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cybrNauthttps://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/wxqemy/this-script-sends-junk-data-to-ohios-website-for-snitching-on-workersMay 09 00:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This Script Sends Junk Data to Ohio’s Website for Snitching on Workers - VICEMay 09 00:24
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DaemonFC[m]Is that even legal?May 09 02:48
DaemonFC[m]Generally the government frowns on launching cyberattacks on the government.May 09 02:48
DaemonFC[m]The government also generally disapproves of lying to the government.May 09 02:49
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: its most likely not legal.   But in this case its not legal for the government to be assisting a party to have a person work in a unsafe environment as well.   I know 2 wrongs don't make a right.   But its gets really hard to win in court when you are also in the wrong.May 09 02:56
DaemonFC[m]No it's not.May 09 02:56
DaemonFC[m]You can have all of the justice, or revenge, that you can afford.May 09 02:57
oiaohmPlease note government are not just looking to win the case in court they are looking at the public option so they get elected.    So they posecute people for doing this illegal the news picks it up and starts making the government out as assisting slave trade....May 09 02:59
oiaohmSo you can have unlimited money win in the ruling in court and still lose long term.May 09 02:59
oiaohmSo going to court is nicely doubled sided for a government when they are in the wrong.May 09 03:00
oiaohmIt would be a different case of ohios website for snitching on workers was also for snitching out employers who were not providing up to standard covid-19 safety procedures as well.May 09 03:03
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schestowitzcybrNaut: goodMay 09 04:57
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schestowitz> Hi folks,May 09 06:49
schestowitz> May 09 06:49
schestowitz> as I mentioned in an e-mail earlier this weekMay 09 06:49
schestowitz> ( https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2020-05/msg00008.html )May 09 06:49
schestowitz> SUSE and openSUSE are carving out remaining IT assets from Micro Focus May 09 06:49
schestowitz> this spring.May 09 06:49
schestowitz> May 09 06:49
schestowitz> This includes identity management (= user accounts).May 09 06:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.opensuse.org | [opensuse-project] Bugzilla migration (bugzilla.opensuse.org and bugzillMay 09 06:49
schestowitz> May 09 06:49
schestowitz> The existing system that you likely have been using is split into May 09 06:49
schestowitz> two distinct systems (and hence accounts):May 09 06:49
schestowitz> May 09 06:49
schestowitz>  (1) One for openSUSE infrastructure and SUSE's development tools,May 09 06:49
schestowitz>      think Bugzilla, Build Service (OBS), openSUSE Wiki,...May 09 06:49
schestowitz> May 09 06:49
schestowitz>  (2) And one for SUSE's customers and partners, think SUSE Customer May 09 06:49
schestowitz>      Center (SCC), Partner Portal,...May 09 06:49
schestowitz> May 09 06:49
schestowitz> May 09 06:49
schestowitz> Ad (1): Details on the transition for Bugzilla and other openSUSE May 09 06:50
schestowitz> systems are available at https://idp-portal-info.suse.com. May 09 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-idp-portal-info.suse.com | Community Account MigrationMay 09 06:50
schestowitz> May 09 06:50
schestowitz> That page is going to be updated regularly -> a good bookmark.May 09 06:50
schestowitz> May 09 06:50
schestowitz> Different services migrate one by one over the coming weeks, so be May 09 06:50
schestowitz> prepared to still use your "old" account in some places during that May 09 06:50
schestowitz> transition.May 09 06:50
schestowitz> May 09 06:50
schestowitz> May 09 06:50
schestowitz> Ad (2): If you have received an e-mail with the subject "New SUSE User May 09 06:50
schestowitz> Accounts - partners and customers" and all you care is openSUSE or theMay 09 06:50
schestowitz> tools mentioned above, you probably can ignore that (unless you also May 09 06:50
schestowitz> are a SUSE customer or are interested in some of SUSE's other programs May 09 06:50
schestowitz> such as the SUSE Developer Program). May 09 06:50
schestowitz> May 09 06:50
schestowitz> May 09 06:50
