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DaemonFC[m]MinceR They're a rich Asian family. Now I see why anyone from those families who doesn't become a rich business executive hangs himself in the closet or leaves the car running in the garage.Dec 10 00:02
DaemonFC[m]They see anything less than perfection to be unworthy of life. It's a terrible culture.Dec 10 00:03
DaemonFC[m]They see my husband as "corrupted" because he's with me and my finances are in the toilet, and that's the only measure of a life to them.Dec 10 00:04
DaemonFC[m]Then they had the audacity to tell me there's more than money in the world.Dec 10 00:08
DaemonFC[m]I think it's horrible that we even have a State that criminalizes homelessness and poverty instead of helping them up and ensuring some level of prosperity for the whole.Dec 10 00:12
DaemonFC[m]It's a sign that some fucking degenerates are truly running this place.Dec 10 00:12
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DaemonFC[m]I know that running the car in the garage can definitely kill someone.Dec 10 00:30
DaemonFC[m]About 20 years ago, a guy in the equipment design department in RCA in Marion was in the first round of layoffs.Dec 10 00:30
DaemonFC[m]So instead of just doing what a normal person would do. Suck it up. Apply for unemployment. Do your best.... He went home and gassed himself in the garage.Dec 10 00:31
DaemonFC[m]His wife came home and found him.Dec 10 00:32
DaemonFC[m]I guess it isn't exclusively an Asian thing, but it's one of the more repulsive features of certain Asian cultures where you're expected to do that instead of being a little embarrassed for a while.Dec 10 00:33
psydroidare these people from rich backgrounds or is becoming rich just what they should strive for?Dec 10 00:35
DaemonFC[m]So, I think that part of the reason his famimy hates me and isn't too happy with him is he married out of his race and to a guy who isn't hugely successful by the metric of accumulating things.Dec 10 00:35
DaemonFC[m]*familyDec 10 00:35
DaemonFC[m]They don't appear to be homophobic, but they play that at church with everything else they pretend at.Dec 10 00:36
DaemonFC[m]They're in this weird Filipino cult.Dec 10 00:37
DaemonFC[m]It has the trappings of Christianity, but is not based on Catholicism or Protestantism.Dec 10 00:37
DaemonFC[m]It's really quite bizarre. They saw me there once and they're really desperate for white converts because they aren't very successful with anyone who didn't come here from the Philippines.Dec 10 00:38
DaemonFC[m]> are these people from rich backgrounds or is becoming rich just what they should strive for?Dec 10 00:39
DaemonFC[m]They're fake rich.Dec 10 00:39
DaemonFC[m]They have upper middle class incomes and spend the whole thing trying to appear more well off than they really are.Dec 10 00:39
DaemonFC[m]They got shitty with me because I posted a Scotty Kilmer video about BMW "design" where he said it will eat you alive with repair bills after it turns 5.Dec 10 00:40
DaemonFC[m]That's exactly what their 5 year old BMW is busy doing with them.Dec 10 00:40
DaemonFC[m]They're not smart enough to quit while they're behind, I guess.Dec 10 00:41
psydroidI know these people very well, as my extended family is full of themDec 10 00:41
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, they took it as a dig against them.Dec 10 00:41
DaemonFC[m]I don't really care what their cars are. Buy a BMW and set it on fire for all I care.Dec 10 00:41
psydroidand I believe many of them suffer from personality disordersDec 10 00:42
DaemonFC[m]The cost of ownership of my 2003 Impala has been less even though it needed numerous major repairs.Dec 10 00:42
DaemonFC[m]And all theirs needed lately was a wheel bearing, new tires, and a wiring short to the air conditioner fixed.Dec 10 00:42
DaemonFC[m]Mine needed major engine and transaxle work, tires, window wiring short fix, a new power steering system all around, a wheel bearing, a tie rod, and a battery.Dec 10 00:43
DaemonFC[m]And somehow their BMW came out to be about the same cost to repair with only a few minor issues lately.Dec 10 00:44
DaemonFC[m]> and I believe many of them suffer from personality disordersDec 10 00:45
DaemonFC[m]Of course they do.Dec 10 00:45
DaemonFC[m]Delusions of persecution. Believing everyone is out to get you.Dec 10 00:45
DaemonFC[m]Common signs of schizoaffective disorder.Dec 10 00:45
DaemonFC[m]Based on what I've seen, I can't tell if it's her that has it and her husband was throwing a fit to back her up because he'd be next if he didn't.Dec 10 00:47
