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| cybrNaut | https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/wxqemy/this-script-sends-junk-data-to-ohios-website-for-snitching-on-workers | May 09 00:24 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Is that even legal? | May 09 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Generally the government frowns on launching cyberattacks on the government. | May 09 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government also generally disapproves of lying to the government. | May 09 02:49 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: its most likely not legal. But in this case its not legal for the government to be assisting a party to have a person work in a unsafe environment as well. I know 2 wrongs don't make a right. But its gets really hard to win in court when you are also in the wrong. | May 09 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No it's not. | May 09 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can have all of the justice, or revenge, that you can afford. | May 09 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Please note government are not just looking to win the case in court they are looking at the public option so they get elected. So they posecute people for doing this illegal the news picks it up and starts making the government out as assisting slave trade.... | May 09 02:59 |
| oiaohm | So you can have unlimited money win in the ruling in court and still lose long term. | May 09 02:59 |
| oiaohm | So going to court is nicely doubled sided for a government when they are in the wrong. | May 09 03:00 |
| oiaohm | It would be a different case of ohios website for snitching on workers was also for snitching out employers who were not providing up to standard covid-19 safety procedures as well. | May 09 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | cybrNaut: good | May 09 04:57 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi folks, | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > as I mentioned in an e-mail earlier this week | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > ( https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2020-05/msg00008.html ) | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > SUSE and openSUSE are carving out remaining IT assets from Micro Focus | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > this spring. | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > This includes identity management (= user accounts). | May 09 06:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.opensuse.org | [opensuse-project] Bugzilla migration (bugzilla.opensuse.org and bugzill | May 09 06:49 | |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > The existing system that you likely have been using is split into | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > two distinct systems (and hence accounts): | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > (1) One for openSUSE infrastructure and SUSE's development tools, | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > think Bugzilla, Build Service (OBS), openSUSE Wiki,... | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > (2) And one for SUSE's customers and partners, think SUSE Customer | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > Center (SCC), Partner Portal,... | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | > Ad (1): Details on the transition for Bugzilla and other openSUSE | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > systems are available at https://idp-portal-info.suse.com. | May 09 06:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-idp-portal-info.suse.com | Community Account Migration | May 09 06:50 | |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > That page is going to be updated regularly -> a good bookmark. | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > Different services migrate one by one over the coming weeks, so be | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > prepared to still use your "old" account in some places during that | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > transition. | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > Ad (2): If you have received an e-mail with the subject "New SUSE User | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > Accounts - partners and customers" and all you care is openSUSE or the | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > tools mentioned above, you probably can ignore that (unless you also | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > are a SUSE customer or are interested in some of SUSE's other programs | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > such as the SUSE Developer Program). | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > https://xkcd.com/730/ :-> | May 09 06:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Circuit Diagram | May 09 06:50 | |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > Gerald | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | Re: Another coup in progress? | May 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | > Reddit-- where all the backstabbers go to rally minions for their takeover of GNU. | May 09 06:51 |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 06:51 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/gf8rmc/the_better_option_is_to_stop_requiring_copyright/ | May 09 06:51 |
| schestowitz | Conde Nast | May 09 06:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | "The better option is to stop requiring copyright paperwork. It is harmful to the Emacs project." : emacs | May 09 06:51 | |
