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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: so they have got smart where insurance and registeration are 100 percent integrated like Australia. As in cancel third party insurance early you automatically cancel registration. | Jan 12 00:49 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm: I canceled the insurance on that Kia as soon as I abandoned it at the dealer. | Jan 12 00:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John might have redeemed the car not, but I'm certainly not going to pay for insurance on a car that I lost because he accused me of a crime that I had to spend all of my money defending myself against. :P | Jan 12 00:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *note | Jan 12 00:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He got the car back. He can figure out how to pay for that and the insurance. | Jan 12 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can order me not to talk to him again. | Jan 12 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they can't order me to pay any of his bills. | Jan 12 00:55 |
| oiaohm | We don't have registration sticker here any more they purely work by scanning number plate against database if you are registered or not. Inside 1 hour of canceling you third party insurance you can be pulled up for driving without registration here. | Jan 12 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Plate scanners? | Jan 12 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Indiana doesn't have them except in some police cars. | Jan 12 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Depends on the city. | Jan 12 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unless you drive by a state trooper. They have the latest stuff. | Jan 12 00:56 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: our police are stated wide not city by city. Plate scanners standard feature of our police cars and other locations. | Jan 12 00:56 |
| psydroid | <MinceR "we'll have to invent a new web a"> if only the inventors of the current web had the guts to make this incarnation obsolete, then it could be buried together with Google's dead corpse | Jan 12 00:58 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: not that simple. one of the biggest barriors to changing the internet/web is legacy hardware. | Jan 12 01:02 |
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| oiaohm | psydroid: http://multipath-tcp.org/data/MultipathTCP-netsys.pdf please note google and others are working on changing the internet as well. This could in theory make devices more trackable. | Jan 12 01:09 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19081634 | Jan 12 01:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 12 01:25 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://summit.news/2019/08/14/volkswagen-commercial-banned-in-uk-because-it-shows-woman-caring-for-a-baby/ | Jan 12 01:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-summit.news | Volkswagen Commercial Banned in UK Because it Shows Woman Caring For a Baby – Summit News | Jan 12 01:38 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Ads showing an attractive woman in a bikini are banned on the London Underground, but ads promoting the homophobic country of Brunei which stones gay people to death are also fine." | Jan 12 01:38 |
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| Hail_Spacecake | the mayor of london is a muslim | Jan 12 01:45 |
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| oiaohm | https://www.amazon.com.au/Thinkgeek-Canned-Unicorn-Meat-Ounce/dp/B0089KZPNU <ok sometimes you just think something a joke but heck someone was warped enough to make a product like that. | Jan 12 01:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ThinkGeek Easy-Open Canned Unicorn Meat: Excellent Source of Sparkles, Magic in Every Bite, 5.5 Ounce - Stuffed Plush Toy: Amazon.com.au: Electronics | Jan 12 01:50 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | > DaemonFC: our police are stated wide not city by city. Plate scanners standard feature of our police cars and other locations. | Jan 12 02:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Under Indiana law, towns/cities can agree to deputize any law enforcement officer from another Indiana jurisdiction. | Jan 12 02:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When there's a big gathering at Fort Wayne, they deputize officers from other police agencies for the evening. | Jan 12 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Generally, other than that, they only have jurisdiction outside their city limits if they were pursuing you for a crime already. | Jan 12 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In rural areas, it's the Sheriff's Department that is responsible for law enforcement, but they can arrest people in the towns within that county. | Jan 12 02:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Indiana has a lot of levels of government. They're slowly chipping away at it. | Jan 12 02:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They passed a state law to combine all the various 911 call centers into a county dispatch and they're getting rid of township tax assessments. | Jan 12 02:21 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19081617 | Jan 12 02:42 |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/05/2ab462bbc2e26a0a.png | Jan 12 03:15 |
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| danielp3344 | MinceR: that one is getting overused lately | Jan 12 03:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have no idea why the Russians would want Chechnya, much less enough to fight to keep it. | Jan 12 03:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Uncivilized, 95% Muslim. | Jan 12 03:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "No, wait! Come back!" | Jan 12 03:47 |
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| MinceR | for the same reason they want ukraine | Jan 12 04:40 |
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| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/04/1f09a56366b0b7d5.jpg | Jan 12 04:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The population of Russia is collapsing and their economy is in reverse, so they need new territory? | Jan 12 05:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, the Russian population is going down by 700 people every day. | Jan 12 05:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.newsweek.com/russia-population-death-birth-migration-statistics-1447362 | Jan 12 05:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsweek.com | Russian Authorities Are Hiding True Death Stats To Conceal 'Catastrophic' Population Loss: Official | Jan 12 05:07 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.newsweek.com/russia-vladimir-putin-lgbt-laws-gender-1446595 | Jan 12 05:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsweek.com | Vladimir Putin: Russia Has No Problem With 'LGBT Persons' but Kids 'Playing 5 or 6 Gender Roles' is 'Excessive' | Jan 12 05:08 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Putin: We love the gays so much we banned their vile propaganda and ignore extrajudicial killings! | Jan 12 05:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those evil Muslim pig fuckers in Chechnya are apparently the most homophobic of all. Not surprising. | Jan 12 05:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're setting up "concentration camps" and at least several dozen people are "missing", presumed dead. It's probably a lot worse. | Jan 12 05:11 |
