●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 ●● ● Dec 08 [00:08] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:16] GNUmoon2 Not sure if this has already been seen here, but just heard M$ has updated it's patent from 2011 on monitoring "lazy" workers remotely. [00:16] GNUmoon2 https://nypost.com/2020/12/03/microsoft-patents-software-that-detects-lazy-employees/ [00:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nypost.com | Microsoft patents software that detects lazy employees [00:16] GNUmoon2 From 2011: https://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-patents-idea-monitoring-employee-habits-201608138.html [00:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | Microsoft Patents Idea for Monitoring Employee Work Habits [00:17] GNUmoon2 https://www.geekwire.com/2011/microsoft-software-detect-obnoxious-workplace-habits/ [00:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft software would detect, score and report obnoxious workplace habits - GeekWire [00:18] GNUmoon2 Looks like MS started this "innovation" back in 2008. [00:18] GNUmoon2 https://slashdot.org/story/08/01/16/1427242/Microsoft-to-Spy-on-Employees [00:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | Microsoft to Spy on Employees - Slashdot [00:21] psydroid Microsoft has reinvented itself as The Spying Company, a.k.a. Microspy ● Dec 08 [01:24] DaemonFC[m] I was hoping that more good than harm would come from IBM merging with Red Hat. [01:24] DaemonFC[m] That they would have a bunch of money and more or less leave it alone. [01:24] DaemonFC[m] Now they don't appear to be interested in a lot except keeping RHEL around in someone else's chains. [01:25] DaemonFC[m] A virtual machine OS for "cloud". [01:25] DaemonFC[m] It's kind of ridiculous that IBM, which has their roots in timesharing and mainframes, would seek to do this Hyper-V and Azure stuff. [01:26] DaemonFC[m] You'd think that they could keep it in house and all the profits from the customers who are interested in using it like that. [01:27] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: So I was reading over those messages that Maricel actually did send to Mandy last year just because I happened to see them. She was trying to say I was some kind of a loser who "could only read about the real life". [01:28] DaemonFC[m] I assume that's some sort of an insult. I wonder how the Coronavirus has been treating them. Not just if they've had it, but what it's done. Nobody to dangle "the real life" (lots of debt) in front of. [01:29] DaemonFC[m] At the looks of things, it doesn't actually take a hell of a lot of intelligence to be a nurse if 60% are saying they absolutely will not consider a Coronavirus vaccine. [01:29] DaemonFC[m] If the medical profession is saying hard no, and the public in general is saying hard no, then the virus will just have to run its course. [01:29] DaemonFC[m] Not just "We'll see what it does to the first people it gets provisioned to." but "Absolutely not. Ever.". [01:30] DaemonFC[m] That's a little bit strong even for me. [01:30] DaemonFC[m] I'd just have to see the numbers. [01:30] MinceR 08 022432 < DaemonFC[m]> That they would have a bunch of money and more or less leave it alone. [01:30] MinceR that's not "good" [01:30] DaemonFC[m] But 200,000 new cases and 1,500 dead on a Monday? [01:31] DaemonFC[m] That's not good. If those are Monday numbers, and Monday is usually the low point of the week as far as reporting.... [01:31] DaemonFC[m] We'll have some over 3,000 days this week. [01:32] DaemonFC[m] Last Monday was the 30th, and we had 1,275 dead and 167,000 cases. [01:33] DaemonFC[m] By Thursday is was 2,926 dead and 220,000 cases [01:33] DaemonFC[m] So this is going to be an absolutely horrible week. [01:34] DaemonFC[m] By Thursday we may see 3,300 dead and over 250,000 cases [01:34] DaemonFC[m] I haven't been feeling too great today, honestly. [01:35] DaemonFC[m] Fatigue, lightheadedness, a bit of a headache that comes and goes. [01:35] DaemonFC[m] I've been feeling weird for the last week and a half though off and on, and I had been coughing. [01:36] DaemonFC[m] I would say not sick so much as not feeling myself. [01:37] DaemonFC[m] Even people who get diagnosed with it won't stay home as much as possible. [01:37] DaemonFC[m] Because there's simply no way to not miss work. They stop getting their paycheck, they are SCREWED. So, yeah. [01:38] DaemonFC[m] Everything that's been going on has been pretty much kabuki theater. [01:38] DaemonFC[m] Not enough to mitigate, but definitely enough to mess up the economy. [01:39] DaemonFC[m] I don't know. I tried to write this off as allergies or something, but right now I feel like I could just fall asleep and stay in bed the rest of the week. [01:41] DaemonFC[m] Maybe that's not a bad idea. [01:44] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/12/603349ab5af13563.jpg [01:46] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: I hope it's not the CHINA VIRUS! [01:46] DaemonFC[m] All seriousness though.... [01:51] MinceR a virus made of china? how curious. [01:52] XRevan86 fine china [01:57] MinceR extremely fine ● Dec 08 [02:49] DaemonFC[m] 0.13 microns even. [02:50] DaemonFC[m] Such fine China that the air purifers have to add a disclaimer that they can't filter such fine China. ● Dec 08 [03:07] schestowitz [22:48] https://ircz.de/p/20080934 [03:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4812535) [03:07] schestowitz very shitty product [03:07] schestowitz is this ikea joke? [03:10] MinceR i don't know if it has anything to do with ikea, probably not [03:15] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [03:17] schestowitz the spelling of stool [03:18] MinceR seems german to me [03:20] schestowitz with ikea joke they'd typically add accents [03:50] DaemonFC[m] They're getting rid of the catalogs. [03:50] DaemonFC[m] They've stopped issuing physical cards for the IKEA Family thing. [03:50] DaemonFC[m] It's a barcode on your phone now. [03:53] schestowitz so-called 'phone; ● Dec 08 [04:02] DaemonFC[m] Steve Ballmer laughing at the iPhone. [04:02] DaemonFC[m] Mentions some Windows Phone that nobody even remembers. How it was $99. Nobody even remembers it now. [04:03] DaemonFC[m] That's how Microsoft is with hardware. They make it, they throw lots of money at it. It's in the clearance bin a year or two later. [04:03] DaemonFC[m] The XBOX almost flopped. [04:03] DaemonFC[m] None of the launch titles were any good. [04:03] DaemonFC[m] It took until Halo just for them to have something that was even kind of worth playing. [04:16] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Other than the litigiousness of Nintendo, the quality of their hardware is outstanding. [04:16] DaemonFC[m] I've had 6 of their consoles and never had a single one of them fail. [04:30] schestowitz almost flopped? [04:31] schestowitz is it profitable? [04:44] Ariadne schestowitz: [19:57] i'm told end of the month shit is being shut down [04:44] Ariadne re: moving the site [04:44] Ariadne patrick being one of the people previously involved in the business, who is dealing with the estate [04:45] Ariadne so we have some time but we probably should not lollygag either [04:47] Ariadne [22:03] The XBOX almost flopped. [04:47] Ariadne yeah i remember when they demoed it on techtv and it was mostly just dreamcast ports at launch [04:50] Ariadne with that said it seems this time around the xbox is superior to the ps5 so far [04:50] Ariadne the real-time ray tracing is neat [04:51] schestowitz > Smart: [04:52] schestowitz > [04:52] schestowitz > https://dontgetanyideas.com/comic/20201127 [04:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontgetanyideas.com | 70: Definitions - Don't Get Any Ideas [04:52] schestowitz > [04:52] schestowitz > [04:52] schestowitz > https://dontgetanyideas.com/comic/20201204 [04:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontgetanyideas.com | 71: Politically Correct - Don't Get Any Ideas [04:52] schestowitz > [04:53] schestowitz Ariadne: are you available today for work on site move? ● Dec 08 [05:01] Ariadne today i have some alpine stuff to sort [05:01] Ariadne thursday? [05:01] Ariadne or weekend [05:06] schestowitz sounds good! [05:15] Ariadne this cyberpunk 2077 game has content in it explicitly designed to trigger epileptic episodes [05:16] Ariadne i wonder if microsoft and sony are going to make them remove that shit [05:18] schestowitz otherwise, people should remove sony and microsoft [05:18] schestowitz they probably ought to, regardless.. [05:18] Ariadne i think microsoft will, they are at least pretending to care about accessibility in gaming [05:21] Ariadne microsoft do appear to have guidelines on this: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/gaming/accessibility/xbox-accessibility-guidelines/118 [05:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.microsoft.com | Xbox Accessibility Guideline 118 - Game Stack | Microsoft Docs [05:23] schestowitz Microsoft lies about almost everything [05:24] schestowitz history has shown that repeatedly [05:24] schestowitz they also lies about their financial performance [05:24] schestowitz because "everyone is doing it" [05:24] schestowitz Later they blame corona when the economy collapse [05:24] schestowitz and they bail out the rich at everybody else's expense [05:25] schestowitz "tough luck, tighten your belts, people" [05:52] DaemonFC[m] According to Microsoft, it's one of their best divisions. [05:52] DaemonFC[m] Well, the PS5 is the one overheating, so. [05:53] Ariadne xbox is probably profitable [05:53] Ariadne it seems like its pretty hard to fuck something like that up [05:53] vZS1 I was reading the GNU Bash 5.1 release notes. Got it in my tuxmachines RSS feed. Just underneath that item I see Phoronix repeating verbatim on the release. Is this Phoronix's MO? [05:54] Ariadne i think tuxmachines aggregates from phoronix [05:54] DaemonFC[m] They've been pulling resources away from Windows for some time. [05:54] DaemonFC[m] Firing people or reassigning them elsewhere. [05:55] Ariadne looks like we are going back into lockdown [05:55] Ariadne pray for my data cap [05:57] DaemonFC[m] Comcast raised it 20%. How nice of them. [05:58] Ariadne bruh we have viasat [05:58] Ariadne if i exceed 60GB i am deprioritized :( ● Dec 08 [06:19] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:22] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: May we live long and die out | http://vhemt.org/) [06:35] DaemonFC[m] http://techrights.org/2020/09/25/re-last-phase-of-the-desktop-wars/ [06:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Response to Eric Raymond (ESR) on Last Phase of the Desktop Wars | Techrights [06:35] DaemonFC[m] They have a DEB and RPM package, at least. [06:36] DaemonFC[m] So it works on Fedora if you really wanted to install it. Finally, that idiot that was rooting for the ban of Kevin Kofler can run Edge on Fedora in WSL2. [06:37] DaemonFC[m] What is the point of Edge on Linux? [06:38] DaemonFC[m] "Todays release supports Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, and openSUSE distributions." [06:38] DaemonFC[m] Which means that it probably works on tons more, since they build on these. [06:38] DaemonFC[m] Also assuming that someone could probably dump out the binaries and repackage it into something else. [06:59] vZS1 If people trust anyone related to the OSI, they probably swallow crap without asking questions anyway. Nice to see a TR counter-argument. ● Dec 08 [07:02] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [07:04] *Blukunfando has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [07:05] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:13] *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [07:13] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights [07:24] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [07:28] *obarun has quit (Client Quit) [07:31] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [07:33] *obarun has quit (Client Quit) [07:53] *KREYREN has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:54] *KREYREN (~kreyren@fsf/member/kreyren) has joined #techrights ● Dec 08 [08:28] *Condor_ is now known as Condor [08:58] *search_social has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [08:59] *search_social (~search_so@99-112-18-250.