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[00:00]	TR News	European Commission pushes to slash emissions by 2040 https://www.dw.com/en/european-commission-pushes-to-slash-emissions-by-2040/a-68182130 https://www.dw.com/en/what-is-carbon-capture-and-storage/a-68037973
[00:00]	TR Bot	Commission pushes to slash emissions by 2040 DW 02/06/2024
[00:00]	TR Bot	carbon: The key to a chill future? DW 02/06/2024
[00:01]	TR News	transport policy https://www.dw.com/en/critics-decry-berlin-s-behind-the-times-transport-policy/a-68186857
[00:01]	TR Bot	decry Berlin's 'behind-the-times' transport policy DW 02/06/2024
[00:02]	TR News	water shortages https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-oil-gas-water-shortages-drought-1.710167
[00:02]	TR Bot	 Gore's organization to spend $300M on climate change campaign | CBC News
[00:04]	TR News	'greenwashing' https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/greenwashing-canada-europe-c59-1.7101845
[00:04]	TR Bot	 How Canada is lagging when it comes to clamping down on 'greenwashing' | CBC News
[00:05]	TR News	Nord Stream https://www.dw.com/en/sweden-drops-nord-stream-explosions-investigation/a-68192734
[00:05]	TR Bot	drops Nord Stream explosions investigation DW 02/07/2024
[00:06]	TR News	internet restored https://www.dw.com/en/senegal-internet-restored-after-election-postponement-unrest/a-68194365
[00:06]	TR Bot	internet restored after election postponement unrest DW 02/07/2024
[00:07]	TR News	labor crisis https://www.dw.com/en/japan-bets-on-tech-immigration-as-labor-crisis-worsens/a-68194372
[00:07]	TR Bot	bets on tech, immigration as labor crisis worsens DW 02/07/2024
[00:08]	TR News	wave of strikes https://www.dw.com/en/germany-s-trade-unions-what-s-behind-the-wave-of-strikes/a-68154583
[00:08]	TR Bot	trade unions: What's behind the wave of strikes? DW 02/07/2024
[00:09]	TR News	27-hour strike https://www.dw.com/en/germany-lufthansa-ground-staff-begin-27-hour-strike/a-68189890
[00:09]	TR Bot	Lufthansa ground staff begin 27-hour strike DW 02/07/2024
[00:10]	TR News	staffing crisis https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/developmental-services-staffing-recruitment-1.7105102
[00:10]	TR Bot	 This disability support worker says long OT hours put her close to breaking point amid a staffing crisis | CBC News
[00:14]	TR News	rapid passenger growth https://www.dw.com/en/can-india-s-airports-cope-with-rapid-passenger-growth/a-68192870
[00:14]	TR Bot	India's airports cope with rapid passenger growth? DW 02/07/2024
[00:19]	TR News	"Suppose that you're interested in using BQN but you're troubled by not having any. Well, if you're an Arch linux and using emacs, the following should see you through" gemini://l-3.space/log-240211-1.gmi
[00:20]	TR News	"The terminal is configured for RGB 24 bit colors, when using terminal multiplexers (screen, tmux) you might not get 24bit colors." gemini://gmi.noulin.net/2024-02-11-my-tuis.gmi
[00:20]	TR News	"When I was in my first year, I lived on campus. It was... strange. This was during the time people still cared about COVID transmission, so things were quiet. Maybe or maybe not quieter than they otherwise would have been; it's hard to tell. But if nothing else, having a home on the same property as all my classes was incredibly valuable." gemini://njms.ca/gemlog/2024-02-11.gmi
[00:21]	TR News	"So, today I spent part of my day generating (part of) a labyrinth for The Fantasy Trip using the die drop chart in the bottom of the TFT Legacy Edition Box." gemini://consp.org/blog/2024/2024-02-10-generating-random-tft-labyrinths-using-the-drop-chart-in-the-bottom-of-the-tft-legacy-edition-box.gmi
[00:22]	TR News	"i've taken my fridge for granted all these years. a little introspection mixed with some spirituality and i've started looking for more primitive; more natural ways of doing things. food storage is tricky though, if you live in a Victorian-era town and don't own land that a smoking hut could be built on. guess i'm lucky i don't eat meat." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1697
[00:23]	TR News	"This is my first ever post on the small net. This feels like a nice quiet place. Happy to be here!" gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1698
[00:27]	TR News	Totally stale for 2.2 months already (9 weeks) https://www.omglinux.com/
[00:27]	TR Bot	 OMG! Linux - Linux News, Distros, Apps and Reviews
[00:28]	TR News	And one post since November is also not much https://opensourcewatch.beehiiv.com/
[00:28]	TR Bot	 Open Source Watch
[00:28]	admfubar	would you like to play a game?  https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=24/02/10/0153223&from=rss
[00:28]	TR Bot	 AI Deployed Nukes 'To Have Peace in the World' in Tense War Simulation - SoylentNews
[00:29]	MinceR	:)
[00:31]	admfubar	https://techxplore.com/news/2024-02-jeff-bezos-million-amazon-worth.html
[00:31]	TR Bot	 Jeff Bezos sells nearly 12 million Amazon shares worth at least $2 billion, with more to come
[00:31]	schestowitz	"worth"
[00:31]	schestowitz	i sold 2 million "share" of roycoin
[00:31]	schestowitz	an hour ago
[00:31]	admfubar	oooohhh rare roycoin
[00:32]	MinceR	well, the value of those nearly 12 million scAmazon shares is not really bezos' problem anymore
[00:32]	TR News	"With the right command, you can do anything from simple math to fairly complex calculations on Linux." https://www.networkworld.com/article/1303332/doing-math-on-the-linux-command-line.html
[00:32]	TR Bot	 Doing math on the Linux command line | Network World
[00:33]	admfubar	jeff is lookin' to buy some roycoin
[00:33]	schestowitz	the "value" of amazon went down
