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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: many are | Jul 11 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | rianne's dad is | Jul 11 00:00 |
| MinceR | the LF deserves to suffer | Jul 11 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He says I make "sour spaghetti". | Jul 11 00:01 |
| schestowitz | about time, it got a lot worse after 2016 | Jul 11 00:01 |
| MinceR | they sold Linux to microsloth | Jul 11 00:01 |
| MinceR | and put crybullies in control | Jul 11 00:01 |
| schestowitz | they literally dumped community without an explanation | Jul 11 00:01 |
| schestowitz | blaming "Trolls" and misogyny | Jul 11 00:01 |
| schestowitz | the typical trick | Jul 11 00:01 |
| schestowitz | as if corporate influence is the only "professional" thing | Jul 11 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Torvalds had already lost his voice, so he went along with it | Jul 11 00:02 |
| schestowitz | now he's just some guy with an email client in the CLI | Jul 11 00:02 |
| schestowitz | he does no coding | Jul 11 00:02 |
| schestowitz | they let him FEEL like he's still in control | Jul 11 00:02 |
| schestowitz | but his bosses are from Microsoft... about 4 or 5 of them now | Jul 11 00:02 |
| schestowitz | one of whom a github COO | Jul 11 00:02 |
| schestowitz | taking some time of the month to commandeer Linux and Linus | Jul 11 00:03 |
| schestowitz | to keep them in check, so to speak | Jul 11 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 0xBIGBOOBIES!!!! | Jul 11 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, and Linux is unprofessional and full of creeps! | Jul 11 00:03 |
| schestowitz | they apologised, so it's OK | Jul 11 00:03 |
| schestowitz | for the shareholders | Jul 11 00:03 |
| schestowitz | the person who did this was not fired, afaik | Jul 11 00:03 |
| schestowitz | it's the corporate type of 'apology' | Jul 11 00:03 |
| schestowitz | hand in the honey jar (or cookie) | Jul 11 00:04 |
| MinceR | does the victim of blackmail "feel" like they're in control? :> | Jul 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | look at linus | Jul 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | I mean | Jul 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | look at him | Jul 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | his hands | Jul 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | his legs | Jul 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | thinner than his arms almost | Jul 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | the face is also not looking well | Jul 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | so you know he eats junk | Jul 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | and probably stopped exercising | Jul 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | not the sign of a happy person on top of things, with a strong immune system | Jul 11 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "not the sign of a happy person o"> Neither am I. | Jul 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | he looks the same age as Guido van Russom now | Jul 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | and Guido is 64 or thereabouts | Jul 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | 65.5k | Jul 11 00:06 |
| schestowitz | it'll make it to 70k today... perhaps | Jul 11 00:06 |
| schestowitz | With 2 hours left, at 225,192 #covid19 cases for the day, we already have an all-time high. | Jul 11 00:07 |
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| CrystalMath | happy 30th birthday to the EFF | Jul 11 00:11 |
| schestowitz | it's dead already | Jul 11 00:13 |
| schestowitz | at 28 | Jul 11 00:13 |
| schestowitz | the body has jolts.. like a dead cow bouncing | Jul 11 00:14 |
| CrystalMath | why do you think that? | Jul 11 00:18 |
| psydread | I wonder if there is anything that can be learned from this whole development other than everyone being for sale at the right price | Jul 11 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Enough compromises to the enemy and you become the enemy and all that. | Jul 11 00:21 |
| psydread | for me it's become so bad that whenever I go to some tech event and see Microsoft people I get a feeling they are JWs out there to convince me to convert to their faith | Jul 11 00:23 |
| CrystalMath | where did the EFF fail? | Jul 11 00:24 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/category/eff/ | Jul 11 00:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EFF | Techrights | Jul 11 00:32 | |
| MinceR | well, microshit is a cult, so the similarity is not without reason :> | Jul 11 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | Re: Gates as an example of PSYOPS | Jul 11 01:19 |
| schestowitz | > Hello, I'm a reader of Techrights. I was taking a look at some old, | Jul 11 01:19 |
| schestowitz | > declassified US Army field manuals, and I came upon this example in the | Jul 11 01:19 |
| schestowitz | > PSYOPS Manual (FM 3-05.301). It seems they reckon Bill Gates and | Jul 11 01:20 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft as expert propagandists. I think it might be interesting to | Jul 11 01:20 |
| schestowitz | > you and some of your readers. | Jul 11 01:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 11 01:20 |
| schestowitz | > Keep up the good work! | Jul 11 01:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 11 01:20 |
| schestowitz | > Best, | Jul 11 01:20 |
| schestowitz | This is indeed interesting. I will bring this up. | Jul 11 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/business/goya-boycott.html | Jul 11 03:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Goya Foods Boycott Takes Off After Bob Unanue Praises Trump - The New York Times | Jul 11 03:07 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | No more Goya. | Jul 11 03:07 |
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| AVRS | schestowitz: hi. I guess I conflated my own developing news addiction with RMS' or your very active feed and something you or somebody else wrote. Not sure where I got the word "intoxicating"; maybe https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/social-media-is-intoxicating-but-also-a-threat-we-need-regulations-b7l0wspc2 It started being demonstrably harmful, so I am trying to unsubscribe from most of the | Jul 11 04:16 |
| AVRS | feeds with bad news. That includes (the second time) most of TechRights. You need some "not everything is bad" tag for the rare posts about exceptions. | Jul 11 04:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thetimes.co.uk | Social media is intoxicating but also a threat: we need regulations | Business | The Times | Jul 11 04:16 | |
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| kingoffrance | well yeah some of that psyop stuff is "we are occupying country x, success is determined whether they like us or not" | Jul 11 05:39 |
| kingoffrance | why are you here? not an issue. wahts the plan? not a problem. whos taking over after you leave? not a concern. is the marketing working? this is the thread eeverything hangs on | Jul 11 05:40 |
| kingoffrance | is there a war going on? dont worry about it. btw, how do you "feel" about us? | Jul 11 05:41 |
| kingoffrance | do you 'feel' safe? thats good | Jul 11 05:42 |
| kingoffrance | do you "feel" secure? tehn you are secure | Jul 11 05:42 |
| kingoffrance | do you "feel" like this is good technology? good | Jul 11 05:42 |
| kingoffrance | does this "feel" like open source? are you buying the branding/image? | Jul 11 05:44 |
| kingoffrance | catch 22: just write good things about us | Jul 11 05:45 |
| kingoffrance | the parallels never end | Jul 11 05:46 |
| kingoffrance | whether domestic or abroad, i think that is the civilian-targetting psyops: the point is try to make people pretend they like us, or at least sell that image that "the people" are on your side | Jul 11 05:51 |
| kingoffrance | ms loves linux, they are on the side of "the people" now | Jul 11 05:52 |
| schestowitz | I have an image, screenshot for that | Jul 11 05:55 |
| schestowitz | I will post about it later | Jul 11 05:55 |
| kingoffrance | but ppl cant eat cotton milo! theyll get sick. milo: they have to! its for the good of the syndicate! | Jul 11 06:00 |
| kingoffrance | have you even tried this stuff? milo: i did, it make me sick | Jul 11 06:01 |
| kingoffrance | s/make/made/ | Jul 11 06:01 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jul 11 06:02 |
| kingoffrance | if you ever are lacking sources of images, catch 22 movie screengrabs is probably rich with untapped potential | Jul 11 06:03 |
| schestowitz | I have an image, but can add more | Jul 11 06:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.macrumors.com/2020/07/10/apple-macbook-camera-cover-warning/amp/ | Jul 11 06:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple Warns Against Closing MacBooks With a Cover Over the Camera - MacRumors | Jul 11 06:10 | |
| schestowitz | would the screengrabs alone do? | Jul 11 06:10 |
| schestowitz | no subtitles or anything? | Jul 11 06:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're closing it wrong. | Jul 11 06:10 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jul 11 06:10 |
| schestowitz | nice one | Jul 11 06:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: record smashed | Jul 11 06:11 |
| schestowitz | by 10k | Jul 11 06:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I gave up trying to figure out swapfile on btrfs. | Jul 11 06:11 |
| schestowitz | late on a friday | Jul 11 06:11 |
| schestowitz | 100k not far away now | Jul 11 06:12 |
| schestowitz | active cases in the US now 35% of the world's | Jul 11 06:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Good. Fuck em. | Jul 11 06:12 |
| schestowitz | the known ones anyway | Jul 11 06:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Die. | Jul 11 06:12 |
| schestowitz | https://gazette.com/ap/politics/at-least-8-mississippi-lawmakers-test-positive-for-covid-19/article_ad4010e5-588e-511c-9888-a97d07588784.html | Jul 11 06:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-At least 8 Mississippi lawmakers test positive for COVID-19 | National | gazette.com | Jul 11 06:12 | |
| schestowitz | GOP | Jul 11 06:12 |
| schestowitz | you don't need to hang them off a tree if you can just make them dumb enough to not wear a mask | Jul 11 06:13 |
| schestowitz | or work from a distance | Jul 11 06:13 |
| schestowitz | prior to thursday I had stayed home for 2 weeks | Jul 11 06:13 |
| schestowitz | the longest ever period, by far.. | Jul 11 06:13 |
| schestowitz | and I hardly even noticed, though living the house felt a tad odd, like leaving a cell | Jul 11 06:13 |
| schestowitz | BTW, the sinuses thing? It's gone. It was nothing. I feel 100% well now. | Jul 11 06:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. I'm feeling more like Al Bundy meets Pablo Escobar all the time these days. | Jul 11 06:14 |
| schestowitz | ed oneal | Jul 11 06:14 |
| schestowitz | he vanished | Jul 11 06:14 |
| schestowitz | he showed up in a few movies/shows afterwards, then nothing | Jul 11 06:15 |
| schestowitz | Over capacity now https://gazette.com/news/governors-office-colorado-potentially-willing-to-take-arizona-coronavirus-patients/article_f4063444-c166-11ea-a54e-8f17a953d994.html | Jul 11 06:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Colorado potentially willing to take Arizona coronavirus patients, Polis says | Colorado Springs News | gazette.com | Jul 11 06:16 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz I had to explain when I told Mandy that no good deed goes unpunished. | Jul 11 06:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems to escape a lot of people that an act of kindness backfires on them somewhere down the line. | Jul 11 06:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Okay, I'm in Kubuntu 20.04. | Jul 11 06:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Grub does understand Zstandard on BtrFS, so you don't really need a separate /boot. | Jul 11 06:53 |
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| oiaohm | https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/07/10/apple-advises-against-macbook-camera-covers-due-to-display-cracking Fun problem. | Jul 11 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple advises against MacBook camera covers due to display cracking | Appleinsider | Jul 11 13:59 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 11 14:05 |
