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schestowitzgmDec 10 03:10
schestowitz 10 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The road to software freedom is paved with licensing — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free softwareDec 10 03:13
DaemonFC[m]The GPLv3 caused a mass exodus.Dec 10 03:17
DaemonFC[m]Now the Linux distributions are figuring out how to get away from GRUB.Dec 10 03:17
schestowitzwhat you say is nonsenseDec 10 03:18
DaemonFC[m]Fedora's "kill Legacy BIOS support" feature is really about killing GRUB. They don't want to do any work on systemd-boot so that it will boot up on BIOS systems.Dec 10 03:18
DaemonFC[m]And Lennart Poettering is all over that thread talking about switching to systemd-boot as part of the feature.Dec 10 03:18
DaemonFC[m]My guess is that they just didn't want anything headline grabbing.Dec 10 03:19
DaemonFC[m]To be fair, if systemd-boot was a good idea, then writing special code to handle legacy BIOS wouldn't make much sense.Dec 10 03:19
DaemonFC[m]Because the systems that need it are all at least a decade or more old.Dec 10 03:19
DaemonFC[m]But it makes no sense, on a technical level, to throw out GRUB, which already supports BIOS PCs.Dec 10 03:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora. - devel - Fedora Mailing-ListsDec 10 03:21
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: This is lunacy.Dec 10 03:21
DaemonFC[m]In another 5 years it might start to make sense as a "This is kind of bloated and it's a corner case now for Fedora.", but they used to try to support hardware for about 20 years.Dec 10 03:23
DaemonFC[m]"This post is just to gather feed back why Fedora should still continueDec 10 03:23
DaemonFC[m]to support legacy BIOS boot as opposed to stop supporting it andDec 10 03:23
DaemonFC[m]potentially drop grub2 and use sd-boot instead."Dec 10 03:23
DaemonFC[m]Sure....Dec 10 03:23
DaemonFC[m]The decision is already either made, or getting there (in favor of killing off GRUB).Dec 10 03:24
DaemonFC[m]It's under the GPLv3 and I'm sure that's really what's at issue here.Dec 10 03:24
DaemonFC[m]I'm just not seeing any strong technical arguments for this.Dec 10 03:27
DaemonFC[m]Lennart Poettering is arguing for making a big fucking mess in the ESP by dumping kernels in it and making it larger.Dec 10 03:29
DaemonFC[m]He also says that GRUB "stole" the term "boot loader specification".Dec 10 03:30
DaemonFC[m]Resizing an ESP means risking the integrity of whatever OS the user already has installed.Dec 10 03:30
DaemonFC[m]Unless you are only booting one operating system and if you trash it you can just recover by making a new one, you should leave it the hell alone.Dec 10 03:31
DaemonFC[m]It may not even be possible to resize the ESP contiguously, and do we know that absolutely never causes a problem with any uEFI firmwares? If you don't dump kernels into it, you can just reuse the one that Windows already created.Dec 10 03:32
DaemonFC[m]This is also why I never dual boot a system, especially not with Windows.Dec 10 03:33
DaemonFC[m]Something always goes wrong at some point, but this is the first time I think I've seen a Linux distribution proposing a change that would make it happen.Dec 10 03:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla moves out of Mountain View - SFChronicle.comDec 10 03:47
DaemonFC[m]Well, after you lay off 600 engineers so you can pay for people to turn it into adware, and a "Global Chief Diversity Officer", and Baker's ridiculous salary....Dec 10 03:48
schestowitz"Firefox is losing users. We have been for a while. Obviously, we want to turn this around. We started by setting a goal for 2020: Slow the loss of Firefox users." By spying on them!!! #mozilla #firefox 10 03:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ – Leading with Data - Cascading MetricsDec 10 03:56
smnthermes> DaemonFC[m] wrote:Dec 10 04:18
smnthermes> Fedora's "kill Legacy BIOS support" feature is really about killing GRUB. They don't want to do any work on systemd-boot so that it will boot up on BIOS systems.Dec 10 04:18
smnthermessystemd-coreutils and systemd-libc when?Dec 10 04:18
DaemonFC[m]Well, there was a Linux fork of GNU libc before and it was a disaster.Dec 10 04:19
DaemonFC[m]"Linux libc", and they didn't keep logs of who contributed to it so it was a mess as far as figuring out who had the copyright.Dec 10 04:19
