●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, January 10, 2021 ●● ● Jan 10 [00:00] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [00:02] techrights-ipfs test #techrights [00:03] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [00:03] schestowitz vZS1: ii now running on the pi with ipfs [00:05] schestowitz ipfs stats bw | grep TotalIn >/home/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/ii-1.8/techrights2/irc.freenode.net/#techrights/in [00:05] techrights-ipfs TotalIn: 27 GB [00:10] *techrights-ipfs has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [00:14] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [00:15] techrights-ipfs TotalIn: 27 GB [00:15] techrights-ipfs New bulletin generated and added to IPFS: [00:19] vZS1 > schestowitz: vZS1: do you want me to do some work on IPFS to the effect noted? [00:19] schestowitz yes, if possible [00:19] schestowitz as I am new to it [00:20] vZS1 > schestowitz: or is that, being unstable (still) as mentioned, to be a side project for now? I have lots of spare time tonight/tomorrow. [00:20] schestowitz the above should put in the new ipfs cid when a new one is added, it's not part of the cron job [00:20] schestowitz at 3am ish we'll see if that worked [00:20] schestowitz at around 2:40 we'll know for sure if the same works from my pc for irc logs [00:21] vZS1 If you want to do something with IPFS, try it out. It's software; all software has bugs you need to deal with. There's no point waiting for it to be perfect. [00:21] schestowitz Yes, I am aware [00:22] schestowitz I am going to work on irc status layout [00:22] schestowitz for concision [00:22] vZS1 I'll deal with the issues as they come up [00:25] techrights-ipfs TotalIn: 27 GB [00:26] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [00:28] techrights-ipfs TotalIn: 27 GB [00:28] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [00:29] vZS1 Since you've got some time, try out IPNS a bit and see what you think. [00:34] vZS1 I've noticed IPNS through the HTTP gateway takes a while to load. It's a lot faster from the CLI. [00:35] techrights-ipfs IPFS local node TotalIn: 27 GB TotalOut: 12 GB [00:35] schestowitz that's just [00:35] schestowitz BWIn=$(ipfs stats bw | grep TotalIn) [00:35] schestowitz BWOut=$(ipfs stats bw | grep TotalOut) [00:35] schestowitz echo "IPFS local node $BWIn $BWOut " [00:36] schestowitz I will try ipns next [00:39] vZS1 Once you're comfortable with IPNS, I can set up an IPNS object that keeps track of your Rpi's public IP address. It'll make things more convenient for us. [00:39] schestowitz thanks! [00:39] vZS1 I don't want to go ahead until you're on the same page though; which is why I wrote the IPNS how-to for you. [00:40] schestowitz I think that the cronjob will now work and echo new cids as they're created [00:40] schestowitz we'll know in a few hours [00:41] schestowitz in theory we could put ii on the server also, the webserver [00:41] schestowitz and get some info from there, but no practical use to it that I can think of, also a security risk [00:42] vZS1 I'd keep only what's necessary. [00:42] schestowitz am going to take a nap now, bbl [00:42] vZS1 Cya [00:42] schestowitz will see if that worked when I wake up [00:46] techrights-bot #IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146319 #GNU #Linux [00:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:52] vZS1 I'll check if my node crashed again later today ● Jan 10 [01:09] MinceR https://imgur.com/gallery/5WB9jnO [01:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The whole GOP it's going to try to pretend they haven't been complicit these last 4 years. 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[02:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Saturday, January 09, 2021 [02:43] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-01-09.txt [02:49] *mcole (~sdfsidjf@KD113148020047.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) has joined #techrights ● Jan 10 [03:00] techrights-ipfs IPFS local node stats TotalIn: 27 GB TotalOut: 12 GB [03:00] techrights-ipfs New bulletin just generated and added to IPFS with CID: [03:00] techrights-ipfs QmUkrxvJRop3NdRoZycgbUJyuFTkHiSGCsbK647F4cj3sf [03:34] *abarr (~aplsm@KD113148020047.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) has joined #techrights [03:44] *abarr has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) ● Jan 10 [04:03] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [04:28] Ariadne i would be willing to take pleroma.site back over i guess [04:28] Ariadne though i amnot in favor of modern pleroma [04:28] Ariadne it is architecturally bad [04:44] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [04:56] schestowitz Ariadne: yes, I recall you saying something about RAM strains it can cause [04:57] schestowitz Ariadne: he says it's a financial burden on him [04:58] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, January 09, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:59] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index ● Jan 10 [05:00] Ariadne the real question is whether pleroma can run on s390x [05:00] Ariadne if it can [05:00] MinceR :) [05:00] Ariadne i have an IBM Enterprise Parallel Server, model z13 with 4TB of RAM and 8 processor books (for a total of 160 cores at 5ghz) [05:01] Ariadne meaning i can just [05:01] Ariadne give it a shitload of RAM and call it a day [05:01] Ariadne ^_^ [05:01] MinceR :> [05:02] schestowitz looks like my first attempt at the ipfs and TR bots was bug-free, checking if all the links above work properly and are also the correct ones [05:03] Ariadne the problem is, [05:03] Ariadne pleroma is really shit architecturally [05:03] techrights-bot 2 minutes is a long time https://imgur.com/gallery/5WB9jnO [05:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The whole GOP it's going to try to pretend they haven't been complicit these last 4 years. Don't let them. - Album on Imgur [05:03] Ariadne they decided cheap features and working with bigots was better for growth than just producing a good product [05:03] Ariadne and the architecture shows the result of that philosophy [05:10] Ariadne but, again i think the fediverse is not great [05:10] Ariadne i think social media has been a net negative for society, too [05:12] schestowitz I agree [05:12] schestowitz but... [05:12] schestowitz notice I still use it [05:12] schestowitz IRC is less unruly [05:12] schestowitz the nature of it is, people who think alike converge [05:12] CrystalMath pleroma? isn't it just a fork of mastodon? [05:12] CrystalMath or GNU social [05:12] schestowitz it's not a pool that weds people who hate each other [05:12] schestowitz CrystalMath: no [05:12] schestowitz more like gnu socials [05:12] MinceR Unruly Evil [05:12] schestowitz gnu social/statusnet [05:12] schestowitz with elixir [05:12] schestowitz afaik [05:13] Ariadne CrystalMath: pleroma is an independent implementation, but pleroma 2 is really awful [05:13] CrystalMath okay so how is it different from mastodon? [05:13] CrystalMath Ariadne: does it support free speech? [05:13] Ariadne pleroma 1 was fast and efficient, pleroma 2 is less efficient than mastodon which is just amazing [05:13] CrystalMath if yes, then i'm in [05:13] schestowitz CrystalMath: the problem is death threats [05:13] Ariadne what do you mean by "support free speech" [05:13] CrystalMath supports the idea that anyone can have any opinion [05:13] schestowitz some people include in free speech things that are against the law [05:13] Ariadne it is AGPL software, anybody may download and run their own instance [05:14] CrystalMath i said opinion [05:14] CrystalMath not crap like death threats [05:14] schestowitz I saw calls for violent sedition weeks ago in Twitter, in my notifications even [05:14] Ariadne whether or not people choose to federate with you (or allow you an account on their instance) is obviously up to the individual [05:14] Ariadne a lot of people conflate "free speech" with "people are required to read my posts" [05:14] CrystalMath Ariadne: i see, i'm asking because you said "works with bigots" [05:15] CrystalMath i'd rather listen to bigots then one long trail of monoculture one-track minds [05:15] schestowitz gab is problematic [05:15] schestowitz I posted in gab because twitter kept shadowbanning me [05:15] schestowitz like 50 times [05:15] schestowitz and gab back then had not only lunatics [05:15] Ariadne CrystalMath: i'd rather not work with people who say in the shared workspace that people like me should die [05:15] CrystalMath Ariadne: i'm okay with people telling me to die every once in a while, it happens [05:16] Ariadne it makes for a hostile working environment [05:16] MinceR "dieplz" [05:16] CrystalMath though, last time i was on rizon, it's more like 100% of the time [05:16] CrystalMath MinceR: thanks [05:16] MinceR lol [05:16] CrystalMath MinceR: i appreciate your contribution to the diversity of opinions [05:16] MinceR source of quote >> http://jeje.je/lame.html [05:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jeje.je | HOW TO BE LAME v1.337 [05:16] Ariadne i also think that entire classes of people being encouraged to die is not a valid contribution to the diversity of opinions [05:17] Ariadne anyway, those people decided that writing badly designed code quickly was more important than moving slow and incrementally. [05:18] Ariadne but pleroma was originally embraced by the queer free software community, so the pivot to collaborating with TERFs was problematic [05:18] CrystalMath but what do TERFs have to do with pleroma's software design [05:18] schestowitz [05:15] Ariadne: i'm okay with people telling me to die every once in a while, it happens [05:18] schestowitz not everyone is OK with that [05:18] Ariadne the TERFs hired developers to work on pleroma, those developers were incompetent [05:18] schestowitz and it goes beyond limits [05:19] schestowitz it's a rhetoric suggesting you might kill them, if you could [05:20] Ariadne the TERFs also pressured management into pressuring the original contributors into interacting with the TERFs [05:20] Ariadne many of the original contributors gave up and left the fediverse or switched to mastodon [05:20] schestowitz you could fork it [05:20] Ariadne management has now erased that history [05:20] schestowitz and become lead dev, based on v. 1.x [05:20] CrystalMath Ariadne: ah, but that means that there's nothinga about the software that is TERF-y [05:20] CrystalMath *nothing [05:20] Ariadne CrystalMath: management is TERF-y [05:21] MinceR or you could just revive 1.x, possibly under a new name :> [05:21] Ariadne there are some interest in doing that [05:22] CrystalMath schestowitz: tbh i rarely get murder threats, maybe twice or three times total [05:22] Ariadne CrystalMath: the software is bloated crap that stores RDF objects for every single vote in a poll, for example [05:22] CrystalMath Ariadne: yikes [05:22] Ariadne Pleroma 2 is like, they looked at ZOPE and thought "this is a great idea, lets do it in Elixir" [05:22] schestowitz [05:22] schestowitz: tbh i rarely get murder threats, maybe twice or three times total [05:23] schestowitz In gab I sometimes got that many in one hour [05:23] schestowitz for as little as criticising Trump strongly [05:23] Ariadne CrystalMath: i think people would have been more tolerant of the TERF-involvement if the software itself was not becoming bloated crap [05:23] *schestowitz thinks a lot of software should stop being developed [05:23] *MinceR agrees [05:24] *schestowitz thinks there's a tendency to over-develop and over-engineer things, adding bloat and complexity where none was needed anymore [05:24] Ariadne but if the software is bad, and the community is bad [05:24] schestowitz those are two different things [05:24] CrystalMath Ariadne: what i was hoping, is that your criticism actually means that pleroma has some brilliant trick that prevents people from being banned no matter what they say [05:24] schestowitz software development has community [05:24] schestowitz