[00:33]	schestowitz	because the belief in its value decreased
[00:33]	schestowitz	admfubar: you cannot buy them
[00:34]	schestowitz	you can buy some GPUs
[00:34]	schestowitz	and "mine" them for food stamps
[00:38]	TR News	"The Linux stat command gives you more detailed file information than ls does. Here's how to use it." https://www.howtogeek.com/451022/how-to-use-the-stat-command-on-linux/
[00:38]	TR Bot	 How to Use the stat Command on Linux
[00:38]	TR News	"The Linux dig command allows you to query DNS servers and perform DNS lookups. You can also find the domain an IP address leads back to. We'll show you how!" https://www.howtogeek.com/663056/how-to-use-the-dig-command-on-linux/
[00:38]	TR Bot	 How to Use the dig Command on Linux
[00:39]	TR News	"The Linux timedatectl command lets you set your time, date, and timezone for your system clock and your real-time clock. Spare a moment, and we'll show you how it all works." https://www.howtogeek.com/782032/how-to-use-the-timedatectl-command-on-linux/
[00:39]	TR Bot	 How to Use the timedatectl Command on Linux
[00:39]	TR News	"Some Linux commands are so familiar, we don't even notice we're using them. The cd command for changing directories is one of these. There are some tricks that can help you become more efficient with cdor you can ditch it, altogether." https://www.howtogeek.com/666127/how-to-use-the-cd-command-on-linux/
[00:39]	TR Bot	 How to Use the cd Command on Linux
[00:39]	DaemonFC	As bad as the new IT stuff is with STATE OF ILL, they now don't have the warning "Don't attempt to apply for your FOID Card using a phone or tablet or it could get denied." It's amazing how we have a Constitutional right, and we live in a State where you get to pay for a card or you don't get a Constitutional right (if this was a poll tax the ACLU would be all over it like a dog in heat, but...
[00:40]	DaemonFC	...that's an aside). But then you also got denied a constitutional right if you applied for the card using an iPad or Firefox on an Android phone.
[00:40]	DaemonFC	You know, the ACLU went after Indiana because a 6 year State ID card was $10.
[00:40]	DaemonFC	They said it was a poll tax.
[00:40]	TR News	"Knowing your Linux distribution and kernel versions allows you to make important decisions about security updates. We'll show you how to find these, no matter which distribution you're using." https://www.howtogeek.com/691214/how-to-check-the-linux-kernel-and-operating-system-version/
[00:40]	TR Bot	 How to Check the Linux Kernel and Operating System Version
[00:40]	DaemonFC	All these people are getting jobs, library cards, plane tickets, welfare programs, and all kinds of shit somehow.
[00:41]	DaemonFC	None of which you can do without a State ID.
[00:41]	TR News	"SUID, SGID, and Sticky Bits are powerful special permissions you can set for executables and directories on Linux. We'll share the benefitsand potential pitfallsof using them." https://www.howtogeek.com/656646/how-to-use-suid-sgid-and-sticky-bits-on-linux/
[00:41]	TR Bot	 How to Use SUID, SGID, and Sticky Bits on Linux
[00:41]	DaemonFC	How is $10 for a State ID card (like it's always been) a "poll tax" but a $10 card to exercise your right to own a gun every 10 years is allowed?
[00:41]	TR News	How to Use curl to Download Files From the Linux Command Line https://www.howtogeek.com/447033/how-to-use-curl-to-download-files-from-the-linux-command-line/
[00:41]	TR Bot	 How to Use curl to Download Files From the Linux Command Line
[00:42]	DaemonFC	24th Amendment Section 1 states "Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."
[00:42]	DaemonFC	That's fair enough.
[00:43]	DaemonFC	But Amendment 2 just as clearly states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.[32]"
[00:43]	DaemonFC	What is the "militia"? Every citizen of the United States is the "militia" according to historical precedent and case law.
[00:43]	DaemonFC	So it basically says "Every citizen of the United States shall have a right to keep and bear Arms" and it "shall not be infringed".
[00:43]	TR News	"You can now configure the laptop with an i9-14900HX and RTX 4070." https://www.howtogeek.com/system76-serval-ws-linux-laptop-14th-gen-intel-cpu/
[00:44]	TR Bot	 The System76 Serval WS Linux Laptop Now Has a 14th Gen Intel CPU
[00:44]	DaemonFC	An infringement can be considered charging money for a FOID Card, or even requiring permits at all.
[00:44]	DaemonFC	If permits are required, they should be issued as an expense against the State general fund, to whoever should want one.
[00:45]	TR News	"Want to game on your Linux machine? Here are six of our favorite apps that can improve your gaming experience" https://www.xda-developers.com/gaming-apps-for-linux/
[00:45]	TR Bot	 6 essential gaming apps for Linux
[00:45]	DaemonFC	If the right to keep and bear Arms flows from the people, to the State, back to the people, then everyone who pays to operate the State should pay for the FOID card.
[00:45]	TR News	How to install Anaconda on Ubuntu https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-install-anaconda-on-ubuntu/
[00:45]	TR Bot	 How to install Anaconda on Ubuntu
[00:46]	TR News	"With Proton, Valve unleashed PC gaming on Linux" https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-play-windows-games-on-linux/
[00:46]	TR Bot	 How to play Windows games on Linux using Proton
[00:46]	DaemonFC	Of course, this assumes a textualist approach to reading the Constitution, stare decisis, and the notion that power flows from the people to the State by consent of the governed.
[00:46]	DaemonFC	Which are three of the greatest lies and jokes ever told.