| kingoffrance | that comment is amazing "Mailing list works for linux kernel where majority of contributors are paid for their work" --- i always hear mailing lists dont work for "real" projects only "hobbies" | May 09 07:08 |
| kingoffrance | and nowadays some people argue the direct opposite: everyone should move off of mailing lists because they are only for "toy" projects | May 09 07:09 |
| kingoffrance | separate worlds | May 09 07:09 |
| kingoffrance | people seem to inhabit | May 09 07:09 |
| schestowitz | update on WSL: | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > Yeah he got back to me (screenshot attached). What’s interesting is that | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > he's referring to an article that’s a year old and that he didn’t know | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > it existed previously, hence why he didn’t provide it earlier. Something | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > to remember about Microsoft is that they’ll only report on actual KPIs | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > if they indicate a position of strength and growth while dodging them | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > and reporting more ambiguous/made up metrics, bad data, etc instead when | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > KPIs indicate a weak position, stagnation, loss, etc etc. They kind of | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > leverage statistics like a squid deploying its ink, for confusion rather | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > than illumination. | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > That said, if WSL had seen steady growth since the 3.5 million reported | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > MAU in May of 2019, then Microsoft would be posting WSL MAU now. | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > Instead, they’re protecting these metrics with future promises which | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > seemingly evaporated; Hayden has since even blocked me even though I was | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > kind with him. And when asked to provide them earlier today in response | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > to your article, Microsoft then tried to deflect further and resort to | May 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | > ad hominem by insisting that the 150k number is absurd and later | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | > provided data from a year ago. | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | > This tells me that WSL adoption has stagnated and that usership may have | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | > even diminished. Whether their MAU has trickled down to 150k is beyond | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | > me, but I highly doubt that they’re seeing 3.5 million monthly active | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | > users at present. If they could report growth, they would be rubbing it | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | > in our faces. Since they can’t, they’re trying to attack | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | > character/validity of the argument rather than throwing their dick on | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | > the table. | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, but let me make several points: | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | 1. it's noteworthy Hayden blocked you | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | 2. Hayden trolled us in IRC before | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | 3. Yesterday "WSL user" trolled us again in IRC | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | More to the point | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | 1. WSL is NOT WSL2 | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | 2. WSL does NOT have Linux | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | 3. The numbers they cite are from a Microsoft employee | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | 4. It took him days to respond | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | The evasion suggests the WSL2 numbers are CORRECT. | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | So now they speak about old data of WSL. | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | WSL is NOT Linux. | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | See http://techrights.org/2019/02/16/wsl-is-windows/ | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | I could go on and on, but... | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | key point: they did NOT refuse what I had published. They're changing the subject. And they throw insults at me in IRC to discourage further analysis. | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | My suggestion is, ask him about WSL2. Keep on topic. Until he admits the deflection. :-) (he never will) | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | we have former MS staff pressuring current ones now | May 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | (they know there are lies out and about) | May 09 07:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | WSL is a Misleading Acronym/Name Because There’s No Linux in It, It’s Just Windows | Techrights | May 09 07:18 | |
| schestowitz | > key point: they did NOT refuse what I had published. | May 09 07:21 |
| schestowitz | Refute | May 09 07:21 |
| scientes | schestowitz, TBH, WSL actually implements the Linux ABI | May 09 07:23 |
