●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, January 09, 2021 ●● ● Jan 09 [00:00] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:17] Ariadne twitter finally banned trump [00:22] DaemonFC[m] "Would you shut the hell up, man!?" -Twitter [00:22] DaemonFC[m] B-) [00:23] DaemonFC[m] Good. Less churnalism quoting Trump's tweets. [00:49] DaemonFC[m] Google removed the Parler app from the Play STore. ● Jan 09 [01:01] DaemonFC[m] If there's no Parler on iPhone, it means Trump can't install it. [01:01] DaemonFC[m] He uses an iPhone. [01:01] DaemonFC[m] Apple says Parler will be banned in 24 hours. [01:01] DaemonFC[m] Unless it "cleans up the platform" by then, somehow. [01:02] DaemonFC[m] Which means that Apple has done to Parler what it did to porn on Tumblr, which caused everyone to pile out of Tumblr and go to Reddit looking for porn. [01:21] Ariadne good [01:32] schestowitz [00:17] twitter finally banned trump [01:32] schestowitz url? [01:32] schestowitz too late? [01:32] schestowitz after 5 years of race-baiting [01:32] schestowitz and threatening violence against whole countries [01:33] schestowitz they just try to rewrite their record [01:33] schestowitz when there's nothing left for them to lose [01:33] schestowitz as he's one foot out already [01:33] schestowitz [23:01] And I hear that people tend to get sicker after the second dose than they did from the first. [01:34] schestowitz I heard similar... [01:34] schestowitz from a nurse [01:38] schestowitz [21:57] The fact that almost 100 people were infected in the White House Coronavirus outbreak and Pence wasn't one of them shows us how out of the loop he is. [01:38] schestowitz maybe he lied [01:41] schestowitz maybe at one point he did in fact test positive [01:45] DaemonFC[m] https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/8/22221579/discord-bans-the-donald-server-reddit-subreddit [01:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Discord bans pro-Trump server The Donald - The Verge [01:46] schestowitz too late [01:46] schestowitz pathetic [01:46] schestowitz way too late [01:48] DaemonFC[m] https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/8/22220834/reddit-trump-subreddit-ban-violence-us-capitol-mob [01:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Reddit bans r/donaldtrump forum for inciting violence - The Verge [01:49] schestowitz Way, way, way too late. Symbolic at best. [01:50] schestowitz they wash their hands off it ● Jan 09 [02:08] schestowitz Audio playback quality is very good, and better than in Windows. Not sure why, but Im not complaining. Usually, its the other way around, so Im quite pleased. https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/lenovo-ideapad-3-review.html [02:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | Lenovo IdeaPad 3 - New test laptop, very decent value [02:08] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: there's a saying [02:08] schestowitz which I cannot quite lucidly recall [02:08] schestowitz something about judging people based on difficult actions/decisions [02:08] schestowitz what conde nast (reddit), discord, twitter, fb do it no heroism [02:08] schestowitz it's distorting their record [02:09] schestowitz after facilitating visceral hatred for half a decade [02:09] schestowitz so I would not judge them based on the late actions [02:09] schestowitz it's almost a reminder of how lousy they were [02:09] schestowitz to keep regulators away [02:09] schestowitz now it's just convenient for them to 'take a stand/stance' [02:24] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [02:32] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [02:35] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [02:35] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19830349 [02:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #mozilla CEO: we need more and MOAR #internet #censorship https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ I'd move away from #firefox given their general stance on these things... [02:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.mozilla.org | We need more than deplatforming - The Mozilla Blog [02:35] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19830353 [02:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #mozilla is not a technical company anymore. #firefox is a technical program, but its managed by someone who hoards millions per year while pretending to be some non-profit NGO (Foundation, not Corporation). [02:36] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19830359 [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It is NOT the job of a Web browser to do #censorship or advocate for it; it's supposed to just render pages. That's what it's supposed to do. #mozilla #firefox and their slippery slope... [02:40] vZS1 As if getting rid of a few accounts and groups has any effect. At best it just lets them play the victim. [02:43] schestowitz This is what usually happens [02:43] vZS1 It's just posturing for the new administration [02:43] schestowitz they carry on speaking, just elsewhere [02:43] schestowitz vZS1: yes, obviously [02:43] schestowitz notice the timing [02:43] vZS1 If you don't see that you're blind to politics [02:43] schestowitz Friday the week (and a half) before the fake 'left' steps in [02:44] schestowitz http://devclass.com/2020/12/22/go-lang-1_16-beta/ [02:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two more months until Go: 1.16 beta offers improved tooling up for a test-drive DEVCLASS [02:45] schestowitz I thin these won't be very visible anymore [02:45] schestowitz just "malware" talk [02:45] schestowitz because go is... well, a programming thing [02:45] DaemonFC[m] https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/8/22221683/trump-tried-to-evade-his-ban-with-potus-but-those-tweets-were-instantly-deleted [02:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Trump tried to evade his ban with @POTUS, but those tweets were instantly deleted - The Verge [02:47] vZS1 Go pisses me off because it tries to tell me how to link my code together [02:47] vZS1 I hate everything that tries to go beyond file handling [02:48] vZS1 All this module crap is forcing architecture I never asked for [02:48] vZS1 Notice the oppressive module system in the new languages. [02:49] vZS1 C doesn't do all this. You always deal with just plain files. Simple, universal abstraction [02:49] vZS1 include or do not include [02:50] vZS1 I have Git for structuring and automating my repositories [02:51] DaemonFC[m] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/squad-bowman-trump-saddam-hussein [02:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxnews.com | Squad member compares Trump Twitter ban to capture of Saddam Hussein | Fox News [02:51] DaemonFC[m] Trump was his own Baghdad Bob. [02:54] schestowitz wait [02:54] schestowitz let me find link from yesterday's Daily Links [02:54] schestowitz https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/01/07/carrying-death-sentence-if-convicted-iraq-issues-arrest-warrant-trump-murder-charges [02:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Carrying Death Sentence If Convicted, Iraq Issues Arrest Warrant for Trump on Murder Charges | Common Dreams News [02:54] schestowitz But I liked this one even more: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/01/06/after-right-wing-coup-effort-dc-venezuela-offers-sympathy-us-suffering-what-it-has [02:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | After Right-Wing Coup Effort in DC, Venezuela Offers Sympathy for US Suffering What 'It Has Generated' Elsewhere | Common Dreams News [02:54] schestowitz classy [02:57] *abarr (~aplsm@KD113148020047.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) has joined #techrights [02:59] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) ● Jan 09 [03:04] cybrNaut no politician should be using Twitter in the 1st place. It's not right for /public/ officials to use exclusive private walled-gardens to interact with the /public/. [03:04] schestowitz true [03:04] schestowitz we've said that for ages [03:04] schestowitz They outsource communication to a third party [03:04] schestowitz a private company with foreign shareholders [03:04] schestowitz and quarterly targets [03:04] schestowitz Also, it discriminates in access [03:05] schestowitz there were lawsuits over this [03:05] schestowitz Trump blocked me in Twitter in 2017 [03:05] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [03:05] cybrNaut If I want to tweet to my representative, I have to give twitter a phone number, and twitter can refuse service for any reason. Fuck that. The whitehouse should run its own Mastodon node [03:06] schestowitz mastodon is frustrating also [03:06] schestowitz social control media is a regression [03:06] cybrNaut indeed some ppl got blocked by trump, and they sued, and iirc trump was forced to unban them [03:06] schestowitz I already lost two mastodon/fediverse account [03:06] schestowitz the last two due to site shutdowns [03:07] cybrNaut well you always have the option of running your own instance [03:10] cybrNaut i lost a few gnu social accts due to spontaneous shutdowns without notice.. that shit is quite annoying [03:10] schestowitz so the whole concept is shite [03:11] cybrNaut they need to build in redundancy [03:11] schestowitz how many times before you sto bothering? [03:11] schestowitz when I joined pleroma.site I was reassured it would be online for at least 5 years [03:11] schestowitz it lasted only 2 [03:11] schestowitz and again I lost all so-called 'followers' [03:11] schestowitz I'm not planning to start again [03:11] schestowitz a fourth time [03:12] schestowitz I created my own 'instance' [03:12] cybrNaut followers should be portable for sure, b/c you get trapped by them [03:12] schestowitz it does nor federate [03:12] schestowitz but it won't go down as long as I am alive [03:12] schestowitz cybrNaut: they're not [03:12] schestowitz and there's no solution or plan for one [03:12] schestowitz and sometimes you don't even know when a site will shut down [03:12] schestowitz so no time to expore [03:13] schestowitz export [03:13] schestowitz pleroma.site died due to hardware issues [03:13] schestowitz and poorly done backups it seems [03:13] schestowitz 3 times in a row not its admin is not even responding to my question [03:13] schestowitz prior to that more than thrice in a row he enthusiastically said it was coming back [03:13] schestowitz So I assume he gave uo [03:14] schestowitz *up [03:14] schestowitz I asked him if he can pass on the site to someone else [03:14] schestowitz no reply, 2 days [03:14] cybrNaut backups could be solved on the client side, but then they'd have to be reposted elsewhere all on the same date, and linkage would probably break. Indeed it needs to evolve more [03:15] schestowitz I thought about it a lot [03:16] schestowitz also in relation to identi.ca a decade back [03:16] schestowitz if you care about publication and preservation [03:16] schestowitz then focus on your own blog and site [03:16] schestowitz use RSS [03:16] schestowitz and build a network of sites connected to each other [03:16] schestowitz not all this "friend" thing [03:16] schestowitz RSS readers, instead [03:20] cybrNaut we also need a parody venue, so I can write a msg to a walled-off politician without setting foot in the walled-garden. They wouldn't necessarily see the msg unless they know to look, but i'd accept that as an incremental evolution [03:24] cybrNaut sometimes I want to talk to a politician and they're just the prop, with the public being the actual target audience [03:25] schestowitz Ariadne: can you talk href into passing on the domain pleroma.site if he's no longer intending to fix it? [03:26] schestowitz he stopped replying to me [03:26] schestowitz so I assume he gave up on the restore process a week or so ago [03:34] cybrNaut itnewsbot> [18:36:00] [12] Michael Flynn and Sidney Powell banned from Twitter in QAnon purge - Enlarge [03:35] schestowitz yikes [03:35] schestowitz