMath | oh, yeah, he involved Oracle v. Google to go the wrong way | Nov 08 18:31 |
| CrystalMath | *influenced | Nov 08 18:31 |
| MinceR | probably because it gave him extra powers | Nov 08 18:32 |
| MinceR | that's the only thing orban was interested in | Nov 08 18:32 |
| MinceR | https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-china-detention-camp-xinjiang-2020-6 | Nov 08 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com.au | Trump told China's president that building concentration camps for millions of Uighur Muslims was 'exactly the right thing to do,' former adviser says | Business Insider | Nov 08 18:32 | |
| CrystalMath | yikes | Nov 08 18:33 |
| MinceR | maybe if cheeto hitler wins again, he'll build concentration camps in uhmerica, too! | Nov 08 18:33 |
| CrystalMath | i must have missed that one, too | Nov 08 18:33 |
| CrystalMath | but yeah | Nov 08 18:33 |
| CrystalMath | unless maybe it's somehow not true | Nov 08 18:33 |
| CrystalMath | oh! i remember now | Nov 08 18:33 |
| CrystalMath | that crap he said about mexicans in the beginning | Nov 08 18:33 |
| CrystalMath | that was bad | Nov 08 18:33 |
| MinceR | if it's bad for twitler, it's obviously FAKE NEWS | Nov 08 18:33 |
| CrystalMath | is it, though? | Nov 08 18:33 |
| MinceR | that's what his cult says every time | Nov 08 18:34 |
| CrystalMath | i mean he could have said it to get votes from the edgy part of his base | Nov 08 18:34 |
| CrystalMath | in which case it's still bad | Nov 08 18:34 |
| CrystalMath | and of course i still disagree with it | Nov 08 18:34 |
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| CrystalMath | before he became president, there was more | Nov 08 18:35 |
| CrystalMath | he insulted Ron Paul on several occasions | Nov 08 18:36 |
| MinceR | https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/national-guard-troops-deployed-white-house-trump-calls/story?id=71004151 | Nov 08 18:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abcnews.go.com | Police use munitions to forcibly push back peaceful protesters for Trump church visit - ABC News | Nov 08 18:36 | |
| CrystalMath | umm, "peaceful protestors" now makes me think of violent antifa BLM mobs | Nov 08 18:36 |
| CrystalMath | so i don't have a good impression of this article | Nov 08 18:36 |
| CrystalMath | (before reading) | Nov 08 18:37 |
| MinceR | yeah, without "peaceful" it would have made you think of violent "republican" mobs, right? | Nov 08 18:37 |
| CrystalMath | but why would those attack Trump? | Nov 08 18:37 |
| MinceR | obviously only "conservatives" have the right to protest | Nov 08 18:37 |
| CrystalMath | BLM is crappy and destroyed innocent people's businesses | Nov 08 18:37 |
| MinceR | the freedom to take away your freedom. | Nov 08 18:37 |
| CrystalMath | i talked to people who live in Seattle | Nov 08 18:37 |
| CrystalMath | that whole CHAZ/CHOP thing was horrible | Nov 08 18:38 |
| MinceR | freedom of religion the "conservative" way: "you have the freedom to practice my religion, my way." | Nov 08 18:38 |
| MinceR | "but BLM/CHAZ/CHOP" is the new "but her emails"? | Nov 08 18:38 |
| MinceR | the more i hear about it the more i suspect it was just trolls the "conservatives" had infiltrate the movement | Nov 08 18:39 |
| CrystalMath | they stabbed a black woman | Nov 08 18:39 |
| CrystalMath | 3 times in the back | Nov 08 18:39 |
| MinceR | yup, keep going | Nov 08 18:39 |
| CrystalMath | she was a conservative though, she's a christian anti-abortionist | Nov 08 18:39 |
| CrystalMath | i don't agree with her views | Nov 08 18:39 |
| CrystalMath | but i don't think her lungs deserved to be pierced | Nov 08 18:40 |
| MinceR | was she a self-hating black too? | Nov 08 18:40 |
| CrystalMath | no | Nov 08 18:40 |
| MinceR | have they found the MAGA cap in the attacker's pocket yet? | Nov 08 18:40 |
| CrystalMath | she just defended some old man | Nov 08 18:40 |
| CrystalMath | she stood in between some antifa thug and an old white man | Nov 08 18:40 |
| CrystalMath | and took 3 stabs | Nov 08 18:40 |
| CrystalMath | as far as i'm concerned she's a hero | Nov 08 18:41 |
| CrystalMath | i think her name is Beverly something | Nov 08 18:41 |
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| CrystalMath | also i heard the old man is a Trump supporter and his son is a member of the "proud boys" | Nov 08 18:42 |
| CrystalMath | i don't understand why you won't admit that your side is violent | Nov 08 18:43 |
| MinceR | i don't understand why you won't admit that yours is | Nov 08 18:43 |
| CrystalMath | well the side i'm defending isn't really my side, although it is violent | Nov 08 18:43 |
| CrystalMath | my side is libertarianism | Nov 08 18:43 |
| MinceR | which one? | Nov 08 18:43 |
| CrystalMath | free market, pro-privacy | Nov 08 18:44 |
| CrystalMath | pro-free-software, anti-patent | Nov 08 18:44 |
| CrystalMath | and of course, pro-individualist, for individual autonomy | Nov 08 18:44 |
| CrystalMath | and generally not being told what to do | Nov 08 18:44 |
| CrystalMath | and recently i've adopted a stance to get rid of human supremacy | Nov 08 18:45 |
| MinceR | so why do you defend the "republicans"? | Nov 08 18:45 |
| MinceR | they're an enemy to you about as much as to me | Nov 08 18:45 |
| CrystalMath | well, primarily because i think that with Trump as president, i think that the US will stay out of wars | Nov 08 18:47 |
| CrystalMath | that's i think the greatest thing about Trump | Nov 08 18:47 |
| MinceR | "jyna" doesn't count? | Nov 08 18:47 |
| CrystalMath | as it was about Carter, and even Nixon (he left Vietnam after all) | Nov 08 18:47 |
| MinceR | though i guess on the long term, it could work | Nov 08 18:48 |
| CrystalMath | funnily enough, the american media mostly hates Carter, Nixon, and Trump | Nov 08 18:48 |
| CrystalMath | the only 3 presidents that did not start a war since WW2 | Nov 08 18:48 |
| MinceR | "republicans" grab power, ensure that children get only religious brainwashing instead of actual education and that immigrants can't get jobs either => the economy collapses without any trained, intelligent people => people starve to death => can't wage wars anymore! | Nov 08 18:48 |
| CrystalMath | and all 3 have been either voted out (Carter), impeached (Trump, Nixon) or removed (Nixon) | Nov 08 18:49 |
| MinceR | i do wonder why "jyna" doesn't count though | Nov 08 18:50 |
| CrystalMath | that was just tarrifs wasn't it? | Nov 08 18:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nixon resigned. | Nov 08 18:50 |
| MinceR | trade war, for now | Nov 08 18:50 |
| CrystalMath | i mean, if we count that, then there has not been a single US president that didn't wage wars :P | Nov 08 18:50 |
| CrystalMath | even Carter had that Iran incident | Nov 08 18:50 |
| MinceR | also, Agent Orange's impeachment didn't result in his removal, so it's irrelevant | Nov 08 18:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, that wasn't what did him in. | Nov 08 18:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ted Kennedy fractured the party badly by running a primary challenge. | Nov 08 18:51 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: what i think is that the american people love killing non-americans, so they hate presidents that refuse to do so | Nov 08 18:52 |
| MinceR | strange | Nov 08 18:53 |
