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● Aug 09
[00:08]	AdmFubar	this is funny
[00:08]	AdmFubar	https://www.notebookcheck.net/Sony-stops-the-bizarre-McDonald-s-PlayStation-5-DualSense-controller-at-the-last-moment.553323.0.html
[00:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sony stops the bizarre McDonald's PlayStation 5 DualSense controller at the last moment - NotebookCheck.net News
[00:27]	DaemonFC	Why do you need Sony's permission to skin a controller and give it away?
[00:33]	Ariadne	if it uses their trademarks, it could be a problem
[00:33]	Ariadne	i guess
[00:34]	DaemonFC	The ony logos I saw on them were McDonalds.
● Aug 09
[01:06]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.46   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 48.18 swarm size (avg): 277.12  
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[01:18]	Ariadne	DaemonFC: playstation button had playstation logo
[01:22]	DaemonFC	There's no law that I'm aware of that says you can't buy something and then give it away.
[01:32]	techrights-news	#9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: August 8th, 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154299 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: August 8th, 2021 | Tux Machines
[01:39]	techrights-news	#Linux 5.14-rc5 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154300
[01:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 5.14-rc5 | Tux Machines
[01:41]	techrights-news	Sorry, there is no "MY" or 'i' in iPhone. #apple controls the whole thing, so "spyware" is the least of your problems; it's ALWAYS SPYING! https://www.makeuseof.com/is-my-iphone-infected-with-pegasus-spyware/ see also spied by gov. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34444233
[01:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | Is My iPhone Infected With Pegasus Spyware?
[01:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Edward Snowden interview: 'Smartphones can be taken over' - BBC News
[01:43]	psydruid	https://www.huaweicentral.com/huawei-reported-to-sell-its-server-business-will-keep-and-grow-kunpeng-chip/
[01:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huaweicentral.com | Huawei reported to sell its server business, will keep and grow Kunpeng chip - HC Newsroom
[01:43]	schestowitz-TR	Kunpeng?
[01:44]	schestowitz-TR	what is that based on?
[01:44]	psydruid	their own ARM cores
[01:44]	schestowitz-TR	BTW, the embargo, they claim, prevent them from putting FIVE GEEEEE! in 'phones'
[01:44]	schestowitz-TR	*prevented
[01:46]	techrights-news	"at the end of April I disclosed a bug in an NXP chip as part of my work at Oxide. The short summary is there was an undisclosed hardware block in the LPC55S69 which allowed for modification of the ROM and breaking of various isolation boundries. Oops?" https://www.labbott.name/blog/2021/08/08/lpc55s69.html
[01:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.labbott.name | Fun with the LPC55S69 | Something witty yet insightful
[01:56]	techrights-news	More shameless lies and nonsense about the dead #UPC from people who believe that endlessly repeating lies can somehow save it http://www.pmlive.com/pharma_news/opt_in_or_opt_out_925361 http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UPC
[01:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Opt in or opt out? - PMLiVE
[01:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UPC - Techrights
[01:57]	techrights-news	Review: #SMEServer 10.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154301 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review: SME Server 10.0 | Tux Machines
[01:58]	techrights-news	MEPs demand Brussels break global deadlock over Southern Ocean protected status https://www.euronews.com/2021/07/08/meps-demand-brussels-break-global-deadlock-over-southern-ocean-protected-status
[01:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MEPs demand Brussels break global deadlock over Southern Ocean protected status | Euronews
● Aug 09
[02:00]	techrights-news	Has Forbes killed off Jason Evangelho? No more #gnu #linux coverage allowed unless they receive bribes? Like #microsoft does for endless #vista11 fluff...
[02:01]	techrights-news	"The Free Software Foundation is funding a call for white papers of 3,000 or fewer words that address either Copilot itself or the subjects of copyright, machine learning, or free software as a whole" https://hackaday.com/2021/08/08/hackaday-links-august-8-2021/
[02:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hackaday Links: August 8, 2021 | Hackaday
[02:05]	techrights-news	#apple may also use those hashes for #copyright enforcement for #hollywood etc. THIS IS NOT ABOUT CHILDREN, IT IS ABOUT CONTROL. https://gizmodo.com/critics-say-apple-built-a-backdoor-into-your-iphone-wit-1847438624
[02:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | Critics: Apple's Child Abuse Detection Tools Threaten Privacy
[02:06]	techrights-news	#ReactOS Is Going Places, With More Stable AMD64, SMP, And Multi-Monitor Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154302
[02:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ReactOS Is Going Places, With More Stable AMD64, SMP, And Multi-Monitor Support | Tux Machines
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[02:07]	techrights-news	Sudo vs. su: Which Command Should You Use? https://www.makeuseof.com/sudo-vs-su/ #makeuseof | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/09/#latest
[02:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | Sudo vs. su: Which Command Should You Use?
[02:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
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[02:10]	techrights-news	Sophie Corke keeps repeating the propaganda term "IP" more times than I can keep track of http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/08/sunday-surprises.html there's no such thing; call things what they really are...
[02:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Sunday Surprises - The IPKat
[02:11]	techrights-news	FOSS Patents: #Privacy and hypocrisy: #Apple wants to know your location to sell you music, but governments must not ask you to scan QR codes to fight the pandemic http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/08/privacy-and-hypocrisy-apple-wants-to.html #fosspatents | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/09/#latest
[02:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Privacy and hypocrisy: Apple wants to know your location to sell you music, but governments must not ask you to scan QR codes to fight the pandemic
[02:14]	techrights-news	The most cost-effective thing to do is not waste any money on #patents , but #patent #litigation firms won't tell you that, will they? https://www.udl.co.uk/insights/start-ups-cost-effective-patent-filing-strategies
[02:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.udl.co.uk | Start-ups cost-effective patent filing strategies
[02:17]	techrights-news	#TeamUPC is paying this #propagandamill for a self-serving interpretation of a #kangaroocourt of the #EPO ; when these rig courts are further 'analysed' by people looking to crush the law and abolish constitution we're in trouble https://www.managingip.com/article/b1t03r04lmz7pc/g119-and-a-game-of-golf-non-obviousness-is-a-par-3-hole
[02:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | G1/19 and a game of golf: non-obviousness is a par-3 hole | Managing Intellectual Property
[02:17]	techrights-news	Clickbait BS from #newscientist https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-100-even-exorcists-are-now-working-remotely/
[02:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newscientist.com | Even exorcists are now working remotely | New Scientist
[02:19]	techrights-news	US still granting loads of fake #patents such as #SoftwarePatents in a hub of #patenttrolls where courts became little but businesses https://dallasinnovates.com/dallas-invents-149-patents-granted-for-week-of-july-20/ #swpats #texas
[02:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dallasinnovates.com | Dallas Invents: 149 Patents Granted forWeekofJuly20 Dallas Innovates
[02:22]	techrights-news	Now enough done to leverage lockdowns to succumb to the demands and needs/will of workers rather than corporations, oligarchs, employers. In fact, they've made it obvious they prioritise profits over safety of humans.
[02:23]	techrights-news	This week in GNU/Linux based #ChromeOS: https://www.xda-developers.com/this-week-in-chrome-os-chrome-os-92-hits-stable/ #xdadevelopers | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/09/#latest
[02:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xda-developers.com | This week in Chrome OS: Chrome OS 92 hits stable
[02:26]	techrights-news	Seems like an odd approach for the mere illusion of safety https://soranews24.com/2021/08/08/fuji-rock-festival-to-send-free-covid-19-test-kits-to-all-ticket-holders/
[02:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fuji Rock Festival to send free COVID-19 test kits to all ticket holders | SoraNews24 -Japan News-
[02:28]	techrights-news	"it was true that the interveners filing of the EUTM application had taken place after the applicant presented the modernization plan for its airport to the intervener." #trademark #trademarks https://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/08/eu-general-court-considers-bad-faith.html
[02:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | EU General Court considers bad faith claim in scenario of parties earlier cooperation - The IPKat
[02:30]	techrights-news	" #GSK sued for inducing infringement and the jury sided with GSK and awarded $200 million in damages. The district court rejected the jury verdict and instead found insufficient evidence to show causation" https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/08/skinny-approval-patent.html
[02:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | GSK v. Teva: Skinny Label Approval is not a Patent Safe Harbor | Patently-O
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[02:31]	techrights-news	"It appears that the [ #uspto ]Director personally considered both cases rather than delegating the decision back to the #PTAB or another Official." https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/08/director-reviews-denied.html http://techrights.org/2017/03/05/dennis-crouch-worries-about-ptab-and-cafc/
[02:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | The First Post-IPR Director Reviews are Denied | Patently-O
[02:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | PTAB and CAFC Crush Patents on Business Methods and Software, So Dennis Crouch Tries to Slow Them Down | Techrights
[02:36]	techrights-news	In #irc dead channels with a million users are worthless http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-080821.html#tAug%2008%2016:29:25
[02:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 08, 2021
[02:36]	techrights-news	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154303 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[02:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[02:36]	techrights-news	Emulating Nintendo Switch Games on Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154304 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[02:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Emulating Nintendo Switch Games on Linux | Tux Machines
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[02:39]	techrights-news	Agenda of #patent parasites being promoted by their propaganda mill, which also looks to scuttle #PTAB and thereby lower patent quality https://www.iam-media.com/litigation/us-litigation-4000-district-court-cases-2021 #patents http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/IAM
[02:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | US district court patent filings set to climb above 4,000 for the year | IAM
[02:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IAM - Techrights
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[02:49]	AdmFubar	https://www.osnews.com/story/133803/one-bad-apple/
[02:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-One bad Apple OSnews
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[02:53]	techrights-news	#greenwashing nonsense from large companies: we'll stop sending you paper bills because something "environment"; but they keep driving around polluting the planet, x1000 times worse. It's all about reducing their operational expenses, as those sheets of papers barely harm the environment (in relative terms), have vast value (proof of address, archiving etc.); your PC's production and battery/power usage for "online" alternatives like
[02:53]	schestowitz	"battery/power usage for online alternatives likely worse"
[02:55]	AdmFubar	oh but they will send you paper advertising like mad..
[02:55]	techrights-news	This is where all the large technology companies are going or have already gone, #Google and #Microsoft for sure https://www.osnews.com/story/133803/one-bad-apple/ #apple #surveillance #TechRights
[02:55]	schestowitz-TR	AdmFubar: of course!
[02:55]	schestowitz-TR	So you can file and keep ads in the cabinet!
[02:56]	AdmFubar	my credit union does this... they charge for my monthly report, but send several ads a month for other services they offer.
[02:58]	techrights-news	My energy provider #eon (which I never chose, those charlatans took over #npower without consultation or barriers/challenges from competition regulators) charge us over 2 pounds (!) for each paper bill they send. No "website" or "apps"? Pay extra 30 pounds or so per year. Not acceptable!
[02:59]	schestowitz-TR	AdmFubar: yes
[02:59]	schestowitz-TR	beat me to it
[02:59]	AdmFubar	my credit union charges $1 a month..
● Aug 09
[03:00]	AdmFubar	Roy... stallmans rss feed seems to be down at the moment
[03:00]	techrights-news	#SardiniaTelescope Captures Most Detailed Radio Image Ever Seen of #Andromeda #Galaxy http://www.sci-news.com/astronomy/radio-image-andromeda-galaxy-09911.html
[03:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sardinia Telescope Captures Most Detailed Radio Image Ever Seen of Andromeda Galaxy | Astronomy | Sci-News.com
[03:01]	AdmFubar	site is up... his rss feed isn't updating
[03:01]	schestowitz	AdmFubar: what do you mean by "down"?
[03:01]	schestowitz	ah
[03:01]	AdmFubar	unresponcive
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[03:01]	schestowitz	I don't know how he generates it
[03:01]	schestowitz	I can imagine it is some cron job
[03:01]	schestowitz	copylefted for sure
[03:02]	AdmFubar	might be in the middle of a back up?
[03:02]	schestowitz	https://stallman.org/rss
[03:02]	schestowitz	very short file
[03:02]	schestowitz	or maybe he put some 'bad' char that broke the program's running
[03:03]	schestowitz	<channel>nesting is telling
[03:03]	schestowitz	it doesn't close
[03:03]	schestowitz	won't validate
[03:04]	AdmFubar	maybe a disk error
[03:04]	schestowitz	this will break all the rms bots online
[03:06]	AdmFubar	another one bites the dust   https://www.salon.com/2021/08/08/former-newsmax-host-dies-of-covid-after-deathbed-about-face-on-anti-vax-beliefs/
[03:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Former Newsmax host dies of COVID after deathbed about-face on anti-vax beliefs | Salon.com
[03:06]	techrights-news	Crisis of legitimacy for the entire #patent system https://indaily.com.au/news/business/2021/08/09/if-machines-can-be-inventors-could-ai-soon-monopolise-technology/
[03:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indaily.com.au | If machines can be inventors, could AI soon monopolise technology? - InDaily
[03:07]	techrights-news	When so many large companies operate at a loss, indebted to lenders https://telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/indian-bankers-in-talks-as-court-rulings-threaten-over-6-billion-in-loans/85151786
[03:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Vodafone Idea: Indian bankers in talks as court rulings threaten over $6 billion in loans, Telecom News, ET Telecom
[03:08]	AdmFubar	they will monopolize everything... Hello Skynet! 
[03:08]	techrights-news	#DarwinAward for people who needlessly politicise basics like mask-wearing https://www.salon.com/2021/08/08/former-newsmax-host-dies-of-covid-after-deathbed-about-face-on-anti-vax-beliefs/
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[03:10]	techrights-news	There's gross overuse of the term "anti-vax" these days, as many rightly foresaw. Refusing to participate in clinical trials over the years was never called "anti-vax" (until last year); the term anti-vax was used to describe deniers of the value of polio, measles, flu vaccines.
[03:10]	schestowitz	AdmFubar: good for lawyers
[03:10]	schestowitz	until they write a program 
[03:10]	schestowitz	"HEY HI" lawyer
[03:11]	schestowitz	let computers game the whole thin
[03:11]	schestowitz	like they already do the stock market
[03:11]	schestowitz	high-frequency trading [sic]
[03:12]	techrights-news	Very slippery slope https://www.law360.com/articles/1407508/south-africa-issues-world-s-first-patent-with-ai-inventor watch how the system crashes itself; sit back as it burns itself... #patents for BOTS. #patent #monopolies
[03:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-South Africa Issues World's First Patent With AI Inventor - Law360
[03:13]	AdmFubar	Terminators = lawyers... mmmhhh
[03:14]	techrights-news	Fishing expedition for dumb judges and #patent offices: "launched more than a dozen patent applications across the globe" https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/jul/30/im-sorry-dave-im-afraid-i-invented-that-australian-court-finds-ai-systems-can-be-recognised-under-patent-law #southAfrica and #australia FELL FOR IT
[03:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Im sorry Dave Im afraid I invented that: Australian court finds AI systems can be recognised under patent law | Artificial intelligence (AI) | The Guardian
[03:15]	techrights-news	" #SouthAfrica does not permit the patenting of software, but #Microsoft and/or #Novell have ignored the law." http://techrights.org/wiki/Software_Patents_in_South_Africa #swpats
[03:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Patents in South Africa - Techrights
[03:17]	techrights-news	1980s: patents on maths 1990s: patents on anything; MORE PATENTS = MOAAAAAR INNOVATION 2000s: patents for trolls 2020: #patents to deny access to COVID treatment 2021: patents for bots Soon this whole system will collapse
[03:19]	techrights-news	#Australia has made itself extremely foolish, gullible, desperate for low-grade 'patents' https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/australian-judge-rules-inventions-6431529/
[03:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Australian Judge Rules Inventions Developed By Artificial Intelligence Can Qualify For Patent Protection | Weintraub Tobin - JDSupra
[03:20]	techrights-news	WOW! Now they're turning "Lifesciences" into one word, never mind if it's a misleading buzzword https://www.proactiveinvestors.com.au/companies/news/956791/proactive-to-host-lifesciences-webinar-on-tuesday-august-10-featuring-three-asx-listed-companies-956791.html see http://techrights.org/2018/07/08/life-science-patents/
[03:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.proactiveinvestors.com.au | Proactive to host Lifesciences Webinar on Tuesday, August 10, featuring three ASX-listed companies
[03:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Term Life Science Has Outlived Its Usefulness | Techrights
[03:22]	techrights-news	It does not seem like those #patent #litigation fanatics (profiteers) realise just to what degree this is damaging the credibility of the whole system they've hijacked in their corporate #coupdetat https://www.mondaq.com/australia/trademark/1099450/one-small-step-for-man-one-giant-leap-for-ai-australian-court-finds-dabus-can-be-an-inventor
[03:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | One Small Step For Man, One Giant Leap For AI: Australian Court Finds DABUS Can Be An Inventor - Intellectual Property - Australia
[03:23]	DaemonFC	https://www.chicagobusiness.com/utilities/retail-suppliers-charging-hundreds-millions-more-comed-power
[03:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chicagobusiness.com | Retail suppliers charging hundreds of millions more than ComEd for power | Crain's Chicago Business
[03:24]	schestowitz-TR	Communist Education :-)
[03:26]	DaemonFC	"Households in ComEds service territory that bought their power from alternative suppliers collectively paid $324 million more than they would have with ComEd in the year that ended May 31, according to a July 30 report by the Illinois Commerce Commissions Office of Retail Market Development. On average each household customer that ditched ComEd paid $323 more for electricity in that year than they would have if theyd done nothing.
[03:26]	DaemonFC	"
[03:26]	DaemonFC	Electricity Choice!
[03:26]	techrights-news	"Last week the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved an interchangeable biosimilar to insulin glargine, an approval notable because it is the first approved interchangeable biosimilar product." We we recently saw, #corruption too can buy #fda approval https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/08/fda-approves-first-interchangeable-biological-product.html
[03:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: FDA Approves First Interchangeable Biological Product
[03:27]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Yeah, those other companies buy you off with a $50 gift card and a 3 month discount.
[03:27]	DaemonFC	Then they lock you into a two year term or something at an outrageous rate.
[03:28]	DaemonFC	Or scammers working on commission get your ComEd account number and forge your name.
[03:28]	techrights-news	" #LG was willfully infringing the Mondis/Hitachi U.S. Patent No. 7,475,180. Post-verdict, the district court denied LGs motions for #JMOL on infringement and validity and then later granted a new trial on damages and willfulness." https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/08/timing-interlocutory-appeal.html
[03:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Timing of Interlocutory Appeal in Patent Cases | Patently-O
[03:31]	techrights-news	It seems increasingly apparent that propaganda mill "Managing Intellectual Property" is just selling site space to litigation firms, hardly even hiding that anymore (sponsored "articles"). No wonder so many writers left. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1t0x0pl47bbqb/assessing-the-licensing-environment-of-seps-in-japan
[03:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Assessing the licensing environment of SEPs in Japan | Managing Intellectual Property
[03:31]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Phew, I was afraid of ComCast Education
[03:33]	techrights-news	Large #pharmaceuticals or #monopolies get whatever they want, as usual: #France Implements New Early Access Pathway https://pink.pharmaintelligence.informa.com/PS144584/France-Implements-New-Early-Access-Pathway-For-Innovative-Medicines
[03:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://pink.pharmaintelligence.informa.com/PS144584/France-Implements-New-Early-Access-Pathway-For-Innovative-Medicines )
[03:34]	techrights-news	When they say "Sources" they mean "SPONSORS" (of this #$propaganda mill or de facto lobbying site in 'news' clothing) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1t0g18vgbhl0n/badfaith-trademark-law-one-step-forward-one-step-back
[03:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Bad-faith trademark law: one step forward, one step back | Managing Intellectual Property
[03:35]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: coming soon?
[03:35]	blitzed	If anyone is bored; 1 (929) 299-1269 aNONradio Open VOIP;  http://anonradio.net/listen/
[03:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anonradio.net | listen // aNONradio //
[03:36]	XRevan86	schestowitz: 'tis a spammer or legit?
[03:36]	schestowitz-TR	blitzed?
[03:36]	schestowitz-TR	legit
[03:36]	XRevan86	I see a phone number and I just assume.
