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schestowitz57k more US cases...Jul 10 00:15
schestowitzmaybe a few more thousands by 2amJul 10 00:15
DaemonFC[m]They started doing those Trumpy Bear TV commercials again.Jul 10 00:17
DaemonFC[m]They probably have a warehouse full of them and they need to get rid of them quickly.Jul 10 00:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: This week in GNOME Builder #1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139710 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3dd06f6e-ecd8-4e45-b219-25119de12307]Jul 10 00:20
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/20022417Jul 10 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4381046)Jul 10 00:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Raspberry Pi 4: Could Ubuntu Be On The Way? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139711 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bd53bd94-be0f-4d89-a42b-18f8884b21db]Jul 10 00:45
schestowitzMinceR: master teachers?Jul 10 00:56
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 60k+ againJul 10 00:56
MinceRschestowitz: Assholé Academy!Jul 10 01:00
DaemonFC[m]I'm setting up NoScript.Jul 10 01:03
schestowitzMinceR: ahhJul 10 01:09
schestowitzmasters say take pants downJul 10 01:09
MinceRthe master baitersJul 10 01:10
XRevan86RESTful school academyJul 10 01:10
XRevan86GNU Make is a growing cloud-based Project Management software. GNU Make price: Starting from $49 per monthJul 10 01:16
XRevan86https://www.itqlick.com/compare/gnu-make/adobe-air-adobe-integrated-runtime how did they even make this upJul 10 01:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GNU Make vs Adobe AIR Comparison | ITQlickJul 10 01:16
schestowitzMinceR: wait, now they want to cancel the term "mastur" too?Jul 10 01:19
MinceRlolJul 10 01:19
schestowitzmaster-baiting monkeysJul 10 01:19
MinceRpajeroJul 10 01:19
DaemonFC[m]After I got a whiff of that Reddit fingerprinter, I decided it would be best to just allow scripts that are the bare minimum to make the site I'm on work.Jul 10 01:24
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Mesa 20.1.3 and Collabora Working for Microsoft http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139712 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ba1f818d-84d2-44a0-bb46-b522bfe8dccc]Jul 10 01:24
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: +61,049Jul 10 01:25
schestowitzhalg an hour to goJul 10 01:25
schestowitz*halfJul 10 01:25
MinceRuMatrix might be a better choice, as it keeps per-site (per-domain?) whitelistsJul 10 01:25
schestowitz+11,394 #covid19 cases in Texas todayJul 10 01:25
DaemonFC[m]There's a chance that something nasty gets loaded that way, but it's a far lower one.Jul 10 01:25
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, they didn't "corral" it very well, I guess.Jul 10 01:26
DaemonFC[m]Hey, at least they exempted churches from the masks.Jul 10 01:26
DaemonFC[m]Darwinism in action.Jul 10 01:26
schestowitzI have this thing in my throat right nowJul 10 01:26
schestowitzI was at a Chinese restaurant 8 hours agoJul 10 01:26
schestowitzI think it's way too early to suspect infectionJul 10 01:27
schestowitzso I'd just call it coincidence, it's mostly a phloem thing anywayJul 10 01:27
schestowitzWe paid almost 30% tip (I paid)Jul 10 01:27
DaemonFC[m]Uh, no. You'd need about 7-14 days for any symptoms.Jul 10 01:27
DaemonFC[m]I think you're just being paranoid. :)Jul 10 01:27
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: it's like Luzon... with too many people unemployed, so they just walk around, serving too few clientsJul 10 01:28
schestowitzas otherwise they'd be out of work anywayJul 10 01:28
DaemonFC[m]Yeah. I might go to the Chinese place over by Walmart soon if they're open.Jul 10 01:28
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yes, thanks for the reassuranceJul 10 01:28
schestowitzChinese are more conscious of these thingsJul 10 01:28
DaemonFC[m]It's a big dining area. More than enough for several tables between each guest.Jul 10 01:28
schestowitzmasks and alJul 10 01:28
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schestowitztypical Brits don't wear masks and all that... maybe arrogance or presumption of superior immunityJul 10 01:29
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Someone broke into my Disney account from an IP address belonging to Private Internet Access.Jul 10 01:29
DaemonFC[m]I don't know why. It said they logged into ESPN.Jul 10 01:29
schestowitzthey use paper maps and all, and the dishes are served differently, so it felt like they knew what they were doingJul 10 01:30
DaemonFC[m]I have no payment methods associated and I'm not subscribed to anything.Jul 10 01:30
DaemonFC[m]But I scrambled to change the password and then throw them out and shut down the account. Jul 10 01:30
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: no harm I guessJul 10 01:30
schestowitzunless they binge-buy somethingJul 10 01:30
DaemonFC[m]Then I noticed that some botnet or something is banging on my outlook mail.Jul 10 01:30
schestowitzdisney+ is drmJul 10 01:30
schestowitzno need to use thatJul 10 01:30
schestowitzyou can get loads of stuff streamed for freeJul 10 01:31
schestowitzand legally, tooJul 10 01:31
DaemonFC[m]According to Microsoft, none of it succeeded, but they've been making several attempts per day from IPs all over the world.Jul 10 01:31
DaemonFC[m]Getting the password wrong.Jul 10 01:31
schestowitzwe watch lots of Savannah videosJul 10 01:31
schestowitzyou ought not use Outlook, eitherJul 10 01:31
DaemonFC[m]I have no idea what's going on, but I used a randomly generated Firefox password to replace the one that was on the account. I had 2Fa on.Jul 10 01:31
schestowitzyou seem to be choosing to have troubleJul 10 01:31
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I shut down my Firefox sync account and brought up a new one tied to my GMail.Jul 10 01:31
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: maybe your work on the docs LOL ;-)Jul 10 01:31
schestowitzGMail is bad alsoJul 10 01:32
schestowitzyou really need to just report on those thingsJul 10 01:32
schestowitzand not from accounts that watch you as you go along investigating themJul 10 01:32
DaemonFC[m]Then I kicked all my trusted devices on both emails, reset app passwords and backup codes, and randomly generated a new GMail password.Jul 10 01:32
schestowitzeven public-logged irc is safer than gmail :-)Jul 10 01:33
DaemonFC[m]I also changed all of my banking passwords to new random ones.Jul 10 01:33
DaemonFC[m]I'm trying to make it so that if something got compromised, the damage is walled off from anything important and it only works on what got hit.Jul 10 01:34
DaemonFC[m]The problem with passwords you easily remember is that you'll use them over and over and then someone breaks into Reddit or something and has access to your email accounts and banking.Jul 10 01:35
DaemonFC[m]So, you know, you're trying to make it so much work for so little gain that they give up and go hack some old lady in Scranton.Jul 10 01:36
DaemonFC[m]LOLJul 10 01:37
DaemonFC[m]The Supreme Court gave half of Oklahoma back to native Americans.Jul 10 01:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: SUSE’s CEO on Buying Rancher Labs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139648#comment-25744 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c7d1aab6-c9d6-4004-8e3b-3a600dd6f92d]Jul 10 01:38
DaemonFC[m]Then they handed Trump's taxes to House Democrats and the state of New York!Jul 10 01:38
DaemonFC[m]:DJul 10 01:38
schestowitztax return forms?Jul 10 01:39
DaemonFC[m]They've been on a trolling spree.Jul 10 01:39
DaemonFC[m]Did someone slip Gorsuch some LSD or something?Jul 10 01:39
DaemonFC[m]He hasn't been acting like himself.Jul 10 01:39
DaemonFC[m]Wow.Jul 10 01:40
DaemonFC[m]Like, half a state is not a state anymore.Jul 10 01:40
DaemonFC[m]This is.....I never would have guessed this would happen.Jul 10 01:40
DaemonFC[m]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/us/supreme-court-oklahoma-mcgirt-creek-nation.htmlJul 10 01:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Landmark Supreme Court Ruling Affirms Native American Rights in Oklahoma - The New York TimesJul 10 01:40
*schestowitz adds it to Daily LinksJul 10 01:42
DaemonFC[m]They reinstated a treaty that the US government broke in the 1800s to steal Indian land.Jul 10 01:42