DaemonFC[m]So when they adopted GNU libc again, everything in the Linux fork was lost.Dec 10 04:19
search_socialsystemd-boot? hahaDec 10 04:37
search_sociali hope devuan survivesDec 10 04:37
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schestowitzsystemd-bootdDec 10 04:59
schestowitzit's not conquered until there's a d in itDec 10 04:59
schestowitzd for deutschDec 10 04:59
vZS1If you take technical advice from Red Hat there's already something very wrong with youDec 10 05:05
vZS1These companies can hoodwink people all they like but they don't have the hackers to build things like early GNU did.Dec 10 05:08
search_socialthere needs to be a master list of what's good and badDec 10 05:08
vZS1And some currently on GNUDec 10 05:08
search_socialmainly just of what's good since it seems most things are badDec 10 05:08
vZS1Pointless. Who gets to decide what's good or bad?Dec 10 05:08
search_sociali meant techrightsDec 10 05:09
search_sociallike you publish all these stories that describe such a listDec 10 05:09
search_socialbut one has to trawl through all the stories to figure out what it isDec 10 05:09
schestowitzuse the wikiDec 10 05:09
vZS1That's oversimplificationDec 10 05:10
schestowitze.g. 10 05:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Startpage - TechrightsDec 10 05:10
schestowitzalso, everything is a mix or bad and goodDec 10 05:10
vZS1^Dec 10 05:10
schestowitzyou need to understand the pertinent reasonsDec 10 05:10
schestowitzjust making some blanket 'blacklist' is not enoughDec 10 05:10
schestowitzif you cannot argue to other people why boycottDec 10 05:10
search_socialyeah that's good pageDec 10 05:12
search_socialwell actually i think having a list of the good guys is more importantDec 10 05:12
search_sociallike it says linux foundation is bad on that page so what's the alternativeDec 10 05:12
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DaemonFC[m]+3,260 dead from COVID in the US yesterday.Dec 10 07:52
search_socialwrongDec 10 07:54
search_social"with" covidDec 10 07:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | US Agency for Global Media Reopens Office of Internet FreedomDec 10 11:52
schestowitz# using FOSS funding for proprietary garbageDec 10 11:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft: View: Instead of TikTok, Microsoft can strike a Discord, Telecom News, ET TelecomDec 10 11:56
psydroid<schestowitz "# using FOSS funding for proprie"> I've been thinking for quite a while that current power structures can't exist in the context of predominantly free software/society/culture, so there will always be forces that will seek to close functionalities and features off to the public at largeDec 10 12:27
psydroidand eventually this also corrupts and reigns back in companies and organisations built on free software such as Red Hat, Canonical, Debian etc.Dec 10 12:28
psydroidreins*Dec 10 12:40
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vZS1You can't stop people building products around Free SoftwareDec 10 12:54
vZS1The license permits outDec 10 12:54
vZS1it*Dec 10 12:54
vZS1Because they can't own the code, orgs try to own the ecosystem.Dec 10 12:55
vZS1Think GNU/Linux distributions, etcDec 10 12:56
vZS1distributions are actually pretty terrible for software freedom. Because users are pretty much forced to use whatever their distribution upstream decides onDec 10 12:59
vZS1Control the distribution upstreams and you control usersDec 10 13:01
MinceRdistros don't seem to make it more difficult to build things from source manuallyDec 10 13:03
MinceRusers just don't careDec 10 13:03
MinceRi guess it depends on what it is you're trying to installDec 10 13:05
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SlylyHello. I was wondering one thing about free software... So in order for a software to be `free`, you must be able to run, redistribute, study and modify it.Dec 10 13:48
SlylyHow does that apply to games, specifically multiplayer games. Where modifications to the game code would be cheating.Dec 10 13:48
psydroidit applies to games just the same as it applies to any other softwareDec 10 13:53
MinceRmodifications to the game code are not necessarily cheatingDec 10 13:53