[03:37]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: "1 (929) 299-1269 phone me, I'm so horrrny"
[03:37]	schestowitz-TR	not "Open VOIP"
[03:37]	schestowitz-TR	until VOIP turns you on or something
[03:37]	schestowitz-TR	anonradio sounds familiar
[03:38]	XRevan86	http://img1.joyreactor.com/pics/post/comics-call-fun-488021.jpeg
[03:38]	XRevan86	Very old but also very topical :)
[03:38]	techrights-news	This past week if not month #canonical and #ubuntu has been virtually invisible. I suppose they're too busy shilling #vista and #wsl to actually advertise or promote #gnu #linux http://techrights.org/2021/07/09/canonical-ubuntu-microsoft/
[03:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Canonical Dooms the Ubuntu Brand to Appease Microsoft | Techrights
[03:39]	techrights-news	Apple's [excuse] photo scanning tools criticised by privacy experts https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/technology/2021/08/apple-s-child-abuse-photo-scanning-tools-criticised-by-privacy-experts.html
[03:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newshub.co.nz | Apple's child abuse photo scanning tools criticised by privacy experts | Newshub
[03:41]	techrights-news	Maybe quit calling every computer program "HEY HI"? https://www.managingip.com/article/b1t0hfz2bytx44/exclusive-india-recognises-ai-as-co-author-of-copyrighted-artwork When stenographers run 'the media'....
[03:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Exclusive: India recognises AI as co-author of copyrighted artwork | Managing Intellectual Property
[03:42]	AdmFubar	https://therecord.media/security-tools-showcased-at-black-hat-usa-2021/
[03:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-therecord.media | Security tools showcased at Black Hat USA 2021 - The Record by Recorded Future
[03:42]	XRevan86	More Deny Hats
[03:42]	techrights-news	#twitter #socialcontrolmedia and mobs against #justice and #law https://www.law.com/2021/08/04/whats-next-trial-tweets-before-testimony-two-rulings-spark-ai-patent-optimism-activision-blizzard-lawsuits-are-a-major-moment-for-gaming/
[03:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What's Next: Trial Tweets Before Testimony? + Two Rulings Spark AI Patent Optimism + Activision Blizzard Lawsuits Are a Major Moment for Gaming | Law.com
[03:43]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: is AllowHurst attending?
[03:44]	schestowitz-TR	he moved back to Georgia
[03:44]	schestowitz-TR	not that far from Vegas anymore...
[03:44]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Near scientes?
[03:44]	schestowitz-TR	oh, his he there?
[03:44]	XRevan86	Unless he moved he was in Georgia, yes.
[03:45]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC will soon start moaning again aboud Deny People
[03:45]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: iirc, he was around costa rica
[03:45]	schestowitz-TR	and then somewhere like georgia the country
[03:45]	schestowitz-TR	not the state
[03:45]	XRevan86	schestowitz: I meant the country, yes (:
[03:45]	schestowitz-TR	AllowHurst studied in Rice (TX) iirc
[03:45]	schestowitz-TR	but is from GA, USA
[03:46]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR> DaemonFC will soon start moaning again aboud Deny People
[03:46]	DaemonFC	Denying all responsibility for their actions.
[03:47]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Huh, like a prophet.
[03:47]	AdmFubar	I'm off to view the insides of my eyelids...
[03:47]	schestowitz-TR	gn
[03:47]	AdmFubar	night all
[03:47]	schestowitz-TR	0/
[03:47]	XRevan86	AdmFubar: Have a good one.
[03:48]	AdmFubar	thanks
[03:48]		*AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights
[03:50]	techrights-news	"As a member state of the EU, trademark protection in #Bulgaria is often achieved through the registration of an European Union Trademark." https://www.mondaq.com/trademark/1099476/the-advantages-of-registering-a-national-bulgarian-trademark #corruption in #euipo notwithstanding: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO
[03:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | The Advantages Of Registering A National Bulgarian Trademark - Intellectual Property - Bulgaria
[03:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights
[03:50]	XRevan86	schestowitz: No one's written through the bridge in a long-long time. I'm almost upset that this bridge configuration is going to waste.
[03:52]	techrights-news	Notice how #law / #litigation firms write 'the news' and are hailing countries only when they serve litigation agenda, e.g. "steps forward to catch up" ( #lobbying disguised as "news") https://www.bioworld.com/articles/510124-canadas-patent-system-steps-forward-to-catch-up?v=preview
[03:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Canadas patent system steps forward to catch up | 2021-08-04 | BioWorld
[03:52]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: maybe freenode will wake up and realise sasl is a mistake 
[03:52]	schestowitz-TR	and make it optional
[03:53]	schestowitz-TR	though it's probably too late by now
[03:53]	schestowitz-TR	those who left won't reattempt a connection
[03:54]	XRevan86	schestowitz: It's a liability, no one except for some very select few will ever try to give it a chance.
[03:55]	techrights-news	There is no such thing as "IP Law"; he means #patent #law and this decision serves to discredit the law as it rewards bots, like high-frequency 'trading' that's gaming financial markets https://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/patent/1099064/recent-developments-in-artificial-intelligence-and-ip-law-south-africa-grants-world39s-first-patent-for-ai-created-invention
[03:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Recent Developments In Artificial Intelligence And IP Law: South Africa Grants World's First Patent For AI-Created Invention - Intellectual Property - Worldwide
[03:56]	XRevan86	schestowitz: And I don't mean it in a "bad reputation" sense, but in that it will cause mysery to those who go near it.
[03:56]	XRevan86	I misspelt "misery" again.
[03:57]	techrights-news	"Lawyers spearheading the patent applications for #DABUS spoke to Managing IP" and of course they did not bother speaking to critics; that's what propaganda mills do. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1t0vm20d76mg7/this-week-in-ip-dabus-team-on-ai-wins-thin-gruel-for-oatly-nintendo-settles-patent-suit
[03:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | This week in IP: DABUS team on AI wins, thin gruel for Oatly, Nintendo settles patent suit | Managing Intellectual Property
[03:57]	XRevan86	And people know it, so they won't.
[03:58]	schestowitz-TR	freenode is collapsing very fast
[03:58]	schestowitz-TR	for almost a month it stayed above 60k
[03:59]	schestowitz-TR	that mostly changed when the culls started
[03:59]	schestowitz-TR	painting them as obv. untrusted actors
● Aug 09
[04:00]	XRevan86	No one likes those who silence their critics.
[04:00]	techrights-news	Totally stuffed or stacked by law firms https://patentlyo.com/hricik/2021/08/september-dennis-important.html
[04:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | A September CLE in Salt Lake City with Dennis, Me, and Other Important People! | Patently-O
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[04:01]	techrights-ipfs-bot	 Gemini requests since start of month:   70504 total Total pages: 37005    Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 2 months 0 days ago
[04:01]	techrights-ipfs-bot	 IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated.  TotalIn: 1.9 GB    TotalOut: 441 MB
[04:01]	techrights-ipfs-bot	 New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID 
[04:02]	techrights-news	When the media and debates are hijacked by one particular lobby group people will gradually walk away and the echo chamber see its cause floundering (lack of public support), quite frankly as usual.
[04:03]	techrights-news	Stacked panel from #IBM front group for #patent extremism https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/08/ipo-webinar-on-common-ip-pitfalls-in-energy-industry-joint-ventures-and-collaborations.html
[04:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: IPO Webinar on Common IP Pitfalls in Energy Industry Joint Ventures and Collaborations
[04:04]	techrights-news	"A stacked panel, on the other hand, is like a stacked deck: it is packed with people who, on the face of things, should be neutral, but who are in fact strong supporters of our technology." - #Microsoft http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdf
[04:05]	techrights-ipfs-bot	QmXBU6oKqgN1Lsd8vCX9iBHiUi66fm8iL3uXsJgyh4LH33
[04:05]	techrights-news	#Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, August 08, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[04:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives
[04:06]	techrights-news	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[04:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index
[04:07]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.48   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 58.18 swarm size (avg): 277.01  
[04:08]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Someone marked freenode as historical on Wikipedia.
[04:08]	techrights-news	We ought not let #ubuntu be the 'default' #gnu #linux distro any longer. http://techrights.org/2021/07/09/canonical-ubuntu-microsoft/
[04:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Canonical Dooms the Ubuntu Brand to Appease Microsoft | Techrights
[04:08]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: too early
[04:08]	schestowitz-TR	there is still pulse
[04:09]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Ye're confusing pulse with agony.
[04:09]	schestowitz	https://stallman.org/rss/rss.xml still broken
[04:09]	schestowitz	and the front page shows an empty list at https://stallman.org/
[04:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Richard Stallman's Personal Page
[04:10]	schestowitz	XRevan86: wow
[04:10]	schestowitz	28 online in #techrights
[04:10]	XRevan86	schestowitz: But to be serious, ye're right, one can still connect to it, so it's not fully dead yet.
[04:10]	schestowitz	it was 33 yesterday
[04:10]	schestowitz	cubexyz is still there
[04:11]		*techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
[04:11]	XRevan86	Is cybrNaut there?
[04:12]	XRevan86	He expressed some views that make me concerned for his IRC presence :)
[04:13]	XRevan86	stop trying to sink with the ship, it's not going to do any good.
[04:13]	schestowitz	wallacer vallor  slep rsheftel1435 psychedeliacrat mekkis lockeanarchist jkl includeals  fleursdumal ebin brabo alynpost we're at #techrights in at irc.techrights.org (the IRC client needs to be configured to connect to it) in case freenode no longer lets you back in 
[04:13]	schestowitz	XRevan86: clearly some people just lurk
[04:14]	schestowitz	and don't realise there are no access restrictions
[04:14]	schestowitz	until they can no longer reconnect
[04:14]	schestowitz	and they might give up trying to re-establish the connection
[04:14]	schestowitz	IRC without anon access is no better than jabber
[04:14]	schestowitz	actually, the technical feature set of jabber is better
[04:14]	schestowitz	for irc speed of access and lack of barriers was an advantage
[04:15]	schestowitz	irc.com takes away the selling points
[04:15]	XRevan86	XMPP's connections are distributed, they are more anonymous in some senses.
[04:15]	schestowitz	and markets itself as broadening the reach of IRC?
[04:15]	schestowitz	XRevan86: yes, that too
[04:15]	schestowitz	but XMPP isn't just some 'pick a nickname' thing
[04:16]	schestowitz	XRevan86: the upside is that the channel in LC is dead
[04:16]	schestowitz	more so than FN
[04:16]	schestowitz	so we seem to have fully consolidated here
[04:16]	XRevan86	Yes, albeit IRC doesn't have quite the low barrier people want to think it does, because it has absolutely no backlog.
[04:16]	schestowitz	and thus cannot be suppressed by entities which DO NOT CARE about our vocation
[04:17]	schestowitz	XRevan86: it can have that
[04:17]	schestowitz	see /topic
[04:17]	XRevan86	schestowitz: techrights.org/irc is an interesting solution, yes
[04:17]	schestowitz	thanks
[04:17]	XRevan86	I actually made use of it :)
[04:17]	schestowitz	the medium itself is highly suitable for whispering
[04:18]	schestowitz	like dropping of info
[04:18]	schestowitz	XRevan86: I make use of it if I drop my connection
[04:18]	schestowitz	I used to do that from the CLI
[04:18]	schestowitz	then all the same logs go to ipfs, gemini, text, and html
[04:19]	XRevan86	biboumi doesn't automatically reconnect, and irc.techrights.org dropped me two times.
[04:19]	schestowitz	maybe at some stage we can look into ha
[04:19]	schestowitz	h..a.
[04:19]	XRevan86	high-availability / load-balancing I assume.
[04:20]	MinceR	ergo can also do some sort of backlog, iirc
[04:20]	schestowitz	MinceR: didn't see it in the manuals
[04:20]	XRevan86	MinceR: DaemonFC makes use of that, indeed.
[04:20]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/ergoirc-manuals.txt
[04:21]	schestowitz	backlog and scrollback not mentioned in the text
[04:21]	XRevan86	But that requires some know-how. So not for a complete novice.
[04:22]	XRevan86	schestowitz: "History"
[04:22]	schestowitz	we can implement our own enhancements
[04:22]	schestowitz	over time
[04:22]	schestowitz	"    * Ergo stores message history for later retrieval."
[04:23]	schestowitz	"1. The [IRCv3 chathistory specification](https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory) offers the most fine-grained control over history replay. It is supported by [Kiwi IRC](https://github.com/kiwiirc/kiwiirc), and hopefully other clients soon.'
[04:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircv3.net | `chathistory` Extension - IRCv3
[04:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - kiwiirc/kiwiirc: Next generation of the Kiwi IRC web client
[04:23]	schestowitz	"1. You can manually request history using `/history #channel 1h` (the parameter is either a message count or a time duration). (Depending on your client, you may need to use `/QUOTE history` instead.)"
[04:23]	schestowitz	oh
[04:23]	schestowitz	it works
[04:23]	schestowitz	Try  /history #techrights 1h
[04:24]	schestowitz	it works!
[04:24]	schestowitz	if only I knew...
[04:24]	XRevan86	The chathistory extension is actually interesting, because it is more universal and can be implemented transparently.
[04:25]	schestowitz	1. You can autoreplay a fixed number of lines (e.g., 25) each time you join a channel using `/msg NickServ set autoreplay-lines 25`.
[04:25]	schestowitz	XRevan86: so now you have a way to play things back
[04:25]	schestowitz	no web browser needed
[04:25]	XRevan86	I wonder how that affects the timestamps of the messages.
[04:26]	schestowitz	it shows me old timestamps when I run       /history #techrights 1h
[04:26]	schestowitz	but maybe in other IRC clients the time will be bypassed by the client side
[04:27]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Regarding HA, I'm curious if ergo has *anything* for clustering.
[04:28]	alynpost/fn	thank you schestowitz I'll make time this coming week to connect directly to irc.techrights.org.
[04:28]		*XRevan86 found an explicit "no" in the documentation. Well-documented.
[04:28]	techrights-news	#Article17 contributes to the narrative of #eu working for US http://copyrightblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/07/26/what-member-states-can-learn-from-the-ag-opinion-on-article-17/
[04:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-copyrightblog.kluweriplaw.com | What Member States can learn from the AG opinion on Article 17 - Kluwer Copyright Blog
[04:29]	techrights-news	What can we learn about #Copyright #History from Whistlers #Portrait of Lady Eden? https://www.create.ac.uk/blog/2021/07/26/what-can-we-learn-about-copyright-history-from-whistlers-portrait-of-lady-eden/
[04:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.create.ac.uk | What can we learn about Copyright History from Whistlers Portrait of Lady Eden? CREATe
[04:30]	schestowitz	Ariadne: do we have offisite backups of the ergo container?
[04:30]	schestowitz	alynpost +1
[04:32]	Ariadne	no
[04:33]	techrights-news	"As most readers must be aware by now, the Parliamentary Standing Committee Report on Indias IP regime has revealed a problematic, maximalist approach to IP [sic] protection" https://spicyip.com/2021/07/parliamentary-standing-committee-and-copyright-reform-one-step-forward-three-steps-back.html
[04:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Parliamentary Standing Committee and Copyright Reform: One Step Forward, Three Steps Back | SpicyIP
[04:35]	techrights-news	#india #selfharm for the #patent #cartel https://spicyip.com/2021/08/parliamentary-standing-committee-report-on-ipr-tipping-the-scales-of-patent-law-part-i.html #colonialism
[04:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Parliamentary Standing Committee Report on IPR: Tipping the Scales of Patent Law? Part I | SpicyIP
[04:37]	techrights-news	Unnecessary overuse of the misnomer and propaganda term "IP"; just say patents instead https://spicyip.com/2021/08/parliamentary-standing-committee-report-on-ipr-tipping-the-scales-of-patent-law-part-ii.html
[04:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Parliamentary Standing Committee Report on IPR: Tipping the Scales of Patent Law? Part II | SpicyIP
[04:38]	techrights-news	"I am sure many would have exclaimed with similar sentiment after reading the suggestions of the recent Parliamentary Standing Committee Report on Review of IPR regime in India, which suggests re-institution of #IPAB ." https://spicyip.com/2021/07/back-from-the-dead-parliamentary-committee-on-ip-suggests-against-scrapping-of-ipab.html
[04:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Back from the Dead? Parliamentary Committee on IP suggests against scrapping of IPAB | SpicyIP
[04:39]	techrights-news	Of course nasty #ibm has been #lobbying FOR #swpats in #india http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Software_Patents_in_India
[04:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Patents in India - Techrights
[04:40]	schestowitz	Ariadne: there's some stuff there like user accounts that merits backup, I think, and I'm not sure which hv-side tools can help copy files across
[04:42]	DaemonFC	This infrastructure bill will turn into a disaster.
[04:42]	DaemonFC	The government pouring stimulus that's not paid for into an economy that's on the verge of hyperinflation.
[04:42]	DaemonFC	This will not end well.
[04:43]	techrights-news	"This is example of typical click-bait spreading false truths post only posting part of the story as a headline. They arent mandating vaccines. They are requiring them for entry into an office." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cecaatd#replies #ibm #redhat
[04:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Red Hat issues vaccine mandate for employees - post regarding IBM layoffs
[04:44]	DaemonFC	I'm considering possibly buying more I-Bonds next time the rate resets though.
[04:44]	DaemonFC	I expect them to be near 6%.
[04:44]	DaemonFC	The ones I purchased back in February finally went up to 3.54.
[04:46]	techrights-news	0 A.D. Alpha 25 Released! Implement Single Player Campaigns [Ubuntu PPA] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154283#comment-30494
[04:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: GNU/Linux Gaming Predictions, Valve Steam Deck,and 0 A.D. | Tux Machines
[04:48]	techrights-news	"This final section of The Last Battle is deeply flawed, rather arrogant, a little bizarre, and involves more lectures on theology than precise description, but I still love it." https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/reviews/books/0-02-044210-6.html
[04:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eyrie.org | Review: The Last Battle by C.S. Lewis
[04:51]	techrights-news	#eff should just urge everybody to #deleteFacebook instead, then preferably block the servers of the company https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/01/how-change-your-facebook-activity-settings
[04:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | How to Change Your Off-Facebook Activity Settings | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[04:52]	techrights-news	10 years ago: #WikiLeaks #Assange : #Facebook Is ";Appalling Spying Machine" - The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/05/wikileaks-assange-facebook-is-appalling-spying-machine/238225/ #theatlantic
[04:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | WikiLeaks' Assange: Facebook Is 'Appalling Spying Machine' - The Atlantic
● Aug 09
[05:01]	schestowitz-TR	oh, my email autoresponder still mentions freenode
[05:01]	schestowitz-TR	I need to fix that
[05:01]		*techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@qhduu73fcjmdn.irc) has joined #techrights
[05:04]	DaemonFC	But Freenode is IRC.
[05:04]	DaemonFC	For ~9,000 users and falling.
[05:04]	DaemonFC	Why you make Freenode hurt you?
[05:05]	DaemonFC	Freenode only wanna love you!
[05:05]	DaemonFC	PIA is getting sketchy.
[05:05]	DaemonFC	My bank and Amazon both block it now.
[05:05]	schestowitz-TR	wow
[05:05]	schestowitz-TR	screenshot?
[05:06]	DaemonFC	No screenshot. The sites just won't load while I'm on any PIA server.
[05:06]	schestowitz-TR	it's worth reporting on
[05:06]	schestowitz-TR	ah, that is different
[05:06]	DaemonFC	This happened when they switched to FreedomTech Solutions for all of their US servers.
[05:06]	schestowitz-TR	I thought you could not make payments for PIA
[05:07]	DaemonFC	Oh no, you can still do that.
[05:07]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: can you research this FreedomTech Solutions thing?
[05:07]	DaemonFC	It's kind of difficult to look into this because their site is so non-specific as to what they really do.
[05:07]	DaemonFC	It's a bunch of buzzwords and gobbledygook.
[05:07]	schestowitz	https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11080278
[05:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk | FREEDOMTECH SOLUTIONS LIMITED - Overview (free company information from Companies House)
[05:08]	schestowitz	goes 14 years back: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11080278/filing-history
[05:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk | FREEDOMTECH SOLUTIONS LIMITED - Filing history (free information from Companies House)
[05:08]	schestowitz	have a look,DaemonFC
[05:08]	schestowitz	see who or what you pay for
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[05:09]	DaemonFC	Inderjiit Singh Kambo
[05:10]	DaemonFC	Did a search. Heh.
[05:10]	DaemonFC	Well, it seems like something big happened at PIA and not for the better.
[05:10]	DaemonFC	Max-P disappeared a long time ago and now their site has been completely redesigned.
