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DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Microsoft is working upstream on Chromium for a lot of things so they don't have to carry their own patches.Dec 11 00:01
DaemonFC[m]Like Opera, Vivaldi, and Brave do.Dec 11 00:01
DaemonFC[m]They all have their own user interfaces ans some unique features, but for the most paet they contribute upstream.Dec 11 00:02
DaemonFC[m]Otherwise, you just fall too far behind.Dec 11 00:02
DaemonFC[m]Also, Google can start back up with all of the incompatibility issues they deliberately introduce so Firefox doesn't work right and it'll affect your browser too.Dec 11 00:03
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Firefox 71 now has a full Tagalog locale.Dec 11 00:04
DaemonFC[m]GNOME has had one for some time. I don't thing Windows and Mac have ever been localized for Tagalog .Dec 11 00:04
oiaohmCool soon both amd and intel on open source drivers with recentish parts will be opengl 4.6 .   Recentish being in the last 7 years of production.Dec 11 00:42
oiaohmWonder if we will now see a new opengl version.Dec 11 00:42
oiaohmThere are still 17 parts not implemented by either that are not in any opengl standard version but are defined opengl extentions.Dec 11 00:45
oiaohmSome ways it would be fun to make those extensions opengl 4.7  The final challenge.Dec 11 00:46
cubexyzoiaohm, got a rather big problem with the older linux computers nowDec 11 01:03
cubexyzjust startedDec 11 01:03
cubexyzwikipedia doesn't work... I just get a "security is outdated message"Dec 11 01:03
cubexyzI run old development stuff on those machines, e.g. KDE 3.5.10 and old LGP game developmentDec 11 01:04
cubexyzso I need old gcc, old libraries, etc. And even if I was to put new firefox on the p3 it would run terribleDec 11 01:05
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DaemonFC[m]Is the partial charge setting for Lenovo laptops in the battery itself or the system firmware?Dec 11 02:10
DaemonFC[m]I toggled it before I got rid of Windows 10 a few years ago and now I need a new battery.Dec 11 02:10
oiaohmcubexyz: this was coming with websites getting sick of running old security.Dec 11 02:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Teams is now available for Linux in preview - NeowinDec 11 02:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Once Again Googlebombing "Linux" to Push/Promote Proprietary Spyware | Tux MachinesDec 11 02:51
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oiaohm woohoo another intel cpu bug.Dec 11 03:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Plundervolt attack impacts Intel CPUs | ZDNetDec 11 03:16
schestowitzTime to phase out #x86Dec 11 03:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectDec 11 07:36
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insmodppacubexyz: squid's sslbump will solve your SSL/TLS problems.Dec 11 10:56
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR I've observed that victory usually goes to the side that doesn't particularly care if they end up burning everything down or has very little to lose.Dec 11 15:33
DaemonFC[m]In everything from war to courtroom proceedings.Dec 11 15:34
DaemonFC[m]Divorce is theoretically where you go to court and the judge will decide to treat you fairly, but in almost all cases, there's more incentive for one partner to file against the other first, and it's very nearly always the one who did something wrong.Dec 11 15:35
DaemonFC[m]I told my sister in law that if her little game involves convincing my husband to file divorce against me, then I'll contest it for so long that immigration would see what's happening and say no and then never let him stay in the country again.Dec 11 15:37
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DaemonFC[m]I don't want bad things to happen to him, but going back to her house would be worse than ending up deported in my book.Dec 11 15:37
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DaemonFC[m]In Illinois, you can basically throw rocks into the gears in those proceedings by simply saying you don't agree.Dec 11 15:39
DaemonFC[m]I've seen cases where someone says they don't agree and it caused the final decree to come down 9 or 10 months later, and they had absolutely no other arguments.Dec 11 15:40
DaemonFC[m]I can't stand the woman to be honest.Dec 11 15:40
DaemonFC[m]But in principle, I try to make it as hard as possible for people to get me to do what they want me to do.Dec 11 15:42
DaemonFC[m]The reason why saying you don't agree causes the process to take so long is that you aren't a heart attack in the court system.Dec 11 15:42
MinceR:)Dec 11 15:43
DaemonFC[m]It has a laundry list of civil proceedings from people suing each other to DCFS asking the judge to take battered babies out of the home.Dec 11 15:43
MinceRi suspect 10 months later is still faster than it would have gone in hungaryDec 11 15:43
DaemonFC[m]MinceR I talked to a guy who told me his ex wife kept it going for 13 months.Dec 11 15:44
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DaemonFC[m]First she just didn't agree and then when the court finally put a date to listen to this thing on the calendar 9 months later, she convinced the judge that she wanted to save the marriage and was willing to go to counseling, so the judge ordered four months of marriage counseling sessions and then another month after the therapist told the court that it was impossible to get them to agree to anything, the divorce cameDec 11 15:46
DaemonFC[m]down.Dec 11 15:46
DaemonFC[m]MinceR He wanted to hurry up and get married to this woman he'd been cheating on her with.Dec 11 15:47
DaemonFC[m]So she stonewalled it for over a year. During which time she had to pay for half of the marriage counseling sessions which totaled a few hundred dollars.Dec 11 15:47
DaemonFC[m]Meanwhile, her husband's girlfriend who wanted on his health insurance racked up nearly $40,000 in medical bills by the time he could get a divorce and then marry her.Dec 11 15:48
DaemonFC[m]MinceR When someone screws me over, I normally try to inflict at least as much damage as I can on them on my way down.Dec 11 15:49
DaemonFC[m]Figuring it's the least I could do.Dec 11 15:49
DaemonFC[m]MinceR My mom told a child psychiatrist that I was harassing the guy she left my dad for.Dec 11 15:50
DaemonFC[m]He asked what I was doing and she said. "Well, the other day we got a box of fine chocolates in the mail.".Dec 11 15:51
DaemonFC[m]He said, "He sent you expensive chocolates?".Dec 11 15:51
DaemonFC[m]She goes, "No. He took all of the chocolates out and then refilled it with shit from walking his dog and then mailed it to my new husband.".Dec 11 15:52
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MinceRlolDec 11 16:24
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DaemonFC[m]If my sister in law succeeds in sabotaging my marriage, I'm going to ensure she won't profit from it.Dec 11 16:46
DaemonFC[m]First I'll drag the process along to the point it takes a year for him to divorce me if she manages to get him to slap me with a divorce petition.Dec 11 16:47
DaemonFC[m]In my reply, I'll work in that the reason our marriage is under strain is because he is under the wicked influence of his racist and horrible sister, yada yada and I want to see if marriage counseling can help us before the judge grants the divorce.Dec 11 16:48
DaemonFC[m]Then while that's happening, I'll send some compromising material to her church that gets her whole family banned for life.Dec 11 16:48
DaemonFC[m]And I'll go to other places and start talking about everything I know.Dec 11 16:49
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: They started panicking when I told them they seriously do not want to fuck with me because it won't end well....for them.Dec 11 16:51
DaemonFC[m]They started saying "You don't know who we are! We can do things to you!".Dec 11 16:51
DaemonFC[m]I told her "Well, you could have paid a hitman with what it cost to fix a wiring short in your car, but you missed the boat on that.".Dec 11 16:52
MinceR:>Dec 11 16:53
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Yeah, she was angry that I said something about how I didn't buy a 2011 BMW 325i for $3,000 because it was less valuable than a 2003 Impala because they fall apart and cost more than the car payment did when they turn 5.Dec 11 16:53
DaemonFC[m]It was on my Facebook wall as a random observation, so they started ranting about how much stuff they have and blah blah blah.Dec 11 16:54
DaemonFC[m]The reason that 2011 BMW was $3,000 is because it was $65,000 new and then after 8 years so many shorts, vacuum leaks, and coolant explosions and god only knows what else convinced the last owner to give it away for fucking nothing.Dec 11 16:55
DaemonFC[m]That's what happens to all of them.Dec 11 16:55
DaemonFC[m]Then what really sent her over the edge was when I pointed out that guy that got one over on CarMax by buying an extended warranty on a used Land Rover that ended up costing them 450% of what they sold the warranty for over the next 4 years. Dec 11 16:56
MinceR:>Dec 11 16:56
DaemonFC[m]If you're driving around with a 5 year bumper to bumper warranty and it's someone else's problem while your German quality car is falling apart all the time, yeah....Dec 11 16:57
DaemonFC[m]$27,000 was a bargain.Dec 11 16:57
scientes"German quality"Dec 11 16:57
MinceRthat guy is Doug DeMuro and CarMax doubled the price of that offer on Land Rovers already :>Dec 11 16:57
DaemonFC[m]It's only $10,000 more than what it cost the warranty people to repair and then you get rid of it after 5 years when it's completely impossible to fix anymore.Dec 11 16:57
MinceR"german engineering!"Dec 11 16:57
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Scotty Kilmer was talking about the old BMWs back when all cars pretty much had universal wheel bearings.Dec 11 16:58
DaemonFC[m]He said that back in the 1990s, a customer brought his BMW over because the dealer wanted $800 for a wheel bearing in the 1990s, and Kilmer got a $100 bearing for a Ford instead and put that on and billed the guy $200 total. "But you can't do that anymore.".Dec 11 16:59
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: These people have some weird fascination with Europe.Dec 11 17:00
DaemonFC[m]They buy horrible Euro cars that don't hold up, they vacation there....Dec 11 17:00
DaemonFC[m]If I was going to fall in love with another country, it would not be in Europe, which is more or less a big fat joke.Dec 11 17:00
MinceRyeah, europe got a lot worse latelyDec 11 17:01
DaemonFC[m]Greece makes Illinois look straight up clean as a whistle.Dec 11 17:01
MinceRbut then, usonia is not in a good shape eitherDec 11 17:01
DaemonFC[m]We're holding up better than the EU is.Dec 11 17:01
DaemonFC[m]As bad as things are here, we have a more permanent constitution. Not one where California can just threaten to get up and leave unless it gets a "better deal" and then tries to leave anyway after 12 of them and then has to deal with half the people who want to stay gumming up the "divorce".Dec 11 17:02
MinceR:>Dec 11 17:02
DaemonFC[m]We don't have two dozen competing cultures and languages with equal footing, but the Democrats are trying to weaken us like that.Dec 11 17:03
MinceRyeah, you might end up with a civil war of california really wants to leave :>Dec 11 17:03
MinceRs/of/if/Dec 11 17:03
DaemonFC[m]When the Supreme Court makes a ruling, good or bad, the states comply with it instead of just flat out ignoring it and nothing happens.Dec 11 17:03
DaemonFC[m]So I'd say the US isn't what it once was, but it's not EU bad.Dec 11 17:04
MinceRwhich is not so great when your nazi president puts his flunkies in the supreme courtDec 11 17:04
DaemonFC[m]And it won't be for a while even if things continue getting worse.Dec 11 17:04
DaemonFC[m]It's been kind of interesting there, because like all presidents, his own judges have defied him in several major cases.Dec 11 17:04
MinceRthey won't defy his party, thoughDec 11 17:04
DaemonFC[m]They aren't voting as a block and so there's a lot of 5-4 or 6-3 opinions that go the way you weren't expecting.Dec 11 17:05
MinceRand his party will drive the country into the ground once the balance of power shifts greatly their wayDec 11 17:05
DaemonFC[m]If he is there much longer, RBG will die and he'll appoint another one, and it will all be over.Dec 11 17:05
DaemonFC[m]That's why she keeps trying to hang on even though she's in terrible health. If she can make it to the next election and a Democrat wins, the Senate will be dealing with that president for at least 4 years.Dec 11 17:06
DaemonFC[m]And she can go ahead and retire then.Dec 11 17:06
DaemonFC[m]If she had resigned in 2008, the Democrats could have named anyone to replace her and put someone in their 40s on the court.Dec 11 17:06
DaemonFC[m]It's hard to pressure a judge to get off the court.Dec 11 17:07
DaemonFC[m]As long as they haven't done something incredibly illegal, there is no way to do it.Dec 11 17:07
DaemonFC[m]They can even be completely senile and never sitting on the court, and as long as they're alive they're a judge.Dec 11 17:08
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's happened before, but not recently.Dec 11 17:08
DaemonFC[m]In the 1800s, there was a judge that was in his 70s, which is like being in your 90s now, and he needed the paycheck, so he stayed on for like 20 years after he started losing his mind.Dec 11 17:08
DaemonFC[m]And the rest just agreed not to rule on any split decisions until he was gone, and it took 20 years.Dec 11 17:09
MinceR:>Dec 11 17:09
DaemonFC[m]If the court deadlocks on something, then no precedent is set and you can actually have different laws in effect in different parts of the country.Dec 11 17:10
DaemonFC[m]Since there are 13 different federal appeals courts, then each one of those appeals courts can make a completely different ruling on the same law and in some places the law will be struck down and in other places it will still be in effect. Dec 11 17:11
DaemonFC[m]Right now, for example, Trump's change to "public charge" on immigration has been enjoined nationwide, but if another appeals court takes it up and rules differently, then public charge will be the new rule in that area while it won't be applicable elsewhere. Dec 11 17:12
DaemonFC[m]That's generally considered to be a disaster, so the Supreme Court usually steps in and issues a temporary injunction nationwide while they sort the mess out.Dec 11 17:13
DaemonFC[m]In the mean time, if you're in another part of the country and haven't filed your immigration case, you could circumvent the new rule by moving within the jurisdiction of the court that struck it down and filing your case there.Dec 11 17:14
DaemonFC[m]I'll probably just start buying computers from the low end of the market.Dec 11 17:22
DaemonFC[m]If a $38 battery keeps this one going for 4 more years, heh.Dec 11 17:22
DaemonFC[m]But by the time I get rid of it, even the slow laptops will be 5-6 times faster.Dec 11 17:23
DaemonFC[m]So it makes more sense here to just repair what I already have.Dec 11 17:23
DaemonFC[m]People are always talking about "quality Apple hardware", MinceR But the real fact here is that it's broken just as quickly as a $400 Walmart laptop and there's really nothing economically feasible to do with the Mac by the time it does.Dec 11 17:24
MinceRit's broken by designDec 11 17:25
DaemonFC[m]I see people throwing thousand dollar bills at Apple and then when they get the thing they're using Safari and a bittorrent program.Dec 11 17:25
DaemonFC[m]Which even the cheapest computer will do fine.Dec 11 17:25
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: and the cheapest PC will be more data recoverable than the apple device.Dec 11 17:47
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Apple uses these weird file systems that aren't designed well.Dec 11 17:50
DaemonFC[m]HFS+ was an extension of an 80s file system made for a toy computer.Dec 11 17:51
DaemonFC[m]And APFS is so packed full of features and untested that real world users who aren't even really demanding much from it are running into bugs that corrupt the entire file system.Dec 11 17:51
DaemonFC[m]Incremental improvements over the Linux Extended File System's life have shown it to be surprisingly robust.Dec 11 17:52
DaemonFC[m]Even big design mistakes like the original block allocation have been fixed in a backwards compatible way by the Ext4 driver without replacing the file system underneath, or making any on disk format changes.Dec 11 17:53
DaemonFC[m]You can use Ext4 driver with Ext3 or Ext2 without making any changes to the file system itself, and still gain many performance improvements.Dec 11 17:54
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: xfs and ext series of file systems have improved a hell of a lot over the years without breaking backwards support.Dec 11 17:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What's a reasonable price for BMW extended warranty?Dec 11 18:25
DaemonFC[m]BMW wants you to pay $6,500 for a 5 year, 100,000 mile warranty, which does not include maintenance. Dec 11 18:25
DaemonFC[m]Otherwise, you only get the 3 year 50,000 mile warranty.Dec 11 18:26
DaemonFC[m]A Kia has a 5 year 60,000 mile from the factory and you get 10 years and 100,000 on the powertrain, so that covers you on engine and transmission problems.Dec 11 18:26
DaemonFC[m]BMW knows how unreliable their cars are, so when you go down to buy one, you're essentially just pre-paying for all the shit that'll hit the fan before the car is even 5 years old, plus 20 or 30% I'm sure.Dec 11 18:28
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DaemonFC[m]$6,500 is a lot of repairs on the average car, but BMWs have a lot of stuff under the hood and none of it is durable or well designed.Dec 11 18:29
DaemonFC[m]So $6,500 may not actually cover very many repairs if you go out of pocket and you may actually come out ahead, but probably not.Dec 11 18:29
DaemonFC[m]They probably figure on $5,000 worth of stuff happening in 5 years (at their inflated dealer prices.Dec 11 18:29
DaemonFC[m]So they'll fix stuff that costs like $2,500 to them if you pre-pay $6,500.Dec 11 18:30
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: "If it was any good, it wouldn't be coming from Europe."Dec 11 18:31
DaemonFC[m]Like that episode of SG-1 where the Russian lady informs him the sub is Swiss, so he says "So it blows up now and then, but it keeps perfect time?"/.Dec 11 18:31
DaemonFC[m]Even the watches are very precise, but when they stop working, you're going to pay a lot to repair them. But the watch cost too much to begin with and who even wears a watch these days.Dec 11 18:32
DaemonFC[m]"FWIW, my dealer told me MSRP for Platinum 5yr/100k (ESC PL 60M/100K MLS) is $6649 w/ $50 deductible."Dec 11 18:33
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DaemonFC[m]So you overpay $6649 for a warranty that's like what gets thrown in from the factory on most cars expecting constant trouble over the first 5 years on a car you already paid $80,000 for with BMW.Dec 11 18:34
DaemonFC[m]Then each and every time something happens, you have to pay them another crisp $50 bill.Dec 11 18:35
DaemonFC[m]PT Barnum was right. There is a sucker born every minute. Dec 11 18:35
DaemonFC[m]"Your sway bar fluid is leaking."Dec 11 18:36
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the old Impala is not a great ride on bad streets. But if you get a BMW with an expensive complicated suspension so you won't feel the bad roads in Illinois, each bump still does knock your suspension around and they're prohibitively expensive to repair.Dec 11 18:37
DaemonFC[m]Even the domestic car companies with the air ride suspensions don't design them to last more than 100,000 miles. The second or third owner will end up shelling out $1,000 just to make it ride like an Impala when they find out that a new air ride on a Cadillac is $5,500.Dec 11 18:38
DaemonFC[m]A broken air ride is about the most uncomfortable thing ever. You have to do something with it or the car will be all lopsided and bouncing around.Dec 11 18:39
DaemonFC[m]But it rides like a dream for as long as any snob will keep it before they're buying a new one.Dec 11 18:40
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: GM has done some stupid shit on a Cadillac that is like something BMW would do.Dec 11 18:40
DaemonFC[m]But it's usually just been one bad idea at a time.Dec 11 18:40
DaemonFC[m]Like those "water cooled alternators" they put on them from 98-00.Dec 11 18:41
DaemonFC[m]Predictably, eventually the coolant rotted through into the electrical components and fried the alternator.Dec 11 18:41
DaemonFC[m]And then the replacement alternator was a $1,000 part.Dec 11 18:41
DaemonFC[m]People weren't even getting out of the factory warranties with them and GM quit using them very fast.Dec 11 18:42
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla and Beyond: Daniel Stenberg on BearSSL, Mozilla Root Store Policy, The Weak Notes, Wladimir Palant on Avira []Dec 11 18:44
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MinceR11 193114 < DaemonFC[m]> MinceR: "If it was any good, it wouldn't be coming from Europe."Dec 11 18:56
MinceRsome good stuff does come from europeDec 11 18:56
MinceRbut mechanical watches are ridiculousDec 11 18:56
MinceRinaccurate, overpriced, troublesome to maintain, lacking in featuresDec 11 18:56
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: NVIDIA 440.44 Linux Driver, Microsoft Code, and WSL Performs Very Poorly []Dec 11 19:04
oiaohmMinceR: I guess you are refering the junk level mechanical watches.   Not the certified chronometer watches.Dec 11 19:07
oiaohmYes some of the junk level mechanical watches are expensive because they spend a hell load on the housing and bugger all on the internals.Dec 11 19:07
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Juju 2.7: Enhanced k8s experience, improved networking and more []Dec 11 19:08
MinceRooh, certified chronometerDec 11 19:09
MinceRi'm sure the certification helps a lot against much more reliable and predictable solid state implementations :>Dec 11 19:10
MinceRnot to mention synchronization over radio or Internet...Dec 11 19:10
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos and leftovers []Dec 11 19:16
oiaohmcertified chronometer has a error rate of +- 10 sec a year.Dec 11 19:22
oiaohmMinceR: when working with explosives going near high EMP stuff you need mechanical.Dec 11 19:22
oiaohmAnd mechanical that is good.Dec 11 19:22
oiaohmSome of the blasting of some ores is fun as it generated EMP pulses.Dec 11 19:23
MinceRi'm not working with thoseDec 11 19:23
oiaohmsolid state implementations basically have their limitsDec 11 19:24
MinceRso does clockworkDec 11 19:24
oiaohmMost cerfied full mechanicals used by blast people are a max of 500 dollars AUD.Dec 11 19:24
MinceRand clockwork can't do DCF77 or NTP or GPSDec 11 19:25
oiaohmclockwork and Sextant can give a better fix than a GPS.Dec 11 19:28
oiaohmMinceR:   there are going to be some major disasters caused by GPS interference.Dec 11 19:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ghost ships, crop circles, and soft gold: A GPS mystery in Shanghai - MIT Technology ReviewDec 11 19:31
MinceRi'm not talking about getting a fix, i'm talking about getting time synchronization from atomic clocksDec 11 19:31
MinceR(and yes, the GPS signal does include information on leap seconds)Dec 11 19:32
oiaohmSome of that miss calcuations is caused by the time value being interfered with in gps signal.Dec 11 19:32
MinceRor you could just carry an atomic clockDec 11 19:33
MinceRunlike clockwork, those really are accurate :>Dec 11 19:33
oiaohm  << I do wish they were more cost effective.Dec 11 19:35
MinceR:>Dec 11 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Atomic clock is smallest on the market – Physics WorldDec 11 19:35
MinceRswiss watches aren't cost effective either :>Dec 11 19:36
MinceRnow their multitools, on the other hand, are greatDec 11 19:36
oiaohm1500 USD is still too much to be a computer motherboard feature.Dec 11 19:36
MinceRcomputer motherboards are rarely EMP-shielded :>Dec 11 19:37
DaemonFC[m]Plus the OS can adjust for the minor clock drift with NTP.Dec 11 19:38
DaemonFC[m]I remember thinking it was pretty cool when XP came out and my clock drift was solved.Dec 11 19:39
MinceRXP can do NTP?Dec 11 19:40
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MinceRit took RadioActive Directory ages to do real actual NTPDec 11 19:41
MinceRand of course, Mordac, the Preventer of Information Services tends to disable it _and_ block NTP on the corporate firewallDec 11 19:42
oiaohmMinceR: XP has light weight NTP like the one systemd-timesyncd  where its not doing the network latency correction maths.Dec 11 19:42
MinceRah yes, one of the fake onesDec 11 19:43
MinceRi don't get what's so difficult about doing NTP properly that microsloth couldn't even hire anybody to do it for themDec 11 19:43
oiaohmTo be correct at times doing the network latency correction maths in fact can cause problems.Dec 11 19:43
MinceRmaybe software engineers already hated their guts too much to work for themDec 11 19:43
oiaohmEven proper ntpd has option to turn off latency correction.Dec 11 19:44
oiaohmSo its not exactly a fake solution is just not a complete feature full NTP solution.Dec 11 19:44
MinceRthat's after they fucked around with Time Protocol and possibly SNTPDec 11 19:45
oiaohmThe fun issue about network latancy correction math issue is that you can get a client computer sending a packet encrypted in the future instead of the past.Dec 11 19:45
oiaohmIf the correction is wrong.Dec 11 19:45
oiaohmIf you  have not worked out that would screw up windows xp logging into a windows 2000/2003 server of course.Dec 11 19:46
MinceRthere are a few things that would screw that upDec 11 19:47
MinceRincluding winblows xp, "winblows server" (what a joke) and RadioActive DirectoryDec 11 19:47
oiaohmLimiting NTP meant the did not have to fix the server for handling stuff from the future.Dec 11 19:48
oiaohmOf course that makes windows server have some major screwups when you start looking at sending it stuff from future and seeing what breaks.Dec 11 19:48
MinceRyes, of course, if you have DoS and possibly more serious security issues regarding time handling, the way to fix it is to cripple your NTP implementationDec 11 19:49
MinceRbecause that will definitely fix such issuesDec 11 19:50
MinceRis this what we call "american engineering"? :>Dec 11 19:50
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 11/12/2019: Huawei Lobbied by Microsoft (Because of GNU/Linux) and Microsoft Still Googlebombs Linux to Promote 'Teams' []Dec 11 20:04
DaemonFC[m]MinceR Mac Pro Mac OS Server....Dec 11 20:19
DaemonFC[m]Worse than Windows even.Dec 11 20:20
DaemonFC[m]If one can measure these things.Dec 11 20:20
MinceRlolDec 11 20:21
MinceRso they haven't learned from the xserve after all?Dec 11 20:21
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft has WSL2 now, with a real Linux kernel.Dec 11 20:21
DaemonFC[m]Nobody was using WSL because of the terrible performance.Dec 11 20:22
MinceRyeah, with a real CoC forced on it by microsoftDec 11 20:22
MinceRit will still perform terriblyDec 11 20:22
MinceRsince it has to share the PC with winblowsDec 11 20:22
DaemonFC[m]So they implemented it as something more like what CoLinux was in 2004.Dec 11 20:22
MinceRplus there's probably the bugs of hype-V getting in the wayDec 11 20:22
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR If anything, Chrysler is less reliable than ever under FiatDec 11 21:47
DaemonFC[m]Instead of taking Chrysler designs that were at least better, and putting them in Fiat cars, they ended up putting the Fiat crap in the Chryslers.Dec 11 21:48
DaemonFC[m]As a result, Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep are some of the worst brands to buy.Dec 11 21:48
DaemonFC[m]They keep having engines that blow up.Dec 11 21:48
MinceRi thought they were rebadging big chrysler cars as fiat and lancia and sold them in europe :>Dec 11 21:49
DaemonFC[m]Or the transmission doesn't shift right or the car gets the cruise control stuck on and the recall is a software update and it's a mechanical problem.Dec 11 21:49
MinceRi saw some fiat suv with that typical awkward new usonian look :>Dec 11 21:49
DaemonFC[m]The goal of the software update is to kinda get it working again until it's not under warranty anymore.Dec 11 21:49
DaemonFC[m]Recalls that fix transmission parts or electrical wiring coat a lot to repair.Dec 11 21:50
DaemonFC[m]They can get the transmission to behave better and then break down when it's not warranty anymore.Dec 11 21:50
DaemonFC[m]And the cruise control software just detects the wiring short and won't let you use cruise control if it detects it. It doesn't fix the faulty wiring.Dec 11 21:51
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DaemonFC[m]It just gets the government off their back because the car can't get stuck going down the road at 80 miles an hour now.Dec 11 21:51
DaemonFC[m]MinceR After the Italians took them over, people didn't want to buy Chrysler's brands anymore because they were foreign.Dec 11 21:54
DaemonFC[m]So Chrysler spent ads saying Imported from Detroit and ended up getting sued for false advertising since most of their vehicles weren't even assembled in Detroit.Dec 11 21:54
MinceRlolDec 11 21:54
DaemonFC[m]Then again for trademark infringement from a mens clothing company.Dec 11 21:55
DaemonFC[m]They ended up pulling the ads and spending almost $80 million settling the lawsuits.Dec 11 21:55
DaemonFC[m]In imported Euros I suppose.Dec 11 21:56
DaemonFC[m]Better spend them while you can.Dec 11 21:56
DaemonFC[m]I always hated Chrysler. Gonad the Barbarian had a 1998 Dodge Ram and it got 8 miles a gallon.Dec 11 21:59
DaemonFC[m]He sent me off to Marion in it one day to pick something up and I said "Not without gas money you're not.".Dec 11 21:59
DaemonFC[m]You watched the gas needle falling while you were driving it.Dec 11 22:00
MinceRlolDec 11 22:00
DaemonFC[m]The first time I drove the piece of shit I told him I think he needed a new oxygen sensor or something.Dec 11 22:02
DaemonFC[m]*thoughtDec 11 22:02
DaemonFC[m]MinceR The EPA classified my 2003 Impala as a gas guzzler when it was new.Dec 11 22:03
DaemonFC[m]And it gets 2.5 times as far on a gallon of gas as that truck did. And that's with that E10 shit I have to run it on now because of the EPA.Dec 11 22:03
DaemonFC[m]You start running the car on ethanol and you pass everything but the gas pump.Dec 11 22:04
DaemonFC[m]The piece of shit Dodge he had wpuld probably only get like 7 mpg on this E10 crap.Dec 11 22:05
DaemonFC[m]They couldn't make a flex fuel version because it would only get 4 or 5 mpg on E85 and you'd be pulling over for gas every 180 miles on a 40 gallon tank.Dec 11 22:06
DaemonFC[m]I don't know how it got such bad mileage. It was eating him alive on gas. When he worked up in Fort Wayne he ended up driving the 85 Honda vecause he didn't want to buy 50 gallons of gas every week.Dec 11 22:08
DaemonFC[m]The problem with the gas guzzlers is they end up needing huge tanks or else they have no range. Then you get to pull another 160 pounds of gasoline around with you.Dec 11 22:10
DaemonFC[m]MinceR I askee him if we were taking the Honda or the Exxon Valdez one day.Dec 11 22:11
DaemonFC[m]He sighed.Dec 11 22:11