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psydroiddisallowing modifications to games is a social thing imposed by a community (or a company in the case of proprietary games)Dec 10 13:54
Slylythe ability (or disability) to redistribute is also a social thing?Dec 10 13:57
MinceRit's partially legalDec 10 13:58
Slylyin the case of a online competitive game, if the person modified the game how can you tell it was not for getting unfair advantage?Dec 10 13:59
MinceRit can be difficult to tellDec 10 13:59
MinceRand it can depend on how the community sees itDec 10 13:59
Slylyit is easier and cheaper to not allow it to be done.Dec 10 13:59
MinceRbut i'm pretty sure that e.g. Threewave CTF and the original TeamFortress are not cheats :>Dec 10 14:00
Slylyat least in competitive play, I would require a checksum of the binariesDec 10 14:00
MinceRthat can be difficult to verifyDec 10 14:00
MinceRand it's possible to cheat without modifying the gameDec 10 14:00
MinceRe.g. by inspecting its memoryDec 10 14:00
MinceRsome corporations make a business out of pretending that preventing cheating is easy, but it isn'tDec 10 14:01
Slylythat is true. but just because there are other means of cheating, doesn't mean that eliminating another is not productiveDec 10 14:01
MinceReliminating mods would be unproductiveDec 10 14:01
Slylyyou don't need to eliminate mods, only prohibit their use in competitive playDec 10 14:02
MinceRwhat if someone wants to compete in playing a mod?Dec 10 14:02
MinceRhell, there are mods that were created specifically for competitive play, like OSPDec 10 14:02
Slylythats not sofware freedom it is competition guidelines and rules. just like F1 have restricitonsDec 10 14:02
MinceRcompetition guidelines and rules do not constrain what you can do with the software outside competition, so i doubt it would infringe on software freedomDec 10 14:03
MinceRunless you were banned from using it outside competition :>Dec 10 14:04
Slylywell, many games wouldn't exist, not even in a similar fashion if they had to be free software. Becuase the business model wouldn't workDec 10 14:05
MinceRtoo badDec 10 14:06
MinceRthey would be more useful if they were freeDec 10 14:06
MinceRand the community could develop them into something betterDec 10 14:06
Slylyyeah but quality is sometimes costy and the community many times lacks focus. like 0AD it seems it will never leave alphaDec 10 14:08
MinceRXonotic is great thougjhDec 10 14:08
MinceRs/jh/h/Dec 10 14:08
Slylybut how about FFXIV and World of Warcraft. I think they classify more as art than as software hence it is a good reason to have them as closed source. At least their engines should been opensource and freeDec 10 14:10
MinceRmost games are a combination of art and softwareDec 10 14:10
MinceRincluding many free onesDec 10 14:10
MinceRan MMO can be difficult to run as free software thoughDec 10 14:11
MinceRsince part of the challenge is building up stats on someone else's computerDec 10 14:11
MinceR(which is the main reason i'm not interested in MMOs)Dec 10 14:11
Slylyyes, but the artist or commissioner has the choice on whether to share the art for free or not. Like any art. And neigher decision is wrong or right.Dec 10 14:11
MinceRindeedDec 10 14:12
MinceRone way, they're unlikely to get paid well, the other way, their art will be less usefulDec 10 14:12
MinceRafaik Morphed did get paid for making some models for Xonotic thoughDec 10 14:13
SlylyI think there could be a process like the art/game would be proprietary for a length of time. but as they get old they become free.Dec 10 14:13
MinceRid used to do something like thatDec 10 14:13
MinceRbut they're deadDec 10 14:13
MinceRand in their case, only the code became free, the assets didn'tDec 10 14:14
Slylywell, sometimes the assets were bought in way they could not redistribute it as-isDec 10 14:15
Slylyonly derivative works.Dec 10 14:15
MinceRif only derivative works are included in the game, those might be free thenDec 10 14:16
Slylythe game is the derivative work, but giving access to the raw assests would be breaking the contractDec 10 14:16
MinceRwhere would assets (e.g. textures or sound effects) that are derivatives of the original bought assets stand?Dec 10 14:17
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Slylymaybe the assets were already bought as texture and sound effects.Dec 10 14:18
Slylyand just because you crop a image, it does not make it a derivative work. just a partial reproductionDec 10 14:19
