●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, March 11, 2022 ●●
● Mar 11
[00:00]	schestowitz-TR2	mixed that with the cats' liter
[00:00]	schestowitz-TR2	(litter
[00:00]	schestowitz-TR2	it'll make you strong like a rock
[00:00]	DaemonFC	Smart like bear.
[00:01]	psydroid8	medved vs vedmid
[00:01]	psydroid8	ok, that's a bit subtle
[00:02]	psydroid8	Russian bear vs Ukrainian bear
[00:02]	DaemonFC	The Senate is saying they won't pass the Russian sanctions bill the House passed unless the mandate to get Russia out of the WTO is put back in.
[00:02]	DaemonFC	I don't know how the WTO works exactly but I think we should do whatever we can to get Russia booted out of it.
[00:03]	DaemonFC	They deserve nothing after this. Absolutely nothing.
[00:04]	DaemonFC	They deserve to have Putin go explain himself about how their standard of living has been halved overnight so he can get thousands of Russians killed claiming the "Donestk People's Republic".
[00:04]	psydroid8	whenever you look at Moronix now it's all Intel, AMD and Microsoft
[00:04]	DaemonFC	I think that Russia should only qualify to have any sanctions lifted once three things have happened.
[00:05]	TR News	"I learned about the Gemini protocol last week. I don't know why, but the idea seemed very appealing to me. I like the idea of a simpler network where you don't feel like you're being tracked and monitored all of the time." gemini://jfh.me/posts/2020-11-01-melchior.gmi
[00:05]	schestowitz-TR2	psydroid8: they did directx yesterday
[00:05]	DaemonFC	It's military is gone from Ukraine, entirely. Putin is gone and free elections have happened inside Russia. Russia agrees to pay reparations to Ukraine for the destruction of property, the deaths, and the pain and suffering.
[00:05]	DaemonFC	*Its
[00:06]	DaemonFC	Obviously, that's not all going to happen soon and some of it may never happen.
[00:06]	schestowitz-TR2	same as USA
[00:06]	schestowitz-TR2	in any nation that it destroyed
[00:06]	DaemonFC	Obviously, no amount of money will compensate for lives taken.
[00:07]	DaemonFC	But I think they ought to have to pay something.
[00:07]	psydroid8	I think DaemonFC was referring to MorphOS when talking about a PowerPC-specific OS
[00:07]	psydroid8	which is indeed curious
[00:07]	DaemonFC	The countries that have managed to freeze Russian assets should liquidate them and pay the proceeds to Ukraine as soon as they can.
[00:07]	psydroid8	why would you keep it PPC-only?
[00:07]	psydroid8	because IBM says so?
[00:08]	DaemonFC	MorphOS could have a HAL that allows it to be easily ported to x86 or most anything really.
[00:08]	DaemonFC	If you abstract everything you just end up writing a porting layer behind that and you don't need to screw around with the generic bits too much.
[00:09]	schestowitz-TR2	but who do you think is fascinated by this OS?
[00:09]	schestowitz-TR2	and would install it...
[00:10]	DaemonFC	I don't know. I just think it's a lousy idea to tie anything to one CPU architecture.
[00:10]	psydroid8	Michael Powerlarabel, of course
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[00:10]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 67.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 275.78
[00:10]	DaemonFC	Consider everything that will be lost when x86 isn't remembered by anyone anymore and some applications were written to heavily depend on it.
[00:11]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 67.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 275.78
[00:11]	psydroid8	x86 is the new VAX
[00:11]	psydroid8	once ubiquitous and then suddenly not remembered by anyone
[00:11]	TR News	"For my eleventh birthday my parents gave me a Raspberry Pi. I liked Scratch and was interested in computers previously so it was a great present. I remember it took me a few minutes to figure out what this circuit board thing really was." gemini://calcuode.com/gemlog/2020-11-21_how-i-found-out-about-foss.gmi
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[00:14]	TR Bot	 Now Hiring! Project Coordinator | Inkscape
[00:17]	TR News	The 'other' GPL suffers from Russia's invasion of Ukraine https://demerarawaves.com/2022/03/07/russia-ukraine-war-spirals-gpls-fuel-bill-causing-extremely-challenging-and-unsustainable-position/
[00:17]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: demerarawaves.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://demerarawaves.com/2022/03/07/russia-ukraine-war-spirals-gpls-fuel-bill-causing-extremely-challenging-and-unsustainable-position/
[00:17]	TR Bot	 Russia-Ukraine war spirals GPLs fuel bill causing extremely challenging and unsustainable position Demerara Waves Online News- Guyana
[00:19]	TR News	This is not improving the Web, it's making it worse; they're colluding to control it (and they already control it; see the past fortnight's events) https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/07/interop-2022-apple-google-microsoft-and-mozilla-collaboration/
[00:19]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: ghacks.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/07/interop-2022-apple-google-microsoft-and-mozilla-collaboration/
[00:19]	TR Bot	 Apple, Google, Microsoft and Mozilla are working together to improve web development standards - gHacks Tech News
[00:20]	TR News	The criminals from Microsoft targets the kids in Nigeria, pushing malware to them https://techbuild.africa/elev8-microsoft-nigerias-software-development/
[00:20]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: techbuild.africa | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://techbuild.africa/elev8-microsoft-nigerias-software-development/
[00:20]	TR Bot	 Elev8 Partners Microsoft To Transform Nigeria's Software Development Sector
[00:20]	TR News	MSP = Microsoft Scheme Pyramid
[00:22]	TR News	Old: "we'd all be running FreeBSD, maybe even on our desktops" LOL, nope... (also: it's called GNU, and it predates "modern" Windows) https://www.infoworld.com/article/2616083/a-world-without-linux--where-would-apache--microsoft----even-apple-be-today-.html
[00:22]	TR Bot	world without Linux: Where would Apache, Microsoft -- even Apple be today? | InfoWorld
[00:23]	TR News	I'm hearing from more and more people who quit Twitter and Facebook. Excellent! It's easier than these companies lead you to believe...
[00:23]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, One of the "benefits" of Walmart+ (which costs $98 a year) is "scan and go", but you scan the items with your phone and then go show a self-checkout register your phone. This is fucking retarded.
[00:23]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: marisol cannot fling emoji plates over FB
[00:23]	DaemonFC	So I can pay $98 to scan with my phone and I still have to go bag everything and pay for it at a self-checkout?
[00:24]	DaemonFC	This saves no time at all.
[00:24]	schestowitz-TR2	lol, yes
[00:24]	schestowitz-TR2	and if you make an error, it's all on you
[00:24]	DaemonFC	While the police are busy dogpiling on you and pepper spray you in the eyes.
[00:24]	DaemonFC	:)
[00:24]	schestowitz-TR2	same with bank
[00:24]	schestowitz-TR2	better to go there physically sometimes
[00:24]	DaemonFC	Don't forget that. That's one of the benefits of Walmart+ too.
[00:24]	schestowitz-TR2	banks: "IT"S EASIER ONLINE"
[00:25]	schestowitz-TR2	Easier for WHO?
[00:25]	DaemonFC	Banks: It's easier with an app. Also, the app: "Here's 30 tracking libraries and a weird error message from the server mentioning something about JAVA exceptions."
[00:25]	DaemonFC	Also the bank: *Fires everyone.*
[00:25]	DaemonFC	Based.
[00:26]	schestowitz-TR2	ha
[00:26]	schestowitz-TR2	well, here's the thing
[00:26]	schestowitz-TR2	the people they fired
[00:26]	schestowitz-TR2	probably do not know how to us "the APP" either
[00:26]	schestowitz-TR2	but they knew hos to get these things done very quickly and accurately on their bank terminals
[00:26]	schestowitz-TR2	so maybe rehire them
[00:27]	schestowitz-TR2	some for checkout workrs at shops
[00:27]	schestowitz-TR2	they know the UI very well and have very good equipment
[00:27]	schestowitz-TR2	none of that "put one coin at a time" :-)
[00:27]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: next up, self-service flights
[00:27]	schestowitz-TR2	it's a lot cheaper
[00:27]	schestowitz-TR2	you have a touchscreen in the cockpit
[00:28]	schestowitz-TR2	next after that
[00:28]	schestowitz-TR2	doctor's
[00:28]	schestowitz-TR2	"here's your ultrasound machine"
[00:28]	schestowitz-TR2	it shows you on the screen what to do"
[00:28]	schestowitz-TR2	and don't use too much gel!!
[00:29]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, Some teller at the bank told me it's easier to deposit a check with an app.
[00:29]	DaemonFC	I says to the guy, I says....
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR2	yeah, right
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR2	assuming
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR2	1) you did it many times before
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR2	2) it all works pefectly
[00:29]	DaemonFC	"You realize you're recommending that I help put you out of a job with an app that barely works, right?"
[00:29]	DaemonFC	He stares blankly for a second.
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR2	they are COMMANDED to tell you this lie
[00:29]	DaemonFC	"Corporate makes us say this."
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR2	in Tesco a manager told off a worker for serving us
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR2	we  left in protes
[00:29]	schestowitz-TR2	left ALL the things there
[00:30]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: jobs market nlooks good though
[00:30]	schestowitz-TR2	workers get 10 hours a week
[00:31]	schestowitz-TR2	2 hours commute, 2 hours work
[00:31]	DaemonFC	Half the jobs that were lost came back.
[00:31]	DaemonFC	Best jobs market ever.
[00:31]	schestowitz-TR2	and the job creators create machines
[00:31]	schestowitz-TR2	(made in chian actually)
[00:31]	DaemonFC	Every recession, half the jobs that that recession lost come back.
[00:31]	DaemonFC	"Best recovery on record!"
[00:31]	schestowitz-TR2	(in sweatshops)
[00:31]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, Better.com
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: [12:29] <techrights-news> Since COVID-19 started over 10 TRILLION dollars PUMPED into the economy in the form of debt the US population cannot repay. The oligarchs bagged most of that money. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gzXs3EdlbzY
[00:32]	TR Bot	 Jim Rogers Issues Warning: U.S. Dollar Being Used as Instrument of War," Its the Endgame - Invidious
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR2	watch the video
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR2	he mentions the US economy collapsing
[00:32]	DaemonFC	900 people fired over Zoom followed by 3,000 fired with severance checks hitting the bank account before management said anything about it.
[00:32]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, There's obviously another mortgage crisis out there right now.
[00:33]	DaemonFC	Banks have quietly seized up on lending in various ways.
[00:33]	schestowitz-TR2	later this year it'll implode again
[00:33]	DaemonFC	Including lowering everyone's credit score even though the factors didn't change.
[00:33]	schestowitz-TR2	back to 'default', not "normal"
[00:33]	schestowitz	today http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/10/raw-nhs-numbers/
[00:33]	TR Bot	Blog Archive The COVID-19 Surge in the United Kingdom (Raw NHS Numbers)
[00:33]	DaemonFC	Almost everyone I talk to says their credit score went down between 20-40 points recently even though they pay their bills.
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[00:33]	schestowitz-TR2	we're being overrun again
[00:33]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, This makes less people qualify for a mortgage.
[00:33]	DaemonFC	But they don't have to say this is what they do.
[00:34]	DaemonFC	They sneak the credit scores down even if nothing changes about you. Even if your "factors" improve a bit.
[00:34]	DaemonFC	They change the rules depending on how much they feel like lending money in the macroeconomic picture.
[00:34]	DaemonFC	Not everything is about you. :)
[00:35]	DaemonFC	Most of your FICO score is you, but they change risk parameters behind the scenes and don't explain exactly their rationale. It's a cartel. The government allows it. Why explain anything to you?
[00:35]	DaemonFC	It's a software program they sell to the banks.
[00:35]	DaemonFC	Before the late 1980s almost none of the banks used it.
[00:35]	TR News	175126 page requests in gemini capsule of techrights in past 10 days. That's 17,5k a day. Over gemini:// alone. This isn't a niche anymore.
[00:36]	DaemonFC	Since they adopted it, we've had several major recessions including the first and third worst in American history.
[00:36]	DaemonFC	So obviously they're getting a lot for their money with the software.
[00:36]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: thjey blasted beijing for this
[00:36]	schestowitz-TR2	the hypocrisy willk not age well
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: I get spammed a lot with loan offers
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR2	they tends to stop during lockdowns
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR2	a
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR2	and then it resumed
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR2	about once every month
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR2	hey, psydroid8, maybe I should take a loan and buld a datacentre at home like microlarabel
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR2	or maybe I can do dozen of spam pieces about clear linux, which nobody uses, and hope Intel will supply the components
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR2	only assembly required
[00:39]	TR News	Kali Unkaputtbar Brings File System Snapshots to Btrfs-Based Kali Linux Systems Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162412
[00:39]	TR Bot	 Kali Unkaputtbar Brings File System Snapshots to Btrfs-Based Kali Linux Systems | Tux Machines
[00:41]	TR News	why use gemini? gemini://nytpu.com/why-gemini.gmi "If Gemini had no benefits other than being private it would have very few users indeed."
[00:41]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR2> DaemonFC: I get spammed a lot with loan offers
[00:42]	DaemonFC	Mandy keeps getting offers from a Payday Loan company.
[00:42]	DaemonFC	Those went away after the state passed a usury law.
[00:42]	TR News	"Gemini pages are just raw text with no styling to them at all (other than semantic elements like quotes, headers, bullets), they leave all the styling up to the user. Want all your pages to look exactly the same, with a flat black background and white text? Definitely!" gemini://nytpu.com/why-gemini.gmi
[00:42]	DaemonFC	They used to just charge ignorant (and mostly black, if we're speaking honestly) people 1500% interest on a $500 loan until it charged off.
[00:42]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: there is a name for such companies
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR2	"bullishit jobs"
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR2	it does not refer to apple cofounder
[00:43]	DaemonFC	Then it doesn't matter if they pay it back because you can sell the rights to collect for $2,500 to a collection agency.
[00:43]	psydroid8	there is a huge economy based on "bullshit jobs"
[00:44]	DaemonFC	Yeah, they didn't care if you paid it back. So they'd give a loan to anyone.
[00:44]	schestowitz-TR2	we have autoimation
[00:44]	schestowitz-TR2	but the salaries have no increases
[00:44]	DaemonFC	It's basically a loan shark operation.
[00:44]	schestowitz-TR2	so the surplus is filled up with BS
[00:44]	DaemonFC	When the state capped maximum interest at 36%, those stores started closing down.
[00:44]	schestowitz-TR2	*not increased
[00:44]	DaemonFC	The model of floating a $500 loan to someone at 36% without caring about whether they pay it back doesn't work as well.
[00:45]	DaemonFC	So they choose their victims more carefully.
[00:45]	psydroid8	imagine a future in which there will only be jobs for 10% of the working population
[00:45]	schestowitz-TR2	they target the mopst desperate
[00:45]	schestowitz-TR2	like people wishing not to be evicated
[00:45]	schestowitz-TR2	*evicted
[00:45]	DaemonFC	Or the car just broke down.
[00:45]	psydroid8	what are the 90% going to do
[00:45]	schestowitz-TR2	or having to pay some medical bill
[00:45]	schestowitz-TR2	while at risk of dying
[00:45]	schestowitz-TR2	or pay for a coffin
[00:45]	DaemonFC	The "debtors education" (Have you tried not being poor?) part of bankruptcy goes over payday loans and how they're terrible.
[00:46]	schestowitz-TR2	[00:45] <psydroid8> what are the 90% going to do
[00:46]	DaemonFC	Like you didn't know that already.
[00:46]	schestowitz-TR2	maining fakecoins
[00:46]	schestowitz-TR2	*mining browser tabs with JS
[00:47]	TR News	"People that say Gemini doesnt have images strike me as people that dont understand how the internet works, but Ill humor them and explain it here. No internet protocol today has images native in its format (discounting base64-encoded stuff shoved into the page), not HTML, not discord, not ActivityPub." gemini://nytpu.com/why-gemini.gmi
[00:47]	DaemonFC	You're in bankruptcy court over the payday loans, or the medical bills, or the credit cards, or whatever, most likely because they saw a guy making minimum wage and bogged him down with debt, and there's no way out of minimum wage for most people so now your bank is rupted.
[00:48]	DaemonFC	But they try to shame you for "failing".
[00:49]	DaemonFC	"You probably bought like 6 TVs and some trips to Disney World while all this was going on, didn't you, you sly bastard? No? Well, we'll act like that's how you got here, like it's how most people get here. Sure we could say 70% is hospital bills alone, but that would be telling the truth when we can shove a fucking fantasy document in your face."
[00:49]	DaemonFC	"And we're the government so that's not really our bag.....baby."
[00:50]	schestowitz	https://www.freep.com/in-depth/news/local/michigan/2022/02/25/detroit-zoo-penguin-exhibit/6894786001/
[00:50]	TR Bot	 Detroit Free Press
[00:50]	schestowitz	great use of energy
[00:50]	schestowitz	snow machines
[00:50]	DaemonFC	The first human patient to get a pig heart transplanted died two months later.
[00:50]	DaemonFC	And he was only 57.
[00:50]	DaemonFC	Why would a 57 year old who may live another 40 years get a pig heart and agree to be experimented on?
[00:50]	schestowitz	I saw that
[00:50]	DaemonFC	Probably had crap insurance.
[00:50]	schestowitz	mentioned in IRC earlier
[00:50]	schestowitz	[09:36] <techrights-news> Should have left that heart with the pig that owned it https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-got-heart-transplant-pig-dies-2-months-later-rcna19315
[00:50]	TR Bot	 Man who got heart transplant from pig dies 2 months later
[00:51]	DaemonFC	The only way to get any heart is to sign up for the pig heart and hope for a few years.
[00:51]	schestowitz	PigLivesMatter?
[00:51]	DaemonFC	Then they know if it's safe for the important people, with money, or at least insurance.
[00:51]	schestowitz	they genetically 'engineer' these pigs 
[00:51]	schestowitz	and as piglets they are adorable
[00:52]	schestowitz	then they kill them for experiments
[00:52]	schestowitz	we already have almost 8 billion humans
[00:52]	DaemonFC	If you can save people by growing pigs for hearts, why not?
[00:52]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: well, the rich can have it
[00:52]	schestowitz	no mutation required
[00:52]	schestowitz	you can put a pig's heart into a human pig
[00:52]	DaemonFC	Most people EAT pigs that died so that the energy they give from eating them keeps them alive for a day or so.
[00:52]	DaemonFC	You run off the pork chops for another day and then you need more food.
[00:53]	DaemonFC	God designed us very well. Our bodies waste 90% of the energy they consume.
[00:53]	DaemonFC	Then you constantly need more fuel.
[00:53]	DaemonFC	It's the H3 Hummer.
[00:53]	MinceR	lol
[00:54]	schestowitz	orban went under the knife
[00:54]	schestowitz	they asked, "which one is the pig?"
[00:55]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/1709165
[00:55]	schestowitz	eventually they put the transplant inside the real pig
[00:55]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.imgur.com/ya5pCqY.jpg created on 2017-09-16 01:59:35.966705
[00:55]	schestowitz	and then they ate orban
[00:55]	MinceR	and on the photo description, "Comrade Orban (on the left)"
[00:55]	schestowitz	white mink cat
[00:56]	schestowitz	MinceR: cremated
[00:56]	schestowitz	unlike putin
[00:56]	schestowitz	they made putin vanish by performing an enema on him 
[00:57]	MinceR	:>
[00:58]	TR News	Roof over one's head... in "developed" country https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/gentoo-easington-lane-repairs-storm-23185150
[00:58]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/gentoo-easington-lane-repairs-storm-23185150 )
[00:59]	TR News	"I said we are DEVELOPED... I did NOT say were we also DEBUGGED and TESTED"
● Mar 11
[01:00]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: did you watch the video?
[01:00]	schestowitz-TR2	he mentions shopping surveillance
[01:00]	schestowitz-TR2	around 15 mins from the start
[01:00]	schestowitz-TR2	my dad sent it to me in the morning
[01:01]	schestowitz	Wow. amzing, only 2 covid deaths in FL yesterday
[01:01]	schestowitz	out of 1,421 in the US
[01:01]	schestowitz	FL must be.... governed by Republican liars
[01:01]	schestowitz	those million senior citizens are cruising it!
[01:02]	DaemonFC	Oh no, I was busy finishing dinner and chucking some garbage.
[01:03]	DaemonFC	I've started using Walmart bags and empty boxes stuff came in for garbage to get rid of them without just throwing them in the trash too.
[01:03]	DaemonFC	Box it up, stack it next to the door. Carry it back out to the dumpster.
[01:04]	DaemonFC	Did I mention garbage bags went up too? They want you to pay like $30 a year just for something to put their excess packaging in.
[01:04]	DaemonFC	Then we need more oil for the bags, and then Pootie Poot wins again, or something.
[01:05]	schestowitz-TR2	reuse them
[01:05]	schestowitz-TR2	you can use a decent bags 10-20 times
[01:05]	schestowitz-TR2	*bag
[01:06]	DaemonFC	Yeah, Walmart won vs. those bag tax laws in most cases.
[01:06]	DaemonFC	They propped up a "plastic bag lobbying group" to convince people their used shopping bags are too gross to use again.
[01:06]	DaemonFC	I mean, maybe if it had meat in it, chuck it, but for the most part, you can use 90-95% of your bags again.
[01:07]	schestowitz-TR2	in the past there were no plastic bags
[01:07]	schestowitz-TR2	you use much better bags
[01:07]	schestowitz-TR2	sometimes you washed
[01:07]	schestowitz-TR2	ahand-washing was common
[01:07]	schestowitz-TR2	you can also use a hose
[01:08]	schestowitz-TR2	they are nicer to hold
[01:08]	schestowitz-TR2	and can hold up more weight
[01:09]	schestowitz-TR2	you can recognise them from a distane
[01:11]	TR News	EARN-IT threatens encryption and therefore user freedom Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162413
[01:11]	TR News	GNU Jitter and GCC: the fun of playing with fire Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162414
[01:11]	TR Bot	 EARN-IT threatens encryption and therefore user freedom | Tux Machines
[01:11]	TR Bot	 GNU Jitter and GCC: the fun of playing with fire | Tux Machines
[01:13]	TR News	"Nothing ever really becomes "obsolete", just increasingly niche. Vinyl records are a great example of this. In terms of practicality, there's no reason for vinyl to exist anymore. But that hasn't stopped the people who have helped it make a comeback in recent years." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2021-10-29-re-compact-discs-is-obsolete-technology-obsolete.gmi
[01:13]	TR News	IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162415
[01:13]	TR Bot	 IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
[01:15]	TR News	"There's not much to explain here but the main idea is that a majority of the internet activity you see is driven by bots. This one I think is to some extent one of the more believable ones on the list. One recent report I found estimates that bots are responsible for around 40% of all web traffic." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2021-12-23-conspiracy-theories.gmi
[01:18]	TR News	UK "Registered corporations are what we now call companies. One act of Parliament, since roughly the 1850s, has allowed a government official to create new companies. The current law on this is the Companies Act 2006." gemini://gemini.ucant.org/gemlog/2021-08-30_uk_legal_forms.gmi
[01:21]	TR News	"South African influencer"... that term, 'influencer', is becoming obnoxious nonsense https://www.kossyderrickent.com/2022/03/photos-rapper-zola-7-dlamini-visits-and.html
[01:21]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: kossyderrickent.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.kossyderrickent.com/2022/03/photos-rapper-zola-7-dlamini-visits-and.html
[01:21]	TR Bot	 PHOTOS: Rapper, Zola 7 Dlamini, visits and spends time with Dr. Shauwn 'MaMkhize' Mkhize and her son, Andile Mpisane, at their mansion
[01:22]	TR News	Buying the Zorin OS 16.1 Pro Linux-based operating system can help Ukraine http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162392#comment-33027
[01:22]	TR Bot	 Zorin OS 16.1 is Here, Creators to Donate All Profits from Zorin OS Pro to Aid Ukraine | Tux Machines
[01:25]	TR News	A couple of weeks from now it'll be 2 YEARS since lockdowns began. And the UK has a new COVID SURGE: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/category/health/
[01:25]	TR Bot	Health
[01:26]	TR News	"First they came for the right-wingers But I did not speak up, for I was not a right-winger Then they came for the left-wingers As everyone had predicted" gemini://gemini.ucant.org/gemlog/2020-12-28_niemoeller.gmi
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[01:29]	TR News	The Gemini mailing list is fully archived, but why are they not bringing that back? gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2021-12-31.gmi
[01:30]	TR News	Gemini is for photographs too, e.g. (cats) for MinceR gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/
[01:32]	TR News	This headline is a lie and this report is a face https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-top-1000-open-source-libraries/ Microsoft propaganda, brought to you by 'Linux' Foundation http://techrights.org/2022/03/07/marketing-with-microsoft-npm/
[01:32]	TR Bot	top 1,000 open-source libraries | ZDNet
[01:32]	TR Bot	 The Studies of Linux Foundation Research Based on Data From Microsoft and Experts in Adobe, Not Open Source | Techrights
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[01:33]	TR News	Texas v. Meta: Collection of Biometric Information Targeted in Suit https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2022/03/07/texas-v-meta-collection-of-biometric-information-targeted-in-suit/
[01:33]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: law.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2022/03/07/texas-v-meta-collection-of-biometric-information-targeted-in-suit/
[01:33]	TR Bot	v. Meta: Collection of Biometric Information Targeted in Suit | New York Law Journal
[01:36]	TR News	Borisnaro was born in New York, writes for New York Times. And he governs another country. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/opinion/boris-johnson-russia-putin-ukraine-war.html
[01:36]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/opinion/boris-johnson-russia-putin-ukraine-war.html
[01:36]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Boris Johnson: Russia's War on Ukraine Must Fail - The New York Times
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[01:39]	TR News	"Cloudflare uses lava lamps, aka LavaRand, to generate random numbers for its encryption." But clownflare is a surveillance company. Surely some marketing gimmick of theirs. https://thenewstack.io/silkworm-encryption/
[01:39]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: thenewstack.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thenewstack.io/silkworm-encryption/
[01:39]	TR Bot	 Silkworm Encryption The New Stack
[01:41]	TR News	Has Jason Evangelho been brought back just to issue DRM marketing spam for Valve? https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/
[01:41]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: forbes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/
[01:41]	TR Bot	 Jason Evangelho - The Game Technician
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[01:43]	schestowitz-TR2	hmmm
[01:44]	schestowitz-TR2	he left
[01:44]	schestowitz-TR2	just when I mentioned Jason Evangelho
[01:44]	schestowitz-TR2	one of the 4 steam shills
[01:44]	schestowitz-TR2	I reckon he's one of them
[01:50]	TR News	Typical openwashing garbage and FUD from VMware; "VMware Tanzu sponsored this article for The New Stack." https://thenewstack.io/how-an-ospo-can-help-secure-your-software-supply-chain/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware#2020
[01:50]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: thenewstack.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thenewstack.io/how-an-ospo-can-help-secure-your-software-supply-chain/
[01:50]	TR Bot	 How an OSPO Can Help Secure Your Software Supply Chain The New Stack
[01:50]	TR Bot	 VMware - Techrights
[01:51]	TR News	#openwashing of a DRM villain https://www.protocol.com/enterprise/how-netflix-and-uber-helped-create-the-data-lakehouse-by-preserving-an-open-source-tradition
[01:51]	TR Bot	tech from Netflix became Dremios data lakehouse - Protocol
[01:52]	TR News	"A standard XII boy from Bengaluru has been chosen to be a part of a climate change expedition to Antarctica. The Climate Force Antarctic Expedition is scheduled for March 17-28. Organisers said the expedition will be more than just carbon neutral but in fact carbon negative." https://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/bangalore/others/journey-to-save-planet/articleshow/90109133.cms
[01:52]	TR Bot	 Journey to save planet
[01:54]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/11/ebay-is-excessively-hostile-to-vpn-users-customer-service-hangs-up-on-me/
[01:55]	TR Bot	 eBay is excessively hostile to VPN users. Customer service hangs up on me. BaronHK's Rants
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[02:04]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: I think I know who attacked me
[02:04]	schestowitz-TR2	or I narrowed that down to 3 people
[02:04]	schestowitz-TR2	I am doing a post about it
[02:05]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/11/the-dumbest-feature-of-walmart-and-a-banking-app-joke/
[02:05]	TR Bot	 The dumbest feature of Walmart+ and a banking app joke. BaronHK's Rants
[02:06]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, Goolag....Matt Goolag......"lights a joint"
[02:06]	DaemonFC	"I love San Francisco. For ten times the national cost of living I can be around all of the people who 'get it'."
[02:07]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/jason-evangelho-influencer/
[02:07]	TR Bot	 It Smells Like Marketing Not Journalism When Almost 100% of the Articles From Jason Evangelho, Senior Contributor at Forbes, Are About the Same Topic | Techrights
[02:07]	schestowitz	can you spot typos?
[02:08]	schestowitz	valve seems to be running some infeluence operations in gulagtube and elsewhere
[02:08]	schestowitz	so I may have struck a nerve
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[02:12]	DaemonFC	I wonder how he feels about stepping out of his $4,000 quarter-of-an-apartment and right into some human shit because that's what the bums do there.
[02:12]	DaemonFC	After a brief stroll down the sidewalk, littered in heroin needles, he reaches the open sores conference.
[02:12]	TR News	It Smells Like Marketing - Not Journalism - When Almost 100% of the Articles From Jason Evangelho, Senior Contributor at Forbes, Are About the Same Topic | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/jason-evangelho-influencer/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/10/jason-evangelho-influencer/
[02:14]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, SteamOS is based on Arch now. They were based on Debian....without security updates....running the drivers that time forgot.
[02:14]	DaemonFC	It could have hardly gotten worse.
[02:15]	DaemonFC	From what I heard, they would just let it sit there and rot, and they wouldn't bother to even pretend to care about Intel or AMD graphics. Just the Nvidia blob.
[02:15]	DaemonFC	And you wouldn't even get security patches from upstream Debian.
[02:15]	DaemonFC	So it's like, why would you bother?
[02:15]	DaemonFC	You can install Steam on Debian and at least keep the drivers and security patches current.
[02:15]	TR News	eBay is excessively hostile to VPN users. Customer disservice hangs up on me. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/11/ebay-is-excessively-hostile-to-vpn-users-customer-service-hangs-up-on-me/
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: ebay is not for anonimity
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR2	for a number of reasons
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR2	other than the digital (tracked) payments
[02:16]	schestowitz-TR2	if you want privacy when you shop, us ethis thing called legs
[02:17]	TR News	It Smells Like Marketing - Not Journalism - When Almost 100% of the Articles From Jason Evangelho, Senior Contributor at Forbes, Are About the Same Topic | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/jason-evangelho-influencer/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/10/jason-evangelho-influencer/
[02:18]	TR News	todays hjowtos Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162416
[02:18]	TR Bot	 today's hjowtos | Tux Machines
[02:18]	TR News	Games: Mostly Steam Deck Fluff Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162417
[02:18]	TR News	FreeBSD Quarterly Status Report 4th Quarter 2021 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162418
[02:18]	TR Bot	 Games: Mostly Steam Deck Fluff | Tux Machines
[02:19]	TR Bot	 FreeBSD Quarterly Status Report 4th Quarter 2021 | Tux Machines
[02:19]	MinceR	my legs don't have the dexterity required to handle cash :(
[02:20]	batalie	i usually handle cash with my fingers
[02:20]	MinceR	yeah, but schestowitz-TR2 you're supposed to use legs if you want privacy
[02:20]	schestowitz-TR2	but they have your fingerprints
[02:20]	schestowitz-TR2	not your toe-prints l;-)
[02:20]	batalie	cash has everybody's fingerprints
[02:20]	batalie	haha
[02:21]	MinceR	s/2/2 said/
[02:23]	kingoffrance	yes, germaphobes fear cash for this reason
[02:23]	kingoffrance	have to wash all those coins, dont touch
[02:24]	kingoffrance	this could be a strange rpg   <scan spell>   <germaphobe fears money!>
[02:25]	schestowitz-TR2	wait till they find out the germs are everywhere
[02:25]	schestowitz-TR2	even inside their bodies
[02:25]	schestowitz-TR2	the food they handle is full of germs
[02:27]	DaemonFC	Cash is filthy. Here, use a new cryptodollar.