schestowitzNativeJul 10 01:43
schestowitzIndia is far awayJul 10 01:43
MinceRamerindian :>Jul 10 01:43
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Managing tasks with todo.txt and Taskwarrior http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139713 [https://pleroma.site/objects/708bfecf-3b38-4208-ad47-d93fdc43c5b5]Jul 10 01:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: First PHP 8 alpha released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139190#comment-25745 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ae67ee53-cf79-4efd-b3fb-3e531d5768f1]Jul 10 01:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139714 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5e78da12-8d01-4665-aa63-f838bd016434]Jul 10 01:58
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Google and The Linux Foundation want to help open source projects manage their trademarks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139667#comment-25746 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b8040722-75b8-42cd-8e2f-4dd8fed6c1c8]Jul 10 02:03
schestowitz2amJul 10 02:04
schestowitz+61,067 us casesJul 10 02:04
schestowitzslightly higher than last time I checkedJul 10 02:04
schestowitzsecond-highest overallJul 10 02:04
schestowitzMinceR: the amerindian genocideJul 10 02:08
schestowitzsounds like armenianJul 10 02:08
schestowitzand it's also a genocideJul 10 02:08
schestowitz90% death Jul 10 02:08
schestowitzmostly due to health/infection issuesJul 10 02:09
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MinceR:>Jul 10 02:09
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139715 [https://pleroma.site/objects/02ee97db-ecaf-4169-a147-43ee7546b288]Jul 10 02:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Why Windows Power Users Break Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139716 [https://pleroma.site/objects/273bc834-7117-4895-81c6-21339e9ef022]Jul 10 02:17
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Bradley M. Kuhn: Organzational Proliferation Is Not the Problem You Think It Is http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139667#comment-25749 [https://pleroma.site/objects/18463ddc-da53-4285-9473-3a6213cdbd82]Jul 10 02:41
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #LinuxMint 20 upgrade path opens up for existing users http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139702#comment-25750 #gnu #linux [https://pleroma.site/objects/a3b45487-9d2c-4fc2-bfaf-c62cd0a6aed5]Jul 10 02:44
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux and Linux Foundation: Rust, Windows, SystemD and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139718 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0f7f8dd1-2ae3-4eda-9f2e-763437d0d491]Jul 10 02:48
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: GNOME, CI/CD, Go and Qt http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139721 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d0e04d15-cae3-4bc5-b57c-9df4b1f243c1]Jul 10 03:19
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 10/7/2020: Debian 8 Long Term Support EOL, Mobian Project, Mesa 20.1.3 http://techrights.org/2020/07/09/mesa-20-1-3/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/faebdcce-2f7a-4c56-9d04-65b09e6dd55b]Jul 10 03:23
DaemonFC[m]I'm trying to figure out how to revoke a permission to a flatpak app.I don't want VLC to be able to have network access.It already is sandboxed by bubblewrap (nice).Codecs are awful. If there's a way to wall off VLC from the internet and make it so that an attempt to force it to do something bad only results in an application crash, that's just...really cool.Jul 10 03:24
DaemonFC[m]I'm trying to sandbox and harden some of the apps that I have so that they wouldn't be particularly useful to attackers.Jul 10 03:24
DaemonFC[m]In the case of bwrap, it's basically something for nothing. It enforces boundaries on the application without a drag on performance.Jul 10 03:25
schestowitz"Communist parties would start to form in certain countries after 1917."Jul 10 03:27
schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution#Anti-Bolshevik_sentimentJul 10 03:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | October Revolution - WikipediaJul 10 03:27
schestowitznow we have the oppositeJul 10 03:28
schestowitzcorporatist partiesJul 10 03:28
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, those fucking morons that gave us Trump are getting the worst of COVID-19.Jul 10 03:28
DaemonFC[m]If we have to have a million people die of it, I'd rather it be before the election so they can't fuck us with Trump again before they die a few months later.Jul 10 03:28
schestowitz"SAD!"Jul 10 03:30
schestowitzsadistJul 10 03:30
DaemonFC[m]Well, I'm just calling it how I see it.Jul 10 03:30
schestowitzFL +8,935Jul 10 03:30
schestowitzGOP afaikJul 10 03:30
schestowitzscott and successorsJul 10 03:30
schestowitzTexasJul 10 03:30
DaemonFC[m]It's nice to see the shit raining down on the fuckers who did it for a change.Jul 10 03:30
schestowitzCalif.Jul 10 03:30
schestowitzAZ 4000+Jul 10 03:31
schestowitzthe more dem-leaning states and esp. green don't have this issueJul 10 03:31
schestowitzI guess they're more susceptible to - gasp - accepting the scienceJul 10 03:31
schestowitzmaybe build a wall...Jul 10 03:31
schestowitzbetween red and blue statesJul 10 03:32
schestowitzor "bible belt"Jul 10 03:32
schestowitzlet the anti-vaxxers die among themselvesJul 10 03:32
schestowitzwith their guns and stuffJul 10 03:32
schestowitzdeath toll can easily reach 200k if not 250k by election dayJul 10 03:32
schestowitzthen play back videos where the orange man said 60k, 40k and so on... going back in timeJul 10 03:33
schestowitzhe had the "biggest" SAT numbersJul 10 03:33
schestowitzfor which he paid the "biggest" moneyJul 10 03:33
DaemonFC[m]The Buy Bull Belt.Jul 10 03:41
DaemonFC[m]Mom ran for the hills when her church reopened and afaik she's the only one of them that didn't get it.Jul 10 03:42
DaemonFC[m]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OptimizelyJul 10 03:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Optimizely - WikipediaJul 10 03:42
DaemonFC[m]I see this kind of shit on a lot of sites nowJul 10 03:42
DaemonFC[m]Blocking these sorts of things from running at all actually speeds the site up a lot.Jul 10 03:43
DaemonFC[m]Paywalls don't load. Autoplay videos are gone.Jul 10 03:43
kingoffrancethey like the catchy marketing names https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over-the-top_media_service   lolJul 10 03:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Over-the-top media service - WikipediaJul 10 03:57
kingoffrancelinked from that optimizelyJul 10 03:57
kingoffranceppl say coders cant name stuffJul 10 03:57
kingoffrancedo they not know how ridiculous they appear to the rest of the worldJul 10 03:58
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pav5088__schestowitz, sure, there are Trump anti-vaxxers, but apparently the biggest anti-vaxxers and corporate conspiracists belong to the corporate management class themselves.  Jul 10 04:03
pav5088__One wonders why that is.Jul 10 04:04
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The 10 Best #Linux #Network #Monitoring Tools http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139722 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1ddd6fcf-15d2-4275-9e40-f224dfd36b7f]Jul 10 04:05
pav5088__The US electorate has been thrashing between right and left "outsiders"...   Trump sucks, and Joe Biden is largely the same policy-wise ie. law and order, tax cuts, foreign intervention.Jul 10 04:05
pav5088__The left failed under Obama...   so they tried Trump...  also a failure.Jul 10 04:06
pav5088__The US isn't strange though...   eg. Sweden has been on a privatisation drive for over a decade.  Their public health rose in price to be one of the highest in Western Europe, while having the second lowest number of beds per head.Jul 10 04:10
pav5088__Even before Covid they were flying mothers to Finland to give birth because they didn't have enough beds.  One wonders if they tried herd immunity so their voters couldn't compare their healthcare apples-to-apples.Jul 10 04:12
kingoffrance"the left failed under Obama... so they tried Trump..."   <-- thisJul 10 04:12
DaemonFC[m]Okay, I figured out what was making my videos lag in the Firefox Flatpak.Jul 10 04:14