| MinceR | yeah, just let the nsa watch you | Jul 11 14:06 |
| MinceR | or buy a laptop that wasn't made from shit | Jul 11 14:06 |
| XRevan86 | > Placing a cover, sticker or tape over a laptop camera is a practice adopted by some privacy- and security-conscious individuals to protect against webcam hijacking | Jul 11 14:06 |
| XRevan86 | Why would those people buy a macbook? | Jul 11 14:06 |
| MinceR | exactly | Jul 11 14:08 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe they're one of those misguided folk who think that Apple is a privacy-centric company. | Jul 11 14:11 |
| XRevan86 | Compared to Facebook? | Jul 11 14:11 |
| MinceR | maybe compared to the nsa | Jul 11 14:20 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's not a company. | Jul 11 14:20 |
| kingoffrance | thats right. the company is cia | Jul 11 14:21 |
| XRevan86 | BestVPN sent ldavg a follow-up on their bullshit -_- | Jul 11 14:22 |
| kingoffrance | things ive been called on freenode: cia n-word, mossad, and illuminist philosopher-king | Jul 11 14:22 |
| kingoffrance | now these cant all be true | Jul 11 14:22 |
| XRevan86 | Don't they have better things to do? | Jul 11 14:22 |
| MinceR | maybe in their dream world they can | Jul 11 14:22 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Terry Davis was on Freenode? | Jul 11 14:23 |
| kingoffrance | im not sure i understand, i dunno, i dont get the obsession with him | Jul 11 14:24 |
| kingoffrance | but then again, i didnt have 64-bit stuff forever, so havent tried his os | Jul 11 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: It's not about his OS but about his blog. | Jul 11 14:25 |
| kingoffrance | i thought it was tongue-in-cheek, but then he led ppl on i guess | Jul 11 14:25 |
| kingoffrance | hard to say | Jul 11 14:25 |
| MinceR | some people enjoy rebooting so they want everything to run in ring 0 | Jul 11 14:25 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: He didn't have everyone home you know. | Jul 11 14:25 |
| kingoffrance | yeah | Jul 11 14:25 |
| kingoffrance | if you counsel someone and they die (parents who murdered kids cuz tehy were zombies) you are a bad exorcist. if you jump in front of a train, youre a bad prophet. (not knocking mental illness, just saying) | Jul 11 14:26 |
| kingoffrance | oh yeah he would rant about cia | Jul 11 14:27 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 11 14:27 |
| kingoffrance | i dunno why, whatever system programming he did, was he ever likely to interact with anyone? i dont know where he got that from | Jul 11 14:27 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: G-d told him | Jul 11 14:27 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 11 14:27 |
| kingoffrance | thats supposed to be mit anyways -- did he ever go there even? | Jul 11 14:28 |
| XRevan86 | I remember his blogpost about Irish partisans who fought CIA n-words. I wonder if those Irish partisans existed at least in some way %) | Jul 11 14:29 |
| kingoffrance | i guess i wasnt folowing him when he was around, only heard about him years later | Jul 11 14:29 |
| MinceR | but did those cia n-words glow in the dark? | Jul 11 14:29 |
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| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: I also haven't, I was just looking TempleOS up, and that popped up. | Jul 11 14:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Apparently. | Jul 11 14:31 |
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| kingoffrance | i guess ppl hate modern os so much | Jul 11 14:33 |
| kingoffrance | they are willing to give such things a shot | Jul 11 14:33 |
| kingoffrance | i cant blame them there | Jul 11 14:33 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: I think stuff like MenuetOS is a lot more interesting. | Jul 11 14:34 |
| kingoffrance | mostly his "holy c" what i read i didnt see anything i really cared for | Jul 11 14:35 |
| kingoffrance | so why break back-compat for things i didnt see any value in? | Jul 11 14:36 |
| kingoffrance | rest of os, i dunno | Jul 11 14:36 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Don't expect sane design choices there. | Jul 11 14:36 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 11 14:36 |
| kingoffrance | well im not sane, but i care about back-compat | Jul 11 14:36 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Did G-d tell you to maintain back-compat? | Jul 11 14:37 |
| kingoffrance | i geuss to me, if you dont care about back-compat, why care about c? | Jul 11 14:37 |
| MinceR | it probably doesn't have anything to do with c either | Jul 11 14:37 |
| kingoffrance | and again, if you dont care about posix -- why care about c | Jul 11 14:37 |
| kingoffrance | :) what i mean is, i always thought you have a solid base to build on. so, you need something stable to build your crazy new thing on top of IMO | Jul 11 14:38 |
| kingoffrance | you need a stable solid edge to bleed on IMO | Jul 11 14:38 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: You know the answer already. | Jul 11 14:38 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Because G-d told him to. | Jul 11 14:39 |
| XRevan86 | And because then it's possible to pun "Holy See" | Jul 11 14:40 |
| XRevan86 | isn't that reason enough? | Jul 11 14:40 |
| kingoffrance | yeah....thats just......cathedral != temple | Jul 11 14:40 |
| kingoffrance | thats all kinds of insanity IMO | Jul 11 14:40 |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/jamesalbert/HolyC-for-Linux heh | Jul 11 14:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - jamesalbert/HolyC-for-Linux: run HolyC on Linux secularly | Jul 11 14:41 | |
| kingoffrance | lol | Jul 11 14:41 |
| kingoffrance | well there is a guy doing catholicus ...a universal language, but havent seen him lately | Jul 11 14:41 |
| kingoffrance | not my thing, but curious what he comes up with | Jul 11 14:41 |
| kingoffrance | he has too much "reason" for my tastes | Jul 11 14:42 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Universal language? What? | Jul 11 14:42 |
| kingoffrance | i dunno, google | Jul 11 14:42 |
| kingoffrance | he sometimes hangs around proglangdesign | Jul 11 14:42 |
| XRevan86 | Good luck, I guess. | Jul 11 14:42 |
| kingoffrance | well its just another utf to me :) | Jul 11 14:43 |
| kingoffrance | i see the point | Jul 11 14:43 |
| kingoffrance | my (hobby, not work) tastes go elsewehre | Jul 11 14:43 |
| XRevan86 | At least not another metaprog, heh | Jul 11 14:44 |
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| MinceR | If you hold a Unix shell to your ear, can you hear the C? | Jul 11 15:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: :) | Jul 11 15:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I gave up figuring out how to do a swap on btrfs properly and just made an 8 GB partition like Fedora did. | Jul 11 15:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't get used much anyway but I have seen it happen. | Jul 11 15:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/09/investing/credit-card-debt-recession/index.html | Jul 11 15:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-amp.cnn.com | Americans are rapidly shrinking their credit card debt during the pandemic - CNN | Jul 11 15:37 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: https://superuser.com/a/1442752 | Jul 11 15:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-superuser.com | linux - How to create swapfile on ssd disk with btrfs - Super User | Jul 11 15:37 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Fed reports debt going up or down. Not why it did that. | Jul 11 15:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bankruptcy got rid of a lot of it for me. | Jul 11 15:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You beed to make a new subvolume for the swap an mount it there, disable compression and COW, and then activate it and add it to fstab. | Jul 11 15:39 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I don't see why a new subvolume is needed. | Jul 11 15:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you just make one on an existing subvolume, you cannot snapshot that one anymore. | Jul 11 15:40 |
| XRevan86 | Ah %) | Jul 11 15:40 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Yea, makes sense. | Jul 11 15:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Snapshots are interesting. The first one doesn't take any space because it just makes a note of the state, so the existing layout is the snapshot. | Jul 11 15:41 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: It is copy-on-write, so only difference takes space. | Jul 11 15:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then the next ones figure out the delta between the oldest one and that one and store the difference. | Jul 11 15:41 |
| XRevan86 | duperemove can work with XFS, I should try it out | Jul 11 15:48 |
| schestowitz | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53371756 | Jul 11 15:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Roger Stone: Trump spares ex-adviser from prison, sparking critics' anger - BBC News | Jul 11 15:49 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's interesting that Ubuntu defaults include ssd as a mount option and Fedora doesn't. | Jul 11 15:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.8-Inclusive-Terminology | Jul 11 16:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.8 Formally Adds The Inclusive Terminology Guidelines - Phoronix | Jul 11 16:27 | |
| *XRevan86 released 37G on localhost. Neat. | Jul 11 16:28 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure that 0xBIGBOOBS-soft in Redmond approves. | Jul 11 16:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hp8sfv/linux_adds_inclusive_terminology_guidelines/ | Jul 11 16:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Linux adds inclusive terminology guidelines : linux | Jul 11 16:35 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/lZFLDPwpMpctemTRLnHSMqDY > | Jul 11 16:35 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/hozmqt/justno_comment/ | Jul 11 16:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Just...no comment : ProgrammerHumor | Jul 11 16:48 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/zUpkXWFWGiqGXMgZZpfhRDqL > | Jul 11 16:48 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Added about Edge: (We used to call this "hijacker malware", but when the enemy is the OS vendor you will lose. Plus, they'll pay off the media to spin doctor it.) | Jul 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | yes, the language thing is a bit of a distraction | Jul 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | it's being led by an intel employee who puts TPM (!) inside Linux | Jul 11 16:52 |
| *XRevan86 is tired of the "language defines thought" bullcrap. | Jul 11 16:54 | |
| schestowitz | Putin is a fuckwit | Jul 11 16:54 |
| schestowitz | and a pussy | Jul 11 16:54 |
| *schestowitz now based in Moscow | Jul 11 16:54 | |
| XRevan86 | He'd drawn a pussy | Jul 11 16:54 |
| schestowitz | sorry, I was only joking, I was drunk... | Jul 11 16:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a race to see whether Windows will be secure before Bill Gates cures AIDS and saves the world from Climate Change. | Jul 11 16:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Over and over again, forever, with no actual results. That doesn't matter. Just pay the 'media' again." | Jul 11 16:55 |
| XRevan86 | https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2013/09/05/12/putin-cat.jpg | Jul 11 16:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyone who doesn't like the diagram is spreading illegal homosexual propaganda. | Jul 11 16:55 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jul 11 16:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Nobody wants to interfere with them as they live their lives!" -Putin | Jul 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: media that writes for him kills its own credibility | Jul 11 16:56 |