US of Anarchy [03:36] schestowitz and idiots in large numbers [03:40] DaemonFC[m] GNU Social was one. [03:40] DaemonFC[m] Did they get to Giuliani? Or was he too busy grinding on 15 year olds as he leaked hair dye to post anything outrageous lately? [03:40] DaemonFC[m] (Borat 2) [03:41] schestowitz ? [03:41] schestowitz what's the connection? [03:42] schestowitz I was alluding to the fact that over the years many sites where I posted and received content vanished [03:42] schestowitz the first, I believe, was digg.com [03:42] cybrNaut if Twitter bans me as an activist that gives civil warnings to people about CloudFlare (and they did), then I'm happy to see mass Twitter bannings because it helps expose to others that they don't respect civil speech. Although nothing q-anon says would be civil so i guess those blocks won't drive too many ppl off [03:42] schestowitz where I had posted and received a lot of comments [03:42] schestowitz USENET is NOT like that [03:42] schestowitz my USENET posts and replies are still online [03:42] schestowitz their model and topology was robust by design [03:43] *cybrNaut used usenet up until mixmaster broke on debian [03:43] schestowitz [03:40] Back on topic, the current US politics are being used as a vehicle [03:43] schestowitz [03:40] to gain acceptance for mass censorship. [03:43] schestowitz [03:40] Everyone is cheering the bans so enthusiastically that almost no one [03:43] schestowitz [03:40] is actually checking to ensure that it is in line with the constitution. [03:43] schestowitz [03:40] It is more than what Bush II called it, a "goddamned piece of paper" [03:43] DaemonFC[m] Twitter is self-destructing and it shut Donald Trump up. [03:43] DaemonFC[m] Where's the downside? [03:43] cybrNaut indeed [03:45] Techrights-sec https://www.counterpunch.org/2005/12/14/quot-just-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper-quot/ [03:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"Just a Goddamned Piece of Paper" - CounterPunch.org [03:46] cybrNaut by driving high-profile ppl off Twitter, it potentially gives exposure to Twitter's superior competition if they move to it, and that's a good thing [03:46] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: you miss the point [03:46] schestowitz they also delete POTUS tweets [03:47] schestowitz it's perhaps useful for shareholders [03:47] schestowitz but... [03:47] schestowitz it'll raise many questions for years to come [03:47] schestowitz including: [03:47] schestowitz why now? [03:47] schestowitz why not ages ago? [03:47] schestowitz he violated policies ages ago [03:47] schestowitz but he was still useful to their business model [03:50] cybrNaut i could create a new twitter acct and use it, but that would make me an enabler for a control freakish centralized service. So I stay away from twtr now. [03:56] schestowitz my twitter story in a nutshell [03:56] schestowitz tmanco (tony) asked me to join identi.ca [03:56] schestowitz here in IRC [03:57] schestowitz reluctantly I eventually did [03:57] schestowitz it slowed down my posting flow in techrights [03:57] schestowitz later I realised that with ping.fm (IIRC) I could cross-post to Twitter [03:57] schestowitz so a Twitter account was made too [03:57] schestowitz also very reluctantly [03:57] schestowitz later joindiaspora [03:57] schestowitz when twitter started shadowbanning me [03:58] schestowitz like 50 times [03:58] schestowitz I then protested by creating also a gab account, before it was a beehive of lunatics [03:58] schestowitz but twitter is just there getting copies of things [03:59] schestowitz it's no longer attracting traffic like it did half a decade ago, they're just ad-pushing and agenda-steering now, for profit [03:59] schestowitz it's their new business model [03:59] schestowitz a lot of people quit over it [03:59] schestowitz 25 days ago they also started blocking sites that don't do JS or that Twitter does not "like" [03:59] schestowitz that was a final nail on their coffin ● Jan 09 [04:00] schestowitz now, without trump, they have just pop stars and crap [04:00] schestowitz hopefully people will see all those sites for what they really are [04:00] schestowitz and... STOP PARTICIPATING [04:00] schestowitz If pleroma.site is not coming back, and it does not seem like it will anymore (he cannot recover it from backups), I won't bother with fediverse at all anymore [04:01] schestowitz and that's a shame as Ariadne crafted a very nice bot, viera, to syndicate from there in IRC [04:01] cybrNaut it's a bit of a shame the right-wing nut jobs are pushed onto Mastodon, and the pop stars who bring a huge audience of normies are still on Twitter [04:01] cybrNaut wish it were the other way around [04:02] schestowitz it just shows [04:02] schestowitz that this does not solve the issue [04:02] schestowitz go back to blogging [04:02] schestowitz the nuts will subscribe to nuts in nutty sites [04:02] schestowitz like "daily stormer" (if it's still online) [04:03] cybrNaut well, the #isolateGab movement seems to work well enough. 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[04:24] schestowitz Ariadne: I've just noticed that I cannot access the containers from HV using attach -n as per https://linux.die.net/man/1/lxc-attach [04:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.die.net | lxc-attach(1) - Linux man page [04:25] schestowitz I'm quite sure same syntax did work last week unless my notes aren't right anymore [04:28] schestowitz actually, seems as though I can access TR and mysql [04:28] schestowitz but not TM or viera, not from HV anyway [04:29] schestowitz I'm sure I could enter viera before (from HV) [04:30] schestowitz I just want to try to work around things to make it fetch input [04:59] Ariadne its because those containers need to be restarted after adding systemd cgroup [04:59] schestowitz systemd ;-) ● Jan 09 [05:01] schestowitz I was too afraid to tinker with things at this level in alpine [05:01] schestowitz after breaking sudoers before [05:12] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [05:12] -NickServ-schestowitz__!~schestowi@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [05:12] *schestowitz__ (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [05:28] DaemonFC[m] doesn't visudo still exist? [05:30] schestowitz__ it dos [05:30] schestowitz__ does [05:30] schestowitz__ but I did not use it [05:30] schestowitz__ crontab -e also validates the files [05:31] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: I want to revive IRC bots, one way or another [05:31] schestowitz__ we've had them here for over a decade [05:31] schestowitz__ href from pleroma.site kept reassuring me for week the site was coming back [05:31] schestowitz__ but he seems to have given up [05:31] schestowitz__ after some failed attempts at restoring [05:32] schestowitz__ maybe I can tweak Ariadne's bot, maybe i'll come up with something else [05:32] schestowitz__ but I am 99% sure pleroma.site won't be coming back online, which is a shame (3rd time I lose a fediverse account in less than 5 years) [05:33] schestowitz__ (which means starting again from 0 followers, 0 posts etc.) [05:33] schestowitz__ I won't be doing that anymor [05:33] schestowitz__ 3 strikes, you're out, fediverse [05:44] DaemonFC[m] What's wrong with mastodon.social [05:45] schestowitz__ ask me again what that TOO shuts down [05:46] schestowitz__ There's no business model to these things [05:46] schestowitz__ you rely on the mercy of people who don't give a damn about you [05:46] schestowitz__ in the past few months I saw quite a few mastodon instances shut down [05:46] schestowitz__ with short notice, not even a reason given [05:46] schestowitz__ maybe money and time (maintenance) ● Jan 09 [06:38] psydroid the only option is to host things yourself and then sync with other instances that may or may not stay up [06:47] *notanamber (~luca@2001:b07:a16:5bc0:bd01:a12:47e2:5907) has joined #techrights [06:53] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) ● Jan 09 [07:02] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [07:13] *mcole (~sdfsidjf@KD113148020047.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) has joined #techrights [07:34] schestowitz__ psydroid: yes, this is what I do now [07:35] schestowitz__ it used to also sync to IRC [07:35] schestowitz__ soon I will figure out how to restore viera or similar [07:35] schestowitz__ I think it uses ActivityPub [07:35] schestowitz__ I don't know those specs [07:36] schestowitz__ psydroid: going to record re Intel now [07:50] Ariadne schestowitz__: one option might be to operate you own fediverse node. [07:57] schestowitz__ many thoughts come to mind [07:57] schestowitz__ as I thought about this before [07:57] schestowitz__ there is no guarantee all other instances would connect [07:57] schestowitz__ it can become a lot of maintenance for just one account [07:58] schestowitz__ social control media is, in general, waning [07:58] schestowitz__ among other things [07:58] schestowitz__ for now I hope for a miracle from href [07:58] schestowitz__ he said he had recovered some working bankup [07:58] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [07:58] schestowitz__ then several times that he was working to restore it [07:58] schestowitz__ then radio silence for a week ● Jan 09 [08:03] Ariadne i honestly grew tired of the fediverse crowd [08:03] Ariadne so much drama [08:03] *notanamber has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [08:07] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [08:53] vZS1 All this federated nonsense will never last [08:53] vZS1 The answer is P2P, if you want persistence. [08:53] vZS1 And keeping things small [08:55] vZS1 P2P means people who care will help you share the burden of keeping things online. [08:55] vZS1 And it's built to work with arbitrary data [08:56] vZS1 Social media is optimised for advertising not sharing information [08:57] schestowitz__ Blogs are a lot simpler and mroe efficient [08:57] schestowitz__ person X registers domain Y [08:57] schestowitz__ Y is hosted by Z [08:57] schestowitz__ can change host to Z1, Z2.... [08:57] schestowitz__ People then join each other by RSS feeds [08:57] schestowitz__ so Z links to Y, which links to X [08:57] vZS1 Yep [08:58] schestowitz__ and XYZ can change [08:58] schestowitz__ but as long as your RSS lists are the same, you stay connected [08:58] schestowitz__ social control media puts HUGE burden on the edges [08:58] schestowitz__ if each person has his/her own instance [08:58] schestowitz__ it won't scale [08:58] schestowitz__ space, RAM, CPU [08:59] schestowitz__ as you need to syndicate so much, so it then becomes a bandwidth hog as well [08:59] schestowitz__ so let's go back to RSS [08:59] schestowitz__ I never wanted to leave RSS in the first place [08:59] vZS1 We never left RSS [08:59] schestowitz__ but a decade ago there was corporate media hype pushing us awasy from it [08:59] schestowitz__ with help from Google, then Mozilla [08:59] schestowitz__ which decided that RSS is somehow a fad all of a suddent [08:59] vZS1 Don't forget Facebook and Twitter [08:59] schestowitz__ and it stopped promoting and teaching users about RSS ● Jan 09 [09:00] schestowitz__ then Mozilla hired many FB exectutives [09:00] schestowitz__ and asked us to use FB... with "containers" [09:00] schestowitz__ using FB...., "safely"... a paradox [09:02] vZS1 They're bleeding users. It's the third world, bots, and Ad revenue keeping them alive. [09:03] schestowitz__ Yes, same for shithub [09:03] schestowitz__ I've long argued that [09:03] schestowitz__ no incentive for them to cut off the fakes [09:03] schestowitz__ as it would scare shareholders [09:03] schestowitz__ people with multiple accounts help them game the "charts", too [09:03] schestowitz__ many joijn shithub for the fake idea that they have big share or scale [09:03] schestowitz__ much of that is faked [09:04] vZS1 Twitter is in the deepest shit because they didn't diversify [09:04] schestowitz__ Like Ashley Madison [09:04] schestowitz__ with its fake "women" [09:04] schestowitz__ and bots [09:04] vZS1 At least the other big ones invested in other businesses [09:05] vZS1 Twitter is a toxic share in the stock market rn [09:07] schestowitz__ most companies are [09:07] schestowitz__ some more than others [09:07] *mcole has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:07] schestowitz__ They should rename Wall "Madoff" [09:07] schestowitz__ because many companies boil down to a money-borrowing ploy [09:08] schestowitz__ propped up by taxpayers [09:08] schestowitz__ or growing national debt that feeds oligarchs and their losing companies [09:10] vZS1 The one that really concerns me is Cloudflare [09:10] vZS1 Because that's not the web but the internet [09:11] vZS1 Which is why I've been trying my best to work with alternatives to DNS [09:11] *xvx has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [09:12] vZS1 Cloudflare are nice to their customers now but once they get dominant enough they can abuse that position. [09:13] vZS1 They've not exactly had a spotless record so far [09:13] vZS1 Their stock is also attracting a hefty amount of investors [09:15] schestowitz__ they will get bought by something [09:15] schestowitz__ looking to leverage CF for something [09:16] vZS1 Netflix would gain a lot from acquiring CF. [09:16] vZS1 The CDN is what they're most concerned with anyway [09:18] vZS1 But don't know how sound that is for their balance sheets [09:18] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [09:19] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [09:52] schestowitz__ just spoke to BT again [09:53] schestowitz__ their manager, Jan, who was supposed to phone me yesterday, did not phone [09:53] schestowitz__ not surprising given her temperament [09:53] schestowitz__ and phone for an advisor to complain about the lack of phoneball means staying on line 20-30 minutes [09:54] schestowitz__ So I phoned this morning, redirected to Dublin (yes, Dublin) and after spending loads of time on the line it got disconnected or he accidentally hung up [09:54] schestowitz__ wait 5 minutes, he did not even call back [09:54] schestowitz__ So I call again, this get a different person (this time in Liverpool) [09:54] schestowitz__ and I managed to get him to tell a manager to phone me back [09:55] schestowitz__ Joys of BT... almost 4 hours on the phone all in all so far [09:56] *abarr has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [09:56] *abarr (~aplsm@KD113148020047.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) has joined #techrights ● Jan 09 [10:02] *viera (~viera@2602:fd37:1::84) has joined #techrights [10:03] *viera has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [10:03] *viera (~viera@2602:fd37:1::84) has joined #techrights [10:06] schestowitz__ me to viera: I am studying the source code [10:07] schestowitz__ seems unlikely or highly improbable pleroma.site is ever coming back, and viera is sort of coded to depend on that site [10:13] schestowitz__ Ariadne: would it be an easy tweak to make viera pick updates from ActivityStream in some other mastodon site? [10:14] schestowitz__ I can have a go at it, but not sure if it's strictly dependent on pleroma [10:14] Ariadne it can subscribe to any AP server actually. [10:15] schestowitz__ tuxmachines is still at @mastodon.technology/@tuxmachines [10:15] schestowitz__ https://mastodon.technology/@tuxmachines [10:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tux Machines (@tuxmachines@mastodon.technology) - Mastodon for Tech Folks [10:16] schestowitz__ I am looking at your code right now, really neat and tidy [10:25] schestowitz__ to href; [10:25] does no answer mean that pleroma.site has been given up on? Should I just pursue an account somewhere else? Silence isn't helping. If you cannot salvage and site and if it's down permanently, please just tell me so I can move on and find an alternative. [10:26] schestowitz__ One option is, he gives up [10:26] schestowitz__ and then passes the domain to someone else [10:26] schestowitz__ in which code no code changes are needed [10:27] schestowitz__ there's a private key in the code, so I assume it's hard-wired for one particular connection [10:50] *mcole (~sdfsidjf@KD113148020047.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) has joined #techrights [10:53] schestowitz__ Phoned BT again, their manager of course 'forgot' to call back [10:53] schestowitz__ You speak to a person, asking why they didn't get back [10:53] schestowitz__ No response, no reason, no help given [10:53] schestowitz__ You ask to be transferred to cancellation, it rings for a while, then the line drops [10:53] schestowitz__ and nobody phones back [10:54] schestowitz__ That's already the fourth time it happens [10:54] schestowitz__ cannot even reach cancellations [10:55] schestowitz__ meanwhile queue on the line grew to 20 minutes ● Jan 09 [11:32] vZS1 Financial Times did a piece on Assange. The comments seem to overwhelmingly be in favour of Assange. The article itself is more about Assange's lawyer. [11:32] vZS1 https://www.ft.com/content/16b8cfb2-4934-4e88-9686-ff09172e8258 [11:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ft.com | Subscribe to read | Financial Times [11:33] schestowitz__ I cannot access those [11:33] schestowitz__ can it be out on archive.is ? [11:34] schestowitz__ Oligarchs' media must be frustrated that after a decade of shit smears (sometimes LITERALLY shit) the public still supports the guy [11:34] vZS1 It seems like you can access via Google news on mobile [11:35] vZS1 But the website access from a browser is paywalled [11:37] schestowitz__ I am writing a long piece about BT [11:37] schestowitz__ for my personal blog [11:37] schestowitz__ I am furious at them [11:39] vZS1 I added your blog to my RSS feed [11:44] schestowitz__ thank you [11:44] schestowitz__ I used to blog a lot more there before techrights [11:44] schestowitz__ 2006 [11:44] schestowitz__ I am still uploading an Intel video [11:44] schestowitz__ it'll take another 3 hours [11:45] schestowitz__ 5 hours for a 12ish-minute video [11:45] schestowitz__ this is now workable and we cannot make calls except on the landline [11:45] schestowitz__ this is what one pays 40 quid a month for [11:46] schestowitz__ google youtube also downsamples the videos (blurred) and it still occassionally buffering [11:46] schestowitz__ so it's a downstream issue too [11:46] schestowitz__ had we been in a rural area, fine, but we're a mile away from Manc Town Hall [11:48] schestowitz__ 'BT has succumbed to lying and cheating, for it apparently refuses to publicly acknowledge that its network cannot meet the basic capacities required (as per laws and regulations)" [11:48] schestowitz__ I have a feeling the managers may have flagged me by now [11:48] schestowitz__ for asking hard questions [11:52] vZS1 Come March, with the new Ofcom regulations in place, BT will be breaking the law if they don't meet their obligations [11:54] vZS1 I've long said that the internet should be nationalised. An email address as well is essential to people in 2020/2021. [11:54] vZS1 In a crisis like this, commercial ISPs can get away with literally bringing ruin to people [11:55] schestowitz__ I've long mentioned... [11:55] schestowitz__ esp. wrt to EPO [11:55] schestowitz__ how 'corona' became excuse for anything [11:55] schestowitz__ "we don't respect your cash" [11:55] schestowitz__ "we cannot speak to you" [11:55] schestowitz__ "appointment canceled" [11:56] schestowitz__ "no refund for called off flights" [11:56] schestowitz__ "no labour right" [11:56] schestowitz__ " no due process" [11:56] schestowitz__ "no privacy" [11:56] schestowitz__ Assange won't be freed BTW [11:56] schestowitz__ so much for care "for his health" [11:56] schestowitz__ the judge keeps him in prison [11:56] schestowitz__ but "corona" [11:56] schestowitz__ weird times [11:56] vZS1 They can spend 16 million to monitor Assange. But these other problems don't get a fraction of that. [11:57] schestowitz__ they spent a lot more than that [11:57] *mcole has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [11:57] schestowitz__ the embassy siege along cost about 50 million [11:57] schestowitz__ police costs [11:58] schestowitz__ til bt was born only 1981 [11:58] schestowitz__ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Group [11:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | BT Group - Wikipedia [11:59] vZS1 Some countries like Ecuador have public internet access centres [11:59] schestowitz__ they're hardly better off [11:59] vZS1 But that doesn't work during a pandemic [11:59] schestowitz__ many lots of people have no connections at home [11:59] vZS1 I know [11:59] schestowitz__ we can all agree BT is vastly better than in LaTam [11:59] schestowitz__ my next post will focus on customer 'care' aspects ● Jan 09 [12:00] schestowitz__ they really mishandle it [12:00] vZS1 Public internet is now as essential as public health [12:00] schestowitz__ I think it's a congestion issue [12:00] schestowitz__ so I can almost sympathise, but they treat customers poorly [12:00] schestowitz__ they could instead apologise and say there's hope it'll improve over time [12:01] schestowitz__ evasiveness might work on less IT-savvy callers [12:01] vZS1 Good luck getting any of the ISPs admitting to having a problem [12:01] vZS1 The best you'll get is "scheduled maintenance" [12:02] vZS1 Also, 40/month for copper wire is ridiculous [12:02] schestowitz__ line rental alone is 22 quid [12:02] vZS1 You get much better for two thirds of that [12:02] schestowitz__ if you pay upfront for a year, month free [12:03] schestowitz__ you need to pay line rental for "broad"brand [12:03] vZS1 Not if you use fibre [12:03] schestowitz__ it's a fee-easing trick [12:03] vZS1 That's only for copper wire [12:03] schestowitz__ afaik, no fibre here ye [12:03] schestowitz__ *yet [12:04] schestowitz__ I guess that would introduce a different issue: [12:04] schestowitz__ no landline [12:05] schestowitz__ which we need, we don't do 'smart' phones [12:06] *rianne (~rianne@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:06] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:07] vZS1 All landlines are shared between the companies anyway [12:07] vZS1 It's not like each company digs up the road for their own cables [12:07] schestowitz__ yes, I know [12:07] schestowitz__ I mention this in my draft [12:08] vZS1 Yeah [12:08] schestowitz__ tbh, I don't carefully proofread for my blog [12:08] vZS1 I saw the blog post too [12:08] schestowitz__ as its readership is lower than TR's [12:08] vZS1 It mentions it [12:10] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [12:10] vZS1 Back to the Financial Times post for a sec [12:11] vZS1 Many people in the comments defended Assange. Most did [12:12] vZS1 Several people pointed out entire lists of things the FT piece left out [12:12] vZS1 There were a lot along the lines of "war crimes you can get away with but not free journalism" [12:13] vZS1 A few pointed out that the Swedish charges magically disappeared after the US extradition request [12:14] vZS1 I think they misjudged how their readership would react to the piece [12:14] vZS1 Tremendously backfired on them, it seems. [12:17] vZS1 One person even mentioned (this was one item in their list) how Wikileaks found out that "smart" TVs by the big names like LG and Sony were planning to use the built-in microphones to record and transmit without the customer knowing. So the manufacturers are basically in with the spying agencies to expand the surveillance machine [12:19] vZS1 The one I was most satisfied to see is when several readers pointed out that the media is involved in character assassination of Assange instead of covering what's actually in Wikileaks [12:20] schestowitz__ BT has succumbed to lying and cheating, for it apparently refuses to publicly acknowledge that its network cannot meet the basic capacities required (as per laws and regulations, even contractually w.r.t. clients) [12:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | BT Group - Wikipedia [12:20] schestowitz__