[05:15]	schestowitz	see page 4 of https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/document-api-images-live.ch.gov.uk/docs/jSUi1tz5l42Dr5XmiXqIZMhOuWMbkbqYJetpcfFM7QA/application-pdf?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAWRGBDBV3EWUUMGO3%2F20210809%2Feu-west-2%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20210809T041418Z&X-Amz-Expires=60&X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjEIP%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCWV1LXdlc3QtMiJIMEYCIQDl6cMufM6TejtNXy1MDupAjE2IMorPtILvYftTuzyy%
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[05:15]	schestowitz	2FAIhAPQ5yrrFSZKMm8ZoCdVdaFABqqwmjBTHWtIhNC3X4CeOKoMECJz%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEQAxoMNDQ5MjI5MDMyODIyIgyXfwuugkO%2BwjtY0OYq1wPoY2OXxdW%2FdB7J5MxIvt1pWPZhqfZ6JjHfyb3F2TaHb%2BTgm47I06YdR8OpTVUkuU3ZVD7EkIsvTdOyu5O6KCt%2BDOyD4JOP1x5iCrerNGw31k25h6R4dNsWa6Ha0JKM6wgmCmJpKgr3MU202OW6N5a8iTjGPdG2IDcE2yM8ULhdS32iywD4JT75ZFrNJtZL%2BYnq9vYe75Tr%2F6cg3QpiAemtiiBbdwFXE%2F%2FKxgQAWgxLtfS%2FMfaiY7IQHAITwk%2BlDASV1mAoj0zTeoXDsMj5F0LHn6lcs9VKVmMMHUiRSJNj%
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[05:15]	schestowitz	closed too late
[05:15]	schestowitz	sorry
[05:16]	schestowitz	stupid AWS URLs
[05:16]	schestowitz	https://tinyurl.com/ey43u3h8
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[05:16]	schestowitz	see page 4
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[05:18]	techrights-news	#PIA , the #VPN that owns #freenode and is now owned by #kape (malicious software firm), now routes all US #internet traffic through this company https://tinyurl.com/ey43u3h8
[05:21]	schestowitz-TR	Thank you for flying KAPE, aka PIA 
[05:22]	techrights-news	This is the company that handles all the US traffic of #PIA (maybe because the US govt. took Kape to court, though one can also guess) https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11080278/filing-history
[05:25]	techrights-news	The company that handles all the US traffic of #PIA is without assets anymore https://tinyurl.com/juctszye #freenode #kape
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[05:26]	techrights-news	The government keeps telling us that #vpn users are dodgy, but I'd argue they're nowhere as dodgy as the VPN companies.
[05:28]	techrights-news	"Piano Factorys director noted around 2001 that nobody was making #Schiedmayer brand #pianos any longer and assumed the mark must have been abandoned." https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/08/mining-history-brand.html
[05:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Mining History for your Brand Name | Patently-O
[05:30]	techrights-news	Latest in the madness of trying to monopolise life through #CRISPR 'invention' https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/08/broad-files-contingent-preliminary-motion-no-2-in-crispr-interference.html #patent #monopolies #patents
[05:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: Broad Files Contingent Preliminary Motion No. 2 in CRISPR Interference
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[06:28]	techrights-news	An #EPO Administrative Council Expos Part III: A Longtime Associate of the Doyen http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/macedonia-votes-for-sale/ #Techrights #europe #corruption #patents | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/09/macedonia-votes-for-sale/
[06:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | An EPO Administrative Council Expos Part III: A Longtime Associate of the Doyen | Techrights
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[07:25]	techrights-news	[Meme] Competition for the Doyen (in the Boardroom or the Bedroom?) http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/doyen-of-croatia/ #epo #croatia #corruption #patent #nepotism
[07:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Competition for the Doyen (in the Boardroom or the Bedroom?) | Techrights
[07:41]	techrights-news	[Meme] Stop Giving Code to Microsofts #GitHub http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/gnu-linux-as-hostage/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/09/gnu-linux-as-hostage/
[07:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Stop Giving Code to Microsofts GitHub | Techrights
[07:43]	techrights-news	#DeleteGithub page to reach 100k views soon. We've barely even linked to it. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github
[07:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights
[07:44]	techrights-news	Have #bbc and #guardian repudiated #billgates for his abuses yet? Or are they licking his boots some more for the next round of #bribery (they're long been bribed by him, with conditions)?
[07:47]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Anti-Piracy Firm Asks Google to Block 127.0.0.1 https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-firm-asks-google-to-block-127-0-0-1-210808/
[07:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Anti-Piracy Firm Asks Google to Block 127.0.0.1 * TorrentFreak
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[07:55]	techrights-news	 NEWS #AralBalkan #privacy #Apple is trying to redefine what it means to violate your privacy. We must not let it. https://ar.al/2021/08/08/apple-is-trying-to-redefine-what-it-means-to-violate-your-privacy-we-must-not-let-it/
[07:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ar.al | Apple is trying to redefine what it means to violate your privacy. We must not let it. Aral Balkan
[07:57]	techrights-news	 #NorthMacedonia was immensely gratifying for #Battistelli and it allowed him to indulge his personal vanity because he usually got to rub shoulders with high level politicians rather than just mere civil servants in charge of the national IPO. http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/macedonia-votes-for-sale/
[07:58]	techrights-news	A culture of overt #nepotism goes beyond the #EPO . #eljkoTopi is alleged to have had an affair with #LjiljanaKuterovac (there are court documents detailing this extramarital relationship) http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/doyen-of-croatia/
[07:59]	techrights-news	Now that #Microsoft uses #GitHub to encourage #GPL violations its time to reassess the alleged safety of #outsourcing code to Microsoft http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/gnu-linux-as-hostage/ #deletegithub
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[08:04]	techrights-news	Latest #techrights videos (past 7 days) http://techrights.org/videos/
[08:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full Videos Index
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[08:09]	techrights-news	#apple #surveillance https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/an-honest-conversation-on-apple,:2 I wonder what excuses card-carry'i'ing cult members will make...
[08:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | An honest conversation on Apple, hashing, & privacy with Daniel Smullen
[08:10]	techrights-news	This is who danielsmullen is https://daniel-smullen.com/#pub
[08:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-daniel-smullen.com | Daniel Smullen
[08:11]	techrights-news	The U.S. Is Now Averaging 100,000 New #COVID19 Infections A Day https://text.npr.org/1025753258 #npr averages many bribes per day, too https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php
[08:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | The U.S. Is Now Averaging 100,000 New COVID-19 Infections A Day
[08:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cjr.org | Journalisms Gates keepers - Columbia Journalism Review
[08:13]	techrights-news	#golug 2021 http://troubleshooters.com/linux/presentations/golug_software_guide_20210807.tgz #gnu #linux
[08:14]	techrights-news	#microsoft is a huge liability. Those who do not delete everything from #windows to fake #email like Exchange/Outlook will pay dearly http://blog.orange.tw/2021/08/proxylogon-a-new-attack-surface-on-ms-exchange-part-1.html see how Microsoft embraced #racism as a PR strategy http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/
[08:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.orange.tw | Orange: A New Attack Surface on MS Exchange Part 1 - ProxyLogon!
[08:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights
[08:15]	schestowitz	x https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2021/08/07/faa-urges-airports-to-monitor-alcohol-intake.cnn
[08:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | Unruly passengers cause FAA to request airports monitor alcohol use - CNN Video
[08:15]	schestowitz	# trying to distract from the bad treatment from the airlines and the tsa,
[08:15]	schestowitz	# both of which stress out the passengers
[08:21]	techrights-news	##HowTo Enable Minimize, Maximize Window Buttons in elementary OS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154305 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Enable Minimize, Maximize Window Buttons in elementary OS | Tux Machines
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[08:32]	techrights-news	#Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154306 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[09:12]	techrights-news	 NEWS #JamieBrandon #Databases Implicit ordering in relational languages https://scattered-thoughts.net/writing/implicit-ordering-in-relational-languages/
[09:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-scattered-thoughts.net | Implicit ordering in relational languages
[09:12]	techrights-news	 NEWS #JonUdell #Databases Working with #Postgres types https://blog.jonudell.net/2021/07/27/working-with-postgres-types/ #psql
[09:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.jonudell.net | Working with Postgres types Jon Udell
[09:13]	techrights-news	 [Old] #NoelRappin #Databases Databases and Validation and Uncertainty https://noelrappin.com/blog/2021/07/databases-and-validation-and-uncertainty/
[09:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-noelrappin.com | Databases and Validation and Uncertainty Noel Rappin Writes Here
[09:15]	techrights-news	 NEWS #JonUdell #Programming A beautiful power tool to scrape, clean, and combine data https://blog.jonudell.net/2021/08/01/a-beautiful-power-tool-to-scrape-clean-and-combine-data/
[09:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.jonudell.net | A beautiful power tool to scrape, clean, and combine data Jon Udell
[09:16]	techrights-news	 NEWS #SolomonBothwell #Programming A Brief Intro to Monad Transformers https://blog.cofree.coffee/2021-08-05-a-brief-intro-to-monad-transformers/
[09:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.cofree.coffee | A Brief Intro to Monad Transformers
[09:18]	techrights-news	 NEWS #JonUdell #Standards The Tao of #Unicode Sparklines https://blog.jonudell.net/2021/08/05/the-tao-of-unicode-sparklines/
[09:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.jonudell.net | The Tao of Unicode Sparklines Jon Udell
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[09:23]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TimesHigherEducation #Education Preventing student cheating will require more than HEY HI or legislation https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/universities-can-cut-plagiarism-working-students-unions-raise-awareness-contract-cheating
[09:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | Preventing student cheating will require more than AI or legislation | Times Higher Education (THE)
[09:24]	wallacer	schestowitz: I'm not idling lol
[09:25]	schestowitz-TR	hi 0/
[09:25]	wallacer	:O instant reply
[09:25]	schestowitz-TR	freenode is fast drying up
[09:25]	schestowitz-TR	to the point where we might assume it can be decommisioned by year's end
[09:26]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CNBC #Hardware #Google is planning a new #SiliconValley campus with hardware hub, plans show https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/06/google-planning-silicon-valley-campus-hardware-lab.html
[09:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Google planning Silicon Valley campus, hardware lab
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[09:26]	techrights-news	 NEWS #India #Hardware #Google planning a huge hardware #RandD hub in Silicon Valley https://telanganatoday.com/google-planning-a-huge-hardware-rd-hub-in-silicon-valley
[09:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-telanganatoday.com | Google planning a huge hardware R&D hub in Silicon Valley
[09:28]	techrights-news	 #IRC Proceedings: Sunday, August 08, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/irc-log-080821/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/09/irc-log-080821/
[09:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Sunday, August 08, 2021 | Techrights
[09:29]	wallacer	they kinda did it to themselves
[09:29]	wallacer	I was on their side until they ruined themselves
[09:29]	wallacer	why is beyond my understanding
[09:29]	schestowitz-TR	at the point they banned and took over channels
[09:30]	techrights-news	 NEWS #taiwannews #taiwan #tw #china Chinese ICT products to be banned at #Taiwan s government facilities by end of year https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4266333
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[09:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.taiwannews.com.tw | Chinese ICT products to be banned at Taiwans government facilities by end of year | Taiwan News | 2021-08-08 11:36:00
[09:30]	schestowitz-TR	wallacer: likely ego-tripping and lack of tact
[09:30]	schestowitz-TR	if not insiders working against freenode/lee
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[09:30]	schestowitz-TR	apparently phanes/bagira was an in-house troublemaker
[09:30]	schestowitz-TR	looking to settle persoanl scores
[09:30]	schestowitz-TR	no vetting-> self-harm
[09:31]	wallacer	tomaw is not really sane too on the libera side 
[09:31]	wallacer	IRC seems to be on a suicide path
[09:31]	schestowitz-TR	it's free software
[09:31]	schestowitz-TR	we can run it
[09:31]	schestowitz-TR	but distros might stop packaging irc clients
[09:31]	wallacer	the community optics aren't looking good
[09:31]	schestowitz-TR	like they barely package gemini clients
[09:36]	techrights-news	This is a badge of shame for #SouthAfrica , not an honour at all. It makes the country seem like it has no clue what the hell it's doing and how #patent #law works (or what it's for). https://www.businesstoday.in/technology/news/story/in-a-world-first-south-africa-accords-patent-to-an-artificial-intelligence-system-303609-2021-08-08
[09:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesstoday.in | In a world first, South Africa accords patent to an artificial intelligence system - BusinessToday
[09:43]	techrights-news	Taking ideas to one's grave for the sake of money and power https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897949
[09:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-papers.ssrn.com | The Value in Secrecy by Camilla Alexandra Hrdy :: SSRN
[09:45]	techrights-news	Today's #patent system is no longer about #innovation but #protectionism for large companies with tons of lousy and #fakepatents that favour a side with more legal budget https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/08/our-patent-system-is-broken-it-could-be-stifling-innovation/ #bezos like it as it is and controls this publication
[09:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Our patent system is broken. And it could be stifling innovation. - The Washington Post
[09:47]	techrights-news	Quit allowing the #litigation giants (and oligarchs they front for) paint their #Monopolies and #Protectionism with the "tolerance" brush. All that #greenwashing and #pinkwashing harms those who serve the REAL causes.
[09:49]	techrights-news	2021: we now have "open" and "green" and "gay-friendly" and "anti-racist" and "feminist" #patent #monopolies that kill people not rich enough to afford the monopolised treatment/medicine. #openwashing #greenwashing #pinkwashing
[09:52]	gustaf	Gemini is really new 
[09:52]	gustaf	but yeah I lack a good client 
[09:52]	gustaf	lynx or w3m needs Gemini support 
[09:53]	gustaf	something that's familiar
[09:53]	schestowitz-TR	tell them
[09:53]	schestowitz-TR	it is easy to implement
[09:53]	schestowitz-TR	and they have dozens of implementations they can fused into their project
[09:53]	schestowitz-TR	*fuse
[09:54]	schestowitz-TR	a crude implementation would be once day of coding and testing
[09:55]	gustaf	https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/lynx-dev/2020-09/msg00016.html
[09:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.nongnu.org | Re: [Lynx-dev] Gemini Support?
[09:55]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Salon #Misinformation #Disinformation A terrifying new theory: #fakenews and #conspiracytheories as an evolutionary strategy https://www.salon.com/2021/08/08/a-terrifying-new-theory-fake-news-and-conspiracy-theories-as-an-evolutionary-strategy/
[09:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A terrifying new theory: Fake news and conspiracy theories as an evolutionary strategy | Salon.com
[09:55]	gustaf	too much NIH
[09:55]	gustaf	that's the lynx lead dev btw
[09:56]	gustaf	people who are excited about Gemini don't want to hack ancient C code
[09:56]	gustaf	they wanna use Rust 
[09:57]	techrights-news	'Mike' #Bloomberg the oligarch has hired another patent maximalist, Matthew Bultman, to work as a reporter alongside the booster Susan Decker. They're more like lobbyists than journalists. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-06/apple-wins-ruling-voiding-patent-in-308-5-million-case
[09:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
[09:58]	gustaf	doesn't look like w3m are interested either 
● Aug 09
[10:00]	techrights-news	Good riddance to #fakepatents https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/supreme-court-of-canada-denies-amgen-7512296/ #uspto #patents #canada
[10:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Supreme Court of Canada denies Amgen leave to appeal decision invalidating its filgrastim patent | Smart & Biggar - JDSupra
[10:01]	techrights-news	"The employment agreement between professor Mohammed Islam and the university didn't automatically assign his #patents to it, and #Apple couldn't escape the case based on a lack of standing" https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/apple-must-face-apple-watch-patent-claims-fed-circ-affirms-2021-08-02/
[10:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple must face Apple Watch patent claims, Fed Circ. affirms | Reuters
[10:02]	techrights-news	Reaffirming the fact that #swpats are #fakepatents https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/08/06/apple-challenges-patent-troll-targeting-maps-navigation #apple #patentTrolls #uspto
[10:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple challenges patent troll targeting Maps navigation | AppleInsider
[10:04]	schestowitz-TR	gustaf: there are implementations in many languages
[10:04]	schestowitz-TR	we use bash and perl
[10:08]	techrights-news	 NEWS #uniToronto #Internet Some thoughts on new top-level domains being used for spam https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/spam/NewTLDsAndSpamForMe
[10:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/spam/NewTLDsAndSpamForMe
[10:09]	schestowitz-TR	gustaf: I can do C
[10:09]	schestowitz-TR	but it's overkill for gemini
[10:09]	schestowitz-TR	because gemini is really very simple
[10:09]	schestowitz-TR	and CLI implementations do make sense
[10:09]	schestowitz-TR	gemini is good for the environment
[10:09]	schestowitz-TR	lowers transmission and client-side work
[10:09]	schestowitz-TR	backups etc.
[10:10]	schestowitz-TR	better than that laughable "dark mode" hype
[10:14]	schestowitz-TR	surely a passing fad
[10:14]	schestowitz-TR	what's better than dark mode? a SMART "dark mode" with HEY HI on the CLOWN
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[10:58]	techrights-news	Scrollback in Techrights IRC (4 Methods) http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/ircv3-irc-scrollback/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/09/ircv3-irc-scrollback/
[10:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Scrollback in Techrights IRC (4 Methods) | Techrights
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[11:08]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: what was that url you got freenode graphs from?
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[11:25]	techrights-news	[Meme] Freenode Down to 4-Digit Usercount (Down 90% Since May) http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/its-still-over-9000/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/09/its-still-over-9000/
[11:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Freenode Down to 4-Digit Usercount (Down 90% Since May) | Techrights
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[11:46]	techrights-news	Links 9/8/2021: Linux 5.14 RC5, SME Server 10.0 Reviewed http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/review-sme-server-10-0/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/09/review-sme-server-10-0/
[11:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 9/8/2021: Linux 5.14 RC5, SME Server 10.0 Reviewed | Techrights
[11:49]	techrights-news	Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154307 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[11:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[11:54]	techrights-news	Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154308 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[11:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
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[12:18]	techrights-news	For reasons unknown to anyone, #Freenode continues to destroy itself; mandating registration ( #IRCcom ) has halved the number of online users (running the /lusers command shows the output below) http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/its-still-over-9000/ #Techrights #Internet #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/09/its-still-over-9000/
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[12:59]	techrights-news	[Meme] The Administrative Councils Strategy for Saving the EPO: Paying Up (Bribing) the Media and Lawyering Up #EPO Staff http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/epo-hiding-problems/ #corruption #europe #patents #bribery
[12:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The Administrative Councils Strategy for Saving the EPO: Paying Up (Bribing) the Media and Lawyering Up EPO Staff | Techrights
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[13:01]	schestowitz	 Scrolling up/back in #IRC (seeing things that happened while one was offline or after temporarily dropping the connection) is totally possible; herein we explain how thats done by the user (its implemented as per #IRCv3 specifications)   http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/ircv3-irc-scrollback/
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[13:15]	techrights-news	#AMD #FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR) comes to the PlayStation 3 emulator RPCS3 | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/amd-fidelityfx-super-resolution-fsr-comes-to-the-playstation-3-emulator-rpcs3 #GamingOnLinux
[13:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR) comes to the PlayStation 3 emulator RPCS3 | GamingOnLinux
[13:16]	blitzed	!COFFEE
[13:16]	schestowitz-TR	good luck?