DaemonFC[m]It uses that horrible piece of shit openh264 codec by default.Jul 10 04:14
DaemonFC[m]Disabling that and putting in ffmpeg-full fixes it.Jul 10 04:14
pav5088__DaemonFC[m], is it due to your hardware not supporting h264 in hardware?  It's a pretty heavy codec to handle in software.Jul 10 04:19
DaemonFC[m]openh264 seems to not have hardware acceleration.Jul 10 04:19
pav5088__The latest Raspberry Pi seems to handle it fine.Jul 10 04:20
pav5088__ack...  brainfart...   Pi4 supports h265 in hardwareJul 10 04:24
pav5088__Is the openh264 vs ffmpeg because of MIT vs LGPL?Jul 10 04:29
pav5088__BSD licensedJul 10 04:32
pav5088__Spoke to a guy from Amazon the other day...   they are SERIOUSLY GPL-allergic...Jul 10 04:33
schestowitzthey areJul 10 04:33
schestowitzthey hire people like mac asayJul 10 04:33
schestowitzthey just use freesw as cheap commodityJul 10 04:33
schestowitzgiving lots back is not on their mindJul 10 04:34
schestowitzthey treat is like "Commons"Jul 10 04:34
schestowitz"it's just there"Jul 10 04:34
pav5088__Annoying.Jul 10 04:36
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Pav5088I watched a primer on a political philosopher the other day (Unger 101, the politics of Roberto Mangabiera Unger) on YouTube the other day...  It was like he was talking about the Free Software Movement without actually using the name.Jul 10 04:40
kingoffranceyes, i never liked trying to "shame" big corps into "contributing" but it blows my mind that they e.g. use linux all over the place, but seemingly make zero effort to support itJul 10 04:41
Pav5088I have a feeling the Free Software Movement, and movements using similar methods have a potential to become VERY relevant to the mainstream.Jul 10 04:41
kingoffrancei mean, they will just say "we are following the contract, whats the problem"Jul 10 04:41
kingoffrancelike the openssl thing perhaps tooJul 10 04:41
kingoffranceso many ppl depended on itJul 10 04:42
kingoffrancee.g. so many lamp stacksJul 10 04:42
schestowitzlinux apache mysql ProprietarySoftwareJul 10 04:43
schestowitz:-)Jul 10 04:43
kingoffrancethats not wrongJul 10 04:43
kingoffrancethat actually i think is very relatedJul 10 04:43
Pav5088I saw a Debian guy talking about BSD vs GPL...  and he seems to think the I.T world is being gaslit...   he checked the numbers and GPL quite popular...  even GPL3Jul 10 04:43
kingoffrancethey build propietary stuff on topJul 10 04:43
kingoffrancetehy dont really want to "integrate" at lower levelJul 10 04:43
schestowitzPav5088: Microsoft pays a bunch of companies to claim otherwiseJul 10 04:43
schestowitzand github is being used in the anti-gpl coupJul 10 04:44
schestowitzeven blatantlyJul 10 04:44
schestowitzmaybe this is why gafam seems generally supportive of githubJul 10 04:44
schestowitzthey think alikeJul 10 04:44
Pav5088schestowitz, how does github come into it?  Have any links to info?Jul 10 04:44
schestowitzyes, we wrote about itJul 10 04:45
schestowitztechrights has a lot on itJul 10 04:45
schestowitzsource: rmsJul 10 04:45
schestowitzalso microsoft managersJul 10 04:45
schestowitzthey direct people to non-copyleftJul 10 04:45
kingoffranceits not a matter of "community good will" to me so much as "dont shoot yourself in the foot, if you depend on something, make sure someone is maintaining it" its just simple business logic to meJul 10 04:45
kingoffrancelike make sure you have a good supplier for parts or whateverJul 10 04:45
schestowitzalso, in general, they use their 'studies' (that only count MSFT-controlled stuff) to claim gpl diminishesJul 10 04:45
kingoffranceit doesnt have to be political or freedom-related evenJul 10 04:46
kingoffrancethats why it blows my mindJul 10 04:46
kingoffranceif you're a restaurant, it is in your best interest your ingredients/whatever supplier stays in businessJul 10 04:46
kingoffranceits YOUR survival tooJul 10 04:47
Pav5088schestowitz, will look into itJul 10 04:49
Pav5088There's a Free Software group in my city...   but it seems to be inactive.  And when I called for an informal meeting I got shilled by an Amazon guy.Jul 10 04:50
Pav5088It was a bit strange.Jul 10 04:51
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DaemonFC[m]I laughed so hard I almost choked when I was reading a commit log for sddm."systemd makes it more likely that multiple graphical logins will explode"Jul 10 05:31
DaemonFC[m]systemd makes the system more likely to explode in generalJul 10 05:31
DaemonFC[m]"Sure it explodes occasionally, but it keeps perfect time!" Jul 10 05:31
DaemonFC[m]Someday I hope to have a 64 core Intel CPU with hyperthreading so I can run two copies of GNOME Clocks.Jul 10 05:32
CrystalMaththis is why i'm switching to slackwareJul 10 05:34
*psydread will probably never have a 64-core Intel CPU with hyperthreading so will sadly never be able to run even one instance of GNOME Clocks in its full glory, let alone twoJul 10 05:34
CrystalMathxclock <3Jul 10 05:35
CrystalMathi have an xclock with a transparent background on my desktopJul 10 05:35
CrystalMathyes this magic was enabled with the backgroundPixmap property and cropping the wallpaper ;PJul 10 05:35
CrystalMathi wrote a script to do itJul 10 05:35
DaemonFC[m]I might just settle on Debian eventually. I'm sure with Flatpak it's nowhere near as painful as it used to be.Jul 10 05:37
CrystalMathflatpak?Jul 10 05:37
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CrystalMathhmm....Jul 10 05:40
CrystalMathit looks systemd-dependent, so, crappyJul 10 05:40
CrystalMathi'll stick to firejailJul 10 05:40
CrystalMathit's more efficient anywayJul 10 05:40
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superkuhAll containerization is the same thing. It's the fever to the sickness that is no backwards compatibility beyond 5 years. The extremely fast pace of new features in c++$year, glibc, etc, and devs using them means you can't run something written today on a 5 year old distro.Jul 10 07:15
insmodppaYou can't run it on something 5 months in the future, either.Jul 10 07:15
superkuhIt's future shock.Jul 10 07:15
superkuhLets all just compile everything static.Jul 10 07:15
superkuhContainers try to do the same and end up with magnitudes more complexity and less performance.Jul 10 07:16
kingoffrancewell thats the first time i heard someone say such...usually its just meJul 10 07:29
kingoffrancei think its all the scripting langauges too, each have their own package managers...i mean, i dont expect them all to "integrate" with osJul 10 07:30
kingoffrancebut containers seems to me like "dont fix actual problems or integrate properly"Jul 10 07:30
kingoffrancelike that was the reason they came to beJul 10 07:30
kingoffranceto avoid fixing stuffJul 10 07:30
kingoffranceand at least in past, they didnt have best security eitehrJul 10 07:30
kingoffranceso claiming that would be retroactive revision IMOJul 10 07:31
kingoffrancethey always struck me as a "good enough" thingJul 10 07:31
kingoffrancetechnical debt building upJul 10 07:31
kingoffrancepeople who want to get web apps up ASAPJul 10 07:32
kingoffrancewhich is fine -- but if you need multiple conflicting versions of language x -- then why not make it so that is not a problem?  fix the real issueJul 10 07:33
kingoffranceand some of those things ran everything as rootJul 10 07:34
kingoffranceso its just lazynessJul 10 07:35
kingoffrancejust throw it in a container because i dont have time to not run as rootJul 10 07:35
kingoffrancei guess it struck me odd too, they seem to have showed up after virtualization Jul 10 07:36
kingoffranceso they are supposed to be faster? even with hardware-assisted?Jul 10 07:37
kingoffrancei guess it seemed to me good practice different daemons run as different users, so you were supposed to be "containering" things anyways normallyJul 10 07:39
kingoffrancebut if your app was running everything as root i guess you didnt botherJul 10 07:40
kingoffranceplus with puppet  + chef + all those type thingsJul 10 07:44
kingoffrancei thought those would ensure you had a "stable" env. or whateverJul 10 07:45
kingoffrancethat the correct versions of stuff was isntalled correctlyJul 10 07:45
kingoffrancethey arent mutually exclusive i guess, but ...Jul 10 07:46
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MinceR(cat) https://ircz.de/p/20022258Jul 10 12:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4377814)Jul 10 12:32