| MinceR | i suspect cheeto hitler contributed to the eventual death of many unamericans by helping global warming happen | Nov 08 18:53 |
| MinceR | and they don't love him for that? | Nov 08 18:53 |
| CrystalMath | too indirect :P | Nov 08 18:53 |
| CrystalMath | and besides, that kills americans too | Nov 08 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nixon didn't start a war because he expanded the one in Vietnam. | Nov 08 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that's a technicality I guess? | Nov 08 18:54 |
| CrystalMath | didn't he end the vietnam one? | Nov 08 18:54 |
| CrystalMath | i mean Lyndon Johnson was the biggest expander as far as i remember | Nov 08 18:54 |
| MinceR | wars kill uhmericans too | Nov 08 18:55 |
| CrystalMath | hmm, yeah i haven't figured out why they don't mind losing | Nov 08 18:55 |
| CrystalMath | as long as there's a war | Nov 08 18:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nixon fumbled with it a lot ad incompetently handled it and then we lost. | Nov 08 18:55 |
| schestowitz | oh | Nov 08 18:56 |
| schestowitz | we're in the front page of HN | Nov 08 18:56 |
| schestowitz | that explains the influx of traffic | Nov 08 18:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/betterhn20/status/1325512082385739784 | Nov 08 18:56 |
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| CrystalMath | oh, interestng | Nov 08 18:56 |
| CrystalMath | *interesting | Nov 08 18:56 |
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| CrystalMath | MinceR: also, as any true libertarian, i oppose covid lockdowns | Nov 08 19:02 |
| CrystalMath | then again, Trump doesn't | Nov 08 19:02 |
| CrystalMath | that doesn't mean that in the case of a virus, especially a dangerous virus, people shouldn't be careful not to infect people on their own | Nov 08 19:03 |
| MinceR | i find every measure the government of nazi hungary tried so far against COVID-19 to be pointless at best and usually harmful so far | Nov 08 19:03 |
| MinceR | so it would indeed have been better if they did nothing | Nov 08 19:03 |
| CrystalMath | but i definitely believe in Sweden's approach | Nov 08 19:03 |
| MinceR | humans should be intelligent enough to listen to recommendations made by scientists and not need orders from states | Nov 08 19:04 |
| CrystalMath | Sweden did have the libertarian approach this year | Nov 08 19:04 |
| MinceR | of course they aren't, and that may lead to their extinction | Nov 08 19:04 |
| CrystalMath | though i think the virus getting into old folks' homes could have been prevented | Nov 08 19:04 |
| CrystalMath | after all that's the one group of people you're supposed to protect | Nov 08 19:04 |
| CrystalMath | "you had one job..." | Nov 08 19:04 |
| MinceR | actually people with chronic diseases are also at risk | Nov 08 19:06 |
| CrystalMath | and people with a specific mutation in TLR7 | Nov 08 19:06 |
| CrystalMath | idk how people with late-phase untreated HIV handle it | Nov 08 19:07 |
| MinceR | probably not well | Nov 08 19:07 |
| CrystalMath | but they might not be able to handle the viral load, despite the lack of immune-caused destruction | Nov 08 19:08 |
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| MinceR | (cat) (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/17/a92d4bd964e932bf.mp4 | Nov 08 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: ñamka | Nov 08 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | ñam-ñam-om-nom-nom | Nov 08 19:21 |
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| vZS1 | schestowitz: had a look at the CID index over on techright.org/ipfs. Good first step. | Nov 08 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | vZS1: more in http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/irc-log-071120/ | Nov 08 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, November 07, 2020 | Techrights | Nov 08 19:32 | |
| vZS1 | Don't forget you can read stuff with a straight `ipfs cat CID | less` | Nov 08 19:36 |
| vZS1 | It would be nice to have a text file without any HTML. | Nov 08 19:39 |
| vZS1 | Just with a simple format of "CID DESCRIPTION" | Nov 08 19:40 |
| vZS1 | But I guess the HTML will be more friendly for the blind | Nov 08 19:42 |
| CrystalMath | how is html better for the blind? | Nov 08 19:45 |
| CrystalMath | you can just do espeak text.txt | Nov 08 19:45 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: A simple index with `printf "%s %s\n" ${CID} ${DESCRIPTION}` | Nov 08 19:52 |
| vZS1 | That way adding a big list of pins for a reader is trivial. | Nov 08 19:53 |
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| vZS1 | I pinged the whole index locally. It's only about 8M of data | Nov 08 20:21 |
| vZS1 | pinned* | Nov 08 20:22 |
| vZS1 | Made a plaintext version of the index for now manually. | Nov 08 20:22 |
| vZS1 | `$ for i in $(cut -d ' ' -f 1 < ~/techrights_ipfs_index.txt); do ipfs pin add "${i}"; done` | Nov 08 20:25 |
| vZS1 | That's how I pinned the full thing. | Nov 08 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/engel-world-reacted-to-biden-win-like-u-s-overthrew-a-dictator-95527493828 | Nov 08 20:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msnbc.com | Engel: World reacted to Biden win like U.S. overthrew a dictator | Nov 08 20:46 | |
| smnthermes | https://theoutline.com/post/4653/the-internet-s-collective-memory-is-unstable-as-hell | Nov 08 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theoutline.com | The Wayback Machine’s archives could be deleted with the click of a button | The Outline | Nov 08 20:47 | |
| smnthermes | This is worrying | Nov 08 20:48 |
| vZS1 | I don't see what's so worrying | Nov 08 20:51 |
| vZS1 | If someone took your data without your consent, they should delete it upon your request | Nov 08 20:51 |
| vZS1 | Just because someone posts their data on the internet doesn't mean that data no longer belongs to the person that posted it. | Nov 08 20:53 |
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| smnthermes | Not when someone requests to delete info which isn't related to his/her personal life | Nov 08 21:02 |
| vZS1 | Data ownership isn't that simple | Nov 08 21:03 |
| vZS1 | Someone can own data that isn't related to their person. | Nov 08 21:04 |
| vZS1 | A company is also considered a person | Nov 08 21:04 |
| vZS1 | In that link some entity asked for their data to be removed from the internet archive. I don't see what the issue is. | Nov 08 21:07 |
| vZS1 | If the archive refused, they'd actually open themselves up to a lot of possible legal action. | Nov 08 21:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I always groan when I hear people say they don't vote because 1 vote doesn't change anything. | Nov 08 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | While it's rare that elections deadlock or get decided by one vote, it's not at all rare that the loser of a close election demands a recount, and maybe they get enough votes voided to win. Besides, what would happen if everyone said that? | Nov 08 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In 2016, people said well I didn't vote because Hillary Clinton would probably win, and then we got Trump for four years. | Nov 08 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not because any particular person didn't vote, but because millions of people collectively said what difference does it make. | Nov 08 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's dumb to assume anything. | Nov 08 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What if the final count between even a local election, which matters to you, is so close that the candidate you don't want successfully challenges enough ballots? You not only have to win, you have to anticipate the loser demanding a recount and lawyers arguing over every single ballot. | Nov 08 21:30 |