BT, or British Telecom, is probably the company I dislike the most. But at the same time they're as a de facto monopoly here, merely disguised as having 'opened up' (a sort of openwashing, including 'open'reach). I spent nearly a decade writing about BT, as they kept lying to me, they have lied to me a great deal this past week, and getting a connection from them was exceptionally [12:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive BT: Three Lies in Three Weeks [12:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Coronavirus May Have Caused a Nationwide or Regional Congestion Crisis for BT [12:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive BT is Rubbish [12:20] schestowitz__ painful to begin with. The worst experience I ever had with them was in 2015 [1, 2, 3, 4]. I must have lost like 50 working hours due to the issues back then. Even in prior years I had serious issues [1, 2] and the only thing I can say to their credit is that over the past half a decade it was rarely a bumpy ride... until 5 days ago.

[12:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Moving the Whole Neighbourhood Away From BT and BT Openreach Lines (Updated) [12:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: schestowitz; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http://schestowitz ) [12:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive BT Support: Too Hard to Return a Call [12:20] schestowitz__ So, why am I still with BT? I wrote about that 10 years ago [1, 2]. Basically, since they own and control the entire underlying network (utility providers don' [12:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive My BT Nightmare (and How to Choose an ISP in the UK) [12:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive What Its Like to be a BT Customer [12:20] *schestowitz__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:20] -NickServ-schestowitz!~schestowi@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [12:20] *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [12:21] schestowitz sorry, wrong box pasted in [12:21] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/01/09/bt-is-down/ [12:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive British Telecom Cannot Blame Coronavirus For Its Awful Customer Care and Various Face-Saving Lies Disguised as Support [12:21] schestowitz this is the correct one, typos likelty [12:21] schestowitz I am exhausted by this [12:21] schestowitz taking a break from pursuing it for now [12:23] schestowitz vZS1: re Assange, yes, but many fell for the smearing [12:23] schestowitz as you can see in yesterday's IRC logs [12:23] schestowitz some even become willing participants in the smearing [12:24] vZS1 I have an ignore list for a reason [12:24] schestowitz bonus: the latter types sometimes work for companies that commit or profit from the war crimes [12:24] schestowitz and they call themselves "social justice warriors" [12:24] vZS1 I'd like to focus on the positives [12:24] schestowitz experience suggest that those who called >themselves< that mostly attempt to distract from real issues like millions of bombed Arabs to some BS 'causes' of so-called 'snowflakes' [12:25] schestowitz bcause they'd rather talk of corporate "Responsibility" or "Diversity" or whatnot as if those are the worst's most uregnt issue [12:25] schestowitz and don't forget the "Racist" statues [12:25] schestowitz very, very urgent... more than stopping the bombs [12:25] vZS1 Many FT readers also pointed out how the judge used medical grounds to chicken out of supporting Assange. The judge agreed with the extradition request's arguments [12:26] schestowitz yeah, that too [12:26] schestowitz but it could be worse [12:26] vZS1 I'm sorting out some paperwork atm [12:26] vZS1 But I should be done soon [12:26] schestowitz there were worse potential outcomes [12:26] schestowitz I think Assange's legal team chose this strategy and a fallback and only this fallback worked [12:26] vZS1 I'll send you screenshots of the FT post and comments [12:26] schestowitz cheers [12:27] schestowitz maybe another video to do? TBH, it would be too repetitive to be worth it [12:27] schestowitz news is slow today though, I wasted 3 hours on the phone [12:27] vZS1 I'll also do that IPNS how-to for TR today. [12:28] schestowitz I asked Techrights-sec if we should do something about the censorship campaigns [12:28] schestowitz the whole mozilla, trump etc. [12:28] schestowitz but it's too politically-charged and tribalism would spoil the substance of the debate/constitution [12:28] vZS1 Worth covering. Freedom of speech means the same for us as for Cheeto Hitler [12:32] vZS1 You don't need to take sides when writing about censorship. [12:33] schestowitz " Cheeto Hitler" became a thing [12:33] schestowitz it came from MinceR [12:34] schestowitz quote sent to me by email this morning [12:34] schestowitz = [12:34] schestowitz https://boingboing.net/2021/01/08/trump-suspended-from-twitter.html [12:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | Twitter bans Trump permanently | Boing Boing [12:34] schestowitz # the process of removing the cheeto nazi for his illegal acts, [12:34] schestowitz # is being used to usher in acceptance of heavy censorship [12:34] schestowitz # see also Apple's requirement for a "moderation system" in [12:34] schestowitz # its app store [12:34] schestowitz "cheeto nazi" [12:34] schestowitz lol [12:35] schestowitz that person reads our IRC logs [12:35] vZS1 Mobs on social media will usher in acceptance of heavy censorship. This is very true [12:36] vZS1 People are celebrating the social media bans when they should be abhorred by them [12:37] schestowitz there are other optiobs [12:37] schestowitz I think social control media is toxic by design [12:37] schestowitz I once watched a video that put it nicely [12:37] vZS1 Until it becomes acceptable and becomes legislation [12:37] schestowitz the problem is what unlike a forum such as this (IRC., newsgroups), [12:37] schestowitz you put together in one platform many opposed groups [12:37] schestowitz that would not otherwise blend in [12:37] schestowitz like a party of the KKK in the same room with BLM [12:38] schestowitz that increases hostilities and at the same time creates factions [12:38] schestowitz in the same platforms [12:38] schestowitz contrariwise [12:38] vZS1 Don't forget they profit off every type of interaction [12:38] schestowitz in street protests [12:38] vZS1 Their goal is to maximise interaction [12:38] schestowitz you have police on horses or with shields to separate the factios [12:38] schestowitz that's lacking in social control media [12:39] schestowitz not "interaction" :) [12:39] schestowitz they call it "ENGAGEMENT" [12:39] schestowitz like, customer engagement [12:40] schestowitz this week I learned several times BT does not have 'cancellations" [12:40] schestowitz or "customer support" [12:40] schestowitz or "customer retention" [12:40] schestowitz they call it "loyalty" [12:40] schestowitz a positive-sounding BS [12:40] vZS1 Indeed. Many people pay more attention to social control media than their own spouse. [12:40] schestowitz so pissed off customers ------------> LOYaLTY [12:40] vZS1 So they are practically engaged to their accounts [12:40] schestowitz "Mark was so pissed off that he phoned up LOYALTY" [12:41] schestowitz I'm not done with BT [12:41] schestowitz but for my composure I take a break from it [12:41] schestowitz I don't want to do article/video about the Trump ban [12:41] schestowitz it's way too politically-loaded and binary [12:41] schestowitz I need a little break tbh [12:42] schestowitz to think what matters most to free software [12:42] vZS1 Take a break then [12:42] schestowitz I was going to do some coding on viera, it's that bot you saw here syndicating linux news [12:42] schestowitz it's written in python [12:42] vZS1 Yeah. Tinker with that relax a bit [12:43] schestowitz pleroma.site looks like a goner, which is a shame because Ariadne spent ages building it from the ground up and then babysitting it for a long time while taking endless abuse from literally neonazis [12:43] schestowitz if I cannot cope with that code, I'll write my own [12:44] schestowitz Ariadne is a reallt awesome dev, really clean code [12:44] schestowitz elegant, but python isn't my choice of lang and it has lots of APIs I don't know like the fediverse ones [12:45] schestowitz over the past 12 years we had at least 4 bots to syndicate members' statusnet and twitter accounts [12:45] schestowitz the APIs keep changing, breaking, sites go offline [12:45] schestowitz welcome to the www [12:46] schestowitz where median age of info before going offline is maybe 5 years [12:46] schestowitz shelf life of a little reptile [12:48] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [12:48] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) ● Jan 09 [13:10] schestowitz Ariadne: is there an easy way to turn viera into a command line prompt that takes a line and feeds it into the IRC bots instead of via AP? I am trying to accomplish that by studying the classes and objects... [13:10] *vZS1_2 (~vZS1_2@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [13:12] vZS1 Python is worth tolerating. You'll find it everywhere. It's pragmatic to stay familiar with it. [13:13] Ariadne theres better software for that [13:14] schestowitz irc clients? [13:14] schestowitz ncurses? [13:14] Ariadne i wrote viera to reflect AP into IRC messages [13:14] schestowitz I see some IRC code you wrote in 2014 [13:14] Ariadne i think suckless makes an irc client you can cat to [13:15] *mcole (~sdfsidjf@KD113148020047.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) has joined #techrights [13:15] schestowitz to comply with RFCs i am not familiar with [13:15] schestowitz with viera it can reach multiple channels in one fell swoops [13:15] schestowitz for tuxmachines, which is in 3 channels [13:16] schestowitz channels: [13:16] schestowitz - '#litepub' [13:16] schestowitz - '#litepub-test' [13:16] schestowitz - '#techrights' [13:16] schestowitz - '#boycottnovell-social' [13:16] schestowitz - '#tuxmachines' [13:17] schestowitz alternatively I suppose I could just direct all my own (not just TM) posts here, but some are political and not technical [13:18] schestowitz https://tools.suckless.org/ii/ [13:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tools.suckless.org | tools | suckless.org software that sucks less [13:19] Ariadne anyway viera is designed to operate as fediverse node and reflect subscriptions to different channels [13:20] schestowitz just compiled ii [13:20] schestowitz will test it [13:21] vZS1_2 Can't access the FT article on Assange anymore. [13:21] vZS1_2 Asking me to subscribe now. Probably had a timer on it. [13:30] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.105) has joined #techrights [13:32] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [13:47] vZS1_2 schestowitz: I sent the IPNS howto by email. [13:47] schestowitz thanks, I will check emails later today [13:48] *ii-techrights-bo (~ii-techri@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:49] ii-techrights-bo this is a test [13:49] schestowitz ok, nice [13:49] schestowitz so basically it is all filesystem based [13:49] schestowitz I wrote my "tweets" or whatnot to a file [13:49] schestowitz and then the bot picks it up [13:49] schestowitz installing to /bin [13:51] vZS1_2 >so basically it is all filesystem based [13:51] schestowitz I think I can how to split by topic/scope [13:51] vZS1_2 As it should be [13:52] schestowitz yes, I just write to disk [13:52] vZS1_2 Everything should be a file [13:52] vZS1_2 It's transparent and elegant [13:54] *mcole has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [13:54] schestowitz Wish I had known earlier that pleroma.site is not coming back [13:54] schestowitz I'd have done this within days [13:54] schestowitz made wrong assumptions about resumptions [13:56] vZS1_2 