| XRevan86 | except Chechens | Jul 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | sometims belatedly | Jul 11 16:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rams through a bunch more laws that make it illegal to be gay | Jul 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | when people find out where the money came from | Jul 11 16:56 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Putin forgot that homophobic sentiments were used in a campaign for his terms reset. | Jul 11 16:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <XRevan86 "except Chechens"> I think the solution to that is to just carpet bomb them. I have no idea why Russia wants it with the current occupants. | Jul 11 16:57 |
| XRevan86 | eons ago, a whole week ago | Jul 11 16:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <XRevan86 "eons ago, a whole week ago"> He evolves. | Jul 11 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Uh, I'll choose to ignore that. | Jul 11 16:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: I am writing something related to this right now... draft still | Jul 11 16:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Much faster than American politicians who were anti-gay and then "evolved" after the Supreme Court deleted everything they supported a couple years before. | Jul 11 16:58 |
| schestowitz | The Internet Archive Doesn't Forget, Whereas the Internet and the Web Forget Very Fast | Jul 11 16:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "The Internet Archive Doesn't For"> robots.txt can fix that | Jul 11 16:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | retroactively | Jul 11 16:59 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: He didn't evolve, he goes the usual "deny everything" route. | Jul 11 16:59 |
| XRevan86 | even if it's in the open, you're only guilty if you say you are | Jul 11 16:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, Trump does that too. | Jul 11 16:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Holds up a rainbow flag and then kicks trans people out of the military and knocks LGBT healthcare out of Medicare and the ACA. | Jul 11 17:00 |
| schestowitz | trumputin rasputin | Jul 11 17:00 |
| XRevan86 | Pieskov commented the HBO's video on Chechña with the usual "we didn't see it" | Jul 11 17:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Takes credit for Gilead dumping millions of bottles of Truvada on the market to prevent any competitors from cloning it. | Jul 11 17:00 |
| XRevan86 | and then with "tell us if you want us to postpone everything and go want that film" | Jul 11 17:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Calls it the Trump plan to eliminate HIV. | Jul 11 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | * go watch that | Jul 11 17:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he gets a second term I think we'll see his plan to wipe out HIV. | Jul 11 17:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It has camps and special uniforms. | Jul 11 17:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'll love it. Trust him. | Jul 11 17:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He;s already a lame duck. | Jul 11 17:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he figured he had a shot of winning the election, he'd delay the pardon of Roger Stone for a few months and do it then. | Jul 11 17:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's moved on to "Do as much damage on the way out as possible.". | Jul 11 17:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The people who are horrified of Trump already hate his guts and the people who would vote for him again if he shot someone on 5th Ave. aren't going anywhere. | Jul 11 17:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So he can do whatever he wants. | Jul 11 17:03 |
| XRevan86 | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/07/11/the-region-s-biggest-protest-ever something tells me Putin didn't see that coming | Jul 11 17:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Jul 11 17:04 | |
| XRevan86 | A lot of arrests since 4th of July | Jul 11 17:04 |
| schestowitz | I noticed | Jul 11 17:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state must protect the good and decent people from the filthy savages. | Jul 11 17:10 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: From political opposition? | Jul 11 17:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're barely citizens anyway and have less rights even though the state swears up and down that we're all equal. | Jul 11 17:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the US, the "filthy second class citizens who have no rights" are basically people without enough money to defend themselves from the accusation that they've committed some crime. | Jul 11 17:11 |
| XRevan86 | What a truly wonderful year 2020 is, the US and Russia keep jumping the shark | Jul 11 17:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state comes down 10 time harder on people with no money and then sets them up so that they can't even get an apartment or job or move past it, even if it was a misdemeanor. | Jul 11 17:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Mom was talking about someone who got busted for child porn. I said, "Well, he'll get 60,000 years in prison unless he's rich, then he'll essentially get Pablo Escobar treatment where he gets to decide what prison is. | Jul 11 17:13 |
| XRevan86 | In Putin's Russia when a case goes to court, "not guilty" are extremely unlikely words to hear. | Jul 11 17:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Being rich might not get you out of trouble completely. But it'll get you 90% of the way there all by itself. | Jul 11 17:13 |
| XRevan86 | A case is considered "won" when the sentence is soft. | Jul 11 17:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Affluenza Defense in Texas for example. | Jul 11 17:14 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: 2036 | Jul 11 17:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Oh this teenager is so rich that yeah he got drunk and killed some people, but prison would just be too cruel!" | Jul 11 17:14 |
| schestowitz | ivanka will carry the baton | Jul 11 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Two years before 2038 | Jul 11 17:14 |
| schestowitz | to carry on with the family's genius | Jul 11 17:14 |
| schestowitz | and price Jared | Jul 11 17:14 |
| *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Jul 11 17:14 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they let him out and he can't even be bothered to comply with some probation. | Jul 11 17:14 |
| schestowitz | First Gentleman | Jul 11 17:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have to ask Mexico to extradite him | Jul 11 17:15 |
| XRevan86 | Would've been funny if those dates matched. | Jul 11 17:15 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: then he'll use unix clock to turn things back again | Jul 11 17:15 |
| XRevan86 | Putin's terms ended and so did the 32-bit unix epoch | Jul 11 17:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It just goes on and on because nobody will bring the hammer down because of his family's money. | Jul 11 17:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you had a black guy who was an electrician who decided to get drunk and managed to cause a car crash that killed 3 people, guess what happens when that gets to court with a public defender. | Jul 11 17:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're going to throw the book, then the book shelf, then the library. Brick by brick | Jul 11 17:16 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: He should write that the edge date of his terms should be written in MariaDB in a column of the TIMESTAMP type. | Jul 11 17:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Linux kernel' new CoC is the product of SJWs who voted for Jill Stein or something. | Jul 11 17:17 |
| XRevan86 | And if he's still eligible should be determined by a difference between CURRENT_DATE and that column | Jul 11 17:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who are a bunch of fucking retards who think they're changing things. | Jul 11 17:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If we call it a denylist instead of a blacklist, maybe breaking userspace in the process, it means that the cops will stop choking black people tomorrow! | Jul 11 17:19 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I'm curious as to what blackmail will now be called | Jul 11 17:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | africanamericanmail | Jul 11 17:22 |
| XRevan86 | denymail | Jul 11 17:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Did you just assume my gender-mail. | Jul 11 17:23 |
| XRevan86 | maybe badmail | Jul 11 17:23 |
| XRevan86 | And yes, they really do want to remove anything negative that has the word "black" in it. | Jul 11 17:27 |
| XRevan86 | Because humans can into context no more. | Jul 11 17:27 |
| XRevan86 | Instead of "black sheep" say "white crow". | Jul 11 17:28 |
| *XRevan86 probably shouldn't give ideas. | Jul 11 17:29 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't say white either. | Jul 11 17:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It might be interpreted as good because it has white in it. | Jul 11 17:32 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: This is a negative connotation, so it's fine. | Jul 11 17:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://peertube.co.uk/videos/watch/813c7065-852d-4f25-9785-26381b72b1b4 | Jul 11 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-peertube.co.uk | MPV Devs Consider Blocking MPV From Running On Gnome - PeerTube UK ✊🏿 | Jul 11 17:38 | |
| superkuh | ... what a headline. | Jul 11 17:38 |
| superkuh | Doesn't seem to match reality. | Jul 11 17:39 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139764 [https://pleroma.site/objects/40892b41-dedb-401c-96f7-52145da778b2] | Jul 11 17:39 | |
| XRevan86 | They blocked and then unblocked. | Jul 11 17:39 |
| XRevan86 | with a bizarre commit message | Jul 11 17:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wonder what that's about. | Jul 11 17:40 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Apparently that GNOME doesn't support xdg extensions for SSD | Jul 11 17:40 |
| superkuh | gnome doesn't want to implement some notifications/etc interface that kde and other DE have. | Jul 11 17:40 |
| XRevan86 | Wayland stuff | Jul 11 17:40 |
| superkuh | As long as the real gnome (MATE) does it's fine. | Jul 11 17:41 |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/commit/cdaa4963 | Jul 11 17:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Warn if on GNOME · mpv-player/mpv@cdaa496 · GitHub | Jul 11 17:41 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I finally got pissed off enough with GNOME to just get rid of it. | Jul 11 17:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then I tried Fedora with KDE and found out that some of the underlying OS stuff was actually stopping KDE from working properly. | Jul 11 17:43 |
| schestowitz | I saw some rants about iy lately | Jul 11 17:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is embarrassing. | Jul 11 17:43 |
| schestowitz | I thought they had removed the idiotic part of their page | Jul 11 17:44 |