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights ● Dec 08 [09:29] schestowitz vZS1: OSI is dead [09:29] schestowitz and it knows it [09:29] schestowitz That's why their General Manager quit some months ago. [09:52] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [09:55] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [09:56] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Dec 08 [10:26] *search_social has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [10:31] *kingoffrance has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [10:44] *kingoffrance (~x@2601:681:8200:b890:4b2a:b386:9d31:590e) has joined #techrights [10:44] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights ● Dec 08 [11:16] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [11:24] psydroid Mac or Windows (shills) or bust [11:26] psydroid they are using the M1 thing to twist Torvalds's words into him "wanting" an Apple Mac, when all he would really like to see is a powerful enough ARM desktop to do his kernel work on [11:27] psydroid there is too much at stake not to preserve the status quo [11:39] schestowitz https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus [11:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ourworldindata.org | Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) - Statistics and Research - Our World in Data ● Dec 08 [12:03] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:03] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [12:04] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [12:04] *inky (~inky@46.241.182.36) has joined #techrights [12:28] liberty_box https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-brit-grandma-90-becomes-23131603 [12:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mirror.co.uk | Brit grandma, 90, becomes first patient in world to receive Covid-19 jab - Mirror Online [12:47] schestowitz BS supreme [12:47] schestowitz " first patient in world" [12:47] schestowitz really? [12:47] schestowitz nope [12:55] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/10/10/bill-gates-in-india/ [12:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conspiracy Theories Have Successfully Distracted From Perfectly Legitimate and Real Scandals of Bill Gates in India, the Fertile Ground for Unethical Mass Experimentation on Humans | Techrights ● Dec 08 [13:27] *Blukunfando (~bkf@62.57.153.77.dyn.user.ono.com) has joined #techrights [13:59] schestowitz x https://www.wired.com/story/amnesia33-iot-vulnerabilitiesmay-never-get-fixed/ [13:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Critical Flaws in Millions of IoT Devices May Never Get Fixed | WIRED ● Dec 08 [14:19] MinceR (cat) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ1D2STVRK4 [14:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hungry Kitten/ Burger - YouTube ● Dec 08 [15:00] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:03] *psydroid uploaded an image: scaled_img20201208152704_01.jpg (221KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/IusoJyZQGmhjVLuaXumGUQSG/scaled_img20201208152704_01.jpg > [15:04] psydroid clouds hanging above the EPO [15:05] schestowitz let's see [15:05] schestowitz whose photo? [15:05] schestowitz iirc, one of us lives nearby [15:05] schestowitz was that you? [15:06] *schestowitz spent the past 2 hours investigating the family of EPO pres. [15:07] XRevan86 psydroid: This looks so like Russia. [15:08] XRevan86 except for the pole, the pole's weird [15:08] psydroid yes, I just came back from university to pick some stuff up for a lab and realised I wouldn't be taking that tram again for 6 weeks or so [15:09] schestowitz the date is in the filename [15:09] schestowitz I can see no other metadata [15:09] psydroid I don't know, I took it with this "smartphone" [15:12] schestowitz let me check to be sure [15:12] schestowitz to make sure I get the pronoun right, you're a male, right? [15:12] schestowitz better to check after that last fluke (Mogz) [15:12] psydroid yes, I am [15:14] psydroid I could have taken something better if I got off the tram and walked over there, but I just wanted to come home as soon as possible to work on my next assignment [15:14] schestowitz just to be sure I copied the image afresh, saved the copy [15:14] schestowitz that always eliminates meta [15:14] schestowitz unless there are watermarks or something, which is super-rare [15:15] psydroid oh, that sounds good [15:15] schestowitz many epo workers have not seen this building in months [15:15] schestowitz not weeks, months [15:15] schestowitz they're in 'house arrest' [15:17] psydroid living and working like that is terrible, no matter what compensation you get [15:17] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/08/clouds-hanging-above-the-epo/ [15:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Clouds Hanging Above the EPO | Techrights [15:17] schestowitz check is this is OK with you [15:17] schestowitz XRevan86 is quoted also [15:17] psydroid and the worst part is you get so specialised that it's hard to find another job [15:17] schestowitz EPO workers would want to see this [15:17] psydroid sure [15:18] schestowitz yes, many examiners explore contingencies at the moment [15:18] schestowitz I was told so [15:18] schestowitz layoffs come to the EPO, big ones... [15:18] psydroid it looks fine to me [15:19] MinceR https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/12/69d51f2476f60775.jpg [15:19] schestowitz can you check another with me, psydroid? [15:20] psydroid yes, I can [15:20] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/08/antonio-campinos-right-wing/ [15:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Antnio Campinos Mastered the Art of Ruling His Father Was Strongly Against | Techrights [15:21] schestowitz published seconds ago just for you [15:21] schestowitz I am trying to catch typos [15:22] psydroid I'm reading it now [15:23] schestowitz cheers! [15:26] psydroid "self-seving"->" self-serving" [15:26] schestowitz aha [15:26] schestowitz cheers [15:26] psydroid "we continues"->" we continue" [15:28] psydroid "rather than protect"->" rather than protects" (because you used "works" earlier in the sentence too) [15:29] psydroid the rest looks fine to me [15:29] *inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:30] schestowitz thanks, I'll link to that now [15:30] *cubexyz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:30] schestowitz techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Ant%C3%B3nio_Campinos [15:31] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [15:31] psydroid I'm getting an internal server error now [15:33] schestowitz try again now [15:33] schestowitz I was linking to the site, that generates about 500 hits within seconds [15:34] schestowitz maybe with the new server set up by Ariadne we won't have those issues... it also happens overnight when there are full DB backups taking place [15:34] psydroid it's still happening for me at least [15:35] schestowitz I think she even over-provisioned, with 32 CPU cores [15:35] psydroid so I will have another look in some minutes [15:35] schestowitz the wiki? [15:35] psydroid yes, the wiki [15:35] schestowitz weird [15:35] schestowitz the load is low [15:36] schestowitz and I see no 5xx errors in apachetop [15:36] schestowitz maybe your browser? [15:36] schestowitz the accents in the URL? [15:36] psydroid maybe it's my browser [15:36] psydroid yes, let me try another one [15:36] schestowitz try http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO [15:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights [15:36] schestowitz there are 4 404s [15:36] schestowitz in the past 30 secs [15:37] schestowitz some browsers cannot handle URLs for IRC logs' particular line either [15:37] schestowitz something with apostrophes in them, iirc [15:37] schestowitz falkon cannot cope [15:38] schestowitz maybe your IRC client [15:38] schestowitz rather than the browser [15:38] psydroid it's happening in Firefox, Midori and Chrome here on the "smartphone" [15:38] schestowitz maybe it sends weird URL to your browser [15:38] psydroid let me turn on my laptop [15:39] schestowitz Maybe I should from now on avoid accented characters in the wiki altogether [15:39] psydroid I also get a message about an "insecure connection" [15:39] schestowitz does it block the site? [15:39] schestowitz without some extension forcing https? [15:40] schestowitz Mozilla decided to follow Google in treating sites that don't have tls like they're malware or something [15:40] schestowitz in latest release, but it's optional only (for now) [15:40] psydroid I have no such extensions installed [15:41] schestowitz does it just warn or block? [15:41] psydroid only UBlock Origin and NoScript Suite [15:41] psydroid It warns and then I press "proceed anyway" [15:41] schestowitz we don't need JS for the site [15:42] schestowitz oh, wow [15:42] schestowitz stupid extensiobns [15:42] schestowitz they're supposed to block ads and JS, respectively [15:42] schestowitz not block sites that don't have a cert [15:44] *inky (~inky@46.241.182.36) has joined #techrights [15:46] psydroid Falkon deals with the wiki links just fine [15:46] psydroid let me try the other ones [15:47] schestowitz wer really need to promote http/web alternatives [15:47] schestowitz we end up with browser monopolies [15:47] schestowitz and "trust" monopolies [15:47] schestowitz they maginalise the 'SMEs' of the Internet] [15:48] psydroid so it only seems to be happening on the smartphone [15:48] psydroid and now I'm wondering what else they are blocking with those "smart" devices [15:48] schestowitz actually [15:49] schestowitz since you mention it [15:49] psydroid yes, that's what I've been saying for a long time [15:49] schestowitz having tls can get your site blocked [15:49] schestowitz older android phones [15:49] schestowitz because [15:49] schestowitz 1) the tls version (iirc 1.3) is "too new" for older phones [15:49] schestowitz so no workaround [15:49] schestowitz 2) letsencrypt abandons some old Android devices also [15:49] schestowitz so to get into some sites you need to throw away the old phone [15:50] psydroid this one is running Android 9 (ColorOS) [15:50] schestowitz unless it somehow still allows you to add Firefox [15:50] psydroid which is from last year [15:50] psydroid the phone is, I mean [15:50] schestowitz we mentioned it here http://techrights.org/2020/11/07/free-privacy-lunch/ [15:50] schestowitz they abandon legacy [15:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lets Encrypt is Garbage, Albeit Its Disguised as Free Privacy | Techrights [15:50] schestowitz forcing all people to do "smart" [15:51] schestowitz under the guise of "smart" and "secure" CC vZS1 [15:51] schestowitz "new" is "safe" [15:51] schestowitz the latest back doors [15:51] schestowitz and latest GOogle malware as "browser" [15:51] schestowitz https://lwn.net/Articles/836497/rss [15:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fallout from upcoming Let's Encrypt certificate changes [LWN.net] [15:51] schestowitz "As described in this Lets Encrypt blog entry, certificates issued by Lets Encrypt will soon be signed solely by that organizations own root certificate, which is accepted by all modern browsers. There is one little catch, though: versions of Android prior to 7.1.1 (released in late 2016) do not recognize that certificate and will start throwing errors. Currently, 66.2% of Android devices are running version 7.1 or above. [15:51] schestowitz The remaining 33.8% of Android devices will eventually start getting certificate errors when users visit sites that have a Lets Encrypt certificate. In our communications with large integrators, we have found that this represents around 1-5% of traffic to their sites. There appears to be little to be done about this problem other than to encourage owners of older Android devices to install Firefox." [15:51] schestowitz IOW: drop dead, people who don't buy new 'phones' [15:52] schestowitz my wife's old phone runs Android 2.x [15:52] schestowitz it's not connected to the network [15:52] schestowitz it's just using wifi, there's not even a phone number for it [15:52] schestowitz so many sites can no longer be accessed.... because 'novelty' [15:52] schestowitz even very simple text sites [15:53] psydroid I've replaced the roms with AOSP-based ones on all the older phones I have here and the next step would be to run pure GNU/Linux with upstream support on them, but that would require me to put some more time into reverse engineering drivers etc. [15:53] schestowitz good thing we move to ipfs and text only [15:53] psydroid and even then I'm not sure I would be able to get everything working again [15:53] schestowitz some of these devices are very expensive [15:53] schestowitz even more so if you buy peripherals and accessories to make them useful [15:54] schestowitz like screens, bluetooth keyboard and mice [15:54] vZS1 psydroid: try grapheneOS [15:54] vZS1 It should be less of a time investment [15:54] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [15:54] smnthermes https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-6.0-released [15:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.qt.io | Qt 6.0 Released [15:54] schestowitz usl connectors etc... you're talking about north of $1000 for a lousy PC with the motorola dragonball equivalent of 2020 [15:54] schestowitz smnthermes: proprietary now? [15:54] XRevan86 schestowitz: You could update the certificates on it, but Android 2.x that's a bit much. [15:55] psydroid vZS1, thanks, I will have a look at it, but my biggest worry is that the bootloaders and kernels aren't sufficiently open and mainlined for people to install whatever operating system on them that they want [15:56] psydroid it definitely looks like a war by these companies on their very own users [15:56] schestowitz smnthermes: I am looking for licensing info [15:56] vZS1 I'm pretty sure all the Android upstream GrapheneOS is based on is GPL [15:56] schestowitz did they postpone of put aside their proprietary licensing plans/scheme? [15:56] vZS1 Bootloader, idk [15:56] XRevan86 schestowitz: How does it web anyway? There are no up-to-date web browsers for Android 2.x. [15:57] XRevan86 And the old WebKit stuff is plain insecure. [15:57] schestowitz "licen" not found in page [15:58] psydroid the