DaemonFC[m]Daniel Peterson Murphy does offer a nickel per gallon off on E15 vs gas.Dec 11 22:12
DaemonFC[m]So on an energy equivalent basis, you break even if E15 is $2.42 that day.Dec 11 22:13
DaemonFC[m]This gasahol stuff gets horrible mileage, so the government made it illegal to use anything else.Dec 11 22:13
DaemonFC[m]MinceR It's not just an awful idea. It's the law!Dec 11 22:14
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of a necessary evil at E10 because it's a cheap source of octane that doesn't spray everyone down with poison on your way by.Dec 11 22:15
MinceR:>Dec 11 22:15
DaemonFC[m]But at E15 it makes little economic sense.Dec 11 22:15
DaemonFC[m]Your mileage drops more than the savings in most cases.Dec 11 22:15
DaemonFC[m]Some of these new engines may benefit from E15, because it haa more octane than Regular, and modern engines have higher compression.Dec 11 22:16
DaemonFC[m]But my Kia Soul had a turbo and ran fine either way.Dec 11 22:16
DaemonFC[m]These newer computers are like smart and stuff.Dec 11 22:17
DaemonFC[m]And they run fine on anything.Dec 11 22:17
DaemonFC[m]MinceR They used to have super economy gas in my neck of the woods.Dec 11 22:18
DaemonFC[m]I was broke and always filled up on it. 86 octane. Saved like 1 penny per gallon.Dec 11 22:19
MinceRi thought they were more sensitive to fuel quality :>Dec 11 22:19
DaemonFC[m]They're a little zippier on mid grade or E15, but it's not a night and day thing.Dec 11 22:19
DaemonFC[m]And if you go the high test gas route, might as well buy premium to get the extra detergents while you're at it. Most brand name stations do thatDec 11 22:20
DaemonFC[m]The high test stuff works better in cars like a BMW when they are working.Dec 11 22:21
DaemonFC[m]They're extremely sensitive to carbon fouling because GDI and they actually need premium to run correctly because of high compression and twin turbochargers.Dec 11 22:21
DaemonFC[m]All this stuff putd an incredible strain on the engine which is another reason why your BMW will never have 200,000 miles on it.Dec 11 22:22
DaemonFC[m]There's a small number of cars that need premium. It's like 10% of the market. And you'll pay through the nose for gasoline.Dec 11 22:22
DaemonFC[m]Another 60 cents a gallon or so.Dec 11 22:23
DaemonFC[m]MinceR and it's a double whammy because with all that power you drive the BMW like a maniac even if you don't mean to and you get half the gas mileage it's rated for.Dec 11 22:23
DaemonFC[m]They're fun cars when they're brand new if you have $100,000 to throw away on a car that barely lasts 5 years and to get the standard factory warranty that normal cars come with but is $6500 on a BMW.Dec 11 22:25
DaemonFC[m]Some lady poured Blue Devil head gasket sealer in her 2000 BMW. No idea how it lasted 19 years.Dec 11 22:25
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, she ignored the directions and blew up the engine the next day and managed to send a rod through the radiator.Dec 11 22:26
DaemonFC[m]Then she said she'd sue Blue Devil for selling her the shit.Dec 11 22:26
DaemonFC[m]She found out a head gasket on a BMW is $2,700 and decided to do a DIY fail instead.Dec 11 22:27
DaemonFC[m]MinceR Most mechanics know how to use head gasket sealer and will do it for you if you pay them for an hour and a half or so.Dec 11 22:27
DaemonFC[m]It stands about a 70% chance of working and permanently repairing the leak if you use it according to the directions.Dec 11 22:28
DaemonFC[m]By permanent I mean it'll last 5 years and you're keeping the car less than that.Dec 11 22:28
MinceRlolDec 11 22:29
DaemonFC[m]MinceR I don't know how using it wrong would blow up a normal engine.Dec 11 22:29
DaemonFC[m]I'm guessing the BMW engine had such tight tolerances that plugging things up even just a little blew it up.Dec 11 22:29
MinceRGDI seems to be pretty common nowadaysDec 11 22:29
DaemonFC[m]MinceR It's not a bad idea, but some companies make them right and others make them to put out 500 horsepower (along with twin turbochargers and BMWs industry leading "hot air intakes") and die fast.Dec 11 22:31
DaemonFC[m]I put a cold air intake on that Chevy Corsica just because it was a fast little car anyway and what the hell.Dec 11 22:32
DaemonFC[m]I never bothered with the Crown Victoria. I wish I had.Dec 11 22:32
DaemonFC[m]K&N is completely overrated. You'll get a MAF sensor code eventually because it's impossible not to get some of that cleaning oil on it.Dec 11 22:34
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR Scotty Kilmer was talking about how to make your brake pads last 100,000 miles.Dec 11 22:37
DaemonFC[m]He said he had a customer who drove a BMW and kept coming back for brake pads every 9,000 miles or so. And they were BMW pads, not some cheap off brand.Dec 11 22:37
DaemonFC[m]So Kilmer says he wants to take a ride and see how the guy drives.  He said the guy drove with one foot on the gas pedal and one on the brake and said "That's how I was taught to drive. That's the correct way.".Dec 11 22:38
MinceR11 233706 < DaemonFC[m]> MinceR Scotty Kilmer was talking about how to make your brake pads last 100,000 miles.Dec 11 22:38
MinceRdrive a hybrid or an EV?Dec 11 22:38
DaemonFC[m]MinceR I've been driving for 20 years and only bought one set of brake pads.Dec 11 22:39
MinceRlol @ "correct way"Dec 11 22:39
DaemonFC[m]Only bought three sets of tires too.Dec 11 22:40
DaemonFC[m]And that was because I got 3 used cars with bald tires on them.Dec 11 22:40
DaemonFC[m]I buy close to the cheapest tires out thereDec 11 22:41
DaemonFC[m]There's some good bargain tiresDec 11 22:41
DaemonFC[m]MinceR it is the correct way to go through brakes 8 times faster and cut your gas mileage in half.Dec 11 22:49
DaemonFC[m]The way BMW idiot number 1 million drove.Dec 11 22:49
DaemonFC[m]MinceR How could you be going through brakes every 9,000 miles and be getting 4 mpg and not know something was wrong?Dec 11 22:51
DaemonFC[m]The scariest part about it is that somehow this guy is working as a highly paid professional if he makes enough money to buy the car and do this with it.Dec 11 22:52
DaemonFC[m]MinceR I wouldn't drive a 6 year old BMW if it was free because even if they're cheap to buy they aren't cheap to keep.Dec 11 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Pretty soon you'll be getting it towed off and if all you want id a car that lasts as long as it's going to last that might be fine.Dec 11 22:54
DaemonFC[m]That's why an 8 year old BMW is $3,000.Dec 11 22:54
DaemonFC[m]To actually keep driving it another 8 years, you'll be $40,000 in on repairs and that's the end of your cheap car.Dec 11 22:55
DaemonFC[m]MinceR I found an open source app that plays interdimensional cable from Rick and Morty instead of ads on Spotify Free.Dec 11 23:13
MinceRi found an open source app that plays music from my local storage devices, without ads or DRM :>Dec 11 23:17
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cubexyzinsmodppa, would openssl 0.9.8h be too old for squid sslbump? Dec 11 23:26
DaemonFC[m]MinceR My sister in law is such a dingbat that she is one of those people thay has like 12 streaming subscriptions and "smart home" stuff.Dec 11 23:28
MinceR:>Dec 11 23:29
DaemonFC[m]I told her one day how disappointing most of those streaming things are and it's easier to just use BitTorrent.Dec 11 23:29
DaemonFC[m]Like 90% of the stuff on them is to pad the list and make it look like there's stuff to watch.Dec 11 23:30
DaemonFC[m]And they all have different exclusives and you end up paying to watch certain things several times becauase it might be on 2 or 3 of them.Dec 11 23:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BMW finally announces Android Auto integration is coming in 2020 - The VergeDec 11 23:44
DaemonFC[m]8 years after Kia.Dec 11 23:44
DaemonFC[m]MinceR Her BMW doesn't have a back up camera.Dec 11 23:45
DaemonFC[m]My Kia did.Dec 11 23:45
DaemonFC[m]MinceR I may just run the Impala on E15 while gas is low.Dec 11 23:47
DaemonFC[m]It does fight back a little bit against the Saudis and Pootie Poot.Dec 11 23:47
MinceRlolDec 11 23:48
DaemonFC[m]It's not going to turn my car into a Prius or a Tesla.Dec 11 23:48
DaemonFC[m]But it's a few gallons of gasoline they don't sell me per month.Dec 11 23:48
DaemonFC[m]They're having a hard time keeping prices up because of all this fracking.Dec 11 23:49
DaemonFC[m]They aren't happy with it.Dec 11 23:49
MinceRhow much will bmw charge for android auto per year?Dec 11 23:49
DaemonFC[m]I don't know. I'm surprised they added it at all.Dec 11 23:49
MinceRso am iDec 11 23:49
DaemonFC[m]Most of the people dumb enough to buy a BMW probably spent 4 times as much and got an iPhone too.Dec 11 23:50
MinceRand could be milked every year to have their shitty car talk to their shitty phoneDec 11 23:50
DaemonFC[m]That was the planDec 11 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Apparently they were outraged at being charges for something that's free on a Kia.Dec 11 23:52
DaemonFC[m]Not the $160 oil change and the $1,000 wheel bearing and the $2,000 air conditioner wire.Dec 11 23:52
MinceRmaybe they should have bought a kia, thenDec 11 23:52
DaemonFC[m]MinceR You mean a car that's 10 years ahead of BMW, three times as reliable, and a third the cost to buy and repair?Dec 11 23:53
DaemonFC[m]Never!Dec 11 23:53
MinceR:>Dec 11 23:53
MinceRor better yet, a suzukiDec 11 23:54
DaemonFC[m]I basically had repairs all over the place on the Impala, including some of the same ones Imelda Marcos had on her Beemer.Dec 11 23:54
DaemonFC[m]And it still came out to less in the end.Dec 11 23:54
DaemonFC[m]MinceR She's like "You use use synthetic oil in that!?". I said, "Yeah, $48 was a but of a splurge but AAA really made the case for it.".Dec 11 23:56
DaemonFC[m]*bitDec 11 23:56
DaemonFC[m]The Euro oil is more expensive why exactly?Dec 11 23:56
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Dec 11 23:57
MinceRfuel is more expensive here as wellDec 11 23:57
DaemonFC[m]Besides needing 7 quarts in a 6 cylinder engine to compensate for the oil burning new engine.Dec 11 23:57
DaemonFC[m]Her husband was talking about the car using oil. I asked him if he was going to get it fixed.Dec 11 23:58
DaemonFC[m]He's like "Oh that's normal.". I said, "Not on anything I've ever driven."Dec 11 23:58
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR BMW put the oil filter on top of the engine.Dec 11 23:59
DaemonFC[m]It's a "feature", even though that's not efficient because gravity.Dec 11 23:59

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