[02:27]	schestowitz-TR2	safety
[02:27]	schestowitz-TR2	health
[02:27]	schestowitz-TR2	fitness
[02:27]	schestowitz-TR2	the three pillars of BS
[02:27]	DaemonFC	It's like the faketokens only the US government can trace them better and hyperinflate it.
[02:27]	schestowitz-TR2	to introduce oppressive new masures
[02:28]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, I'm going to shop at Aldi more.
[02:28]	DaemonFC	They outsourced the pickup and delivery to Instacart.
[02:28]	DaemonFC	So they're not even on the hook to figure out how to spread the suffering around with price hikes to people who go in and shop.
[02:29]	schestowitz-TR2	here they raise the rpcie too
[02:29]	schestowitz-TR2	my cheese rose like 25% in price since covid started
[02:29]	DaemonFC	All I want are some goddamned eggs without seeing the price go up another dollar every time I'm in there so they can do this dumbshit Walmart+.
[02:29]	DaemonFC	You know that's part of the problem right?
[02:30]	DaemonFC	They make you subsidize the people on Walmart+ with higher prices for everyone.
[02:30]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, I went into Walmart today and most of the reciept is just marked down meat to freeze.
[02:31]	DaemonFC	I found some really good deals on ribeyes and grass-fed ground beef.
[02:31]	DaemonFC	For a while, there were no markdowns really.
[02:31]	DaemonFC	Then gas shot up and they have excess meat again.
[02:31]	DaemonFC	Then they have to mark it down.
[02:32]	TR News	Links 11/3/2022: IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 164, FSF Opposes EARN-IT | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/fsf-opposes-earn-it/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/10/fsf-opposes-earn-it/
[02:32]	TR Bot	 Links 11/3/2022: IPFire 2.27 Core Update 164, FSF Opposes EARN-IT | Techrights
[02:32]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, T-Mobile says they want my fingerprints to create a T-Mobile account.
[02:32]	DaemonFC	But only if I create it using their app.
[02:32]	DaemonFC	This is definitely illegal. BIPA
[02:32]	schestowitz-TR2	wait
[02:32]	schestowitz-TR2	let me guess
[02:33]	schestowitz-TR2	if you use their "app" you get better price
[02:33]	schestowitz-TR2	so in essense they penalise you for not being spied on badly
[02:33]	schestowitz-TR2	like with spy meters
[02:33]	schestowitz-TR2	the social control agenda going into full swing faster than I imagined
[02:33]	schestowitz-TR2	of coutse they'll say it's healthy for "safety" and "security" for you
[02:34]	schestowitz-TR2	and onlyu "crims" don't go along
[02:34]	schestowitz-TR2	"what are you, DIRTY?"
[02:35]	schestowitz-TR2	"just because everyone fgollows unlawful requests does not eman I should, too"
[02:35]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, I edited this.
[02:35]	DaemonFC	"Back to Walmart+.
[02:35]	DaemonFC	Its clear to me that everyone pays higher prices for groceries to subsidize this Walmart+ thing. Aldi hasnt raised prices this much, and Ill bet you its because they dont run their own pickup and delivery. They outsource it to Instacart. If the customer wants delivery or pickup from Aldi, its higher prices than the shelf.
[02:35]	DaemonFC	But with Walmart, they charge the same price to everyone, and theres no way $98 a year is the full cost of a customer clicking Now I want ice cream.. Now I want one package of underwear. Now I want exactly one bottle of rum.. And each time, a person has to show up with it. For Free"
[02:36]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, MARISOL has Walmart+.
[02:36]	DaemonFC	A few months ago, she placed an order for 12 cans of SPAM.
[02:36]	TR News	"an hour ot 2 ago I went to freebsd site ... they have discord advertised x-|" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-100322.html#tMar%2010%2023:05:30
[02:36]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, March 10, 2022
[02:37]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, Mandy says Discord went down for hours today.
[02:37]	DaemonFC	Since nobody really has a server, one down, all down.
[02:37]	schestowitz-TR2	great
[02:37]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe a reminder to people
[02:37]	schestowitz-TR2	re centralised 'guilds'
[02:37]	TR News	Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-100322.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-100322.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-100322.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-100322.txt
[02:37]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, March 10, 2022
[02:37]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe they prepare for Microsoft top buy them
[02:37]	DaemonFC	Are you down with the clown? ARE U A JUGGABOO!?
[02:37]	schestowitz-TR2	by assimilating with downtimes ;-)
[02:37]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[02:38]		*DaemonFC sends MinceR a care package with some Faygo.
[02:38]	TR News	Fake Security and Openwashing Fluf (Linux Foundation) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162419
[02:38]	TR Bot	 Fake Security and Openwashing Fluff (Linux Foundation) | Tux Machines
[02:38]	TR News	Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-100322.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-100322.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-100322.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-100322.txt
[02:38]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, March 10, 2022
[02:38]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162420
[02:38]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[02:38]	DaemonFC	You can't even get Faygo at Walmart.
[02:39]	DaemonFC	Walmart has these tepid off brand sodas.
[02:39]	DaemonFC	Faygo was its own thing. Now you have to go to Dollar Tree to get your Moon Mist.
[02:39]	TR News	Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-100322.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-100322.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-100322.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-100322.txt
[02:39]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, March 10, 2022
[02:40]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, I can't see how anyone would drink Walmart soda now. It's been hit with the bulk of the price hike Pepsi and Coke have been.
[02:40]	DaemonFC	Aluminum isn't cheap anymore.
[02:40]	TR News	Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-100322.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-100322.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-100322.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-100322.txt
[02:40]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, March 10, 2022
[02:41]	DaemonFC	I used to drink Walmart soda because it was DIRT CHEAP and close enough considering how impossibly cheap it was.
[02:41]	DaemonFC	In fact, when the shelves were empty, I used to go out and feed the machines quarters because that's all they cost, per can.
[02:41]	DaemonFC	Then I'd take them home and put them in the fridge.
[02:42]	DaemonFC	Walmart got rid of their own sodas in cans in machines out front a long time ago.
[02:42]	TR News	Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-03-10.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-03-10.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
[02:42]	DaemonFC	And you can forget 25 cents per can too even if they didn't.
[02:42]	DaemonFC	Now it's just Coke and Pepsi. 75 cents.
[02:43]	DaemonFC	They probably worked out a deal where they wouldn't "compete" in exchange for renting out the space.
[02:44]	DaemonFC	The aluminum speculation is what's driving everything in cans through the roof.
[02:47]	schestowitz-TR2	aluminum that gets recycled
[02:51]	schestowitz	 The Breton corruption will kill the EU https://nitter.eu/zoobab/status/1501933238989688833 see  http://techrights.org/2019/11/16/the-entrepreneurial-joker/
[02:51]	TR Bot	 zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): "UPC: Breyer: "Is it a Common Court according to CJEU jurisprudence?" Breton: "It is a Common Court because it is written in the agreement". Writing the 'Earth is flat' does not make the 'Earth flat' https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2021-005551-ASW_EN.pdf #upc #cjeu" | nitter
[02:51]	TR Bot	 Understanding Thierry Breton: Chiracs Entrepreneurial Joker | Techrights
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[02:59]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/2022/03/10/1085814568/sony-warner-universal-russia
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[02:59]	TR Bot	 Major music labels Sony, Warner, Universal cease Russian operations : NPR
[02:59]	DaemonFC	That's okay. It's all there as FLAC files in a Torrent.
[02:59]	DaemonFC	And Russia just legalized "piracy".
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[03:00]	DaemonFC	"Sony said Wednesday it would stop all sales of PlayStation consoles in Russia and disable the PlayStation Store. Microsoft did the same with its Xbox consoles and online services last week."
[03:00]	DaemonFC	Remote brick the ones already sold.
[03:00]	DaemonFC	Niiiiiice.
[03:00]	DaemonFC	This is surely better than games on a Blu Ray Disc that work off of the disc!
[03:03]	TR News	Mr. Breton and EPO Corruption (Propelling an Assault on the Rule of Law and on the Courts Themselves) Endanger the Legitimacy of the EU | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/breton-lies-again/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/10/breton-lies-again/
[03:03]	TR Bot	 Mr. Breton and EPO Corruption (Propelling an Assault on the Rule of Law and on the Courts Themselves) Endanger the Legitimacy of the EU | Techrights
[03:15]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/11/disney-scrubs-lgbt-people-out-of-any-movie-they-publish/
[03:15]	TR Bot	 Disney scrubs LGBT people out of any movie they publish. BaronHK's Rants
[03:15]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, ^
[03:15]	DaemonFC	"Unofficially, theres been a gay month at Disney World for years, and theyve never balked at taking the money. Disney also had absolutely nothing to say about the anti-gay bill that passed in Florida this month that has schools out kids to homophobic parents who very well might kill them or put them on the street.
[03:15]	DaemonFC	I can still remember my aunt talking with my mother about how grossed out she was that there were men showing affection for each other at Disney World in the 90s in front of the children.
[03:15]	DaemonFC	When I was a child, I also remember my mother talking about gay men, in the middle of a Taco Bell. I was sitting there, all of about seven, eating a bean burrito, listening to her tell me that all gay men are pedophiles and thats why Adam Walsh was abducted.
[03:15]	DaemonFC	Maybe they were both just regurgitating bullshit that they heard somewhere, but I kind of doubt that a fully grown woman honestly thinks this.
[03:15]	DaemonFC	"
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[03:23]	DaemonFC	https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/excess-pandemic-deaths-are-3-higher-official-covid-toll-study-rcna19497
[03:23]	TR Bot	 Excess pandemic deaths are 3 times higher than official Covid toll: study
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[03:24]	DaemonFC	Much of that would probably be in China, where it disappeared immediately due to Communist decree.
[03:24]	DaemonFC	:)
[03:24]	DaemonFC	Again, no offense to activelow.
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[03:24]	DaemonFC	I know that the Communists being able to command reality like Q in Star Trek does makes him admire them greatly.
[03:25]	DaemonFC	They don't really want gas prices to go down, schestowitz 
[03:25]	DaemonFC	It's just another way for them to control movement.
[03:26]	DaemonFC	If you can't afford to go anywhere in your car except maybe to work and back, you have to stay out of their way.
[03:26]	MinceR	lol
[03:27]	DaemonFC	https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/10/how-goldman-sachs-profits-from-war-in-ukraine/
[03:27]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: politicalwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/10/how-goldman-sachs-profits-from-war-in-ukraine/
[03:27]	TR Bot	 How Goldman Sachs Profits from War In Ukraine
[03:27]	DaemonFC	Goldman Sachs, the giant New York investment bank, is cashing in on the war in Ukraine by selling Russian debt to U.S. hedge funds and using a legal loophole in the Biden administrations sanctions to do it, NBC News reports.
[03:27]	DaemonFC	As the Western world scrambles to defend Ukraine by locking down Russian money, the company is acting as a broker between Moscows creditors and U.S. investors, pitching clients on the opportunity to take advantage of Russias war-crippled economy by buying its debt securities low now and selling them high later.
[03:28]	DaemonFC	The problem is that their creditors are dumping it because it's worthless and they know it will go down further still.
[03:28]	DaemonFC	And Goldman is giving their hedge fund clients bad advice and packaging bad debt that will get worse, and charging commissions on that.
[03:28]	DaemonFC	It's not like the Russian economy is going to be roaring back when this is all over.
[03:29]	DaemonFC	We're talking at least a decade with no real growth potential at all.
[03:29]	DaemonFC	And nobody knows how long you won't actually be able to sell these "assets"....just transfer them to someone else who becomes "encumbered" by them due to the sanctions.
[03:29]	DaemonFC	This is surreal.
[03:29]	DaemonFC	I'm smart enough to know this. Why are hedge funds buying it?
[03:30]	MinceR	probably because other people pay for their losses
[03:30]	DaemonFC	Stuff stuff stuff it into your retirement plan.
[03:30]	DaemonFC	"This is Grade A stuff, I promise!"
[03:30]	MinceR	that's one way
[03:31]	DaemonFC	"Not regulated by FINRA. No insurance from the FDIC. Investments may lose their entire value. Some conditions apply. See store for details."
[03:32]	DaemonFC	This is exactly why I don't do bond funds.
[03:32]	DaemonFC	We have some S&P 500 stuff, but Russia wasn't a major source of income for any of them, so the market is kind of shrugging it off.
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[03:32]	DaemonFC	Except oil, which is surging.
[03:33]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/10/politics/russia-trade-status-us-g7-eu-biden/index.html
[03:33]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/10/politics/russia-trade-status-us-g7-eu-biden/index.html
[03:33]	TR Bot	to announce Friday that US will move to revoke 'most favored nation' status for Russia - CNNPolitics
[03:33]	DaemonFC	https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/10/facebook-will-allow-calls-for-violence-against-russians/
[03:33]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: politicalwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/10/facebook-will-allow-calls-for-violence-against-russians/
[03:33]	TR Bot	 Facebook Will Allow Calls for Violence Against Russians
[03:34]	DaemonFC	Meta Platforms will allow Facebook and Instagram users in some countries to call for violence against Russians and Russian soldiers in the context of the Ukraine invasion, Reuters reports.
[03:34]	DaemonFC	The social media company is also temporarily allowing some posts that call for death to Russian President Vladimir Putin or Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko in countries including Russia, Ukraine and Poland.
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[03:34]	IPFS	 New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
[03:36]	DaemonFC	https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/10/feds-report-8-billion-in-fraud-involving-pandemic-relief/
[03:36]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: politicalwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/10/feds-report-8-billion-in-fraud-involving-pandemic-relief/
[03:36]	TR Bot	 Feds Report $8 Billion In Pandemic Relief Fraud
[03:38]	schestowitz	just renewed techrights org and com until 2024
[03:39]	schestowitz	quite a ripoff, 90 pounds just to register 2 "names" for 2 years
[03:39]	schestowitz	more bullshit jobs
[03:39]	DaemonFC	https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/10/latest-census-missed-19-million-americans/
[03:39]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: politicalwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/10/latest-census-missed-19-million-americans/
[03:39]	TR Bot	 Latest Census Missed 19 Million Americans
[03:39]	DaemonFC	Census missed 19 million Americans.
[03:39]	DaemonFC	They made absolutely no attempt to count me or Mandy.
[03:40]	DaemonFC	I even called their office and they said "wait for a mailer" and then when no mailer and no census workers arrived, I had to go to census.gov and say I didn't have an invitation code but would like to voluntarily report my household.
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[03:48]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/11/trumps-crooked-census-deliberately-missed-19-million-americans/
[03:48]	TR Bot	 Trumps crooked Census deliberately missed 19 million Americans. BaronHK's Rants
[03:48]	matey	just to clear some things up, mib_ was not ahoy. i dont know who mib_ was-- i DO know who ahoy is
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[03:49]	matey	i think mib_ was sincere but he was also overly focused on one thing
[03:50]	matey	the really hilarious thing about roy working for "open source" was that it partnered with a company taking over the entire gnu/linux ecosystem for 10 years, while roy defended it and mincer protested
[03:50]	matey	roy should have mentioned he works for "open source" because he does. he should have mentioned red hat because he defended systemd. though i know he wont admit he was defending him, so its sort of moot
[03:50]	matey	thats all. have fun.
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[03:51]	DaemonFC	https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/10/ilhan-omar-gets-a-primary-challenger/
[03:51]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: politicalwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/10/ilhan-omar-gets-a-primary-challenger/
[03:51]	TR Bot	 Ilhan Omar Gets a Primary Challenger
[03:51]	DaemonFC	She deserves a primary challenger.
[03:52]	DaemonFC	A Muslim woman who hates America and voted not to punish Russia doesn't deserve a seat in Congress.
[03:52]	DaemonFC	Of the 17 members of Congress who voted not to sanction Russia, 15 were Republicans, and 1 was Ilhan Omar.
[03:53]	DaemonFC	She didn't say why she didn't back it, but even if we assume it was over the provision to try to get Russia booted out of the WTO being dropped, the Senate is going to put that back in, and then it goes to a joint committee where it's most likely going to be kept.
[03:54]	DaemonFC	Voting against it doesn't make any statement except that you're an asshole who is slowing the bill down.
[03:54]	DaemonFC	If she doesn't want Russia sanctioned harshly, she shouldn't be in Congress. If she doesn't understand how the legislative process works, she also shouldn't be in Congress.
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[04:01]	DaemonFC	https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/10/baseball-is-back/
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[04:01]	TR Bot	 Baseball Is Back
[04:02]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, Excellent. I wonder what the Cubs will be doing. Probably figuring out new ways to lose. 
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[05:08]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/03/10/1085792118/americans-stress-is-spiking-over-inflation-war-in-ukraine-survey-finds
[05:08]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/03/10/1085792118/americans-stress-is-spiking-over-inflation-war-in-ukraine-survey-finds
[05:08]	TR Bot	 Stress spikes in the U.S. over inflation, Ukraine, lingering pandemic fatigue : Shots - Health News : NPR
[05:09]	DaemonFC	NPR: Americans are miserable but we won't mention Biden anywhere. People of color people of color blah blah who cares how white people are feeling.
[05:10]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/03/08/1084356769/kids-vaccines-needle-phobia
[05:10]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/03/08/1084356769/kids-vaccines-needle-phobia
[05:10]	TR Bot	 COMIC: When kids fear vaccines, try these tips to help them through : Shots - Health News : NPR
[05:11]	DaemonFC	More bullshit about foisting an obsolete vaccine on children who aren't affected much by COVID.
[05:11]	DaemonFC	Uncle Bill must not be very happy. Moderna stock lost almost all of its "value" in just 6 months.
[05:13]	DaemonFC	"How to bribe and threaten children. A bedtime story by Uncle Bill."
[05:13]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/03/10/1085243050/unhealthy-pandemic-habits
[05:13]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/03/10/1085243050/unhealthy-pandemic-habits
[05:13]	TR Bot	 How to reboot from unhealthy pandemic habits : Shots - Health News : NPR
[05:14]	DaemonFC	"Pandemic-related". In Russia, where things have usually tended to be bad, drinking yourself to death is not a new thing.
[05:19]	AdmFubar	https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/09/the-race-to-5g-was-more-of-a-waddle-to-nowhere/
[05:19]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/09/the-race-to-5g-was-more-of-a-waddle-to-nowhere/
[05:19]	TR Bot	Race To 5G Was More Of A Waddle To Nowhere | Techdirt
[05:22]	AdmFubar	feeling stupid?   https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220307162011.htm
[05:22]	TR Bot	exposure in last century shrank IQ scores of half of Americans, study finds: Leaded gasoline calculated to have stolen more than 800 million cumulative IQ points since the 1940s -- ScienceDaily
[05:25]	AdmFubar	https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elon-musk-starlink-ukraine/
[05:25]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: snopes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elon-musk-starlink-ukraine/
[05:25]	TR Bot	Elon Musk Sent Starlink Terminals to Ukraine, But at What Safety Cost? | Snopes.com
[05:27]	DaemonFC	They have to make EVERYTHING about race.
[05:27]	DaemonFC	Of course, if you read between the lines, the liberals are actually saying "lead gas could be why black people are dumb".
[05:28]	DaemonFC	Now who is racist?
[05:28]	DaemonFC	This despite the fact that it was in ALL gasoline sold back then and areas with white people probably had the most cars.
[05:31]	mjg59_	Whose neighbourhoods did freeways get built through
[05:33]	DaemonFC	Fuck. schestowitz MinceR 
[05:34]	DaemonFC	I think something is broken.
[05:34]	DaemonFC	But in all fairness, cars burn the most fuel per mile in the city, you know.
[05:35]	DaemonFC	Mine will happily get about 30-ish on the highway, but you get it in town and it drops to like 16-18.
[05:38]	mjg59_	The downtown areas that have largely had skewed demographics since white flight?
[05:41]	mjg59_	But even so, https://www.edf.org/airqualitymaps/oakland/air-pollution-and-health-east-oakland shows that freeways have disproportionate levels of pollution compared to surface roads
[05:41]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: edf.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.edf.org/airqualitymaps/oakland/air-pollution-and-health-east-oakland
[05:41]	TR Bot	 Air pollution and health in East Oakland | Environmental Defense Fund
[05:46]	mjg59_	https://www.edf.org/airqualitymaps/oakland/pollution-and-health-concerns-west-oakland is probably better, it covers downtown Oakland as well
[05:46]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: edf.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.edf.org/airqualitymaps/oakland/pollution-and-health-concerns-west-oakland
[05:46]	TR Bot	 How pollution impacts health in West Oakland | Environmental Defense Fund
[05:48]	mjg59_	Impressive just how bad 980 is, given how little traffic it carries
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[06:53]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> But even so, https://www.edf.org/airqualitymaps/oakland/air-pollution-and-health-east-oakland shows that freeways have disproportionate levels of pollution compared to surface roads
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[06:53]	DaemonFC	That would be because of the constant traffic jams, most likely.
[06:53]	DaemonFC	Even places with good public transit get those.
[06:53]	DaemonFC	Even when people could save money by parking the car and taking the train.
[06:54]	DaemonFC	The commuter rails aren't overflowing with addicts and people who randomly attack and mug you because they're expensive and there's cops.
[06:54]	DaemonFC	I don't know about San Francisco. They probably screwed everything up there.
[06:55]	DaemonFC	There's only one electrified commuter rail line.
[06:56]	DaemonFC	And they used to run freight trains on it until a disaster in the 1970s when there was a dense fog, which was gray, and the commuter train sitting at McCormick Place was also painted, gray unfortunately.
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[06:56]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> Whose neighbourhoods did freeways get built through
[06:56]	DaemonFC	All kinds really. When the government wants something, it just takes it.
[06:57]	DaemonFC	It uses eminent domain to chase you out and gives you the least possible compensation for it.
[06:57]	DaemonFC	Because the government is a monster.
[06:57]	DaemonFC	Amazingly, there are leftists out there that don't mind authoritarianism and totalitarian states and want it to be all powerful.
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[06:58]	matey	he doesnt REALLY think someone is from forbes, does he?
[06:58]	matey	someone here i mean
[06:58]	DaemonFC	They also want the government to take a lot more of your money and then tell you how you can have it back and what conditions there are for spending it.
[06:58]	matey	schestowitz: you here?
[06:58]	matey	wrong nick
[06:58]	matey	schestowitz-tr2: you here?
[06:58]	matey	hes probably asleep
[06:59]	DaemonFC	The state took 15 times as much of our household income this year as the feds (income tax) and I'm sure they'll figure out a way to convert it into the usual.
[06:59]	DaemonFC	Vote buying welfare, lining the pockets of the politicians themselves, corrupt unions that have ghost workers and the project they did falls apart immediately.
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[07:00]	matey	i know a guy from google used to come here, but you can find them at fosdem and canonical
[07:00]	DaemonFC	That red line flyover they did isn't a month finished and already there's chunks of concrete falling on people.
[07:00]	DaemonFC	Quality!
[07:01]	DaemonFC	You can see the rebar and everything.
[07:01]	DaemonFC	It looks like shit.
[07:01]	DaemonFC	And it cost a lot of money.
[07:01]	matey	why would someone be here from forbes? thats aiming low a publication like techrights
[07:01]	matey	its obviously putin
[07:01]	matey	putin himself wants to attack roy for hypocrisy about open source
[07:02]	matey	i dont know who the other guy is though, seemed a bit mg-ish but only if hes willing to attack roy over something he himself doesnt care about at all
[07:03]	matey	daemonfc its just you and me in here from what i can see
[07:05]	matey	anyway maybe forbes has let itself go, but i like the idea that techrights is standing up to all the big names in whatever and their people have nothing better to do than battle with the almighty roy in irc
[07:06]	matey	heres a better guess: 
[07:06]	matey	the other guy (who i honestly dont know who he was) was just some guy who is pissed off
[07:06]	matey	random guy. maybe mg, though its a weird thing for mg to get his panties twisted about
[07:06]	DaemonFC	Most of the media has let themselves go.
[07:06]	matey	not untrue
[07:06]	DaemonFC	Every single goddamned article is about race now.
[07:06]	DaemonFC	Even when it doesn't follow.
[07:06]	matey	monopoly does that to an industry
[07:07]	DaemonFC	They just find ways to cram it in there.
[07:07]	matey	i mean media and marketing have merged
[07:07]	matey	you have to lie to your audience
[07:07]	matey	tell them what they want to hear
[07:07]	DaemonFC	Well, half of CNN's website is Amazon ads.
[07:07]	DaemonFC	The other half is ads about banking products.
[07:07]	matey	just like pcmagazine
[07:07]	DaemonFC	You're not going to get a lot of honest reporting.
[07:07]	matey	its like 1/2 inch thick and mostly ads
[07:07]	DaemonFC	What will they report?
[07:07]	matey	only now its digital
[07:08]	DaemonFC	Amazon is a horrible place to work and is ruining the environment and the banks are conspiring to take your house?
[07:08]	DaemonFC	Now that we lost all of our sponsors, here's the weather!
[07:08]	matey	shh, if you slag amazon then jeff bezos will come in and slag roy over it
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[07:09]	matey	hes very sensitive that way
[07:09]	DaemonFC	Hey, leave Jeff alone.
[07:09]	matey	but seriously amazon is worse than walmart 
[07:09]	DaemonFC	He's been to the legal definition of space!
[07:10]	matey	i gave up slagging walmart (you go ahead, they suck) because amazon is like the walmart of this century, and worse
[07:10]	DaemonFC	Walmart is completely coming apart.
[07:10]	matey	its not like you have to pick just one of course
[07:10]	DaemonFC	And you can see it if you look closely enough.
[07:10]	matey	i mean theyre being beaten at their own game
[07:11]	matey	what hope do they have
[07:11]	DaemonFC	They're raising their prices, which their core demographic doesn't respond well to.
[07:11]	matey	usually low prices. usually.
[07:11]	matey	used to be low prices. used to be.
[07:11]	matey	remember low prices? walmart.
[07:12]	DaemonFC	Everything impossibly cheap.
[07:12]	DaemonFC	Now they can't get employees and the ones they do get, mostly just slack off and steal from them.
[07:12]	matey	i know how they can save at least on redoing all their signage
[07:12]	matey	make a little blue sticker to put over "prices" and have it say "quality" instead
[07:12]	matey	always low quality. always.
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[07:13]	DaemonFC	I've bought some decent stuff at Walmart. Not lately.
[07:13]	matey	full disclosure: im mostly here to make fun of roy thinking im the forbes guy
[07:14]	matey	i mean hes got nothing better to do than come here and talk about wal mart
[07:14]	matey	i bought this keyboard at walmart
[07:14]	matey	and its better than the one roy complains about 
[07:14]	matey	cheaper too
[07:15]	DaemonFC	I don't buy much at Walmart.
[07:15]	matey	lets see
[07:15]	matey	i bought this keyboard, a belt
[07:15]	DaemonFC	The experience of shopping there since COVID has been extremely unpleasant.
[07:15]	matey	and a few years ago, the cheapest laptop they had
[07:15]	matey	and before that, basically nothing in 10 years
[07:15]	matey	but from amazon: nothing 
[07:15]	matey	except zappos because i didnt know.
[07:17]	DaemonFC	Walmart's shoes don't fit me, and they fall apart too fast. Their computers are junk with Windows (more junk) and to get the prices down they ship them with extra crapware.
[07:17]	matey	oh actually i got some lube at walmart too, i really did
[07:17]	matey	but if i say that roy will think im mg for sure
[07:17]	DaemonFC	Sometimes I get filters and stuff for my car?
[07:17]	DaemonFC	Brita filters. Cat food.
[07:18]	DaemonFC	I mean, I leave most of the store outside the grocery area untouched.
[07:18]	matey	i dont know how i can prove im not-- google sucks, self-driving cars suck, mg is kind of a douche but i dont think his lawyers can get me for that one
[07:18]	matey	have you seen the stream filters? i think they disappeared and no one mentioned it
[07:18]	DaemonFC	Something happened and he's unmuted now.
[07:18]	matey	i think theyre brita. were.
[07:18]	DaemonFC	The stream filters were fast because they don't really filter anything.
[07:19]	DaemonFC	It was a trick.
[07:19]	matey	i figured but
[07:19]	matey	you cant get them now
[07:19]	DaemonFC	That's typical too. When a product flops, you get rid of it and leave anyone who invested in the system holding their dick.
[07:20]	DaemonFC	They've had the standard cartridges for a long time. Since at least the mid 90s, and they still work in those pitchers too. The dimensions haven't changed.
[07:20]	DaemonFC	They changed the cartridge to flow better, and got patents.
[07:20]	matey	neither has the fact that you only get half a pitcher of water
[07:20]	matey	which is irksome
[07:21]	matey	of course they make giant ones
[07:22]	matey	because who doesnt get a pitcher the size of a pitcher thats half full (lets be optimistic) and think "you know this would have as much water as a whole pitcher if it were the size of one of those gatorade dispensers"
[07:22]	matey	meanwhile if you put a standard cartridge on the sink, it works surprisingly quickly
[07:22]	DaemonFC	Self-drive wouldn't even be legal.
[07:22]	matey	you just have to put it back on after it flies off like something from a macgyver rerun
[07:23]	DaemonFC	Except they want to figure out how to fire millions of truck drivers and make them angry and unemployable.
[07:23]	matey	im surprised it doesnt have a warning label. tip for matt if hes looking for another frivolous lawsuit to file
[07:23]	DaemonFC	I've never (1) mistaken a pedestrian for a plastic bag (2) hit a parked police car or (3) thought it was okay to make rolling stops.
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[07:24]	DaemonFC	But (1) was a self-drive Uber (2) was a Tesla and (3) was....Tesla again.
[07:24]	Ariadne	i find it funny that my cousin's honda has better autonomous driving features than tesla
[07:24]	Ariadne	it doesn't have full self-driving, but it doesn't get scared and deactivate itself every 10 minutes
[07:24]	matey	only because the tesla was stoned out of its silicon mind
[07:25]	DaemonFC	I coast to the lights and then accelerate without stopping when they turn green.
[07:25]	matey	"hey man, i could like, been a spaceship, but im a car..."
[07:25]	DaemonFC	I have all the lights in the city timed so I know exactly how to do it.
[07:25]	matey	"whoa! plastic bag! plastic bag!"
[07:26]	DaemonFC	My car is still coming up on 300,000 miles.
[07:26]	DaemonFC	It's getting there.
[07:26]	Ariadne	i like how the biden administration "fix" for the pedestrian issue is to make pedestrians wear beacons
[07:26]	matey	if only those miles were straight up, youd be ahead of elon
[07:26]	matey	the fix for the biden administration is for biden to wear one, thats where they got the idea
[07:27]	DaemonFC	<Ariadne> i like how the biden administration "fix" for the pedestrian issue is to make pedestrians wear beacons
[07:27]	DaemonFC	I think they should pass out NLAW systems and make it legal to use them when you see a Tesla coming.
