●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, November 08, 2022 ●● ● Nov 08 [00:16] *reptilian_thrills has quit (connection closed) [00:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [00:25] XRevan86 reptilian_thrills: https://youtu.be/kOzEZZDg3NI?t=749 [00:25] TR Bot NO TITLE [00:32] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/11/04/funny-bad-science-jokes-memes/ [00:32] TR Bot 30 Bad, Yet Funny Science Jokes For All The Nerds Out There [00:32] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@s9xek7hahrdji.irc) has joined #techrights [00:49] XRevan86 MinceR: 9's funny, 16's obsolete, 18's not nearly as dramatic as a lightbulb, 29's Prisoner's Dilemma, naughty. [00:55] MinceR i don't see how 16 is obsolete [00:55] MinceR lightbulb is old hat [00:58] *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@m2rp54qasukpn.irc) has joined #techrights [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Nov 08 [01:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [01:22] XRevan86 MinceR: Machine learning forces captcha to get even more complicated. [01:22] MinceR some stuff still gives me exactly that kind of captcha [01:27] *reptilian_thrills has quit (connection closed) [01:32] *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@nbnsvpfizihkw.irc) has joined #techrights [01:33] reptilian_thrills captchas are the webs way of telling you the web is a piece of shit [01:33] reptilian_thrills sort of like if youre trying to date a woman and shes wearing a button that says "i love male tears" [01:33] reptilian_thrills it doesnt matter if youre a lesbian, shes a dick [01:33] reptilian_thrills captchas are like that [01:34] reptilian_thrills theyre the red hair on a radical feminist of the internet [01:35] reptilian_thrills (dyed red, not ginger) [01:35] reptilian_thrills i went through trying to sign up for a blog recently [01:36] reptilian_thrills i tried wordpress, then i rememmbered word press just fails to load now [01:36] reptilian_thrills like you go to edit a page (after signing in) and its blank [01:36] reptilian_thrills so you restart the browser and only sometimes it works [01:36] reptilian_thrills what the fuck is that [01:36] reptilian_thrills 1. why would restarting the browser help [01:37] reptilian_thrills 2. why wouldnt it help reliably [01:37] reptilian_thrills wordpress is destroyed, trash, useless [01:37] reptilian_thrills but i tried to sign up a few places [01:37] reptilian_thrills most didnt work. why? the web is trash [01:37] reptilian_thrills thanks for destroying it, tim [01:37] reptilian_thrills good job [01:38] reptilian_thrills knighthoods should come in suppository form [01:38] reptilian_thrills the web has gone systemd [01:39] reptilian_thrills i like websites that work reliably [01:39] reptilian_thrills even tr, lol, i wont say what laughable problem it has [01:39] reptilian_thrills ariadne probably knows, its not a security issue, she wouldnt care [01:39] reptilian_thrills but its got issues too [01:40] reptilian_thrills if they bothered her or roy one of them would have it fixed [01:40] reptilian_thrills like i said, its not a security issue, its a usability issue [01:40] reptilian_thrills and its not the silly cert thing. i dont care about that more than roy does (not in this instance) [01:42] reptilian_thrills the web was cool in the 90s, so was the linux kernel [01:42] reptilian_thrills the linux kernel isnt modern [01:42] reptilian_thrills reliable kernels should be in a reliable museum [01:43] reptilian_thrills linus should be in an idiot douchebag museum [01:43] reptilian_thrills next to tim berners-lee [01:43] reptilian_thrills next to the guys that made the last several captchas [01:44] reptilian_thrills next to trump, just so you know which museum it is [01:44] reptilian_thrills im not saying biden is a significant improvement. if he was, he wouldnt have gotten elected [01:45] reptilian_thrills actually they already have an idiot douchebag museum, its called the senate [01:45] reptilian_thrills so just make timbl a senator along with linus [01:45] AdmFubar1 https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/11/07/twitter_recalls_staff/ [01:45] reptilian_thrills voila [01:45] TR Bot Twitter asks staff to come back after 'accidental' layoff The Register [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Nov 08 [02:01] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[03:04] IPFS New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. [03:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [03:25] *schestowitz[TR] back [03:25] schestowitz[TR] https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/11/07/twitter_recalls_staff/ [03:25] schestowitz[TR] voila [03:25] schestowitz[TR] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- www.theregister.com | Twitter asks staff to come back after 'accidental' layoff The Registe [03:25] schestowitz[TR] Andrew Lee!! [03:28] MinceR :> [03:33] TR News "The second-largest funder is the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which provides 9.8% of the WHO's funds" https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/11/08/social-control-media-censorship-and-who/ [03:33] TR Bot Blog Archive Social Control Media Censorship and WHO [03:34] *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@5qfh8ygvjx3sy.irc) has joined #techrights [03:35] TR News Coburg, Prince Alfred and Queen Victoria in more detail https://danielpocock.com/coburg-alfred-victoria/ Source: Daniel Pocock | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//danielpocock.com/coburg-alfred-victoria/ [03:35] TR Bot Coburg, Prince Alfred and Queen Victoria in more detail [03:35] TR News Listening devices inside the kitchen https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/amazon-echo-show-15-smart-display/ [03:35] TR Bot Save $80 on an Amazon Echo Show 15 Smart Display - Make Tech Easier [03:38] TR News Firewalld in Examples: A Complete Beginners Guide https://linuxiac.com/firewalld-in-examples/ Source: Linuxiac | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxiac.com/firewalld-in-examples/ [03:38] TR Bot Firewalld in Examples: A Complete Beginners Guide [03:39] TR News Microsoft boosters googlebomb 'Linux' again to promote proprietary spyware ("Teams") [03:43] TR News Social Control Media Censorship and WHO https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/11/08/social-control-media-censorship-and-who/ [03:44] TR News Today (Tuesday) we shall see how many deaths in the UK we have for the week and how those compare to pre-COVID levels. Each week it has been getting a lot worse lately. [03:46] TR News SUSE promoting proprietary SAP and clown computing (surveillance, rental rather than control) https://www.suse.com/c/say-goodbye-to-downtime-for-your-sap-landscape-on-aws/ [03:46] TR Bot Goodbye to Downtime for Your SAP Landscape on AWS | SUSE Communities [03:47] TR News Native Messaging Support Arrives in Stable Version of Firefox Snap - OMG! Ubuntu! https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/11/firefox-snap-native-messaging-take-two Source: OMG Ubuntu | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/11/firefox-snap-native-messaging-take-two [03:47] TR Bot Native Messaging Support Arrives in Stable Version of Firefox Snap - OMG! Ubuntu! [03:48] TR News Mozilla: "if you have any suggestions for improvements, please open an issue." POINTS TO PROPRIETARY MICROSOFT!!! Shame on Mozilla. Source: Mozilla | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.mozilla.org/performance/2022/11/07/understanding-performance-impact/ [03:48] MinceR they don't care about improvements anyway [03:49] MinceR they started down the way in the opposite direction long ago [03:49] TR News Mozilla uses to be competent enough to know something about Web autonomy. It used bugzilla and didn't outsource to proprietary Microsoft prisons. [03:49] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: years [03:50] TR News Strange Bedfellows: Why Advocates From Across the Spectrum Still Oppose the JCPA - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/strange-bedfellows-why-advocates-still-oppose-the-jcpa/ Source: Public Knowledge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//publicknowledge.org/strange-bedfellows-why-advocates-still-oppose-the-jcpa/ [03:50] TR Bot Strange Bedfellows: Why Advocates From Across the Spectrum Still Oppose the JCPA - Public Knowledge [03:52] TR News "The twenty-third edition will take place Saturday 4th and Sunday 5th February 2023 in Brussels, Belgium." http://www.laura.community/2022/11/07/fosdem-2023-in-person-community-devroom-call-for-participation/ [03:52] TR Bot FOSDEM 2023 In Person Community DevRoom Call for Participation! | Laura's Blog [03:53] TR News Michael Larabel once again shilling Clear Linux, which nobody uses. The only sites covering Clear Linux are PAID BY INTEL. [03:58] TR News (NEW): The First Official Ubuntu Unity Flavor Release http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/The_First_Official_Ubuntu_Unity_Flavor_Release.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/The_First_Official_Ubuntu_Unity_Flavor_Release.gmi [03:58] TR Bot Tux Machines The First Official Ubuntu Unity Flavor Release [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Nov 08 [04:03] TR News LibreOffice Conference 2022: Impressions from an attendee (and speaker!) https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/11/07/libreoffice-conference-2022-impressions-from-an-attendee-and-speaker/ [04:03] TR Bot LibreOffice Conference 2022: Impressions from an attendee (and speaker!) - The Document Foundation Blog [04:03] TR News (NEW): Crosswords 0.3.6: 'The Man from G.N.O.M.E' http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Crosswords_0_3_6_The_Man_from_G_N_O_M_E.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Crosswords_0_3_6_The_Man_from_G_N_O_M_E.gmi [04:04] TR Bot Tux Machines Crosswords 0.3.6: 'The Man from G.N.O.M.E' [04:04] TR News Car Free Lifestyle gemini://gemini.cyberbot.space/gemlog/2022-11-07-carfree.gmi [04:05] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D406.jpg [04:05] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D748.jpg [04:06] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, November 07, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:06] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [04:06] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:06] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:07] TR News Star Log 2022-11-05 Evening (Fairbanks, AK, US) gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20221107-0.gmi [04:07] reptilian_thrills /me shows mincer a future that sucks less that still has humans in it [04:07] reptilian_thrills granted its like 200 years from now [04:08] reptilian_thrills /me hopes it doesnt take that long [04:08] TR News "On Twitter, an ex-Twitter engineer called Steve Krenzel talk about his job and we can infer that its not different from Google/Facebook/Microsoft." gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-11-07-software-engineers-responsibility.gmi [04:08] TR News Run gemini://tilde.team/~aprilnightk/gemlog/2022/11/07-run.gmi [04:09] reptilian_thrills it doesnt bother me when people hope for a better future. youre supposed to do that [04:09] reptilian_thrills what gets me is when people pretend things dont suck now [04:09] reptilian_thrills like, how? [04:09] TR News Enjoying Hummel gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-11-07_Enjoying_Hummel.gmi [04:09] reptilian_thrills its not going to get better if everyone pretends everythings fine [04:10] reptilian_thrills i mean theyre siding with kanye on reality. how can that be a winning move [04:10] TR News Music recommendations (and how I generated them) gemini://rulmer.xyz/songmem.gmi [04:10] reptilian_thrills people who think everythings fine should have to wear those crazy $600 shoes [04:11] reptilian_thrills /me would wear the cheap knockoffs though [04:11] TR News "As software engineers, we have a huge moral responsibility. We are not only implementing it, we are ourselves using those tools and letting our family and children using them." gemini://ploum.be/2022-11-07-software-engineers-responsibility.gmi [04:11] reptilian_thrills partly because they piss kanye off [04:11] reptilian_thrills also because i think its hilarious that he made $600 crocs basically [04:12] reptilian_thrills "we need to put crocs and jordans in the fly chamber and see what happens" [04:12] TR News Persistence of Memory gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-11-07.memory.gmi [04:12] reptilian_thrills *50 million dollars later* holy shit what [04:12] reptilian_thrills dont blame me i was high as fuck [04:12] reptilian_thrills elon: "i like them" [04:13] reptilian_thrills "we need to put crocs and jordans in the fly chamber and see what happens" <- this also explains the tech industry in a way [04:13] schestowitz[TR] I don't quite follow the latest, but [04:13] schestowitz[TR] seems we have a deja vu: [04:13] schestowitz[TR] musk: i want to buy twitter [04:13] schestowitz[TR] i don't want to buy twitter [04:13] schestowitz[TR] they are suing me [04:13] reptilian_thrills maybe there are two musks [04:13] reptilian_thrills like in fight club [04:13] schestowitz[TR] I might get subpoenaed [04:13] reptilian_thrills and one is tyler durden [04:14] schestowitz[TR] f*ck it, I will need to buy this boyt farm after all [04:14] schestowitz[TR] musk: i will sakc 75% fo staff [04:14] schestowitz[TR] staff sues [04:14] schestowitz[TR] ok, f*ck it, come back people [04:14] schestowitz[TR] I "accidentally" fired you [04:14] reptilian_thrills i think there are two elon musks [04:14] reptilian_thrills and other one is trying to kill him [04:14] schestowitz[TR] either way, it's killing the company [04:14] schestowitz[TR] and it kills him financial stake's worth [04:14] reptilian_thrills you make it sound like a bad thing [04:15] schestowitz[TR] he bought himmself a bot farm [04:15] reptilian_thrills clerks covered this... in clerks [04:15] schestowitz[TR] 13 BILLION in company debt [04:15] schestowitz[TR] and staff he says he does not need and yet MUST pay [04:15] schestowitz[TR] so the price was wrong [04:15] reptilian_thrills boyt farm is going to be the next boy band, but instead of autotune its 100% hey hi [04:15] schestowitz[TR] and the products was a botfarm [04:15] reptilian_thrills no human vocals at all [04:15] reptilian_thrills just vocoders [04:15] schestowitz[TR] HEY HI like "Tay" [04:16] schestowitz[TR] from Microsoft [04:16] schestowitz[TR] the "racist" HEY HI [04:16] schestowitz[TR] clippy on twitter [04:16] reptilian_thrills racist because they gave it nothing but ibm memos from the 1930s [04:17] TR News Linux Foundation has been very very very very quiet lately. Weird. [04:17] reptilian_thrills "hey it looks like youre a welfare queen trying to get pregnant so you can apply for more money, can i help?" [04:17] reptilian_thrills goddamnit tay, there are enough of you on faux news [04:17] TR News Mashing Up CXL And OpenCAPI For Shared Disaggregated Memory https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/11/07/mashing-up-cxl-and-opencapi-for-shared-disaggregated-memory/ Source: The Next Platform | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.nextplatform.com/2022/11/07/mashing-up-cxl-and-opencapi-for-shared-disaggregated-memory/ [04:17] TR Bot Mashing Up CXL And OpenCAPI For Shared Disaggregated Memory [04:18] reptilian_thrills clerks covered this... in clerks <- basically if youre at twitter or facebook [04:18] reptilian_thrills youre working on the death star [04:18] TR News "ransomware incident" = probably Microsoft Windows https://thehackernews.com/2022/11/medibank-refuses-to-pay-ransom-after-97.html [04:18] TR Bot Medibank Refuses to Pay Ransom After 9.7 Million Customers Exposed in Ransomware Hack [04:18] reptilian_thrills if the rebels, yknow... too bad [04:19] reptilian_thrills if musk buys the death star and it collapses out of some kind of death star suicide [04:19] reptilian_thrills thats like too bad [04:19] reptilian_thrills granted, im totally in favour of programs that help people who are leaving twitter in droves [04:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [04:20] reptilian_thrills but im not in favour of propping up twitter because if feel bad for the people there [04:20] reptilian_thrills i dont [04:20] TR News "The operator of a ransomware blog, which was formerly used by the REvil gang, claims that data from Australia's Medibank Group will be posted on the dark web in 24 hours." https://itwire.com/security/ransomware-group-threatens-to-post-medibank-data-on-dark-web.html [04:20] TR Bot - Ransomware group threatens to post Medibank data on dark web [04:22] TR News "Data leaks are extremely prominent in the cyber world due to lack of proper or adequate security implementation. Securing databases is an essential practice to ensure that consequences such as data loss to even unauthorized access or system downtime is avoided." https://linuxsecurity.com/features/linux-database-security-tips [04:22] TR Bot Database Security Tips | LinuxSecurity.com [04:22] schestowitz[TR] reptilian_thrills: musk is dying [04:22] schestowitz[TR] I saw him before the hair plugs [04:22] schestowitz[TR] he's a death STAR [04:24] schestowitz[TR] https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-r5ULxo4WD0 [04:24] TR Bot [MV] Apink() _ Cause you're my star( ) - Invidious [04:24] reptilian_thrills reptilian_thrills: musk is dying <- you realise this meme is intended to mock you though [04:24] TR News No more updates for nodejs14, below in Leap 15.4 - openSUSE News https://news.opensuse.org/2022/11/07/nodejs14-eol-leap/ Source: Yahoo News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//news.opensuse.org/2022/11/07/nodejs14-eol-leap/ [04:24] TR Bot No more updates for nodejs14, below in Leap 15.4 - openSUSE News [04:25] reptilian_thrills i mean its a pretty laughable bias [04:25] schestowitz[TR] everyone is dying [04:25] reptilian_thrills "things i hate are dying, things i like are going to be fine no matter how long theyve been dying" [04:25] schestowitz[TR] just depends how quickly [04:25] reptilian_thrills perhaps [04:25] reptilian_thrills maybe everything is immortal and respawns in a parallel dimension [04:25] reptilian_thrills we dont really know [04:26] reptilian_thrills from the perspective of this corner of the cosmos youre probably right. maybe. [04:26] reptilian_thrills maybe everything is immortal and respawns in a parallel dimension <- hopefully not github and twitter [04:26] reptilian_thrills id really like those to stay dead [04:27] schestowitz[TR] "It's dead, Jim" < that's what she said [04:28] schestowitz[TR] "Alexa, order my husband more viagra" [04:33] TR News Usama Jawad the latest Microsoft booster to googlebomb "Linux" to promote malware of Microsoft. Also uses a banner that says Microsoft LOVES... what it is ATTACKING [04:35] TR News Debian messing about with its site's 'blog' tonight, but it's not clear what they changed, only that things changed. Needs some further probing. [04:35] TR News US makes biggest bitcoin seizure from man who stole from Silk Road https://itwire.com/security/us-makes-biggest-bitcoin-seizure-from-man-who-stole-from-silk-road.html [04:35] TR Bot - US makes biggest bitcoin seizure from man who stole from Silk Road [04:36] TR News "5G" hype/bullshit/spam https://itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/auckland-university-business-school-opens-5g-powered-tech-hub.html [04:36] TR Bot - Auckland University Business School opens 5G-powered tech hub [04:36] TR News Obligatory marketing spam will ruin what's left of itwire [04:38] TR News (NEW): GStreamer 1.21.2 unstable development release http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/GStreamer_1_21_2_unstable_development_release.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/GStreamer_1_21_2_unstable_development_release.gmi [04:38] TR Bot Tux Machines GStreamer 1.21.2 unstable development release [04:38] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_howtos.gmi [04:38] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [04:39] TR News "T-Head Semiconductor mentioned that the XuanTie C908 is offered in two architectures: RV32GCB[V] (32-bit) and RV64GCB[V] (64-bit). Moreover, the C908s performance vs cost is in between the C910 and the C906 processors. The company expects the C908 to target image and video processing applications." https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-news-from-t-head-semiconductor-and-sifive/ [04:39] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-news-from-t-head-semiconductor-and-sifive/ ) [04:46] psydruid "Also, its dynamic power consumption was estimated to be 52.8 mW/GHz per core." [04:47] psydruid this is very low, so ideal for a desktop or laptop [04:48] schestowitz[TR] so it won't run on AAA batteries ;-) [04:49] TR News (NEW): Security and Breaches http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Security_and_Breaches.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Security_and_Breaches.gmi [04:49] TR Bot Tux Machines Security and Breaches [04:49] TR News (NEW): Events: LibreOffice Conference 2022 and FOSDEM 2023 In Person http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Events_LibreOffice_Conference_2022_and_FOSDEM_2023_In_Person.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Events_LibreOffice_Conference_2022_and_FOSDEM_2023_In_Person.gmi [04:49] TR Bot Tux Machines Events: LibreOffice Conference 2022 and FOSDEM 2023 In Person [04:51] TR News (NEW): Understanding Performance Impact in Firefox and Native Messaging Support http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Understanding_Performance_Impact_in_Firefox_and_Native_Messagin.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Understanding_Performance_Impact_in_Firefox_and_Native_Messagin.gmi [04:51] TR Bot Tux Machines Understanding Performance Impact in Firefox and Native Messaging Support [04:52] TR News (NEW): Best Cryptocurrency Wallets for Ubuntu and Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Best_Cryptocurrency_Wallets_for_Ubuntu_and_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Best_Cryptocurrency_Wallets_for_Ubuntu_and_Linux.gmi [04:52] TR Bot Tux Machines Best Cryptocurrency Wallets for Ubuntu and Linux [04:56] reptilian_thrills so it won't run on AAA batteries <- how many [04:56] reptilian_thrills you can connect aaa in both parallel and serial [04:57] schestowitz[TR] some old portable TVs used batteries [04:57] schestowitz[TR] but much bigger ones [04:57] reptilian_thrills parallel increases amperage and serial increases voltage [04:57] schestowitz[TR] and bulky, in bulk [04:57] reptilian_thrills a 9v battery like the one that is low enough to constantly beep in your videos actually has 6 1.5 v cells inside it [04:58] reptilian_thrills 1.5 * 6 = 9 (1.5v is the typical voltage of the most conventional battery cells) [04:58] reptilian_thrills (not including li-ion since i dont know a fuck of a lot about rechargeables) [04:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Nov 08 [05:02] TR News tuesday ONS numbers for England and Wales expected to show 20% increase in deaths while media intentionally keeps quiet about it [05:03] TR News Social control media SUSPENDS people for stating OBVIOUS FACTS about COVID-19 (if those facts are not convenient) http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/ [05:03] TR Bot Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights [05:03] TR News (NEW): Gemini Articles of Interest http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Gemini_Articles_of_Interest.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Gemini_Articles_of_Interest.gmi [05:03] TR Bot Tux Machines Gemini Articles of Interest [05:04] *reptilian_thrills has quit (connection closed) [05:13] TR News Links 08/11/2022: New Zenwalk Current ISO and Krita 5.1.3 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/08/krita-5-1-3/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/08/krita-5-1-3/ [05:13] TR Bot Links 08/11/2022: New Zenwalk Current ISO and Krita 5.1.3 | Techrights [05:13] *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@sdr787t2gs2be.irc) has joined #techrights [05:14] TR News (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Programming_Leftovers.gmi [05:14] TR Bot Tux Machines Programming Leftovers [05:14] TR News (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_leftovers.gmi [05:14] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [05:15] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Disney complained to Reddit and got the DISCUSSION of a fan edit of The Rise of Skywalker removed. [05:16] DaemonFC https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/ju4wol/the_rise_of_skywalker_ascendant_now_finished/ [05:16] TR Bot The Rise Of Skywalker: Ascendant - NOW FINISHED : fanedits [05:16] schestowitz[TR] this is what reddit is for [05:16] DaemonFC "Sorry, this post was removed by Reddit's Legal Operations team. [05:16] DaemonFC This content was removed in response to a copyright claim by a third party." [05:16] schestowitz[TR] it's all about the censorship [05:16] schestowitz[TR] "Reddit's Legal Operations" [05:16] schestowitz[TR] caps [05:16] schestowitz[TR] like it's LegalOps [05:16] DaemonFC There weren't any links to the torrents, so what infringed? [05:16] schestowitz[TR] like a real job [05:16] DaemonFC The discussion that there's one out there somewhere? [05:17] mjg59_ It's all about adhering to the DMCA, which requires you to remove content [05:17] DaemonFC It doesn't infringe for me to tell you there's a fan edit called The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant [05:17] mjg59_ You're correct [05:17] reptilian_thrills /me wonders what got dmcad this time [05:18] DaemonFC Or that there's a torrent out there. [05:18] mjg59_ But fun fact! Making use of the DMCA safe harbor protection laws means you don't get to make that call [05:18] mjg59_ You have to take down on request, and restore if the original poster files a counterclaim [05:18] mjg59_ If you don't, you lose the safe harbor protections [05:18] mjg59_ It'd bad law [05:18] reptilian_thrills clinton-era [05:18] DaemonFC It seems like what actually happened is Reddit removes something and then says "It's our site, so you can't make a counter-claim.". [05:19] reptilian_thrills clinton dynasty LOVES disney [05:19] mjg59_ It's a combination of things [05:19] reptilian_thrills i thought bush was at fault originally [05:19] mjg59_ Yes, it's Clinton-era law, and it turns out a lot of bad law passed then [05:19] reptilian_thrills but its actually from before bush [05:19] mjg59_ But it's actually a legacy of WIPO negotiations [05:19] TR News "Mastodon usage explodes in the wake of Musk ruining Twitter, HEY HI training fair use is about to be legally tested, Signal tries to be Snapchat, KDE Korner, and more." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-202/ [05:19] DaemonFC Clinton was a shyster and a Bubba. [05:19] TR Bot Late Night Linux Episode 202 Late Night Linux [05:19] mjg59_ So basically everyone had to implement something equivalent, otherwise they might end up with WIPO sanctions [05:19] reptilian_thrills "i took the initiative, of hobbling the freedom of the internet"-- al gore [05:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [05:20] DaemonFC Liked sticking his cigars in women and flying around with Epstein to do who knows what with little girls. [05:20] DaemonFC Like Bill Gates did. [05:20] schestowitz[TR] wipo is corruption, should be abolished [05:20] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/wiki/WIPO [05:20] TR Bot WIPO - Techrights [05:20] reptilian_thrills it's actually a legacy of WIPO negotiations <- as was software becoming copyrightable in 1980 (legislated in 1976 law but didnt go into effect until 4 years later) [05:20] schestowitz[TR] and heads of it, like gurry, prosecuted [05:20] reptilian_thrills also in 1976: copyright becomes the default (blame wipo) [05:20] schestowitz[TR] it's also staining the un [05:20] schestowitz[TR] much like WHO [05:20] schestowitz[TR] UN itself will perish [05:20] DaemonFC I'm not actually sure why a lot of rich men are pedos except maybe to openly flaunt that they'll break any laws they want, including those laws. [05:20] schestowitz[TR] if it persists with these corporate associations [05:20] reptilian_thrills /me thinks roy is just making fun of himself now [05:20] schestowitz[TR] same for EU with UPC, EPO.. [05:21] reptilian_thrills united nations is dying [05:21] schestowitz[TR] yeah ;-) [05:21] reptilian_thrills but this is what you actually do [05:21] DaemonFC Anyway, DMCA talk reminds me that I need to renew my VPN. [05:21] DaemonFC Which throws those in the trash. [05:21] reptilian_thrills you take everything you think is bad (it very often is) and you say its dying, losing money etc [05:21] DaemonFC (Where they belong.) [05:21] reptilian_thrills then you take everything you like (even if its suffering REALLY badly) and you say ITLL BE FINE [05:21] reptilian_thrills theyre recovering [05:21] mjg59_ Roy still hasn't explained why he works for a company that took money from the MoD [05:21] schestowitz[TR] reptilian_thrills: I was right about twitter dying, fb dying.. [05:21] reptilian_thrills doing everytyhing they can (when theyre not) etc [05:22] reptilian_thrills I was right about twitter dying, fb dying <- yes they dont exist anymore [05:22] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: before I was there [05:22] schestowitz[TR] many clients are historic [05:22] reptilian_thrills you said twitter would die and i said it would get purchased as a vanity project by some douchebag [05:22] schestowitz[TR] company formed 1998 [05:22] schestowitz[TR] I was 16 [05:22] reptilian_thrills im too amuse to care who won that one [05:22] reptilian_thrills amused [05:22] mjg59_ Pretty sure IBM's involvement with the Nazi regime predates anyone who still works there [05:23] schestowitz[TR] I didn't say you worked with nazis [05:23] schestowitz[TR] only that you had worked with red hat [05:23] schestowitz[TR] and red hat is now screwed [05:23] mjg59_ No, but you keep bringing up IBM's involvement with the naxis [05:23] schestowitz[TR] and staff is fleeing [05:23] schestowitz[TR] some to spare themselves [05:23] reptilian_thrills nazi germany is dying [05:23] mjg59_ So it seems fair to bring up Sirius's involvement with the MoD [05:23] reptilian_thrills (i wish it would stay dead though) [05:23] schestowitz[TR] it never died [05:23] reptilian_thrills we can do more trials! [05:24] schestowitz[TR] the mindset is till there [05:24] reptilian_thrills it never died <- i kno [05:24] schestowitz[TR] *still [05:24] reptilian_thrills im a big fan of the nuremberg trials. i used to be related to someone who interrogated (original) nazis [05:25] TR News "Not much has happened other than planning a trip and playing Guild Wars 2. My ex-employer still owes me $65.44 for mileage, and I am just petty enough to hound them over it. I'll give it a little more time (i.e. until about Thursday) and then get after them for it." gemini://eph.smol.pub/1667852164 [05:26] schestowitz[TR] reptilian_thrills: NASA? [05:26] DaemonFC Pretty sure IBM's involvement with the Nazi regime predates anyone who still works there [05:27] DaemonFC You'd be wrong actually. [05:27] *swaggboi has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [05:27] reptilian_thrills this wasnt cancel culture for wearing the wrong kind of hair, this was investigating actual war crimes to find out whether someone needed to be killed for their part in the reich [05:27] reptilian_thrills NASA? <- obviously everyony (afaik) that went through project paperclip "escaped" justice [05:27] DaemonFC It turns out that Fallout: New Vegas was just a cover story so that people would say that you were a conspiracy theorist if you said there was a guy on a life support machine that's over 150 years old in IBM's basement. [05:27] DaemonFC Ripping off a video game. [05:28] reptilian_thrills i have mixed feelings about that, but i do call it the nazi aeronautics and space administration [05:28] schestowitz[TR] reptilian_thrills: the nazi schmazis [05:28] reptilian_thrills which cant be fair to everyone there [05:28] reptilian_thrills i dont consider buzz aldrin a nazi [05:28] reptilian_thrills but i have a pretty negative view of some of the decisions nasa made [05:29] DaemonFC The US never had to cover up the fact that it scooped up Nazis right out of the SS and put them to work in the US government. [05:29] reptilian_thrills maybe they did the right thing. im not sure how, but it might take more imagination than i have [05:29] schestowitz[TR] oh, Aldrin is still alive [05:29] DaemonFC It just doesn't teach that (along with many other things) to school kids. [05:29] DaemonFC Teaches them about "trans history" or some shit. [05:29] reptilian_thrills and hes an okay guy imo [05:29] reptilian_thrills even if hes a republican [05:29] reptilian_thrills i wouldnt vote for a republican, but i dont hate all of them [05:29] schestowitz[TR] [05:29] schestowitz[TR] Gemini was 1960s [05:29] DaemonFC I already voted for Darren Bailey for Governor of Illinois. [05:29] reptilian_thrills apollo 11 was also 1960s [05:30] reptilian_thrills just made it [05:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [05:30] DaemonFC I strongly disagree with his politics, but I also think he'll end whatever parts of the COVID "emergency order" are still out there. [05:30] reptilian_thrills i wanna say july 69 [05:30] DaemonFC Where Pritzker claims his "unlimited power" comes from. [05:30] reptilian_thrills idk if it was july [05:30] DaemonFC I also voted for a Republican for the vacancy coming up on the Illinois Supreme Court. [05:30] reptilian_thrills https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11 [05:30] TR Bot Apollo 11 - Wikipedia [05:31] DaemonFC Mostly because I expect them to strike down the FOID Act shortly after. [05:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [05:31] DaemonFC The FOID Act is not only an affront to our constitutional rights, it's also not working. [05:31] TR News Form and File: estimating running form in R - quantixed https://quantixed.org/2022/11/05/form-and-file-estimating-running-form-in-r/ Source: R | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//quantixed.org/2022/11/05/form-and-file-estimating-running-form-in-r/ [05:31] DaemonFC Illinois, actually pretty much just Chicago, is the most violent place in America. [05:31] TR Bot Form and File: estimating running form in R quantixed [05:32] DaemonFC Despite the FOID Act. [05:32] DaemonFC Because they don't buy their guns from the FOID retailers. They get them out of a car trunk or a 3d printer, and then the police arrest good guys and charge them with crimes instead. [05:32] TR News Map any region in the world with R - Part II: Obtaining the coordinates https://blog.rwhitedwarf.com/post/map_any_region_with_ggplot2_part_ii/ Source: R with White Dwarf | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.rwhitedwarf.com/post/map_any_region_with_ggplot2_part_ii/ [05:32] TR Bot Map any region in the world with R - Part II: Obtaining the coordinates | R with White Dwarf [05:33] DaemonFC Only a complete fucking idiot would think that amending the FOID Act to check your social media page will work when the people who have the guns who shouldn't have them are already in violation of the FOID Act. [05:33] TR News Greenwashing and securitywashing mass surveillance https://staceyoniot.com/smart-cities-should-focus-on-sustainability-not-safety/ [05:33] TR Bot Smart cities should focus on sustainability not safety - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis [05:34] DaemonFC I would absolutely sue over the FOID Act, except that a court may dismiss it for lack of standing. [05:34] DaemonFC There are people filing lawsuits over it that have more standing than "I don't like that it took the police 180 days to give me one.". [05:35] reptilian_thrills i wanna say july 69 <- july 16 [05:35] DaemonFC There's people in "technical" non-compliance with it who face criminal charges. Jail time, even. [05:35] TR News Use data from Openstreetmap http://r.iresmi.net/2022/11/05/import-streets-from-openstreetmap/ [05:35] TR Bot data from Openstreetmap r.iresmi.net [05:35] DaemonFC And they're already suing in the Forever Lawsuit. [05:35] DaemonFC Because the Democrats on the Supreme Court know what the correct outcome is and keep finding ways to send it back to the trial court so they can delay. [05:35] reptilian_thrills thats probably the date of the launch, not the landing [05:36] reptilian_thrills landing was maybe the 24th [05:36] TR News Researchers Show How Network Pruning Can Skew Deep Learning Models | NC State News https://news.ncsu.edu/2022/11/network-pruning-skews-deep-learning/ Source: NC State | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//news.ncsu.edu/2022/11/network-pruning-skews-deep-learning/ [05:36] TR Bot Researchers Show How Network Pruning Can Skew Deep Learning Models | NC State News [05:36] DaemonFC Amazingly, the Illinois State Rifle Association is sponsoring a black woman who got charged with the FOID Act for defending her home. [05:36] TR News Planet killer asteroids nearly a mile long detected after being hidden by the sun's brightness usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/11/01/planet-killer-asteroids-near-earth/10657903002/ Source: Yarmo Machenbach | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/11/01/planet-killer-asteroids-near-earth/10657903002/ [05:37] DaemonFC The judge ruled that since she technically would have qualified for a card and the reason she was convicted of a Class A Misdemeanor was that she didn't pay $10 to exercise a constitutional right, that the law is unconstitutional as it applies to people in her situation. [05:38] DaemonFC This sort of reminds me of that time Indiana got the original Voter ID law struck down as an illegal poll tax because they didn't give you a State ID for free, and one was required to vote. [05:38] DaemonFC So you can tell them you need it to vote and they have to give it to you for free now. They won't tell you that. [05:39] psydruid corporations such as IBM are people too [05:39] psydruid Nazi people actually [05:39] schestowitz[TR] people are corporations, my MinceR [05:40] TR News 2000: ipv6 is the future. 2022: https://www.tecmint.com/disable-ipv6-rhel-rocky-almalinux/ [05:40] TR Bot How to Disable or Enable IPv6 in RHEL, Rocky & AlmaLinux [05:41] TR News speedysense has just posted WEBSPAM (check links!). Sites that USED to cover GNU/Linux literally turn into SPAMFARMS https://speedysense.com/tips-for-web-designers/ [05:41] TR Bot Top 7 Tips and Lesson Need to Know for Every Web Designers [05:46] TR News Gammath SPOT version 8.1 (beta) released on 7 November 2022 https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Gammath_SPOT https://pypi.org/project/gammath-spot/ [05:46] TR Bot Gammath SPOT - Free Software Directory [05:46] TR Bot gammath-spot PyPI [05:47] TR News Why is this back-doored Windows garbage covered in a 'Linux' site? It keeps happening, sometimes for purely financial reasons (the Windows pushers paying for these 'plugs') https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/11/08/t8-pro-celeron-n5095-mini-pc-offers-triple-hdmi-output-dual-gigabit-ethernet/ [05:47] TR Bot T8-Pro Celeron N5095 mini PC offers triple HDMI output, dual Gigabit Ethernet - CNX Software [05:50] TR News Everyone should quit twitter immediately https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/your-account-is-permanently-suspended/ [05:50] TR Bot Your account is permanently suspended - Manuel Matuzovi [05:51] TR News One of the worst aspects of being "on" Twitter is that those who CROSS-post there begin to SELF-censor in OTHER platforms too, based on the MASTERS of Twitter, which include Bill Gates [05:52] TR News (NEW): Apt++? 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[05:53] TR News "Superannuation lurks and perks are now so large they are nearing the entire cost of Australias aged pension, and Budget 2022 adds just a little bonus to the suite of Baby Boomer bonuses." https://michaelwest.com.au/boomer-bonus-downsizer-the-only-budget-item-of-superannuation-substance/ [05:53] TR Bot Boomer Bonus: "Downsizer" the only Budget item of superannuation substance - Michael West [05:54] reptilian_thrills not a problem ive ever had and the solution looks risky but this is cool https://yewtu.be/watch?v=N0dH4c4t5Tw [05:54] TR Bot How to Remove Dead Bugs Inside Your Computer Monitor (Without Taking Screen Apart) - Invidious [05:54] TR News Emoji for U.S. presidents https://blog.plover.com/2022/10/31#presidential-emoji [05:54] TR Bot The Universe of Discourse : Emoji for U.S. presidents [05:57] TR News John Gruber is helping Apple LIE. Demand for Apple crap has fallen sales have plunged. Let's blame "COVID"... https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/11/07/iphone-14-covid [05:57] TR Bot Daring Fireball: Chinese COVID-19 Restrictions Now Affecting Shipments of iPhones 14 Pro and Pro Max [05:58] TR News "The Gates Foundation invited me to speak at their annual #Goalkeepers2030 event and I could only show up in that space if I challenged it." They try to bribe EVERYONE. https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/11/06/billionaires-shouldnt-exist/ [05:58] TR Bot Billionaires shouldnt exist neritam [05:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Nov 08 [06:00] TR News "A convincing book which I found to be a bit irritating." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/11/book-review-the-language-hoax-john-h-mcwhorter/ [06:00] TR Bot Book Review: The Language Hoax John H. McWhorter Terence Edens Blog [06:02] TR News "This year I once again participated to Inktober, the yearly challenge where you draw one drawing a day each day of October. The Inktober web site provides a "prompt list": a list of words for each day, which you can (but are not forced to) follow." https://agateau.com/ [06:02] TR Bot agateau.com [06:03] TR News "Ladybird web browser now can run Linux in a PC emulator in Javascript" https://lunduke.substack.com/p/lundukes-weird-computing-news-nov [06:03] TR Bot Lunduke's Weird Computing News - Nov 6, 2022 [06:08] TR News "If the distribution's installer picks a separate /boot filesystem, it should get things like the size and the filesystem type correct (ie, big enough for the distribution's future needs, and of a type that the distribution will make sure its bootloaders always support)." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SeparateBootMostlyNot [06:08] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/SeparateBootMostlyNot [06:09] TR News "Looked at numerically, a lot of our 18.04 machines were in our SLURM cluster" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/Ubuntu1804UpgradeWaveFine [06:09] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/Ubuntu1804UpgradeWaveFine [06:11] TR News Boston-based quantum computer https://www.reuters.com/technology/boston-based-quantum-computer-quera-joins-amazons-cloud-public-access-2022-11-01/ [06:11] TR Bot quantum computer QuEra joins Amazon's cloud for public access | Reuters [06:12] TR News CISA is STILL using "Log4j" for FUD https://eponymouspickle.blogspot.com/2022/11/supply-chain-securement.html [06:12] TR Bot The Eponymous Pickle: Supply Chain Securement [06:13] TR News Lack of response -> more spread -> more SALES to make https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/20/us/politics/covid-data-outbreaks.html [06:13] TR Bot Lack of Data Still Blunts U.S. Response to Outbreaks - The New York Times [06:14] TR News Pamela Samuelson https://cacm.acm.org/opinion/articles/265813-an-emergent-legal-right-to-repair-electronic-devices/abstract [06:14] TR Bot An Emergent Legal Right to Repair Electronic Devices | Opinion | Communications of the ACM [06:14] TR News "Eight days into Musks ownership of Twitter, many pundits have begun to predict that this is the beginning of the end. No one can quite imagine a world without Twitter, but no one can quite imagine this version of Twitter surviving, either." https://www.platformer.news/p/twitter-cut-in-half [06:15] TR Bot Twitter, cut in half - by Casey Newton and Zo Schiffer [06:15] TR News "But if he just brings them back, and lets them go on leading conspiracies and hate mobs, he will have caused great harm to the US and Id argue the planet." https://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-prediction-for-twitter/ [06:16] TR Bot My Prediction For Twitter - Daniel Miessler [06:16] TR News Algorithm for 2D-to-3D Engineering Integrates Art, Nature and Science - Penn Engineering Blog https://blog.seas.upenn.edu/algorithm-for-2d-to-3d-engineering-integrates-art-nature-and-science/ Source: uni Pennsylvania | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.seas.upenn.edu/algorithm-for-2d-to-3d-engineering-integrates-art-nature-and-science/ [06:16] TR Bot Algorithm for 2D-to-3D Engineering Integrates Art, Nature and Science - Penn Engineering Blog [06:19] TR News Nearly One in Ten Americans Reports Having Depression https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/nearly-one-ten-americans-reports-having-depression [06:19] TR Bot Nearly One in Ten Americans Reports Having Depression | Columbia Public Health [06:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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[06:44] DaemonFC It keeps innovating ways to lose $11 for every $1 it brings in. [06:45] *trijetscud has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [06:45] DaemonFC Lots of investors lined up to borrow money and lose it, you know. [06:46] DaemonFC Which is why San Francisco is shit hitting the fan right now. [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Nov 08 [07:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [08:36] *reptilian_thrills (~reptilian_thrills@haw8n4b42f5e6.irc) has joined #techrights [08:38] reptilian_thrills so hp lovecraft at one point in his life was writing 15-20 articles per day [08:38] reptilian_thrills actually emails [08:39] reptilian_thrills actually regular mail [08:40] mjg59_ Shame about all the racism [08:42] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_howtos.1.gmi [08:42] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [08:43] reptilian_thrills oh im not even a fan [08:43] reptilian_thrills im actually watching chill goblins video on lovecraft right now [08:44] reptilian_thrills but im having fun thinking of someone else who used to write 15-20 "items" per day [08:45] reptilian_thrills i have a friend who is farther left than i am who is obsessed with lovecraft [08:45] reptilian_thrills but who definitely thinks the same way-- just in a leftist way [08:45] reptilian_thrills for example hes left wing, but also thinks fauci is responsible for not one, but TWO deaths of members of the band queen [08:46] reptilian_thrills which while those are both tragedies, blaming fauci for either (but especially the more recent one) is sort of adorable? [08:47] reptilian_thrills /me is very smitten with a girl who went as freddie mercury for halloween [08:47] TR News Moving past TCP in the data center, part 1 https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/913260/91d14334d26bd267/ | Source: LWN [08:47] TR Bot past TCP in the data center, part1 [LWN.net] [08:47] TR News "A little prep goes a long way Before I learned of random generation, I thought that blorby play was impossible." https://idiomdrottning.org/random | Source: Idiomdrottning [08:47] TR Bot The Good and Bad of Random [08:48] TR News "You won't see this error message from a more recent Linux kernel." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/ZFSNoSnapshotOddError | Source: uni Toronto [08:48] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/ZFSNoSnapshotOddError [08:49] TR News ">After having built the reference Linux image from a SoM, SoC or terminal maker and having run it on the board" https://embeddeduse.com/2022/11/07/creating-a-custom-yocto-layer/ | Source: Burkhard Stubert [08:49] TR Bot Creating A Custom Yocto Layer Burkhard Stubert [08:50] TR News "The app has user managed servers. They are themed on country, city or interest gaming, social and more." https://www.livemint.com/technology/apps/mastodon-what-is-it-how-to-use-it-and-more-details-about-twitter-s-alternative-11667883592493.html | [08:50] TR Bot Mastodon: What is it, how to use it and more details about Twitters alternative | Mint [08:50] TR News "Whichever Mastodon server(s) you sign up for, however, you can follow users on a different one with no problem." https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/08/mastodon-what-is-it-how-do-i-join-use-find-best-server-list-change-elon-musk-twitter-leaving-social-network-alternative | Source: The Guardian UK [08:50] TR Bot What is Mastodon, the social network users are leaving Twitter for? Everything you need to know | Twitter | The Guardian [08:50] TR News "I dont think Mastodon or the fediverse has ever received this much attention before" https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-technology/mastodon-struggles-to-keep-up-with-flood-of-twitter-defectors-8255595/ | Source: Indian Express [08:50] TR Bot Mastodon struggles to keep up with flood of Twitter defectors | Technology News,The Indian Express [08:51] TR News "Mastodon gives you more control over what you want to see." https://www.androidauthority.com/sign-up-use-mastodon-3232253/ | Source: Android Authority [08:51] TR Bot How to sign up and use Mastodon [08:51] TR News IRC Proceedings: Monday, November 07, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/08/irc-log-071122/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/08/irc-log-071122/ [08:51] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Monday, November 07, 2022 | Techrights [08:55] TR News "One thing I do extensively is that I use LaTeX to make my slides for college class slides and class assignments." https://arjenwiersma.nl/posts/2022-11-07-cleaning-up-after-lsp/index.html | Source: Arjen Wiersma [08:55] TR Bot Cleaning up after LSP-mode [08:58] reptilian_thrills i also think people should do a comparison of hpl and esr, because, wow [08:58] reptilian_thrills the more i learn about one the more he reminds me of the other [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Nov 08 [09:01] reptilian_thrills i guess lovecraft would constantly tell his jewish immigrant wife not to invite her jewish friends over because he couldnt tolerate jews or immigrants [09:02] reptilian_thrills he might have compartmentalised a bit. but then 99% teuton warrors are known for that [09:03] TR News "Using GIS data directly from data.gouv.fr : railways network of France." https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/11/use-data-from-data-gouv-fr/ | Source: Rlang [09:04] TR Bot data from data.gouv.fr | R-bloggers [09:08] TR News "AI that complements human efforts can increase wages by driving up worker productivity, Brynjolfsson argued." https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/11/ai-should-compliment-and-not-replace-humans-says-stanford-expert/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast [09:08] TR Bot AI Should Compliment and Not Replace Humans, Says Stanford Expert : Broadband Breakfast [09:08] TR News [Old] "One step in solving the Advent of Code challenges is to grab the puzzle input." https://arjenwiersma.nl/posts/2021-11-13-Advent-of-Code-Helper/index.html | Source: Arjen Wiersma [09:08] TR Bot Emacs Advent of Code helper [09:09] TR News "Fortran is a language that is specialized for high-performance computing." https://www.matecdev.com/posts/why-fortran-still-used.html | [09:09] TR Bot 5 Reasons Why Fortran is Still Used [09:10] MinceR 08 050757 < reptilian_thrills> granted its like 200 years from now [09:10] MinceR i don't think humanity has 200 years to get its shit together [09:11] *starstreak has quit (Quit: Leaving) [09:12] TR News [Old] "Combining the interactive nature of Python with the power of C++" https://www.matecdev.com/posts/cpp-call-from-python.html | [09:12] TR Bot How to Call C++ from Python [09:13] schestowitz[TR] i don't think humanity has 200 years to get its shit together [09:14] schestowitz[TR] pessimist: Renaissance -> industrial revolution -> neoliberalism -> war -> cannibalism [09:14] schestowitz[TR] neoliberalism is already a FORM of cannibalism [09:14] schestowitz[TR] not literally [09:15] schestowitz[TR] middle ages black plague, nuke ages human plague [09:16] reptilian_thrills not literally <- i mean the donner party proves the lengths starving people will go to [09:16] reptilian_thrills also i knew mincer was going to say that [09:16] reptilian_thrills even right after i said it :) [09:17] TR News ">We used to have ceremonies for leaving jobs." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/11/job-leaving-rituals-in-the-wfh-era/ | Source: Terence Eden [09:17] TR Bot Job leaving rituals in the WFH era Terence Edens Blog [09:17] TR News "45,000 tech jobs had been eliminated before the cuts at Twitter were announced" https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/11/08/jkfl-n08.html | Source: WSWS [09:17] TR Bot Mass layoffs in tech spread to Meta, corporate parent of Facebook - World Socialist Web Site [09:17] reptilian_thrills i should point out that people felt the same way about humanity 1000 years ago [09:17] reptilian_thrills granted scientists make a far more compelling argument [09:17] schestowitz[TR] maybe for religious reasons [09:18] reptilian_thrills so thats a point for mincer [09:18] schestowitz[TR] people who thought that ages ago [09:18] reptilian_thrills maybe for religious reasons <- right, before it was religious people [09:18] schestowitz[TR] and also believe in man talks to god, goes up to thew sky [09:18] reptilian_thrills now its scientists [09:18] schestowitz[TR] scientists' arguments are very different [09:18] reptilian_thrills and also believe in man talks to god, goes up to thew sky <- lots of respected and (otherwise?) reasonable people do [09:18] schestowitz[TR] they look at resources [09:18] MinceR religious people are helping us bring about the end of times for ourselves :> [09:18] reptilian_thrills scientists' arguments are very different <- yes but [09:18] schestowitz[TR] and number of humans that exploded in 100-200 years [09:19] schestowitz[TR] and they put 2 and 2 together [09:19] reptilian_thrills scentists also know that the best scientists can be wrong [09:19] schestowitz[TR] too many people, lack of resoruces to maintain them, more efficient weapons ofdeath [09:19] schestowitz[TR] inc. biological [09:19] reptilian_thrills my favourite example is when the scientific community laughed at the wright brothers [09:19] reptilian_thrills too many people, lack of resoruces to maintain them, more efficient weapons ofdeath <- all reasons that point to mincers conclusion being inevitable [09:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [09:20] reptilian_thrills so its safe to say that if we manage somehow... it will be extraordinary [09:20] schestowitz[TR] it's a miracle nukes were not used offensitvely since 1945 [09:20] MinceR the weapons wouldn't be a problem of humans weren't so evil [09:20] schestowitz[TR] we came super-close a lot of times [09:20] schestowitz[TR] over a dozen [09:21] MinceR yeah, they should have used a couple on moscow when it became clear that orcs just did what the nazis wanted to do [09:21] reptilian_thrills im not sure if we really did or you just dont like humanity :) [09:21] schestowitz[TR] idiots: wars stopped happening because of nukes [09:21] MinceR then we wouldn't be in this shit now [09:21] schestowitz[TR] reality: wars do happen [09:21] schestowitz[TR] and those wars are won more easily by threatening to introduce nukes into them [09:21] reptilian_thrills yeah, they should have used a couple on moscow <- not again! [09:22] reptilian_thrills we already nuked moscow in the 1800s [09:22] schestowitz[TR] one nuke not enough for RUS-Putin? [09:22] reptilian_thrills /me doesnt even know what that is, heard about it here, chuckled [09:22] MinceR i'm not aware of nukes in the 1800s [09:22] reptilian_thrills napoleon did it? [09:23] MinceR but the japanese didn't try to build a totalitarian empire since they were nuked [09:23] MinceR maybe it would have worked on russia too [09:23] reptilian_thrills napoleon dynamite, meet napoleon thermonuclear weapons [09:23] reptilian_thrills you maniacs! you sacre bleu it up! [09:24] TR News Facebook is dying(TM) https://analyticsindiamag.com/after-twitter-meta-succumbs-to-mass-layoffs/ | Source: AIM [09:24] TR Bot After Twitter, Meta Succumbs to Mass Layoffs [09:24] schestowitz[TR] reptilian_thrills: ^ [09:25] TR News "Last week, AWS and Microsoft admitted that their customers have realized their CLOWN costs are out of control." https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/02/cloud_magic_era_ends/ | Source: The Register UK [09:25] TR Bot Cloud magic was a nice story, now with an unhappy ending The Register [09:26] TR News Microsoft: out future is SPAM company https://www.windowslatest.com/2022/11/03/microsoft-hints-at-low-cost-windows-11-pcs-powered-by-advertising-and-subscriptions/ | Source: Windows Latest [09:26] TR Bot Microsoft hints at low-cost Windows 11 PCs powered by advertising and subscriptions [09:26] TR News "If companies continue to outsource all their infrastructure work to the cloud providers" https://matt-rickard.com/what-happens-to-infra-engineers | Source: Matt Rickard [09:26] TR Bot What Happens to Infra Engineers? [09:28] schestowitz[TR] reptilian_thrills: I seem to recall some online cranks speakiing of napoleon eta [09:28] schestowitz[TR] or how we not only had very advanced ancinet civilisations but also super-deadly weapon [09:29] schestowitz[TR] there is no evidencew [09:29] schestowitz[TR] but some to show any nonsense flies "online" [09:29] schestowitz[TR] *comes to show [09:29] schestowitz[TR] there is even one nuy here who promote this stuff [09:29] schestowitz[TR] *nut here who promotes [09:30] reptilian_thrills reptilian_thrills: ^ reptilian_thrills: ^ <- https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI [09:30] TR Bot Picard's Epic Double Facepalm - Invidious [09:30] TR News Surveillance: "Today, the EU Council Presidencys proposal for a regulation on the use of" HEY HI! https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-governments-open-the-door-for-biometric-mass-surveillance-in-public-spaces/ | Source: Patrick Breyer [09:30] TR Bot EU governments open the door for biometric mass surveillance in public spaces Patrick Breyer [09:30] schestowitz[TR] i still think bad history deserves ridicule, not cnesorhsip [09:31] schestowitz[TR] censorship agenda can later expanded to "insulting" history [09:31] schestowitz[TR] or political censorship like in wikipedia, youtube etc. [09:31] TR News "People were filming a lot" https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-ukraine-putin-war-crimes-1.6636688 | Source: CBC [09:31] TR Bot While Putin denies war crimes in Ukraine, a Russian soldier confesses to executing a civilian | CBC News [09:31] TR News "China has allegedly established dozens of police stations abroad, including many in Europe" https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/beijing-s-long-arm-china-s-secret-police-stations-in-europe-a-d6732094-ca32-4c0a-8e6f-58b395b946aa | Source: Spiegel [09:31] TR Bot Beijing's Long Arm: China's Secret Police Stations in Europe - DER SPIEGEL [09:32] TR News "Greece will soon ban the sale of spyware, the government said on Monday" https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1197358/greece-to-ban-sale-of-spyware-amid-wiretapping-scandal/ | Source: Greece [09:32] TR Bot to ban sale of spyware amid wiretapping scandal | eKathimerini.com [09:32] reptilian_thrills there is even one nuy here who promote this stuff <- id be more worried except for the number of nuts here already [09:32] reptilian_thrills they seem to be ranked (in my opinion) not by how nuts they are but but how much they help you out [09:33] TR News Will Greece also ban "reputable" spyware like Microsoft Office, Google, Slack, Facebook, Android...? [09:33] reptilian_thrills then again, this is an all-trolls-are-created-equal argument [09:33] reptilian_thrills and even i dont believe that [09:33] schestowitz[TR] there ie a troll [09:33] reptilian_thrills yes? [09:33] schestowitz[TR] there is a provocateur aiming to derail [09:34] schestowitz[TR] there was a neonazi [09:34] reptilian_thrills lol you mean mjg [09:34] schestowitz[TR] he had not been here for a while [09:34] schestowitz[TR] the trolls speaks of drugs a lot [09:34] schestowitz[TR] *troll [09:34] reptilian_thrills there was a neonazi <- hes not gone, hes probably listening to jordan peterson and cleaning his bunker [09:34] schestowitz[TR] I think the rest cause no harm [09:34] schestowitz[TR] the reputational harm is done by the nut [09:34] schestowitz[TR] so it's important to publicly distance ourselves from the nuttery [09:35] schestowitz[TR] this is an open channel [09:35] reptilian_thrills the reputational harm is done by the nut <- i think you imagine the harm this person does [09:35] schestowitz[TR] no, it can be leveraged to disparage the site [09:35] reptilian_thrills let me rephrase: i think you COMPLETELY imagine the harm one does [09:35] reptilian_thrills while ignoring the harm done by another [09:35] schestowitz[TR] and sometimes it does happen [09:35] schestowitz[TR] there is also a racist [09:35] reptilian_thrills there are a few racists [09:35] schestowitz[TR] who was threatened at gunpoint [09:36] reptilian_thrills at least two, more im sure [09:36] schestowitz[TR] which I think increased or elboldened this racism [09:36] reptilian_thrills who was threatened at gunpoint <- ah [09:36] schestowitz[TR] in "professional" companies there are many racists [09:36] reptilian_thrills to be certain [09:36] schestowitz[TR] but they are paid well and know this depends on them keeping their mouths shut [09:36] reptilian_thrills no, it can be leveraged to disparage the site <- has it been? [09:36] schestowitz[TR] yes [09:36] reptilian_thrills where? [09:37] schestowitz[TR] one examplem is, [09:37] schestowitz[TR] people saying we call mfor people to be killed [09:37] schestowitz[TR] like Microsofters saying so [09:37] reptilian_thrills what year was that [09:38] schestowitz[TR] mono days [09:38] mjg59_ There have literally been people in this channel saying I should be killed [09:38] schestowitz[TR] people who were her what? one day? 2 days? [09:38] reptilian_thrills There have literally been people in this channel saying I should be killed <- i recall only one instance [09:38] reptilian_thrills where they said you having a literal (not mafia type) accident would be funny [09:38] mjg59_ Pretty sure psydruid's been here a while [09:38] reptilian_thrills maybe im thinking of another [09:39] mjg59_ Look the complaint is not that Roy wants me dead [09:39] reptilian_thrills but if its the one im thinking of, that wasnt talking about you being "killed" in the sense you seem to be implying [09:39] schestowitz[TR] in twitter I got death threats [09:39] reptilian_thrills the complaint is not that Roy wants me dead <- okay [09:39] schestowitz[TR] in gas many [09:39] schestowitz[TR] *gab [09:39] mjg59_ The complaint is that Roy has created the kind of space where people feel safe in doing that [09:39] schestowitz[TR] in MINDS... cannot recall [09:39] schestowitz[TR] oh, I did actually [09:39] schestowitz[TR] reported [09:39] schestowitz[TR] and actioned [09:39] mjg59_ But takes no responsibility [09:39] reptilian_thrills feel safe in doing that <- in doing what though? [09:39] MinceR a space with freedom of speech? [09:39] MinceR that's horrible [09:40] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: In expressing a desire for people to suffer physical harm [09:40] MinceR run back to faecesbook before the words hurt you [09:40] reptilian_thrills In expressing a desire for people to suffer physical harm <- george carlin expressed this very bluntly before his death [09:40] MinceR don't look back! [09:40] TR News "Musks team on Friday laid off roughly half the workforce in a bid to cut costs, rattling veteran employees" https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-suspends-users-imitating-elon-musk-early-test-free-speech-rule-rcna55968 | Source: NBC [09:40] TR Bot Twitter suspends users for imitating Elon Musk in early test of his free speech stance [09:40] reptilian_thrills In expressing a desire for people to suffer physical harm <- as far as i know, thats not a crime in the united states [09:40] reptilian_thrills im not sure its even a crime in the uk [09:41] TR News Carlsberg? Elon does POT, not beer. https://cphpost.dk/?p=140245 | Source: Copenhagen Post [09:41] TR Bot Carlsberg won't put ads on Twitter anymore following Elon Musk's buyout - The Post [09:41] reptilian_thrills so there must be some moral argument against it [09:41] reptilian_thrills which im sure someone will provide [09:41] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: I don't usually think of community moderation thresholds as being "Someone is breaking the law" [09:42] TR News "Sibley was most recently COO at Forbes, and before that held executive stints at The Wall Street Journal" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/time-magazine-enlists-new-ceo-1235257231/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter [09:42] TR Bot Jessica Sibley Named CEO of Time Magazine The Hollywood Reporter [09:42] mjg59_ And I've been moderated here without breaking the law, so it's not the threshold this community holds itself to [09:42] MinceR well, CoC isn't law yet [09:42] reptilian_thrills I don't usually think of community moderation thresholds as being "Someone is breaking the law" <- and many of us dont believe a code of conduct will be applied reasonably [09:42] schestowitz[TR] In expressing a desire for people to suffer physical harm <- as far as i know, thats not a crime in the united states [09:42] schestowitz[TR] that is more like pain/death wish [09:42] schestowitz[TR] afaik, death wishes are legal [09:42] schestowitz[TR] but not death threats [09:42] mjg59_ Oh yeah for it to be criminal in the US it has to be something a reasonable person would interpret as an imminent threat [09:43] reptilian_thrills mjg: if youre suggesting that this channel should have a code of conduct, thats funny on several levels [09:43] reptilian_thrills maybe even recursively [09:43] MinceR it's par for the course though [09:43] MinceR it's what his crowd does [09:43] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: I'm actually not doing that! [09:43] MinceR yet. [09:43] reptilian_thrills reptilian_thrills: I'm actually not doing that! <- i would assume you were intoxicated if you did [09:43] schestowitz[TR] to me, manners are good [09:43] schestowitz[TR] but [09:43] psydruid Matt Butt Erick has spoken from the Gulag [09:43] MinceR intoxicated by the offer of money by megacorporations? [09:44] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: I'm saying that this isn't a space that prizes free speech above all else [09:44] schestowitz[TR] coc is not bad because it enforces manners [09:44] reptilian_thrills I'm saying that this isn't a space that prizes free speech above all else <- oh i dont buy it either [09:44] schestowitz[TR] but because it is selectively applied, disproportionately do [09:44] reptilian_thrills i mean, ive rebutted it extensively [09:44] mjg59_ But would rather mute someone who disagrees with Roy than someone who hopes people die [09:44] schestowitz[TR] we also saw it used for aggravation and accusation inflation [09:44] schestowitz[TR] and I cannot recall all the recent examples we picked of CoCs going awry [09:44] schestowitz[TR] like going, VERY very bad [09:44] MinceR currently 0 people are banned among the people who disagree with Roy in something [09:45] mjg59_ MinceR: So why did I spend a year mutd? [09:45] MinceR also, this fake morality is amusing [09:45] schestowitz[TR] CoC becames just some instrument to "Settle scores" [09:45] schestowitz[TR] not a tribunal" [09:45] MinceR mjg59_: you were disruptive to the discussion [09:45] mjg59_ By some objective standard? [09:45] reptilian_thrills most of not all morality is based on hypocrisy and double standards-- SOME at least is worthwhile even if it is imperfect [09:45] MinceR this fake morality is the same as the one that causes people to say "unalive" instead of "kill", while ensuring that every eukaryote in the solar system dies in a few hundred years [09:45] reptilian_thrills the imperfections of codes of conduct are pretty glaring imo [09:46] MinceR s/banned/muted/ [09:46] psydruid mjg59_ is presenting himself once again as a crybaby while distracting from all the harm he has done to people and computing on a global scale [09:46] psydruid that's just too rich for words [09:46] MinceR business as usual [09:47] schestowitz[TR] atm our main issue is some troll promoting drugs, and for no reason other than to harm this channel [09:47] reptilian_thrills from all the harm he has done to people and computing on a global scale <- i try to bring this up occasionally [09:47] MinceR but hey, i'm sure that as long as nobody talks about death, humanity will somehow not turn Earth into Venus2 and not exterminate itself [09:47] MinceR oh wait. [09:47] reptilian_thrills though everyone who is going to realise it already has [09:47] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: link for you: [09:48] schestowitz[TR] gemini://ploum.be/2022-11-07-software-engineers-responsibility.gmi gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-11-07-software-engineers-responsibility.gmi [09:48] schestowitz[TR] same article, two URLs [09:48] reptilian_thrills i mainly bring it up to point out that i havent misplaced that notion or anything [09:48] schestowitz[TR] yesterday: "As software engineers, we have a huge moral responsibility. We are not only implementing it, we are ourselves using those tools and letting our family and children using them." [09:48] reptilian_thrills but the other thing is, i try to understand the coup as a whole [09:48] schestowitz[TR] RMS says, better become a gartner [09:48] schestowitz[TR] gardener [09:48] reptilian_thrills and while he could be the leader for all i know [09:48] schestowitz[TR] than write proprietary software [09:48] schestowitz[TR] I think he intentionally exaggerates [09:48] reptilian_thrills and hes certainly the closest we have to a spokseperson for them [09:49] reptilian_thrills i dont know the actual leadership structure [09:49] MinceR RMS should have said that to poettering and his cult [09:49] reptilian_thrills the closest i can get to that is to look at who was there in the beginning [09:49] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Yeah I'm unclear on how implementing a mechanism that ensures that end-users have control over what their systems boot is a violation of that responsibility [09:49] reptilian_thrills I think he intentionally exaggerates <- its more like abstraction and reframing [09:50] reptilian_thrills RMS should have said that to poettering and his cult <- to go fuck themselves with a grenade launcher? [09:50] MinceR mjg59_: that mechanism would be a good idea [09:50] MinceR and we used to have one [09:50] MinceR mjg59_: but your overlords ensures that it's no longer available. [09:50] MinceR s/res/red/ [09:50] MinceR mjg59_: and you provide moral support to them in this [09:51] mjg59_ MinceR: users had no ability to prevent their systems booting material they didn't want to boot in the past, and this was used against them [09:51] MinceR mjg59_: you're confusing MICROS~1 with users [09:52] reptilian_thrills users had no ability to prevent their systems booting material they didn't want to boot in the past <- i would love to buy a machine with firmware that prevented windows from running [09:52] reptilian_thrills id want to know what else it could prevent though [09:52] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: You can now! [09:52] reptilian_thrills better yet, id love to buy a machine without windows. those seem too rare (and most run macos instead) [09:52] mjg59_ And have been able to for a decade [09:52] mjg59_ Just add the Windows signing key to dbx [09:52] mjg59_ And no Windows install media will ever boot [09:52] reptilian_thrills reptilian_thrills: You can now! <- i think you misunderstand the application for your expertise on the specs [09:52] mjg59_ Linux will still boot fine [09:52] MinceR until they use a different key [09:53] reptilian_thrills i want to buy a machine PRECONFIGURED to not run windows [09:53] MinceR then they boot Backdoors, Backdoors phones home and fucks up your UEFI [09:53] reptilian_thrills and youre missing the joke (or pretending to miss it) [09:53] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: I'd love it if System76 offered that [09:53] MinceR (that is, fucks it up even more) [09:53] mjg59_ MinceR: Yeah they can't use a different key because the system doesn't trust that key [09:53] TR News zaporizhzhia https://www.dw.com/en/zaporizhzhia-power-plant-no-longer-connected-to-ukraine-grid/a-62976178 | Source: Deutsche Welle [09:53] MinceR (it's a miracle UEFI can boot at all) [09:53] TR Bot plant no longer connected to Ukraine grid DW 11/07/2022 [09:54] reptilian_thrills they have enough dark magic [09:54] MinceR and to do this, you must sign every kernel you boot [09:54] MinceR and play along with the charade [09:54] reptilian_thrills "i solumnly swear that i am not a chav running warez yeah" [09:55] mjg59_ Shim was explicitly designed to ensure that you could boot whatever kernels you wanted [09:55] mjg59_ If you don't want to sign stuff, you just disable signature validation using mokutil [09:55] MinceR shim could also run Backdoors, couldn't it? [09:55] reptilian_thrills if you want to set your own term in gnome, just install a plugin :/ [09:55] MinceR if i disable signature validation, they could boot Backdoors [09:56] mjg59_ If you configure your system to boot anything, it'll boot anything [09:56] schestowitz[TR] shim thwarts antitrust actiobn [09:56] schestowitz[TR] against a criminal company [09:56] MinceR twist it any way you want, you can't elude the fact that MICROS~1 wrote the rules to give themselves all the advantage and the hardware vendors enforce all of them, in fear of being made to pay more for Backdoors licenses [09:56] schestowitz[TR] so it can infest machines with BS [09:56] schestowitz[TR] that blocks Linux [09:56] schestowitz[TR] while claiming "SECURITY!" [09:57] reptilian_thrills you can't elude the fact that MICROS~1 wrote the rules to give themselves all the advantage <- this is definitely what i think [09:57] schestowitz[TR] I said this to you MOAR than 10 years ago [09:57] mjg59_ If you want your system to boot Linux but not boot Windows, it needs some way to tell the difference between them [09:57] MinceR and all the governments talking their asses off about how they have market economy and how they guard you against monopolies, do nothing about this [09:57] schestowitz[TR] I used the OOXML analogy [09:57] reptilian_thrills If you want your system to boot Linux but not boot Windows <- that was a joke of course [09:57] reptilian_thrills the point is to not have to run windows, not to actually have firmware do what i jokingly said [09:57] MinceR and the governments enforce other Imaginary Property rules to make this whole scheme workable [09:58] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: The fact that people can't install their own firmware on many commodity systems is absolute bullshit [09:58] MinceR without copyright, hardware vendors could preload Backdoors without paying MICROS~1 at all, thus MICROS~1 would have no hold on them [09:58] TR News I Fought The PayPal And I Won https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/i-fought-the-paypal-and-i-won | [09:58] TR Bot I Fought The PayPal And I Won - by Yassine Meskhout [09:58] reptilian_thrills The fact that people can't install their own firmware on many commodity systems is absolute bullshit <- if thats literally a fact thats even worse [09:58] psydruid you can choose to work in a Microsoft/IBM world or you can choose to replace this Microsoft/IBM world [09:58] mjg59_ Without copyright, copilot would be obviously legal [09:58] reptilian_thrills i assume its mostly just tedious as fuck [09:58] TR News "Meta Platforms Inc the company that owns Facebook, Instagram and Whatsapp is reportedly preparing to lay off thousands of employees as the social media giant reels from a poor financial outlook for the coming year" https://www.dw.com/en/facebook-parent-company-meta-plans-mass-layoffs-report/a-63666377 | Source: Deutsche Welle [09:58] MinceR also, no one gets to make x86 CPUs that are full of malware because governments enforce intHell's Imaginary Property [09:58] TR Bot parent company Meta plans mass layoffs report DW 11/07/2022 [09:58] mjg59_ And the GPL would have no meaning [09:58] reptilian_thrills and beyond the tools and knowledge of most users [09:58] MinceR s/that are full/that are not full/ [09:59] MinceR the GPL already has no meaning [09:59] mjg59_ I actually think that would be a better version of reality, but there's reasonable disagreement there [09:59] reptilian_thrills the GPL already has no meaning <- very little at best [09:59] mjg59_ Hey, maybe the SFC's case against Vizio will work out [09:59] MinceR you can take GPL-ed software, turn it into a daemon that provides a dbugs API and use it from proprietary software all you want [09:59] reptilian_thrills it historically has meaning [09:59] mjg59_ Having consumers be able to enforce the GPL would help a great deal [09:59] reptilian_thrills maybe the SFC's case against Vizio will work out <- that would probably be bad [09:59] MinceR and putting everything on dbugs is now standard practice, thanks to dehomag [09:59] reptilian_thrills everything the sfc has done has fucked us one way or another ● Nov 08 [10:00] reptilian_thrills i can easily imagine how their case against vizio would be bad [10:00] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: Are you familiar with the case? [10:00] mjg59_ It actually covers a lot of interesting legal ground [10:00] MinceR also, Linux is GPL-ed and "Linux Foundation" members get to do whatever they like with it [10:00] reptilian_thrills of course not, im banking that once i am, it will be as i say :) [10:00] MinceR including vmware [10:00] reptilian_thrills its prejudice to be sure [10:00] MinceR who are well known for being GPL violators [10:00] schestowitz[TR] without copyright law for code, proprietary anf FOSS might have not much difference either [10:00] reptilian_thrills but that doesnt mean im wrong :) [10:00] schestowitz[TR] so you skip that step [10:00] schestowitz[TR] by singling out GPL [10:00] schestowitz[TR] workers could leak out the code [10:00] reptilian_thrills It actually covers a lot of interesting legal ground <- oh this im sure of [10:00] schestowitz[TR] and that's it [10:00] schestowitz[TR] it spreads like in dawn of computing [10:01] MinceR even now, mjg59_'s overlords are trying to take over the FSF so that GPLv4 can be a permissive license, removing copyleft from all works licensed with an "or later version" clause [10:01] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: The basic claim is that the GPL should actually be interpreted as a contract under US law [10:01] reptilian_thrills are trying to take over the FSF so that GPLv4 <- i think its said and done really [10:01] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: not just FSF [10:01] reptilian_thrills the rest is formalities [10:01] schestowitz[TR] also EFF and others [10:01] schestowitz[TR] Team Pentagon [10:01] reptilian_thrills also EFF and others <- eff already ate itself [10:01] MinceR also, there were some attempts on the state level to break the GPL [10:01] schestowitz[TR] no, eff's founder died [10:01] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: As a result, anyone who receives GPLed code should be in a position to demand access to the source code, without requiring that a copyright holder do so [10:01] schestowitz[TR] and they ousted another cofounder [10:02] mjg59_ Yeah they ousted the guy who gave people LSD without telling them he was doing so [10:02] reptilian_thrills anyone who receives GPLed code should be in a position to demand access to the source code, without requiring that a copyright holder do so <- and how does this not open the door up to gpl trolling? [10:02] TR News Great news! https://www.axios.com/2022/11/04/elon-musk-twitter-revenue-drop-advertisers | Source: Axios [10:02] TR Bot Elon Musk: Twitter suffers "massive drop in revenue" after advertisers leave [10:02] reptilian_thrills like patent trolls but against gpl projects [10:02] psydruid MinceR, so GPLv3 must be forked in another direction? [10:02] TR News "Mastodon is installed on thousands" https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/twitter-mastodon-faq-1.6642946 | Source: CBC [10:02] TR Bot What is Mastodon, and why is it surging amid all the chaos at Twitter? | CBC News [10:02] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: Oh there's actually a big difference [10:02] MinceR psydruid: i don't think that helps [10:02] reptilian_thrills reptilian_thrills: Oh there's actually a big difference <- aliens? [10:02] MinceR psydruid: avoiding "or later" clauses and avoiding copyright assignment helps [10:03] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: GPL trolling generally involves demanding financial restitution in return for allowing someone to continue shipping code - that requires you to be a copyright holder [10:03] MinceR and in general not putting trust in organizations [10:03] reptilian_thrills GPL trolling generally involves demanding financial restitution <- not that [10:03] TR News "Kathy Griffin logged into her late mothers Twitter account to continue trolling Elon Musk" https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/kathy-griffin-twitter-ban-dead-mother-account-elon-musk-1235425165/ | Source: Variety [10:03] TR Bot Griffin Defies Musk Twitter Ban by Using Dead Mother's Account - Variety [10:03] MinceR any organization can be taken over [10:03] reptilian_thrills im concerned about censorship [10:03] reptilian_thrills and denying access [10:03] reptilian_thrills which gpl3 mitigates [10:03] TR News "The planned changes to the verification system have been met by strong criticism from users" https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/twitter-subscription-check-marks-verification-delayed-1235424769/ | Source: Variety [10:03] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: This would allow someone to demand that the license be followed, but the worst case outcome would be the vendor just having to refund you and take the item back [10:03] TR Bot Verification Check Mark Changes Delayed to After Election Day - Variety [10:03] reptilian_thrills but gpl trolls... [10:03] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: You wouldn't be able to prevent an item being sold [10:03] TR News "Cossette's guidance said the layoffs prompted increased concern about the effectiveness of Twitter's moderation" https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cossette-agency-government-ads-twitter-layoffs-1.6642527 | Source: CBC [10:03] mjg59_ Or terminate the license [10:03] TR Bot Federal government advised to pause Twitter ads after mass layoffs at company | CBC News [10:03] MinceR also it's interesting that mjg59_ still tries this cancellation angle here [10:04] reptilian_thrills okay [10:04] MinceR do we really look that stupid? [10:04] reptilian_thrills also it's interesting that mjg59_ still tries this cancellation angle here <- agreed [10:04] TR News "fundraising" https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emergencies-act-lich-fundraising-1.6638333 | Source: CBC [10:04] TR Bot Money flowed to convoy protesters through envelopes of cash, cryptocurrency campaign, inquiry hears | CBC News [10:04] psydruid MinceR, or does a new licence have be drafted up that is GPL-like but somehow incompatible with the GPL? [10:04] reptilian_thrills but then, maybe it has no practical purpose [10:04] mjg59_ It just turns into "It's cheaper to follow the license than refund some people who demand we do so" [10:04] psydruid it's getting complicated [10:04] MinceR psydruid: i don't think that's necessary. but i'm doubtful about how much we can expect from licenses anyway. [10:04] reptilian_thrills maybe its like arguing against evolution for its own sake against people who understand science [10:04] MinceR the state enforces licenses and the state can't be trusted to do the right thing [10:05] reptilian_thrills the state enforces licenses and the state can't be trusted to do the right thin <- [10:05] reptilian_thrills all licnenses can really do is buy a couple decades [10:05] mjg59_ Some people will follow the terms of the GPL because they want to adhere to the social contract [10:05] reptilian_thrills until microsoft finds a way to fuck us despite them [10:05] MinceR also, megacorporations have managed to force internationally changes to Imaginary Property law [10:05] reptilian_thrills because they want to adhere to the social contract <- surely you dont mean corporations [10:05] mjg59_ But many will only do so because there are legal consequences for failing to do so [10:06] MinceR i'm not sure why people would think they can't do so again [10:06] reptilian_thrills But many will only do so because there are legal consequences for failing to do so <- until they find a loophole [10:06] schestowitz[TR] twitter TOS is changing [10:06] reptilian_thrills like simply buying out projects with sponsorship (linux fundation) [10:06] schestowitz[TR] Freenode TOS changed [10:06] MinceR there were plenty of shits like the WIPO Copyright Treaty [10:06] schestowitz[TR] WIPO and WTO change laws [10:06] schestowitz[TR] internationally [10:06] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: Yeah, the biggest one of those is finding projects they can ship where none of the copyright holders are willing to enforce the license [10:07] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: Allowing users to enforce the terms without needing copyright holders to be enforced removes the biggest loophole here [10:07] MinceR also, if you use your real name on copyrighted works, the likes of MICROS~1 and dehomag and their SJW troll armies can reach you and do damage to your livelihood [10:07] TR News [Old] "The doctors organisation, which has campaigned in defence of Assange since late 2019" https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/10/19/khfj-o19.html | Source: WSWS [10:07] TR Bot Doctors send open letter to British and US governments demanding Assanges freedom - World Socialist Web Site [10:07] reptilian_thrills reptilian_thrills: Yeah, the biggest one of thos <- is one i cant think of a single example of [10:07] MinceR you'd better have an army of your own if you paint a target over yourself like that [10:07] reptilian_thrills but the one where sponsors take over is one i can think of examples of [10:07] MinceR and thermonuclear weapons [10:07] reptilian_thrills like ibm gcc [10:07] reptilian_thrills thats a huge problem [10:07] TR News "The complaints were filed against Bureau of Corrections chief Gerald Bantag, who has been suspended from his post, prisons security official Ricardo Zulueta and other key suspects in the October 3 fatal shooting" https://www.voanews.com/a/philippine-prisons-chief-charged-in-journalist-s-killing-/6823770.html | Source: VOA News [10:08] TR Bot Philippine Prisons Chief Charged in Journalist's Killing [10:08] reptilian_thrills sfc: LOOK OVER HERE <- cynical admittedly [10:08] TR News Alaa https://today.rtl.lu/news/world/a/1989049.html | Source: RTL [10:08] TR Bot RTL Today - Jailed Alaa Abdel Fattah: Three Egyptian journalists start hunger strike to free dissident [10:08] reptilian_thrills whats sfc doing to defend gcc from ibm takeover? [10:08] reptilian_thrills or maybe theres no threat :) thats possible [10:08] reptilian_thrills seems unlikely [10:09] schestowitz[TR] whats sfc doing to defend gcc from ibm takeover? [10:09] schestowitz[TR] too late [10:09] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: A bunch of gcc people were talking to SFC about providing hosting infrastructure, while another bunch were talking to the Linux Foundation about doing the same [10:09] reptilian_thrills maybe sfc and ibm have a common enemy there [10:09] schestowitz[TR] it's not thet they don't prevent it [10:09] schestowitz[TR] they censor ICBM critics [10:09] reptilian_thrills too late <- i know [10:09] schestowitz[TR] and they actively help ICBM take over gnu projects [10:09] schestowitz[TR] via the ICBM front group ZemlinPAC [10:09] reptilian_thrills they censor ICBM critics <- when did sfc... other than stallman himself [10:09] schestowitz[TR] not just IBM [10:09] MinceR ibm also owns part of the "Linux Foundation" [10:09] schestowitz[TR] also Intel, Microsoft, VMware... [10:09] MinceR makes me wonder if they also own the SFC [10:10] schestowitz[TR] check their site [10:10] reptilian_thrills ibm also owns part of the "Linux Foundation" <- ibm probably owned a piece of my grandmother but i never managed to prove it [10:10] *schestowitz[TR] checks also [10:10] MinceR oh yes, ibm is very much into owning people [10:10] schestowitz[TR] ICBM: barcode pioneer [10:10] schestowitz[TR] "we tested on pigs" [10:10] schestowitz[TR] "then some humans" [10:10] reptilian_thrills makes me wonder if they also own the SFC <- leftist reactionaries dont need to be bought, theyll volunteer to be owned [10:10] MinceR and also in killing a few millions of them in gas chambers [10:11] MinceR but you won't hear mjg59_ complain about that [10:11] psydruid "we own people 100% of the time in life and in death" [10:11] MinceR talking about wishing people death on IRC is a far more serious crime than that. [10:11] schestowitz[TR] https://sfconservancy.org/news/2017/nov/27/companies-principles/ [10:11] TR Bot Facebook, Google, IBM and Red Hat Formally Adopt Portion of GPL Enforcement Principles - Software Freedom Conservancy [10:11] reptilian_thrills we can still wish nazis die, hopefully [10:11] schestowitz[TR] "IBM and Red Hat" [10:11] schestowitz[TR] 2017 [10:11] MinceR not if you don't want to be sued by them [10:11] schestowitz[TR] year before the takeover [10:11] MinceR and cancelled by them [10:11] MinceR and the platform you used to talk on being also taken down by them [10:12] schestowitz[TR] "Godot Engine" https://sfconservancy.org/projects/current/ [10:12] TR Bot Current Projects - Software Freedom Conservancy [10:12] schestowitz[TR] page NOT up to date [10:12] schestowitz[TR] Gotdot left [10:12] reptilian_thrills "Godot Engine" <- github [10:12] reptilian_thrills might have even signed the letter [10:12] mjg59_ Roy's employers were paid by the UK Ministry of Defence, not known for their role in making people continue to be alive [10:12] MinceR that's the only real principle behind people like mjg59_ [10:12] schestowitz[TR] "Godot Engine" <- github [10:12] mjg59_ IBM's actions in the 30s and 40s were reprehensible [10:12] schestowitz[TR] also tookm MSFT money [10:13] schestowitz[TR] I confronted them about iut [10:13] MinceR saying what the megacorporations who pay him is OK, saying something else is criminal and must be suppressed [10:13] schestowitz[TR] Microsofgt paid them to push C# [10:13] schestowitz[TR] https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2018/oct/31/sandler-thoughts-ibm-red-hat-acquisition/ [10:13] TR Bot Thoughts on IBMs acquisition of Red Hat - Conservancy Blog - Software Freedom Conservancy [10:13] MinceR ibm hasn't changed, MICROS~1 learned everything they know from ibm and also haven't changed [10:13] schestowitz[TR] " intellectual property licensing and business development professional with IBM." [10:13] schestowitz[TR] intellectual property licensing and business development professional with IBM. [10:13] reptilian_thrills It's Basically Microsoft [10:13] schestowitz[TR] https://sfconservancy.org/about/board/ [10:13] TR Bot Directors - Software Freedom Conservancy [10:13] mjg59_ But if we hold the current nature of a company to their behaviour in history, it's legitimate to ask why Roy works for a company that got money from murderes [10:13] MinceR does Roy run that company? [10:14] psydruid distraction [10:14] mjg59_ No, but nor do Red Hat employees run IBM [10:14] MinceR does Roy practice online advocacy in favor of that company? [10:14] MinceR afaik management is usually employed by the corporation they run [10:14] schestowitz[TR] "The interests of companies are not always aligned with the free software community or the public. Companies that seem to be in one stable condition today may change dramatically tomorrow. While I expect Red Hat to flourish under IBM ownership" -Sandler [10:14] schestowitz[TR] she was wrong [10:14] schestowitz[TR] red hat crumbles for several reasons [10:14] MinceR mjg59_: and you put your name on Free Software 9/11 [10:15] MinceR in a prominent place [10:15] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/09/19/sfc-salaries/ [10:15] TR Bot Free as in Finance/Money: Salary of SFCs Chief Rose to $216,000 Per Year ($18,000 Per Month), or More Than Twice the FSFs Chief | Techrights [10:15] mjg59_ MinceR: That's a completely reasonable position for you to hold - but you don't then get to criticise RH employees for IBM's history [10:15] psydruid "critising American megacorporations hurts them and me PERSONALLY" [10:15] reptilian_thrills mjg59_: and you put your name on Free Software 9/11 <- and dec 14 (2008) [10:15] MinceR mjg59_: i do get to criticize rh/ibm employees for playing the saint and demanding to be taken as some sort of moral paragons [10:15] reptilian_thrills (2018 rather) [10:15] mjg59_ MinceR: Ok, so it's fair to criticise Roy for playing the saint? [10:16] MinceR mjg59_: and demanding that i stop using words they don't like while they themselves continue using those words [10:16] reptilian_thrills so it's fair to criticise Roy for playing the saint? <- yes :D [10:16] MinceR mjg59_: it's fair to criticize Roy for whatever he has actually done [10:16] reptilian_thrills though the scale is not the same, nor is the connection the same [10:16] reptilian_thrills the level of involvement between roy and the mod is QUITE different [10:16] MinceR i have yet to see him sign a document attempting to cancel someone [10:16] reptilian_thrills i would say there is effectively none [10:16] psydruid criticising* [10:16] MinceR i have yet to see him tell me that i should cease using a particular word [10:16] reptilian_thrills the level of involvement between ibm and red hat is downplayed [10:17] reptilian_thrills rather than none [10:17] mjg59_ MinceR: Including him claiming virtue while working for a company that took money to help kill people in the middle east? [10:17] reptilian_thrills ibm has never been brought to justice [10:17] schestowitz[TR] i have yet to see him sign a document attempting to cancel someone [10:17] MinceR to the extent he actually contributed to that, sure [10:17] schestowitz[TR] not just signed [10:17] schestowitz[TR] mjg did more than just signed [10:17] schestowitz[TR] he was one of the initiators [10:17] reptilian_thrills for war crimes on a scale that goes beyond even historical [10:17] mjg59_ MinceR: How many RH employees helped IBM enable the holocaust? [10:17] reptilian_thrills but unthinkable [10:17] reptilian_thrills MinceR: How many RH employees helped IBM enable the holocaust? [10:17] reptilian_thrills <- its about the company ffs [10:18] MinceR mjg59_: many IBM employees did [10:18] mjg59_ MinceR: Current IBM employees? [10:18] MinceR mjg59_: and RH employees are now IBM employees [10:18] schestowitz[TR] to be clear, i did NOT accuse mjg of being connected to ICBM's crimes [10:18] schestowitz[TR] so it's a straw man [10:18] MinceR no, they probably kicked the bucket since then [10:18] reptilian_thrills MinceR: Current IBM employees? <- how do you manage to frame EVERYTHING so that only YOU ever have an actual point? [10:18] schestowitz[TR] it's also a straw man comparing hitler to mod [10:18] reptilian_thrills seriously [10:18] schestowitz[TR] and I never worked for mod [10:18] MinceR and the current crop of SJWs uses ibm's ill-gotten name to lay credence to their claims and demands [10:18] schestowitz[TR] no idea what project we did for them, maybe over a decade ago [10:18] mjg59_ MinceR: Ok! So if it's ok to criticise people based on their employer having done bad things in the past, why is it not ok to criticise Roy for his employer having done bad things in the past? [10:18] schestowitz[TR] we as in the colleagues who all left [10:19] reptilian_thrills why is it not ok to criticise Roy for his employer having done bad things in the past? <- it is okay [10:19] schestowitz[TR] I am the longest-serving staff except the foundert [10:19] reptilian_thrills but why are you doing it? [10:19] MinceR mjg59_: i'm not criticizing people based on their employer having done bad things in the past. i'm criticizing people's employer for having done bad things _all the fucking time_ and people for supporting that [10:19] reptilian_thrills because surely the reason youre doing it would be a better answer to your question than the dance youre doing right now [10:19] MinceR but yeah, technically everything we know about is "in the past" [10:19] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: I did NOT link you to ICBM and the holocaust [10:19] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: Because there seems to be an immensely tedious "This person works for Red Hat, so holocaust, so bad" argument that Roy keeps trotting out [10:19] MinceR everything you see on your monitor is via photons that were emitted "in the past" [10:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [10:20] reptilian_thrills reptilian_thrills: Because there seems to be an immensely tedious "This person works for Red Hat, so holocaust, so bad" argument that Roy keeps trotting out <- roy doesnt help matters [10:20] MinceR so let bygones be bygones and make everyone a slave of dehomag and MICROS~1. [10:20] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: I didn't say you did? [10:20] MinceR oh wait. [10:20] schestowitz[TR] fwiw, the company is connecterd to construction in its origins [10:20] schestowitz[TR] as I understand it, the company that build number 10 and others [10:20] schestowitz[TR] and went bust a decade agp [10:20] schestowitz[TR] *built [10:20] reptilian_thrills there seems to be an immensely tedious "This person works for Red Hat, so holocaust, so bad" <- you and roy are in an endless feud [10:20] mjg59_ Look I just want you all to make intellectually coherent arguments [10:20] reptilian_thrills so the level of "no u" jokes is like 100 levels deep [10:21] mjg59_ Rather than repetitive "IBM did a bad, therefore this is bad" [10:21] MinceR mjg59_: also, _you_ don't get to hide behind rh _or_ ibm when you put your own fucking name on the letter [10:21] psydruid s/coherent/dishonest/ [10:21] schestowitz[TR] biab [10:21] mjg59_ Because there's a whole bunch of fundamentally important stuff that's just lost behind you all sounding like fucking idiots the entire time [10:21] MinceR lol [10:21] TR News Antarctica https://brr.fyi/posts/voting-from-antarctica | Source: Brr [10:21] TR Bot Voting from Antarctica [10:21] reptilian_thrills Because there's a whole bunch of fundamentally important stuff that's just lost behind you all sounding like fucking idiots the entire time <- no u [10:22] MinceR good thing canceling someone for saying someone he didn't say makes you sound like a fucking genius [10:22] mjg59_ Commercial capture of IP law! It's awful! [10:22] reptilian_thrills Because there's a whole bunch of fundamentally important stuff that's just lost <- this i agree with [10:22] MinceR here we go again, mjg59_ posturing as an intelligent being, something he is not [10:22] reptilian_thrills good thing canceling someone for saying someone he didn't say makes you sound like a fucking genius <- :> [10:22] reptilian_thrills Because there's a whole bunch of fundamentally important stuff that's just lost <- this i agree with <- starting with the leadership of the fsf [10:22] reptilian_thrills which is GONE [10:22] TR News "Fight to Repair Daily to the Fight to Repair Weekly" https://securepairs.org/fight-to-repair-daily-friday-october-28-2022/ | Source: Securepairs [10:22] TR Bot to Repair Daily: Friday October 28, 2022 securepairs.org [10:23] reptilian_thrills it was on shaky ground. now its just on the ground. [10:23] mjg59_ The increasing embrace of "Open Source" by large enterprises in a way that does nothing to enhance user freedom - that's bad! [10:23] TR News youtube https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/florida-video-arrest-youtube-blind-b2219810.html | Source: The Independent UK [10:23] TR Bot Are you a tyrant? Viral video shows Florida police arrest legally blind 61-year-old for holding cane | The Independent [10:23] reptilian_thrills The increasing embrace of "Open Source" by large enterprises in a way that does nothing to enhance user freedom - that's bad! <- very bad [10:23] psydruid > here we go again, mjg59_ posturing as an intelligent being, something he is not [10:23] psydruid pretending not to be a pig while farting in the mud [10:23] mjg59_ Governments actively compromising hardware owned by their own citizens to monitor them - fucking awful! [10:24] reptilian_thrills pretending not to be a pig while farting in the mud <- devils advocate: mjg gets this conversations going about the most important issues [10:24] reptilian_thrills more than even roy does. [10:24] MinceR mjg59_ helping megacorporations compromise hardware owned by the citizens of the same governments -- fucking genius! [10:24] TR News "The 61-year-old Hodges was booked into Columbia County Jail on Halloween morning and was not released until 10:30 a.m. the next day." https://www.cltampa.com/news/florida-deputies-arrest-blind-man-for-carrying-cane-14514749 | [10:24] TR Bot Florida deputies arrest blind man for carrying cane | Florida News | Tampa | Creative Loafing Tampa Bay [10:24] mjg59_ Turning it into repetitive conversations about how IBM did a genocide doesn't actually help there! [10:24] reptilian_thrills if you want a revival, just tell people the devils in town [10:24] TR News "Jim Hodges was taken into custody by the North Florida cops after a tense interaction" https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/florida-cops-arrest-legally-blind-man-for-carrying-cane-video-32855192 | [10:24] TR Bot Florida cops arrest legally blind man for carrying cane [VIDEO] | Florida News | Orlando | Orlando Weekly [10:24] reptilian_thrills mjg does one better, the devil comes to the mountain [10:24] mjg59_ Yes, it's true! They did! They should suffer consequences! [10:25] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv4eTE0aUiQ [10:25] TR Bot https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=wv4eTE0aUiQ [10:25] TR Bot not resolve host: tube.cthd.icu; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=wv4eTE0aUiQ ) [10:25] mjg59_ But they're not going to, and continuing to campaign on that front just makes it harder to talk about the shit that can change! [10:25] MinceR oh yeah [10:25] MinceR sociopaths being in power and making life hell for all of us, not something we can change [10:25] MinceR until we all die out [10:25] mjg59_ If Israel isn't boycotting IBM, it's pretty fucking obvious that they're never going to suffer for that [10:25] MinceR better support them, then. [10:26] mjg59_ I didn't say support them [10:26] mjg59_ I said pick better battles [10:26] MinceR afaict israel is an undemocratic religious fundamentalist shithole [10:26] mjg59_ Nobody needs to stand up for IBM [10:26] MinceR they can't be relied on even as much as the less benighted states can be [10:26] mjg59_ IBM's got enough lobbyists to do that for themselves [10:26] MinceR and even the latter are going to shit [10:26] reptilian_thrills I said pick better battles <- cant agree there [10:26] MinceR democracy in the USA is ending [10:26] reptilian_thrills fsvo democracy [10:27] MinceR the people of the UK demonstrated that they're incapable of running a democracy [10:27] MinceR the EU is a rolling failure [10:27] psydruid mjg59_ is like a collaborator in the war justifying his reasons for collaborating, I don't put much stock into that [10:27] MinceR the rest of the five eyes aren't doing much better either. [10:27] reptilian_thrills the people of the UK demonstrated that they're incapable of running a democracy <- to be fair it was bolted on [10:27] reptilian_thrills the rest of the five eyes aren't doing much better either. <- six? [10:27] MinceR it was also a reference apparently many other states turned to when building a democracy [10:27] MinceR not a good prognosis for them either [10:28] MinceR i don't know about extensions to five eyes [10:28] reptilian_thrills it was also a reference apparently many other states <- what else would they use as a model though? [10:28] reptilian_thrills france i suppose :D [10:28] MinceR their own minds, if they have one, hopefully [10:28] MinceR they probably don't, being humans [10:28] reptilian_thrills thats not how politics works obviously [10:28] psydruid "please don't hurt IBM, they're my friends" [10:28] reptilian_thrills the way you start a country is by ripping off another one and pretending its different [10:29] MinceR so how did the first country get started? [10:29] reptilian_thrills someone fucked up [10:29] mjg59_ The obsession here with having five minute hates against random individuals or specific corporations rather than the entire political situation that enables corporations to arbitrarily constrain user freedom is just infuriating [10:29] psydruid lol [10:29] reptilian_thrills then everyone else followed that [10:29] MinceR lol [10:29] reptilian_thrills /me bows [10:29] MinceR mjg59_: how many minutes did this take, mr. genius? >> https://rms-open-letter.github.io/ [10:29] TR Bot open letter to remove Richard M. Stallman from all leadership positions | rms-open-letter.github.io [10:30] MinceR fucking hypocrite. [10:30] mjg59_ If you really believe that any individual is fundamental to the eroding of user freedom, how long do you think it's going to take for the corporations to just replace that individual? [10:30] reptilian_thrills mjg59_: how many minutes did this take <- i think wokeoffice has a template for that actually [10:30] MinceR lol [10:30] MinceR i would hope shithub has the template built in [10:30] reptilian_thrills actually the template joke isnt entirely for giggles (though it mostly is) [10:31] reptilian_thrills ive seen previous versions of that letter, or close enough [10:31] reptilian_thrills for other people [10:31] MinceR it's the least the redmond mafia can do for its troll army [10:31] mjg59_ The focus on individuals just ends up making it look like gamergate [10:31] MinceR like mr. genius here, who campaigned for locking down Linux more and more for the sake of MICROS~1's competitive advantage, under the guise of "Secure Boot" [10:31] psydruid lol [10:31] MinceR mjg59_: oh, so rms isn't an individual anymore? [10:31] reptilian_thrills The focus on individuals just ends up making it look like gamergate <- well... i guess it woudl have been a great idea to not focus on tso and stallman than [10:31] MinceR it's interesting to see how all the rules apply to mr. genius differently. [10:32] psydruid like RMS or LT? [10:32] reptilian_thrills rms lt tso [10:32] reptilian_thrills gilmore [10:32] reptilian_thrills to see how all the rules <- cancel culture is based on hypocrisy and double standards [10:32] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: Eh I think there's two classes there [10:32] psydruid the tool is making even more of a fool of himself [10:32] reptilian_thrills reptilian_thrills: Eh I think there's two classes there <- anything is possible, some things are likely [10:33] reptilian_thrills the tool is making even more of a fool of himself <- let him [10:33] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: My criticism of Ted wasn't based on him being in any sort of leadership role, just being visible in the community - it was explicitly criticism of him for a specific topic, not an attempt to assert that his behaviour was part of a wider campaign to do, well, anything [10:33] MinceR being visible in a community, the most grave of all crimes [10:33] reptilian_thrills it was explicitly criticism of him for a specific topic <- maybe the effect had nothing to do with you [10:34] reptilian_thrills but it seemed to be pivotal [10:34] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: Unlike all the gamergate targets, where the criticism of them as individuals was tied to an argument that they represented a greater issue [10:34] MinceR far graver than anticompetitive actions or genocide [10:34] TR News A Tribe without Tribalism gemini://thurk.org/blog/587.gmi [10:34] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: I think the accusations regarding rms and Linus are more accurate, and I think my argument that there's still a difference is weaker [10:34] TR News A Linux laptop on Chromebook for my student gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~lettuce/linux-loaner-laptop.gmi [10:35] MinceR of course you'd say you "think" so [10:35] MinceR even if you can't even argue for it, because it doesn't make any logical sense [10:35] reptilian_thrills I think the accusations regarding rms and Linus are more accurate <- the accusations regarding rms are clearly bunk [10:35] MinceR hell, the people who killed our industry and our movement _paid_ you to do so! [10:35] reptilian_thrills the most substantial one i know of is that he misgendered your partner [10:36] TR News QFNs https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/how-those-nes-dip-chips-were-reduced-to-qfns/ | Source: Hackaday [10:36] TR Bot Those NES DIP Chips Were Reduced To QFNs | Hackaday [10:36] TR News Commodore https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/commodore-datasette-does-its-own-calibration/ | Source: Hackaday [10:36] TR Bot Datasette Does Its Own Calibration | Hackaday [10:36] reptilian_thrills natalie wynn has an AMAZING video explaining how rms was abstracted into all of those things you accused him of [10:36] reptilian_thrills ironically the same video was funded by one of the people who signed it [10:36] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: But they were clearly leaders in communities in a way that the gamergate victims weren't, and while you may well not agree with criticisms I made I don't think it's the same as (say) the accusations made against Zoe Quinn then being used as an argument that gaming journalism as a whole was corrupt [10:37] reptilian_thrills But they were clearly leaders in communities in a way that the gamergate victims weren't, and while you may well not agree with criticisms I made I don't think it's the same as (say) the accusations made against Zoe Quinn then being used as an argument that gaming journalism as a whole was corrupt <- agreed except [10:37] reptilian_thrills i never brought up gamergate or quinn [10:37] reptilian_thrills and im not sure how the comparison is helpful (im not saying it isnt, only i dont know how) [10:37] MinceR strange i seem to recall that the argument that gaming journalism as a whole was corrupt hinged on how gaming "journalists" behaved, ont on zoe quinn [10:37] MinceR but i wasn't involved much in it, so i must be wrong about that [10:37] mjg59_ Oh I thought this branch of the conversation started because I complained that the criticism here looked more like Gamergate [10:38] MinceR and yeah, mjg59_ brought up the whole thing [10:38] MinceR s/ont/not/ [10:38] reptilian_thrills because I complained that the criticism here looked more like Gamergate <- you brought up gamergate yes [10:38] mjg59_ Yeah, sorry, I thought the counter to that was suggesting that my own behaviour looked like Gamergate [10:38] MinceR if your "argument" is that something "looks like" something else, you need to come up with a better argument [10:38] reptilian_thrills I thought the counter to that was suggesting that my own behaviour looked like Gamergate <- someone may have said so [10:38] reptilian_thrills fair enouguh [10:39] MinceR i'm sorry that i have to explain this to mr. genius. [10:39] mjg59_ dr. genius [10:39] MinceR dr. supragenius [10:39] mjg59_ If Roy can insist on it, why can't I [10:39] schestowitz[TR] dr. asparagus [10:39] mjg59_ j/k I really don't care [10:39] MinceR have i called him dr. Roy? [10:39] MinceR i don't think i have [10:39] mjg59_ Dunno [10:39] schestowitz[TR] i never asked anyone to call me doctor [10:39] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ does that [10:39] MinceR i keep forgetting everyone's doctorates [10:39] schestowitz[TR] it's a sign of insecurity [10:39] MinceR yeah [10:40] reptilian_thrills /me is a doctor but only on paper / for laughs [10:40] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: You call yourself Dr everywhere [10:40] mjg59_ Even on Linkedin [10:40] reptilian_thrills i dont ever use it [10:40] mjg59_ Who the fuck does that on Linkedin [10:40] MinceR who the fuck uses linkedin [10:40] MinceR and why [10:40] mjg59_ Right? [10:41] reptilian_thrills dr. linkedin [10:41] schestowitz[TR] i created an account there in 2006 because a colleague told me to [10:41] MinceR who the fuck uses anything from MICROS~1 [10:41] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: When did you graduate? [10:41] reptilian_thrills who the fuck uses anything from MICROS~1 <- everybody because of fucking firmware [10:41] schestowitz[TR] it has been largely the same for well over a decade, way before microsoft even touched it [10:41] MinceR :> [10:41] MinceR fucking TianoCore [10:41] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: It's actually possible to build UEFI firmware with no Microsoft code [10:41] psydruid a MICROS~1 tool does [10:41] reptilian_thrills schestowitz[TR]: When did you graduate? <- ask the registrar [10:41] MinceR yeah, i know, it says intHell on it everywhere [10:42] reptilian_thrills with no Microsoft code <- yeah but who pushed for it [10:42] MinceR it's merely a coincidence that it uses MICROS~1 formats and practices _everywhere_ [10:42] reptilian_thrills schestowitz[TR]: When did you graduate? <- ask the registrar <- this is a great idea [10:42] MinceR like PE and FAT and keeping the hw clock set to local time [10:42] mjg59_ Yeah you're stuck with a shitload of Intel code [10:42] MinceR 08 114145 < mjg59_> reptilian_thrills: It's actually possible to build UEFI firmware with no Microsoft code [10:42] mjg59_ And Microsoft specs [10:42] MinceR yeah, it's possible to implement the spec on your own [10:42] MinceR nobody does. [10:43] mjg59_ But you don't need to use Microsoft code [10:43] MinceR and it isn't even practical [10:43] mjg59_ MinceR: u-boot has a spec-compliant implementation that uses no Tiano [10:43] reptilian_thrills /me would rather like to boycott uefi altogether [10:43] MinceR UEFI is such a gargantuan ball of bloat it would take forever [10:43] *MinceR would like to boycott it too [10:43] *psydruid boycotts UEFI altogether [10:44] reptilian_thrills ACTION boycotts UEFI altogether <- with what? [10:44] MinceR along with the likes of IME, PSP, TZ and ThreadX [10:44] MinceR but i can't, because mjg59_'s benefactors killed our industry. [10:44] psydruid on my ARM SBC I use u-boot [10:44] schestowitz[TR] haha [10:44] mjg59_ Everyone should be free to run the firmware of their choice on their hardware [10:44] schestowitz[TR] I started my thesis 2015 [10:45] psydruid on x86 you're SOL, but I don't care about that architecture [10:45] schestowitz[TR] turns out that's one year after mjg had started a phd [10:45] schestowitz[TR] so I was ahead of him [10:45] schestowitz[TR] and he is abotu 5 years my senior [10:45] MinceR on ARM you're also SOL, afaict [10:45] schestowitz[TR] sorry, I meant 2005 [10:45] schestowitz[TR] not 2015 [10:45] mjg59_ Yeah I quit my first PhD after they hassled me about using SSH [10:45] schestowitz[TR] so a year after he enrolled I already finished all my phd work and focused on the thesis [10:46] mjg59_ And spent a while working on accessibility software [10:46] schestowitz[TR] ok [10:46] mjg59_ And contributing to various free software projects [10:46] mjg59_ And then started another in 2004 [10:46] psydruid ARM is not the end game, but I don't have (fully free) RISC-V hardware yet [10:46] mjg59_ Also a major depressive episode in there [10:46] TR News The need to "Save Ponds" https://therevelator.org/ponds-biodiversity-climate/ | Source: The Revelator [10:46] TR Bot Why Scientists Are Rallying to Save Ponds The Revelator [10:46] MinceR makes me wonder if they were actually free software projects [10:46] MinceR or just open source licensed ones [10:47] MinceR systemd doesn't respect our freedom [10:47] mjg59_ But got through all of that and was lucky enough to get into another PhD program [10:47] MinceR UEFI doesn't respect our freedom [10:47] psydruid still not having to deal with UEFI is a plus for me [10:47] MinceR shithub doesn't respect our freedom [10:47] reptilian_thrills makes me wonder if they were actually free software projects <- even roy likes his acpi work [10:47] MinceR gnome doesn't respect our freedom [10:47] TR News "Freedom of Information Act" https://www.propublica.org/article/johnson-amendment-violation-examples too bad Pro Publica takes bribes from Bill Gates, who opposes transparency and relishes in bribery [10:47] TR Bot 20 Examples of Johnson Amendment Violations, Experts Say ProPublica [10:47] MinceR acpi doesn't respect our freedom either [10:47] reptilian_thrills yeah but that wasnt mjgs fault [10:48] TR News Alaa https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/11/eff-award-winner-alaa-abd-el-fattah | Source: EFF [10:48] TR Bot EFF Award Winner: Alaa Abd El-Fattah | Electronic Frontier Foundation [10:48] MinceR hell, afaik your kernel pretty much _has_ to pretend it's Backdoors if you want the hardware to work at all [10:48] MinceR but no antitrust action was taken [10:48] MinceR because the governments support the megacorporations that killed our industry. [10:48] reptilian_thrills antitrust and war crimes tribunals dont work on its basically microsoft [10:49] MinceR and while they claim to take our sovereignty in part to uphold an alleged free market, the free market continues to be absent. [10:49] reptilian_thrills only a revolution could hope to stop them [10:49] psydruid killing that industry is not a bad thing? [10:49] mjg59_ I'll admit that I've taken the side of "Make this work so people can benefit" rather than "Pretend it's impossible so maybe a court will take our side" [10:49] reptilian_thrills killing that industry is not a bad thing? <- only wishing them death :) [10:49] psydruid maybe that industry should just die? [10:49] MinceR if we had a replacement, it wouldn't be [10:49] MinceR but making an integrated circuit at home is _hard_ [10:50] reptilian_thrills I'll admit that I've taken the side of "Make this work so people can benefit" rather than "Pretend it's impossible so maybe a court will take our side" <- there are pros and cons of both approaches [10:50] MinceR and in the end, we'll all die anyway because the human species is a fucking failure [10:50] reptilian_thrills the con of your approach is they get to keep changing the rules and we dance for them [10:50] psydruid making an integrated circuit at home should become dead simple [10:50] mjg59_ It's cool, we'll replace existing hardware with improved Z80s running code that only builds with tcc [10:50] MinceR we'll die out as a species, not only as individuals [10:50] psydruid that's the kind of industry I want [10:50] reptilian_thrills It's cool, we'll replace existing hardware with improved Z80s running code that only builds with tcc <- if not for this channel, that w3ould be a strawman :) [10:51] MinceR i doubt i can afford to even do the Z80 thing, as the thing my X60s is too slow to run definitely won't run on a Z80 [10:51] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: If someone came up with a coherent strategy to prevent the corporations from just changing the rules I'd go with that, but that's not what's been presented [10:51] MinceR plus i don't like having application errors corrupt kernel memory [10:51] reptilian_thrills but that's not what's been presented <- freedom is taken more often than its agreed upon [10:51] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: And in the absence of that, I'd rather ensure that people can take advantage of what's available rather than deny them that in the hope that in the future we'll find a better way [10:52] mjg59_ If someone convinces me there's a better way? I'm on it. [10:52] reptilian_thrills i would say that sometimes its better to refuse to play by their rules [10:52] reptilian_thrills than to make everything work their way [10:52] MinceR for that, you don't have to pretend what you're helping to support is actually an improvement over what it replaces [10:52] reptilian_thrills note i said sometimes [10:52] mjg59_ If it were just me, sure [10:52] reptilian_thrills especially if its not just you [10:52] MinceR you don't have to advertise how great and "secure" it is, when it isn't [10:53] mjg59_ But it's "Can people buy a laptop that's on the market and run a Free OS on it" [10:53] psydruid it's better to not use devices than to use backdoored and malicious ones [10:53] MinceR you don't have to pretend it wasn't invented to strengthen MICROS~1's stranglehold on the ruins of the IT industry either. [10:53] MinceR but all this should be trivial for dr. supragenius [10:53] reptilian_thrills it's better to not use devices than to use backdoored and malicious ones <- mostly yes, as a rule yes [10:53] mjg59_ Cool we can insist that you don't get to benefit from free software unless you buy a specific Chinese MIPS laptop [10:53] reptilian_thrills im crazy enough to consider exceptions. but they should be exceptions [10:53] MinceR 08 115301 < mjg59_> But it's "Can people buy a laptop that's on the market and run a Free OS on it" [10:54] MinceR sure you can, as long as you don't mind a ton of really crappy nonfree code also running on it [10:54] reptilian_thrills we can insist that you don't get to benefit from free software unless you buy a specific Chinese MIPS laptop <- that was never the position of the fsf [10:54] reptilian_thrills again youre doing the framing thing [10:54] mjg59_ Sure I'm exaggerating for effect [10:54] MinceR and maybe having to take the thing apart with torx screwdrivers and spudgers so you can make it boot [10:54] TR News Radiation https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/dosimetry-measuring-radiation/ | Source: Hackaday [10:54] TR Bot Measuring Radiation | Hackaday [10:54] MinceR this was all easier before UEFI [10:54] mjg59_ But some of that is the FSF framing a certain level of non-free code as acceptable under certain circumstances [10:54] MinceR and more reliable [10:55] reptilian_thrills Sure I'm exaggerating for effect <- youre too good at it. you know if you do it often enough they make you a senator. some people (even you) might consider that even worse than working for microsoft [10:55] MinceR the FSF pretends that there's only Total Lack of Freedom and Perfect Freedom [10:55] psydruid exaggerating for maximum distraction [10:55] MinceR and they lump a lot of crap in the latter that doesn't belong there [10:55] mjg59_ Urrrgh I promise you as someone who has dealt with BIOS that UEFI is not significantly worse [10:55] TR News Disinformation https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/11/turkeys-new-disinformation-law-spells-trouble-free-expression | EFF endorsing Microsoft (DDG) crap is ALSO "Disinformation" [10:55] TR Bot Turkey's New Disinformation Law Spells Trouble For Free Expression | Electronic Frontier Foundation [10:55] reptilian_thrills the FSF pretends <- that it still exists [10:55] MinceR "i promise you" as someone who's been running free OS-es on PC-s for decades that UEFI is significantly worse [10:56] MinceR i never had to take apart a non-UEFI PC to make it bootable again. [10:56] reptilian_thrills But some of that is the FSF framing a certain level of non-free code as acceptable under certain circumstances <- that one bothers a lot of people, including me [10:56] reptilian_thrills ive made a devils advocate argument for it [10:56] MinceR i never had to try to use a jumper or to disconnect a battery to erase BIOS settings before UEFI either. [10:56] mjg59_ I'm running UEFI on this machine that involves literally the same amount of non-free software that BIOS would use on this machine [10:56] reptilian_thrills but its a strategic argument based on things chnaging [10:56] TR News "As of today, nodejs14 as well as any older nodejs versions will no longer receive updates in openSUSE Leap 15.4." https://news.opensuse.org/2022/11/07/nodejs14-eol-leap/ | Source: OpenSUSE [10:56] TR Bot No more updates for nodejs14, below in Leap 15.4 - openSUSE News [10:56] MinceR the first PC i've ever had that has no CSM, i had to take apart and disconnect the SSD so i could unbrick it [10:57] MinceR and the firmware bug is still there [10:57] reptilian_thrills i never had to take apart a non-UEFI PC to make it bootable again. <- ive never bricked a bios without literally frying a component [10:57] MinceR and if some malicious software were to create one efivar for every M.2 port and for every USB port, it would be completely bricked. [10:57] TR News "Late last week, Z-Library lost control over its main domain names." https://torrentfreak.com/z-library-aftermath-reveals-that-the-feds-seized-dozens-of-domain-names-221107/ | Source: Torrent Freak [10:57] TR Bot Aftermath Reveals The Feds Seized Dozens of Domain Names * TorrentFreak [10:57] mjg59_ Yeah, and I've had to deal with reinstalling grub because I moved a hard drive and it ended up with a different BIOS boot number [10:57] MinceR and if it did have CSM, i could boot it in such a way that software wouldn't have access to efivars [10:57] MinceR but it doesn't, so i can't [10:58] reptilian_thrills and it ended up with a different BIOS boot number <- doesnt grub have a mode that lets you fix that by simply typing something [10:58] mjg59_ Ignoring all the bullshit with grub skipping the BIOS entry point so you couldn't use EDD to identify drive numbers before installing it [10:58] MinceR you can reinstall grub by booting off USB [10:58] MinceR my laptop wouldn't boot off USB [10:58] MinceR the firmware would crash before i could tell it to, or enter setup. [10:58] mjg59_ So you literally couldn't install grub correctly without making guesses about the BIOS [10:58] MinceR because UEFI is an overcomplicated piece of shit that nobody could make work properly [10:58] mjg59_ And, then, well, lilo [10:58] mjg59_ Fucking joke of a bootloader [10:58] reptilian_thrills had to start somewhere [10:59] mjg59_ Yeah, but should have been dead by 1993 [10:59] psydruid BIOS is a crappy implementation of a system firmware [10:59] mjg59_ Look BIOS fucking sucked [10:59] MinceR also, afaict the whole bullshit about "you don't get to enter setup" is also a UEFI "feature" [10:59] reptilian_thrills the bootsector did what originally [10:59] TR News iophk: [devuan-based peppermint] still no torrent. all the download files should have been in place days ago https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://www.muylinux.com/2022/11/07/peppermint-debian-devuan/ [10:59] TR Bot Peppermint asienta sus cambios con un nuevo lanzamiento [10:59] psydruid UEFI is an even crappier one [10:59] reptilian_thrills it was more of a pointer [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 [10:59] mjg59_ We shouldn't romanticise it [10:59] psydruid this industry just loves selling mediocre crap [10:59] mjg59_ It was no Open Firmware [10:59] mjg59_ Nobody ever wrote a song about BIOS ● Nov 08 [11:00] reptilian_thrills george washington sucked. thankfully now we have trump, biden and pnac [11:00] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:00] MinceR you shouldn't romanticise UEFI [11:00] TR News iophk: canonical ought to be out making hay with this www.computerworld.com/article/3678853/for-windows-8-the-end-is-near.html [11:00] mjg59_ If they had it would be 150 bpm death metal and at the end you get sprayed with blood [11:00] MinceR UEFI is badly designed, badly implemented and the whole intention behind it is evil [11:00] TR News iophk: fails to even mention Linux Mint or any other GNU/Linux distro www.pcworld.com/article/398720/best-free-antivirus.html [11:00] reptilian_thrills Nobody ever wrote a song about BIOS <- they did though [11:00] MinceR so, UEFI is like systemd [11:00] reptilian_thrills it was two beeps [11:01] reptilian_thrills not much of a song [11:01] *techuser (~techuser@ws2bs482xtmk6.irc) has joined #techrights [11:01] MinceR it exists to take our freedom away [11:01] MinceR reptilian_thrills: they should have gotten hp to do it [11:01] mjg59_ A lot of UEFI's bullshit is because of x86 architectural design (and, uh, to be fair ACPI) [11:01] reptilian_thrills not to take it away [11:01] TR News ZDNet trying not to smear GNU/Linux this one time https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-is-not-just-for-developers-and-command-line-pros/ [11:01] TR Bot is not just for developers and command line pros | ZDNET [11:01] MinceR they made their UEFI firmware play a little song when you enter the admin password [11:01] reptilian_thrills to NUDGE it towards corporate freedom in lieu of ours [11:01] mjg59_ You have two phases of UEFI because on system resume you need to re-init the hardware before passing control back to the OS [11:01] MinceR they couldn't make "legacy" boot entries actually work, though [11:01] reptilian_thrills like a bulldozer [11:01] MinceR but, you know, they did the important part. [11:01] TR News This is an attack on GNU/Linux users; they get to CLAIMS it's "supported" in Linux (not really) https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-teams-pwa-is-now-available-on-linux/ [11:01] TR Bot Microsoft Teams PWA is now available on Linux - Neowin [11:02] mjg59_ So there's the "Init enough for the OS" phase, which on initial boot is then followed by "Init enough for the bootloader" [11:02] TR News iophk: probably tied to bayer/monsanto cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/microsoft-launches-project-on-agri-tech-in-baramati/95368887 [11:02] mjg59_ And in BIOS there was no clear distinction between those, so implementations were just weird [11:02] reptilian_thrills (and, uh, to be fair ACPI <- i like that acpi sucks so hard that it actually made FUTURE encroachments on users worse [11:02] MinceR most of the UEFI's bullshit is because it is MICROS~1's vehicle for Restricted Boot, which was invented to lock our PCs into Backdoors [11:02] mjg59_ Oh all the worst bits of UEFI predate that [11:03] TR News iophk: twitter only ever used "verification" as endorsement [11:03] reptilian_thrills most of the UEFI's bullshit is because it is MICROS~1's vehicle for Restricted Boot <- is it? i thought because it was an overengineered bloated piece of shit [11:03] MinceR yeah, they didn't brag about their intentions early on [11:03] mjg59_ That didn't turn up in the spec at all until 2010, and by then we were already fucked [11:03] MinceR what a fucking surprise, that. [11:03] TR News The musk falls off https://boingboing.net/2022/11/07/elon-musk-uses-twitter-to-tell-independents-vote-for-a-republican.html [11:03] TR Bot Elon Musk uses Twitter to tell Independents: "Vote for a Republican" | Boing Boing [11:03] MinceR and i'm expected to be naive about this [11:03] mjg59_ UEFI is a perfect example of how companies like Intel promote people [11:03] TR News windows tco nytimes.com/2022/11/07/business/cuny-jobs-tech.html [11:03] MinceR "oh, hey, i know MICROS~1 has done everything they could to take all your freedom away, but JUST THIS ONE TIME it's different, i swear!" [11:03] MinceR fuck you. [11:04] MinceR and fuck intHell too. [11:04] reptilian_thrills JUST THIS ONE TIME it's differen <- ofc [11:04] MinceR they couldn't even be bothered to support some sane filesystem or executable formate. [11:04] MinceR s/ate/at/ [11:04] MinceR it has to be blatantly ALL MICROS~1 ALL THE WAY [11:04] mjg59_ Those design decisions come from the 90s [11:04] MinceR and i'm supposed to believe it wasn't designed to screw me [11:04] MinceR "design decision" is giving them too much credit [11:05] TR News aclu https://www.aclu-tn.org/aclu-tn-victorious-lawsuit-protect-davidson-county-voters-wake-ballot-errors/ [11:05] reptilian_thrills "oh, hey, i know MICROS~1 has done everything they could to take all your freedom away, but JUST THIS ONE TIME it's different <- https://www.angryflower.com/384.html [11:05] TR Bot ACLU-TN Victorious in Lawsuit to Protect Davidson County Voters in Wake of Ballot Errors - ACLU of Tennessee [11:05] MinceR also, wasn't the big selling point about UEFI how "modern" and new and shiny and "hip" and "cool" it was? [11:05] TR Bot Bob the Angry Flower - Good Hitler [11:05] mjg59_ At the point they were designing EFI, Linux just wasn't an enterprise thing [11:05] MinceR but it was impossible to improve on design decisions from the 90s? [11:05] mjg59_ What *was* a thing was proprietary UNIX [11:05] MinceR yeah, how MICROS~1 and dehomag regret that it isn't anymore [11:05] mjg59_ And HP and IBM and SGI just went along with that [11:06] MinceR 3 whole OS vendors? [11:06] MinceR unthinkable today. [11:06] mjg59_ The same vendors who'd tried to get Windows NT running on their hardware [11:06] mjg59_ So they were all already friendly with using MS specs [11:06] MinceR today MICROS~1 gets to show its siamese twin crApple to the government and say, "see, we _do_ have competition!" [11:06] MinceR and then they get to do to us whatever they feel like. [11:06] mjg59_ Linux was still trying to support SMP [11:07] mjg59_ If it had happened even like three years later, things would probably have looked very different [11:07] mjg59_ But free software just didn't have a seat at the table then [11:07] MinceR it never did [11:07] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [11:07] MinceR it still doesn't [11:07] MinceR systemd/Linux is not free software [11:07] mjg59_ A shitload of UEFI design decisions since then have been driven by free software [11:07] reptilian_thrills free software just didn't have a seat at the table then <- but microsoft has seats at lf and osi [11:07] reptilian_thrills and every distro the fsf promotes except one [11:07] MinceR yeah [11:08] MinceR specifically by the desire to _extinguish_ free software [11:08] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: Whoever gets there first and still survives tends to maintain influence in a wider space [11:08] MinceR we can't buy a PC without UEFI specifically to make it more difficult or impossible to run free software on a PC [11:08] MinceR occasionally MICROS~1 even admitted this [11:08] MinceR in email, they talked about "whacking" dHell for offering another OS as a preinstalled option [11:09] reptilian_thrills Whoever gets there first and still survives tends to maintain influence in a wider space <- stating a fact doesnt make it good (or even inevitable) [11:09] mjg59_ Eh the primary economic reason was that it was getting increasingly hard to find people who could write x86 assembly [11:09] reptilian_thrills thats just the way it is [11:09] MinceR did this make the government of the USA do anything to make the PC OS market free? fuck no. [11:09] mjg59_ Vendors were happy to shift to an environment where they could hire C programmers [11:09] reptilian_thrills some thingsll never change [11:09] MinceR they took people's money and freedom and gave nothing for it. [11:09] MinceR the "social contract" is a fucking scam, always was. [11:10] reptilian_thrills antisocial [11:10] TR News "Want to get the Wii U emulator Cemu working on Linux? It's now a little easier, as they've providing an AppImage" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/cemu-emulator-for-wii-u-now-provides-an-appimage/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [11:10] TR Bot emulator for Wii U now provides an AppImage | GamingOnLinux [11:10] MinceR i can still write x86 assembly [11:10] TR News "GE-Proton is the community-maintained version of the Windows compatibility layer Proton" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/ge-proton-7-39-released-improving-overwatch-2-for-steam-deck-linux/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [11:10] TR Bot 7-39 released improving Overwatch 2 for Steam Deck & Linux | GamingOnLinux [11:11] reptilian_thrills Whoever gets there first and still survives tends to maintain influence in a wider space <- at a certain point this violates antitrust law, but its hard to find unicorns these days [11:11] psydruid I can do so too, I'd rather prefer not to [11:11] MinceR i'd rather write x86 assembly than give money for hardware i don't get to own [11:11] reptilian_thrills the beatings will continue until the free hardware movement improves [11:11] psydruid I'd rather write RISC-V assembly [11:12] mjg59_ And yet we exist in a capitalist society [11:12] *techuser (~techuser@cd8i9z2wmgmrn.irc) has joined #techrights [11:12] MinceR and what do you mean by that? [11:12] reptilian_thrills And yet we exist in a capitalist society <- which is bollocks [11:12] TR News "Recently, I ran two different polls to find out how people with a Steam Deck used their device (or if they didn't much) and the results are out now" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/surprising-probably-no-one-most-people-use-the-steam-deck-as-a-handheld/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [11:12] TR Bot probably no one, most people use the Steam Deck as a handheld | GamingOnLinux [11:13] reptilian_thrills /me doesnt think capitalism and free software can coexist [11:13] reptilian_thrills okay, fuck capitalism then [11:13] psydruid "you'll have to buy our hardware, it's our way or the highway" [11:13] *MinceR doesn't think it's productive to use "capitalism" without a solid definition [11:13] reptilian_thrills doesnt think capitalism and free software can coexist <- used to, ask me what happened [11:13] reptilian_thrills ACTION doesn't think it's productive to use "capitalism" without a solid definition [11:13] reptilian_thrills d [11:13] reptilian_thrills <- there is one, you reject it [11:13] schestowitz[TR] i think it's mistaking different domension [11:14] MinceR no, there are a million [11:14] schestowitz[TR] capitalism is not against sharing [11:14] schestowitz[TR] frree sofwtare is for sharing [11:14] MinceR and there's never any indication of which one people are using [11:14] reptilian_thrills i think it's mistaking <- no it isnt [11:14] schestowitz[TR] software existed underc capitalism while schilars shared [11:14] schestowitz[TR] universities that wewr capitalist [11:14] reptilian_thrills capitalism is not against sharing <- of course it is [11:14] MinceR ...at the moment [11:14] psydruid and yet we exist in a capitalist prison, just don't try to break out of it [11:15] reptilian_thrills capitalism is not against sharing <- this is beside the point anyway [11:15] reptilian_thrills capitalism concentrates power [11:15] schestowitz[TR] right [11:15] schestowitz[TR] that's an issue [11:15] reptilian_thrills this is at oodds with why free software exists [11:15] schestowitz[TR] but let's focus on what capitalism states or stands for [11:15] reptilian_thrills ut let's focus on what capitalism states or stands for <- how about no [11:15] reptilian_thrills how about instead, we look at what it actually does [11:15] reptilian_thrills and why that means it cant coexist with free software [11:15] schestowitz[TR] I don't think capitalism stands for monopoly either [11:16] schestowitz[TR] but de facto modern capitalism seems to [11:16] psydruid capitalism had to curb free software and did so [11:16] reptilian_thrills capitalism had to curb free software and did so <- to me thats enough reason [11:16] mjg59_ What I mean is that yes I'd rather we had differnt and more equitable outcomes, but we don't get to simply get those outcomes because a bunch of people with more money have more influence in them [11:17] psydruid but it was also free software's flaw to be so easy to control [11:17] mjg59_ What I *will* say is that free software has had a louder voice in some of these decision making processes than I expected [11:17] reptilian_thrills 1. look at what capitalism did to watson, ballmer and musk 2. look at what it did to manning, assange and stallman [11:17] schestowitz[TR] LT had CNN pulls this trap on him [11:17] reptilian_thrills i dont know what else you even need to know about this [11:17] schestowitz[TR] asking if he was a socialist or something [11:17] schestowitz[TR] because of his father he needs to be cautious answering that [11:17] MinceR i am against sharing my home with random strangers [11:17] MinceR i guess that makes me a bad person [11:17] psydruid something that is truly owned and written by the masses can never be controlled [11:17] reptilian_thrills unfortunately, stallman is barely a socialist [11:17] mjg59_ Like, free software isn't incompatible with capitalism [11:17] mjg59_ But it's running at a disadvantage [11:18] MinceR i am also against sharing my personal workstation with random strangers [11:18] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: that's "property rights" [11:18] reptilian_thrills free software isn't incompatible with capitalism <- no, capitalism is just incompatible with humanity and anything sustainable [11:18] MinceR as it's a means of production, that probably makes me even more of a bad person [11:18] schestowitz[TR] not ther same as the financial system [11:18] schestowitz[TR] more like governance principle [11:18] MinceR 08 121710 < mjg59_> What I *will* say is that free software has had a louder voice in some of these decision making processes than I expected [11:18] reptilian_thrills i am also against sharing my personal workstation with random strangers <- thats personal property, even most communists dont have an issue with that [11:18] MinceR i guess that's what MICROS~1 paid you to say [11:19] MinceR while they got everything they wanted until there was backlash against one of their Backdoors logo sticker requirements [11:19] schestowitz[TR] reptilian_thrills: clown computing [11:19] MinceR which set them back for a short bit [11:19] TR News "SCS Soft have announced the big American Truck Simulator - Texas DLC will be releasing on November 15th." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/american-truck-simulator-texas-releases-on-november-15th/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [11:19] TR Bot Truck Simulator - Texas releases on November 15th | GamingOnLinux [11:20] TR News "Plot of the Druid has released featuring some more sarcastic British humour" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/comedy-point-and-click-adventure-plot-of-the-druid-is-now-in-early-access/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [11:20] TR Bot point and click adventure Plot of the Druid is now in Early Access | GamingOnLinux [11:20] MinceR > humanity and anything sustainable [11:20] MinceR humanity is not sustainable [11:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [11:20] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: depends [11:20] MinceR even the corpses won't last forever [11:20] MinceR neither will the monuments [11:20] schestowitz[TR] as hunter gatherers I think we stood better chance at LONG-TERM sruvival [11:21] MinceR yeah [11:21] schestowitz[TR] even if humans didn't live long back then [11:21] MinceR we could get close to the point when the Sun blows away our atmosphere and dries up our oceans [11:21] schestowitz[TR] poking sticks at fruit and animals [11:21] MinceR as we stand now, we won't get nearly as close [11:21] reptilian_thrills as hunter gatherers I think we stood better chance at LONG-TERM sruvival <- well, no [11:21] mjg59_ MinceR: I know it's an easy opinion to hold, but seriously, MS has not paid me to say anything [11:21] reptilian_thrills because without civilisation we probably never would have developed the means to escape the sun exploding [11:21] schestowitz[TR] instead of building mega-platforms that suck trillions of litres of oil from under the ground [11:22] MinceR if humans were as intelligent as they advertise themselves (parallel with mjg59_), we'd have a chance of leaving the planet before the Sun kills us, and we could spread between multiple solar systems [11:22] mjg59_ MinceR: I appreciate that it may involve you thinking less of me, but I promise that I hold these opinions for free [11:22] reptilian_thrills not that i love civilisation, its basically a nice way to say colonialism [11:22] MinceR reptilian_thrills: yeah, civilization would be nice to have [11:22] reptilian_thrills reptilian_thrills: yeah, civilization would be nice to hav <- ah, then it wouldnt be civilisation [11:23] MinceR it isn't [11:23] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: I don't remember how long we have until the SUn expands, but it's a LOT [11:23] reptilian_thrills and if it was, it wouldnt be [11:23] schestowitz[TR] from memory, the planet is 4 billion years [11:23] schestowitz[TR] life about 1 billion [11:23] schestowitz[TR] and humans 150,000 [11:23] reptilian_thrills but it's a LOT <- you said LONG TERM you didnt say how long [11:23] schestowitz[TR] depends on what "counts" as human [11:23] MinceR schestowitz[TR]: about 1 billion years until we're without an atmosphere, about 5 until the Earth's current orbit is absorbed by the Sun [11:23] schestowitz[TR] and sun expands in billions of years from now [11:23] schestowitz[TR] maybe 6? [11:24] MinceR 5 [11:24] reptilian_thrills about 1 billion years until we're without an atmosphere <- so we should probably get moving [11:24] MinceR it probably starts before then [11:24] schestowitz[TR] ok, I checked a while ago [11:24] schestowitz[TR] it was 6 billions then [11:24] MinceR we should have gotten moving a few decades ago [11:24] schestowitz[TR] nit's 5 now [11:24] reptilian_thrills the good news is i think we can get out of the solar system [11:24] schestowitz[TR] I ages a little ;-) [11:24] schestowitz[TR] *aged [11:24] mjg59_ It's cool, Elon says we'll be on Mars by the end of the year [11:24] reptilian_thrills the bad news is, we had to bomb japan first [11:24] MinceR we should have at least stopped boiling ourselves on a planet we can't escape [11:24] MinceR but no [11:24] MinceR yeah, elon can suffocate on mars by the end of the year [11:24] reptilian_thrills we should have at least stopped boiling ourselves on a planet we can't escape <- still possible [11:24] MinceR we can't even fix earth and elon is dreaming about terraforming mars [11:24] MinceR laughable. [11:25] reptilian_thrills self-driving mars [11:25] schestowitz[TR] it's posing for attention [11:25] schestowitz[TR] why rich people speaak about space [11:25] mjg59_ I'm willing to believe that climate change is going to destroy existing civilisation and result in billions of deaths [11:25] schestowitz[TR] (even ones who don't grasp basic science) [11:25] schestowitz[TR] 1) vanity/status [11:25] schestowitz[TR] 2) hobby [11:25] mjg59_ I doubt it'll actually wipe out humanity [11:25] MinceR it can't, because we can't build civilization until then [11:25] schestowitz[TR] 3) attention [11:25] schestowitz[TR] 4) legacy [11:25] reptilian_thrills I'm willing to believe that climate change is going to destroy existing civilisation and result in billions of deaths <- it could do that [11:25] MinceR and global warming isn't the only thing we're doing to ourselves [11:26] schestowitz[TR] 5) fantasy about eternal life, connected to narcissism (they need to stand out SOMEHOW) [11:26] schestowitz[TR] travling to mares is infeasable atm [11:26] MinceR we developed WMDs and handed them out to religious fundamentalist zealots whose religion "teaches" them not to mind everybody dying [11:26] schestowitz[TR] for humans [11:26] schestowitz[TR] even just getting there is hard [11:26] mjg59_ The worst case scenarios still result in habitable portions of the world - unless it triggers apocalyptic military conflict for those, people will survive [11:26] schestowitz[TR] staying there is a lot harder [11:26] schestowitz[TR] coming back almost impossible [11:26] MinceR we developed all the ideologies that suggest that we should split humanity into 2 factions, have one kill the other off, and repeat [11:26] schestowitz[TR] you need a rocket just to get out of its gravty [11:26] schestowitz[TR] so you need a rocket to carry another rokcte [11:27] schestowitz[TR] for the round trip [11:27] reptilian_thrills The worst case scenarios still result in habitable portions of the world <- as long as theres an atmosphere [11:27] schestowitz[TR] the whole thing is sci-fi BS [11:27] MinceR i wonder what the habitable portion will be in global nuclear winter [11:27] schestowitz[TR] while people go broke and hungary at home [11:27] schestowitz[TR] hungry [11:27] schestowitz[TR] or hungary [11:27] MinceR some part of the atmosphere above the soot? [11:27] mjg59_ We could set fire to pretty much everything and there'd still be enough oxygen to sustain life [11:27] schestowitz[TR] almost the same thing now [11:27] schestowitz[TR] thanks, orban [11:27] reptilian_thrills the whole thing is sci-fi BS <- thats what they say about the moon landing too [11:28] reptilian_thrills even after it was accomplished [11:28] MinceR some people still say it was faked [11:28] MinceR because humanity is a failure [11:28] mjg59_ I want to make it clear that the fact that we're the sort of people who are sitting on IRC right now means we're probably not going to be in the set of people who survive [11:28] schestowitz[TR] the whole thing is sci-fi BS <- thats what they say about the moon landing too [11:28] schestowitz[TR] which part? [11:28] MinceR that's easy to say [11:28] schestowitz[TR] the soviets crashing objects into the moon? [11:28] MinceR since that set is the empty set [11:28] schestowitz[TR] or the US sending a man there [11:28] schestowitz[TR] or several [11:28] schestowitz[TR] after soviets sent a dog to space [11:29] schestowitz[TR] lykha [11:29] schestowitz[TR] iirc, it died [11:29] schestowitz[TR] like putin's army [11:29] mjg59_ But you don't need *that* many people to have a wide enough gene pool to repopulate over a sufficiently long time [11:29] reptilian_thrills or the US sending a man ther <- the moon landing in july 1969 [11:29] reptilian_thrills But you don't need *that* many people to have a wide enough gene pool to repopulate over a sufficiently long time <- consolation prize [11:29] schestowitz[TR] yeah, but it was a short an expensive trip [11:29] reptilian_thrills it would be nice to save humanity without destroying it first [11:30] schestowitz[TR] fly, take selfies, hop around, take some "video in portrait mode", fly back [11:30] MinceR and even if that happens, that's still a gene pool that consists of human genes [11:30] MinceR so, still doomed to fail [11:30] schestowitz[TR] all this just to "prove" the pre-gaegan system worked better [11:30] schestowitz[TR] *Reagan [11:30] MinceR still the same defenselessness against memetic pathogens [11:30] MinceR still the same stupidity [11:30] MinceR still the same evilness [11:31] schestowitz[TR] boston uni now develops enhancd covid-19 [11:31] schestowitz[TR] which they say is 50 times more lethal than wuhamn virus [11:31] MinceR still the same incompatibility with the idea of civilization [11:31] schestowitz[TR] just to make a point [11:31] schestowitz[TR] in the lab [11:31] MinceR nice [11:31] schestowitz[TR] not speculation [11:31] MinceR they could wipe us all out and maybe spare some eukaryotes for a while [11:31] schestowitz[TR] they published a paper about how they did it [11:31] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Uh they literally didn't say that [11:31] schestowitz[TR] fist author is chinese name [11:31] schestowitz[TR] which I found ironic [11:31] MinceR unfortunately, SARS-CoV-2 is good at infecting all sorts of mammals [11:31] MinceR so it would probably wipe them all out [11:32] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: they tested on rats [11:32] MinceR but at least plants could survive for a while [11:32] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: 100% of the rats died with original COVID-19 [11:32] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: 80% died with what they produced [11:32] MinceR and all sorts of non-mammal animals [11:32] schestowitz[TR] https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.13.512134v1 [11:32] TR Bot Role of spike in the pathogenic and antigenic behavior of SARS-CoV-2 BA.1 Omicron | bioRxiv [11:33] schestowitz[TR] https://www.jax.org/strain/034860 [11:33] TR Bot 034860 - K18-hACE2 Strain Details [11:33] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: They compared against Omicron - the virus they produced was more effective at killing rats than Omicron was, but less effective than the original strain [11:33] schestowitz[TR] https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/vet_biologics/publications/notice_05_23.pdf [11:33] mjg59_ Dude you have a fucking PhD in biology why are you so bad at this [11:33] reptilian_thrills its not in biology [11:33] reptilian_thrills its in applied statistics [11:34] reptilian_thrills and he doesnt apply them [11:34] schestowitz[TR] not biology [11:34] mjg59_ Ok cool so you're not qualified to talk about biology [11:34] schestowitz[TR] I read half of mg's thesis [11:34] schestowitz[TR] in a hurry [11:34] schestowitz[TR] it's about sequence analysis [11:34] mjg59_ In the same way I'm apparently not qualified to talk about CS [11:34] schestowitz[TR] dna [11:34] schestowitz[TR] I did analysis of brains mostly [11:34] MinceR [11:34] reptilian_thrills In the same way I'm apparently not qualified to talk about CS <- even if you apply it [11:34] schestowitz[TR] image proicessing and statistical analysis of them [11:34] mjg59_ Awesome [11:34] schestowitz[TR] neither of us is a GP [11:34] schestowitz[TR] at least I have a CS degree [11:35] schestowitz[TR] and my phd was done in two facuilties [11:35] schestowitz[TR] inc. CS [11:35] reptilian_thrills fun fact, you have to be able to prescribe medicine to talk about biology. a phd in biology simply wont do [11:35] mjg59_ The BU research was about attempting to identify what aspects of COVID strains in the field related to how serious it was [11:35] schestowitz[TR] I ran large clusters of fedora in the labs overnight [11:35] schestowitz[TR] so it was a lot of programming [11:35] reptilian_thrills medical doctors are the only ones that understand living organisms [11:35] schestowitz[TR] and then orchestrating experiments [11:35] mjg59_ They took a strain of rat that, when exposed to the original Wuhan varient of COVID, died in 100% of cases [11:36] mjg59_ The same rat, when exposed to Omicron, died in far fewer cases [11:36] reptilian_thrills not the exact same one [11:36] schestowitz[TR] Dude you have a fucking PhD in biology [11:36] reptilian_thrills obviously [11:36] schestowitz[TR] medical biophysics [11:36] schestowitz[TR] not biology [11:36] reptilian_thrills unless they had a special lab rat that could die more than once [11:36] reptilian_thrills which would be really useful but probably expensive [11:36] mjg59_ They manipulated synthetic strains of Omicron to attempt to identify which aspects influenced mortality [11:36] schestowitz[TR] and made hybrids [11:37] schestowitz[TR] which were found to be more deadly [11:37] schestowitz[TR] so they gave pointers [11:37] mjg59_ And they found that turning specific bits of Omicron back into the Wuhan varient resulted in the mortaility getting close to the original strain [11:37] schestowitz[TR] to any other lab looking to weaponise the virus [11:37] schestowitz[TR] at risk of also this one coming out of the lab [11:37] schestowitz[TR] in BU [11:37] mjg59_ Which gives us information about what actually makes COVID deadly [11:37] mjg59_ But doesn't let us make it *more* deadly [11:38] mjg59_ Because we already know the sequence of the original strain [11:38] schestowitz[TR] it's a manual for how making enhanced coronavirus [11:38] mjg59_ Anyone who wanted to weaponise it could just use the original strain [11:38] schestowitz[TR] and in the process they recreate or create new strains [11:38] schestowitz[TR] in the lab [11:38] reptilian_thrills /me tries to figure out which doctor is better suited to creating british tabloids [11:38] MinceR what if we wanted it to be more deadly _and_ spread at least as well as omicron, though? [11:38] mjg59_ We don't need to make enhanced coronavirus because they made something that was no more effective than one that already existed! [11:39] schestowitz[TR] btw, lateer oday ONS releases new data [11:39] schestowitz[TR] I really look forward to that every day [11:39] reptilian_thrills We don't need to make enhanced coronavirus because they made something that was no more effective than one that already existed <- or maybe the 5g rays are making you say that [11:39] mjg59_ MinceR: Omicron spreads because of immune evasion of original COVID, not because it's inherently more infectious [11:39] MinceR so what if we wanted it to be more deadly _and_ evade immunity to original SARS-CoV-2? [11:39] mjg59_ That's not what this research presented [11:40] TR News "The team behind OBS Studio announced that AMD have become a Diamond Sponsor of the OBS Project, helping fund future development." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/amd-becomes-a-diamond-sponsor-of-obs-studio/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [11:40] TR Bot becomes a 'Diamond' sponsor of OBS Studio | GamingOnLinux [11:40] *schestowitz[TR] checks uk portals [11:40] mjg59_ But if BU could come up with that in a few months, a government who wanted to could do it much faster [11:40] MinceR indeed [11:40] mjg59_ BU's a fine university [11:40] schestowitz[TR] oh!! It's out already [11:40] schestowitz[TR] 11:40am [11:40] reptilian_thrills ACTION checks uk portals <- aperature science! [11:40] mjg59_ But it's not amazing [11:40] schestowitz[TR] "" [11:40] schestowitz[TR] Release date: [11:40] schestowitz[TR] 08 November 2022 [11:40] schestowitz[TR] https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales [11:40] TR Bot Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics [11:41] MinceR :) [11:41] schestowitz[TR] 49 dead infants in the week [11:41] mjg59_ The BU research didn't make a more deadly COVID, and it doesn't make it meaningfully easier for a bad actor to make a more deadly COVID [11:41] reptilian_thrills plot twist: humanity gets taken over by uefi nanobots instead [11:42] MinceR lol [11:42] schestowitz[TR] I will plot some charts [11:42] MinceR 99% of the software installed on the nanobots is UEFI itself [11:42] reptilian_thrills but at least theyre not bios nanobots [11:42] reptilian_thrills those were fucking tedious [11:42] mjg59_ There's an entirely separate question of whether it was justifiable or ethical research! [11:42] mjg59_ I don't know enough to say [11:42] reptilian_thrills why wouldnt it be ethical? [11:43] reptilian_thrills what problem was there [11:43] MinceR i'm not worried by the knowledge they come up with [11:43] MinceR i'm worried by what this failed species will use it for [11:43] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: Ethics boards are supposed to be involved with live virus research [11:43] mjg59_ Because what if it escapes blah blah blah [11:43] mjg59_ There's some suggestion that the paperwork in this case didn't accurately represent potential outcomes [11:43] mjg59_ I don't know whether that's true [11:44] mjg59_ I haven't read it [11:44] mjg59_ But 11:31 < schestowitz[TR]> which they say is 50 times more lethal than wuhamn virus [11:45] mjg59_ That's just untrue [11:45] reptilian_thrills untruerights [11:45] mjg59_ They produced something *less* lethal than wuhan [11:46] reptilian_thrills when i step in the biolab you know i step correct! WUHAN! WUHAN! i got you all in check! [11:46] schestowitz[TR] getting hand calculator [11:46] MinceR wuhan is lethal mostly because of the stalinist humans in it, not because of viruses :> [11:46] mjg59_ Odd way to talk about masturbation, but ok [11:46] MinceR reptilian_thrills: wuhan clan? [11:46] MinceR lol [11:46] reptilian_thrills aint nothin to fuck with [11:47] mjg59_ Fuck Martin Skrelli [11:47] reptilian_thrills #metoo ? [11:47] schestowitz[TR] NHS and ONS use OOXML [11:47] MinceR PoundMeToo! [11:47] schestowitz[TR] and it's hard to do this properly, maybe that's aprt of the goal [11:47] schestowitz[TR] they also outsource to "Microsoft BI" [11:47] schestowitz[TR] B=bribery [11:48] schestowitz[TR] I="intelligence" as in spying on whistleblower [11:48] reptilian_thrills mjg: what do you think of microsoft co-opting trans rights with their flag thing [11:48] mjg59_ Oh I guess Roy's moved on from defending his obvously false claim [11:48] reptilian_thrills admittedly a loaded question [11:49] MinceR Microsoft <3 trans rights [11:49] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: I will take corporations presenting even token support for groups who are discriminated against over them not doing so [11:49] MinceR (like Linux) [11:49] mjg59_ In the current political climate they're placing themselves at some risk [11:49] reptilian_thrills even token support <- even when it just sells tshirts? [11:49] MinceR mjg59_: and you're not worried they'll do to it what they do to everything they touch? :> [11:49] mjg59_ It's nowhere near as much risk as doing something meaningful [11:49] MinceR lol [11:50] MinceR ever the MICROS~1 apologist [11:50] reptilian_thrills In the current political climate they're placing themselves at some risk <- yeah, i can see a lot of people in trailers and motorcycle clubs moving to apple for this [11:50] mjg59_ But it's still a "Fox News will be mean about us" trade-off [11:50] MinceR lol [11:50] MinceR hasn't crApple done something against LGBT+ people already? [11:50] reptilian_thrills i mean tim cook is gay [11:50] reptilian_thrills is he transphobic? [11:51] mjg59_ So eg Google's SF LGBT group were upset that the corporate group was funding SF Pride even though SF Pride accepted SFPD [11:51] reptilian_thrills /me assumes all these things are one-dimensional, so its actually moot that one gay ceo means nothing regarding policies etc [11:51] MinceR gay people have done horrible things to gay people before [11:51] mjg59_ And the corporate group shut down the local group and threatened to fire them [11:51] MinceR like jozsef szajer [11:52] mjg59_ And yeah that's 100% bullshit [11:52] reptilian_thrills gay people have done horrible things to gay people before <- they still do [11:52] mjg59_ And fucking evil [11:52] mjg59_ SFPD have a long history of beating gay people [11:52] MinceR police officers have a long history of beating people in general, don't they? [11:52] mjg59_ But I'd prefer Google to have funded a bad Pride than refuse to fund a bad Pride because they hated Pride [11:52] MinceR i don't see why they'd check and stop if they encounter one that happens to be gayt [11:53] reptilian_thrills they do target specific groups [11:53] MinceR s/.$// [11:53] MinceR well, they don't target rich and powerful people, i suppose [11:53] reptilian_thrills check and stop if they encounter one that happens to be gay <- probably a group or a couple more likely [11:53] reptilian_thrills which gay club raid by police changed the laws in britain or new york? [11:53] reptilian_thrills or sf? [11:54] mjg59_ It's all a spectrum - spending money to support marginalised groups in reality > spending money to support your idea of a marginalised group > spending money to hurt a marginalised group [11:54] reptilian_thrills there was a famous one [11:54] reptilian_thrills spending money to support your idea of a marginalised group <- next up: google wears dreadlocks [11:55] reptilian_thrills "this is a good idea" [11:55] TR News ONS Released Complete Mortality Data Moments Ago. It Shows Total Deaths Are 16.23% Above Pre-COVID-19 Levels (for the Week). https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/11/08/2022-total-deaths/ [11:55] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: Harvey Milk came after Stonewall, but the White Night riots were still a violent police response to the protests around the sentencing of his murderer [11:55] TR Bot Blog Archive ONS Released Complete Mortality Data Moments Ago. It Shows Total Deaths Are 16.23% Above Pre-COVID-19 Levels (for the Week). [11:55] MinceR apparently crApple banned some "LGBTW+ apps" on the crApp Store [11:55] MinceR a while ago [11:56] reptilian_thrills /me tries to figure out what the w stands for for likw 15 seconds before looking at keyboard layout [11:56] mjg59_ reptilian_thrills: It's about a 10 minute walk from here to the Castro, it's actually still clearly a raw situation [11:56] schestowitz[TR] nothing is worse than such "apps" [11:56] schestowitz[TR] they also banned "drone tracking" apps [11:56] MinceR s/W/Q/ [11:56] reptilian_thrills it's actually still clearly a raw situation <- oh i dont doubt it [11:56] schestowitz[TR] because they interfered with assassinations [11:57] schestowitz[TR] apple: we protect killer drones [11:57] reptilian_thrills i was actually trying to explain why it MIGHT be [11:57] schestowitz[TR] anddd attack helicopters [11:57] MinceR nice [11:57] schestowitz[TR] https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-bans-drone-strike-app-from-app-store-2015-9 [11:57] TR Bot Apple Bans Drone Strike App From App Store [11:57] schestowitz[TR] https://www.vice.com/en/article/538kan/apple-just-banned-the-app-that-tracks-us-drone-strikes-again [11:57] TR Bot Apple Just Banned the App That Tracks US Drone Strikes, Again [11:57] MinceR so if i sexually identify as an attack helicopter, crApple will protect me and my rights? [11:57] schestowitz[TR] https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/apple-bans-drone-strike-app/ [11:57] TR Bot Apple bans drone strike app - Infosecurity Magazine [11:57] schestowitz[TR] https://www.macworld.com/article/669871/apple-bans-drone-attack-tally-app.html [11:57] TR Bot bans drone attack 'tally' app | Macworld [11:57] schestowitz[TR] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/aug/30/apple-blocks-us-drone-strike-app [11:57] TR Bot Apple blocks 'objectionable' app that reports deaths from US drone strikes | Apps | The Guardian [11:57] schestowitz[TR] https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/04/apple-drones-app-banned-petition-steps-up-fight_n_2236434.html [11:57] TR Bot Apple Drones App Banned: Politicians And Campaigners Step Up Fight | HuffPost UK Tech [11:57] schestowitz[TR] sucha lovely company [11:57] schestowitz[TR] protecting people [11:57] schestowitz[TR] from offence [11:58] schestowitz[TR] but not from assassination [11:58] schestowitz[TR] that's typical pentagon toyish plastic "SJW" [11:58] mjg59_ And then in 1989 SFPD beat up a bunch of protestors campaigning about the US government response to AIDS [11:58] schestowitz[TR] "master branch" bad [11:58] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Your company worked for the MoD [11:58] schestowitz[TR] exploiting underage people for work. .. NOT slavery!! [11:58] reptilian_thrills trans people are increasingly allowed to use bathrooms, except in the usual backwards states ofc [11:58] mjg59_ Such a lovely company [11:58] MinceR i thought dr. supragenius made it clear already that offending people or talking about wishing them death was far worse than actually killing them [11:59] reptilian_thrills but i think attack helicopters, like ricky gervais, dont belong in our bathrooms [11:59] mjg59_ If that's the impression I gave, I apologise - I don't believe that [11:59] MinceR well, they wouldn't fit in any of mine [11:59] MinceR my bathrooms are too small :( [11:59] reptilian_thrills for one thing, attack helicopters are much bigger and more dangerous [11:59] MinceR they're not nearly as dangerous as humans [11:59] reptilian_thrills a bit like celebrity itself ● Nov 08 [12:00] mjg59_ Yeah had to have an electrician into my bathroom today because the GFCI kept tripping, definitely couldn't have fit a helicopter in there [12:00] reptilian_thrills gfci be tripping [12:00] MinceR :> [12:01] reptilian_thrills plot twist: the gfci tripped over the uefi [12:01] reptilian_thrills because of the acpi [12:01] mjg59_ Sadly the GFCI tripped over the ground shorting against the neutral in one of the light fittings [12:01] mjg59_ Your version is funnier [12:02] mjg59_ Less probability of death [12:02] reptilian_thrills i mean thats why we have gfci in the first place [12:02] mjg59_ Yeah [12:02] MinceR well, if your GFCI depends on UEFI and ACPI, you're actually in greater danger [12:02] MinceR because neither of those two was engineered to be safe or reliable [12:02] mjg59_ I promise you that I would not suggest either UEFI or ACPI be involved in GFCI [12:03] MinceR :> [12:03] reptilian_thrills no tpm either [12:03] mjg59_ Safety-critical environments should have minimal dependencies [12:03] reptilian_thrills computers: fuck it, lets see what happens [12:04] mjg59_ Hey, I'm helping reduce dependencies in trucks [12:04] MinceR trucks with UEFI? the horror! [12:04] reptilian_thrills keep the wheels, i think those are crucial [12:04] reptilian_thrills linux kernel: where were going we dont need... floppies [12:04] MinceR if hp were to build a truck, the wheels would be nonfunctional [12:05] mjg59_ Ha man Waymo's been on the road with UEFI for years [12:05] MinceR but they'd have a musical horn [12:05] MinceR great [12:05] reptilian_thrills if hp built a truck the engine wouldnt start because it would overheat in .5 seconds [12:05] MinceR as if their higher-level software wasn't dangerous enough on its own [12:06] MinceR maybe UEFI can prevent it from starting and then it can't cause as much damage [12:06] reptilian_thrills if lennart poettering made a truck you could retire after working for a tow service for a year [12:06] MinceR lol [12:06] reptilian_thrills because it would be the only kind of truck on the road [12:07] MinceR provided you could somehow get a tow truck he had nothing to do with [12:07] reptilian_thrills gfci is special [12:07] reptilian_thrills its a more complicated design that makes life LESS miserable instead of more [12:07] reptilian_thrills unless of course youre trying to end your life with the old toaster in the bathtub [12:08] mjg59_ UEFI can actually prevent it from starting [12:08] mjg59_ Having a fully measured boot, including the config, means you can prevent a dev build switching into autonomy [12:08] mjg59_ You just keep a secret that's sealed to production keys [12:09] reptilian_thrills users eventually fix it [12:09] mjg59_ I actually designed that for Waymo [12:09] TR News "The T8 Pro is a MiniPC featuring a 15W Celeron N5095 processor along with Intel UHD Graphics." https://linuxgizmos.com/gateway-minipc-equipped-with-celeron-cpu-and-dual-gbe-ports/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [12:09] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/gateway-minipc-equipped-with-celeron-cpu-and-dual-gbe-ports/ ) [12:09] mjg59_ No idea if they deployed it [12:10] TR News "Nmap is an open source utility for network discovery and security auditing." https://linuxhandbook.com/nmap-scan-ports/ | Source: Linux Handbook [12:10] TR Bot Scanning All or Specified Ports With Nmap [12:10] reptilian_thrills this protects microsoft [12:10] mjg59_ But the point is you don't want an autonomous vehicle to run unless you've validated that it's in the appropriate state [12:10] mjg59_ Otherwise someone will fuck up at some point and the wrong software will be on something that's allowed onto the road [12:10] mjg59_ And that's bad! [12:11] reptilian_thrills i saw that movie [12:11] reptilian_thrills in the 80s it was just silly [12:11] reptilian_thrills but now [12:11] MinceR you probably don't want an autonomous vehicle to run unless it's either in a closed system with non-autonomous vehicles or pedestrians in it or it's a human-level AI developed to standards unattainable by gulag, MICROS~1, dehomag, crApple, intHell, Obstacle and their pals [12:11] mjg59_ We all remember the F8 of the Furious [12:11] reptilian_thrills i was thinking of maximum overdrive :) [12:11] *MinceR presses F8 [12:12] reptilian_thrills /me bets elon musk has a movie poster for maximum overdrive in his office [12:12] reptilian_thrills "hi im stephen king, and im low on cash this year" [12:14] MinceR giving it more thought, it's pretty much impossible with humans to regulate what software is allowed to drive autonomous vehicles without locking them into some badly designed, badly implemented dangerous crap and not giving well engineered free software a chance [12:14] MinceR so the whole thing is probably doomed in our doomed society anyway [12:14] MinceR regulations are written to appease corporations with good access to the government [12:14] reptilian_thrills the new toyota camry: now with funtenna [12:15] reptilian_thrills corporations are against state regulation [12:15] reptilian_thrills not of rivals, just of them specifically [12:15] MinceR corporations are for state regulation that works the way they want it [12:16] MinceR i.e. barring rivals from markets and such [12:16] reptilian_thrills theyre against taxes but not the bailouts they get with tax money: PARADOX! [12:16] MinceR and at this point the suits are probably more wary of engineers making self-driving cars that work well just for fun, for themselves than they are of other corporations [12:17] MinceR well, the government already has some money that they can take [12:17] MinceR after it's all gone, that's a different problem [12:17] MinceR plus they could print money and hand it out [12:17] MinceR didn't they invent a theory that justifies printing money endlessly already? 