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| DaemonFC[m] | Those Chinese wet markets are gross. People who eat dogs and cats are monsters. | Apr 11 08:53 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | But while everyone was talking about that, they missed that America about got hit with a bird flu flare up (while COVID-19 is spreading everywhere too) from South Carolina and that the industry scrammed to slaughter and dispose of 32,000 turkeys to try to cover it up. | Apr 11 08:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://abcnews4.com/news/local/more-than-32000-turkeys-euthanized-after-deadly-bird-flu-found-in-sc-flock | Apr 11 08:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abcnews4.com | More than 32,000 turkeys euthanized after deadly bird flu found in SC flock | WCIV | Apr 11 08:53 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: my biggest problem is the wet markets are a dangerous design. | Apr 11 08:56 |
| oiaohm | It is possible to spend a bit more area and set of decanted species killing areas and avoid the cross contamination problem that is known to make dangerous illnesses over and over again.. | Apr 11 08:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This might not be PC, but I agree with Fox News as to the wet markets. | Apr 11 08:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A civilized country wouldn't allow it. | Apr 11 08:59 |
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| oiaohm | UK use to have wet markets back in history but they learned their leason and out lawed it. | Apr 11 09:01 |
| oiaohm | China just very late on the learning curve on this. | Apr 11 09:01 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The whole world is fucking pissed at China right now. | Apr 11 09:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's the only part about this where Trump isn't wrong. | Apr 11 09:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But he also botched the US response and 10x as many people will die now. | Apr 11 09:16 |
| oiaohm | Australia botched it as well just no where near as bad. | Apr 11 09:24 |
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| brendyyn | i hope in the future kids wont be citing all this anti china propaganda and misinformation in western media as one of the main causes of of world war 3 in their essays. | Apr 11 09:52 |
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| Narrator | re | Apr 11 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Re to you too, Mr. Narrator | Apr 11 10:28 |
| schestowitz | [08:53] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- abcnews4.com | More than 32,000 turkeys euthanized after deadly bird flu found in SC flock | WCIV | Apr 11 10:29 |
| schestowitz | nice way to say slaughtered | Apr 11 10:29 |
| schestowitz | at least they did not say "cull" | Apr 11 10:29 |
| schestowitz | "we did them a favour", the "roosters" and "hens" were really "Asking for it!!" | Apr 11 10:29 |
| Narrator | hi schestowitz, nice to see you too | Apr 11 10:30 |
| schestowitz | 0/ | Apr 11 10:30 |
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| Narrator | well, regarding the wet market | Apr 11 10:32 |
| Narrator | rememmber who owns media, the guilty are always the others | Apr 11 10:34 |
| Narrator | not huge distributors of GMO food;-) | Apr 11 10:34 |
| schestowitz | to me it seems more probable that it came from the facility by accident | Apr 11 10:34 |
| schestowitz | exotic market stories don't jibe too well | Apr 11 10:34 |
| schestowitz | and we have wet makets here too | Apr 11 10:35 |
| schestowitz | doesn't have to be rate and uncooked animal | Apr 11 10:35 |
| schestowitz | maybe an employee at the research facility got infested with a lethal test sample and passed it through family members | Apr 11 10:35 |
| schestowitz | that would not even be so unreasonable, those are known risks when dealing with coronaviruses for research | Apr 11 10:35 |
| schestowitz | so you might say their safety standards could be sloppy | Apr 11 10:36 |
| Narrator | we all buy a live fish | Apr 11 10:36 |
| schestowitz | though that could happen in Canada too, the question is how they deal with it, e.g. how quick to detect, secrecy aspect, travel bans, massive testing within some radius | Apr 11 10:36 |
| Narrator | yes , there shoudl be some standards but not to add bunch of chemicals to food | Apr 11 10:37 |
| schestowitz | Narrator: yeah, doesn't matter if bat or porcupine or armadillo or whatever | Apr 11 10:37 |
| schestowitz | or cats and dogs | Apr 11 10:37 |
