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oiaohmschestowitz__: WSL is a long lasting Microsoft project.  It is simple to forgot it starts with Project Astoria.Sep 10 00:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Windows 10 Mobile - WikipediaSep 10 00:04
oiaohmThen end up with the Azure/Windows server group for a while.Sep 10 00:04
oiaohmEven the light usage numbers I don't think that will be enough to make Microsoft give up.Sep 10 00:05
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oiaohmWSL and WSL2 is attempt to stop losing server market share to Linux.Sep 10 00:07
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Microsoft-Controlled ‘Linux’ Bricked Remotely, Without Users’ Authorisation []Sep 10 00:09
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: can you read and check? Sep 10 00:09
schestowitz__Microsoft-Controlled 'Linux' Bricked Remotely, Without Users' Authorisation 10 00:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft-Controlled ‘Linux’ Bricked Remotely, Without Users’ Authorisation | TechrightsSep 10 00:09
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: lots of covid19 deaths in usSep 10 00:12
schestowitz__it'll be about 1200 or moreSep 10 00:12
schestowitz__UK just 8Sep 10 00:13
schestowitz__the US is NOT. GETTING. THIS. UNDER. COntrol.Sep 10 00:13
schestowitz__at all!Sep 10 00:13
schestowitz__by xmas it can be 300k deathsSep 10 00:13
CrystalMathhmmSep 10 00:14
DaemonFC[m]It was low for the last few days.Sep 10 00:14
CrystalMathi almost made a bet months ago that there wont be 300kSep 10 00:14
CrystalMathby next februarySep 10 00:14
DaemonFC[m]IMHE says 317,000 by December 1st.Sep 10 00:15
DaemonFC[m]They usually guess low.Sep 10 00:15
CrystalMathbut how can that be, if the death rate is 0.1%Sep 10 00:15
schestowitz__if it picks up pace, DaemonFC[m], then yesSep 10 00:15
CrystalMatherr, 1%Sep 10 00:15
DaemonFC[m]It's not 0.1%.Sep 10 00:15
CrystalMathnot 0.1%Sep 10 00:15
DaemonFC[m]It's higher than 1%.Sep 10 00:15
CrystalMathhmm, that would break my concept of thisSep 10 00:15
DaemonFC[m]Probably at least 3 or 4 times higher.Sep 10 00:15
CrystalMathbut let's seeSep 10 00:16
CrystalMathperhaps the deaths will start tapering offSep 10 00:16
DaemonFC[m]They seem to for a while and then shoot back up.Sep 10 00:16
schestowitz__6,547,567 cases confirmed, 195,155 deadSep 10 00:16
schestowitz__so that's like one in 30Sep 10 00:16
schestowitz__not 1%Sep 10 00:16
CrystalMathwell my concept is that the actual number of casesSep 10 00:16
DaemonFC[m]It's cyclical. I won't trust anything but a sustained downward trend that lasts at least 3 months.Sep 10 00:16
CrystalMathis actually MUCH higherSep 10 00:16
CrystalMathbut it can't go over 300milSep 10 00:16
CrystalMaththat would mean every single person in the US was infectedSep 10 00:17
DaemonFC[m]It can if it infects people multiple times.Sep 10 00:17
schestowitz__which happensSep 10 00:17
DaemonFC[m]It's on record doing that.Sep 10 00:17
CrystalMathoh wait, no with 300k i was really going for 0.1%Sep 10 00:17
schestowitz__and if everyone had it, then the real death figures are also vastly higherSep 10 00:17
schestowitz__but without covid diagnosisSep 10 00:17
CrystalMathi was very sure that this is a harmless virus :PSep 10 00:17
schestowitz__e.g. people dying with it at home, thinking it's a bad fluSep 10 00:17
CrystalMathbut if it's 1%, it's never gonna exceed 3 millionSep 10 00:18
schestowitz__it is not 1%Sep 10 00:18
CrystalMathi think it isSep 10 00:18
DaemonFC[m]Trump trying to tap out on the Census because red states are not responding and the longer it goes on the better blue states will do.Sep 10 00:18
CrystalMathbest bet... the world is 7.7 billion, that means on a 1% it can't exceed 77 million deathsSep 10 00:18
schestowitz__wrong assumptionSep 10 00:19
schestowitz__you must consider hospitals' capacitySep 10 00:19
schestowitz__number of ventilators etc.Sep 10 00:19
schestowitz__at the moment we've throttled down this thingSep 10 00:19
CrystalMathyeah but i don't think it will even attempt to kill more than 1%Sep 10 00:19
CrystalMathfor 99% it may just be a harmless coldSep 10 00:19
schestowitz__not hamrlessSep 10 00:20
CrystalMaththat goes through without problemsSep 10 00:20
schestowitz__long-term consequencesSep 10 00:20
CrystalMathin people who are okay?Sep 10 00:20
CrystalMaththe stuff spread around about asymptomatic people getting lung fibrosis is bogus and not in any scientific articleSep 10 00:20
schestowitz__no, it impacts the nerve system, heart, sometimes lungs if your body takes it hard and had scarring from bad coughs and immunisation/reactionSep 10 00:20
schestowitz__but never mind that...Sep 10 00:20
CrystalMathnobody got seriously ill from this without also having serious symptomsSep 10 00:21
CrystalMathin some people it's just a coldSep 10 00:21
CrystalMathin some people it's deadlySep 10 00:21
CrystalMathand the question is, how many there are of these and how many there are of thoseSep 10 00:21
CrystalMathit'd also be good if we knew by what criteriaSep 10 00:22
CrystalMathother coronaviruses do the exact same thing, btwSep 10 00:22
CrystalMathtake a look at SetracovirusSep 10 00:22
CrystalMathit's an alphacoronavirusSep 10 00:22
CrystalMathit kills 0.5%, in some people it's nothing, but some people get the exact same COVID-19-like disease pattern and deathSep 10 00:23
CrystalMathpneumonia, then noticable hypercatechinemia, then multiple organ failureSep 10 00:24
schestowitz__it killed over 40k in the UKSep 10 00:24
schestowitz__stop spreading bogus figuresSep 10 00:24
CrystalMathi'm talking about SetracovirusSep 10 00:24
CrystalMathare you?Sep 10 00:24
schestowitz__if it weren'r for lockdown, it would still kill a thousand a daySep 10 00:24
CrystalMathSetracovirus != SarbecovirusSep 10 00:24
CrystalMaththey're different virusesSep 10 00:24
CrystalMathi'm using Setracovirus as an example that is meant to prove that coronaviruses can be harmless to some and deadly to othersSep 10 00:25
CrystalMathviruses like SARS-CoV-1 are deadly to a lotSep 10 00:25
CrystalMathbut they can still be harmlessSep 10 00:25
CrystalMathif some yet unknown parameters are just rightSep 10 00:25
schestowitz__SARs (1) was stoppedSep 10 00:25
schestowitz__if it weren't, we'd be panickingSep 10 00:25
schestowitz__you are missing the pointSep 10 00:25
schestowitz__containing it is still importantSep 10 00:26
schestowitz__asia learned its lessons from SARsSep 10 00:26
schestowitz__which is why not many people die from covid19 there...Sep 10 00:26
schestowitz__anyway, I'm done hereSep 10 00:27
schestowitz__it's pointless to debate thisSep 10 00:27
schestowitz__good luck catching covid, lick some rail somewhere and brag about how it's "just a cold"Sep 10 00:27
CrystalMathyeah but SARS-CoV-1 was deadly to a lotSep 10 00:27
CrystalMathSARS-CoV-2 may only be deadly to a few peopleSep 10 00:27
MinceRit seems to be able to reinfect people pretty easilySep 10 00:29
MinceRand spreads wellSep 10 00:29
MinceRso it will just try over and over until you're deadSep 10 00:29
CrystalMathyeah but how many have died on a reinfection?Sep 10 00:29
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Sep 10 00:29
CrystalMathi suspect (conjecture) that the factors that lead to death with this virus are genetic in originSep 10 00:29
MinceRwell yeah, viruses are little more than genetic information :>Sep 10 00:30
CrystalMathno i meanSep 10 00:30
CrystalMathin the human DNA of some peopleSep 10 00:30
CrystalMaththere is a gene that causes them to die of covid due to an overaggressive immune responseSep 10 00:30
CrystalMathfor this to be true, it has to be that if they get a mild case once, they must always get a mild caseSep 10 00:30
MinceRold people seem to have it worseSep 10 00:31
MinceRand that's not a change of human genesSep 10 00:31
CrystalMathbut even 101yos have survived itSep 10 00:31
MinceRso maybe you'll get it over and over until you're 65 and it kills youSep 10 00:31
CrystalMathmeh, i don't want to live past 30Sep 10 00:31
CrystalMathlet alone 65Sep 10 00:31
CrystalMathi'm already at age 27, 3 more years till lastday..Sep 10 00:32
MinceRmaybe that will be taken care of anywaySep 10 00:32
CrystalMath(lastday is a reference to the movie Logan's Run where people are executed at age 30)Sep 10 00:32
MinceR:)Sep 10 00:32
CrystalMathhmm, maybe the society in logan's run is like that because they got covid in 2020 and no vaccine worked :PSep 10 00:33
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MinceRseems to me humans don't need outside help to go crazier and crazier and fuck up their own society more and moreSep 10 00:33
DaemonFC[m]<CrystalMath "hmm, maybe the society in logan'"> So they don't let anyone live past 30 because they never figured out COVID-19?Sep 10 00:35
DaemonFC[m]It never did say what the disaster was that forced them all into that shielded colony, did it?Sep 10 00:36
CrystalMathi don't think soSep 10 00:36
CrystalMathmaybe at the beginning it did?Sep 10 00:36
DaemonFC[m]It wouldn't make sense. Either the virus made it in or it didn't. Sep 10 00:36