| schestowitz | turned out they did not, just issued some vague clarification | Jul 11 17:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I hopped on over to Kubuntu 20.04. It's working out well so far. | Jul 11 17:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So right at the moment it's a Kubuntu 20.04 on BtrFS setup. | Jul 11 17:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Assuming I don't find fucking stupid bugs going on here that are just too awful to live with, I'll probably put down roots. :P | Jul 11 17:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Something that causes window dragging to be horrible on a modern computer should have been noticed on GNOME right away, but so should Clocks taking up more CPU time than encoding WavPack files. | Jul 11 17:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just no longer trust GNOME to do even simple things properly, so it kind of makes me wonder what else is going wrong or will soon. | Jul 11 17:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They did some "code refactoring" in 3.34 and broke stuff that had been working before. | Jul 11 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Turns out "code refactoring" that causes more bugs is just fine. | Jul 11 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's not something I want to deal with. | Jul 11 17:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I get that mass cleanups happen, but they should probably do it in stages and with small enough increments that they can see if the new code is working properly before going further. | Jul 11 17:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A cleanup that makes something prettier to look at that breaks window dragging is not better for the end user. | Jul 11 17:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, Peertube got after me for disabling Javascript in general. | Jul 11 17:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "There are many reasons to disable Javascript.". | Jul 11 17:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, because almost every use of it on the modern web is malware to some extent an I want as little as possible to make the site work. | Jul 11 17:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Every browser attempt to sandbox it has failed to do so, and they're far more concerned with adding APIs that make user tracking easier than they are at fixing their sandboxing. | Jul 11 17:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mostly what it does to news articles is let them autoplay videos, disable mouse buttons, and load paywalls. That's not great for me. | Jul 11 17:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Speaking of which.... | Jul 11 17:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I ran into a retrospective article on Starship Troopers and how it was about 20 years ahead of its time. | Jul 11 17:54 |
| MinceR | the novel or the movie? | Jul 11 17:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now we find ourselves watching the police deal with every problem with horrible violence and trying to beat a stupid virus into submission in terms of violence which have no effect on it. | Jul 11 17:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The movie. | Jul 11 17:55 |
| *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights | Jul 11 17:58 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/04/26/a1a12c8e6d2da524.jpg | Jul 11 18:15 |
| superkuh | Do you want to know more? | Jul 11 18:15 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's an awesome movie | Jul 11 18:15 |
| superkuh | Mhm. Just not the cut down for TV version. Gotta watch the full thing. | Jul 11 18:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The rotting Windows XP compatibility crap that foobar2000 dropped made it run much better in Wine. | Jul 11 18:24 |
| MinceR | ah, good old Windows Xeroderma Pigmentosum | Jul 11 18:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 7 with an SSE2 processor is the minimum now. | Jul 11 18:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone made a Snap package with foobar2000 in Wine. | Jul 11 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm like "Why?". | Jul 11 18:30 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 11 18:34 |
| superkuh | Life is an infinite regression of nested complexity. Nice to see software following suite. | Jul 11 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://gitlab.xiph.org/xiph/vorbis/-/blob/master/CHANGES | Jul 11 18:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gitlab.xiph.org | CHANGES · master · Xiph.Org / Vorbis · GitLab | Jul 11 18:36 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vorbis 1.3.7 quietly released. | Jul 11 18:36 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: btw, linus merged a patch with guidelines saying we shouldn't use the words master and slave, nor whitelist and blacklist | Jul 11 18:41 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: since you're pro-biden, i assume you support this, right? | Jul 11 18:43 |
| MinceR | no | Jul 11 18:45 |
| CrystalMath | then you might want to reconsider your affiliation, Joe Biden kneels in front of BLM | Jul 11 18:45 |
| MinceR | my affiliation remains "neither", then | Jul 11 18:45 |
| MinceR | also, what does BLM have to do with crybullies? | Jul 11 18:46 |
| CrystalMath | BLM started the discussion about master/slave and whitelist/blacklist | Jul 11 18:46 |
| MinceR | and for that matter, what does biden have to do with crybullies? | Jul 11 18:46 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Jul 11 18:46 |
| CrystalMath | it' | Jul 11 18:46 |
| CrystalMath | it's on wikipedia | Jul 11 18:46 |
| MinceR | which article? | Jul 11 18:46 |
| CrystalMath | reference 7 is | Jul 11 18:46 |
| CrystalMath | https://www.cnet.com/news/master-and-slave-tech-terms-face-scrutiny-amid-anti-racism-efforts/ | Jul 11 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts - CNET | Jul 11 18:47 | |
| CrystalMath | you wanted a citation :) | Jul 11 18:47 |
| MinceR | interesting | Jul 11 18:47 |
| CrystalMath | idk what to do with graylist, it will upset aliens | Jul 11 18:48 |
| MinceR | it will upset people in the UK | Jul 11 18:48 |
| MinceR | while greylist will upset people in north america | Jul 11 18:48 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You're being insensitive towards Canadians right now. | Jul 11 18:49 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 11 18:50 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master/slave_(technology) | Jul 11 18:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Master/slave (technology) - Wikipedia | Jul 11 18:56 | |
| MinceR | the crybully bullshittery against these terms was already going on in 2003, before BLM warmed it up again | Jul 11 18:56 |
| MinceR | https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/03/joe-biden-college-campus-sexual-assault-226481 | Jul 11 18:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Joe Biden Created the Culture He Is a Target Of - POLITICO Magazine | Jul 11 18:57 | |
| MinceR | it even predates biden's vice presidency | Jul 11 18:58 |
| MinceR | uhmerica is so fucked | Jul 11 18:59 |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_20200711_125859.png (266KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/mHDxYtuAtOCqjgxKzBUbjrGN > | Jul 11 19:00 | |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 11 19:00 |
| XRevan86 | https://xmppshare.meowr.ru/7018dab47d96f0125923921d7e7b834efc33c532/foXEASRy7CbAGwIN5ioYHaWqnRjuPjYdl4nJVET7/exclusive.jpg | Jul 11 19:02 |
| cybrNaut | Gemini needs content. schestowitz- wouldn't techrights.org be a good candidate? https://gemini.circumlunar.space/docs/faq.html | Jul 11 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gemini.circumlunar.space | Project Gemini FAQ | Jul 11 19:02 | |
| XRevan86 | (not as good as Depeche Mode admittedly) | Jul 11 19:02 |
| MinceR | i wonder if crybullies will also go after "remaster" | Jul 11 19:03 |
| *XRevan86 faints | Jul 11 19:03 | |
| MinceR | i've got Master of Puppets on my playlist but also several "remastered" versions of stuff | Jul 11 19:03 |
| MinceR | oh, also Masters of the Universe by Juno Reactor | Jul 11 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think you mean primaries of the universe. | Jul 11 19:04 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 11 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Followed by the somewhat less successful secondaries/dependents. | Jul 11 19:04 |
| MinceR | replicas | Jul 11 19:04 |
| XRevan86 | "Black Sheep of the Family" | Jul 11 19:05 |
| *XRevan86 blacks out | Jul 11 19:05 | |
| MinceR | > world war 3 will be fought between BLM and BDSM. Because people who are into bondage are not likely to cave in and stop using the words "master" and "slave" | Jul 11 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Comedy Central has been playing the episodes with Mr. Slave a lot more lately. | Jul 11 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With South Park. | Jul 11 19:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 11 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're picking these episodes out of their back catalog to troll people. | Jul 11 19:07 |
| MinceR | good | Jul 11 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "In 2012, after feminist Anita Sarkeesian started a Kickstarter campaign to fund a series of YouTube videos chronicling misogyny in video games, she received bomb threats at speaking engagements, doxxing threats, rape threats and an unwanted starring role in a video game called Beat Up Anita Sarkeesian." | Jul 11 19:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Jul 11 19:14 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 11 19:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that trolling happens because we're forced to be nice to people we can't stand every day and then need to purge ourselves of that. | Jul 11 19:15 |
| MinceR | it can also be fun | Jul 11 19:16 |
| MinceR | and sometimes it's a way to get rid of people | Jul 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz | cybrNaut: yes, but what would be required? | Jul 11 19:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Sarkeesian#Harassment | Jul 11 19:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Anita Sarkeesian - Wikipedia | Jul 11 19:17 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder how much of that was just get on Tor and troll yourself to draw attention. | Jul 11 19:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean it's what I would do. The trolling would then be against the people who were so mad at the "trolling" that they got on my Kickstarter and paid me money. | Jul 11 19:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's probably a lot of Jussie Smollets out there and few get caught. | Jul 11 19:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He was mad about not getting as much money for a TV role as he wanted and thought that staging an attack by "Trump supporters" who "shouted racist and anti-gay things" would draw attention to him and get him better roles. | Jul 11 19:21 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/04/26/f47e6c5ae86a181e.jpg | Jul 11 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Chicago spent over a million dollars investigating it as a hate crime and found out that they were being played. | Jul 11 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: There goes the shopping bag tax money. | Jul 11 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Guess we'll just need another tax. | Jul 11 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then there's rich people trolling the bankruptcy courts and gloating about it while the bankruptcy goes through and somehow they're still rich. | Jul 11 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like Trump, or the CEO of Penneys. | Jul 11 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For the rich, bankruptcy court is basically just a place to go when you use things and then don't want to pay even though you have plenty of money. | Jul 11 19:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's like taxes. | Jul 11 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't want to pay the taxes so they hire lawyers and lobbyists and then there's no taxes. | Jul 11 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: This SJW crap is an outrage, but there are so many that are worse than that.... | Jul 11 19:27 |
| MinceR | like what? | Jul 11 19:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, like the political correctness is vomit inducing, but what do you do? Trump is the reaction? | Jul 11 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The guy who cheats his taxes and then walks away from all his bills? | Jul 11 19:28 |
| MinceR | EXTERMINATE | Jul 11 19:28 |
| MinceR | my reaction would be to abolish the state | Jul 11 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If only. | Jul 11 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Take all your money and then tells you how much of it you can have back as shitty health care and possibly food stamps. | Jul 11 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On welfare because they took a third of your money. | Jul 11 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So instead of taking less of your money they just hire paper pushers to decide how muxh you can have back and what you will do with it. | Jul 11 19:30 |