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/2002244Jul 10 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4380890)Jul 10 13:45
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/xQvaF29.jpgJul 10 14:36
schestowitzdir /godJul 10 14:45
schestowitzdeltree /godJul 10 14:46
MinceRhttp://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2845Jul 10 14:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scp-wiki.net | SCP-2845 - SCP FoundationJul 10 14:47
scientesMinceR, WWTTTTFFFFJul 10 14:58
MinceRdeer god.Jul 10 15:00
MinceRor, as it was listed, "THE DEER"Jul 10 15:00
MinceR(audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/04/26/f0ab771257426ca4.mp4Jul 10 15:24
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139736 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c984ffc4-9ddf-4f8a-a2e7-736675f0d273]Jul 10 16:43
MinceRoh, even windows XP was named after a disease >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeroderma_pigmentosumJul 10 16:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Xeroderma pigmentosum - WikipediaJul 10 16:59
MinceR(like Pinta and Mono, and bìng after disease in general)Jul 10 17:00
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schestowitzMinceR: no, the disease is named after WindowsJul 10 17:19
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MinceR:>Jul 10 17:20
DaemonFC[m]Well, a UPS driver dumped Mandy's meds and left and they got stolen.Jul 10 18:13
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DaemonFC[m]Then when I complained, the guy told me to go fuck myself.Jul 10 18:21
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Fuck me? No, FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!".Jul 10 18:21
DaemonFC[m]It turned into a shouting match in the parking lot.Jul 10 18:22
DaemonFC[m]The guy working at the front desk asked me what that was all about. I said, "That UPS driver told me to go fuck myself. Can you believe that?".Jul 10 18:22
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlJtohZSsfYJul 10 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTubeJul 10 18:27
DaemonFC[m]Someone needs to tell Florida that this is never going to heal if you don't stop picking.Jul 10 18:41
DaemonFC[m]If the Republican plan to win the election is kill 20,000 more old voters in Florida before Election Day....mission accomplished.Jul 10 18:42
MinceR(cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/vyUf7vO.mp4Jul 10 18:43
DaemonFC[m]This is insane. This is something straight out of a Bill Hicks routine. Where he was mocking conservative Christians for saying  there was Satanic stuff in music.Jul 10 18:43
DaemonFC[m]"Satan's standing outside Radio Shack every Monday morning going 'WHAT NEW THINGS DO YOU HAVE FOR ME TODAY!?'". Jul 10 18:43
DaemonFC[m](Radio Shack filed bankruptcy years ago but that joke could easily be updated.)Jul 10 18:44
DaemonFC[m]"People playing records backwards.....Don't destroy my HiFi system to prove a point.....".Jul 10 18:44
DaemonFC[m]"RHEEEEEEEET! 'You hear that? Satan is lord!? It's like he's right there in the room with you!'"Jul 10 18:45
MinceR"if you play a windows cd backwards, you can hear a satanic message. but that's nothing! if you play it forward, it installs windows!"Jul 10 18:45
DaemonFC[m]"Two fans of Judas Priest killed themselves. Did you read about that? Uh, wow....Two fans of Judas Priest commit suicide.....Two less gas station attendants in the world.....Am I right?".Jul 10 18:46
DaemonFC[m]"Then the family members sued the band, Judas Priest. Here's something that didn't come up at the trial....which, by the way, they had. WHAT.....fucking band, wants their customers dead!? I don't get the long term gain here!"Jul 10 18:47
DaemonFC[m]That's a big problem. Anyone can sue anyone.Jul 10 18:54
DaemonFC[m]The way it works is that if you don't respond to being sued, the court is likely to deem that every single thing in the complaint is true and give them a default ruling.Jul 10 18:55
DaemonFC[m]Many states have anti-SLAPP laws that make the danger of this thing exploding on you higher if you use their courts, but the rich can just shop around for a state with an inferior legal system, show that one party has a "nexus" there, and sue you there.Jul 10 18:56
DaemonFC[m]So every state that passes anti-SLAPP makes it harder, but if there are any that haven't, the danger is still out there.Jul 10 18:56
DaemonFC[m]Court have recently taken a stronger stance against being abused this way, so things have gotten a little better.Jul 10 18:57
DaemonFC[m]Unfortunately, it's still pretty easy. If I'm a patent troll looking to sue somebody, obviously I'll incorporate  in Texas and do the suing in a federal court down there.Jul 10 18:58
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: That Bob Murray guy is a real piece of work.Jul 10 18:59
DaemonFC[m]Made his office secretary get down on the floor and go searching for a kidney stone that he fished out of the toilet and then dropped. Jul 10 18:59
DaemonFC[m]While screaming "FIND IT! FIND IT!".Jul 10 19:00
DaemonFC[m]Then he did some kind of "bonus" program for his coal workers, where one guy got a bonus check for $3.87.Jul 10 19:00
DaemonFC[m]So the guy wrote "Eat Shit, Bob! in the memo and sent it back.Jul 10 19:00
MinceRlolJul 10 19:01
DaemonFC[m]So Bob Murray filed a lawsuit against him for suggesting that he eat shit.Jul 10 19:02
DaemonFC[m]It's technically illegal to tell someone fuck you on the phone.Jul 10 19:03
DaemonFC[m]Or in a letter.Jul 10 19:03
DaemonFC[m]So I suppose telling someone to eat shit in a letter is against the law.Jul 10 19:03
DaemonFC[m]It just doesn't get used that much.Jul 10 19:03
MinceRwhat happened to the first amendment?Jul 10 19:04
DaemonFC[m]It's been chipped down to nothing in the name of politeness.Jul 10 19:04
DaemonFC[m]I told UPS "Fuck you people." on the phone.Jul 10 19:04
DaemonFC[m]I mean, like, eh.Jul 10 19:04
DaemonFC[m]They misdelivered life saving medication and then said it was a whole bunch of not their problem and were shoving me off the phone.Jul 10 19:05
DaemonFC[m]So I finally became exasperated. Jul 10 19:06
DaemonFC[m]So I called CVS in California from the number that they provided in the shipping info and they said, "Oh this happens with UPS all the time where they misdeliever meds. I can just overnight some to the nearest pharmacy if you want. We won't bill your insurance again.".Jul 10 19:07
DaemonFC[m]Because this is America, I was losing my shit figuring that since this medication is costlyand the insurance already covered it once that there would just be no meds this month.Jul 10 19:08
DaemonFC[m]It's truly horrifying to live here, and a lot of people like my mom are just very resistant to change because they've had their brains scooped out and have been turned into stupid robots that repeat Fox News talking points.Jul 10 19:08
DaemonFC[m]COVID-19 has split the church people into two camps.Jul 10 19:09
DaemonFC[m]Like 70-75% of them probably know better but show up to save face and get the virus.Jul 10 19:10
DaemonFC[m]The rest just run for the hills because they're in no hurry to die even though they think things get better forever after you die.Jul 10 19:10
DaemonFC[m]You can't use logic here. So a fetus has a soul, and since it hasn't committed a sin if it is miscarried or aborted, it goes straight to heaven,Jul 10 19:11
DaemonFC[m]However, we need to be saved because even if we haven't sinned, we all have original sin, even though God would never judge us for something we didn't do, except when he does.Jul 10 19:11
MinceRlolJul 10 19:12
DaemonFC[m]Also, if you are a vegetable trapped in your own body, you get a mulligan from having to confess your sins because God can read your mind.Jul 10 19:12
MinceRdidn't "God" already sacrifice himself so that he'll forgive us for something that is not our responsibility?Jul 10 19:12
DaemonFC[m]However, if you can talk, God can't read your mind and you have to tell this priest everything.Jul 10 19:13
MinceRlolJul 10 19:13
DaemonFC[m]Also, demons infest people's bodies and plant thoughts and make people do things, but they can't read your mind, because only God can read your mind.Jul 10 19:13
DaemonFC[m]But only if you're a vegetable.Jul 10 19:14
CrystalMathbut god can also plant thoughts and make people do thingsJul 10 19:14
CrystalMathbut he refuses to do thatJul 10 19:14
CrystalMathexcept when he did itJul 10 19:14