| scientes | and linux syscalls | May 09 07:23 |
| schestowitz | WSL1? | May 09 07:23 |
| scientes | its more like BSD's linux emulation | May 09 07:23 |
| scientes | and windows itsself IIRC was actually based on a BSD mirokernel that then had a win32 abstraction on top | May 09 07:24 |
| scientes | but I really don't give a shit about that because it ain't free software | May 09 07:24 |
| scientes | FreeBSD had a 2.6.16 Linux emulation IIRC, which was later abandoned | May 09 07:24 |
| kingoffrance | IIRC the called it the linuxulator, i think it was "redirect syscalls to use freebsd stuff" so they would stress it was not an "emulator" but i have no idea how true that is anymore | May 09 07:27 |
| scientes | kingoffrance, glibc only supports 2.6.32+ (and only on x86_64) so i think the point is moot | May 09 07:27 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, i was trying to avoid "emulation" confusion since IIRC they used to always avoid that term | May 09 07:28 |
| kingoffrance | but again, no idea how it is now | May 09 07:28 |
| scientes | I think you just have to recompile | May 09 07:29 |
| oiaohm | Wine refers to what Freebsd had in Linux and what it as under the term compatibility layer. | May 09 08:04 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibility_layer Cleaner meaning than saying emulator. | May 09 08:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Compatibility layer - Wikipedia | May 09 08:05 | |
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| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/05/07/microsoft-wsl-evasion/#comments | May 09 08:25 |
| schestowitz | Comment: | May 09 08:25 |
| schestowitz | Here is why I believe that WSL even exists: | May 09 08:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s WSL Program Manager Admits WSL Adoption Level Has Been Absurdly Low | Techrights | May 09 08:25 | |
| schestowitz | 1. Developer uses WSL because it is "convenient". (addictively sweet, the first hit is free, etc) | May 09 08:25 |
| schestowitz | 2. Come deployment time, the application doesn't work on REAL Linux. | May 09 08:25 |
| schestowitz | 3. Manager decides, if it runs on WSL, then let's just deploy on WSL in production. Problem solved. Call it a day. | May 09 08:25 |
| schestowitz | 4. Decision is made to permanently host the application on WSL, eg, Windows in Linux clothing. | May 09 08:25 |
| schestowitz | Is it any wonder that a savvy developer would avoid using WSL. I don't want something to break on production that works in development and testing. | May 09 08:25 |
| schestowitz | In fact, if I'm developing FOR Linux, I'd rather develop ON Linux, including development tools. | May 09 08:26 |
| schestowitz | | | May 09 08:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: | May 09 08:37 |
| schestowitz | > mincer: "tyrants and wannabe tyrants deserve more rudeness than we could ever muster" | May 09 08:37 |
| schestowitz | > | May 09 08:37 |
| schestowitz | > so true | May 09 08:37 |
| schestowitz | I'll tell him... | May 09 08:37 |
| insmodppa | https://www.forbes.com/sites/barrycollins/2020/05/09/microsoft-warns-surface-laptop-owners-your-screen-might-crack/ | May 09 08:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Microsoft Warns Surface Laptop Owners: Your Screen Might Crack | May 09 08:47 | |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: if you send us bank details, please... we'll pay you for your time (pm) | May 09 08:53 |
| schestowitz | insmodppa: tell me something new ;-) | May 09 08:54 |
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| schestowitz | https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finnish-developed_open-source_coronavirus_vaccine_nearly_ready_for_testing/11342151 | May 09 10:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Finnish-developed, open-source coronavirus vaccine nearly ready for testing | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi | May 09 10:32 | |
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| schestowitz | The https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/648784/IPOL_STU(2020)648784_EN.pdf link might be pure BS and maybe should not be among the regular links."" | May 09 10:45 |
| schestowitz | "Future Candy"? | May 09 10:46 |
| schestowitz | wth? | May 09 10:46 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, just had another shaurma. Not bad. | May 09 12:05 |
| scientes | had more flavor this time | May 09 12:06 |
| scientes | and the flavor is real | May 09 12:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/05/09/free-software-as-basic-commodity/ When People Realise Food and Medicine Exceed in Importance (Essentiality) Luxury and Travel Expenditure They Will Come to Accept Free Software as Basic Commodity | May 09 12:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When People Realise Food and Medicine Exceed in Importance (Essentiality) Luxury and Travel Expenditure They Will Come to Accept Free Software as Basic Commodity | Techrights | May 09 12:47 | |
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| scientes | > Rhetoric about the need for NTP — nauchno-tekhnicheskii progress (scientific and technological progress) — came to nothing. In practice, this boiled down to copying Western technologies and producing the most advanced missiles instead of the most advanced shoes and the best guns instead of butter. | May 09 13:09 |
| scientes | hehehehehe | May 09 13:09 |
| oiaohm | when you wrote NTP I was thinking the time server. | May 09 13:10 |
| oiaohm | It kind of makes sense when you see correct time is required for good missile targeting and the like. | May 09 13:12 |