[00:46]	DaemonFC	MinceR: ^
[00:47]	TR News	"As a distro hopper who loves experimenting with Linux, here are five distributions that deserve more love" https://www.xda-developers.com/underrated-linux-distros/
[00:47]	TR Bot	 5 of the most underrated Linux distros
[00:48]	TR News	"Customization is one of the key benefits of the Linux ecosystem. Using themes, you can change the look of your Ubuntu machine to suit your style." https://www.makeuseof.com/ubuntu-how-change-gnome-themes/
[00:48]	TR Bot	 How to Change GNOME Themes in Ubuntu
[00:48]	MinceR	:>
[00:48]	DaemonFC	I am of the thought that a textualist reading of the Constitution does give Citizens a "right to privacy". It would be illogical to assume otherwise. What little case law there is around the Third Amendment is that it was cited as yet more evidence that the Founders assumed people should have privacy in their own home from the government.
[00:48]	TR News	"Gaming on Linux is getting better all the time. Here are five Linux gaming distros you should try, for current and retro gaming." https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-linux-gaming-operating-systems/
[00:48]	TR Bot	 The 5 Best Linux Gaming Distros in 2024
[00:50]	DaemonFC	I suppose they didn't include "privacy" as its own amendment because it was obvious that reading them together, that Citizens have this right.
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[00:50]	DaemonFC	Although "privacy" is not enough to grant a right to an abortion.
[00:51]	DaemonFC	If I tell someone to come into my home so I can shut the door and murder them in private, I don't get to go to the murder trial and say "Well, I killed him in private, so you can't prosecute me!"
[00:52]	TR News	 (NEW):  Open source originator: 'We have failed http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Open_source_originator_We_have_failed.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Open_source_originator_We_have_failed.gmi 
[00:52]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Open source originator: 'We have failed
[00:52]	DaemonFC	Roe was one of the worst decisions to come out of the Supreme Court. Not in the sense that I am 100% opposed to abortion, but because it was so sloppy.
[00:52]	DaemonFC	It was so obviously decided in a way that was ridiculous.
[00:52]	DaemonFC	Not based in law at all.
[00:53]	TR News	"While more companies are using open source technologies, not everyone may realise it" https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366569553/The-outlook-for-open-source-Growing-but-there-are-challenges
[00:53]	TR Bot	 The outlook for open source? Growing, but there are challenges | Computer Weekly
[00:53]	DaemonFC	Possibly never has there been a (US) court case that was decided on such poor and obviously contrived grounds.
[00:53]	DaemonFC	The fault belongs upon the left for this abortion mess.
[00:54]	DaemonFC	Had the process in the States not been interrupted in the early 70s, we'd have had the argument much sooner and come to a conclusion.
[00:54]	TR News	"Public sector bodies may find their policy decisions are stymied due to the inflexibility of the software they deploy. Is open source the answer?" https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366569099/The-challenges-of-open-source-in-government
[00:54]	TR Bot	 The challenges of open source in government | Computer Weekly
[00:54]	DaemonFC	Now we get to argue that process that was in play in the 70s because it was never allowed to run its course.
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[00:59]	TR News	Microsoft executives encourage employees to commit felonies... and then they get promoted. https://conservativenerds.locals.com/post/5168459/microsoft-executives-encourage-employees-to-commit-felonies-and-then-they-get-promoted
[00:59]	TR Bot	 Shared post
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[01:01]	TR News	How to Check the Size of a File in Linux https://linuxhint.com/check-size-file-linux/
[01:01]	TR Bot	 How to Check the Size of a File in Linux
[01:01]	TR News	How to Kill a Process Running on Port in Linux https://linuxhint.com/kill-process-running-port-linux/
[01:01]	TR Bot	 How to Kill a Process Running on Port in Linux
[01:02]	TR News	How to Prompt Bash for User Input https://linuxhint.com/prompt-bash-user-input/
[01:02]	TR Bot	 How to Prompt Bash for User Input
[01:03]	TR News	How to Run a Process in the Background in Linux https://linuxhint.com/run-process-in-background-linux/
[01:03]	TR Bot	 How to Run a Process in the Background in Linux
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[01:03]	TR News	How to Resolve the Is Not in the Sudoers File. This Incident Will Be Reported Error https://linuxhint.com/resolve-is-not-in-the-sudoers-file-error/
[01:03]	TR Bot	 How to Resolve the Is Not in the Sudoers File. This Incident Will Be Reported Error
[01:04]	TR News	How to Rename a Directory in Linux https://linuxhint.com/rename-directory-linux-2/
[01:04]	TR Bot	 How to Rename a Directory in Linux
[01:04]	MinceR	you'd never guess how to solve an issue caused by a user not being in sudoers
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[01:06]	schestowitz	MinceR: need a whole article about it
[01:07]	schestowitz	MinceR: https://linuxhint.com/fix-user-is-not-in-the-sudoers-file-error/
[01:07]	TR Bot	 How to Fix User Is Not in the Sudoers File Error?
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[01:09]	TR News	How to Install Cisco Packet Tracer on Debian 12 https://linuxhint.com/install-cisco-packet-tracer-debian-12/
[01:09]	TR Bot	 How to Install Cisco Packet Tracer on Debian 12
[01:12]	TR News	 (NEW):  Today's HowTos   http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/today_s_howtos.gmi 
[01:12]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[01:13]	TR News	 (NEW):  New Lists of Applications for GNU/Linux and/or Free Software http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/New_Lists_of_Applications_for_GNU_Linux_and_or_Free_Software.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/New_Lists_of_Applications_for_GNU_Linux_and_or_Free_Software.gmi 
[01:13]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines New Lists of Applications for GNU/Linux and/or Free Software
[01:15]	TR News	 (NEW):  TechTarget/ComputerWeekly on Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Versus Openwashing http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/TechTarget_ComputerWeekly_on_Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Softwar.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/TechTarget_ComputerWeekly_on_Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Softwar.gmi 
[01:15]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines TechTarget/ComputerWeekly on Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Versus Openwashing
[01:15]	admfubar	https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/ski-bike-helmets-protect-your-head-not-location-or-voice/
[01:15]	TR Bot	 Ski & bike helmets protect your head, not location or voice | Pen Test Partners
[01:19]	DaemonFC	schestowitz sudo for Windows.