[13:16]	techrights-news	"Another tick in the box for #Wayland to eventually properly replace #X11 for all workloads, as the work on DRM lease protocol support aimed at VR has been merged in." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/wayland-gets-drm-lease-protocol-support-to-help-vr-on-linux
[13:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wayland gets DRM lease protocol support to help VR on Linux | GamingOnLinux
[13:18]	techrights-news	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154309 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[13:19]	techrights-news	#Razer Peripherals Config App For Linux Polychromatic Sees First Major Stable Release In Three Years - #Linux Uprising Blog https://www.linuxuprising.com/2021/08/razer-peripherals-config-app-for-linux.html
[13:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxuprising.com | Razer Peripherals Config App For Linux Polychromatic Sees First Major Stable Release In Three Years - Linux Uprising Blog
[13:20]	blitzed	hiya schestowitz-TR /0
[13:20]	techrights-news	"Nepos Games have announced that their city-builder Nebuchadnezzar, which was inspired by the likes of Pharaoh, will be getting another big free update on September 15." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/isometric-city-builder-nebuchadnezzar-gets-fire-crime-a-diseases-on-september-15
[13:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Isometric city-builder Nebuchadnezzar gets Fire, Crime & Diseases on September 15 | GamingOnLinux
[13:21]	techrights-news	The #SteamDeck is already having a BIG impact. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLaHpCNQFUU #gnu #linux #games
[13:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Steam Deck is already having a BIG impact. - YouTube
[13:23]	techrights-news	#Mesa 21.0, Linux 5.11 Prepared For #Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Updates - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-20.04.3-LTS-Coming #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux
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[14:34]	techrights-news	#Games: Polychromatic, Nebuchadnezzar, and Steam Deck http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154310 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Polychromatic, Nebuchadnezzar, and Steam Deck | Tux Machines
[14:34]	techrights-news	#Graphics: Mesa, Wayland, AMD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154311 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: Mesa, Wayland, AMD | Tux Machines
[14:36]	techrights-news	#intel has been such a failure https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/08/09/intel-atom-x5-z8350-sbc-50-dollars/
[14:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Intel Atom x5-Z8350 SBC sells for as low as $50 shipped - CNX Software
[14:37]	techrights-news	"This article demonstrates how to write a simplified static analyzer in Dyninst." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/08/09/debugging-function-parameters-dyninst
[14:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Debugging function parameters with Dyninst | Red Hat Developer
[14:39]	techrights-news	"Plus how #PipeWire will improve day-to-day desktop life, Google's push for more kernel investments, and a lot more." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/145802/linux-action-news-201/
[14:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Linux Action News 201 | Jupiter Broadcasting
[14:40]	techrights-news	NMState: A declarative networking config tool - Fedora Magazine https://fedoramagazine.org/nmstate-a-declarative-networking-config-tool/ #Fedora #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linuxmagazine
[14:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | NMState: A declarative networking config tool - Fedora Magazine
[14:41]	techrights-news	Forcing Linux system password changes with the #chage command | Enable Sysadmin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/password-changes-chage-command #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux
[14:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Forcing Linux system password changes with the chage command | Enable Sysadmin
[14:42]	techrights-news	 #enterprisersproject would be better off just avoiding this buzzword https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/8/devsecops-pitfalls
[14:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | 8 DevSecOps pitfalls to avoid | The Enterprisers Project
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[14:54]	techrights-news	My First Impression When Using Archcraft Linux! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154313 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | My First Impression When Using Archcraft Linux! | Tux Machines
[14:55]	techrights-news	#IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154312 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[14:56]	techrights-news	The corrupt elements of the EPO have penetrated the Administrative Council, which was supposed to oversee the Office (and be able to remove risk) http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/epo-run-by-gangsters/ #Techrights #Europe #Corruption #EPO #Patents | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/09/epo-run-by-gangsters/
[14:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Corruption Virus at the EPO, Europes Largest and Most Important Patent Office | Techrights
[14:57]	techrights-news	Maybe the Administrative Council will hold EPO management accountable. Or maybe not http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/epo-hiding-problems/ #Techrights #Europe #Corruption #EPO #Patents | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/09/epo-hiding-problems/
[14:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The Administrative Councils Strategy for Saving the EPO: Paying Up (Bribing) the Media and Lawyering Up EPO Staff | Techrights
[14:59]	psydruid	> [notice] The Steam Deck is already having a BIG impact. - YouTube
[14:59]	psydruid	M$ shills are heavily complaining about "unfair competition" and "having an agenda" (LOL) from Valve in NL, I don't know how that is in so-called tech media around the world
[14:59]	techrights-news	#ROS2 is #Ubuntu #GNU / #Linux based https://www.roboticstomorrow.com/news/2021/08/09/ros2-on-site-training-ros2-basics-ros2-nav2-manipulation-with-movelt2/17284/
[14:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ROS2 On-Site Training: ROS2 Basics + ROS2 Nav2 + Manipulation with Movelt2 | RoboticsTomorrow
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[15:00]	schestowitz-TR	psydruid: maybe Microsft sites wrote about it
[15:00]	schestowitz-TR	very coy
[15:01]	techrights-news	Seq is #GNU #coreutils rather than "Command in Linux" https://linuxhandbook.com/seq-command/
[15:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxhandbook.com | Seq Command in Linux [Explained With Examples]
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[15:02]	techrights-news	#Ripgrep needs to #deletegithub https://www.linuxshelltips.com/ripgrep-search-tool-linux/ #ProprietarySoftware that promotes #racism http://techrights.org/2021/07/29/github-is-racism/
[15:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxshelltips.com | Ripgrep The Fastest Command Line Search Tool for Linux
[15:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHub is Racism | Techrights
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[15:07]	techrights-news	Disappointing but not so shocking (given its history) to see #dedoimedo shilling some #microsoft #vapourware in 'howto' form. #vista11 #hype
[15:10]	techrights-news	#Rav1e needs to #deletegithub https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rav1e-0.5-Beta it also drags in #rustlang which is promoting and spreading #microsoft #racism http://techrights.org/2021/07/29/github-is-racism/
[15:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rav1e 0.5 Beta Released For This Rust-Written AV1 Encoder - Phoronix
[15:10]	techrights-news	#Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154314 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[15:13]	techrights-news	Linux Release Roundup #21.32: Nitrux 1.5.1, GNOME Web Canary, and More New Releases http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154094#comment-30495
[15:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Release Announcement: Nitrux 1.5.1 | Tux Machines
[15:16]	MinceR	09 103108 < wallacer> IRC seems to be on a suicide path
[15:16]	MinceR	IRC isn't
[15:16]	MinceR	major networks are
[15:17]	MinceR	but the major networks have sucked for ages, so who cares
[15:18]	techrights-news	Contribute to #OpenStreetMap from #surveillance devices with back doors (which you think you own) https://opensource.com/article/21/8/streetcomplete-quests
[15:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Contribute to OpenStreetMap from your phone | Opensource.com
[15:19]	techrights-news	PICO DSP is an #Arduino compatible #ESP32 development board for audio and DSP applications (Crowdfunding) https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/08/09/pico-dsp-arduino-esp32-development-board-audio-dsp/
[15:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | PICO DSP is an Arduino compatible ESP32 development board for audio and DSP applications (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software
[15:20]	techrights-news	#RadeonSI Lands Regression Fix For ~10x Higher CPU Usage For Some Games http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154315 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | RadeonSI Lands Regression Fix For ~10x Higher CPU Usage For Some Games | Tux Machines
[15:21]	techrights-news	"Love #LibreOffice too? Want to help us spread the word about it, and other #freesw projects?" https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/08/09/community-member-monday-jesse-moreira/
[15:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Community Member Monday: Jess Moreira - The Document Foundation Blog
[15:23]	techrights-news	"The board runs #Linux on Qualcomm QCS603 IoT processor for [buzzword] and #computervision applications" https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/08/09/compact-h-265-4k-video-encoder-is-made-for-embedded-medical-and-military-applications/
[15:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Compact H.265 4K video encoder is made for embedded, medical, and military applications - CNX Software
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[15:25]	techrights-news	#Synopsys Looks To Remove Oldest ARC CPU Support From The Linux Kernel - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ARC750-Drop-Linux-Patches Synopsys are anti- #linux provocateurs and parasites with #microsoft connections http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Black_Duck
[15:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Synopsys Looks To Remove Oldest ARC CPU Support From The Linux Kernel - Phoronix
[15:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Black Duck - Techrights
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[15:27]	techrights-news	#SouthAfrica eager to show that it has the very dumbest #patent office in the world https://qz.com/africa/2044477/south-africa-grants-patent-to-an-ai-system-known-as-dabus/ also see http://techrights.org/wiki/Software_Patents_in_South_Africa
[15:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qz.com | South Africa grants patent to an AIsystem known as DABUS Quartz Africa
[15:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Patents in South Africa - Techrights
[15:29]	techrights-news	Does #SouthAfrica media even realise that this is a badge of shame? They got tricked or trolled into doing something phenomenally stupid. https://citizen.co.za/lifestyle/technology/2588709/dabus-south-africa-approved-the-worlds-first-ai-invented-patent/
[15:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-citizen.co.za | DABUS: South Africa approved the world's first AI-invented patent
[15:31]	techrights-news	#Australia courts got rick-rolled and gave a go-ahead to something that makes them look like the world's joke, incapable of understanding they give #patents to bots because of stupid #buzzwords https://dcc.com/news-and-insights/one-small-step-for-man-one-giant-leap-for-ai-australian-court-finds-dabus-can-be-an-inventor/
[15:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dcc.com | One small step for man, one giant leap for AI: Australian Court finds DABUS can be an inventor - Davies Collison Cave
[15:34]	techrights-news	This list self-nuke for promoting a #scam called #DuckDuckGo https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-deep-web-search-engines/ stop pushing this #microsoft #fraud ! They're tricking people into self-harm. http://techrights.org/2021/03/15/duckduckgo-in-2021/
[15:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | The 11 Best Deep Web Search Engines to Find What Google Can't - Make Tech Easier
[15:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why You Should Avoid DuckDuckGo (DDG) 2021 Edition, Now Microsoft-Hosted and With Extra Privacy Risks | Techrights
[15:35]	techrights-news	Play #SNES SPC audio files from your browser using original hardware and Arduino | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/08/09/play-snes-spc-audio-files-from-your-browser-using-original-hardware-and-arduino/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking
[15:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Play SNES SPC audio files from your browser using original hardware and Arduino | Arduino Blog
[15:40]	techrights-news	Feeling Bored? You Can Play Tetris on the Linux Terminal http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154316 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Feeling Bored? You Can Play Tetris on the Linux Terminal | Tux Machines
[15:41]	techrights-news	#Windows Update is technically a botnet of #malware and I fail to see why anybody with technical skill would allow such malicious programs on one's PC. #GNU #Linux is vastly better in every way. https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/windows-delivery-optimization.html
[15:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ctrl.blog | How to make Windows Update prioritize Delivery Optimization downloads
[15:43]	techrights-news	Download mp3 files linked in a RSS podcast feed https://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/25469/download-mp3-files-linked-in-a-rss-podcast-feed
[15:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commandlinefu.com | Download mp3 files linked in a RSS podcast feed Using grep, sort, xargs
[15:44]	techrights-news	Ben Hutchings: #Debian LTS work, July 2021 https://www.decadent.org.uk/ben/blog/debian-lts-work-july-2021.html #gnu #linux
[15:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.decadent.org.uk | Better living through software - Ben Hutchings's diary of life and technology
[15:46]	XRevan86	schestowitz: The graphs broke.
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[15:46]	XRevan86	I think they were plotted with an unregistered bot as well.
[15:47]	techrights-news	#FOSSlife wants us to think every software project is owned and controlled by #microsoft https://www.fosslife.org/study-analyzes-race-bias-software-development #deletegithub ... it is RACIST by design and it's Microsoft's fault: http://techrights.org/2021/07/29/github-is-racism/
[15:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | Study Analyzes Race Bias in Software Development
[15:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHub is Racism | Techrights
[15:49]	techrights-news	#SteamPlay tool #Luxtorpeda gets some needed upgrades and better KDE Plasma support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154317 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Steam Play tool Luxtorpeda gets some needed upgrades and better KDE Plasma support | Tux Machines
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[15:51]	techrights-news	Arch Linux, Clear Linux & Ubuntu Against #Vista10 / #Vapourware On Intel Rocket Lake http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154318 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Arch Linux, Clear Linux & Ubuntu Against Windows 10/11 On Intel Rocket Lake | Tux Machines
[15:52]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: I see...
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[15:52]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: anyway, see my meme, I ended up using /lusers
[15:53]	schestowitz-TR	of the 9500 remaining users 2 are mine
[15:53]	schestowitz-TR	and they are NOT registered
[15:53]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Ye should have at least one registered one, as ye are a chanop there.
[15:53]	schestowitz-TR	27 users online in FN #techrights ATM
[15:54]	schestowitz-TR	some of them are the same people as people here
[15:54]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: if it comes down to it, I might
[15:54]	schestowitz-TR	right now all the activity there is 'imported'
[15:54]	schestowitz-TR	so moderation is not needed
[15:55]	schestowitz-TR	the channels are regisered by me
[15:55]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Also ye can configure NickServ to allow multiple connections from your nick both in here and on fleenode.
[15:55]	schestowitz-TR	unless they intend to wipe off ALL users again... except those who signed up in irc.com
[15:55]	XRevan86	schestowitz: "the channels are regisered by me" well, yea, ye have registration. Ye can use it.
[15:56]		*XRevan86 can't help but share solutions, even for pointless problems.
[15:56]	XRevan86	* can't help myself but
[15:57]	schestowitz-TR	a channel with zero activity has a value of nezo
[15:57]	schestowitz-TR	zero
[15:57]	schestowitz-TR	even if it has a million users
[15:57]	schestowitz-TR	zero times million is still zero
[15:58]	schestowitz-TR	a million people writing and reading nothing at all means nothing comes in, nothing comes out. zilch in, zilch out.
[15:58]	schestowitz-TR	and this seems to be what freenode become in a matter of 2-3 months
[15:59]	schestowitz-TR	*has become
[15:59]	schestowitz-TR	it is amusing they report 22 servers on freenode
[15:59]	schestowitz-TR	that's like 500 users per server
[15:59]	schestowitz-TR	over-provisioned
[15:59]	schestowitz-TR	unless it's some very small VM for each
● Aug 09
[16:00]	schestowitz-TR	maybe alex has lots of unused servers
[16:00]	schestowitz-TR	shells.com expected more demand
[16:00]	schestowitz-TR	and all the paid-for 'articles' and sponsored 'vloggers' or youtube 'influencers' don't 'deliver'
[16:01]	XRevan86	schestowitz: I assume they don't have donated servers anymore.
[16:01]	schestowitz-TR	Empire that never was, in decline...
[16:01]	techrights-news	"Have you completed #UnderMine h Might be time to jump back into this dungeon crawling action adventure as the 1.2 update is out now to celebrate a year since release." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/dungeon-crawling-action-adventure-undermine-gets-a-big-update-for-the-end-game
[16:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dungeon crawling action adventure UnderMine gets a big update for the end-game | GamingOnLinux
[16:02]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Is it still above 9000?
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[16:03]	techrights-news	#DebDroidng needs to #deletegithub https://bkhome.org/news/202108/debdroid-ng-works-great.html #DebDroid ought not help #microsoft promote #racism http://techrights.org/2021/07/29/github-is-racism/
[16:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | DebDroid-ng works great
[16:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHub is Racism | Techrights
[16:03]	XRevan86	https://tinyurl.com/ey43u3h8 access denied.
[16:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/document-api-images-live.ch.gov.uk/docs/jSUi1tz5l42Dr5XmiXqIZMhOuWMbkbqYJetpcfFM7QA/application-pdf?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAWRGBDBV3EWUUMGO3%2F20210809%2Feu-west-2%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20210809T041418Z&X-Amz-Expires=60&X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjEIP%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCWV1LXdlc3QtMiJIMEYCIQDl6cMufM6TejtNXy1MDupAjE2IMorP ...
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[16:04]	schestowitz	* Current global users: 9490  Max: 22832
[16:04]	schestowitz	5 hours ago:
[16:05]	schestowitz	* Current global users: 9561  Max: 22832
[16:05]	schestowitz	71 users fewer
[16:05]	XRevan86	So about 300 users a day.
[16:05]	schestowitz	in % terms that would like like 710 fewer than 95,000
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[16:06]	schestowitz	number of servers: 27
[16:06]	schestowitz	so make that like 400:1 users:servers ratio
[16:06]	schestowitz	9 operators
[16:06]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Should reach DALnet by the end of the week.
[16:06]	schestowitz	* There are 1097 users and 8393 invisible on 27 servers
[16:07]	schestowitz	might that mean 1100 unregistered?
[16:07]	schestowitz	[16:03] <XRevan86> https://tinyurl.com/ey43u3h8 access denied.
[16:07]	schestowitz	wow, did they configure aws to block russia?
[16:08]	schestowitz	because... that would be kind of racist, methinks
[16:08]	schestowitz	esp. for a government agency
[16:08]	schestowitz	we have a PM called Borus with Estonia roots
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[16:11]	XRevan86	schestowitz: TechrightsBot-tr also showed 403. Unless it's in Russia :). The link probably expired.
[16:12]	techrights-news	#Planner: A Beautiful #FreeSW Task Management App http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154319 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[16:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Planner: A Beautiful Open-Source Task Management App | Tux Machines
[16:12]	XRevan86	Although, TechrightsBot-tr showed 403 hours ago too, hm.
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[16:13]	schestowitz-TR	does it work from the landing page/
[16:14]	schestowitz-TR	maybe you need to enter the page for a cookie firsta
[16:14]	schestowitz-TR	and then aws uses a session id
[16:14]	schestowitz-TR	https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11080278/filing-history
[16:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk | FREEDOMTECH SOLUTIONS LIMITED - Filing history (free information from Companies House)
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[16:14]	schestowitz-TR	follow links from there
[16:15]	techrights-news	#WordPress 5.8 and #DigitalOcean Droplets http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154320 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[16:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WordPress 5.8 and DigitalOcean Droplets | Tux Machines
[16:15]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Which one?
[16:16]	XRevan86	And yea, those are definitely temporary links.
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[16:19]	techrights-news	#BittersweetBirthday brings a mix of a boss-rush adventure with exploration | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/bittersweet-birthday-brings-a-mix-of-a-boss-rush-adventure-with-exploration #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games
[16:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bittersweet Birthday brings a mix of a boss-rush adventure with exploration | GamingOnLinux
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[16:21]	techrights-news	Historical Strategy Game #0AD Alpha 25 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154283#comment-30496
[16:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: GNU/Linux Gaming Predictions, Valve Steam Deck,and 0 A.D. | Tux Machines
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[16:23]	techrights-news	#HPC Efficiency Gurus Grapple with AMDs RAPL https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/08/09/hpc-efficiency-gurus-grapple-with-amds-rapl/ #nextplatform | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/09/#latest
[16:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nextplatform.com | HPC Efficiency Gurus Grapple with AMDs RAPL
[16:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
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[16:25]	techrights-news	#google gives some money to #gnome and the work goes to racist #microsoft #github https://dnuka.github.io/gsoc21-internship-update.html #deletegithub
[16:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dnuka.github.io | GSoC 21: GNOME/libsecret project update
[16:25]	techrights-news	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154321 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[16:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[16:26]	techrights-news	Red Hat #OpenShift helps customers meet demands faster https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-openshift-helps-customers-meet-demands-faster #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux
[16:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Red Hat OpenShift helps customers meet demands faster
[16:27]	techrights-news	This only ever works on a small set of people http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/08/guest-post-chinas-path-to-regulating.html
[16:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [Guest post] Chinas path to regulating facial recognition technology - The IPKat
[16:29]	techrights-news	#Litigation firm #UDL pushing illegal #softwarepatents ; but it is supported by the bunch of gangsters that runs the #EPO and threatens/besieged judges when the question comes up Litigation firm UDL pushing illegal software patents; but it is supported by the bunch of gangsters that runs the EPO and threatens/besieged judges when the question comes up #swpats
[16:30]	techrights-news	#Litigation firm #UDL pushing illegal #softwarepatents ; but it is supported by the bunch of gangsters that runs the #EPO and threatens/besieged judges when the question comes up https://www.udl.co.uk/insights/how-to-patent-autonomous-vehicle-simulations #swpats
[16:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.udl.co.uk | How to patent autonomous vehicle simulations
[16:33]	techrights-news	#Diamyd fails to take into account the fact that today's #EPO grants lots of #fakepatents that don't have even the slimmest chance of withstanding challenge in court (enforcement), they're just some piece of paper https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/diamyd-medical-secures-precision-medicine-patent-for-prevention-and-treatment-of-autoimmune-diabetes-301350897.html see http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/epo-potential-improvements/
[16:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Diamyd Medical secures precision medicine patent for prevention and treatment of autoimmune diabetes
[16:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Staff Representation Again Warns About Collapse in Patent Quality (Due to Bad Management), Suggests Potential Improvements | Techrights
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[16:37]	techrights-news	#Splitgate continues expanding server capacity and smashing records | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/splitgate-continues-expanding-server-capacity-and-smashing-records #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 
[16:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Splitgate continues expanding server capacity and smashing records | GamingOnLinux
[16:38]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/21070153
[16:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5637489)
[16:38]	techrights-news	Best #Games for #GNU #Linux That Work Natively - Linux Stans https://linuxstans.com/best-games-for-linux/ #linuxstans
[16:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxstans.com | Best Games for Linux That Work Natively - Linux Stans
[16:39]	schestowitz	MinceR: but can Tom sink the largest IRC network in 2 months?