schestowitz> https://xkcd.com/730/  :->May 09 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Circuit DiagramMay 09 06:50
schestowitz> May 09 06:50
schestowitz> GeraldMay 09 06:50
schestowitzRe: Another coup in progress?May 09 06:50
schestowitz> Reddit-- where all the backstabbers go to rally minions for their takeover of GNU.May 09 06:51
schestowitz> May 09 06:51
schestowitz> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/gf8rmc/the_better_option_is_to_stop_requiring_copyright/May 09 06:51
schestowitzConde NastMay 09 06:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | "The better option is to stop requiring copyright paperwork. It is harmful to the Emacs project." : emacsMay 09 06:51
kingoffrancethat comment is amazing "Mailing list works for linux kernel where majority of contributors are paid for their work"  --- i always hear mailing lists dont work for "real" projects only "hobbies"May 09 07:08
kingoffranceand nowadays some people argue the direct opposite: everyone should move off of mailing lists because they are only for "toy" projectsMay 09 07:09
kingoffranceseparate worlds May 09 07:09
kingoffrancepeople seem to inhabitMay 09 07:09
schestowitzupdate on WSL:May 09 07:17
schestowitz> Yeah he got back to me (screenshot attached). What’s interesting is thatMay 09 07:17
schestowitz> he's referring to an article that’s a year old and that he didn’t knowMay 09 07:17
schestowitz> it existed previously, hence why he didn’t provide it earlier. SomethingMay 09 07:17
schestowitz> to remember about Microsoft is that they’ll only report on actual KPIsMay 09 07:17
schestowitz> if they indicate a position of strength and growth while dodging themMay 09 07:17
schestowitz> and reporting more ambiguous/made up metrics, bad data, etc instead whenMay 09 07:17
schestowitz> KPIs indicate a weak position, stagnation, loss, etc etc. They kind ofMay 09 07:17
schestowitz> leverage statistics like a squid deploying its ink, for confusion ratherMay 09 07:17
schestowitz> than illumination. May 09 07:17
schestowitz> May 09 07:17
schestowitz> That said, if WSL had seen steady growth since the 3.5 million reportedMay 09 07:17
schestowitz> MAU in May of 2019, then Microsoft would be posting WSL MAU now.May 09 07:17
schestowitz> Instead, they’re protecting these metrics with future promises whichMay 09 07:17
schestowitz> seemingly evaporated; Hayden has since even blocked me even though I wasMay 09 07:17
schestowitz> kind with him. And when asked to provide them earlier today in responseMay 09 07:17
schestowitz> to your article, Microsoft then tried to deflect further and resort toMay 09 07:17
schestowitz> ad hominem by insisting that the 150k number is absurd and laterMay 09 07:18
schestowitz> provided data from a year ago.May 09 07:18
schestowitz> May 09 07:18
schestowitz> This tells me that WSL adoption has stagnated and that usership may haveMay 09 07:18
schestowitz> even diminished. Whether their MAU has trickled down to 150k is beyondMay 09 07:18
schestowitz> me, but I highly doubt that they’re seeing 3.5 million monthly activeMay 09 07:18
schestowitz> users at present. If they could report growth, they would be rubbing itMay 09 07:18
schestowitz> in our faces. Since they can’t, they’re trying to attackMay 09 07:18
schestowitz> character/validity of the argument rather than throwing their dick onMay 09 07:18
schestowitz> the table.May 09 07:18
schestowitzThanks, but let me make several points:May 09 07:18
schestowitz1. it's noteworthy Hayden blocked youMay 09 07:18
schestowitz2. Hayden trolled us in IRC beforeMay 09 07:18
schestowitz3. Yesterday "WSL user" trolled us again in IRCMay 09 07:18
schestowitzMore to the pointMay 09 07:18
schestowitz1. WSL is NOT WSL2May 09 07:18
schestowitz2. WSL does NOT have LinuxMay 09 07:18
schestowitz3. The numbers they cite are from a Microsoft employeeMay 09 07:18
schestowitz4. It took him days to respondMay 09 07:18
schestowitzThe evasion suggests the WSL2 numbers are CORRECT.May 09 07:18
schestowitzSo now they speak about old data of WSL.May 09 07:18
schestowitzWSL is NOT Linux.May 09 07:18
schestowitzSee http://techrights.org/2019/02/16/wsl-is-windows/May 09 07:18
schestowitzI could go on and on, but...May 09 07:18
schestowitzkey point: they did NOT refuse what I had published. They're changing the subject. And they throw insults at me in IRC to discourage further analysis.May 09 07:18
schestowitzMy suggestion is, ask him about WSL2. Keep on topic. Until he admits the deflection. :-) (he never will)May 09 07:18