| schestowitz | but to dehumanise the Chinese it's convenient to name some animal species we're not allowed to eat here | Apr 11 10:37 |
| Narrator | well | Apr 11 10:38 |
| Narrator | we alvays strat to dehumanise someone ... before the war ;-) | Apr 11 10:39 |
| Narrator | .. start ... | Apr 11 10:39 |
| Narrator | https://www.historyhit.com/examples-of-anti-japanese-propaganda-during-world-war-two/ | Apr 11 10:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.historyhit.com | 5 Examples of Anti-Japanese Propaganda During World War Two | History Hit | Apr 11 10:41 | |
| Narrator | after teh dehumanisation we can create a concentration camp and ... drop a bomb ... | Apr 11 10:42 |
| Narrator | ... nuclear bomb ... | Apr 11 10:42 |
| Narrator | there is alvasy problem to teach soldiers to kill | Apr 11 10:43 |
| Narrator | i read an article about a battle where nobody was shut because the soldiers shot in air | Apr 11 10:44 |
| Narrator | they don't want to kill | Apr 11 10:44 |
| schestowitz | common in ww2 apparently | Apr 11 10:44 |
| schestowitz | also xmas breaks in ww1 trenches | Apr 11 10:44 |
| Narrator | well, this is not perion related | Apr 11 10:45 |
| Narrator | this is our behavior | Apr 11 10:45 |
| Narrator | w8 i will check by shelf of books;-) | Apr 11 10:46 |
| schestowitz | cheers | Apr 11 10:54 |
| schestowitz | I heard some stories, but they're a distant memory | Apr 11 10:55 |
| schestowitz | I can probably find a related scene from the movie "Fury" | Apr 11 10:55 |
| Narrator | you can check i.e. Eliot Aronson | Apr 11 10:55 |
| schestowitz | maybe if they play more computer 'games' they'd be more likely to shoot without hesitation | Apr 11 10:56 |
| Narrator | Social psychology there is an chaper about agression | Apr 11 10:56 |
| Narrator | well, not exactly | Apr 11 10:57 |
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| Narrator | frm psychoilogy point of view | Apr 11 10:57 |
| Narrator | teh tv or games not generate aggresion | Apr 11 10:58 |
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| Narrator | they only show how to ... do harm to another person | Apr 11 10:59 |
| Narrator | if you want i wil find the experiment about it | Apr 11 11:02 |
| Narrator | Phil Zimbardo writes about it | Apr 11 11:02 |
| Narrator | then let's back to the politics;-) | Apr 11 11:02 |
| Narrator | sorry:) | Apr 11 11:03 |
| Narrator | shcwestowitz: do you agree with me that clouds are crap ?;-) | Apr 11 11:04 |
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| oiaohm | Narrator: there have also been cases where the rule of what goes up must come down comes into play when people shot up as well. | Apr 11 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Narrator: they don't exist | Apr 11 12:46 |
| schestowitz | like real clouds, it's just steam, vapour | Apr 11 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | so the buzzwofd seems perfect | Apr 11 12:46 |
| schestowitz | it refers to an actual physical thing only in the abstract | Apr 11 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | so your ownership of your server is only an illusion, like a cloud | Apr 11 12:47 |
| oiaohm | Yep cloud you cannot stand on those. | Apr 11 13:05 |
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| *kingoffrance imagines wile e. coyote running off cliff, dust cloud vanishing beneath him, holds up sign | Apr 11 13:31 | |
| kingoffrance | someone else will have to fill in what the sign says | Apr 11 13:32 |
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| psydread | make it possible to buy hardware at competitive prices, which we are heading towards again, and suddenly the cloud doesn't look all that attractive and we can see it for what it really is | Apr 11 14:15 |
| MinceR | 11 105203 < brendyyn> i hope in the future kids wont be citing all this anti china propaganda and misinformation in western media as one of the main causes of of world war 3 in their essays. | Apr 11 14:27 |
| MinceR | they won't be because nobody will survive ww3 :> | Apr 11 14:27 |
| brendyyn | dont underestimate a rednecks will to live | Apr 11 14:28 |
| brendyyn | i leart about the United States via youtube. everones uncle has tanks and an abandoned nuclear bunker in their back yard | Apr 11 14:29 |
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| MinceR | none of those guarantees surviva | Apr 11 14:31 |
| MinceR | l | Apr 11 14:31 |
| MinceR | especially if the land is unfit to produce food on anymore | Apr 11 14:31 |
| brendyyn | obviously there will be a living population | Apr 11 14:31 |