DaemonFC[m]Or if they're both nuts.Dec 10 00:47
DaemonFC[m]A lot of the time, one spouse will be seriously mentally disturbed and the other one will know it but learn to play along so that they won't be the next victim.Dec 10 00:48
DaemonFC[m]It's codependency.Dec 10 00:48
DaemonFC[m]psydroid They didn't respond well when they accused me of trying to get their dog to bite me on Thanksgiving so I could sue them.Dec 10 00:49
DaemonFC[m]And I said, "Paranoia is a way of life for you people. You have my sympathy.".Dec 10 00:50
DaemonFC[m]psydroid I told her at one point if she's so worried about all the crime here, it might make sense to move to a state with less crime. It's cheaper to live in Indiana anyway.Dec 10 00:51
DaemonFC[m]She started cutting Indiana down.Dec 10 00:51
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Well, you can go walking at 4 AM with $3000 in your pocket and nothing will happen.".Dec 10 00:52
DaemonFC[m]"You can leave your door unlocked at night and the vast majority of people there are too decent to even think about trying to open the door and steal from you.".Dec 10 00:52
DaemonFC[m]I said, "There's a few places that are terrible enough to almost be up there with Chicago, but just stay out of them.".Dec 10 00:53
psydroidDaemonFC, I have been targetted by such people for a decade, which was also caused by me not realising abusive behaviour being normalised at home with my father being a narcissist and my mother also growing up in a household with a narcissistic parent. I just have zero patience to deal with such people anymore and have learned to always trust my instinctsDec 10 00:54
oiaohmpinephone has done its first true phone call.Dec 10 00:54
DaemonFC[m]psydroid I know what she is and I had her pinned from the beginning.Dec 10 00:55
DaemonFC[m]She claims that she has material to blackmail me with.Dec 10 00:55
DaemonFC[m]I told her that threatening to blackmail someone is blackmail, and that's a crime. I told her to delete it because she has nothing bad enough to have me charged with anything, but I absolutely will go to the police about her.Dec 10 00:56
DaemonFC[m]She started mocking me.Dec 10 00:58
DaemonFC[m]I told her, "I can send this conversation to my attorney right now and he can explain to you what will happen.".Dec 10 00:58
DaemonFC[m]After I said that, she started being nice again.Dec 10 00:59
DaemonFC[m]She messaged my husband and said she accepted my apology and that she isn't going to withdraw the support affidavit.Dec 10 00:59
DaemonFC[m]She had me so angry at one point, my husband said my eyes turned black.Dec 10 01:00
DaemonFC[m]I mocked her husband at one point.Dec 10 01:01
DaemonFC[m]I said,  "I've never sued anyone because I'm from a place where most people consider frivolous lawsuits so immoral that they're very hard to get away with. An opinion I share.".Dec 10 01:01
DaemonFC[m]"But your accusation about suing you over your dumb dog is also laughable because you know I'm almost ready to file bankruptcy and if I sue you before the thing discharges in 6 or 8 months, the credit card people get all of it. So I wouldn't gain anything even if your paranoid delusions were true."Dec 10 01:03
DaemonFC[m]I hate Illinois.Dec 10 01:04
DaemonFC[m]It's not that the government is corrupt and immoral, it's that it reflects the people who live here and vote 8 times perfectly.Dec 10 01:04
DaemonFC[m]I think if my in laws weren't immigrants, they'd probably be Trump supporters.Dec 10 01:06
DaemonFC[m]I know they voted for Rodrigo Duterte.Dec 10 01:06
DaemonFC[m]He's basically what Trump would be if pur system of laws broke down entirely.Dec 10 01:06
DaemonFC[m]*ourDec 10 01:07
DaemonFC[m]They don't understand anything about the legal system of the United States.Dec 10 01:08
DaemonFC[m]The police aren't executioners like they are in the Philippines.Dec 10 01:08
DaemonFC[m]The state decides whether to bring charges, and whether the victim asks them to or not or cooperates is legally irrelevant.Dec 10 01:08
psydroidI can assure you this is going from bad to worse. I don't know how your husband and you feel about such people, but I've gone as far as minimising contact with my own father, because he doesn't care about anything other than his financial well-beingDec 10 01:09
DaemonFC[m]It's not a perfect system, but the police bypassing the courts and just shooting you isn't the normal thing and we don't call it "encounters" and have parades for cops that do something like that.Dec 10 01:10