CrystalMathallegedlyJul 10 19:14
DaemonFC[m]Everyone has sinned and falls short of the glory of God, and all sins are equally bad. They can all be forgiven if you ask sincerely.Jul 10 19:15
DaemonFC[m]However, we're going to go out of our way to ignore the adultery going on in the church and bash gay people.Jul 10 19:15
CrystalMathsome people hate homosexuals not because they're religious but because they just doJul 10 19:16
DaemonFC[m]God doesn't hold a grudge, but at the same time if you've ever committed blasphemy, he won't forgive you no matter how sincere you are and you are condemned to Hell for all eternity and might as well just go do all sorts of horrible things really because it doesn't matter anymore.Jul 10 19:16
CrystalMathlike i've seen this in atheist placesJul 10 19:16
CrystalMaththey're also anti-LGBTJul 10 19:16
CrystalMatheven in this place (at the risk of sounding like an SJW) i've noticed people shaming men for using any kind of makeupJul 10 19:16
DaemonFC[m]Satan is a well known Libertarian presidential candidate, and also likes Hillary Clinton.Jul 10 19:17
MinceR(cat) https://i.imgur.com/li09hQz.jpgJul 10 19:17
CrystalMathyeah Clinton is the only thing we disagree onJul 10 19:17
CrystalMathi tried to tell him that she's bad but he just won't listen, so i stopped dialing 666Jul 10 19:17
DaemonFC[m]Satan is evil because of the whole do whatever you want as long as you aren't hurting anyone else thing. Jul 10 19:18
DaemonFC[m]That simply will not do. You must submit yourself to the state and the church!Jul 10 19:18
DaemonFC[m]Also, Satan is somehow more evil for having the "don't hurt anyone else" boundary while many high ranking priests and Republican men rape women and children and then tell us how evil everyone else is.Jul 10 19:19
DaemonFC[m]Consent is evil! You never ask for consent before doing something or you're an evil Satanist!Jul 10 19:19
DaemonFC[m]Only Satanists ask for consent!Jul 10 19:20
DaemonFC[m]The only true church is the one you're a member of. Until you change your mind and then the new church is right and everyone else is wrong. Repeat as necessary. (Mom)Jul 10 19:21
CrystalMathbut that's mostly gen X / xennial christianityJul 10 19:21
CrystalMathmillenial christianity is more against the stateJul 10 19:21
CrystalMaththe bible can be interpreted either wayJul 10 19:21
DaemonFC[m]Nobody likes the state, and if they do they're lying.Jul 10 19:21
DaemonFC[m]The state is not just sometimes tyrannical. The state is such a tyrant that the only time you might get a breather from it in a certain area is if a judge agrees with you. Jul 10 19:22
MinceRso what are the millennials doing to enforce separation of church and state? and where?Jul 10 19:22
DaemonFC[m]It's an exception, not the rule. The state will then inspect the judge's ruling and figure out whichever loopholes it can and change the law to oppress you as much as it can within the letter of the ruling.Jul 10 19:23
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "so what are the millennials doin"> Well, not giving money to the church helps.Jul 10 19:23
DaemonFC[m]They lost a lot of subscribers to the Coronavirus. Much of it self-inflicted by trying to rush them back in to pump them one last time.Jul 10 19:24
DaemonFC[m]The Coronavirus is now the #1 cause of death in America since early April.Jul 10 19:25
DaemonFC[m]It's increasing deaths by about 10% over the normal daily amount, on average.Jul 10 19:25
CrystalMathbut how? less than 1,000 die from it every dayJul 10 19:25
CrystalMathin the US, i meanJul 10 19:26
DaemonFC[m]If you average in the days we were over 2,000 the average is still over 1,000.Jul 10 19:26
MinceRyeah, we need more lethal strainsJul 10 19:26
DaemonFC[m]It's on the upswing again, and so there will be more days over 1,000.Jul 10 19:26
DaemonFC[m]Which will keep the average up.Jul 10 19:26
CrystalMath7,000 people die in the US every single dayJul 10 19:27
CrystalMathstatisticallyJul 10 19:27
CrystalMathgive or take a few hundredJul 10 19:27
CrystalMathtoday there was 415 deaths from COVID_19Jul 10 19:27
CrystalMaththat's 6%Jul 10 19:28
DaemonFC[m]So far that's what they report.Jul 10 19:28
CrystalMathwhat about the 94%?Jul 10 19:28
DaemonFC[m]They don't stop adding to that until like 8 PM CST.Jul 10 19:28
DaemonFC[m]It's 1:28 now.Jul 10 19:28
CrystalMathokay let's jump ahead and say 15% die from thatJul 10 19:28
CrystalMaththat still leaves 85% dying of everything elseJul 10 19:29
DaemonFC[m]The media desperately needs this election to be a horse race even though Biden has a double digit lead nationally, and a lead in every swing state.Jul 10 19:30
MinceRthey should nominate some horses, thenJul 10 19:30
DaemonFC[m]So they're just churning out articles as fast as they can. It's basically a content farm at this point.Jul 10 19:31
CrystalMaththat makes no sense, Biden is stupidJul 10 19:31
DaemonFC[m]CNN has articles on the same day that says Trump won't win and then here's how Trump can still win.Jul 10 19:31
CrystalMathi know people who will vote for TrumpJul 10 19:31
DaemonFC[m]Fox News polls have even been consistently bad for Trump.Jul 10 19:31
DaemonFC[m]So he attacks Fox News.Jul 10 19:31
CrystalMathi don't know a single person who flipped against TrumpJul 10 19:32
MinceR10 203122 < CrystalMath> that makes no sense, Biden is stupidJul 10 19:34
MinceRexcellent match for twitler, thenJul 10 19:34
CrystalMathheh :PJul 10 19:34
MinceRnot so much for the country, though...Jul 10 19:34
CrystalMathto anyone voting for biden, do you really want a country that kneels before SJWs?Jul 10 19:34
CrystalMathvoting for Biden is just like stabbing RMS right in the chestJul 10 19:35
CrystalMathTrump has done a lot to improve the freedom of individuals in the USJul 10 19:36
MinceRyou're screwed either wayJul 10 19:36
CrystalMathhe repealed laws that ban the sale of incandescent lightbulbsJul 10 19:36
MinceRhas he?Jul 10 19:36
CrystalMathhe (at least tried!) to pull troops out of foreign countriesJul 10 19:36
CrystalMathand he pulled lots of troops out of syriaJul 10 19:36
CrystalMathhe didn't want to enforce a lockdown, which again improves the freedom of the individualJul 10 19:38
CrystalMathafter all, any libertarian will tell you, you shouldn't forbid people from doing bad things to themselvesJul 10 19:39
CrystalMathno matter how badJul 10 19:40
XRevan86and in some cases to other peopleJul 10 19:40
CrystalMathnope, people were allowed to stay at home no matter whatJul 10 19:40
CrystalMaththe government could have guaranteed that everyone has to OFFER a way to work from homeJul 10 19:41
CrystalMathwithout locking people inJul 10 19:41
CrystalMathso those who want to live can stay insideJul 10 19:41
CrystalMaththose who want to risk can do whatever they wantJul 10 19:41
CrystalMathand then die maybeJul 10 19:41
CrystalMathor notJul 10 19:41
MinceRor they can be killed by the armyJul 10 19:42
XRevan86CrystalMath: A big problem of that kind of thinking is that no one lives in a vacuum. There is no such thing has an independent individual.Jul 10 19:42
CrystalMathMinceR: why would you that?Jul 10 19:42
MinceRask Agent OrangeJul 10 19:42
CrystalMathXRevan86: like i told you, people who want to stay home should be allowed, and people should make sure that they canJul 10 19:42
CrystalMathXRevan86: so... you want to be safe? everyone will make sure that you have that optionJul 10 19:43
XRevan86CrystalMath: Any libertarian will tell you that their boss has the freedom to hire them.Jul 10 19:43
XRevan86* fireJul 10 19:43
MinceRin what state were people forbidden from leaving their homes?Jul 10 19:43
CrystalMathMinceR: well in Michigan they did stupid stuffJul 10 19:43
CrystalMathand in Louisiana tooJul 10 19:43
CrystalMathin Michigan they banned the sale of fruits and vegetablesJul 10 19:44
MinceRdoing stupid stuff seems to be the "hip" and "cool" thing to do nowadaysJul 10 19:44
CrystalMaththis is a demonrat in powerJul 10 19:44
CrystalMathremember that, Michigan's governor is a demon-ratJul 10 19:44
CrystalMathIndiana tooJul 10 19:44
CrystalMaththey have a demon-rat who did something ridiculous, i know people had to get a court restraining order to be allowed to go wherever they wantJul 10 19:45
CrystalMaththere was a "stay-at-home order"Jul 10 19:45
MinceRfor everyone or for people known to be infected?Jul 10 19:45
CrystalMathXRevan86: well, one can suspend that during a pandemic, it's better than stay-at-home orders of any kindJul 10 19:45