[07:28]	Ariadne	yeah what's a javelin missile between friends
[07:29]	matey	/me keeps issuing self-destruct codes when walking by a tesla
[07:29]	matey	one of these days its going to work
[07:29]	DaemonFC	<Ariadne> yeah what's a javelin missile between friends
[07:30]	DaemonFC	Look at me! I drive a Tesla! I'm destroying the world a little tiny bit slower than you are!
[07:31]	DaemonFC	Electric vehicle suck.
[07:31]	Ariadne	my tesla died at 1,767 miles
[07:31]	Ariadne	lmfao
[07:31]	matey	whats the environmental argument for a tesla? it drives back to the dealer when the owner gets over themselves and realises owning one is silly?
[07:31]	Ariadne	tesla is like "we can't get you a replacement drive unit until september 2022 due to supply chain issues"
[07:31]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Well, as long as you agree that freeways are associated with high exhaust polution, that's good
[07:31]	matey	"recycle me! i smell like driver"
[07:31]	DaemonFC	They cost a fortune, you can't service them anywhere but at the manufacturer, and if you own one in Chicago, enjoy getting half the rated mileage on a charge half the year because it got cold out.
[07:32]	DaemonFC	You'd never break even with a gasoline engine, even if gas got up to $6 a gallon.
[07:32]	Ariadne	it sits outside the local tesla store looking sad since january
[07:32]	matey	should work in germany then
[07:32]	DaemonFC	So of course like every fucking idiotic thing politicians in California do, they say that it's such a shitty idea, it's the law.
[07:32]	DaemonFC	It really should fall off into the ocean.
[07:33]	DaemonFC	Elon Musk is a parasite. He uses his second factory in Texas to get concessions from California taxpayers on the first one.
[07:33]	DaemonFC	None of the jobs there are union jobs.
[07:34]	DaemonFC	Even though he said he wouldn't interfere in a union election, his promises are as solid as Vladimir Putin's.
[07:34]	DaemonFC	Conservatives buy Teslas too. They know they're not good for the environment.
[07:34]	DaemonFC	You plug them into the grid, the coal or natural gas emits all kinds of shit into the air too.
[07:35]	matey	imagine the looks on peoples faces when musk ends the invasian of ukraine by promising to buy all of putins gas that the eu doesnt want
[07:35]	DaemonFC	Recovering the natural gas itself causes huge emissions of methane into the atmosphere which don't do anyone any good.
[07:35]	matey	which of course he will back out of at the last minute
[07:36]	DaemonFC	They're talking about shutting down a coal plant near where I live.
[07:36]	DaemonFC	Not that mjg59_ will care, but I'm white.
[07:37]	matey	start a website, thats how you make him care
[07:37]	DaemonFC	When they talk about the fucking thing it's always "Black people have to breathe that OMG! Black people of color!".
[07:37]	mjg59_	It turns out that I'm in favour of shutting down coal plants no matter what the demographics of the surrounding area!
[07:37]	DaemonFC	Why is it about race? Why isn't it "People have to breathe that shit!".
[07:37]	DaemonFC	"Why is this legal?"
[07:37]	mjg59_	Nobody should have to deal with that
[07:38]	Ariadne	honestly this channel is far more interesting when mjg59_ is not censored
[07:38]	mjg59_	Nobody should have had to deal with leaded petrol either
[07:38]	matey	mjg59_ as long as youre here, why did you feel it was necessary to stand outside a political prisoners window with a sign saying he wasnt a wiki?
[07:38]	Ariadne	i'm debating making a change to the ircd to make it impossible to censor anyone
[07:38]	Ariadne	free speech for all
[07:38]	DaemonFC	Right, but the "media" keeps acting as if white people don't breathe polluted air, or like we don't exist.
[07:38]	mjg59_	matey: Because fuck that guy
[07:38]	DaemonFC	Like we inflict it on others without suffering or something.
[07:39]	DaemonFC	All white people do this!
[07:39]	matey	sound logic if i ever heard it
[07:39]	mjg59_	Literally nobody's saying that
[07:39]	Ariadne	i mean, wikileaks
[07:39]	Ariadne	hasn't been a wiki
[07:39]	Ariadne	for years
[07:39]	DaemonFC	We have a dastardly plot to live in the giant sacrifice zone of SOUTHERN INDIANA!
[07:39]	Ariadne	it seems like a valid point
[07:39]	DaemonFC	With the four filthiest coal plants in America within 50 square miles of each other!
[07:39]	matey	i always thought the name was odd
[07:39]	mjg59_	Nobody should have to deal with the impact of pollution
[07:39]	mjg59_	In the US, Black communities have frequently disproportionately suffered from that
[07:40]	DaemonFC	I don't believe it.
[07:40]	mjg59_	That doesn't mean white people are any less deserving of remediation
[07:40]	DaemonFC	White people were disproportionately harmed by toxic levels of ethylene oxide and the coal plant here.
[07:40]	DaemonFC	There the fuck is NPR on that?
[07:41]	mjg59_	In that specific area, yeah
[07:41]	DaemonFC	I'll talk to them about it. Cancer clusters.
[07:41]	matey	/me likes to think theres enough pollution to everyone to share
[07:41]	Ariadne	it's black communities and poor white communities
[07:41]	mjg59_	Which tells you little about the national scale
[07:41]	DaemonFC	It took a decade to get Stericycle and Medline to put in filters for the ethylene oxide gas.
[07:42]	DaemonFC	They were just releasing it and not being punished, at all.
[07:42]	Ariadne	the reason they focus on the black aspect is because its a lot harder for blacks to get economic mobility
[07:42]	DaemonFC	I mean, a decade after the campaign started. They did it much longer than that.
[07:42]	DaemonFC	Nobody really knew.
[07:42]	Ariadne	sux for everyone tho
[07:42]	mjg59_	https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/climate/air-pollution-minorities.html
[07:42]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/climate/air-pollution-minorities.html
[07:42]	TR Bot	 People of Color Breathe More Hazardous Air. The Sources Are Everywhere. - The New York Times
[07:42]	DaemonFC	Then the remediation plan got held up because Governor Rauner owned a bunch of stock in Stericycle.
[07:43]	mjg59_	(https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abf4491 is the primary source)
[07:43]	TR Bot	( status 503 @ https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abf4491 )
[07:43]	DaemonFC	And he told the state EPA to disregard it. And well, Trump was the president, so.
[07:43]	DaemonFC	Government fails us like it always does. To line the pockets of the governor.
[07:43]	DaemonFC	Killing thousands of people. Cover-ups.
[07:43]	mjg59_	So yeah there's actual evidence of this, it's not just something I'm making up!
[07:44]	DaemonFC	The thing is, until it stops being about race as if white people don't matter, you won't get white people to care.
[07:44]	DaemonFC	If anything, they'll see it as an attack.
[07:44]	mjg59_	Saying "The facts indicate that Black communities are disproportionately affected by pollution" isn't about race
[07:45]	DaemonFC	The way it comes across is that some lives matter more than others.
[07:45]	DaemonFC	The same way leftists turned "all lives matter" into "racist".
[07:45]	mjg59_	The way it comes across is that through history, some people's lives have mattered *less*
[07:46]	mjg59_	And that's necessary to understand why things are the way they are now
[07:46]	DaemonFC	I don't think too many people would answer "yes" to that.
[07:46]	DaemonFC	It would take a psychopath to answer "yes" to that. And the anti-abortion movement is trying to save mostly black people.
[07:46]	DaemonFC	Because most of the murder victims of abortion are black.
[07:47]	DaemonFC	I think a majority of the left was actually proud of Kermit Gosnell if they heard of him.
[07:48]	matey	people trying to save people from abortions tend to result in more botched abortions
[07:48]	matey	the mother is more likely to die, but since they think shes a murderer it doesnt count the same...
[07:48]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Do you accept that the science indicates that Black communities have suffered more from the effects of pollution?
[07:49]	DaemonFC	It might skew that way but it's a societal problem, and to frame it as if only one group suffers is an insult.
[07:49]	mjg59_	Nobody says that only one group suffers
[07:49]	mjg59_	People are saying that some groups suffer more
[07:49]	DaemonFC	The easiest way to deal with it is the fairest way to deal with it.
[07:50]	matey	daemonfc: im working on an article about how people from newsweek are coming to irc to make it off-topic, care to check for typos?
[07:50]	DaemonFC	You come up with a comprehensive plan to retire the oldest and filthiest generating plants first.
[07:50]	matey	/me remembers newsweek
[07:50]	DaemonFC	And then take out the rest in waves as you can replace the capacity.
[07:51]	DaemonFC	Usually, the smaller ones don't operate as efficiently, and closing down a given capacity in smaller plants produces a larger cumulative effect in pollution reduction.
[07:52]	DaemonFC	Another problem we have is that the state taxes people, and gives the money to the electric company, which keeps power rates down.
[07:52]	mjg59_	matey: The long answer to your earlier question - he's a rapist who has harassed several people I care about and who repeatedly misgendered my partner
[07:52]	mjg59_	So, fuck that guy
[07:52]	mjg59_	He's not a good person
[07:52]	DaemonFC	So nobody thinks anything of wasting power because it's on their tax bill not their power bill.
[07:52]	DaemonFC	So again, the state fucks us.
[07:53]	DaemonFC	When nobody pays what something costs, nobody cares if they waste it.
[07:53]	DaemonFC	WHen gas was $1.50 a gallon in 2020, I didn't even really care where we went.
[07:54]	DaemonFC	A whole tank of gas? Pfft. <$30
[07:54]	DaemonFC	It's fundamentally the same with any resource.
[07:54]	DaemonFC	If the government stops subsidizing milk, it'll be $7 a gallon.
[07:55]	DaemonFC	If they stop subsidizing corn, the junk food industry stops figuring out ways to make sugar out of it, and you have fewer diabetics.
[07:55]	matey	mjg59_ okay, if youre actually dating someone who he treated like shit, i guess its not sociopathic to mock him when hes hiding in an embassy
[07:55]	DaemonFC	You charge people on Medicaid to go to the ER, they stop doing that as primary care.
[07:55]	matey	and stallman? (just out of curiosity)
[07:56]	DaemonFC	I've been emailing Stallman off and on about the IRS.
[07:56]	mjg59_	Stallman overruled the FSF staff when Eben Moglen threatened someone at Libreplanet
[07:56]	DaemonFC	The government just gave it more money with no real plan to reform it.
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[07:56]	matey	holy shit
[07:56]	matey	eben moglen threatened someone?
[07:56]	mjg59_	He should have been banned from attending in future, Stallman overruled them
[07:56]	matey	ive literally never heard this
[07:56]	DaemonFC	It's a monster and a vicious bully that picks on poor people for tax audits and manages to collect $1 trillion a year less than existing tax law says it should.
[07:57]	matey	can i read about this somewhere, or-- im content to hear about it in irc but its the first ive heard of it
[07:57]	mjg59_	https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1374092566551883776
[07:57]	TR Bot	At Libreplanet in 2017, Eben Moglen threatened another attendee. This was witnessed by FSF staff. RMS said he would https://t.co/SSjvzC4pms
[07:57]	TR Bot	At Libreplanet in 2017, Eben Moglen threatened another attendee. This was witnessed by FSF staff. RMS said he would https://t.co/SSjvzC4pms
[07:57]	DaemonFC	If existing tax law was applied to the rich, you'd reduce the deficit $1 trillion.
[07:57]	DaemonFC	Even with Trump's tax bill unchanged other than that.
[07:57]	mjg59_	You're probably not going to find anyone else at the meeting who's willing to go on the record to discuss that
[07:58]	mjg59_	But that was why I resigned from the board
[07:58]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, So we can agree that in most things, government creates the problem.
[07:58]	DaemonFC	Then some people think that the government will come in riding a magic pony and fix the mess it caused.
[07:59]	DaemonFC	Deliberately, in most cases.
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[08:00]	DaemonFC	When you give the government more power, even if the current one wouldn't do anything bad at all with it, the next election can change everything, and then they have the same power.
[08:00]	matey	ok so moglen threatend to ruin someones career
[08:00]	matey	thats the sort of threat where details would be helpful
[08:00]	DaemonFC	It's better to amend the constitution to get the government out of markets and lives as much as possible.
[08:00]	DaemonFC	For every 1 positive thing it does, it hurts you in 9 other ways.
[08:01]	matey	like if he threatened to kill them, it wouldnt matter if he hit them with a brick or pushed them out a window
[08:01]	matey	its still a threat
[08:01]	mjg59_	matey: This was in retaliation for the FSF firing him for briefing against the FSF
[08:01]	DaemonFC	It wants to do as little as possible while making people think they need it.
[08:01]	DaemonFC	For the most part, it's an illusion.
[08:01]	matey	i didnt even know he was fired from the fsf
[08:01]	mjg59_	Well, "firing" - he was Pro Bono
[08:02]	mjg59_	But yes, he hasn't been the FSF's legal representation since 2016, I think?
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[08:02]	DaemonFC	They spend 10-20% more money every year and we all know our lives improve 10-20% every year.
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[08:02]	DaemonFC	NPR ran a story about record alcoholism and domestic violence.
[08:02]	matey	and im guessing the person he threatened was deb
[08:02]	matey	but seriously this is a guess
[08:02]	DaemonFC	So obviously the government spending $7 trillion a year is fixing everything.
[08:02]	mjg59_	Nope, but not going to get into that
[08:02]	matey	fair enough
[08:02]	mjg59_	The person he threatened didn't want to go on the record
[08:03]	mjg59_	FSF staff witnessed it and were going to act independently, RMS ordered them not to
[08:03]	DaemonFC	It's convenient that you ask "who" and you say "no comment".
[08:03]	matey	i only assumed deb because shes the one person i can think of in a similar field of work as moglen
[08:03]	DaemonFC	If you can't be specific, don't make accusations.
[08:03]	matey	if the accusations are honest, its okay
[08:03]	DaemonFC	It just makes it look like you can't back that up.
[08:03]	mjg59_	I can back it up, I'm just not going to
[08:04]	mjg59_	Because it would mean involving someone who hasn't agreed to be involved
[08:04]	kingoffrance	sure, but thats why real law and real courts you face your accuser
[08:05]	DaemonFC	Stallman is an odd guy in certain ways. Unfortunately, I think the worst part about the guy is toxic leftist politics.
[08:05]	DaemonFC	You'd think you'd get along famously.
[08:05]	mjg59_	Makes complete sense when you're the state and have the ability to impose arbitrarily harsh consequences on people
[08:05]	matey	im inclined to believe matt about this story for the moment until i have a reason not to
[08:05]	mjg59_	I'm not the state and have no such power
[08:05]	matey	you think hes an authoritarian, dfc
[08:05]	DaemonFC	He wants to turn the United States into some socialist hell pit where we roast zoo animals in Grant Park over trash cans.
[08:05]	DaemonFC	Not like Lightfoot isn't trying her best, but....
[08:06]	matey	dfc: the usa is headed for being a capitalist hell pit just like that
[08:06]	DaemonFC	It's very difficult to get along with extremists.
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[08:06]	mjg59_	If I'm lying then Eben could just sue me
[08:06]	matey	stallmans political solution is to try to the find the sweet spot left of centre until 1000 years from now, we have political progress. good luck to him.
[08:06]	mjg59_	Even under California's anti-SLAPP laws I'd be fucked
[08:06]	DaemonFC	Well, getting overwhelmed with welfare and spending programs is pretty much the death of a country.
[08:07]	matey	dfc: they shouldnt be taxing the poor to death, we agree on that
[08:07]	DaemonFC	Eventually, you get.....high inflation and then everyone ends up poor and....needing welfare.
[08:07]	matey	inflation kills everything else
[08:07]	DaemonFC	Eventually, producers don't produce because it's impossible to predict how to price things.
[08:08]	DaemonFC	What do you do when things change so fast you can barely print a menu?
[08:08]	DaemonFC	SLAPP Back is pretty common now.
[08:11]	matey	moglen should have threatened to ruin stallmans career instead
[08:11]	matey	then it wouldnt be a threat, but a warning
[08:11]	DaemonFC	Stallman doesn't seem to consider himself in a career.
[08:11]	matey	he would be right then
[08:12]	kingoffrance	funny enough, i used to joke irc doesnt have juries    then i saw that http://ircnow.org/  very patriot themed, have not used. no porn.   at least they try to teach people unix i guess.  they didnt like leenode either it looks like
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[08:12]	matey	one thing im foggy on is that the fsf got rid of moglen for briefing against the fsf
[08:12]	matey	but i would think conflict of interest makes that mandatory from moglens side anyway
[08:12]	mjg59_	The paper that Canonical published that said ZFS didn't violate the GPL?
[08:12]	DaemonFC	Dictatorships hardly ever plan for what happens when the dictator is gone.
[08:12]	mjg59_	He wrote that
[08:12]	matey	you cant brief against your own client 
[08:12]	DaemonFC	I mean, power falls to somebody.
[08:12]	mjg59_	Despite the FSF position being that it did
[08:13]	DaemonFC	Lawyers don't know what they're doing always.
[08:13]	mjg59_	He wouldn't commit to not doing anything like that again, so we didn't think he could honestly represent the FSF
[08:13]	DaemonFC	I had five of them refuse a case one time and tell me I'd lose for sure and they wouldn't touch it.
[08:13]	matey	it seems like clear conflict of interest
[08:14]	DaemonFC	So I filed it myself and won.
[08:14]	matey	and i say that as a moglen fan
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[08:14]	matey	does conflict of interest not apply to pro-bono representation?
[08:14]	matey	you would think it has to
[08:14]	matey	otherwise the fuckery that could result
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[08:15]	mjg59_	And then at the next Libreplanet, well
[08:15]	DaemonFC	That's pretty funny where you go to five very pricey and highly recommended attorneys.
[08:15]	matey	so we didn't think he could honestly represent the FSF <-  or even technically represent them.
[08:15]	DaemonFC	They all go "Your case is awful. It's the worst I've ever seen. I don't even want your money.".
[08:15]	DaemonFC	Then you file it yourself, no law degree, and win.
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[08:16]	DaemonFC	Now consider that many people do go to them, pay all that money, get told their case is good, then lose.
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[08:21]	matey	mjg59_ were you at the fsf (in any capacity, volunteer even ) as far back as 2011?
[08:23]	mjg59_	matey: No - I attended Libreplanet then, but had no official association with the FSF until 2015 I think?
[08:23]	matey	i was just wondering. stallman made a change to his website around that time
[08:23]	mjg59_	I had several friends who worked for the FSF
[08:23]	matey	about the fsdg
[08:24]	matey	chances are you werent familiar with it but if you were there that far back id ask
[08:24]	mjg59_	Ah, I did spend some time talking to Stallman about a couple of topics
[08:24]	matey	basically the change was
[08:24]	matey	that he would no longer judge any distribution on any criteria except what was already in the fsdg
[08:25]	mjg59_	Hmm. Nope, I don't think I was involved in that at all
[08:25]	matey	oh no i didnt suspect you were involved
[08:25]	matey	id ask anybody who had various things to say about the fsf
[08:25]	matey	i doubt ill ever meet a person who knows what brought that change
[08:25]	mjg59_	Yeah, afraid I don't think I can help you there
[08:25]	matey	it was a long shot
[08:26]	mjg59_	Have you tried asking him?
[08:26]	mjg59_	He's pretty good at replying to mail if you wait long enough
[08:26]	matey	ive had mixed results with that
[08:26]	matey	he used to be very good at it
[08:26]	matey	i hear hes incredibly busy
[08:27]	matey	the moglen story is fascinating, i dont understand how a lawyer can simultaneously-- even pro bono
[08:27]	matey	whoever thought it was bad for the fsf, im not sure they were wrong
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[08:27]	matey	i dont even know how it works legally or ethically to do that
[08:28]	matey	and moglen is a personal hero so its very disappointing
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[08:31]	bnchs	russia made it's own CA?
[08:32]	TR News	"Roger (radky in the forum) is working on JWMDesk 3.5, with new features and compatibility with EasyOS 3.4.1+. Roger has designed JWMDesk to work in most pup derivatives, which is a formidable task, and I take my hat off to him for doing it." https://bkhome.org/news/202203/jwmdesk-35-coming-soon.html
[08:32]	TR Bot	 JWMDesk 3.5 coming soon
[08:33]	matey	mjg59_ did moglen tell the fsf that zfs was incompatible and tell canonical something different?
[08:33]	mjg59_	https://softwarefreedom.org/resources/2016/linux-kernel-cddl.html was what he told Canonical
[08:33]	TR Bot	 The Linux Kernel, CDDL and Related Issues - Software Freedom Law Center
[08:34]	mjg59_	(Linked to from https://ubuntu.com/blog/zfs-licensing-and-linux)
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[08:34]	TR Bot	Licensing and Linux | Ubuntu
[08:34]	matey	so the problem was that his professional opininon was different than fsf opinion?
[08:34]	mjg59_	Yeah
[08:34]	mjg59_	Which is fine, but not compatible with him representing the fsf
[08:34]	matey	sure 
[08:34]	matey	no i mean its like this
[08:35]	matey	suppose i am looking for a divorce lawyer
[08:35]	matey	and their opinion is i should get nothing and be deported to haiti or something
[08:35]	mjg59_	So the fsf decided having a general counsel who publicly disagreed with fsf positions wasn't good, so found alternative counsel
[08:35]	matey	i mean they can have that opinion as a lawyer
[08:35]	matey	but im not going to use them.
[08:35]	mjg59_	And that should have been the end of it, Eben was still welcome at fsf events
[08:35]	matey	right
[08:36]	mjg59_	But then he turned up at Libreplanet and, well
[08:36]	matey	i mean the alternative is that the lawyer chooses the client, and that-- would be weird and unlike how anything really works
[08:36]	matey	"hi im your lawyer" "but, um, no..."
[08:37]	matey	no it makes sense
[08:37]	matey	the fsf decided having a general counsel who publicly disagreed with fsf positions wasn't good <- this seems perfectly reasonable
[08:38]	mjg59_	I don't agree with all of Stallman's positions on free software but I think he is trying to make the world a better place with them
[08:38]	matey	yeah but you signed a letter that did everything but say he eats children
[08:38]	mjg59_	But I don't think someone who would refuse to take action against someone who broke the rules designed to protect people should run an organisation
[08:39]	matey	well the funny thing is, i dont think he should be president either
[08:39]	matey	the letter got the attention of a LOT of russians who seemed to think it was familiar territory
[08:40]	TR News	Zorin OS 16.1 Brings Much Needed Stability and Improvements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162392#comment-33029
[08:40]	TR Bot	 Zorin OS 16.1 is Here, Creators to Donate All Profits from Zorin OS Pro to Aid Ukraine | Tux Machines
[08:40]	TR News	Zorin OS 16.1 Brings Much Needed Stability and Improvements Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162422
[08:40]	TR Bot	 Zorin OS 16.1 Brings Much Needed Stability and Improvements | Tux Machines
[08:43]	TR News	Updates: Digital rights in the Ukraine-Russia conflict https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ "Civil society to U.S. government: Do not disrupt internet access in Russia or Belarus"
[08:43]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/
[08:43]	TR Bot	 Updates: Digital rights in the Ukraine-Russia conflict - Access Now
[08:45]	TR News	"Over 700 creators have joined in support to donate their work. All proceeds from this bundle will be split between the following charities" https://itch.io/b/1316/bundle-for-ukraine
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[08:45]	TR Bot	for Ukraine by Necrosoft Games and 733 others - itch.io
[08:46]	TR News	"Having run FreeBSD on TigerLake on-and-off since December 2020 on two laptops, there are a few things to keep in mind." https://www.neelc.org/posts/optimize-freebsd-for-intel-tigerlake/
[08:46]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: neelc.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.neelc.org/posts/optimize-freebsd-for-intel-tigerlake/
[08:46]	TR Bot	 Optimizing FreeBSD Power Consumption on Modern Intel Laptops - Neel Chauhan
[08:46]	TR News	"The firmware is available via fw_update(8)." "https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220310135156
[08:46]	TR Bot	 mtw(4), a driver for MediaTek MT7601U Wi-Fi devices
[08:46]	matey	/me pops out for a moment to do something about all this bot clutter
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[08:47]	TR News	"This patch adds initial 11ac support to the iwx(4) driver. This means that 80MHz channels can be used. No other 11ac features are enabled yet." https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&amp;m=164682778604627&amp;w=2
[08:47]	TR Bot	 'initial iwx(4) 11ac patch for testing' - MARC
[08:48]	TR News	"Ive published release 0.1 of v-i, my installer for Debian based on vmdb2." https://blog.liw.fi/posts/2022/03/06/v-i/
[08:48]	TR Bot	 v-i 0.1, a Debian installer using vmdb2
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[08:49]	TR News	Linux and Open Source Companies Stopping Their Services in Russia Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162423
[08:49]	TR Bot	 Linux and Open Source Companies Stopping Their Services in Russia | Tux Machines
[08:49]	TR News	Elive 3.8.26 beta released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162424
[08:49]	TR Bot	 Elive 3.8.26 beta released | Tux Machines
[08:49]	TR News	Pockit modular Linux computer gets a Raspberry Pi CM4 upgrade Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162425
[08:49]	TR Bot	 Pockit modular Linux computer gets a Raspberry Pi CM4 upgrade | Tux Machines
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[08:54]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162426
[08:54]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[08:55]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 37.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 44.30 average k/sec., average swarm size 275.93
[08:59]	TR News	Open Source Initiatives definition is quite clear: there must be no discrimination against persons or groups https://thenewstack.io/where-does-open-source-fit-into-russias-war-with-ukraine/ see http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/oss-and-equality/
[08:59]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: thenewstack.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thenewstack.io/where-does-open-source-fit-into-russias-war-with-ukraine/
[08:59]	TR Bot	 Where Does Open Source Fit into Russias War with Ukraine? The New Stack
[08:59]	TR Bot	 Is Open Source Against Equality Now? | Techrights
● Mar 11
[09:00]	TR News	"Two years ago, I wrote a post with a handful of grievances about Rust, a language that I then (and still) consider my favorite compiled language" https://blog.yossarian.net/2022/03/10/Things-I-hate-about-Rust-redux
[09:00]	TR Bot	 Things I hate about Rust, redux
[09:00]	TR News	SecureDrop 2.2.1 Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162427
[09:00]	TR Bot	 SecureDrop 2.2.1 Released | Tux Machines
[09:01]	TR News	"News in Russian in RSS format" https://www.dn.se/om/news-in-russian/
[09:01]	TR Bot	in Russian - DN.SE
[09:01]	bnchs	"Earlier this week, open source gateway Scarf began limiting access to open source packages for Russian government and military entities, via its gateway. In the companys announcement, Scarf CEO and founder Avi Press wrote that Scarf will be blocking all package and container downloads originating from Russian Government sources until further notice.
[09:02]	bnchs	it's not so open source
[09:02]	schestowitz	it's not "so"?
[09:02]	schestowitz	it's either yes or no
[09:02]	matey	irc client issue
[09:02]	schestowitz	now it's no
[09:03]	schestowitz	Open Source Initiatives definition is quite clear: there must be no discrimination against persons or groups https://thenewstack.io/where-does-open-source-fit-into-russias-war-with-ukraine/
[09:03]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: thenewstack.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thenewstack.io/where-does-open-source-fit-into-russias-war-with-ukraine/
[09:03]	schestowitz	they try to dance around this issue
[09:03]	matey	osi is defunct, open source trademark is generic
[09:03]	bnchs	uh oh
[09:03]	schestowitz	to justify them using the software as a political weapon
[09:03]	bnchs	Coraline Ada Ehmke
[09:03]	bnchs	the big fat whale behind "ethical" source
[09:04]	bnchs	"The traditionalist FLOSS insistence on the neutrality of technology, enshrined in Freedom Zero, is increasingly out of step with the reality of its global impact. Of course, we cant prevent all potential abuses of free and open source software, but is that really reason enough to throw up our hands and do nothing at all?"