| cybrNaut | schestowitz: i imagine offering Gemini service entails setting up another server. I've not done it myself so I don't really know what's involved. I just thought considering the whole objective of Techrights it would make a proper statement and show commitment to the sites own advocacy if it had a Gemini server. And it might get more notice too, since Gemini is apparently small. | Jul 11 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zo%C3%AB_Quinn | Jul 11 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Zoë Quinn - Wikipedia | Jul 11 19:32 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Zoë Tiberius Quinn[1] (born 1987) is an American video game developer, programmer, and writer. They[a] developed the interactive fiction game Depression Quest, which was released in 2013. | Jul 11 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They..... | Jul 11 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | SJWs corrupting Wikipedia to legitimize their attack on the English language. | Jul 11 19:33 |
| MinceR | they is grammatically correct third person singular of indeterminate gender | Jul 11 19:33 |
| MinceR | and has been for quite some time :> | Jul 11 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "This article is protected to promote compliance." | Jul 11 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "A favorite of theirs" | Jul 11 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, we know what she is. | Jul 11 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A self-loathing gender-confused woman. | Jul 11 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently.... | Jul 11 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "They" even created a video game about depression. | Jul 11 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline receives part of the proceeds." | Jul 11 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Awesome sauce. So that they can dox people who call it and send cops. | Jul 11 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "A portion of each copy sold goes to having the police say 'fuck it' and executing a mentally ill person who called the suicide line!" | Jul 11 19:36 |
| MinceR | what did you expect from wikipedia, though? | Jul 11 19:37 |
| schestowitz | cybrNaut: who uses it? Geeks? Free software ones? | Jul 11 19:38 |
| MinceR | it's been a battleground for political cliques for ages | Jul 11 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is an immersive opportunity to enter the world of mental healthcare, assuming you survive the "police encounter", where you will be strapped to a bed and whacked up with Haldol so you'll sleep until the "hospital" can legally dump you out onto the street! | Jul 11 19:38 |
| schestowitz | if not many FS people are on it, the demand for TR over this protocol would be low | Jul 11 19:38 |
| schestowitz | I'm all for replacing http/www | Jul 11 19:38 |
| MinceR | what would you replace http with? | Jul 11 19:39 |
| MinceR | and why? | Jul 11 19:39 |
| schestowitz | something that is | Jul 11 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd argue that most suicide attempt survivors do not try it again after that because of what the state puts them through. | Jul 11 19:39 |
| schestowitz | 1) possibly p2p | Jul 11 19:39 |
| schestowitz | 2) more robust against ddos | Jul 11 19:39 |
| schestowitz | 3) anonymity better protected | Jul 11 19:39 |
| schestowitz | 4) does not encourage bloat | Jul 11 19:40 |
| schestowitz | 5) no DRM/EME | Jul 11 19:40 |
| schestowitz | ... | Jul 11 19:40 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 11 19:40 |
| MinceR | EME is not part of HTTP, afaik | Jul 11 19:40 |
| schestowitz | we need to start >somewhere< | Jul 11 19:40 |
| schestowitz | www has near monopoly | Jul 11 19:40 |
| cybrNaut | schestowitz: in principle Gemini would be used by anyone who finds the current web disturbing (the tracking and the j/s, popups, things that make websites shitty). I don't know the demographic; it's probably too new to know. | Jul 11 19:40 |
| MinceR | HTTP over Tor could help somewhat | Jul 11 19:40 |
| schestowitz | gopher is too primitive | Jul 11 19:40 |
| MinceR | something non-web could be built on top of http | Jul 11 19:40 |
| schestowitz | there's the transport layer and the presentation layer, nothing inherently wrong with sgml/xhtml | Jul 11 19:40 |
| schestowitz | tor/onion is dodgy to me | Jul 11 19:41 |
| cybrNaut | the demand is controlled by the content available. If you stand up a Gemini server, you add to the content which then helps increase the demand | Jul 11 19:41 |
| schestowitz | because of some things about the tor project people and its origin | Jul 11 19:41 |
| schestowitz | need another browser for it, right? | Jul 11 19:42 |
| schestowitz | are they FS browsers? | Jul 11 19:42 |
| schestowitz | and in repos? | Jul 11 19:42 |
| schestowitz | FF uses to do gopher iirc | Jul 11 19:42 |
| MinceR | try i2p, then | Jul 11 19:43 |
| cybrNaut | i'm not sure gopher has any graphical features, so i'm not sure if anything is lost by using lynx or the like on gopher instead of a GUI browser | Jul 11 19:43 |
| cybrNaut | i recently used lynx to reach a gopher site, and cURL worked as well | Jul 11 19:44 |
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| cybrNaut | the links were dark blue on black iirc, so it wasn't pretty | Jul 11 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Tim Berners-Lee appears to agree with Apple. | Jul 11 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He didn't want porn on the web, but DRM is terrific. | Jul 11 19:48 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/DF4KgzU.mp4 | Jul 11 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DRM is much more corrosive to a free society than porn ever could be. | Jul 11 19:48 |
| psydroid | Tim-Berners Lee sold out a long time ago, he's part of the status quo now | Jul 11 19:48 |
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| psydroid | I saw the first part of his presentation about Solid/Inrupt at FOSDEM and I was thinking "this is like putting lipstick on a pig" | Jul 11 19:49 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | There's so many reasons to not want DRM software on your computer. | Jul 11 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The security problems alone are becoming more obvious. | Jul 11 19:50 |
| schestowitz | accessibility | Jul 11 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That fingerprinting attack script called it to enumerate data about the user, for starters. | Jul 11 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if it doesn't load, it tells them something about you. | Jul 11 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Makes you more unique. | Jul 11 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is terrible. | Jul 11 19:51 |
| cybrNaut | https://blog.soykaf.com/post/gopher-support-in-pleroma/ | Jul 11 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.soykaf.com | Gopher Support in Pleroma | Lainblog | Jul 11 19:51 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Reddit seems to need some first party scripts to work properly now. | Jul 11 19:51 |
| MinceR | even old.reddit.com? | Jul 11 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But there's a ton of third party crap that can be disabled that doesn't affect using the site much. | Jul 11 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least half the domains that load scripts on most sites have nothing to do with you using the site. | Jul 11 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're trackers and shit. | Jul 11 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would say that, psychologically, there's a line separating men and women as far as thought process goes. | Jul 11 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Much of that is regulated by hormones. | Jul 11 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not saying that men are superior here. In fact, in many cases it's quite the opposite. | Jul 11 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Men don't plan long term as well, on average. | Jul 11 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As far as I know, there was never any outcry over what terms were used internally in an operating system kernel. | Jul 11 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most women know enough about a computer to reboot their iPhone from what I've seen. | Jul 11 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have no active interest in the actual code, for the most part. So I'm wondering where all of those "outrage" actually is coming from. There's like 1-2 kernel contributors out of thousands who decided to have a public meltdown and that's what I've actually seen. | Jul 11 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I felt pretty horrified about doing bankruptcy stuff over email and Google drives and stuff. | Jul 11 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The alternative was far worse. Wait around for everyone to drag me into court. | Jul 11 20:02 |
| MinceR | the likes of microshit | Jul 11 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who wants to steal my identity anyway. It's been slimed for the next decade. | Jul 11 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even among men dominating the software/hardware scene, they're not actually doing so well with the actual coding and design part these days. | Jul 11 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, with all of these fly by night companies burrowing into Linux, we're going back into the hurricane of halfassedness that was the reason shit hardly ever worked years ago, albeit it for different reasons. | Jul 11 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Things got really good for about a decade and then started going in the way wrong direction again big time. | Jul 11 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of that is because these companies have burrowed in and they're putting things in Linux that nobody in their right mind would accept, which aren't even Free Software. | Jul 11 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DRM hooks and such. (Intel mainly.) | Jul 11 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is fucking garbage and when someone hooks into it using Firefox or something and uses it to pull off an attack that strikes right into the kernel..... | Jul 11 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's when, not if.... | Jul 11 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GNOME is turning into a major disaster. I mean, people have hurled that accusation at them before, but they should have kept their powder dry. | Jul 11 20:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They're removing working code that did something that was useful, they're breaking code that worked fine before. | Jul 11 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think that Cinnamon/Nemo are viable long term solutions and I won't even touch them. It's more like where to even begin. The github hosting alone should scare you. | Jul 11 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | About the only technical advantage they have over KDE appears to be that it actually autodetects hidpi and scales itself properly while you have to configure some stuff with KDE. | Jul 11 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The drawbacks vs KDE are legion. | Jul 11 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know if Cinnamon has one of those ridiculous code of conduct things, but it doesn't matter. They're not really all that independent of GNOME and eventually they always have to rebase. | Jul 11 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: They don't rebase anymore. | Jul 11 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | Cinnamon is a fork of GNOME 3.8. | Jul 11 20:13 |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/flour | Jul 11 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Flour | Jul 11 20:35 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They brought Roger Ebert back from the dead so that he could shit on more great movies. | Jul 11 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a brand now, with ghost writers. | Jul 11 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Metacritic later noted that Ebert tended to give more lenient ratings than most critics." | Jul 11 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Does that include the ones that Sony made up so that they could review their own movies? | Jul 11 20:40 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Manning_(fictitious_writer) | Jul 11 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | David Manning (fictitious writer) - Wikipedia | Jul 11 20:43 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "On June 10, 2001, on an episode of Le Show, host Harry Shearer conducted an in-studio interview with David Manning. The voice of Manning was provided by a computer voice synthesizer.[3]" | Jul 11 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Jul 11 20:43 |