devices I have here aren't on the list of supported devices, but that's fine [15:58] psydroid I will need to start my reverse engineering efforts somewhere [15:59] vZS1 psydroid: They just want to turn every device into a DRM-locked interface. That's why you see things like Chromebooks. [15:59] vZS1 Low powered, no control. [15:59] psydroid it's mainly about the kernel, which know reasonably well, but I'm just not up to date with the latest changes ● Dec 08 [16:00] psydroid it's a moving target anyway [16:00] psydroid which I* [16:00] vZS1 Which kernel? [16:00] psydroid I mean getting a mainline kernel running on devices rather than some old vendor kernel [16:00] vZS1 Oh [16:01] psydroid with binary blobs for drivers [16:01] *gry has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:03] schestowitz or firmware blobs [16:03] schestowitz reminds me of DRM [16:03] schestowitz with their secret hashes [16:03] schestowitz "please enter secret code" [16:03] schestowitz or the 2FA cult [16:03] *gry (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #techrights [16:04] schestowitz let me use TWO -- not ONE -- back-doored "factor" [16:04] schestowitz you only really need one truly secure "factor" [16:04] schestowitz like a private SSH key [16:04] schestowitz (not hosted on Windows... LOL!" [16:04] schestowitz Microsoft 'supports' SSH [16:05] schestowitz MicrosoftLoveSSH^H^H^H^HNSA [16:05] vZS1 psydroid: If you'd like to share your work, I can help you sort out an IPFS node like I did for TR. [16:05] psydroid I had to do that for one phone, an old Sony Xperia T [16:05] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2015/06/03/windows-ssh/ [16:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Wants to Remove (or Deprecate) PuTTY From Windows and Replace It With Proprietary Microsoft Software | Techrights [16:05] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2015/10/21/openssh-insecure-by-design-with-microsoft/ [16:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsofts Insecure-by-Design (Sometimes With Back Doors) Contributions to OpenSSH | Techrights [16:05] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2015/12/05/openbsd-ssh-and-msft-back-doors/ [16:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Vista 10 is Swiss Cheese With Critical Bugs, More Microsoft Layoffs (HoloLens) Announced. So Why Did OpenBSD Accept Microsofts $1,000,000 Bribe? | Techrights [16:06] psydroid vZS1, sure, I will need to start blogging about things too, as I was asked about it by others as well [16:06] psydroid I jus never really felt I had enough knowledge to pull this stuff off [16:06] psydroid just* [16:06] DaemonFC[m] I saw the UPS truck with my computer drive by and now he's up there by the hospital.... [16:06] schestowitz it'll catch on, if not as ipfs, then something similar [16:06] DaemonFC[m] Maybe it's some sort of software routing the truck around. [16:07] schestowitz because fatigue is growing over 'web obesity', privacy, complexity etc. [16:07] schestowitz and social control media is already a fad [16:07] psydroid I think it's not just the fatigue [16:07] psydroid but why would I have to buy a new computer just to browse the web? [16:07] psydroid it didn't make sense in 2008 and it doesn't make sense now [16:08] schestowitz raspberrypi:~ $ uptime [16:08] schestowitz 16:07:53 up 32 days, 13:37, 3 users, load average: 1.57, 1.60, 1.62 [16:08] psydroid unless you bloat up the web to sell more devices [16:08] schestowitz ipfs stats bw [16:08] schestowitz Bandwidth [16:08] schestowitz TotalIn: 51 GB [16:08] schestowitz TotalOut: 21 GB [16:08] schestowitz RateIn: 16 kB/s [16:08] schestowitz RateOut: 4.8 kB/s [16:08] psydroid so people can be spied upon better and faster [16:08] schestowitz psydroid: partly developers' faulty [16:08] vZS1 I share huge video files with my friends over IPFS now too. [16:08] schestowitz they adopt "frameworks" [16:08] schestowitz like 2MB of Javascript for some "Effect" [16:09] vZS1 IPFS is honestly BitTorrent done better [16:09] schestowitz well, it is newer [16:09] schestowitz so if not done better, than done wrong [16:09] schestowitz theb [16:09] schestowitz *then [16:09] *inky (~inky@37.186.126.49) has joined #techrights [16:10] psydroid I understand wanting to abstract away the things that are boilerplate and doesn't allow you to differentiate your offerings, but then you should pick a proper and lean abstraction, not some monstrosity that just keeps growing bigger and bigger as well as slower and slower [16:10] psydroid s/doesn't/don't/ [16:10] XRevan86 https://android.googlesource.com/platform/system/ca-certificates/+/refs/heads/master/files/6187b673.0 that's the certificate [16:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-android.googlesource.com | files/6187b673.0 - platform/system/ca-certificates - Git at Google [16:12] vZS1 > I understand wanting to abstract away the things that are boilerplate and doesn't allow you to differentiate your offerings, but then you should pick a proper and lean abstraction, not some monstrosity that just keeps growing bigger and bigger as well as slower and slower [16:12] vZS1 All of these are legitimate engineering concerns [16:12] vZS1 The "web" is no longer about engineering [16:13] vZS1 And web browsers are the main reason why [16:13] schestowitz frameworks slapped around [16:13] schestowitz complete with "libraries" that enable "data science" [16:13] schestowitz or "analytics" [16:13] schestowitz "big data" [16:13] schestowitz "telemetry" [16:13] schestowitz not spying or surveillance... those stopped.... we stopped the words [16:13] schestowitz bye bye, "slave" and "master" [16:13] vZS1 Frameworks aren't the problem. That's just abstracting software. [16:14] vZS1 It's the toxicity of the web browser ecosystem [16:14] vZS1 It's an interface designed for users to lose control over their computing [16:16] vZS1 Soon enough you'll see a war on GTK and Qt [16:16] vZS1 To try and get everything fit into browsers. [16:16] vZS1 Chromebooks are the end goal of these efforts [16:16] schestowitz soon? [16:16] schestowitz that's over a decade ago [16:17] schestowitz yesterday at the gym I was reading about workflows [16:17] schestowitz some articles [16:17] schestowitz sadly a bunch of "apple cultists" [16:17] schestowitz and they go on and on about gsuite and stuff [16:17] schestowitz as if the "clown" should be presumed desirable [16:17] schestowitz I had to skip those parts [16:17] schestowitz about "notifications" and stuff [16:18] schestowitz it's the first thing I eradicate every time, it's mixing reading with writing [16:18] schestowitz now regarding the, "try and get everything fit into browsers," ... [16:18] schestowitz that's not new [16:18] schestowitz some OSes were created around 2007 for that [16:18] schestowitz like gOS [16:18] schestowitz and all those "google-first" 'Linuxes' [16:19] schestowitz where prior to chromeOS it was foreseen people would just want to boot into an interface over the web [16:19] schestowitz eyeOS [16:19] schestowitz IIRC, Mandriva's founder also attempted that [16:19] schestowitz Google had deeper pockest [16:19] schestowitz so it kept going at it, using integration around gmail and stuff to shove those into schools [16:20] schestowitz and compel OEMs to stock those Google-subsidised things [16:20] schestowitz so clearly people 'buy' (rent) these and we don't do a good enough job explaining to people the downsides [16:20] schestowitz they just see an (initially) low price mark [16:20] schestowitz then google tightens the screws [16:20] schestowitz even literally [16:21] schestowitz on people who modify chromebooks [16:21] schestowitz you need to unscrew like 20 screwed on a chromebook to boot something else [16:21] schestowitz last time I tried the screw was almost glued it [16:21] schestowitz I could never remove it [16:21] schestowitz or even turn it [16:21] schestowitz maybe by intention [16:21] schestowitz it ruined the screwdriver though [16:22] schestowitz until the screw was no longer even beveled, just a piece of stuck metal [16:22] schestowitz so to use a metaphor [16:22] schestowitz the future is screwed [16:22] schestowitz it's a screw [16:22] schestowitz they tell you to turn it around [16:22] schestowitz but it had no ridges [16:22] schestowitz so it's more of a "f u" [16:22] schestowitz you have a "choice"... of no real choice" [16:23] schestowitz get a soldering gun, melt the screw and good luck not melting the chassis in the process :-) [16:23] schestowitz "good luck... installing Linux ... LOL' -- Love, Google [16:23] schestowitz or just use "crostini" and call our malware "Linux" [16:23] schestowitz notice they also gradually look to abolish cruoton [16:23] vZS1 People would literally be better off just using the Rpi 4 [16:24] schestowitz having hired the sole (afaik) developer of crouton, david schneider [16:24] schestowitz and it's Microsoft-hosted now that Microsoft controls ShithUB [16:24] schestowitz RPI is "some assembly required" [16:24] schestowitz but that changes [16:24] schestowitz with the 400 [16:24] schestowitz and with some others that package is more nicely [16:25] schestowitz then you have pine64 and stuff [16:25] MinceR (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFoRDMEnPdg [16:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tabby cat meowing so cute like a duck - YouTube [16:26] schestowitz MinceR: didn't hear that [16:26] schestowitz gave up after 2 mins [16:27] schestowitz MinceR: they should make it shorter [16:27] schestowitz looks like somewhere in California or south Europe [16:27] MinceR there was one around 0:48, but it's not really like quacking [16:28] vZS1 Old laptops are also a good recommendation [16:28] MinceR i think it's in turkey [16:28] liberty_box https://www.itpro.co.uk/security/358041/microsoft-teams-wormable-rce-flaw [16:28] schestowitz I checked some yesterday [16:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | Zero-click 'wormable' RCE flaw uncovered in Microsoft Teams | IT PRO [16:28] schestowitz they relegated them [16:28] schestowitz to closed display units [16:28] schestowitz I assume due to covid19 [16:28] schestowitz not wanting many people to touch these [16:29] schestowitz I saw that yesterday [16:29] schestowitz I was surveying used monitors and mice [16:30] schestowitz MinceR: must be a good neighbourhood there [16:31] schestowitz well, you know they're affluent of they have pet caracals [16:31] schestowitz or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopardus [16:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Leopardus - Wikipedia [16:34] MinceR :3 [16:37] MinceR https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/11/cea3cdadafa5b1f8.jpg [16:39] DaemonFC[m] Yes, the web is getting so awful that my i7-6560U is having a stroke just trying to keep up with it. [16:39] DaemonFC[m] But I have no idea why Intel wasn't doing quad core for the i7 U stuff in 2016. [16:47] vZS1 Use CLI clients and use "browsers" only when necessary. I've got loads of pages stored locally. That way I can use them even without an internet connection. I just keep them in Git repos. [16:47] DaemonFC[m] Ugh, Plasma Discover froze or something. [16:47] DaemonFC[m] I think packagekit is still doing something, [16:49] schestowitz which distro? [16:49] schestowitz I never use "discover" [16:49] schestowitz reminds me of "app stores" [16:49] DaemonFC[m] +572 dead already [16:50] DaemonFC[m] Only 7 states reporting, and none of them are a major state. [16:50] schestowitz oh wow [16:50] schestowitz which states? [16:50] schestowitz and what total pop size? [16:50] schestowitz 50 mil? [16:50] DaemonFC[m] Veteran's Affairs too. [16:50] DaemonFC[m] +149 dead there. [16:51] DaemonFC[m] Trump said that he was justified in not wearing a mask around some surviving veterans of World War 2 because they were too great to die of COVID-19. [16:51] DaemonFC[m] They're in their 90s..... [16:52] schestowitz https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/07/us/chuck-yeager-death/index.html [16:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chuck Yeager, pilot who broke the sound barrier, dies at 97 - CNN [16:52] schestowitz too great to die [16:52] schestowitz boom. sonic boom. dead. [16:54] DaemonFC[m] "An incredible life well lived, America's greatest pilot," she tweeted. [16:54] DaemonFC[m] What about the X-15 pilots? They went into space. [16:54] vZS1 Tiger uppercut [16:54] DaemonFC[m] Or Captain Sully? He saved over 100 people's lives when he managed to land a plane on the Hudson. [16:55] DaemonFC[m] In exchange for that, they basically tried to put him on trial. [16:55] DaemonFC[m] They used simulators with pilots who knew the bird strikes were coming and reacted immediately, managing to return to the airport. [16:56] DaemonFC[m] When Sully insisted that they give them a delay in responding because anyone would have been confused about what had just happened and wondering what to do for a few moments and chatting back and forth with flight controllers who didn't immediately know what to do, all of the simulator crews ended up crashing trying to get back to the airport. [16:57] DaemonFC[m] During astronaut training, they have all kinds of shit going wrong in the simulators because you can't just train for a perfect mission. [16:57] DaemonFC[m] Because