[09:04]	matey	its ok if she shows up in the press occasionally, it saves the cost of putting a bell on her
[09:04]	matey	as long as its every 2 or 3 years
[09:04]	bnchs	everything she does is utterly retarded
[09:04]	TR News	You can murder people, then buy a football club in England https://fair.org/home/saudi-pr-pays-off-at-the-atlantic/
[09:04]	TR Bot	 Saudi PR Pays Off at the Atlantic - FAIR
[09:05]	matey	no argument there
[09:05]	matey	The traditionalist FLOSS insistence on the neutrality of technology, enshrined in Freedom Zero <- if she count higher than 0 she would see the flaw in her argument
[09:05]	TR News	EU parliament looking at rules on replaceable batteries https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/eu-parliament-looking-at-rules-on:1
[09:05]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/eu-parliament-looking-at-rules-on:1
[09:05]	TR Bot	 EU parliament looking at rules on replaceable batteries
[09:06]	matey	the free software definition is not that technology is neutral
[09:06]	TR News	Tor still works better than nothing at all https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/become-a-tor-snowflake-and-fight:7
[09:06]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/become-a-tor-snowflake-and-fight:7
[09:06]	TR Bot	 Become A Tor Snowflake And Fight Censorship
[09:06]	matey	but that people must able to change it and share it
[09:06]	bnchs	it's basically reflex
[09:06]	TR News	VLOG: New Computer for this Inkscape Developer - Invidious https://yewtu.be/dGmCt8UHHB4
[09:06]	TR Bot	 VLOG: New Computer for this Inkscape Developer - Invidious
[09:06]	bnchs	when i see her name, i know it's gonna be something stupd
[09:06]	matey	but when people take 25% (or less) of an argument and present that as an argument, theyre bound to say something stupid
[09:07]	TR News	"The Zettelkasten Method is an amplifier of your endeavors in the realm of knowledge work. It is highly effective, and many people report they have more fun, one even comparing it to the addictive nature of games like World of Warcraft" https://zettelkasten.de/introduction/
[09:08]	TR Bot	 Introduction to the Zettelkasten Method Zettelkasten Method
[09:08]	bnchs	didn't she make Contributor Covenant to try to kick some developer who said something in their twitter
[09:08]	matey	i dont know, its been a long time since i cared about anything she said
[09:09]	matey	contributor convenant is just another scam
[09:09]	bnchs	she also made Organization for Ethical Source
[09:09]	bnchs	which signed the open letter against RMS
[09:09]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/us/politics/ukraine-russia-microsoft.html http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/
[09:09]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/us/politics/ukraine-russia-microsoft.html
[09:09]	TR Bot	 Tech Companies Help Defend Ukraine Against Cyberattacks - The New York Times
[09:09]	TR Bot	 Is Microsoft a National Security Threat? | Techrights
[09:09]	matey	yeah its not enough to sign, you should also make an organisation to pad the list with
[09:09]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.ft.com/content/1fb2f592-4806-42fd-a6d5-735578651471 http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/
[09:09]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: ft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ft.com/content/1fb2f592-4806-42fd-a6d5-735578651471
[09:10]	TR Bot	 The secret US mission to bolster Ukraines cyber defences ahead of Russias invasion | Financial Times
[09:10]	bnchs	obviously she is trying to gain control over free software
[09:10]	bnchs	and kick developers that don't agree with her opinion
[09:10]	matey	she would have to get in line
[09:10]	matey	behind a lot of trolls with more convincing arguments than hers
[09:11]	bnchs	yeah
[09:11]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/big-techs-support-for-ukraine-recasts-industrys-global-role/ http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/
[09:11]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: cnet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/big-techs-support-for-ukraine-recasts-industrys-global-role/
[09:11]	TR Bot	Tech's Support for Ukraine Recasts Industry's Global Role - CNET
[09:11]	bnchs	she forces free software projects to implement her code of conduct
[09:11]	bnchs	or else they'll get harassed
[09:11]	bnchs	and framed as a racist bigot project
[09:12]	schestowitz	rules can be good
[09:12]	schestowitz	but if forced to adopt these, as projects, that's seen as trolling
[09:12]	schestowitz	and counterproductive to ground rule
[09:12]	bnchs	there are some cases where she did that
[09:12]	matey	rules that are arbitrary and implemented for motives other than those stated tend to have consequences that dont end well 
[09:12]	schestowitz	it then gets spun as a "corporate plot"
[09:12]	schestowitz	feminism became a lot like this
[09:13]	schestowitz	many people now uses words like "feminazi"
[09:13]	matey	you know what the "woke" crowd was called 100 years ago? literally a century ago. not making this up
[09:13]	schestowitz	likely because either they received abusive by combative women
[09:13]	schestowitz	or companies misused women's rights and in turn stigmatised these
[09:13]	matey	there were fewer of them
[09:13]	matey	it was a bit before twitter
[09:14]	schestowitz	twitter is really bad
[09:14]	schestowitz	not sure about FB
[09:14]	matey	"social chauvanists"
[09:14]	schestowitz	never used it really
[09:14]	schestowitz	but saw the wife's account
[09:14]	schestowitz	utter waste of time
[09:14]	schestowitz	she quit like 8 years ago
[09:14]	TR News	Proprietary junk from Apple https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/10/22967995/apple-mac-studio-usb-a-ports-display-macbook-pro-imac-2022-connectivity
[09:14]	TR Bot	 Thank you, Apple, for keeping USB-A on the Mac Studio - The Verge
[09:15]	matey	social chauvanists put progress before anything else
[09:15]	matey	even before the people that progress is meant to help :)
[09:15]	TR News	This is obviously a product for dumb people, not smart people: "lets the vacuum learn your homes floor plan" https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/10/22967391/irobot-roomba-i3-update-smart-mapping
[09:15]	TR Bot	 iRobots Roomba i3 and i3 Plus robot vacuums can now map your house. - The Verge
[09:15]	bnchs	oh i remember this
[09:16]	bnchs	https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
[09:16]	TR Bot	maintainer should be removed from project Issue #941 opal/opal GitHub
[09:16]	TR News	"On Thursday, just eight months after the measure took effect, lawmakers approved a bill to lift the blanket ban." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/virginia-lawmakers-lifting-ban-facial-technology-83372991
[09:16]	TR Bot	 Virginia lawmakers OK lifting ban on facial technology use - ABC News
[09:16]	bnchs	made by corelina
[09:16]	matey	today theyre called the woke crowd, but it wasnt originally the right wing that complained about them
[09:17]	TR News	Oh, do not say "Big Tech" https://pluralistic.net/2022/03/08/three-freedoms/#alphabet-soup "Big Tech" is a lobbying term of Microsoft: http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/
[09:17]	TR Bot	 Pluralistic: 08 Mar 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
[09:17]	TR Bot	 Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights
[09:17]	bnchs	THEN
[09:17]	bnchs	https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/942
[09:17]	TR Bot	a Code of Conduct Issue #942 opal/opal GitHub
[09:17]	bnchs	which got rejected
[09:18]	matey	i dont think ive heard of opal since that happened
[09:18]	matey	but i remember that link
[09:19]	schestowitz	github
[09:19]	matey	matt left as soon as i mentioned the letter
[09:19]	schestowitz	microsoft: we tolerate some trolls
[09:19]	schestowitz	but not others
[09:19]	matey	tbh i didnt think he would, he was happy to talk about anything else
[09:19]	bnchs	schestowitz, she tried to kick out a "transphobic" maintainer for stating their opinion on twitter
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[09:20]	schestowitz	not related to the project at all
[09:20]		*GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@b3g8b57uk9y4e.irc) has joined #techrights
[09:20]	schestowitz	I'd rather they kick out bad coders
[09:20]	schestowitz	and let people have a personal life
[09:20]	bnchs	then she got BTFO'd by the creator saying that she had to contribute as much code as the maintainer did
[09:20]	schestowitz	BTW, Twiitter banned the lead dev from clownlinux
[09:20]	schestowitz	I am guessing for expressing the 'wrong' view on Ukraine, which he came from
[09:21]	matey	maybe now that theres a new reason to suspend all legitimate uses of technology, theyll finally get rid of covid
[09:21]	matey	tongue in cheek
[09:22]	bnchs	she doesn't believe in kicking out bad coders
[09:22]	bnchs	because thats bad and not diverse enough
[09:22]	bnchs	she wants the good coders out and the bad coders in
[09:23]	matey	to be fair, she really just wants to control bad people
[09:23]	matey	by her definition of bad, and her own idea of what sane limits on control are
[09:24]	matey	and of course without any comment on what could go wrong, because only bad people would have a problem with this
[09:24]	bnchs	i thought having different opinions in a discussion is healthy
[09:24]	matey	healthy is bad
[09:24]	bnchs	but to her people with different opinions need to be shot
[09:24]	matey	she didnt say shot
[09:24]	bnchs	yeah ik
[09:25]	bnchs	but really i don't know how i should say this
[09:25]	matey	just silenced and forbidden from working on projects they may have founded themselves
[09:25]	bnchs	yes
[09:25]	matey	and of course banned from twitter
[09:25]	matey	or anywhere else they might defend themselves from bogus accusations
[09:26]	matey	but nothing good comes without prices you know
[09:28]	mjg59_	matey: Mm? Sorry I thought I answered you.
[09:28]	bnchs	i remember
[09:28]	bnchs	did that guy who had some repoistory named "awesome djano"
[09:28]	bnchs	django*
[09:28]	matey	you may have, mjg59_ but it didnt show
[09:28]	bnchs	he got shadowbanned from github
[09:28]	matey	i was having an issue with the client at the time
[09:28]	bnchs	and then banned entirely
[09:28]	bnchs	iirc
[09:29]	bnchs	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18686301
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[09:29]	TR Bot	 GitHub deplatforms Code of Merit Author Roberto Rosario | Hacker News
[09:29]	bnchs	"Rosario's account had been in a sort of limited state for years which didn't allow people to follow him on GitHub. According to sources close to GitHub, the platform had enough but had to wait until the Linux Kernel adoption of a code of conduct story died down to take down the Code of Merit repository. Terms of service violations were cited as the reason to take down the repositories and the account."
[09:30]	schestowitz-TR2	Microsoft
[09:31]	schestowitz-TR2	what sane developers lets Microsoft control a project?
[09:31]	schestowitz-TR2	Let them suffer...
[09:31]	matey	the thing about zero tolerance policies is they always say "it wont be like that"
[09:31]	bnchs	this is an example of github censorship
[09:31]	schestowitz-TR2	in due course, more people leave that platgform
[09:31]	schestowitz-TR2	they see it for what it is
[09:31]	matey	schestowitz-TR2 in due course, the sun will explode
[09:31]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/04/20/mpaa-riaa-still-bossing-github/
[09:32]	TR Bot	 Microsoft as a Censorship Machine Working to Undermine Free Software and Code Sharing (Also Sharing in General) | Techrights
[09:32]	bnchs	"GitHub joins the Python Software Foundation, the Django Software Foundation and the International Games Developer Association in their effort to silence Rosario and his movement against code of conducts in free open source projects"
[09:32]	schestowitz	they also censor Microsoft critics already
[09:32]	matey	200,000 left, its been a trickle ever since
[09:32]	schestowitz	GitHub: you cannot criticise criminals
[09:32]	bnchs	so he basically started a movement against code of conducts
[09:32]	matey	though i think i2p might be leaving, which is nice
[09:32]	schestowitz	many leave
[09:32]	bnchs	but got destroyed by github, python, django, and international games developer association
[09:33]	schestowitz	or just make ikt a mirror
[09:33]	schestowitz	for legacy reasons
[09:33]	bnchs	his repos taken down
[09:33]	matey	be nice to see even a partial list of "many"
[09:33]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/
[09:33]	TR Bot	 Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | Techrights
[09:33]	matey	i can think of a couple
[09:33]	schestowitz	the Microsoft stench is still a 'thing'
[09:34]	matey	basically every programming language is there
[09:34]	matey	and for those which arent-- the libraries are
[09:34]	matey	lua isnt github-- the libraries are
[09:34]	matey	boost (c++) is there
[09:35]	TR News	raspberrypi 'shilling' Microsoft (Mono) crap again https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/unity-introduction-livestream/
[09:35]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: raspberrypi.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/unity-introduction-livestream/
[09:35]	TR Bot	 Create 3D worlds with code on our first-ever Unity livestream - Raspberry Pi
[09:35]	bnchs	i remember when youtube-dl repo was taken down
[09:35]	matey	maybe when the percentage of the free software directory from the fsf isnt > 50% github 
[09:35]	bnchs	everyone mirrored the youtube-dl code everywhere
[09:35]	bnchs	even on torrent
[09:36]	bnchs	until github reinstated it
[09:36]	TR News	"The basic claim in these lawsuits is broadly the same: that portions of songs by the famous musicians are similar to those of pre-existing works" https://walledculture.org/a-further-spate-of-lawsuits-demonstrate-how-copyright-is-antithetical-to-creativity/
[09:36]	TR Bot	reply from server ( status 0 @ https://walledculture.org/a-further-spate-of-lawsuits-demonstrate-how-copyright-is-antithetical-to-creativity/ )
[09:37]	matey	or maybe when as many projects move away as they move to (we havent crossed that threshold yet)
[09:37]	TR News	The same Massie who is fronting for litigious fanatics from the patent extortion cartel https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/10/thomas-massie-ukraine-resolution/
[09:37]	TR Bot	 Why Rep. Thomas Massie stood against "stand with Ukraine" resolution - The Grayzone
[09:37]	matey	currently its not even moving in the right direction, let alone quickly
[09:37]	TR News	DRM won't help artists, it's about the cartel milking them https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/tiktok-soundon-launch-direct-upload-1235200346/
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[09:37]	TR Bot	SoundOn Lets Artists Upload, Monetize Their Music Directly - Variety
[09:38]	matey	im not saying it wont happen, just that its very silly to get the noisemakers out yet
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[09:38]	matey	maybe even pointless
[09:38]	schestowitz-TR2	many projects were there before Microsoft
[09:39]	schestowitz-TR2	also afaik microsoft loses money on this
[09:39]	schestowitz-TR2	the plan is to turn it into a sales thing somewhere else
[09:39]	schestowitz-TR2	like azure
[09:39]	matey	including the ones that moved there after 2018?
[09:39]	matey	im just talking about the projects moving there vs the ones leaving
[09:39]	schestowitz-TR2	but if they push too hard, projects will flee so it's a delicate dance
[09:39]	schestowitz-TR2	the media only counts what's there
[09:39]	bnchs__	schestowitz-TR2, they won't be able to move, if they lock up certain files
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[09:40]	schestowitz-TR2	which gives an illsion
[09:40]	bnchs__	such as LFS files
[09:40]	schestowitz-TR2	they don't count millions of git projects that aren't even public
[09:40]	bnchs__	you can't clone LFS files unless the owner pays
[09:40]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe firewalled
[09:40]	matey	the best approach is to probably start with software that is listed by the fsf, or even debian
[09:41]	matey	and assume people actually use that
[09:41]	matey	and then use that to see the direction this is really going in
[09:41]	matey	you can hardly trust github to be a measure of how much is flowing to github
[09:41]	schestowitz-TR2	we did that
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[09:41]	matey	you did huh?
[09:42]	matey	any information on 2021?
[09:42]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/Github-free
[09:42]	TR Bot	 Github-free - Techrights
[09:42]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/Github_Projects_on_Tiny_Core
[09:42]	TR Bot	 Github Projects on Tiny Core - Techrights
[09:42]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/Delete_Github
[09:42]	TR Bot	 Delete Github - Techrights
[09:42]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/OctoGNU_timeline
[09:42]	TR Bot	 OctoGNU timeline - Techrights
[09:42]	matey	right, how old is that?
[09:42]	schestowitz	about 2 years
[09:42]	matey	im not saying its invalid, but
[09:43]	matey	it doesnt show the movement between 2 years ago and what youre saying now
[09:43]	matey	and youre saying its improving
[09:43]	TR News	When your system/economy is collapsing, provoke and start wars https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/10/congress-american-workers-war-russia/
[09:43]	TR Bot	 VIDEO: Congress screws American workers to escalate war on Russia - The Grayzone
[09:43]	matey	but i dont think anything on debian, or tinycore, has actually moved away from github
[09:44]	matey	not percentage-wise, not even a statistically-significant amount.
[09:44]	matey	but a couple projects? i dont doubt that at all
[09:44]	TR News	Cops acting like vigilantes https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2022/03/ann-arbor-human-rights-group-calls-for-transparency-in-police-traffic-stops.html
[09:44]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: mlive.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2022/03/ann-arbor-human-rights-group-calls-for-transparency-in-police-traffic-stops.html
[09:44]	TR Bot	Arbor human rights group calls for transparency in police traffic stops - mlive.com
[09:44]	matey	its just not significant
[09:44]	matey	im not cheering on microsoft, im just saying its worse than you seem to think
[09:44]	TR News	"Flipkart has apologised for a marketing misfire which saw the e-commerce platform promoting kitchen appliances on Women's Day" https://www.ndtv.com/offbeat/flipkart-apologises-for-womens-day-message-promoting-kitchen-appliances-2812045
[09:44]	TR Bot	 Flipkart Apologises For Women's Day Message Promoting Kitchen Appliances
[09:44]	matey	they should all delete github
[09:45]	matey	but we have to dance around that.
[09:45]	TR News	"However, while weve left the country, we do not want to, and will not, stop working. We want to make sure that people can still read about what is actually taking place. Working from outside Russia is the only thing that makes sense." https://cpj.org/2022/03/censor-yourself-or-dont-work-at-all-why-squeezed-russian-journalists-are-fleeing-in-droves/
[09:45]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: cpj.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://cpj.org/2022/03/censor-yourself-or-dont-work-at-all-why-squeezed-russian-journalists-are-fleeing-in-droves/
[09:45]	TR Bot	 Censor yourself or dont work at all: Why squeezed Russian journalists are fleeing in droves - Committee to Protect Journalists
[09:46]	TR News	"Weibo and Tencent Holdings, which owns WeChat, did not respond to requests for comment on why such material had been removed or accounts suspended." https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/china-censors-online-ukraine-debate-bars-calls-for-peace-2
[09:46]	TR Bot	 China censors online Ukraine debate, bars calls for peace | Financial Post
[09:47]	TR News	Censoring UN: "The United Nations Department of Global Communications instructed staff of the international organisation not to refer to the situation in Ukraine as a war or invasion, in a move to balance political sensitivities" https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/united-nations-advises-staff-against-using-war-or-invasion-regarding-ukraine-1.4821438
[09:47]	TR Bot	 United Nations advises staff against using war or invasion regarding Ukraine
[09:47]	TR News	"The blocking of VOAs VK page was preceded by Russian efforts to block Voice of Americas website in Russian" https://www.insidevoa.com/a/6479745.html
[09:47]	TR Bot	 Russian Warfare on Press Freedom Continues with VKs Blocking of VOA
[09:48]	schestowitz	matey: there are new projects all the time
[09:48]	matey	thats great
[09:48]	schestowitz	the total proportion % in Microsoft is decreasing
[09:49]	schestowitz	it'll be another codeplex in 10 years or less
[09:49]	schestowitz	and they might shut it down in that period, too
[09:49]	matey	10 years a long time.
[09:49]	schestowitz	due to lack of a business mode
[09:49]	schestowitz	they already sacked some managers
[09:49]	schestowitz	but for unrelated reasons
[09:49]	matey	yeah i mean, that would be great
[09:49]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/
[09:49]	TR Bot	 [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley (Updated) | Techrights
[09:49]	matey	obviously the sooner microsoft fails, the sooner people will leave github
[09:49]	matey	in 10 years though
[09:49]	matey	et me put it this way
[09:49]	schestowitz	10 years is a LOT of time
[09:50]	schestowitz	in software terms
[09:50]	matey	there was a guy listed in the free software directory
[09:50]	matey	the fsf one
[09:50]	matey	the first time i saw his entry and went to his website, i found out he had died within the past month
[09:50]	matey	fortunately, his code was on his own website
[09:51]	matey	unfortunately, his family was taking it down-- fortunately, someone archived it.
[09:51]	TR News	Boycott Twitter. It's just a propaganda and hate site. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/10/22971307/twitter-home-timeline-algorithmic-reverse-chronological-feed
[09:51]	TR Bot	 Twitter makes it harder to choose the old reverse-chronological feed - The Verge
[09:51]	matey	but suppose it had been on github
[09:51]	matey	then in 10 years it would be gone
[09:51]	matey	the longer projects continue to the move there
[09:51]	TR News	Twitter is acting more like a military operation, not an online platform. https://thehill.com/policy/technology/597758-twitter-removes-russian-embassy-tweets-over-mariupol-hospital-bombing
[09:51]	TR Bot	removes Russian embassy tweets over Mariupol hospital bombing, victim | TheHill
[09:52]	matey	ths more projects will be lost permanently-- some bigger ones will be salvaged of course
[09:52]	matey	its not like no one will find a copy of gnupg around
[09:52]	TR News	The World Wide Web has become a weapon of war https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/10/technology/disinformation-russia-ukraine.html
[09:52]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/10/technology/disinformation-russia-ukraine.html
[09:52]	TR Bot	 4 Falsehoods Russians Are Told About the War - The New York Times
[09:52]	matey	but its a library that is set to burn to the ground
[09:52]	matey	and its still trapping new projects
[09:52]	TR News	"he war in Ukraine is being fought not only with tanks and missiles, but also with propaganda and censorship" https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/10/zelensky-is-going-viral-but-putin-is-winning-the-information-war/
[09:52]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: washingtonpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/10/zelensky-is-going-viral-but-putin-is-winning-the-information-war/
[09:52]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Putins ability to censor news out of Ukraine limits Zelenskys media appeal - The Washington Post
[09:53]	matey	the more we act like this isnt a problem, the more projects it will destroy permanently
[09:53]	matey	was it you or dfc who said that when microsoft buys someone, they have about 10 years?
[09:53]	matey	it was daemonfc
[09:54]	matey	with github, its longer. they might survive the takeover.
[09:54]	matey	might.
[09:54]	TR News	Great stuff! "Spotify Sees 1.5M Subscriber Cancelations" https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/spotify-russia-subscriber-cancel-joe-rogan-1235200533/
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[09:54]	TR Bot	1.5M Cancelations Amid Russia War, Joe Rogan Impact Minimal - Variety
[09:54]	mjg59_	Github makes money from their enterprise customers, the free public repositories are just to get people used to the product
[09:54]	mjg59_	There's probably way more than a decade given how many companies are already using it
[09:55]	matey	yeah buy roy thinks anything bad will magically die in 10 years
[09:55]	matey	that sort of wishful thinking is common
[09:55]	matey	not realistic, just common
[09:55]	matey	techrights is 15 years old, im sure github will take real soon now
[09:55]	matey	tank 
[09:55]	mjg59_	Same business model as Gitlab - the enterprise product covers the free stuff
[09:55]	matey	its a shame gitlab sucks so much
[09:56]	schestowitz	gitlab loses money
[09:56]	matey	im not saying github is best-- just that its weird that gitlab makes it to #2
[09:56]	matey	its to bloated and their freemium nonsense is... is there a timer or something? like how much time you can use it?
[09:56]	matey	i cant stand using gitlab
[09:57]	matey	it was one of those things where i signed up and used it for a day, then never logged in again
[09:57]	TR News	"This was pretty much business as usual in the twilight of the fossil-fuel age." https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/putin-russia-ukraine-fossil-fuels-climate-change-1319417/
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[09:57]	TR Bot	 Putin's Power Is Fossil Fuels. Clean Energy Is His Kryptonite - Rolling Stone
[09:57]	matey	there are other options, but people seem to think its github or gitlab
[09:57]	TR News	"Ukraines foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, warned in a tweet that reserve diesel generators will operate for only 48 hours." https://www.newscientist.com/article/2311591-chernobyl-power-cut-sparks-fears-of-potential-for-radiation-leaks/
[09:57]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: newscientist.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.newscientist.com/article/2311591-chernobyl-power-cut-sparks-fears-of-potential-for-radiation-leaks/
[09:57]	TR Bot	 Russia-Ukraine war: Chernobyl power cut sparks fears of potential for radiation leaks | New Scientist
[09:58]	TR News	"MEPs are in favour of overhauling the current legislation to take into account technological developments." https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220304IPR24805/new-rules-on-batteries-meps-want-more-environmental-and-social-ambition
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[09:58]	TR Bot	 New rules on batteries: MEPs want more environmental and social ambition | News | European Parliament
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[10:02]	matey	twitters been losing money since it started i think
[10:03]	matey	github is basically twitter for code
[10:03]	matey	send us a pull tweet
[10:03]	matey	obviously the posts are longer but the censorship and algorithms work similarly
[10:04]	matey	twitter and github in a race to their deaths
[10:04]	matey	but it wont be soon enough
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[10:10]	schestowitz-TR2	matey: for a few quarters (at least one) twitter said it had profited a bit
[10:11]	schestowitz-TR2	it's back in losses for sure
[10:11]	schestowitz-TR2	last year, the year before that
[10:11]	schestowitz-TR2	we recently did an article about it
[10:11]	schestowitz-TR2	in terms of real activity, twitter has been waning since they cut off third parties
[10:11]	schestowitz-TR2	I assume to push more ads
[10:12]	schestowitz	on github losses: http://techrights.org/2020/04/08/githug/
[10:12]	TR Bot	 GitHug A Guest Article by Thomas Grzybowski | Techrights
[10:15]	TR News	Only the copyright cartel was profiting https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/covid-touring-musicians-aid/
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[10:15]	TR Bot	 Covid and Canceled Gigs Have Left Musicians High and Dry | The Nation
[10:15]	bnchs__	finding a good email service is really hard
[10:16]	bnchs__	cock.li is locked up behind an invite-wall
[10:16]	schestowitz-TR2	bnchs__: you can register your own
[10:16]	schestowitz-TR2	it's not very expensive
[10:16]	schestowitz-TR2	domain name, then host
[10:16]	bnchs__	how much does host cost
[10:16]	schestowitz-TR2	with the webhost I use 12 pounds a year
[10:17]	schestowitz-TR2	the domain is the more pricey part
[10:17]	matey	in terms of real activity, twitter has been waning since they cut off third parties <- maybe twitter will go first then
[10:17]	matey	win the race
[10:17]	bnchs__	thats so cheap
[10:17]	TR News	How NOT to solve a crisis https://www.thenation.com/article/society/covid-biden-policy-abdandonment/
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[10:17]	TR Bot	 The Biden Administration Turns Its Back on the Pandemic | The Nation
[10:18]	TR News	Then patents that kill millions of people https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/10/two-years-pandemic-die-ins-will-demand-end-big-pharmas-grip-vaccine-patents
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[10:18]	TR Bot	 Two Years Into Pandemic, Die-Ins Will Demand End to Big Pharma's Grip on Vaccine Patents
[10:19]	TR News	Way to milk COVID-19 vaccine patents for several more years. They have no financial incentive to solve it. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/10/choice-extend-pandemic-experts-slam-congress-dropping-covid-aid
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[10:19]	TR Bot	 'A Choice to Extend the Pandemic': Experts Slam Congress for Dropping Covid Aid
[10:20]	TR News	So what if it kills a million Americans, right?
[10:20]	schestowitz-TR2	bnchs__: but in the future prices can rise
[10:21]	schestowitz-TR2	this price has been the same for nearly 20 years
[10:22]	TR News	"With Open Culture VOICES, were thrilled to bring you various perspectives from dozens of experts speaking in many different languages on what its like to open up heritage content online." https://creativecommons.org/2022/03/10/episode-11-open-culture-voices-alwaleed-alkhaja/
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[10:22]	TR Bot	 Episode 11: Open Culture VOICES Alwaleed Alkhaja - Creative Commons
[10:22]	TR News	"In this episode, were joined byMaja Drabczyk, Head of Policy and Advocacy at Centrum Cyfrowe in Poland." https://creativecommons.org/2022/03/10/episode-12-open-culture-voices-maja-drabczyk/
[10:22]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: creativecommons.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://creativecommons.org/2022/03/10/episode-12-open-culture-voices-maja-drabczyk/
[10:22]	TR Bot	 Episode 12: Open Culture VOICES Maja Drabczyk - Creative Commons
[10:24]	TR News	What sanctions do more harm than good: https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/10/why-sanctions-could-deal-a-fatal-blow-to-russias-already-weak-domestic-opposition/ also see http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/donetsk-and-gulag-or-google-now-bans-parts-of-ukraine-for-being-invaded-by-russia/
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[10:24]	TR Bot	Sanctions Could Deal a Fatal Blow to Russia's Already Weak Domestic Opposition - CounterPunch.org
[10:24]	TR Bot	 When Sanctions Go Toxic: Google, Co-Founded by Moscovite, Agrees With Moscow and Recognises Mariupol (Ukraine) as a Part of Russia | Techrights
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[10:29]	matey	hi SomeH4x0r
[10:29]	SomeH4x0r	hi
[10:30]	TR News	It's good that Western media blasts Russian for bombing hospitals. Just don't forget to remind audiences that the US bombs hospitals too. Worse yet, it then uses machine guns on survivors.
[10:31]	matey	we are waiting 10 years for github to fall over (and taking bets on when it happens i guess)
[10:31]	TR News	Aaron Swartz on The News gemini://thelambdalab.xyz/phlog/2019-08-26-Aaron-Swartz-on-The-News.txt
[10:32]	schestowitz-TR2	Google Code dead
[10:32]	matey	matt says probably way more than a decade, i hate to agree 
[10:32]	schestowitz-TR2	CodePlex dead
[10:32]	matey	codeplex is now github
[10:32]	schestowitz-TR2	GitLab nnd GitLab: losing moey
[10:32]	schestowitz-TR2	error: no business model found..
[10:32]	schestowitz-TR2	Git is Free software
[10:32]	schestowitz-TR2	you can host it very cheaply
[10:33]	schestowitz-TR2	you only conenct it it once an hour on an averagr project
[10:33]	matey	oh i dont code every hour
[10:34]	matey	/me wonders if canonical ever found a business model
[10:34]	TR News	"None of these stories have relevance to my life. Reading them may be enjoyable, but its an enjoyable waste of time. They will have no impact on my actions one way or another." gemini://thelambdalab.xyz/phlog/2019-08-26-Aaron-Swartz-on-The-News.txt
[10:34]	matey	they were in the read for... i dont know, like with twitter i stopped paying attention and thinking of them as a business
[10:35]	matey	i think shuttleworths business model relies on eventually becoming elon musk
[10:35]	matey	which would explain canonical 
[10:35]	TR News	Fumik: An Arduino Wall Drawing Robot Jellyfish http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162402#comment-33030
[10:35]	TR Bot	 Open Hardware/Modding: Fumik/Arduino, Picovoice, and More | Tux Machines
[10:36]	matey	but theyre still here
[10:36]	matey	they started sending out free installer media like 18 years ago
[10:37]	matey	or before
[10:37]	TR News	Stop saying "Big Tech", EFF. You are helping Microsoft lobbyists. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/big-tech-pay-outs-european-isps-would-just-concentrate-their-power see http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/
[10:37]	TR Bot	 Big Tech Pay-Outs to European ISPs Would Just Concentrate Their Power | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[10:37]	TR Bot	 Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights
[10:37]	matey	and it seemed really innovative, even though aol did it first
[10:38]	bnchs__	schestowitz-TR2, what hosting do you use
[10:39]	schestowitz-TR2	catalyst2
[10:39]	schestowitz-TR2	they're from northern ireland
[10:39]	schestowitz-TR2	belfast iirc
[10:40]	TR News	Valdolf Putler bombs civilians. Joseph 'Stalin' Biden starves them. https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/10/bidens-sanctions-afghanistan-could-kill-more-civilians-two-decades-war
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[10:40]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Biden's Sanctions on Afghanistan Could Kill More Civilians Than Two Decades of War | Mark Weisbrot
[10:42]	TR News	Fukushima disaster is not over https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/10/the-fukushima-disaster-ruined-their-lives/
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[10:42]	TR Bot	Fukushima Disaster Ruined Their Lives - CounterPunch.org
[10:42]	TR News	Proprietary software should be shunned. Look what it did. https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/10/the-great-british-post-office-scandal/
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[10:42]	TR Bot	Great British Post Office Scandal - CounterPunch.org
[10:43]	Techrights-sec	That's been in the daily links from time to time over the years
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[10:44]	Techrights-sec	it comes down to politicians and bureaucrats covering for defective, proprietary
[10:44]	Techrights-sec	software -- a familiar refrain unfortunately.
[10:44]	Techrights-sec	software -- a familiar refrain unfortunately.
[10:44]	Techrights-sec	"Several died before they could be cleared in subsequent legal proceedings"
[10:44]	Techrights-sec	"The scandal is the most extensive miscarriage of justice in British legal history."
[10:45]	schestowitz-TR2	same sorts of politians who
[10:45]	schestowitz-TR2	1) do not understand tech
[10:46]	schestowitz-TR2	2) do not think they NEED to understand it
[10:46]	schestowitz-TR2	3) want to outsource elections to it
[10:47]	TR News	Work towards reducing the spying, not increasing the connectivity, EFF https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/how-ntia-can-fund-future-proof-open-access-fiber
[10:47]	TR Bot	 How the NTIA Can Fund Future-Proof Open Access Fiber | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[10:48]	TR News	OK, well... EFF also wrote about privacy yesterday https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/heres-how-ice-illegally-obtained-bulk-financial-records-western-union https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/utah-urge-governor-cox-veto-weak-data-privacy-bill
[10:48]	TR Bot	 Heres How ICE Illegally Obtained Bulk Financial Records from Western Union | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[10:48]	TR Bot	 Utah: Urge Governor Cox to Veto This Weak Data Privacy Bill | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[10:48]	TR News	"The police issued the warrant to Gulag seeking information" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/federal-court-virginia-holds-geofence-warrant-violates-constitution
[10:48]	TR Bot	 Federal Court in Virginia Holds Geofence Warrant Violates Constitution | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[10:49]	bnchs__	schestowitz-TR2, i wanna know something
[10:49]	bnchs__	"Hosted on our fully redundant VMware cloud with Dell Hardware and SSDs"
[10:50]	schestowitz-TR2	There's no VMware clown
[10:50]	schestowitz-TR2	VMware clown shut down
[10:50]	schestowitz-TR2	afaik
[10:50]	schestowitz-TR2	years ago
[10:50]	schestowitz-TR2	NHS was affected 
[10:50]	schestowitz-TR2	we needed to migrate them away from it
[10:50]	schestowitz-TR2	to a British host
[10:50]	schestowitz-TR2	anyway, that page might be out of data
[10:50]	schestowitz-TR2	*date
[10:51]	schestowitz-TR2	their servers are in telehouse london
[10:53]	bnchs__	this is absolutely dumb prices
[10:53]	bnchs__	GNU/Linux hosting is more expensive than windows hosting
[10:53]	TR News	If the US carries on borrowing money (debt, inflation, borrowing based on collaterals that don't exist) at this current page, it'll be 60 trillion dollars in debt in 5 years.