| vZS1 | DaemonFC[m]: my parliamentary constituency had ~30 vote margin to decide the winner. | Nov 08 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's going to be a lot harder for Trump to challenge 10,350 in Georgia or whatever the case may be than if it was 100. | Nov 08 21:30 |
| vZS1 | The first count was challenged | Nov 08 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, we get a lot of danger close elections in Lake County. | Nov 08 21:31 |
| vZS1 | Two recounts happened | Nov 08 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In 2018, the Republican Sheriff won, the Democrat demanded a recount, and the Democrat ended up winning by 136 votes. | Nov 08 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because they looked harder and saw that some more provisionals should have been counted and were not. | Nov 08 21:32 |
| vZS1 | Yep. Every vote counts. I make sure to remind all my friends and family to vote. I got most of them on postal votes | Nov 08 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then the Sheriff that lost ran for US Senator this year in Illinois and lost to Dick Durbin in a huge landslide. | Nov 08 21:32 |
| vZS1 | Makes it much easier for them to vote by post | Nov 08 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Durbin is one of those people who will never lose a Senate election in Illinois short of saying ketchup belongs on a hotdog. | Nov 08 21:33 |
| vZS1 | Lol | Nov 08 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So running against him is sort of like why do it. | Nov 08 21:33 |
| vZS1 | Dennis Skinner in the UK had a similar situation | Nov 08 21:35 |
| vZS1 | He passed away a year or two ago | Nov 08 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.illinoispolicy.org/pritzker-other-top-democrats-want-madigan-out-as-party-leader/ | Nov 08 21:35 |
| vZS1 | Decades of electoral success | Nov 08 21:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.illinoispolicy.org | Pritzker, other top Democrats want Madigan out as party leader | Nov 08 21:35 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Madigan said he's not going anywhere. | Nov 08 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | (Except to prison.) | Nov 08 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The feds are going to bust him before Trump leaves. You heard it here first. | Nov 08 21:36 |
| CrystalMath | Pritzker is that moron that locked up Illinois? | Nov 08 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is extremely angry at everyone who had anything to do with making the political career of Obama (especially now that Biden is a spin-off from Obama's presidency). | Nov 08 21:37 |
| CrystalMath | that guy deserves to rot forever | Nov 08 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I voted for Pritzker. | Nov 08 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There were no other choices really at that point. | Nov 08 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bruce Rauner was a terrible governor and I just didn't see how it could possibly get worse. | Nov 08 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Although in the primary, I voted for Daniel Biss. | Nov 08 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rauner had a 16% approval rating in Illinois when he left office. | Nov 08 21:38 |
| CrystalMath | that was a republican? | Nov 08 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, he was. And if Illinois wasn't teetering on bankruptcy before him, it sure was after him. | Nov 08 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He managed to shut down the state government, which didn't save money. What it did was force the state to limp along on court orders and continuing appropriations while its bills went unpaid. | Nov 08 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which triggered a state law requiring the state to eventually pay everything that backed up at 12% interest, which is more than double the rate the state usually borrows at. | Nov 08 21:39 |
| CrystalMath | okay so indeed there was no choice | Nov 08 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the 12% law was so that banks would step up and pay the state's vendors because they knew eventually they'd get the double interest, and theoretically it pushes the state government to pass a tax and spending bill. | Nov 08 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Except Rauner refused to sign anything, even when Mike Madigan started to offer some concessions. | Nov 08 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Bruce Rauner ended up costing Illinois taxpayers over $16.8 billion in additional interest vs. not shutting down the government. | Nov 08 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that was only with the partial shutdown of 2 years, because the state still didn't have money and then Republicans ended up overriding his veto of a budget and a 20% income tax hike to get the state running again. | Nov 08 21:42 |
| CrystalMath | the worst governor in the US is Gretchen Whitmer | Nov 08 21:42 |
| CrystalMath | better known as Gretchen Hitler | Nov 08 21:42 |
| CrystalMath | what is it with people whose last name ends in "er"? | Nov 08 21:43 |
| CrystalMath | why are they always fascists | Nov 08 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd preface everything in American politics as "The worst one, as these things tend to go.". | Nov 08 21:43 |
| CrystalMath | okay, except for Carter :P | Nov 08 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd say that Carter is a generally decent man, and wasn't a terrible president. | Nov 08 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He got it much worse than he deserved. | Nov 08 21:44 |
| CrystalMath | agreed | Nov 08 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He was upstaged by a charismatic Hollywood actor with no fixed set of morals. | Nov 08 21:44 |
| CrystalMath | did you even known that Michigan banned the sale of fresh fruit and vegetables because of covid? | Nov 08 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, Reagan signed that abortion bill in California. | Nov 08 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How does that protect you from COVID? Sounds like that's bad for the immune system. | Nov 08 21:44 |
| CrystalMath | ask Gretchen Hitler | Nov 08 21:45 |
| CrystalMath | she's a democrat btw | Nov 08 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The funny part is that my dad and mom were christening Trump to be the second coming of Ronald Reagan. | Nov 08 21:45 |
| CrystalMath | i was tempted to do so 3 years ago | Nov 08 21:45 |
| CrystalMath | but he's more like the second coming of Nixon :P | Nov 08 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is hilarious. Trump never worked with Congress and his achievements were mostly bullshit and scaring dumb people. You know. | Nov 08 21:46 |
| CrystalMath | it's just that people desperately need a Reagan | Nov 08 21:46 |