| Hail_Spacecake | muslims wouldn't fuck pigs, they see pigs as unclean | Jan 12 05:12 |
| Hail_Spacecake | well, maybe the culturally-muslim equivalent of a satanist would, but only as a reaction to the taboo status of pigs | Jan 12 05:12 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I just said it like that....not literally. Just morally contemptible barbaric worthless people. | Jan 12 05:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're the trash of the Abrahamic religions. How sad is that? | Jan 12 05:21 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: putler needs to convince his dumbass jingoist followers that he's worth supporting | Jan 12 06:08 |
| MinceR | and the jingoist dumbasses need validation | Jan 12 06:08 |
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| MinceR | (i guess it's cheaper to wage pointless wars than kill enough malcontents to avoid a revolution) | Jan 12 06:09 |
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| schestowitz | [06:09] <MinceR> (i guess it's cheaper to wage pointless wars than kill enough malcontents to avoid a revolution) | Jan 12 06:27 |
| schestowitz | malnutrition | Jan 12 06:27 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 12 06:28 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, and they even brag about the train food, but train food in Russia looked insanely expensive | Jan 12 08:12 |
| scientes | and yes, I did sleep in | Jan 12 08:13 |
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| scientes | wtf | Jan 12 09:49 |
| scientes | apparently diet coke explodes if you add sugar | Jan 12 09:49 |
| scientes | i thought you needed mentos to do that | Jan 12 09:50 |
| scientes | i accidentally bought diet coke so i tried to add sugar to make it normal | Jan 12 09:50 |
| scientes | that was a mistake | Jan 12 09:50 |
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| scientes | all the carbonation came out at once for some reason | Jan 12 09:55 |
| oiaohm | scientes: that not exactly explode. | Jan 12 09:56 |
| oiaohm | scientes: adding suger to almost all carbonated stuff causes massive release | Jan 12 09:56 |
| oiaohm | Basically you have to add all you want in suger before you add the Co2 or add the suger in liquid form | Jan 12 09:57 |
| scientes | but why? | Jan 12 09:57 |
| oiaohm | scientes: its what called nucleation https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-business-of-fizziness-find-your-sodas-fizz/ salt, suger, mentos .... the list goes on. | Jan 12 10:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scientificamerican.com | The Business of Fizziness: Find Your Soda's Fizz! - Scientific American | Jan 12 10:00 | |
| scientes | so adding and solute will release the co2? | Jan 12 10:00 |
| oiaohm | liquid form no surface for nucleation so no mass release of co2. | Jan 12 10:01 |
| scientes | anyways, now i have a sticky floor problem | Jan 12 10:01 |
| scientes | but i have to wait for it to evaporate | Jan 12 10:01 |
| oiaohm | Normally I clean that up while it wet. | Jan 12 10:02 |
| scientes | hopefully not too sticky as i had just started adding sugar | Jan 12 10:02 |
| oiaohm | Letting it dry can just make it a lot harder to remove. | Jan 12 10:02 |
| scientes | why | Jan 12 10:02 |
| scientes | sugar dissolves quickylu | Jan 12 10:02 |
| oiaohm | Depends coloring and other items in the drink. | Jan 12 10:02 |
| scientes | and now it will just spread out | Jan 12 10:02 |
| scientes | if i tried to soak it up | Jan 12 10:03 |
| oiaohm | Ie coloring can soak into the surface if you leave it there., | Jan 12 10:03 |
| oiaohm | Moping it up its the best course of action. | Jan 12 10:03 |
| scientes | its tile | Jan 12 10:03 |
| oiaohm | Acids in coke I have seen stain different tiles. | Jan 12 10:04 |
| scientes | geeze | Jan 12 10:04 |
| oiaohm | The acids in coke letting the coloring in coke into different tiles. | Jan 12 10:04 |
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| oiaohm | Basically I know you don't want to here it but the best action is really clean it up while it wet and fairly quickly. | Jan 12 10:05 |
| oiaohm | scientes: lot of places if you know where to look you will find coke and coffee stains in tiles. | Jan 12 10:07 |
| oiaohm | That only happens if you don't clean those off while they are wet. | Jan 12 10:08 |
| oiaohm | as they dry the acid increases in strength until they over come the protective layer on the tile. | Jan 12 10:08 |
| scientes | the hesitation was actually much simpler: I didn't know how to use a mop | Jan 12 10:10 |
| scientes | but it wasn't that hard | Jan 12 10:10 |
| oiaohm | In lot of work places I have just ruined a toilet roll or paper towel when there was no mop. | Jan 12 10:13 |
| scientes | I know the paper cabal promotes that, but it is really wasteful | Jan 12 10:13 |
| oiaohm | Having to rip up and replace tile because its in a entry way is in fact way more wasteful. | Jan 12 10:14 |
| oiaohm | just becuase it got stained. | Jan 12 10:14 |
| scientes | i still don't quite believe you that coke is that nasty | Jan 12 10:14 |
| scientes | that it can stain tile | Jan 12 10:14 |
| oiaohm | coke is a fun item. 1 it can stain tile. 2 used carefully it can remove stains from tile. | Jan 12 10:16 |
| oiaohm | scientes: please note not all tiles are created equal some coke cannot stain its due to the coating done in the tile making process what its resistance is. | Jan 12 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Some of your custom business logo tiles don't have the greatest coating on them. | Jan 12 10:20 |
| oiaohm | scientes: basically if you don't know what the tile is it safer to presume it one that will stain and be wrong than presume that it one that will not stain and be wrong. | Jan 12 10:21 |
| oiaohm | scientes: https://www.builddirect.com/learning-center/flooring/remove-stains-from-ceramic-porcelain-tile/ do note they note here "porous finish" You get tiles with porous and non porous finish. Porous finish has a very light to no coating to cover come. | Jan 12 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.builddirect.com | How to Remove Tough Stains from Ceramic and Porcelain Tile - Learning CenterLearning Center | Jan 12 10:26 | |
| oiaohm | What tiles did you spill the coke on and are you 100 percent sure one what those are. | Jan 12 10:26 |