[10:53]	TR News	"It seems like the price of everything from used cars to ground beef is up these days, and right-wing politicos and pundits are all over President Joe Biden for failing to stop the pain." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/10/republicans-dont-want-talk-about-real-culprit-inflation-corporate-greed
[10:53]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/10/republicans-dont-want-talk-about-real-culprit-inflation-corporate-greed
[10:53]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Republicans Don't Want to Talk About the Real Culprit of Inflation: Corporate Greed | Jim Hightower
[10:54]	TR News	USA, Inc. is a credit card of a country. Max up.
[10:55]	schestowitz-TR2	bnchs__: did they change it?
[10:55]	schestowitz-TR2	I have not checked in ages
[10:55]	bnchs__	linux hosting (bronze) is 300 pounds a year
[10:55]	schestowitz-TR2	either way, one pound a month from hosting was likely their way to attract customers, then upsell
[10:56]	schestowitz-TR2	for my site I now pat about 400 a year
[10:56]	schestowitz-TR2	bnchs__: let me check
[10:56]	bnchs__	oh wait it's premium hosting
[10:56]	schestowitz-TR2	no, see megadeal
[10:57]	schestowitz	https://www.catalyst2.com/hosting/web-hosting/
[10:57]	TR Bot	Hosting Services UK - From 11.99 per Year | catalyst2
[10:57]	schestowitz	"
[10:57]	schestowitz	11.99
[10:57]	schestowitz	1
[10:57]	schestowitz	500MB
[10:57]	bnchs__	oh of course
[10:57]	schestowitz	5GB
[10:57]	schestowitz	1
[10:57]	schestowitz	"
[10:57]	bnchs__	this website is too confusing
[10:57]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe you did not click webhosting
[10:57]	schestowitz-TR2	this inclues one email account
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[11:00]	TR News	OILigarchs of oil oligarchs have no sense of shame. It is becoming like a price-fixing cartel that should be smashed to piece and those ringleaders (in the cartels) prosecuted, arrested. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/10/progressives-denounce-big-oil-shamelessly-price-gouging-amid-ukraine-war
[11:00]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/10/progressives-denounce-big-oil-shamelessly-price-gouging-amid-ukraine-war
[11:00]	TR Bot	 Progressives Denounce Big Oil for 'Shamelessly' Price-Gouging Amid Ukraine War
[11:05]	TR News	Ukraine being bombed, but UEFA acting more like a copyright cartel or a bunch of pirates https://torrentfreak.com/eufa-wants-ukraine-to-increase-anti-piracy-protection-after-the-war-220310/
[11:05]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/eufa-wants-ukraine-to-increase-anti-piracy-protection-after-the-war-220310/
[11:05]	TR Bot	Wants Ukraine to Increase Anti-Piracy Protection, After The War * TorrentFreak
[11:06]	TR News	Yes, copyright cartel is mostly lying. Truth doesn't matter to cartels. https://torrentfreak.com/ace-says-it-shut-down-two-pirate-sites-but-thats-not-the-full-story-220310/
[11:06]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/ace-says-it-shut-down-two-pirate-sites-but-thats-not-the-full-story-220310/
[11:06]	TR Bot	Says It 'Shut Down' Two Pirate Sites But That's Not Quite The Full Story * TorrentFreak
[11:08]	TR News	Speaking of cartels... https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/10/comcasts-and-charters-broadband-monopoly-continues-to-grow/
[11:08]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/10/comcasts-and-charters-broadband-monopoly-continues-to-grow/
[11:08]	TR Bot	And Charters Broadband Monopoly Continues To Grow | Techdirt
[11:10]	TR News	SLAPP https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/10/appeals-court-smacks-down-unconstitutional-injunction-obtained-by-a-lawyer-to-silence-someone-who-left-a-negative-review/
[11:10]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/10/appeals-court-smacks-down-unconstitutional-injunction-obtained-by-a-lawyer-to-silence-someone-who-left-a-negative-review/
[11:10]	TR Bot	Court Smacks Down Unconstitutional Injunction Obtained By A Lawyer To Silence Someone Who Left A Negative Review | Techdirt
[11:11]	TR News	Oil cartels https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/10/dems-introduce-windfall-tax-big-oil-so-companies-pay-price-when-they-price-gouge
[11:11]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/10/dems-introduce-windfall-tax-big-oil-so-companies-pay-price-when-they-price-gouge
[11:11]	TR Bot	 Dems Introduce Windfall Tax on Big Oil So Companies 'Pay a Price When They Price Gouge'
[11:13]	TR News	Clownflare being in the loop in the first place is politicising the Internet https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/10/cloudflare-says-shutting-down-in-russia-would-give-putin-what-he-wants/
[11:13]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/10/cloudflare-says-shutting-down-in-russia-would-give-putin-what-he-wants/
[11:13]	TR Bot	Says Shutting Down In Russia Would Give Putin What He Wants | Techdirt
[11:14]	TR News	The people who plundered the United States are drunk on greed, take it up another notch https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/10/us-corporations-boost-profits-crushing-price-hikes-blamed-inflation
[11:14]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/10/us-corporations-boost-profits-crushing-price-hikes-blamed-inflation
[11:14]	TR Bot	 US Corporations Boost Profits With Crushing Price Hikes Blamed on Inflation
[11:15]	TR News	"Qualified immunity has been heavily criticized for what it allows law enforcement officers to get away with" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/10/first-amendment-group-tells-appeals-court-university-officials-shouldnt-have-access-to-qualified-immunity/
[11:15]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/10/first-amendment-group-tells-appeals-court-university-officials-shouldnt-have-access-to-qualified-immunity/
[11:15]	TR Bot	Amendment Group Tells Appeals Court University Officials Shouldnt Have Access To Qualified Immunity | Techdirt
[11:18]	TR News	Privacy protects you when you are innocent. Lack of privacy ruins your life even when when you are innocent. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/10/how-tracking-someones-movements-can-make-them-look-guilty-even-when-theyre-not/
[11:18]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/10/how-tracking-someones-movements-can-make-them-look-guilty-even-when-theyre-not/
[11:18]	TR Bot	Tracking Someones Movements Can Make Them Look Guilty, Even When Theyre Not | Techdirt
[11:20]	TR News	Life imitates art, US imitates Vladimir Putler https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/10/critics-warn-florida-gop-bill-designed-criminalize-voting-process
[11:20]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/10/critics-warn-florida-gop-bill-designed-criminalize-voting-process
[11:20]	TR Bot	 Critics Warn Florida GOP Bill Designed to 'Criminalize' the Voting Process
[11:20]	TR News	The bestest democracy in the bestest world https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/10/texas-mail-ballot-rejection-rate-skyrockets-under-gop-voter-suppression-law
[11:20]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/10/texas-mail-ballot-rejection-rate-skyrockets-under-gop-voter-suppression-law
[11:20]	TR Bot	 Texas Mail-In Ballot Rejection Rate Skyrockets Under GOP Voter Suppression Law
[11:21]	TR News	What "SHOP SAFE" really us https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/10/academics-civil-society-internet-companies-all-explain-just-how-ridiculously-dangerous-shop-safe-is/
[11:21]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/10/academics-civil-society-internet-companies-all-explain-just-how-ridiculously-dangerous-shop-safe-is/
[11:21]	TR Bot	Civil Society, Internet Companies All Explain Just How Ridiculously Dangerous SHOP SAFE Is | Techdirt
[11:22]	TR News	"They point out that newspapers are a key part of our democracy, that by exposing wrong-doing to the people, they force the wrong-doers to stop. This seems to be true, but the curious thing is that Im never involved." gemini://thelambdalab.xyz/phlog/2019-08-26-Aaron-Swartz-on-The-News.txt
[11:23]	TR News	"but you notice how it never involves me? It seems like the whole thing would work just as well even if nobody ever read the Times or watched the cable chat shows. Its a closed system." gemini://thelambdalab.xyz/phlog/2019-08-26-Aaron-Swartz-on-The-News.txt
[11:24]	TR News	"Most peoples major life changes dont come from reading an article in the newspaper; they come from reading longer-form essays or thoughtful books, which are much more convincing and detailed." gemini://thelambdalab.xyz/phlog/2019-08-26-Aaron-Swartz-on-The-News.txt
[11:25]	TR News	"But finally, Id like to argue that following the news isnt just a waste of time, its actively unhealthy. Edward Tufte notes that when he used to read the New York Times in the morning, it scrambled his brain with so many different topics that he couldnt get any real intellectual work done the rest of the day." gemini://thelambdalab.xyz/phlog/2019-08-26-Aaron-Swartz-on-The-News.txt
[11:29]	TR News	"www2 or any numbered www has not posed any potential harm when used as a pointer to a website or subdomain. Just like www, it simply indicates that what you are accessing is a website." https://linuxhint.com/www2-guide/
[11:29]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: linuxhint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhint.com/www2-guide/
[11:29]	TR Bot	 What is www2?
[11:32]	TR News	Microsoft moving in to attack Linux again http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162417#comment-33031
[11:32]	TR Bot	 Games: Mostly Steam Deck Fluff | Tux Machines
[11:33]	TR News	Microsoft Windows rapidly being made obsolete. Only Microsoft bribes, moles and corruption keep some momentum in tact. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/proton-experimental-fixes-apex-legends-xbox-login-and-more-for-linux-and-steam-deck/
[11:33]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/proton-experimental-fixes-apex-legends-xbox-login-and-more-for-linux-and-steam-deck/
[11:33]	TR Bot	Experimental fixes Apex Legends, Xbox login and more for Linux and Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
[11:36]	TR News	If Microsoft loves Linux, it would PRELOAD it on PCs and/or improve WINE, not infiltrate the projects (Linux, Mesa etc.) to promote proprietary garbage like DirectX
[11:37]	TR News	DietPi Released a New Version 8.2 https://dietpi.com/docs/releases/v8_2/
[11:37]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: dietpi.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://dietpi.com/docs/releases/v8_2/
[11:37]	TR Bot	March 2022 - DietPi.com Docs
[11:38]	TR News	mintBackup A Simple Backup and Restore Tool for Linux Mint Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162428
[11:38]	TR Bot	 mintBackup A Simple Backup and Restore Tool for Linux Mint | Tux Machines
[11:39]	TR News	Misinformation/Disinformation from Trump https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/11/trumps-crooked-census-deliberately-missed-19-million-americans/
[11:39]	TR Bot	 Trumps crooked Census deliberately missed 19 million Americans. BaronHK's Rants
[11:45]	TR News	More outsourcing of data to the NSA https://www.hpcwire.com/2022/03/07/nvidia-acquires-software-defined-storage-provider-excelero/
[11:45]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: hpcwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hpcwire.com/2022/03/07/nvidia-acquires-software-defined-storage-provider-excelero/
[11:45]	TR Bot	 Nvidia Acquires Software-Defined Storage Provider Excelero
[11:46]	TR News	Important cautionary take about outsourcing https://blocksandfiles.com/2022/03/07/storage-suppliers-begin-pull-out-from-russia/
[11:46]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: blocksandfiles.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blocksandfiles.com/2022/03/07/storage-suppliers-begin-pull-out-from-russia/
[11:46]	TR Bot	 Storage suppliers start to pull out from Russia Blocks and Files
[11:48]	TR News	Seems like a theoretic, not a practical, problem https://blocksandfiles.com/2022/03/10/infinifs-solves-the-100-billion-file-metadata-problem/
[11:48]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: blocksandfiles.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blocksandfiles.com/2022/03/10/infinifs-solves-the-100-billion-file-metadata-problem/
[11:48]	TR Bot	 InfiniFS: Scientists claim to have solved the 100-billion-file problem Blocks and Files
[11:57]	TR News	WWW as bloated garbage nobody can implement support for anymore. Just clone. https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/html-meter-segment-boundaries.html
[11:57]	TR Bot	 The HTML <meter> element and its (undefined) segment boundaries
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[12:01]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162429
[12:01]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[12:04]	TR News	How I run my blog on a Raspberry Pi Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162430
[12:04]	TR Bot	 How I run my blog on a Raspberry Pi | Tux Machines
[12:05]	TR News	BSD: FreeBSD and OpenBSD Latest Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162431
[12:05]	TR Bot	 BSD: FreeBSD and OpenBSD Latest | Tux Machines
[12:06]	TR News	Red Hat: let's just outsource to Microsoft proprietary software again https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/11/easier-way-generate-pdfs-html-templates
[12:06]	TR Bot	 An easier way to generate PDFs from HTML templates | Red Hat Developer
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[12:12]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 53.26 average k/sec., average swarm size 275.97
[12:18]	TR News	HTML and Web/cURL Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162432
[12:18]	TR Bot	 HTML and Web/cURL | Tux Machines
[12:26]	TR News	Proprietary Traps/Risk/Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162433
[12:26]	TR Bot	 Proprietary Traps/Risk/Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
[12:32]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162434
[12:32]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[12:35]	TR News	Links 11/3/2022: SecureDrop 2.2.1 and DietPi 8.2 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/11/dietpi-v8-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/11/dietpi-v8-2/
[12:35]	TR Bot	 Links 11/3/2022: SecureDrop 2.2.1 and DietPi 8.2 | Techrights
[12:35]	TR News	
[12:36]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162435
[12:36]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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[13:12]	XRevan86	Lukashenko said that Ukraine was planning to attack Belarus'
[13:13]	XRevan86	I'm trying to think of a comment on that, but it might be too much for me.
[13:14]	XRevan86	Also prosecution wants to declare Meta as an extremist organisation.
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[13:26]	schestowitz-TR2	FB?
[13:26]	schestowitz-TR2	pot, kettle, black?
[13:28]	bnchs__	fb should be banned from doing international business
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[14:12]	XRevan86	bnchs__: One would probably agree what they're doing is not extremism.
[14:17]	kingoffrance	mjg59_, the state was "the people"  A distinction was taken at the bar betweet a state and the people of the state. It is a distioncion I  am not capable of comprehending.     https://www.loc.gov/item/usrep003054/        ironically, that was a last gasp of perestroika was the "insurrection" "state of the whole people" was supposedly trying to revive that.   wheels witin wheels :D     in practice, both the old "republic" model and that were essent
[14:17]	kingoffrance	ially replaced with corporations
[14:17]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: loc.gov | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.loc.gov/item/usrep003054/
[14:17]	TR Bot	 U.S. Reports: Penhallow v. Doane's Administrators, 3 U.S. (3 Dall.) 54 (1795). | Library of Congress
[14:17]	kingoffrance	that is just to say...1795 the lawyers were already confusing the terminology
[14:17]	kingoffrance	add 230 years, and its even more of a cluster@#$!
[14:19]	kingoffrance	or:  i am the state    i am the revolution (napoleon)     we are the revolution.    we are the state.      everyone seems to have their own variant
[14:21]	kingoffrance	that is on page 93
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[14:43]	TR News	The Mind Works Better With All Social Control Media Turned Off | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/11/a-week-without-social-control-media/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/11/a-week-without-social-control-media/
[14:43]	TR Bot	 The Mind Works Better With All Social Control Media Turned Off | Techrights
[14:47]	TR News	FFS, quit promoting Microsoft proprietary software to GNU/Linux users. Yet WORSE, they tell GNU/Linux users to give Microsoft (and NSA) ROOT access! https://idroot.us/how-to-install-vs-code-server-almalinux-8/
[14:47]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: idroot.us | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://idroot.us/how-to-install-vs-code-server-almalinux-8/
[14:47]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://idroot.us/how-to-install-vs-code-server-almalinux-8/ )
[14:48]	TR News	Or teaching people to use Microsoft proprietary sofwtare (and an ATTACK on Git) instead of Git, the real thing https://tecadmin.net/running-github-actions-in-another-directory/
[14:48]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: tecadmin.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tecadmin.net/running-github-actions-in-another-directory/
[14:48]	TR Bot	 Running Github Actions in Another Directory TecAdmin
[14:48]	TR News	The pandemic has given birth to many sellouts, defectors and corporate shills on the WWW
[14:50]	SomeH4x0r	use https://github.com/lwthiker/curl-impersonate (Firefox one) for Clownflare
[14:50]	TR Bot	- lwthiker/curl-impersonate: curl-impersonate: A special compilation of curl that makes it impersonate Chrome & Firefox
[14:51]	TR News	Gardiner Bryant is no longer "The Linux Gamer" (channel got rebranded), he's just a Valve SHILL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoLbdx_TyKs see http://techrights.org/2022/03/09/influencers-ruin-the-www/
[14:51]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HoLbdx_TyKs
[14:51]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | Is Valve winning the Revenue Split fight that Epic started? - Invidious
[14:51]	TR Bot	 Influencers Gaming the Web of Videos (GulagTube) | Techrights
[14:52]	TR News	Channel "Linux For Everyone": "So I installed Windows 10 on it." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=greMmdW9Yr8 see http://techrights.org/2022/02/15/youtube-spam-rewarding-junk/
[14:52]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=greMmdW9Yr8
[14:52]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | Windows 10 on Steam Deck - Invidious
[14:52]	TR Bot	 YouTube is Becoming Mostly SPAM | Techrights
[14:53]	TR News	Marketing brochure (webspam) disguised as 'article' https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-keyboards,6024.html see http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/
[14:53]	TR Bot	 Best Gaming Keyboards for 2022: Mechanical, TKL and More | Tom's Hardware
[14:53]	TR Bot	 The Different Types of Spammy Articles and Reviews Which Have Killed Professional Journalism (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights
[14:54]	TR News	"FOSSlife" linking to webspam which is not Linux, not FOSS, not even a legit article. What is this??? https://www.fosslife.org/16-great-gaming-keyboards
[14:54]	TR Bot	 16 Great Gaming Keyboards
[14:55]	bnchs__	gaming keyboard
[14:55]	bnchs__	whats the DIFFERENCE
[14:55]	SomeH4x0r	stupid highlighting, probably
[14:56]	SomeH4x0r	or backlighting, can't remember the word
[14:56]	schestowitz-TR2	the branding
[14:56]	schestowitz-TR2	women's keyboard!
[14:56]	schestowitz-TR2	they make them in PINK!
[14:56]	bnchs__	linux for everyone: installs windows on steam deck
[14:56]	SomeH4x0r	afk for now
[14:56]	bnchs__	linux is BAD we need windows on steam deck
[14:56]	schestowitz-TR2	ask "influencers"
[14:56]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22030740
[14:56]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/89jo3gfriul81.jpg created on 2022-03-07 12:21:45.066605
[14:57]	MinceR	11 155543 < bnchs__> whats the DIFFERENCE
[14:57]	MinceR	NKRO, 1000 Hz polling rate
[14:57]	MinceR	over here i doubt you can even get a mechanical keyboard that isn't gaming
[14:57]	XRevan86	Forces from inside Ukraine are attacking a Belarusian village Kopa. Ukraine officials warned about that Russian forces will make such a provokation to justify Belarus' officially entering the war.
[14:57]	TR News	#Internxt = paid-for webspam. #linuxtoday should not be linking to spam. Heck, unlike #itsfoss it doesn't even get paid to spam. https://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/internxt-is-an-open-source-encrypted-cloud-service-with-native-linux-client/
[14:57]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: linuxtoday.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/internxt-is-an-open-source-encrypted-cloud-service-with-native-linux-client/
[14:57]	TR Bot	 Internxt is an Open-Source Encrypted Cloud Service With Native Linux Client | Linux Today
[14:58]	bnchs__	also you need more than just drive support on windows for steam deck
[14:58]	bnchs__	windows eats up battery life like a fatass eating a cheeseburger
[14:58]	TR News	Steamy mind: not pushing Microsoft proprietary crap that demands a Microsoft account... in a "Linux" site https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/getting-minecraft-and-mods-on-steam-deck-is-nice-and-simple
[14:58]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/getting-minecraft-and-mods-on-steam-deck-is-nice-and-simple
[14:58]	TR Bot	Minecraft and mods on Steam Deck is nice and simple | GamingOnLinux
[14:59]	TR News	The WWW has rapidly become a paid-for noise machines, pollutes by DRM budget, Pentagon interests, and lenders
[14:59]	bnchs__	<techrights-news> Steamy mind: not pushing Microsoft proprietary crap that demands a Microsoft account... in a "Linux" site
[14:59]	bnchs__	there's actually a difference
[14:59]	bnchs__	the one you're talking about is minecraft bedrock edition which is microsoft's own version of minecraft
[14:59]	bnchs__	and which demands a xbox account
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[15:00]	bnchs__	the article is talking about minecraft java edition which is cross platform and doesn't demand xbox
[15:00]	schestowitz-TR2	anyway, it's microsoft
[15:00]	schestowitz-TR2	seems they buy territory
[15:00]	schestowitz-TR2	through the likes of LF
[15:00]	schestowitz-TR2	and then people are shilling the very thing that's attacking us
[15:01]	schestowitz-TR2	you need only follow the money
[15:01]	schestowitz-TR2	like LF shilling shithub
[15:01]	schestowitz-TR2	why?
[15:01]	schestowitz-TR2	microsoft money
[15:01]	schestowitz-TR2	and microsoft proxies
[15:02]	bnchs__	heres a quote from minecraft site
[15:02]	bnchs__	"In the Bedrock Edition, testing versions of the game are called beta releases. Its important to note that you can only access them on Xbox One, Xbox Series S and X, Windows 10, Windows 11,"
[15:02]	bnchs__	you can only access beta releases in windows
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[15:02]	schestowitz-TR2	anyway, a lot of this crap enters "Linux" sites
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR2	microsoft will tyry to buy companies
[15:02]	schestowitz-TR2	to impose itself on whatever replaces windows
[15:05]	TR News	5 Best Adventure Games for Linux Desktop: Try When You Are Bored Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162436
[15:05]	TR Bot	 5 Best Adventure Games for Linux Desktop: Try When You Are Bored | Tux Machines
[15:11]	TR News	The most wonderful discovery: GB Studio Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162437
[15:11]	TR Bot	 The most wonderful discovery: GB Studio | Tux Machines
[15:14]	TR News	"Mondealy: Day One from developer uglycoal seems pretty quirky and it's also free, although something of a prologue / demo for an upcoming bigger game." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/thoroughly-odd-sounding-free-adventure-mondealy-day-one-arrives-on-linux
[15:14]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/thoroughly-odd-sounding-free-adventure-mondealy-day-one-arrives-on-linux
[15:14]	TR Bot	odd sounding free adventure Mondealy: Day One arrives on Linux | GamingOnLinux
[15:15]	TR News	"now available as a Flatpak on Flathub making it even easier to install and setup on Linux and Steam Deck." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/heroic-games-launcher-now-on-flathub-even-easier-to-run-epic-games-on-steam-deck/
[15:15]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/heroic-games-launcher-now-on-flathub-even-easier-to-run-epic-games-on-steam-deck/
[15:15]	TR Bot	Games Launcher now on Flathub, even easier to run Epic Games on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
[15:17]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162438
[15:17]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[15:21]	TR News	Fedora Community Blog: CPE Weekly Update Week of March 07th 11th https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-weekly-update-week-of-march-07th-11th/ Community?? Don't kid me, IBM. You kills the community Red Hat once fostered. Now you ARE SUING THE COMMUNITY!!!
[15:21]	TR Bot	 CPE Weekly Update - Week of March 07th - 11th Fedora Community Blog
[15:23]	TR News	IBM Red Hat citing Gartner as if they're experts https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/it-talent-mistakes-avoid Gartner Group = corrupt liars with glorified brand http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group
[15:23]	TR Bot	 IT leadership: 5 ways you could be wasting your team's talent | The Enterprisers Project
[15:23]	TR Bot	 Gartner Group - Techrights
[15:24]	TR News	When the target audience of IBM Red Hat isn't engineers but psychopaths https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/boost-emotional-intelligence
[15:24]	TR Bot	 IT leadership: 4 ways to boost your emotional intelligence | The Enterprisers Project
[15:24]	TR News	Games: Some New Titles and YouTube Shills Doing Valve &#039;Content&#039; Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162439
[15:24]	TR Bot	 Games: Some New Titles and YouTube 'Shills' Doing Valve 'Content' | Tux Machines
[15:25]	TR News	Maps and GNOME 42 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162440
[15:25]	TR Bot	 Maps and GNOME 42 | Tux Machines
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[15:43]	TR News	The EPO in Violation of the EPC and Nobody Holds Anyone Accountable for Such Violations | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/11/epc-just-a-piece-of-paper-and-now-paperless/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/11/epc-just-a-piece-of-paper-and-now-paperless/
[15:43]	TR Bot	 The EPO in Violation of the EPC and Nobody Holds Anyone Accountable for Such Violations | Techrights
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[15:55]	TR News	[Meme] When Corrupt Politicians Run Europes Largest Patent Office | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/11/meme-when-corrupt-politicians-run-europes-largest-patent-office/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/11/meme-when-corrupt-politicians-run-europes-largest-patent-office/
[15:55]	TR Bot	 [Meme] When Corrupt Politicians Run Europes Largest Patent Office | Techrights
[15:57]	TR News	Gemini space based on Lupa: "We successfully connected recently to 1784 of them." 16 more to 1,800. WOW! gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
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[16:01]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162441
[16:01]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
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[16:12]	TR News	"You can also help us create awareness by sharing on: Hacker News" LOL, no... they're the enemy. Neither hacker nor news. Just corporate noise and shills. https://www.fsf.org/share?u=[some address]
[16:12]	TR Bot	 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[16:14]	bnchs__	client-side anti-cheats should be classified as DRM
[16:15]	bnchs__	building your games with the assumption that the user has full control over the device is a more realistic approach
[16:15]	bnchs__	rather than assuming that they won't be able to modify the files
[16:18]	TR News	Rewind: Software Freedom Explained | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/11/fsf-rewind/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/11/fsf-rewind/
[16:18]	TR Bot	 Rewind: Software Freedom Explained | Techrights
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR2	bnchs__: worse, they are rootkits
[16:19]	bnchs__	yes
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR2	tin swine-e wants that in everything
[16:19]	schestowitz-TR2	from reports in the media it seems like he is fronting for Microsoft, e.g. in the case against Apple
[16:20]	bnchs__	yes
[16:20]	bnchs__	tim swine-e says he won't port fortnite until valve locks down steam deck
[16:21]	schestowitz	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=nnx9lNGIOY0
[16:21]	TR Bot	 DO NOT BUY Steam Deck - VERY disappointing - Invidious
[16:21]	schestowitz	Valve: QUICK!!! BRIBE MORE INFLUENCERS
[16:21]	schestowitz	We MUST hide these other videos
[16:21]	bnchs__	his company is known for buying out games and canceling the port on them
[16:22]	schestowitz	next to this
[16:22]	bnchs__	the GNU/linux port*
[16:22]	schestowitz	in suggestions:
[16:22]	schestowitz	"Valve gave me a Steam Deck. Here are my thoughts."
[16:22]	schestowitz	by the "l" games
[16:22]	schestowitz	gamer
[16:22]	schestowitz	and Microsoft Linus
[16:23]	schestowitz	x86 is an issue
[16:23]	schestowitz	the battery can last one hour
[16:23]	schestowitz	for heavy games
[16:23]	bnchs__	that is a problem
[16:23]	schestowitz	it's a shillfast
[16:23]	bnchs__	x86 isn't optimized for mobile devices
[16:23]	schestowitz	yeah
[16:23]	schestowitz	he pointed it out
[16:23]	schestowitz	in  https://yewtu.be/watch?v=nnx9lNGIOY0
[16:24]	schestowitz	Valve is spending lots of money buying 'ads'
[16:24]	schestowitz	from 'influencers'
[16:24]	schestowitz	and then they come trolling me in IRC ^_^
[16:24]	bnchs__	yes
[16:25]	bnchs__	that guy obviously knew techrights
[16:25]	bnchs__	and tried to cause some pointless arguments
[16:25]	bnchs__	and AFTER that gulagtube influcener blog entry
[16:25]	schestowitz	he need battery banks
[16:26]	schestowitz	I'm just about 'done' with the www, but should explain
[16:26]	schestowitz	the videos on the web are parly spam
[16:26]	schestowitz	the high-viewed ones are mostly spam
[16:26]	schestowitz	like some fashion company shilling the channel
[16:26]	schestowitz	for some very high-quality videos
[16:26]	bnchs__	it's only a matter of time
[16:26]	schestowitz	which turn out to be paid-for ads
[16:26]	bnchs__	before other shills come to raid this IRC
[16:27]	schestowitz	so you basically tune in to pervert bill gates ADS
[16:27]	schestowitz	they do not even tell you
[16:27]	schestowitz	it's in some ways worse than television
[16:27]	schestowitz	the textual web isn't much better
[16:27]	schestowitz	over time a growing % of it is webspam
[16:27]	schestowitz	like a list of "gaming" ckeyboards
[16:27]	schestowitz	those are just same old catalogues
[16:27]	schestowitz	"click here to buy"
[16:27]	schestowitz	I don't need shit like this
[16:27]	schestowitz	would rather read a soup of words in gemini
[16:28]	bnchs__	gaming keyboards are a scam
[16:28]	schestowitz	gemini has no "influencers"
[16:28]	bnchs__	there's no difference between a normal keyboard and a "gaming" keyboard
[16:28]	schestowitz	this is an issue we might as well cover more often
[16:28]	bnchs__	except the LED eyecandy
[16:28]	schestowitz	i already called out the patent cartel
[16:28]	schestowitz	we need to call out the 'linux' sites that sell out too
[16:28]	schestowitz	they're not even about linux anymore
[16:29]	schestowitz	they're seo spamfarms
[16:29]	schestowitz	"gaming" keyboard is like "girls' bicycle"
[16:29]	schestowitz	they make the same product
[16:29]	schestowitz	but in pink
[16:29]	schestowitz	and throw some 'girly' (fashion) baket at it
[16:30]	schestowitz	and then pay some model ("influencer") to make it seem "fasionable"
[16:30]	schestowitz	*basket
[16:30]	schestowitz	in twitter the ads have overrun the site in august 2018
[16:30]	schestowitz	when they also blocked third party access
[16:31]	schestowitz	now they throw gov. propaganda on top of it
[16:31]	schestowitz	first the covid thing, now imperialism
[16:31]	schestowitz	https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28051930
[16:31]	TR Bot	 Facebook emotion experiment sparks criticism - BBC News
[16:31]	schestowitz	maybe experiment was the wrong term
[16:31]	schestowitz	it was a "warm-up"
[16:31]	schestowitz	and we need to seek and promote alternatives
[16:32]	schestowitz	then keep them robust to the same corruption that doomed the web
[16:32]	schestowitz	gulagtube is a joke to me
[16:32]	bnchs__	https://nitter.net/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1493622890536878090#m
[16:32]	TR Bot	 Tim Sweeney (@TimSweeneyEpic): "It shouldt be like this. Windows users are free to install software from sources of their choosing, and Microsoft doesnt interfere. Apple and Google are alone in making their store monopolies tools of national censorship and protectionism. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-15/sea-s-16-billion-wipeout-portends-trouble-beyond-india-shutout" | nitter
[16:32]	schestowitz	if you just open the site now it does not show what you subscribe to
[16:32]	schestowitz	it throws clickbair at you
[16:32]	schestowitz	curated for some weird agenda
[16:32]	schestowitz	sex, sport, celebs, politics
[16:32]	schestowitz	they try to shape your mind
[16:33]	psydroid2	Windows users are free to choose their brand of malware, as long as it's Windows malware
[16:33]	schestowitz	they tell you what you want, instead of YOU (as in YOUtube) telling THEM what you want
[16:33]	bnchs__	there's also a tweet
[16:33]	bnchs__	where he says
[16:33]	schestowitz	bnchs__: he's fronting for Microsoft
[16:33]	bnchs__	https://nitter.net/timsweeneyepic/status/964284402741149698
[16:33]	TR Bot	 Tim Sweeney (@TimSweeneyEpic): "Installing Linux is sort of the equivalent of moving to Canada when one doesnt like US political trends. Nope, weve got to fight for the freedoms we have today, where we have them today." | nitter
[16:33]	schestowitz	there have been articles about that
[16:33]	schestowitz	and then bans Linux users
[16:33]	schestowitz	for Microsof sites to use for negative press on "Linux" "pirates"
[16:34]	bnchs__	" weve got to fight for the freedoms we have today, where we have them today"
[16:34]	schestowitz	anc "cheaters"
[16:34]	bnchs__	he fights for freedoms on a platform thats not designed for freedom
[16:34]	bnchs__	obviously a pointless move
[16:34]	bnchs__	tim swine-e mentality
[16:34]	schestowitz	windows as freedom LOL
[16:35]	bnchs__	heres a good response
[16:35]	bnchs__	"Tim is the type of person who complains about how shitty their partner is all day but will never break up or ever do anything about it."