there probably won't be one. They need people who can think on their feet. [16:59] DaemonFC[m] Planning a simulation where the pilots know immediately what happened and turn back to the airport, having the benefit of knowing that that will work isn't realisting. [16:59] DaemonFC[m] *realistic [16:59] DaemonFC[m] Running out of power and crashing a few dozen feet short of the runway doesn't take much of a difference. ● Dec 08 [17:00] DaemonFC[m] A few seconds of delay in not turning around. [17:01] DaemonFC[m] But those companies are pissed off about losing a very expensive aircraft and they know passengers may sue them, so they were trying to throw the guy under the bus. [17:02] DaemonFC[m] Still, it was repulsive to watch them try, even though you know it's coming. Right? [17:04] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Well, it used to be pretty clear what to do with a computer that was getting up there in age. [17:04] DaemonFC[m] There were still gains to be had from switching to a lightweight desktop environment. [17:05] DaemonFC[m] But there's been some convergence. The lighter ones have put on weight around the same time the full features ones went on a bug hunt closing all sorts of disastrous performance issue and memory leaks and bloat. [17:05] DaemonFC[m] So there's not really much of a difference these days except what your preference is. [17:06] DaemonFC[m] GNOME had been accumulating performance disasters, and now it seems like Canonical realizes they need to make it work, and it was not as responsive as Unity was, so they've tasked someone to sort through the mess, assigning them priorities and trying to fix the worst ones each cycle. [17:08] DaemonFC[m] The default rheme was just downright hideous. [17:08] DaemonFC[m] *theme [17:08] DaemonFC[m] So Torvalds was talking about it as sort of a lipstick on the pig type of thing. [17:08] DaemonFC[m] It did not work well, it was not approachable, and it didn't perform well. [17:12] psydroid my take on it is that things need to be rebuilt from scratch with simplicity and performance in mind [17:13] psydroid as far as GNU/Linux is concerned it has become what it set out to displace (proprietary UNIX) [17:14] psydroid and I'm starting to wonder if the same mistakes need to made every 30 years [17:14] psydroid to be made* [17:14] DaemonFC[m] It's accumulated a lot of crap, that's for sure. [17:23] vZS1 It's still possible to build a light system with GNU/Linux. But you need to build the setup from scratch. [17:24] DaemonFC[m] Amazon has those Microsoft bluetooth mice in the Warehouse Deals. [17:24] DaemonFC[m] I assume this is generic enough to work with Linux. [17:26] vZS1 USB peripherals like keyboards and mice are all very standardised [17:26] DaemonFC[m] Mandy was shocked that his statin drug might be causing side effects. I looked at his cholesterol numbers and triglycerides and they were so low I don't even think he needs to be on these. At all. [17:27] DaemonFC[m] I think some doctor two years ago prescribed them and some other one has been refilling them without paying attention and he's just bee swallowing them every night. [17:27] DaemonFC[m] So I told him quit taking them for a while and see what the numbers are like. The worst thing is he may have to go back on them at half dose. [17:27] *balrog has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:28] DaemonFC[m] I was like "What the hell is going on in there?". Doctors.... [17:28] DaemonFC[m] And of course he's all like "Well, the doctor never mentioned that it could do this." and I was like, "They never do. Every drug has side effects and risks, and the doctors never go over them or talk to you about other options. They just prescribe them.". [17:29] DaemonFC[m] I was talking to a doctor back when Amazon had a forum and I asked her why doctors just prescribe this junk like it's candy instead of asking the patient if they can watch their saturated fats or sodium or whatever. [17:29] DaemonFC[m] And she was like "Because we just give up because nobody listens to us.". [17:30] DaemonFC[m] It seems unethical, to me, for a doctor to not at least tell you what your options are and what the drug might do. [17:32] DaemonFC[m] Or they see that your numbers are just a tad high but nothing horrific and they start whipping out the prescription pad with drugs where the risks aren't worth the benefit. [17:32] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: It doesn't surprise me at all that people have sodium that's too high. [17:33] kingoffrance im thinking these 2 topics (software bloat, and pushing drugs to users) overlap, because nobody listens to us [17:33] DaemonFC[m] In many cases, the reduced sodium version of something is 2-3 times as expensive, and still has a ton of sodium. [17:33] DaemonFC[m] No they don't. [17:33] DaemonFC[m] You can tell people that Windows is terrible for their privacy. [17:33] DaemonFC[m] That Windows 10 data mines them like Facebook, which they also probably use. [17:33] vZS1 The BSDs are a good example of light deployments. [17:33] DaemonFC[m] Does no good at all. [17:34] vZS1 If you do a BSD install without X, you can then build a very light system on top of that. [17:34] DaemonFC[m] Even at the rather innocent-sounding "Basic" level of telemetry, Microsoft still gets an alarming amount of data about you. [17:35] DaemonFC[m] They say "Required to keep Windows working." but people who deactivate the telemetry services don't seem to have more troubles. [17:35] DaemonFC[m] I would guess that the Chromebook is worse for privacy though. [17:36] DaemonFC[m] Or at least not any better. [17:36] DaemonFC[m] Bulk user data is not just highly profitable, but storing it and giving it to the government is a get out of jail free card when the antitrust people come a knocking. [17:37] kingoffrance also, im going to throw a ""Tatsumuki Senpuu Kyaku"" in there [17:37] DaemonFC[m] And that's why mjg59's employer isn't facing any consumer harm complaints from DoJ about their spyware. [17:37] DaemonFC[m] And why this antitrust thing is all fake and will go away once they make some backroom deal to do whatever it is the government is really pressuring them about. [17:38] DaemonFC[m] What's funny about Windows 10 is that Microsoft said they were going to make a clean break with IE (with Edge), but then they just repeated the same mistake. [17:39] DaemonFC[m] They made it part of the WinRT API and now EdgeHTML is going to be there for like 20 years. [17:39] DaemonFC[m] So you have three browsers you can't get rid of. [17:39] DaemonFC[m] And two don't even work properly with modern websites. [17:41] *balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) has joined #techrights [17:45] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: +922 with 13 states in. [17:46] DaemonFC[m] This is going to be one of those days where we at least get close to 3,000 again. [17:46] DaemonFC[m] The guy on the radio this morning quoted the WHO saying about 2 Americans are dying of COVID every minute. [17:52] psydroid they aren't going to pull the trigger themselves, so others will have to do it for them [17:53] psydroid macOS has gone the same way, just by running GNU/Linux on the same hardware you can almost double your performance [17:53] schestowitz Ariadne: https://www.maketecheasier.com/beware-fake-ps5-sales-concrete-block-sold-ebay/ [17:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Beware of Fake PS5 Sales Concrete Block Sold on eBay - Make Tech Easier [17:53] psydroid and that's even considering the current state of GNU/Linux, which isn't what it used to be [17:55] *balrog has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) ● Dec 08 [18:01] schestowitz [17:45] schestowitz: +922 with 13 states in. [18:01] schestowitz Congrats, Ryan [18:01] schestowitz 1140 minutes per day [18:02] schestowitz so 2280 per day, inc. weekend, is one death every 30 seconds [18:02] schestowitz make it 3420 and it's one every 20 seconds [18:02] schestowitz let's see if we get there today [18:02] schestowitz 3 dead per minute [18:03] schestowitz [17:33] im thinking these 2 topics (software bloat, and pushing drugs to users) overlap, because nobody listens to us [18:03] schestowitz maybe an analogy is in order [18:04] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [18:06] DaemonFC[m] Those Microsoft Surface Arc Mouse things look like they'd be downright painful to use. [18:06] DaemonFC[m] And I'm wondering if Linux even supports the emulated scroll wheel. [18:06] *balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) has joined #techrights [18:08] vZS1 psydroid: do you have a PGP public key with a contact address on it? [18:10] psydroid vZS1, not currently, but I can make one this weekend and share it with you, if that's not too late for you [18:10] vZS1 psydroid: that works. [18:14] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I got an open box special on a Microsoft bluetooth mouse. Half off. [18:14] DaemonFC[m] So like $13. [18:14] DaemonFC[m] My current one ties up a USB port. :/ [18:14] schestowitz what's the selling point? [18:14] schestowitz 13 dollars isn't so cheap [18:14] schestowitz i bet my GXT ones for that price [18:15] DaemonFC[m] Bluetooth 5.0 LE and supposed to get 12 months battery life. [18:15] DaemonFC[m] One reviewer said it works fine with Ubuntu 20.04. [18:15] schestowitz and they're quite nice and reliable, so over the years we bought 3 of them [18:15] schestowitz my mice have battery life of 1200 months [18:15] DaemonFC[m] At least at one point, Microsoft mice and keyboard were made by logitech. [18:15] DaemonFC[m] If you brought up the details it would say logitech in the vendor name sometimes. [18:16] schestowitz some reported they wanted to buy Logitech? [18:16] schestowitz I guess rebranding suited them better [18:16] DaemonFC[m] I've had Microsoft peripherals before. [18:16] schestowitz I have very bad luck with Logitech... 'luck;; [18:16] DaemonFC[m] Sometimes they were cheaper than the Logitech product they were rebranded from. [18:16] schestowitz They don't last long for me [18:17] DaemonFC[m] The biggest issue I had was a webcam that didn't want to work with Windows 7. [18:17] schestowitz Logitech charges extra for a name [18:17] schestowitz anyway, so you bought Microsoft [18:17] schestowitz and not even cheao [18:17] schestowitz and now you need to buy batteries [18:17] DaemonFC[m] I eventually got around it by extracting the driver from the setup program that said unsupported OS, and installed it that way. [18:17] schestowitz for your "protector display" :-) [18:17] schestowitz *projector [18:18] DaemonFC[m] Turns out it worked fine and Logitech was putting a block on Windows 7 to make you go out and buy another webcam. [18:18] schestowitz I have a creative webcam somewhere [18:18] schestowitz have not used it in nearly a decade [18:18] schestowitz anyway, bbl [18:19] DaemonFC[m] There was a Windows generic UVC driver for the webcam, but it operated it at the wrong resolution. [18:19] DaemonFC[m] So obviously that wasn't a solution. [18:19] DaemonFC[m] That's like saying Windows supports your graphics card because it has a VESA driver somewhere. [18:25] vZS1 DaemonFC[m]: `$ less /proc/bus/input/devices` [18:25] vZS1 Will show you who the manufacturer is, usually. [18:26] vZS1 Most of the time, they don't even bother to wipe the internal metadata on rebranded devices. [18:28] DaemonFC[m] Conde Nasty gave me another tsk tsk ban a while back. [18:28] DaemonFC[m] I barely post anything to Reddit anymore because some asshole will take offense and go CoC! OMG! [18:30] DaemonFC[m] I got an email from Tumblr saying "Are you still daemonfc? It's been a while.". [18:31] DaemonFC[m] I said, to myself, "Yeah, it has been a while since you took freedom of expression out back and shot it because Apple threatened to toss you out of their Crapp Store.". [18:31] DaemonFC[m] That's pretty much why Tumblr emptied out and now Reddit is going the same direction. [18:31] DaemonFC[m] They had a Youtube video that was mocking the CEO of Tumblr. [18:31] DaemonFC[m] Shocked to learn that 90% of the users left because they deleted the porn. [18:32] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, all your users were porn monkeys and Apple chased them off with your help. Congrats. [18:32] DaemonFC[m] You could have totally sold ad impressions to at least....some people that were using your site for something, but not now I guess. [18:32] DaemonFC[m] Have fun selling that off for pennies. [18:33] DaemonFC[m] That's pretty much the danger of replacing websites with apps. [18:33] DaemonFC[m] When it's an app, it doesn't have freedom of speech anymore. If Apple or Google don't like you, byeeeeeee. [18:34] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19624518\ [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #linuxFoundation "loves Linux" is rapidly becoming just as laughable as "Microsoft loves Linux" http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights [18:34] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19624512 [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In December 2020 or by the year's end it's clear that #linuxDOTcom is defunct as well as barely active. Killed by so-called #linuxFoundation (they're not interested in such an important domain; fired ALL