| CrystalMath | so they're seeing him anywhere | Nov 08 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was his whole re-election thing. Black people and Mexicans are coming to your white town to burn your house down and rape you. | Nov 08 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And it's ridiculous. | Nov 08 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Presidents who don't get along with Congress generally don't achieve much of anything that lasts. | Nov 08 21:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you either find a way to get along or your whole presidency turns into a pumpkin at noon on January 20th of whenever you leave. Biden has hundreds of executive orders ready to sign. | Nov 08 21:47 |
| CrystalMath | indeed, as soon as i tried to get into the idea that Trump is a new Reagan i noticed the dissonance | Nov 08 21:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, Reagan won both of his elections by huge and undeniable margins. | Nov 08 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Regardless of how you feel about him. | Nov 08 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Both were bigger than Trump's and he only lost Minnesota and DC in '84. | Nov 08 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump's presidency was ended because the voter consensus was "Okay, this is terrible. Time for something...anything else.". | Nov 08 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Picking off an incumbent president is a real uphill battle. | Nov 08 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So even doing it narrowly means you deserve some credit for that. | Nov 08 21:49 |
| CrystalMath | well things have been going great before covid | Nov 08 21:50 |
| CrystalMath | i don't think Trump did a bad job | Nov 08 21:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Incumbents just have a lot of advantages. They're there. They're a known factor. Most people don't usually see a reason to change horses midstream. They can pull a lot of stunts, like Trump signing the stimulus checks and sending those $200 Medicare cards to people with his signature on them. | Nov 08 21:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That ought to last about 5 seconds, but hey. Taxpayers had to fund that. | Nov 08 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's staggering corruption. | Nov 08 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A one time $200 medicare drug coupon with his signature timed to get there right before an election? | Nov 08 21:51 |
| CrystalMath | that was during covid | Nov 08 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Come on. :) | Nov 08 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He also said he had more plans to end legal immigration. | Nov 08 21:52 |
| CrystalMath | what? | Nov 08 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm happy to disappoint him, and his voters. | Nov 08 21:52 |
| CrystalMath | "legal"? | Nov 08 21:52 |
| CrystalMath | i don't believe he said that | Nov 08 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, he said more immigration regulations coming to follow public charge and the end of DACA he said, in a second term. | Nov 08 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I heard that and was like nope nope nope. | Nov 08 21:52 |
| CrystalMath | okay but DACA is about illegals isn't it? | Nov 08 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he had left immigration and the ACA alone pretty much I may not have opposed him. | Nov 08 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DACA is kind of a gray area. | Nov 08 21:53 |
| CrystalMath | more immigration regulations is bad, anway | Nov 08 21:53 |
| CrystalMath | *anyway | Nov 08 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Legally, it's a deferred deportation program which is authorized by INA. | Nov 08 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | USCIS can defer deportation as long as it feels like. | Nov 08 21:53 |
| CrystalMath | hmm | Nov 08 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So there's nothing illegal about DACA, but as an executive order it's really up to the president, which makes it in danger. | Nov 08 21:54 |
| CrystalMath | well being a libertarian my priority is not with preventing immigration at all | Nov 08 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump tried ending it and it got bogged down in court. | Nov 08 21:54 |
| CrystalMath | so i have no opinion on DACA | Nov 08 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the Supreme Court will never hear it now because they can't get to it while the federal government is still trying to shut it down. | Nov 08 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I happen to agree with DACA because it's about people who arrived as children. | Nov 08 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most went to US schools and only know English and they didn't come here and violate the law. | Nov 08 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You only break the law if you cross the border intentionally, and if you're 2 years old and your parents are carrying you over one....... | Nov 08 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's also a misdemeanor even if you did it on purpose. | Nov 08 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it is unlawful presence, but that's a civil issue. | Nov 08 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But since DACA is an executive order, it'll be in danger every time the White House flips to the Republicans, and they may not be able to stall it out in court next time. | Nov 08 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But for the next 4 years, it won't be in danger. | Nov 08 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Biden will terminate the order that rescinded it and stop appealing that it should be overturned. | Nov 08 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Supreme Court can't take up a case that doesn't exist. | Nov 08 21:59 |
| CrystalMath | Biden won't pardon Assange | Nov 08 22:01 |
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| CrystalMath | and Assange is a hero | Nov 08 22:03 |
| CrystalMath | he might even get executed by the US government under Biden | Nov 08 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/devbisme/status/1325537443815239681 | Nov 08 22:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@devbisme: Interesting fact: Joe spent 80% of his money ($625M) on media buys. That's why you'll never, ever have campaign fin… https://t.co/KQURJu1sNy | Nov 08 22:05 | |
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| schestowitz | " | Nov 08 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Interesting fact: Joe spent 80% of his money ($625M) on media buys. That's why you'll never, ever have campaign finance reform. Never. Ever. | Nov 08 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Who President Biden is Indebted to | Nov 08 22:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 08 22:05 |
| schestowitz | [19:36] <vZS1> Don't forget you can read stuff with a straight `ipfs cat CID | less` | Nov 08 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, can add that also | Nov 08 22:07 |