[16:35]	schestowitz-TR2	he is fronting for pervert bill
[16:36]	bnchs__	imagine tim swine-e on the titanic
[16:36]	bnchs__	"oh no the boat is sinking"
[16:36]	bnchs__	"lets not go on the lifeboats"
[16:36]	bnchs__	"we're gonna fight on the sinking boat"
[16:36]	schestowitz	"Fortunately, Microsoft is also involved, so I hope ACT won't be able to file amicus curiae briefs in support of Apple against Epic"
[16:36]	schestowitz	http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/05/did-epic-games-ceo-tim-sweeney-get.html
[16:36]	TR Bot	 FOSS Patents: Did Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney get trolled from Apple Park during App Store antitrust trial? Suspicious Twitter activity detected.
[16:36]	schestowitz	ACT is a Microsoft front group
[16:36]	schestowitz	and the author was also bribed by Microsoft
[16:37]	bnchs__	yes
[16:37]	bnchs__	apple is bad
[16:37]	bnchs__	but being biased towards microsoft is good
[16:39]	psydroid2	Apple software isn't entrenched like Windows software is
[16:39]	bnchs__	tim swine-e is choosing to be anti-gnu/linux at this point
[16:40]	bnchs__	perhaps he was bribed to be like that
[16:40]	psydroid2	you can just wipe macOS and install GNU/Linux and not miss a thing
[16:40]	psydroid2	with Windows software they always invent some reason why it is indispensable
[16:46]	TR News	Zo Kooyman: Its Important to Listen to Community Members About What They Think the FSF Should Focus on | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/11/zoe-kooyman-libreplanet-speech/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/11/zoe-kooyman-libreplanet-speech/
[16:46]	TR Bot	 Zo Kooyman: Its Important to Listen to Community Members About What They Think the FSF Should Focus on | Techrights
[16:47]	TR News	That's some expensive gift right there, Michael... https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.18-Early-Features
[16:47]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.18-Early-Features
[16:47]	TR Bot	5.18 To Bring New Intel Drivers, Optimization For AMD EPYC, C11 & Much More - Phoronix
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[16:48]	TR News	Linux Torvalds: "there are similar other turds if a.out goes away, ie on alpha it's OSF4_COMPAT, and it enables support for a couple of legacy OSF/1 system calls. I think that was also discussed in the (old) a.out deprecation thread back in 2019.." https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/3/10/1395
[16:48]	TR Bot	 LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: [PATCH] x86: Remove a.out support
[16:48]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: lkml.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/3/10/1395
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[16:51]	TR News	FreeBSD 13.1-BETA1 Now Available Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162442
[16:51]	TR Bot	 FreeBSD 13.1-BETA1 Now Available | Tux Machines
[16:53]	schestowitz	psydroid2: michael has assembled the DC
[16:53]	schestowitz	estimated number of CPUs?
[16:53]	schestowitz	your call
[16:53]	schestowitz	looks like maybe 1000 to me
[16:53]	schestowitz	depending on density
[16:53]	psydroid2	lol
[16:53]	schestowitz	mining "coins"?
[16:54]	psydroid2	data centre in a shed or basement
[16:54]	schestowitz-TR2	iirc, he built one outdoors too
[16:54]	schestowitz-TR2	some second facility
[16:54]	schestowitz-TR2	too many gifts
[16:54]	psydroid2	so he's more like "the Linux lamer"
[16:54]	schestowitz-TR2	but I cannot find the photos
[16:54]	schestowitz-TR2	there's no "the linux gamer"
[16:54]	schestowitz-TR2	Techrights-sec pointed out to me
[16:54]	schestowitz-TR2	what I had seen this week
[16:55]	schestowitz-TR2	the channel was renamed
[16:55]	psydroid2	TLG
[16:55]	schestowitz-TR2	and rebranded 
[16:55]	schestowitz-TR2	it's not Linux anymore
[16:55]	schestowitz-TR2	we've followed the channel for years
[16:55]	schestowitz-TR2	muktware = freedom ware
[16:55]	psydroid2	Bryant Gardiner TLG -> TWG -> TWS
[16:55]	schestowitz-TR2	themurk = the freedom
[16:55]	schestowitz-TR2	then linux veda
[16:55]	schestowitz-TR2	not freedoim
[16:55]	schestowitz-TR2	now "TFIR"
[16:55]	schestowitz-TR2	pure spam
[16:55]	schestowitz-TR2	same site
[16:55]	schestowitz-TR2	different brands from spamnil
[16:55]	psydroid2	"the linux gamer" -> "the windows gamer" -> "the windows shill"
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR2	he killed linux.com
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR2	now he's killing the renamed muktware
[16:56]	psydroid2	just change one letter at a time
[16:56]	psydroid2	and no one will notice
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[16:56]	schestowitz-TR2	[13:35] <Techrights-sec> "The Linux Gamer" any more.  His channel is "Gardiner Bryant" instead now. 
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR2	[13:36] <schestowitz-TR2> I noticed the same but did not say it in the video
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR2	[13:36] <schestowitz-TR2> the banner says something like something something linux something...
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR2	[13:36] <schestowitz-TR2> the old title is now just some cryptic acronym
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR2	[13:52] <Techrights-sec> He peddles M$ a lot lately.  
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR2	[13:52] <Techrights-sec> and talks up the LF.  :(
[16:56]	schestowitz-TR2	[13:52] <Techrights-sec> and OIN :( :(
[16:57]	schestowitz-TR2	from #boycottnovell
[16:58]	psydroid2	build a reputation in the free software world and then turn around and move into "open source software"
[16:58]	psydroid2	to upsell closed source software
[16:58]	psydroid2	the modern modus operandi
[16:58]	schestowitz-TR2	[14:39] <schestowitz-TR2> he is one of the 4 in the steam "influencer" club
[16:58]	schestowitz-TR2	[14:39] <schestowitz-TR2> he already gotr banned once
[16:58]	schestowitz-TR2	[14:39] <schestowitz-TR2> for shilling crap
[16:58]	schestowitz-TR2	[14:39] <schestowitz-TR2> he also campaigns to remove RMS
[16:58]	schestowitz-TR2	[14:39] <schestowitz-TR2> next they will corrupt robertson
[16:59]	TR News	Kali Linux on bare-metal gets snapshotting functionality Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162443
[16:59]	TR Bot	 Kali Linux on bare-metal gets snapshotting functionality | Tux Machines
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[17:00]	psydroid2	"journalists"
[17:00]	schestowitz-TR2	no
[17:00]	schestowitz-TR2	they don't even use that word
[17:01]	schestowitz-TR2	but it's "dormitory" shills
[17:01]	schestowitz-TR2	painting themselves like poor person talking shit to webcam
[17:01]	schestowitz-TR2	but they're well funded shills
[17:01]	schestowitz-TR2	and they have masters
[17:01]	schestowitz-TR2	wait, I want to show you something
[17:02]	schestowitz-TR2	can't find it
[17:03]	psydroid2	maybe you'll be able to find it later
[17:03]	schestowitz-TR2	it's the spamnil price list
[17:03]		*bnchs (~bnchs@ysmbdnm3xh2vq.irc) has joined #techrights
[17:03]	schestowitz-TR2	how much for his youtube spam
[17:03]	schestowitz-TR2	just need to know what to search for
[17:04]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe it's still in his site
[17:05]	kingoffrance	""Installing Linux is sort of the equivalent of moving to Canada when one doesnt like US political trends. Nope, weve got to fight for the freedoms we have today, where we have them today" LOL
[17:05]	schestowitz	https://www.tfir.io/tfir-editorial-marketing-package/
[17:05]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: tfir.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.tfir.io/tfir-editorial-marketing-package/
[17:05]	TR Bot	 Editorial Marketing Video Service - TFiR: Interviews, News & Analysis by Swapnil Bhartiya %
[17:05]	schestowitz	that's one
[17:05]	schestowitz	marketing package
[17:05]	schestowitz	spamnl has a package for you
[17:05]	schestowitz	"-editorial-marketing-package"
[17:06]	schestowitz	show me the packages, spamnil
[17:06]	schestowitz	he also markets fake/phantom "subscribers
[17:06]	schestowitz	20,000 means 20  views :-)
[17:06]	schestowitz	so he's a cheap salesperson
[17:07]	schestowitz	"Demo/Tutorials: Demos & tutorials are presented by a spokesperson of the client. We collect all footage and produce the final video."
[17:07]	kingoffrance	well its funny that "linux" is "the other" ...its only something extremists do
[17:07]	schestowitz	"
[17:07]	schestowitz	Lets Talk: Flagship, talk-show style interviews to cover a wide range of topics.
[17:07]	schestowitz	Newsroom: A short and crisp interview around news announcements
[17:07]	schestowitz	To The Point: Summary clips from full length videos to focus on key topics.
[17:07]	schestowitz	"
[17:07]	schestowitz	"Flagship" :-)
[17:07]	schestowitz	he has a boat, too
[17:07]	schestowitz	a yacht
[17:07]	schestowitz	"To The Point," said the radiologist 
[17:08]	schestowitz	point at the ____
[17:08]	schestowitz	so you end up with yoiutube littered
[17:08]	schestowitz	this is what increasingly dominated yoioutube
[17:08]	schestowitz	spam
[17:08]	schestowitz	it's an industry of spam
[17:08]	schestowitz	tweets also
[17:08]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2019/04/07/linux-foundation-selling-tweets/
[17:08]	TR Bot	 The Linux Foundation is Selling Tweets, Access, Thank Yous and SPAM Services | Techrights
[17:08]	schestowitz	paid-for spam
[17:09]	schestowitz	microsoft praise... for SALE  http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/jono-bacon-works-for-microsoft/
[17:09]	TR Bot	 Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft | Techrights
[17:09]	schestowitz	tweets for a fee
[17:09]	schestowitz	twtter says it's against the rules
[17:09]	schestowitz	but it'll never ban @linuxfoundation
[17:10]	TR News	5 Linux Alternatives for Windows PowerToys Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162444
[17:10]	TR Bot	 5 Linux Alternatives for Windows PowerToys | Tux Machines
[17:11]	TR News	The flailing 'Linux' Foundation is corrupting the Web and paying so-called publishers to write puff pieces: "The Linux Foundation is a sponsor of The New Stack." https://thenewstack.io/the-linux-foundations-open-source-stack-for-ev-charging-infrastructure/
[17:11]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: thenewstack.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thenewstack.io/the-linux-foundations-open-source-stack-for-ev-charging-infrastructure/
[17:11]	TR Bot	 The Linux Foundations Open Source Stack for EV Charging Infrastructure The New Stack
[17:11]	TR News	WWW = the world's largest pool of spam, started by a British scientists in Switzerland
[17:12]	TR News	Linux Foundation killed Linux.com. Next it'll kill Linux. It's still "at it"...
[17:13]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22030658
[17:13]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/7243g0bglwk81.png created on 2022-03-06 19:54:21.438055
[17:15]	TR News	KeeWeb is a multiplatform password manager with a full KeePass database support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162445
[17:15]	TR Bot	 KeeWeb is a multiplatform password manager with a full KeePass database support | Tux Machines
[17:16]	bnchs	keeweb???
[17:16]	schestowitz	mit/shithub
[17:16]	schestowitz	I know...
[17:16]	schestowitz	still
[17:16]	schestowitz	way to get away from worse things
[17:17]	schestowitz-TR2	some companies I saw at work outsource their passwords to the NSA
[17:17]	schestowitz-TR2	like a bunch of tools
[17:17]	schestowitz-TR2	"don't worry! We're not PUTIN!"
[17:17]	bnchs	yes i would definitely trust
[17:17]	bnchs	a web app version of keeweb
[17:17]	bnchs	to not leak my database password
[17:17]	schestowitz-TR2	"I do't do anything interesting anyway!!"
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR2	you could firewall it
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR2	but better check the source carefully
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR2	it comes from the NSA
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR2	ShitHub
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR2	where the CSO is 15-year NSA veteran
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR2	they could even forge checksums you see
[17:19]	TR News	Emulate the MSX home computer with Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162446
[17:19]	TR Bot	 Emulate the MSX home computer with Linux | Tux Machines
[17:19]	bnchs	so theres
[17:19]	bnchs	electron version (non-free chromium engine and bloated RAM/CPU usage)
[17:19]	bnchs	or web app hosteed on the developer's website (possibly backdoored)
[17:21]	schestowitz-TR2	oh...
[17:21]	schestowitz-TR2	well..
[17:21]	schestowitz	yesterday I read gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2021-10-15-react-native-is-cursed.gmi
[17:21]	schestowitz	interesting
[17:21]	schestowitz	I did not link to it
[17:21]	schestowitz	"
[17:21]	schestowitz	Something about using Node JS to create a native mobile application just feels dirty to me.
[17:21]	schestowitz	I'll be on a team developing an Android/iOS app using React Native for the next year and I've just started to get my environment set up. That initial step took some time, but once it was done I was poking around and making changes to the starter template to see how it worked. I can say right away that I like the idea of not having to think about separate Android and iOS apps. But something still feels weird? Maybe I'm just cautious about so many 
[17:21]	schestowitz	parts of the app building process being hidden away.
[17:21]	schestowitz	"
[17:22]	TR News	My expectations have been exceeded; there are no regrets about leaving social control media and in fact the only regret is not doing that a lot sooner because life becomes a lot more productive (exposure to abuse and misinformation is also significantly lowered) http://techrights.org/2022/03/11/a-week-without-social-control-media/
[17:22]	TR Bot	 The Mind Works Better With All Social Control Media Turned Off | Techrights
[17:22]	TR News	Violations of the foundational document of the EPO have become so prevalent that one has to gasp and wonder if EPOnia is basically the EUs Kremlin (the dictators do anything they want, even in clear violation of the constitutions, with post hoc justifications and cover-up) http://techrights.org/2022/03/11/epc-just-a-piece-of-paper-and-now-paperless/
[17:22]	TR Bot	 The EPO in Violation of the EPC and Nobody Holds Anyone Accountable for Such Violations | Techrights
[17:23]	TR News	When the EPO is run by unscientific and arguably anti-scientific officials [1, 2] in the pockets of the patent litigation industry [sic] (or parasitic sector) we should not be too shocked by the sad state of the EPO http://techrights.org/2022/03/11/meme-when-corrupt-politicians-run-europes-largest-patent-office/
[17:23]	TR Bot	 [Meme] When Corrupt Politicians Run Europes Largest Patent Office | Techrights
[17:23]	TR News	The FSF shared the above video about 18 months ago http://techrights.org/2022/03/11/fsf-rewind/
[17:23]	TR Bot	 Rewind: Software Freedom Explained | Techrights
[17:23]	TR News	Free Software Foundation (FSF) executive director (ED) Zo Kooyman gave this closing talk almost a couple of years ago http://techrights.org/2022/03/11/zoe-kooyman-libreplanet-speech/
[17:23]	TR Bot	 Zo Kooyman: Its Important to Listen to Community Members About What They Think the FSF Should Focus on | Techrights
[17:24]	TR News	xkcd: False Dichotomy https://xkcd.com/2592/
[17:24]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2592/
[17:24]	TR Bot	False Dichotomy
[17:25]	schestowitz-TR2	https://nitter.eu/WokeGoBroke/status/1502152344150020098#m
[17:25]	TR Bot	 Mr. McLinky (@WokeGoBroke): "Interesting https://techrights.org/2020/07/02/ddg-privacy-abuser-in-disguise/" | nitter
[17:25]	schestowitz-TR2	https://nitter.eu/TammaroDee/status/1502224261846556674#m
[17:25]	TR Bot	 Dee Tammaro (@TammaroDee): "I just located this article from 2020. Question is who do we use now?? http://techrights.org/2020/07/02/ddg-privacy-abuser-in-disguise/" | nitter
[17:25]	schestowitz-TR2	https://nitter.eu/zoobab/status/1502284530241220610#m
[17:25]	TR Bot	 zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): "UPC: Breton does not answer on the compatibility of the UPC with EU law, going in circles with what is a "common court". European Commission was supposed to be the "guardian of the treaties", but they ignore legal problems when they want http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/breton-lies-again/ #upc" | nitter
[17:26]	bnchs	twitter is a mental asylum
[17:26]	schestowitz-TR2	it wasn't ALWAYS
[17:26]	schestowitz-TR2	I must say
[17:26]	schestowitz-TR2	remember you COULD linearly watch peopel YOU followed
[17:26]	schestowitz-TR2	[09:51] <techrights-news> Boycott Twitter. It's just a propaganda and hate site. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/10/22971307/twitter-home-timeline-algorithmic-reverse-chronological-feed
[17:26]	TR Bot	 Twitter makes it harder to choose the old reverse-chronological feed - The Verge
[17:26]	schestowitz-TR2	this is the latest
[17:27]	schestowitz-TR2	now Twitter Inc. (Saudi butchers, Bill Gates) and the states decide for YOU what you need to see
[17:27]	schestowitz-TR2	that's just TV broadcast
[17:27]	schestowitz-TR2	but worse
[17:27]	schestowitz-TR2	your national TV is national
[17:27]	schestowitz-TR2	this is global propaganda
[17:27]	bnchs	schestowitz-TR2, twitter is actually full of retards who unironically believe stupid things
[17:27]	schestowitz-TR2	so Butcher Bin Salman can push things into my screen
[17:27]	schestowitz-TR2	using the oil he extracts from beneath the soil
[17:28]	bnchs	and maybe feminists who really hate men
[17:28]	schestowitz-TR2	that too
[17:28]	schestowitz-TR2	they flourish there
[17:28]	schestowitz-TR2	because they are immune
[17:28]	bnchs	and maybe maybe zoophiles and pedophiles
[17:28]	schestowitz-TR2	twitter does not ban them
[17:28]	schestowitz-TR2	so they embrace this platform
[17:28]	schestowitz-TR2	and spread in it
[17:29]	schestowitz-TR2	making groups and cliques
[17:29]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/
[17:29]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media: Where Cancel Culture Thrives | Techrights
[17:29]	bnchs	they even have pronouns in their bio
[17:29]	bnchs	and sometimes  the pronouns are a bit dumb
[17:29]	schestowitz	http://hintjens.wikidot.com/blog:114
[17:29]	TR Bot	 Why I've Quit Twitter - Hintjens.com
[17:29]	schestowitz	bnchs: that's not that
[17:30]	schestowitz	it's a lot of cliques
[17:30]	schestowitz	warhawks
[17:30]	schestowitz	Trumpers
[17:30]	schestowitz	even people planning to attack the Capitol
[17:30]	bnchs	yes
[17:30]	schestowitz	then you have racial minorities
[17:30]	schestowitz	and in ethiopia
[17:30]	schestowitz	tigray
[17:31]	schestowitz	or in rohinga
[17:31]	bnchs	they actually 'dox' you for having the wrong opinon
[17:31]	bnchs	in twitter
[17:31]	bnchs	it's an unsafe platform
[17:31]	schestowitz	anyway
[17:31]	schestowitz	like I said earlier
[17:31]	schestowitz	Twitter was NOT always like that
[17:31]	bnchs	yes
[17:31]	schestowitz	with campaigns
[17:31]	schestowitz	it was about you following some friends
[17:31]	schestowitz	but that does not sell ads and political agenda
[17:31]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/
[17:31]	TR Bot	 Reality is Warped When You Pay for Perception Management (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | Techrights
[17:40]	TR News	"I created accounts for my family, so we can talk using our own hardware, free from surveillance capitalism and garbage. I believe one of the most important things for modern IM clients are push notifications." gemini://avalos.me/gemlog/2021-04-25-xmpp-adventures.gmi
[17:41]	TR News	"tar is a shell utility for making archives, often called "tarballs", which store several files. tar is a Unix-native file format, and includes information about file ownership and modes. This makes it very useful for moving groups files around on Unix systems." gemini://drewdevault.com/2022/02/17/tar-is-good-actually.gmi
[17:42]	bnchs	tar is tape archive
[17:42]	bnchs	so what if you tar to a DVD
[17:44]	MinceR	tar and feather
[17:44]	schestowitz-TR2	it is robust
[17:45]	schestowitz-TR2	because it's linear
[17:45]	schestowitz-TR2	if one file is corrupt, you might be OK
[17:45]	schestowitz-TR2	like with tapes
[17:45]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22030655
[17:45]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/jcizwsx9xvk81.jpg created on 2022-03-06 18:55:07.782653
[17:45]	schestowitz-TR2	rather than everything failing because of CRC f*up
[17:46]	schestowitz	MinceR: bless him
[17:46]	bnchs	i'm working with a proprietary filegroup file format that doesn't store filenames
[17:46]	bnchs	but CRC32 of the filenames
[17:47]	TR News	Everything you thought you know about the Internet was wrong https://bitport.hu/kozossegi-internetrendorseget-javasolnak-oroszorszag-ellen-egyes-szakertok see http://techrights.org/2022/03/09/breaking-internet/
[17:47]	TR Bot	 Kzssgi internetrendrsget javasolnak Oroszorszg ellen egyes szakrtk - Bitport Informatika az zlet nyelvn
[17:47]	TR Bot	 The Internet is Breaking and We Need Contingencies | Techrights
[17:47]	schestowitz-TR2	bnchs: we might soon make a tar archive of the whole of techrights
[17:48]	schestowitz-TR2	gmi files, no images
[17:48]	bnchs	yes
[17:48]	schestowitz-TR2	for download for offline use
[17:48]	bnchs	and store it in a dvd
[17:49]	TR News	Joseph 'Stalin' Biden, do not PURGE the Internet https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-10/biden-needs-to-protect-russian-internet-access-groups-warn http://techrights.org/2022/03/09/breaking-internet/
[17:49]	TR Bot	- Are you a robot?
[17:49]	schestowitz-TR2	when he was VP
[17:49]	schestowitz-TR2	with Obama
[17:49]	schestowitz-TR2	many articles appeared about the US "Internet killswitch"
[17:50]	psydroid2	20,000 USD or 20,000 INR?
[17:50]	psydroid2	that makes quite a difference :D
[17:51]	TR News	The OSI can do elections, at long last? https://opensource.org/how-members-will-vote-for-osi-directors see http://techrights.org/2021/07/29/osi-privacy-issues/ http://techrights.org/wiki/Open_Source_Initiative
[17:51]	TR Bot	 How members will vote for OSI directors | Open Source Initiative | Guaranteeing the 'our' in source...
[17:51]	TR Bot	 The OSIs Defunct Elections (Privacy Breach), Conflict of Interest (Nicholson), and Other Lingering Problems | Techrights
[17:51]	TR Bot	 Open Source Initiative - Techrights
[17:51]	bnchs	schestowitz-TR2, why not the images aswell
[17:51]	bnchs	maybe the videos
[17:51]	TR News	#HowTo install XeroLinux 2022.03.06 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AWU0SjeaxBY
[17:51]	TR Bot	 How to install XeroLinux 2022.03.06 - Invidious
[17:52]	schestowitz-TR2	bnchs: too large
[17:52]	schestowitz-TR2	about 200gb
[17:52]	schestowitz-TR2	compressed text can be maybe 200mb
[17:52]	schestowitz-TR2	I've not checked
[17:52]	schestowitz-TR2	iirc, it's 2gb when expanded
[17:52]	schestowitz-TR2	gmi (no markup)
[17:52]	bnchs	lol
[17:53]	bnchs	wait really?
[17:53]	bnchs	the majority of the space must be videos
[17:53]	bnchs	what about the images
[17:53]	schestowitz	~/gemini $ du -sh
[17:53]	schestowitz	1.6G    .
[17:54]	schestowitz	~/gemini $ find | wc -l
[17:54]	schestowitz	85890
[17:54]	bnchs	what about the images
[17:54]	schestowitz-TR2	a LOT more
[17:54]	schestowitz-TR2	and PDFs etc
[17:56]	TR News	Zorin OS 16.1 Released with Better Hardware Compatibility http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162392#comment-33033
[17:56]	TR Bot	 Zorin OS 16.1 is Here, Creators to Donate All Profits from Zorin OS Pro to Aid Ukraine | Tux Machines
[17:57]	TR News	Chris Titus Tech [sic]: "Live - Optimizing Windows for Gaming"... back to his Microsoft shilling I see... :/ http://techrights.org/2022/02/15/youtube-spam-rewarding-junk/
[17:57]	TR Bot	 YouTube is Becoming Mostly SPAM | Techrights
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[18:04]	bnchs	optimizing windows for gaming
[18:04]	bnchs	i thought it was already optimized
[18:06]	psydroid2	deoptimised
[18:08]	psydroid2	windows should be like reactos, but they put all kinds of junk it
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[18:51]	activelow	https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-legalizes-bitcoin-btc-cryptocurrencies-033215045.html
[18:51]	TR Bot	 Ukraine Legalizes Bitcoin (BTC) and Cryptocurrencies
[18:52]	SomeH4x0r	:(
[18:52]	activelow	in parallel begging for helmets and military equipment to "defend Ukraine", which was whose cash pocket?
[18:52]	activelow	few days later boots on the ground and explosions around every corner
[18:52]	activelow	BTC was one of the missing pieces
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[19:14]	activelow	zapping last weekend, i noticed bitcoin trading was advertised in crowded german soccer stadiums, which re-opened after the corona lock-down
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[19:26]	MinceR	(cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/hNU2aS7
[19:26]	TR Bot	- Album on Imgur
[19:26]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://imgur.com/t/cats/hNU2aS7
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[19:42]	bnchs__	hello
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[19:49]	iphonix	welcome to the struggle
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[19:50]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, T-Mobile users say their Play Store is working again.
[19:50]	DaemonFC	According to DownDetector the complaints of Play Store downtime went down 95% last night after 9 PM EST.
[19:50]	DaemonFC	So whatever T-Mobile did happened then.
[19:50]	DaemonFC	They still deny they ever had a problem.
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[19:52]	iphonix	their back
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[19:53]	iphonix	they didnt have a problem their clients did
[19:53]	DaemonFC	good point
[19:53]	bnchs___	hello did i joinflood the channel
[19:53]	iphonix	they still get payed the same
[19:53]	iphonix	paid
[19:54]	bnchs___	my ISP is kinda raping my connection
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[19:57]	iphonix	it sucks to be bnchs__
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[19:58]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22030523
[19:58]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/ob5c0oujcwk81.jpg created on 2022-03-05 14:56:15.184465
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● Mar 11
[20:00]	DaemonFC	We got our state tax return.
[20:00]	DaemonFC	The bank says "STATE OF ILL".
[20:00]	DaemonFC	:)
[20:00]	DaemonFC	They hate this shitheap as much as I do, I guess.
[20:00]	DaemonFC	Or they ran out of letters.
[20:00]	DaemonFC	One or the other.
[20:01]	MinceR	:>
[20:01]	iphonix	does russia also produces ink?
[20:01]	MinceR	maybe they have a DEPARTMENT OF PLANN
[20:01]	DaemonFC	They do. It's a really ILL PLANN.
[20:02]	DaemonFC	35% youth unemployment.
[20:02]	DaemonFC	Economic output cut 5% every year that PRICKSTER is in office with his ILL PLANNing.
[20:02]	iphonix	30% are self employed
[20:02]	MinceR	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUqOjHpUUAAxqSm?format=jpg&name=orig
[20:03]	DaemonFC	<iphonix> 30% are self employed
[20:03]	DaemonFC	14 year old in Chicago filing their tax return.
[20:03]	DaemonFC	MISC INCOME: DRUGS AND PIMPING. CARJACKINGS.
[20:04]	MinceR	:)
[20:04]	DaemonFC	BUSINESS EXPENSES: MACHINE GUN
[20:04]	DaemonFC	BAIL
[20:04]	DaemonFC	RETIREMENT PLAN CONTRIBUTIONS: COMCAST SUPPORT AT STATE PENITENTIARY
[20:04]	MinceR	is that an ASSAULT RIFLE, SUBMACHINE GUN, PERSONAL DEFENSE WEAPON, LIGHT MACHINEGUN, CREW-SERVED AUTOMATIC WEAPON or something else?
[20:05]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Whichever classification qualifies to max the tax deduction for the year in question.
[20:05]	MinceR	:>
[20:06]	iphonix	you still have to choose or no return
[20:06]	MinceR	could be a BATTLE RIFLE also
[20:06]	MinceR	or ASSAULT CARBINE
[20:06]	DaemonFC	I love how the IRS never charges them with tax evasion when they were convicted of selling drugs and stolen cars in state court.
[20:06]	DaemonFC	You still owe taxes on the proceeds of criminal activities.
[20:07]	DaemonFC	The IRS says you pay taxes on stolen property unless you return it to the rightful owner within the same tax year.
[20:07]	DaemonFC	Says that in the 1040 instructions.
[20:07]	iphonix	wouldnt that make them legal?
[20:07]	DaemonFC	No, it's still a crime.
[20:07]	DaemonFC	But it's another crime (federal) not to pay taxes on the crime.
[20:07]	iphonix	if you pay the tax becomes legal
[20:07]	DaemonFC	No, it does not become legal.
[20:08]	DaemonFC	But you don't actually have to tell them where you got the money.
[20:08]	DaemonFC	You can put it all down as self-employment income and pay taxes on it that way.
[20:08]	iphonix	the irs cant make a profit on ilegal activities with out being an acomplice
[20:09]	DaemonFC	Since they can charge you with federal tax evasion AND failure to file a return for each year you declare no income, and they can go back six years, you potentially face 12 felonies when they catch you, on top of whatever the underlying crime was that made you the income.
[20:09]	DaemonFC	And the state can charge tax evasion of their own as well. :)
[20:09]	iphonix	that makes no senxe
[20:09]	iphonix	sense
[20:10]	DaemonFC	It's the government.
[20:10]	DaemonFC	They got Capone for tax evasion.
[20:10]	DaemonFC	He got 11 years iirc.
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[20:10]	DaemonFC	They never charged him with prohibition offenses, murder, conspiracy to commit murder, racketeering, or anything else.
[20:10]	DaemonFC	Just tax fraud.
[20:10]	iphonix	because he didnt have the recipt from the money he deposited?
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[20:10]	DaemonFC	No, they got his accountant to testify against him.
[20:11]	DaemonFC	He kept a ledger of money coming in and going out, and it was encoded in such a way they couldn't prove anything except that he made money and paid no tax on it.
[20:12]	iphonix	we should have paid the taxes and could walk
[20:12]	DaemonFC	Usually, the IRS has to prove the case some other way.
[20:12]	DaemonFC	You have financial transactions with a bank without declaring any income (including apps such as PayPal or Venmo).
[20:13]	iphonix	couldnt he claim that it want really money but beans?
[20:13]	DaemonFC	You have substantial assets that cannot be explained without having an income, or can only be explained if you have more money than you declared.