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Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [12:20] reptilian_thrills Person Facepalming was approved as part of Unicode 9.0 in 2016 under the name "Face Palm" and added to Emoji 3.0 in 2016. [12:21] reptilian_thrills they keep this up and unicode will become self-aware [12:21] MinceR :) [12:21] reptilian_thrills its probably already turing complete [12:21] schestowitz[TR] unicode is a farce now [12:21] schestowitz[TR] it's for "industry" [12:21] schestowitz[TR] and not like proper industry [12:22] schestowitz[TR] more like showbiz [12:22] reptilian_thrills /me remembers when it was just a couple plucky engineers at a bake sale [12:22] MinceR there's no business like show business [12:22] schestowitz[TR] what about monkey businjess? [12:22] MinceR Caleb didn't talk about that [12:22] reptilian_thrills apina.biz? [12:23] reptilian_thrills if you like apina coladas [12:24] schestowitz[TR] Aldrin.biz [12:25] reptilian_thrills i like that yoga was such a formidable threat by the late 70s that you had to specify a dislike for it in a personals ad [12:25] schestowitz[TR] it's a gemini capsule [12:25] schestowitz[TR] with lots of buzz about it [12:25] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DeEH_3BDw [12:25] TR Bot https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=u3DeEH_3BDw [12:25] TR Bot timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=u3DeEH_3BDw ) [12:26] schestowitz[TR] nvidious instances perish fast [12:26] schestowitz[TR] we added the non-clownflare ones [12:26] schestowitz[TR] maybe a time to update the list [12:26] reptilian_thrills clown wars [12:26] reptilian_thrills if there must be wars, please let these clown wars [12:27] reptilian_thrills stay [12:27] schestowitz[TR] invidious.nerdvpn.de [12:27] schestowitz[TR] "Last week, AWS and Microsoft admitted that their customers have realized their CLOWN costs are out of control." https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/02/cloud_magic_era_ends/ | Source: The Register UK [12:27] TR Bot Cloud magic was a nice story, now with an unhappy ending The Register [12:27] schestowitz[TR] Timothy Prickett Morgan shilling clown computing for ICBM, his paymaster (Disclosure: I forgot to mention ICBM bribes us for puff pieces) https://www.itjungle.com/2022/11/07/if-youre-moving-to-the-cloud-first-you-have-to-get-into-the-weeds/ [12:27] TR Bot Readiness Assessment Accelerates Moving IBM i Workloads To The Cloud - IT Jungle [12:28] schestowitz[TR] "why own when you can rent?" (?? [12:28] schestowitz[TR] pay $1000 a year to rent a server you can buy for $1000 to OWN [12:28] reptilian_thrills why rent when you can go to a cafe? [12:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [12:28] reptilian_thrills as long as you keep ordering tea, they keep the server running smoothly [12:28] schestowitz[TR] "why get married?" [12:29] schestowitz[TR] ""why cook?" [12:29] reptilian_thrills home cooking is killing the restaurant industry [12:29] reptilian_thrills AND ITS ILLEGAL [12:29] schestowitz[TR] "why have a toilet? you only use it 0.01% of the time! [12:29] schestowitz[TR] "let's share toilets [12:30] schestowitz[TR] a shared facility at the top of every road [12:30] reptilian_thrills let's share toilets <- works for senators in airports [12:30] schestowitz[TR] Cooking involved owning knives [12:30] schestowitz[TR] and knives kill people [12:30] schestowitz[TR] "let the responsible copyri;.. I mean, restaurant owners handle the knives" [12:31] schestowitz[TR] btw, not kidding but: [12:31] schestowitz[TR] I heard many apartments no longer have a kitchen! [12:31] schestowitz[TR] it's astounding because [12:31] schestowitz[TR] all those years even rented rooms and studios (minimal) came with at least a kitchenette [12:32] schestowitz[TR] not it is seen as a luxuty [12:32] schestowitz[TR] like cooking is some prestigious thing [12:32] reptilian_thrills /me looks up samurai chef but its just a guy at a hibachi bar [12:32] schestowitz[TR] iirc, daemonfc had to gook up some kitchen appliance on the floor/carpet [12:32] schestowitz[TR] just to cook something [12:32] schestowitz[TR] this is "developed country" [12:33] reptilian_thrills im pretty sure bushido doesnt give a shit about an onion volcano, but theres a lot i dont know about feudal japan [12:33] schestowitz[TR] a couple in the 30s cooking on the floor [12:34] schestowitz[TR] a couple with INCOME [12:34] schestowitz[TR] walmart full time [12:34] TR News (NEW): Games: Steam Deck, Truck Simulator, Plot of the Druid, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Games_Steam_Deck_Truck_Simulator_Plot_of_the_Druid_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Games_Steam_Deck_Truck_Simulator_Plot_of_the_Druid_and_More.gmi [12:34] TR Bot Tux Machines Games: Steam Deck, Truck Simulator, Plot of the Druid, and More [12:35] TR News Haha. Free speech, eh, Elon 'the mask fell off'? https://truthout.org/articles/twitter-suspends-comedian-kathy-griffin-after-she-mocks-elon-musk/ | Source: TruthOut [12:35] TR Bot Twitter Suspends Comedian Kathy Griffin After She Mocks Elon Musk [12:35] MinceR (cat) https://www.deviantart.com/furlined/art/Akin-895426623 [12:35] TR Bot by FurLined on DeviantArt [12:35] MinceR the front fell off [12:36] TR News How very Kremlin https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/07/attorney-general-formally-bans-the-collection-of-journalists-records-during-leak-investigations/ | Source: Techdirt [12:36] TR Bot General Formally Bans The Collection Of Journalists Records During Leak Investigations | Techdirt [12:37] TR News Elong demise https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/07/elon-musk-continues-to-speedrun-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/ | Source: Techdirt [12:37] TR Bot Elon Speedrun Continues; Apparently Comedy Is Not Quite Legal On The New Twitter | Techdirt [12:38] TR News "Some news outlets engage in journalism. Others just engage in hype." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/07/deas-rainbow-fentanyl-moral-panic-is-making-broadcasters-politicians-stupider-than-they-already-are/ | Source: Techdirt [12:38] TR Bot Rainbow Fentanyl Moral Panic Is Making Broadcasters, Politicians Stupider Than They Already Are | Techdirt [12:40] TR News Groups Urge Boycott of Twitter https://truthout.org/video/groups-urge-boycott-of-twitter-if-musk-allows-misinformation-to-go-unchecked/ | Source: TruthOut [12:40] TR Bot Groups Urge Boycott of Twitter If Musk Allows Misinformation to Go Unchecked [12:40] MinceR it doesn't have to be illegal for accounts to be banned because of it :> [12:40] schestowitz[TR] they will joinm the "SJW" in boycotting twitter [12:40] schestowitz[TR] or maybe now [12:40] schestowitz[TR] Team SJW is STILL with Musk [12:40] schestowitz[TR] and making excuses for it [12:40] schestowitz[TR] because they never truly stood for anything [12:40] schestowitz[TR] except deflecting for Bill gates [12:40] schestowitz[TR] the other part owner of Twitter [12:41] schestowitz[TR] who also suspends people who use facts against him [12:41] schestowitz[TR] inc. zoobab and me [12:41] MinceR they stand for whoever rewards them [12:41] schestowitz[TR] (even repeatedly) [12:41] MinceR it would be interesting to see a conflict in which both sides use SJW trolls against the other [12:41] schestowitz[TR] (not a coincidence at all; it's a policy in Twiter) [12:42] schestowitz[TR] maybe Musk can use 'Team SJW' to cancel his own critics [12:42] schestowitz[TR] as they attack their 'own' [12:42] mjg59_ Team SJW is absolutely not with Musk [12:42] mjg59_ I have no idea where that comes from [12:43] reptilian_thrills there are only two sides [12:44] reptilian_thrills sjws and corporations vs bloggers and doctors of journalism [12:44] reptilian_thrills musk is on the sjw side ofc [12:44] schestowitz[TR] if you tweet, you work for musk [12:44] schestowitz[TR] if you don't tweet, you don't [12:45] schestowitz[TR] if you delete your account, you erode his "value" [12:45] schestowitz[TR] I did not delete my account [12:45] schestowitz[TR] and did not leave because of him either [12:45] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [12:45] TR News Starlink https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/07/usage-caps-coming-to-starlink-as-capacity-crunch-rears-its-head/ | Source: Techdirt [12:45] TR Bot Caps Coming To Starlink As Capacity Crunch Rears Its Head | Techdirt [12:46] reptilian_thrills when you ride alone, you ride with musk! [12:46] TR News Musk is anagram of skam (almost) and skum [12:46] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [12:47] TR News Good thing we bought a lot of corn last month https://www.democracynow.org/2022/11/7/elon_musk_twitter_layoffs_misinformation_civil | Source: Democracy Now [12:47] TR Bot Musk Fires Half of Twitters Workforce; Rights Orgs Urge Boycott of Superspreader of Misinformation | Democracy Now! [12:48] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [12:48] *techuser (~techuser@fh97d4h4vsb32.irc) has joined #techrights [12:50] reptilian_thrills when you ride alone, you ride with musk! <- but at least youre not part welsh [12:50] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: So are you team SJW or team Musk [12:51] TR News Musk https://www.thenation.com/article/society/musk/ | Source: The Nation [12:51] TR Bot Musk | The Nation [12:51] TR News "Curious to know what others had on their laptops, I asked!" https://opensource.com/article/22/11/laptop-stickers | Source: OpenSource.com [12:51] TR Bot stickers are on your laptop? | Opensource.com [12:52] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: that does not make sense [12:52] schestowitz[TR] wanna know why I quit twitter? [12:52] schestowitz[TR] I covered this many timrs [12:52] schestowitz[TR] *times [12:52] schestowitz[TR] in 2020 I quit replying because http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/ [12:52] TR Bot Social Control Media: Where Cancel Culture Thrives | Techrights [12:53] mjg59_ So why do you work for a company funded by the military [12:54] schestowitz[TR] no, as I said before, I don't know what project it was so it probably predated me [12:54] schestowitz[TR] I joined in 2011 [12:54] schestowitz[TR] you can use wayback machine [12:54] schestowitz[TR] and see what happened and when [12:54] schestowitz[TR] I never worked on anything mod or saw something to do with it [12:54] schestowitz[TR] techrights is critical of mod [12:54] schestowitz[TR] since like 2008 [12:55] schestowitz[TR] https://wikileaks.org/wiki/MoD_%27how_to_stop_leaks%27_document_is_leaked [12:55] TR Bot MoD 'how to stop leaks' document is leaked - WikiLeaks [12:55] schestowitz[TR] "The threat [of leakage] is less likely to arise from positive acts of counter-espionage, than from leakage of information through disaffected members of staff, or as a result of the attentions of an investigative journalist" [12:56] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [12:57] *techuser (~techuser@nn58qcu3qngy2.irc) has joined #techrights [12:58] TR News "Prior to the turn of the century, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals handed down a formative decision that helped craft the contours of Section 230 immunity." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/07/fourth-circuit-goes-on-the-attack-against-section-230-in-a-lawsuit-over-publication-of-third-party-data/ | Source: Techdirt [12:58] TR Bot Circuit Goes On The Attack Against Section 230 In A Lawsuit Over Publication Of Third Party Data | Techdirt [12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Nov 08 [13:01] TR News "omnipresent American theater of social media," https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/11/08/a-rabbis-tales/ | Source: Counter Punch [13:01] TR Bot Rabbis Tales - CounterPunch.org [13:02] TR News "As an aside, my embrace of vaccine mandates was my darkest day as a leftist." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/11/08/white-christian-supremacists-try-to-cancel-kyrie-irving/ | Source: Counter Punch [13:02] TR Bot Christian Supremacists Try To Cancel Kyrie Irving - CounterPunch.org [13:03] TR News (NEW): openSUSE site Aligns with Upstream Documentation http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/openSUSE_site_Aligns_with_Upstream_Documentation.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/openSUSE_site_Aligns_with_Upstream_Documentation.gmi [13:03] TR Bot Tux Machines openSUSE site Aligns with Upstream Documentation [13:15] TR News (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Android_Leftovers.gmi [13:15] TR Bot Tux Machines Android Leftovers [13:15] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@qqashmmai9reg.irc) has joined #techrights [13:18] TR News ODROID-N2L is a smaller, low-cost variant of ODROID-N2+ Arm SBC https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/11/08/odroid-n2l-is-a-smaller-low-cost-variant-of-odroid-n2-arm-sbc/ [13:18] TR Bot ODROID-N2L is a smaller, low-cost variant of ODROID-N2+ Arm SBC - CNX Software [13:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [13:20] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [13:20] TR News Elon Musk Has Put Twitters Free Speech in Danger https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-free-speech-musk-takeover/ [13:20] TR Bot Musk Has Put Twitters Free Speech in Danger | WIRED [13:23] schestowitz[TR] "The threat [of leakage] is less likely to arise from positive acts of counter-espionage, than from leakage of information through disaffected members of staff, or as a result of the attentions of an investigative journalist" [13:32] TR News Larabel turns mere "tweets" into 'articles' https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVK-New-Compiler-Starting [13:32] TR Bot Vulkan Driver Starting Work On New Compiler - Phoronix [13:35] TR News 11,245 - 9,674 (5-year average) = 1,571. 1,571 is 16.23% of 9,674. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/11/08/2022-total-deaths/ [13:35] TR Bot Blog Archive ONS Released Complete Mortality Data Moments Ago. It Shows Total Deaths Are 16.23% Above Pre-COVID-19 Levels (for the Week). [13:36] TR News Perl is out of the list of dependencies https://www.qt.io/blog/perl-is-out-of-the-list-of-dependencies Source: Qt | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.qt.io/blog/perl-is-out-of-the-list-of-dependencies [13:36] TR Bot Perl is out of the list of dependencies [13:37] TR News (NEW): Linux laptop crew Tuxedo releases Stellaris AMD Gen 4 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Linux_laptop_crew_Tuxedo_releases_Stellaris_AMD_Gen_4.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Linux_laptop_crew_Tuxedo_releases_Stellaris_AMD_Gen_4.gmi [13:37] TR Bot Tux Machines Linux laptop crew Tuxedo releases Stellaris AMD Gen 4 [13:39] TR News Billionaires controlling their image https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/11/08/why-do-billionaires-love-owning-newspapers/ | Source: Counter Punch [13:39] TR Bot Do Billionaires Love Owning Newspapers? - CounterPunch.org [13:43] TR News "Pick and place machines are a wonder to behold, as they delicately and accurately place part after part." https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/an-rp2040-powered-pick-and-place/ | Source: Hackaday [13:43] TR Bot RP2040 Powered Pick And Place | Hackaday [13:47] TR News "This article was distributed by a Chinese government accepted source" https://scheerpost.com/2022/11/07/the-us-chips-and-science-act-of-2022-and-its-impacts-on-chinas-semiconductor-industry/ | Source: Scheerpost [13:47] TR Bot US Chips and Science Act of 2022 and Its Impacts on China's Semiconductor Industry - scheerpost.com [13:50] TR News "inflation" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/11/08/an-economists-chart-goes-viral-shows-main-source-of-inflation/ | Source: Counter Punch [13:50] TR Bot Economists Chart Goes Viral: Shows Main Source of Inflation - CounterPunch.org [13:58] TR News So-called "economists" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/11/08/herman-daly-a-economist-who-future-economists-and-societies-will-dare-not-ignore/ | Source: Counter Punch [13:58] TR Bot Daly: A Economist Who Future Economists and Societies Will Dare Not Ignore - CounterPunch.org [13:59] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/funny-pictures-11-7-22-13.jpg ● Nov 08 [14:00] TR News Diegetic mechanics gemini://idiomdrottning.org/diegetic-mechanics [14:01] TR News Lunar Eclipse 2022-11-08 (Fairbanks, AK, US) gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20221108-0.gmi [14:02] TR News "Long live Microsoft, and long live Embrace, Extend, Extinguish!" gemini://gems.geminet.org/avr/2022-11-08-copilot-and-free-software.gmi [14:05] TR News Bezos lobbying using his pet 'news' site https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/11/08/washington-post-claims-voters-want-cuts-in-social-security-and-medicare/ | Source: Counter Punch [14:05] TR Bot Post Claims Voters Want Cuts in Social Security and Medicare - CounterPunch.org [14:06] TR News "All Quiet on the Western Front" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/11/07/netflixs-failed-adaptation-all-quiet-western-front | Source: Common Dreams [14:06] TR Bot Opinion | Netflix's Failed Adaptation of "All Quiet on the Western Front" | Camillo Mac Bica [14:06] TR News Ketanji Brown Jackson https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/11/07/jackson-issues-first-dissent-over-supreme-court-refusal-hear-death-row-appeal | Source: Common Dreams [14:06] TR Bot Jackson Issues First Dissent Over Supreme Court Refusal to Hear Death Row Appeal [14:11] TR News Oxfam https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/11/07/single-billionaire-produces-million-times-more-emissions-average-person-oxfam | Source: Common Dreams [14:11] TR Bot Single Billionaire Produces a Million Times More Emissions Than Average Person: Oxfam [14:19] TR News (NEW): Moving From Twitter to Mastodon http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Moving_From_Twitter_to_Mastodon.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Moving_From_Twitter_to_Mastodon.gmi [14:19] TR Bot Tux Machines Moving From Twitter to Mastodon [14:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [14:20] starstreak im watching the og tron movie btw [14:21] TR News When billionaires buy election outcomes https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/11/07/thats-oligarchy-sanders-rips-billionaires-trying-buy-midterm-victories | Source: Common Dreams [14:21] TR Bot 'That's Oligarchy': Sanders Rips Billionaires for Trying to Buy Midterm Victories [14:22] TR News Labor Rights https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/labor-rights-midterms-ballot/ | Source: The Nation [14:22] TR Bot Labor Rights Are on the Ballot | The Nation [14:22] TR News Go vote https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/youth-voters-turnout-democrats-2022-midterms/ | Source: The Nation [14:22] TR Bot Youth Turnout Will Decide the Fate of the Midterm Elections | The Nation [14:24] TR News Vote Republican, says owner of Twitter. Don't worry, the so-called 'SJWs' are still working for him. They are incapable of showing principles. [14:24] starstreak I don [14:24] starstreak I don't like Elon Musk anymore because he said vote republican [14:24] starstreak thats the final straw [14:25] TR News A vote for the democrats is a vote for corporations controlling the state. A vote for the republicans is a vote for corporations controlling the state and corporations being bigots, too. [14:26] TR News "If you attended the 2022 Supercon, you might have heard the story about the SMD soldering challenge table nearly catching on fire." https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/smelting-solar-style/ | Source: Hackaday [14:26] TR Bot Solar Style | Hackaday [14:26] TR News "We all know the temptation of adding one more feature to your latest project." https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/overengineered-fume-extractor-version-2/ | Source: Hackaday [14:26] TR Bot Fume Extractor, Version 2 | Hackaday [14:28] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [14:28] TR News "Everything Old Is New Again" https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2022/11/07/the-accelerating-war-on-science-based-medical-regulation/ | [14:28] TR Bot The accelerating war on science-based medical regulation - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE [14:28] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:28] *EightBallz puts a rock in his pipe and smokes it [14:29] EightBallz http://palmerluckey.com/if-you-die-in-the-game-you-die-in-real-life/ [14:29] TR Bot If you die in the game, you die in real life. The Blog of Palmer Luckey [14:53] TR News recession or worse https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/11/07/winter-coming-recession-created-feds-disdain-workers | Source: Common Dreams [14:53] TR Bot Opinion | Winter Is Coming: A Recession Created by the Fed's Disdain for Workers | Dante Dallavalle [14:54] TR News inflation https://truthout.org/articles/report-big-shipping-companies-profits-increased-30000-percent-amid-inflation/ | Source: TruthOut [14:54] TR Bot Report: Big Shipping Companies Profits Increased 30,000 Percent Amid Inflation [14:54] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [14:55] TR News "Last time, Ive explained everything you could want to know if you wanted to put an M.2 socket onto your board." https://hackaday.com/2022/11/07/m-2-for-hackers-cards/ | Source: Hackaday [14:55] TR Bot For Hackers Cards | Hackaday [14:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Nov 08 [15:10] TR News (NEW): Titan Linux Review: A Blend of Debian Stable and KDE Plasma Desktop http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Titan_Linux_Review_A_Blend_of_Debian_Stable_and_KDE_Plasma_Desk.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Titan_Linux_Review_A_Blend_of_Debian_Stable_and_KDE_Plasma_Desk.gmi [15:10] TR Bot Tux Machines Titan Linux Review: A Blend of Debian Stable and KDE Plasma Desktop [15:14] *Now talking on #techrights [15:14] *Topic for #techrights is: Techrights.org IRC discussions @ localhost | Channel #techrights for http://techrights.org [logged online] :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell for related discussions. For scrollback see http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ [15:14] *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~roy@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc at Fri Jun 18 16:51:47 2021 [15:14] *schestowitz (~roy@ubimf8izmv24i.irc) has joined #techrights [15:14] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #techrights schestowitz [15:14] *Now talking on #techrights [15:14] *Now talking on #techrights [15:14] *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Unofficial channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org [15:14] *Topic for #techrights set by superkuh!~superkuh@user/superkuh at Thu May 20 20:25:48 2021 [15:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [15:22] CrystalMath a vote for democrats is a vote for cance[lr] culture [15:25] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@ubimf8izmv24i.irc) has joined #techrights [15:26] starstreak a vote for republicans is a vote for fascism [15:27] psydruid a vote to nuke the USA and wipe it once and for all is a vote for sanity [15:28] EightBallz you seem insane psydruid [15:28] EightBallz kill millions on a whim because you don't like them [15:28] EightBallz that actually sounds kind of like Hitler or Stalin [15:28] psydruid EightBallz: that sounds more like something USonians do [15:29] psydruid I've never killed anyone [15:29] EightBallz you just want millions dead [15:30] psydruid that's a small price to pay to save the rest of the world from getting harmed even more by the USA [15:30] psydruid maybe fix your damn country [15:31] *EightBallz puts a crack rock in his pipe and smokes it [15:31] EightBallz seek therapy [15:31] psydruid that's what you and your countrymen should do indeed [15:31] psydruid instead of trying to police the whole world [15:32] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [15:32] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [15:37] TR News (NEW): KDE Plasma 5.26.3 Continues to Improve the Plasma Wayland Session, Fixes Various Issues http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/KDE_Plasma_5_26_3_Continues_to_Improve_the_Plasma_Wayland_Sessi.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/KDE_Plasma_5_26_3_Continues_to_Improve_the_Plasma_Wayland_Sessi.gmi [15:37] TR Bot Tux Machines KDE Plasma 5.26.3 Continues to Improve the Plasma Wayland Session, Fixes Various Issues [15:43] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [15:44] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@qqashmmai9reg.irc) has joined #techrights [15:54] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:57] XRevan86 https://www.platformer.news/p/musk-discusses-putting-all-of-twitter Does he *want* people to flee? [15:57] TR Bot Musk discusses putting all of Twitter behind a paywall [15:58] XRevan86 What next? Channel take-over? ● Nov 08 [16:00] *techuser (~techuser@9bsrk9cwiznhk.irc) has joined #techrights [16:08] schestowitz[TR] haha [16:08] schestowitz[TR] leenode [16:08] schestowitz[TR] sasl [16:08] schestowitz[TR] he said he wanted to authenticate ALL users [16:08] schestowitz[TR] even dissidents [16:08] schestowitz[TR] and during financial crisis he wants to START charging users [16:09] schestowitz[TR] while Twitter press coverage is very very hostile [16:09] schestowitz[TR] at the back end they probably see a collapse in # of users [16:09] schestowitz[TR] memories of freenode [16:10] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [16:11] *techuser (~techuser@d5vpnznmt9utc.irc) has joined #techrights [16:12] TR News The Entropy Centre *First Impressions* - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YU2eNu54aAM | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/YU2eNu54aAM [16:12] TR Bot The Entropy Centre *First Impressions* - Invidious [16:12] XRevan86 schestowitz: Strange thing is that Elon Musk is not as stupid as a certain A.L., so I'm puzzled by what his end-game is. [16:13] XRevan86 Is he really oblivious to the tension his statements are creating? [16:13] schestowitz[TR] the buyout was a mistake [16:13] schestowitz[TR] impulsive buying [16:13] schestowitz[TR] now buyer's remorse [16:13] schestowitz[TR] it ruins his brand/name [16:13] XRevan86 The least he could do is not to break what he bought. [16:13] schestowitz[TR] for those other companies too [16:13] schestowitz[TR] like Lee with PIA and Shells [16:13] schestowitz[TR] (his brother)( [16:13] TR News "I often get asked about installing standalone window managers on Ubuntu. What's the best way to go about this? Well, the method that I have used in the past is installing Ubuntu Server, and then installing a window manager and needed utilities on top of that." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AHvwxc62lDQ [16:13] TR Bot Ubuntu Server is Perfect for a Minimal "Window Manager" Installation - Invidious [16:14] XRevan86 Just like with freenode 2021, where every move Andrew Lee made cut the userbase in half. [16:19] TR News A hands-on guide to work with MindSpore on Kubeflow https://ubuntu.com//blog/kubeflow-mindspore-integration-guide [16:19] TR Bot hands-on guide to work with MindSpore on Kubeflow | Ubuntu [16:19] TR News (NEW): Videos: Ubuntu Server, The Entropy Centre, Late Night Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Videos_Ubuntu_Server_The_Entropy_Centre_Late_Night_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Videos_Ubuntu_Server_The_Entropy_Centre_Late_Night_Linux.gmi [16:19] TR Bot Tux Machines Videos: Ubuntu Server, The Entropy Centre, Late Night Linux [16:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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[16:23] TR News (NEW): Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftovers.gmi [16:23] TR Bot Tux Machines Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers [16:27] TR News Clonezilla Live 3.0.2-21 is out https://sourceforge.net/p/clonezilla/news/2022/11/stable-clonezilla-live-302-21-released/ [16:27] TR Bot Clonezilla / News: Stable Clonezilla live 3.0.2-21 Released [16:28] TR News Stable Clonezilla live 3.0.2-21 Released https://sourceforge.net/p/clonezilla/news/2022/11/stable-clonezilla-live-302-21-released/ [16:28] TR News (NEW): CachyOS: The Brand-New Friendly, Performance-Tuned Arch Linux Derivative http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/CachyOS_The_Brand_New_Friendly_Performance_Tuned_Arch_Linux_Der.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/CachyOS_The_Brand_New_Friendly_Performance_Tuned_Arch_Linux_Der.gmi [16:28] TR Bot Tux Machines CachyOS: The Brand-New Friendly, Performance-Tuned Arch Linux Derivative [16:32] TR News (NEW): LXQt 1.2.0: Top New Features & Wayland Updates http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/LXQt_1_2_0_Top_New_Features_Wayland_Updates.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/LXQt_1_2_0_Top_New_Features_Wayland_Updates.gmi [16:32] TR Bot Tux Machines LXQt 1.2.0: Top New Features & Wayland Updates [16:39] TR News (NEW): VLC 3.0.18 is Out! #HowTo Install in Ubuntu 22.04 | 20.04 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/VLC_3_0_18_is_Out_How_to_Install_in_Ubuntu_22_04_20_04.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/VLC_3_0_18_is_Out_How_to_Install_in_Ubuntu_22_04_20_04.gmi [16:39] TR Bot Tux Machines VLC 3.0.18 is Out! How to Install in Ubuntu 22.04 | 20.04 [16:41] TR News SpellBinding: GYLRTUI Wordo: ADOP gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-11-08.gmi [16:42] TR News The Twitter invasion gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/the_twitter_invasion.gmi [16:42] TR News "Now, as a Geminaut, I'm used to back and forth communication taking a slower pace." gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/the_twitter_invasion.gmi [16:44] TR News Arduino Uno Pinout Guide https://linuxhint.com/arduino-uno-pinout-guide/ Source: Linux Hint | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxhint.com/arduino-uno-pinout-guide/ [16:44] TR Bot Arduino Uno Pinout Guide [16:44] TR News Welcome Opta, our first-ever micro PLC with Industrial IoT capabilities | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/11/08/welcome-opta-our-first-ever-micro-plc-with-industrial-iot-capabilities/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/11/08/welcome-opta-our-first-ever-micro-plc-with-industrial-iot-capabilities/ [16:44] TR Bot Welcome Opta, our first-ever micro PLC with Industrial IoT capabilities | Arduino Blog [16:46] TR News Bootlin at Capitole du Libre 2022: sponsor, booth and talks - Bootlin's blog https://bootlin.com/blog/bootlin-at-capitole-du-libre-2022-sponsor-booth-and-talks/#respond [16:46] TR Bot at Capitole du Libre 2022: sponsor, booth and talks - Bootlin's blog [16:48] TR News Red Hat: to go Amazon (Proprietary Software) https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/11/08/visual-guide-deploying-jboss-eap-aws [16:48] TR Bot A visual guide to deploying JBoss EAP on AWS | Red Hat Developer [16:48] TR News Red Hat explains GNU while defaming its founder to take over his project https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/11/08/introduction-debug-events-learn-how-use-breakpoints [16:48] TR Bot An introduction to debug events: Learn how to use breakpoints | Red Hat Developer [16:49] TR News More chances to catch AlmaLinux: SuperCompute 22, and OLF 22 - AlmaLinux OS Blog https://almalinux.org/blog/more-chances-to-catch-almalinux-supercompute-22-and-olf-22/ Source: AlmaLinux Official | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//almalinux.org/blog/more-chances-to-catch-almalinux-supercompute-22-and-olf-22/ [16:49] TR Bot More chances to catch AlmaLinux: SuperCompute 22, and OLF 22 - AlmaLinux OS Blog [16:50] TR News Red Hat seeking to inspire you to embrace vendor lockin https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/11/digital-transformation-questions-reinspire-your-efforts [16:50] TR Bot Digital transformation: 5 questions to reinspire your efforts | The Enterprisers Project [16:51] TR News "Cockpit now switches to a dark theme when system dark mode is enabled." https://cockpit-project.org//blog/cockpit-279.html [16:51] TR Bot Cockpit 279 Cockpit Project [16:52] TR News "In October, we published 17 posts. The site had 10,946 visits from 6,735 unique viewers. 4,559 visits came from search engines, while 484 came from Twitter and 69 came from the WordPress Android App." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/community-blog-monthly-summary-october-2022/ 200 uniques per day. Fedora used to be vastly bigger. [16:52] TR Bot Community Blog monthly summary: October 2022 Fedora Community Blog [16:53] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:57] *techuser (~techuser@2m4zrgni94tb6.irc) has joined #techrights [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Nov 08 [17:04] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [17:04] *techuser (~techuser@vvbde374bfqga.irc) has joined #techrights [17:09] TR News [RFC PATCH v3 1/3] drivers/accel: define kconfig and register a new major https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20221106210225.2065371-1-ogabbay@kernel.org/T/ [17:09] TR Bot [RFC PATCH v3 0/3] new subsystem for compute accelerator devices [17:10] TR News [PULL] nouveau-next https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/CABDvA==s+nZD0n7CuRWLPE=Pj+02CN13r+ZQJxoHQ_EmR+o=XQ@mail.gmail.com/T/#u | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/CABDvA==s+nZD0n7CuRWLPE=Pj+02CN13r+ZQJxoHQ_EmR+o=XQ@mail.gmail.com/T/#u [17:10] TR Bot [PULL] nouveau-next [17:10] TR News "obviously dead and abandoned." https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/19385 [17:10] TR Bot delete clover (!19385) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab [17:12] TR News Outsourcing to MICROSOFT Proprietary Prison is "Open-Source"? Who benefits here? https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVIDIA-PhysX-51-Open-Source [17:12] TR Bot Makes The PhysX 5.1 SDK Open-Source - Phoronix [17:17] TR News U.S. Seizes Over 50K Bitcoin Worth $3.3 Billion Linked to Silk Road Dark Web https://thehackernews.com/2022/11/us-seizes-over-50k-bitcoin-worth-33.html Source: Hacker News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//thehackernews.com/2022/11/us-seizes-over-50k-bitcoin-worth-33.html [17:17] TR Bot U.S. Seizes Over 50K Bitcoin Worth $3.3 Billion Linked to Silk Road Dark Web [17:18] TR News EU calls for spyware moratorium, but no ban to protect human rights - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/eu-spyware-moratorium/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/eu-spyware-moratorium/ [17:18] TR Bot EU calls for spyware moratorium, but no ban to protect human rights - Access Now [17:18] TR News WiFi security flaw lets a drone track devices through walls | Engadget https://www.engadget.com/wifi-security-hole-see-through-walls-152138038.html Source: Engadget | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.engadget.com/wifi-security-hole-see-through-walls-152138038.html [17:18] TR Bot security flaw lets a drone track devices through walls | Engadget [17:19] TR News Gulag puts back doors in things. It is in no position to lecture anybody on security. https://security.googleblog.com/2022/11/our-principles-for-iot-security-labeling.html [17:19] TR Bot Google Online Security Blog: Our Principles for IoT Security Labeling [17:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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On behalf of Testing and Automation devroom we'd like to announce that call for participation is now open." https://kiwitcms.org/blog/kiwi-tcms-team/2022/11/08/call-for-participation-testing-and-automation-devroom-fosdem23/ [17:23] TR Bot Kiwi TCMS - Call for participation: Testing and Automation devroom, FOSDEM'23 [17:24] TR News Non-cooperative wi-fi localization & its privacy implications https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3495243.3560530 [17:24] TR Bot [17:25] TR News "Mayhem for Code can help you find and fix vulnerabilities in your code." https://forallsecure.com/blog/how-we-make-it-easy-to-deploy-mayhem-for-code-on-your-premises [17:25] TR Bot How We Make It Easy to Deploy Mayhem for Code on Your Premises [17:27] TR News Back doors company :/ https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cloud-hypervisor-project-welcomes-amd-as-a-member-of-the-advisory-board-301671280.html [17:27] TR Bot Cloud Hypervisor Project welcomes AMD as a Member of the Advisory Board [17:28] TR News ChromeOS Redesigned shows us a possible future of Googles Linux-based operating system https://betanews.com/2022/11/08/chromeos-redesigned/ Source: Beta News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//betanews.com/2022/11/08/chromeos-redesigned/ [17:28] TR Bot ChromeOS Redesigned shows us a possible future of Google's Linux-based operating system [17:29] TR News Khronos Unveils Kamaros as the name for the Embedded Camera System API and Working Group https://www.khronos.org/blog/khronos-unveils-kamaros-as-the-name-for-the-embedded-camera-system-api-and-working-group Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.khronos.org/blog/khronos-unveils-kamaros-as-the-name-for-the-embedded-camera-system-api-and-working-group [17:29] TR Bot Khronos Blog - The Khronos Group Inc [17:29] TR News "After two virtual events, FOSDEM 2023 will be in person, taking place on Saturday, February 4, and Sunday, February 5. LibreOffice Technology DevRoom is scheduled for the afternoon of Saturday, February 4, from 3PM to 7PM." https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/11/08/fosdem-2023-cfp-libreoffice-technology-devroom/ [17:29] TR Bot LibreOffice Technology DevRoom at FOSDEM 2023: Call for Papers - The Document Foundation Blog [17:34] *reptilian_thrills has quit (connection closed) [17:43] TR News (NEW): Proprietary: Twitter, Facebook, Clown Computing, and Microsoft http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Proprietary_Twitter_Facebook_Clown_Computing_and_Microsoft.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Proprietary_Twitter_Facebook_Clown_Computing_and_Microsoft.gmi [17:43] TR Bot Tux Machines Proprietary: Twitter, Facebook, Clown Computing, and Microsoft [17:44] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:45] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:45] *techuser (~techuser@qiahibkh2iwka.irc) has joined #techrights [17:45] TR News (NEW): AMD in Cloud Hypervisor and OBS Studio http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/AMD_in_Cloud_Hypervisor_and_OBS_Studio.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/AMD_in_Cloud_Hypervisor_and_OBS_Studio.gmi [17:45] TR Bot Tux Machines AMD in Cloud Hypervisor and OBS Studio [17:45] TR News (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi [17:45] TR Bot Tux Machines Programming Leftovers [17:51] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [17:52] *techuser (~techuser@6v8cjbvydcdre.irc) has joined #techrights [17:52] *techrights_guest|83 (~519aaba8@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [17:53] *techrights_guest|83 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [17:54] TR News Links 08/11/2022: KDE Plasma 5.26.3 and VLC 3.0.18 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/08/kde-plasma-5-26-3/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/08/kde-plasma-5-26-3/ [17:54] TR Bot Links 08/11/2022: KDE Plasma 5.26.3 and VLC 3.0.18 | Techrights [17:56] TR News (NEW): Devices/Embedded: Arduino and Yocto http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Devices_Embedded_Arduino_and_Yocto.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Devices_Embedded_Arduino_and_Yocto.gmi [17:56] TR Bot Tux Machines Devices/Embedded: Arduino and Yocto [17:56] TR News (NEW): Events and Free, Libre, and Open Source Software http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Events_and_Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/Events_and_Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software.gmi [17:56] TR Bot Tux Machines Events and Free, Libre, and Open Source Software [17:56] TR News (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/08/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi [17:56] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers ● Nov 08 [18:01] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [18:03] starstreak linucks btw [18:07] XRevan86 https://neuters.de/lifestyle/sports/qatar-world-cup-ambassador-says-homosexuality-is-damage-mind-2022-11-08/ [18:07] TR Bot Qatar World Cup ambassador says homosexuality is 'damage in the mind' [18:10] starstreak you've just been butt slammed! [18:13] *EightBallz is now known as gangster_og [18:16] starstreak "I am JP, I am a robot, I have a robot vagina" [18:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-07.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-08.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [18:32] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4kb9ji7tv5hkk.irc) has joined #techrights [18:33] DaemonFC So, Musk wanted the managers to write two sentences for each person that was fired. One describing what they did and one describing why they were let go. [18:33] DaemonFC Nice. [18:34] DaemonFC "This person was laid off because our new owner is an idiot that said to lay off an artificial figure because he was in a bad mood about how much he overpaid for Twitter." "This person was responsible for like half of those new features you said were coming and we'll be reaching out to them by Sunday to ask them to come back." [18:35] DaemonFC Then an email appears from Musk RE: YOUR future with Twitter. [18:35] DaemonFC :) [18:37] MinceR it's such a great time not to be a user of shitter [18:38] XRevan86 Should've bought popcorn. A lot. [18:39] XRevan86 A book will be written about this for sure. [18:39] DaemonFC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV2DLkDPwM8 [18:39] TR Bot https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=aV2DLkDPwM8 [18:39] TR Bot inv.bp.projectsegfau.lt | Darth Vader "You have failed me for the last time" - Full Scene HD - Invidious [18:40] DaemonFC Still the best scene out of any of the movies. [18:40] XRevan86 Maybe freenode will get an honourable mention in that book. [18:40] MinceR https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/08/1062886/heres-how-a-twitter-engineer-says-it-will-break-in-the-coming-weeks/ [18:40] TR Bot Heres how a Twitter engineer says it will break in the coming weeks | MIT Technology Review [18:41] DaemonFC Piett (off screen): "Oh fuck, fuck! I should have called in this morning! I had the attendance points to do it! Oh God, I'm next!" [18:41] DaemonFC :) [18:42] DaemonFC The title of "Admiral" isn't really worth it in an organization like the Empire. [18:43] DaemonFC Notice how Vader never (on screen at least) force chokes any of the junior officers? [18:43] XRevan86 > Musks recent criticism of Mastodon, the open-source alternative to Twitter that has piled on users in the days since the entrepreneur took control of the platform, invites the suggestion that those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones. [18:43] XRevan86 :D [18:43] DaemonFC MinceR, What do you figure is the highest rank that's safe from Vader yet reasonably prestigious? [18:43] DaemonFC I think the lowest rank he's bothered choking was "Captain". [18:44] MinceR 08 194315 < DaemonFC> Notice how Vader never (on screen at least) force chokes any of the junior officers? [18:44] MinceR they get promoted first [18:44] XRevan86 https://nitter.it/bluewavering/status/1589666432404815872#m [18:44] TR Bot ola azul (@bluewavering): "The filthy screen on his computer suggests he fired all the cleaning staff as well."|nitter [18:44] MinceR DaemonFC: i'd rather not be involved with the empire at all. it sucks. [18:44] DaemonFC Good time to desert I guess. [18:45] DaemonFC Well, they take conscripts. [18:45] DaemonFC Like Putin. [18:45] DaemonFC I suppose they may also shoot stormtroopers in the back for fleeing the battlefield when they're losing, like Russia does. [18:45] XRevan86 Elon's probably not the one who took the picture but still. [18:46] XRevan86 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops So that's what it's called in English. [18:46] TR Bot Barrier troops - Wikipedia [18:46] DaemonFC I wonder what exactly happened at the Battle of Endor. Did the rest of the fleet stay and fight? There were a lot of Star Destroyers there. It was a big fleet even after the loss of Executor and the Second Death Star. [18:49] DaemonFC MinceR, The problem with Disney's Star Wars, among the others, is that the New Republic didn't see the Imperial Remnant/First Order as a threat? [18:49] DaemonFC Why? [18:49] DaemonFC The backstory is that they lost a lot of worlds that voted to leave and join the First Order and the First Order still had the bulk of the Imperial Fleet. [18:49] DaemonFC It was a major power. [18:50] DaemonFC The Republic apparently signed some sort of peace deal that theoretically ended the conflict where it was and began a huge Cold War. [18:51] DaemonFC But this makes no sense. The First Order was still a fascist organization with the stated goal of eventually declaring total war on the Republic and annexing its worlds. [18:51] DaemonFC The logical course of action would have been to continue fighting them, not to sign some "peace deal" that allowed the Remnant to fall back and build up their forces. [18:52] DaemonFC Palpatine didn't really care much what happened to the First Order either way. [18:54] DaemonFC You notice that they were a relatively small Navy compared to his Final Order fleet that he constructed at Exegol, and none of the First Order ships had planet killer weapons. The Star Destroyers at Exegol all had a planet killer weapon, which was probably also a "one shot kill" weapon for engaging in ship-to-ship combat. The whole First Order thing was just a ruse. [18:54] DaemonFC With or without them or Starkiller Base, Palpatine would have brought the fleet from Exegol to war with the Republic eventually. [18:56] DaemonFC Upon finding out about Palpatine, it would have been more logical for Kylo Ren to bring the First Order fleet to Exegol while the Advanced Star Destroyer fleet was still unable to take off, and start a bombardment. One thing about Palpy.....You're not just going to kill him and take his fleet. [18:56] DaemonFC So the option remaining would be to wipe it out and start a surface bombardment while he's still too weak to do anything. [18:58] DaemonFC That would have left this movie series open to more sequels. [18:58] DaemonFC Disney seems to like money, which is why they put out all of these movies that are increasingly pointless/bad/poorly directed. [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Nov 08 [19:00] DaemonFC MinceR, I think I could have written a better script. [19:01] MinceR many people would have [19:01] DaemonFC New Republic: Destroyed / Snoke: Dead / Palpy: Blown up. [19:01] DaemonFC The Sith "Rule of Two" is that the apprentice craves power and the best way to go about that would be to kill Palpatine and his loyalists. [19:01] DaemonFC The First Order already had a big enough fleet and the Republic was gone. [19:02] DaemonFC In time they could have just subjugated everyone else due to the power vacuum and having the largest remaining Navy in the galaxy. [19:03] DaemonFC MinceR, DJ: "They blow you up today, you blow them up tomorrow. It's just business." [19:03] DaemonFC I read that as Disney sort of insulting the audience for paying to see all of these movies. [19:04] DaemonFC Nothing gets resolved. There's always "enough" of the Rebel Alliance or the Empire or whatever left to do another movie. [19:07] DaemonFC This ends up being how the US and Russia "fight" each other. Both sides could destroy each other, so they don't go to war. They can't go to war. They just wait until the other one gets ambitious and goes to war somewhere else, and then props up the other side of the war. [19:07] DaemonFC We blow you up today, you blow us up tomorrow. [19:08] *gangster_og puts a rock in his pipe and smokes it [19:08] DaemonFC This thing in the Ukraine though.... I mean, Jesus. This is bad even by Russian standards. They've always taken huge losses in their wars and just sort of expected it to happen. [19:08] gangster_og star wars is gangsta dawg [19:09] MinceR dogs form gangs now? [19:10] DaemonFC MinceR, Yes, they form packs. [19:10] DaemonFC And then they're allowed to raise a bunch of dark money and get Republicans elected to the government, and you can't ask where any of the money came from. [19:10] DaemonFC Which is why I don't trust dogs. [19:12] MinceR :> [19:12] gangster_og DaemonFC: do you suck dick for coke? [19:12] gangster_og cuz i got a lot of dick [19:16] psydruid better to stay away from rabid dogs [19:17] schestowitz[TR] the trolling is increasing [19:17] schestowitz[TR] and trying to associate us with illegasl activity [19:17] schestowitz[TR] so we must be striking some nerves somewhere [19:17] psydruid let's keep striking nerves wherever we can [19:17] psydruid and whenever we can [19:18] schestowitz[TR] or trying to force us to ban [19:18] psydruid you know you can ban me any time you want [19:18] psydruid for whatever reason you want [19:19] psydruid but it will only make them win [19:19] schestowitz[TR] my name is not elon musk [19:19] schestowitz[TR] and I'd be banned if I changed me name to it ;-) [19:19] gangster_og Elon Tusk [19:19] schestowitz[TR] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/07/twitter-will-ban-permanently-suspend-impersonator-accounts-elon-musk-says-as-users-take-his-name [19:19] TR Bot Twitter bans comedian Kathy Griffin for impersonating Elon Musk | Elon Musk | The Guardian [19:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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[19:21] DaemonFC bbl [19:21] gangster_og wubba lubba dub dub [19:21] psydruid lol [19:22] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:22] gangster_og damn, i almost sneezed all over my crack [19:23] gangster_og its nice to see Rick and Morty fans here [19:23] psydruid "Do you want your account to be permanently banned and deleted? Impersonate Elon Musk now!" [19:23] gangster_og take off your pants and your panties, shit on the floor [19:23] gangster_og its time to get schwifty in here [19:23] psydruid will always be my favourite [19:24] gangster_og what is this witchcraft [19:24] gangster_og 19:23 < psydruid> will always be my favourite <- this witchcraft [19:24] gangster_og some kind of weird runes [19:25] psydruid not suitable for rabid dogs [19:28] *Now talking on #techrights [19:28] *Topic for #techrights is: Techrights.org IRC discussions @ localhost | Channel #techrights for http://techrights.org [logged online] :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell for related discussions. For scrollback see http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ [19:28] *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~roy@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc at Fri Jun 18 16:51:47 2021 [19:28] *schestowitz (~roy@ubimf8izmv24i.irc) has joined #techrights [19:28] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #techrights schestowitz [19:28] *Now talking on #techrights [19:28] *Now talking on #techrights [19:28] *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Unofficial channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org [19:28] *Topic for #techrights set by superkuh!~superkuh@user/superkuh at Thu May 20 20:25:48 2021 [19:28] *techrights-news has quit (connection closed) [19:28] *schestowitz has quit (Connection closed) [19:33] schestowitz[TR] serious hardware issues this past week [19:33] schestowitz[TR] damn [19:45] starstreak that tends to be an issue when the computer is 20 years old [19:47] starstreak its usually a hard drive too [19:49] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [19:52] schestowitz[TR] maybe cpu temps, but based on past 8 days' logs, not likely [19:54] starstreak https://memtest.org/ [19:54] TR Bot Memtest86+ | The Open-Source Memory Testing Tool [19:54] starstreak you can try checking the ram [19:54] schestowitz[TR] thanks [19:55] starstreak np ● Nov 08 [20:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [20:02] starstreak im so jealous: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813546477414383646/1039610170000560218/unknown.png [20:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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[20:46] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [20:47] verbose s/deleted/set to private/ [20:48] schestowitz[TR] maybe for a reason [20:48] schestowitz[TR] like warning [20:48] verbose hmm maybe he still is black on that newer video? I am not sure [20:49] verbose The white balance is very different. [20:51] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [20:57] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Nov 08 [21:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [21:02] verbose schestowitz[TR]: What do you think? I am not good at distinguishing skin colors. [21:02] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [21:03] verbose If Michael Martin, the first man on the picture https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2020/06/02/blackinamerica-callout_wide-9d03e26ec3f18010d3ad5ccf475f90c7c72f9d43-s1200-c85.webp is black, then the new Mental Outlaw could be black, but I am not sure he is of the same color as on the old video. [21:05] verbose That old video: https://linuxreviews.org/File:Mental_Outlaw_-_Politically_Correct_Tech.webm [21:05] TR Bot File:Mental Outlaw - Politically Correct Tech.webm - LinuxReviews [21:05] verbose A picture comparable to the new video, with the old colors: https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Mental_Outlaw [21:05] TR Bot Mental Outlaw | Wikitubia | Fandom [21:06] verbose Does he have very bad lighting because of the windows in the background? [21:08] verbose I guess when he turns his head it's more believable. [21:09] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@ubimf8izmv24i.irc) has joined #techrights [21:09] TR News Trusting the UPC (Unified Patent Court) in the Hands of Tyrants Who Ridicule Courts? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/08/upc-epc-epo-and-iloat/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/08/upc-epc-epo-and-iloat/ [21:09] TR Bot Trusting the UPC (Unified Patent Court) in the Hands of Tyrants Who Ridicule Courts? | Techrights [21:12] starstreak verbose, i love mental outlaw [21:13] starstreak hes the reason i switched to arch linucks btw [21:14] verbose It's just that I checked his recent videos and thought he was white on them [21:14] starstreak does it really matter? [21:14] verbose not very recent [21:15] verbose well, he wasn't before :P [21:15] verbose and it was important in that old video [21:16] TR News EPO Isnt Green and Isnt Women-Friendly, That’s Just Another Distraction From Corruption | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/08/epo-as-staff-in-munich-responds-to-greenwashing/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/08/epo-as-staff-in-munich-responds-to-greenwashing/ [21:16] TR Bot EPO Isnt Green and Isnt Women-Friendly, Thats Just Another Distraction From Corruption | Techrights [21:18] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [21:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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