| scientes | what the hell is with this nostalgia https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/05/07/did-gorbachev-want-to-destroy-the-ussr-could-the-soviet-union-still-exist-today-might-putinism-end-in-reforms | May 09 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | May 09 13:14 | |
| scientes | you have to be crazy to want to bring the USSR back | May 09 13:15 |
| scientes | or at least crazy to say so | May 09 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Really there was a lot of things the old USSR did right. | May 09 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Of course along side a hell load that they did wrong. | May 09 13:15 |
| scientes | oiaohm, yes, but it is about as crazy as saying that the USA's golden age isn't over | May 09 13:16 |
| schestowitz | lol | May 09 13:16 |
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| smnthermes | > MinceR Wrote: | May 09 13:51 |
| smnthermes | > pureos comes with gnome, so i'll pass | May 09 13:51 |
| smnthermes | GNOME is fine for phones, I guess | May 09 13:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1259028783790731264 | May 09 14:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @DavidGilmore3 @schestowitz There is no demonstrated market failure. Patentism is a religion. | May 09 14:08 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: true | May 09 14:09 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/real-microsoft.jpg | May 09 14:12 |
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| smnthermes | > SPITe discussion group | May 09 14:14 |
| smnthermes | > 𝐒ecurity 𝐏rivacy 𝐈nternet 𝐓echnology 𝐄nthusiasts | May 09 14:14 |
| smnthermes | > In spite of all the security and privacy oriented rooms permeating factually incorrect echo chambers, the birth of Spite arises. | May 09 14:14 |
| smnthermes | > A Matrix/TG room/group created by madaidan. | May 09 14:14 |
| smnthermes | > - TG: t.me/spitetech | May 09 14:14 |
| smnthermes | > - Matrix: #spite:matrix.org | May 09 14:14 |
| smnthermes | 🤔 | May 09 14:14 |
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| MinceR | 09 145126 < smnthermes> GNOME is fine for phones, I guess | May 09 15:18 |
| MinceR | android is better | May 09 15:18 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: for who? Google? | May 09 15:55 |
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| MinceR | for the user | May 09 15:55 |
| MinceR | the UI is not a copy of macOS and thus isn't as dumbed down | May 09 15:56 |
| MinceR | it doesn't depend on cancerd | May 09 15:56 |
| MinceR | it probably won't even ship poetteringaudio, ever | May 09 15:56 |
| MinceR | so mozilla can suck it too | May 09 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | Android is also dumbed down | May 09 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Mozila Firefox too | May 09 16:08 |
| schestowitz | with their "nothingburger" for a "menu" | May 09 16:08 |
| schestowitz | instead of a proper menu with actually useful stuff in it | May 09 16:08 |
| schestowitz | they force a mobile-like UI on desktop users (useds) | May 09 16:08 |
| MinceR | yes, but not nearly as much as gnome | May 09 16:12 |
| MinceR | i like the hamburger menu, it avoids wasting space on screen | May 09 16:12 |
| MinceR | though i prefer the gimp/risc os approach | May 09 16:12 |
| MinceR | just right click for the menu | May 09 16:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I would not be too sure on that pulseaudio one and android. Thinking android applications running on chromeos are in fact using pulseaudio instead of android audioflinger | May 09 16:18 |
| MinceR | :( | May 09 16:18 |
| MinceR | well, at least android isn't as bad _yet_ as gnome OS | May 09 16:19 |
| oiaohm | It would be horrible if android moves to pulseaudio at the same time everything else linux desktop is moving to pipewire. | May 09 16:19 |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways I cannot wait for pipewire to be able to replace pulseaudio. | May 09 16:20 |
| *XRevan86 is puzzled by MinceR's bias in favour of Google. | May 09 16:21 | |
| XRevan86 | Android is the closest Linux has ever gotten to a silo. | May 09 16:21 |
| XRevan86 | But systemd and PulseAudio are somehow worse? | May 09 16:21 |
| MinceR | no, gnome OS is the closest Linux has ever gotten to a silo | May 09 16:23 |
| MinceR | and it was forced on GNU/Linux users by entryism | May 09 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | Android is unforkable, GNOME has been forked two times already. | May 09 16:25 |
| scientes | Android is a piece of shit | May 09 16:30 |
| scientes | it was all about shipping fast | May 09 16:30 |
| scientes | and they DID do some things that needed to be done | May 09 16:30 |
| MinceR | i thought android was forked a few times already | May 09 16:30 |
| scientes | but they made so many HORRIBLE decisions to get there fast | May 09 16:30 |
| MinceR | as for gnome, it's all about locking users in | May 09 16:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Right, because forks that cannot live independently is the same thing. | May 09 16:31 |
| scientes | My phone calls the SD card internal storage | May 09 16:31 |
| scientes | and the internal store the SD card | May 09 16:31 |
| XRevan86 | It's like arguing that Firefox is easy to fork, because Pale Moon did it, also twice. | May 09 16:31 |
| scientes | Android is friggen insane | May 09 16:31 |
| XRevan86 | and there's Waterfox | May 09 16:31 |
| XRevan86 | so many forks, marvelous | May 09 16:31 |
| scientes | XRevan86, have you ever looked at Firefox code? | May 09 16:31 |
| MinceR | it's not as insane as gnome OS | May 09 16:31 |
| scientes | the old stuff is so friggen old | May 09 16:31 |