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| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: but apparently you don't care... you don't mind that the exposer of america's crimes is gonna be killed... what's your logic? those iraq kids should have emigrated to the US if they didn't want to be dead? | Nov 08 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Trump would not pardon Assange | Nov 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz | he went further than Obama in attacking Assange | Nov 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz | he and Pompeo | Nov 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz | study the facts | Nov 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz | he also attempted to blackmail Assange | Nov 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz | as Assange lawyers told the court back in October and the start of the year | Nov 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz | this makes Trump a lot worse to Assange | Nov 08 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Obama mostly set this case aside | Nov 08 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | knowing that using Espionage Act agaibst journalists would be devastating | Nov 08 22:28 |
| schestowitz | with Trump out of the WH there's a chance the case will be dropped | Nov 08 22:28 |
| schestowitz | even before the decision is issued next year | Nov 08 22:28 |
| schestowitz | (not that Biden likes Assange... he called him "high tech terrorist") | Nov 08 22:29 |
| schestowitz | later he changed his words a bit, seeing it was a bad portrayal given what Assange actually did | Nov 08 22:29 |
| schestowitz | it's on youtube, where he relented about those words | Nov 08 22:29 |
| schestowitz | the calls to kill Assange came mostly from GOP | Nov 08 22:30 |
| CrystalMath | hmm.... | Nov 08 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | study the facts | Nov 08 22:31 |
| schestowitz | I know Assange, we used to talk | Nov 08 22:31 |
| CrystalMath | you know i read news from both sides | Nov 08 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Trump just used him | Nov 08 22:31 |
| CrystalMath | and all it's doing is making me go crazy | Nov 08 22:31 |
| CrystalMath | the two sides have information that is absolutely conflicting | Nov 08 22:31 |
| CrystalMath | like two mirror universes | Nov 08 22:31 |
| schestowitz | He shouted things against Trump | Nov 08 22:31 |
| schestowitz | when he was dragged out of the embassy | Nov 08 22:32 |
| schestowitz | his friend at the prison just killed himself | Nov 08 22:32 |
| CrystalMath | oh my :( | Nov 08 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Assange is also at risk | Nov 08 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | vZS1: we're at the front page of 'hacker' 'news' | Nov 08 22:36 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: be careful of qanon misinformation | Nov 08 22:36 |
| schestowitz | their whole "trust the plan" BS was ridiculed and condemned by Assange | Nov 08 22:36 |
| schestowitz | this idea that when Trump attacked Wikileaks he was actually trying to 'help' Assange | Nov 08 22:37 |
| schestowitz | same people who alleged Assange had died around 2016 | Nov 08 22:37 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: what's that? | Nov 08 22:37 |
| schestowitz | and interviews with him were "HEY HI" (AI) | Nov 08 22:37 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: it's a site that pretends to be for hackers | Nov 08 22:37 |
| vZS1 | Don't they all | Nov 08 22:38 |
| schestowitz | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25027296 | Nov 08 22:38 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Assange doesn't deserve a pardon. | Nov 08 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He deserves whatever happens to him. | Nov 08 22:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: and Manning? | Nov 08 22:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Didn't unleash Trump on us as far as I know. | Nov 08 22:39 |
| schestowitz | "unleash" | Nov 08 22:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 226 Democrats in the House isn't so bad when you consider that these are still those Republican Gerrymander maps from 2010. | Nov 08 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After the redistricting, the Republicans won't be in control to the extent they were back then. | Nov 08 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the fundamentals should be friendlier to Democrats. I strongly doubt they'll lose the House in 2022. | Nov 08 22:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: As far as I'm concerned, anyone responsible for this total pigfuck of the last four years deserves what's coming to them. | Nov 08 22:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Assange is in deep shit. The Ecuadorian embassy threw him out because he was incredibly rude and trashed the place. | Nov 08 22:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He has the table manners of a wild animal. | Nov 08 22:44 |
| CrystalMath | rumors | Nov 08 22:44 |
| CrystalMath | with no evidence | Nov 08 22:44 |
| CrystalMath | Assange is a hero | Nov 08 22:44 |
| CrystalMath | but now we see your true colors DaemonFC[m] | Nov 08 22:44 |
| CrystalMath | you don't care about what the US does in Iraq | Nov 08 22:45 |
| CrystalMath | you don't care how many people are killed outside | Nov 08 22:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: no, those are falsehoods | Nov 08 22:45 |
| schestowitz | ask people who worked there | Nov 08 22:45 |
| schestowitz | they refute that | Nov 08 22:45 |
| CrystalMath | your right to carry over a child from Mexico to the US is more important to you than the LIVES of people outside | Nov 08 22:45 |
| CrystalMath | that's why you voted for a warmonger | Nov 08 22:45 |
| CrystalMath | that's why you want Assange dead | Nov 08 22:45 |
| schestowitz | both pres. candidates are warmongers | Nov 08 22:45 |
| schestowitz | and both want Assange killed | Nov 08 22:46 |
| schestowitz | so... | Nov 08 22:46 |
| CrystalMath | because you don't want to know what HARM is caused by america's comfortable life | Nov 08 22:46 |
| schestowitz | well, same old... | Nov 08 22:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nevertheless, they persisted.... | Nov 08 22:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Black Friday is going ahead anyway. | Nov 08 22:47 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Same cheap junk mostly. | Nov 08 22:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I usually look at it and pick up things if I needed one anyway, but for the most part it's the wrong time to buy electronics. | Nov 08 22:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They make special models just to sell very cheaply, and then you get a $199 TV or something that konks out on you 2 months later. | Nov 08 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People fall for it every year. | Nov 08 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sad. | Nov 08 22:48 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: honestly i don't think Biden will pardon Assange... Trump still might, out of gratitude at least | Nov 08 22:49 |
| CrystalMath | i looked into it, and he could do it as his last act as president | Nov 08 22:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is going to pardon a lot of shitheads on the way out. | Nov 08 22:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We knew it, but he would have kept wrecking the country then done the last minute pardons 4 years from now anyway. | Nov 08 22:50 |