schestowitzwe have former MS staff pressuring current ones nowMay 09 07:18
schestowitz(they know there are lies out and about)May 09 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | WSL is a Misleading Acronym/Name Because There’s No Linux in It, It’s Just Windows | TechrightsMay 09 07:18
schestowitz> key point: they did NOT refuse what I had published.May 09 07:21
schestowitzRefuteMay 09 07:21
scientesschestowitz, TBH, WSL actually implements the Linux ABIMay 09 07:23
scientesand linux syscallsMay 09 07:23
schestowitzWSL1?May 09 07:23
scientesits more like BSD's linux emulationMay 09 07:23
scientesand windows itsself IIRC was actually based on a BSD mirokernel that then had a win32 abstraction on topMay 09 07:24
scientesbut I really don't give a shit about that because it ain't free softwareMay 09 07:24
scientesFreeBSD had a 2.6.16 Linux emulation IIRC, which was later abandonedMay 09 07:24
kingoffranceIIRC the called it the linuxulator, i think it was "redirect syscalls to use freebsd stuff" so they would stress it was not an "emulator" but i have no idea how true that is anymoreMay 09 07:27
scienteskingoffrance, glibc only supports 2.6.32+ (and only on x86_64) so i think the point is mootMay 09 07:27
kingoffranceyeah, i was trying to avoid "emulation" confusion since IIRC they used to always avoid that termMay 09 07:28
kingoffrancebut again, no idea how it is nowMay 09 07:28
scientesI think you just have to recompileMay 09 07:29
oiaohmWine refers to what Freebsd had in Linux  and what it as under the term compatibility layer.May 09 08:04
oiaohmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibility_layer   Cleaner meaning than saying emulator.May 09 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Compatibility layer - WikipediaMay 09 08:05
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schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/05/07/microsoft-wsl-evasion/#commentsMay 09 08:25
schestowitzComment: May 09 08:25
schestowitzHere is why I believe that WSL even exists:May 09 08:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s WSL Program Manager Admits WSL Adoption Level Has Been Absurdly Low | TechrightsMay 09 08:25
schestowitz1. Developer uses WSL because it is "convenient".  (addictively sweet, the first hit is free, etc)May 09 08:25
schestowitz2. Come deployment time, the application doesn't work on REAL Linux.May 09 08:25
schestowitz3. Manager decides, if it runs on WSL, then let's just deploy on WSL in production.  Problem solved.  Call it a day.May 09 08:25
schestowitz4. Decision is made to permanently host the application on WSL, eg, Windows in Linux clothing.May 09 08:25
schestowitzIs it any wonder that a savvy developer would avoid using WSL.  I don't want something to break on production that works in development and testing.May 09 08:25
schestowitzIn fact, if I'm developing FOR Linux, I'd rather develop ON Linux, including development tools.May 09 08:26
schestowitz|May 09 08:26
schestowitzMinceR: May 09 08:37
schestowitz> mincer: "tyrants and wannabe tyrants deserve more rudeness than we could ever muster"May 09 08:37
schestowitz> May 09 08:37
schestowitz> so trueMay 09 08:37
schestowitzI'll tell him...May 09 08:37
insmodppahttps://www.forbes.com/sites/barrycollins/2020/05/09/microsoft-warns-surface-laptop-owners-your-screen-might-crack/May 09 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Microsoft Warns Surface Laptop Owners: Your Screen Might CrackMay 09 08:47
schestowitzAriadne: if you send us bank details, please... we'll pay you for your time (pm)May 09 08:53
schestowitzinsmodppa: tell me something new ;-)May 09 08:54
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schestowitzhttps://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finnish-developed_open-source_coronavirus_vaccine_nearly_ready_for_testing/11342151May 09 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Finnish-developed, open-source coronavirus vaccine nearly ready for testing | Yle Uutiset | yle.fiMay 09 10:32
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schestowitzThe https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/648784/IPOL_STU(2020)648784_EN.pdf link might be pure BS and maybe should not be among the regular links.""May 09 10:45
schestowitz"Future Candy"?May 09 10:46
schestowitzwth?May 09 10:46