| MinceR | yeah, maybe some bacteria and archaea | Apr 11 14:35 |
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| kingoffrance | well that is wildly inaccurate | Apr 11 14:56 |
| kingoffrance | surplus/excess military bunkers | Apr 11 14:56 |
| kingoffrance | are sold | Apr 11 14:56 |
| kingoffrance | and then rented out | Apr 11 14:56 |
| kingoffrance | "in their backyards" -- wheres the rent in that? | Apr 11 14:57 |
| kingoffrance | you have to relocate to a former base and then you can rent them out | Apr 11 14:57 |
| kingoffrance | "abandoned" -- hah! that is prime survival real estate to sell | Apr 11 14:57 |
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| kingoffrance | as for tanks...i dunno, try ebay | Apr 11 14:59 |
| MinceR | bunkers don't supply water or food forever | Apr 11 14:59 |
| MinceR | or even air | Apr 11 14:59 |
| kingoffrance | they're like timeshares i think -- you reserve them for x months | Apr 11 15:08 |
| kingoffrance | like you pay 3 months and then when you want to use it, they will find a suitable room at your price point, kind of like a hotel i guess | Apr 11 15:09 |
| kingoffrance | how do you now they dont oversell? i dunno | Apr 11 15:09 |
| kingoffrance | s/now/know/ | Apr 11 15:10 |
| MinceR | and how do you survive the other timeslots? | Apr 11 15:12 |
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| schestowitz | lol, I agree with MinceR tbh | Apr 11 15:53 |
| schestowitz | what we know | Apr 11 15:53 |
| schestowitz | 1) humans will become extinct | Apr 11 15:53 |
| schestowitz | 2) it'll likely take less than a million more years | Apr 11 15:53 |
| schestowitz | 3) the planet has orders of magnitude longer under the Sun 'runs' out and expands | Apr 11 15:53 |
| schestowitz | 4) we hardly evolve | Apr 11 15:53 |
| schestowitz | 5) the democratic structure or eroding | Apr 11 15:54 |
| schestowitz | 6) overpopulation is still overlooked, unaddressed | Apr 11 15:54 |
| schestowitz | if (5) and (6) are holding true for longer, some sort of mass extinction event is inevitable starvation, plague, war, maybe all combined | Apr 11 15:54 |
| schestowitz | 7) nationals already collaborate LESS, they don't trust contact with people outside the border, not even things these people merely touched | Apr 11 15:55 |
| schestowitz | so my guess is, China will grow in influence, depending on when we can 'restart' out so-called 'economy' | Apr 11 15:55 |
| schestowitz | they also mass-produce many of the supplies we buy in a panic | Apr 11 15:56 |
| schestowitz | US will stay with Trump for who knows how long | Apr 11 15:56 |
| kingoffrance | i hope noone thinks i was advocating bunkers :/ pretty sure it was on slashdot or somewhere | Apr 11 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Biden isn't good enough to get people to vote, if there's a vote at all (GOP will make excuses) | Apr 11 15:56 |
| schestowitz | slashdot is crap | Apr 11 15:56 |
| kingoffrance | i agree | Apr 11 15:57 |
| schestowitz | too much crap there these days, a few old timers in the comments there | Apr 11 15:57 |
| schestowitz | in Twitter they're barely even visible | Apr 11 15:57 |
| schestowitz | and they promote Microsoft snd Pearly Gates every now and then | Apr 11 15:57 |
| schestowitz | This is not Rob Malda's ./ | Apr 11 15:57 |
| kingoffrance | hes long gone isnt he? | Apr 11 15:57 |
| schestowitz | It's just the same namespace/domain with a simila logo and a guy called Logan running it | Apr 11 15:57 |
| schestowitz | (I never heard of him until he bought SourceForge and ./ - he spoke to me and didn't explain where he raised the money for this purchase) | Apr 11 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Rob Malda plays games now | Apr 11 15:58 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Apr 11 15:58 |
| schestowitz | he worked on tech stnt for Bezos Post for a while | Apr 11 15:58 |
| schestowitz | last I spoke to him he was still with his wife Kathleen and playing computer games | Apr 11 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Acknowledging his days of fame are long gone, never to be recovered | Apr 11 15:59 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/30/a39dabbdcb1896ee.mp4 | Apr 11 15:59 |
| schestowitz | "Tim" from ./ (Tim Lorde, or Lord) is still around, he did an interview with Roblimo (previous editor), whi died a couple of years ago, a year after he did an interview with me | Apr 11 16:00 |