the software itself does not [05:24] CrystalMath basically magically [05:24] Ariadne yes, but contributors have to consider both aspects [05:24] schestowitz CrystalMath: that's ipfs [05:24] CrystalMath right [05:25] CrystalMath IPFS is good [05:25] schestowitz assange looked into it [05:25] Ariadne CrystalMath: the trick is "run your own instance" [05:25] schestowitz I told him to get off twitter, which wikileaks became overreliant obn [05:25] schestowitz twitter censored and banned wikileaks countless times [05:25] schestowitz some accounts never came back, but nobody noticed [05:25] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [05:26] Ariadne CrystalMath: in a federated network, people can choose or not choose to interact with you. there is no "shadow ban" or anything like that. [05:26] CrystalMath schestowitz: well maybe Gab has "average Trump people" which are just as polarized as the other side, and just as nasty [05:26] CrystalMath on freenode, Trump people aren't like that [05:26] Ariadne schestowitz: anyway, management could have chosen to condemn kiwifarms using the software, but chose not to [05:26] Ariadne that honestly should have been a warning sign [05:27] Ariadne (yes, the license allows it, but that doesn't mean the authors of the software have to be like "yeah this is great") [05:28] schestowitz kiwifarms? [05:28] CrystalMath kiwifarms/ [05:28] Ariadne the US military uses Alpine, but they don't participate in the alpine community [05:28] CrystalMath *? [05:28] schestowitz BTW, someone ("moon") from shitposter "invited" me to join [05:28] schestowitz after pleroma.site went offline [05:28] Ariadne kiwifarms is a website run by alt-right people [05:28] schestowitz alt reich [05:28] Ariadne they basically dox people who disagree with alt-right views [05:28] CrystalMath i just found this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms [05:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Kiwi Farms - Wikipedia [05:28] CrystalMath it's very bizarre [05:28] schestowitz reichreichreichreich achtung achtungachtungachtung [05:29] CrystalMath reminds me of Gamergate a little? [05:29] schestowitz they do cultural approporiation [05:29] Ariadne anyway, if kiwi farms had used GNU Social or Mastodon, i would expect the maintainers wouldn't be welcoming them aboard [05:29] schestowitz like the cute drug [05:29] schestowitz and "kek" [05:29] schestowitz *frog [05:30] schestowitz it helps them ride connotations that are positive [05:30] schestowitz until they run dry [05:30] schestowitz as they do with Shamans [05:30] schestowitz take something peaceful [05:30] Ariadne yes, anyway, i warned management that alt-right trying to appropriate Pleroma's community is not good [05:30] schestowitz like a swastika [05:30] CrystalMath i remember Gamergate, it seemed like a legitimate inquiry, until i realized the game they said could never have gotten a 4/5 rating without corrupted gaming journalism is actually EPIC [05:30] schestowitz hijack it, pretend to have embraced those values [05:30] CrystalMath i would give Depression Quest a 5/5 [05:31] Ariadne but they were like "lol its fine" [05:31] Ariadne i should have honestly quit then and there [05:31] schestowitz just some "proud boys" "having fun" [05:31] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [05:31] schestowitz and having "computer games" where you score points by mowing down people in a mosque [05:31] Ariadne a bunch of alt-right install your software and you celebrate that fact, it's definitely a red flag :))) [05:31] schestowitz gamification of ethnic cleansing [05:32] Ariadne of course the license allows it, but the AGPL does not require you to be nice to them [05:32] Ariadne :P [05:32] Ariadne and so that is the paradox of free software, when you release it, anyone can use it [05:33] Ariadne but that paradox does not apply to actual management of the project [05:33] schestowitz it's not a new issue [05:33] schestowitz techrights wrote about it ages ago [05:33] Ariadne you can choose to avoid interaction with alt-right people [05:33] Ariadne lol [05:33] schestowitz in relation to drone strikes and stuff [05:33] schestowitz lots of gnu in those drones [05:33] schestowitz they used to use Windows many moons ago [05:33] Ariadne those drones run on alpine [05:33] schestowitz IIRC, Iran intercepted at least one by remotely infesting it with malware [05:33] Ariadne well, linuxkit [05:33] schestowitz (or claimed to) [05:34] Ariadne which is just industrialized alpine [05:34] schestowitz I didn't know which bundle of "linux" [05:34] schestowitz I imagined some form of redhat [05:34] CrystalMath well the Chloe Sagal case is tragic, but the other two listed on the wiki are just bizarre [05:34] Ariadne i know because raytheon wrote to us asking for license summary of all packages they used [05:34] Ariadne :P [05:36] schestowitz raytheon :-) [05:36] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/04/24/raytheon-blessed-by-red-hat/ [05:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Giving Awards to Raytheon Wont Help Red Hats Image | Techrights [05:37] CrystalMath why is it bad that they were hosting the christchurch attack video? [05:37] CrystalMath don't the people deserve to know? [05:37] schestowitz ? [05:37] Ariadne i don't care about that, i care about the doxing [05:37] schestowitz massacre is not "knowing" [05:37] CrystalMath kiwifarms was attacked by the government of New Zealand, and blocked, because they shared a video of the attack [05:37] schestowitz no reason to share that [05:37] schestowitz the police should share it [05:37] schestowitz among itself [05:38] CrystalMath but the people deserve to know it happened [05:38] Ariadne sharing the video is illegal in NZ [05:38] schestowitz maybe the NZ army [05:38] CrystalMath wasn't it on the news? [05:38] Ariadne and they didn't share it so people would know it happened [05:38] Ariadne they shared it to inspire copy cat attacks [05:38] schestowitz it rewards terrorists [05:38] CrystalMath you can see all kinds of attacks and accidents on youtube [05:38] CrystalMath i don't see why this one is special [05:39] schestowitz youtube has policy on depiction of violence [05:39] CrystalMath i do recall seeing a video of attacks on mosques done in the 90s [05:39] CrystalMath well that was 5 years ago [05:39] schestowitz in collateral murder it's grainy enough [05:39] Ariadne yeah anyway kiwifarms ain't no wikileaks [05:39] CrystalMath still, i think that attempting to hide the video is suspicious [05:40] CrystalMath if NZ shares it only amongst themselves [05:40] CrystalMath how will we know it's not a setup? [05:40] CrystalMath i mean, i have no reason to believe that that one was a setup [05:40] CrystalMath but to prevent future setups, this should be available to everyone [05:40] CrystalMath the government MUST be transparent [05:40] Ariadne anyway [05:40] schestowitz CrystalMath: what about beheadings? [05:40] Ariadne pleroma also tried to make a deal with gab [05:40] schestowitz should we have those too on youtube? [05:41] schestowitz even Internet Archive wipes those uploads [05:41] schestowitz no point to them [05:41] CrystalMath idk about youtube, but they should be allowed [05:41] Ariadne like literally any decision they could make to alienate the original contributor base, they basically did [05:41] CrystalMath they're evidence of a crime [05:41] schestowitz leave that to police [05:41] schestowitz and army/intel agencies [05:41] CrystalMath so if the police are corrupt, that's it [05:42] CrystalMath i disagree [05:42] CrystalMath i think people should be allowed to do their own investigations [05:42] schestowitz you don't really want beheading videos all over youtube [05:42] CrystalMath of course not, why youtube anyway? i'm talking about the fact that it's illegal in NZ [05:42] MinceR what if i want to watch people being beheaded? [05:42] CrystalMath NZ is a criminal state as far as i'm concerned [05:42] schestowitz it would make society exceedingly insensitised [05:43] schestowitz MinceR: get a movie [05:43] CrystalMath i can't possibly hate NZ more [05:43] schestowitz where the beheading is fictional [05:43] schestowitz like horror movies [05:43] CrystalMath i already had maximum hate for this [05:43] MinceR what if i want to see it done in a nonfictional way? [05:43] MinceR the data already exists, it won't harm anyone if it's copied and viewed [05:44] CrystalMath MinceR: like a snuff film? ugh, i forgot people do that [05:44] schestowitz it's going down a bad path, as then you could argue about kiddie pr0n [05:44] schestowitz the "what if..." [05:44] MinceR copying and viewing that also doesn't harm people [05:44] schestowitz and maybe more beheadings would be filmed to get widely watched [05:44] CrystalMath i should clarify that i didn't mean individual murders, but rather murders done in public [05:44] schestowitz and that can leads to more filming or acts of terror for the sake of filming them, for glory [05:44] MinceR no, if you limit the spread of existing beheading videos, that causes a demand for new ones to be made [05:45] CrystalMath i didn't mean to support snuff videos [05:45] schestowitz lots of people with 'smart' phone cams already do terrible things to film them and put them on social control media [05:45] schestowitz being rude to people and stuff... [05:45] Ariadne anyway [05:45] MinceR there's also the Streisand effect [05:45] CrystalMath i mean that things done in public should be investigated by the public [05:45] MinceR "oh no! anyway..." [05:45] Ariadne schestowitz: pleroma 2 supports the ActivityPub Move activity [05:45] schestowitz that's a bit vigilante-like [05:46] schestowitz maybe you also want fingerprints of suspects on the www [05:46] schestowitz and autopsies with photos [05:46] Ariadne schestowitz: so my suggestion would be to set up your own techrights instance, and then use a Move activity to migrate your followers over [05:46] MinceR sounds like a privacy violation [05:46] schestowitz that would raise all sorts of other legal issues [05:46] CrystalMath schestowitz: that stuff isn't even shared with police officers that don't work on that case [05:47] CrystalMath this is a public event that people saw on the news [05:47] schestowitz Ariadne: the main issue is, I lack experience setting up and more so maintaining that software, I only know it as a user [05:47] Ariadne schestowitz: at this point, 99% of instances support Move activity. so it should be basically seamless to get your posts and users. [05:47] Ariadne i can set something up for you [05:47] CrystalMath schestowitz: should we ban clips of WW2? [05:47] schestowitz Ariadne: I think pleroma.site needs to be online for that to happen [05:47] CrystalMath that was a public event [05:47] CrystalMath i don't count it as a "snuff film" [05:48] schestowitz CrystalMath: depends on the granularity [05:48] CrystalMath there are clips of bombs falling [05:48] schestowitz they show you dead Vietnamese, but not kids being literally dismembered by a bomb as it happens [05:48] schestowitz Ariadne: sounds good! [05:48] CrystalMath sometimes it includes people screaming and running [05:49] CrystalMath this clip was used in an actual obscure movie about Godzilla [05:49] CrystalMath that's how i know about it [05:49] CrystalMath someone made a Godzilla remake, using WW2 clips [05:49] schestowitz trust me, you don't want to see people blown to bits [05:49] CrystalMath back in the 70s/80s [05:49] schestowitz or suicide bomb footage with limbs flying [05:49] CrystalMath i don't, but i didn't... the quality is so bad it's impossible [05:50] CrystalMath i didn't actually see the whole Godzilla remake itself, but rather a youtube video about it [05:50] CrystalMath and how it used actually WW2 footage to increase the horror effect [05:50] CrystalMath to be specific [05:50] CrystalMath maybe the quality was further degraded by the uploader to censor it [05:51] MinceR 10 064921 < schestowitz> trust me, you don't want to see people blown to bits [05:51] CrystalMath