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scientesXRevan86, just had another shaurma. Not bad.May 09 12:05
scienteshad more flavor this timeMay 09 12:06
scientesand the flavor is realMay 09 12:06
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schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/05/09/free-software-as-basic-commodity/ When People Realise Food and Medicine Exceed in Importance (Essentiality) Luxury and Travel Expenditure They Will Come to Accept Free Software as Basic CommodityMay 09 12:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When People Realise Food and Medicine Exceed in Importance (Essentiality) Luxury and Travel Expenditure They Will Come to Accept Free Software as Basic Commodity | TechrightsMay 09 12:47
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scientes> Rhetoric about the need for NTP — nauchno-tekhnicheskii progress (scientific and technological progress) — came to nothing. In practice, this boiled down to copying Western technologies and producing the most advanced missiles instead of the most advanced shoes and the best guns instead of butter. May 09 13:09
scientesheheheheheMay 09 13:09
oiaohmwhen you wrote NTP I was thinking the time server.May 09 13:10
oiaohmIt kind of makes sense when you see correct time is required for good missile targeting and the like.May 09 13:12
scienteswhat the hell is with this nostalgia https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/05/07/did-gorbachev-want-to-destroy-the-ussr-could-the-soviet-union-still-exist-today-might-putinism-end-in-reformsMay 09 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLEMay 09 13:14
scientesyou have to be crazy to want to bring the USSR backMay 09 13:15
scientesor at least crazy to say soMay 09 13:15
oiaohmReally there was a lot of things the old USSR did right.May 09 13:15
oiaohmOf course along side a hell load that they did wrong.May 09 13:15
scientesoiaohm, yes, but it is about as crazy as saying that the USA's golden age isn't overMay 09 13:16
schestowitzlolMay 09 13:16
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smnthermes> MinceR Wrote:May 09 13:51
smnthermes> pureos comes with gnome, so i'll passMay 09 13:51
smnthermesGNOME is fine for phones, I guessMay 09 13:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1259028783790731264May 09 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @DavidGilmore3 @schestowitz There is no demonstrated market failure. Patentism is a religion.May 09 14:08
schestowitzzoobab: trueMay 09 14:09
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smnthermes> SPITe discussion groupMay 09 14:14
smnthermes> 𝐒ecurity 𝐏rivacy 𝐈nternet 𝐓echnology 𝐄nthusiastsMay 09 14:14
smnthermes> In spite of all the security and privacy oriented rooms permeating factually incorrect echo chambers, the birth of Spite arises.May 09 14:14
smnthermes> A Matrix/TG room/group created by madaidan.May 09 14:14
smnthermes> - TG: t.me/spitetechMay 09 14:14
smnthermes>  - Matrix: #spite:matrix.orgMay 09 14:14
smnthermes🤔May 09 14:14
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MinceR09 145126 < smnthermes> GNOME is fine for phones, I guessMay 09 15:18
MinceRandroid is betterMay 09 15:18
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schestowitzMinceR: for who? Google?May 09 15:55
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MinceRfor the userMay 09 15:55
MinceRthe UI is not a copy of macOS and thus isn't as dumbed downMay 09 15:56
MinceRit doesn't depend on cancerdMay 09 15:56
MinceRit probably won't even ship poetteringaudio, everMay 09 15:56
MinceRso mozilla can suck it tooMay 09 15:56
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schestowitzAndroid is also dumbed downMay 09 16:07
schestowitzMozila Firefox tooMay 09 16:08
schestowitzwith their "nothingburger" for a "menu"May 09 16:08
schestowitzinstead of a proper menu with actually useful stuff in itMay 09 16:08
schestowitzthey force a mobile-like UI on desktop users (useds)May 09 16:08
MinceRyes, but not nearly as much as gnomeMay 09 16:12
MinceRi like the hamburger menu, it avoids wasting space on screenMay 09 16:12
MinceRthough i prefer the gimp/risc os approachMay 09 16:12
MinceRjust right click for the menuMay 09 16:12
oiaohmMinceR: I would not be too sure on that pulseaudio one and android.  Thinking android applications running on chromeos are in fact using pulseaudio instead of android audioflingerMay 09 16:18
MinceR:(May 09 16:18