the staff). [18:35] DaemonFC[m] I was drawn to Reddit, like many people, due to their formerly fairly libertarian stance on speech. [18:35] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19624529 [18:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft : Microsoft loves Linux, but we hate using Linux and don't use it Jim Zemlin: me too!! LOVE! Like. [18:35] DaemonFC[m] That's dead and buried, honestly. And a lot of these subreddits, which anyone could be the first to claim, have been completely hijacked. [18:35] schestowitz corporate agenda [18:35] schestowitz not 100% [18:36] schestowitz but enough to be off-putting [18:36] DaemonFC[m] Especially /r/Linux. It's all about WSL2 now and you get banned for even making fun of Microsoft, even if it's not actually something that would offend, or if it's about their own offensive behavior. [18:36] DaemonFC[m] BIG BOOBS BIG BOOBS HONK HONK.... [18:36] DaemonFC[m] mjg59didn't like that, even, but he still implements their agenda in the kernel. [18:37] cybrNaut i was a Reddit fan as well for a bit, but then the censorship got really out of hand. I would create my own sub, and post something that a mod of another sub censored, and Reddit would still censor it.. someone (or some bot) above moderators [18:38] cybrNaut so i'm done with Reddit [18:38] vZS1 I caused a big ruckus in r/Linux a few months back. They couldn't censor me because of all the support. (: [18:38] vZS1 But I agree. r/Linux is controlled by Microsoft blood. [18:38] DaemonFC[m] mjg59: Criticizes Microsoft for being a sausage party full of toxic masculinity with Asperger's. [18:39] DaemonFC[m] mjg59: Also implements Microsoft's draconian restrictions on the user's computer. [18:39] vZS1 s/blood/now [18:40] vZS1 Stupid phone keyboard [18:40] DaemonFC[m] Once malware gets a beachhead, it's basically already too late. Instead of securing Windows and removing obsolete dead and redundant code..... [18:40] DaemonFC[m] They pervert the system firmware with all kinds of nasties. [18:41] cybrNaut Belgian police found stolen bikes and posted pics of them to Facebook. Ppl who had a bike stolen were unable to see the pics unless they create a Facebook acct. I posted about it in r/Brussels, and Octave censored it [18:41] cybrNaut not sure why the r/Brussels mod would be so protective of Facebook [18:42] vZS1 cybrNaut: you can share those pictures on IPFS. Can put a contact number on each image. [18:42] vZS1 I would have helped, if you asked me. We could piggyback off the ipfs.io http gateway [18:43] vZS1 Then it becomes as simple as sharing a URL [18:43] smnthermes https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ [18:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream Blog.CentOS.org [18:43] smnthermes Oof [18:43] *XRevan86 sheds a solid tear. [18:44] schestowitz we use centos [18:44] schestowitz this was predictable [18:44] schestowitz I was not sure if they'd even release 8.x of it [18:45] cybrNaut vZS1: my problem was that the police were only serving victims if they happened to have a Facebook acct. Don't you still need a FB acct to get the content out of FB's walled garden? [18:46] cybrNaut i'm not really up to speed with how IPFS works [18:46] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19624585 [18:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #centos news of the day in a nutshell: IBM: pay us for #redhat distros or GTFO (or have no stability) This was foreseeable [18:46] vZS1 cybrNaut: you could ask someone with a Facebook account to get the details and pictures and at least share those pictures with some contact information. Idk about the police and Facebook but at least people not on Facebook could help that way. [18:47] XRevan86 Would be funny if suddenly a new CentOS will pop up. [18:47] XRevan86 with the original formula [18:47] schestowitz [18:40] Stupid phone keyboard [18:47] schestowitz [18:40] Stupid phone [18:47] schestowitz fixed [18:47] schestowitz 'phone' [18:47] schestowitz scare quotes help [18:48] schestowitz (yes, they can ALSO receive calls, I know) [18:48] vZS1 cybrNaut: think like BitTorrent. [18:48] vZS1 But easier to share because of http gateways [18:48] XRevan86 Possible names: TsentOS or KentOS :) [18:49] cybrNaut i also have a problem with the police requiring victims to have a friend who has Facebook. I only knew that the police were using FB b/c a newspaper wrote about it [18:49] vZS1 cybrNaut: I share your concerns. [18:49] vZS1 Too much law enforcement on social media [18:49] cybrNaut police are public servants, and should be serving the whole public [18:50] vZS1 cybrNaut: why don't you write up these thoughts and the case you experienced. Send it to schestowitz. This is the type of stuff that should be on TR. [18:52] cybrNaut vZS1: good idea. Would also be cool to incorporate the Striesand effect w/Reddit censorship [18:53] vZS1 cybrNaut: Go for it. I'll share them when they pop up in my RSS. (: [18:54] cybrNaut cool [18:55] cybrNaut maybe i'll get time in the next couple days to get it blogged [18:55] vZS1 Looking forward to it. [18:56] *aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [18:59] vZS1 schestowitz: did you read the email yet? [18:59] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: So Season 4 of The Man in the High Castle. [18:59] schestowitz I did [18:59] schestowitz I liked to it a few times [18:59] schestowitz the links therein [18:59] DaemonFC[m] Where the Nazis start stealing tech and stuff from the multiverse. [18:59] DaemonFC[m] I was like "Aperture Science brought to you by the Nazis!". [18:59] DaemonFC[m] Then I wondered why they would even need tech from the multiverse. ● Dec 08 [19:00] DaemonFC[m] The Nazis in the in-story universe had easily 1980s level technology in the 1960s. [19:01] DaemonFC[m] It's looking like they were ahead of our universe by about 20 years on most things. [19:01] DaemonFC[m] Although it did kind of suggest that since they would kill people with disabling illness that they weren't as far along in medicine. [19:01] vZS1 schestowitz: there are some major issues that are being sidelined. Priorities are pretty skewed as well. I'll keep you updated as my work on this front progresses. [19:02] MinceR :> [19:02] DaemonFC[m] Nazi universe John Smith's son was put down by the state for having a crippling illness while his alt-world son was alive and healthy. [19:02] MinceR or they claimed he had a crippling illness [19:02] DaemonFC[m] You know, the whole "put down by the state for being a drag on the economy" is not that far off from what the Republicans want to do. [19:03] DaemonFC[m] Which is why they want to let Coronavirus run its course. [19:03] MinceR never believe authoritarian regimes [19:03] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: So you figure that it was manageable but they didn't want to put resources into helping him. [19:03] MinceR or they poisoned him [19:04] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, there's a lot of people who are able to lead relatively normal lives in our universe, but at tremendous cost to healthcare programs. [19:04] DaemonFC[m] Trump's bout of COVID apparently cost taxpayers about a million dollars. [19:04] DaemonFC[m] So that he could be treated with something that no member of the public could have. [19:04] DaemonFC[m] Otherwise he'd be deader than a doornail right now. [19:06] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiKuxfcSrEU [19:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Shrek (2001) - Some of you May Die, But it's a Sacrifice I am Willing to Make - YouTube [19:06] DaemonFC[m] But they give him a million dollars worth of healthcare and a drug that nobody else can get and he act like he just sprang back from a cold that sent him to the hospital for largely no reason. [19:06] DaemonFC[m] It's this kind of fake macho crap that my parents admire. [19:06] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [19:08] DaemonFC[m] A million dollars worth of what, exactly? He was in there for about 4 days. He's 76 years old. He's probably got like a year or two left. [19:09] DaemonFC[m] And they spend enough money to treat 10 patients who get HIV when they're 18 and live their entire life. [19:18] schestowitz [18:59] Where the Nazis start stealing tech and stuff from the multiverse. [19:19] schestowitz Many copied the german mechanics [19:19] schestowitz like their fast machine guns [19:19] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxKFs2vANJw [19:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WW2 German MG42 Machine Gun Test Fire - YouTube [19:19] schestowitz This one looks like a cop [19:19] schestowitz I bet some US cops have nazi fetish [19:19] schestowitz as they have blacks so much [19:19] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhOrY88MGbM [19:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WW2 German MG42 Machine Gun Demonstration - YouTube [19:19] DaemonFC[m] You think they would have kept progressing fast enough to be at 80s level tech by 1963? [19:19] schestowitz this one seems like US military [19:20] schestowitz the more modern tank-mounted machine guns ae scary fast [19:20] schestowitz and the rounds are hugely long, bullets massive [19:20] schestowitz they're spraying thousands per minute [19:20] schestowitz maybe 1cm thick [19:20] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, well, when you're under attack you really don't have time to be precise. [19:20] schestowitz so tech today would make wars more lethal [19:21] schestowitz even without nukes [19:21] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3Dp6Fass2Y [19:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"The Hand of God" M61 20mm Vulcan Cannon - YouTube [19:21] schestowitz 20mm [19:21] schestowitz 2 cm [19:21] schestowitz almost one inch thick [19:22] schestowitz 6000rpm [19:22] DaemonFC[m] UPS has this new "feature" where if you don't create an account and log in, they give you a much fuzzier estimate of when your package will be there. [19:23] DaemonFC[m] But if you log in, they tell you a 5 hour window. [19:23] schestowitz US empire going down the drain [19:23] schestowitz they'll just auction away weapons [19:23] schestowitz Trump has just done that [19:23] schestowitz more weapons sales [19:23] schestowitz even to hostile and erratic nations [19:23] schestowitz (more than the US) [19:24] DaemonFC[m] I heard Congress was not likely to approve that sale to the UAE. [19:24] DaemonFC[m] There's more than a few who don't want to destabilize the region that much or at least don't want our latest stuff getting sold to the Chinese to tear down and figure out. [19:24] *inky (~inky@46.162.236.32) has joined #techrights [19:25] schestowitz https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/7/22160181/rebekah-jones-raid-seizure-search-warrant-covid-19-whistleblower-florida [19:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | With guns drawn, police raid home and seize computers of COVID-19 data whistleblower - The Verge [19:25] schestowitz https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201207/14591845837/florida-state-police-raid-home-covid-whistleblower-point-guns-her-her-family-seize-all-her-computer-equipment.shtml [19:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Florida State Police Raid Home Of COVID Whistleblower, Point Guns At Her & Her Family, Seize All Her Computer Equipment | Techdirt [19:25] schestowitz What gets me is this [19:25] schestowitz not dangerous [19:25] schestowitz not armed [19:25] schestowitz female [19:25] schestowitz FL [19:25] schestowitz scientist [19:25] schestowitz and why send a bunch of violent goons after her [19:25] schestowitz GOP-majority state? [19:25] schestowitz wth did they think the world would think?] [19:25] schestowitz so far today FL reports about 120 dearhs [19:25] schestowitz maybe that's the total [19:26] schestowitz after this raid fewer people would trust the numbers [19:26] schestowitz so who knows how many REALLY die there? [19:26] schestowitz maybe worse than NYS [19:26] DaemonFC[m] There's no rhyme or reason to what Illinois is doing. [19:26] DaemonFC[m] They shut down the DMV for two weeks. [19:27] DaemonFC[m] I don't even know if they're open again. [19:27] DaemonFC[m] If they are, they'll say "Everyone stands out in the freezing cold for 4 hours, and since it's Thursday we'll mitigate the Coronavirus by making you do it on one foot so when you get up to the people at the folding card table, they'll say they need different documents than what you brought with you!". [19:28] DaemonFC[m] https://www.daily-chronicle.com/2020/12/04/illinois-secretary-of-state-jesse-white-extends-driver-services-facilities-closures-until-jan-5/ake0y0k/ [19:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.daily-chronicle.com | Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White extends driver services facilities closures until Jan. 5 | Daily Chronicle [19:28] DaemonFC[m] Now they're closed until January 5th. [19:28] DaemonFC[m] Well, that answers that. [19:29] DaemonFC[m] I'm sure all of those fucking assholes that "work" there harassing the public are still drawing their entire paycheck. [19:30] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Best Buy didn't have any terrific laptop deals. [19:30] DaemonFC[m] Seems Lenovo undercut them. Probably because Best Buy has to mark shit up to make up for the whole store thing. [19:31] DaemonFC[m] I didn't get a touch screen or 4K this time. [19:31] *search_social (~search_so@99-112-18-250.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [19:31] DaemonFC[m] Largely because it ended up being a power hogging nightmare that I barely used this time around. [19:32] DaemonFC[m] KDE doesn't even have full support for touch screens and why would you even flip a laptop that weighs 7 or 8 times what a tablet does over and try to use it without a keyboard anyway? [19:33] DaemonFC[m] I think these 2-in-1 things are mostly pointless, having owned one for over 4 years now. [19:33] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Microsoft said they're going to use WSL2 to bring Android apps to Windows, but the tech news actually threw a lot of cold water on that one. [19:34] DaemonFC[m] The one I was reading pointed out that without Google Play Services, most of them are unlikely to work properly, and basically "Why would you want Android apps on a PC anyway?". [19:34] DaemonFC[m] A lot of this WSL stuff is a money pit for Microsoft. [19:34] DaemonFC[m] It's a solution in search of a problem, and it doesn't even do its job well if by job you mean running Linux workloads with good performance. [19:35] DaemonFC[m] And it introduces the 7 circles of hell that Windows brings to the security and reliability table. [19:35] DaemonFC[m] Is Phoronix still pushing it? [19:35] schestowitz [19:33] schestowitz: Microsoft said they're going to use WSL2 to bring Android apps to Windows, but the tech news actually threw a lot of cold water on that one. [19:35] schestowitz Nothing news [19:35] schestowitz new [19:35] schestowitz