DaemonFC[m]Let's say it wasn't COVID-19, but COVID-19 mutates into something extremely deadly.Sep 10 00:37
CrystalMathyeahSep 10 00:37
CrystalMathi was mostly jokingSep 10 00:37
CrystalMathLogan's Run is not likely because of a virusSep 10 00:37
DaemonFC[m]The Ark was designed to let a certain number of "lottery" winners survive and they kept it out by screening and a quarantine before letting anyone in the colony.Sep 10 00:37
schestowitz__mutations that spread faster are more "successful"Sep 10 00:37
MinceR"They mostly come at night... Mostly."Sep 10 00:37
schestowitz__the more of them you have, the more prevalent they becomeSep 10 00:37
CrystalMathprobably MinceR's version is correct, to prevent overpopulation they kill people at 30Sep 10 00:38
DaemonFC[m]But let's say the virus eventually killed off the people outside.Sep 10 00:38
schestowitz__and they're good at spreading when they destroy the body of but don't kill the 'host'Sep 10 00:38
DaemonFC[m]It would eventually be safe to come out again, and so why didn't they?Sep 10 00:38
schestowitz__(they get incinerated)Sep 10 00:38
schestowitz__"cremated"Sep 10 00:38
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: they forgot why it was unsafeSep 10 00:38
CrystalMathDaemonFC[m]: well i think the title sequence mentions overpopulation is the reasonSep 10 00:39
DaemonFC[m]Unlikely. They had computers.Sep 10 00:39
CrystalMathas far as i rememberSep 10 00:39
DaemonFC[m]It would seem odd that they'd just forget why they all went in there in the first place.Sep 10 00:39
DaemonFC[m]One giant quarantine so that they'd be safe from the world outside for a while.Sep 10 00:39
DaemonFC[m]It would make sense that the computer would let them out eventually. Sep 10 00:40
MinceRunless it was programmed by humansSep 10 00:40
MinceRand hit a bugSep 10 00:40
MinceRor severalSep 10 00:40
DaemonFC[m]A small human population in a bubble colony is not going to last forever. Sep 10 00:40
MinceRhuman population is unlikely to last forever anywaySep 10 00:40
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It seems like a small human population full of the smartest people we have and all of our best technology while the rest of the world dies off would be our best chance.Sep 10 00:42
MinceRindeedSep 10 00:42
DaemonFC[m]They come out, all of these dumb rednecks that are driving V8 diesel trucks and voting for Trump are gone.Sep 10 00:43
MinceRbut that will be difficult to set up in the New Dark AgesSep 10 00:43
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DaemonFC[m]It seems like we have all of this technology and nobody really knows how it works anymore.Sep 10 00:43
DaemonFC[m]That plot has been in Star Trek a few times.Sep 10 00:43
DaemonFC[m]Patents supposedly describe something in a way that you have to release how it works, but then you get a government sanctioned monopoly on it for a while.Sep 10 00:44
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kingoffranceyes, there seems to be some cycle of:  develop tech   -> makes it easier to develop more tech -> old tech is not sexy -> noone knows how anything worksSep 10 00:45
DaemonFC[m]But I've read some patents, even on things like MP3, and it's not at all clear from the language how you'd implement it, although they did take people to court with them.Sep 10 00:45
DaemonFC[m]Even the people making the hardware are packing it full of rookie mistakes.Sep 10 00:45
DaemonFC[m]It's as bad as it's ever been.Sep 10 00:46
kingoffrance^^^Sep 10 00:46
schestowitz__IV in the news againSep 10 00:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | $2,000 for Intellectual Ventures '736 Prior Art — Unified PatentsSep 10 00:48
kingoffrancei would even say this is another reason code cant just be math.  if you dont have some idea why some designed something a certain way, whatever "influences" at work, you cant fully grok somethingSep 10 00:48
schestowitz__zoobab: ^Sep 10 00:48
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kingoffranceand thus are likely to make rookie mistakes in reimplementing or extending it or trying to make something similarSep 10 00:49
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kingoffranceOTOH if what you are studying the designers did have "code is just math" mentality that is useful knowledge too to fully understand why they did things a certain way (or not)Sep 10 00:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Covid-19 death rate among African Americans and Latinos rising sharply | World news | The GuardianSep 10 00:53
DaemonFC[m]Walking around with no masks on, or pulled under their noses.Sep 10 00:53
kingoffrancethis actually sort of came up a link in here the other day about libreofficeSep 10 00:58
kingoffranceabout a million line codebase...and arguing whether or not that means the "really good" devs left to code something more profitableSep 10 00:59
kingoffranceleaving...ppl who couldnt possibly know how it worksSep 10 00:59
kingoffrancein their defenes,e i think that was kind of what ppl said with starofficeSep 10 00:59
kingoffranceso perhaps its always been like that (i am assuming it is still the same "lineage" however far down now)Sep 10 01:00
kingoffranceim not picking on themSep 10 01:00
kingoffrancebut that was the attitude of the "really good coder at intel" Sep 10 01:00
kingoffrancepoint being, ppl with knowledge who build things are supposed to leaveSep 10 01:00
kingoffranceand maintenance is not sexySep 10 01:00
kingoffranceso you are left with ppl who didnt build the thing, trying to figure out how it works, or is supposed to workSep 10 01:01
kingoffrancebecause the creators took offSep 10 01:01
kingoffrancecuz thats what really good devs do -- dont maintain anythingSep 10 01:01
MinceRi wonder how good a dev really is if they won't maintain anything :>Sep 10 01:01
kingoffrancewell perhaps that is not all bad -- just IMO that is very much the attitude some placesSep 10 01:02
kingoffranceother places they call them prima donna rock stars and say they ruin projectsSep 10 01:02
kingoffranceim trying to avoid taking sides here -- just that IMO can be one reason noone knows how anything worksSep 10 01:04
MinceRcould beSep 10 01:04
kingoffrancei do think its kinda superficial though; million line code base coudl be totally readable; how many lines per "module" ?  Sep 10 01:09
kingoffranceLOCs i think are generally uselessSep 10 01:09
kingoffrancewell i do think its kind of bs because the unstated assumption is "really good devs" are already hired somewhere making big buck$ ...maybe, maybe not, but i wouldnt ever make that assumption i guessSep 10 01:18
kingoffrancebut that is kind of how some business ppl see things...Sep 10 01:18
kingoffrancethere are ppl, who will tell you with a straight face, if you're so smart why arent you rich?Sep 10 01:21
kingoffranceso i think that indirectly very much feeds into noone knows how anything works: thats not their prioritySep 10 01:21
kingoffrancethey arent against preserving such "knowledge" necessarily, but thats not the #1 goal for many thingsSep 10 01:22
DaemonFC[m]kingoffrance: I've been disputing all of the closed credit card accounts on my credit report. Sep 10 01:28
DaemonFC[m]See if I can make the bankruptcy look less bad than it was.Sep 10 01:28
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kingoffrancenot ignoring you, i dont know how to respond DaemonFC[m] Sep 10 01:39
kingoffranceyou know more than i do surelySep 10 01:39
DaemonFC[m]It seems like some are handled by a computer that just closes them and the rest are sent off to be verified.Sep 10 01:47
DaemonFC[m]I doubt the banks have the time and trouble to respond to accounts that they never get to collect on anyway.Sep 10 01:48
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DaemonFC[m]"Stanford concluded: “To hear that African Americans represent 12 to 13% of the population but 23 to 24% of the deaths is unacceptable in a developed nation.”"Sep 10 01:52
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but if they're not even going to use masks and hand sanitizer.....Sep 10 01:52
DaemonFC[m]I'd bet that the reason white people aren't getting it at these levels is because they're taking it seriously in the first place.Sep 10 01:52
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schestowitz__[01:52] <DaemonFC[m]> Yeah, but if they're not even going to use masks and hand sanitizer.....Sep 10 02:41
schestowitz__You overlook a key aspectSep 10 02:41
schestowitz__1) they are poorerSep 10 02:41
schestowitz__2) they live in denser (population-wise) conditionsSep 10 02:41
schestowitz__so you're basically blaming them for their poverty and not having enough spaceSep 10 02:42
schestowitz__which is inherently racist, victim-blaming-esqueSep 10 02:42
schestowitz__[01:52] <DaemonFC[m]> "Stanford concluded: “To hear that African Americans represent 12 to 13% of the population but 23 to 24% of the deaths is unacceptable in a developed nation.”"Sep 10 02:42
schestowitz__how a nation treats people, ethnic segregationSep 10 02:43