XRevan86CrystalMath: That is not the libertarian way either.Jul 10 19:46
CrystalMathMinceR: well the people who went to court were absolutely healthyJul 10 19:46
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CrystalMathXRevan86: yeah but it's a better compromiseJul 10 19:46
CrystalMathXRevan86: i'm not saying it should be done, i'm just saying that there's a million things better than "the lockdown"Jul 10 19:46
XRevan86CrystalMath: Reasonable action is always a better option than some ideological coo-coo shitJul 10 19:46
CrystalMathXRevan86: except it's not reasonableJul 10 19:47
XRevan86CrystalMath: I didn't specifyJul 10 19:47
MinceRXRevan86: isn't that an ideology? :>Jul 10 19:47
CrystalMathyou can't escape from ideologyJul 10 19:47
XRevan86MinceR: Reasonable actions?Jul 10 19:47
CrystalMathXRevan86: ultimately there is nothing objectively goodJul 10 19:48
XRevan86May be so.Jul 10 19:48
CrystalMathXRevan86: even saving lives is NOT objectively goodJul 10 19:48
CrystalMathnot by any senseJul 10 19:48
CrystalMathfor example, you could save the life of the next HitlerJul 10 19:48
CrystalMathor the next Jeffrey DahmerJul 10 19:48
CrystalMathwho then goes on to kill 30, 300, 3,000Jul 10 19:48
MinceRthat would just be failing to save lives on the long termJul 10 19:48
MinceRyou could do worseJul 10 19:48
CrystalMathyes but i'm just saying how ridiculous it isJul 10 19:48
CrystalMathsaving a life is not objectively good by any meansJul 10 19:49
CrystalMathit fails every testJul 10 19:49
XRevan86MinceR: But if something is justified by some broad ideology like libertarianism or communism, it's probably oversimplified bullshit.Jul 10 19:49
CrystalMathin fact, you could have more good arguments for ending *all* livesJul 10 19:49
CrystalMaththere's more good arguments that can withstand scrutiny for killing everyone, than for saving everyoneJul 10 19:49
CrystalMathin particular, sacrificing freedom in order to stay alive is the dumbest thing i could imagineJul 10 19:50
CrystalMathwhat are you gonna do with that life you won? be a slave?Jul 10 19:50
CrystalMathit's better to die, reallyJul 10 19:50
MinceRindeedJul 10 19:51
XRevan86CrystalMath: Concentration camp survivors made a wrong choice?Jul 10 19:51
CrystalMaththey made the harder choiceJul 10 19:52
MinceRwhat choice did they make?Jul 10 19:52
XRevan86MinceR: surviveJul 10 19:52
CrystalMathsome of them were scarred for lifeJul 10 19:52
CrystalMathsome never recoevered mentally from their inhumane treatmentJul 10 19:53
CrystalMath*recoveredJul 10 19:53
MinceRthat treatment is humane indeedJul 10 19:53
MinceRas in what humans generally tend to doJul 10 19:53
MinceRXRevan86: did their captors ask them whether they want to be killed immediately, quickly and painlessly?Jul 10 19:54
CrystalMathstaying indoors for some time to survive isn't a bad choiceJul 10 19:54
CrystalMathbut letting people force you to? that's badJul 10 19:55
CrystalMathbecause if they can force you to do that, they won't stop thereJul 10 19:55
XRevan86MinceR: Instead of answeing that I'll say that I'm pretty sure most of them are glad they got out of it alive.Jul 10 19:55
MinceRsure, but that doesn't mean they're rightJul 10 19:55
XRevan86and didn't have CrystalMath as a compassionate warden or somethignJul 10 19:55
MinceRand also, usually not dependent on the choices they madeJul 10 19:55
DaemonFC[m]<CrystalMath "Indiana too"> Indiana's governor is a Republican.Jul 10 19:59
CrystalMathwait, Idaho the?Jul 10 19:59
CrystalMath*thenJul 10 19:59
CrystalMathwhere was that court thingJul 10 19:59
CrystalMathIllinois!!Jul 10 20:00
CrystalMathi knew it started with an IJul 10 20:00
CrystalMathPritzkerJul 10 20:01
CrystalMatha demon-ratJul 10 20:01
CrystalMathi'm not an american, so it shouldn't be a surprise that i can't remember the statesJul 10 20:02
CrystalMathi can probably remember them better than the average american anyway, at least their positions on the map :PJul 10 20:02
scientesI can hardly remember the state of weather I have clothes on or notJul 10 20:03
CrystalMathhttps://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2020/4/27/21239029/downstate-judge-pritzker-bailey-stay-home-order-covid-19-coronavirus-clay-countyJul 10 20:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chicago.suntimes.com | Downstate judge rules Gov. J.B. Pritzker out of line with stay-at-home orders – but governor calls suit ‘dangerous,’ ‘insult to all Illinoisans’ - Chicago Sun-TimesJul 10 20:03
CrystalMatha good judge ruled against the demon rat's demonic rat orderJul 10 20:04
MinceRyou da ho!Jul 10 20:04
CrystalMathwhen in doubt, kick the demon rat outJul 10 20:04
CrystalMathyou know that democrats are wrong on literally everythingJul 10 20:05
CrystalMaththere's no moment when they get it rightJul 10 20:05
scientesso are aliensJul 10 20:05
CrystalMathlike they believed black slavery was a good thing, WRONGJul 10 20:05
CrystalMathnow they believe white slavery is a good thing, WRONGJul 10 20:05
CrystalMaththey believe that not treating people like cattle is insulting them, WRONGJul 10 20:06
MinceRso when they believe somewhat less in forcing religion on people than "republican"s do, that's WRONG too?Jul 10 20:07
CrystalMaththey merely believe in forcing a different religionJul 10 20:07
CrystalMaththat's allJul 10 20:07
CrystalMaththe republicans get it wrong tooJul 10 20:07
MinceRand here i thought they were both christiansJul 10 20:07
CrystalMathand what would that mean? there were wars between christiansJul 10 20:07
CrystalMathover religionJul 10 20:07
MinceRshouldn't be surprisingJul 10 20:08
MinceRall abrahamic religions are built on stories of exterminating people over things like what god they worship or how they worshipJul 10 20:08
CrystalMatha centry ago, in the netherlands, catholics and protestants were quite separated, children were told not to play with children that are a different kind of christian, streets and entire areas had a uniform kind of christianity each, because they wouldn't live next to each otherJul 10 20:11
CrystalMathand of course all the conflicts in the war in croatia were between two kinds of christiansJul 10 20:12
CrystalMathbut i mean, it's not that we atheists don't divide amongst ourselves as wellJul 10 20:14
MinceRand when "democrats" believe that children shouldn't be forced to born into a situation where they won't be loved and won't be taken cared of and into a world that is hell, that's WRONG too?Jul 10 20:23
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MinceR"Vote the lesser of two evils! Skeletor 2020!"Jul 10 20:51
CrystalMath<@MinceR> and when "democrats" believe that children shouldn't be forced to born into a situation where they won't be loved and won't be taken cared of and into a world that is hell, that's WRONG too? <- they never believed thatJul 10 20:56
CrystalMathin fact, they're trying to do everything they can to make sure every american is born into helJul 10 20:56
CrystalMath*hellJul 10 20:56
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CrystalMatha worse hell than they already ARE born intoJul 10 20:57
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CrystalMathwould you choose to be born in a country where you get assaulted for wearing a MAGA hat? or when you get assaulted for not literally kneeling before minorities?Jul 10 20:58
MinceRso twitler and pants wanting to defund planned parenthood (among other things) means they're democrats after all?Jul 10 20:59
CrystalMathdefunding != banningJul 10 21:02
CrystalMathit can be crowdfunded to stay aliveJul 10 21:03
CrystalMathMinceR: also i said that republicans can be wrong tooJul 10 21:06
CrystalMathdemocrats believe people should be forced to pay for this stuffJul 10 21:06
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schestowitz52,185 new cases and 543 new deaths in the United States with 5 hours to goJul 10 21:16
schestowitzanother all-time record likely on the wayJul 10 21:16
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schestowitz[20:59] <MinceR> so twitler and pants wanting to defund planned parenthood (among other things) means they're democrats after all?Jul 10 21:26
schestowitzlol at Mike PantsJul 10 21:26
schestowitzglad it has spreadJul 10 21:26
schestowitz"pants" has a special meaning hereJul 10 21:26
DaemonFC[m]FuckJul 10 21:28
DaemonFC[m]The check engine light came on in the car.Jul 10 21:28