Slylyguess there is a blurred line between what's derivative and just mild modificationDec 10 14:20
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MinceRdunno, i'm not a lawyerDec 10 14:21
Slylyguess that's just common sense, you cant claim it is derivative work if you just removed a few pixels and changed the color a bit.Dec 10 14:22
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vZS1Slyly: nobody is stopping people from making proprietary games. I buy games and still support "free software".Dec 10 14:48
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vZS1Slyly: real freedom means the user can decide about what they put on their machines. Proprietary or something like GPL.Dec 10 14:50
vZS1I buy proprietary games but I also support GPL software. They're not mutually exclusiveDec 10 14:51
vZS1Guess you could call it "freedom of choice".Dec 10 14:53
oiaohmvZS1: some games have been more propietary than others there are quite a list of games that were proprietary that don't work at all any more that were only releaed in the last 5 years.Dec 10 14:56
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XRevan86MinceR: huh?Dec 10 16:08
MinceR"ammonia cleaner" -> "i'm only a cleaner"Dec 10 16:08
XRevan86But there's no lDec 10 16:09
MinceRpeople often slur phonemesDec 10 16:10
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XRevan86Could be "I'm owning a cleaner"Dec 10 16:15
MinceRi'm pwning a cleanerDec 10 16:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Facebook Announces Plan To Break Up U.S. Government Before It Becomes Too PowerfulDec 10 16:18
XRevan86I expected "that's what she said", but close enough.Dec 10 16:19
MinceR:)Dec 10 16:20
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vZS1I'm oni, a cleanerDec 10 17:19
vZS1👹Dec 10 17:19
MinceR:>Dec 10 17:20
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DaemonFC[m]James Carville, Bill Clinton's campaign manager in 1992 and 1996, was in New Orleans this year where tons of people were dying of COVID, telling CNN "Nobody's going to vote for four more years of this.".Dec 10 19:22
DaemonFC[m]Nobody voted for 4 seconds of Windows 10 S, so Microsoft made it a "Mode" where it's basically Jerry Daycare.Dec 10 19:22
DaemonFC[m] 10 19:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Jerryboree | Rick and Morty Wiki | FandomDec 10 19:23
liberty_box - "I will spend my days making sure the world knows that REDHAT is a bunch of greedy wankers. I will also completely move away from Centos. And instead, go with a whole new OS. Probably Debian. P.s Screw you RedHat."Dec 10 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CentOS Stream, or Debian? | Jonathan CarterDec 10 19:41
DaemonFC[m]"Black tears“I wasn’t happy with what happened to their KDE SIG,” he said. “One person who has been there from the KDE on Red Hat beginning (Rex Dieter)” got banned, “and [what remains is] a few part timers who mostly use Edge on Windows 10.”"Dec 10 19:45
DaemonFC[m]No, schestowitz , I think I said one person (Rex Dieter) is left.Dec 10 19:45
DaemonFC[m]But the rest is correct.Dec 10 19:46
DaemonFC[m]There's really no IBM interest in KDE at all, except that I was told that they allow Red Hat to kick in some money. But why? How much? For how long?Dec 10 19:46
DaemonFC[m]None of their products use it, or even offer it anymore. If it is theoretically possible to install KDE on RHEL you'd be completely unsupported so there's no businesses who are going to bother. The whole point with corporations is that they're extremely conservative with risk (to themselves) and will not touch something if there's no support contract, whether they need one of not, whether the software actually hasDec 10 19:48
DaemonFC[m]more or fewer bugs than something that doesn't have a support contract.Dec 10 19:48
DaemonFC[m]Red Hat, iirc, threw out KDE as an option right before the IBM merger. Companies that are looking to be acquired cut their expenses to the bone, and letting customers file tickets against two desktop environments when probably 90% took GNOME because it was the default is an "expense" that is "not justified" when you're a CEO.Dec 10 19:49
DaemonFC[m]Ubuntu isn't as hostile to other desktop environments, but they're not supported by Canonical. Dec 10 19:50