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| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC_Hawking | Jul 11 20:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | MC Hawking - Wikipedia | Jul 11 20:44 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I didn't always agree with Roger Ebert, but the guy was a relic basically. As-in, he actually existed and watched the movies he reviewed. | Jul 11 20:45 |
| schestowitz | [19:51] <cybrNaut> https://blog.soykaf.com/post/gopher-support-in-pleroma/ | Jul 11 20:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.soykaf.com | Gopher Support in Pleroma | Lainblog | Jul 11 20:46 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | He also gave out some bad reviews to high budget movies. | Jul 11 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about this one. Saw it several times before. | Jul 11 20:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Gopher support was removed from Firefox. Then there was Overbite, which patched it back in. | Jul 11 20:46 |
| schestowitz | with 5 hours to go 40,597 covid19 cases in us added | Jul 11 20:47 |
| schestowitz | uk up 800 | Jul 11 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then WebExtensions finally killed it again. You can use a Gopher proxy, or you can install a non-Free "helper app" to use real Gopher. | Jul 11 20:47 |
| schestowitz | more than the usual | Jul 11 20:47 |
| schestowitz | texas has not even reported its numbers yet | Jul 11 20:47 |
| schestowitz | so expect something like 60k+ for the daya | Jul 11 20:47 |
| schestowitz | *day | Jul 11 20:47 |
| schestowitz | almost 20 more states to report | Jul 11 20:47 |
| schestowitz | about 15 | Jul 11 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Today, a Saturday, Florida reports 10,360 more #covid19 cases | Jul 11 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, but puts on his MAGA hat for a moment something something there's car accidents, so what do you do? | Jul 11 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The pushback against face masks is just ridiculous. | Jul 11 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There are still a few people who are against seatbelt laws, but the cops are vicious about enforcing them, and the rub is that if you get killed and were not wearing one, you're the one that dies. | Jul 11 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't somehow spread to the other passengers or the people in the other car. | Jul 11 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you don't want to wear a seatbelt, that's your fucking problem... | Jul 11 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Hurd Munity | Jul 11 20:50 |
| schestowitz | 'Murica! | Jul 11 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On the other hand cops don't enforce the mask law and many of them say they never will. | Jul 11 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even though you can spread enough virus to ultimately kill dozens of people. | Jul 11 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I don't care if people smoke, over where I don't have to inhale it, or don't wear their seatbelt. | Jul 11 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This mask thing is something I do find horrific. The fact that they're "required" but nobody does anything to the people who refuse, even though it's not that much of a burden. | Jul 11 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can potentially harm many other people. | Jul 11 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That makes it different than gambling with their own life. | Jul 11 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You could give it to someone who works in a nursing home, and then they go in and give it to all the residents, and then 90% of the residents die. | Jul 11 20:53 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | We're seeing that a lot. Nursing homes have so many COVID deaths that they're demanding immunity from lawsuits. | Jul 11 20:54 |
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| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDIF3XhXTT8 | Jul 11 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | [20:51] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: I don't care if people smoke, over where I don't have to inhale it, or don't wear their seatbelt. | Jul 11 20:59 |
| schestowitz | lack of seatbelt can affect one's ability to control the steering of a car | Jul 11 20:59 |
| schestowitz | you could even be a pedestrian at the time | Jul 11 20:59 |
| MinceR | a person not wearing a seatbelt can still crash into other people in the same car and damage them in the case of an accident | Jul 11 20:59 |
| schestowitz | maybe airbags | Jul 11 20:59 |
| schestowitz | same for drunk drivers | Jul 11 21:00 |
| schestowitz | s Pandemic Toll Rises, Science Deniers in Louisiana Shun Masks, Comparing Health Measures to Nazi Germany https://www.desmogblog.com/2020/07/10/covid-louisiana-science-denial-anti-mask-mccormick-spell | Jul 11 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.desmogblog.com | As Pandemic Toll Rises, Science Deniers in Louisiana Shun Masks, Comparing Health Measures to Nazi Germany | DeSmog | Jul 11 21:04 | |
| superkuh | DaemonFC[m], it would be somewhat self-defeating to use physical force to make people wear masks and then not have any supply of masks that actually prevent the wearer from getting sick. | Jul 11 21:07 |
| superkuh | Unfitted, gap-containing masks help a tiny bit. Not really enough to use violence to enforce wearing them. | Jul 11 21:07 |
| superkuh | I am fully behind using law to increase manufacture of fit masks with no gaps, and if possible electrospun, then having laws to wear effective masks. | Jul 11 21:08 |
| superkuh | At least in buildings. | Jul 11 21:08 |
| superkuh | Right now it's like forcing people to wear a life jacket while driving. Yes, it'll help if you go into water. But that's not the main way you die when driving. | Jul 11 21:09 |
| superkuh | And in the end it makes the situation harder because the non-masking idiots can rightfully say most masks do nothing. | Jul 11 21:10 |
| schestowitz | +44,194 cases | Jul 11 21:14 |
| schestowitz | it'll be well over 60k today | Jul 11 21:14 |
| MinceR | "the goggles, they do nothing!" | Jul 11 21:14 |
| schestowitz | most construction workers will say their helmet was never hit by anything | Jul 11 21:15 |
| schestowitz | yet they still wear it about 40 hours a week | Jul 11 21:15 |
| scientes | schestowitz, and for damn good reason! | Jul 11 21:17 |
| *scientes wore one of those before | Jul 11 21:17 | |
| schestowitz | yeah, they are cheap | Jul 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | and the risk of not wearing one when you need it is huge | Jul 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | if you work around tractors and collapsing structures | Jul 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | same for bike helmet | Jul 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | you can take almost any hit and survive somehow at that speed | Jul 11 21:19 |
| scientes | I was the guy telling people not wearing helmets to not walk under the aerial worker | Jul 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | except head hit | Jul 11 21:20 |
| schestowitz | crane? | Jul 11 21:20 |
| scientes | schestowitz, no telephone poles | Jul 11 21:20 |
| schestowitz | i c | Jul 11 21:20 |
| scientes | booms | Jul 11 21:20 |
| schestowitz | cc seniorita | Jul 11 21:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: 47k+ | Jul 11 21:33 |
| *cybrNaut revises privay philosophy to: privacy is like guns, condoms, and helmets - better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it | Jul 11 21:34 | |
| cybrNaut | s/privay/privacy/ | Jul 11 21:34 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 11 21:39 |
| *schestowitz does hard-hitting article on systemd | Jul 11 21:44 | |
| MinceR | nice | Jul 11 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | http://hoaxes.org/weblog/comments/peanut_butter_and_mayonnaise_panic | Jul 11 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hoaxes.org | The Peanut Butter and Mayonnaise Panic of 1969 | Jul 11 21:45 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/QVSWDvNOvTXqqZovlTiGxqdd > | Jul 11 21:45 | |
| schestowitz | preceding/feature image will be http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/systemd-everywhere.jpg | Jul 11 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | --- | Jul 11 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, there were no drugs anywhere in the 70s! | Jul 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | I'm working on the text | Jul 11 21:46 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 11 21:46 |
| *schestowitz noticed earlier today views per article on average more than doubled this past year | Jul 11 21:46 | |
| schestowitz | if you see a typo, holler | Jul 11 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | systemd is very modular, with modules that only work with systemd. | Jul 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | I am more paranoid about typos now | Jul 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | and it slows me down a lot | Jul 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: 51k | Jul 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | wow | Jul 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | up so fast | Jul 11 21:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Perhaps tribbles would be better | Jul 11 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribble | Jul 11 21:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Tribble - Wikipedia | Jul 11 21:48 | |
| schestowitz | 462 deaths today in Europe | Jul 11 21:48 |
| schestowitz | 188 of which in Russia | Jul 11 21:48 |
| schestowitz | US tops that by like 50% | Jul 11 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | systemd "modules". | Jul 11 21:48 |
| scientes | those numbers are fake | Jul 11 21:48 |
| scientes | obv. | Jul 11 21:48 |
| scientes | 1. you can't get numbers that fast | Jul 11 21:48 |
| MinceR | systemd "modules": systemctl, machinectl | Jul 11 21:48 |
| schestowitz | depends if they count indirect deaths too | Jul 11 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Every time you look there's more "modules". | Jul 11 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One tribble gets on the ship and before you know it they're everywhere. | Jul 11 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just a total mess of them that keeps multiplying. Endlessly, mindlessly. | Jul 11 21:49 |
| MinceR | it's more like gray goo | Jul 11 21:49 |
| MinceR | or replicators | Jul 11 21:49 |
| MinceR | it turns everything into itself | Jul 11 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Blob, oozing through the city. | Jul 11 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Turning all organic mass into more of itself. | Jul 11 21:50 |