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    Whats At Stake in Julian Assanges Extradition Trial
    [19:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Whats At Stake in Julian Assanges Extradition Trial | The Nation [19:35] schestowitz
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    Julian Assanges extradition trial in London this fall revealed the lengths to which the US government was willing to go to secure the return of the WikiLeaks founder to America. It also threw light on a disturbing abuse of process in the English courts.

  • [19:35] schestowitz oops [19:35] schestowitz wrong paste [19:35] schestowitz except the branding [19:36] schestowitz it's nothing nrws [19:36] schestowitz many programs do it already [19:36] schestowitz they ALSO run on Windows [19:36] schestowitz and not only [19:36] schestowitz Microsoft: stop using NOT WIndows [19:36] DaemonFC[m] Well, I mean you can run an Android Runtime on it I guess, but why would you? [19:36] schestowitz Microsoft: look! You can run this stuff ALSO on Windows [19:36] DaemonFC[m] AOSP actually isn't good for much of anything because it's not meant to be. [19:36] DaemonFC[m] It's like what Darwin is to Mac OS. [19:36] schestowitz [19:35] Is Phoronix still pushing it? [19:37] schestowitz Michael pushed a lot of Microsoft lately [19:37] schestowitz like 4 items in 3 days [19:37] schestowitz because news is slow [19:37] schestowitz and it's a shame [19:37] schestowitz because it makes me change my view/feelings about phoronix [19:37] schestowitz sometimes there's also obvious clickbait [19:42] CrystalMath important pandemic notice: calling on all serial killers to make sure they use different knives for different murders to reduce the spread of COVID-19; stay safe! [19:42] CrystalMath (an alternative is properly disinfecting the knives) [19:47] *jaggz (~jaggz@unaffiliated/jaggz) has joined #techrights [19:51] schestowitz any typos here? http://techrights.org/2020/12/08/linux-foundation-rejects-linux/ [19:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Does Not Love Linux | Techrights [19:54] jaggz schestowitz, the summary itself? [19:56] jaggz in american english you'd capitalize the "Me too!" Otherwise I don't see anything [19:57] *search_social has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [19:58] schestowitz MeToo is a hashtag now [19:58] *marie_antoinette (55933c82@85-147-60-130.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [19:59] marie_antoinette Bonjour chers collegues [19:59] schestowitz 0/ ● Dec 08 [20:01] jaggz has linux been infiltrated and destroyed? [20:01] jaggz exploiting torvalds' weaknesses and getting him out too? [20:01] jaggz (I don't know what's going on) [20:03] *marie_antoinette has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:05] schestowitz corporate takeover [20:05] schestowitz Linux succeeded [20:05] schestowitz so it needs to be passed over [20:05] schestowitz volunteers' work [20:05] schestowitz it has value [20:06] schestowitz it would be a shame if that did not become privatiser corporate value [20:06] schestowitz *privatised [20:06] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [20:06] schestowitz Torvalds is expected to just smile, nod, get along.. if he wants to stay part of jis project [20:07] schestowitz RMS was almost ousted from his (GNU) [20:07] schestowitz some people still work at it [20:07] schestowitz so he's keeping mostly quiet [20:07] jaggz nod [20:07] schestowitz to avoid saying anything "controversial" which would fuel the oussters [20:08] jaggz thanks [20:11] jaggz (sorry.. tired so I shouldn't be talking much) [20:12] schestowitz why not? can be tired and still talk.. [20:12] jaggz , [20:12] schestowitz http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/145221 [20:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Reports Using Macs and Janssen Project | Tux Machines [20:12] jaggz schestowitz, maybe I'll say dumber things. Really it's because I should get some rest so I can be responsible for the health of my family :) [20:14] jaggz I don't understand why they'd be using macs. I saw the walking-desk vid of torvalds and, iirc, a mac was his main system [20:14] schestowitz you are anon, so... [20:14] schestowitz once upon a time he put gnu/linux on a "mac" [20:14] schestowitz but he doesn't use the OS [20:14] schestowitz the LF does [20:15] schestowitz it's good [20:15] schestowitz because... [20:15] schestowitz that helps us see who they really are [20:15] schestowitz on a more superficial level [20:16] schestowitz like SPAMnil saying he admires Microsoft [20:16] schestowitz and acting like an Apple fanbi while LF employs him to edits on his own Linux.com [20:16] schestowitz and then hiring people from Microsoft [20:16] schestowitz so we can write them off as sold and defunct; same for OSI and SFC BTW [20:17] schestowitz You are what you do, we see what you do, we we know what you are, what you stand for etc. [20:17] schestowitz we we -> so we [20:17] schestowitz as frustrating as it may be, at least you know who's a waste of time to interact with [20:18] schestowitz webmink (Phipps) might still be mostly OK, same for Perens [20:18] schestowitz but they left the OSI, which was destroyed not due to their own faults [20:18] schestowitz I think webmink was shamed using the diversity card into handing it over [20:18] schestowitz Perens is OK [20:19] schestowitz RMS I speak to sometimes; he's OK but 'camera-shy' [20:19] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [20:19] schestowitz I guess he got mortified a bit by 2019 events [20:19] schestowitz and that left him mildly shocked/traumatised, the social control media lynch mobs and nasty press releases from GNOME, SFC and other turncoats in Microsoft's pockets [20:20] jaggz must be a nightmare to be in such a position [20:21] jaggz they have to be strong in character and belief, and then their eccentricities are used to attack them [20:22] jaggz anyway, I'm not fully-knowledgeable in this arena so... [20:22] jaggz I have to look up the terms and names you bring up [20:22] jaggz well, I'll be around.. so.. will ttyl. :) [20:23] jaggz nap time.. gotta be up in a few hours again.. bleh [20:25] schestowitz ok [20:29] DaemonFC[m] The maintenance man is over in the apartment across the hall spraypainting stuff. [20:30] DaemonFC[m] I moved both my AirGenius towers in here and have them running full blast. [20:30] DaemonFC[m] It looks like the Sentry Guns from Aliens. [20:32] jaggz fumes? or throw a sheet over them to catch some of the gunk to preserve a bit of life of your filters? [20:33] jaggz anyway.. keep doors closed.. air/fan blowing in for positive pressure [20:33] jaggz not from the place where they'd pull the paint air in of course :) [20:34] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: over 2000 deaths now [20:34] schestowitz it's only 5pm there, ny timezone [20:35] jaggz https://theintercept.com/2020/12/07/pfas-pfba-severe-covid-study/ [20:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theintercept.com | PFAS Chemical Associated With Severe Covid-19 [20:37] schestowitz oligarchs-run site, pretends to be independent journalism (i.e. PLEASE SPONSOR A BILLIONAIRE!)\ [20:37] schestowitz even worse than Guardian [20:37] schestowitz which takes money from billionaires [20:37] schestowitz and asks for donations [20:37] *inky (~inky@141.136.79.29) has joined #techrights [20:37] schestowitz same for NPR [20:37] schestowitz BBC takes TV licensing money [20:38] schestowitz and then takes bribes from Gates [20:38] schestowitz all the above are Gates-bribed [20:38] jaggz good to know. I'm always suspicious of that. In this case, I don't care about the site, just the direction to the research [20:39] schestowitz "Consider what the world of media would look like without The Intercept. Who would hold party elites accountable to the values they proclaim to have? How many covert wars, miscarriages of justice, and dystopian technologies would remain hidden if our reporters werent on the beat?" [20:39] schestowitz They don't say Omidyar runs them [20:39] schestowitz and Greenwald, a co-founder, quiet [20:39] schestowitz because the owner's editor would not let him have a go at Biden [20:40] schestowitz and Trump haters blindly sided with Olidyar on this [20:40] schestowitz because... Trump [20:40] schestowitz *Omidyar [20:40] schestowitz The popup, which is new to me, says: [20:40] schestowitz "SUPPORT INDEPENDENT JOURNALISM" [20:40] schestowitz seems to be an image of text [20:40] schestowitz in large fonts [20:40] schestowitz and it covers the whole page [20:41] jaggz yeah I got that too [20:41] schestowitz it can help the billionaire raise money [20:41] schestowitz and also give creds to the site [20:41] schestowitz so people won't know who really owns and runs it [20:41] schestowitz he was banned in .ph [20:41] schestowitz for paying rappler [20:41] schestowitz which attacked his political enemies [20:41] schestowitz I gave the example of Gates [20:41] schestowitz because he took that to the extreme [20:41] schestowitz bribed many over 1000 publishers [20:42] schestowitz even ones not in English [20:42] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/24/bill-gates-bribery-of-the-media/ [20:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A New Tim Schwab Investigative Report on Bill Gates Bribery of the Media and Beyond (for Hagiographies and Salesmanship) | Techrights [20:43] vZS1 So I did some digging about where these usb device data comes from in the Linux source [20:43] jaggz (another popup I just got.. it is actually text, with an overlay so it's not selectable) [20:43] jaggz handy "inspect element" [20:44] vZS1 include/linux/input.h [20:44] *search_social (~search_so@99-112-18-250.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [20:45] vZS1 grep for "struct input_dev - represents" [20:45] vZS1 That's the breakdown [20:45] vZS1 Of the data structure [20:46] vZS1 Then in "drivers/input/input.c" [20:46] vZS1 grep for "Bus=" [20:47] vZS1 And compare that to `$ less /proc/bus/input/devices` [20:49] vZS1 Those three piece together the whole picture of where the stuff like lsusb(8) get their output from [20:53] vZS1 This isn't in the documentation, at all. I had to sniff out from the source. [20:55] *search_social has quit (Quit: leaving) [20:56] vZS1 I swear, it feels like they're just leaving procfs undocumented to make it harder for people to figure out what's going on. The BSDs at least document most of what they're doing. [20:56] *search_social (~search_so@99-112-18-250.