[01:19]	DaemonFC	It's not the same thing.
[01:19]	DaemonFC	It does not share any code.
[01:19]	DaemonFC	It's not under the same license.
[01:19]	DaemonFC	It does not accept the same parameters.
[01:20]	DaemonFC	But they call it sudo.
[01:20]	schestowitz	yes, i know
[01:20]	schestowitz	see:
[01:20]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/n/2024/02/09/Even_the_Doas_Camp_is_Unhappy_About_What_Microsoft_Does_to_Sudo.shtml
[01:20]	TR Bot	 Techrights Even the Doas Camp is Unhappy About What Microsoft Does to Sudo
[01:20]	admfubar	who wants to join me in the orgasmatron??? https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=24/02/10/1912250&from=rss
[01:20]	TR Bot	 Are We All Technosexuals Now? - SoylentNews
[01:20]	schestowitz	https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/07/Microsoft_Faking_Innovation_Again_Copying_Sudo_Like_It_Did_in_2.shtml
[01:20]	MinceR	that's like built-in Power's Hell aliases
[01:20]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Microsoft Faking 'Innovation' Again, Copying Sudo Like It Did in 2006
[01:20]	DaemonFC	It seems "sudo for Windows" is just a powershell script.
[01:21]	schestowitz	and lots of medis spam
[01:21]	schestowitz	media
[01:22]	TR News	 (NEW):  Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/today_s_leftovers.gmi 
[01:22]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[01:22]	DaemonFC	schestowitz SeaMonkey backports a lot of Web platform stuff, but in the end it only sort of matters.
[01:22]	DaemonFC	We're on a Web so fragile that a barely different user agent on the same rendering engine as Chrome may not even work.
[01:23]	DaemonFC	One of the banks occasionally tells me the current version of Brave is an outdated browser even though it's often on a newer Chromium engine than Chrome is.
[01:24]	TR News	Techrights Links 12/02/2024: Strike, Airstrikes, and Gemini http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Links_12_02_2024_Strike_Airstrikes_and_Gemini.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Links_12_02_2024_Strike_Airstrikes_and_Gemini.gmi 
[01:24]	TR Bot	 Techrights Links 12/02/2024: Strike, Airstrikes, and Gemini
[01:25]	schestowitz	how far is the physical branch?
[01:25]	DaemonFC	schestowitz They don't have them.
[01:25]	schestowitz	if you insist, they can go almost everything in branches here
[01:25]	DaemonFC	Real good about picking up the phone though.
[01:25]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: so your "bank" might be without assets
[01:25]	schestowitz	just some AWS account
[01:25]	DaemonFC	schestowitz Doesn't bother me if they are. 
[01:26]	schestowitz	it might one day
[01:26]	schestowitz	look at march 2023
[01:26]	DaemonFC	Why?
[01:26]	schestowitz	and the banks folding
[01:26]	schestowitz	it'll happen again
[01:26]	DaemonFC	All I use that one for is credit cards.
[01:26]	schestowitz	just a matter is what triggers it
[01:26]	arkanian	Hexchat is officially dead now
[01:26]	DaemonFC	Just use ChatZilla.
[01:27]	arkanian	https://hexchat.github.io/news/2.16.2.html
[01:27]	TR Bot	 2.16.2, The Final Release HexChat
[01:27]	DaemonFC	"I am going to move all data that I can to be hosted on Github, so all documentation, installers, and dependencies will be there until the end of Microsoft."
[01:27]	DaemonFC	"Warning: Warp Core breach sooner than you think!"
[01:27]	DaemonFC	:)
[01:28]	DaemonFC	MinceR: ^
[01:28]	arkanian	Isn't ChatZilla part of Seamonkey?
[01:28]	DaemonFC	Yes.
[01:29]	arkanian	Yeah, I'm definately not using that
[01:29]	DaemonFC	You could use Ambassador.
[01:29]	DaemonFC	That's an extension for Pale Moon.
[01:29]	arkanian	I'm not using a shitty browser to access irc
[01:30]	arkanian	I'll probably use konversation
[01:31]	DaemonFC	What about GNOME's IRC clients which are usually just some version of HexChat with all the features removes and some delicious garden slugs?
[01:32]	admfubar	https://iv.melmac.space/watch?v=AF8d72mA41M
[01:32]	TR Bot	 Why It Was Almost Impossible to Make the Blue LED - Invidious
[01:33]	DaemonFC	schestowitz I was talking to my dad about Rick & Morty and how the new seasons aren't very funny anymore ever since Roiland's legal problems.
[01:34]	DaemonFC	" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ht-ZyJOV2k
[01:34]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=3ht-ZyJOV2k
[01:34]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | Rick & Morty - Pass the Butter - Invidious
[01:34]	DaemonFC	This is still one of my favorite scenes.
[01:34]	DaemonFC	The first 4-5 seasons of Rick & Morty were pretty good, before Justin Roiland was accused of all sorts of crimes. When the "battery" charges got thrown out, they came back and got him for "rape".
[01:34]	DaemonFC	When the system thinks you got away and it really wants you, it will go make something else up or making hay from something that's not really so bad. Like having sex, with an adult, who changes her mind later and decides it was rape. You know, that's how the world works now. Don't ever be alone in a room with a woman, a child, or a teenager. Never ever be alone in a room with any of them. Ever.
[01:34]	DaemonFC	You know, Gonad's friend Myron's daughter was like 15. She was big old hoebag, anyway, she started hitting on me while I was over there and she wasn't even subtle, and she did it right in front of her mom and dad, Brian, my mother. Then when it didn't work, later she came back down not wearing any underwear and bent over to "tie her shoes" right in front of Brian. I mean, there are some...