| MinceR | ooze your daddy? | Jul 11 21:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's nominally "Free Software". | Jul 11 21:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "systemd has faced mixed reception from Linux users, with arguments that systemd suffers from mission creep and bloat" | Jul 11 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Don't forget bugs! Lots and lots of bugs. | Jul 11 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But who has time for those when there's more "features" to add? | Jul 11 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think RHEL kicked KDE out because systemd is breaking it and they don't want users calling them and expecting support. | Jul 11 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | From the start, it's been complete madness where systemd does something idiotic and KDE adjusts to it eventually, then it happens again. Wash, rinse, repeat. | Jul 11 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only place you should even attempt to run KDE is on a long term support distribution where the ground isn't constantly giving out from under it. | Jul 11 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When Red Hat kicked KDE out, they said that EPEL or someone could package it, and nobody ever did. | Jul 11 21:56 |
| schestowitz | i need help | Jul 11 21:56 |
| schestowitz | maybe from older folks | Jul 11 21:56 |
| schestowitz | can you point me to examples of ibm monopolisation? | Jul 11 21:56 |
| schestowitz | like names of things they abused for monopoly? | Jul 11 21:56 |
| schestowitz | it predates www | Jul 11 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think the Nazi punch card computers that kept track of the gays, Communists, and Jews was an IBM monopoly, right? | Jul 11 21:57 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Seriously, it does go way back, but Microsoft was even nastier. | Jul 11 21:58 |
| schestowitz | but it does not answer the question | Jul 11 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody who has done business with Microsoft didn't regret it, but everyone thinks they'll be the first one that doesn't get fucked over and then hung out to dry. | Jul 11 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | OS/2 was an attempt at a monopoly, if a bad one. | Jul 11 21:59 |
| superkuh | schestowitz, a helmet actually works. When you wear a mask with giant centimeter squared gaps around the nose it doesn't really. It'd be like wearing a helmet that doesn't have a top, like monk style around the head hair. | Jul 11 22:01 |
| superkuh | It'll protect your head from the sides... but most of the danger is from stuff falling from above. | Jul 11 22:02 |
| superkuh | Like how non-fit masks protect from spittle, and block your spittle, but do nothing about aerosols. | Jul 11 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs181/projects/corporate-monopolies/government_ibm.html | Jul 11 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cs.stanford.edu | Regulation of IBM | Jul 11 22:02 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/DSzSuadYzAqeTiAfagNFmzzp > | Jul 11 22:02 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, Windows 10 is a "surge of progress". Who knew? | Jul 11 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They didn't intend for the PC to be an open platform. They had their BIOS reverse engineered and then they were undercut by compatible systems. IBM is clownish. You really have to wonder how they got so much money. | Jul 11 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The disasters of the cloned BIOS and Microsoft betraying them on the OS/2 thing led to the end of their PC business. They ended up selling it for pennies on the dollar to the Chinese. It's horrible. | Jul 11 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only place I ever saw IBM OS/2 as a preinstall was at Radio Shack on some Tandy PCs. | Jul 11 22:07 |
| superkuh | My local hydroeletric dam runs OS/2. | Jul 11 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were making a big fuss about its "multimedia" capabilities. They had some Phil Collins music video playing on it. | Jul 11 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <superkuh "My local hydroeletric dam runs O"> Actual OS/2, or the eComStation? | Jul 11 22:08 |
| superkuh | I'm not sure. I was on a tour about a decade ago. We couldn't touch it, I just saw in passing. | Jul 11 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | IBM said they couldn't open source OS/2 because there's so much code in there that is copyright Microsoft. | Jul 11 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So there's no hope of that ever seeing the light of day. | Jul 11 22:09 |
| schestowitz | the comments here are good: https://lwn.net/Articles/673040/ | Jul 11 22:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Zemlin on the Linux Foundation's by-law changes [LWN.net] | Jul 11 22:10 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | eComStation is very much a legacy product that can't really be modernized. Serenity Systems managed to hack it to death to where it can run on some current hardware, and they ported the Linux JFS driver to it. | Jul 11 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That might be a GPL violation, but nobody really enforces the GPL as it pertains to Linux anyway. | Jul 11 22:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: thanks fro the linkl | Jul 11 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | yep | Jul 11 22:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | OS/2 has a variant of IFS like Windows NT does, so I suppose you could try to use the Ubuntu ZFS argument with this. | Jul 11 22:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In practice, IBM owns the copyright on that code, so maybe they granted Serenity Systems a GPL exception or something. Nobody really ever had much of an interest in the JFS module on Linux. | Jul 11 22:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can still use it, but why? | Jul 11 22:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I came across its Wikipedia article the other day and cleaned up some wikirot because I was bored. | Jul 11 22:14 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: 55k | Jul 11 22:14 |
| schestowitz | 4 hours to go | Jul 11 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not really sure JFS being inherently less CPU heavy than Ext3 was really matters anymore. Ext3 had some $50,000 toilet seats in its driver that can be corrected without changing the on disk format. | Jul 11 22:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's exactly how Ext4's driver manages it. | Jul 11 22:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It's laundry day. | Jul 11 22:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The people here look at me funny. I'm down there wearing a bunch of masks stacked up and disposable gloves. | Jul 11 22:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They walk in there no masks on, I'm dressed up like I'm bombing for roaches. | Jul 11 22:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I still haven't had the virus though, so paranoia seems to be working. | Jul 11 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Anyway, with all of these days with the virus out there going "shaboomboom!" on all the retards, it's just that much closer to where it slows down. | Jul 11 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody will like where the death toll is when it gets there though. | Jul 11 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the national average gets to where New York or New Jersey are now, that's like 600,000 dead. | Jul 11 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not even over with there. | Jul 11 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So by the time it slows down dramatically, you've officially lost about 0.2% of your population, and 90% of those people were over 50. | Jul 11 22:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Interestingly enough, each week, Trump's net approval drops some more and does not come back up. | Jul 11 22:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Could be all the old folks dying of the virus, on and off the books, not talking to the polling people. | Jul 11 22:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're starting to see Registered Voter national polls with 30,000-40,000 people sampled and Trump's not doing any better there. | Jul 11 22:22 |
| schestowitz | it damages the brain | Jul 11 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Beyond a certain sampling size, the quality of your poll isn't going to go up that much more. | Jul 11 22:22 |
| schestowitz | so maybe it means more braindead peple voting GOP | Jul 11 22:22 |
| schestowitz | because of something they saw on Faux Noise | Jul 11 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Basically if you get 500 people sampled your error margin is high. It goes down a lot if you sample 3,000 people. But not much more than 3,000 if you dial it to 10,000. | Jul 11 22:23 |
| schestowitz | remember it mutates | Jul 11 22:23 |
| schestowitz | and can come to harm young people as well | Jul 11 22:23 |
| schestowitz | also, there are indirect deaths | Jul 11 22:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That reminds me of Letterman interviewing Kermit the Frog. | Jul 11 22:23 |
| schestowitz | solitary, sadness, orphans | Jul 11 22:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He says, "Is it true that if you lick a frog you get funny thoughts?". | Jul 11 22:23 |
| schestowitz | loss of parents who are old can lead to depression among their offspring | Jul 11 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Kermit says something like, "If you're licking a frog, I don't think you're okay to begin with.". | Jul 11 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if you're even watching Fox News at this point, you were fucked in the head already. | Jul 11 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not fooling smart people into watching it. It's telling a bunch of gibbering vegetables what their talking points are for the week. | Jul 11 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's like my mom, right? | Jul 11 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "CALIFORNIA IS LETTING BABY RAPERS OUT BECAUSE OF THE VIRUS!!!" | Jul 11 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You say, "No, that's actually not what's going on. Here's who is eligible for release." | Jul 11 22:25 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jul 11 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She just starts shouting about Nancy Pelosi and Hillary's emails. | Jul 11 22:26 |
| schestowitz | yeah, usually it's non-threatening people | Jul 11 22:26 |
| schestowitz | who are in an age where they can't do harm anyway | Jul 11 22:26 |
| schestowitz | and who are a death-in-prison risk group | Jul 11 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They make fools of themselves mostly. | Jul 11 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Occasionally you get one that's demented and pulls a gun because of something Fox News told them. | Jul 11 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Old people are fucking dumb. | Jul 11 22:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're telling younger people we're ruining the world when here's what they did and look how great things are? | Jul 11 22:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Remember we had it their way in 2016 and the country got better immediately? | Jul 11 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Jul 11 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where do we go from here? Well, the Coronavirus is a mixed bag, really. | Jul 11 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's stacking these idiots about yay high and they won't be voting anymore. | Jul 11 22:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump will do considerable damage to what's left of the Illinois Republican Party. | Jul 11 22:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of this state hates his guts and would stand in line in a hail storm for 3 days if they have to in order to vote. | Jul 11 22:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that's going to be bad news for down ballot Republicans. | Jul 11 22:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that might even be enough to remove that prosecutor that went after me. | Jul 11 22:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure as hell not going to vote for him. | Jul 11 22:31 |