I always assume anything I use can disappear in 5 minutes. [13:57] vZS1_2 Particularly APIs. Those can vanish in 5ms [13:58] ii-techrights-bo IRC=$(xclip -o) echo $IRC > ~/Desktop/Text_Workspace/images/ii-1.8/techrights2/irc.freenode.net/#techrights/in [13:59] schestowitz this was intentional [13:59] schestowitz and it worked [13:59] schestowitz it pasted the code that ran it [13:59] schestowitz takes it from the clipboard [13:59] schestowitz now let's try a real thing ● Jan 09 [14:00] ii-techrights-bo NEWS #CommonDreams As Pro-Trump Mob Boasts About Roles in Deadly Capitol Invasion, Indigenous Water Protecters Charged for Peaceful Keystone XL Protests https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/01/08/pro-trump-mob-boasts-about-roles-deadly-capitol-invasion-indigenous-water-protecters [14:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | As Pro-Trump Mob Boasts About Roles in Deadly Capitol Invasion, Indigenous Water Protecters Charged for Peaceful Keystone XL Protests | Common Dreams News [14:00] schestowitz yay [14:00] schestowitz I'll need to split that apart from linux things [14:01] schestowitz some bash conditional statements based on mouse position [14:05] ii-techrights-bo Working with ii of suckless. What a wonderful yet small utility. #suckless [14:08] *ii-techrights-bo has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [14:14] *techrights-bot (~techright@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [14:30] techrights-bot First Look at #KDE Plasmas New Kickoff Applications Menu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146294 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First Look at KDE Plasmas New Kickoff Applications Menu | Tux Machines [14:31] vZS1_2 I'm tweaking the settings of my IPFS nodes. They seem to crash if you've got over 900 peers connected at a time. [14:31] vZS1_2 I capped the max peers at 200 [14:32] techrights-bot #KDE Frameworks 5.78 Brings Support for the #AV1 Image Format to All KDE Apps, More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146295 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Frameworks 5.78 Brings Support for the AV1 Image Format to All KDE Apps, More | Tux Machines [14:32] schestowitz I hope the bot isn't too annoying [14:32] vZS1_2 Doesn't bother me. [14:33] schestowitz those will always be 1) technical [14:33] schestowitz and 2) new/news [14:34] schestowitz this is also very extensible [14:35] schestowitz you can send output to the files to reflect stuff like channel/site status or anything breaking news [14:35] schestowitz provided it's in i/o [14:35] schestowitz so in theory alerts, breaking processes etc. [14:35] schestowitz but must be of general interest to all, obviously [14:36] vZS1_2 That's because it's a sane CLI tool [14:36] vZS1_2 Not some bloated crapware [14:36] schestowitz I also have viera hv access [14:36] schestowitz I had to restart that container, as Ariadne suggested [14:37] schestowitz Very nice code there, but I think the dependence on AP means that for now it's unable to do very much. For now.. [14:37] vZS1_2 I've not heard of suckless before [14:37] schestowitz vZS1_2: wow [14:37] schestowitz I thought it was well known [14:37] schestowitz very extensive toolset [14:38] vZS1_2 Looks pretty neat. [14:38] schestowitz the ii program is tiny [14:38] schestowitz very unity [14:38] schestowitz unixy [14:38] schestowitz it's all pipes and files [14:38] schestowitz ii -s irc.freenode.net -i techrights2 -n techrights-bot [14:39] schestowitz echo '/j #techrights' > ~/Desktop/Text_Workspace/images/ii-1.8/techrights2/irc.freenode.net/in [14:39] schestowitz to join channel [14:39] schestowitz and... [14:39] schestowitz to post: [14:39] schestowitz IRC=$(xclip -o) [14:39] schestowitz echo $IRC > ~/Desktop/Text_Workspace/images/ii-1.8/techrights2/irc.freenode.net/#techrights/in [14:39] schestowitz there's a MAKEFILE in the gzip [14:39] schestowitz and it works without dependency hells [14:40] schestowitz I can post the lines to IRC with my 5th mouse button [14:40] schestowitz some go to 3 channels at once [14:40] schestowitz using xbindkeys and more [14:47] vZS1_2 That's how programs should be written [14:50] schestowitz finishing the Intel post [14:50] schestowitz hey, maybe I can do an irc bot cron job for ipfs [14:50] schestowitz but I need to think how to present it [14:50] schestowitz one option is, as soon as logs for IRC get generated the URL shows up here [14:51] schestowitz another is, ipfs will spew out new CIDs as soon as they're added (for people to pin) [14:51] schestowitz maybe this evening i'll look into it [14:57] techrights-bot #InteLeaks Part IX: #Vapourware at #Intel and Assessments With Conflict of Interest http://techrights.org/2021/01/09/vaporware-at-intel/ #GNU #Linux [14:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks Part IX: Vapourware at Intel and Assessments With Conflict of Interest | Techrights ● Jan 09 [15:00] vZS1_2 My IPFS node crashed twice in the last two days. Something about too many files being open. I suspect it's something to do with too many simultaneous peers. [15:01] schestowitz every day @2:40 a cron job on my pc runs the irc logs generation scripts [15:01] schestowitz auto-piloted, been working well for nearly a week [15:02] schestowitz I'll see if I can make it advertise them here by writing to the irc file [15:02] vZS1_2 I haven't got any system in place to recover a crashed IPFS daemon, yet. I'll probably do that some time soon. [15:06] vZS1_2 I'll probably hack together some sort of monitoring GUI later. [15:07] vZS1_2 gnuplot, perhaps. [15:14] *Livestradamus has quit (Quit: I'm out.) [15:15] *Livestradamus (~quassel@unaffiliated/livestradamus) has joined #techrights [15:20] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-080121.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-080121.txt Read the log now... 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[15:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Friday, January 08, 2021 [15:21] schestowitz OK, those are automated now, in the nightly [15:21] schestowitz now let's do ipfs links [15:21] schestowitz or bulletin [15:26] MinceR (cat) https://i.imgur.com/WlEFVjY.mp4 [15:26] *rianne (~rianne@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:26] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:30] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-01-08.txt [15:34] schestowitz this was done from a script that does the bulletins [15:34] schestowitz so it's in the cycle now [15:46] techrights-bot This tweet is worth it only for the comments. #mozilla isn't a technical entity anymore. https://twitter.com/mozilla/status/1347633954497548289 [15:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mozilla: This week we saw the culmination of a four-year disinformation campaign orchestrated by the President. We have to a https://t.co/jLmttSH6X8 [15:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mozilla: This week we saw the culmination of a four-year disinformation campaign orchestrated by the President. We have to a https://t.co/jLmttSH6X8 [15:47] techrights-bot https://twitter.com/ericajoy/status/1344654006245703681 [15:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EricaJoy: 2021 ally challenge: if a product, service, or company is built by either all men or all white people, you dont u https://t.co/L2MGNfeHul [15:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EricaJoy: 2021 ally challenge: if a product, service, or company is built by either all men or all white people, you dont u https://t.co/L2MGNfeHul [15:49] techrights-bot Conflating #trumpism with something else to paint those who oppose #socialcontrolmedia #censorship as radical or make them seem like "Trump supporters" and bigots https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ [15:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | We need more than deplatforming - The Mozilla Blog ● Jan 09 [16:02] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:03] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [16:18] *vZS1_2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:19] techrights-bot You Can Now Upgrade from #LinuxMint 20 to Linux Mint 20.1, Heres How http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146296 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest [16:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | You Can Now Upgrade from Linux Mint 20 to Linux Mint 20.1, Here's How | Tux Machines [16:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [16:20] techrights-bot Another example of the sorts of things that are happening inside #Intel and almost nobody (from the outside) knows about http://techrights.org/2021/01/09/vaporware-at-intel/ [16:22] techrights-bot "In particular, it reasoned that, where the elements of similarity between two signs result from a common weak distinctive component (ATHLON in this case), the impact of those elements on the global assessment of the likelihood of confusion is in itself low." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/01/athlon-custom-sportswear-found-not.html [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | 'ATHLON CUSTOM SPORTSWEAR found not confusingly similar to DECATHLON - The IPKat [16:32] *Blukunfando (~bkf@62.57.153.77.dyn.user.ono.com) has joined #techrights [16:45] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:46] *rianne (~rianne@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:54] *abarr has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) ● Jan 09 [17:02] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:03] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [17:17] *rianne (~rianne@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:17] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:30] MinceR (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/Qrns71s.mp4 [17:34] XRevan86 MinceR: These turnstiles look like they're made to make it easy to jump over them. [17:34] MinceR :) [17:36] XRevan86 https://ss.metronews.ru/userfiles/materials/156/1567809/858x540.jpg [17:43] XRevan86 https://themoscowtimes.com/2017/11/16/a59590 found out only now about this :D [17:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themoscowtimes.com | Russian Sculptor Wants to Gift Putin-Bear Statue to the President [17:44] *ralfaux (60fd53db@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.96.253.83.219) has joined #techrights [17:46] MinceR it's hideous [17:46] MinceR fits POO IN A TIN well [17:48] XRevan86 A guy in Astrakha got a business subsidy and invested it all into making a scrupture of a Bear-Gryphon-Putin thing with a fish in its claws. [17:49] XRevan86 Possibly not a Gryphon but an angel or something, hard to tell. [17:49] MinceR he should have done this instead >> (audio) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLMTMK-mp7w [17:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Putin on the Ritz - YouTube [17:50] CrystalMath lol [17:50] CrystalMath that title is pretty funny [17:50] XRevan86 The fish is a sturgeon however, that is known. [17:52] XRevan86 MinceR: This is beautiful [17:52] MinceR :) [17:53] XRevan86 https://mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11540584.ece/alternates/s615b/putin-statue.jpg [17:55] CrystalMath "the eagle that the bear is stepping on symbolizes Russias enemies, he added" [17:55] CrystalMath gee, i wonder which one [17:56] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [17:56] XRevan86 49 times we fought that beast. Your old man and me. It had angel wings with bear claws; with a Putin's face too. And it was waiting in the bushes for us [17:56] CrystalMath if only it was clear which country uses an eagle for its symbol [17:56] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Russia does :D [17:56] MinceR many countries do [17:56] MinceR but yeah, russia is the country putin has done the most harm to [17:57] CrystalMath not really [17:57] CrystalMath he's way better than Yeltsin [17:57] MinceR looks like this "sculptor" has never seen a