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [20:58] schestowitz who wrote this code? [20:58] schestowitz which firm? [20:58] vZS1 Hundreds of lines of comments in C header files isn't documentation [20:58] vZS1 Idk, I didn't check [20:58] schestowitz Linux has many hands on it [20:58] schestowitz including NSA boosters' [20:59] schestowitz including the NSA itself [20:59] schestowitz I was told by someone in Red Hat [20:59] schestowitz NSA literally puts lines of code inside Linux [20:59] schestowitz But don't worry, the S in NSA stands for Security, not Shite ● Dec 08 [21:00] schestowitz Torvalds just signs it all off based on names and affinity, he doesn't know what's going on, it's impossible to keep abreast of it all [21:00] schestowitz all bugs are shallow when you only deal with 50 million lines of code and have 50 hours a week [21:01] vZS1 This is really old [21:01] vZS1 2007 [21:01] vZS1 Dimitry Torokhov [21:01] schestowitz BTW, the "shallow" line is an Open Source motto line [21:01] schestowitz not Free software [21:01] schestowitz they sell technical merit, even if just perceived [21:02] schestowitz if you accept a 500,000 LOC graphics driver every 3 months and nobody outside the vendors checked even in a hurry, what sort of audit is that? [21:02] vZS1 So since 2007, no official entry in documentation directory of the source about how input device information can be gathered [21:03] schestowitz it's in the code, man... [21:03] schestowitz go figure [21:03] schestowitz maybe make a report about it... ON A MAC! ;-) [21:04] vZS1 The comments are very good though. But a non-C-programmer user wouldn't find them. [21:04] schestowitz https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Kernel-Hugs [21:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dropping Profanity In Kernel Code Comments: Linux Gets "Hugs" - Phoronix [21:05] vZS1 Oh yeah [21:05] schestowitz https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2018-November/198581.html http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1811.3/07110.html [21:05] vZS1 I've seen profanity everywhere [21:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [PATCH RFC 00/15] Zero ****s, hugload of hugs <3 [21:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: [PATCH RFC 01/15] MIPS: replace **** with a hug [21:05] vZS1 And snide remarks [21:05] schestowitz vZS1: we'll worry about therapy later [21:05] schestowitz have you seen any "masters" yet? [21:05] schestowitz Like drive "master" and "slave"? [21:06] vZS1 Tbh, they're pretty shitty names to begin with [21:07] vZS1 I prefer stuff like "production" etc [21:07] vZS1 "test" [21:07] schestowitz staging [21:07] vZS1 Yeah [21:07] vZS1 The default names are trash [21:07] schestowitz but you think of git [21:07] schestowitz and similar [21:07] schestowitz not drives [21:08] schestowitz in drives you'd have a main copy of something and a backup or nonmain [21:08] vZS1 Primary [21:08] schestowitz like replication [21:08] vZS1 Replica [21:08] vZS1 So many better names [21:09] vZS1 From a technical standpoint [21:09] vZS1 Forget about the PC brigade [21:09] vZS1 This is just better naming conventions [21:09] MinceR i don't see why "master"/"slave" would be trash [21:09] MinceR and now it has the added benefit of triggering crybullies [21:10] vZS1 I use the word canonical a lot [21:11] vZS1 For drives [21:11] vZS1 I hope I don't get sued [21:11] schestowitz Google uses the term a lot [21:11] schestowitz e.g. "www" [21:11] schestowitz it's also used in my discipline [21:12] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:12] schestowitz like similar forms in the geometric sense [21:12] vZS1 Yeah [21:12] schestowitz the words are a distraction anyway [21:12] schestowitz too much debate about this BS [21:12] schestowitz and "HEY AYE" [21:12] schestowitz and "clown security" [21:12] schestowitz when the clown itself is the security breach [21:12] vZS1 It's their PC bullshittery with the names [21:12] schestowitz you literally leak your own data and customers' too... to the US army [21:13] vZS1 You can quietly change the names [21:13] schestowitz and they then flatted your CTO/CIO [21:13] vZS1 For several good reasons [21:13] schestowitz "modernisation" [21:13] vZS1 But no [21:13] schestowitz "moving forward" [21:13] schestowitz "agile" [21:13] schestowitz all that jazz [21:13] vZS1 Put a big banner everywhere [21:13] vZS1 Real genuine concern [21:13] schestowitz *flatter [21:13] schestowitz not flatten [21:14] vZS1 Especially from companies that discriminate so much [21:14] schestowitz "we are moving to the clown" [21:14] vZS1 But people but into the BS [21:14] schestowitz because some "analyst"-sponsored magazine with gloss said it's the "thing" now [21:14] vZS1 s/but/buy [21:14] schestowitz the HEY HI on the clown will detect who discriminates [21:14] schestowitz and then dispatch a warning [21:15] vZS1 And they pick BLM as the time to do it as well [21:16] vZS1 How much more crass can they get [21:24] vZS1 It looks like Linux is just aggressively expanding procfs with more stuff and is hoping systemd will handle everything. And creating more of a mess. [21:25] vZS1 I had a look at some of the recent documentation committs. I saw loads dedicated to some TV drivers [21:27] vZS1 "vidtv" [21:27] vZS1 Priorities! [21:27] schestowitz in the KERNEL? [21:27] schestowitz why? [21:27] vZS1 Yes [21:27] schestowitz DRM? [21:27] vZS1 Don't ask me [21:27] schestowitz kernel-level lock-down? [21:28] vZS1 No. It's drivers [21:28] vZS1 Not DRM [21:28] vZS1 But I brought this up earlier [21:28] schestowitz some TVs run Linux [21:28] schestowitz Tizen OS [21:28] schestowitz They claim to run the most TVs [21:28] schestowitz not most overall [21:28] vZS1 A lot of device driver code [21:28] vZS1 Actually [21:28] schestowitz but most among the shares of different 'distros; [21:28] vZS1 Too much device driver code [21:29] schestowitz they can share code [21:29] schestowitz some do [21:29] schestowitz commonalities [21:29] schestowitz greg k-h might be able to explain [21:29] schestowitz I know about webcams [21:29] schestowitz some people write a driver for one [21:29] schestowitz and it then enables hundreds more to work [21:29] schestowitz but I don't know the low-level details [21:29] schestowitz I suppose they use similar APIs [21:30] vZS1 My question is why bloat the kernel repo with driver code [21:30] vZS1 That should be in their own repo [21:30] vZS1 They can pull it in with submodules [21:30] *Techrights-sec has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [21:31] vZS1 The interfaces are the important thing [21:31] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [21:31] vZS1 It's effort to swim through all this extra history and code to find the core functionality [21:32] vZS1 I don't want to know what TV driver is the hot thing with Linux rn. [21:33] mjg59 Because the kernel doesn't export any sort of stable internal ABI [21:33] mjg59 Any changes have to be made simultaneously across the entire tree [21:33] mjg59 Which you can't do if you're using submodules [21:34] schestowitz sounds like design problem [21:34] schestowitz can that be corrected? [21:34] schestowitz microkernels would have better modularity [21:35] mjg59 There's no technical reason for this [21:35] mjg59 It's a policy decision [21:35] schestowitz well, tbh, if it's all still in C, then that in itself is a design problem [21:35] vZS1 It's not that [21:35] vZS1 This is about keeping the repo tidy [21:36] vZS1 C is still a good programming language for systems [21:36] vZS1 But that's not the point here [21:37] schestowitz better than rust or some other microsoft-controlled thing [21:37] schestowitz with good namespace C can be OK [21:37] schestowitz and easier for a new adopter [21:37] schestowitz but I mean, look at the scale of it [21:38] schestowitz Torvalds just never really studied high-level programming [21:38] schestowitz so he rejects it on the basis of personal comfort zone/convenience [21:38] schestowitz https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-105a5 [21:38] schestowitz hmm... Android only [21:39] schestowitz sounds.... not so legit [21:39] vZS1 I see where you're coming from but C is fast. Faster than anything that isn't assembly [21:39] vZS1 That's important when you are writing a kernel or core utilities [21:40] vZS1 Try reimplementing GNU find in a high-level language and see how it compares with the C implementation [21:41] schestowitz depends on the compiler really [21:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | New Release: Tor Browser 10.5a5 (Android Only) | Tor Blog [21:42] vZS1 With the right algorithms and GCC, C is probably not going anywhere any time soon. [21:43] vZS1 But it'd be great to see a more abstract language with similar performance. [21:43] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:43] vZS1 There are ones out there. They just need time to catch up. [21:44] schestowitz compiler has other aspects to it [21:44] schestowitz another language might be fine [21:44] *inky (~inky@141.136.79.29) has joined #techrights [21:44] schestowitz but how it compiles for different arch may vary [21:44] schestowitz so you can end up with fine code that becomes crap on arm or power [21:44] vZS1 That just comes with being new [21:44] schestowitz i doubt linux cares much about performance anyway [21:44] vZS1 I just hope it isn't Rust [21:45] schestowitz it's bloated and it also works closely with systemd and kdbus etc. [21:45] vZS1 Because screw working with a language that doesn't even have a specification [21:45] schestowitz those are added complexity and bloat [21:45] schestowitz for things that could otherwise be very simple [21:45] schestowitz rust is Microsoft [21:45] schestowitz ShitHub [21:45] schestowitz and they censor Microsoft critics [21:46] schestowitz they're overzealous about social control and speech policing [21:46] schestowitz Microsoft might even hire the team [21:46] schestowitz maybe they first wait for many projects to become rust-dependent [21:46] schestowitz the submarine/ambush strategy, like buying GitHub [21:46] schestowitz GNOME has some people dabbling in rust [21:46] schestowitz and some want rust to be inside Linux [21:47] vZS1 Rust forces people to use cargo [21:47] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [21:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [21:49] vZS1 These new languages all try to draw in unsuspecting beginners to become wholly dependent on their packaging/build systems. [21:50] vZS1 Then they struggle moving somewhere else. [21:50] vZS1 It's pretty evil [21:50] schestowitz same for is [21:50] schestowitz os [21:50] schestowitz snaps, rpm... [21:51] vZS1 Yeah [21:51] schestowitz I stopped writing GUIs [21:51] schestowitz used to make lots of them [21:51] schestowitz then realised I was making s chain of redundant dependencies [21:51] schestowitz cogl (opengl) [21:51] schestowitz gtk [21:51] schestowitz octave [21:52] schestowitz gnu utilities and their unix equivalents barely change for half a century [21:52] schestowitz not they try to kill off xorg as well [21:52] vZS1 I only use graphics for data visualization [21:52] schestowitz I used many x interfaces [21:52] schestowitz so wayland if OUT of the question [21:52] vZS1 And media [21:52] schestowitz gplot can abstract away some of it [21:53] schestowitz gnuplot [21:53] vZS1 Yeah. Python has good plotting libraries too [21:53] schestowitz python kills off old code [21:53] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [21:53] schestowitz like some python2 functions [21:53] schestowitz same issue in php [21:53] schestowitz there's the term "technical debt" [21:54] schestowitz in here it's something like "wasted investment" [21:54] schestowitz you put in lots of time to make something [21:54] vZS1 If they kill off my old code I'll just run it sandboxed [21:54] schestowitz and then against your will you code gets obsolete [21:54] schestowitz because of someone else's decision [21:54] schestowitz imagemagick still works mostly OK [21:55] schestowitz gimp keeps changing [21:55] schestowitz far too much [21:55] schestowitz their GUI is a circus, keeps changing too much across major releases [21:55] vZS1 Why don't you just stick to a version that works for you [21:55] schestowitz GIMP 3.x took me a while to get used to, and only barely manageable after I added many add-ons to it [21:55] schestowitz they go for the "UX" BS [21:55] schestowitz removing options [21:55] schestowitz making one big windows [21:56] schestowitz ruining fine workflow [21:56] schestowitz and compelling you to hunt for libraries that used to be in the core package [21:56] vZS1 Moving target syndrome [21:56] schestowitz [21:55] Why don't you just stick to a version that works for you [21:56] schestowitz you think low-level stuff [21:56] schestowitz with gimp they don't package old ones [21:56] schestowitz unless you run an old distro in a VM [21:57] schestowitz they don't have a gimp-1-3 and gimp2 package [21:57] schestowitz it's use the latest of "f off" [21:57] schestowitz *or [21:57] schestowitz xchat became .xchat2 [21:57] vZS1 You might want to just take the trouble to figure out a source build [21:57] schestowitz gimp became .gimp2 [21:57] schestowitz now higher [21:57] schestowitz because they're revamping the whole thing [21:58] vZS1 Packages will always be out of your control [21:58] schestowitz That's what she said [21:58] vZS1 Anyway. I'm off to bed now. Gn [21:58] schestowitz gn ● Dec 08 [22:00] DaemonFC[m] Internet Explorer is a good example of technical debt. [22:00] DaemonFC[m] Maybe the best one. [22:01] DaemonFC[m] They have to keep it or applications break. More specifically, they even have to keep a rendering personality from the version they released 19 years ago, or applications break. [22:01] schestowitz activex also [22:01] schestowitz they added things just to sabotage rivals [22:01] DaemonFC[m] Since it's there, it's a constant source of security problems. They have to keep patching and patching it. [22:01] schestowitz and then they're expected to carry them along [22:01] schestowitz with all the security issues those entail [22:01] schestowitz like access to disk by a remote site [22:01] schestowitz "feature" [22:01] schestowitz to make Netscape not work [22:02] schestowitz yeah, I see you beat me to it [22:02] schestowitz