[16:40]	MinceR	\_()_/
[16:40]	techrights-news	Sometimes, it falls upon a generation to be great. You can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom. Late former president Nelson Mandela. https://www.iol.co.za/news/nkalakatha-of-the-week-south-africans-showing-ubuntu-95dfd794-356e-4e0c-a8f2-40487b5036eb
[16:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iol.co.za | Nkalakatha of the week: South Africans showing Ubuntu
[16:42]	techrights-news	#OpenHardware and Devices With GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154322 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[16:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware and Devices With GNU/Linux | Tux Machines
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[16:45]	techrights-news	#SitePoint is now spamming racist #ProprietarySoftware of #Microsoft ... I've long seen that site shilling Microsoft, but encouraging #GPLViolations is a new low.
[16:46]	techrights-news	Wait, what? #facebook does even WORSE things https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/apple-iphone-photo-scanning-messages-whatsapp-privacy-b1899360.html e.g. https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/03/before-suing-nso-group-facebook-allegedly-sought-their-software-to-better-spy-on-users/
[16:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | WhatsApp and privacy experts sound alarm about privacy implications of new Apple photo scanning feature | The Independent
[16:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Before suing NSO Group, Facebook allegedly sought their software to better spy on users TechCrunch
[16:48]	techrights-news	By "HEY HI" they just mean "computer programs" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tech-prison/us-prisons-mull-ai-to-analyze-inmate-phone-calls-idUSKBN2FA0OO
[16:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-U.S. prisons mull AI to analyze inmate phone calls | Reuters
[16:49]	techrights-news	PDF is bad for #accessibility so if you value people with disability you will use a different format altogether https://www.valdostadailytimes.com/news/business/the-pdf-ua-foundation-launches-new-pdf-accessibility-checker-pac-2021/article_62f8ffc9-0c46-531e-aa0a-44a5db52e9d0.html
[16:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The PDF/UA Foundation Launches New PDF Accessibility Checker PAC 2021 | Business | valdostadailytimes.com
[16:50]	techrights-news	"Today's Internet is dominated by Javascript, WebRTC, and many other frameworks that make sites too heavy to use on old hardware." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006990.html
[16:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Gemini Digest, Vol 25, Issue 5
[16:50]	techrights-news	"Just to say, that the expectations inherent within a fully functioning government and its range* of monopolies/monosopolies COULD permit government services to be exclusively provided by Gemini." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006991.html
[16:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Gemini Digest, Vol 25, Issue 5
[16:51]	techrights-news	#Games: UnderMine, Bittersweet Birthday, Splitgate, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154323 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[16:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: UnderMine, Bittersweet Birthday, Splitgate, and More | Tux Machines
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[16:58]	techrights-news	#ddos attack on #techrights and I can only guess what triggers that
● Aug 09
[17:00]	techrights-news	#watchtroll death cult again attacking #covid19 #patent waivers. They want MILLIONS of people to needlessly die for corporate #monopolies and predation. A site for greedy sociopaths http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Watchtroll
[17:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Watchtroll - Techrights
[17:00]	techrights-news	#Security Leftovers (and Abandoning Old Hardware in Linux) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154324 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers (and Abandoning Old Hardware in Linux) | Tux Machines
[17:03]	techrights-news	#uspto knows that #patent quality has done far too low https://www.iam-media.com/patents/uspto-eligibility-study-possible-prelude-legislation see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/USPTO
[17:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | USPTO patent eligibility study looks like groundwork for legislation | IAM
[17:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | USPTO - Techrights
[17:05]	techrights-news	"They want people to quit. Cheaper than layoffs. It's those companies looking to reduce headcount that are mandating the vaccine. For those who refuse vaccination, company can pick and choose who to let go for not following policy." #ibm https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cecaatd#replies
[17:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Red Hat issues vaccine mandate for employees - post regarding IBM layoffs
[17:06]	techrights-news	"Yes, at some point, #IBM will probably insist that we employees start working." IBM is a dying firm. It engages in financial manipulation now. https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1c8mhQCW#replies
[17:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Return to work - post regarding IBM layoffs
[17:07]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.28   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 71.01 swarm size (avg): 276.57  
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[17:19]	techrights-news	Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154325 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[17:22]	techrights-news	Links 9/8/2021: Rav1e 0.5 Beta and a Look at Widgets in WordPress 5.8 http://techrights.org/2021/08/09/rav1e-0-5-beta/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/09/rav1e-0-5-beta/
[17:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 9/8/2021: Rav1e 0.5 Beta and a Look at Widgets in WordPress 5.8 | Techrights
[17:24]	techrights-news	"There is no mandatory RTO policy. It's volunteer and you have to sign up/reserve a seat somewhere on each day you would like to go in. You also have to wear a mask 100% of the time. It's not possible to make everybody go in due to lack of space." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cadsUqC#replies
[17:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM RTO Master Thread - post regarding IBM layoffs
[17:24]	techrights-news	"Who's signing up to share a toilet with your nasty coworkers? Good grief there are some freak shows out there." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cadsUqC#replies
[17:25]		*DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@swkigmbxm6feg.irc) has joined #techrights
[17:25]	techrights-news	" #IBM will set the requirement... your choice will be, meet the requirement or leave." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1c8mhQCW#replies
[17:26]	techrights-news	"Unfortunately... our economic system is designed for something quite the opposite... to extract value from the worker bees for as long as possible, as cheaply as possible." #ibm #layoffs https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1ccNnWuS#replies
[17:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Measuring success - post regarding IBM layoffs
[17:27]	techrights-news	"Can confirm. #Kyndryl is being "over stuffed" #IBM will still have mass layoff after split. #Marketing hits heavy with reorg" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bNN1GXW#replies
[17:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | RA Projections - IBM vs. Kyndryl? - post regarding IBM layoffs
[17:28]	techrights-news	"The other qualifying event is does #IBM consider you strategic? If they dont consider your product strategic, your performance doesnt matter to them and you will be shown the door no matter how large your current attainment" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cb04k5G#replies
[17:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | It's purely a financial decision - post regarding IBM layoffs
[17:29]	techrights-news	Red Hat/IBM Got Tired of RMS. Is It Getting 'Tired of GPL/Copyleft Too? http://techrights.org/2020/06/04/tired-of-rms-winning/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW
[17:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Red Hat/IBM Got Tired of RMS. Is It Getting Tired of GPL/Copyleft Too? | Techrights
[17:29]	DaemonFC	Major storms today and it'll be over 100 again tomorrow.
[17:30]	DaemonFC	I try to keep it at 72 in here during the day and 66 at night. I have a lot of sleep problems already and feeling like I'm suffocating because of the temperature doesn't help.
[17:30]	schestowitz	#IBM and the Bomb - Part VI: Diplomacy Replaced With Trade (Money Over Politics), or How Watson Jr. Was Sold to the Public, in the Same Way His Father (IBM Co-founder) Sold His Business Relationship With Dictators Like Hitler http://techrights.org/2020/08/02/ibm-and-the-bomb-part-6-final/
[17:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and the Bomb Part VI: Diplomacy Replaced With Trade (Money Over Politics), or How Watson Jr. Was Sold to the Public, in the Same Way His Father (IBM Co-founder) Sold His Business Relationship With Dictators Like Hitler | Techrights
[17:30]	DaemonFC	So I'm actually glad that electric prices have been politicized.
[17:31]	DaemonFC	Otherwise those might have gone up 20% like meat or something.
[17:31]	DaemonFC	If they enact this vehicle miles tax, then we're going to go down to Springfield and skin these people alive.
[17:31]	DaemonFC	They won't need to worry about an election next year.
[17:32]	DaemonFC	They already doubled the per-gallon tax. If they do VMT on gasoline vehicles too, then fuck them to death!
[17:32]	DaemonFC	That's my opinion on VMT. They should do VMT or a very expensive electric vehicle plate tax, on EVs only.
[17:32]	MinceR	lol
[17:33]	DaemonFC	They aren't trying to spin this as a CARBON BAD!!! CARBON BAAAAD! tax.
[17:34]	DaemonFC	They say more efficient vehicles, which they mandated, are tearing up the roads and freeloading.
[17:34]	DaemonFC	So the best way to handle that would be to charge a tax on registration that is based on how many mpg equivalent your car gets per the EPA, which posts this.
[17:35]	DaemonFC	For example, on a 2003 Impala, I should pay 2/3rds of the tax that a 2018 Kia Soul+ should pay, and about half of what a Tesla owner does.
[17:35]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Since I already have insurance tracking my miles to bill me for what I use, I finally decided to plot the most efficient course to take Mandy to work.
[17:36]	DaemonFC	I managed to reduce the mileage by 12.4% by asking Waze for all of the options available on how to get there.
[17:36]	DaemonFC	Then I pulled up a calculator. Turns out that I only save $20 on insurance over the year by doing this, but I save $115 on gasoline.
[17:36]	MinceR	i wonder when will politicians realize that even BEVs cause emissions
[17:37]	DaemonFC	At least in theory. So I took each route and times average speed and number of stop lights.
[17:37]	DaemonFC	They're pretty similar, so the lower mileage route would seem to be more fuel efficient.
[17:37]	DaemonFC	I'll track how much gas I put in my car the next few weeks.
[17:40]	DaemonFC	MinceR, That engine was extremely out of tune when I got it.
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[17:41]	DaemonFC	I fixed all of the cheap and stupid reasons why it was getting poorer fuel economy than it was able to.
[17:41]	DaemonFC	It went from about 11-12 mpg to about 17-18 in the city.
[17:41]	DaemonFC	But I don't think it can do better than that.
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[17:42]	DaemonFC	At this point, I just need to find the most efficient routes to get where I'm going.
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[17:42]	DaemonFC	Plot errands that are along the same route.
[17:42]	DaemonFC	Not drive like a maniac on the freeway. Things like that.
[17:43]	DaemonFC	I noticed along the freeway you can get up to 34 miles per gallon at 55 miles per hour and as little as 25 miles per gallon at 85.
[17:44]	DaemonFC	I've never had a car where the fuel mileage was this far apart between city and highway.
[17:45]	DaemonFC	Every car does have its optimal fuel mileage. It seems that this car, on the highway, starts dropping at 62 miles per hour, and quite noticeably after 66 miles per hour.
[17:45]	DaemonFC	After about 72 miles per hour, it starts dropping off steeply.
[17:46]	DaemonFC	So I try not to exceed 70 unless I simply have to cover a lot of ground in a short time.
[17:47]	DaemonFC	With this traffic court thing already pending, I may not want to exceed 60 even on the freeway.
[17:47]	DaemonFC	All I need is a second strike on my license before I even clear this up.
[17:48]	DaemonFC	I don't know how court works in other countries, but here, the prosecutor takes his turn and tries to throw all the shit he can at you in order to offer a very bad plea bargain.
[17:48]	DaemonFC	If he can say "Oh, you got caught speeding and have court down in Cook County?", then what I'm already going in for is going to be so much worse.
[17:50]	DaemonFC	It's more worth it for people to plead guilty and take supervision if they're already in danger of losing their license. I have less reason to do so because I still have the full three convictions in a year before they can take mine.
[17:50]	DaemonFC	I can sink one as long as nothing else happens for a while. Therefore, I can go to court and take my chances.
[17:50]	DaemonFC	So it functions as a reward for shitty drivers who are in court all the time.
[17:50]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Or "justice" as I like to call it. :)
[17:51]	DaemonFC	"You know the thing. Just pay us money and we won't sic the insurance people on you. Next!"
[17:54]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Part of me wants to rip up the ticket and mail it back to the police department if I beat it.
[17:54]	DaemonFC	But the other part says leave it alone.
[17:55]	DaemonFC	Sure they're assholes, but if they remember you and that they don't like you, they'll make a point that bad things happen to you every time they see you.
[17:58]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, Cops used to be off limits to the gangs in Chicago. They knew that if you blew away a cop, you'd bring a can of whoopass down on the entire gang.
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[17:58]	DaemonFC	Yesterday, they just murdered one and the other is in the hospital and it's 50/50 that they ever get out, and this happens more and more.
[17:58]	DaemonFC	Thanks to Lightfoot, Foxx, and Pritzker, they know they can get away with anything now.
[17:59]	DaemonFC	The Big Black Cauc(us) bills to repeal the justice system in Illinois that Jabba the Pritzker has been signing surely haven't helped, even though the worst of it has yet to take effect.
● Aug 09
[18:00]	DaemonFC	I actually agree with the proposal to make credit scoring illegal on car insurance. Not because it's "racist". People have bad credit because they didn't pay their bills. Because it has nothing to do with car insurance except that black people will respond to $350 a month PLPD by not having insurance at all and then the problem rebounds on everyone else.
[18:01]	DaemonFC	As both higher premiums and having to buy uninsured motorist riders that cost more.
[18:02]	DaemonFC	If you're already on the run from child support, landlords, payday loan companies, and some open warrants, what's car insurance at that point?
[18:03]	DaemonFC	Maybe they'll repeal child support next. After all, it takes a village to raise an idiot. Why expect the dad to pay some of the bills?
[18:05]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/21071558
[18:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5678071)
[18:06]	DaemonFC	MinceR, On Facebook: "Apparently, the Lt. Governor of Massachusetts wasn't wearing his seatbelt and walked away from a 100+ mph car crash without any serious injuries. I think they need to check that guy to see if Skynet sent him back from the future, personally.
[18:06]	DaemonFC	"Obviously something has changed. The likely explanation is that people were driving faster during & after the pandemic."
[18:06]	DaemonFC	Well, thanks to Jabba the Pritzker repealing our criminal justice system, it's harder for the courts to enforce their rulings even if they want to. You can get traffic court fines now and never lose your license even if you don't pay. How do you like that? Of course, that would just be one guess."
[18:07]	DaemonFC	I was responding to someone else who said the pandemic is why we've been seeing an uptick in traffic scofflaws. 
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[18:16]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: what happened next?
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[18:18]	MinceR	\_()_/
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[18:28]	CrystalMath	schestowitz-TR: <Ariadne> atheme does not provide support for freenode, or networks operated by its associates.
[18:29]	CrystalMath	schestowitz-TR: just notifying you of the behavior of the garbage that you drag around with techrights
[18:29]	CrystalMath	and that makes techrights stink so bad
[18:29]	Ariadne	the four freedoms of freenode, and its associates are not impacted by our refusal to provide technical support
[18:30]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: that changes nothing about what you are as a person
[18:30]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL9Y24ciNWs
[18:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's the smell. - YouTube
[18:30]	DaemonFC	Freenode has collapsed.
[18:30]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: somebody who does not provide support to freenode or its associates?
[18:30]	DaemonFC	And this crap going on with PIA makes me seriously wonder if I want to continue with them as my VPN provider in November when my account is up for renewal.
[18:30]	Ariadne	i'm sorry, i wasn't aware that you get to define what i spend my time on
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[18:31]	DaemonFC	Freenode doesn't seem to acknowledge that there are so few users left there's little point in going on at this point.
[18:31]	Ariadne	i believe schestowitz is quite aware of my views regarding using organized labor
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[18:31]	DaemonFC	Unions can be good or bad.
[18:31]	Ariadne	it's quite funny, because this is a tactic invented by RMS himself
[18:32]	DaemonFC	Many of them negotiate harder for what's good for them than what's good for the employees they claim to represent.
[18:32]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: oh i don't, but your extension to associates (and associates of associates) is what i'm pointing out
[18:32]	DaemonFC	Walmart is non-union and the employee compensation is better than jewel-osco, which has a union and a contract, and dues coming out of your check every week.
[18:33]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/21063049
[18:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5635001)
[18:33]	DaemonFC	The unions haven't managed to bargain for better working conditions at jewel. In fact, a higher percentage of jewel employees are part time, which makes it even harder to use the job to pay for your life expenses.
[18:33]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: i mean, i don't think it is surprising that the IRC equivalent to the FSF refuses to provide support to a person who took over 700+ channels and shut them down
[18:34]	DaemonFC	Frito-Lay isn't budging on their contract offer.
[18:34]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: lol "IRC equivalent to the FSF"
[18:34]	Ariadne	i also do not think it is surprising that others who have a nexus with that person would fall into the embargo too.
[18:34]	DaemonFC	Increasingly, the unions just take your money and make endless concessions.
[18:34]	CrystalMath	yeah the FSF is known for embargoes, is it?
[18:34]	DaemonFC	At that point, you're getting whatever the employer feels like giving you anyway, so why have the union?
[18:34]	MinceR	the FSF is known for bending over for its enemies lately
[18:34]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: they have embargoed features in GNU software before until such time that GNU/Linux had feature parity.
[18:34]	CrystalMath	MinceR: honestly that's better than the complete opposite, but also not ideal
[18:35]	DaemonFC	What we need, are laws.
[18:35]	MinceR	whatever
[18:35]	MinceR	just don't expect them to do anything worthwhile
[18:35]	DaemonFC	Those unions for grocery store workers "bargained" for how many years in Illinois, without raising the wage to $15?
[18:35]	DaemonFC	One law and now they have to pay at least $15.
[18:35]	CrystalMath	also the IRC equivalent of the FSF doesn't understand free software, and even outright opposes it by attacking RMS
[18:36]	Ariadne	atheme has never commented on RMS
[18:36]	DaemonFC	I refuse to shop at Kroger or Jewel/Albertsons.
[18:36]	CrystalMath	its members attack RMS on twitter
[18:36]	CrystalMath	this is the IRC equivalent of the SFC, really
[18:36]	Ariadne	its members have freedom of speech, and are allowed to say what they wish
[18:36]	DaemonFC	They were both gloating about raising prices on groceries WAAAAAY higher than inflation required them to.
[18:36]	DaemonFC	To get "better margins". They know people will get pissed and blame the entire thing on Biden.
[18:36]	CrystalMath	and the SFC is full of horrible garbage people that should never be listened to
[18:36]	DaemonFC	So if they only need to raise prices 4%, they raise them 8%.
[18:37]	DaemonFC	Then brag at investor meetings.
[18:37]	Ariadne	you're just mad that freenode staff have to make decisions about whether to stay affiliated with freenode
[18:37]	DaemonFC	It fucking pisses me off, honestly, that we're out here busting our humps just trying to make ends meet and those fucking grocery store CEOs are gloating about this.
[18:37]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: the people you were talking to aren't so strongly affiliated anymore
[18:37]	CrystalMath	i mean, it's kinda hard to be
[18:38]	DaemonFC	Gratuitous and unnecessary price hikes.
[18:38]	Ariadne	the person i was talking about, Foxy, is still known to be a staffer and thus remains on the embargo list.
[18:38]	CrystalMath	if freenode did do what Andrew Lee said, been an IRC network for free speech and right-wing free software development, i would have loved it
[18:38]	CrystalMath	i would have done everything for it
[18:38]	DaemonFC	I've noticed that Aldi and Walmart still seem to be at least _trying_ to not make this inflation worse than it has to be.
[18:38]	CrystalMath	sadly these latest moves are terrible and go against this goal
[18:38]	Ariadne	too bad he's just another grifter, huh
[18:38]	MinceR	making lists of people, so hot right now
[18:39]	DaemonFC	And I respect them for that. They aren't pissing on us and telling us it's raining.
[18:39]	DaemonFC	So I'll shop there.
[18:39]	CrystalMath	MinceR: i guess there's still IRCNow
[18:39]	Ariadne	MinceR: i mean, i don't have a list per se of people, i just check freenode.net/staff or whatever it is
[18:39]	MinceR	i don't know ircnow
[18:39]	Ariadne	foxy screwed up by reminding us that she was affiliated with both networks
[18:39]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I picked up a receipt from Walmart in the parking lot yesterday. Often, there's iBotta rebates on them and someone didn't claim them.
[18:40]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: both?
[18:40]	DaemonFC	So I pick it up and it's all steak, lobster, snow crab.
[18:40]	MinceR	i hate this effort to bring two-party politics into what used to be free software development
[18:40]	Ariadne	freenode, and evilnet
[18:40]	DaemonFC	I get to the bottom and it's food stamps.
[18:40]	DaemonFC	Because of course it is.
[18:40]	MinceR	but Lee didn't fire the first shot in that, afaict
[18:40]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: well you can check freenode.net/people
[18:40]	CrystalMath	the list has in fact gotten shorter than you think
[18:40]	MinceR	Ariadne: what's up with evilnet?