s/actually/actual/ [05:51] MinceR trust me, i do [05:51] MinceR i regularly do in video games :> [05:51] Ariadne jesus christ [05:51] CrystalMath MinceR: yuck [05:51] Ariadne pleroma is now trying to drive AP development [05:51] CrystalMath AP? [05:51] Ariadne and their plans are garbage [05:52] schestowitz EEE? [05:52] schestowitz backward compatible? [05:52] Ariadne backward compatible, but just badly designed [05:52] schestowitz FEECHERS [05:52] schestowitz More FEECHERS [05:53] schestowitz Coming soon: support for emojis with green-skinned characters [05:54] Ariadne anyway [05:54] Ariadne i think activitypub is not very good anyway [05:54] Ariadne there are a lot of architectural flaws [05:54] CrystalMath i call that one day there will be a character in unicode that renders as the entire Doom game [05:55] MinceR nice [05:55] MinceR best unicode ever [05:55] MinceR as long as it's the original doom [05:55] CrystalMath and it accepts the same modifiers as other emoji, to change the main character's skin color and gender [05:55] MinceR ew [05:55] CrystalMath to make it harder to implement :P [05:55] CrystalMath nobody's implementing Unicode 153.5 [05:56] MinceR the sad thing is that the redmond mafia owns the intellectual monopolies to it now :( [05:56] *mcole has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [05:56] MinceR not that zenimax on its own was a lot better [05:56] MinceR maybe use freedoom instead or something [05:56] CrystalMath Doom is free as in freedom [05:56] MinceR the code is [05:56] CrystalMath only the data isn't [05:56] MinceR the assets aren't [05:57] CrystalMath right [05:57] schestowitz "assets" [05:57] MinceR and the assets would be necessarily visible in that character [05:57] MinceR also, to tie it to the earlier discussion, maybe it could use one of those gore mods too... [05:57] schestowitz isn't there an emoji for the doom guy already? :-) [05:57] MinceR Ketchup, Bolognese or Nash's Gore Mod... [05:57] schestowitz or for Marilyn Monroe or something? [05:58] Ariadne and W3C is trying to force SOLiD on ActivityPub community [05:58] schestowitz coming soon: emoji for cheeto hitler [05:58] MinceR schestowitz: i'm not aware of it, but i don't know all the emoji [05:58] CrystalMath there should be a Doom variant with Marilyn Monroe as the main character [05:58] MinceR you could make one [05:58] schestowitz let's check [05:59] schestowitz Emoji Celebrities [05:59] schestowitz Here, Kate Jackson transforms the monikers of 15 celebrities into emojis. [05:59] schestowitz ... [05:59] schestowitz Answers: [05:59] schestowitz Tom Cruise. [05:59] schestowitz David Beckham. [05:59] schestowitz Mike Tyson. [05:59] schestowitz Margot Robbie. [05:59] schestowitz Alec Baldwin. [05:59] schestowitz Elton John. [05:59] CrystalMath MinceR: hmm, what if people interpret it as Marilyn Monroe going to hell? :( [05:59] schestowitz Penelope Cruz. [05:59] schestowitz Rowan Atkinson. [05:59] schestowitz that's different [05:59] schestowitz oh gosh [05:59] schestowitz I hate emoji fetishists [05:59] Ariadne thanks for the flood [05:59] MinceR CrystalMath: well, if you're going through the classic doom episodes, you've got to go to hell ● Jan 10 [06:00] *xvx has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [06:00] MinceR if you also do Hell on Earth, that's at least 2 trips to hell [06:00] MinceR i'm not sure where They Flesh Consumed plays out [06:00] CrystalMath i've never actually played doom beyond testing it in my emulator [06:00] MinceR s/hey/hy/ [06:01] schestowitz https://www.boredpanda.com/i-made-emoji-versions-of-famous-people-that-you-never-thought-you-would-need-in-your-chat/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic [06:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.boredpanda.com | I Made Emoji Versions Of Famous People That You Never Thought You Would Need In Your Chat | Bored Panda [06:01] Ariadne anyway, maybe i should speedrun a simple AP server that schestowitz can manage [06:02] Ariadne i could probably write one in about a day [06:02] MinceR > can't even spell Hitchcock [06:02] schestowitz Ariadne: multi-user?\ [06:02] Ariadne sure [06:02] Ariadne without JavaScript crap [06:02] schestowitz yeah, I always turn that off [06:03] Ariadne Pleroma FE does require JavaScript [06:03] Ariadne :( [06:03] schestowitz no practical need for JS in 90% of cases where it is imposed [06:03] Ariadne i prefer to use native apps like uhh [06:03] schestowitz Twitter stopped working completely without JS [06:03] Ariadne Tusky and whatnot [06:04] schestowitz it's what RMS told me (fallback for no JS) that made it remotely acceptable still.... they killed that fallback december 16th 2020 [06:04] schestowitz the media paid no attention [06:04] Ariadne admittedly the Pleroma FE client is 100% libre JS [06:04] Ariadne but still, yuck [06:05] Ariadne i've never really liked that about Mastodon or Pleroma [06:05] schestowitz suckless ii is one c file [06:05] schestowitz you mentioned it yesterday [06:05] schestowitz Installed on my pc and pi now [06:05] schestowitz "justworks" [06:06] schestowitz maybe there's a need for "suckless fediverse too" [06:06] schestowitz post by writing to a file [06:06] schestowitz read in the terminal etc [06:06] schestowitz posts as std i/o streams [06:06] schestowitz the bsd geeks would certainly adopt it [06:07] schestowitz some shut down their mastodon instances lately [06:07] Ariadne well, i do not like suckless.org at large [06:07] Ariadne a lot of the people involved in that community are alt-right [06:07] Ariadne who think systemd is a jewish conspiracy [06:08] Ariadne however, some software they produce is good [06:08] *Ariadne debates using elixir for this [06:10] Ariadne though i think flask with an asyncio worker is ideal [06:10] schestowitz suckless people have an attitude [06:10] schestowitz but maybe it's easy to overgeneralise [06:10] schestowitz [06:07] who think systemd is a jewish conspiracy [06:11] Ariadne having had to remove some of them from alpine IRC channels because they were yammering about systemd :P [06:11] schestowitz Maybe they also allege Jobs and Gates are "Jewish" [06:11] schestowitz or Thomas Watson [06:11] schestowitz I only knew about suckless because of antagonism to systemd [06:11] Ariadne its frustrating, because [06:12] schestowitz systemd is German in roots [06:12] schestowitz same for PA [06:12] Ariadne elixir has a really good DB abstraction [06:12] schestowitz roR? [06:12] Ariadne fuck no [06:12] Ariadne there is alembic with flask, but it is annoying [06:13] schestowitz I don't like dhh [06:13] schestowitz he's super pretentious, more than Torvalds [06:14] schestowitz more than de raadt, too, I think [06:14] Ariadne hmm, neat [06:14] Ariadne alembic now has automatic migration generation [06:14] Ariadne ok i will use flask for this [06:16] schestowitz yes, I have noted that [06:16] *inky (~inky@141.136.76.184) has joined #techrights [06:22] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [06:22] schestowitz https://lbry.tv/@Lunduke:e/ditching-youtube-the-smart-move:6 [06:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lbry.tv | Ditching YouTube: The Smart Move [06:22] schestowitz cooll [06:24] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Call-out culture is toxic, disgusting, and vile!) [06:24] schestowitz won't argument rhough [06:25] schestowitz ALL about money [06:25] schestowitz not control [06:25] schestowitz not free speech [06:25] schestowitz not monopoly [06:25] schestowitz just money [06:29] schestowitz x https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55598887 [06:29] schestowitz # parler is not free speech and it is disingenuous for the BBC and the [06:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Google suspends 'free speech' app Parler - BBC News [06:29] schestowitz # others to push an anti-free speech agenda pretending that it is [06:29] schestowitz wow [06:29] schestowitz so they keep implying free speech implies radical [06:29] schestowitz or conflating the two things [06:33] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [06:36] Ariadne hmm, actually, why use a database at all [06:36] Ariadne just store everything as RDF on the filesystem :P [06:38] MinceR :> [06:48] schestowitz that would be under-engineering :-) [06:48] schestowitz like plat file CMS [06:48] schestowitz *flat [06:49] Ariadne it wouldn't [06:49] Ariadne RDF itself is a database, and a filesystem is a more efficient storage mechanism for an RDF graph [06:49] schestowitz No JS, no DB: http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/10/ [06:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [06:50] schestowitz synched over ssh [06:55] techrights-bot #techrights will soon publish some more #InteLeaks and maybe add a video to help obscure sources. Still unsure if (or how) to release some raw and original material. #intel [06:56] techrights-bot #patents versus #cycling https://m.pinkbike.com/news/knolly-bikes-suing-intense-for-alleged-patent-infringement.html [06:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Knolly Bikes Suing Intense for Alleged Patent Infringement - Pinkbike [06:56] *notanamber (~luca@2001:b07:a16:5bc0:bd01:a12:47e2:5907) has joined #techrights [06:57] techrights-bot "Second, we welcome Patola to the team. Hes a seasoned #GNU #Linux user who is also very experienced in everything VR-related" https://boilingsteam.com/exciting-stuff-going-on-at-boiling-steam/ [06:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Exciting Stuff Going on at Boiling Steam - Boiling Steam ● Jan 10 [07:00] techrights-bot "At this moment in time, given my current hardware, I suppose the only way to prepare a Windows 10 ISO correctly is through Windows 10. Maybe I missed some crucial piece along the way." https://hackernoon.com/linux-fanboy-meets-struggles-with-and-wins-against-a-windows-10-iso-6e2434xh [07:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackernoon.com | Linux Fanboy Meets, Struggles With, and Wins Against a Windows 10 ISO | Hacker Noon [07:05] schestowitz MinceR: next Intel part is funny [07:05] schestowitz working on it [07:06] schestowitz it'll strike a nerve [07:06] schestowitz psydroid: any info on people at Intel passing around MS Word documents [07:06] schestowitz docx or 'old' doc? [07:07] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/intel3.png [07:13] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:33] schestowitz https://truthout.org/articles/new-covid-variant-found-in-south-africa-raises-concerns-over-impacts-on-vaccine/ [07:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | New COVID Variant Found in South Africa Raises Concerns Over Impacts on Vaccine [07:33] schestowitz vZS1: ^ [07:35] schestowitz "Naturally, the coronavirus mutates as it spreads. But scientists are more concerned about some mutations more than others, and theres one in particular thats worrisome because it could throw a wrench in future vaccine efficacy." [07:36] schestowitz "According to a separate report published this week, scientists tested the Pfizer vaccine against N501Y using blood samples from 20 people. Fortunately, the vaccination worked on them, but the sample size was far too small to say definitively that it would be true for the general population. " [07:36] schestowitz 20 people wtf? [07:36] schestowitz what people? [07:36] schestowitz what age? [07:36] schestowitz pfizer employees? [07:42] Ariadne >>> from jejune import app [07:42] Ariadne >>> app.rdf_store.path_for_uri('https://pleroma.site/users/kaniini') [07:42] Ariadne 'store/rdf/fb/7e/fb7eb9b61a1723f56c0011fcd987ae25338088a08836cc3ceafa72541ef267d5' [07:42] Ariadne weeeeeeee [07:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Encountered end of file ( status 0 @ https://pleroma.site/users/kaniini ) [07:43] Ariadne who needs a database lol [07:44] schestowitz " [07:44] schestowitz However, I once had a newly hired Sr. software engineer request confirmation - to use nano to extract files from a tar.gz... I responded with... tar ... and