| scientes | it is pre-C89 | May 09 16:32 |
| scientes | nah, I think it is C89 | May 09 16:32 |
| scientes | but things like NSBool | May 09 16:32 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I thought Firefox has always been on C++ | May 09 16:32 |
| scientes | hmm, yeah it clearly is | May 09 16:33 |
| scientes | but very early | May 09 16:33 |
| XRevan86 | I am not aware of what C++ looked like before 1998 though. | May 09 16:33 |
| scientes | and then now there is all the rust stuff | May 09 16:33 |
| scientes | so all this stuff is bolted together | May 09 16:33 |
| XRevan86 | Although it was based on Mosaic, which is C, so there had to be a transition from C to C++ at one point or another either way. | May 09 16:35 |
| scientes | like Firefox engineers complain about how chromium is such a more modern code base | May 09 16:35 |
| scientes | that said, Firefox has extreemely good engineers, and its way faster than chromium | May 09 16:35 |
| scientes | and they do amazing stuff, like rust and emscripen | May 09 16:35 |
| scientes | and wasm | May 09 16:35 |
| scientes | pushing CS forward | May 09 16:35 |
| scientes | or rather just pushing on people | May 09 16:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I'm not complaining, they're clearly capable of pushing this wagon forward. | May 09 16:36 |
| scientes | well they are also quite threatened | May 09 16:36 |
| XRevan86 | and I could've used Chromium as an example | May 09 16:36 |
| XRevan86 | it has many "forks" but no actual forks | May 09 16:36 |
| MinceR | 09 173525 < scientes> that said, Firefox has extreemely good engineers, and its way faster than chromium | May 09 16:36 |
| MinceR | what are they doing then? | May 09 16:36 |
| MinceR | because firefox is just getting worse and worse | May 09 16:36 |
| MinceR | and i doubt it took much "engineering" to weld Pocket into the browser, or to set things up so they don't build with ALSA support | May 09 16:37 |
| XRevan86 | You know, right now Firefox is the fastest it's been for me ever. | May 09 16:38 |
| scientes | and uses way less RAM than chrome | May 09 16:38 |
| XRevan86 | And I use 2012 hardware | May 09 16:38 |
| scientes | XRevan86, ahh yes, I got a new laptop | May 09 16:38 |
| XRevan86 | which is also a laptop | May 09 16:39 |
| scientes | although my touchscreen stopped working when i upgraded ubuntu | May 09 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | Not without sacrifices, but it has seen a lot of improvement. | May 09 16:40 |
| scientes | XRevan86, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TgX86fO5zY | May 09 16:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Im Sailing Away (Cyanide and Happiness Short Movie) - YouTube | May 09 16:42 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I admit I'm considering hiring a lawyer because their last name is Baal. | May 09 16:43 |
| MinceR | :) | May 09 16:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then I can say I sent Baal to deal with the credit card people. | May 09 16:44 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], you should hire a exorcist | May 09 16:44 |
| MinceR | unfortunately it won't be as effective as the real thing | May 09 16:44 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], #1 industry in the US: credit card debt collectors | May 09 16:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much. | May 09 16:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There is a meeting of creditors but it's mostly a formality at a bankruptcy hearing because it just costs them more money to send a lawyer there. | May 09 16:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you're doing a Chapter 7 and they don't think there's anything to take then they almost never actually show up. | May 09 16:46 |
| scientes | I did chapter 7 | May 09 16:46 |
| scientes | before I left the US | May 09 16:46 |
| scientes | also sued the dept. of education | May 09 16:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can show up and complain that there's some good reason why a particular debt should not be discharged. | May 09 16:46 |
| scientes | and the Minister of Education resigned because he felt the system was so horrible | May 09 16:46 |
| scientes | as it turns all young people into indentured servents | May 09 16:47 |
| scientes | it should be called the Ministry of Debt-slavery | May 09 16:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a 90 day presumed fraud window where the law just figures that any big purchases you made on the way out were done with the intention of not paying your bills. That's really the strongest legal protection they have. If you do file within 90 days of a large purchase or something then they are much more likely to show up. | May 09 16:47 |
| scientes | because you don't get an education in those places | May 09 16:47 |
| scientes | its all "safe spaces" and "microagressions" | May 09 16:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they can prove you were talking to a bankruptcy lawyer while you continued racking up debt with them, that's a big one. | May 09 16:48 |
| scientes | i didn't get a lawyer | May 09 16:48 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], it is really simple: you go into a room and they ask you a few questions in front of a voice recorder | May 09 16:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah? | May 09 16:49 |
| scientes | with other people firing bankruptcy | May 09 16:49 |
| scientes | *filing | May 09 16:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like why do you have all of this debt? | May 09 16:49 |