MinceRwell, at least android isn't as bad _yet_ as gnome OSMay 09 16:19
oiaohmIt would be horrible if android moves to pulseaudio at the same time everything else linux desktop is moving to pipewire.May 09 16:19
oiaohmLot of ways I cannot wait for pipewire to be able to replace pulseaudio.May 09 16:20
*XRevan86 is puzzled by MinceR's bias in favour of Google.May 09 16:21
XRevan86Android is the closest Linux has ever gotten to a silo.May 09 16:21
XRevan86But systemd and PulseAudio are somehow worse?May 09 16:21
MinceRno, gnome OS is the closest Linux has ever gotten to a siloMay 09 16:23
MinceRand it was forced on GNU/Linux users by entryismMay 09 16:23
XRevan86Android is unforkable, GNOME has been forked two times already.May 09 16:25
scientesAndroid is a piece of shitMay 09 16:30
scientesit was all about shipping fastMay 09 16:30
scientesand they DID do some things that needed to be doneMay 09 16:30
MinceRi thought android was forked a few times alreadyMay 09 16:30
scientesbut they made so many HORRIBLE decisions to get there fastMay 09 16:30
MinceRas for gnome, it's all about locking users inMay 09 16:31
XRevan86MinceR: Right, because forks that cannot live independently is the same thing.May 09 16:31
scientesMy phone calls the SD card internal storageMay 09 16:31
scientesand the internal store the SD cardMay 09 16:31
XRevan86It's like arguing that Firefox is easy to fork, because Pale Moon did it, also twice.May 09 16:31
scientesAndroid is friggen insaneMay 09 16:31
XRevan86and there's WaterfoxMay 09 16:31
XRevan86so many forks, marvelousMay 09 16:31
scientesXRevan86, have you ever looked at Firefox code?May 09 16:31
MinceRit's not as insane as gnome OSMay 09 16:31
scientesthe old stuff is so friggen oldMay 09 16:31
scientesit is pre-C89May 09 16:32
scientesnah, I think it is C89May 09 16:32
scientesbut things like NSBoolMay 09 16:32
XRevan86scientes: I thought Firefox has always been on C++May 09 16:32
scienteshmm, yeah it clearly isMay 09 16:33
scientesbut very earlyMay 09 16:33
XRevan86I am not aware of what C++ looked like before 1998 though.May 09 16:33
scientesand then now there is all the rust stuffMay 09 16:33
scientesso all this stuff is bolted togetherMay 09 16:33
XRevan86Although it was based on Mosaic, which is C, so there had to be a transition from C to C++ at one point or another either way.May 09 16:35
scienteslike Firefox engineers complain about how chromium is such a more modern code baseMay 09 16:35
scientesthat said, Firefox has extreemely good engineers, and its way faster than chromiumMay 09 16:35
scientesand they do amazing stuff, like rust and emscripenMay 09 16:35
scientesand wasmMay 09 16:35
scientespushing CS forwardMay 09 16:35
scientesor rather just pushing on peopleMay 09 16:36
XRevan86scientes: I'm not complaining, they're clearly capable of pushing this wagon forward.May 09 16:36
scienteswell they are also quite threatenedMay 09 16:36
XRevan86and I could've used Chromium as an exampleMay 09 16:36
XRevan86it has many "forks" but no actual forksMay 09 16:36
MinceR09 173525 < scientes> that said, Firefox has extreemely good engineers, and its way faster than chromiumMay 09 16:36
MinceRwhat are they doing then?May 09 16:36
MinceRbecause firefox is just getting worse and worseMay 09 16:36
MinceRand i doubt it took much "engineering" to weld Pocket into the browser, or to set things up so they don't build with ALSA supportMay 09 16:37
XRevan86You know, right now Firefox is the fastest it's been for me ever.May 09 16:38
scientesand uses way less RAM than chromeMay 09 16:38
XRevan86And I use 2012 hardwareMay 09 16:38
scientesXRevan86, ahh yes, I got a new laptopMay 09 16:38
XRevan86which is also a laptopMay 09 16:39
scientesalthough my touchscreen stopped working when i upgraded ubuntuMay 09 16:39
XRevan86Not without sacrifices, but it has seen a lot of improvement.May 09 16:40
scientesXRevan86, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TgX86fO5zYMay 09 16:42
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I admit I'm considering hiring a lawyer because their last name is Baal. May 09 16:43
MinceR:)May 09 16:44
DaemonFC[m]Then I can say I sent Baal to deal with the credit card people.May 09 16:44
scientesDaemonFC[m], you should hire a exorcistMay 09 16:44
MinceRunfortunately it won't be as effective as the real thingMay 09 16:44
scientesDaemonFC[m], #1 industry in the US: credit card debt collectorsMay 09 16:45
DaemonFC[m]Pretty much.May 09 16:45