dropped the call. [07:44] schestowitz Clearly he had been a "different kind" of dev. :) [07:44] schestowitz " [07:44] schestowitz LOL [07:44] schestowitz nano for tar [07:45] Ariadne wtf [07:45] schestowitz Ariadne: can you access that DB? [07:45] Ariadne access what DB? [07:45] schestowitz Ariadne: Intel. [07:45] schestowitz pleroma's [07:45] schestowitz I mean the URL [07:45] Ariadne no [07:45] Ariadne i was just using it as a test URL for the hashing [07:46] schestowitz Over the past month I must have attempted to open https://pleroma.site/ like... hmm... maybe 300 times [07:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Encountered end of file ( status 0 @ https://pleroma.site/ ) [07:46] schestowitz maybe there can be a DB-free pleroma alternative based on code from pleroma [07:46] Ariadne there's two "DBs" (i use this term loosely) in jejune [07:46] schestowitz the BSD people would love it [07:46] schestowitz some complained about mastodon bloat [07:46] Ariadne the RDF store, and the userdb [07:47] Ariadne userdb maps foo@bar.com to URIs [07:47] schestowitz irc bridge is good also [07:47] schestowitz they use irc, not matric [07:47] schestowitz and mailing lists [07:47] Ariadne URIs are cached (or authoritatively stored) in RDFStore [07:47] schestowitz I think twitter and fb don't know what to do with their devs to keep them occupied, so they add proprietary fonts and bloat [07:47] Ariadne also, i can add transparent gzip of these objects [07:47] Ariadne which a DB cannot [07:48] Ariadne :D [07:48] schestowitz and then their "platform" needs 1gb of ram before you even start scrolling [07:48] schestowitz some DBs are pseudo DBs [07:48] schestowitz they just have an interaction layer [07:48] schestowitz or abstraction [07:48] schestowitz but can be read directly from disk [07:52] Ariadne yeah that is the goal here [07:54] Ariadne the uri is hashed so that people cannot do directory traversal attacks [07:54] Ariadne e.g. [07:54] Ariadne Create { id: "https://lol.com/../../../../../etc/shadow"; } [07:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://lol.com/../../../../../etc/shadow ) [07:57] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [07:57] *tdemin (~tdemin@lan.tdem.in) has joined #techrights [07:58] schestowitz https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/2020-12-31-happier-gnu-year.en.html [07:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsfla.org | ::[FSFLA]:: Happier GNU Year! [07:58] schestowitz "2021-01-09 update: pretty much everyone in the FSF board has convinced me that publishing this was a big mistake. I don't unpublish stuff, but, before it does further damage, I take it back." ● Jan 10 [08:02] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [08:05] psydroid schestowitz, not on Intel's use of proprietary MS formats, but it's standard practice at companies that are partnered with MS and have the company's technologies deeply embedded in their desktop infrastructure [08:07] psydroid which again hints at the fact that Intel doesn't really support free software but rather tolerates it to prevent other semiconductor companies from taking up a prominent role in the free software world [08:08] schestowitz yes, exactly [08:08] schestowitz Our BT connection is so awful that my 12-minute video about inteLeaks will take 6 more hours to upload. On BT issues: 1) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/01/06/coronavirus-bt/ 2) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/01/09/bt-is-down/ [08:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Coronavirus May Have Caused a Nationwide or Regional Congestion Crisis for BT [08:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive British Telecom Cannot Blame Coronavirus For Its Awful Customer Care and Various Face-Saving Lies Disguised as Support [08:09] schestowitz "file still 22mb after compression." [08:09] schestowitz people trucking info to us [08:09] schestowitz and it takes ages to handle files [08:09] schestowitz esp. video files [08:14] techrights-bot Are these people aware of the low quality of #EPO #patents ? https://medicaldialogues.in/news/industry/pharma/moberg-pharma-subsidiary-announces-issue-of-european-patent-related-to-bupizenge-73319 [08:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medicaldialogues.in | Moberg Pharma subsidiary announces issue of European Patent related to BupiZenge [08:14] psydroid as for vapourware we only have to look at Itanium and Larrabee derived architectures such as the Knights Landing/Mill add-in cards, which were total failures in the marketplace, but because it's Intel people pay attention to them and worse waste precious time developing for/with them when they really shouldn't [08:15] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [08:16] techrights-bot "given that the European Patent Office (EPO) is an institution that is not related to the European Union" <-- this is NOT entirely true anymore https://inventa.com/en/news/article/582/brexit-what-happens-with-your-ip-assets-in-2021 http://techrights.org/2020/12/01/the-breton-coverup/ [08:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Brexit: What happens with your IP assets in 2021? - Inventa International [08:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Commissions Thierry Breton Covers Up EPO Corruption For His Friend Benot Battistelli | Techrights [08:16] schestowitz psydroid: aa [08:16] schestowitz aha [08:21] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [08:22] *notanamber has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [08:24] techrights-bot "The #EPO is like any other forum; if it hears a compelling story ending with a good invention" https://www.iam-media.com/justin-hill nope, see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO [08:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Justin Hill | IAM [08:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights [08:38] schestowitz will program my raspi to use the 8 LEDs to reflect on ipfs traffic in real time [08:42] techrights-bot #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, January 09, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/01/10/irc-log-090121/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [08:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, January 09, 2021 | Techrights [08:43] techrights-bot #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, January 09, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/01/10/irc-log-090121/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [08:50] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [08:50] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [08:51] *rianne (~rianne@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:51] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:54] techrights-bot So-called 'webinar' #lobbying for or promoting illegal #patents on life/nature in #Europe vhttps://www.patentdocs.org/2021/01/webinar-on-priority-entitlement-in-europe.html #epo [08:56] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146320 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/10/#latest [08:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [08:56] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [08:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts ● Jan 10 [09:00] *BifrostBot[m] has quit (Quit: Idle for 30+ days) [09:03] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [09:04] Ariadne RDF store is done (and that is the hardest part really) [09:04] Ariadne :P [09:05] *schestowitz programs the pi to highlight traffic spikes with LEDs [09:09] *techrights-ipfs has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [09:19] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [09:34] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:41] techrights-bot Latest in #PCLOS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141761#comment-27738 #pclinuxos #gnu #linux [09:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PCLinuxOS Review: This Classic Independent Linux Distribution is Definitely Worth a Look | Tux Machines [09:53] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [09:53] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [09:56] techrights-bot #LinuxMint 20.1 Ulyssa Review and Upgrade Guide http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146321 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.1 Ulyssa Review and Upgrade Guide | Tux Machines ● Jan 10 [10:04] schestowitz Doing this in python, have to revise some of the basics [10:06] Techrights-sec https://tutorials-raspberrypi.com/connect-control-raspberry-pi-ws2812-rgb-led-strips/ [10:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tutorials-raspberrypi.com | Connect and Control WS2812 RGB LED Strips via Raspberry Pi [10:06] schestowitz maybe I can use the four LEDs to do a sort of timed graph of bandwidth for IPFS, I've already got all the inputs in place, updated in-file using a cron job [10:13] Techrights-sec There are several outputs: LED #, color, intensity [10:13] Techrights-sec And they can be varied. Some combinations will make more sense than others. 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[10:52] schestowitz 4 lights pulsate in shades of green, 4 in red and intensity varies based on upward and downward ipfs traffic, respectively ● Jan 10 [11:03] *Blukunfando has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [11:08] *Blukunfando (~bkf@62.57.153.77.dyn.user.ono.com) has joined #techrights [11:22] techrights-bot #Intel Vision Processing Unit Patches Updated For The #Linux #Kernel https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Keem-Bay-VPU-V2 #techrights #InteLeaks show a lot of what's really going on in this department [11:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Vision Processing Unit Patches Updated For The Linux Kernel - Phoronix [11:24] techrights-bot #PHP 8.0 Is Too Fresh For #Fedora 34 That It Will Be Punted To F35 In The Autumn - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=PHP-8.0-For-Fedora-35 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [11:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PHP 8.0 Is Too Fresh For Fedora 34 That It Will Be Punted To F35 In The Autumn - Phoronix [11:27] techrights-bot #RustLang 1.49 Released with Tier-1 Support of 64-Bit ARM Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146012#comment-27739 [11:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rust 1.49.0 Released and Related News | Tux Machines [11:29] *Blukunfando has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [11:38] techrights-bot Debian: Reports From Louis-Philippe Vronneau, Thorsten Alteholz and Jonathan McDowell http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146322 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Debian [11:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian: Reports From Louis-Philippe Vronneau, Thorsten Alteholz and Jonathan McDowell | Tux Machines [11:42] techrights-bot SOGo calendar synchronization breaks due to #emoji in the event title https://sysadmin-journal.com/sogo-calendar-sync-breaks-due-to-emoji-in-the-event-title/ #emojis break TONS of things. PLEASE STOP USING THEM. [11:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sysadmin-journal.com | SOGo calendar synchronization breaks due to emoji in the event title [11:48] techrights-bot First bootup #EasyOS #aarch64 on Pi 4 https://bkhome.org/news/202101/first-bootup-easyos-aarch64-on-pi-4.html Mr. #puppyinux (Barry) has been doing lots of #raspi hacking lately. Today I programmed mine to highlight #ipfs traffic in real time. [11:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | First bootup EasyOS aarch64 on Pi 4 [11:51] techrights-bot #Rtlduino https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/01/10/rtlduino-rtl8720dn-dual-band-wifi-iot-board-features-2-4-5ghz-wireless-mcu/ #arduino [11:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | $6 Rtlduino RTL8720DN dual-band WiFi IoT board features 2.4/5GHz Wireless MCU ● Jan 10 [12:04] techrights-bot What is new in #LinuxMint 20.1 Ulyssa http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146269#comment-27741 #gnu #linux [12:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.1 Ulyssa Cinnamon released! | Tux Machines [12:05] techrights-bot "if youre a devotee of Richard Stallman, then I understand, yet I simply disagree with such extremism. [... reply] Its perfectly simple and your confusing philosophy with dogma. Read up on it." https://www.ghacks.net/2020/12/31/humble-software-bundle-organize-your-pc-with-lots-of-stardock-apps/ [12:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | Humble Software Bundle: Organize Your PC with lots of Stardock apps - gHacks Tech News [12:07] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146323 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [12:13] techrights-bot GNU/Linux on #RaspberryPi 4/400 and Rtlduino http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146324 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #raspi [12:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux on Raspberry Pi 4/400 and Rtlduino | Tux Machines [12:15] *rianne (~rianne@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:15] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:16] techrights-bot Games: VR, #Chromebooks , and #PublicDomain Game Jam http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146325 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: VR, Chromebooks, and Public Domain Game Jam | Tux Machines [12:18] techrights-bot "With this week's R460 driver release also comes a number of #security updates. Several security issues have been patched in both the #NVIDIA Windows and #Linux #graphics driver components." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mesa-21.0-With-Haiku-OS [12:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mesa 21.0 Is Now Working With Haiku OS For Software OpenGL Rendering - Phoronix [12:25] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [12:33] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [12:34] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [12:36] *tdemin has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:36] techrights-bot Linux Fanboy Meets, Struggles With, and Wins Against a #vista10 ISO http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146326 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Fanboy Meets, Struggles With, and Wins Against a Windows 10 ISO | Tux Machines [12:42] *rianne (~rianne@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:43] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:46] schestowitz rianne: ./run-blinkt-ipfs.py ipfs 50 50 50 1 [12:53] *Blukunfando (~bkf@62.57.153.77.dyn.user.ono.com) has joined #techrights [12:58] schestowitz the manual report backup of tuxmachines on the 5th worked OK, but when run from cron job since then they have all been empty files, unlike the local DB dump [12:59] Techrights-sec Ok. I will look some more. ● Jan 10 [13:07] techrights-bot #Bootlin , Linux #Kernel , and #LinuxFoundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146327 #Linux [13:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bootlin, Linux Kernel, and Linux Foundation | Tux Machines [13:09] techrights-bot "Generics in #Java and especially such with upper and lower bounds can be confusing even though they are otherwise very useful." http://knowledgebasement.com/java-generics-upper-and-lower-bounds-simply-explained/ [13:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-knowledgebasement.com | Java Generics With Upper and Lower Bounds Simply Explained | [13:12] Techrights-sec It is the host key. I have to /manually/ add it to known_hosts [13:12] Techrights-sec What I did before works on most (all other) systems but not TR as it [13:12] Techrights-sec currently stands. [13:15] schestowitz nothing has been changed AFAIK in that file or its permissions. I know very little about it as the remote backup wasn't set up by myself :-) [13:15] Ariadne i'm almost to a minimum viable product for this AP server [13:15] schestowitz :-) [13:16] schestowitz I think keeping it light is worthwhile, even statusnet got bloated after a while [13:16] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [13:17] Techrights-sec It's not about the remote backup but about connecting /from/ tr to other [13:17] Techrights-sec hosts via ssh [13:17] Techrights-sec The problem wasn't caught because the warnings from the SSH client [13:17] Techrights-sec don't go to stderr or stdout if I understand correctly. [13:17] schestowitz :-) [13:17] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [13:18] Techrights-sec So cron works again. [13:18] Techrights-sec Anyway, known_hosts has the correct key now [13:18] Techrights-sec I just tested cron at 13:17 and it is compressing now. [13:19] schestowitz It's a slow news day today, gives lots of time for maintenance [13:19] Techrights-sec It has finished compressing. So that is confirmed to work again. :) [13:20] Techrights-sec It is funny that the client does not complain if it cannot write to known_hosts [13:20] Techrights-sec But then again that is a downright ancient versionstill on the machine. [13:20] Techrights-sec ~/.ssh/known_hosts was owned by root. that's not normal but works, [13:20] Techrights-sec if one is aware of it. [13:22] *vZS1_2 (~vZS1_2@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [13:35] techrights-bot Imagine that national goalie of the US is only second goalie for Manchester City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zack_Steffen https://www.mancity.com/news/mens/pep-guardiola-zack-steffen-pre-birmingham-city-fa-cup-63745720 [13:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Zack Steffen - Wikipedia [13:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mancity.com | Pep Guardiola: Zack Steffen can fight for No.1 spot [13:38] psydroid how not to ever be able to compete with Ederson, maybe when he retires [13:39] schestowitz Ederson is good with legs/feet [13:39] schestowitz not sure if steffen is [13:39] schestowitz I know Bravo was [13:39] schestowitz where's Bravo? Did he retire/leave/injured? [13:40] schestowitz They're playing across the road now https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55575515 [13:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Manchester City v Birmingham City - BBC Sport [13:40] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [13:41] psydroid I'm watching it on tv while being here on the laptop [13:42] schestowitz you're more of a fan than we are then... we're "plastic fans" [13:46] psydroid I used to play football for a long time, although I haven't been playing recently (for obvious and less obvious reasons) [13:53] *Narrator has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [13:57] schestowitz sometimes I see dude practising a bit [13:57] schestowitz but dribbling and kicking a ball [13:57] schestowitz on empty pitch [13:57] schestowitz must be boring and demotivational [13:58] schestowitz Bernardo with 2 goals now [13:58] schestowitz that's rare [13:59] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146328 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines ● Jan 10 [14:06] techrights-bot Links 10/1/2021: GNU #findutils 4.8.0 and #AntiX Bullseye Alpha 1 http://techrights.org/2021/01/10/antix-bullseye-alpha-1/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux [14:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 10/1/2021: GNU findutils 4.8.0 and AntiX Bullseye Alpha 1 | Techrights [14:07] schestowitz psydroid: 3 ^_^ [14:08] schestowitz we used to hear the chants when there were goals [14:12] techrights-bot Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146330 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/10/#latest [14:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [14:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [14:12] vZS1_2 The IPFS daemon crashed silently on me again. I'm implementing some a rudimentary daemon manager script to deal with the issue. [14:13] vZS1_2 s/some// [14:13] schestowitz it has not crashed on me yet [14:13] schestowitz afaik [14:13] schestowitz the ipfs status lights will help detect issues [14:13] schestowitz as the daemon now broadcasts in LEDs and to IRC [14:14] vZS1_2 Might just be because I've done a lot of tinkering with the config file. [14:15] vZS1_2 I'll run a fresh repo later to see if that fixes things. Otherwise, it might be the new bot code I've been working on. [14:16] techrights-bot Top 5 Linux Laptop You Can Buy in 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146329 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/10/#latest [14:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 5 Linux Laptop You Can Buy in 2021 | Tux Machines [14:22] vZS1_2 I think the first crash happened on Jan 8, upon browsing my cron mail logs [14:23] vZS1_2 So it's probably not the new code [14:24] vZS1_2 Because I edited code on Jan 1 [14:24] schestowitz what does the coredump or strace say? [14:25] vZS1_2 Haven't dug that deep into it yet. Only doing rudimentary logging from the error messages of go-ipfs itself. [14:26] vZS1_2 I suspect it's just my ipfs repo that's somehow messed up. [14:26] vZS1_2 I did a lot of experimentation with keys and config files. A subtle bug in there might have corrupted the repo. [14:27] vZS1_2 I'm just going to wipe the repo and start afresh [14:27] vZS1_2 But that's after I try to figure out what the issue is [14:29] vZS1_2 Let me see if some sort of fsck will help shine a light on the matter [14:31] vZS1_2 `$ ipfs repo verify` [14:31] vZS1_2 "verify complete, all blocks validated." [14:31] vZS1_2 Welp. That's not it [14:31] vZS1_2 Ah. I see an error in my cron mail logs [14:32] vZS1_2 "2021-01-08T04:08:27.126Z ERROR core failure on stop: closing datastore at /: open /home/ipfs/ [14:32] vZS1_2 .ipfs/datastore/000286.ldb: too many open files [14:32] vZS1_2 " [14:36] Ariadne probably need to increase ulimit [14:37] *Blukunfando has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [14:39] vZS1_2 That's what I'm gonna do [14:44] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [14:44] *rianne (~rianne@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [14:52] vZS1_2 I'm surprised go-ipfs doesn't use some sort of structured logging. Most Go programs these days tend to output JSON logs. [14:53] vZS1_2 Might be a 'switch' somewhere for it. Haven't bothered to look yet. ● Jan 10 [15:00] *Blukunfando (~bkf@62.57.153.77.dyn.user.ono.com) has joined #techrights [15:03] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [15:03] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [15:11] *Blukunfando has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [15:44] vZS1_2 schestowitz: did you work through the IPNS how-to yet? [15:45] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/surprise-2 [15:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Surprise [15:49] vZS1_2 I've logged into the TR IPFS node and it has the same ulimit for nofiles (1024) as my node. So it's a bit peculiar that mine is crashing and the TR node isn't. [15:50] vZS1_2 Probably happening because I have a lot more IPFS automation going on. [15:50] vZS1_2 Will find out tomorrow if this ulimit edit fixes the issue. [15:53] vZS1_2 If ulimit is the culprit, we'll need to adjust the TR node to stop the same issue from happening there. ● Jan 10 [16:01] *vZS1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:03] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:04] *rianne (~rianne@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:04] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:06] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [16:32] MinceR (cat) (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/17/07eaf66206155e11.mp4 [16:37] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [16:39] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [16:43] *rianne (~rianne@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:45] vZS1_2 Might have to bust out gdb if this process is misbehaving too much. [16:45] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:47] *vZS1_2 has quit (Quit: vZS1_2) [16:53] *abarr has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:56] XRevan86 https://youtu.be/mjArO09tGaI?t=96 so this is how to lock pick [16:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-[1093] Lobster Lock Opened With Red Bull Can - YouTube ● Jan 10 [17:00] schestowitz vZS1: I read through it again and ran some commands [17:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [17:00] techrights-bot Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Surprise https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/surprise-2 [17:00] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [17:06] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/nature-2 [17:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Nature [17:06] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [17:07] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dnfwwxqcgyemldny) has joined #techrights [17:07] *vZS1 (~vZS1@92.40.169.221.threembb.co.uk) has joined #techrights [17:11] schestowitz anyone wanna read part 10 of the intel series? while catching typos? [17:18] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [17:18] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:18] *rianne (~rianne@host81-152-238-156.