| scientes | nah | May 09 16:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Basically. | May 09 16:49 |
| XRevan86 | I'd really want an alternative to Mozilla though, but I'm not ready to pat Google or Apple on the back just yet. | May 09 16:49 |
| scientes | generally, do you have anything we can steal? | May 09 16:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Not unless you can repossess a crummy hotel room somehow." | May 09 16:49 |
| scientes | yeah, you are golden | May 09 16:50 |
| XRevan86 | Android and Chromium are not the salvation here. | May 09 16:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "I've got a bus pass." | May 09 16:50 |
| MinceR | yeah, i want an alternative to failfox and crashium and webkit as well | May 09 16:50 |
| MinceR | gnome OS is not the salvation either | May 09 16:50 |
| MinceR | it's malware | May 09 16:50 |
| scientes | MinceR, they are fine if you only use them to get data | May 09 16:51 |
| scientes | as they were designed | May 09 16:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | scientes: "I have two cats. I presume that you will send the cat hauler to my hotel room immediately. I heard a Wall Street trader say he got two cats for a dog one time. Not really sure what that means. Might be cocaine related.". | May 09 16:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Do you have anything we can take?" | May 09 16:52 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], pretty much | May 09 16:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, if you have a helicopter and a private military, you could like, totally help me break into Fort Knox. | May 09 16:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's basically to the point where there's nothing they could have. | May 09 16:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well past that point. | May 09 16:53 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], everything in the US has been stolen multiple times | May 09 16:53 |
| smnthermes | > XRevan86 Wrote: | May 09 16:53 |
| smnthermes | > It's like arguing that Firefox is easy to fork, because Pale Moon did it, also twice. | May 09 16:53 |
| smnthermes | You should inform yourself | May 09 16:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of my credit cards charged off and then immediately tried to start settling. | May 09 16:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They muse not think their chances are great. They offered to settle for about 15 cents on the dollar. | May 09 16:53 |
| *XRevan86 informs himself. | May 09 16:53 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | *must | May 09 16:53 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], just bankrupt that shit | May 09 16:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, absolutely. | May 09 16:54 |
| scientes | it is REALLY easy | May 09 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | smnthermes: What did I just inform myself about? | May 09 16:54 |
| scientes | and totally free | May 09 16:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you settle, they send a 1099-C and then you're fucked. | May 09 16:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Besides, there's so many that settling one costs me more than bankruptcy and does not solve the larger problem. | May 09 16:54 |
| scientes | also, I had to sue the dept. of education | May 09 16:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 1099-C basically goes..... Say you owe $10,000 and they take $1,500. | May 09 16:55 |
| scientes | because the laws now make everyone a slave | May 09 16:55 |
| scientes | SOOO glad a left that shit-hole | May 09 16:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're good with them, but the IRS says you just made $8,500 in taxabble income. | May 09 16:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then you owe the IRS income tax on it.....state too. | May 09 16:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then you have the government after you and they don't even need to take you to court or follow any rules. | May 09 16:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't pay them they just slap a tax lien on all your shit and take your pay checks. | May 09 16:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Social Security too! Which is protected from normal creditors. | May 09 16:56 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], except no-one in the US gets pay checks anymore | May 09 16:56 |
| scientes | there are no jobs | May 09 16:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, they have bigger problems than me. | May 09 16:56 |
| smnthermes | XRevan86: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=22270 | May 09 16:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.palemoon.org | How true/false are these allegations? - Pale Moon forum | May 09 16:57 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Which is why they're trying to settle some of those accounts for a song. | May 09 16:57 |
| scientes | its 1. back scratcher 2. debt collector, 3. back scratcher | May 09 16:57 |
| scientes | its like a train of back scratchers | May 09 16:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They know they're about to get spray painted with shit in a wave of defaults like nothing you've ever seen before. | May 09 16:57 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], or they could just declare a Jubilee | May 09 16:57 |