DaemonFC[m]The Main repo is supported and it has everything that comes with the Ubuntu spin, including the majority of GNOME.Dec 10 19:50
DaemonFC[m]So when distributions are only offering support contracts and full product lifecycles to GNOME users, people gravitate to GNOME even if they don't like it very much.Dec 10 19:51
DaemonFC[m]I think that's how they managed to rope Linus Torvalds into using it again.Dec 10 19:51
DaemonFC[m]Instead of throwing KDE out, maybe Red Hat should have looked into GNOME bankrupting itself with reverse sexism, trying to bring in female interns by paying them, only them, not men.Dec 10 19:52
DaemonFC[m]In fact, if Red Hat itself did something like that, it would be slapped down so hard when it got into a US courtroom.Dec 10 19:52
DaemonFC[m]The project basically threw all its money away on Outreach to Women instead of investing in the software, and then Red Hat had to bail them out with a cash infusion. That should have been incredibly embarrassing for them, but they committed themselves to GNOME a long time ago and now they have to deal with this disgusting SJW crap where how much you have to do for yourself to get into the software industry depends onDec 10 19:54
DaemonFC[m]whether your sex organs are internal or external.Dec 10 19:54
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DaemonFC[m]Then GNOME ratified a Code of Conduct, after the bailout, where they codified their anti-male and anti-white policies. Dec 10 19:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: So Microsoft is winning the "Cold War" against Linux, not so much with technical sabotage, but letting in the Lunatic Left and Pointy Haired Bosses to destroy it from within.Dec 10 19:57
DaemonFC[m]Despite serious misgivings about the COVID-19 vaccines, I registered to be notified when we can make an appointment.Dec 10 20:05
DaemonFC[m]I noticed that a couple people in the UK had a severe allergic reaction, but they did not say to what component and how many people had gotten the vaccine.Dec 10 20:05
DaemonFC[m]They're just adding a warning to not give it to people who need to carry an EpiPen.Dec 10 20:05
smnthermes 10 20:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | No dog food today - the Linux Foundation annual report | Daniel Lange's blogDec 10 20:27
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schestowitz1,995 us deaths so far, DaemonFC[m]Dec 10 20:42
schestowitzaround midday in CADec 10 20:42
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schestowitztr_guest|27175: hiDec 10 20:44
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schestowitz[19:45] <DaemonFC[m]> No, schestowitz , I think I said one person (Rex Dieter) is left.Dec 10 20:44
schestowitzIt did feel wrongDec 10 20:45
schestowitzwrong nameDec 10 20:45
schestowitzwill fixDec 10 20:45
schestowitzgot Koffler banned,Dec 10 20:45
schestowitzfixedDec 10 20:46
DaemonFC[m]Thanks, I just wanted to point that out since you said people are looking for mistakes to hit you with.Dec 10 21:00
DaemonFC[m]Better that we find them first.Dec 10 21:00
MinceR>whole new   >debianDec 10 21:00
DaemonFC[m]I might redo that hard drive's file system again.Dec 10 21:00
DaemonFC[m]ExFAT really sucks, but it's become the common language between the three major operating systems, with read/write support.Dec 10 21:01
DaemonFC[m]Linux does understand NTFS, but the journaling format is undocumented.Dec 10 21:01
DaemonFC[m]So I don't think Linux updates the journal and it just gets updated the next time you plug it into a Windows system.Dec 10 21:01
DaemonFC[m]That ExFAT FUSE driver was terrible.Dec 10 21:02
MinceRa patent-encumbered "common language". just what we wanted.Dec 10 21:04
DaemonFC[m]I will probably eventually start using an external SSD if the price falls enough.Dec 10 21:04
DaemonFC[m]This hard drive should suffice for a few more years.Dec 10 21:05
MinceRalso, afaik there's no way nor point to updating a journal after the transaction finishedDec 10 21:05
DaemonFC[m]Well, it can become inconsistent and then you have a different problem.Dec 10 21:05
DaemonFC[m]And passing NTFS volumes between different versions of Windows can do that too.Dec 10 21:06
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MinceRtransactions that were made without journaling support will work fine if they can finish and will result in an inconsistent filesystem if they can'tDec 10 21:06