schestowitz__which is the key issue, inter alia re police brutalitySep 10 02:43
schestowitz__you still live in a very racist atmosphere, which was mostly overcome in other nationsSep 10 02:43
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__ So the guy downstairs who doesn't wear a mask when he's talking to people bought himself a $300 deone at Walmart.Sep 10 02:47
DaemonFC[m]*droneSep 10 02:48
DaemonFC[m]I bought a gallon of 80 percent alcohol hand sanitizer down at the home depot for $20.Sep 10 02:50
DaemonFC[m]And 14 cotton face masks for $14.Sep 10 02:50
DaemonFC[m]The Chinese buffet has hand sanitizer on each side of every buffet bar.Sep 10 02:51
DaemonFC[m]I use it before going to the buffet and then I set the plate down and use a bunch before I go back to the table.Sep 10 02:52
DaemonFC[m]You just have to be careful what you touch before you use the hand sanitizer. Be mindful.Sep 10 02:52
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Collaboratively Annotate large-scale DeepZoom images with MicroDraw []Sep 10 02:53
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Some More of the Latest PCLinuxOS Package Updates []Sep 10 03:02
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: FLOSS Weekly, Unfettered Freedom, Destination Linux, VimWiki Diary, More []Sep 10 04:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Open Hardware and Devices With GNU/Linux []Sep 10 04:20
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: Addons and Rust []Sep 10 04:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Legally Hide Your Money From the Government | MyBankTrackerSep 10 04:36
DaemonFC[m]I would hesitate to recommend foreign bank accounts to avoid taxes.Sep 10 04:36
DaemonFC[m]They aren't what they once were. With FATCA, the US government will probably figure it out eventually if it's a lot of money.Sep 10 04:37
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DaemonFC[m]"We’re not recommending anything unsavory here, but you know, there’s probably good reason that people who think the federal government is illegal tend to like gold."Sep 10 04:40
DaemonFC[m]It's hard to inflate gold. In fact, with fiat money increasing in supply faster than the economy grows, it leads to higher gold values.Sep 10 04:41
DaemonFC[m]Not just by you sell it and get more inflated dollars, but because there's only so much gold and it can only be mined so fast.Sep 10 04:42
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__ Some of the chain restaurants are slipping cash back deals to my debit card lately.Sep 10 04:45
schestowitz__Just aired minutes ago: 33:42 onwards covers techrights stuff - I think it's worth cropping that out for us to republish (locally-hosted)Sep 10 04:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unfettered Freedom, Ep. 6 - Edge Isn't FOSS, Ubuntu Alternative, Patent Trolls, Clem, FSF Awards - YouTubeSep 10 04:48
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: Rust, Obsolescence, Zhaoxin, NVMe Over TCP and Zink []Sep 10 04:59
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Linux Link Tech Show Episode 874 published a few moments ago #tllts #gnu #linux []Sep 10 05:04
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schestowitz__" I learned to appreciate awk parsing logs at my current gig. You can see where Perl got a lot of its influence from awk"Sep 10 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | swagg boi: " I learned to appreciate…" - Interlinked MST3KSep 10 05:08
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__ I guess if Immigration just wants to waste time, oh well.Sep 10 06:35
DaemonFC[m]No skin off my ass. Just have to renew Mandy's work permit every year.Sep 10 06:36
DaemonFC[m]They sent back the filing fee saying it's free if it's a renewal because they're dragging it out forever.Sep 10 06:36
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DaemonFC[m]Right now they're saying there's a 4 year backlog of cases in Chicago, meaning we might actually be waiting for another 3 years just to have our interview.Sep 10 06:37
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__ Did you see that Duterte pardoned a US Marine convicted of murdering a transsexual?Sep 10 06:38
DaemonFC[m]Then he took the news channel that wouldn't cover his inauguration off the air.Sep 10 06:38
DaemonFC[m]No wonder Trump admires him.Sep 10 06:38
DaemonFC[m]God damn. With everything wrong with this country at least we have some institutions left that Trump hasn't managed to ruin for his own personal vendettas.Sep 10 06:39
DaemonFC[m]I don't know for how much longer. Hopefully we have a good shot at getting rid of him before things are completely fucked.Sep 10 06:40
DaemonFC[m]There's a new immigration form that basically makes you prove you're rich to adjust status now.Sep 10 06:43
DaemonFC[m]Trump let in a porn baron and he raped a 16 year old, tried to file bankruptcy due to numerous lawsuits from women that were tricked and raped by his company, and then fled to New Zealand to beat the arrest warrant.Sep 10 06:43
DaemonFC[m]But hey, hey had money. That's the important part.Sep 10 06:43
DaemonFC[m]While Trump is saying you need to be rich, they let rich people right in who start committing heinous crimes against Americans. Against children.Sep 10 06:53
DaemonFC[m]Trump hasn't even formally requested an extradition for Michael Pratt.Sep 10 06:54
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__ The US will never have Coronavirus under control. Trump used the Federal government to sabotage state responses and hold back money from them to pressue them into reopening as an election stunt and he got hundreds of thousands of Americans killed.Sep 10 06:57
DaemonFC[m]There's really only so much that a state like Illinois can do when Trump is trying to make the pandemic worse.Sep 10 06:57
DaemonFC[m]The worse it gets, the easier it is for him to keep issuing orders instead of following the law. So more and more like Duterte.Sep 10 06:58
DaemonFC[m]The Philippines has never been a country with laws, but they're going away fast here under Trump.Sep 10 06:59
DaemonFC[m]The US harbored Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos when the Philippines drove them out after they tried stealing an election. They lived in Hawaii for years.Sep 10 07:02
schestowitz__Ariadne: viera crashed?Sep 10 07:02
Ariadnei blew upSep 10 07:02
Ariadnethe entire networkSep 10 07:02
Ariadnebecause i forgot to type "commit confirm"Sep 10 07:02
Ariadneinstead of just "commit"Sep 10 07:02
Ariadne:DSep 10 07:02
*Ariadne <--- great sysadminSep 10 07:02
schestowitz__you are, stillSep 10 07:03
Ariadneanyway someone is enrouteSep 10 07:08
Ariadneto uhhSep 10 07:08
Ariadneunfuck what i didSep 10 07:08
Ariadne:PSep 10 07:08
schestowitz__Remember I forgot to use sudoers editorSep 10 07:12
schestowitz__and instead used normal editorSep 10 07:12
schestowitz__and there was a pasting editSep 10 07:12
schestowitz__locking myself out of hv Sep 10 07:12
schestowitz__that was around EasterSep 10 07:12
schestowitz__I can still use hv, in the access sense, but thankfully I didn't need to enter the containers or restart either of the VMsSep 10 07:13
schestowitz__the editors I made to the sudoers find would allow XYZ (I think you know his name, it's in /home) to also enter the DB containerSep 10 07:13
schestowitz__ /s/editors/edits/Sep 10 07:13
schestowitz__[06:38] <DaemonFC[m]> Then he took the news channel that wouldn't cover his inauguration off the air.Sep 10 07:31
schestowitz__he did even worse thingsSep 10 07:31
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Sep 10 07:31
schestowitz__why I'm cynical about ever living thereSep 10 07:32
DaemonFC[m]Stolen elections and public corruption have been going on there for decades.Sep 10 07:32
schestowitz__Ariadne lived there for a yearSep 10 07:32
DaemonFC[m]It's pretty bad when your country is so fucked up you have to pray for your leader to have a stroke or something because you'll never get a fair election again.Sep 10 07:33
DaemonFC[m]The US is close.Sep 10 07:33
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: My mom is something else.Sep 10 07:35
DaemonFC[m]She either makes stuff up to get attention or she really is so insane she thought there were demons harassing her in two of the houses she lived in.Sep 10 07:36
DaemonFC[m]The only thing I got from my parents were bipolar disorder and ingrowing toenails.Sep 10 07:37
DaemonFC[m]Mom spent her life savings twice over on houses she lost to her ex husband, went bankrupt, still owes the IRS money.Sep 10 07:38
DaemonFC[m]That whole side of the family could literally....they're the people you hear about who win a billion in the lottery somehow and are broke in 5 years.Sep 10 07:38
DaemonFC[m]My cousins (identical twins) are getting ready to file their third bankruptcies. Each one of them makes 3 times as much money as I do and got $460,000 in life insurance, each, in 2014.Sep 10 07:40
DaemonFC[m]They're stupid. Like, what could you legitimately spend that much money on in 6 years to be bankrupt? $460,000 and you made almost $70,000 per year * 6. Sep 10 07:41