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:19] *tdemin (~tdemin@lan.tdem.in) has joined #techrights [17:19] *vZS1 (~vZS1@88-109-14-169.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) has joined #techrights [17:20] techrights-bot Alex Olivas Resignation From the #FSF Board http://techrights.org/2021/01/10/alex-oliva-fsf-board/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [17:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Alex Olivas Resignation From the FSF Board | Techrights [17:27] techrights-bot 9 Decentralized, #P2P and Open Source Alternatives to Mainstream Social Media Platforms Like Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Reddit http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146331 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9 Decentralized, P2P and Open Source Alternatives to Mainstream Social Media Platforms Like Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Reddit | Tux Machines [17:39] techrights-bot Upcoming #scotus case regarding #patents will have no effect on the ongoing death of #swpats in the US https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/01/supreme-assignor-estoppel.html [17:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Supreme Court will hear Assignor Estoppel Case | Patently-O [17:41] techrights-bot According to #watchtroll #CAFC "dismissed ABS Global's appeal from the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) Patent Trial and Appeal Board (PTAB) as moot." #patents #patent #usptp #ptab [17:49] techrights-bot #InteLeaks Part X: Replacing #FreeSoftware With #Microsoft , Turning One-Minute Processes Into Days Long http://techrights.org/2021/01/10/intel-free-software-and-microsoft/ #Techrights #GNU [17:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks Part X: Replacing Free Software With Microsoft, Turning One-Minute Processes Into Days Long | Techrights [17:55] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/flood [17:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Flood [17:55] techrights-bot Intellectual property" -- basically a highly misleading propaganda term which does not mean anything and instead misinforms people -- is promoted by #UCL http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/01/sunday-surprises.html #UCLForOligarchy [17:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Sunday Surprises - The IPKat ● Jan 10 [18:12] techrights-bot #KeePass 2.47 Released! #HowTo Install in Ubuntu 20.04, 20.10 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146332 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KeePass 2.47 Released! How to Install in Ubuntu 20.04, 20.10 | Tux Machines [18:14] techrights-bot Can a Linux phone replace my iPhone or Android device? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146333 #GNU #Linux [18:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Can a Linux phone replace my iPhone or Android device? | Tux Machines [18:16] MinceR Android phones are already Linux phones :> [18:17] schestowitz Yup [18:17] vZS1 Isn't iOS just BSD as well? [18:17] schestowitz No [18:17] MinceR iOS is an abomination built on top of the broken corpse of a BSD [18:17] schestowitz Android used to have its oddball offshoot of Linux [18:18] schestowitz then they went mainline [18:18] schestowitz MinceR: yes [18:18] schestowitz it's just "Free code" to them [18:18] schestowitz free [18:18] schestowitz lowercase [18:18] MinceR and the freebsd community seems to love that [18:18] schestowitz they love shithub too [18:18] schestowitz which loves 'free code' git [18:18] schestowitz but adds nothing free to that [18:19] schestowitz 'free' hosting [18:19] schestowitz 'free' samples [18:19] vZS1 I looked it up. iOS is built on top of BSD. [18:21] vZS1 XNU kernel is Darwin (BSD) [18:21] techrights-bot Glad to see #watchtroll really hates #scotus for smashing #swpats ... They even admit this, 50 minutes ago: "Alice in 2020: Slashing #SoftwarePatents and Searching for Functional Language at the Federal Circuit" [18:21] psydroid but the kernel is a bastard stepchild of Mach and secret Apple sauce called XNU [18:21] techrights-bot Alexandre Oliva leaves #FSF board http://techrights.org/2021/01/10/alex-oliva-fsf-board/ #gnu #freesw #coup #rms [18:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Alex Olivas Resignation From the FSF Board | Techrights [18:22] MinceR the kernel is an abomination glued together from the remains of the FreeBSD kernel and Mach [18:22] techrights-bot Processes that were entirely #Freesoftware -centric were rejected and replaced by truly antithetical spyware of companies that arent #Intel and give Intel no autonomy or self-determination http://techrights.org/2021/01/10/intel-free-software-and-microsoft/ #microsoft #leaks #inteleaks [18:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks Part X: Replacing Free Software With Microsoft, Turning One-Minute Processes Into Days Long | Techrights [18:22] MinceR Mach is there because the marketroids believed that made it a microkernel [18:23] MinceR (crApple has about as much understanding of OS design as microshit does) [18:23] schestowitz iOS is not BSD [18:23] schestowitz like macOS is not UNIX [18:23] schestowitz they play with words [18:23] schestowitz they actually hijack brands [18:23] schestowitz to deplete those of any value [18:24] schestowitz and Android has "Linux" in it [18:24] schestowitz but AOSP is not linux [18:24] schestowitz unless you start to define linux as funnily as LF does [18:24] schestowitz Zemlin says he stands for "Linux" [18:24] schestowitz He never even uses it [18:24] schestowitz Biden says he's left [18:25] schestowitz Trump says he's "MAGA" [18:25] schestowitz But some rather outlandish definition of Murica [18:25] schestowitz people do not always represent what they claim to be [18:25] schestowitz and i generally reject or approach sceptically what people generally claim or put on a label [18:25] schestowitz "FOSS Force" [18:25] schestowitz "Linux Insider" [18:25] schestowitz (they don't even use Linux" [18:25] schestowitz let alone "insiders" [18:26] schestowitz many sites call themselves "something news" [18:26] schestowitz but when you look deeper they're just marketing firms [18:26] schestowitz the veneer of "news" helps them make sales [18:26] schestowitz Department of Defense is a rebrand [18:27] schestowitz iirc, it was rebranded from Department of War in the 1940s [18:27] schestowitz Like IDF [18:27] schestowitz which has "D" in it [18:27] schestowitz prior to that a bunch of guerilla forces conjoined [18:27] MinceR Ministry of Love [18:27] schestowitz And we too have Minister of Defence [18:27] schestowitz of... the British EMPIRE [18:27] schestowitz because Empires are all about defending themselves... from those whom they COLONISE [18:28] schestowitz Hitler needed to defend himself from France [18:28] schestowitz apparently [18:28] schestowitz and from tiny Czechoslovakia before that [18:28] schestowitz Microsoft loves Linux -> [18:28] schestowitz Microsoft supports Linux -> [18:29] schestowitz Microsoft controls Linux -> [18:29] schestowitz Microsoft DEFENDS Linux [18:29] schestowitz OffGaurdian, neckbeards! [18:29] schestowitz Leave that f'ing job to MICROSOFT [18:29] schestowitz They will defend Linux... from themselves [18:32] techrights-bot Linux Kernel Developers Discuss Dropping A Bunch Of Old CPUs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146334 #linux doing a #mozilla and basing development on "market share" obsession instead of principles and preservation [18:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel Developers Discuss Dropping A Bunch Of Old CPUs | Tux Machines [18:36] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/TJlDlyK.png [18:37] techrights-bot LG Introduces LG8111 AI SoC with Eris Reference Board http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146335 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LG Introduces LG8111 AI SoC with Eris Reference Board | Tux Machines [18:42] techrights-bot #EasyOS 64-bit running faster in #RasPi4 https://bkhome.org/news/202101/easyos-64-bit-running-faster-in-pi4.html #gnu #linux [18:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | EasyOS 64-bit running faster in Pi4 [18:44] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146337 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [18:48] techrights-bot #CJEU on #EU #trademark appeals in 2020 year in review http://trademarkblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/12/30/cjeu-on-eu-trademark-appeals-in-2020-year-in-review/ #euipo needs to be investigated http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO [18:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trademarkblog.kluweriplaw.com | CJEU on EU trademark appeals in 2020 year in review - Kluwer Trademark Blog [18:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights [18:49] techrights-bot When you buy Herms you pay oligarchs and their aggressive lawyers, not fashion https://www.thefashionlaw.com/hermes-prevails-in-japanese-case-over-birkin-lookalikes-with-courting-pointing-to-resale-market-as-key-factor/ [18:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thefashionlaw.com | Herms Prevails in Japanese Case Over Birkin Lookalikes, as Court Points to Resale Market as Key Factor | The Fashion Law [18:50] vZS1 FSF dismantling itself [18:50] techrights-bot #Copyright and the #SciHub / #Libgen Case: A Constitutional Query https://spicyip.com/2020/12/copyright-and-the-scihub-libgen-case-a-constitutional-query.html [18:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Copyright and the Sci-Hub/Libgen Case: A Constitutional Query | SpicyIP [18:51] schestowitz vZS1: yes, [18:51] schestowitz I have sent a query to Alex [18:51] schestowitz I need to understand wtf is going on [18:52] techrights-bot #SciHub and #Libgen Up against Academic [sic] Publishers [sic] (EXPLOITERS, a #CARTEL ] https://spicyip.com/2020/12/sci-hub-and-libgen-up-against-academic-publishers-a-death-knell-for-access-to-research-part-iii.html [18:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sci-Hub and Libgen Up against Academic Publishers: A Death Knell for Access to Research? Part III | SpicyIP [18:53] techrights-bot #SciHub and #Libgen Up against Academic [sic] Publishers [sic] (CARTEL): A Death Knell for Access to Research? https://spicyip.com/2020/12/sci-hub-and-libgen-up-against-academic-publishers-a-death-knell-for-access-to-research-part-ii.html [18:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sci-Hub and Libgen Up against Academic Publishers: A Death Knell for Access to Research? Part II | SpicyIP [18:55] techrights-bot "The court