| schestowitz | [22:49] <CrystalMath> schestowitz: honestly i don't think Biden will pardon Assange... Trump still might, out of gratitude at least | Nov 08 22:50 |
| schestowitz | no! | Nov 08 22:50 |
| schestowitz | study harder | Nov 08 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I mean..... Best to just get him over and done with rather than what he does 5 minutes to the end of his term. | Nov 08 22:50 |
| CrystalMath | you keep believing these people but just look at DaemonFC[m] | Nov 08 22:50 |
| schestowitz | and not with sources like youtube fakes | Nov 08 22:50 |
| CrystalMath | democrats are sick bastards with no sense of justice | Nov 08 22:51 |
| schestowitz | unlike GOP LOL | Nov 08 22:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Walmart is doing $29 vacuum cleaners and $379 laptops. | Nov 08 22:51 |
| schestowitz | those cleaners don't last long | Nov 08 22:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd almost be afraid to even look. HP has some of the most disastrous EFI firmware. | Nov 08 22:51 |
| schestowitz | and when the engine/power unit goes, you buy another | Nov 08 22:51 |
| schestowitz | those laptops are expensive | Nov 08 22:52 |
| schestowitz | you can buy a raspi 400 | Nov 08 22:52 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, my Shark (bought it open box from Amazon warehouse deals) has been going strong for about 4 years now. | Nov 08 22:52 |
| schestowitz | it's about 70 or 80 bucks | Nov 08 22:52 |
| schestowitz | dual head, 4 gb of ram | Nov 08 22:52 |
| CrystalMath | https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/29/fact-check-joe-biden-misspoke-campaigns-voter-protections/6061563002/ | Nov 08 22:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Fact check: Joe Biden misspoke about campaign's voter protections | Nov 08 22:52 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Despite having to clean out all the cat hair. | Nov 08 22:52 |
| schestowitz | includes keyboard | Nov 08 22:52 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: that was NOT a deepfake | Nov 08 22:52 |
| schestowitz | and you can get a mouse for a little extra | Nov 08 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Two cats shedding everywhere are tough on a vacuum. | Nov 08 22:52 |
| schestowitz | takes little power | Nov 08 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [17:06] <MinceR> (video) (audio:important) https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/no-biden-did-not-brag-about-committing-voter-fraud/2020/11/04/dadb8616-3718-45a1-baeb-7c2fa50c7aa7_video.html | Nov 08 22:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | No, Biden did not brag about committing voter fraud - The Washington Post | Nov 08 22:53 | |
| CrystalMath | i know he didn't | Nov 08 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | but it's not a deepfake | Nov 08 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | he just misspoke | Nov 08 22:53 |
| schestowitz | it's msileading | Nov 08 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | which is what i said | Nov 08 22:53 |
| schestowitz | maybe out-of-context crap | Nov 08 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | i knew he misspoke | Nov 08 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | yes | Nov 08 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | i mean come on he wouldn't admit voter fraud | Nov 08 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | i'm not stupid | Nov 08 22:53 |
| schestowitz | don't trust any url | Nov 08 22:53 |
| schestowitz | lots of manipulation out there | Nov 08 22:54 |
| CrystalMath | he's just a gaffe machine, and he says things wrong a lot | Nov 08 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Trump did NOT throw ESPIONAGE Act at Assange | Nov 08 22:54 |
| schestowitz | and ALSO hacking charges | Nov 08 22:54 |
| schestowitz | just to pardon him | Nov 08 22:54 |
| schestowitz | that's like kicking a dog to "save" the dog | Nov 08 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's so hard to believe that I was living in a hotel room the size of my dining room for a year and a half. | Nov 08 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This place almost seems too big now. | Nov 08 22:54 |
| schestowitz | maybe it is | Nov 08 22:54 |
| schestowitz | if you mostly use a PC | Nov 08 22:55 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i know some republicans suggested it may have been a Freudian slip | Nov 08 22:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's also about a third cheaper than the hotel room. | Nov 08 22:55 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: regarding Biden and voter fraud | Nov 08 22:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The hotel was strictly because they didn't ask any questions. | Nov 08 22:55 |
| CrystalMath | it will be known when voter fraud is proven or disproven | Nov 08 22:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Landlords were just sneering at us and then renting to someone else for a long time. | Nov 08 22:56 |
| CrystalMath | nevertheless, i just want to clear up that it was NOT a deepfake | Nov 08 22:57 |
| CrystalMath | there was no AI involved in the creation of the video | Nov 08 22:57 |
| CrystalMath | that was actual Joe Biden making a mistake | Nov 08 22:57 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kontron unveils RK3399K(Pro) SMARC 2.1 Module with up to 8GB RAM http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144086#comment-27090 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d2b95e50-0eb3-45db-b2ae-56f4bea568c5] | Nov 08 23:00 | |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: If you compare the clip that trump posted to the original they don't aline. I was seeing a recompression artifact. I was wrong on a deepfake but who ever made that chip was incompetent. | Nov 08 23:03 |
| oiaohm | There are ways of slicing segments out videos without recompressing them. | Nov 08 23:04 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/Z5Wkk8Y | Nov 08 23:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trump accidentally books a press conference in a landscaping company's parking lot - Album on Imgur | Nov 08 23:05 | |
| oiaohm | Yes modern ability to reference a particular point in another video on YouTube and the like would have been giving orgianal source credit and provided some protection against if you screwed up the cut. | Nov 08 23:07 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, there are suggestions that the recent Georgian election was Putined | Nov 08 23:11 |
| scientes | and while I do not question Putin's competence, that is short for saying "United Russia-ed" | Nov 08 23:11 |
| scientes | not knowing Georgian I am not qualified, but I am hearing that the exit polls do not match the offician numbers | Nov 08 23:11 |
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| scientes | and exit polling is a quite effective method (doesn't work with mail-in voting however) | Nov 08 23:12 |
| schestowitz | that explains what saw earlier, MinceR | Nov 08 23:12 |
| schestowitz | lacked the context | Nov 08 23:12 |
| scientes | but you guys don't even live in the US | Nov 08 23:12 |
| MinceR | we're all living in amerika | Nov 08 23:12 |
| scientes | not really | Nov 08 23:13 |