bear, not even in pictures [17:57] CrystalMath i wouldn't think anything of this statue thing [17:57] CrystalMath it says the same guy made them before and nobody cared [17:58] CrystalMath they're all in his personal gallery [17:58] XRevan86 CrystalMath: At least Yeltsin was brief. [17:58] MinceR i don't see how yeltsin comes into a comparison between the damage putin did to various countries [17:59] MinceR he's neither putin nor a country, as far as i know [17:59] XRevan86 Putin can also be considered one of the Yeltsin's sins. [17:59] XRevan86 the last contribution ● Jan 09 [18:00] MinceR https://www.quora.com/How-many-countries-have-a-national-flag-with-an-eagle?share=1 [18:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How many countries have a national flag with an eagle? - Quora [18:00] MinceR Poland has an eagle in its crest as well [18:01] MinceR or coat of arms, or whatever [18:01] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_(heraldry)#Modern_usage [18:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Eagle (heraldry) - Wikipedia [18:01] CrystalMath and the roman (byzantine) empire, during the Palaiologos era [18:02] CrystalMath that eagle was copy pasted to every country of the balkans [18:02] XRevan86 Well, pretty much everyone took it from the Romans. [18:03] MinceR what have the romans ever done for us? [18:03] XRevan86 CrystalMath: It's also important to remember that the political elite from the Yeltsin era didn't magically disappear. [18:04] MinceR for example, there was a certain director of the FSB... [18:05] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I think the most bright example is Anatoly Chubais, whom everyone hated in the 90s but who is a big figure in the Putin's apparatus. [18:06] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [18:09] XRevan86 The infamy is so big that even putinists use Chubais as an example of 90s villainy. [18:09] XRevan86 Just another example of double-think. [18:12] MinceR :> [18:56] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-v6kyEDCNo [18:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Smallest Windows PC in 1995 Was Also a Phone! IBM Palm Top PC110 - YouTube ● Jan 09 [19:05] schestowitz [17:53] https://mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11540584.ece/alternates/s615b/putin-statue.jpg [19:05] schestowitz [17:55] "the eagle that the bear is stepping on symbolizes Russias enemies, he added" [19:05] schestowitz Bear stepping on Putin?! [19:06] XRevan86 The Bear *is* Putin [19:06] XRevan86 ah [19:06] schestowitz but.. [19:06] XRevan86 just got the idea %) [19:06] schestowitz " symbolizes Russias enemies" [19:06] XRevan86 schestowitz: got it, got it [19:07] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:14] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [19:21] techrights-bot #PeaZip 7.7.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146297 #deletegithub [19:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PeaZip 7.7.0 | Tux Machines [19:23] techrights-bot #Purism and #Linux 5.8 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146298 #GNU #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest [19:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Purism and Linux 5.8 | Tux Machines [19:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [19:25] techrights-bot #KDE Frameworks 5.78.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146295#comment-27732 #gnu #linux [19:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Frameworks 5.78 Brings Support for the AV1 Image Format to All KDE Apps, More | Tux Machines [19:26] techrights-bot #LinuxMint 20.1 Ulyssa Officially Released [How to Upgrade] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146269#comment-27733 #gnu #linux [19:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.1 Ulyssa Cinnamon released! | Tux Machines [19:27] techrights-bot Stable Kernels: 5.10.6, 5.4.88, 4.19.166, 4.14.214, 4.9.250 , and 4.4.250 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146300 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest [19:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.10.6, 5.4.88, 4.19.166, 4.14.214, 4.9.250 , and 4.4.250 | Tux Machines [19:30] techrights-bot 7 Essential Tools to #Search the Filesystem http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146299 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 Essential Tools to Search the Filesystem | Tux Machines [19:31] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:33] *ralfaux has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [19:35] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [19:37] techrights-bot 7 Best #Ubuntu live USB creators to Download & Use http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146301 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest [19:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 Best Ubuntu live USB creators to Download & Use | Tux Machines [19:42] techrights-bot #ECS LIVA Q1A Arm mini PC runs Linux or Android on #Rockchip RK3288 or RK3399 SoC https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/01/09/ecs-liva-q1a-arm-mini-pc-runs-linux-or-android-on-rockchip-rk3288-or-rk3399-soc/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware [19:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | ECS LIVA Q1A Arm mini PC runs Linux or Android on Rockchip RK3288 or RK3399 SoC [19:45] techrights-bot WHAT stopped in 1996? Software innovation, or priorities? https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/01/what-stopped-in-1996-software-innovation-or-priorities/ #programming [19:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | WHAT stopped in 1996? Software innovation, or priorities? | Stop at Zona-M [19:50] techrights-bot #HowTo build a Linux-powered smart home http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146303 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to build a Linux-powered smart home | Tux Machines [19:51] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146302 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest [19:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:52] *ccady (4c67a85f@c-76-103-168-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #techrights [19:53] techrights-bot Wine 6.0 Release Candidate 6 looks like the last before a final release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146280#comment-27735 #gnu #linux [19:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.0 RC6 and Proton Experimental Update | Tux Machines [19:53] schestowitz vZS1: another one today: https://cryptopotato.com/a-new-malware-working-on-windows-linux-and-macos-targets-your-cryptocurrency-report/ [19:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cryptopotato.com | A New Malware Working On Windows, Linux, and MacOS Targets Your Cryptocurrency: Report [19:53] schestowitz they can't stop, can they? [19:53] schestowitz alternative headline: [19:54] schestowitz golang is cross platform [19:54] schestowitz and you can develop programs with it... to accomplish malicious things [19:55] ccady Just a quick suggestion: I love the content at TechRights. I would like to suggest two things: 1) that the site itself be formatted in a much simpler format -- it is difficult to understand and navigate. 2) That the Links articles be an outline, so that sections can be opened and closed. Just my 2. [19:56] schestowitz hi [19:57] techrights-bot #eDEXUI Coolest Linux Terminal http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146304 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest [19:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | eDEX-UI Coolest Linux Terminal | Tux Machines [19:57] ccady Those are just my impressions. I have tried to browse the site using my phone, and have given up. [19:57] ccady But even if nothing changes, I am thrilled with the site, and wish to thank you for all you do. [19:58] schestowitz what about rss feeds? [19:58] schestowitz if you use a phone, there's an "app" [19:58] schestowitz for Android anyway [19:58] schestowitz that strips things down to plain HTML ● Jan 09 [20:01] techrights-bot #gnu #linux distro #Snal has a new release today, 1.2 https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/ [20:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Snal Linux download | SourceForge.net [20:02] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [20:03] ccady I will look into it. Thank you! [20:03] techrights-bot #WineStaging 6.0-RC6 Fixes An 11 Year Old Bug http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146280#comment-27736 [20:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.0 RC6 and Proton Experimental Update | Tux Machines [20:03] schestowitz http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120574 [20:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Testers Wanted: Android App for Tux Machines Site | Tux Machines [20:03] schestowitz it's sort of alpha, but I tested and it works [20:04] schestowitz it's tuxmachines and techrights in there [20:05] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [20:12] techrights-bot #Security : #Microsoft Cracked Again and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146305 #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest [20:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Microsoft Cracked Again and More | Tux Machines [20:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [20:16] techrights-bot GNU #Wget 1.21 and GNU Wget 1.21.1 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146306 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #FreeSW [20:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Wget 1.21 and GNU Wget 1.21.1 Released | Tux Machines [20:19] vZS1 @ccady: the bulletins are where you see the structure of TR [20:19] techrights-bot This week in #KDE : new #KWin compositing, new Kickoff, new recording level visualization! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146307 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: new KWin compositing, new Kickoff, new recording level visualization! | Tux Machines [20:19] schestowitz vZS1: in case you noticed but did not get notifiFIED... :-) [20:20] vZS1 What's going on? [20:20] schestowitz the bulletins, as soon as they are generated, will be advertised with link in IRC [20:20] schestowitz which was easy to accomplish [20:20] schestowitz just echo > file [20:20] vZS1 Oh [20:20] schestowitz so classy [20:20] schestowitz echo "*** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/$IRCDATEFILE" > ~/Desktop/Text_Workspace/images/ii-1.8/techrights2/irc.freenode.net/#techrights/in [20:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/txt-archives/$IRCDATEFILE ) [20:20] vZS1 Nice [20:21] schestowitz same for IRC logs as soon as they are generated [20:21] schestowitz 2:40 [20:21] *ccady has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:21] vZS1 TR could use some cleaning up [20:22] vZS1 The original TR material is mixed up with the other links atm [20:22] techrights-bot Those are not events, they're webstreams https://opensource.com/article/21/1/virtual-events-2020 [20:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Catch up on these 4 virtual events from 2020 | Opensource.com [20:23] schestowitz vZS1: you mean, the bot stuff or the site? [20:23] schestowitz we've long had newsbots [20:23] schestowitz like over 10 years [20:23] schestowitz the order incarnations used identi.ca/statusnet [20:25] techrights-bot #LiveRaizo 12.21.01.04 is out, coming from #france and based on #debian #gnu #linux https://sourceforge.net/projects/live-raizo/ [20:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Live Raizo - Linux for Virtual SysAdmin download | SourceForge.net [20:28] vZS1 The site [20:28] schestowitz Oh, I see [20:28] schestowitz well, that's why links have red background [20:28] schestowitz some suggested making that foldable [20:28] vZS1 I mean more for navigation [20:28] schestowitz but suggested javascript [20:28] schestowitz which would be a step