DaemonFC[m]Thwir background is they come from a broken banana republic that has had a steing of fake elections and dictators.Dec 10 01:11
DaemonFC[m]They are not from a rich place, so they take the self-made man thing as something to taunt everyone else with.Dec 10 01:11
DaemonFC[m]They demand respect that they don't feel they owe anyone else.Dec 10 01:13
DaemonFC[m]That sort of thing.Dec 10 01:13
psydroidis your husband immune to this or is he simply not aware of their manipulation?Dec 10 01:13
DaemonFC[m]He's almost so innocent that he doesn't comprehend what he's dealing with.Dec 10 01:14
psydroidrespect is something you earn and not something that is given out freelyDec 10 01:14
DaemonFC[m]They brought him over here and started a ledger over every last pair of shoes they bought him.Dec 10 01:14
DaemonFC[m]And had him scrubbing their floors and toilets on his hands and knees and then finding a spot he missed and complaining about it.Dec 10 01:15
psydroidah yes, so he considers his sister's behaviour normal instead of abuseDec 10 01:15
DaemonFC[m]They were furious when he moved in with me and one of their horrible kids even said "Great, now who will clean my bathroom?".Dec 10 01:15
DaemonFC[m]He's used to his sister dealing harshly with him insteas of showing him any love or decency. Yes.Dec 10 01:16
DaemonFC[m]But when he got out of there and realized I don't demand much of anything from him, but just request that we share the housework and stuff, his biggest fear is he'll have to go back to their house.Dec 10 01:17
DaemonFC[m]When she was fucking with us for a few days threatening to revoke her support affidavit, he ran out of our home into the cold and saod he was going to kill himself.Dec 10 01:18
DaemonFC[m]She's manipulative.Dec 10 01:18
DaemonFC[m]She's ripping us off.Dec 10 01:18
DaemonFC[m]I can't do anything until he gets his green card. Then she can never revoke the support affidavit and I can cut her off and get really nasty with her and walk away.Dec 10 01:19
danielp3344ahhh immigrations...Dec 10 01:20
DaemonFC[m]She's like "What about the $20,000 he owes us?".Dec 10 01:20
danielp3344I think we should give up and let everyone in no strings attachedDec 10 01:20
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Well, you better hope he doesn't end up back in the Philippines then, because I'm sure as shit not going to give you two bucks if that happens.".Dec 10 01:20
psydroidI understand your dilemma and it's probably wise to lie low for a while until he gets the green card and you can move to some place far away from themDec 10 01:21
DaemonFC[m]She says, "But we borrowed from our children's college fund.".Dec 10 01:21
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Well, again. If he ends up back in the Philippines, have fun eating that.".Dec 10 01:21
cubexyzis it hard to get a green card?Dec 10 01:22
danielp3344cubexyz: quiteDec 10 01:22
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, you have to prove you won't be a burden on the government.Dec 10 01:22
Hail_Spacecakedanielp3344: who's we?Dec 10 01:22
danielp3344Hail_Spacecake: the USADec 10 01:22
DaemonFC[m]So she co sponsored him to bring us over the income requirements.Dec 10 01:22
DaemonFC[m]I basically told her if he gets deported I'm going to unleash hell on them like they've never seen.Dec 10 01:23
DaemonFC[m]She aaked what I meant. I said, well for starters I'll get you banned from church.Dec 10 01:24
danielp3344loolDec 10 01:24
DaemonFC[m]But that will be clearing my throat, because then I'll go spill my guts about everything I know about you and you'll be in deep shit.Dec 10 01:25
DaemonFC[m]"But that $20,000 is gone no matter what. So help yourself. You're good at that. You'll think of something and end up doing the right thing.".Dec 10 01:26
DaemonFC[m]Daniel Peterson I told her I know all about her and I'm not afraid to talk about any of it if I have to.Dec 10 01:28
DaemonFC[m]I really don't know much. But she's a liar and a crook.Dec 10 01:28
danielp3344now who's blackmailing...Dec 10 01:28
DaemonFC[m]And the only thing they do worry about is being caught doing something.Dec 10 01:28
DaemonFC[m]Daniel Peterson I prefer to consider it changing perspective.Dec 10 01:30
DaemonFC[m]You can gain compliance from difficult people very often if you know some psychology.Dec 10 01:31
DaemonFC[m]I've used it to end up getting car salesmen to give up and make me go away.Dec 10 01:32
danielp3344I prefer not to deal with such peopleDec 10 01:32