| oiaohm | scientes: in a house with messes with coke and other drinks I have using normal bathmats/towels for clean up as well. Once you think a little finding something to clean these mess up quickly is simple. Not cleaning it up quickly and having to do tile or other surface replacements is not. | Jan 12 10:29 |
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| scientes | ugggh, why is soundcloud such a piece of shit? | Jan 12 11:05 |
| scientes | its pretty sure its doing decoding in javascript or some other nonsense | Jan 12 11:10 |
| scientes | i've got this brand new laptop | Jan 12 11:15 |
| scientes | and yet "web technologies" means it can't even play a fucking mp3 | Jan 12 11:16 |
| scientes | like 150% cpu for playing a damn mp3 | Jan 12 11:17 |
| scientes | its rediculous | Jan 12 11:17 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: https://github.com/fasterthanlime/jsmad so one of these horrible decoders. | Jan 12 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - fasterthanlime/jsmad: Javascript MPEG-1 Audio Layer III (mp3) and ID3v2 decoder | Jan 12 11:45 | |
| scientes | it is so stupid | Jan 12 11:46 |
| scientes | just use <audio> | Jan 12 11:46 |
| scientes | it is th ere for a reason | Jan 12 11:46 |
| oiaohm | scientes: Not exactly do note the date of jsmad starting was before mp3 patents expired. | Jan 12 11:47 |
| scientes | " | Jan 12 11:48 |
| scientes | JSMad was the first proof that JavaScript audio decoding is possible and is a port of libmad, a C based MPEG audio decoder. MP3 is probably the most common audio format out there. It is designed for small file sizes but compromises on quality." | Jan 12 11:48 |
| oiaohm | http://audiocogs.org/codecs/ this you would not expect to give 150cpu decideing mp3. | Jan 12 11:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-audiocogs.org | Codecs — Audiocogs | Jan 12 11:48 | |
| scientes | bullshit, mp3 was designed for low cpu use | Jan 12 11:48 |
| XRevan86 | Just use <audio>… with Vorbis/Opus | Jan 12 11:49 |
| scientes | because that mattered at the time | Jan 12 11:49 |
| scientes | and Opus is totally bad-ass | Jan 12 11:49 |
| oiaohm | scientes: low cpu usage is wrong some of mp3 encode was designed for low cpu usage some was design to focus on qualify + compression screw cpu usage. | Jan 12 11:49 |
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| scientes | except opus is WAY better | Jan 12 11:50 |
| scientes | and they aren't even compiling with emscripten | Jan 12 11:50 |
| scientes | its madness | Jan 12 11:50 |
| scientes | massive wastes of talent | Jan 12 11:50 |
| scientes | and opus is a real-time codec | Jan 12 11:52 |
| scientes | and yet it still is way better than the high-latency mp3 | Jan 12 11:52 |
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| scientes | oh opus has multi-channel coupling now | Jan 12 11:54 |
| scientes | that is new | Jan 12 11:54 |
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| scientes | opus is amazing cause it does friggen everything | Jan 12 11:56 |
| scientes | including stuff that no-one had done before (like time vs frequency tradeoffs *mid-stream*) | Jan 12 11:56 |
| oiaohm | scientes: you do have to wonder how often sites update emscripten is 2012 and latter. | Jan 12 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Remember jsmad I pointed to is before that. | Jan 12 11:57 |
| scientes | still a huge waste of everyones time and energy | Jan 12 11:57 |
| oiaohm | http://audiocogs.org/codecs/ there are updated versions that do use emscripten when it makes sense. | Jan 12 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Like it or not if it works websites get left alone they fix them when they break maybe unfortunately | Jan 12 11:58 |
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| scientes | Does Opus make all those other lossy codecs obsolete? | Jan 12 12:02 |
| scientes | Yes. | Jan 12 12:02 |
| scientes | exactly | Jan 12 12:02 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Opus_quality_comparison_colorblind_compatible.svg Not quite. AMR-NB and AMR-WB still are closed and beat Opus in low bandwidth stuff like speech. | Jan 12 12:08 |
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| scientes | hardly | Jan 12 12:08 |
| scientes | and that is super-low-bandwidth | Jan 12 12:08 |
| scientes | like cell phones and ONLY when super congested | Jan 12 12:09 |
| scientes | cause opus does even have packet loss redundency modes | Jan 12 12:09 |
| scientes | cause its friggen insane | Jan 12 12:09 |
| scientes | and does everything | Jan 12 12:09 |
| scientes | it also has dual-channel mode, which mp3 does not | Jan 12 12:09 |
| oiaohm | Opus in combination with codec2 gives quite full coverage. | Jan 12 12:10 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: http://www.rowetel.com/?page_id=452 low bandwidth area there is still a lot of competition. | Jan 12 12:13 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: intresting problem with codec2 is that is compresses the stuff that much that packets become you transfer problem not the contents. | Jan 12 12:14 |
| scientes | so how exactly do turbo codes work? | Jan 12 12:15 |
| scientes | cause he is pretending like all the data gets to the other side | Jan 12 12:15 |
| scientes | which is far from true | Jan 12 12:15 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: codec2 is mega lousy codec focused on speech getting across. | Jan 12 12:17 |
| scientes | then why not just use text messaging? | Jan 12 12:17 |
| scientes | its a lot lower bit rate | Jan 12 12:17 |
| scientes | " There was a time in the 1990s when I could identify every major mp3 encoder by sound (back when they were all pretty bad), and could demonstrate this reliably in double-blind testing [2]." | Jan 12 12:18 |
| scientes | wow | Jan 12 12:18 |
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| scientes | hahahaha https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html | Jan 12 12:20 |
| oiaohm | scientes: 700 bits/s and its audio is codec2 and it does not need that large of a processor to run it. | Jan 12 12:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-people.xiph.org | 24/192 Music Downloads are Very Silly Indeed | Jan 12 12:20 | |
| scientes | compares audiofreaks to people demanding a monitor that can emit x-rays | Jan 12 12:20 |
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| oiaohm | HF and VHF radio puts you with a max transfer rate of 5000 bit/s. | Jan 12 12:21 |
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| oiaohm | and that is if everything is going you way. | Jan 12 12:21 |
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| oiaohm | Low bandwitdh digital audio is a true challange. | Jan 12 12:22 |
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| scientes | https://xiph.org/video/vid2.shtml | Jan 12 12:29 |
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| scientes | that is a really high quality video | Jan 12 12:38 |
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| scientes | well he actually covers that whole video in like 1 minute here https://xiph.org/video/vid1.shtml | Jan 12 13:00 |
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| scientes | and is pretty convincing if you aren't stupid | Jan 12 13:00 |
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| scientes | he still didn't mention turbo codes | Jan 12 13:01 |
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| kaniini | schestowitz: https://www.brightworkresearch.com has a lot of good content about all of the enterprise software vendors | Jan 12 13:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.brightworkresearch.com | Fact Checking for Technology Solutions • Brightwork Research & Analysis | Jan 12 13:33 | |
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| smnthermes | Does anyone recommend other channels? I'm new on IRC | Jan 12 15:04 |
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| cybrNaut | smnthermes: do you know about alis? | Jan 12 15:13 |
| cybrNaut | to find channels, do /msg alis list *topic* | Jan 12 15:14 |
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| cybrNaut | and do /msg alis help (for the syntax) | Jan 12 15:15 |
| cybrNaut | since you are in #techrights, you might also like #fsf #security #gnu #creativecommons #netneutrality | Jan 12 15:18 |
| cybrNaut | #boycottCloudflare | Jan 12 15:19 |
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| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/04/62da13b41cc7ebfe.mp4 | Jan 12 15:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Are they said cartoon logic is useless. | Jan 12 15:37 |
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| MinceR | :> | Jan 12 16:08 |
| MinceR | (audio:music only) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/04/7972d20a0252845c.mp4 | Jan 12 16:14 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/647503.jpg | Jan 12 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: nice... | Jan 12 16:46 |
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| scientes | their web site also breaks copy-paste | Jan 12 16:55 |
| scientes | which is annoying | Jan 12 16:56 |
| scientes | I really dislike when i have to disable javascript to use a site | Jan 12 16:56 |
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| scientes | Boeing MAX 737 | Jan 12 16:59 |
| scientes | ^^^^^^^ | Jan 12 16:59 |
| scientes | because writing software is not part of the software business | Jan 12 17:00 |
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| scientes | > As an example, Oracle has a good database. However, it is one of the least reliable vendors in terms of information provided. | Jan 12 17:05 |
| scientes | heh | Jan 12 17:05 |
| scientes | why don't people get that its either open source or .... there is no other solution | Jan 12 17:05 |
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| scientes | if you don't have the source code you are the fool | Jan 12 17:05 |
| scientes | it all fits the Brazil TCO microsoft as "drug pushers" claim | Jan 12 17:06 |
| scientes | that is all non-free software | Jan 12 17:06 |
| scientes | so you don't need a research company | Jan 12 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | [16:59] <scientes> Boeing MAX 737 | Jan 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz | yes, software buf | Jan 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz | bug | Jan 12 17:09 |
| scientes | its not a bug | Jan 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz | cautionary tale | Jan 12 17:09 |
| scientes | its a problem of doing things fundamentally wrong | Jan 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz | cost savings | Jan 12 17:09 |
| scientes | its called moving all costs to externalities | Jan 12 17:09 |
| scientes | hahahahahaha, SAP stole all the loot https://www.brightworkresearch.com/saphana/2019/09/07/the-hidden-s-4hana-home24-and-kps-failure/#Executive_Summary | Jan 12 17:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.brightworkresearch.com | The Hidden S/4HANA Home24 and KPS Failure • Brightwork | SAP HANA | Jan 12 17:11 | |
| scientes | > On the hotline, before you can talk to anyone, you are asked by the system if your order was made before the 20th or April. | Jan 12 17:12 |
| scientes | hahahahahahahaha | Jan 12 17:12 |
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| MinceR | what's worse than having to disable javascript to use a site is having to enable javascript to use a site :> | Jan 12 17:15 |
| scientes | they handed the keys to SAP, and then the founders sold all their stocks | Jan 12 17:18 |
| scientes | hahahahahaha | Jan 12 17:18 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 12 17:20 |
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| scientes | "The key distinctions between HANA and previous generation SAP systems are that it is a column-oriented, in-memory database" | Jan 12 17:28 |
| scientes | LOL | Jan 12 17:28 |
| scientes | why does anyone pay money for that? | Jan 12 17:28 |
| scientes | you can just download memcached | Jan 12 17:28 |
| scientes | its really simple stuff | Jan 12 17:28 |
| psydroid | because of vendor lock-in | Jan 12 17:29 |
| scientes | and kyotocabinet allows backing memcached with disk storage too | Jan 12 17:29 |
| MinceR | because they believe that if they didn't pay a ton of money for it then it is worthless | Jan 12 17:30 |
| XRevan86 | Всё, хана | Jan 12 17:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: redis? | Jan 12 17:31 |
| scientes | i'm talking about something far simpler | Jan 12 17:31 |
| scientes | memcached and kyotocabinet with kyototycoon | Jan 12 17:31 |
| scientes | lol, SAP has their own language they push on clients | Jan 12 17:36 |
| *scientes thought Java was bad | Jan 12 17:37 | |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABAP#ABAP_syntax | Jan 12 17:41 |
| scientes | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha | Jan 12 17:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | ABAP - Wikipedia | Jan 12 17:41 | |
| scientes | my god | Jan 12 17:41 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 12 17:41 |
| MinceR | it's like COBOL | Jan 12 17:41 |
| scientes | I bet the consultants just generate it from C | Jan 12 17:41 |
| scientes | it requires too much skill to make this shit up | Jan 12 17:42 |
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| scientes | when the truth is so bad you know it ISNT a joke | Jan 12 17:42 |
| scientes | REPLACE 'A' WITH 'B' INTO: LASTNAME, FIRSTNAME, CITYNAME. | Jan 12 17:42 |
| scientes | WRITE 'Hello World'. | Jan 12 17:43 |
| scientes | my god it is horrible | Jan 12 17:43 |
| scientes | ADD TAX TO PRICE. | Jan 12 17:43 |
| scientes | ^^^^^^^^only god knows what that statement actually does | Jan 12 17:43 |
| XRevan86 | turns out, it's PRICE += TAX | Jan 12 17:44 |
| scientes | but where are the types? | Jan 12 17:45 |
| scientes | and the declarations? | Jan 12 17:45 |
| XRevan86 | Could be addition, could be concatenation | Jan 12 17:45 |
| scientes | and the memory locations? | Jan 12 17:45 |
| XRevan86 | > Open SQL is a set of ABAP statements that performs operations like reads, modifies or deletes data in the SAP database. | Jan 12 17:46 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder what's open about it | Jan 12 17:46 |
| scientes | XRevan86, its like the Democratic Republic of the Congo | Jan 12 17:46 |
| scientes | I'm just wondering who could possibly write this stuff? | Jan 12 17:47 |
| scientes | cause its not like they can find even highly paid competent people that would do this | Jan 12 17:47 |
| scientes | they can only find incompetent people that would do this for money | Jan 12 17:47 |
| scientes | and quantity of money | Jan 12 17:47 |
| MinceR | it's probably open like OpenVMS and OOXML | Jan 12 17:48 |
| oiaohm | ABAP is basically COBOL mixed with SQL ideas with some object C thrown in where every stuff does not work work right. | Jan 12 17:48 |
| scientes | now i get why people are so skeptical of new languages | Jan 12 17:49 |
| XRevan86 | Makes https://programmist1s.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/kos-1s.png look adequate in comparison. | Jan 12 17:50 |
| scientes | holey moley | Jan 12 17:50 |
| scientes | the lack of clarifying syntax is really scary | Jan 12 17:50 |
| scientes | XRevan86, do you work with that stuff? | Jan 12 17:51 |
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| scientes | and is it just a overload of another language? | Jan 12 17:51 |
| scientes | cause I can sort of get it | Jan 12 17:51 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No, I'm very far from that 1C: Enterprise stuff | Jan 12 17:51 |
| MinceR | i'm really tired of hip new languages all built on the concept of "feature X is evil so we've made a hip and cool new language to prevent you from using it!" | Jan 12 17:52 |
| MinceR | as if using a language that has a given feature forced me to use it | Jan 12 17:53 |
| scientes | yeah, I am still excited about zig | Jan 12 17:53 |
| scientes | but I think its best to be excited without actually using i t | Jan 12 17:53 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's not very original as you can see | Jan 12 17:53 |
| XRevan86 | if then endif | Jan 12 17:54 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: that whould not happen to be C# in russian? | Jan 12 17:54 |
| scientes | XRevan86, well these days with clang and llvm you could actually do something like that that worked | Jan 12 17:54 |
| XRevan86 | For A=1 to 3 Cycle | Jan 12 17:54 |
| XRevan86 | EndCycle; | Jan 12 17:54 |
| scientes | if it just transpiled into a stable language | Jan 12 17:54 |
| scientes | like C or java | Jan 12 17:54 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Come on, this looks nothing like C# | Jan 12 17:55 |
| XRevan86 | This is the Built-in Programming Language of 1C:Enterprise | Jan 12 17:55 |
| XRevan86 | It's really hard to find anything on it in English (I wonder why?) | Jan 12 17:57 |
| scientes | i did | Jan 12 17:57 |
| scientes | it was easy too | Jan 12 17:57 |
| scientes | but super boring | Jan 12 17:58 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: wrote C# when I should have typed like vb.net. There are a stack of I mangle the crap out of .net making something that does not look .net that is. | Jan 12 18:00 |
| oiaohm | I have not seen 1C:Enterprise language ever before. | Jan 12 18:00 |
| oiaohm | But I have seen a lot of stupidly mangled .net | Jan 12 18:01 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It does look like VB.NET | Jan 12 18:02 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: I have seen about 40 different syntax transforms .net | Jan 12 18:05 |
| scientes | why are people so scared of native code? | Jan 12 18:06 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: I am just being unable to remember the exact one but there is one that looks fairly close to that one. | Jan 12 18:06 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It is just a VM, so any syntax goes | Jan 12 18:06 |
| XRevan86 | A very-very invasive VM | Jan 12 18:06 |
| scientes | interpreters are not stupid, but I don't why to use them for general purpose stuff | Jan 12 18:06 |
| scientes | VMs make the most sense when you have some highly domain specific stuff | Jan 12 18:07 |
| scientes | or rather interpreters | Jan 12 18:07 |
| oiaohm | scientes: lot of it was when we had more cpu diversity. | Jan 12 18:07 |
| scientes | yeah but you can also use llvm or gcc | Jan 12 18:07 |
| oiaohm | and the habit stuck. | Jan 12 18:07 |
| scientes | and that glosses over the differences | Jan 12 18:07 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Jan 12 18:07 |
| scientes | quite a bit it does | Jan 12 18:08 |
| oiaohm | autotools from gnu was a demo in using m4 to detect and transform C stuff around for platform differences. | Jan 12 18:08 |
| scientes | I need a better tool for unsticking keys | Jan 12 18:08 |
| oiaohm | Historic diversity causes kind of a fear of native platform code due to it being a major pain the ass due to the level of differences. | Jan 12 18:08 |
| scientes | its really annoying | Jan 12 18:08 |
| scientes | but most of those problems are not with native code | Jan 12 18:09 |
| oiaohm | Good mechanical keyboard or something really cheap. | Jan 12 18:09 |
| scientes | but rather shitty uunix diversity | Jan 12 18:09 |
| oiaohm | scientes: exactly and the jvm and the like hid that stuff. | Jan 12 18:09 |
| scientes | its actually my mouse right now that is giving me problems | Jan 12 18:09 |
| scientes | oiaohm, or you can just install a sane system | Jan 12 18:09 |
| scientes | like linux | Jan 12 18:09 |
| oiaohm | You don't happen to have a mouse with a wondering control board. | Jan 12 18:10 |
| scientes | oh its that i am leaning on the right button | Jan 12 18:10 |
| scientes | just figured it out | Jan 12 18:10 |
| scientes | i don't have to click it for it to be pressed | Jan 12 18:11 |
| oiaohm | I got a new mouse recently that was giving me that trouble when I disasmebled it cable was run under circuit board causing board to walk around kind of randomally around inside the mouse. | Jan 12 18:11 |
| XRevan86 | You know what's great for platform diversity? A very undiverse .NET | Jan 12 18:11 |
| oiaohm | So randomally changing the mouse buttons on a 9 button mouse. | Jan 12 18:11 |
| scientes | XRevan86, and java, et cetera | Jan 12 18:11 |
| oiaohm | is not not exactly fun. | Jan 12 18:11 |
| kaniini | cat foo | ssh bar@baz tee foo &>/dev/null | Jan 12 18:11 |
| scientes | but these platforms actually suck | Jan 12 18:11 |
| kaniini | fucking lifehack right there | Jan 12 18:11 |
| scientes | like i remember when java was the one thing on linux that was super buggy | Jan 12 18:12 |
| scientes | especially the GUIs | Jan 12 18:12 |
| scientes | so I never really drank the cool aid after i saw that | Jan 12 18:12 |
| oiaohm | Java GUI were buggy everywhere not just Linux. | Jan 12 18:12 |
| oiaohm | I managed to break windows with a Java GUI. | Jan 12 18:12 |
| MinceR | i thought they came pre-broken | Jan 12 18:14 |
| scientes | im' about to just break off this right button | Jan 12 18:22 |
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| scientes | https://helloclue.com/articles/cycle-a-z/myth-moon-phases-menstruation | Jan 12 18:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-helloclue.com | The myth of moon phases and menstruation | Jan 12 18:44 | |
| scientes | that is a shit load of data | Jan 12 18:48 |
| scientes | although i believe china has most due to enforcing the one (now two) child policy | Jan 12 18:48 |
| scientes | *more | Jan 12 18:48 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I used that HotJava browser for a while. | Jan 12 18:51 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19081224 | Jan 12 18:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 12 18:53 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: was ist https://programmist1s.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/kos-1s.png | Jan 12 18:58 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Das ist 1C:Unternehmen | Jan 12 18:59 |
| schestowitz | rushan hax0rz codez | Jan 12 18:59 |
| XRevan86 | It's close to SAP by nature, as 1C writes stuff for accounting | Jan 12 19:00 |
| XRevan86 | "managing one's enterprise" | Jan 12 19:01 |
| schestowitz | very boring software to write | Jan 12 19:01 |
| schestowitz | even sap's ceo had said that | Jan 12 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | Is that why they try the craziest things? | Jan 12 19:02 |
| schestowitz | that this KIND of software, accounting, would not attract FOSS geeks | Jan 12 19:02 |
| schestowitz | but we got many decent CRMs since | Jan 12 19:02 |
| schestowitz | SugarCRM went proprietary | Jan 12 19:02 |
| schestowitz | but suiecrm as its fork | Jan 12 19:02 |
| schestowitz | suitecrm | Jan 12 19:02 |
| schestowitz | oodo and other add to the whole | Jan 12 19:02 |
| schestowitz | i know someone, remotely, who managed at sap | Jan 12 19:03 |
| schestowitz | veeery boring person | Jan 12 19:03 |
| scientes | I wish it was easier to use qemu | Jan 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: did you write somewhere about what you had left fediverse? | Jan 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | scientes: front ends? | Jan 12 19:05 |
| scientes | like just getting a serial console working | Jan 12 19:05 |
| scientes | its annoying to read the docs every time | Jan 12 19:05 |
| schestowitz | write a shell script | Jan 12 19:05 |
| schestowitz | and just use that, we do that for techrights qemu | Jan 12 19:06 |
| scientes | then i have to write a shell script each time | Jan 12 19:06 |
| scientes | i just want the most basic setups to be a little more automatic | Jan 12 19:06 |
| MinceR | https://hugelol.com/lol/647609 | Jan 12 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hugelol.com | Lord works in mysterious ways | Jan 12 19:16 | |
| XRevan86 | From right to left | Jan 12 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | Either Orthodox or Whateverism | Jan 12 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | https://hugelol.com/lol/647609/comment/2597239 hah | Jan 12 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hugelol.com | Lord works in mysterious ways | Jan 12 19:43 | |
| XRevan86 | > you go to your left shoulder first and then to the right one, a proper christian would see thought this bluff immediately | Jan 12 19:43 |
| XRevan86 | An ignorant commenter doesn't realise of the Christian cross sign direction controversy | Jan 12 19:43 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 12 19:45 |
| MinceR | i didn't know about it either | Jan 12 19:45 |
| XRevan86 | > There are two principal forms: one—three fingers, right to left—is exclusively used the Eastern Orthodox Church, Church of the East and the Eastern Rite (Catholic) churches in the Byzantine, Assyrian and Chaldean traditions; the other—left to right to middle, other than three fingers—is the one used in the Latin Rite (Catholic) churches, Lutheranism, Anglicanism and in Oriental Orthodoxy. | Jan 12 19:47 |
| scientes | im going to hve to get a new mouse | Jan 12 19:49 |
| scientes | god damn it | Jan 12 19:49 |
| MinceR | i didn't even realize the swipe was supposed to be disguised as a cross | Jan 12 19:49 |
| scientes | i didn't know the three finger thing until recently | Jan 12 19:51 |
| scientes | when someone who took it seriously let me know | Jan 12 19:51 |
| MinceR | the three finger thing i know is ctrl+alt+del | Jan 12 19:52 |
| scientes | hehe | Jan 12 19:52 |
| scientes | also a muslim praying in the "wrong" direction would still be facing mecca | Jan 12 19:52 |
| scientes | as earth is a sphere | Jan 12 19:52 |
| MinceR | shouldn't they aim toward mecca in a direct line through the planet? | Jan 12 19:53 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tematagi#Antipode_of_Mecca | Jan 12 19:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Tematagi - Wikipedia | Jan 12 19:53 | |
| MinceR | then again, maybe they believe the earth is flat | Jan 12 19:53 |
| MinceR | disc or rectangle or something | Jan 12 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | An obligatory reference: https://youtu.be/a50qT9bW2Qo?t=1528 | Jan 12 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Иван Васильевич меняет профессию (комедия, реж. Леонид Гайдай, 1973 г.) - YouTube | Jan 12 19:54 | |
| scientes | heh | Jan 12 19:55 |
| scientes | MinceR, arabic astronomers were way ahead in their times | Jan 12 19:56 |
| scientes | especially in order to do great circle calculations for this very purpose | Jan 12 19:56 |
| MinceR | key word: "were" | Jan 12 19:56 |
| MinceR | also, why do great circle calculations if you recognize the planet is a spheroid and the closest way would be through it :> | Jan 12 19:57 |
| scientes | MinceR, because that would require people to pray by putting their heads up their asses | Jan 12 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: That reminds me of that episode of Babylon 5 where Londo buys a plant that G'Kar needs for a religious ritual. Tells him that this holy plant whose seeds must be burned as incense is "delightful when you mix it with alcohol". The whole episode says that in G'Kar's religion they must perform the ritual at the exact time the sunlight passes a certain point their home world. Sinclair manages to confiscate it from | Jan 12 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Londo because it's a narcotic, and give it to G'Kar, who is still furious because it's too late. Then Sinclair reminds him that light from a star never stops traveling, and the light that passed by that place on their home world 8 years ago is hitting the station at a particular time. So he accepts the "loophole" and performs the ritual with the other Narn on the station. | Jan 12 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Arab world was the civilized world for a very long time. But it's relative. Civilized compared with what? | Jan 12 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I remember that episode. | Jan 12 19:59 |