back [20:29] schestowitz like latest posts listed at the top? [20:29] schestowitz (of blog)? [20:30] vZS1 Im suggesting more a change in the site layout. Split TR posts into a linear history. Relegate the external links to another page [20:30] vZS1 The main site is still hard to navigate [20:31] vZS1 When you click on a link in the new root page, it still goes back to the old site [20:32] vZS1 That way people can easily read all the TR stuff because it's all in one place. [20:32] techrights-bot Devices/Embedded Boards From the #UK http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146309 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Raspi [20:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices/Embedded Boards From the UK | Tux Machines [20:33] schestowitz wordpress does not work like this thoygh [20:33] schestowitz *though [20:33] schestowitz unless we exclude some category from front page [20:33] schestowitz though it can affect RSS feeds as well [20:34] schestowitz vZS1: need mockup to better understand [20:34] vZS1 There's no page you can visit to see the TR stories [20:35] vZS1 And only the TR stories [20:35] schestowitz there are 30,000 blog posts [20:35] schestowitz the wiki can be better for some stuff [20:35] schestowitz That's how EPO workers read the site [20:35] schestowitz and their wiki landing page is listed in the front (root) page [20:36] vZS1 Yes but the TR posts aren't [20:36] vZS1 Wiki has a dedicated page [20:36] vZS1 TR articles don't [20:36] vZS1 It would be worth making a dedicated page which lists TR articles. [20:37] schestowitz so you want a listing that excludes a particular category [20:37] schestowitz as if it's a bad one [20:37] schestowitz and I don't think it is [20:37] schestowitz some use the site for nothing BUT those link [20:37] schestowitz *links [20:37] schestowitz because no other site collates and curates them like this [20:37] schestowitz with hierarchy and speed [20:37] vZS1 Yes so it can have its own page [20:37] vZS1 People find the site hard to navigate [20:39] vZS1 Streamlining would help readers quickly find what they want [20:39] techrights-bot #KDE #Plasma 5.21 Brings Low-latency Compositing, New Kickoff Menu, and Wallpaper | Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146308 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.21 Brings Low-latency Compositing, New Kickoff Menu, and Wallpaper | Tux Machines [20:39] vZS1 TR articles| wiki| external links [20:40] schestowitz We used to have that [20:40] schestowitz but magpieRSS broke [20:40] schestowitz there was a listing of articles and links apart [20:40] schestowitz it's still doable [20:40] schestowitz and... if you want. [20:40] schestowitz the current front page can split the two [20:40] schestowitz then show one timeline or list for each [20:41] schestowitz though it would just add more items to that page and clutter is further, I think [20:41] vZS1 It's not the front page that needs changing [20:41] vZS1 That's just a summary [20:41] vZS1 It's the layout of the rest of the site [20:41] schestowitz the bulletins already splits the two [20:41] schestowitz and links are always at the bottom [20:43] vZS1 It would be good to mention that in the root page. I forgot about that [20:43] techrights-bot Why is #Alibaba outsourcing to #proprietarySoftware #monopoly of #microsoft ? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Alibaba-MNN-1.1.1-Performance #deletegithub [20:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alibaba's MNN Deep Learning Framework Continues Squeezing More Performance - Phoronix [20:44] vZS1 The WordPress site is hard to navigate. To much clutter [20:44] schestowitz [20:42] tomorrow i'm bringing it back [20:44] schestowitz [20:43] and i'm gonna make it more clear, and use a lesser infrastructure, so i'm not the only one in charge [20:44] schestowitz [20:44] thanks! [20:44] vZS1 Too* [20:44] schestowitz argh, I heard it before... [20:44] schestowitz about pleroma.site [20:44] schestowitz [20:44] .site is gonna be separate from anything else [20:44] schestowitz [20:44] (else = else I own). Same for the other fedis site [20:44] schestowitz [20:44] thank you [20:45] schestowitz anyway, in the meantime we have a contingency for it [20:45] schestowitz [20:45] If I can't get invidual sites to get fund at half as what it costs, I'll shut them down. Each "group" will get "owners" and backupers. [20:45] schestowitz [20:45] sounds fair [20:45] schestowitz see? [20:45] schestowitz social control media has no sustainable model [20:46] schestowitz [20:45] p.site, p.fr, mastodon.host and related was costing me 600e/m [20:46] schestowitz [20:46] wow, that is a lot indeed [20:46] schestowitz [20:46] big and shared doesn't work, so i'm gonna try open and small [20:46] schestowitz joindiapora sort of shared the load across several people and raises money [20:48] vZS1 Will always crash [20:48] schestowitz [20:47] this means i'm gonna call for help. Could you either participate in sysadm, participate in finances, participate on backups ? [20:48] schestowitz [20:47] pick one or more. [20:48] schestowitz [20:48] I am willing to pay a bit, I recently paid joindiaspora [20:48] vZS1 P2P is the only reliable way to keep data online [20:49] schestowitz seems like the same day I work on a contingency he says all of the sudden the site is coming back [20:49] schestowitz vZS1: in the long run, yeah... [20:50] schestowitz [20:49] Cool. I hope to find backuping people and a sort of "council" who owns the domain and backup encryption key. [20:50] schestowitz [20:50] :-) [20:50] vZS1 It's also convenient for us. Because sharing the load is built into P2P networks [20:50] vZS1 We just write simple scripts to automate things [20:51] schestowitz 20:50] I really feel a lot bad for this extended downtime [20:51] schestowitz [20:51] "Shit happens" :-) [20:51] schestowitz vZS1: well, we'll see how it goes [20:51] schestowitz tbh, I suffered a lot from this downtime... this past month [20:51] schestowitz we really depended a lot on ActivityPub [20:54] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:55] schestowitz maybe we can mix and match bots [20:55] schestowitz example [20:55] schestowitz the existing one does bulletins and IRC [20:55] schestowitz among more [20:55] schestowitz the one Ariadne wrote, viera, can do the rest [20:55] schestowitz Ariadne: href says now he's bringing back the site (some details above) [20:56] schestowitz I will need to chip in and help to keep it going, which I'm willing to do [20:57] schestowitz if something is free, they say, you're the product [20:57] schestowitz or... someone else pays for it [20:57] schestowitz href in this case ● Jan 09 [21:17] techrights-bot #OpenSUSE #Tumbleweed Updates | Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146310 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenSUSE Tumbleweed Updates | Tux Machines [21:19] techrights-bot #FreeSoftware Leftovers | Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146311 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw [21:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [21:19] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [21:24] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [21:35] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Jan 09 [22:13] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146312 [22:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [22:20] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers | Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146313 #GNU #Linux [22:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [22:25] techrights-bot Links 9/1/2021: KDE Frameworks 5.78.0, GNU Wget 1.21.1, Red Hat Buying StackRox http://techrights.org/2021/01/09/gnu-wget-1-21-1/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [22:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 9/1/2021: KDE Frameworks 5.78.0, GNU Wget 1.21.1, Red Hat Buying StackRox | Techrights [22:27] DaemonFC[m] https://www.windowscentral.com/how-reset-icon-cache-database-windows-10 [22:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.windowscentral.com | How to reset the icon cache database on Windows 10 | Windows Central [22:27] DaemonFC[m] This issue is STILL affecting Windows 10. [22:27] DaemonFC[m] Makes it impossible to start Firefox from the Start Menu. [22:29] techrights-bot #GNU #findutils 4.8.0 released | Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146315 #freesw #Linux #TuxMachines [22:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU findutils 4.8.0 released | Tux Machines [22:29] DaemonFC[m] Okay, so for some reason, it was linking to a broken icon. [22:29] DaemonFC[m] We're finally back to the bad old days. [22:29] DaemonFC[m] Where Firefox has severe rendering problems with sites meant for another browser. [22:30] techrights-bot "I recently bought a Raspberry Pi 400 which also sits on my desk for quick-release arm64-action! The problem I have had with other Pis is the spiders web of cables needed, and additional keyboard." https://popey.com/blog/2021/01/two-displays-and-two-computers/ [22:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popey.com | Two Displays & Two Computers [22:30] DaemonFC[m] Nobody is even testing to see if Firefox works. The sites are saying get Chrome. [22:30] techrights-bot "The Community Council has concluded that we need a new evaluation of the #Ubuntu Local Communities project itself and this should be done by a Local Communities Research Committee." https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/01/09/call-for-nomination-local-communities-research-committee/ [22:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fridge.ubuntu.com | Ubuntu Fridge | Call for Nomination: Local Communities Research Committee [22:31] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: maybe Mozilla needs to send the cake back [22:31] schestowitz to Microcraplot [22:32] DaemonFC[m] There were jokes like "Was the cake ticking?". [22:32] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/22/mozilla-board/ [22:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Hires From Microsoft for Mozillas Board | Techrights [22:32] DaemonFC[m] Well, after laying off productive people and going through another useless plan to reorg the Firefox user interface, what the hell? [22:34] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Nathan Lineback has more or less given up on Firefox too, after years of maintaining a site about how much he hated Microsoft and, IE in particular. [22:35] DaemonFC[m] He said he heard about the mass layoffs, and if it was the people who redesigned the GUI he'd be supportive, but it wasn't. It was the people in charge of writing the browser engine. [22:35] DaemonFC[m] And I agree, something bigger is coming. [22:35] DaemonFC[m] Without developers, Gecko will fall further behind than it already is in addressing web compatibility problems. [22:35] techrights-bot #nvidia is still a wild affair. One wonder what will happen to ARM if/when the US takes over http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146234#comment-27737 [22:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nvidia 460.32.03 Display Driver Adds Support for RTX A6000 GPUs, Vulkan Improvements | Tux Machines [22:35] DaemonFC[m] And eventually they'll say they're switching to Chromium and trying to make the best out of a bad situation. [22:37] DaemonFC[m] Really, if you think about it, claiming that they're trying to differentiate themselves at the user experience level is where everyone else went, because it's expensive and difficult to actually build a browser. [22:37] DaemonFC[m] Much less so to throw a coat of paint on Chrome and call the program something else. [22:39] techrights-bot Comparing food to #freesw and standards https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/01/what-fonio-or-any-other-food-should-share-with-serious-digital-standards/ [22:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | What Fonio, or any other food, should