DaemonFC[m]So what to do about those external drives that come formatted NTFS?Dec 10 21:07
DaemonFC[m]Just use them in Linux like that if you need to share data with a Windows system?Dec 10 21:07
DaemonFC[m]I think the read/write driver is FUSE. Blecth.Dec 10 21:10
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DaemonFC[m]The major point of an external hard drive is backing up huge files that I can't fit on the SSD.Dec 10 21:13
DaemonFC[m]I've noticed that, in general, compressing video game folders has been netting me about a 15% space savings on average.Dec 10 21:13
DaemonFC[m]Obviously, there's no reason to compress the entire game folder structure, but most of them separate the MP3s or whatever that won't compress well into their own folder.Dec 10 21:14
DaemonFC[m]I noticed that Windows Update doesn't bother bringing your Intel chipset and graphics drivers up to anything current and puts them under optional updates instead.Dec 10 21:16
DaemonFC[m]Intel released new graphics drivers specifically for Windows 10 20H2 and it brings huge performance improvements and new hardware decode profiles that Windows doesn't even bother to install if you just leave it alone.Dec 10 21:17
schestowitzvZS1: Dec 10 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-German Court Orders Encrypted Email Service Tutanota To Backdoor One Account | TechdirtDec 10 21:22
MinceR10 220726 < DaemonFC[m]> So what to do about those external drives that come formatted NTFS? Dec 10 21:27
MinceRi reformat them to ext4Dec 10 21:27
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schestowitz"Dec 10 21:44
schestowitzNew puff piece in les echosDec 10 21:44
schestowitzDear Roy,Dec 10 21:44
schestowitzI have discovered a new puff piece in the official fake news partner of the epo.Dec 10 21:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Brevets : la France sur le podium européen de la nouvelle révolution industrielle | Les EchosDec 10 21:44
schestowitzWhile the redhead drug addict oppresses the staff, he plays the hero in the press. The Germans would call his behaviour "Selbstbefriedigung".Dec 10 21:44
schestowitzBest regards,Dec 10 21:44
schestowitz"Dec 10 21:44
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vZS1schestowitz: no surprise thereDec 10 22:06
schestowitzwriting about it nowDec 10 22:12
schestowitzthis is press/urgentDec 10 22:12
schestowitzmedia blackoutDec 10 22:12
schestowitzif I can still use that termDec 10 22:12
schestowitzwe're the only one covering these scandalsDec 10 22:12
schestowitzso we get all the leaks, we earned trustDec 10 22:12
vZS1schestowitz: I was referring to the email service news item. BtwDec 10 22:40
vZS1Good to see more whistleblowing coming in from EPO staffDec 10 22:41
schestowitzit is published nowDec 10 22:43
schestowitzthe above was too rawDec 10 22:43
schestowitzedited a bitDec 10 22:43
XRevan86schestowitz: I'm puzzled by you mentioning Android 2.x regarding Let's Encrypt moving to their own root certificate from the soon to be expired IdenTrust's one.Dec 10 22:44
XRevan86schestowitz: There's no contemporary encryption their anyway, it's not like it can make use of TLS at all.Dec 10 22:45
schestowitz CIPA President. Amplifying patent litigation extremists from CIPA, who actively promote what's illegal and unconstitutional for financial gain while public supporting criminalsDec 10 22:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ViCo for Oral Proceedings at the EPO – CIPA’s view - Kluwer Patent BlogDec 10 22:49
schestowitzXRevan86: maybe more recent fail as wellDec 10 22:49
schestowitzlike android 5-7Dec 10 22:49
schestowitzandroid has a release version/bum inflation almost every yearDec 10 22:50
schestowitzand let's assume people people can make calls on 10-20 year old phonesDec 10 22:50
schestowitzif they're even made to last that long anymoreDec 10 22:50
XRevan86schestowitz: Android 5.0-7.0 are affected and relevant, yes.Dec 10 22:51
XRevan86schestowitz: But it's Android in general that is designed in such a way that things like ca-certificates cannot be updated without tools like Magisk.Dec 10 22:54
XRevan86They've introduced APEX, maybe in the future they'll use that magical hack to update them, who knows.Dec 10 22:55
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