DaemonFC[m]There is a meeting of creditors but it's mostly a formality at a bankruptcy hearing because it just costs them more money to send a lawyer there.May 09 16:45
DaemonFC[m]If you're doing a Chapter 7 and they don't think there's anything to take then they almost never actually show up.May 09 16:46
scientesI did chapter 7May 09 16:46
scientesbefore I left the USMay 09 16:46
scientesalso sued the dept. of educationMay 09 16:46
DaemonFC[m]They can show up and complain that there's some good reason why a particular debt should not be discharged. May 09 16:46
scientesand the Minister of Education resigned because he felt the system was so horribleMay 09 16:46
scientesas it turns all young people into indentured serventsMay 09 16:47
scientesit should be called the Ministry of Debt-slaveryMay 09 16:47
DaemonFC[m]There's a 90 day presumed fraud window where the law just figures that any big purchases you made on the way out were done with the intention of not paying your bills. That's really the strongest legal protection they have. If you do file within 90 days of a large purchase or something then they are much more likely to show up.May 09 16:47
scientesbecause you don't get an education in those placesMay 09 16:47
scientesits all "safe spaces" and "microagressions"May 09 16:48
DaemonFC[m]If they can prove you were talking  to a bankruptcy lawyer while you continued racking up debt with them, that's a big one.May 09 16:48
scientesi didn't get a lawyerMay 09 16:48
scientesDaemonFC[m], it is really simple: you go into a room and they ask you a few questions in front of a voice recorderMay 09 16:48
DaemonFC[m]Yeah?May 09 16:49
scienteswith other people firing bankruptcyMay 09 16:49
scientes*filingMay 09 16:49
DaemonFC[m]Like why do you have all of this debt?May 09 16:49
scientesnahMay 09 16:49
DaemonFC[m]Basically.May 09 16:49
XRevan86I'd really want an alternative to Mozilla though, but I'm not ready to pat Google or Apple on the back just yet.May 09 16:49
scientesgenerally, do you have anything we can steal?May 09 16:49
DaemonFC[m]"Not unless you can repossess a crummy hotel room somehow."May 09 16:49
scientesyeah, you are goldenMay 09 16:50
XRevan86Android and Chromium are not the salvation here.May 09 16:50
DaemonFC[m]"I've got a bus pass."May 09 16:50
MinceRyeah, i want an alternative to failfox and crashium and webkit as wellMay 09 16:50
MinceRgnome OS is not the salvation eitherMay 09 16:50
MinceRit's malwareMay 09 16:50
scientesMinceR, they are fine if you only use them to get dataMay 09 16:51
scientesas they were designedMay 09 16:51
DaemonFC[m]scientes: "I have two cats. I presume that you will send the cat hauler to my hotel room immediately. I heard a Wall Street trader say he got two cats for a dog one time. Not really sure what that means. Might be cocaine related.".May 09 16:51
DaemonFC[m]"Do you have anything we can take?"May 09 16:52
scientesDaemonFC[m], pretty muchMay 09 16:52
DaemonFC[m]Well, if you have a helicopter and a private military, you could like, totally help me break into Fort Knox.May 09 16:52
DaemonFC[m]It's basically to the point where there's nothing  they could have.May 09 16:53
DaemonFC[m]Well past that point.May 09 16:53
scientesDaemonFC[m], everything in the US has been stolen multiple timesMay 09 16:53
smnthermes> XRevan86 Wrote:May 09 16:53
smnthermes> It's like arguing that Firefox is easy to fork, because Pale Moon did it, also twice.May 09 16:53
smnthermesYou should inform yourselfMay 09 16:53
DaemonFC[m]One of my credit cards charged off and then immediately tried to start settling.May 09 16:53
DaemonFC[m]They muse not think their chances are great. They offered to settle for about 15 cents on the dollar.May 09 16:53
*XRevan86 informs himself.May 09 16:53
DaemonFC[m]*mustMay 09 16:53
scientesDaemonFC[m], just bankrupt that shitMay 09 16:54
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, absolutely.May 09 16:54
scientesit is REALLY easyMay 09 16:54
XRevan86smnthermes: What did I just inform myself about?May 09 16:54
scientesand totally freeMay 09 16:54
DaemonFC[m]If you settle, they send a 1099-C and then you're fucked.May 09 16:54
DaemonFC[m]Besides, there's so many that settling one costs me more than bankruptcy and does not solve the larger problem.May 09 16:54
scientesalso, I had to sue the dept. of educationMay 09 16:55
DaemonFC[m]1099-C basically goes..... Say you owe $10,000 and they take $1,500.May 09 16:55