| scientes | USD $ | Nov 08 23:13 |
| scientes | that is about it | Nov 08 23:13 |
| MinceR | amerika ist wunderbar | Nov 08 23:13 |
| scientes | only the printing press keeps it in the news | Nov 08 23:13 |
| MinceR | and the military | Nov 08 23:13 |
| scientes | the military is incapable of anything | Nov 08 23:13 |
| MinceR | and the megacorporations | Nov 08 23:14 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: there is a catch of course if you are cutting a video based on the existing breakpoints to avoid recompression you cannot set you cut points exactly. Basically what I am looking for to call a video fake if there its either a deepfake or a 99% of the deceptively edited. | Nov 08 23:14 |
| scientes | the megacorporations are all underwater | Nov 08 23:14 |
| schestowitz | they get bailed out though | Nov 08 23:14 |
| schestowitz | the grandkids are paying | Nov 08 23:14 |
| scientes | and the electronics firms (except Intel) have lost control over their supply chains | Nov 08 23:14 |
| schestowitz | they were not even born yet | Nov 08 23:14 |
| MinceR | the military is one of the most powerful, the megacorporations have captured the state | Nov 08 23:14 |
| scientes | schestowitz, excuse me, but that is impossible | Nov 08 23:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: doesn't matter in nuclear era | Nov 08 23:15 |
| scientes | a loan is an abstraction | Nov 08 23:15 |
| scientes | it is not reality | Nov 08 23:15 |
| schestowitz | at least 3 nations have enough nuked to decimate the whole works | Nov 08 23:15 |
| schestowitz | *world | Nov 08 23:15 |
| scientes | that IS true | Nov 08 23:15 |
| schestowitz | enough nuclear warheads | Nov 08 23:15 |
| scientes | what is the third nation? | Nov 08 23:15 |
| schestowitz | China | Nov 08 23:15 |
| schestowitz | I think 5k-10k | Nov 08 23:15 |
| schestowitz | not sure how many megatons | Nov 08 23:15 |
| scientes | when did they stock-pile? | Nov 08 23:15 |
| schestowitz | but famine can do the rest | Nov 08 23:15 |
| oiaohm | China has enough todo the earth once. | Nov 08 23:16 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's like saying Moscow instead of Russia. It works :) | Nov 08 23:16 |
| scientes | and did China buy from Russia? | Nov 08 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Russia and USA have enough to do it a few times over. | Nov 08 23:16 |
| oiaohm | That each. | Nov 08 23:16 |
| schestowitz | famine will do the rest | Nov 08 23:16 |
| schestowitz | you hit few big cities | Nov 08 23:16 |
| schestowitz | with large populations | Nov 08 23:16 |
| schestowitz | and they cannot be fed anymore | Nov 08 23:16 |
| oiaohm | No aim at the right fault lines. | Nov 08 23:16 |
| schestowitz | the grids go down also | Nov 08 23:16 |
| oiaohm | And set off the volcaones. | Nov 08 23:16 |
| scientes | While this is true, the people don't care, because they know they have absolutely no say in anything | Nov 08 23:16 |
| scientes | and they are right | Nov 08 23:17 |
| oiaohm | So creating a volcane based winter. | Nov 08 23:17 |
| scientes | so I am only pretending to care | Nov 08 23:17 |
| oiaohm | You don't need many nukes todo that. | Nov 08 23:17 |
| scientes | while what I am talking about in Georgia is actually important to people | Nov 08 23:17 |
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| scientes | whether Georgia falls into Russia's feudalism or not | Nov 08 23:17 |
| oiaohm | Techically india has enough if targeted right and if they had long range delievery. | Nov 08 23:17 |
| scientes | which is what the big protests were about last year | Nov 08 23:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes its not aim at cities. | Nov 08 23:17 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I was gonna mention India | Nov 08 23:17 |
| scientes | and now I realize those protesters actually knew what was up | Nov 08 23:18 |
| schestowitz | India doesn't seem proactively aggressive | Nov 08 23:18 |
| schestowitz | unlike China, Russia, Trumpluend | Nov 08 23:18 |
| oiaohm | USA and Russia have enough each to scource everywhere. | Nov 08 23:18 |
| scientes | XRevan86, Vesti has a report about "coronavirus in Abkhazia" | Nov 08 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Kkkorna viruzz | Nov 08 23:18 |
| oiaohm | China and india amounts are more reasonable and to ruining the earth requires correct targeting. | Nov 08 23:18 |
| scientes | which is both a slur on foreigners AND a claim of the territory XRevan86 | Nov 08 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Chicken Korona | Nov 08 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not surprising | Nov 08 23:19 |
| scientes | they don't hesitate to be hypocritical as long as it fufills their insulting quota | Nov 08 23:19 |
| schestowitz | China can destroy the US by just not making ipHones | Nov 08 23:20 |
| scientes | and its the same self-congratulary annoying stuff that they don't bother to show on their foreign channels | Nov 08 23:20 |
| schestowitz | the young people will kill their grandparents | Nov 08 23:20 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfn6-29vP3U | Nov 08 23:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SPOILT BRAT SCREAMS AT HER GRANDPA OVER NEW IPHONE - YouTube | Nov 08 23:20 | |
| scientes | it makes my eyes roll | Nov 08 23:20 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons Anyone on this list with over 150 nukes if correctly placed can ruin the world once. | Nov 08 23:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of states with nuclear weapons - Wikipedia | Nov 08 23:20 | |
| scientes | US propoganda doesn't do that | Nov 08 23:21 |
| scientes | that said, it is kinda cool how they have nerdy stuff | Nov 08 23:21 |
| scientes | like archeology | Nov 08 23:21 |
| scientes | nukes are another topic that I have to pretend to care about | Nov 08 23:22 |
| oiaohm | China, India and France can do it once and the UK can almost do it. Russia and USA can do it at least 10 times over. | Nov 08 23:23 |
| scientes | it is very simple logic: if I care about it, that means it is already too late to be concerned | Nov 08 23:23 |
| oiaohm | Of course nuke weapons have to be built and replaced reguarly. | Nov 08 23:23 |
| scientes | oiaohm, by people other than me | Nov 08 23:23 |
| scientes | that I don't care about | Nov 08 23:23 |
| oiaohm | So Russia and the USA spend a fotune maintaining weapons that never get fired. | Nov 08 23:23 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: someone I know just requested a plaintext non-HTML version of the TR index btw. If you could provide the index in that form it would make parsing a lot easier | Nov 08 23:24 |
| schestowitz | US used floppy disks (the older generation of them) in nuclear systems | Nov 08 23:24 |
| oiaohm | Really it makes sense for a threat to have the means to nuke the earth once but any more why. | Nov 08 23:24 |
| schestowitz | last I checked, which was this year for my IBM articles, that only happened last year | Nov 08 23:24 |
| schestowitz | the replacement of those floppies | Nov 08 23:24 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: should be easy to do, hang on | Nov 08 23:25 |
| scientes | XRevan86, after what I hear about Saakashvili it would be a shame if Russia's feudal state manages to annex Georgia | Nov 08 23:25 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: space-separated, one list each object? | Nov 08 23:25 |