schestowitzWith 10 states (yes 10!) left to report, US new #covid19 cases count already at 53.2k. It's going to be over 60k today, maybe all-time high.Jul 10 21:28
schestowitzcoolJul 10 21:28
schestowitzthrow the car awayJul 10 21:28
schestowitzget a new oneJul 10 21:28
schestowitzdoneJul 10 21:28
DaemonFC[m]I'm at the shop. Hoping it's a sensor or something.Jul 10 21:28
DaemonFC[m]With an open bankruptcy? Unlikely.Jul 10 21:28
schestowitzcheck your sarcasm meterJul 10 21:28
schestowitzthat too isn't a sensor something :-)Jul 10 21:29
DaemonFC[m]HahJul 10 21:29
schestowitzBlame Hillary!Jul 10 21:29
DaemonFC[m]Eh, I don't like broken things.Jul 10 21:35
DaemonFC[m]Speaking of which, the old battlewagon laptop is back at home downloading Kubuntu.Jul 10 21:35
DaemonFC[m]Worth a try. Fedora has another one of those crazy sudo bugs happening right now.Jul 10 21:36
DaemonFC[m]I might park myself on something lts if it works.Jul 10 21:36
schestowitzhow is the google piece coming along?Jul 10 21:37
DaemonFC[m]Oh god. The car. Someone stole Mandy's medicine.Jul 10 21:37
schestowitzeven just (mostly) screenshots would doJul 10 21:37
schestowitzwhy would someone steal medication?Jul 10 21:37
schestowitzit's not likely to be of use on the black market?Jul 10 21:37
DaemonFC[m]It's a box that the UPS guy left sitting kutside a motel.Jul 10 21:38
schestowitz+53,841 casesJul 10 21:38
schestowitzFL +11,433Jul 10 21:38
DaemonFC[m]Oh, I cussed him out over thatm the lady at the pharmacy said she'd overnight a replacement to the closest cvs.Jul 10 21:38
DaemonFC[m]This is will die without stuff.Jul 10 21:38
DaemonFC[m]Not some 20 dollar piece of crap from Amazon.Jul 10 21:38
DaemonFC[m]I saw the same UPS driver on my way down here and gave him the finger.Jul 10 21:39
schestowitzwelcome to the "gig economy"Jul 10 21:39
schestowitzand "online shopping"Jul 10 21:39
schestowitzit's sooo sooo goodJul 10 21:39
schestowitzand good for the client, tooJul 10 21:39
schestowitzthey just throw things at your outer entranceJul 10 21:40
MinceR10 223611 < DaemonFC[m]> Worth a try. Fedora has another one of those crazy sudo bugs happening right now.Jul 10 21:40
schestowitzat your next-door neighbourJul 10 21:40
schestowitzoutsourcing the risk to youJul 10 21:40
MinceRaren't you supposed to be using "machinectl shell" or some demented shit like that?Jul 10 21:40
MinceR10 220645 < CrystalMath> democrats believe people should be forced to pay for this stuffJul 10 21:41
MinceRso people shouldn't be forced to pay for contraception and abortion, but they should be paid for the feeding of the unwanted young?Jul 10 21:42
MinceRs/should be paid/should be forced to pay/Jul 10 21:42
CrystalMathhow would they be paid?Jul 10 21:42
CrystalMathby making someone else pay? noJul 10 21:42
DaemonFC[m]MinceR whatever it is, it makes sudo take like 30 seconds to ask for my password sometimes and it prevents the KDE screen locker from accepting the password.Jul 10 21:42
MinceRvia taxes and welfareJul 10 21:42
CrystalMathyeah, noJul 10 21:42
CrystalMathnone of that crapJul 10 21:42
MinceRand people should be forced to pay for the indoctrination of other people's children in religious schools?Jul 10 21:42
DaemonFC[m]It's probably one of those we decided to make a dns query and the server went ehat whaaaaaat things.Jul 10 21:43
DaemonFC[m]Sudo is fucking terrible.Jul 10 21:43
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: seems to me the issue is not with sudoJul 10 21:43
MinceRbut with cancerd and whatever they did to PAMJul 10 21:43
DaemonFC[m]PAM is another mess of its own.Jul 10 21:44
MinceRnot if you don't let the likes of poettering touch itJul 10 21:45
MinceRafaict sudo and PAM still work fine on free unixesJul 10 21:46
MinceR(and so does doas on openbsd)Jul 10 21:46
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schestowitzWith 7 states left to report US covid19 cases today already up to 55kJul 10 21:59
*schestowitz does not use sudo anymoreJul 10 22:00
DaemonFC[m]It's a vacuum leak from what it sounds like.Jul 10 22:02
DaemonFC[m]I think Kubuntu 20.04 lts might work out okay.Jul 10 22:04
DaemonFC[m]3 year support. My laptop is getting up there angway.Jul 10 22:05
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Digit55k?  :3  still determined with those inflated pcr tests?  Jul 10 22:23
schestowitzI assumed lab testsJul 10 22:25
schestowitzIR is guest/estimateJul 10 22:25
schestowitz59k nowJul 10 22:26
Digitmixing in the antibody tests too?   mixing in clinical diagnosis too?  mixing in conflated post-mortem misdiagnoses too?  who makes n profits of the pcr tests?  are they intentionally making them such absurd small fractions absurdly over multiplied for false positives to help drum up more business?Jul 10 22:26
schestowitzColorado  Nebraska Idaho New Hampshire Jul 10 22:26
schestowitzUSAJul 10 22:26
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schestowitzNew MexicoJul 10 22:27
schestowitzHawaiiJul 10 22:27
*Digit grabs himself another dose of dr john bergman for a startJul 10 22:27
schestowitztesting business?Jul 10 22:27
schestowitzhow does brazil test?Jul 10 22:28
DaemonFC[m]Looks like the car was a false alarm.Jul 10 22:31
DaemonFC[m]Dirty MAF sensor.Jul 10 22:31
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schestowitz59.5kJul 10 22:35
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: what's maf?Jul 10 22:35
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oiaohmDigit: the anti-body test on covid-19 is known to read low.  Why its possible to fight off the covid-19 illness without developing any specialised anti-bodys the general anti-cancer ones in some people successfully do it.Jul 10 22:49
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DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "DaemonFC: what's maf?"> Mass Air Flow sensorJul 10 22:51
schestowitzok,thanlsJul 10 22:55
schestowitzthanksJul 10 22:55
oiaohmDigit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymerase_chain_reaction  It depends on the PCR method if it the oldest method its purely the lab preforming the test and the companies providing supplies.   This is why there have some major screw ups as you can perform PCR in non standard ways leading to false positives or negatives.Jul 10 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Polymerase chain reaction - WikipediaJul 10 22:56
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DaemonFC[m]I like KDE, I like Fedora mostly.Jul 10 23:15
DaemonFC[m]But this PAM and systemd crap is turning into a real rat's nest that's getting worse by the minute.Jul 10 23:16
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schestowitzpam is still in fedora?Jul 10 23:19
schestowitz+60,750 cases with 3 hours to goJul 10 23:20
schestowitziirc, 62k was the previous record highJul 10 23:20
schestowitzthe idea is, the trumpists need to bring those numbers downJul 10 23:20
schestowitzthe total fatalities also increase over timeJul 10 23:20
schestowitzin uk 48 deaths and 512 cases today... if we trust these numbers (I am sceptical about some aspects)Jul 10 23:21
schestowitz11,538,519 tests to dateJul 10 23:21
schestowitz11,286,921 yesterdayJul 10 23:21
schestowitzso we still test, on average about a quarter million per dayJul 10 23:21
schestowitzif only 500 or so come out positive, it's like one in 500Jul 10 23:21
schestowitzwith some regions of England being worse (higher per capita)Jul 10 23:22
schestowitzmanchster is ranked 15th last I checkedJul 10 23:22
schestowitz61k+ nowJul 10 23:24
schestowitz61.8k previous all-time highJul 10 23:24
schestowitzJuly 8thJul 10 23:24
MinceR11 001947 < schestowitz> pam is still in fedora? Jul 10 23:25
MinceRafaik *logind can't work without PAMJul 10 23:25
schestowitzwhy does login need systemd anyway?Jul 10 23:25
schestowitzand it's running even after you log inJul 10 23:25
schestowitzis that for login on the terminal?Jul 10 23:25
schestowitzor remote login daemon as well?Jul 10 23:26
MinceRnot loginJul 10 23:26
MinceRsystemd-logind and elogindJul 10 23:26
schestowitzkerneld coming soonJul 10 23:26
schestowitzbased on machJul 10 23:26
schestowitzMuchBetter(r)Jul 10 23:26
MinceRit would be nice if they switched to their own kernelJul 10 23:26
MinceRinstead of making Linux worseJul 10 23:26
schestowitzfuchsia from GoogleJul 10 23:26
schestowitzkerneld from IBMJul 10 23:27
schestowitzthe MuchBetter(r) stuffJul 10 23:27