DaemonFC[m]I think I can deal with Imelda Marcos over there.Dec 10 01:32
DaemonFC[m]If I can bluff the state of Illinois, my ex, manipulate the sales people at Ford by making them think they were doing it to me.....Dec 10 01:33
DaemonFC[m]I call her Imelda sometimes.Dec 10 01:34
DaemonFC[m]I went over there and she was talking about all her shopping addictions and she actually does have like hundreds of shoes on several racks that she hasn't even worn.Dec 10 01:35
danielp3344I need a job...Dec 10 01:35
DaemonFC[m]What kind of job?Dec 10 01:36
psydroidshoe salesman?Dec 10 01:36
danielp3344Preferably some kind of skilled tradeDec 10 01:36
danielp3344But really just the kind that produces moneyDec 10 01:36
DaemonFC[m]Fay lady: How dare you say that to my face!Dec 10 01:36
DaemonFC[m]Al Bundy: I'd say it behind your back, but my car's only got half a tank of gas.Dec 10 01:37
danielp3344lolDec 10 01:37
DaemonFC[m]FL: You'll be hearing from my attorney!Dec 10 01:37
DaemonFC[m]Bundy: Would that be the Law offices of Haagen and Dazs?Dec 10 01:37
DaemonFC[m]> But really just the kind that produces moneyDec 10 01:44
DaemonFC[m]Come to Illinois. Fucking McDonald's here pays $13 an hour.Dec 10 01:44
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DaemonFC[m]That's the employer of last resort.Dec 10 01:49
DaemonFC[m]McDonald's is like half a notch lower than Walmart.Dec 10 01:49
DaemonFC[m]The McDonald's stores here don't look like they hire anyone but Mexicans.Dec 10 01:50
DaemonFC[m]But you might get lucky.Dec 10 01:50
DaemonFC[m]I guess I could apply and then complain to the EEOC that they didn't consider me for McDonald's because I'm white.Dec 10 01:51
DaemonFC[m]Affirmative Action!Dec 10 01:51
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DaemonFC[m]"The card that Illinois has relied on for almost 80 years.".Dec 10 02:13
DaemonFC[m]Food Stamps?Dec 10 02:14
schestowitzzoobab: got your mail, reading nowDec 10 02:14
*danielp3344 sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/akFNdavYSdjkCoxfHXGZzNUb >Dec 10 02:15
danielp3344I was going to work at a local shop for 12/hr but they said they decided not to hire until springDec 10 02:15
schestowitz[23:25] <zoobab> I have updated the french versionDec 10 02:15
schestowitz[23:25] <zoobab> http://blog.ffii.org/manifestation-contre-le-brevet-logiciel-unitaire-jeudi-12-decembre-a-bruxelles/Dec 10 02:15
schestowitzgoodDec 10 02:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Manifestation contre le Brevet Logiciel Unitaire, jeudi 12 décembre à Bruxelles | Blog.FFII.orgDec 10 02:16
cubexyzyes 9front is the plan 9 forkDec 10 02:21
cubexyzI'd still rather use slackware for the linux gamesDec 10 02:21
cubexyzbut there's no reason why I couldn't run 9front on one machineDec 10 02:22
DaemonFC[m]Daniel Peterson $12 an hour is about what Walmart pays people to change oil and tires.Dec 10 02:22
DaemonFC[m]Why work at a shop if you can just do two basic tasks all day for the same money?Dec 10 02:23
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DaemonFC[m]For the same wage, you pick the job with less work.Dec 10 02:23
danielp3344obvious reasonsDec 10 02:24
DaemonFC[m]For slightly less money maybe too.Dec 10 02:24
danielp3344(I hope)Dec 10 02:24
DaemonFC[m]You just like it or you want the experience to pad a resume to make more money eventually?Dec 10 02:24
cubexyzwell you might earn more as a garbage man...Dec 10 02:25
danielp33441. I prefer to do actual troubleshooting and not just make stuff worseDec 10 02:25
danielp33442. Small shops have a lot of benefitsDec 10 02:25
cubexyzsome people might just take a lower paying retail job insteadDec 10 02:25
cubexyze.g. working in a photography shop, or computer storeDec 10 02:27
cubexyzget experience in the area you're interested inDec 10 02:27
danielp3344I want to be a mechanic somedayDec 10 02:28
zoobabgoing to ZZZDec 10 02:29
DaemonFC[m]> 1. I prefer to do actual troubleshooting and not just make stuff worseDec 10 02:29
DaemonFC[m]Then don't work at Sparks Computerized Car Care in Muncie, Indiana.Dec 10 02:29
DaemonFC[m]All they do is throw parts in it at random and hand you a bill. LolDec 10 02:30
DaemonFC[m]Unless it's painfully obvious what's wrong.Dec 10 02:30
DaemonFC[m]The computer said bad EGR valve on one of the 10 million things that went wrong on the Corsica.Dec 10 02:31
DaemonFC[m]And they replaced the EGR valve, and there you go.Dec 10 02:31
schestowitzzoobab: gn and thank youDec 10 02:31