re security [22:02] DaemonFC[m] Oh, they shove plug-ins you don't want into other people's browsers too. [22:02] DaemonFC[m] I can't imagine that Firefox didn't have Microsoft in mind along with malware droppers when they started doing extension signing enforcement. [22:03] schestowitz those are opposed to software freedom [22:03] schestowitz there are other means [22:03] schestowitz for establishing trust [22:04] schestowitz to engineer control over the user you exaggerate a crisis [22:04] DaemonFC[m] Mozilla still signs Bypass Paywalls. [22:04] schestowitz and offer solutions that resruct users [22:04] schestowitz placing more control in the hands of vendors [22:04] DaemonFC[m] But they threw it out of their add-ons store because of what it can do [22:04] schestowitz there are police dept. equivalents [22:04] schestowitz (in the "real world") IRL [22:04] schestowitz Mozilla is a mess now [22:04] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/2020/12/08/ [22:05] schestowitz " #mozilla : we discourage or blocking you from accessing sites without certs, but our own browser #firefox spies on you so we're hypocrites wrt #privacy " [22:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [22:05] DaemonFC[m] At least there is an off setting for the telemetry. [22:05] DaemonFC[m] Unlike Windows, where you can only muzzle it a little, as much as they allow you to. [22:05] schestowitz vArmed Individuals Surround MI Sec of State's Home Demanding Overturn of #Election https://truthout.org/articles/armed-individuals-surround-mi-sec-of-states-home-demanding-overturn-of-election/ [22:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Armed Individuals Surround MI Sec of State's Home Demanding Overturn of Election [22:05] schestowitz oh wow [22:08] *gry has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:08] *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_20201208-160644_Gmail.jpg (162KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/VKZmhrWvIGifNNuZxbHLCsZw/Screenshot_20201208-160644_Gmail.jpg > [22:09] *gry (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #techrights [22:09] DaemonFC[m] Lemonade, my renter's insurance company, suspended the ability to change your policy due to "ongoing events in your area". [22:10] DaemonFC[m] Sounds to me like they probably had an uptick in break-ins and they want to just sit there and stop people from upping their policy limits to cut their losses. [22:11] schestowitz hmmm.. [22:12] schestowitz insurers would have many issues now [22:12] schestowitz more claims [22:12] schestowitz and some who cannot pay for their policies anymore [22:12] schestowitz we need to renew our home insurance this month [22:12] schestowitz at least we both still work [22:14] schestowitz worse off are the estate companies [22:14] schestowitz esp. commercial estates [22:14] DaemonFC[m] Supreme Court issues death blow to outgoing one term failed president Trump's fraud against the voters. [22:14] schestowitz malls, office space... [22:14] schestowitz the mortgage takers [22:14] DaemonFC[m] That's what I said to dad to go along with this.... [22:14] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/08/politics/supreme-court-pennsylvania-trump-biden/index.html [22:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Supreme Court rejects Pennsylvania Republicans' attempt to block Biden victory - CNNPolitics [22:14] schestowitz or people who took a mortgage based on some rental payments they collect (but no longer do) [22:14] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: The Supreme Court handed down a ruling refusing to block the certification in Pennsylvania. [22:15] DaemonFC[m] CNN reports that there were no dissenters in the court's decision. [22:15] DaemonFC[m] That's hilarious. [22:15] schestowitz so even Trump's two testicles 'betrayed' him [22:15] DaemonFC[m] Three of Trump's judges wouldn't play along, including Amy Coney Barrett, who he said he was appointing because he expected her to rig the election for him. [22:16] schestowitz and the women he put there to replace RBG [22:16] schestowitz *woman [22:16] DaemonFC[m] She's on the court for life. She doesn't have to do anything for him. [22:16] schestowitz yeah, you beat me to it [22:16] schestowitz she is young [22:16] DaemonFC[m] You can't fire a supreme court judge. They'd have to be impeached. [22:16] schestowitz so can be there to cause damage for as long as 50 yars [22:17] schestowitz if the US and SCOTUS last that long [22:17] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, but several of the Republican judges aren't going to last that long. [22:17] search_social cheating in elections is a good way to make sure us doesn't last long [22:17] DaemonFC[m] Clarence Thomas is likely the next one to die. He's an old black man. [22:17] DaemonFC[m] Even with a Supreme Court judge's government health insurance, you're not going to live forever. [22:18] schestowitz Scalia died in his 'ranch' [22:18] schestowitz afaik, he wasn't living healthy [22:18] DaemonFC[m] What Barrett is to RBG, Thomas was to Thurgood Marshall. [22:19] DaemonFC[m] The Republicans knew there'd be hell to pay in the election if they didn't appoint some black guy. [22:19] schestowitz looked like some chops eater or some pseudo-rugged type [22:19] DaemonFC[m] So here's some right-wing token n****r that'll play ball why not. [22:19] DaemonFC[m] That's all that went on there, as far as they were concerned. [22:19] schestowitz there was a sex scnadal too [22:19] schestowitz Thomas [22:20] schestowitz way to have leverage [22:20] DaemonFC[m] Just a few decades removed from black people being pulled off the bus and beaten within an inch of their life if they sat in front of a white person. By the police. [22:20] DaemonFC[m] And here they find a right-wing black guy to be on the court. [22:20] search_social that's cuz he knows what white libs like you do to black people [22:21] schestowitz "libs"? [22:21] schestowitz "lib not found" [22:21] schestowitz the police who aggress and abuse blacks are typically voting right-wing [22:21] schestowitz not "libs" [22:22] schestowitz to claim that republicans are more compassionate towards blacks than "libs" is laughable and outlandish [22:22] DaemonFC[m] Did you mean /usr/lib? [22:22] search_social well if you don't believe me you can ask black people yourself [22:22] DaemonFC[m] Let me correct that for you with a symlink. [22:22] DaemonFC[m] -Fedora [22:23] search_social there's a reason blacks are voting for Trump in droves [22:23] schestowitz in Florida about 90% of black people voter NOT for Trump [22:23] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, all 8% of them who responded positively to Trump's toxicity. [22:23] search_social and it's cuz they are tired of dem lies [22:23] schestowitz because they know who called countries like Nigeria "shithole" [22:23] search_social of course dems are very angry that blacks are leaving the dem planation [22:23] search_social and so constantly slur every black that isn't a dem slave [22:23] DaemonFC[m] Trump went off the rails at the debate and into needlessly pissing off voters, some of which would have supported him until he said their home countries were filthy and backwards. [22:24] DaemonFC[m] Or the country that their parents were from, you know. [22:24] search_social they are [22:24] search_social blacks realize that dems are all talk and no action and they are tired of it [22:24] DaemonFC[m] Well, and he won't be the president anymore next month because he needlessly went out of his way to call them shithole countries again. [22:24] search_social cuz they are [22:24] DaemonFC[m] That's probably all it took in at least a couple states. [22:25] DaemonFC[m] No, America has rapidly turned into a shithole country because of Trump. [22:25] search_social cuz of dems [22:25] DaemonFC[m] It's a plague colony with passports that have been voided out because he went golfing and then told Pfizer he didn't want enough vaccine doses. [22:25] search_social i like how yesterday you were smart enough to realize pfizer is corrupt [22:25] DaemonFC[m] You can't use your passport as an American anymore because we're seen as diseased. [22:25] search_social but today it's back to trusting pfizer blindly [22:26] DaemonFC[m] I think, like it or not, we're going to need as many doses of that vaccine as we can get. [22:26] search_social yesterday [22:26] search_social you were literally [22:26] search_social smart enough [22:26] search_social to point how taking an untested vac ine from big pharma is a bad idea [22:26] search_social but today [22:26] DaemonFC[m] Because even if we had to stop it because there's something wrong, it's a small risk to come up with the money to have them. [22:26] search_social it's back to insanity [22:27] DaemonFC[m] It's definitely going to cost our economy more to not have a vaccine than it will to risk a relatively small amount of money on stockpiling a vaccine that might not be usable. [22:28] DaemonFC[m] It's like an insurance policy, we buy them, it's not an investment. It's risk management. [22:28] DaemonFC[m] People who don't understand that end up insuring things that they could afford to replace at a cost that's not worth it, and not insuring things that they can't afford to lose. [22:29] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: [22:29] *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EzsAgttfcIawDxFxYFUaRWSQ/message.txt > [22:29] *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/RSfZeFNFsDCzVDUvUueHBkOt/message.txt > [22:30] DaemonFC[m] Trolling Felta. [22:31] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/08/tech/fireeye-cyberattack/index.html [22:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A firm that helps protect businesses and cities from cyberattacks just got hit by one - CNN [22:32] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/08/business/goya-aoc-employee-of-the-month/index.html [22:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Goya CEO names Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 'employee of the month,' claiming her tweets boosted sales - CNN [22:33] DaemonFC[m] Trump grinning like an idiot with a pile of Goya products is the reason I will never buy one again. [22:34] schestowitz [22:31] schestowitz: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/08/tech/fireeye-cyberattack/index.html << Ariadne knows them [22:34] schestowitz the irony [22:34] DaemonFC[m] So let me get this straight.....a boycott is suppression of speech and you're furious and going crazy on Twitter, while at the same time insisting sales have never been better. [22:35] schestowitz this is not news [22:35] schestowitz it's "tweets" packaged as "news" [22:35] schestowitz typical CNN [22:35] DaemonFC[m] Of course, Goya is a private company and so does not have to publish their sales to the public, but I doubt very much that the family that owns the company would be as angry at their CEO as they are had he not done net damage to the brand. [22:36] schestowitz there's more important type of stories to cover [22:36] schestowitz than some 'tweet wars' [22:36] DaemonFC[m] They don't even have to cook the books for the SEC reports like Microsoft does. [22:36] DaemonFC[m] To bandage over Windows, which is bleeding, and being propped up by mass firing, untested updates, and subsidies flowing in from subscriptions, XBOX, and Azure. [22:37] schestowitz everything is clown now [22:37] Ariadne lol fire eye [22:37] schestowitz reclassify as clown [22:37] schestowitz clown is the future [22:37] schestowitz ignore azure layoffs [22:37] Ariadne some malware was built as an alpine docker container [22:37] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Bill Gates touted, in 2003, that Windows Server 2003 was the "most tested" version of Windows ever released, with a team of well over 3,500 full time product testers. [22:38] Ariadne so fireeye said [22:38] schestowitz things are thus great, buy more MSFT shares!! Help the ponzi scheme. [22:38] Ariadne the packages that malware downloaded [22:38] DaemonFC[m] Guess what. There are 0 product testers. It's all telemetry and using a certain percentage of customers as guinea pigs for broken updates now. [22:38] Ariadne were malware [22:38] schestowitz typical [22:38] Ariadne we had to threaten to sue them to get them to fuck off [22:38] schestowitz so you can install malware [22:38] schestowitz on apline [22:38] schestowitz as alpine as malware [22:38] DaemonFC[m] If you do have to use Windows 10, you should set it to delay updates. [22:38] schestowitz so alpine lets you shoot yourself [22:39] DaemonFC[m] I think it lets you delay them by like 2 weeks or so after they become available. [22:39] Ariadne well somebody built a malware [22:39] Ariadne which used alpine docker container [22:39] DaemonFC[m] That gives someone else time to step in it and for a broken update to be retracted before your computer pulls it in. [22:39] schestowitz Ariadne: same as some android and linux stuff... [22:39] Ariadne so the stuff the docker container downloaded fireeye concluded was malware itself [22:39] schestowitz you can't stop people doing that, but you can prevent them putting that on your system [22:40] schestowitz wget is malware [22:40] Ariadne right precisely [22:40] schestowitz because you can run wget