psydreadunikernel-systemdJul 10 23:27
schestowitzTorvalds might have 5-10 years left in relevance frameJul 10 23:27
schestowitzthe drivers can be portedJul 10 23:27
schestowitzgithub will help :-)Jul 10 23:27
psydread> But this PAM and systemd crap is turning into a real rat's nest that's getting worse by the minute.Jul 10 23:29
psydreadI wonder if it's even worth it to go to an earlier state of GNU/Linux and fork from there taking things in another directionJul 10 23:29
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MinceRcould beJul 10 23:31
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: record.Jul 10 23:32
schestowitzSoldier's idea of sacrifice: I will go to the D-Day invasion for the anti-fascist war Jul 10 23:32
schestowitzTrump's idea of sacrifice: I will kill a quarter million old Americans, people who vote for me, to help con men like me get richerJul 10 23:32
MinceRbut it will still take a lot of people to maintain LinuxJul 10 23:32
XRevan86Mach is not like MačJul 10 23:33
MinceRmat'Jul 10 23:33
schestowitzsome distros already explore gnu+bsdJul 10 23:34
schestowitznotable among them is an fsf-endorsed oneJul 10 23:34
schestowitzthey're not happy with the ways things are going, inc. drmJul 10 23:34
schestowitzinteresting times aheadJul 10 23:34
schestowitzazure is failing anywayJul 10 23:34
schestowitzalmost 5 years of spam/ads sunk onto sitesJul 10 23:34
schestowitzand still minuscule share of the marketJul 10 23:35
schestowitziis at 2%Jul 10 23:35
schestowitzgrowing irrelevanceJul 10 23:35
schestowitzfalling into oblivionJul 10 23:35
schestowitzfor servers, as a market, microsoft rapidly becomes zeroJul 10 23:35
schestowitzdesktop... well, people move to mobile more and moreJul 10 23:35
schestowitzthe patent blackmail relies on old and expiring patentsJul 10 23:35
schestowitzthere are layoffsJul 10 23:36
schestowitzgodot said that Microsoft had cut its funding tooJul 10 23:36
schestowitzhours ago in its official blogJul 10 23:36
schestowitzbut I guess billg is already moving into the needle and test tube "bizniz"Jul 10 23:36
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: +62,934Jul 10 23:36
schestowitzmaybe it can reach 70k today, more than I expected (65k)Jul 10 23:37
psydreadMicrosoft is DEC, Sun, IBM and who knows what other companies all in oneJul 10 23:37
psydreadwith much inferior tech, but still following the same path of declineJul 10 23:38
schestowitzUS, with 4% of the world's population, now accounts for 35.72% of the world's known and active #covid19 cases. Well done, #trump (build that wall to keep the rest of the world safe)Jul 10 23:39
schestowitzmicrosoft's market cap is fakeJul 10 23:39
schestowitzbased on fraud and liesJul 10 23:39
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/02/03/azure-lies/Jul 10 23:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft “Azure” (or “Cloud”) Results Are Most Likely an Elaborate Fraud | TechrightsJul 10 23:39
schestowitzit's gonna come down really hard one dayJul 10 23:39
schestowitzwhen the shareholders find out what a ponzi scheme this is...Jul 10 23:40
psydreadwhen I said this as a comment on some "news article" I was called "negative", but I prefer being called a realistJul 10 23:40
schestowitzusually the realists are... realisticJul 10 23:40
schestowitzif we were to learn anything from the events of 2008Jul 10 23:41
schestowitz+63,251Jul 10 23:41
schestowitz(those are active)Jul 10 23:41
schestowitznot antibodiesJul 10 23:41
schestowitztoxic bioweapens with two legsJul 10 23:42
schestowitz*weaponsJul 10 23:42
schestowitzTulsa reports many new casesJul 10 23:42
schestowitztheir admin there, the officials, blame the Trump RallyJul 10 23:42
psydreadI think what is going to undo microsoft is that they don't have any enthusiast developers left for pretty much their entire stackJul 10 23:43
schestowitzyes, I saw an article about .NET todayJul 10 23:44
psydreadand a platform with no development going for it will eventually dieJul 10 23:44
schestowitzMS Tim wrote itJul 10 23:44
schestowitzMicrosoft had bribed him BTWJul 10 23:44
schestowitzhe admitting that .NET openwashing had failedJul 10 23:44
schestowitzit was only Microsoft still working on itJul 10 23:44
schestowitzzephyr and Microsoft have much in common... maybe to be shelves under LF or ApacheJul 10 23:44
schestowitzto maintain illusion of ongoing relevanceJul 10 23:45
schestowitzbut Microsoft now attempts to intrude apache and other lively communities of devsJul 10 23:45
schestowitzit also bought github, though I'm failing to see how -- other than control -- it elevated Microsoft's own stackJul 10 23:45
schestowitzVS "Code" and WSL are failuresJul 10 23:45
schestowitznot the adoption they wantedJul 10 23:46
schestowitzPowerShell, Terminal... all paid fluff in the media, not many usersJul 10 23:46
schestowitzit's seen as a loser's turfJul 10 23:46
schestowitzand real devs look elsewhereJul 10 23:46
schestowitzfertile groundJul 10 23:46
schestowitzMicrosoft people who interact with me in Twitter aren't dismissiveJul 10 23:46
schestowitzas if accepting that what I say is "true".... but "not helpful"Jul 10 23:47
schestowitzthey fake momentumJul 10 23:47
schestowitzhoping it'll turn into something realJul 10 23:47
schestowitzbut years down the line... nothingJul 10 23:47
schestowitzall talk, spam, googlebombingJul 10 23:47
schestowitzLF is deadJul 10 23:47
schestowitzit's not a FOSS or Linux group anymoreJul 10 23:48
psydreadI read a comment on some YT video and it said that the only way for MS Windows to survive is to make it a Linux distro, because then it can ride on the coattails of multiarchitecture GNU/LinuxJul 10 23:48
schestowitzand the widespread sentiment is exactly thatJul 10 23:48
psydreadso this is the thing I'm most wary ofJul 10 23:48
schestowitzthey lost all credibility with the community... LF has no leverage over communities anymore... maybe the media aloneJul 10 23:48
schestowitzWindows cannot take over as gnu/linuxJul 10 23:48
schestowitzbut it can hijack the brandJul 10 23:49
schestowitzif LF continues to let itJul 10 23:49
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: +64,302Jul 10 23:49
schestowitzbrand hijacking is a hugely severe escalation in tacticsJul 10 23:50
schestowitzyou literally abduct the others' productsJul 10 23:50
schestowitzwith copyleft it can be deadlyJul 10 23:50
schestowitzyou literally 'reown' the thingJul 10 23:50
schestowitzMAUIJul 10 23:50
schestowitzAppGetJul 10 23:50
schestowitzOfficeOpen [sic] XMLJul 10 23:50
schestowitzBut people will be watching LFJul 10 23:51
schestowitzand shouting at itJul 10 23:51
schestowitzZemlin is goneJul 10 23:51
schestowitzthey vanished him from press releaseJul 10 23:51
schestowitzLF knows he's too clueless and a PR liability now, so it hides him, sort of...Jul 10 23:51
schestowitzyou'll rarely see him mentioned in LF press releases anymoreJul 10 23:51
schestowitzor even giving keynote talksJul 10 23:52
psydreadI didn't know, but I haven't been paying much attention to the LF recentlyJul 10 23:53
psydreadI do know that in the event MS goes under, everything he's said will become an instant liabilityJul 10 23:53
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schestowitzwho? zemlin?Jul 10 23:54
schestowitzhe said they're like a puppyJul 10 23:54
schestowitzand 'bashing' them is kicking a puppyJul 10 23:54
schestowitzthen he took money from themJul 10 23:54
schestowitzand helped them take over githubJul 10 23:55
schestowitzthen outsourced almost everything new from LF to githubJul 10 23:55
schestowitzthey hired from microsoftJul 10 23:55
schestowitzthey basically decided, heck... microsoft is such a cute puppy, let's give if the driver's searJul 10 23:55
schestowitz*seatJul 10 23:55
schestowitz*itJul 10 23:55
psydreadI wonder which company is next in line to be given the cute puppy awardJul 10 23:57
MinceRdo they need another?Jul 10 23:58
MinceRmicroshit got most of what they wantedJul 10 23:58
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: With Mandy pouring honey all over everything I don't know how everybody in the Philippines isn't diabetic.Jul 10 23:59
schestowitzthere's a chance MSFT will hire ZemlinJul 10 23:59
DaemonFC[m]Their food is all sugar with a side of sugar on top of sugar.Jul 10 23:59
schestowitzbut the LF would suffer profoundly if that happenedJul 10 23:59

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