DaemonFC[m]The EGR valve is pollution control, but it also makes very bad stuff happen to the engine when it fails.Dec 10 02:32
DaemonFC[m]It basically feeds the exhaust back into the engine so it can burn any unburned fuel that made it through the first time.Dec 10 02:33
DaemonFC[m]It has important tasks that actually do stuff not involving pollution control.Dec 10 02:34
DaemonFC[m]So you don't really just want to let it go.Dec 10 02:34
DaemonFC[m]"Clogged EGR valves can sometimes be cleaned, but replacement is necessary if the valve is faulty. "Dec 10 02:37
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the one on that car looked pretty bad. Not sure how it rusted.Dec 10 02:38
schestowitzRe: sent to rms: gnu trademarkDec 10 02:46
schestowitz> "open source" is not free software and misses the point for sure, but that doesnt mean there is no lesson to be learned from when they allowed trademarks to become generic.Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> as much as it is better to say "gnu" or "gnu/linux" i dont think it would be ideal if the gnu trademark became genericised. the linux foundation is already deliberately doing that to the linux trademark, using it to refer to windows now.Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> the fsf owns the gnu trademark (registered july 2011) and a professor from carnegie mellon is currently referring to some technology (hardware/software?) project as gnu-rl.Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> carnegie mellon works with microsoft on edge computing, i dont trust them calling things "gnu" particularly when the linux trademark is being used for things unrelated to free software.Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> i also find it impossible to trust the fsf at this point, i realise youre trying to keep gnu running and i believe very strongly in gnu. a lot of us foresee a "divorce" between fsf and gnu, which would be unpleasant and far from ideal at this time. i dont blame you for trying to hold the two together.Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> as for the future of the fsf, some of us think theyre just going to keep slowly selling out. you know them a lot better than we do, sure-- but we keep looking for good signs and finding bad ones instead.Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> we still support you and believe in you, but your ability to extend our trust to the fsf like an umbrella is perhaps limited. we dont believe in the fsf in its current state. we try to believe.Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> i know you wont start another organisation, but a lot of us would rather fund you directly than fund them. im sorry, nothing they say at this point comes across as sincere anymore.Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> meanwhile, sfc (we like them less than the fsf) is promoting xapian, of all things. awful.Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> free software will carry on, but i think the fsf of the future is less... hopeful.Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> Dec 10 02:46
schestowitz> get control of that trademark if you can. i wish i knew what happened between you and eben, id trust what he says about the gnu trademark over your own people at fsf, or sfc. maybe sandler can still be trusted. roy still believes in her.Dec 10 02:46
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schestowitzhttps://venturebeat.com/2019/12/09/pixel-4-gets-automatic-robocall-screening-improved-location-accuracy-and-more/Dec 10 03:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pixel 4 gets automatic robocall screening, improved location accuracy, and more | VentureBeatDec 10 03:37
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MinceR10 014136 < DaemonFC[m]> I don't really care what their cars are. Buy a BMW and set it on fire for all I care.Dec 10 06:40
MinceRno need, it will set itself on fireDec 10 06:40
MinceRgerman engineering!Dec 10 06:40
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MinceR10 043747 < schestowitz> https://venturebeat.com/2019/12/09/pixel-4-gets-automatic-robocall-screening-improved-location-accuracy-and-more/Dec 10 06:55
MinceRwho cares, will it have a memory card slot? :>Dec 10 06:55
MinceRalso, lol @ next article: "Apple will join CES privacy roundtable with FTC and Facebook"Dec 10 06:56
MinceRfucking privacy heroesDec 10 06:56
schestowitzlike MozillaDec 10 07:13
schestowitzThey're poserDec 10 07:13
schestowitzposersDec 10 07:14
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/632533.jpgDec 10 07:17