| vZS1 | Yeah. One CID per line. Space separated for description | Nov 08 23:26 |
| scientes | which is of course what they are also trying to do to Ukraine | Nov 08 23:26 |
| schestowitz | description or filename? | Nov 08 23:26 |
| vZS1 | Put it whatever. | Nov 08 23:26 |
| schestowitz | I will use php to serve it like pseudo html | Nov 08 23:26 |
| vZS1 | I think description is best | Nov 08 23:27 |
| vZS1 | "CID DESCRIPTION" | Nov 08 23:27 |
| schestowitz | th filenames are descriptions | Nov 08 23:27 |
| schestowitz | *the | Nov 08 23:27 |
| vZS1 | Ah | Nov 08 23:27 |
| schestowitz | self-explanatory really | Nov 08 23:27 |
| vZS1 | Yeah | Nov 08 23:27 |
| schestowitz | hang on | Nov 08 23:27 |
| schestowitz | should take a few mins | Nov 08 23:27 |
| vZS1 | Aite | Nov 08 23:30 |
| schestowitz | QmUPunFB6cdBsEz2Txg91jUaqpwsXYQ2o3zeenEmqfsFvk irc-log-071120 (full IRC log as HTML) | Nov 08 23:33 |
| schestowitz | QmQvqA6ysqejvSV4638gYTpxqJsyfQoCgUYzwsYFMa2e3P irc-log-social-071120 (full IRC log as HTML) | Nov 08 23:33 |
| schestowitz | QmahmH63tSR7MdY3XT1Vw9Er9KEXcKZ5yWQtBTAXEMckJ6 irc-log-techbytes-071120 (full IRC log as HTML) | Nov 08 23:33 |
| schestowitz | QmYhQLDadubMBJGVtdo8PmvpYLrmjVEfXrjbb7mHa2JPHu irc-log-techrights-071120 (full IRC log as HTML) | Nov 08 23:33 |
| schestowitz | QmerK5cUxT2GJqRGjfcA5SJAkdgp5hbsx5x2WbcQesxGZK techrights-2020-10-26 (daily bulletin) | Nov 08 23:33 |
| schestowitz | QmbuM4HcDHVAHur2fL3mkn1J15v3h6MVo1RTfS3kcU75Ux techrights-2020-10-27 (daily bulletin) | Nov 08 23:33 |
| schestowitz | like this? | Nov 08 23:33 |
| vZS1 | Yep | Nov 08 23:33 |
| schestowitz | OK, uploading now | Nov 08 23:33 |
| schestowitz | ~/ipfs/txt ? | Nov 08 23:34 |
| vZS1 | Yeah. Makes sense | Nov 08 23:34 |
| schestowitz | voila! http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt/ | Nov 08 23:36 |
| schestowitz | all scripted now | Nov 08 23:36 |
| scientes | In March 2015, Ukraine denied a Georgian request to extradite Saakashvili, as it deemed the criminal cases against him politically motivated.[90] | Nov 08 23:36 |
| scientes | geeze | Nov 08 23:36 |
| scientes | obv. | Nov 08 23:36 |
| vZS1 | Excellent | Nov 08 23:37 |
| schestowitz | later on I will add rsync to these | Nov 08 23:38 |
| schestowitz | first I want to do some manual runs | Nov 08 23:38 |
| schestowitz | while I still change some structural things | Nov 08 23:38 |
| schestowitz | tomorrow's format will be better | Nov 08 23:38 |
| schestowitz | hmmm... well, 20 mins from now | Nov 08 23:38 |
| schestowitz | will add this now | Nov 08 23:39 |
| vZS1 | Now we can pin stuff a lot easier | Nov 08 23:39 |
| vZS1 | Just keep the CID as the first field | Nov 08 23:39 |
| schestowitz | there are two scripts on your homedir | Nov 08 23:39 |
| vZS1 | So it doesn't break scripts downstream | Nov 08 23:40 |
| vZS1 | For peers | Nov 08 23:40 |
| vZS1 | And space as the field delimiter | Nov 08 23:40 |
| schestowitz | txt is text only | Nov 08 23:41 |
| schestowitz | index.html is the html | Nov 08 23:41 |
| schestowitz | in tmp I put the stuff for irc proceedings posts | Nov 08 23:42 |
| schestowitz | they tie the latest additions together | Nov 08 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All these people complaining about HTTP 2. | Nov 08 23:42 |
| schestowitz | and add them to the rss feed | Nov 08 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | HTTP 1 and 1.1 were a complete mess. | Nov 08 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mostly because of the server end though. | Nov 08 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And mostly Microsoft's of course. | Nov 08 23:42 |
| scientes | https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/08/arts/television/alex-trebek-dead.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage | Nov 08 23:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Alex Trebek, Longtime Host of ‘Jeopardy!,’ Dies at 80 - The New York Times | Nov 08 23:43 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Comcast is up to $14 a month for their modem rental now. | Nov 08 23:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Told them hard pass and I'd use my modem from 2013. | Nov 08 23:43 |
| scientes | what i hate most about reading the nytimes is that I have to turn off javascript | Nov 08 23:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now we know why their monthly fee sounds so good. | Nov 08 23:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They jacked the modem rental up from $3 to $14 over the last 10 year. | Nov 08 23:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you bring your own modem, that saves so much money now that it pays for itself in 9 months. | Nov 08 23:46 |
| scientes | hmm, they had an article about collapse https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/magazine/societal-collapse.html | Nov 08 23:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | How Do You Know When Society Is About to Fall Apart? - The New York Times | Nov 08 23:47 | |
| scientes | however it is the typical junk | Nov 08 23:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Save $450 on a Samsung Galaxy S20 5G." Yeah because the fucking MSRP is like almost iPhone bad now. | Nov 08 23:48 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: ok, done, now the upload is also streamlined | Nov 08 23:48 |
| schestowitz | will test new additions in 12 mins | Nov 08 23:48 |
| schestowitz | midnight | Nov 08 23:48 |
| scientes | all speculation, and no actuary information | Nov 08 23:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got the S20 FE 5G and it's a really good phone, for $400. | Nov 08 23:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's much faster than my S8+ and weighs probably 40-50% less. | Nov 08 23:48 |
| scientes | all ego, no thinking | Nov 08 23:49 |
| vZS1 | Good stuff. | Nov 08 23:49 |
| vZS1 | Now it's super easy to keep track of what pins are TR pins | Nov 08 23:50 |
| schestowitz | [23:43] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.nytimes.com | Alex Trebek, Longtime Host of ‘Jeopardy!,’ Dies at 80 - The New York Times | Nov 08 23:50 |
| schestowitz | so many puns are possible | Nov 08 23:50 |
| schestowitz | I'll have... nevermind | Nov 08 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Save $30 on Samsung Galaxy Buds. Was $169.99. A bit expensive for earbuds, isn't it? | Nov 08 23:51 |
| schestowitz | show your lifestyle | Nov 08 23:53 |
| schestowitz | with your earwax | Nov 08 23:53 |
| schestowitz | your 'friends' will be jealous | Nov 08 23:53 |
| schestowitz | "she/he can afford!!" | Nov 08 23:53 |
| vZS1 | Bedtime for me. Gn all | Nov 08 23:55 |
| scientes | vZS1, dulce sueños | Nov 08 23:55 |
| *scientes is not sure how writing that in Spanish makes it less gay | Nov 08 23:56 | |
| schestowitz | vZS1: gn | Nov 08 23:57 |
| schestowitz | seems like 'hacker' 'news' caused us some downtime | Nov 08 23:58 |
| schestowitz | overload on the server, along with reddit | Nov 08 23:58 |
| scientes | lol, Alex Trebek death is #7 there | Nov 08 23:58 |
| schestowitz | celeb status | Nov 08 23:59 |
| schestowitz | was it justified though? | Nov 08 23:59 |
| scientes | I avoid HN because of the incompetence tied with convinction of compentence | Nov 08 23:59 |
| MinceR | same | Nov 08 23:59 |
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