DaemonFC[m]That's $880,000 in 6 years, and bankrupt.Sep 10 07:41
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I used bankruptcy more strategically. I made it to 36 and used it to get myself out of debt incurred due to that despicable court proceeding last year, living expenses while the government wouldn't allow my spouse to work, and all the financial obligations I racked up with John. Sep 10 07:43
DaemonFC[m]I feel like, you know, a lot of that was lack of good judgment for all of a few minutes. But everyone else just keeps tripping over themselves and finding money everywhere, blowing it, and pleading poverty.Sep 10 07:44
DaemonFC[m]Like, how many gadgets and trips to Starbucks do you need?Sep 10 07:44
DaemonFC[m]The shitheads out there are what provided the excuse for the BAPCPA, but everyone with legitimate problems now gets to suffer under it.Sep 10 07:45
DaemonFC[m]I think it should focus less on income and more on what the debt actually is.Sep 10 07:46
DaemonFC[m]You know, if you throw in a credit card and the trustee sees 900 trips to Starbucks, then it should be presumed abuse and survive.Sep 10 07:46
DaemonFC[m]But if you're paying rent and buying food because you lost your job? Don't kick a guy while he's down.Sep 10 07:47
DaemonFC[m]What they have now is a system that went after abusive filers with a shotgun and half the pellets hit people who are in there through little/no fault of their own.Sep 10 07:48
DaemonFC[m]I don't really think worse of my ex for filing bankruptcy on part of the bill for having his parents cremated.Sep 10 07:49
DaemonFC[m]I looked at what  those "basic cremation packages" cost. They don't want you getting out of there for less than $1,600.Sep 10 07:49
DaemonFC[m]That is, they put the corpse in a box, send it into a furnace, and give you the ashes in a cardboard container.Sep 10 07:50
DaemonFC[m]So they're probably billing at least 14 times what it cost them to go drive a body "up to 8 miles" and burn it.Sep 10 07:50
DaemonFC[m]I think Adam Ruins Everything did a whole episode on funeral homes.Sep 10 07:51
DaemonFC[m]They got my cousins for over $20,000 on their mom, and that didn't even include the burial plot.Sep 10 07:52
DaemonFC[m]I already let everyone know to stick me in a box and cremate me. Cheapest they can get. I'm sure they'll listen because they don't like me anyway.Sep 10 07:53
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure someone will go if lunch is provided. Sep 10 07:54
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Having a large bank account balance is a bad idea in general.Sep 10 07:59
DaemonFC[m]Even in "normal" times.Sep 10 07:59
DaemonFC[m]The lawsuit people know they'll never collect if you hardly keep anything  in the bank except for your immediate expenses.Sep 10 08:00
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: There's risks to your money no matter where you keep it. The safety of the bank is an illusion.Sep 10 08:03
DaemonFC[m]The government can freeze your account. The IRS can reach in and take whatever it wants. If someone sues you, they can levy it for whatever your state doesn't exempt.Sep 10 08:04
DaemonFC[m]If you take it out in cash, someone could burn the building down or break in and steal it.Sep 10 08:04
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DaemonFC[m]Some guy in Australia was hiding like $50,000 in an oven that they never used and his wife comes along and hooks it up and turns it on and burns it all up.Sep 10 08:05
schestowitz__I heard similar storiesSep 10 08:56
schestowitz__but about a fridgeSep 10 08:56
schestowitz__some people hide money there when they go on holidaySep 10 08:56
schestowitz__the neighbour helped them get rid of the smell by throwing away the rotting food after the power went outSep 10 08:57
schestowitz__they threw it away along with lots of moneySep 10 08:57
schestowitz__cautionary tale about where to keep money hiddenSep 10 08:57
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schestowitz__Ariadne: any rough eta? if it takes hours, I'll post online regardless, then paste in the diffsSep 10 09:09
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schestowitz__aha, cheersSep 10 09:10
schestowitz__Wonder what xmas will be like this year (with COVID and all). Last year: 10 09:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Manchester in Christmas 2019Sep 10 09:11
schestowitz__After an #MIT - #Epstein scandal implicating #BillGates #RichardStallman came under many attacks, causing him to forcibly âresignâ; the above video remarks on what happened 10 09:11
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Ariadnewell, i just witnessed freenode finalize their coup de etat on charybdisSep 10 09:49
Ariadnepretty amazing stuffSep 10 09:49
schestowitz__is there an article with background to this?Sep 10 10:02
schestowitz__I realised that as nenold you got tons of defamation on irc and online from some eager and determined trollSep 10 10:03
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MinceR"Linux support", as in WSL2?Sep 10 10:58
schestowitz__support... life supportSep 10 11:02
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Nearly 400 new deaths reported in Florida today.Sep 10 19:29
DaemonFC[m]Was 202 yesterday.Sep 10 19:29
DaemonFC[m]I don't know if this is recent or because they finally started to use the CDC definition of what a COVID death was instead of the fake news numbers that the Republicans figured would make them look less incompetent. Sep 10 19:30
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, we all knew this was coming. You can kill the truth, but it always comes back to haunt you.Sep 10 19:30
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: don't worry, Racist Mobster will stick a cork in FLSep 10 19:30
schestowitz__to keep it from "fake news"Sep 10 19:30
DaemonFC[m]Like Trump admitting on tape (didn't know he was recorded) saying he knew it was serious but "always wanted to play it down so that people won't panic".Sep 10 19:31
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: when people die they die [...]Sep 10 19:31
DaemonFC[m]Admitting he was briefed that it was "5x deadlier than seasonal flu".Sep 10 19:31
schestowitz__there are death certsSep 10 19:31
schestowitz__those contain cause of deathsSep 10 19:31
schestowitz__some countries brushed deaths under the rugSep 10 19:31
schestowitz__even chinaSep 10 19:31
schestowitz__then overnight BAM 1000 more "unaccounted" deathsSep 10 19:31
DaemonFC[m]Oh, Trump's an even bigger liar than the Chinese Communist Party. The only reason he can't quite cover this up is because we have states.Sep 10 19:33
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schestowitz__+378 deaths in Florida today, COVID-connectedSep 10 19:33
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, and now the other shoe drops.Sep 10 19:33
DaemonFC[m]SURPRISE!Sep 10 19:33
DaemonFC[m]So that's 600 deaths reported in two days from Florida alone.Sep 10 19:34
MogzagainHi guys :-) Only got about 10 mins, so sorry for rushing in like this, but may I just ask about something ... I'm a bit surprised seeing Distrotube promoted, as he was the one whipping up ppl on youtube to go against rms and linux last year. Sep 10 19:34
Mogzagain*linusSep 10 19:34
Mogzagainhe did a main video, against them bothSep 10 19:34
Mogzagainjust trying to find the link; bit difficult with invidious at the moSep 10 19:35
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: What's obviously going on here is that the county level health departments are going back and doing reports based on the CDC methodology, and we have no idea how many more are yet to report.Sep 10 19:35
Mogzagain 10 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Are Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds Good for Linux? - InvidiousSep 10 19:35
DaemonFC[m]So it's going to be like that couple of days in Texas where they said "Oh by the way, here's 3,000 more we didn't count before.".Sep 10 19:35
schestowitz__hi MogzagainSep 10 19:36
MogzagainHi Roy :-)Sep 10 19:36
schestowitz__I think I remember something to that effectSep 10 19:36
Mogzagainas I understood from the time around last year's video by him, he was an FSF member/active on the forum, tooSep 10 19:36
schestowitz__people can change their views over the course of a yearSep 10 19:36
schestowitz__Like Chris TitusSep 10 19:36
schestowitz__he found GNU/Linux about a year agoSep 10 19:37
Mogzagainyes, but no apology or attempting to get RMS backSep 10 19:37
schestowitz__then started shilling it instead of Windows/MicrosoftSep 10 19:37
schestowitz__Derek is not predictableSep 10 19:37
schestowitz__he reminds me of ESR, maybe because of the looks and accentSep 10 19:37
DaemonFC[m]I'm certain that even though there is concrete proof that Trump knew how bad this was and lied, my parents would either deny reality or find some excuse for him, like they usually do. It's pathetic, really.Sep 10 19:37
Mogzagainderek wasn't watched (by me), since that video, lolSep 10 19:37