listed out nine suggestive, non-exhaustive factors to categorise a website as rogue in nature." https://spicyip.com/2020/12/sci-hub-and-libgen-up-against-academic-publishers-a-death-knell-for-access-to-research-part-i.html #SciHub #Libgen [18:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sci-Hub and Libgen Up against Academic Publishers: A Death Knell for Access to Research? Part I | SpicyIP [18:57] vZS1 It's a hijacked org is what's going on [18:57] vZS1 I stopped paying attention to FSF after they kicked out RMS [18:58] techrights-bot Thorsten Bausch (Hoffmann Eitle): COVID-19, Digitalisation and the #GPTO Three Worlds Collide http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/01/10/covid-19-digitalisation-and-the-gpto-three-worlds-collide/ #patent #patents @fosspatents #de #germany [18:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | COVID-19, Digitalisation and the GPTO Three Worlds Collide - Kluwer Patent Blog ● Jan 10 [19:00] techrights-bot Linux Weekly Roundup: #LinuxMint 20.1, #KDE Plasma 5.21 Updates and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146336 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Weekly Roundup: Mint 20.1, KDE Plasma 5.21 Updates and More | Tux Machines [19:02] techrights-bot 7 Best Multi-platform Text Editors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146338 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 Best Multi-platform Text Editors | Tux Machines [19:03] vZS1 The GNU PR people still unashamedly advertise FSF speaks volumes [19:03] techrights-bot #Firefox 86 Will Support Next-Gen Image Format by Default http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146339 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox 86 Will Support Next-Gen Image Format by Default | Tux Machines [19:04] schestowitz vZS1: not a pretty situation [19:05] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/04/02/fsf-positive-note/ [19:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Inside the Free Software Foundation (FSF) Part IX: Semi-Happy Ending | Techrights [19:05] schestowitz long series [19:05] schestowitz 9 parts [19:06] techrights-bot Kate Text Editor - Quick Open http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146340 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #KDE #FreeSW [19:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kate Text Editor - Quick Open | Tux Machines [19:07] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:12] *vZS1 (~vZS1@92.40.172.241.threembb.co.uk) has joined #techrights [19:12] techrights-bot Yikes. #systemd + #microsoft + #ProprietarySoftware #github https://michael-jansen.name/blog/20210109-plasma-systemd-applet/ adopt and then #deletegithub ? [19:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-michael-jansen.name | Applet Up For Adoption - Michael Jansen, Drive By Coding [19:15] MinceR (cat) (audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/17/59bca1c2991ed4a8.mp4 [19:15] techrights-bot Mozilla No Longer Supports A Free Internet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMXrfmRSprM greedy and self-serving #mozilla leadership is killing #firefox [19:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla No Longer Supports A Free Internet - YouTube [19:20] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146341 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines [19:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:22] techrights-bot #Q4OS 4.3-testing https://q4os.org/ #gnu #linux [19:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-q4os.org | Q4OS - desktop operating system [19:24] *vZS1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:24] techrights-bot Changing One "If" To "While" Caused An Unexpected Shift In A Kernel Benchmark This Week https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-If-While-PL-Fairness-5.11 #linux #kernel [19:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Changing One "If" To "While" Caused An Unexpected Shift In A Kernel Benchmark This Week - Phoronix [19:26] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [19:49] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20071645 [19:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4758923) [19:50] *tr_guest|6024 (6db2a372@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.178.163.114) has joined #techrights [19:50] CrystalMath schestowitz: FYI, RMS still has ways of controlling the FSF [19:52] schestowitz vZS1: just did a video about Oliva and FSF [19:57] *tr_guest|6024 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) ● Jan 10 [20:00] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [20:13] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [20:36] vZS1 schestowitz: what's the internet connection like now? [20:37] schestowitz It only get a little better at nights [20:38] techrights-bot #RSS Feeds: The Better Way To Consume https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR_69wfUSLc spam (ads), #propaganda and #censorship actors dislike RSS and want it abolished [20:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RSS Feeds: The Better Way To Consume - YouTube [20:47] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20071610 [20:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4757908) [20:48] schestowitz real quote? doubt it... [20:48] MinceR \_()_/ [20:49] schestowitz Brits don't use that word [20:55] *tr_guest|70637 (c33ec942@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.62.201.66) has joined #techrights [20:55] tr_guest|70637 ooooh [20:56] tr_guest|70637 yes I'm only here because it was a single button push on a website I randomly stumbled upon [20:56] tr_guest|70637 i wonder if anyone else is actually alive here [20:57] techrights-bot 1983 http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/July-2013-Artwork-I/stand [20:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | stand [20:57] schestowitz hi, tr_guest|70637 [20:58] schestowitz and yes, it works [20:58] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) ● Jan 10 [21:00] *Lantizia (~Lantizia@functionoffice/staff/Lantizia) has joined #techrights [21:00] Lantizia oh well if it works I'll enter the channel properly then [21:00] Lantizia hi [21:01] *tr_guest|70637 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [21:01] schestowitz hi [21:01] schestowitz makes more sense [21:01] schestowitz what is fuctionffice? [21:03] Lantizia its kind of like a free software advocacy/IT support non-profit [21:04] Lantizia runs a few projects and helps other non-profits/charities... https://functionoffice.org [21:04] schestowitz VERY good [21:04] schestowitz we need that [21:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-functionoffice.org | Function Office [21:04] Lantizia website might be a bit sluggish - re-arranging some hypervisors at the moment :P [21:05] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [21:05] schestowitz we did that ourselves over dec 31st ish [21:07] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITY-fJJnPNQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSvBFm_MuXw [21:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Prevent Bike Theft Using Electronic Warfare Countermeasures - YouTube [21:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Protect Your Computer from Getting Shot by an MBT - YouTube [21:07] Lantizia not the first time I've stumbled upon the techrights.org website I don't think [21:08] schestowitz we've been around almost 15 years [21:08] Lantizia (or a website that looks very similar, are there other names?) [21:08] Lantizia usually when I've googled something particularly anti-MS or anti-Mono :P [21:08] schestowitz in recent years things changed a bit (more leaks published by us, focus shifted too, but focus changes aren't a new thing) [21:08] schestowitz we also have boycottnovell.com [21:08] schestowitz that had a lot to do with software patents [21:08] Lantizia yeah I think it was more that one I kept stumbling on in the past [21:09] schestowitz nice to meet you, good to build federated alliances among similar groups [21:09] schestowitz focus in the community changes over time, people no longer care about Novell and it was sold like a decade ago [21:13] Lantizia nice to meet you too :) [21:13] schestowitz we should keep in touch, here if not elsewhere too [21:13] schestowitz my email is on record [21:13] Lantizia what's the demographic mostly like here? [21:13] Lantizia i'm thinking in terms of timezones [21:13] schestowitz we can cross-post things [21:14] schestowitz many north Am and EU [21:14] Lantizia yeah course, well I'm Steven Maddox ... s.maddox@functionoffice.org ... if you never need it [21:15] Lantizia UK here [21:15] Lantizia can't (unfortunately) consider that EU any more [21:16] schestowitz I heard of you before, not sure of the context [21:17] Lantizia me individually? [21:17] schestowitz I heard the name [21:17] schestowitz I'm in Manc [21:17] schestowitz brb, need to record some vid [21:18] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:18] Lantizia 40 miles north of me then [21:19] Lantizia I was reading this btw... http://techrights.org/2020/07/06/canonical-mvp/ [21:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | It Almost Feels Like Microsoft Has Already Bought Canonical | Techrights [21:20] Lantizia every now and then I feel the need to double check that hasn't actually already happened :P [21:20] schestowitz they have been quieter about this for months [21:20] schestowitz during summer it was non-stop Microsoft stuff in their official blog [21:20] Lantizia never knew about this bug #1 thing though - that was odd to read his closing comment [21:20] Lantizia i resisted ubuntu for a long time sticking with debian though [21:24] psydroid I've replaced almost all of my ubuntu installations with debian [21:24] Lantizia i've never used it for servers thank god [21:25] psydroid now that I know that running Debian unstable doesn't run worse than Ubuntu and gives you the latest packages too [21:26] Lantizia I never really considered that as an option... i do remember running sidux for a while though [21:28] psydroid well, on my primary machines I stick to Debian stable, but for testing and seeing where things are going I used to have Ubuntu 6-monthly releases installed [21:28] Lantizia not that adventurous... I only run the LTS's... and even then the MATE version [21:30] Lantizia despite my loathing for ubuntu-specific PPA's and snaps... sometimes if you're after a software authors most official/canonical (pardon the pun) way of installing/using their creation... you're sometimes left with only a snap/ppa to turn to. [21:30] Lantizia arch has always had me tempted though... not sure how well maintained all those community scripts are mind you [21:31] Lantizia i'm wondering how many centos users will flock to debian with the recent-ish news... or if they'll gamble on rocky (like they initially gambled on centos) [21:31] psydroid I get that, which is why I still install (k)ubuntu for others, but I'm wondering if there is a migration path to something else that is easy enough for them to use and maintain without becoming a gnu/Linux expert [21:33] psydroid I have several relatives running ubuntu on their laptops and desktops and especially these days I don't see them very often and can't really help them with problems [21:33] Lantizia yeah it'd be nice... especially since ubuntu isn't particularly any easier/nicer to use than anything else any more... just slightly more tested/developed for... i mean the lure used to be a well crafted 'Software Centre' and good desktop environment... both of which are kind of bust lol [21:33] Lantizia (not a fan of GNOME 3.x :P) [21:36] psydroid neither am I, but I used GNOME 2.x during the period from 2010 till 2012, because KDE 4 was thoroughly broken for the first few point releases [21:37] Lantizia i keep meaning to take another look at KDE (last time was the early 4 releases) or at least one of those lighter Qt based DE's [21:38] *tr_guest|87035 (ab338d71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.171.51.141.113) has joined #techrights [21:38] Lantizia tbh I don't think the MATE guys really care about fixing really fundamental flaws in GNOME 2... the file manager is absolutely riddled with issues for example [21:38] Lantizia it feels like the effort is mostly updating the code to gtk+ 3 and adding a gloss of paint [21:39] *tr_guest|87035 has quit (Client Quit) [21:40] psydroid oh, I don't really follow its development, but I am somewhat familiar with it from OpenBSD and Openindiana [21:41] psydroid I thought the developers were a bit more proactive when it comes to fixing issues, but maybe they don't have the time and the skills needed for that [21:42] DaemonFC[m] All these people my mom knows on Facebook are stunned that Apple is removing Parler from their phones. [21:42] DaemonFC[m] They did not just remove it from the App Store, they are removing previously installed Parler apps from iPhones. [21:43] Lantizia ooooh (after googling it) **that's** why I'd never heard of it [21:43] DaemonFC[m] I used that to comment that Apple has a remote backdoor and total control of the iPhone, and since it is impossible to install apps from anywhere else, Apple has total control. A power that they can only have because iOS is proprietary software. [21:44] DaemonFC[m] That the possibility of doing something like this had been there for years and that people are only now realizing how it can be turned on them. [21:45] psydroid "Stallman was right" for the umpteenth time [21:48] Lantizia similar to amazon removing 1984 from people's kindles [21:49] Lantizia which was a REALLY poor choice to demonstrate a move like that on :P [21:50] kingoffrance mac had trash can IIRC, win recycle bin, early next had a black hole, i guess memory hole is the new icon for deleting stuff :) [21:56] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20071544 [21:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4756249) [21:57] MinceR they even had a TrashCan Pro >> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8248HZtuQS8/maxresdefault.jpg [21:59] Lantizia MinceR, for the joke to work... don't they need the labels switching? [21:59] MinceR \_()_/ [21:59] MinceR i think it's enough for their product to look the way it does and have the quality it has :> ● Jan 10 [22:00] kingoffrance it needs to be a perfect 360 hole and $2000 case for the joke to work [22:05] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [22:08] techrights-bot Alex Olivas Departure is a Massive Loss to the #FreeSoftwareFoundation http://techrights.org/2021/01/10/alex-oliva-fsf-departure/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/10/#latest [22:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Alex Olivas Departure is a Massive Loss to the Free Software Foundation | Techrights [22:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [22:08] *scientes_ (~scientes@2001:bc8:62c:6e::1) has joined #techrights [22:09] *scientes has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:39] Lantizia feel like I'm missing something... fundraiser ? [22:41] DaemonFC[m] Conservatives have finally figured out what Apple's malicious proprietary software can do, but instead of learning a lesson, they're trying to disable software updates on their phone, as if that's a robust solution that will continue to work, if it even does in the first place. [22:41] DaemonFC[m] They should take time to reflect on the poor choice to support Apple with their money and contemplate whether an "easy" computer that gives them no rights at all is their best option. [22:44] DaemonFC[m] Regardless of the side of the political aisle you're on, they've finally shown what they can do with their enormous power and why they could never be trusted to wield such power. Proprietary software must be defeated once and for all. [22:44] Lantizia oooh https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/2020-12-31-happier-gnu-year.en.html [22:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsfla.org | ::[FSFLA]:: Happier GNU Year! [22:45] Lantizia so what - he resigned because he thought he was wrong to convince people to rejoin FSF with a message of wanting RMS back? [22:45] DaemonFC[m] Horrifically, while Windows 10 market share has gone down, many of the people who have abandoned it have chosen macOS, which recently changed hardware platforms and has clamped down even harder on desktop computer users, to make it more like the iPhone trash and their App Store monopoly. Even if it is possible to crack the Mac OS now, Apple can simply make it impossible to compile software that works on it that is no [22:45] DaemonFC[m] hosted in their App Store. A power that not even Microsoft currently deploys on Windows 10 (but could in a future update). [22:47] DaemonFC[m] The power of the remote backdoor that Richard Stallman warned of many years ago is now on display in full force, and it will not end with conservatives or the national emergency that a splinter group caused, creating casus belli against users of computing platforms. [22:47] Lantizia DaemonFC[m], a better question is... if (hypothetically) this 'Parler' was a progressive webapp... and essentially the icon was just a shortcut to open a safari bookmark... do you think Apple would have deleted that "bookmark" ? :D [22:49] DaemonFC[m] The fact is, that they can stop you from loading a website in Safari by blocking it at the platform level, and since they do not allow other browsers to use their own rendering engines, they only have to implement the blockade in the firmware and it would destroy Parler in other iPhone browsers (which are really skins more than programs). [22:49] DaemonFC[m] So, no, being a "Progressive Web App" would not help Parler. [22:50] Lantizia right but if apple is (I'm guessing here) claiming some nonsense like, oh... apps on a phone with updates enabled... sync with the app store... and if it's not on the app store - that sync removes the app... or whatever nonsense they make up to explain it [22:51] Lantizia with a bookmark... that's a URL of the users own choice - not from any app store [22:51] DaemonFC[m] The problem is that the iOS is a malicious program that is not under the direct control of the user. The user can do what they are permitted to do by Apple. [22:51] Lantizia so if the WebKit engine blocks rendering that URL [22:51] Lantizia that's a comment on taste lol [22:51] DaemonFC[m] This isn't the first time they've bullied a website by threatening to throw it out of their App Store. They got Tumblr to ruin itself and make it unusable even for people without iPhones. [22:52] DaemonFC[m] Apple's damage to general purpose computing is a dirty bomb that even affects people who are not jailed by Apple devices. [22:53] DaemonFC[m] They call modifying the iOS so that it runs other apps "jailbreaking" and that's because the user is in a jail by default. It's not me making up terms here. That's the accepted language. People admit that Apple is a jail. [22:53] Lantizia i'm just saying people were under no illusion who runs the app store and how it has apple policies governing it (and they write those policies however they like)... and if apple wants to claim they extend to "syncing" with installed apps... people might buy into that. [22:54] DaemonFC[m] And Apple delights in sabotaging and ruining devices where people have done this. So that's not a solution either. [22:54] Lantizia But loading up your favourite website (on any browser, OS or device) and the BROWSER telling you... "You know this is some far-right shit, yes?... do you want to continue?" [22:54] Lantizia well that'd be another level :P [22:55] DaemonFC[m] People should break out of the "crystal prison" of the iPhone and ruin Apple. Vote with your money and with your feet, or it will embolden them to get even worse. [22:55] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: ^ [22:56] DaemonFC[m] Apple has instituted policies that amount to "polite fascism" for years, by restraining themselves to "nudging" people and poisoning apps and websites behind the scenes. The only thing that's changed is that they've openly destroyed someone's business just as it was gaining more attention. [22:56] kingoffrance isnt that already the case? browser warns site xyz has been used for phishing attempts/whatever ? [22:57] Lantizia well that's more under the pretence of the technical security of the computer... not the sanity of the user :P [22:58] DaemonFC[m] I would say "Create a forum that doesn't even need Javascript, and host it as a Tor Service, and flip Apple and the government the middle finger." except the iOS doesn't allow people to use Tor, at all. [22:58] Lantizia it'd be like a spam filter blocking a conservative newsletter you yourself subscribed to... that's be odd... but blocking it for having a virus in it - we're kinda fine with that [22:59] Lantizia *that'd ● Jan 10 [23:00] DaemonFC[m] I'm not a fan of the Republicans/conservative ideology, but the only thing that pisses me off more than them is the government manipulating people like this, and their corporate enablers going along with it in exchange for continued monopoly status and not having to pay taxes. Which is why these companies do these things. [23:01] MinceR (cat) (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/17/34325d63a3578e46.mp4 [23:01] DaemonFC[m] They know which way the wind is blowing. Trump will be gone in 10 days and there will be nobody protecting them if they continue allowing him to backseat president and foment violent uprisings. [23:02] DaemonFC[m] This is the epitome of cowardice. If he had managed to be re-elected, then in the alt-world, these companies would have done absolutely nothing to shut him up. [23:05] Lantizia and? [23:06] DaemonFC[m] The Democrats probably will repeal Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. Trump wanted it, but they weren't going to give it to him while they could do it themselves 21 days later. [23:06] DaemonFC[m] But conservatives should be horrified by that, because if they think de-platforming is bad now, they ought to get a load of what will happen if social networks can be sued for millions of dollars over any post that might have caused someone harm. [23:07] DaemonFC[m] It won't just be impossible to keep them on, it will be impossible to run a company without intense "moderation" of anything. Including automoderation which removes content that it thinks might be sketchy. [23:07] Lantizia if the internet is the equivalent to the planet... then facebook is the equivalent to a not-so-exclusive club... who can come in is up to the bouncer, what can be said is up to the house rules... if you don't like it - go to another club. [23:08] Lantizia what really needs to be taught better is... facebook != everyone, facebook != internet [23:08] Lantizia and swap out other social networks as needed [23:08] Lantizia what you see if a version of what there is [23:08] Lantizia *is a version [23:09] DaemonFC[m] Right, I would not be surprised if what ends up happening is Americans flocking to foreign social networks like VKontakte. [23:09] DaemonFC[m] It's Russian, but there's an English language version and our government has no control over it. [23:11] Lantizia the moment the expectations of something of facebook... to be fair, to aid in social mobility, to judge one bit of free speech over another, to police content, to be completely without opinion or non-partisan, etc... [23:11] Lantizia is the moment people are hoping facebook becomes some kind of micro government [23:11] Lantizia which only legitimises it all [23:13] *aindilis has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [23:21] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20071524 [23:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4755539) [23:22] XRevan86 MinceR: at least not plastic [23:26] *merzbird (~merzbird@c-73-33-233-222.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #techrights [23:44] *aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights