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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: many areJul 11 00:00
schestowitzrianne's dad isJul 11 00:00
MinceRthe LF deserves to sufferJul 11 00:00
DaemonFC[m]He says I make "sour spaghetti".Jul 11 00:01
schestowitzabout time, it got a lot worse after 2016Jul 11 00:01
MinceRthey sold Linux to microslothJul 11 00:01
MinceRand put crybullies in controlJul 11 00:01
schestowitzthey literally dumped community without an explanationJul 11 00:01
schestowitzblaming "Trolls" and misogynyJul 11 00:01
schestowitzthe typical trickJul 11 00:01
schestowitzas if corporate influence is the only "professional" thingJul 11 00:01
schestowitzTorvalds had already lost his voice, so he went along with itJul 11 00:02
schestowitznow he's just some guy with an email client in the CLIJul 11 00:02
schestowitzhe does no codingJul 11 00:02
schestowitzthey let him FEEL like he's still in controlJul 11 00:02
schestowitzbut his bosses are from Microsoft... about 4 or 5 of them nowJul 11 00:02
schestowitzone of whom a github COOJul 11 00:02
schestowitztaking some time of the month to commandeer Linux and LinusJul 11 00:03
schestowitzto keep them in check, so to speakJul 11 00:03
DaemonFC[m]0xBIGBOOBIES!!!!Jul 11 00:03
DaemonFC[m]Oh, and Linux is unprofessional and full of creeps!Jul 11 00:03
schestowitzthey apologised, so it's OKJul 11 00:03
schestowitzfor the shareholdersJul 11 00:03
schestowitzthe person who did this was not fired, afaikJul 11 00:03
schestowitzit's the corporate type of 'apology'Jul 11 00:03
schestowitzhand in the honey jar (or cookie)Jul 11 00:04
MinceRdoes the victim of blackmail "feel" like they're in control? :>Jul 11 00:04
schestowitzlook at linusJul 11 00:04
schestowitzI meanJul 11 00:04
schestowitzlook at himJul 11 00:04
schestowitzhis handsJul 11 00:04
schestowitzhis legsJul 11 00:04
schestowitzthinner than his arms almostJul 11 00:04
schestowitzthe face is also not looking wellJul 11 00:04
schestowitzso you know he eats junkJul 11 00:04
schestowitzand probably stopped exercisingJul 11 00:05
schestowitznot the sign of a happy person on top of things, with a strong immune systemJul 11 00:05
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "not the sign of a happy person o"> Neither am I.Jul 11 00:05
schestowitzhe looks the same age as Guido van Russom nowJul 11 00:05
schestowitzand Guido is 64 or thereaboutsJul 11 00:05
schestowitz65.5kJul 11 00:06
schestowitzit'll make it to 70k today... perhapsJul 11 00:06
schestowitzWith 2 hours left, at 225,192 #covid19 cases for the day, we already have an all-time high.Jul 11 00:07
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CrystalMathhappy 30th birthday to the EFFJul 11 00:11
schestowitzit's dead alreadyJul 11 00:13
schestowitzat 28Jul 11 00:13
schestowitzthe body has jolts.. like a dead cow bouncingJul 11 00:14
CrystalMathwhy do you think that?Jul 11 00:18
psydreadI wonder if there is anything that can be learned from this whole development other than everyone being for sale at the right priceJul 11 00:18
DaemonFC[m]Enough compromises to the enemy and you become the enemy and all that.Jul 11 00:21
psydreadfor me it's become so bad that whenever I go to some tech event and see Microsoft people I get a feeling they are JWs out there to convince me to convert to their faithJul 11 00:23
CrystalMathwhere did the EFF fail?Jul 11 00:24
schestowitz 11 00:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EFF | TechrightsJul 11 00:32
MinceRwell, microshit is a cult, so the similarity is not without reason :>Jul 11 00:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s leftovers []Jul 11 00:49
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 11/7/2020: Slackel 7.3 Openbox, Kiwi TCMS 8.5, Librem 5 Dogwood Update 3 []Jul 11 00:53
schestowitzRe: Gates as an example of PSYOPSJul 11 01:19
schestowitz> Hello, I'm a reader of Techrights. I was taking a look at some old,Jul 11 01:19
schestowitz> declassified US Army field manuals, and I came upon this example in theJul 11 01:19
schestowitz> PSYOPS Manual (FM 3-05.301). It seems they reckon Bill Gates andJul 11 01:20
schestowitz> Microsoft as expert propagandists. I think it might be interesting toJul 11 01:20
schestowitz> you and some of your readers.Jul 11 01:20
schestowitz> Jul 11 01:20
schestowitz> Keep up the good work!Jul 11 01:20
schestowitz> Jul 11 01:20
schestowitz> Best,Jul 11 01:20
schestowitzThis is indeed interesting. I will bring this up.Jul 11 01:20
DaemonFC[m] 11 03:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Goya Foods Boycott Takes Off After Bob Unanue Praises Trump - The New York TimesJul 11 03:07
DaemonFC[m]No more Goya.Jul 11 03:07
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AVRSschestowitz: hi. I guess I conflated my own developing news addiction with RMS' or your very active feed and something you or somebody else wrote. Not sure where I got the word "intoxicating"; maybe  It started being demonstrably harmful, so I am trying to unsubscribe from most of theJul 11 04:16
AVRSfeeds with bad news. That includes (the second time) most of TechRights. You need some "not everything is bad" tag for the rare posts about exceptions.Jul 11 04:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social media is intoxicating but also a threat: we need regulations | Business | The TimesJul 11 04:16
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kingoffrancewell yeah some of that psyop stuff is "we are occupying country x, success is determined whether they like us or not"Jul 11 05:39
kingoffrancewhy are you here? not an issue. wahts the plan? not a problem.  whos taking over after you leave? not a concern.          is the marketing working? this is the thread eeverything hangs onJul 11 05:40
kingoffranceis there a war going on? dont worry about it.          btw, how do you "feel" about us?Jul 11 05:41
kingoffrancedo you 'feel' safe? thats goodJul 11 05:42
kingoffrancedo you "feel" secure?  tehn you are secureJul 11 05:42
kingoffrancedo you "feel" like this is good technology?   goodJul 11 05:42
kingoffrancedoes this "feel" like open source?   are you buying the branding/image?  Jul 11 05:44
kingoffrancecatch 22: just write good things about usJul 11 05:45
kingoffrancethe parallels never endJul 11 05:46
kingoffrancewhether domestic or abroad, i think that is the civilian-targetting psyops:  the point is try to make people pretend they like us, or at least sell that image that "the people" are on your sideJul 11 05:51
kingoffrancems loves linux, they are on the side of "the people" nowJul 11 05:52
schestowitzI have an image, screenshot for thatJul 11 05:55
schestowitzI will post about it laterJul 11 05:55
kingoffrancebut ppl cant eat cotton milo! theyll get sick.             milo: they have to! its for the good of the syndicate!Jul 11 06:00
kingoffrancehave you even tried this stuff?            milo: i did, it make me sickJul 11 06:01
kingoffrances/make/made/Jul 11 06:01
schestowitzlolJul 11 06:02
kingoffranceif you ever are lacking sources of images, catch 22 movie screengrabs is probably rich with untapped potentialJul 11 06:03
schestowitzI have an image, but can add moreJul 11 06:10
DaemonFC[m] 11 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple Warns Against Closing MacBooks With a Cover Over the Camera - MacRumorsJul 11 06:10
schestowitzwould the screengrabs alone do?Jul 11 06:10
schestowitzno subtitles or anything?Jul 11 06:10
DaemonFC[m]You're closing it wrong.Jul 11 06:10
schestowitzlolJul 11 06:10
schestowitznice oneJul 11 06:10
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: record smashedJul 11 06:11
schestowitzby 10k Jul 11 06:11
DaemonFC[m]I gave up trying to figure out swapfile on btrfs.Jul 11 06:11
schestowitzlate on a fridayJul 11 06:11
schestowitz100k not far away nowJul 11 06:12
schestowitzactive cases in the US now 35% of the world'sJul 11 06:12
DaemonFC[m]Good. Fuck em.Jul 11 06:12
schestowitzthe known ones anywayJul 11 06:12
DaemonFC[m]Die.Jul 11 06:12
schestowitz 11 06:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-At least 8 Mississippi lawmakers test positive for COVID-19 | National | gazette.comJul 11 06:12
schestowitzGOPJul 11 06:12
schestowitzyou don't need to hang them off a tree if you can just make them dumb enough to not wear a maskJul 11 06:13
schestowitzor work from a distanceJul 11 06:13
schestowitzprior to thursday I had stayed home for 2 weeksJul 11 06:13
schestowitzthe longest ever period, by far..Jul 11 06:13
schestowitzand I hardly even noticed, though living the house felt a tad odd, like leaving a cellJul 11 06:13
schestowitzBTW, the sinuses thing? It's gone. It was nothing. I feel 100% well now.Jul 11 06:14
DaemonFC[m]Yeah. I'm feeling more like Al Bundy meets Pablo Escobar all the time these days.Jul 11 06:14
schestowitzed onealJul 11 06:14
schestowitzhe vanishedJul 11 06:14
schestowitzhe showed up in a few movies/shows afterwards, then nothingJul 11 06:15
schestowitzOver capacity now 11 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Colorado potentially willing to take Arizona coronavirus patients, Polis says | Colorado Springs News | gazette.comJul 11 06:16
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz I had to explain when I told Mandy that no good deed goes unpunished.Jul 11 06:20
DaemonFC[m]It seems to escape a lot of people that an act of kindness backfires on them somewhere down the line.Jul 11 06:24
DaemonFC[m]Okay, I'm in Kubuntu 20.04.Jul 11 06:53
DaemonFC[m]Grub does understand Zstandard on BtrFS, so you don't really need a separate /boot.Jul 11 06:53
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oiaohm    Fun problem.Jul 11 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple advises against MacBook camera covers due to display cracking | AppleinsiderJul 11 13:59
MinceRlolJul 11 14:05
MinceRyeah, just let the nsa watch youJul 11 14:06
MinceRor buy a laptop that wasn't made from shitJul 11 14:06
XRevan86> Placing a cover, sticker or tape over a laptop camera is a practice adopted by some privacy- and security-conscious individuals to protect against webcam hijackingJul 11 14:06
XRevan86Why would those people buy a macbook?Jul 11 14:06
MinceRexactlyJul 11 14:08
XRevan86Maybe they're one of those misguided folk who think that Apple is a privacy-centric company.Jul 11 14:11
XRevan86Compared to Facebook?Jul 11 14:11
MinceRmaybe compared to the nsaJul 11 14:20
XRevan86MinceR: That's not a company.Jul 11 14:20
kingoffrancethats right. the company is ciaJul 11 14:21
XRevan86BestVPN sent ldavg a follow-up on their bullshit -_-Jul 11 14:22
kingoffrancethings ive been called on freenode:  cia n-word, mossad, and illuminist philosopher-kingJul 11 14:22
kingoffrancenow these cant all be trueJul 11 14:22
XRevan86Don't they have better things to do?Jul 11 14:22
MinceRmaybe in their dream world they canJul 11 14:22
XRevan86kingoffrance: Terry Davis was on Freenode?Jul 11 14:23
kingoffranceim not sure i understand, i dunno, i dont get the obsession with himJul 11 14:24
kingoffrancebut then again, i didnt have 64-bit stuff forever, so havent tried his osJul 11 14:24
XRevan86kingoffrance: It's not about his OS but about his blog.Jul 11 14:25
kingoffrancei thought it was tongue-in-cheek, but then he led ppl on i guessJul 11 14:25
kingoffrancehard to sayJul 11 14:25
MinceRsome people enjoy rebooting so they want everything to run in ring 0Jul 11 14:25
XRevan86kingoffrance: He didn't have everyone home you know.Jul 11 14:25
kingoffranceyeahJul 11 14:25
kingoffranceif you counsel someone and they die (parents who murdered kids cuz tehy were zombies) you are a bad exorcist.    if you jump in front of a train, youre a bad prophet.     (not knocking mental illness, just saying)Jul 11 14:26
kingoffranceoh yeah he would rant about ciaJul 11 14:27
kingoffrancelolJul 11 14:27
kingoffrancei dunno why, whatever system programming he did, was he ever likely to interact with anyone?  i dont know where he got that fromJul 11 14:27
XRevan86kingoffrance: G-d told himJul 11 14:27
kingoffrancelolJul 11 14:27
kingoffrancethats supposed to be mit anyways -- did he ever go there even?Jul 11 14:28
XRevan86I remember his blogpost about Irish partisans who fought CIA n-words. I wonder if those Irish partisans existed at least in some way %)Jul 11 14:29
kingoffrancei guess i wasnt folowing him when he was around, only heard about him years laterJul 11 14:29
MinceRbut did those cia n-words glow in the dark?Jul 11 14:29
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XRevan86kingoffrance: I also haven't, I was just looking TempleOS up, and that popped up.Jul 11 14:30
XRevan86MinceR: Apparently.Jul 11 14:31
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kingoffrancei guess ppl hate modern os so muchJul 11 14:33
kingoffrancethey are willing to give such things a shotJul 11 14:33
kingoffrancei cant blame them thereJul 11 14:33
XRevan86kingoffrance: I think stuff like MenuetOS is a lot more interesting.Jul 11 14:34
kingoffrancemostly his "holy c" what i read i didnt see anything i really cared forJul 11 14:35
kingoffranceso why break back-compat for things i didnt see any value in?Jul 11 14:36
kingoffrancerest of os, i dunnoJul 11 14:36
XRevan86kingoffrance: Don't expect sane design choices there.Jul 11 14:36
kingoffrancelolJul 11 14:36
kingoffrancewell im not sane, but i care about back-compatJul 11 14:36
XRevan86kingoffrance: Did G-d tell you to maintain back-compat?Jul 11 14:37
kingoffrancei geuss to me, if you dont care about back-compat, why care about c?Jul 11 14:37
MinceRit probably doesn't have anything to do with c eitherJul 11 14:37
kingoffranceand again, if you dont care about posix -- why care about cJul 11 14:37
kingoffrance:) what i mean is, i always thought you have a solid base to build on.  so, you need something stable to build your crazy new thing on top of IMOJul 11 14:38
kingoffranceyou need a stable solid edge to bleed on IMOJul 11 14:38
XRevan86kingoffrance: You know the answer already.Jul 11 14:38
XRevan86kingoffrance: Because G-d told him to.Jul 11 14:39
XRevan86And because then it's possible to pun "Holy See"Jul 11 14:40
XRevan86isn't that reason enough?Jul 11 14:40
kingoffranceyeah....thats just......cathedral != templeJul 11 14:40
kingoffrancethats all kinds of insanity IMOJul 11 14:40
XRevan86 hehJul 11 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - jamesalbert/HolyC-for-Linux: run HolyC on Linux secularlyJul 11 14:41
kingoffrancelol Jul 11 14:41
kingoffrancewell there is a guy doing catholicus ...a universal language, but havent seen him latelyJul 11 14:41
kingoffrancenot my thing, but curious what he comes up withJul 11 14:41
kingoffrancehe has too much "reason" for my tastesJul 11 14:42
XRevan86kingoffrance: Universal language? What?Jul 11 14:42
kingoffrancei dunno, googleJul 11 14:42
kingoffrancehe sometimes hangs around proglangdesignJul 11 14:42
XRevan86Good luck, I guess.Jul 11 14:42
kingoffrancewell its just another utf to me :)Jul 11 14:43
kingoffrancei see the pointJul 11 14:43
kingoffrancemy (hobby, not work) tastes go elsewehreJul 11 14:43
XRevan86At least not another metaprog, hehJul 11 14:44
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MinceRIf you hold a Unix shell to your ear, can you hear the C?Jul 11 15:08
XRevan86MinceR: :)Jul 11 15:08
DaemonFC[m]I gave up figuring out how to do a swap on btrfs properly and just made an 8 GB partition like Fedora did.Jul 11 15:34
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't get used much anyway but I have seen it happen.Jul 11 15:35
DaemonFC[m] 11 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Americans are rapidly shrinking their credit card debt during the pandemic - CNNJul 11 15:37
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: 11 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | linux - How to create swapfile on ssd disk with btrfs - Super UserJul 11 15:37
DaemonFC[m]The Fed reports debt going up or down. Not why it did that.Jul 11 15:38
DaemonFC[m]Bankruptcy got rid of a lot of it for me.Jul 11 15:38
DaemonFC[m]You beed to make a new subvolume for the swap an mount it there, disable compression and COW, and then activate it and add it to fstab.Jul 11 15:39
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I don't see why a new subvolume is needed.Jul 11 15:39
DaemonFC[m]If you just make one on an existing subvolume, you cannot snapshot that one anymore.Jul 11 15:40
XRevan86Ah %)Jul 11 15:40
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Yea, makes sense.Jul 11 15:40
DaemonFC[m]Snapshots are interesting. The first one doesn't take any space because it just makes a note of the state, so the existing layout is the snapshot.Jul 11 15:41
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: It is copy-on-write, so only difference takes space.Jul 11 15:41
DaemonFC[m]Then the next ones figure out the delta between the oldest one and that one and store the difference.Jul 11 15:41
XRevan86duperemove can work with XFS, I should try it outJul 11 15:48
schestowitz 11 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Roger Stone: Trump spares ex-adviser from prison, sparking critics' anger - BBC NewsJul 11 15:49
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DaemonFC[m]It's interesting that Ubuntu defaults include ssd as a mount option and Fedora doesn't.Jul 11 15:55
DaemonFC[m] 11 16:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.8 Formally Adds The Inclusive Terminology Guidelines - PhoronixJul 11 16:27
*XRevan86 released 37G on localhost. Neat.Jul 11 16:28
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure that 0xBIGBOOBS-soft in Redmond approves.Jul 11 16:29
DaemonFC[m] 11 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux adds inclusive terminology guidelines : linuxJul 11 16:35
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Jul 11 16:35
DaemonFC[m] 11 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | comment : ProgrammerHumorJul 11 16:48
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Jul 11 16:48
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Added about Edge: (We used to call this "hijacker malware", but when the enemy is the OS vendor you will lose. Plus, they'll pay off the media to spin doctor it.)Jul 11 16:51
schestowitzyes, the language thing is a bit of a distractionJul 11 16:51
schestowitzit's being led by an intel employee who puts TPM (!) inside LinuxJul 11 16:52
*XRevan86 is tired of the "language defines thought" bullcrap.Jul 11 16:54
schestowitzPutin is a fuckwitJul 11 16:54
schestowitzand a pussyJul 11 16:54
*schestowitz now based in MoscowJul 11 16:54
XRevan86He'd drawn a pussyJul 11 16:54
schestowitzsorry, I was only joking, I was drunk...Jul 11 16:55
DaemonFC[m]It's a race to see whether Windows will be secure before Bill Gates cures AIDS and saves the world from Climate Change.Jul 11 16:55
DaemonFC[m]"Over and over again, forever, with no actual results. That doesn't matter. Just pay the 'media' again."Jul 11 16:55
XRevan86 11 16:55
DaemonFC[m]Anyone who doesn't like the diagram is spreading illegal homosexual propaganda.Jul 11 16:55
schestowitzlolJul 11 16:56
DaemonFC[m]"Nobody wants to interfere with them as they live their lives!" -PutinJul 11 16:56
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: media that writes for him kills its own credibilityJul 11 16:56
XRevan86except ChechensJul 11 16:56
schestowitzsometims belatedlyJul 11 16:56
DaemonFC[m]Rams through a bunch more laws that make it illegal to be gayJul 11 16:56
schestowitzwhen people find out where the money came fromJul 11 16:56
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Putin forgot that homophobic sentiments were used in a campaign for his terms reset.Jul 11 16:57
DaemonFC[m]<XRevan86 "except Chechens"> I think the solution to that is to just carpet bomb them. I have no idea why Russia wants it with the current occupants.Jul 11 16:57
XRevan86eons ago, a whole week agoJul 11 16:57
DaemonFC[m]<XRevan86 "eons ago, a whole week ago"> He evolves.Jul 11 16:58
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Uh, I'll choose to ignore that.Jul 11 16:58
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I am writing something related to this right now... draft stillJul 11 16:58
DaemonFC[m]Much faster than American politicians who were anti-gay and then "evolved" after the Supreme Court deleted everything they supported a couple years before.Jul 11 16:58
schestowitzThe Internet Archive Doesn't Forget, Whereas the Internet and the Web Forget Very FastJul 11 16:58
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "The Internet Archive Doesn't For"> robots.txt can fix thatJul 11 16:59
DaemonFC[m]retroactivelyJul 11 16:59
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: He didn't evolve, he goes the usual "deny everything" route.Jul 11 16:59
XRevan86even if it's in the open, you're only guilty if you say you areJul 11 16:59
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Trump does that too.Jul 11 16:59
DaemonFC[m]Holds up a rainbow flag and then kicks trans people out of the military and knocks LGBT healthcare out of Medicare and the ACA.Jul 11 17:00
schestowitztrumputin rasputinJul 11 17:00
XRevan86Pieskov commented the HBO's video on Chechña with the usual "we didn't see it"Jul 11 17:00
DaemonFC[m]Takes credit for Gilead dumping millions of bottles of Truvada on the market to prevent any competitors from cloning it.Jul 11 17:00
XRevan86and then with "tell us if you want us to postpone everything and go want that film"Jul 11 17:01
DaemonFC[m]Calls it the Trump plan to eliminate HIV.Jul 11 17:01
XRevan86* go watch thatJul 11 17:01
DaemonFC[m]If he gets a second term I think we'll see his plan to wipe out HIV.Jul 11 17:01
DaemonFC[m]It has camps and special uniforms.Jul 11 17:01
DaemonFC[m]You'll love it. Trust him.Jul 11 17:01
DaemonFC[m]He;s already a lame duck.Jul 11 17:02
DaemonFC[m]If he figured he had a shot of winning the election, he'd delay the pardon of Roger Stone for a few months and do it then.Jul 11 17:02
DaemonFC[m]He's moved on to "Do as much damage on the way out as possible.".Jul 11 17:02
DaemonFC[m]The people who are horrified of Trump already hate his guts and the people who would vote for him again if he shot someone on 5th Ave. aren't going anywhere.Jul 11 17:03
DaemonFC[m]So he can do whatever he wants.Jul 11 17:03
XRevan86 something tells me Putin didn't see that comingJul 11 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEJul 11 17:04
XRevan86A lot of arrests since 4th of JulyJul 11 17:04
schestowitzI noticedJul 11 17:07
DaemonFC[m]The state must protect the good and decent people from the filthy savages.Jul 11 17:10
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: From political opposition?Jul 11 17:10
DaemonFC[m]They're barely citizens anyway and have less rights even though the state swears up and down that we're all equal.Jul 11 17:10
DaemonFC[m]In the US, the "filthy second class citizens who have no rights" are basically people without enough money to defend themselves from the accusation that they've committed some crime.Jul 11 17:11
XRevan86What a truly wonderful year 2020 is, the US and Russia keep jumping the sharkJul 11 17:11
DaemonFC[m]The state comes down 10 time harder on people with no money and then sets them up so that they can't even get an apartment or job or move past it, even if it was a misdemeanor.Jul 11 17:11
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Mom was talking about someone who got busted for child porn. I said, "Well, he'll get 60,000 years in prison unless he's rich, then he'll essentially get Pablo Escobar treatment where he gets to decide what prison is.Jul 11 17:13
XRevan86In Putin's Russia when a case goes to court, "not guilty" are extremely unlikely words to hear.Jul 11 17:13
DaemonFC[m]Being rich might not get you out of trouble completely. But it'll get you 90% of the way there all by itself.Jul 11 17:13
XRevan86A case is considered "won" when the sentence is soft.Jul 11 17:14
DaemonFC[m]The Affluenza Defense in Texas for example.Jul 11 17:14
schestowitzXRevan86: 2036Jul 11 17:14
DaemonFC[m]"Oh this teenager is so rich that yeah he got drunk and killed some people, but prison would just be too cruel!"Jul 11 17:14
schestowitzivanka will carry the batonJul 11 17:14
XRevan86schestowitz: Two years before 2038Jul 11 17:14
schestowitzto carry on with the family's geniusJul 11 17:14
schestowitzand price JaredJul 11 17:14
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DaemonFC[m]So they let him out and he can't even be bothered to comply with some probation.Jul 11 17:14
schestowitzFirst GentlemanJul 11 17:15
DaemonFC[m]They have to ask Mexico to extradite himJul 11 17:15
XRevan86Would've been funny if those dates matched.Jul 11 17:15
schestowitzXRevan86: then he'll use unix clock to turn things back againJul 11 17:15
XRevan86Putin's terms ended and so did the 32-bit unix epochJul 11 17:15
DaemonFC[m]It just goes on and on because nobody will bring the hammer down because of his family's money.Jul 11 17:15
DaemonFC[m]If you had a black guy who was an electrician who decided to get drunk and managed to cause a car crash that killed 3 people, guess what happens when that gets to court with a public defender.Jul 11 17:16
DaemonFC[m]They're going to throw the book, then the book shelf, then the library. Brick by brickJul 11 17:16
XRevan86schestowitz: He should write that the edge date of his terms should be written in MariaDB in a column of the TIMESTAMP type.Jul 11 17:17
DaemonFC[m]The Linux kernel' new CoC is the product of SJWs who voted for Jill Stein or something.Jul 11 17:17
XRevan86And if he's still eligible should be determined by a difference between CURRENT_DATE and that columnJul 11 17:18
DaemonFC[m]Who are a bunch of fucking retards who think they're changing things.Jul 11 17:18
DaemonFC[m]If we call it a denylist instead of a blacklist, maybe breaking userspace in the process, it means that the cops will stop choking black people tomorrow!Jul 11 17:19
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I'm curious as to what blackmail will now be calledJul 11 17:21
DaemonFC[m]africanamericanmailJul 11 17:22
XRevan86denymailJul 11 17:23
DaemonFC[m]Did you just assume my gender-mail. Jul 11 17:23
XRevan86maybe badmailJul 11 17:23
XRevan86And yes, they really do want to remove anything negative that has the word "black" in it.Jul 11 17:27
XRevan86Because humans can into context no more.Jul 11 17:27
XRevan86Instead of "black sheep" say "white crow".Jul 11 17:28
*XRevan86 probably shouldn't give ideas.Jul 11 17:29
DaemonFC[m]You can't say white either.Jul 11 17:32
DaemonFC[m]It might be interpreted as good because it has white in it.Jul 11 17:32
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: This is a negative connotation, so it's fine.Jul 11 17:32
DaemonFC[m] 11 17:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | MPV Devs Consider Blocking MPV From Running On Gnome - PeerTube UK ✊🏿Jul 11 17:38
superkuh... what a headline.Jul 11 17:38
superkuhDoesn't seem to match reality.Jul 11 17:39
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights []Jul 11 17:39
XRevan86They blocked and then unblocked.Jul 11 17:39
XRevan86with a bizarre commit messageJul 11 17:39
DaemonFC[m]Wonder what that's about.Jul 11 17:40
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Apparently that GNOME doesn't support xdg extensions for SSDJul 11 17:40
superkuhgnome doesn't want to implement some notifications/etc interface that kde and other DE have.Jul 11 17:40
XRevan86Wayland stuffJul 11 17:40
superkuhAs long as the real gnome (MATE) does it's fine.Jul 11 17:41
XRevan86 11 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Warn if on GNOME · mpv-player/mpv@cdaa496 · GitHubJul 11 17:41
DaemonFC[m]I finally got pissed off enough with GNOME to just get rid of it.Jul 11 17:43
DaemonFC[m]Then I tried Fedora with KDE and found out that some of the underlying OS stuff was actually stopping KDE from working properly.Jul 11 17:43
schestowitzI saw some rants about iy latelyJul 11 17:43
DaemonFC[m]This is embarrassing.Jul 11 17:43
schestowitzI thought they had removed the idiotic part of their pageJul 11 17:44
schestowitzturned out they did not, just issued some vague clarificationJul 11 17:44
DaemonFC[m]So I hopped on over to Kubuntu 20.04. It's working out well so far.Jul 11 17:44
DaemonFC[m]So right at the moment it's a Kubuntu 20.04 on BtrFS setup.Jul 11 17:44
DaemonFC[m]Assuming I don't find fucking stupid bugs going on here that are just too awful to live with, I'll probably put down roots. :PJul 11 17:45
DaemonFC[m]Something that causes window dragging to be horrible on a modern computer should have been noticed on GNOME right away, but so should Clocks taking up more CPU time than encoding WavPack files.Jul 11 17:46
DaemonFC[m]I just no longer trust GNOME to do even simple things properly, so it kind of makes me wonder what else is going wrong or will soon.Jul 11 17:46
DaemonFC[m]They did some "code refactoring" in 3.34 and broke stuff that had been working before.Jul 11 17:47
DaemonFC[m]Turns out "code refactoring" that causes more bugs is just fine.Jul 11 17:47
DaemonFC[m]That's not something I want to deal with.Jul 11 17:48
DaemonFC[m]I get that mass cleanups happen, but they should probably do it in stages and with small enough increments that they can see if the new code is working properly before going further. Jul 11 17:49
DaemonFC[m]A cleanup that makes something prettier to look at that breaks window dragging is not better for the end user.Jul 11 17:49
DaemonFC[m]Also, Peertube got after me for disabling Javascript in general.Jul 11 17:50
DaemonFC[m]"There are many reasons to disable Javascript.".Jul 11 17:50
DaemonFC[m]Yes, because almost every use of it on the modern web is malware to some extent an I want as little as possible to make the site work.Jul 11 17:50
DaemonFC[m]Every browser attempt to sandbox it has failed to do so, and they're far more concerned with adding APIs that make user tracking easier than they are at fixing their sandboxing.Jul 11 17:52
DaemonFC[m]Mostly what it does to news articles is let them autoplay videos, disable mouse buttons, and load paywalls. That's not great for me.Jul 11 17:52
DaemonFC[m]Speaking of which....Jul 11 17:53
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I ran into a retrospective article on Starship Troopers and how it was about 20 years ahead of its time.Jul 11 17:54
MinceRthe novel or the movie?Jul 11 17:55
DaemonFC[m]Now we find ourselves watching the police deal with every problem with horrible violence and trying to beat a stupid virus into submission in terms of violence which have no effect on it.Jul 11 17:55
DaemonFC[m]The movie.Jul 11 17:55
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MinceR 11 18:15
superkuhDo you want to know more?Jul 11 18:15
MinceRyeah, it's an awesome movieJul 11 18:15
superkuhMhm. Just not the cut down for TV version. Gotta watch the full thing.Jul 11 18:15
DaemonFC[m]The rotting Windows XP compatibility crap that foobar2000 dropped made it run much better in Wine.Jul 11 18:24
MinceRah, good old Windows Xeroderma PigmentosumJul 11 18:24
DaemonFC[m]Windows 7 with an SSE2 processor is the minimum now.Jul 11 18:29
DaemonFC[m]Someone made a Snap package with foobar2000 in Wine.Jul 11 18:30
DaemonFC[m]I'm like "Why?".Jul 11 18:30
MinceRlolJul 11 18:34
superkuhLife is an infinite regression of nested complexity. Nice to see software following suite.Jul 11 18:36
DaemonFC[m] 11 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CHANGES · master · Xiph.Org / Vorbis · GitLabJul 11 18:36
DaemonFC[m]Vorbis 1.3.7 quietly released.Jul 11 18:36
CrystalMathMinceR: btw, linus merged a patch with guidelines saying we shouldn't use the words master and slave, nor whitelist and blacklistJul 11 18:41
CrystalMathMinceR: since you're pro-biden, i assume you support this, right?Jul 11 18:43
MinceRnoJul 11 18:45
CrystalMaththen you might want to reconsider your affiliation, Joe Biden kneels in front of BLMJul 11 18:45
MinceRmy affiliation remains "neither", thenJul 11 18:45
MinceRalso, what does BLM have to do with crybullies?Jul 11 18:46
CrystalMathBLM started the discussion about master/slave and whitelist/blacklistJul 11 18:46
MinceRand for that matter, what does biden have to do with crybullies?Jul 11 18:46
MinceR[citation needed]Jul 11 18:46
CrystalMathit'Jul 11 18:46
CrystalMathit's on wikipediaJul 11 18:46
MinceRwhich article?Jul 11 18:46
CrystalMathreference 7 isJul 11 18:46
CrystalMath 11 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts - CNETJul 11 18:47
CrystalMathyou wanted a citation :)Jul 11 18:47
MinceRinterestingJul 11 18:47
CrystalMathidk what to do with graylist, it will upset aliensJul 11 18:48
MinceRit will upset people in the UKJul 11 18:48
MinceRwhile greylist will upset people in north americaJul 11 18:48
XRevan86MinceR: You're being insensitive towards Canadians right now.Jul 11 18:49
MinceR:>Jul 11 18:50
MinceR 11 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Master/slave (technology) - WikipediaJul 11 18:56
MinceRthe crybully bullshittery against these terms was already going on in 2003, before BLM warmed it up againJul 11 18:56
MinceR 11 18:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Joe Biden Created the Culture He Is a Target Of - POLITICO MagazineJul 11 18:57
MinceRit even predates biden's vice presidencyJul 11 18:58
MinceRuhmerica is so fuckedJul 11 18:59
*DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_20200711_125859.png (266KB) < >Jul 11 19:00
MinceR:)Jul 11 19:00
XRevan86 11 19:02
cybrNautGemini needs content.  schestowitz- wouldn't be a good candidate? 11 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Project Gemini FAQJul 11 19:02
XRevan86(not as good as Depeche Mode admittedly)Jul 11 19:02
MinceRi wonder if crybullies will also go after "remaster"Jul 11 19:03
*XRevan86 faintsJul 11 19:03
MinceRi've got Master of Puppets on my playlist but also several "remastered" versions of stuffJul 11 19:03
MinceRoh, also Masters of the Universe by Juno ReactorJul 11 19:03
DaemonFC[m]I think you mean primaries of the universe.Jul 11 19:04
MinceRlolJul 11 19:04
DaemonFC[m]Followed by the somewhat less successful secondaries/dependents. Jul 11 19:04
MinceRreplicasJul 11 19:04
XRevan86"Black Sheep of the Family"Jul 11 19:05
*XRevan86 blacks outJul 11 19:05
MinceR> world war 3 will be fought between BLM and BDSM. Because people who are into bondage are not likely to cave in and stop using the words "master" and "slave"Jul 11 19:06
DaemonFC[m]Comedy Central has been playing the episodes with Mr. Slave a lot more lately.Jul 11 19:06
DaemonFC[m]With South Park.Jul 11 19:06
MinceR:>Jul 11 19:06
DaemonFC[m]They're picking these episodes out of their back catalog to troll people.Jul 11 19:07
MinceRgoodJul 11 19:07
DaemonFC[m]"In 2012, after feminist Anita Sarkeesian started a Kickstarter campaign to fund a series of YouTube videos chronicling misogyny in video games, she received bomb threats at speaking engagements, doxxing threats, rape threats and an unwanted starring role in a video game called Beat Up Anita Sarkeesian."Jul 11 19:14
DaemonFC[m]LOLJul 11 19:14
MinceR:)Jul 11 19:14
DaemonFC[m]I think that trolling happens because we're forced to be nice to people we can't stand every day and then need to purge ourselves of that.Jul 11 19:15
MinceRit can also be funJul 11 19:16
MinceRand sometimes it's a way to get rid of peopleJul 11 19:16
schestowitzcybrNaut: yes, but what would be required?Jul 11 19:17
DaemonFC[m] 11 19:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Anita Sarkeesian - WikipediaJul 11 19:17
DaemonFC[m]I wonder how much of that was just get on Tor and troll yourself to draw attention.Jul 11 19:19
DaemonFC[m]I mean it's what I would do. The trolling would then be against the people who were so mad at the "trolling" that they got on my Kickstarter and paid me money.Jul 11 19:19
DaemonFC[m]There's probably a lot of Jussie Smollets out there and few get caught.Jul 11 19:20
DaemonFC[m]He was mad about not getting as much money for a TV role as he wanted and thought that staging an attack by "Trump supporters" who "shouted racist and anti-gay things" would draw attention to him and get him better roles. Jul 11 19:21
MinceR 11 19:21
DaemonFC[m]So Chicago spent over a million dollars investigating it as a hate crime and found out that they were being played.Jul 11 19:21
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: There goes the shopping bag tax money.Jul 11 19:22
DaemonFC[m]Guess we'll just need another tax.Jul 11 19:22
DaemonFC[m]Then there's rich people trolling the bankruptcy courts and gloating about it while the bankruptcy goes through and somehow they're still rich.Jul 11 19:23
DaemonFC[m]Like Trump, or the CEO of Penneys.Jul 11 19:23
DaemonFC[m]For the rich, bankruptcy court is basically just a place to go when you use things and then don't want to pay even though you have plenty of money.Jul 11 19:24
DaemonFC[m]It's like taxes.Jul 11 19:26
DaemonFC[m]They don't want to pay the taxes so they hire lawyers and lobbyists and then there's no taxes.Jul 11 19:26
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: This SJW crap is an outrage, but there are so many that are worse than that....Jul 11 19:27
MinceRlike what?Jul 11 19:27
DaemonFC[m]Well, like the political correctness is vomit inducing, but what do you do? Trump is the reaction?Jul 11 19:28
DaemonFC[m]The guy who cheats his taxes and then walks away from all his bills?Jul 11 19:28
MinceREXTERMINATEJul 11 19:28
MinceRmy reaction would be to abolish the stateJul 11 19:28
DaemonFC[m]If only.Jul 11 19:29
DaemonFC[m]Take all your money and then tells you how much of it you can have back as shitty health care and possibly food stamps.Jul 11 19:29
DaemonFC[m]On welfare because they took a third of your money.Jul 11 19:30
DaemonFC[m]So instead of taking less of your money they just hire paper pushers to decide how muxh you can have back and what you will do with it.Jul 11 19:30
cybrNautschestowitz: i imagine offering Gemini service entails setting up another server.  I've not done it myself so I don't really know what's involved.  I just thought considering the whole objective of Techrights it would make a proper statement and show commitment to the sites own advocacy if it had a Gemini server.  And it might get more notice too, since Gemini is apparently small.Jul 11 19:31
DaemonFC[m] 11 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Zoë Quinn - WikipediaJul 11 19:32
DaemonFC[m]Zoë Tiberius Quinn[1] (born 1987) is an American video game developer, programmer, and writer. They[a] developed the interactive fiction game Depression Quest, which was released in 2013.Jul 11 19:32
DaemonFC[m]They.....Jul 11 19:32
DaemonFC[m]SJWs corrupting Wikipedia to legitimize their attack on the English language.Jul 11 19:33
MinceRthey is grammatically correct third person singular of indeterminate genderJul 11 19:33
MinceRand has been for quite some time :>Jul 11 19:33
DaemonFC[m]"This article is protected to promote compliance."Jul 11 19:33
DaemonFC[m]"A favorite of theirs"Jul 11 19:34
DaemonFC[m]Well, we know what she is.Jul 11 19:34
DaemonFC[m]A self-loathing gender-confused woman.Jul 11 19:34
DaemonFC[m]Apparently....Jul 11 19:34
DaemonFC[m]"They" even created a video game about depression.Jul 11 19:35
DaemonFC[m]"The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline receives part of the proceeds."Jul 11 19:35
DaemonFC[m]Awesome sauce. So that they can dox people who call it and send cops.Jul 11 19:35
DaemonFC[m]"A portion of each copy sold goes to having the police say 'fuck it' and executing a mentally ill person who called the suicide line!"Jul 11 19:36
MinceRwhat did you expect from wikipedia, though?Jul 11 19:37
schestowitzcybrNaut: who uses it? Geeks? Free software ones?Jul 11 19:38
MinceRit's been a battleground for political cliques for agesJul 11 19:38
DaemonFC[m]This is an immersive opportunity to enter the world of mental healthcare, assuming you survive the "police encounter", where you will be strapped to a bed and whacked up with Haldol so you'll sleep until the "hospital" can legally dump you out onto the street!Jul 11 19:38
schestowitzif not many FS people are on it, the demand for TR over this protocol would be lowJul 11 19:38
schestowitzI'm all for replacing http/wwwJul 11 19:38
MinceRwhat would you replace http with?Jul 11 19:39
MinceRand why?Jul 11 19:39
schestowitzsomething that isJul 11 19:39
DaemonFC[m]I'd argue that most suicide attempt survivors do not try it again after that because of what the state puts them through.Jul 11 19:39
schestowitz1) possibly p2pJul 11 19:39
schestowitz2) more robust against ddosJul 11 19:39
schestowitz3) anonymity better protectedJul 11 19:39
schestowitz4) does not encourage bloatJul 11 19:40
schestowitz5) no DRM/EMEJul 11 19:40
schestowitz...Jul 11 19:40
MinceRicJul 11 19:40
MinceREME is not part of HTTP, afaikJul 11 19:40
schestowitzwe need to start >somewhere<Jul 11 19:40
schestowitzwww has near monopolyJul 11 19:40
cybrNautschestowitz: in principle Gemini would be used by anyone who finds the current web disturbing (the tracking and the j/s, popups, things that make websites shitty).  I don't know the demographic; it's probably too new to know.Jul 11 19:40
MinceRHTTP over Tor could help somewhatJul 11 19:40
schestowitzgopher is too primitiveJul 11 19:40
MinceRsomething non-web could be built on top of httpJul 11 19:40
schestowitzthere's the transport layer and the presentation layer, nothing inherently wrong with sgml/xhtmlJul 11 19:40
schestowitztor/onion is dodgy to meJul 11 19:41
cybrNautthe demand is controlled by the content available.  If you stand up a Gemini server, you add to the content which then helps increase the demandJul 11 19:41
schestowitzbecause of some things about the tor project people and its originJul 11 19:41
schestowitzneed another browser for it, right?Jul 11 19:42
schestowitzare they FS browsers?Jul 11 19:42
schestowitzand in repos?Jul 11 19:42
schestowitzFF uses to do gopher iircJul 11 19:42
MinceRtry i2p, thenJul 11 19:43
cybrNauti'm not sure gopher has any graphical features, so i'm not sure if anything is lost by using lynx or the like on gopher instead of a GUI browserJul 11 19:43
cybrNauti recently used lynx to reach a gopher site, and cURL worked as wellJul 11 19:44
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cybrNautthe links were dark blue on black iirc, so it wasn't prettyJul 11 19:45
DaemonFC[m]Tim Berners-Lee appears to agree with Apple.Jul 11 19:47
DaemonFC[m]He didn't want porn on the web, but DRM is terrific.Jul 11 19:48
MinceR(cat) (audio:unimportant) 11 19:48
DaemonFC[m]DRM is much more corrosive to a free society than porn ever could be. Jul 11 19:48
psydroidTim-Berners Lee sold out a long time ago, he's part of the status quo nowJul 11 19:48
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psydroidI saw the first part of his presentation about Solid/Inrupt at FOSDEM and I was thinking "this is like putting lipstick on a pig"Jul 11 19:49
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DaemonFC[m]There's so many reasons to not want DRM software on your computer.Jul 11 19:50
DaemonFC[m]The security problems alone are becoming more obvious.Jul 11 19:50
schestowitzaccessibilityJul 11 19:50
DaemonFC[m]That fingerprinting attack script called it to enumerate data about the user, for starters.Jul 11 19:50
DaemonFC[m]Even if it doesn't load, it tells them something about you.Jul 11 19:51
DaemonFC[m]Makes you more unique.Jul 11 19:51
DaemonFC[m]This is terrible.Jul 11 19:51
cybrNaut 11 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gopher Support in Pleroma | LainblogJul 11 19:51
DaemonFC[m]Reddit seems to need some first party scripts to work properly now.Jul 11 19:51
MinceReven 11 19:52
DaemonFC[m]But there's a ton of third party crap that can be disabled that doesn't affect using the site much.Jul 11 19:52
DaemonFC[m]At least half the domains that load scripts on most sites have nothing to do with you using the site.Jul 11 19:53
DaemonFC[m]They're trackers and shit.Jul 11 19:53
DaemonFC[m]I would say that, psychologically, there's a line separating men and women as far as thought process goes. Jul 11 19:57
DaemonFC[m]Much of that is regulated by hormones.Jul 11 19:57
DaemonFC[m]I'm not saying that men are superior here. In fact, in many cases it's quite the opposite.Jul 11 19:58
DaemonFC[m]Men don't plan long term as well, on average.Jul 11 19:58
DaemonFC[m]As far as I know, there was never any outcry over what terms were used internally in an operating system kernel.Jul 11 19:59
DaemonFC[m]Most women know enough about a computer to reboot their iPhone from what I've seen.Jul 11 19:59
DaemonFC[m]They have no active interest in the actual code, for the most part. So I'm wondering where all of those "outrage" actually is coming from. There's like 1-2 kernel contributors out of thousands who decided to have a public meltdown and that's what I've actually seen.Jul 11 20:01
DaemonFC[m]I felt pretty horrified about doing bankruptcy stuff over email and Google drives and stuff.Jul 11 20:02
DaemonFC[m]The alternative was far worse. Wait around for everyone to drag me into court.Jul 11 20:02
MinceRthe likes of microshitJul 11 20:02
DaemonFC[m]Who wants to steal my identity anyway. It's been slimed for the next decade.Jul 11 20:02
DaemonFC[m]Even among men dominating the software/hardware scene, they're not actually doing so well with the actual coding and design part these days.Jul 11 20:03
DaemonFC[m]You know, with all of these fly by night companies burrowing into Linux, we're going back into the hurricane of halfassedness that was the reason shit hardly ever worked years ago, albeit it for different reasons.Jul 11 20:04
DaemonFC[m]Things got really good for about a decade and then started going in the way wrong direction again big time.Jul 11 20:05
DaemonFC[m]A lot of that is because these companies have burrowed in and they're putting things in Linux that nobody in their right mind would accept, which aren't even Free Software.Jul 11 20:05
DaemonFC[m]DRM hooks and such. (Intel mainly.)Jul 11 20:06
DaemonFC[m]This is fucking garbage and when someone hooks into it using Firefox or something and uses it to pull off an attack that strikes right into the kernel.....Jul 11 20:06
DaemonFC[m]It's when, not if....Jul 11 20:07
DaemonFC[m]GNOME is turning into a major disaster. I mean, people have hurled that accusation at them before, but they should have kept their powder dry.Jul 11 20:07
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE Plasma 5.20 Seeing More Wayland Fixes []Jul 11 20:08
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE Plasma 5.20 Seeing More Wayland Fixes []Jul 11 20:08
DaemonFC[m]They're removing working code that did something that was useful, they're breaking code that worked fine before.Jul 11 20:08
DaemonFC[m]I don't think that Cinnamon/Nemo are viable long term solutions and I won't even touch them. It's more like where to even begin. The github hosting alone should scare you.Jul 11 20:09
DaemonFC[m]About the only technical advantage they have over KDE appears to be that it actually autodetects hidpi and scales itself properly while you have to configure some stuff with KDE.Jul 11 20:10
DaemonFC[m]The drawbacks vs KDE are legion.Jul 11 20:10
DaemonFC[m]I don't know if Cinnamon has one of those ridiculous code of conduct things, but it doesn't matter. They're not really all that independent of GNOME and eventually they always have to rebase.Jul 11 20:12
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: They don't rebase anymore.Jul 11 20:12
XRevan86Cinnamon is a fork of GNOME 3.8.Jul 11 20:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - FlourJul 11 20:35
DaemonFC[m]They brought Roger Ebert back from the dead so that he could shit on more great movies.Jul 11 20:38
DaemonFC[m]It's a brand now, with ghost writers.Jul 11 20:38
DaemonFC[m]"Metacritic later noted that Ebert tended to give more lenient ratings than most critics."Jul 11 20:40
DaemonFC[m]Does that include the ones that Sony made up so that they could review their own movies?Jul 11 20:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | David Manning (fictitious writer) - WikipediaJul 11 20:43
DaemonFC[m]"On June 10, 2001, on an episode of Le Show, host Harry Shearer conducted an in-studio interview with David Manning. The voice of Manning was provided by a computer voice synthesizer.[3]"Jul 11 20:43
DaemonFC[m]:)Jul 11 20:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | MC Hawking - WikipediaJul 11 20:44
DaemonFC[m]I didn't always agree with Roger Ebert, but the guy was a relic basically. As-in, he actually existed and watched the movies he reviewed.Jul 11 20:45
schestowitz[19:51] <cybrNaut> 11 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gopher Support in Pleroma | LainblogJul 11 20:46
DaemonFC[m]He also gave out some bad reviews to high budget movies.Jul 11 20:46
schestowitzI wrote about this one. Saw it several times before.Jul 11 20:46
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DaemonFC[m]Gopher support was removed from Firefox. Then there was Overbite, which patched it back in.Jul 11 20:46
schestowitzwith 5 hours to go 40,597 covid19 cases in us addedJul 11 20:47
schestowitzuk up 800Jul 11 20:47
DaemonFC[m]Then WebExtensions finally killed it again. You can use a Gopher proxy, or you can install a non-Free "helper app" to use real Gopher.Jul 11 20:47
schestowitzmore than the usualJul 11 20:47
schestowitztexas has not even reported its numbers yetJul 11 20:47
schestowitzso expect something like 60k+ for the dayaJul 11 20:47
schestowitz*dayJul 11 20:47
schestowitzalmost 20 more states to reportJul 11 20:47
schestowitzabout 15Jul 11 20:48
schestowitzToday, a Saturday, Florida reports 10,360 more #covid19 casesJul 11 20:48
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but puts on his MAGA hat for a moment something something there's car accidents, so what do you do?Jul 11 20:48
DaemonFC[m]The pushback against face masks is just ridiculous.Jul 11 20:49
DaemonFC[m]There are still a few people who are against seatbelt laws, but the cops are vicious about enforcing them, and the rub is that if you get killed and were not wearing one, you're the one that dies.Jul 11 20:49
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't somehow spread to the other passengers or the people in the other car.Jul 11 20:50
DaemonFC[m]So you don't want to wear a seatbelt, that's your fucking problem...Jul 11 20:50
schestowitzHurd MunityJul 11 20:50
schestowitz'Murica!Jul 11 20:50
DaemonFC[m]On the other hand cops don't enforce the mask law and many of them say they never will.Jul 11 20:51
DaemonFC[m]Even though you can spread enough virus to ultimately kill dozens of people.Jul 11 20:51
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I don't care if people smoke, over where I don't have to inhale it, or don't wear their seatbelt.Jul 11 20:51
DaemonFC[m]This mask thing is something I do find horrific. The fact that they're "required" but nobody does anything to the people who refuse, even though it's not that much of a burden.Jul 11 20:52
DaemonFC[m]They can potentially harm many other people.Jul 11 20:52
DaemonFC[m]That makes it different than gambling with their own life.Jul 11 20:52
DaemonFC[m]You could give it to someone who works in a nursing home, and then they go in and give it to all the residents, and then 90% of the residents die.Jul 11 20:53
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: GNOME/GTK, GNU C Library, Perl and Python []Jul 11 20:53
DaemonFC[m]We're seeing that a lot. Nursing homes have so many COVID deaths that they're demanding immunity from lawsuits.Jul 11 20:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: Rust, Language, and Linux Plumbers Conference []Jul 11 20:57
MinceR 11 20:58
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schestowitz[20:51] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: I don't care if people smoke, over where I don't have to inhale it, or don't wear their seatbelt.Jul 11 20:59
schestowitzlack of seatbelt can affect one's ability to control the steering of a carJul 11 20:59
schestowitzyou could even be a pedestrian at the timeJul 11 20:59
MinceRa person not wearing a seatbelt can still crash into other people in the same car and damage them in the case of an accidentJul 11 20:59
schestowitzmaybe airbagsJul 11 20:59
schestowitzsame for drunk driversJul 11 21:00
schestowitzs Pandemic Toll Rises, Science Deniers in Louisiana Shun Masks, Comparing Health Measures to Nazi Germany Jul 11 21:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | As Pandemic Toll Rises, Science Deniers in Louisiana Shun Masks, Comparing Health Measures to Nazi Germany | DeSmogJul 11 21:04
superkuhDaemonFC[m], it would be somewhat self-defeating to use physical force to make people wear masks and then not have any supply of masks that actually prevent the wearer from getting sick.Jul 11 21:07
superkuhUnfitted, gap-containing masks help a tiny bit. Not really enough to use violence to enforce wearing them.Jul 11 21:07
superkuhI am fully behind using law to increase manufacture of fit masks with no gaps, and if possible electrospun, then having laws to wear effective masks.Jul 11 21:08
superkuhAt least in buildings.Jul 11 21:08
superkuhRight now it's like forcing people to wear a life jacket while driving. Yes, it'll help if you go into water. But that's not the main way you die when driving.Jul 11 21:09
superkuhAnd in the end it makes the situation harder because the non-masking idiots can rightfully say most masks do nothing.Jul 11 21:10
schestowitz+44,194 casesJul 11 21:14
schestowitzit'll be well over 60k todayJul 11 21:14
MinceR"the goggles, they do nothing!"Jul 11 21:14
schestowitzmost construction workers will say their helmet was never hit by anythingJul 11 21:15
schestowitzyet they still wear it about 40 hours a weekJul 11 21:15
scientesschestowitz, and for damn good reason!Jul 11 21:17
*scientes wore one of those beforeJul 11 21:17
schestowitzyeah, they are cheapJul 11 21:19
schestowitzand the risk of not wearing one when you need it is hugeJul 11 21:19
schestowitzif you work around tractors and collapsing structuresJul 11 21:19
schestowitzsame for bike helmetJul 11 21:19
schestowitzyou can take almost any hit and survive somehow at that speedJul 11 21:19
scientesI was the guy telling people not wearing helmets to not walk under the aerial workerJul 11 21:19
schestowitzexcept head hitJul 11 21:20
schestowitzcrane?Jul 11 21:20
scientesschestowitz, no telephone polesJul 11 21:20
schestowitzi cJul 11 21:20
scientesboomsJul 11 21:20
schestowitzcc senioritaJul 11 21:20
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 47k+Jul 11 21:33
*cybrNaut revises privay philosophy to: privacy is like guns, condoms, and helmets - better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have itJul 11 21:34
cybrNauts/privay/privacy/Jul 11 21:34
MinceRindeedJul 11 21:39
*schestowitz does hard-hitting article on systemdJul 11 21:44
MinceRniceJul 11 21:45
DaemonFC[m] 11 21:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Peanut Butter and Mayonnaise Panic of 1969Jul 11 21:45
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Jul 11 21:45
schestowitzpreceding/feature image will be 11 21:45
DaemonFC[m]---Jul 11 21:45
DaemonFC[m]Yes, there were no drugs anywhere in the 70s!Jul 11 21:46
schestowitzI'm working on the textJul 11 21:46
MinceR:>Jul 11 21:46
*schestowitz noticed earlier today views per article on average more than doubled this past yearJul 11 21:46
schestowitzif you see a typo, hollerJul 11 21:46
DaemonFC[m]systemd is very modular, with modules that only work with systemd.Jul 11 21:47
schestowitzI am more paranoid about typos nowJul 11 21:47
schestowitzand it slows me down a lotJul 11 21:47
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 51kJul 11 21:47
schestowitzwowJul 11 21:47
schestowitzup so fastJul 11 21:47
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Perhaps tribbles would be betterJul 11 21:48
DaemonFC[m] 11 21:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tribble - WikipediaJul 11 21:48
schestowitz462 deaths today in EuropeJul 11 21:48
schestowitz188 of which in RussiaJul 11 21:48
schestowitzUS tops that by like 50%Jul 11 21:48
DaemonFC[m]systemd "modules".Jul 11 21:48
scientesthose numbers are fakeJul 11 21:48
scientesobv.Jul 11 21:48
scientes1. you can't get numbers that fastJul 11 21:48
MinceRsystemd "modules": systemctl, machinectlJul 11 21:48
schestowitzdepends if they count indirect deaths tooJul 11 21:48
DaemonFC[m]Every time you look there's more "modules".Jul 11 21:49
DaemonFC[m]One tribble gets on the ship and before you know it they're everywhere.Jul 11 21:49
DaemonFC[m]Just a total mess of them that keeps multiplying. Endlessly, mindlessly.Jul 11 21:49
MinceRit's more like gray gooJul 11 21:49
MinceRor replicatorsJul 11 21:49
MinceRit turns everything into itselfJul 11 21:49
DaemonFC[m]The Blob, oozing through the city.Jul 11 21:49
DaemonFC[m]Turning all organic mass into more of itself.Jul 11 21:50
MinceRooze your daddy?Jul 11 21:50
DaemonFC[m]It's nominally "Free Software".Jul 11 21:50
DaemonFC[m]"systemd has faced mixed reception from Linux users, with arguments that systemd suffers from mission creep and bloat"Jul 11 21:51
DaemonFC[m]Don't forget bugs! Lots and lots of bugs.Jul 11 21:52
DaemonFC[m]But who has time for those when there's more "features" to add?Jul 11 21:52
DaemonFC[m]I think RHEL kicked KDE out because systemd is breaking it and they don't want users calling them and expecting support.Jul 11 21:53
DaemonFC[m]From the start, it's been complete madness where systemd does something idiotic and KDE adjusts to it eventually, then it happens again. Wash, rinse, repeat.Jul 11 21:54
DaemonFC[m]The only place you should even attempt to run KDE is on a long term support distribution where the ground isn't constantly giving out from under it.Jul 11 21:55
DaemonFC[m]When Red Hat kicked KDE out, they said that EPEL or someone could package it, and nobody ever did.Jul 11 21:56
schestowitzi need helpJul 11 21:56
schestowitzmaybe from older folksJul 11 21:56
schestowitzcan you point me to examples of ibm monopolisation?Jul 11 21:56
schestowitzlike names of things they abused for monopoly?Jul 11 21:56
schestowitzit predates wwwJul 11 21:56
DaemonFC[m]I think the Nazi punch card computers that kept track of the gays, Communists, and Jews was an IBM monopoly, right?Jul 11 21:57
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DaemonFC[m]Seriously, it does go way back, but Microsoft was even nastier.Jul 11 21:58
schestowitzbut it does not answer the questionJul 11 21:59
DaemonFC[m]Nobody who has done business with Microsoft didn't regret it, but everyone thinks they'll be the first one that doesn't get fucked over and then hung out to dry.Jul 11 21:59
DaemonFC[m]OS/2 was an attempt at a monopoly, if a bad one.Jul 11 21:59
superkuhschestowitz, a helmet actually works. When you wear a mask with giant centimeter squared gaps around the nose it doesn't really. It'd be like wearing a helmet that doesn't have a top, like monk style around the head hair.Jul 11 22:01
superkuhIt'll protect your head from the sides... but most of the danger is from stuff falling from above.Jul 11 22:02
superkuhLike how non-fit masks protect from spittle, and block your spittle, but do nothing about aerosols.Jul 11 22:02
DaemonFC[m] 11 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Regulation of IBMJul 11 22:02
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Jul 11 22:02
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, Windows 10 is a "surge of progress". Who knew?Jul 11 22:02
DaemonFC[m]They didn't intend for the PC to be an open platform. They had their BIOS reverse engineered and then they were undercut by compatible systems. IBM is clownish. You really have to wonder how they got so much money.Jul 11 22:04
DaemonFC[m]The disasters of the cloned BIOS and Microsoft betraying them on the OS/2 thing led to the end of their PC business. They ended up selling it for pennies on the dollar to the Chinese. It's horrible.Jul 11 22:06
DaemonFC[m]The only place I ever saw IBM OS/2 as a preinstall was at Radio Shack on some Tandy PCs.Jul 11 22:07
superkuhMy local hydroeletric dam runs OS/2.Jul 11 22:07
DaemonFC[m]They were making a big fuss about its "multimedia" capabilities. They had some Phil Collins music video playing on it.Jul 11 22:07
DaemonFC[m]<superkuh "My local hydroeletric dam runs O"> Actual OS/2, or the eComStation? Jul 11 22:08
superkuhI'm not sure. I was on a tour about a decade ago. We couldn't touch it, I just saw in passing.Jul 11 22:08
DaemonFC[m]IBM said they couldn't open source OS/2 because there's so much code in there that is copyright Microsoft.Jul 11 22:08
DaemonFC[m]So there's no hope of that ever seeing the light of day.Jul 11 22:09
schestowitzthe comments here are good: 11 22:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Zemlin on the Linux Foundation's by-law changes []Jul 11 22:10
DaemonFC[m]eComStation is very much a legacy product that can't really be modernized. Serenity Systems managed to hack it to death to where it can run on some current hardware, and they ported the Linux JFS driver to it.Jul 11 22:10
DaemonFC[m]That might be a GPL violation, but nobody really enforces the GPL as it pertains to Linux anyway.Jul 11 22:10
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: thanks fro the linklJul 11 22:11
DaemonFC[m]yepJul 11 22:12
DaemonFC[m]OS/2 has a variant of IFS like Windows NT does, so I suppose you could try to use the Ubuntu ZFS argument with this.Jul 11 22:12
DaemonFC[m]In practice, IBM owns the copyright on that code, so maybe they granted Serenity Systems a GPL exception or something. Nobody really ever had much of an interest in the JFS module on Linux.Jul 11 22:13
DaemonFC[m]You can still use it, but why?Jul 11 22:13
DaemonFC[m]I came across its Wikipedia article the other day and cleaned up some wikirot because I was bored.Jul 11 22:14
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 55kJul 11 22:14
schestowitz4 hours to goJul 11 22:14
DaemonFC[m]I'm not really sure JFS being inherently less CPU heavy than Ext3 was really matters anymore. Ext3 had some $50,000 toilet seats in its driver that can be corrected without changing the on disk format.Jul 11 22:15
DaemonFC[m]That's exactly how Ext4's driver manages it.Jul 11 22:15
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It's laundry day.Jul 11 22:16
DaemonFC[m]The people here look at me funny. I'm down there wearing a bunch of masks stacked up and disposable gloves.Jul 11 22:16
DaemonFC[m]They walk in there no masks on, I'm dressed up like I'm bombing for roaches.Jul 11 22:16
DaemonFC[m]I still haven't had the virus though, so paranoia seems to be working.Jul 11 22:17
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Anyway, with all of these days with the virus out there going "shaboomboom!" on all the retards, it's just that much closer to where it slows down.Jul 11 22:17
DaemonFC[m]Nobody will like where the death toll is when it gets there though.Jul 11 22:18
DaemonFC[m]If the national average gets to where New York or New Jersey are now, that's like 600,000 dead.Jul 11 22:18
DaemonFC[m]It's not even over with there.Jul 11 22:18
DaemonFC[m]So by the time it slows down dramatically, you've officially lost about 0.2% of your population, and 90% of those people were over 50.Jul 11 22:19
DaemonFC[m]Interestingly enough, each week, Trump's net approval drops some more and does not come back up.Jul 11 22:21
DaemonFC[m]Could be all the old folks dying of the virus, on and off the books, not talking to the polling people.Jul 11 22:21
DaemonFC[m]We're starting to see Registered Voter national polls with 30,000-40,000 people sampled and Trump's not doing any better there.Jul 11 22:22
schestowitzit damages the brainJul 11 22:22
DaemonFC[m]Beyond a certain sampling size, the quality of your poll isn't going to go up that much more.Jul 11 22:22
schestowitzso maybe it means more braindead peple voting GOPJul 11 22:22
schestowitzbecause of something they saw on Faux NoiseJul 11 22:22
DaemonFC[m]Basically if you get 500 people sampled your error margin is high. It goes down a lot if you sample 3,000 people. But not much more than 3,000 if you dial it to 10,000.Jul 11 22:23
schestowitzremember it mutatesJul 11 22:23
schestowitzand can come to harm young people as wellJul 11 22:23
schestowitzalso, there are indirect deathsJul 11 22:23
DaemonFC[m]That reminds me of Letterman interviewing Kermit the Frog.Jul 11 22:23
schestowitzsolitary, sadness, orphansJul 11 22:23
DaemonFC[m]He says, "Is it true that if you lick a frog you get funny thoughts?".Jul 11 22:23
schestowitzloss of parents who are old can lead to depression among their offspringJul 11 22:24
DaemonFC[m]Kermit says something like, "If you're licking a frog, I don't think you're okay to begin with.".Jul 11 22:24
DaemonFC[m]So if you're even watching Fox News at this point, you were fucked in the head already.Jul 11 22:24
DaemonFC[m]It's not fooling smart people into watching it. It's telling a bunch of gibbering vegetables what their talking points are for the week.Jul 11 22:25
DaemonFC[m]So it's like my mom, right?Jul 11 22:25
DaemonFC[m]You say, "No, that's actually not what's going on. Here's who is eligible for release."Jul 11 22:25
schestowitzlolJul 11 22:26
DaemonFC[m]She just starts shouting about Nancy Pelosi and Hillary's emails.Jul 11 22:26
schestowitzyeah, usually it's non-threatening peopleJul 11 22:26
schestowitzwho are in an age where they can't do harm anywayJul 11 22:26
schestowitzand who are a death-in-prison risk groupJul 11 22:26
DaemonFC[m]They make fools of themselves mostly.Jul 11 22:26
DaemonFC[m]Occasionally you get one that's demented and pulls a gun because of something Fox News told them.Jul 11 22:26
DaemonFC[m]Old people are fucking dumb.Jul 11 22:27
DaemonFC[m]They're telling younger people we're ruining the world when here's what they did and look how great things are?Jul 11 22:27
DaemonFC[m]Remember we had it their way in 2016 and the country got better immediately?Jul 11 22:28
DaemonFC[m]:)Jul 11 22:28
DaemonFC[m]Where do we go from here? Well, the Coronavirus is a mixed bag, really.Jul 11 22:28
DaemonFC[m]It's stacking these idiots about yay high and they won't be voting anymore.Jul 11 22:29
DaemonFC[m]Trump will do considerable damage to what's left of the Illinois Republican Party.Jul 11 22:30
DaemonFC[m]Most of this state hates his guts and would stand in line in a hail storm for 3 days if they have to in order to vote.Jul 11 22:30
DaemonFC[m]So that's going to be bad news for down ballot Republicans.Jul 11 22:30
DaemonFC[m]I think that might even be enough to remove that prosecutor that went after me.Jul 11 22:31
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure as hell not going to vote for him.Jul 11 22:31
schestowitz57kJul 11 22:36
DaemonFC[m] 11 22:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-38% have recently had a bill in collection. The financial industry thinks they're sick | ZDNetJul 11 22:45
DaemonFC[m]38% of Americans have recently had a bill go to collections.Jul 11 22:45
DaemonFC[m]Also, the bill collectors send you email saying "Your account is past due because you failed to meet your obligations." or "because you broke your promise".Jul 11 22:46
DaemonFC[m]I got the "because you broke your promise" one from Kia.Jul 11 22:46
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Jul 11 22:47
DaemonFC[m]In other words, "I'm going to need this for rent and I'm not going to be thrown out of my home because I let a medical bill slide." or something like that.Jul 11 22:48
DaemonFC[m]No, it just makes it a big problem for later.Jul 11 22:48
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Jul 11 22:49
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, he's never actually gone to a debt collector's website.Jul 11 22:49
DaemonFC[m]While they're sending you nasty letters saying that you're basically the Great Satan for missing a Kia payment, they talk to the businesses that send them the late payments differently.Jul 11 22:49
DaemonFC[m]"Oh, we'll build engagement and loyalty with your difficult accounts!"Jul 11 22:50
DaemonFC[m]Yes, I'm usually very loyal to people who come up and say "Now listen here, you deadbeat. If you don't pay this, well we're legally not allowed to say it's bone crunching time, but we might 'pursue actions'.".Jul 11 22:51
DaemonFC[m]Very engaging.Jul 11 22:53
DaemonFC[m]To be sure..... Uh, here's a bankruptcy. Now you're out the money and 100,000 letters you paid postage on. Also, these soulless ghouls who keep working even when the world trade center is on fire outside the window or the Coronavirus is killing everyone.Jul 11 22:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Part of my orientation at one of those rent to own places went "You're not allowed to have any accounts here while you're employed here.". I said, "Yeah, I imagine it would be a little awkward to be sued by your own employer over a used TV with 15,000% interest. Duly noted.".Jul 11 22:57
DaemonFC[m]I didn't last very long there. I can't contain myself.Jul 11 22:58
DaemonFC[m]I've never been sued before actually.Jul 11 22:59
DaemonFC[m]Someone I was involved with very briefly had an account there it turned out.Jul 11 23:00
DaemonFC[m]They sued him because he did a rental contract on a Macbook and then made one payment and made off with it and didn't take it back.Jul 11 23:01
DaemonFC[m]So they sued him and got a judgment entered for almost $5,000.Jul 11 23:01
DaemonFC[m]Through a debtor exam, they found out he was working at Wendys,, so to counter their wage garnishment (when he could have invoked an exemption on it even in Indiana...he quit his job and started dealing marijuana.Jul 11 23:02
DaemonFC[m]Then they caught him doing that and arrested him and sent him to jail for three years.Jul 11 23:02
DaemonFC[m]Never base a relationship on sex. It will not end well.Jul 11 23:03
DaemonFC[m]Many never stop trying to though.Jul 11 23:03
DaemonFC[m]He was lucky that all they did was sue. You can turn over unpaid rental equipment that was not given back to the prosecutor to be filed as a Conversion charge.Jul 11 23:04
DaemonFC[m]It's a Class B Misdemeanor. You could end up in jail over refusing to turn over a Macbook to Rent-A-Center. Jul 11 23:05
DaemonFC[m]The reason they usually don't refer it as a criminal case is because if they have you put in jail it makes it harder for them to sue you and garnish your wages.Jul 11 23:05
DaemonFC[m]By the time you get out of jail 6 months later, they'd have to find out if you got a job, sue you, get a judgment, and by that time they'd be buried alive in 1,000 people in the town that did the same thing.Jul 11 23:06
DaemonFC[m]It's much easier to put a lawyer on retention to just sue everyone in town who made off with something and sit on the judgments that you get when they don't show up to explain themselves.Jul 11 23:07
DaemonFC[m]Now if you think you'll get cute with them and finance a ton of stuff and then head in and file bankruptcy on it, don't count on it. If you still have the items, it's fraud and they can just file an adversarial motion, and even if the bankruptcy court were to dismiss it, they could turn it over as Conversion.Jul 11 23:08
DaemonFC[m]Well, bankruptcy gets rid of debt, other than a creditor's securable interest in the property.Jul 11 23:09
DaemonFC[m]So you can't, like, file bankruptcy, throw a car loan in, and then keep the car.Jul 11 23:09
DaemonFC[m]To work around that I threw the car loan in, told them about John, and said that I was abandoning my equity in the secured property. Jul 11 23:10
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: That's kind of a glitch in the law.Jul 11 23:11
DaemonFC[m]I still own half of John's car, but he is entirely responsible for the loan now.Jul 11 23:11
DaemonFC[m]He can take the discharge notice to the state and have them remove me from the title, like I care...Jul 11 23:13
DaemonFC[m]He'll have to pay them $400 for a corrected title. :)Jul 11 23:13
smnthermes> DaemonFC[m] wrote:Jul 11 23:14
smnthermes> Then WebExtensions finally killed it again. You can use a Gopher proxy, or you can install a non-Free "helper app" to use real Gopher.Jul 11 23:14
smnthermesAll in the name of their deceiving marketing. Firefox had content isolation before e10s, and multi-threading for performance exists. Jul 11 23:14
smnthermes> DaemonFC[m] wrote:Jul 11 23:16
smnthermes> I think RHEL kicked KDE out because systemd is breaking it and they don't want users calling them and expecting support.Jul 11 23:16
smnthermesSome GNOME fans say that KDE and Qt don't follow "standards"Jul 11 23:16
DaemonFC[m]"Standards" (Dr. Evil quotation fingers.)Jul 11 23:18
DaemonFC[m]If you want to follow that logic,, the GNU coreutils and bash don't follow standards either.Jul 11 23:19
DaemonFC[m]systemd is a pile of Linux-isms.Jul 11 23:20
DaemonFC[m]Also, Web DRM is both a standard and you're not allowed to implement it in Free Software or know how it works.Jul 11 23:20
DaemonFC[m]systemd-desktopd (GNOME) itself is a pile of Linux-isms that can't run properly with a standards-compliant init system.Jul 11 23:22
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, I'm sure that black people will be glad to know that since Microsoft's CoC banned the word "slave" anywhere the public can see it (Big Boobs too). Jul 11 23:23
DaemonFC[m]This is a much bigger win than Microsoft announcing the end of their cooperation with the police.Jul 11 23:24
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schestowitz+58,627Jul 11 23:31
schestowitz700+ deathsJul 11 23:31
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I'm not having that weird Fedora bug with Kubuntu.Jul 11 23:34
DaemonFC[m]In fact, it's been fairly stable so far.Jul 11 23:34
DaemonFC[m]I'm surprised there's no Firefox-ESR for Ubuntu LTS releases.Jul 11 23:35
DaemonFC[m]I'm not really interested in the latest bling anymore. I just want the CVEs to be patched up.Jul 11 23:36
schestowitzdidn't redhat/ibm drop support for kde?Jul 11 23:37
schestowitzunder the veil of the takeover news/hype?Jul 11 23:37
schestowitzyour distro likely supports kde only 'unofficially'Jul 11 23:37
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Jul 11 23:38
DaemonFC[m]LOL!Jul 11 23:40
DaemonFC[m]I grew up in a refugee camp, but now I'm living the American dream of running a business that harasses people about their medical bills!Jul 11 23:40
DaemonFC[m]Very compassionately, of course.Jul 11 23:40
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "your distro likely supports kde "> Canonical dropped Kubuntu support in 2012.Jul 11 23:40
DaemonFC[m]It still seems to be doing okay.Jul 11 23:41
DaemonFC[m]This time, they seem to have pulled in n actual Long Term Support Linux kernel from upstream. Maybe they learned their lessons about trying to support something themselves for 5 years with backports. Maybe.Jul 11 23:41
DaemonFC[m]The LTS kernels can go on for a few years getting fixes from upstream, so that's got to be a huge relief.Jul 11 23:42
DaemonFC[m]I remember Greg KH mentioning how long it was really feasible to support a kernel for, at all. As the current development branch gets out way ahead of the LTS kernel, it becomes much harder to backport patches. This is kind of an effort by companies who have hardware working on a certain kernel that won't respond well to a new series.Jul 11 23:43
psydreadI think the kernel in (K)Ubuntu LTS is rebased every 6 months nowJul 11 23:47
schestowitzonly security fixes are really needed Jul 11 23:48
schestowitzunless the security fixes introduce new critical issues of some kindJul 11 23:48
schestowitz(which is rare)Jul 11 23:48
schestowitzllike breaking the file system or bricking some hardwareJul 11 23:49
*schestowitz tries hard to recall the last time linux (kernel) had a very critical security holeJul 11 23:49
schestowitz~60k now (us covid)Jul 11 23:50
DaemonFC[m]All the time if Linux includes Firefox, OpenSSL, and all of the packages in Debian. Which is what Microsoft calls Linux.Jul 11 23:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos []Jul 11 23:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I'll probably just stay with LTS releases now.Jul 11 23:57
DaemonFC[m]This laptop is old enough that newer kernels are more of a liability than an asset. Jul 11 23:57
DaemonFC[m]I don't believe you _must_ update to the backport kernels in Ubuntu LTS. That's a "Hardware Enablement Stack". Newer X11 and Mesa too. You can certainly install it, but you probably shouldn't unless it brings in a very important new feature. Jul 11 23:59

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