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/642958.jpgDec 10 07:23
schestowitzlolDec 10 07:31
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riannehttps://www.ecowatch.com/trump-makes-strange-claim-about-water-efficient-toilets-says-epa-is-examining-toilets-at-my-suggestion-2641555142.htmlDec 10 07:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trump Makes Strange Claim About Water Efficient Toilets: 'People Are Flushing Toilets 10 Times, 15 Times' - EcoWatchDec 10 07:40
Hail_Spacecakehttps://twitter.com/asymmetricinfo/status/1203340209204666371Dec 10 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@asymmetricinfo: Trump's hyperbole on showers was ... Trumpian. And it's true, as Josh Barro says, that toilets have improved. https://t.co/7C2kQTqBUbDec 10 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> nymag.com | President Trump Is Wrong — Toilets Are Good NowDec 10 07:46
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scientesMinceR, i only read lwnDec 10 08:20
scientesall the other "news" sites are nothing but paid articlesDec 10 08:20
schestowitzzoobab: good morningDec 10 08:29
schestowitz[20:59] <zoobab> can you add the "coporate terrorism" image to your post?Dec 10 08:29
schestowitzwhich is it?Dec 10 08:29
schestowitzoh I seeDec 10 08:30
schestowitzhttp://blog.ffii.org/manifestation-contre-le-brevet-logiciel-unitaire-jeudi-12-decembre-a-bruxelles/Dec 10 08:30
schestowitzyou added itDec 10 08:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Manifestation contre le Brevet Logiciel Unitaire, jeudi 12 décembre à Bruxelles | Blog.FFII.orgDec 10 08:30
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Guest64119Hi Roy, could you please send me your email address to d.xenos@uos.ac.uk?Dec 10 09:53
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schestowitzhiDec 10 10:09
schestowitzoh, too lateDec 10 10:09
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riannehttps://www.design-reuse.com/news/47237/hex-five-multizone-security-linux-risc-v-processor.htmlDec 10 11:47
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MinceRhttps://cdn.niu.moe/media_attachments/files/007/993/503/original/d2e32dc2946ef851.pngDec 10 17:33
MinceRhttps://twitter.com/AwwwwCats/status/1204186800769634304Dec 10 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AwwwwCats: "You’re adopted“ https://t.co/amrMIEcrqhDec 10 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AwwwwCats: "You’re adopted“ https://t.co/amrMIEcrqhDec 10 17:36
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schestowitzlol https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/12/10/microsoft-just-released-its-first-native-office-app-for-linux/Dec 10 19:29
schestowitzxmas gift?Dec 10 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Microsoft Just Released Its First Native Office App For The Linux DesktopDec 10 19:29
oiaohmschestowitz: not exactly schools with chromebooks have been going google docs because teams really does not work for student managment.Dec 10 19:31
oiaohmthe webbrowser app of teams lacks important line functionality when you have bad wifi.Dec 10 19:31
oiaohmline/offlineDec 10 19:31
XRevan86Wait, what is Microsoft Teams? Did they rename Skype for Business again?Dec 10 19:31
danielp3344lolDec 10 19:32
oiaohmXRevan86: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Teams  Yep renamed Skype for Business.Dec 10 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Microsoft Teams - WikipediaDec 10 19:32
XRevan86Oh, I didn't expect to be rightDec 10 19:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Microsoft Once Again Googlebombing "Linux" to Push/Promote Proprietary Spyware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131535 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6d4bc215-8698-45a6-aa47-77b2c4ed5974]Dec 10 19:33
oiaohmLike kid takes laptop home no wifi/internet they still need to be able to read the teachers messages todo homework.Dec 10 19:34
oiaohmI do wonder how many more Microsoft applications will come to Linux.Dec 10 19:36
XRevan86Here's Johnny!Dec 10 19:37
oiaohmReally I remember IE for Unix.Dec 10 19:37
schestowitzI think de Icaza did itDec 10 19:38
oiaohmschestowitz: No  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_UNIXDec 10 19:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Internet Explorer for UNIX - WikipediaDec 10 19:38
oiaohmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainsoft   Mainsoft end up change their company name party to distance themselve from only baddy they screwed stuff up.Dec 10 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mainsoft - WikipediaDec 10 19:41
XRevan86oiaohm: Aren't you excited for Microsoft Chromium Edge? :)Dec 10 19:44
MinceRlolDec 10 19:46
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MinceRmicroshit became a master of rebrandingDec 10 19:47
XRevan86Microsoft Teams is kinda much even for themDec 10 19:47
MinceRalso, office365 can already be accessed from a browser running on gnu/linux, but they still deliberately break parts of it (as if their natural tendency to fuck everything up wasn't enough)Dec 10 19:47
XRevan86Microsoft Office CommunicatorDec 10 19:48
XRevan86Microsoft LyncDec 10 19:49
XRevan86Skype for BusinessDec 10 19:49
XRevan86Microsoft TeamsDec 10 19:49
MinceRlolDec 10 19:49
MinceRm$n search -> winblows live search -> live search -> bìngDec 10 19:51
MinceRi wonder if they'll manage to significantly change the icon of Idiot Exploiter this time thoughDec 10 19:52
XRevan86MinceR: Yes, they've changed it to floaty gooDec 10 19:52
MinceR:)Dec 10 19:53
XRevan86Here's an official gif: https://46c4ts1tskv22sdav81j9c69-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/prod/sites/2/2019/11/8c9568e0875e71b5c0397f39c50a87f8.gifDec 10 19:55
oiaohmXRevan86: its more of a question how is Microsoft Edge going to manage to screw it up.Dec 10 19:55
XRevan86of how an "E" turns into a typical browser logo blobDec 10 19:55
XRevan86Although it looks more like Firefox' logo than any other. Maybe Microsoft considers the idea vacantDec 10 19:57
MinceRfunny how they still don't fully deny it's still Idiot Exploiter :>Dec 10 19:57
MinceRalso they probably figure if mozilla threatens a suit they'll just throw a suitcase of money at them and it will be settledDec 10 19:57
oiaohmWith the number of CVE that are unfixed in internet explorer Microsoft really cannot claim it works.Dec 10 19:58
MinceRthat would be a nice standardDec 10 19:58
XRevan86oiaohm: Isn't taking Chromium a screw-up in on itself?Dec 10 19:58
oiaohmChanging to the chromium engine seams to be that Microsoft does not have the staff to fix their own egine.Dec 10 19:58
XRevan86Chromium is more than an engine.Dec 10 19:58
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MinceRthey don't have the staff to fix any piece of softwareDec 10 19:59
oiaohmThinking they really nicked the trident engine in the first place it kinds of makes sense.Dec 10 19:59
MinceRthey might as well close shop if they care about thatDec 10 19:59
XRevan86Blink is an engine, V8 is an engine^W interpreter, okayDec 10 19:59
oiaohmThat Microsoft does not have the staff that understands it.Dec 10 19:59
oiaohmHow well with edge backport chromuim CVEs.Dec 10 19:59
XRevan86Chromium is a complete browser. The closest is "framework".Dec 10 20:00
MinceRwhen did they start caring about security?Dec 10 20:00
oiaohmIs it going to be like android phone Linux kernels where in most cases over half the kernel level security flaws are not fixed.Dec 10 20:00
XRevan86oiaohm: They're not forking off, just forking.Dec 10 20:00
MinceRpityDec 10 20:00
oiaohmXRevan86: android kernel is a fork of the Linux kernel.Dec 10 20:00
XRevan86Will be just like Vivaldi, Opera, Mail.Ru Atom, etc.Dec 10 20:00
MinceRi wish they'd just fork off alreadyDec 10 20:00
XRevan86synching with upstream and adding on their own stuffDec 10 20:01
oiaohmXRevan86: lot of what you just listed has I don't apply known security flaw fixes.Dec 10 20:01
oiaohmdue to confliting with addons.Dec 10 20:01
XRevan86it seems Chromium has stuff in it to make the process as painless as possibleDec 10 20:01
XRevan86Google: Yes, take Chromium, oh yes, do takeDec 10 20:02
oiaohmChromium has made it painless to get right and plainless to screw the security up complete as well.Dec 10 20:02
MinceRthere's also a Chromium Embedded Framework or whateverDec 10 20:02
XRevan86schestowitz: ""Teams" is just a Skype rebrand" – no, Skype for Business, i.e. Lync, it's a different project.Dec 10 20:02
MinceRor at least used to be, before they made skype more surveillance-friendly :>Dec 10 20:03
*XRevan86 just realised why Microsoft renamed Lync as Skype for Business…Dec 10 20:03
XRevan86they figured that "skype" is a term for VoIP communication nowDec 10 20:03
XRevan86so this is a business tool for skype'ingDec 10 20:04
MinceR:>Dec 10 20:04
XRevan86* VVoIPDec 10 20:04
MinceR"this is for the first time i am doing on spiky." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuZV9kkzscgDec 10 20:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Worst Job Interview: Odisha Guy - YouTubeDec 10 20:05
oiaohmXRevan86: https://blog.compass-security.com/2014/01/lync-top-5-security-issues/  its double.Dec 10 20:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.compass-security.com | Lync – Top 5 Security Issues – Compass Security BlogDec 10 20:05
oiaohmXRevan86: lync had a large number of security issues to the point many companies blacklisted it by name from being used inside business.Dec 10 20:05
oiaohmXRevan86: Microsoft solution rename.Dec 10 20:05
XRevan86"a combination of “link” and “sync”" – that gave me a laughDec 10 20:06
oiaohmYep link your phones to the outside world.Dec 10 20:06
oiaohmFor any third party to listen in on.Dec 10 20:06
oiaohmis fairly  much what lync came with the security faults.Dec 10 20:06
XRevan86I mean, a name that's supposed to be obvious but instead obscure and weirdDec 10 20:06
XRevan86just like Skype for BusinessDec 10 20:06
XRevan86at least not confusingDec 10 20:07
XRevan86> On the other hand, some features like the Federations (connection with other companies) highly increase the attack surface.Dec 10 20:07
oiaohmcombination of link and sync to everyone came a very exact description of Micrsoft lync.Dec 10 20:07
XRevan86Um, like XMPP S2S?Dec 10 20:07
oiaohmXMPP had some federation security.Dec 10 20:08
XRevan86oiaohm: It has.Dec 10 20:08
oiaohmlync really did not.  So the compnay you federation link with Microsoft lync administators could mess with your local settings.Dec 10 20:08
oiaohmOn paper lync has federation security.  In implementation its checks are as buggy as hell.Dec 10 20:09
oiaohmThis lead to the black listing.Dec 10 20:09
oiaohmSo Microsoft hand was kind of forced in that case even if they fixed those faults no one was buying it under the existing name so the rename.Dec 10 20:10
MinceRlol @ microsloth securityDec 10 20:10
XRevan86and then againDec 10 20:10
MinceRand as usual, change name instead of fixing bugsDec 10 20:10
oiaohmYes if you look again you will find another security balls up.Dec 10 20:10
oiaohmXRevan86: basically every time Microsoft screws a product up bad enough that no one will deploy it they rename it.Dec 10 20:11
XRevan86The year is 2026, a new project has emerged: Microsoft Groups, still Office Communicator under the hood.Dec 10 20:11
oiaohmThat could turn into truth.Dec 10 20:11
MinceRand a remaining small group of rebels are fighting desperately for their life against microsoftDec 10 20:11
XRevan86Microsoft One CommuneDec 10 20:11
MinceRon a ravaged earth nearly unfit for lifeDec 10 20:12
XRevan86Microsoft Commute BusinessDec 10 20:12
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XRevan86MinceR: And Microsoft hunts them for their scalps, for data collection.Dec 10 20:15
MinceRor for their brains, to eat them, though they no longer know whyDec 10 20:15
XRevan86Don't break it if it worksDec 10 20:16
MinceRbraaaaaaaaaaaainsDec 10 20:16
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XRevan86"eat them" – then brains go to a jar in a chamber connected to Office 365Dec 10 20:17
XRevan86Where 365 means that a person has to use it 365 days a yearDec 10 20:18
XRevan8624/7Dec 10 20:18
MinceRor they just get chewed and mangled by the microsoft drone, then the remains leak to the groundDec 10 20:18
XRevan86only the brain in a jar design allows doing so without sleepDec 10 20:18
MinceRno, only the no brain design allows doing so at allDec 10 20:19
MinceRwhich is probably the original reasonDec 10 20:19
MinceRif victims no longer have brains, they can no longer know to avoid microsuck productsDec 10 20:19
XRevan86I wonder if pidgin-sipe works with MS Teams %)Dec 10 20:20
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XRevan86https://sourceforge.net/p/sipe/discussion/688534/thread/b7b6fe2301/#2c27 I think this is the answer.Dec 10 20:31
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XRevan86So it would appear that at least one aspect of Skype for Business is not inherited by Microsoft Teams: SIPE.Dec 10 20:35
XRevan86"Extended SIP" that isDec 10 20:35
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/642950.jpgDec 10 21:45
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19093022Dec 10 21:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectDec 10 21:55
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/UV3Efnm.jpgDec 10 22:22
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/1909135Dec 10 22:48
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