[01:34]	DaemonFC	...twisted people in this world and you can get into some serious shit real easily.
[01:34]	DaemonFC	Of course, with the ready, shoot, aim system and society that starts "canceling" people before anything has been decided, I can't say anything about whether these accusations against Roiland are real. If you have sex with a woman, adult woman, they can just change their mind and revoke the consent three years later and now you're fucked. The allegation that he "talked" to some 16 year olds...
[01:34]	DaemonFC	...as well just makes it so much worse. "
[01:35]	DaemonFC	You know. At the time they were all over you and then 20 years later it was rape. That sort of thing.
[01:36]	DaemonFC	The fact that there is now neverending danger from going near a woman one time says a lot.
[01:36]	arkanian	Konversation fits better in KDE 6 anyway
[01:36]	arkanian	Ported to Qt6
[01:36]	arkanian	hexchat is still gtk2
[01:46]	DaemonFC	https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/10/europe/hungary-president-katalin-novak-resigns-intl-hnk/index.html
[01:46]	TR Bot	 Hungarys president resigns amid uproar over child sex abuse case pardon | CNN
[01:48]	DaemonFC	[Sunday 7:36:29pm]arkanianhexchat is still gtk2
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[01:48]	DaemonFC	Most people don't want to port their application to GTK4.
[01:48]	DaemonFC	Including Mozilla.
[01:51]	DaemonFC	https://www.ntdaily.com/opinion/newsroom-layoffs-can-cause-increased-risk-of-misinformation/article_441356dc-c55b-11ee-b5c2-6313243eba00.html
[01:51]	TR Bot	( status 451 @ https://www.ntdaily.com/opinion/newsroom-layoffs-can-cause-increased-risk-of-misinformation/article_441356dc-c55b-11ee-b5c2-6313243eba00.html )
[01:51]	DaemonFC	Billionaires took over "the news" to run as propaganda.
[01:51]	DaemonFC	Stuffed it behind a paywall complaining of ad revenue shortage.
[01:51]	DaemonFC	When it wasn't making money because nobody wanted to read or watch it, they laid off the propagandists.
[01:51]	DaemonFC	Now they say the layoffs of the propaganda agents will cause "misinformation".
[01:52]	TR News	Techrights Cautionary Tale About Software Patents and Their Impact on GNU/Linux Distros in Europe http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Cautionary_Tale_About_Software_Patents_and_Their_Impact_on_GNU_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Cautionary_Tale_About_Software_Patents_and_Their_Impact_on_GNU_.gmi 
[01:52]	TR Bot	 Techrights Cautionary Tale About Software Patents and Their Impact on GNU/Linux Distros in Europe
[01:52]	DaemonFC	https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/skeetxiot
[01:52]	TR Bot	 Quiet quitting on the rise amid tech layoffs | Ctech
[01:52]	DaemonFC	LOL
[01:53]	DaemonFC	They know it's only a matter of time, and "Why put in 110% at a job where they're canning everyone anyway?"
[01:53]	DaemonFC	ZOMGQUIETQUITTING!!!!111111one
[01:57]	arkanian	DaemonFC: Mozilla is dying
[01:57]	schestowitz	2017 called
[01:57]	schestowitz	arkanian: it wants those words back ;-)
[01:58]	schestowitz	<DaemonFC> Now they say the layoffs of the propaganda agents will cause "misinformation".
[01:58]	schestowitz	it can worsen things
[01:58]	schestowitz	in my experience
[01:58]	schestowitz	MSM is crap
[01:58]	schestowitz	without it, however, what you see can be a lot worse
[01:59]	schestowitz	MSM was
[01:59]	schestowitz	not always this bad
[01:59]	schestowitz	and some of it is still not THAT bad
[01:59]	MinceR	12 022642 <+arkanian> Hexchat is officially dead now
[01:59]	schestowitz	national broadcasters are a bit better
[01:59]	MinceR	just use irssi or weechat
[01:59]	schestowitz	because they are liable to the public at some level
[01:59]	MinceR	kvirc might also still be around
[01:59]	MinceR	though i haven't used kvirc in ages
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[02:02]	schestowitz	i experimented with more irc clients lately
[02:02]	TR News	Techrights [Meme] [Teaser] Not Everyone in The Netherlands Pays Tax http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Meme_Teaser_Not_Everyone_in_The_Netherlands_Pays_Tax.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Meme_Teaser_Not_Everyone_in_The_Netherlands_Pays_Tax.gmi 
[02:02]	TR Bot	 Techrights [Meme] [Teaser] Not Everyone in The Netherlands Pays Tax
[02:02]	schestowitz	i did not try weechat, ever
[02:03]	schestowitz	i wrote some programs to process irc
[02:03]	schestowitz	to better let me keep track of 5 networks i am on
[02:03]	schestowitz	aside from this one
[02:03]	schestowitz	seems like libera is an abuse platform
[02:03]	schestowitz	there is an abuse they like
[02:03]	schestowitz	and abuse they don't like
[02:03]	schestowitz	but they are OK with abuse in general
[02:03]	schestowitz	the "right" abuse
[02:03]	schestowitz	CoC means nothing
[02:04]	schestowitz	this is why TR encourages controlling one's comms platform
[02:04]	schestowitz	communities should decide what can be said
[02:04]	schestowitz	not Microsoft in a GitHub CoC
[02:04]	schestowitz	suspending people for "criticising" Microsoft
[02:04]	schestowitz	aprops criticism
[02:04]	schestowitz	over the past 2-3 weeks the Microsofters tried many ways to gag us
[02:05]	schestowitz	at least 5 ways
[02:05]	schestowitz	they panic each time it is failing
[02:05]	schestowitz	and then do something even more filppant
[02:05]	schestowitz	turns out they do this to other communities
[02:05]	schestowitz	esp. gnu/linux communities
[02:05]	schestowitz	that's like their "job" or hobby
[02:06]	schestowitz	MinceR: why did the 'gypsy' in the UK go after you?
[02:06]	schestowitz	where did it start?
[02:06]	schestowitz	did you ban him somewhere?
[02:06]	schestowitz	(also, it's monday today, so the series continues, very briefly, just for today; i want to focus on EPO leaks though)
[02:07]	schestowitz	https://discourse.osmc.tv/t/testing-vero-v-ipt-colour-space-conversion/96809
[02:07]	TR Bot	 [TESTING] Vero V: IPT colour space conversion - Testing - OSMC Forums
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[02:08]	schestowitz	[Anon]
[02:08]	schestowitz	> Hope you're keeping well.
[02:08]	schestowitz	>
[02:08]	schestowitz	>
[02:08]	schestowitz	> 3 years later and (fingers crossed) lawsuit free.
[02:08]	schestowitz	>
[02:08]	schestowitz	> Cheers,
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[02:08]	schestowitz	the aggressors are at it
[02:08]	schestowitz	i am told
[02:08]	MinceR	schestowitz: he logged some channels, bragged about the dirt he had on people (supposedly), got banned, evaded bans, took the nicks of other people, spammed people, stalked me and spouted shit on unrelated channels, disturbing other people
[02:08]	schestowitz	because their revenue sources are depleted
[02:08]	MinceR	that's how he found the TR channels on leenode, and this network
[02:08]	schestowitz	and they need to crush the competition
[02:09]	MinceR	also, he generally behaves like a retarded asshole
[02:09]	schestowitz	MinceR: sorry to hear that
[02:09]	schestowitz	yes, some people are annoying like this
[02:09]	schestowitz	you can imagine what their life is like
[02:09]	schestowitz	they devote their lives trying to ruin another person's
[02:09]	schestowitz	and it's like Denial of Service
[02:09]	schestowitz	just to be a burden
[02:09]	schestowitz	apropos:
[02:10]	MinceR	"they told me i could become anything, so i became a burden on others"
[02:11]	schestowitz	fatboy slim has a longstanding issue with a stalker ... a woman
[02:11]	schestowitz	i am not sure how that ended
[02:11]	schestowitz	uk does not have strong legal tools
[02:11]	schestowitz	for dealing with crazy stalkers
[02:11]	schestowitz	Norman Cook, aka Fatboy Slim
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[02:12]	schestowitz	like I said, the police here is limited by law
[02:12]	schestowitz	https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2017/08/31/brighton-man-wanted-over-stalking-and-assault-claims/
[02:12]	TR Bot	 Brighton man wanted over stalking and assault claims Brighton and Hove News
[02:12]	schestowitz	unless or until it becomes violent
[02:12]	schestowitz	then they escalate it
[02:13]	schestowitz	they told me to block "the trolls"
[02:13]	schestowitz	(their word)
[02:13]	schestowitz	and to not speak back in any way
[02:13]	schestowitz	but they are sympathetic 
[02:13]	schestowitz	just not (yet) helpful enough
[02:13]	schestowitz	anyway, back to researching EPO
[02:14]	schestowitz	I am sure they will try to escalate by spreading lies about rianne and me
[02:14]	schestowitz	Same here, same in SN
[02:14]	schestowitz	hence, some SN admins came to our IRC networks
[02:14]	schestowitz	they experience similar abuse
[02:14]	schestowitz	and many admins stepped down
[02:15]	schestowitz	due to that abuse
[02:15]	schestowitz	inc. the founder
[02:15]	schestowitz	NCommander
[02:15]	MinceR	he also tried CTCP flooding people and brought several connections from the same address to various channels, usually from unstable connections, so they would go in and out en masse
[02:15]	schestowitz	they just want to write and comment etc, i.e. to be productive, but Microsofters keep threatening, hoping that threats can discourage or censor coverage. That won't work. If they try, they'll end up homeless.
[02:15]	schestowitz	I reckon some are already homeless  and use the connection in a home they don't own but are guests in.
[02:15]	schestowitz	It's worse when a patent troll or large company does this directly.
[02:16]	schestowitz	but the abuse seems to typically come indirecytly
[02:16]	schestowitz	like the time "drpizza" came here to troll
[02:16]	schestowitz	this man: http://techrights.org/wiki/Peter_Bright/
[02:16]	TR Bot	 Peter Bright
[02:16]	schestowitz	or that WSL guy
[02:16]	schestowitz	i keep forgetting his name
[02:17]	schestowitz	he even used sockpuppet accounts
[02:17]	schestowitz	many names
[02:17]	schestowitz	then we unmasked him based on the context of his words
[02:17]	schestowitz	and he admitted it was him
[02:22]	DaemonFC	[Sunday 8:09:04pm]MinceRalso, he generally behaves like a retarded asshole
[02:22]	DaemonFC	It's a good thing we don't know any retarded assholes who behave like that, right?
[02:22]	MinceR	lol
[02:30]	schestowitz	anyway, the goal imho is to slow us down
[02:30]	schestowitz	and cause strifew
[02:30]	schestowitz	like sexually harassing rianne
[02:30]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: earler you brought up moz
[02:30]	schestowitz	and i see you have not blogged larely
[02:31]	schestowitz	some topics suggested
[02:31]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I was thinking about TurboTax.
[02:31]	DaemonFC	I got away from it this year.
[02:31]	DaemonFC	It's become very much like Windows 11.
[02:31]	schestowitz	i think now that the web perishes, you can get more visibility for your views
[02:31]	schestowitz	like, on wayland
[02:31]	schestowitz	and  that pisses off some companies
[02:31]	DaemonFC	Where that thing you told it no about is back now five seconds later hoping you'll hit the wrong button again.
[02:31]	schestowitz	TurboTax had intuit forced into settlement
[02:32]	schestowitz	for trying to hide the free TurboTax option/s
[02:32]	DaemonFC	Yeah, and they haven't improved any that I can see.
[02:32]	schestowitz	so that is something you can cover
[02:32]	DaemonFC	The Free version is a joke.
[02:32]	schestowitz	i never did irs stuff
[02:32]	schestowitz	biab
[02:32]	DaemonFC	If you have more than some bank interest, W-2, and don't take any credits except maybe EIC, it's free.
[02:33]	DaemonFC	But that doesn't describe many filers unless you're 18 and flipping burgers at McDonalds and had a savings account that year.
[02:33]	schestowitz	checking next layoff wave at MSFT
[02:33]	DaemonFC	schestowitz TurboTax Starter Edition.
[02:33]	DaemonFC	Pay $80 to change your wallpaper and run more than three programs.
[02:33]	DaemonFC	:D
[02:34]	DaemonFC	schestowitz It's worse than the IRS.
[02:34]	DaemonFC	And you know me so you know when I say that I mean it.
[02:34]	DaemonFC	The IRS Direct File thing will be canceled as soon as Trump is back.
[02:34]	DaemonFC	He'll say blah blah let the private sector handle it.
[02:35]	TR News	This has nothing to do with "HEY HI"; it is about a rotting economy and large companies in massive debt and high interest rates on their debt https://www.ft.com/content/9bace2e9-3ecb-4651-a6c0-b16f0226c0e0
[02:35]	TR Bot	 Tech companies axe 34,000 jobs since start of year in pivot to AI
[02:35]	DaemonFC	They should have had a bigger pilot program so there'd be angry people who saw how good it was and don't want to go back to TurboTax.
[02:36]	TR News	This headline is a deliberate lie. It's not booming at all. Hence the mass layoffs. https://theconversation.com/the-video-game-industry-is-booming-why-are-there-so-many-layoffs-222685
[02:36]	TR Bot	 The video game industry is booming. Why are there so many layoffs?
[02:37]	DaemonFC	schestowitz The people who you can get on a live stream with if you have a tax question don't know how to answer most of them.
[02:37]	DaemonFC	TurboTax calls these "tax experts".
[02:37]	TR News	Gaslighting in the media benefits nobody, not even the media owners, who will see their audience fuming and walking away
[02:38]	DaemonFC	It's hard to find the way to enter common tax forms into TurboTax, which is usually like fucking around in the Windows Registry looking for something. Making you wonder if you even did it right at all.
[02:39]	TR News	This has nothing to do with the "HEY HI" bubble, the go-to excuse after misleading and false narratives such as "new normal", "quiet quitters", and "great resignation" https://www.pymnts.com/artificial-intelligence-2/2024/tech-layoffs-become-contagious-amid-ai-investments/ https://locusmag.com/2023/12/commentary-cory-doctorow-what-kind-of-bubble-is-ai/
[02:39]	TR Bot	 Tech Layoffs 'Become Contagious' Amid AI Investments
[02:39]	TR Bot	 Cory Doctorow: What Kind of Bubble is AI? Locus Online
[02:39]	DaemonFC	Paying the actual tax is not even the worst part. It's spending four damned hours with TurboTax and then having to pay them between $80-200 depending on which forms and schedules you need.
[02:40]	TR News	Latest in mass layoffs? Bell. MASSIVE layoffs.
[02:41]	TR News	The economy is so good that many companies have no choice but to shed off workers, says the media funded by oligarchy.
[02:41]	DaemonFC	Now they've even added something called "RACE MODE" where it's a toggle switch that says you should spend about 45 minutes and constantly pops up a nonsense screen showing how long you're taking. It doesn't MATTER how FUCKING LONG I'M TAKING. What matters is not screwing up and ending up having to amend my filing because their software was trying to rush me.
[02:41]	TR News	Amazon accused of union-busting in Midlands warehouses https://www.whatjobs.com/news/amazon-news/amazon-accused-of-union-busting-in-midlands-warehouses/
[02:41]	TR Bot	 Amazon accused of "union-busting" in Midlands warehouses - Employment & Business News
[02:42]	schestowitz	<DaemonFC> TurboTax calls these "tax experts".
[02:42]	DaemonFC	Now you have a fucking stopwatch telling you to hurry up while you're trying to enter Payer ID numbers and how much money goes in each box of a dozen forms.
[02:42]	schestowitz	intuit lobbied to make and keep the process hard
[02:42]	schestowitz	to make more sales
[02:42]	schestowitz	making problems
[02:42]	schestowitz	to sell the "solutions"
[02:42]	schestowitz	the media did cover this extensively
[02:43]	schestowitz	and provided good evidence, afaik
[02:43]	MinceR	lol @ RACE MODE
[02:43]	schestowitz	rayse]
[02:43]	schestowitz	y u so ratsist mode?
[02:44]	schestowitz	the rat race
[02:44]	DaemonFC	In the end they pissed me off so bad that I just transcribed everything into FreeTaxUSA and made sure all the figures were in agreement. TurboTax will tell you what your refunds or amounts due are before you pay them. So you can just use it to check your math and see if the other tax software agrees.
[02:45]	TR News	"That article is from March 11, 2008 (Associated Press)" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1r1mU9pQ#replies
[02:45]	TR Bot	 In a way, it's kind of funny - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs
[02:45]	DaemonFC	I found that FreeTaxUSA was like TurboTax in all the good ways except even easier to use because it's obvious where to enter each form at.
[02:45]	DaemonFC	They didn't nag and upsell and try to rush me.
[02:45]	TR News	Tech Employers Lay Off Workers, but Get New Rounds of H-1Bs https://cis.org/North/Tech-Employers-Lay-Workers-Get-New-Rounds-H1Bs
[02:45]	TR Bot	 Tech Employers Lay Off Workers, but Get New Rounds of H-1Bs
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[02:47]	DaemonFC	TurboTax does work but it's outrageously expensive. My dad took his taxes to H&R Block for years and they did not deduct his Illinois return from Indiana. They told him he had to pay both States and cost him thousands of dollars. Then they hire temps who are about qualified to work at McDonalds to handle your taxes. They could care less if they screw up and make you pay too much or get you...