MogzagainI don't think CTT minds proprietary stuff too muchSep 10 19:38
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: maybe that's the "October sSurprise"Sep 10 19:38
schestowitz__Sometimes previously untold regarding COVIDSep 10 19:38
schestowitz__and sending him scrablingSep 10 19:38
schestowitz__something he had said about itSep 10 19:39
DaemonFC[m]It's like Maricel saying Duterte (extrajudicial killings and sending soldiers to shut down the news) is the best president the Philippines has ever had. That's how my parents are with Trump.Sep 10 19:39
schestowitz__or how he lied or threatened health officialsSep 10 19:39
Mogzagainjust a bit weird seeing him promoted, as he was certainly part of the anti-RMS cancellation last yearSep 10 19:39
schestowitz__the campaign typically save those things to the last week to cause outrageSep 10 19:39
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: they're idiotsSep 10 19:39
schestowitz__there's a word for themSep 10 19:40
schestowitz__dutertardsSep 10 19:40
MogzagainI'd even messaged him on Mastadon to say to lay off RMS and why, but no responseSep 10 19:40
schestowitz__maybe he walked back on itSep 10 19:40
schestowitz__he started videos where he does an RMSSep 10 19:40
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Those recordings are going to be great. Biden can just run the thing with Trump saying "I knew it was bad and I always wanted to play it down to avoid panic!" over and over again all next month in every swing state against a backdrop of Americans dying on a graph.Sep 10 19:40
schestowitz__ 10 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | DistroTube Does a Richard Stallman | TechrightsSep 10 19:41
schestowitz__like I said, he's not predictable or even consistentSep 10 19:41
schestowitz__It's like LundukeSep 10 19:41
schestowitz__one day he ATTACKS RMS, the next day he worships him, then the opposite againSep 10 19:41
schestowitz__whatever gets him viewsSep 10 19:41
Mogzagainjust wish he'd put effort in to rally people to RMS, rather than just talkSep 10 19:42
schestowitz__I only subscribed to him a couple of months backSep 10 19:42
schestowitz__so I really don't know his full historySep 10 19:42
Mogzagainyes, I've stopped watching them all. more needs to be done, and people going from one side to the other isn't where any real action is atSep 10 19:42
DaemonFC[m]Playing it down is exactly why Trump's supporters usually don't wear masks and are attacking retail workers who won't let them into Walmart or who ask them to get out of a restaurant. They have to pretend to be all tough and shit and then scream "DEMOCRATIC PIGS!" while the cops are hauling them out by the ankles. God what a bunch of fucking losers.Sep 10 19:42
schestowitz__but he's nice to me and covers things we cover as wellSep 10 19:42
schestowitz__we'll never agree on >everything<Sep 10 19:43
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DaemonFC[m]Maybe their parents didn't give them the switch enough when they were kids? Who knows? See! I borrowed that from them. Explains everything. Their parents didn't beat them enough and look how they turned out. Trump voters.Sep 10 19:44
MogzagainI stopped watching him a year ago, after what happened to RMS, and many youtubers were doing videos such as his, anti-RMS, with a few objecting, but anyway, people can choose to watch what they like, of course!Sep 10 19:44
MogzagainAnyways, just a short visit. Sorry to rush off. Have a great rest of the day. Sep 10 19:44
Mogzagainie youtubers following his video, by doing their own, I meantSep 10 19:44
Mogzagainreally going now, lolSep 10 19:44
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DaemonFC[m]You know who we wouldn't miss if the cops just went in there and immediately shot them like they do other people? Trump voters screaming about their "CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT NOT TO WEAR MASKS!!!! COMMUNIST MASSSSSSKKKKKKS!!!"Sep 10 19:45
DaemonFC[m]Maybe we can get Republicans to wear their masks if we tell them that KKK hoods count.Sep 10 19:46
DaemonFC[m]My dad, the Grand Imperial Dragon of Rush Limbaugh land, would love it.Sep 10 19:47
schestowitz__ewwwSep 10 19:49
schestowitz__well, rush is rushed to the graveSep 10 19:49
schestowitz__where he belonged much soonerSep 10 19:50
DaemonFC[m]I avoided it in a city where 60% have had it.Sep 10 19:50
schestowitz__so much damage done, like falwell and other evangelicalsSep 10 19:50
schestowitz__blaming gays for 9/11Sep 10 19:50
DaemonFC[m]It's the rest of Lake County that the state is concerned with because that's where the rich people are.Sep 10 19:50
schestowitz__yeah, because KSA is full of gay terrorists... or somethingSep 10 19:50
schestowitz__(I know it wasn't falwell)Sep 10 19:51
DaemonFC[m]The Republican plan for COVID is to send teenagers to college where they can all get it and then pay $10,000 to be quarantined for an entire semester and occasionally someone will remember to bring them food, maybe. Sep 10 19:51
schestowitz__oh waitSep 10 19:51
schestowitz__he did tooSep 10 19:51
schestowitz__not just Pat RobertsonSep 10 19:51
schestowitz__both asserted thatSep 10 19:51
schestowitz__ 10 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Falwell: blame abortionists, feminists and gays | World news | The GuardianSep 10 19:52
schestowitz__9/11 tomorrowSep 10 19:52
DaemonFC[m]How many poolboys did Falwell watch screw his wife while he was saying that?Sep 10 19:52
DaemonFC[m]Oh, 9/11.Sep 10 19:52
DaemonFC[m]When the dad was still alive.Sep 10 19:52
DaemonFC[m]Before he died in his breakfast cereal.Sep 10 19:53
schestowitz__that's the son falwellSep 10 19:53
schestowitz__the scammy universitySep 10 19:53
DaemonFC[m]That's how I like to imagine it anyway. I read the news that day 20 years ago (ish) and it said that they found him face down on his desk.Sep 10 19:53
schestowitz__iirc, he even misused the money for a helicopterSep 10 19:54
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: "they found him face down on his desk."Sep 10 19:54
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, there's nothing legitimate about mgachurch pastors. They live in a mansion and fly on private jets and openly mock their "congregation" (emphasis on the con), for enabling it. Then they say "Send this prayer cloth back and we'll pray for you, oh, with money please!". Some people who worked on that for Benny Hinn said they'd tear the envelope open and shake the money out and the rest went in the trash.Sep 10 19:55
schestowitz__ 10 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Classic: Christopher Hitchens on The Death Of Jerry Falwell - YouTubeSep 10 19:55
DaemonFC[m]Someone else said God would know they needed something. It's horrid. Horrible what these people do.Sep 10 19:55
schestowitz__"Found on the floor of his office"Sep 10 19:56
schestowitz__if they gave him an enema, they could bury him in a matchboxSep 10 19:56
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes something unlikely happens and people have to assign a divine interpretation to it. My family took my grandfather to see Benny Hinn and they say it cured his cancer. He died 4 years later, of cancer. Sep 10 19:57
DaemonFC[m]They still say it's a miracle and there's no other possible explanation for why he went into remission.Sep 10 19:57
DaemonFC[m]If you put anything on a long enough timetable, the odds of something happening by off chance treble until something bizarre and improbable does happen.Sep 10 19:58
DaemonFC[m]If you go backtesting anyone's life who has managed to live and not end up homeless or in prison or laid off and found in the garage with the car running, there's hundreds of opportunities for it to have all gone horribly wrong and potentially with a 1-2% chance at each turn, and just none of it did.Sep 10 19:59
schestowitz__ 10 20:00
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schestowitz__"Armijn Hemel: "there are no ties being forged in the political arena (apart from fringe parties like the Pirate Party or the Green Party, which contributes to being ignored by others), and core goals seem to be forgotten""Sep 10 20:00
DaemonFC[m]However, if you want to assign this to "God", then the far-right's treatment of the homeless makes more sense.Sep 10 20:00
DaemonFC[m]Put spikes out for them. They obviously did something to piss God off and who wants them near you?".Sep 10 20:00
schestowitz__ 10 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DJFerrari8: Something that would kids faster than WuFlu: @TheDemocrats PEDOPHILIA @realDonaldTrump AG @attorneygeneral: 10 20:00
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schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: Jesus would have put anti-homeless spikesSep 10 20:02
schestowitz__with fish on themSep 10 20:02
DaemonFC[m]A man made homeless by Trump's immigration policies was hit and killed the other day in Waukegan. His family is collecting donations to try to send the body back to Mexico.Sep 10 20:03