| scientes | and end the non-sense | May 09 16:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The bankruptcy courts will be so backed up that they wouldn't be able to send lawyers if they wanted to unless it's like something really egregious. | May 09 16:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The problem for them here is that they're about to be slapped with a record number of bankruptcies and if Congress changes the law before the election, they'll be voted out. | May 09 16:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I suspect now is the time. | May 09 16:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Congress might try to make it harder after the election. | May 09 16:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When it's too late to punish them for a while. | May 09 16:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even with the 2005 bankruptcy "reforms" (in other words.....they knew a recession would come in 2008....), the 2008 collapse triggered millions of household bankruptcies. | May 09 17:00 |
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| XRevan86 | smnthermes: I knew that it's not that extreme as these "allegations" | May 09 17:03 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, you have seen this right? https://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/1347513476.html | May 09 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigslist.org | best of craigslist: Bong Operations Engineer | May 09 17:25 | |
| scientes | hahahahahahaahahaha https://www.craigslist.org/about/best/ric/6881185958.html | May 09 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigslist.org | best of craigslist: **UPDATE** FOUND CAT - NEED OWNERS ASAP!! | May 09 17:28 | |
| scientes | (cat) | May 09 17:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I haven't | May 09 17:31 |
| scientes | > Twelve years experience with water-based pipes and clogged tubes | May 09 17:34 |
| MinceR | lol @ cat | May 09 17:37 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Updated Debian 10: 10.4 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137400 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5a60edd1-e75c-4529-8198-65b25a5f2664] | May 09 18:59 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Bison 3.6 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137406 [https://pleroma.site/objects/df0f6cf3-a3dc-46d7-82e4-49021199854c] | May 09 19:07 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Progress on Plasma http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137405 [https://pleroma.site/objects/415578d6-6457-46b5-856b-0942b4994f91] | May 09 19:11 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Elive 3.8.12 beta released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137407 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fd9d2383-cf1c-4db0-8436-6e2be9f7123e] | May 09 19:16 | |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/ndm85zK.mp4 | May 09 19:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: 10 years later: "Jesus is real, I saw a miracle in real life" | May 09 19:24 |
| MinceR | :> | May 09 19:24 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE Plasma Desktop 5.18.5 Released with 50+ Changes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137243#comment-25011 [https://pleroma.site/objects/93c12008-af11-4b8d-858e-729893e6ae73] | May 09 19:26 | |
| XRevan86 | "She's a witch!" is more probable of course. | May 09 19:26 |
| MinceR | burn the witch! | May 09 19:26 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137408 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e46b7499-48de-4a40-9fd8-87012ab73b55] | May 09 19:30 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat and IBM Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137409 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7afea0a5-03d8-406c-9352-628531f03b4c] | May 09 19:45 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Distros: Debian, SUSE and Slackware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137410 [https://pleroma.site/objects/01f88ee6-6c20-4dcb-8f11-8d7c3da3d2bf] | May 09 19:52 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Devices and Development http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137411 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0b410b0f-c73c-4188-91cf-f9181487d910] | May 09 19:54 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137412 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1fccb74c-93d9-4f4b-b67a-4c2de7facab1] | May 09 19:56 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 9/5/2020: Debian Stable Release (10.4), Bison 3.6 and Wine 5.8 http://techrights.org/2020/05/09/debian-stable-release-10-4/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/fadf784c-53d3-4996-ad63-db81e8e15fa8] | May 09 20:08 | |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/ai-3 | May 09 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - AI | May 09 21:17 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got off the phone with a bankruptcy attorney. | May 09 21:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Baal is a very nice person. | May 09 21:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She told me she could fix this entire debt problem very easily and that it's just not as bad as people ever think it is before they call and talk to a bankruptcy attorney. | May 09 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She said that a straight Chapter 7 should be easy because we aren't subject to the means test and it's credit cards and hospital bills and a couple of leases from Chicago from forever ago. | May 09 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not the government or student loans or anything that can get nasty or can't be discharged. | May 09 21:52 |
| MinceR | Baal got a female host? :> | May 09 22:32 |
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