| schestowitz | so /, is post-historic now, it is just the name | Apr 11 16:00 |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/border | Apr 11 16:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Border | Apr 11 16:15 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Right | Apr 11 17:46 | |
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| MinceR | http://surrounder.nl/annoyingsex.jpg http://surrounder.nl/petespizzeria.jpg | Apr 11 19:31 |
| Narrator | re | Apr 11 20:36 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/good | Apr 11 20:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Good | Apr 11 20:40 | |
| Narrator | not true | Apr 11 20:42 |
| MinceR | what isn't true? | Apr 11 20:43 |
| Narrator | aggression doesn't pay off for a long time | Apr 11 20:44 |
| MinceR | and indeed, humans are going to kill themselves off | Apr 11 20:44 |
| Narrator | well, realy ? | Apr 11 20:45 |
| Narrator | where are you living today ? in the usa?;-) | Apr 11 20:45 |
| MinceR | in hungary | Apr 11 20:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Why? Isn't now the perfect time to travel? | Apr 11 20:46 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 11 20:46 |
| MinceR | it is, for the infected | Apr 11 20:47 |
| MinceR | it apparently causes a powerful urge to travel | Apr 11 20:47 |
| MinceR | and to hoard TP | Apr 11 20:47 |
| *Narrator don;t se the person who want to kill anybody for a whole life:) | Apr 11 20:47 | |
| Narrator | to kick, to hurt yes, but not to kill | Apr 11 20:48 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: Now is the perfect time for you to expand your circle | Apr 11 20:49 |
| Narrator | to what?:) | Apr 11 20:49 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: To include gangsters %) | Apr 11 20:49 |
| Narrator | well | Apr 11 20:50 |
| Narrator | do you think that gangesters kill anybody ? | Apr 11 20:50 |
| Narrator | they sell drugs, they steal some money | Apr 11 20:50 |
| Narrator | but kill? | Apr 11 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: I guess I used the wrong word. | Apr 11 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: How about sadistic policemen who torture for fun? | Apr 11 20:51 |
| Narrator | it's uneconomical for them | Apr 11 20:52 |
| Narrator | well, we have no such | Apr 11 20:52 |
| Narrator | i talk about poland | Apr 11 20:52 |
| Narrator | somtimes somthing wrong happen | Apr 11 20:53 |
| XRevan86 | jasno | Apr 11 20:53 |
| Narrator | but this is rare | Apr 11 20:53 |
| scientes | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/04/09/the-only-option-is-to-walk-six-days-to-kathmandu | Apr 11 20:57 |
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| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/pewz13.jpg | Apr 11 21:04 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The biggest danger to America is Trump's handling of this pandemic. | Apr 11 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Essentially, it's like a foreign military parking themselves off our coasts and targeting us with 30,000 cruise missiles where the president is talking about life "going back to normal very soon....still haven't decided.". | Apr 11 21:52 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The White House pulled 68,000 dead out of their asses, by August. | Apr 11 22:48 |
| MinceR | they have spacious asses | Apr 11 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We have enough new cases coming in to get us to over 68,000 by April 31st. | Apr 11 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But how bad does this have to be? 60,000 is the number of dead+missing in the Vietnam War, and if 1,600 have been missing since 1974, it's probably safe to conclude that they're dead. | Apr 11 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 60,000 is already pretty fucking bad, and especially of this virus thing is nowhere near being over with by then. | Apr 11 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It took over a decade of Vietnam to lose 60,000 Americans in combat operations. | Apr 11 22:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It will have taken COVID-19 a little over a month. | Apr 11 22:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It didn't go over very well for the politicians that continued the Vietnam War either. | Apr 11 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nixon's resignation to get out ahead of the impeachment had little to do with the Watergate scandal. | Apr 11 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It had at least as much to do with the state of the economy and the fact that 60,000 Americans died in Vietnam for