DaemonFC[m]People like my parents dehumanize those people because they're not Americans.Sep 10 20:03
schestowitz__did you watch the video BTW?Sep 10 20:03
schestowitz__because you shouldSep 10 20:03
DaemonFC[m]They say there's a legal process, but in practice, Trump has shut everyone out of it except rich criminals like that rapist porn baron.Sep 10 20:03
DaemonFC[m]This election is Biden's to fuck up, and that recent immigration pick he made could very well lose him Florida.Sep 10 20:05
DaemonFC[m]He picked someone from the Obama Administration who was responsible for deporting 2 million people.Sep 10 20:05
DaemonFC[m]Mom and dad aren't smart enough to look at facts, but as soon as Trump took over, the number of deportations fell by over 40%.Sep 10 20:06
DaemonFC[m]Obama was doing what they said they elected Trump for.Sep 10 20:06
schestowitz__I am guessing there's still widespread belief among Trump voters that Obama was a Muslim, born in Kenya, and "antichrist"Sep 10 20:07
DaemonFC[m]When we had a legal immigration system I was a lot angrier about people just overstaying their visa and saying "I'm here now!", but I can no longer find a reason to be mad about it. If there was a legal process, I would be. But Trump has turned USCIS into a farce that lets child rapists into the country if they have money while he claims that some guy who works on people's roof are the problem.Sep 10 20:07
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DaemonFC[m]I see ICE right now as being like the bounty hunters in the 1860s who were implementing the Fugitive Slave Act in the northern states, which didn't want them there.Sep 10 20:18
DaemonFC[m]In fact, the state of Illinois has passed a series of state laws to frustrate ICE, just as it was the first state to start arresting the bounty hunters and breaking the slaves out of jail.Sep 10 20:18
DaemonFC[m]There's no state law requiring employers in Illinois to use E-Verify, but in practice most do.Sep 10 20:20
DaemonFC[m]Libertarians despise E-Verify for many reasons, including the fact that there are errors in the system that cause it to say "Don't hire that American!" about 3% of the time.Sep 10 20:20
DaemonFC[m]But many states where Republicans are in the majority have made it mandatory.Sep 10 20:21
DaemonFC[m]They've never managed to work the bugs out, and if you've ever tried to get the government to correct any of its records, have fun with that. People shouldn't have to ask the government if they can have a job or not.Sep 10 20:21
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schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: FL changed the number to 205Sep 10 21:02
schestowitz__wonder what happened...Sep 10 21:02
schestowitz__maybe some dead people rose from the grave for the Orange AgentsSep 10 21:02
schestowitz__"it's a 9/11 MIRACLE!!"Sep 10 21:03
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Worldometer does that sometimes.Sep 10 21:03
DaemonFC[m]The total dead didn't go down.Sep 10 21:03
DaemonFC[m]They got redistributed to earlier days I think.Sep 10 21:03
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Two thirds of the US death toll is coming from like 5 southern states at this point. It's been like this for a while.Sep 10 21:04
DaemonFC[m]While there are some shithead Republicans in Illinois who have to be dragged out of Target by the ankles for destroying a mask display, there's a lot more in Florduh.Sep 10 21:05
schestowitz__FloridumbSep 10 21:05
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schestowitz__I have a relative there who's a chiroSep 10 21:08
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: The thing about Republicans is that they're so stupid there is no concept of quit while you're behind.Sep 10 21:09
schestowitz__And another whose own daughters both call him (the father) "dumb"Sep 10 21:09
DaemonFC[m]If they hadn't pushed gay marriage to the Supreme Court, and had started recognizing out of state marriage licenses, part of their ban might still be in effect. Sep 10 21:09
schestowitz__911k covid deaths just in time for 9/11Sep 10 21:10
DaemonFC[m]They push and they push and they lose and then they act like dicks about it forever.Sep 10 21:10
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I don't know what Brendan Eich though t he was doing.Sep 10 21:11
DaemonFC[m]There was no way that the government of California was going to step in to defend a voter initiative to ban gay marriage.Sep 10 21:11
DaemonFC[m]All he ended up doing was providing a vehicle into the federal courts to strike down gay marriage bans everywhere in the 9th circuit (not just California).Sep 10 21:12
schestowitz__2008 iircSep 10 21:12
schestowitz__12 years ago was a different time, also for public opinionSep 10 21:12
schestowitz__and 20 years ago I think few people supported such a thing, except gay couplesSep 10 21:12
DaemonFC[m]With nobody but a bunch of random church clowns trying to defend the law, it stood no chance of having a proper defense at the trial level.Sep 10 21:12
schestowitz__my lesbian colleague married around 2008Sep 10 21:13
schestowitz__did me no harmSep 10 21:13
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz__ "and 20 years ago I think few peo"> It was actually around 2012 or so that it started polling above water.Sep 10 21:13
schestowitz__it's mostly a formality anyway, for most marriagesSep 10 21:13
schestowitz__it's a "paperwork" thingSep 10 21:14
schestowitz__and taxesSep 10 21:14
schestowitz__many people are in unhealthy marriagesSep 10 21:14
DaemonFC[m]Well, nobody has sued USCIS yet. So Civil Unions don't count for filing a petition for adjustment of status, even though it's the same thing as marriage at the state level and for Social Security and Medicare. Sep 10 21:14
DaemonFC[m](and taxes on both levels)Sep 10 21:14
schestowitz__so the marriage itself isn't a yardstick for muchSep 10 21:14
schestowitz__you said you and Mandy were already arguing routinelySep 10 21:14
schestowitz__(not that this in itself is the issue)Sep 10 21:15
DaemonFC[m]It's unlikely that USCIS could continue denying petitions for people in civil unions in light of everything else.Sep 10 21:15
DaemonFC[m]It's happened a few times, but never anything that bad.Sep 10 21:15
schestowitz__maybe we'll have more words bannedSep 10 21:15
schestowitz__and the pseudo activists will be jubilantSep 10 21:15
DaemonFC[m]Usually just you know, he wanted to go to a friend's husband's funeral today.Sep 10 21:15
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Hey, that's a bad idea. They're saying those are superspreader events and it may be our funeral next.".Sep 10 21:15
schestowitz__obituary: "John Dobbs managed to get the word "whitelist" banned and won a Nobel Prize for it"Sep 10 21:16
DaemonFC[m]He pouted for a while but eventually understood.Sep 10 21:16
schestowitz__funerals are meaningless in many casesSep 10 21:16
schestowitz__the dead person cannot see anyoneSep 10 21:16
schestowitz__it's for relativesSep 10 21:16
DaemonFC[m]Whenever we argue it's something like that. I'm legitimately concerned that one or both of us will get sick so he can go to some random funeral for someone we don't even know.Sep 10 21:16
schestowitz__to feel like the dead loved one was widely lovedSep 10 21:17
schestowitz__even when it's fakedSep 10 21:17
DaemonFC[m]I don't want to watch Mandy die. It would destroy me. Sep 10 21:17
schestowitz__many funerals are in absentia mostly during this yearSep 10 21:17
schestowitz__it's becoming normalSep 10 21:17
DaemonFC[m]I have a family here to consider. Him, the cats. Those are my babies. How do you not get attached to your cats?Sep 10 21:17
schestowitz__maybe zoom will Market VirtualFuneral(R)Sep 10 21:18
schestowitz__discount for dead people under 65Sep 10 21:18
schestowitz__"I wanted to see dead dad... but my connection dropped"Sep 10 21:18
DaemonFC[m]It's not like "I hate you and I want a divorce!"/"You can have one for a goddamned glass of water!" type stuff.Sep 10 21:18
schestowitz__"I watched it on replay the following day"Sep 10 21:18
DaemonFC[m]It's usually just me trying to plan and manage risk.Sep 10 21:18
MinceRtrolls breaking into virtual funerals is going to be hilariousSep 10 21:18
DaemonFC[m]His sister was harsh on him and she's a very evil and selfish person.Sep 10 21:19
schestowitz__MinceR: for the trollsSep 10 21:19
MinceR:>Sep 10 21:19
DaemonFC[m]His parents died when he was like 15-16. Sep 10 21:19
schestowitz__well, tondo is toughSep 10 21:19
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: The only reason it's not raining shit on her right now is that I don't know if she'll be useful (or worth the effort) yet.Sep 10 21:20
schestowitz__MinceR: trolls with Scary Movie masks and accessoriesSep 10 21:20
MinceR:>Sep 10 21:20
_I3^RELATIVISMkeybase was bought by zoom btwSep 10 21:20
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: just keep a distance either waySep 10 21:20
schestowitz___I3^RELATIVISM: keybase was worse than useless anywaySep 10 21:20
schestowitz__i had an account thereSep 10 21:20
schestowitz__never used it... for anything substantialSep 10 21:21