| schestowitz | 57k | Jul 11 22:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.zdnet.com/article/38-percent-have-recently-had-a-bill-in-collection-the-financial-industry-thinks-theyre-sick/ | Jul 11 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-38% have recently had a bill in collection. The financial industry thinks they're sick | ZDNet | Jul 11 22:45 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | 38% of Americans have recently had a bill go to collections. | Jul 11 22:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, the bill collectors send you email saying "Your account is past due because you failed to meet your obligations." or "because you broke your promise". | Jul 11 22:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got the "because you broke your promise" one from Kia. | Jul 11 22:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | In other words, "I'm going to need this for rent and I'm not going to be thrown out of my home because I let a medical bill slide." or something like that. | Jul 11 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, it just makes it a big problem for later. | Jul 11 22:48 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/CFKjgDGotVVfQxCNcBTpzPcx > | Jul 11 22:49 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, he's never actually gone to a debt collector's website. | Jul 11 22:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | While they're sending you nasty letters saying that you're basically the Great Satan for missing a Kia payment, they talk to the businesses that send them the late payments differently. | Jul 11 22:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Oh, we'll build engagement and loyalty with your difficult accounts!" | Jul 11 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, I'm usually very loyal to people who come up and say "Now listen here, you deadbeat. If you don't pay this, well we're legally not allowed to say it's bone crunching time, but we might 'pursue actions'.". | Jul 11 22:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Very engaging. | Jul 11 22:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To be sure..... Uh, here's a bankruptcy. Now you're out the money and 100,000 letters you paid postage on. Also, these soulless ghouls who keep working even when the world trade center is on fire outside the window or the Coronavirus is killing everyone. | Jul 11 22:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Part of my orientation at one of those rent to own places went "You're not allowed to have any accounts here while you're employed here.". I said, "Yeah, I imagine it would be a little awkward to be sued by your own employer over a used TV with 15,000% interest. Duly noted.". | Jul 11 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I didn't last very long there. I can't contain myself. | Jul 11 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've never been sued before actually. | Jul 11 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone I was involved with very briefly had an account there it turned out. | Jul 11 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They sued him because he did a rental contract on a Macbook and then made one payment and made off with it and didn't take it back. | Jul 11 23:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they sued him and got a judgment entered for almost $5,000. | Jul 11 23:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Through a debtor exam, they found out he was working at Wendys,, so to counter their wage garnishment (when he could have invoked an exemption on it even in Indiana...he quit his job and started dealing marijuana. | Jul 11 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they caught him doing that and arrested him and sent him to jail for three years. | Jul 11 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Never base a relationship on sex. It will not end well. | Jul 11 23:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many never stop trying to though. | Jul 11 23:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He was lucky that all they did was sue. You can turn over unpaid rental equipment that was not given back to the prosecutor to be filed as a Conversion charge. | Jul 11 23:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a Class B Misdemeanor. You could end up in jail over refusing to turn over a Macbook to Rent-A-Center. | Jul 11 23:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The reason they usually don't refer it as a criminal case is because if they have you put in jail it makes it harder for them to sue you and garnish your wages. | Jul 11 23:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By the time you get out of jail 6 months later, they'd have to find out if you got a job, sue you, get a judgment, and by that time they'd be buried alive in 1,000 people in the town that did the same thing. | Jul 11 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's much easier to put a lawyer on retention to just sue everyone in town who made off with something and sit on the judgments that you get when they don't show up to explain themselves. | Jul 11 23:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now if you think you'll get cute with them and finance a ton of stuff and then head in and file bankruptcy on it, don't count on it. If you still have the items, it's fraud and they can just file an adversarial motion, and even if the bankruptcy court were to dismiss it, they could turn it over as Conversion. | Jul 11 23:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, bankruptcy gets rid of debt, other than a creditor's securable interest in the property. | Jul 11 23:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you can't, like, file bankruptcy, throw a car loan in, and then keep the car. | Jul 11 23:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To work around that I threw the car loan in, told them about John, and said that I was abandoning my equity in the secured property. | Jul 11 23:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: That's kind of a glitch in the law. | Jul 11 23:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I still own half of John's car, but he is entirely responsible for the loan now. | Jul 11 23:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He can take the discharge notice to the state and have them remove me from the title, like I care... | Jul 11 23:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He'll have to pay them $400 for a corrected title. :) | Jul 11 23:13 |
| smnthermes | > DaemonFC[m] wrote: | Jul 11 23:14 |
| smnthermes | > Then WebExtensions finally killed it again. You can use a Gopher proxy, or you can install a non-Free "helper app" to use real Gopher. | Jul 11 23:14 |
| smnthermes | All in the name of their deceiving marketing. Firefox had content isolation before e10s, and multi-threading for performance exists. | Jul 11 23:14 |
| smnthermes | > DaemonFC[m] wrote: | Jul 11 23:16 |
| smnthermes | > I think RHEL kicked KDE out because systemd is breaking it and they don't want users calling them and expecting support. | Jul 11 23:16 |
| smnthermes | Some GNOME fans say that KDE and Qt don't follow "standards" | Jul 11 23:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Standards" (Dr. Evil quotation fingers.) | Jul 11 23:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you want to follow that logic,, the GNU coreutils and bash don't follow standards either. | Jul 11 23:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | systemd is a pile of Linux-isms. | Jul 11 23:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, Web DRM is both a standard and you're not allowed to implement it in Free Software or know how it works. | Jul 11 23:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | systemd-desktopd (GNOME) itself is a pile of Linux-isms that can't run properly with a standards-compliant init system. | Jul 11 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, I'm sure that black people will be glad to know that since Microsoft's CoC banned the word "slave" anywhere the public can see it (Big Boobs too). | Jul 11 23:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is a much bigger win than Microsoft announcing the end of their cooperation with the police. | Jul 11 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | +58,627 | Jul 11 23:31 |
| schestowitz | 700+ deaths | Jul 11 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I'm not having that weird Fedora bug with Kubuntu. | Jul 11 23:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, it's been fairly stable so far. | Jul 11 23:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm surprised there's no Firefox-ESR for Ubuntu LTS releases. | Jul 11 23:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not really interested in the latest bling anymore. I just want the CVEs to be patched up. | Jul 11 23:36 |
| schestowitz | didn't redhat/ibm drop support for kde? | Jul 11 23:37 |
| schestowitz | under the veil of the takeover news/hype? | Jul 11 23:37 |
| schestowitz | your distro likely supports kde only 'unofficially' | Jul 11 23:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | LOL! | Jul 11 23:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I grew up in a refugee camp, but now I'm living the American dream of running a business that harasses people about their medical bills! | Jul 11 23:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Very compassionately, of course. | Jul 11 23:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "your distro likely supports kde "> Canonical dropped Kubuntu support in 2012. | Jul 11 23:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It still seems to be doing okay. | Jul 11 23:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This time, they seem to have pulled in n actual Long Term Support Linux kernel from upstream. Maybe they learned their lessons about trying to support something themselves for 5 years with backports. Maybe. | Jul 11 23:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The LTS kernels can go on for a few years getting fixes from upstream, so that's got to be a huge relief. | Jul 11 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I remember Greg KH mentioning how long it was really feasible to support a kernel for, at all. As the current development branch gets out way ahead of the LTS kernel, it becomes much harder to backport patches. This is kind of an effort by companies who have hardware working on a certain kernel that won't respond well to a new series. | Jul 11 23:43 |
| psydread | I think the kernel in (K)Ubuntu LTS is rebased every 6 months now | Jul 11 23:47 |
| schestowitz | only security fixes are really needed | Jul 11 23:48 |
| schestowitz | unless the security fixes introduce new critical issues of some kind | Jul 11 23:48 |
| schestowitz | (which is rare) | Jul 11 23:48 |
| schestowitz | llike breaking the file system or bricking some hardware | Jul 11 23:49 |
| *schestowitz tries hard to recall the last time linux (kernel) had a very critical security hole | Jul 11 23:49 | |
| schestowitz | ~60k now (us covid) | Jul 11 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All the time if Linux includes Firefox, OpenSSL, and all of the packages in Debian. Which is what Microsoft calls Linux. | Jul 11 23:54 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139771 [https://pleroma.site/objects/898bd69b-1125-403e-875d-3ae1b429b19a] | Jul 11 23:55 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I'll probably just stay with LTS releases now. | Jul 11 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This laptop is old enough that newer kernels are more of a liability than an asset. | Jul 11 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't believe you _must_ update to the backport kernels in Ubuntu LTS. That's a "Hardware Enablement Stack". Newer X11 and Mesa too. You can certainly install it, but you probably shouldn't unless it brings in a very important new feature. | Jul 11 23:59 |
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