| MinceR | scientes: lol | Jan 12 19:59 |
| MinceR | they already do, though :> | Jan 12 19:59 |
| scientes | thats the joke | Jan 12 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Today, people in America look at what happened 50 years ago and go "Oh my god! That happened here!? That's despicable!". Trump's a short "flash in the pan" resurgence of the worst people in our society. They're very old now and want to honk our noses and pull our underwear over our head one last time for kicks. | Jan 12 20:00 |
| scientes | XRevan86, this is very silly humor | Jan 12 20:00 |
| scientes | i thought you said you decided you didn't like this type of humor | Jan 12 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The US is not "descending into fascism". It's re-emerging from an election gone horribly wrong. | Jan 12 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: sitcom'ish? | Jan 12 20:00 |
| MinceR | i hope it's a short resurgence and not just the latest step in things going worse and worse | Jan 12 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Besides, this is a well-known scene | Jan 12 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | A cultural reference if you may | Jan 12 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What happened was that the US had a short burst of progressive measures all passing at once and it made the old folks edgy and Trump was their answer, and he's been "partially contained" after trying to attack health care, and LGBT civil rights and all that, without a lot of success. | Jan 12 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you look at the state level, the conservatives are still getting their asses kicked. 28 states now have a much higher minimum wage. In 12 (where about half the total US population lives), the Fight for $15 won. Marijuana is legalized in more places all the time. Gerrymandering is being defeated, state by state. | Jan 12 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Virginia, the conservatives just took a bloodbath. 10 years ago, they had Bob "Transvaginal Ultrasound" McDonnell, and today there's not a Republican in charge of dog catching. | Jan 12 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which Republican governor said he was "hiking the Appalachian Trail" and then nobody from the state could get ahold of him and they found him with his mistress? Mark Sanford. Okay, so what did the Republicans do? Sent him to Congress. Of course. Family values, my big fat ass. | Jan 12 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My ex's dad had family values like these Republican men, apparently. He started a lot of families and valued them very little. | Jan 12 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The bitch of it is that if Mark Sanford was black, he'd just be another "black dad that disappeared and now you have two problems" -Former Republican Governor of Maine, Paul LePage. Actually, he said, "These black guys from New York named Shifty or Shady or something come up here for our young white girls and now you have two problems.". | Jan 12 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't remember if that was before or after he left obscene voicemails threatening to "fucking murder" their Democratic House Speaker. | Jan 12 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Republican Values" | Jan 12 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state police in Maine had to open a criminal investigation over that into their own governor. Awkward. | Jan 12 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, we get nasty politicians here. Like 80% of them are Republican and like 95% of the worst of them are Republicans. | Jan 12 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Democratic House Speaker of Illinois is the Republican bogeyman, but the funny part is that most people are like "Who the hell is Mike Madigan?" because he's so low key and polite. | Jan 12 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's been the Speaker for like, longer than I've been alive. Illinois used to be a pretty red state, then a swing state, now the Republicans barely exist. The reason for that isn't that the state took a sudden hard turn to the left. It's mostly because the Republicans are so extreme that the Democrats are the 1970s Republicans, and the state of Illinois just didn't go the way the rest of the midwest did. | Jan 12 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But in the middle of Mike Madigan's first decade, Illinois voted for Ronald Reagan twice, as did California, where Reagan was the Governor previously. | Jan 12 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Americans used to be pretty much on the same page. To the point where there have been elections in my life where the winning presidential candidate did a sweep and only lost one state. | Jan 12 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even Clinton got like, what? 378 electoral votes the first time? Well over 300 the second time too. The elections have been a lot closer lately and Bush and Trump actually both lost the popular vote and got in because of the electoral college. Without the electoral college, Republicans wouldn't have been in office since 1993. | Jan 12 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're actually dealing with a country that has left the Republicans behind as a national party. The only reason they got in since I was 9 years old is because of a constitutional quirk where the real voters are party hacks. | Jan 12 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What's been rumbling underneath the surface, quietly, slowly, is an agreement between the states to allocate their electoral votes to the popular vote winner. It's moving again because Trump has caused a lot of Republicans to lose office at the state level. | Jan 12 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Believe me, the compact is on the agenda in Virginia for sure. | Jan 12 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People are outraged that someone can lose an election and become the president anyway. So this agreement kicks in when states totaling 270 electoral votes have passed it. Then they just allocate their electoral votes the way the nation voted. The reason it's legal is because the constitution says states can allocate their electoral votes however they want. | Jan 12 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The constitution is actually very undemocratic, and until the 17th amendment, which Republicans want to repeal, it was worse. In theory, states could decide not to let you vote for the presidential electors at all. They could pass a law saying that the legislature does it. That's how the US Senate elections used to work. | Jan 12 20:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The original constitution not only set up the electoral college and counted slaves in the south who didn't have voting rights, it also said we couldn't vote for US Senators and that the state legislatures would pick them. | Jan 12 20:25 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So an up or down vote on all of Congress wasn't in the original constitution. Neither was voting rights for women (up to the states, which banned women from voting well into the 20th century), and many states said you had to be 21 to vote (which went away since 18 year olds could be drafted to go to war). Going back further, many states said only people who owned property and could pay a poll tax could vote. | Jan 12 20:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, only white men who owned property and were over 21 could vote, and they had no control over the Senate, and very little sway over who became the president. | Jan 12 20:28 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So when I hear that our constitution was a blessing from "God" or something ridiculous like that, it's like what Carlin said. "So he forgot a few things. Like slavery! Just slipped his mind. The constitution is from God and that's why it's had to be amended another 27 times.". | Jan 12 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was an extremely bad document that enfranchised about 10% of the people living in the United States, had provisions for giving slave owners more clout, said you couldn't even consider banning slavery until 1808, and slavery wasn't banned until 1865. Further, Reconstruction was sabotaged and Jim Crow took its place for about another 100 years or so. | Jan 12 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It neither secured the blessings of liberty for the people of the United States, nor promoted freedom, or democracy, or anything of the sort. It had to be patched. A lot. The people who wrote it wouldn't even recognize it now. | Jan 12 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even in modern times.... You look at all of the rights in the Bill of Rights and the other Amendments. They're all negative rights. Things the government can't do to you. Freedoms that it cannot take away. The Constitutional amendments have never been used to just generally take freedom away from a particular class of Americans. Only to expand freedom. But Republicans in Washington tried using the amendment process to | Jan 12 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ban same sex marriage and stop states from recognizing either that or a civil union. | Jan 12 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the Federal Marriage Amendment says that in modern times, the only party trying to use the Constitution to take away rights and freedoms from people, which has actually never happened before (unless you count Prohibition of alcohol, briefly), are the damned Republicans. | Jan 12 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When that ran out of steam and the Supreme Court struck down the DOMA and state laws, it's not a "local issue" according to the Republicans who tried banning it everywhere from Washington and lost. | Jan 12 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *now | Jan 12 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a federal issue or a local one, depending on where the Republicans have lost recently. | Jan 12 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > i hope it's a short resurgence and not just the latest step in things going worse and worse | Jan 12 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you look at the polls, most Americans have been so done with Trump, and his goons, and their antics, and their street violence for some time now. | Jan 12 20:38 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/647776.jpg | Jan 12 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It just takes a while to get elections that normalize things again. | Jan 12 20:39 |
| MinceR | yet they elected dump | Jan 12 20:39 |
| MinceR | sure, a minority did, but it was still significant | Jan 12 20:39 |
| MinceR | and there's the context of a global neofascist tendency | Jan 12 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Well, his party losing the House of Representatives was a major blow to his agenda. | Jan 12 20:40 |
| MinceR | yeah, there's that | Jan 12 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He can screw around with regulations and appoint people to things still, but he's done getting new laws. | Jan 12 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And regulations are subject to judicial review, and a lot of them have been struck down. | Jan 12 20:40 |
| MinceR | he did manage to bias the supreme court in favor of the fascists though | Jan 12 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In some cases. They haven't always ruled in his favor. | Jan 12 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Things can still go either way, but if anything happens and he appoints one more, it's going to be really bad. | Jan 12 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They pretend to be independent, but he's been vetting them to make sure they're all on the same page in a way that other presidents have never had to before. | Jan 12 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So their rulings are more predictable. | Jan 12 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And he's mostly choosing people who could be there for 40 years. | Jan 12 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think the lawsuits over marriage laws had to happen when it did. | Jan 12 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't believe that the Supreme Court will take it up and reverse itself now that the ruling happened. | Jan 12 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In theory, it could, but I doubt it. | Jan 12 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Roe v. Wade is in far greater danger. | Jan 12 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Conservatives can't claim that "babies are being murdered" because of gay marriage. | Jan 12 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they're pretty much just grousing about that quietly, but they get really heated up over abortion. | Jan 12 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's still hardcore anti-gay groups, but they've lost a lot of financial support now that their cause is lost. | Jan 12 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Without money, it's hard to launch a huge propaganda campaign. | Jan 12 20:48 |
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| MinceR | https://jalopnik.com/the-subaru-fucks-is-a-sweet-little-sport-wagon-1840906483 | Jan 12 22:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jalopnik.com | The Subaru FUCKS Is A Sweet Little Sport Wagon | Jan 12 22:23 | |
| danielp3344 | I saw that lol | Jan 12 22:24 |
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