_I3^RELATIVISMtrueSep 10 21:21
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, schestowitz__ I don't want anything to do with them.Sep 10 21:21
schestowitz__not sure why I even bothered setting up the accountSep 10 21:21
_I3^RELATIVISMbut many people use it Sep 10 21:21
schestowitz___I3^RELATIVISM: they just try to buy "privacy" credsSep 10 21:21
_I3^RELATIVISMhopefully this makes them drop itSep 10 21:21
schestowitz__while admitting they collaborate with FBI on back doorsSep 10 21:21
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I was trying to say Red Alert before he even went and told her he had a job.Sep 10 21:21
DaemonFC[m]I predicted what she was going to do with complete accuracy.Sep 10 21:21
schestowitz__get rid of the 'phone'Sep 10 21:22
schestowitz__problem solvedSep 10 21:22
schestowitz__no more talking to those nuisanceSep 10 21:22
DaemonFC[m]I have him on my account.Sep 10 21:22
DaemonFC[m]She doesn't know the new number. Sep 10 21:22
_I3^RELATIVISMyah that is what IdoSep 10 21:22
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: "I call YOU, don't call me"Sep 10 21:23
schestowitz__use some landline at the hotelSep 10 21:23
_I3^RELATIVISMIf you need to get a hold of someone just ask to a friend/stranger to use theyre phoneSep 10 21:23
schestowitz__they cannot phone you backSep 10 21:23
DaemonFC[m]They'd just get the number from the hotel. Not the extension.Sep 10 21:23
DaemonFC[m]There's over 300 rooms here.Sep 10 21:23
schestowitz__yeahSep 10 21:23
schestowitz__it's like your tor exit nodeSep 10 21:23
schestowitz__with population up to 300Sep 10 21:23
_I3^RELATIVISMtor is cancerSep 10 21:24
_I3^RELATIVISMif I2P wasnt writeen in java thoughSep 10 21:24
schestowitz__tor is rot backwardsSep 10 21:24
_I3^RELATIVISMbahah nice ROTSep 10 21:24
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: What you pay for a "last mile" ISP like Comcrap is so ridiculous that having it bundled with the rent at the hotel is like a $50 value add. Sep 10 21:24
_I3^RELATIVISMkovri is interestingSep 10 21:25
_I3^RELATIVISMat least on good thing cryptoproducedSep 10 21:25
_I3^RELATIVISMI2P rewrite in C++Sep 10 21:25
DaemonFC[m]You end up paying $600 a year for home internet and then it's not even fast because they step on it and Youtube even buffers.Sep 10 21:25
_I3^RELATIVISMinvidiousSep 10 21:25
_I3^RELATIVISM^^ not youtubeSep 10 21:26
_I3^RELATIVISMmuch betterSep 10 21:26
DaemonFC[m]Then there's the electric and gas. Included.Sep 10 21:26
_I3^RELATIVISM invidio.usSep 10 21:26
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DaemonFC[m]With heat and air conditioning, that's like $150 a month averaged out on a studio.Sep 10 21:27
_I3^RELATIVISMgo live in natureSep 10 21:27
_I3^RELATIVISMcoastal BCSep 10 21:27
DaemonFC[m]So right there you're $200 in just on utilities, and so you really aren't doing better.Sep 10 21:27
DaemonFC[m]Oh my god, these apartments sometimes charge you $500 just to ask and you don't get it back if they say no.Sep 10 21:28
MinceRis kovri compatible with i2p?Sep 10 21:28
DaemonFC[m]That adds up if you get 3 or 4 nos and have to live at the hotel anyway.Sep 10 21:28
DaemonFC[m]We may just end up living here until after the government makes their decision on his green card and then move to Indiana.Sep 10 21:29
DaemonFC[m]It's $400 a month there for a place bigger than this. Sep 10 21:29
DaemonFC[m]It's Indiana, but.....Hey, they have Walmarts in Indiana. So many people strung out on drugs that as long as you're not on drugs you can find a job.Sep 10 21:30
_I3^RELATIVISMkind of MinceR but there is a project called from kovri creators to try to create a compatible layer between all protocols clearnet, tOR, GNUnet, I2P, kovri etcSep 10 21:30
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MinceRinterestingSep 10 21:30
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I'm guessing the drugs problem in Hungary is bad.Sep 10 21:30
MinceRprobably, but most of it is hiddenSep 10 21:31
MinceRbecause people pretend that ethanol and tobacco are not drugsSep 10 21:31
DaemonFC[m]The Home Depot here says "We test for drugs, so if you use drugs, don't apply.".Sep 10 21:31
_I3^RELATIVISMwas annoying though because code was under apache license and now after abandoning it the main dev relicensed under BSD3clauseSep 10 21:32
DaemonFC[m]You get drug tested at some point, with consequences, if you try to do anything legitimate in the US.Sep 10 21:32
MinceRand, as usual, the government maintains criminal activity by banning, persecuting and stigmatizing the othersSep 10 21:32
DaemonFC[m]Either you'll get fired or the state will put you on probation and wait for you to go fuck this and test positive for something eventually. Sep 10 21:32
_I3^RELATIVISMdrug problem is much bigger in north america though, you see much more misery Sep 10 21:33
DaemonFC[m]It's a one way ticket to ending up back in court with your probation officer trying to send you to jail.Sep 10 21:33
DaemonFC[m]If you're going to test dirty at your intake, it's better to just admit it than lie about it and then fail the drug test. Sep 10 21:33
_I3^RELATIVISMyeah the warondrugs was a stopid policySep 10 21:33
DaemonFC[m]They can put down that you had something in your system and were honest about it and say "Clean yourself up or you'll go to court next time.".Sep 10 21:34
DaemonFC[m]It looks better to the judge later that you admitted it and that you cleaned up than "We're back in court a week later because he lied.".Sep 10 21:35
DaemonFC[m]Oh, and you're sitting in jail all that week. :)Sep 10 21:35
DaemonFC[m]<_I3^RELATIVISM "yeah the warondrugs was a stopid"> It is. People game it.Sep 10 21:35
DaemonFC[m]They wait for the random drug test, pass it, and then smoke like there's no tomorrow over the weekend, and then clean up for the next one.Sep 10 21:36
DaemonFC[m]John said that's what TSA officers do.Sep 10 21:36
DaemonFC[m]Since the next random one is probably at least 3 months away, plenty of time to clean up.Sep 10 21:36
_I3^RELATIVISMportugal was a sucess story on fighting drugsSep 10 21:36
_I3^RELATIVISMtreating it like kind of a diseasSep 10 21:36
DaemonFC[m]TSA is reluctant to fire anyone, honestly. They had a pervert that John told me about that was feeling people up and going "My, you're well endowed." or "Spread em!".Sep 10 21:37
DaemonFC[m]So they moved him to third shift and wrote him up and said it was his last chance (He was on his first year so they could have just fired him at the first instance, but didn't.Sep 10 21:37
DaemonFC[m]He waits for some woman with big boobs to come through and grabs them and says "Squeeze squeeze!" and that's when they got rid of him.Sep 10 21:38
DaemonFC[m]<_I3^RELATIVISM "treating it like kind of a disea"> The US is starting to go that way in some states.Sep 10 21:39
DaemonFC[m]Like, there's drug diversion courts, but it's mostly another way to be racist.Sep 10 21:39
_I3^RELATIVISMniceSep 10 21:39
DaemonFC[m]It's a felony if you're black. Sep 10 21:39
DaemonFC[m]If you're white, check yourself in somewhere and bring us a note.Sep 10 21:39
_I3^RELATIVISMdrugs is so widespread in northamericaSep 10 21:39
_I3^RELATIVISMwas kind of a suprise to meSep 10 21:39
_I3^RELATIVISMlike all major townsSep 10 21:40
DaemonFC[m]John had a friend in Fort Wayne named Rob Holocher. Sep 10 21:40
_I3^RELATIVISMvancouverSep 10 21:40
_I3^RELATIVISMsanfranciscoSep 10 21:40
_I3^RELATIVISMLASep 10 21:40
DaemonFC[m]The guy went into a CVS pharmacy, filled a prescription in his own name.Sep 10 21:40
DaemonFC[m]Used the ATM with his own debit card.Sep 10 21:40
DaemonFC[m]Then he came back in, dressed exactly the same, with no disguise on.Sep 10 21:40
DaemonFC[m]Told the pharmacist he had a gun and he wanted Oxycontin.Sep 10 21:41
_I3^RELATIVISMshitSep 10 21:41
_I3^RELATIVISMthat is crazy, you talking about the richest country in the world!Sep 10 21:41
DaemonFC[m]It's in the news in Fort Wayne if you google it.Sep 10 21:41
_I3^RELATIVISMso much disparitySep 10 21:41
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but Rob's dad is rich.Sep 10 21:41
DaemonFC[m]So they got him a good lawyer, judge gives him diversion (rehab and eligible for expungement).Sep 10 21:42
DaemonFC[m]He checked into rehab, but then decided he didn't want to be there, so he escaped, violated probation, and ended up in prison. After his dad was out $20,000 in legal bills.Sep 10 21:43
DaemonFC[m]All you had to do is not fuck up and say their shit for 3 months and you were out of there. Now he's in the slammer for 5-7 years.Sep 10 21:44
DaemonFC[m]I liked the movie version of A Scanner Darkly where Bob is giving a Just Say No speech in Orange County, California.Sep 10 21:44
DaemonFC[m]He's in the scramble suit and mutes it and tells his supervisor "I have a mental block on this because it's bullshit." and the guy says "Just turn the microphone back on and say the shit.".Sep 10 21:45
DaemonFC[m]"Repeat after me. We will hunt these terrorists down and wherever they go our retribution will be swift and severe.".Sep 10 21:46