essentially nothing. | Apr 11 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Much of it after his escalations, surges, and "end of combat, but not really" of the 1970s. | Apr 11 22:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The American economy now is much, much worse than in the Great Depression and each week of the COVID lockdown, it's going to be more difficult, if not outright impossible, to get things going again. | Apr 11 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many companies are choking to death on bad debt already. | Apr 11 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just some small mentions in the press are the entire chain of AMC movie theeaters and 200 Logan's Roadhouse restaurants. | Apr 11 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that's not even the beginning of the mess that's already been unleashed. It's just the companies that were so on the brink of failure that it only took weeks to go under. | Apr 11 22:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | AMC has over 14,000 movie theaters in America, including the only one in some entire regions. | Apr 11 22:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they collapse, and we assume that each one of them had just 100 employees total, that's 140,000 jobs that are not coming back at the flip of a switch. | Apr 11 22:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Worse yet, what happens when Americans are avoiding movie theaters and sports until a COVID vaccine is out, and it will take 12-18 more months? | Apr 11 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This could be the recession that ended the movie theaters as a thing, period. | Apr 11 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a pretty big industry that employed well in excess of a million marginally employable people that won't come back. | Apr 11 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What do we do for them? | Apr 11 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What do we do when restaurants flop and nobody wants to do that anymore even if the economy is theoretically open again? | Apr 11 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're talking about a 30% hit to the economy that Trump absolutely cannot bring back, and certainly not by November. | Apr 11 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What about hair cuts? Maybe men decide it's too risky to go in for a monthly trim and just start buzzing it off. | Apr 11 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There goes 100,000 more jobs. | Apr 11 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, even if things opened up technically right this minute, it's too late for the economy. | Apr 11 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if you just assume people are skittish and skip out on things that are optional. | Apr 11 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 73% polled say they would not attend another sporting event, period, until there is a vaccine. | Apr 11 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | These are sports fans, most of them men, most of them are voting for Trump! | Apr 11 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This isn't some highly partisan Democrat group going wait, nope nope nope. | Apr 11 23:02 |
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| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/hsFQCneJJmoGSKuWNrulePkK > | Apr 11 23:19 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it spares us two more opportunities to get COVID each month it's worth it for that alone. | Apr 11 23:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People in the Depression and World War II had to suffer a lot more than this. Gas coupons, ration tickets. I think we'll be fine looking like Walter White and Filipino Walter White for a little while. | Apr 11 23:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I feel just horrible for all of the people this thing is causing unemployment for, but it wouldn't be _better_ if everything was open tomorrow. It would just mean more of both problems. We just all have to do our parts to get in the way of this thing. | Apr 11 23:25 |
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| cubexyz | don't forget WWI and spanish flu | Apr 11 23:42 |
| cubexyz | it was a long bad period of time | Apr 11 23:42 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://hugelolcdn.com/i/662402.jpg | Apr 11 23:53 |
| cubexyz | :) | Apr 11 23:56 |
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