[18:41]	CrystalMath	MinceR: evilnet is the one Ariadne won't help
[18:41]	Ariadne	i mean, i would check if foxy is still a staff with /whois, but it seems i need to make an irc.com account to even connect
[18:41]	DaemonFC	Ronald Reagan put this in a speech in the 1980s where he said you work hard and are in there trying to buy hamburgers and here's this strapping young buck using food stamps to buy steak.
[18:41]	CrystalMath	although this is good for evilnet as i'm trying to convince them not to use the garbage that is atheme
[18:41]	DaemonFC	Not much has changed, I guess.
[18:41]	MinceR	:>
[18:41]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: it does seem relevant to convince them to not use software where there is no technical support available
[18:41]	DaemonFC	Reagan had perhaps the most compelling presidential victories of all time.
[18:42]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: regardless of technical support, atheme is just bad
[18:42]	DaemonFC	In fact, I think 1984 he only lost Minnesota and DC.
[18:42]	CrystalMath	if atheme was good i could do tech support for it
[18:42]	CrystalMath	but i don't want to read that crap
[18:42]	Ariadne	ah, the phanes talking point
[18:42]	DaemonFC	I don't think anyone has ever won all electoral votes. I think that's the closest it's been.
[18:42]	Ariadne	all this is telling me is that the action we agreed to collectively is having the desired effect
[18:43]	Ariadne	so, thanks for letting me know
[18:43]	Ariadne	:)
[18:43]	DaemonFC	We've gone back to being too evenly divided to even guess at what will happen until the fat lady sings.
[18:43]	DaemonFC	Maybe even days after the election.
[18:44]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: well if the desired effect is to get people away from atheme, then yes
[18:44]	CrystalMath	however i also want schestowitz to know this
[18:44]	Ariadne	okay
[18:44]	DaemonFC	Eh, Washington, but I don't think he really counts. The prevailing attitude was to make him a King.
[18:44]	DaemonFC	De facto if nothing else.
[18:45]	DaemonFC	Usually power goes to the people who want it, and that's why they shouldn't have it.
[18:45]	MinceR	ronnie raygun only wished they could make him a king, eh?
[18:45]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: bluntly, free software does not include technical support
[18:45]	CrystalMath	i know, but if it was anope that did this (which is possible) it would be worth it to provide 3rd party community support for it
[18:46]	CrystalMath	atheme sadly reeks of the garbage that the people who work on it are
[18:46]	Ariadne	haha
[18:46]	MinceR	
[18:47]	DaemonFC	What these Senate negotiations are telling me is that about half the Republican Party has already cast Trump aside and want to move on and do big things now that he's out of the picture.
[18:47]	Ariadne	i mean, if schestowitz wishes to move techrights off my servers because *checks notes* a group of people collectively organized to not provide technical support to freenode and its staffers in any context, then that's his right to do.
[18:47]	DaemonFC	They won't say it, but they've calculated that he won't be back.
[18:47]	DaemonFC	No matter what he threatens them with, they don't care.
[18:48]	Ariadne	however, i do not see how that action is against the spirit of free software
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[18:48]	MinceR	recently i saw an article claiming that the head of the RNC claimed goldenDawnald is still in charge of the GOP
[18:48]	Ariadne	if you would like to explain it, i would be glad to hear
[18:48]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Yeah, 19 Senate Republicans wouldn't give Trump an infrastructure bill.
[18:48]	Ariadne	but, the GPL has an entire paragraph on software being provided "AS IS" and "WITH NO WARRANTY"
[18:48]	DaemonFC	But they're happy to give one to Biden and ignore "Leadership" to get it to him.
[18:49]	DaemonFC	In fact, Mitch McConnell has even been strongarmed into coming onboard at this point because he doesn't want to look like he's lost control of his caucus.
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[18:53]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: the problem is how you extend this to associates and associates of associates (recursively)
[18:53]	CrystalMath	the problem isn't evilnet which should not be using atheme anyway
[18:53]	Ariadne	how is that a problem?  an embargo needs to have teeth to be effective
[18:54]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: the fact that you call it an embargo is another thing that schestowitz should be aware of
[18:54]	Ariadne	(hint: the goal of the embargo is to leave freenode with zero staffers)
[18:54]	CrystalMath	freenode isn't going to have 0 staffers but it will have 5-ish
[18:54]	CrystalMath	until it closes down
[18:55]	CrystalMath	i mean how much staff will freenode really need? with only registered users that will be such a small amount :(
[18:55]	Ariadne	yes, schestowitz, CrystalMath is telling the truth, i am using labor organizing to influence what staff andrew lee can retain
[18:55]	CrystalMath	it's pointless to discuss freenode, sadly there is currently no free speech free software development IRC
[18:56]	Ariadne	so, is foxy a freenode staff or not
[18:56]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: but you're kinda beating a dead horse, if that's the point
[18:56]	Ariadne	it's not a dead horse until it's zero
[18:56]	CrystalMath	well, technically still an ircop
[18:56]	Ariadne	and, it's not my personal decision
[18:56]	Ariadne	we collectively made that decision
[18:57]	CrystalMath	i know, yes, now you told me what that's about, but freenode doesn't have a chance
[18:57]	Ariadne	i'm sorry that this is where the picket line is, but that's where the picket line is
[18:57]	CrystalMath	and yet the need for a right-wing-allowing free software IRC network is still there and unquenched
[18:57]	Ariadne	our refusal to provide support to freenode and its associates is also speech, by the way
[18:57]	Ariadne	and atheme has no issue with a right-wing free software IRC network
[18:58]	MinceR	what does atheme have issue with?
[18:58]	Ariadne	we have issue with an IRC network run by somebody who takes over 700+ channels and steals them from their rightful owners
[18:58]	MinceR	do they have a statement?
[18:58]	Ariadne	yes, i believe we do
[18:58]	Ariadne	CrystalMath removed that part
[18:58]	MinceR	well, the takeover part is fair
[18:58]	Ariadne	although it is hosted at github, https://atheme.github.io/atheme-open-letter/
[18:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-atheme.github.io | An open letter from Athemes developers and community | atheme-open-letter
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[18:58]	MinceR	though i believe freenode suffered the consequences of that already :>
[18:59]	CrystalMath	personally i don't really think there's anything wrong with taking over spam channels
[18:59]	Ariadne	it's the non-spam channels that we had an issue with
[18:59]	CrystalMath	and making sure people are allowed to talk
● Aug 09
[19:00]	MinceR	there was nothing "spam" about #bedrock
[19:00]	Ariadne	for example, #atheme was closed, even though it only mentioned libera as an alternative
[19:00]	CrystalMath	honestly, if i start an IRC network, no channel mode will be allowed to prevent the majority from speaking
[19:00]	MinceR	they didn't even decide on whether to move
[19:00]	CrystalMath	although this choice may be dangerous :P
[19:00]	MinceR	but the heavy-handed idiot made that decision for them
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[19:00]	CrystalMath	5  people on a channel, troll joins with 10 accounts, no mode can stop the troll now :P
[19:01]	CrystalMath	i don't really know how to solve it
[19:01]	MinceR	i'd rather make a decentralized namespace for channels
[19:01]	CrystalMath	but people should *NOT* be allowed to force people to move to a new network
[19:01]	MinceR	so it doesn't matter if someone squats a channel
[19:01]	MinceR	but gtg
[19:02]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: by the way, i have it on great authority that anope will not help entities known to be affiliated with freenode either
[19:02]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: okay, but i'll provide 3rd party support for anope then
[19:02]	CrystalMath	anope needs to be forked honestly, if it truly supports cancel culture this way
[19:03]	Ariadne	> cancel culture
[19:03]	Ariadne	we "cancelled" (god i hate that word) a group of people whose leader decided to harm the autonomy of thousands of communities
[19:03]	Ariadne	they can quit!
[19:04]	Ariadne	nobody is holding a gun to their head and saying "be a freenode oper!"
[19:04]	CrystalMath	that shouldn't matter
[19:04]	CrystalMath	but i mean, anope's developers shouldn't matter, either, this is free software
[19:05]	Ariadne	the four freedoms are retained
[19:05]	CrystalMath	yes
[19:05]	Ariadne	i'm not required to help Foxy figure out how to run atheme
[19:05]	CrystalMath	she doesn't want to run atheme!
[19:05]	Ariadne	great
[19:05]	CrystalMath	it's her friend who's adamant on using that crap
[19:06]	Ariadne	i'm not required to help a network that shares staff with freenode run atheme
[19:06]	Ariadne	they are able to study the source themselves
[19:07]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.81   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 43.06 swarm size (avg): 276.51  
[19:07]	CrystalMath	hmm, i wonder, does the fact that i won't study the source and help them myself mean i'm cancelling atheme?
[19:07]	Ariadne	it's funny that it's always men who get angry about being told "no"
[19:07]	Ariadne	guess so
[19:07]	Ariadne	what a silly word
[19:08]	Ariadne	in fact, i told somebody *else* no, and you're mad about *that*
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[19:08]	CrystalMath	me? no i'm not mad, i'm just leaking your behavior to schestowitz
[19:09]	CrystalMath	i thought you were referring to Gedreel, who, probably isn't mad either but idk really, i don't have direct information
[19:09]	CrystalMath	and i'm leaking your behavior to schestowitz only because he insists that you run his infrastructure
[19:10]	CrystalMath	which i believe is ultimately hurting techrights
[19:10]	Ariadne	perhaps he insists that because he knows i will be equally stubborn with people who attack him/techrights
[19:11]	Ariadne	you should learn to look at the big picture
[19:11]	CrystalMath	i guess i do get mad every time i see cancel culture
[19:11]	XRevan86	Ariadne: CrystalMath is a lot more reasonable when he doesn't look at the big picture.
[19:11]	CrystalMath	or any embargo
[19:11]	Ariadne	this isn't even "cancel" culture
[19:12]	Ariadne	this is "i'm not going to spend my personal time providing tech support to networks which have something in common with freenode"
[19:12]	Ariadne	what myself and others choose to collectively set as boundaries is our choice, and our speech
[19:13]	Ariadne	you talk about "free speech" but then choose to punish others for expressing their own speech
[19:13]	CrystalMath	yeah it's not illegal or anything, it just makes you a bad person for discriminating
[19:13]	CrystalMath	and i don't want to change atheme's decision
[19:13]	CrystalMath	i want to change schestowitz's decision
[19:13]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: freenode discriminated them, so they're soft-discriminating freenode, so ye're discriminating them
[19:13]	XRevan86	and in all of this it's Ariadne that is the "cancelling" one?
[19:14]	gustaf	in lieue of popcorn I have Pringles 
[19:14]	gustaf	but this is good entertainment 
[19:14]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Say it as it is: ye want to cancel Ariadne for her choices.
[19:14]	Ariadne	XRevan86: its because scope of the embargo includes networks run or opered by people who have a nexus with freenode
[19:14]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: only from techrights because i believe t would save techrights
[19:14]	Ariadne	and that embargo is not just atheme at this point,
[19:14]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: and yes if it was just freenode i would have nothing to say to schestowitz, since this was obvious
[19:15]	Ariadne	but anope, inspircd, even unrealircd
[19:15]	XRevan86	Ariadne: Try the word "boycott" instead of "embargo"
[19:15]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: i'm sorry that the irc development community has decided there has to be even the smallest amount of inconvenience as a result of providing labor to andrew lee
[19:15]	XRevan86	I think it would have a better ring in #boycottnovell, if ye know what I mean ;)
[19:16]	Ariadne	techrights, too, advocates for this strategy
[19:16]	Ariadne	with the EPO
[19:16]	Ariadne	with Novell historically
[19:17]	Ariadne	so, yes, the fact that you are complaining about me, adapting a strategy invented by schestowitz to solve a similar problem, is quite ironic really
[19:17]	CrystalMath	i truly don't understand "boycott novell" either
[19:17]	Ariadne	evilnet can "cure" the fact that they fall in the boycott zone
[19:17]	Ariadne	foxy can quit freenode staff
[19:17]	Ariadne	evilnet can fire foxy
[19:17]	Ariadne	that's two ways they can get out of it
[19:18]	CrystalMath	none of that solves the real problem
[19:18]	Ariadne	the real problem being that the atheme maintainers are uppity?
[19:18]	CrystalMath	no, that there is no right-wing free software development IRC network
[19:18]	Ariadne	start one, atheme will have your back
[19:19]	Ariadne	this has nothing to do with left vs right politics, and everything to do with andrew lee's war on community autonomy
[19:19]	XRevan86	CrystalMath is too caught in the wing wars to see the real issues involved.
[19:20]	Ariadne	there are plenty of right-wing networks running atheme
[19:20]	Ariadne	they haven't ever been cancelled
[19:20]	Ariadne	we don't care
[19:20]	Ariadne	we care about taking a network of 90,000 users and then terrorizing the userbase
[19:20]	blitzed	--MASS PSYCHOSIS - How an Entire Population Becomes MENTALLY ILL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M
[19:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MASS PSYCHOSIS - How an Entire Population Becomes MENTALLY ILL - YouTube
[19:21]	CrystalMath	but you have the mistaken belief that chanops should be allowed to force people to move to a different network
[19:21]	Ariadne	we have the belief that communities should be allowed to make whatever decisions they want
[19:21]	Ariadne	if that results in the community being forked, then sure
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[19:22]	CrystalMath	but you want to allow the situation where a channel is completely disabled on one network
[19:22]	CrystalMath	i think that's unacceptable
[19:22]	Ariadne	but atheme (which was the freenode development team unionizing) was started to promote freedom and community autonomy, so it is unsurprising that we would have a bone to pick with andrew
[19:23]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: i do not want to allow a situation where a channel is completely disabled on one network
[19:23]	CrystalMath	i mean, if i ran the script that freenode ran, i would have it affect only non-project channels...
[19:23]	Ariadne	but, that's not what andrew did
[19:23]	Ariadne	andrew's script seized the channels from the communities
[19:24]	Ariadne	and then k-lined the individuals who set the topics mentioning libera
[19:24]	CrystalMath	okay, so that wasn't great, but even so it's his network
[19:24]	Ariadne	it is especially the latter part that atheme found unacceptable
[19:24]	CrystalMath	the people moved to another one as a result
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[19:24]	CrystalMath	he could have ordered the network to shut down
[19:25]	CrystalMath	in a way, he did (freenode classic)
[19:25]	Ariadne	"his network"
[19:25]	CrystalMath	yes
[19:25]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: "but even so it's his network" so Andrew can do what he wants, but Atheme can't?
[19:25]	Ariadne	historically, that is not the case
[19:25]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: atheme shouldn't dispute private ownership
[19:25]	Ariadne	lmfao
[19:25]	CrystalMath	if it does, its community is crazy
[19:26]	Ariadne	no, we don't dispute that, because we allowed christel to form freenode limited unilaterally (oopsie)
[19:26]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: It has a right not to have anything in common with a corporate raid that took place.
[19:26]	CrystalMath	it's not a corporate raid
[19:26]	CrystalMath	the corporation owned the network and decided to shut it down
[19:27]	CrystalMath	then started a new one
[19:27]	CrystalMath	before the shut down channels were taken but ultimately why is that important really, it was all shut down
[19:27]	XRevan86	> require the company to undertake novel measures designed to increase the share value, generally in opposition to the desires and practices of the corporation's current management
[19:27]	Ariadne	because it was an attack on the very thing atheme was created to promote
[19:27]	XRevan86	Okay, the "increase the share value" part doesn't fit.
[19:29]	Ariadne	i mean, the reality is, atheme was more than willing to continue in its agreement with freenode, under the new leadership
[19:29]	XRevan86	The term "raid takeover" in Russian has a different meaning, I don't know how to get that across.
[19:29]	Ariadne	then rasengan was like "fuck you, i do what i want"
[19:29]	Ariadne	so, we decided to do likewise
[19:29]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: i still don't think you should cancel a network just because it's doing crazy things
[19:29]	Ariadne	and it turned out what we want is to not provide free labor to freenode or its associates
[19:30]	CrystalMath	like i could start a network where network staff owns all the channels
[19:30]	Ariadne	how are we 'cancelling' freenode?
[19:30]	CrystalMath	no you're cancelling people who are just vaguely associated
[19:30]	Ariadne	we simply choose not to provide free labor to it, or its associates
[19:30]	CrystalMath	even recursively
[19:30]	XRevan86	staffer == vaguely associated
[19:30]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: a friend of a friend of a friend of a staffer?
[19:30]	Ariadne	other networks run in part by freenode staff can launder freenode's support requests
[19:31]	CrystalMath	no because freenode does not run atheme
[19:31]	Ariadne	it does not run atheme because it had no practical choice but to stop
[19:31]	Ariadne	but that does not change our position,
[19:31]	Ariadne	other networks run in part by freenode staff can launder freenode's support requests
[19:31]	CrystalMath	how?
[19:31]	Ariadne	that freenode does not *presently* have support requests, does not change that the capability exists
[19:31]	CrystalMath	freenode has zero support requests for atheme
[19:32]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: i think that's presuming guilt way too far
[19:32]	CrystalMath	therefore, you are a bad person
[19:32]	Ariadne	that's what we agreed to, sorry you don't like it
[19:32]	CrystalMath	you're all bad people
[19:33]	Ariadne	just like RMS is called bad for doing activism, too
[19:33]	CrystalMath	when?
[19:33]	Ariadne	all the time people say he is bad, haven't you noticed?
[19:33]	CrystalMath	RMS said free software code from Microsoft is welcome
[19:33]	CrystalMath	that's why RMS is a good person
[19:33]	CrystalMath	RMS said Microsoft is allowed to use free software code and get community support
[19:33]	CrystalMath	RMS went to Microsoft in 2019 and gave a talk there
[19:34]	Ariadne	evilnet is not blocked from getting community support for atheme
[19:34]	CrystalMath	i thought it was?
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[19:34]	Ariadne	no, they are free to ask anybody who is not a party to the boycott whatever they wish
[19:35]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: right, it's only the people who are doing the boycott that are bad people, completely unlike RMS who is a great person
[19:35]	Ariadne	RMS have boycotted things too
[19:35]	XRevan86	even Coca-Cola
[19:35]	psydruid	What happened to Freenode?
[19:35]	CrystalMath	psydruid: they went SASL-only and finished themselves off
[19:36]	XRevan86	psydruid: It's dead, Jim.
[19:36]	psydruid	I was connected using the bouncer and now I have zero channels in my list
[19:36]	Ariadne	anyway, i am sorry that you don't like that there are an organized boycott against freenode's staff for technical support
[19:36]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: RMS would never say that some people shouldn't use free software or get support for it
[19:36]	psydruid	So yeah, I guess it is dead for real now
[19:36]	XRevan86	psydruid: Probably not registered.
[19:37]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: well you have to be to use the bnc :P
[19:37]	XRevan86	psydruid: It requires TLS and SASL from everyone.
[19:37]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: i've never said that.  evilnet is free to use atheme, and get support for it, from somebody other than me
[19:37]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: psydruid probably meant his own bouncer, not *the* bouncer.
[19:37]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: trouble is, even if you are using bnc.freenode.net, you need to set up SASL on it :P
[19:38]	CrystalMath	if you don't you can't even connect with that!
[19:39]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: evilnet's software freedom is not compromised by me saying "sorry, no technical support for associates of freenode"
[19:39]	activelow	it wasn't SASL which killed freenode
[19:39]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: the GPL has a lot to say on this, have you read it?
[19:40]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: well it would be weird if it had a forced speech clause
[19:40]	CrystalMath	i mean i'm not saying you're compromising their software freedom
[19:40]	Ariadne	15. Disclaimer of Warranty.
[19:40]	Ariadne	
[19:40]	Ariadne	THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW.  [...]  SHOULD THE PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION.