DaemonFC[m]The government itself turned Bob into an addict to get him into the rehab clinic as a mole. Sep 10 21:47
DaemonFC[m]It turned out that the rehab people were using the brain damaged Substance D addicts as slave labor to produce more Substance D. Sep 10 21:48
DaemonFC[m]Right under the nose of the criminal justice system that was sending them there. Sep 10 21:49
DaemonFC[m]That's really not so different from what rehab really is. They give people narcotics to bring them down from an addiction to narcotics. Both made by the same pharmaceutical companies.Sep 10 21:50
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DaemonFC[m]And then you leave with a really awful medical bill from the rehab clinic.Sep 10 21:50
DaemonFC[m]I've been committed twice due to severe untreated bipolar disorder, and they stick you in with drug addicts too, so they're giving you antipsychotics and they're giving them methadone.Sep 10 21:51
DaemonFC[m]There is no getting out until you take the stuff. Sep 10 21:51
Ariadnei've never had this experience, thankfullySep 10 21:51
Ariadnei don't think i would fare too well in a psych wardSep 10 21:51
DaemonFC[m]I never did pay either bill. I threw them in the bankruptcy, even 12 and 18 years later.Sep 10 21:51
DaemonFC[m]Even though they couldn't collect. Just as a middle finger to them.Sep 10 21:52
DaemonFC[m]They both got copies of the court order that says it's illegal to try to collect or to even talk to me about it again.Sep 10 21:52
DaemonFC[m]If they send me a letter about it, I can open up the bankruptcy again and sue them.Sep 10 21:53
schestowitz__Trump Told Bob Woodward He Was Intentionally Deceptive on “Deadly” COVID Sep 10 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trump Told Bob Woodward He Was Intentionally Deceptive on “Deadly” COVIDSep 10 21:54
DaemonFC[m]The bankruptcy discharge basically is a "financial death" followed by a new financial life. It's the end of your person as far as debts accumulated before the bankruptcy.Sep 10 21:54
DaemonFC[m]It creates an "estate" with certain exemptions, sort of like dying, but it leaves you with just enough to emerge and live.Sep 10 21:54
DaemonFC[m]It's intended to be a last resort for when things are so bad that there is no way to fix it and your debt situation would effectively create a slave situation out of you indefinitely. Sep 10 21:55
DaemonFC[m]Unfortunately, we have a medical system that ensures that about 3-5% of the population of the US would go bankrupt every year even without credit cards, mortgages, or car loans. Sep 10 21:56
DaemonFC[m]So it's hardly uncommon.Sep 10 21:56
DaemonFC[m]Some people never have enough assets to be worth filing bankruptcy.Sep 10 21:57
DaemonFC[m]If you're on Social Security or take a paper paycheck and cash it somewhere, it can be impossible to collect if someone sues.Sep 10 21:58
DaemonFC[m]I didn't see Austin's house for a while until near the end, but he had a safe bolted into the floor.Sep 10 21:58
DaemonFC[m]Well, you have enough judgment creditors, you gotta do what you gotta do. Half of it were these ridiculous student loans, so bankruptcy wouldn't clear enough of it to matter.Sep 10 21:59
schestowitz__35.5% of the world's "active" #covid19 cases are now in the US and if you manage to survive this "active" case (can still be RE-infected), medical bills will finish your lifeSep 10 22:01
DaemonFC[m]<TechrightsBot-tr " | Trump Told Bob Wo"> schestowitz__: Yep. While he was telling his supporters to ridicule Democrats and people who were trying to stay safe because "It's just a flu!", he was already briefed that it was about 5 times worse than the flu.Sep 10 22:01
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Yes, on tape admitting he was briefed in February that it was 5x deadlier than the flu, but that he intentionally duped people to "avoid panic". It doesn't get much more damning than this, but he's convinced so many of his Useful Idiots to ignore facts that they'll just refuse to pbelieve it.Sep 10 22:04
DaemonFC[m]Duping people on COVID. Calling soldiers who died in battle "losers". Sep 10 22:05
DaemonFC[m]There should really be nobody left who could possibly bring themselves to vote for this guy ever again.Sep 10 22:05
DaemonFC[m]Electoral-Vote dot com is usually pretty close on what the final election results are by this point.Sep 10 22:08
DaemonFC[m]The 2016 maps had a lot of close polls and Gary Johnson and Jill Stein were adding a lot of noise.Sep 10 22:09
DaemonFC[m]It's pretty obvious to me that a lot of the third party votes that did happen came right out of Hillary Clinton's tally. Sep 10 22:10
DaemonFC[m]I'm reading this a lot differently this year. For starters, Biden has the strongest lead over the other candidate in any election in the last 20 years except for Obama in 2008.Sep 10 22:11
DaemonFC[m]Secondly, there's several hundred elected Republicans who have endorsed Biden because they said that Trump is too awful to live with, and that includes most of the cabinet from George W. Bush's administration. Meanwhile, the only Democrats two have endorsed Trump are some state legislator in Michigan who claims that hydroxychloroquine cured her Coronavirus, and Joe Lieberman, what an asshole.Sep 10 22:12
DaemonFC[m]It's clear that Trump's base is people who have luxury yachts to hoist Trump flags from and die hard idiots and redneck racists. Sep 10 22:13
DaemonFC[m]Whatever passed as intellect in the conservative movement has officially seceded and joined the Democratic Party.Sep 10 22:13
DaemonFC[m]Granted that there wasn't that much there to begin with, but what there was which gave Trump the benefit of the doubt in 2016 is just as disgusted and horrified as the rest of us. He's obviously losing them.Sep 10 22:15
DaemonFC[m]The states that are all so far tilted towards Trump where Biden has no chance are the usual suspects. Sep 10 22:16
DaemonFC[m]Very few electoral votes. Not much of a base to start out with.Sep 10 22:16
DaemonFC[m]Texas has been polling as a statistical tie.Sep 10 22:16
DaemonFC[m]So have Iowa, Ohio, North Carolina, and Georgia. (Trump won all of them last time).Sep 10 22:17
DaemonFC[m]Meanwhile, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida and Arizona (all of which Trump won last time) are between 4 and 9 points towards Biden in an average of recent polls.Sep 10 22:18
DaemonFC[m]So it's a steep hill for Trump to climb. He has a lot of lopsided states (by popular vote) without much influence in the electoral college, a lot that he needs that could go either way (and some which would normally never consider a Democrat), and half a dozen states that are probably going to vote for Biden.Sep 10 22:19
DaemonFC[m]If it's a fair election, Trump has about a 15-20% chance of overcoming all of this. Sep 10 22:19
DaemonFC[m]He's already eyeballing the coming loss and getting his supporters riled up to reject the outcome.Sep 10 22:20
DaemonFC[m]His campaign has also been just terrible managing money.Sep 10 22:20
DaemonFC[m]Including the ultimate WTF of dumping $2 million into TV ads in DC, which went 94% for Hillary Clinton last time.Sep 10 22:21
DaemonFC[m]That's the loss you incur when you have to have your ego stroked all the time and your campaign manager spends $2 million to make you happy when you see your own TV ads and get to smell your own farts.Sep 10 22:22
DaemonFC[m]To make things worse, his campaign's database is so bad that he's spending at least a few dollars per voter sending them luxurious campaign mail, including "MAGA Gold Cards", many of which went to lifelong Democrats who hate his guts and went to laugh about it on the news.Sep 10 22:23
DaemonFC[m]Then there were $11 million for two ads (two ads) on the Superbowl in January that nobody even remembers.Sep 10 22:23
DaemonFC[m]And a television blitz in April and May while the Coronavirus was mowing people down 2,000 a day and everyone was trapped in the house.Sep 10 22:24
DaemonFC[m]So he raised $1.1 billion and blew through 76% of it already.Sep 10 22:24
DaemonFC[m]His campaign hasn't told anyone what he raised in August, but  a campaign email acknowledged that Biden raised $367 million in one month and begged his supporters for more money.Sep 10 22:24
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I'm just really frugal.Sep 10 22:39
DaemonFC[m]I even turn aluminum foil over and use the clean side. Sep 10 22:40
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__ the 50% restaurant capacity isn't hurting the Chinese restaurant that much.Sep 10 23:35
DaemonFC[m]They got cheap rent in a discount mall and they have about twice as many tables as they need during peak hours anyway.Sep 10 23:36
DaemonFC[m]I'll bet they're glad to have that location now.Sep 10 23:36
DaemonFC[m]They just took the chairs out from every other table.Sep 10 23:37
DaemonFC[m]Last time I was there, I commented that a zig zag pattern would make the most sense to enforce social distancing.Sep 10 23:37
DaemonFC[m]They did that this week.Sep 10 23:37
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