[20:13]	TR News	Desktop Cube GNOME Extension Now Supports Background Panoramas Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162447
[20:13]	TR Bot	 Desktop Cube GNOME Extension Now Supports Background Panoramas | Tux Machines
[20:14]	DaemonFC	Well, if you declare you made $40,000 last year and somehow there's two new Mercedes registered in your name and a $400,000 house, and you have money in the bank....
[20:14]	DaemonFC	The IRS is going to call bullshit eventually.
[20:15]	iphonix	also that guy from the dicaprio movie
[20:15]	DaemonFC	That's why they want to get rid of cash.
[20:15]	iphonix	that sold fake startups
[20:15]	DaemonFC	If you don't use the banking system, it's harder for automated processes to spy on you.
[20:15]	iphonix	before startup was a thing
[20:15]	DaemonFC	The Treasury can look into any US bank account it wants to.
[20:16]	DaemonFC	If they see suspicious patterns, they flag you for an investigation.
[20:17]	iphonix	he put the money on Switzerland and still the feds go to it
[20:18]	iphonix	he also had a yatch
[20:18]	MinceR	11 210834 < iphonix> the irs cant make a profit on ilegal activities with out being an acomplice
[20:18]	MinceR	that's an interesting argument
[20:18]	MinceR	has anyone used it in court yet?
[20:20]	iphonix	isnt that like being a recptor of stolen goods
[20:20]	TR News	Linux Virtual Consoles Explained: What They Are and #HowTo Access Them Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162448
[20:20]	TR Bot	 Linux Virtual Consoles Explained: What They Are and How to Access Them | Tux Machines
[20:20]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162449
[20:20]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[20:20]	TR News	Stable Kernels: 5.16.14, 5.15.28, 5.10.105, 5.4.184, 4.19.234, 4.14.271, and 4.9.306 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162450
[20:20]	TR Bot	 Stable Kernels: 5.16.14, 5.15.28, 5.10.105, 5.4.184, 4.19.234, 4.14.271, and 4.9.306 | Tux Machines
[20:20]	MinceR	IANAL
[20:21]	TR News	Cluster-focused SBC features octa-core RK3588 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162411#comment-33034
[20:21]	TR Bot	 Mixtile Blade 3 - A Rockchip RK3588 Pico-ITX board for server applications | Tux Machines
[20:21]	DaemonFC	<MinceR> has anyone used it in court yet?
[20:21]	iphonix	The Wolf of Wall Street thats the movie
[20:21]	DaemonFC	The IRS controls the tax courts.
[20:21]	DaemonFC	And has Sovereign Immunity.
[20:22]	iphonix	thats like a get out of jail card
[20:22]	MinceR	"it has just been revoked!"
[20:25]	MinceR	the IRS having "sovereign immunity" doesn't sound like rule of law to me, though
[20:26]	iphonix	"sovereign immunity" sounds like monarchy
[20:26]	MinceR	indeed
[20:29]	TR News	'Clown' computing is itself a security breach; you're lost control of your data https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/improve-your-hybrid-cloud-security-these-3-tips
[20:29]	TR Bot	 Improve your hybrid cloud security with these 3 tips
[20:30]	TR News	Greg Guice To Testify Before FCC on Broadband Consumer Labels - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/greg-guice-to-testify-before-fcc-on-broadband-consumer-labels/
[20:30]	TR Bot	 Greg Guice To Testify Before FCC on Broadband Consumer Labels - Public Knowledge
[20:31]	TR News	openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/10 https://dominique.leuenberger.net/blog/2022/03/opensuse-tumbleweed-review-of-the-week-2022-10/
[20:31]	TR Bot	 openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/10 Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*)
[20:32]	DaemonFC	<iphonix> "sovereign immunity" sounds like monarchy
[20:32]	DaemonFC	The concept is. State governments have it too.
[20:32]	DaemonFC	They pass laws saying under what circumstances they'll allow themselves to be sued in their courts.
[20:32]	MinceR	https://64.media.tumblr.com/fcacdd978c0404675a5ca10f496a15df/tumblr_p5oytjNFgd1u53c30o1_1280.jpg
[20:33]	TR News	Xfce accepted to Google Summer of Code 2022 https://alexxcons.github.io/blogpost_4.html
[20:33]	TR Bot	 Alexxcon's Software Development Blog
[20:34]	TR News	QuatBot 0.3 released https://euroquis.nl//blabla/2022/03/11/quatbot.html it needs to be removed from Microsoft proprietary software prison (GitHub) and into KDE instead. Its home is hostile.
[20:34]	TR Bot	 QuatBot 0.3 released | [bobulate]
[20:35]	TR News	New Commodore 64 Keycaps https://cubiclenate.com/2022/03/11/new-commodore-64-keycaps/
[20:35]	TR Bot	Commodore 64 Keycaps CubicleNate's Techpad
[20:37]	TR News	"or a while someone has been trying hard to discredit SparkyLinux on Distrowatch, writing (users review) that there is a problem with the EFI and so, making Sparky useless in his opinion. I understand that not everyone likes SparkyLinux" https://sparkylinux.org/having-trouble-with-sparky-go-to-our-forums/
[20:37]	TR Bot	 Having trouble with Sparky? Go to our forums! SparkyLinux
[20:37]	iphonix	hence the term "hand down the law"
[20:39]	TR News	"I hope to see a decline in extremism in general. Most people are rational and are willing to build on common ground. That's easy to forget online where extremism drives engagement." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2021-12-10-re-five-questions.gmi
[20:39]	iphonix	No one is above the law - Rule of Law
[20:39]	iphonix	LOL
[20:39]	iphonix	No one is but the institution is
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[20:47]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162451
[20:47]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[20:48]	TR News	"nytpus criterion for determining whether a language is worth it to use or not and also a measure of whether the language designers care about the developers that use it" gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2021-02-18.gmi
[20:58]	TR News	There British media is not talking about it buut the number of people in hospital with COVID-19 climbed back to the level of last month https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom more in http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/
[20:58]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom )
[20:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com
● Mar 11
[21:00]	TR News	Krita. "Work in progress comic page on future episode 37 (and the opening of season 5) of Pepper&Carrot." https://www.davidrevoy.com/article899/work-in-progress-screenshot-ep-37
[21:00]	TR Bot	 Work in Progress screenshot (ep 37) - David Revoy
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[21:03]	TR News	Estimation of the number of "Decks" (KDE and Arch Linux) out there https://boilingsteam.com/so-how-smooth-was-the-steam-deck-launch/ and games https://boilingsteam.com/1300-games-on-the-steam-deck-including-hitman-2-as-verified/
[21:03]	TR Bot	 So, How Smooth was the Steam Deck Launch? - Boiling Steam
[21:03]	TR Bot	 1300 Games On The Steam Deck, Including Hitman 2 as Verified - Boiling Steam
[21:04]	TR News	Gulag and Stadia https://gizmodo.com/google-is-teaching-developers-to-port-windows-games-to-1848637025 this is misleading because the games run on GNU/Linux with something like WINE
[21:04]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gizmodo.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://gizmodo.com/google-is-teaching-developers-to-port-windows-games-to-1848637025
[21:04]	TR Bot	 Google Is Teaching Developers to Port Windows Games to Stadia
[21:06]	TR News	Robolinux 12.04 is out http://www.robolinux.org/
[21:06]	TR Bot	to Robolinux.org
[21:07]	SomeH4x0r	what does Steam Deck run? Steam OS?
[21:07]	SomeH4x0r	Proton-ported Windows games?
[21:07]	schestowitz-TR2	no
[21:07]	schestowitz-TR2	let me clarify
[21:07]	MinceR	probably steam os
[21:07]	schestowitz-TR2	yes
[21:07]	schestowitz-TR2	but that's just arch linus
[21:07]	schestowitz-TR2	*nix
[21:07]	schestowitz-TR2	with application level DRM
[21:07]	schestowitz-TR2	for the steam store thing
[21:08]	schestowitz-TR2	it runs with KDE
[21:08]	schestowitz-TR2	and has some sort of desktop mode
[21:08]	schestowitz-TR2	this means some buyers can get introduced to the OS
[21:08]	schestowitz-TR2	they might even install it on another machine later
[21:08]	schestowitz-TR2	what's fascinating about it,
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR2	many game developers finally get around to testing with or porting to gnu/linux
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR2	because they view those handheld DRM machines as potential business/sales
[21:09]	SomeH4x0r	so is Steam Deck just some kind of PC with the weird OS pre-installed?
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR2	yes
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR2	and Microsofty hates it
[21:09]	schestowitz-TR2	and attempts to undermine iot
[21:10]	schestowitz-TR2	to many people "games" is why they stay with Windows
[21:10]	SomeH4x0r	handheld though, meaning worse input devices?
[21:10]	SomeH4x0r	I never seen how it looks
[21:10]	TR News	"You can find the source code at my Github." No, it's not yours. It is Microsoft's and the NSA's. Consider moving. https://mathtodata.medium.com/data-science-learning-trajectory-52a5f4391bf9
[21:10]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: medium.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://mathtodata.medium.com/data-science-learning-trajectory-52a5f4391bf9
[21:10]	TR Bot	 Data Science Learning Trajectory Mining with BeautifulSoup, NetworkX and Pyvis | by Timmy Chan | Mar, 2022 | Medium
[21:12]	TR News	Rust outsourced its calendars, not just meeting minutes and code, to Microsoft proprietary software prison. https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/03/11/mar-steering-cycle.html
[21:12]	TR Bot	 Rust Compiler March 2022 Steering Cycle | Inside Rust Blog
[21:12]	SomeH4x0r	yes, seems to be crippled
[21:13]	TR News	"SpiderMonkey is the JavaScript engine used in Mozilla Firefox. This newsletter gives an overview of the JavaScript and WebAssembly work weve done as part of the Firefox 98 and 99 Nightly release cycles." https://spidermonkey.dev/blog/2022/03/11/newsletter-firefox-98-99.html
[21:13]	TR Bot	 SpiderMonkey Newsletter (Firefox 98-99) | SpiderMonkey JavaScript/WebAssembly Engine
[21:13]	TR News	Firefox Nightly: These Weeks In Firefox: Issue 111 https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/11/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-111/
[21:13]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/11/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-111/
[21:13]	TR Bot	 These Weeks In Firefox: Issue 111 Firefox Nightly News
[21:13]	TR News	"Update on what happened across the GNOME project in the week from March 04 to March 11." https://thisweek.gnome.org/posts/2022/03/twig-34/
[21:13]	TR Bot	 #34 No Backup No Mercy This Week in GNOME
[21:14]	schestowitz-TR2	SomeH4x0r: like most games
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR2	the peripherals suck
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR2	they have barely evolved since sega days
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR2	steam deck looks like my old gamegear
[21:15]	SomeH4x0r	lack of keyboard makes me feel a bit bad, assuming it must be a general-purpose computer
[21:15]	schestowitz-TR2	and the old nintendo remotes aren't much worse than the latest
[21:16]	schestowitz-TR2	SomeH4x0r: I reckon you can plug one in over usb
[21:16]	SomeH4x0r	it is fine if it is some console
[21:16]	schestowitz-TR2	but the screeen is small
[21:16]	SomeH4x0r	another bad thing with "modern" devices
[21:17]	SomeH4x0r	some "modern" PC having no VGA port because some entities wants us to think it is "obsolete"
[21:17]	TR News	Apparently Microsoft Windows TCO strikes again https://www.engadget.com/samsung-hack-galaxy-source-code-131034416.html
[21:17]	TR Bot	confirms hackers compromised its systems and stole Galaxy source code | Engadget
[21:17]	iphonix	steam deck to stream your games to your mobilephone
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR2	SomeH4x0r: my lapdop uses VGA right now
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR2	for the external screen, it's my main laptop
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR2	I have a spare external too for it
[21:17]	schestowitz-TR2	VGA only
[21:18]	schestowitz-TR2	to me, to the naked eye, hdmi looks the same as vga
[21:18]	SomeH4x0r	except HDMI has DRM
[21:18]	schestowitz-TR2	yes, I know
[21:18]	schestowitz-TR2	it's a hopping poiny
[21:18]	schestowitz-TR2	which is why it should be rejected when possible
[21:19]	iphonix	DRM? what does that do?
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR2	it enabls back things
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR2	for audio and video
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR2	like cables that treat you as an enemy
[21:19]	iphonix	thats nvidea
[21:19]	schestowitz-TR2	the same is true for usb-letter (c) sockets
[21:19]	iphonix	nvidia
[21:20]	schestowitz-TR2	headphone jack is fine
[21:20]	schestowitz-TR2	good enough quality under all circumstances
[21:20]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162452
[21:20]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[21:21]	schestowitz-TR2	instead of making inventions that improve quality
[21:21]	schestowitz-TR2	they invent in the direction of screwing customers
[21:21]	schestowitz-TR2	some "innnovvvvation..."
[21:21]	iphonix	once 16k tvs come out you will need a pair of special glasses to take advantage of the extended image quality
[21:21]	iphonix	eagle eys googles
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR2	ha
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR2	there was also stereo-vision
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR2	cannot remember the last time we went to the cinema with those
[21:22]	iphonix	stereo-vision is 3d
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR2	are they still making movies for these glasses?
[21:22]	schestowitz-TR2	I've not paid attention due to covid19
[21:22]	SomeH4x0r	I went to such cinema a few years ago
[21:23]	SomeH4x0r	not "covid19", but evil regimes
[21:23]	schestowitz-TR2	right now the "industry" just adds more pixels you cannot see anyway
[21:23]	schestowitz-TR2	unless you sit 1 meter from the TV set
[21:23]	iphonix	i saw that 3d movie
[21:23]	iphonix	with that blue guy
[21:23]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, Was that a glitch last night or is Mr. Goolag back?
[21:23]	iphonix	whats was the name?
[21:24]	schestowitz-TR2	galaxy
[21:24]	schestowitz-TR2	guardians of
[21:24]	iphonix	any way that was the last time i when to the cinema
[21:24]	schestowitz-TR2	or maybe you mean avatar
[21:24]	iphonix	no way back
[21:24]	iphonix	the 1st 3d modern movie
[21:24]	iphonix	avatar yes
[21:25]	schestowitz-TR2	movies no longer sell well
[21:25]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe they don't want to invest in stereo-visual filming
[21:25]	schestowitz-TR2	instead, they make drm
[21:26]	schestowitz-TR2	so they can sell you over ando over and over again the same movies fromm the 90s
[21:26]	iphonix	the best thing will be implanted directly in your brain
[21:26]	SomeH4x0r	better die than get DRM implanted
[21:26]	schestowitz-TR2	your head is "authorised"
[21:27]	schestowitz-TR2	for viewing
[21:27]	kingoffrance	""sovereign immunity" doesn't sound like rule of law to me"  because it isnt. its back to the old world "grace" system ;)
[21:27]	iphonix	think of the children
[21:27]	kingoffrance	or, the pharaoh system if you prefer ;)
[21:27]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: SomeH4x0r wanted all the limitations removed
[21:28]	schestowitz-TR2	if the channel devolves again into sex and threat, we'll get back to where it was
[21:29]	SomeH4x0r	schestowitz-TR2: https://xkcd.com/129/
[21:29]	TR Bot	Content Protection
[21:29]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/129/
[21:29]	iphonix	implanted directly in your brain you can smell feel and even experiance emotional sensations
[21:29]	iphonix	sounds like a killer tech
[21:30]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe for "business" people
[21:30]	iphonix	its gona be disruptive
[21:30]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe they'll charge you extra to also smell what you eat
[21:30]	schestowitz-TR2	burger will have 3 tiers
[21:30]	schestowitz-TR2	no smell, no taste
[21:30]	schestowitz-TR2	only taste
[21:30]	iphonix	and to taste what you smell
[21:30]	schestowitz-TR2	smell and taste
[21:30]	schestowitz-TR2	choose your option
[21:31]	schestowitz-TR2	there will be food privacy
[21:31]	schestowitz-TR2	people breaking the system
[21:31]	iphonix	if you dont get premium you will smell crap every 5m of viewing
[21:31]	schestowitz-TR2	to be able to also smell the burger without paying
[21:31]	schestowitz-TR2	"pirates"!
[21:31]	schestowitz-TR2	the industry is DESTROYED by these people
[21:31]	schestowitz-TR2	they enjoy something in the food WITHOUT paying extra
[21:32]	schestowitz-TR2	"FUCKING PIRATES!"
[21:32]	iphonix	you can even die from unger felling like you have you belly fulll
[21:32]	schestowitz-TR2	the cows ("artists") will be out oft he job
[21:33]	schestowitz-TR2	they will sign treaties with nations
[21:33]	schestowitz-TR2	imposing on them royalties for unlocking smell of food
[21:33]	schestowitz-TR2	otherwise, they will be shunned from "development programmes"
[21:34]	iphonix	channel will be making a bundle
[21:34]	iphonix	they got that smell patented
[21:34]	schestowitz-TR2	coca chanel?
[21:34]	schestowitz-TR2	coco
[21:35]	iphonix	the perfume corp
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR2	btw, monopolies of smells and taste were tested in court last year
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR2	iirc, the judge denied them
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR2	it's a step too far
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR2	and how do you even assess similarity?
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR2	jury smelling things?
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR2	"huilty!"
[21:35]	iphonix	you get a robot snifer
[21:35]	schestowitz-TR2	*guilty!"
[21:36]	schestowitz-TR2	iphonix: what about taste?
[21:36]	schestowitz-TR2	the robots digests it?
[21:36]	iphonix	same thing
[21:36]	iphonix	its all chemicals anyway
[21:36]	schestowitz-TR2	anyway, it's a darm stupid system
[21:36]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2018/08/02/design-patents-legitimacy/
[21:36]	TR Bot	 Design Patents: When Appearances Rather Than Inventions and Functions Are Oddly Enough Covered by Patents, Not Copyrights or Trademarks | Techrights
[21:37]		*immibis_ is now known as immibis
[21:37]	immibis	probably similar to copyright. If it walks like the same smell and quacks like the same smell, it's the same smell
[21:37]	iphonix	taste and smell are our own Chemical analysis system
[21:38]	immibis	VGA is literally oboslete. literally. just like COM ports
[21:38]	schestowitz-TR2	I still use it
[21:38]	immibis	and manual transmission
[21:38]	schestowitz-TR2	so it's not oboslete to me
[21:39]	iphonix	they just trained ants to smell cancer in under 30m
[21:39]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162453
[21:39]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[21:40]	iphonix	https://www.cell.com/iscience/fulltext/S2589-0042(22)00229-2
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[21:40]	TR Bot	 DEFINE_ME
[21:41]	iphonix	they say they are just as aquarate as dogs
[21:42]	MinceR	(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wK4_5-96Z8
[21:42]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9wK4_5-96Z8
[21:42]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | The Exciting of Trains (Official) - Invidious
[21:42]	iphonix	accurate
[21:43]	iphonix	https://newatlas.com/computers/googles-deepmind-ai-gaps-ancient-texts/
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[21:43]	TR Bot	 Google's DeepMind AI fills in the blanks on broken ancient texts
[21:43]	iphonix	they can go as far as iol at least
[21:44]	iphonix	aol
[21:45]	psydroid2	I'm wondering which computer systems and software are left that are not tools for the state
[21:45]	activelow	^ gigatron
[21:46]	schestowitz-TR2	is that so? how?
[21:47]	iphonix	https://newatlas.com/computers/myheritage-livestory/
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[21:47]	TR Bot	 Deepfake tool gives animated life stories of dead relatives a voice
[21:48]	iphonix	maybe we can trick it to get putin saying hes going to end war on ucrania
[21:49]	activelow	schestowitz-TR2: it builds upon designs pre-dating the 1984 semiconductor protection act
[21:49]	activelow	to keep it brief
[21:49]	activelow	anything else since then is rigged
[21:50]	schestowitz-TR2	as in, user-hostile?
[21:50]	schestowitz-TR2	define rigged
[21:50]	schestowitz-TR2	I am interested in your findings
[21:50]	activelow	corrupted by USA
[21:50]	schestowitz-TR2	why 1984?
[21:50]	activelow	and their pentagon-corprate interests
[21:50]	schestowitz-TR2	what happened then?
[21:50]	iphonix	big brother happend
[21:51]	schestowitz-TR2	yeah, apart from that symbolism
[21:51]	activelow	1984 the semiconductor protection act was introduced, to "protect" certain interests
[21:51]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_Chip_Protection_Act_of_1984
[21:51]	TR Bot	 Semiconductor Chip Protection Act of 1984 - Wikipedia
[21:51]	schestowitz	ah, I see...
[21:51]	schestowitz	inreresting
[21:51]	schestowitz	"The Semiconductor Chip Protection Act of 1984 (or SCPA) is an act of the US Congress that makes the layouts of integrated circuits legally protected upon registration, and hence illegal to copy without permission. It is an integrated circuit layout design protection law."
[21:52]	activelow	and 1990 the east-german semiconductur manufacturing was almost entirely dismantled
[21:52]	activelow	and, don't become confused by various performance data, either 4MHz or 4000MHz is a rather boring  scaling criteria
[21:52]	activelow	which says little to nothing about freedom
[21:52]	schestowitz-TR2	I was 2
[21:53]	schestowitz-TR2	so even my first PC was "corrupted"
[21:53]	TR News	Links 11/3/2022: FreeBSD 13.1 Beta and QuatBot 0.3 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/11/quatbot-0-3/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/11/quatbot-0-3/
[21:53]	TR Bot	 Links 11/3/2022: FreeBSD 13.1 Beta and QuatBot 0.3 | Techrights
[21:54]	schestowitz-TR2	activelow: when USA collapses like USSR, who will take over harware?
[21:54]	iphonix	thats just a copyright thing its not tpm or drm
[21:54]	schestowitz-TR2	does china still follow those same guidelines?
[21:54]	schestowitz-TR2	considering what the seditionist did to them?
[21:54]	TR News	Links 11/3/2022: FreeBSD 13.1 Beta and QuatBot 0.3 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/11/quatbot-0-3/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/11/quatbot-0-3/
[21:54]	activelow	schestowitz-TR2: the relevant knowledge is rotting already
[21:55]	activelow	except for some tiny fringe niches, and even those are poisoned
[21:55]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162454
[21:55]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[21:55]	TR News	Debian: Sparky Forums and Some Debian Activites Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162455
[21:55]	TR Bot	 Debian: Sparky Forums and Some Debian Activites | Tux Machines
[21:55]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162456
[21:55]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[21:55]	activelow	and even if USA didn't collapse, the "advanced" tech industry will, question isn't if anymore
[21:56]	activelow	in recent decades this was coped with by replacing a generation of electronic waste with an even more gigantic mounting of crap every few month
[21:56]	TR News	LOL. Get rid of it and get a machine WITHOUT NSA back doors. https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/guides/practical-guide-to-securing-your-mac/
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[21:56]	TR Bot	 A Practical Guide to Securing Your Mac | Reviews by Wirecutter
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[21:57]	TR News	A Penguin Faces Death by Leopard Seal in Jaw-Dropping Grand Prize Image https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/leopard-seal-hunting-gentoo-penguin-also-snags-first-place-in-world-nature-photography-awards-180979715/ https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/world-nature-photography-award-winners/
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[21:57]	TR Bot	 A Penguin Faces Death by Leopard Seal in Jaw-Dropping Grand Prize Image | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine
[21:57]	TR Bot	 A leopard seal catches her lunch: The World Nature Photography Award winners - BBC Science Focus Magazine
[21:58]	activelow	if we're lucky, hopefully, some of the "obsolete" knowledge and manufacturing will remain intact, if at all
[21:58]	activelow	the east-german one is gone
[21:59]	iphonix	https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-retpoline-2022&num=1
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[21:59]	TR Bot	Performance Impact Of AMD Changing Their Retpoline Method For Spectre V2 - Phoronix
● Mar 11
[22:01]	TR News	What a truly awful article. BS. https://www.cdotrends.com/story/16254/kinder-gentler-cyberwar
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[22:01]	TR Bot	Kinder, Gentler Cyberwar | CDOTrends
[22:02]	TR News	5 years ago GNU/Linux was already better than the other OSes on the desktop/laptop https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/1/26/14399948/kde-slimbook-neon-laptop-linux-os-announced-price
[22:02]	TR Bot	 Would you pay $800 for a Linux laptop? - The Verge
[22:03]	TR News	Clown = delusion, hype, and deception https://finance.yahoo.com/news/68-members-join-cloud-native-170000745.html
[22:03]	TR Bot	 68 New Members Join the Cloud Native Computing Foundation
[22:03]	TR News	Outsourcing to Microsoft proprietary software https://www.awn.com/news/open-source-entertainment-how-academy-software-foundation-creates-shared-value-research-paper
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[22:03]	TR Bot	 Open Source in Entertainment: How the Academy Software Foundation Creates Shared Value Research Paper Released | Animation World Network
[22:03]	iphonix	cant seem to open the damn phoronix page
[22:04]	DaemonFC	It seems most of today's new sanctions on Russia are banning $1.2 billion of annual seafood imports.
[22:04]	DaemonFC	$900 million of which is crab.
[22:04]	DaemonFC	Much of the Free Software movement is in "developing" countries and Europe.
[22:05]	DaemonFC	It's a necessity. They can't afford lots of Windows licenses and/or they don't want their systems under the control of Microsoft.
[22:05]	TR News	"HEY HI" is buzzwords and nonsense, so femmewashing won't benefit from the association with mindless hype https://www.forbes.com/sites/markminevich/2022/03/10/the-9-inspirational-women-leaders-in-ai-shaping-the-21st-century/
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[22:05]	TR Bot	 The 9 Inspirational Women Leaders In AI Shaping The 21st Century
[22:05]	DaemonFC	Either way it's a good idea. Saves money, less backdoors and attack surface.
[22:05]	bnchs__	i like gemini and all
[22:05]	bnchs__	but one thing i like about old webpages is the backgrounds
[22:06]	bnchs__	they have these cool looping background (either brick wood or something)
[22:06]	bnchs__	repeating*
[22:06]	TR News	Wait a second. Gulag PAID MILLIONS to its manager, Andy Rubin, for getting blow jobs from subordinates (yes, he got PAID just to leave). How on Earth does Gulag have the audacity to claim that it protests women???? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-08/google-twitter-try-to-clamp-down-on-online-harassment-of-women?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google
[22:06]	TR Bot	- Are you a robot?
[22:06]	iphonix	you gota love the clourfull animated text
[22:06]	schestowitz	*protects
[22:07]	bnchs__	it's not the colorful animated text
[22:07]	schestowitz-TR2	bnchs__: you can use translucnacy in gemini
[22:07]	iphonix	its the Gulag what did you expect?
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[22:07]	schestowitz-TR2	to make your own background
[22:07]	schestowitz-TR2	even animated
[22:07]	bnchs__	schestowitz-TR2, translucnacy?
[22:08]	DaemonFC	I do like the way Lagrange presents it. I'm not sure if that's in the Gemtext specification or just client side.
[22:08]	bnchs__	also which i mean by repeating
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[22:08]	bnchs__	it's actually the image repeating in X and Y axis
[22:08]	bnchs__	not the image being animated
[22:08]	schestowitz-TR2	bnchs__: at desktop environment/window manager level
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[22:08]	schestowitz-TR2	all the application on this machine I type on have translucency
[22:08]	schestowitz-TR2	see-through
[22:08]	bnchs__	yes
[22:09]	bnchs__	i do have that with my compositor
[22:09]	schestowitz-TR2	this way you can handle more applications on one desktop
[22:09]	schestowitz-TR2	you see other processes
[22:09]	schestowitz-TR2	I use 7 screens at the moment
[22:10]	iphonix	https://icons8.com/animizer/images/animated-text-previews/in-turn-appearing.gif
[22:10]	TR Bot	( status 504 @ https://icons8.com/animizer/images/animated-text-previews/in-turn-appearing.gif )
[22:12]	iphonix	its seems they sanction russia lots of things but gun powder
[22:12]	TR News	"I cannot possibly understand why anyone would think that flatpak, snaps, appimages, or docker is the way to go." gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2021-09-01.gmi
[22:12]	iphonix	ucrania is like a powder kegg
[22:12]	schestowitz-TR2	iphonix: the policies do not make sense
[22:12]	schestowitz-TR2	it's justa  dying gorilla 
[22:13]	schestowitz-TR2	punching a nuclear donkey kong
[22:13]	schestowitz-TR2	(off-putin)
[22:13]	schestowitz-TR2	us cannot afford to cater for its citizens
[22:13]	schestowitz-TR2	so it drives that other "super" power to rationing
[22:13]	schestowitz-TR2	how nice of them
[22:13]	schestowitz-TR2	cruel and counter-productive
[22:13]	schestowitz-TR2	hyper-ifnflation in germany contributes to ww2
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR2	so we know how those sanctions can work out
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe conflict is their actual goal
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR2	the us has long provoked in that region, further south in georgia also
[22:14]	iphonix	it crossed my mind
[22:14]	schestowitz-TR2	how do you think china feels about us in jp, sk, and vietnam, guam etc?