[19:41]	CrystalMath	it just makes you a bad person, that's all, because you are being mean to innocent people
[19:41]	CrystalMath	that's literally all
[19:42]	Ariadne	i'm sorry that Gadreel is inconvenienced, but there are two paths that can be taken to solve the issue
[19:42]	Ariadne	Foxy can quit freenode staff, or he can fire Foxy
[19:42]	CrystalMath	or he can use anope
[19:42]	Ariadne	or he can get support from another atheme user who chooses to help him
[19:42]	Ariadne	so, really, 4 paths
[19:42]	CrystalMath	i don't understand his terrible choice of service package or even worse choice of ircd
[19:43]	Ariadne	oh, right, anope does not work with ircu :)
[19:43]	CrystalMath	nah worse, solanum
[19:43]	activelow	wiping the databse and pointing freenode domain to irc.com service killed it, not any specific service or ircd or SASL auth
[19:43]	CrystalMath	activelow: that did cost the most users
[19:44]	CrystalMath	but we could have saved it at that point
[19:44]	CrystalMath	heck i was going around convincing people to come back, my channels went back up
[19:44]	activelow	it cost ALL of them, freenode user count is 0, irc.com got 10K now
[19:44]	CrystalMath	it was all going great... until the SASL thing
[19:44]	CrystalMath	many people left even though they have accounts because they can't stand for this
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[19:45]	activelow	SASL wasn't an issue at all
[19:45]	CrystalMath	umm
[19:45]	Ariadne	well, he should be used to this embargo by now, since it also includes solanum
[19:45]	Ariadne	probably why he DMed me instead of taking the appropriate steps to get support
[19:45]	Ariadne	:)
[19:45]	CrystalMath	activelow: SASL killed it, as far as i can see
[19:45]	CrystalMath	everything was heading on a path of unlikely but possible success
[19:45]	CrystalMath	SASL however sent it onto ensured failure
[19:46]	activelow	mandatory registration after wiping the databse did, not SASL
[19:46]	Ariadne	i don't cross picket lines, CrystalMath
[19:46]	Ariadne	that's where people chose the picket line to be
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[19:46]	CrystalMath	activelow: before SASL, registration wasn't mandatory
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[19:46]	CrystalMath	activelow: becuase once you could connect normally, you had the option of doing NickServ register/login
[19:46]	CrystalMath	or not doing any of that and just going to channels
[19:47]	CrystalMath	although the default umode had +R
[19:47]	CrystalMath	channels still had plenty of visitors
[19:47]	CrystalMath	i helped plenty of people on #perl
[19:47]	CrystalMath	it was going fine
[19:48]	activelow	another issue: since SASL/registration are mandatory there is no reason anymore to block onion exits to prevent SPAM
[19:49]	CrystalMath	right, there's a tor service
[19:49]	CrystalMath	is that down?
[19:49]	activelow	if his highness had permitted onion exits with the new SASl/registration scheme then I may not have dropped the new account
[19:50]	activelow	last time i tried onion exits were blocked
[19:50]	CrystalMath	the infra team has also shrunk, not because of some idiot self-righteous developers, but because of the recent changes to staff
[19:50]	activelow	and no hidden service available either, to my knowledge
[19:51]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: anyway for me the point of free software is eliminating the power of developers
[19:51]	Ariadne	that won't solve your problem
[19:51]	CrystalMath	which problem?
[19:51]	CrystalMath	the right-wing IRC network? no :P
[19:51]	CrystalMath	but the problem of developers having power? yes
[19:51]	Ariadne	a community at large can still voluntarily organize to deny support to an idiot
[19:52]	CrystalMath	developers should have NO power
[19:52]	Ariadne	the people writing the code should have no power
[19:52]	Ariadne	yet, writing the code is inherently powerful
[19:52]	Ariadne	yes, this makes sense
[19:52]	CrystalMath	yes, that's why the GPL requires that the source is out there
[19:52]	CrystalMath	to create a free market for support
[19:53]	CrystalMath	RMS's idea was that if someone won't provide support, someone else will
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[19:53]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/2021/08/09/1025193562/the-u-s-attracts-fewer-international-students-loses-billions-in-revenue-heres-wh
[19:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Fewer Foreign Students To The U.S. Cost Billions In Revenue Loss : NPR
[19:53]	CrystalMath	and i guess nothing has been violated here
[19:54]	DaemonFC	The universities have finally been filled up with useless SJWs teaching reverse racism and underwater basket weaving that it's no longer worth their time?
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[19:55]	DaemonFC	"And 70% of international students on American campuses are from Asia. The recent rise in anti-Asian hate crimes have made some of them reconsider their futures in the U.S."
[19:55]	DaemonFC	Almost all of those hate crimes happening in progressive blue states.
[19:55]	DaemonFC	Places like San Francisco, Chicago, Seattle, NYC.
[19:56]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: ding ding ding
[19:56]	Ariadne	however
[19:56]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: is this issue actually unrelated to evilnet?
[19:56]	Ariadne	my impression was that evilnet ran ircu
[19:56]	DaemonFC	That's not really surprising considering almost all of the violent crime in America happens in places where the Democrats are the majority.
[19:56]	DaemonFC	They project it on red states but that's not the truth.
[19:57]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: huh, i was told this person wants to run evilnet on solanum and atheme
[19:57]	DaemonFC	They have Ariadne maybe convinced to bail on Wyoming, was it?
[19:57]	DaemonFC	But then she's more likely to get shot in Chicago for no other reason than they want her phone or money or something.
[19:57]	Ariadne	DaemonFC: no, the $480k offered for my homestead and neighbor with "we shoot fucking faggots in wyoming" flag was the convincing part
[19:57]	DaemonFC	Why does it matter more why you were shot than what the odds are? That seems odd.
[19:58]	MinceR	i can understand atheme's vendetta on freenode for taking over their channel[s], but not the one on evilnet
[19:58]	Ariadne	who says i would live in chicago
[19:58]	CrystalMath	MinceR: yeah same
[19:58]	Ariadne	MinceR: common staff
[19:58]	DaemonFC	I don't know. I certainly can't recommend Chicago, but it's a violent shithole like most Democrat cities.
[19:58]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: the very belief that embargos need to recursively spread like that makes you a bad person
[19:58]	DaemonFC	And they tax you a lot and deliver few services to compensate for it.
[19:59]	CrystalMath	also i will never join a union
[19:59]	DaemonFC	At least in red states if the government doesn't do much, your taxes are low and you can get by on your own, most likely.
[19:59]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: if the goal is to make it socially expensive to have a freenode o:line, then it needs to be poisonous
[19:59]	CrystalMath	screw unions, it's just aggressive self-righteous idiots all around
[19:59]	Ariadne	atheme started as a union so is it really surprising that it behaves like one
[19:59]	XRevan86	Crimean companies dodge the embargo by posing as located in St. Petersburg.
● Aug 09
[20:00]	DaemonFC	I would never voluntarily join a labor union. Unfortunately, Illinois Democrats get so much money from them that they passed a law making it illegal not to join a union if most of the retards working there voted one in at some point.
[20:00]	DaemonFC	And even if the majority changes their mind, it's almost impossible to decertify one once they've set up.
[20:00]	DaemonFC	People should be very concerned about letting a union into their shop. They should almost certainly vote no.
[20:01]	Ariadne	well, at the time, freenode's owner was trying to get people to buy him a fucking RV so
[20:01]	DaemonFC	Most of the union contracts aren't worth the goddamned paper they're printed on, for the workers.
[20:01]	DaemonFC	Then they steal your money too, before you see it, like the IRS.
[20:01]	XRevan86	Ariadne: What's an RV?
[20:01]	Ariadne	:D
[20:01]	MinceR	Ariadne: it was probably andrew's call
[20:01]	DaemonFC	Recreational Vehicle
[20:01]	MinceR	he admitted to implementing freenodecom
[20:01]	DaemonFC	Indiana makes most of them, btw, afaik.
[20:02]	DaemonFC	The industry almost collapsed in 2008.
[20:02]	CrystalMath	MinceR: nah
[20:02]	CrystalMath	i found out who ran the script and asked for it to be written
[20:02]	CrystalMath	it wasn't rasengan
[20:02]	DaemonFC	People were taking on loans to buy them, and then credit tightened up and nobody could buy them for a while.
[20:02]	Ariadne	yeah it was nirvana
[20:02]	Ariadne	and eskimo wrote it
[20:02]	CrystalMath	Ariadne found out too i see
[20:02]	MinceR	ic
[20:03]	DaemonFC	Ariadne, Other than some crazy politicians at the state level in Indiana, I haven't seen too many people who actually care one way or the other about LGBT issues.
[20:03]	DaemonFC	It's a very polite and "Don't bother them, they won't bother you." state.
[20:03]	DaemonFC	Laws are enforced. If you try to do someone harm and they shoot you, oh well.
[20:03]	DaemonFC	Exactly how things should be.
[20:04]	DaemonFC	Crime is out of control in Illinois not just because the Democrat Party is repealing our criminal justice system, or more correctly, what was left of it, but because it's not a stand your ground state, and getting a carry license is difficult.
[20:04]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: unfortunately, the desire of that policy is to encourage freenode staff to quit
[20:04]	DaemonFC	If they reversed that, the citizenry would take care of a lot of these pieces of shit.
[20:05]	Ariadne	as most of freenode's new staff are hired "professional" ircops
[20:05]	Ariadne	we wanted to make it expensive for them to remain on staff
[20:05]	Ariadne	again, sorry that atheme (and then later, the irc development community at large) thought it appropriate to introduce even mild inconvenience
[20:05]	kingoffrance	enough money to hire ppl, not enough to pay for support?
[20:06]	DaemonFC	They hire people to preside over a 95% collapse in users. Over the past 100 days or so.
[20:06]	CrystalMath	kingoffrance: i'd provide support for freenode for free, if only it didn't continuously work on its own destruction
[20:06]	kingoffrance	im not taking a side either way, but when you say "free market" that generally implies paying for support
[20:06]	CrystalMath	there's nothing i wouldn't do for a network with freenode's politics, just as long as it doesn't shoot itself in the foot with a machine gun
[20:06]	kingoffrance	or some other negotiation
[20:07]	CrystalMath	the politics freenode blogs about are IMO exactly what free software needs
[20:07]	CrystalMath	and rasengan is totally right about that
[20:07]	kingoffrance	let me ask you this CrystalMath 
[20:07]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/2021/08/09/1026131599/climate-change-report-takeaways-biden-administration
[20:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | A Scientist Highlights What Can Be Done About The Dire Climate Change Report : NPR
[20:07]	DaemonFC	LOL@ "The UN".
[20:07]	kingoffrance	if there is no right wing, and libera whatever is left -- is there any neutral "we dont do politics" remaining?
[20:08]	DaemonFC	What should we do? Pull out of the UN. Not even Trump would do it though.... :(
[20:08]	kingoffrance	i mean, just cuz someone says "neutral" doesnt mean they are
[20:08]	DaemonFC	We pay so that terrorists and China run the place, pretty much./
[20:08]	kingoffrance	just does any network even try to do that (other than here) ?
[20:08]	CrystalMath	kingoffrance: no i don't actually mean a right-wing IRC network, that does exist
[20:08]	CrystalMath	irc.ircnow.org :P
[20:08]	CrystalMath	i mean a right-wing-allowing (but neutral)
[20:09]	CrystalMath	free software-related IRC network
[20:09]	MinceR	DaemonFC: don't forget the megacorporations
[20:09]	kingoffrance	ok
[20:09]	XRevan86	kingoffrance: "cuz someone says" to CrystalMath it's more important that Andrew wrote "free speech!" than that his network banned people left and right for asking questions.
[20:09]	MinceR	the WIPO did plenty of dirty, evil work for them
[20:09]	XRevan86	kingoffrance: words > actions
[20:10]	DaemonFC	MinceR, I like how the UN works. The US didn't ratify the Law of the Sea treaty, but abides by it anyway.
[20:10]	kingoffrance	:/
[20:10]	XRevan86	Just appeal to him with words, and ye'll be set.
[20:10]	DaemonFC	China ratified it and ignores it completely.
[20:10]	MinceR	lol
[20:11]	DaemonFC	China "interprets" it to mean you steal an island from the Philippines or something and you get another 200 miles off of that.
[20:11]	DaemonFC	:)
[20:11]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: i only saw people get banned for asking questions repeatedly with no end
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[20:11]	CrystalMath	MinceR: i tried to connect to ircnow and it just booted me out, sending seemingly-random bytes over the line
[20:12]	DaemonFC	The US didn't ratify the treaty on the rights of the child. China did. Children in China have the same rights as anyone else in China.
[20:12]	DaemonFC	Speak out and it's right this way, to forced labor camps, where nobody hears from you again!
[20:12]	CrystalMath	MinceR: ngircd....
[20:13]	CrystalMath	what a server
[20:15]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: There is one person that I've no idea how they got banned whatsoever, they aren't very active on IRC.
[20:15]	CrystalMath	then it could be by mistake
[20:15]	CrystalMath	i mean even i was Z-lined by mistake
[20:15]	XRevan86	> and then k-lined the individuals who set the topics mentioning libera
[20:15]	XRevan86	It could be that.
[20:16]	CrystalMath	but not everyone had that happen
[20:16]	CrystalMath	i know people who set topics to mention libera who are still connected
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[20:17]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: A lot of mistakes there.
[20:18]	MinceR	z-lining people for having too many connections instead of just denying the new connections is really stupid, for example
[20:18]	XRevan86	That was pre-wipe, they're probably not banned anymore.
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[20:18]	kingoffrance	XRevan86, i only :/ because conway's law. there is a cycle -> permtted words -> permitted definitions -> permitted thoughts -> permitted actions -/ (loop to start)    same holds for law, religion, programming languages, (but i repeat myself, twice), etc.  :)  
[20:19]	CrystalMath	MinceR: well yes but
[20:19]	CrystalMath	at this point it's better than some of the other decisions :P
[20:19]	CrystalMath	relatively speaking
[20:19]	MinceR	we're in a pretty damn place if we have to settle for some decisions being less bad than others
[20:19]	XRevan86	kingoffrance: It's great when a politician goes and says "it's time for a change"
[20:19]	kingoffrance	so action > words, while not untrue, i add another meta layer there :)
[20:19]	kingoffrance	lol yes
[20:20]	kingoffrance	completely devoid of any meaning
[20:20]	kingoffrance	let's go back to time
[20:20]	CrystalMath	MinceR: well, freenode isn't doing well :(
[20:20]	CrystalMath	i really wish it was, though
[20:20]	XRevan86	kingoffrance: And then immediately blocks anything remotely like change with all the power they got.
[20:20]	kingoffrance	we're we operating under assumption there is no time lol
[20:20]	kingoffrance	*where
[20:20]	CrystalMath	we could have overcome the attacks from those communists
[20:21]	CrystalMath	but it seems that wasn't the plan
[20:21]	MinceR	you couldn't overcome the attacks from andrew lee, though
[20:22]	XRevan86	kingoffrance: Yes, when it became known what kind of people freenode got as staff in May, the trajectory in time became apparent.
[20:22]	XRevan86	it became a matter of "when"
[20:23]	kingoffrance	*were
[20:23]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: honestly no... there's some great people among new staff
[20:23]	CrystalMath	such as Foxy
[20:24]	kingoffrance	same theory behind political correctness too of course
[20:25]	XRevan86	kingoffrance: But I disgress. Really the thing about words/actions and time is that different people have different ideas about how ideas like "social justice", "free speech", etc. translate into reality, what actions get us there.
[20:25]	activelow	why isn't this channel bridged to libera?
[20:25]	CrystalMath	activelow: libera sucks
[20:25]	activelow	maybe, didn't register there for, individual, reasons
[20:25]	XRevan86	activelow: irc.techrights.org is the only base of operations, it's consolidated.
[20:25]	activelow	but why does libera suck otherwise?
[20:26]	CrystalMath	libera is run by radical SJWs
[20:26]	CrystalMath	who are anti-RMS
[20:26]	kingoffrance	yes, i saw that recently osi IIRC faq says open source said they have same goals as free software, differ on methods.   fsf disagreed with that.
[20:26]	CrystalMath	and generally want to hijack free software, like parasites, for some other purposes
[20:26]	XRevan86	activelow: schestowitz doesn't want to be dependent on third-parties anymore.
[20:26]	MinceR	what CrystalMath said
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[20:26]	kingoffrance	evven if the "end product" of some code looks similar, different motivations
[20:26]	kingoffrance	if nothing else, different communities
[20:26]	activelow	this is two different questions: 1) why libera sucks. and 2) the decision techrights made
[20:26]	kingoffrance	even if there may be overlap
[20:27]	CrystalMath	activelow: i answered the first one
[20:27]	CrystalMath	and XRevan86 answered the second :P
[20:27]	XRevan86	MinceR: Yea, they're radical SJWs, they ban left and right everyone who's remotely non-SJW.
[20:27]	XRevan86	like this one time
[20:27]	MinceR	XRevan86: i see you managed to erase your memories of the letter they signed already
[20:28]	XRevan86	MinceR: So radical.
[20:28]	sears_hardware	kingoffrance: Conway's law sounds fun
[20:28]	XRevan86	It's so horrible how they ban everyone who has a different opinions, and how they de-staff everyone who didn't sign the letter.
[20:29]	XRevan86	* a different set of opinions
[20:29]	sears_hardware	XRevan86: are you talking about libera or leenode
[20:29]	kingoffrance	sears_hardware, "agile" sort of used it too
[20:29]	XRevan86	sears_hardware: I'm mocking, so ye know I'm not talking about leenode :)
[20:29]	kingoffrance	so it might have a bad name for some
[20:30]	XRevan86	sears_hardware: And of course on leenode the purge is a good thing, because it happens to align with CrystalMath's views, sort of.
[20:30]	MinceR	sears_hardware: XRevan86 doesn't know what he's talking about.
[20:30]	kingoffrance	even amongst "agile" ppl who say it got hijacked by marketing whatever
[20:30]	sears_hardware	idk what any of y'all are talking about but lee bans people all the time
[20:31]	MinceR	the nice thing about purging everyone is that it aligns with all views that promote any purging
[20:31]	MinceR	lee bans people all the time, so we should use illibera? it does not follow.
[20:31]	sears_hardware	i heard there's a nice irc netwok called techrights
[20:32]	MinceR	indeed there is
[20:32]	XRevan86	MinceR waives that letter like an ultimate evidence of evil.
[20:32]	sears_hardware	it's so amazing the possibilities when you aren't stuck choosing between microsoft and macintosh
[20:32]	sears_hardware	and other false dichotomies
[20:32]	sears_hardware	i still can't get over how lee talks like a stoner in irc but like a professional pr writer in freenode.net posts
[20:33]	XRevan86	All the people are reduced to signatures. How easy to judge, very convinient.
[20:33]	MinceR	XRevan86: "waive" does not mean what you think it does. and yes, it's a pretty good piece of evidence, seeing how the people on the list asked their signatures to be added themselves and how it's about an SJW anti-free software agenda.
[20:33]	sears_hardware	sounds like a blockchain
[20:33]	XRevan86	sears_hardware: Did ye see his last post though?
[20:33]	MinceR	i don't see what's "professional" about "hurr durr i have no idea how mRNA works"
[20:33]	XRevan86	sears_hardware: It got a lot more stoner-like.
[20:33]	sears_hardware	i saw the one where he said freenode is moving to "blockchain-basesd authentication"
[20:33]	sears_hardware	on "ethereum and handshake"
[20:33]	MinceR	ooh, blockchain
[20:34]		*MinceR sprinkles some more buzzwords on
[20:34]	MinceR	it could be a smart AI on the blockchain in the serverless cloud
[20:35]	XRevan86	MinceR: I like how neither of us actually knows anything about these people,.
[20:35]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: libera conducted many purges, they were famous for it, but they did it when they were known as "freenode"
[20:35]	MinceR	i do know something about them
[20:35]	MinceR	XRevan86: you may have managed to wipe your knowledge, though
[20:35]	MinceR	including the affiliations several of them have with ibm and microsoft
[20:35]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: libera ircops are horrible fascist people
[20:36]	CrystalMath	the infamous jesstapo
[20:36]	CrystalMath	they were mostly notorious when they known as *freenode* though
[20:36]	CrystalMath	but why should i trust them now?
[20:36]	kingoffrance	sears_hardware, i think devops is another example, trying to bring previously separate positions closer
[20:36]	CrystalMath	what, they learned the error of their ways? fat chance
[20:36]	sears_hardware	kingoffrance: the pendulum swingeth and the pendulum returneth
[20:36]	kingoffrance	trying to get previously separate people to "speak the same language"
[20:36]	MinceR	CrystalMath: the ability to kill/kline lots of people attracts the wrong sorts of people to ircop positions at major irc networks
[20:37]	CrystalMath	unfortunately the true free software world is still missing a good IRC network
[20:38]	MinceR	it seems there are plenty of good irc networks, i even know a few
[20:38]	MinceR	and they don't ban discussion of free software
[20:38]	sears_hardware	truth we see not but true
[20:38]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: I really don't care about ##truth, that could be the difference in judgement. Like ye didn't care about the Charybdis situation.