share with serious digital standards | Stop at Zona-M [22:39] MinceR unfortunately, mozilla is differentiating itself by being worse [22:39] MinceR stupid shit like throwing ALSA support out [22:39] techrights-bot Element: The Greatest Way To Access Matrix - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDD49zEp3Uk #Video #Freesw [22:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Element: The Greatest Way To Access Matrix - YouTube [22:46] MinceR i prefer using IRC to access matrix :> [22:47] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX | Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146316 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [22:50] schestowitz MinceR: is matrix worth it at all? [22:50] schestowitz seems like more entities move to it [22:50] MinceR \_()_/ [22:50] schestowitz private and public [22:50] schestowitz no, seriosuly [22:50] MinceR i'm not too impressed with it [22:50] schestowitz maybe even the cheeto nazi will move to it [22:50] schestowitz or cheeto hitler [22:50] schestowitz some copied it in the former form [22:51] MinceR like with XMPP, if the server i used went down, i could start over with setting up everything from scratch [22:51] schestowitz MinceR: why matrix and now irc? [22:51] schestowitz attaching images? [22:51] schestowitz seems like recipe for bloat [22:51] schestowitz esp. when linking is possible [22:51] schestowitz leave text to text [22:51] MinceR IRC is too old, too good and too free for hipsters [22:51] schestowitz and image hosting to that alone [22:51] MinceR they've got to have something bloated, heavy, preferably based on the "modern" web [22:51] schestowitz MinceR: yeah [22:51] schestowitz and many tools for it [22:51] MinceR matrix is still not ideal for them [22:51] schestowitz now I just write to a file [22:52] MinceR faecesbook and dicksword are better for them [22:52] schestowitz and it echos in irc [22:52] MinceR that way, they can be beholden to a corporation [22:52] schestowitz very nice suckless program called ii [22:53] MinceR as for Bunker Bitch's fan club, they're shit out of luck [22:54] MinceR maybe their beloved russian empire will run something for them [22:54] MinceR something nonfree and bloated, with only 1 client they're allowed to use [22:54] MinceR or only a web interface [22:55] schestowitz Bunker Bitch? [22:56] schestowitz Trump? [22:56] schestowitz His wife/daughter? [22:56] schestowitz Is that another term like cheeto hitler? [22:59] techrights-bot My ARM laptop http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Techrights-Birthday-14-Years/20200915_070340 [22:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | 20200915 070340 ● Jan 09 [23:00] MinceR trump [23:02] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [23:09] schestowitz BB [23:09] schestowitz B [23:09] schestowitz Benjamin Trump Neyanyahu, BiBi, |Bunker Bitch| [23:11] techrights-bot Intel Preparing New Driver Option To Disable GPU Security Mitigations - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-i915-mitigations-off-Opt #Intel offers no real #security and works for the #trump regime with back doors [23:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Preparing New Driver Option To Disable GPU Security Mitigations - Phoronix [23:13] techrights-bot "Linux's #HMM implementation came together over the years and of the interest to many vendors." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-ROCm-HMM-SVM-Memory #Radeon #Linux #Kernel [23:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD Making Progress On HMM-Based SVM Memory Manager For Open-Source Compute - Phoronix [23:14] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [23:15] techrights-bot "This opt-in #L1d flushing on context switching tried for the #Linux 5.8 #kernel but at the time was rejected by Linus #Torvalds as "beyond stupid", big performance implications, and not necessarily working out as desire" https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=L1d-Flush-2021-Patches [23:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-L1d Cache Flushing On Context Switch Trying Again But More Conservative In 2021 - Phoronix [23:17] techrights-bot #Bootlin : "We recently contributed an improvement to Buildroot that allows those toolchains to very easily be used in #Buildroot configurations" https://bootlin.com/blog/bootlin-toolchains-integration-in-buildroot/ [23:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bootlin toolchains integration in Buildroot - Bootlin's blog [23:18] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: https://mastransky.wordpress.com/2021/01/08/the-first-fully-tested-fedora-firefox-package/ [23:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastransky.wordpress.com | The first fully tested Fedora Firefox package Martin Stransky's Blog [23:19] techrights-bot Fedora program update: 2021-01 -> #Fedora Community Blog https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-program-update-2021-01/ #communityfedoraproject [23:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Fedora program update: 2021-01 Fedora Community Blog [23:22] techrights-bot #linuxfoundaion is defunct. #CNCF and #Zoom instead of #freesw and all projects outsourced to #microsoft proprietary GitHub https://enotty.pipebreaker.pl/posts/2021/01/kubecon-na-2020-talks-to-watch-part-1/ [23:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enotty.pipebreaker.pl | KubeCon NA 2020 talks to watch, part 1 | -ENOTTY [23:22] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [23:25] techrights-bot #LinuxFoundation is NOT about #linux http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation [23:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights [23:26] techrights-bot #Vkrunner RPM packages available - Samuel Iglesias Gonslvez's blog https://blogs.igalia.com/siglesias/2021/01/08/vkrunner-rpm-packages-available/ #igalia [23:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.igalia.com | Vkrunner RPM packages available - Samuel Iglesias Gonslvez's blog [23:29] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat propping up misleading, deliberately bad misnomers like "serverless" https://jaxenter.com/quarkus-serverless-173345.html see http://techrights.org/2019/07/13/buzzwords-confronted/ [23:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Modernizing application development with serverless and Quarkus - JAXenter [23:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Theres No Such Thing as Cloud Computing, Serverless and All That Other Nonsense | Techrights [23:29] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [23:30] techrights-bot Count the buzzwords in this headline of an #ibm #redhat puff piece (advertising disguised as "news") https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/devops-hybrid-cloud-red-hat [23:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.siliconrepublic.com | How a DevOps culture can make the hybrid cloud work [23:30] MinceR lol [23:31] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat marketing-heads are leveraging a pandemic that kills millions of people to sell their crap products (many proprietary) https://thriveglobal.com/stories/reinventing-11s-in-a-time-of-disruption/ no sense of shame to these people... [23:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thriveglobal.com | Reinventing 1:1s in a time of disruption [23:34] techrights-bot http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group [23:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gartner Group - Techrights [23:38] techrights-bot Development Release: #AntiX Bullseye Alpha 1 - Noice http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146317 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Debian [23:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Development Release: AntiX 'Bullseye' Alpha 1 - Noice | Tux Machines [23:39] techrights-bot #chromeOS is a ToyOS. Need you install any more toys on it? Wipe clean the #chromebook (if that is still feasible, #google tries to obstruct that), install "proper" #gnu #linux on it. https://www.maketecheasier.com/awesome-games-chromebook/ [23:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | The 14 Best Games to Play on Your Chromebook in 2021 - Make Tech Easier [23:40] schestowitz Sigh. https://cryptopotato.com/a-new-malware-working-on-windows-linux-and-macos-targets-your-cryptocurrency-report/ [23:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cryptopotato.com | A New Malware Working On Windows, Linux, and MacOS Targets Your Cryptocurrency: Report [23:40] schestowitz more FUD [23:40] schestowitz "new malwarE" [23:40] schestowitz how does that GET to a server/personal machine? [23:40] schestowitz you need to actually install the darn thing [23:42] schestowitz while IRC logs make that apparent already, today's tl;dr is that pleroma.site will likely come back if the users support it technically and financially. We've meanwhile set up alternatives to viera. I think viera will run in tandem (depending on channel) because ii does some things better than viera can. So a mix of both would be beneficial. [23:43] schestowitz vZS1: do you want me to do some work on IPFS to the effect noted? [23:43] schestowitz or is that, being unstable (still) as mentioned, to be a side project for now? I have lots of spare time tonight/tomorrow. [23:46] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat employee running servers at home http://adam.younglogic.com/2021/01/homelab-openshift-4-on-baremetal-part-1/ [23:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-adam.younglogic.com | Homelab OpenShift 4 on Baremetal: Part 1 | Adam Youngs Web Log [23:49] techrights-bot #Graphics : #Vkrunner , #Intel and #AMD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146318 [23:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: Vkrunner, Intel and AMD | Tux Machines [23:51] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [23:52] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: According to Lake County, they're not even a third of the way through vaccine phase 1a. [23:52] DaemonFC[m] Which is healthcare workers and people in nursing homes. [23:52] DaemonFC[m] Phase 1b will be people over 65 in general. [23:52] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: It's up to the states, so it's a clusterfuck. [23:53] DaemonFC[m] In Florida, some counties are using Surveymonkey to set up vaccination appointments. [23:53] DaemonFC[m] Some are doing first come first serve, so a bunch of elderly people sit waiting on lawn chairs. [23:53] DaemonFC[m] In one case, the people at the clinic told a bunch waiting to go home and then used the remaining doses on friends and family members they called. [23:54] schestowitz I'm putting ii on our ipfs node [23:54] schestowitz $ make [23:54] schestowitz cc -c -o ii.o ii.c -Os -I. -I/usr/include -DVERSION=\"1.8\" -std=c99 -D_DEFAULT_SOURCE [23:54] schestowitz cc -c -o strlcpy.o strlcpy.c -Os -I. -I/usr/include -DVERSION=\"1.8\" -std=c99 -D_DEFAULT_SOURCE [23:54] schestowitz cc -o ii ii.o strlcpy.o -s [23:54] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: but does that vaccine work? [23:54] schestowitz I am looking for statistical data [23:54] schestowitz evidence that it reduces mortality [23:55] schestowitz even after 1st/2nd dosage [23:55] schestowitz I see many sales [23:55] schestowitz I see "happy stories" [23:55] schestowitz but I see no independent data on this [23:55] schestowitz at all [23:57] DaemonFC[m] If there's any data, I'm not seeing it. [23:57] DaemonFC[m] You'd think there'd be plenty now like "No new cases in the nursing homes where we've vaccinated so far.". [23:58] DaemonFC[m] Or "A 90% reduction.". [23:58] DaemonFC[m] Something. [23:58] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-lawyers-dershowitz-giuliani/index.html [23:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trump considering Giuliani and Dershowitz for impeachment defense team - CNNPolitics [23:58] schestowitz two a-holes [23:59] schestowitz we need rudyleaks