[22:15]	schestowitz-TR2	heck, maybe russia and china should start sending peacekeeping forces to mexico and cuba
[22:16]	TR News	"These proclamations celebrate the contributions of women and recognize achievements women have made in a variety of fields over the course of American history." https://bsd405.org/2022/03/celebrating-womens-history-month/
[22:16]	TR Bot	 Celebrating Womens History Month Bellevue School District
[22:17]	TR News	"On a technical level, vita2hos is not unlike WINE, which enables POSIX-compliant operating systems such as Linux, Mac OS, and BSD to run Windows programs so long as they use the same processor architecture." https://hackaday.com/2022/03/06/nintendo-switch-runs-vita-software-with-vita2hos/
[22:17]	TR Bot	Switch Runs Vita Software With Vita2hos | Hackaday
[22:18]	TR News	"Another problem seems to be how heavily the Lisp ecosystem is tied to Emacs. If the first thing I'm told when trying to learn a new programming language is "the only way you'll be able to write it easily and good is if you uproot your entire system setup and replace it with Emacs" it feels very offputting." gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2021-09-29.gmi
[22:20]	TR News	"My basic server was very easygoing when it came to the format of the requests. The only thing I was really doing was making sure directory traversal was not possible. My error codes weren't quite right and I wasn't enforcing checks on the hostname, port numbers, and scheme." gemini://jfh.me/posts/2020-11-02-gemini-dianostics.gmi
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[22:23]	TR News	Reading ebooks with Gemini gemini://calcuode.com/gemlog/2021-06-05_ereader.gmi
[22:24]	MinceR	(cat) https://i.imgur.com/hvAxAIk.jpeg
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[22:25]	TR News	"In 2013, I had my first contact with GNU/Linux. I was 10 years old back then. Before that year, the only operating system I knew about was Windows. But then, my dad told me something about how "Linux" was a free operating system developed by people around the world. He never used it, but he probably heard about it at some point." gemini://avalos.me/gemlog/2021-05-28-new-computer-new-age.gmi
[22:27]	TR News	"Heres your weekly Fedora report. Read what happened this week and whats coming up. Your contributions are welcome (see the end of the post)!" https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2022-10/
[22:27]	TR Bot	 Friday's Fedora Facts: 2022-10 Fedora Community Blog
[22:28]	TR News	But we drive more and more animals into complete extinction quicker than we make such 'token' discoveries https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/08/science/vampire-squid-biden.html
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[22:28]	TR Bot	 Fossil of Vampire Squids Oldest Ancestor Is Named for Biden - The New York Times
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[22:31]	TR News	Summary of developers around GNU/Linux in mobile, preceded by exaggeration and FUD, citing Microsoft sources https://linmob.net/weekly-update-10-2022/
[22:31]	TR Bot	- Weekly Update (10/2022): Squeekboard gets a new look, Nheko 0.9.2, Dirty Pipes and Tow-Boot being released for PinePhone and PinePhone Pro
[22:32]	TR News	"COVID-19 cases are on the rise. It's tough to think about much else as I sit shoulder-to-shoulder on a bus, which I will do for at least an hour every day this week, bringing my kids to a school that does not mandate masks or trace contacts or require COVID-19 tests." gemini://sixohthree.com/log/packt-like-sardines.gmi
[22:34]	TR News	In the UK, COVID-19 is not a solved issue but a GROWING issue: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/category/health/ the policy of "let's ignore and pretend it went away" will kill tens of thousands additional people, allow the virus to mutate
[22:34]	TR Bot	Health
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[22:36]	TR News	Published yesterday for England: Weekly all-cause mortality surveillance https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1059960/Weekly_report_mortality__W10.pdf
[22:36]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: service.gov.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1059960/Weekly_report_mortality__W10.pdf
[22:37]	TR News	Clarence Thomas wants Supreme Court to tackle #Sec230 - Protocol https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/clarence-thomas-230-meta
[22:37]	TR Bot	Thomas wants Supreme Court to tackle Sec. 230 - Protocol
[22:38]	TR News	US media: LOOK AT RUSSIA!! Their inflation is terrible. Ours? Haha, not much better. But look at RUSHA!! https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/10/business/economy/cpi-inflation-february-2022.html
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[22:38]	TR Bot	 Inflation Rises to 7.9 Percent for February 2022 - The New York Times
[22:39]	TR News	"With the increase of more developers working in the next Linux kernel 5.17, many AMD-based features will see some significant improvements and mark the beginning of new advances in terms of AMD compatibility and processing in GNU/Linux and other systems with Linux kernel." https://appuals.com/linux-kernel-5-17-brings-important-performance-improvements-for-cpu-and-apu-amd-ryzen/
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[22:39]	TR Bot	Kernel 5.17 Brings Important Performance Improvements for AMD Ryzen CPUs - Appuals.com
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[22:41]	TR News	WTF? Twitter is all about surveillance. Just like Facebook, it now targets fools who wrongly believe it can be used anonymously. Use Nitter instead. https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/09/twitter-launches-its-tor-project-onion-address/
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[22:41]	TR Bot	 Twitter launches its Tor Project onion address - gHacks Tech News
[22:42]	TR News	Twitter does NOT care about your privacy. It's only looking to broaden the reach of the propaganda in it, bypassing blocks.
[22:42]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR2, I was gathering cans out of the pantry that I plan on using up to get rid of.
[22:42]	DaemonFC	Found a can of corn that was swelling, tossed it.
[22:42]	DaemonFC	So I lost one can. Oh well. They were all dented can sales, so you lose one sometimes.
[22:43]	schestowitz-TR2	I see the US lifestyle is very glorious
[22:43]	schestowitz-TR2	you pick up cans
[22:43]	schestowitz-TR2	there's a stereotype associated with collecting scrap metal
[22:45]	DaemonFC	Yeah, if a can is swollen, it's dangerous to even open it.
[22:45]	DaemonFC	It means there's a shitload of bacteria growing in it because the seal was corrupted.
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[22:45]	DaemonFC	Mom said her brother opened a can of spaghetti when they were kids and it blew up and sprayed the ceiling.
[22:45]	TR News	UEFI is not a feature but a defect. Tachyum should know better. But in computing the users have long been abandoned, they're presumed malicious https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/tachyum-advances-system-software-to-pre-production-state/
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[22:45]	TR Bot	 Tachyum Advances System Software To Pre-Production State
[22:46]	DaemonFC	They cleaned it off but had to paint over it, and every once in wa while they had to paint it again.
[22:46]	DaemonFC	Grandma always hoarded food and then let it go bad.
[22:46]	DaemonFC	Tons of it.
[22:48]	TR News	Leave those places alone. This is what the Bezos military-grade propaganda rag is advertising to people, while Bezos the insecure sociopath flies rockets to do a little "showoff" 'spacewalk' https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2022/03/03/antarctica-polar-sailing-wildlife/
[22:48]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: washingtonpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2022/03/03/antarctica-polar-sailing-wildlife/
[22:49]	TR Bot	 New polar vessels make Antarctica more accessible to travelers - The Washington Post
[22:50]	TR News	Why does "POPULAR SCIENCE" publish THIS? Seems like paid-for WEBSPAM https://www.popsci.com/reviews/best-website-builders/
[22:50]	TR Bot	 Best Website Builders of 2022 | Popular Science
[22:51]	schestowitz-TR2	DaemonFC: did she grow up during the great depression or something? as a kid?
[22:51]	DaemonFC	She's 90 years old now
[22:51]	DaemonFC	So 1931.
[22:51]	schestowitz-TR2	so yes
[22:51]	schestowitz-TR2	as a kid
[22:52]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe trauma
[22:52]	DaemonFC	Mom does the same thing.
[22:52]	DaemonFC	Learned behavior? Genetic memory?
[22:52]	schestowitz-TR2	Church
[22:52]	DaemonFC	There's a theory that trauma implants itself in our DNA and then we pass it to offspring.
[22:52]	schestowitz-TR2	Jesus: yes, maam, bring all your cans to heaven
[22:52]	DaemonFC	Then it surfaces at a subconscious level, even generations later.
[22:54]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/814778.png
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[22:54]	TR News	Microsoft spamming/googlebombing this product, seeding confusion https://hothardware.com/news/windows-video-drivers-for-steam-deck-are-out
[22:54]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: hothardware.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hothardware.com/news/windows-video-drivers-for-steam-deck-are-out
[22:54]	TR Bot	Graphics Drivers For Steam Deck Are Out, Gamers Start Your Benchmarks | HotHardware
[22:54]	DaemonFC	It could explain why people who were abused as children who don't abuse their children still have children with higher than average rates of mental illness, PTSD features...
[22:54]	DaemonFC	Or why most people have a severe phobia of rats. "Beware of rats. Plague!"
[22:56]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR2> Jesus: yes, maam, bring all your cans to heaven
[22:56]	DaemonFC	Yeah, they say "Christians don't worry. God sorts everything out.".
[22:57]	TR News	Shoveling up FUD to distract from Microsoft's back doors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162251#comment-33038 see http://techrights.org/2022/03/08/a-media-of-masturbating-monkeys/
[22:57]	DaemonFC	It sounds very first world of them.
[22:57]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[22:57]	TR Bot	 This is the Medias Equivalent of What Linus Torvalds Called Masturbating Monkeys | Techrights
[22:57]	MinceR	"let god sort them out!"
[22:57]	DaemonFC	Easy to say when you aren't in some country where they starve or where the Russians bomb hospitals and rape the women.
[22:58]	MinceR	though i prefer "Kill 'em All. No sorting necessary."
[22:59]	XRevan86	MinceR: I'm right here.
[22:59]	DaemonFC	Apparently, Putin agrees with that and doesn't care how many Russians die doing it.
[22:59]	MinceR	XRevan86: lol
[22:59]	MinceR	XRevan86: are you a member of united russia or the russian military?
● Mar 11
[23:00]	MinceR	not that it makes much difference, most likely humanity will exterminate itself anyway
[23:00]	MinceR	and there's no "God" to sort them out
[23:00]	XRevan86	MinceR: That's sorting-like %).
[23:00]	MinceR	the ones that don't get killed don't need to be sorted :>
[23:03]	DaemonFC	"Russia's consumer rights organization has drawn up a list of companies that have decided to leave and could be nationalized, according to a report in Russian newspaper Izvestiya later cited by state news agency TASS.
[23:03]	DaemonFC	The document that was reportedly sent to the Russian government and the Prosecutor General's Office, includes 59 companies, including Volkswagen, Apple, IKEA, Microsoft, IBM, Shell, McDonald's, Porsche, Toyota, H&M, and can be updated with more brands, Izvestiya said."
[23:03]	DaemonFC	LOL
[23:03]	DaemonFC	Rich assholes getting ready to lose their money.
[23:05]	DaemonFC	They're going to use it to try to avoid a debt default, for now. So it all goes back out to Russia's creditors.
[23:07]	TR News	"I needed to spend some time today updating the DTOS repos, and I also wanted to test installing DTOS on Manjaro." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ZMyWOVGx2c4
[23:07]	TR Bot	 Manjaro Is Nice. Manjaro With DTOS? Even Better! - Invidious
[23:11]	iphonix	wtf is dtos?
[23:12]	TR News	Wine 7.4 changes the default theme and more PE conversion work Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162457
[23:12]	TR Bot	 Wine 7.4 changes the default theme and more PE conversion work | Tux Machines
[23:13]	TR News	BIVROST from Poland has chosen a processor with US back doors https://linuxgizmos.com/coffee-lake-machine-vision-system-features-eight-usb-3-2-gen2-and-five-m-2/
[23:13]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/coffee-lake-machine-vision-system-features-eight-usb-3-2-gen2-and-five-m-2/
[23:13]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/coffee-lake-machine-vision-system-features-eight-usb-3-2-gen2-and-five-m-2/ )
[23:14]	XFaCE	<iphonix> wtf is dtos?
[23:14]	schestowitz-TR2	iphonix: ego project
[23:14]	XFaCE	DistroTube's script set for his configs
[23:14]	XFaCE	schestowitz-TR2: wow that's a pointlessly ungenerous interpretation
[23:14]	DaemonFC	I think some people in Russia worry. Even the billionaires, only about their money.
[23:14]	DaemonFC	They have plenty, they'll always have plenty.
[23:15]	DaemonFC	They're still pissed about losing a fraction.
[23:15]	XFaCE	schestowitz-TR2: is TechRights an ego project by your measure?
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR2	no
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR2	dtos is a misnomber
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR2	it is not an OS
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR2	and it is about emualing some things
[23:15]	XFaCE	it's a tongue in cheek joke
[23:15]	schestowitz-TR2	yeah
[23:16]	XFaCE	But to label it as an ego project casts aspersions of narcissism for no reason
[23:16]	schestowitz	RMS: "When I do this, some people think that it's because I want my ego to be fed, right? Of course, I'm not asking you to call it "Stallmanix"!
[23:16]	XFaCE	schestowitz: his name isn't distrotube
[23:16]	schestowitz	it's derek taylor
[23:16]	schestowitz	DT
[23:17]	schestowitz	so it's an OS called after him
[23:17]	XFaCE	yeah but the DT stands for distrotube
[23:17]	schestowitz	and not even an OS
[23:17]	XFaCE	so what?
[23:17]	schestowitz	making a script that's self-named is...
[23:17]	schestowitz	cyanogen mod
[23:17]	XFaCE	His channel is called DistroTube
[23:17]	schestowitz	yes, I know
[23:17]	XFaCE	DT refers to DistroTube
[23:17]	schestowitz	bit by coincidence his initals
[23:18]	XFaCE	yes
[23:18]	XFaCE	But why assume the worst intepretation?
[23:18]	schestowitz	zorin OS, iirc, also relates to a name
[23:18]	schestowitz	deb-ian
[23:18]	iphonix	if it was portube
[23:18]	schestowitz	linus/x
[23:18]	iphonix	porntube
[23:18]	schestowitz	PTOS
[23:18]	schestowitz	the OS that comes preloaded with porn downloaders
[23:18]	XFaCE	schestowitz: But why assume the worst interpretation?
[23:19]	schestowitz	ego I said
[23:19]	schestowitz	calling it after himself
[23:19]	schestowitz	he could call it something else
[23:19]	XFaCE	He named it after his channel
[23:19]	schestowitz	see the RMS quote
[23:19]	schestowitz	he named the channel after him
[23:19]	iphonix	lacking imagination?
[23:19]	XFaCE	no he named the channel distrotube after the concept of distros
[23:19]	schestowitz	ftr, he likes techrights
[23:20]	iphonix	linux/linux
[23:20]	XFaCE	you are assuming that he named it after himself because you are playing armchair psychologist
[23:20]	iphonix	linus/linux
[23:20]	schestowitz	no
[23:20]	schestowitz	it is a pattern
[23:20]	iphonix	i guess its a thing in linux
[23:20]	schestowitz	I look deeper than you into it
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[23:20]	schestowitz	linus is a narcissist more than RMS ever was
[23:20]	XFaCE	schestowitz: yes, that literally what could be described as someone doing armchair psychology
[23:21]	XFaCE	Linus is also self-deprecating, see the Git joke
[23:21]	schestowitz	git is a short name
[23:21]	schestowitz	which is important in CLI
[23:21]	schestowitz	and was available
[23:21]	schestowitz	svn, cvs, git
[23:21]	schestowitz	saves typing
[23:22]	schestowitz	my assertion stands
[23:22]	schestowitz	my own interpretation
[23:22]	iphonix	also makes it hard to guess what is it
[23:22]	XFaCE	schestowitz: yes, names can have one or more reasons
[23:22]	XFaCE	that doesn't contradict anything I said
[23:22]	schestowitz	hey, i'm not the one pushing techrights merch
[23:22]	XFaCE	I didn't say you are?
[23:22]	schestowitz	techrights isn't even my name
[23:23]	schestowitz	tessier came up with the name
[23:23]	XFaCE	Ok? Do you want a cookie?
[23:23]	schestowitz	rms was then asked about it
[23:23]	schestowitz	so anyway, Dereke does have a big ego
[23:23]	XFaCE	You don't have to defend integrity that was not challenged
[23:23]	schestowitz	many people do
[23:23]	schestowitz	no matter colour, race, gender..
[23:23]	schestowitz	and it's OK to point that out
[23:23]	schestowitz	not a rude or snide remark
[23:23]	XFaCE	If you mean in general people who do youtube channels and other video sharing have strong sense of self, sure
[23:24]	schestowitz	and thick-skinned people wouldn't be too offended
[23:24]	XFaCE	Who exactly are you calling offended?
[23:24]	schestowitz	XFaCE: not always, but many yes
[23:24]	XFaCE	I'm not offended, if that's your implication
[23:24]	schestowitz	the narcissists are attracted to "insta" mopre
[23:24]	schestowitz	taking photos of themselves
[23:24]	schestowitz	then enhancing their selfies
[23:24]	XFaCE	Ok, Derek isn't that
[23:24]	schestowitz	because they need affirmation with "likes"
[23:25]	schestowitz	instead of focusing on art, writing, sport etc.
[23:25]	XFaCE	I would say though you posted photos of yourself post workout
[23:25]	iphonix	derec
[23:25]	XFaCE	for public consumption
[23:25]	schestowitz	so did derek
[23:25]	iphonix	thats why hes a vblogger
[23:25]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, Also doesn't seem to get another fact.
[23:25]	XFaCE	he did a few workout videos
[23:25]	DaemonFC	Pollution is part of what keeps wealthy people out of an area out.
[23:25]	DaemonFC	Pollution and crime.
[23:26]	DaemonFC	Poor people have to live there because it drives the rent down, so there's nowhere else they can live.
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[23:26]	schestowitz	fwiw, derek said not very nice things about a canadian
[23:26]	DaemonFC	When they root out the pollution and crime, people like him move in and raise prices.
[23:26]	XFaCE	schestowitz: Do you see what you have setup here? You called out "the narcissists are attracted to "insta" mopre"
[23:26]	schestowitz	ash from mastodon.technology
[23:26]	XFaCE	"taking photos of themselves"
[23:26]	DaemonFC	Then the poor don't get better air and less crime, they have to move to another shithole to make way for mjg59_ 
[23:26]	schestowitz	describing him only in terms of nationality
[23:26]	XFaCE	and then when I pointed out you have done the same, you do a whataboutism
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[23:27]	XFaCE	Please be consistent, that's what I like about you
[23:27]	schestowitz	how often do I post photos of me?
[23:27]	XFaCE	That's one of the main points I've respected about your character
[23:27]	schestowitz	compared to other things?
[23:27]	XFaCE	It doesn't matter how much
[23:27]	XFaCE	you did
[23:27]	schestowitz	occasionally, but not often
[23:27]	XFaCE	By the standard you set, you should have posted none
[23:28]	XFaCE	Any photo is a sign of ego
[23:28]	schestowitz	ok, so stay anonymous
[23:28]	iphonix	cmon think of the children
[23:28]	XFaCE	That is not what I said
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[23:28]	schestowitz	some people post photos of their young kids
[23:28]	schestowitz	that I oppose, but for other reasons
[23:28]	schestowitz	I saw youtube channels where they rob the kids off their dignity since birth
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[23:29]	XFaCE	Ok, what level of picture posted would be the threshold for the "insta" mopre?
[23:29]	schestowitz	to get "views" and sell "influencer" services
[23:29]	schestowitz	the kids do not consent to this
[23:29]	XFaCE	"fwiw, derek said not very nice things about a canadian" so what?
[23:29]	iphonix	they are thinking about the kids safety that way the are giving the police their biometrics
[23:29]	schestowitz	he made lots of enemies for his politics
[23:29]	XFaCE	That Canadian is an individual who is not me, I am not offended on other's behalf
[23:29]	schestowitz	which seem to be edgy libertarian
[23:30]	XFaCE	schestowitz: so have you, I, and everyone
[23:30]	schestowitz	libertarians have a stigma associated with them
[23:30]	XFaCE	now your describing only in terms of political ideology
[23:30]	schestowitz	so let's backtrack a bit
[23:30]	XFaCE	how is that better than nationality?
[23:30]	schestowitz	someone asked what DTOS was
[23:30]	XFaCE	Yes
[23:30]	schestowitz	DT is Derek
[23:30]	schestowitz	OS is not an OS
[23:30]	iphonix	i did
[23:31]	schestowitz	and the video was about some self-named thing
[23:31]	schestowitz	ego
[23:31]	iphonix	i dont like that dude
[23:31]	schestowitz	ego does not have to be a very bad thing, look up the definition
[23:31]	schestowitz	ego became a bad word
[23:31]	XFaCE	My explaination was more to point and actually described what it said
[23:31]	XFaCE	You only described it as an ego project
[23:31]	iphonix	i think is doing linux a disfavoure
[23:31]	iphonix	is that the indivous guy?
[23:32]	iphonix	indivious?
[23:32]	schestowitz	DT is also o n odysee
[23:32]	schestowitz	he recently shut down distrotoot
[23:32]	schestowitz	and also his gemini capsule last year
[23:32]	schestowitz	gemini://distro.tube
[23:32]	iphonix	yes it him
[23:33]	iphonix	i dont like him is full od shit
[23:33]	schestowitz	from http://dict.org/bin/Dict
[23:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dict.org
[23:33]	schestowitz	  ego
[23:33]	schestowitz	      n 1: an inflated feeling of pride in your superiority to others
[23:33]	schestowitz	           [syn: ego, egotism, self-importance]
[23:34]	schestowitz	      2: your consciousness of your own identity [syn: self, ego]
[23:34]	schestowitz	      3: (psychoanalysis) the conscious mind
[23:34]	schestowitz	see 2 and 3
[23:34]	iphonix	its one guy that makes half baked linux videos
[23:34]	iphonix	he doesnt had anything to linux
[23:34]	iphonix	is like a leach
[23:34]	schestowitz	I would put it differently
[23:34]	schestowitz	he discovered "linux" years ago
[23:34]	schestowitz	and later he did videos on "gnu"
[23:34]	iphonix	lol
[23:35]	schestowitz	but he used them on occasion to interject bad politics
[23:35]	schestowitz	like second amendment and edge shit
[23:35]	schestowitz	all this weapon fetishes
[23:35]	schestowitz	and how we as gnu/linux users should think like trumpsters
[23:35]	DaemonFC	Walmart had black beans on sale for a while on clearance so I still have about 100 cans of those left. They had them for 25 cents each at that point.
[23:35]	XFaCE	schestowitz: Ariadne supports the second amendment and opposes gun control and isn't a libertarian, do you consider her bad politics too?
[23:35]	DaemonFC	So we're going to be eating a lot of those for a while.
[23:35]	iphonix	yes that too
[23:35]	iphonix	is a fake
[23:35]	XFaCE	schestowitz: Is she a Trumpster?
[23:36]	DaemonFC	All of these food disruptions are going to get annoying.
[23:36]	schestowitz	XFaCE: she dislikes him a lot afaik
[23:36]	iphonix	i watched a couple of his videos and was like dude really?!
[23:36]	XFaCE	Yeah but she agrees with some of the same of what you describe bad poltiics
[23:36]	XFaCE	how about stop being a partisan hack please?
[23:36]	schestowitz	me?
[23:36]	schestowitz	no
[23:36]	XFaCE	Yes
[23:36]	schestowitz	I like to all sides
[23:36]	schestowitz	and I can be judgemental of both
[23:36]	schestowitz	the important thing isn't wing per se
[23:37]	XFaCE	but you literally just brought up wing
[23:37]	schestowitz	callling me partisan s funnty
[23:37]	XFaCE	"libertarian", "trumpster"
[23:37]	schestowitz	because I get accused of either
[23:37]	schestowitz	people try to paint me on "some side"
[23:37]	XFaCE	I'm saying you are acting like a partisan with partisan arguments
[23:37]	schestowitz	XFaCE: the correlation does exist
[23:37]	schestowitz	the libertarians are more right-leaning in the US lexicon 
[23:38]	iphonix	libertarians aka librals?
[23:38]	schestowitz	objectively speaking, arms have made the US unsafe for its inhabitants 
[23:38]	iphonix	liberals
[23:38]	schestowitz	no
[23:38]	schestowitz	different things
[23:38]	schestowitz	similar words
[23:38]	XFaCE	I'm going to ask once... please stop doing that. Taking a word in what I've said and making a point that deverts from the point being made.
[23:39]	iphonix	different things but kinda close
[23:39]	schestowitz	if you go by the Libertarian Party in the US
[23:39]	schestowitz	then it's very far from the liberals
[23:39]	schestowitz	if you go policy by policy
[23:40]	XFaCE	Well that request being asked was ignored. Message received.
[23:40]	schestowitz	XFaCE: we can all calm down, I think it would be better if we chatted over voice. text conveys lack of understanding.
[23:40]	iphonix	Libertarian is a libral in sheep clothings
[23:40]	schestowitz	even the term liberal changed its meaning
[23:41]	schestowitz	it means Democrat Centrics now
[23:41]	schestowitz	prpgressive meant real left
[23:41]	schestowitz	but that too has been hijacked somewhat
[23:41]	schestowitz	by a bunch of loons, imho
[23:41]	schestowitz	the media muddles up the terms
[23:41]	schestowitz	it's a tactic
[23:41]	schestowitz	it harms communication
[23:41]	XFaCE	schestowitz: Yes, I can calm down and will, but I don't think that changes that your argumentation here was very disappointing. And I'm not saying I'm a paragon of debate here.
[23:42]	schestowitz	and divides people by making caricatures of them
[23:42]	schestowitz	so eventually people need to discard all those labels
[23:42]	schestowitz	XFaCE:see the definition of ego
[23:42]	XFaCE	<~schestowitz> like second amendment and edge shit
[23:42]	XFaCE	<~schestowitz> all this weapon fetishes
[23:42]	XFaCE	<~schestowitz> and how we as gnu/linux users should think like trumpsters
[23:42]	XFaCE	---
[23:42]	XFaCE	<~schestowitz> and divides people by making caricatures of them
[23:42]	schestowitz	when I say ego I mean the 2
[23:42]	XFaCE	<~schestowitz> so eventually people need to discard all those labels
[23:42]	schestowitz	DTOS=self named
[23:42]	XFaCE	schestowitz: I'm talking about the man in the mirror
[23:43]	schestowitz	his weapons fetish is not a secret
[23:43]	schestowitz	look at the channel
[23:43]	schestowitz	it's a matter of public record
[23:43]	XFaCE	That is a caricature, and you used labels to describe that
[23:43]	schestowitz	he used software freedom to shoehorn "gun rights"
[23:43]	schestowitz	which I did not take too kindly tbh
[23:43]	XFaCE	You call it a fetish, that is your opinion.
[23:44]	XFaCE	Again, Ariadne holds similar views and is on a different end of the political spectrum.
[23:44]	schestowitz	maybe you want firearms too
[23:44]	XFaCE	What you are saying is the same exact crap you criticize
[23:44]	XFaCE	No I'm asking for consistency
[23:44]	schestowitz	you live in a country where shootings aren't as common as your sold neighbour
[23:44]	schestowitz	*sole
[23:44]	schestowitz	XFaCE: maybe for reactionary reasons
[23:45]	Ariadne	no
[23:45]	schestowitz	trans people sometimes need self-defence because they are surrounded by armed people who get incited by media rhetoric 
[23:45]	XFaCE	I apologize Ariadne for pulling you in on this
[23:45]	Ariadne	not for reactionary reasons, i own several firearms and practice with them on a regular basis
[23:45]	Ariadne	it is a hobby
[23:45]	schestowitz	ah, ok
[23:45]	schestowitz	you once said you needed them for defence
[23:46]	schestowitz	in here it's illegal to possess them
[23:46]	Ariadne	i mean, when i was living in wyoming, it was certainly necessary for defense
[23:46]	schestowitz	the few who do have firearms seldom use them
[23:46]	Ariadne	bears, snakes, meth-addicted trumpists
[23:47]	Ariadne	schestowitz: yes, instead, brits just stab each other to death
[23:47]	iphonix	but trump is like war on drugs
[23:47]	XFaCE	https://twitter.com/ariadneconill/status/1421341372284604416
[23:47]	TR Bot	@andrew_rudick in other words, gun control is indeed about control: it is an anti-black, anti-indigenous, pro-settl https://t.co/x7vIwshazs
[23:47]	XFaCE	"in other words, gun control is indeed about control: it is an anti-black, anti-indigenous, pro-settler and pro-white form of maintaining the status quo.
[23:47]	XFaCE	it will not solve the problems that liberals claim it will solve.  it does however serve to disarm the marginalized."
[23:47]	TR News	Tesco Meal Deal Price Increase: Inflation, Up Close https://tedium.co/2022/03/11/tesco-meal-deal-price-increase-analysis/
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[23:47]	TR Bot	 Tesco Meal Deal Price Increase: Inflation, Up Close
[23:47]	schestowitz	Ariadne: not many casualties
[23:48]	XFaCE	"this labor day, remember that organized labor gained traction because they were literally armed and literally fought armed battles with the state.
[23:48]	XFaCE	then be sure to look at all discussion of gun control in that framing, moving forward."
[23:49]	schestowitz	states have much better munitions these days, tanks too
[23:49]	XFaCE	So I guess consistency won't be found today
[23:49]	schestowitz	if they want to crush their own people, it's easy
[23:49]	MinceR	i'd keep and train with firearms too, if it was legal enough and i was rich enough
[23:49]	XFaCE	Time for supper I guess.
[23:49]	schestowitz	They have air support, too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
[23:49]	TR Bot	 1985 MOVE bombing - Wikipedia
[23:50]	Ariadne	just because the cops are fascists and outgun the populace in terms of having more advanced munitions, doesn't mean the public should disarm itself
[23:50]	Ariadne	quite the opposite, really
[23:50]		*schestowitz checks if FSF ever wrote on 2nd am
[23:50]	Ariadne	why would the FSF write about gun rights
[23:51]	XFaCE	Ok there is consistency. Ariadne, I humbly apologize again.
[23:51]	Ariadne	guns are not particularly related to software freedom
[23:51]	iphonix	guns are good to kill one self
[23:51]	schestowitz	meh
[23:51]	schestowitz	overrated
[23:51]	schestowitz	you can jump off things
[23:51]	schestowitz	or hang
[23:51]	Ariadne	guns create a giant mess for somebody to clean up
[23:51]	iphonix	thats painfull
[23:51]	Ariadne	i wouldn't recommend it as a suicide method
[23:51]	MinceR	there are some guns that have computerized control, but they're rare
[23:52]	iphonix	hitler did it
[23:52]	schestowitz	https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2021/03/22/richard_stallman_back_on_fsf_board/
[23:52]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2021/03/22/richard_stallman_back_on_fsf_board/
[23:52]	TR Bot	 Richard Stallman says he has returned to the Free Software Foundation board of directors and won't be resigning again The Register Forums
[23:52]	schestowitz	"
[23:52]	schestowitz	> I've not seen or heard any "crazed ramblings of a conspiracy theorist" from Stallman.
[23:52]	MinceR	lol
[23:52]	schestowitz	his second amendment stuff comes pretty close to this mark
[23:52]	schestowitz	"
[23:52]	Ariadne	RMS also supports people having guns
[23:53]	Ariadne	for what i believe are similar reasons to the ones i have consistently outlined
[23:53]	schestowitz	"I thought ESR was the 2nd amendment free software guy?"
[23:53]	schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/GoldandBlack/comments/lj5c2q/if_you_support_free_software_you_should_support/
[23:53]	TR Bot	 If You Support Free Software, You Should Support Gun Rights : GoldandBlack
[23:53]	iphonix	I also supports people having guns just as long as they don't use them just like a deterrent
[23:53]	Ariadne	ESR is the guy who launders his white supremacist views through the lens of gun rights
[23:54]	iphonix	the same as nukes
[23:54]	iphonix	nukes are the best thing to prevent wars
[23:54]	Ariadne	dunno about that
[23:54]	Ariadne	see also: ukraine
[23:54]	Ariadne	see also: US bombings in somalia
[23:54]	iphonix	i was being sarcastic
[23:55]	MinceR	nukes aren't going away
[23:55]	schestowitz	23 years ago by Microsoft Jack: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/1999/jan/21/onlinesupplement1
[23:55]	TR Bot	 Armed, but not dangerous | Technology | The Guardian
[23:55]	MinceR	and their presence pretty much forces everyone to acquire them if they want to have rights
[23:55]	iphonix	its just a mater of time until nuclear war
[23:55]	MinceR	indeed
[23:56]	schestowitz	in our lifetime, for sure
[23:56]	schestowitz	we are getting near now
[23:56]	schestowitz	with impoverished economies, now rationining
[23:56]	MinceR	though it's possible for humans to exterminate themselves without a nuclear war, it's unlikely
[23:56]	schestowitz	*rationing
[23:56]	iphonix	its likelly just will take longer
[23:56]	schestowitz	we came VERY close MANY times
[23:57]	schestowitz	it's a miracle it did not happen since 1945
[23:57]	iphonix	but we are going in the right direction and accelarating
[23:57]	activelow	Ukraine "legalized bitcoin" and begging for guns, few days later boots on the ground
[23:57]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_close_calls
[23:57]	TR Bot	 List of nuclear close calls - Wikipedia
[23:57]	activelow	https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-legalizes-bitcoin-btc-cryptocurrencies-033215045.html
[23:57]	TR Bot	 Ukraine Legalizes Bitcoin (BTC) and Cryptocurrencies
[23:58]	iphonix	why do you think all the most intelligent people are making companies for space exploration
[23:58]	MinceR	not sure about "most intelligent"
[23:58]	activelow	this was the missing peace which caused me headache... bitcoin in ukraine
[23:58]	iphonix	at least smarter
[23:59]	Ariadne	associating intellect and wealth seems like a dangerously incorrect correlation to make
[23:59]	MinceR	indeed
[23:59]	activelow	which is absolutely plausible, because, Ukraine did receive energy at friendship pricing... similar to Iran with low energy prices where Bitcoin destabilized the energy grid
[23:59]	MinceR	what would their goal be anyway? getting off this planet with no hope of getting to a place where they could live for long, or developing their own ICBM technology?