[20:39]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: you also don't care about all the free software developers that got k-lined for supporting Trump
[20:39]	XRevan86	MinceR: I don't have decent information around that. Being involved in the Fedora community is not something I would judge a person for.
[20:39]	CrystalMath	but technically that was on freenode
[20:40]	CrystalMath	oh, at least one was k-lined from libera as well
[20:40]	CrystalMath	heh
[20:40]	CrystalMath	once a scumbag, always a scumbag applies to libera's ircops
[20:40]	kingoffrance	sears_hardware, i'd even put that as related https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_vacui_(physics)
[20:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Horror vacui (physics) - Wikipedia
[20:40]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: If they're anything like JesusGod-Pope666.Info, then I can try to understand that decision.
[20:40]	MinceR	XRevan86: try board members then
[20:40]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: who the heck is that?
[20:41]	MinceR	XRevan86: and that cesspit of evil known as the "gnome foundation"
[20:41]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: there are peaceful, calm Trump supporters who just oppose socialism and work on free software
[20:41]	CrystalMath	they attack no one
[20:41]	CrystalMath	they start no fights
[20:41]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Just a person that is delivering the Truth to us, that Catholicism is Satan.
[20:41]	CrystalMath	that sounds like some nut
[20:41]	CrystalMath	does that person work on free software?
[20:42]	CrystalMath	a lot of the people i'm talking about can be found on the pro-RMS signature list
[20:42]	kingoffrance	sears_hardware, since anything not permitted is "void" so gets replaced with something using "permitted language" whatever
[20:42]	CrystalMath	especially the non-western names there
[20:42]	XRevan86	MinceR: Also not a homogenous organisation.
[20:42]	kingoffrance	as in, the permitted language permeates all
[20:43]	sears_hardware	kingoffrance: very artistic
[20:43]	MinceR	XRevan86: i wouldn't worry about that, they'll probably get rid of everyone who isn't "woke" enough eventually
[20:44]	sears_hardware	real talk though - anyone who isn't woke that still stays there deserves their fate
[20:44]	sears_hardware	did you know that there are still people who use facebook?
[20:44]	MinceR	yes, sadly
[20:44]	sears_hardware	and i don't mean africans i mean people that live in the 1st world
[20:44]	MinceR	"dumb fucks", as fuckerberg would say
[20:45]	sears_hardware	at this point i agree with him
[20:45]	XRevan86	A lot of Ukrai ah, 1st world, never mind.
[20:45]	sears_hardware	rip ukraine, pawn on the geopolitical chessboard
[20:45]	kingoffrance	well, that was h.l. mencken.  nature abhors a moron lol
[20:46]	XRevan86	sears_hardware: They're riding the wave better than Belarus' at least.
[20:48]	XRevan86	Russia and Belarus' had disproportionately huge IT, now it's Ukraine.
[20:49]	XRevan86	people actually relocate to Ukraine, that's how rip they are
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[20:54]	CrystalMath	<sears_hardware> real talk though - anyone who isn't woke that still stays there deserves their fate - i said the same thing about libera.crap
[20:54]	CrystalMath	so i even told my friend that i shed no tear about him being banned from illibera as i told him not to go there anyway
[20:54]	CrystalMath	good people should not be there
[20:54]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: A channel there? The snippet ye shared?
[20:55]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: yes, this person was also k-lined now that i remember
[20:56]	CrystalMath	but, sigh, i guess i could host my open source project channels on Rizon
[20:57]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: That's suspicious.
[20:57]	CrystalMath	as long as the users and other developers are okay with the kawaii moe stuff that permeates rizon, it should be fine :P
● Aug 09
[21:00]	CrystalMath	perhaps a specific network for free software is not needed
[21:01]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Is hackint "left-wing"?
[21:03]	activelow	XRevan86: there is a tendency, yes. such as "pirate party" which proclaimed to protect civil liberties and was elected into Berlin parliament, some time ago.
[21:04]	activelow	later this movement was hijacked by former "socialist union party" (the left, which renamed itself after 1990 severl times)
[21:04]	activelow	doesn't mean hackint is left, nonetheless often party politics hijack
[21:05]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: hackint is fine but disallows plaintext connections
[21:05]	activelow	similar to FSFE, which is a party politics outlet of the self-proclaimed "liberals"
[21:05]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: which is very unfortunate
[21:05]	XRevan86	Wait, do people still want clear-text connections?
[21:05]	CrystalMath	yes
[21:06]	XRevan86	not even as legacy?
[21:06]	MinceR	yes, people do
[21:06]	CrystalMath	in fact what impacted my channels the most is that people did not want to do SSL
[21:06]	XRevan86	but like straight-up "please, give me clear-text"
[21:06]	CrystalMath	on freenode
[21:06]	CrystalMath	yes
[21:06]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: SSL bloats IRC to 6 times its size
[21:06]	MinceR	generally, IRC is public
[21:07]	MinceR	some people use ancient clients
[21:07]	CrystalMath	MinceR: PMs aren't :P
[21:07]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.73   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 89.05 swarm size (avg): 276.48  
[21:07]	CrystalMath	this is why i use SSL
[21:07]	CrystalMath	at least i should use SSL for networks where i PM
[21:07]	CrystalMath	but i use it for all
[21:07]	MinceR	CrystalMath: or you could use Tox over Tor, or RetroShare over Tor for that :>
[21:07]	MinceR	even if you use TLS/SSL, in theory admins could read and change your PMs
[21:07]	CrystalMath	yeah
[21:08]	CrystalMath	but i don't think they will :P
[21:08]	MinceR	then again, you could use DCC CHAT
[21:08]	MinceR	with or without TLS
[21:08]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: also, i think that if we were to refuse support to a "communist" you would be thrilled with that decision
[21:08]	CrystalMath	so many of my friends refuse to use hackint
[21:08]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: no
[21:09]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: freenode deopped two people for banning people for communism
[21:09]	CrystalMath	(insomnia and phanes :P)
[21:09]	CrystalMath	(at this point phanes was only a #freenode chanop)
[21:10]		*Ariadne shrugs
[21:10]	CrystalMath	Ariadne: you see the fact is that the political opinions of developers should be irrelevant
[21:10]	CrystalMath	because developers should have no power
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[21:11]	CrystalMath	that's the whole point
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[21:11]	Ariadne	i have the power to choose what i spend my time on
[21:11]	CrystalMath	developers have no responsibility to improve the demographics of free software projects
[21:11]	CrystalMath	why? because they should have no power
[21:11]	CrystalMath	with no power comes no responsibility
[21:11]	Ariadne	providing technical support to andrew lee's friends is not something i am required to spend my time on
[21:12]		*XRevan86 curious about if developers/moderators should have the power to shut people off who speak the Truth about Satan
[21:12]	CrystalMath	the list of Andrew Lee's friends is really just freenode.net/people, the rest are now less liked
[21:14]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: honestly i don't, unless it's severe spam
[21:14]	CrystalMath	which it often becomes
[21:14]	Ariadne	CrystalMath is not doing, allah is doing
[21:14]	Ariadne	techrights is not doing, allah is doing
[21:15]	XRevan86	Ariadne: Oh, I see ye're a woman of culture.
[21:15]	Ariadne	i forget the rest of the spam
[21:15]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I am filing a lawsuit against Lemonade.
[21:15]	Ariadne	wtf is lemonade
[21:15]	XRevan86	Knowing the Ramzan Kadyrov's phrase.
[21:15]	DaemonFC	For violating the Illinois Biometric Privacy Act.
[21:15]	DaemonFC	A renter's and homeowner's insurance app.
[21:15]	Ariadne	o
[21:15]	Ariadne	i am boring
[21:16]	DaemonFC	I submitted a loss and they took my facial biometrics and stored them.
[21:16]	XRevan86	( https://youtu.be/CG2ijbTappY )
[21:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- , - YouTube
[21:16]	Ariadne	i use USAA for homeowner's insurance
[21:16]	DaemonFC	So now I have standing to file a lawsuit against them for that.
[21:16]	DaemonFC	So I'm retaining an attorney.
[21:16]	XRevan86	(No matter what we ask of you, ye say "from Allah" and ye prove that not from Allah!)
[21:16]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: this was spammed all over freenode years ago
[21:16]	DaemonFC	Ariadne, They'll probably settle.
[21:17]	XRevan86	Conclusion: Putin is Allah
[21:17]	Ariadne	yeah what CrystalMath said
[21:17]	CrystalMath	i think it was skraito's doing
[21:17]	CrystalMath	but skraito is not doing, Allah is doing
[21:17]	CrystalMath	so i don't know
[21:17]	DaemonFC	Some of it will be monetary damages, of course, but I'll ask for part of the settlement to be that they cease the practice and destroy all of the records they took previously if we can do that.
[21:17]	XRevan86	CrystalMath, Ariadne: Just a coincidence? A pity.
[21:18]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: yeah it would go like "the sun is not doing, Allah is doing; the moon is not doing, Allah is doing"
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[21:18]	Ariadne	the moon is definitely doing
[21:18]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: sometimes "freenode is not doing, Allah is doing"
[21:18]	CrystalMath	i remmeber that one as well
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[21:19]	psydruid	Putin Hu Akbar, Alhamdulilah
[21:19]	Ariadne	also,
[21:19]	Ariadne	gpsd 3.23 is out in most distros today
[21:19]	Ariadne	if you use gps for timekeeping
[21:19]	Ariadne	you should really upgrade
[21:19]	Ariadne	if you don't, October 24th is going to be a bad day for you
[21:19]	Ariadne	because your system will be taking a trip back to 2001
[21:19]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: I feel a spiritual connection with my President just reading that.
[21:20]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: you live in Chechnya??
[21:20]		*Ariadne debates making chicken tetrazini for dinner
[21:20]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: No, the other one.
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[21:21]	Ariadne	CrystalMath: at any rate, evilnet is not blocked from getting their support from not-me
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[21:21]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: https://youtu.be/CG2ijbTappY
[21:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- , - YouTube
[21:21]	XRevan86	oops, wrong one
[21:21]	Ariadne	i think it is acceptable to attach preconditions to how my time gets volunteered
[21:21]	XRevan86	https://youtu.be/KgsmvZcADbU
[21:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-: - YouTube
[21:24]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: yes i remember that
[21:24]	CrystalMath	:)
[21:24]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Did ye see this one: https://youtu.be/RfZqK5YuPLI ?
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[21:25]	DaemonFC	Where is schestowitz actually?
[21:25]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: 17s and 50s are the good moments.
[21:25]	DaemonFC	I don't like it when companies do this facial recognition crap.
[21:25]	Ariadne	hmm, true
[21:25]	DaemonFC	I'd sue them primarily to poke them in the eye, honestly. They need to cut this out.
[21:25]	Ariadne	schestowitz has been gone all day
[21:25]	Ariadne	wonder what that is about
[21:26]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Ye should get "I am Russia, don, Russia is I" without translation :).
[21:27]	Ariadne	i should go visit my grandparents again next week
[21:27]	Ariadne	the IKEA finally has blahaj back in stock
[21:27]		*psydruid - -
[21:30]	DaemonFC	Ariadne, Lemonade is basically a tech company that buys reinsurance.
[21:30]	XRevan86	psydruid: , , . ? :)
[21:30]	DaemonFC	It's insane, but they offer low rates.
[21:30]	gustaf	blhaj
[21:30]	Ariadne	DaemonFC: shit like that should be illegal
[21:31]	DaemonFC	Yeah, that's how MetroMile has been operating too.
[21:31]	Ariadne	you should have a direct relationship with your insurance agent
[21:31]	Ariadne	anything else is insane
[21:32]	DaemonFC	There's no agent.
[21:32]	DaemonFC	Just an app.
[21:33]	DaemonFC	MetroMile makes more money. If you get a quote in a state they don't operate in, they quietly forward it to other insurance companies and then by the time you get a "Sorry." page, you're forwarded to Progressive or something and they have all your info.
[21:33]	DaemonFC	That way they get a commission for routing business to companies they don't compete with in that state.
[21:34]	DaemonFC	brb
[21:34]	Ariadne	yes
[21:34]	Ariadne	that's insane
[21:35]	psydruid	XRevan86, ju mwi po polsku, nawet lepiej ni po rosyjsku i po serbsku, ale podobaj mi si wicej rosyjski, ukraiski i serbski :)
[21:36]	kingoffrance	"That way they get a commission for routing business to companies they don't compete with in that state."  am i missing something, or does that sound like collusion/monopoly/ ?
[21:36]	DaemonFC	Ariadne, Well, when some traditional insurance company offers me a better deal...
[21:36]	kingoffrance	maybe a less severe word, but ...
[21:37]	kingoffrance	cartel, bro!
[21:38]	Ariadne	DaemonFC: and when your fly by night insurance doesn't pay out and you get sued? :p
[21:38]	Ariadne	i can't believe that flies in illinois
[21:39]	Ariadne	they would never let that shit happen here
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[21:39]	DaemonFC	<Ariadne> DaemonFC: and when your fly by night insurance doesn't pay out and you get sued? :p
[21:39]	DaemonFC	Illinois forces the other party to sue the insurance company first, up to your limits.
[21:40]	DaemonFC	The state also forces them to have an account with the state with enough money in it to pay expected claims outstanding if they stop doing business here or declare bankruptcy.
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[21:40]	DaemonFC	If they tried that, the claim would be paid out from the account on file with the state government.
[21:41]	DaemonFC	That's why I figure it's safe enough to do business with MetroMile or Root.
[21:42]	DaemonFC	Ariadne, The standard practice with insurance companies and claims is to try to snow the person making the claim under and minimize the settlement offer.
[21:43]	DaemonFC	You'll get that whether you go with MetroMile or Allstate or State Farm or Liberty Mutual.
[21:44]	DaemonFC	If they simply paid out and didn't try to lowball people and stall things, they'd end up paying more money and then they'd turn around and raise everybody's rates.
[21:44]	Ariadne	in oklahoma, they are limited in how much they can do that
[21:44]	Ariadne	if i total someone's car
[21:45]	Ariadne	they get a new car of equal value
[21:45]	Ariadne	it's the law
[21:45]	DaemonFC	In Indiana in 2002, a drunk driver took his daughter's car and went drinking. He blew threw a stoplight and rammed the side of my car.
[21:45]	DaemonFC	Progressive, his daughter's insurance company, offered me $2,200 and said they'd take the car.
[21:46]	Ariadne	yeah theyre not allowed to do that here :)
[21:46]	DaemonFC	I told them I wanted the book value of the car, which was $2,800, and I'd keep the car. I'm not a litigious person but I wasn't going to let them roll me like that.
[21:46]	DaemonFC	I ended up getting the car back and the $2,800.
[21:47]	DaemonFC	I took it to some hillbilly mechanic out in the country and had him put some doors on it I got at a junkyard. Between paying for those and paying him, I got the car fixed for about $800 and kept the $2,000 for myself. The drunk driver went to jail.
[21:48]	DaemonFC	Progressive also had to reimburse my insurance for putting me in a rental car for two weeks, because my policy covered it.
[21:48]	DaemonFC	So they ended up paying $60 a day for that for 14 days.
[21:48]	XRevan86	psydruid: , , , , .
[21:53]	DaemonFC	 Ariadne On the surface, the idea is sound.
[21:53]	DaemonFC	Per-mile insurance.
[21:53]	DaemonFC	They can quantify how much risk is involved, on average, per mile traveled, and charge for most of the month based on that.
[21:54]	psydruid	XRevan86, , 
[21:54]	DaemonFC	You can game it a little bit by making an effort to find the route with the shortest distance. The funny thing is, that might encourage you to take a riskier path.
[21:55]	XRevan86	psydruid: "lepiej", , .
[21:58]	XRevan86	psydruid: "wicej" : "more", . "" "" ( /).
[21:59]	DaemonFC	I actually gave a "lemons" example yesterday.
● Aug 09
[22:00]	DaemonFC	The company that bags the lemons that get sold at Walmart says they're 2 pound bags. But the bags are anywhere from 2 to 2.35 pounds out of the 11 bags I checked that day.
[22:00]	XRevan86	psydruid: , %).
[22:00]	DaemonFC	If you take the time to weigh all of them, you can leave with 2.35 pounds of lemons instead of 2. Other people won't have the 2.35 pound bag available and probably won't check, and will leave with fewer lemons at the same price you paid.
[22:01]	DaemonFC	The company broke no laws because of variance rules, you broke no laws because the store said each bag of lemons is the same price.
[22:01]	DaemonFC	So within the law, you're a little better off at everyone else's expense.
[22:02]	psydruid	XRevan86: , :)
[22:05]	XRevan86	psydruid: , ( XVIII ), , - .
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[22:12]	AdmFubar	https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210805/07520947306/us-press-softsells-real-scope-atts-merger-incompetence-ensuring-it-will-happen-again.shtml
[22:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-US Press Softsells The Real Scope Of AT&T's Merger Incompetence, Ensuring It Will Happen Again | Techdirt
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[22:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NY Legislators Offer Up Bill That Would Allow Cops To Sue People For Not Doing Enough Bootlicking | Techdirt
[22:23]	AdmFubar	https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-firm-asks-google-to-block-127-0-0-1-210808/
[22:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Anti-Piracy Firm Asks Google to Block 127.0.0.1 * TorrentFreak
[22:25]	AdmFubar	https://torrentfreak.com/pub-testers-being-recruited-to-clamp-down-on-football-piracy-210808/
[22:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Pub Testers' Being Recruited To Clamp Down on Football Piracy * TorrentFreak
[22:32]	psydruid	XRevan86, I use the references I find in works like http://sanskrt.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/LekhaCognate-Words-in-Sanskrit-and-Russian.pdf to map many words I learn in Russian and other Slavic languages to those in Sanskrit and Hindi (where applicable), because I find it just makes more sense that way
[22:35]	AdmFubar	https://hackaday.com/2021/08/09/using-a-laser-to-blast-away-a-bayer-array/
[22:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Using A Laser To Blast Away A Bayer Array | Hackaday
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[22:44]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/21071537
[22:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5677042)
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[23:31]	DaemonFC	I don't know what the size of the settlement would be.
[23:32]	DaemonFC	Some other BIPA settlements have landed the lead plaintiffs like $50,000 or more after the attorney fees.
[23:32]	DaemonFC	That would be hilarious. John got mugged, I filed an insurance claim, BIPA lawsuit happens, I get a windfall.
[23:33]	DaemonFC	John never figures out that any of this happened.
[23:33]	DaemonFC	Meanwhile, I'm driving around in a brand new Big-Ass Car.
[23:33]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[23:34]	DaemonFC	With money leftover for a down payment on a house and to wipe my records.
[23:35]	DaemonFC	The universe is a funny place.
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[23:41]		*schestowitz back
[23:41]	schestowitz	we have another explosive expose coming short. Part 4.
[23:42]	schestowitz	Croatia and N. Macedonia
[23:42]	MinceR	big ass-car
[23:42]	schestowitz	big-ass car?
[23:42]	schestowitz	or part ass, part car?
[23:43]	MinceR	a car that's either made of ass or is designed to transport asses
[23:43]	MinceR	which is big
[23:43]	schestowitz	BTW
[23:43]	schestowitz	analogy came to mind
[23:43]	schestowitz	seeing what rianne put in tuxmachines
[23:43]	schestowitz	us moving off the big IRC networks?
[23:44]	schestowitz	a lot like valve and linux
[23:44]	schestowitz	no matter the market share of linux on valve
[23:44]	schestowitz	valve DOES NOT want to be at Microsoft's mercy
[23:44]	schestowitz	and it's run by someone from MIcorosoft
[23:44]	schestowitz	who should know well why
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[23:45]	MinceR	and yet valve is at microsoft's mercy
[23:45]	MinceR	and as long as steamos is based on Linux and Linux is controlled by the LDF which is controlled by microsoft, valve remains at microsoft's mercy
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[23:58]	schestowitz	still vastly better than basing on Windows
[23:58]	schestowitz	you cannot compete with Microsoft when you use Microsoft things, inc. shithub
[23:58]	schestowitz	so valve need to delete that, too
[23:59]	DaemonFC	I found that cronie for Linux is now on GitHub.
[23:59]	MinceR	vastly better, but the difference is being reduced all the time