scientesbecause the laws now make everyone a slaveMay 09 16:55
scientesSOOO glad a left that shit-holeMay 09 16:55
DaemonFC[m]You're good with them, but the IRS says you just made $8,500 in taxabble income.May 09 16:55
DaemonFC[m]Then you owe the IRS income tax on it.....state too.May 09 16:55
DaemonFC[m]Then you have the government after you and they don't even need to take you to court or follow any rules.May 09 16:56
DaemonFC[m]You don't pay them they just slap a tax lien on all your shit and take your pay checks.May 09 16:56
DaemonFC[m]Social Security too! Which is protected from normal creditors.May 09 16:56
scientesDaemonFC[m], except no-one in the US gets pay checks anymoreMay 09 16:56
scientesthere are no jobsMay 09 16:56
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, they have bigger problems than me.May 09 16:56
smnthermesXRevan86: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=22270May 09 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.palemoon.org | How true/false are these allegations? - Pale Moon forumMay 09 16:57
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DaemonFC[m]Which is why they're trying to settle some of those accounts for a song.May 09 16:57
scientesits 1. back scratcher 2. debt collector, 3. back scratcherMay 09 16:57
scientesits like a train of back scratchersMay 09 16:57
DaemonFC[m]They know they're about to get spray painted with shit in a wave of defaults like nothing you've ever seen before.May 09 16:57
scientesDaemonFC[m], or they could just declare a JubileeMay 09 16:57
scientesand end the non-senseMay 09 16:58
DaemonFC[m]The bankruptcy courts will be so backed up that they wouldn't be able to send lawyers if they wanted to unless it's like something really egregious. May 09 16:58
DaemonFC[m]The problem for them here is that they're about to be slapped with a record number of bankruptcies and if Congress changes the law before the election, they'll be voted out.May 09 16:59
DaemonFC[m]So I suspect now is the time.May 09 16:59
DaemonFC[m]Congress might try to make it harder after the election.May 09 16:59
DaemonFC[m]When it's too late to punish them for a while.May 09 16:59
DaemonFC[m]Even with the 2005 bankruptcy "reforms" (in other words.....they knew a recession would come in 2008....), the 2008 collapse triggered millions of household bankruptcies.May 09 17:00
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XRevan86smnthermes: I knew that it's not that extreme as these "allegations"May 09 17:03
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scientesXRevan86, you have seen this right? https://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/1347513476.htmlMay 09 17:25
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scienteshahahahahahaahahaha https://www.craigslist.org/about/best/ric/6881185958.htmlMay 09 17:28
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XRevan86scientes: I haven'tMay 09 17:31
scientes> Twelve years experience with water-based pipes and clogged tubesMay 09 17:34
MinceRlol @ catMay 09 17:37
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MinceR(audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/ndm85zK.mp4May 09 19:22
XRevan86MinceR: 10 years later: "Jesus is real, I saw a miracle in real life"May 09 19:24
MinceR:>May 09 19:24
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XRevan86"She's a witch!" is more probable of course.May 09 19:26
MinceRburn the witch!May 09 19:26
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MinceRhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/ai-3May 09 21:17
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DaemonFC[m]I got off the phone with a bankruptcy attorney.May 09 21:50
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Baal is a very nice person.May 09 21:50
DaemonFC[m]She told me she could fix this entire debt problem very easily and that it's just not as bad as people ever think it is before they call and talk to a bankruptcy attorney.May 09 21:51
DaemonFC[m]She said that a straight Chapter 7 should be easy because we aren't subject to the means test and it's credit cards and hospital bills and a couple of leases from Chicago from forever ago.May 09 21:52
DaemonFC[m]It's not the government or student loans or anything that can get nasty or can't be discharged.May 09 21:52
MinceRBaal got a female host? :>May 09 22:32
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