[02:47]	DaemonFC	...audited because it's seasonal work and when the IRS complains or you figure it out years later, they'll be gone.
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[02:48]	DaemonFC	Self-Prepared returns are really the only way to go. Because the people you get to do your taxes are usually so unbelievably incompetent that they're much more likely to fuck you over than you are.
[02:49]	TR News	Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-110224.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-110224.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-110224.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-110224.txt
[02:49]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, February 11, 2024
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[02:50]	TR News	Yesterday's Tux Machines bulletin is now ready! : http://news.tuxmachines.org/txt-archives/tuxmachines-2024-02-11.txt
[02:50]	DaemonFC	Also, taking it "to a professional" has other risks, including identity theft, having them submit a different return than you get a copy of (they'll file it in a way where you get a bigger refund than what your copy says you do, because the one they handed you is fake and they pocket the rest), and the fact that if you get a "Preparer ID" on your tax returns associated with a person who does...
[02:50]	DaemonFC	...a lot of messed up returns, the IRS can audit you because of that even if there's nothing wrong with yours.
[02:50]	TR News	 (NEW):  Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Today_in_Techrights.gmi 
[02:50]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Today in Techrights
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[02:51]	TR Bot	 Techrights IRC Proceedings: Sunday, February 11, 2024
[02:51]	DaemonFC	Because I have a State Medicaid program, the government sends me a letter every year telling me where I can go to have my taxes filed for free. I throw it in the trash.
[02:52]	DaemonFC	I don't want to get into an argument over tax credits and data entry with a volunteer and hand over my documents to them when I know I'll do a better job.
[02:54]	DaemonFC	"Ariadne Conill 
[02:54]	DaemonFC	@ariadne
[02:54]	DaemonFC	EN
[02:54]	DaemonFC	so of the allegedly queer friendly dating apps out there, we have Tinder (which has an abuse handling pipeline that can be abused to ban trans people), Grindr (which is largely filled with cisgender men who sexually harass you if youre trans) and others which have no actual userbase (and thus are a waste of time)"
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[02:54]	TR News	Techrights Over at Tux Machines... http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Over_at_Tux_Machines.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Over_at_Tux_Machines.gmi 
[02:54]	TR Bot	 Techrights Over at Tux Machines...
[02:54]	DaemonFC	Grindr started out as a gay app.
[02:54]	DaemonFC	That was OUR app.
[02:54]	TR News	An extensible programming language gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2024/02/11.1
[02:54]	DaemonFC	And then it got invaded.
[02:54]	DaemonFC	Nobody is amused. Deal with it.
[02:55]	DaemonFC	The best any trans person will get there is some gross straight guy who views an FTM as a woman and is taking advantage of that.
[02:55]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D839.jpg
[02:55]	DaemonFC	Tinder is for men and women, and so they never ever said they were "trans-friendly".
[02:56]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D1189.jpg
[02:56]	DaemonFC	So you're going to run into trouble there too, and it's so obvious.
[02:56]	DaemonFC	Why don't you do a kickstarter and make an app for trans people where people who are expecting that can go?
[02:56]	DaemonFC	It's allegedly a free country.
[02:56]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: why do you pick on kaniini
[02:57]	schestowitz	kaniini never even once asked me to sanction you?
[02:57]	schestowitz	and let me get all the data on good terms
[02:57]	DaemonFC	I'm not trying to pick on them.
[02:57]	schestowitz	anyway, those "fucks apps" are disgusting
[02:57]	schestowitz	even when hereto people use them
[02:57]	schestowitz	doesn't matter if gay or trans
[02:57]	DaemonFC	I'm merely stating that trespassers on apps that are not there for them shouldn't be surprised with a bucket of cold water.
[02:57]	DaemonFC	:P
[02:57]	schestowitz	"fuck apps" are disgusting
[02:57]	DaemonFC	That's just the truth.
[02:58]	schestowitz	anyway.
[02:58]	schestowitz	re layoffs,
[02:58]	schestowitz	the media is shooting its own foot now
[02:58]	schestowitz	refusing to admit what really happens
[02:58]	schestowitz	not even ONE media outlet covers these issues: http://techrights.org/n/2024/02/01/Microsoft_s_Total_Debt_Soars_to_111_4_Billion_Dollars_an_Increa.shtml
[02:58]	TR Bot	 Techrights Microsoft's Total Debt Soars to $111.4 Billion Dollars (an Increase by $32,000,000,000 in Only 6 Months!)
[02:59]	DaemonFC	schestowitz Yeah, because there's so many diseases that there's always some that can get past whatever "precautions" you take. People are now so nasty that the FDA proposes to just put them on antibiotics preventively so WHEN they are exposed to syphilis, the clap, etc. they're already on antibiotics.
[02:59]	schestowitz	the closest I saw was November
[02:59]	schestowitz	saying Microsoft was becoming addicted to debt
[02:59]	schestowitz	but then excusing that away
[02:59]	DaemonFC	This is an even worse idea than AIDS drugs figuring they'll be exposed to AIDS a lot and don't want to wear a rubber.
[02:59]	schestowitz	it's "OK"
[02:59]	schestowitz	"normal"
[02:59]	schestowitz	"don't worry, they are "worth" TRILLIONS"
[02:59]	DaemonFC	The antibiotics will of course quit working much faster that way.
[02:59]	schestowitz	like wework was "Worth" almost 50,000 MILLION dollars
[02:59]	DaemonFC	And in the mean time, you still can't get antibiotics for pneumonia.
● Feb 12
[03:00]	schestowitz	40 billions
[03:00]	schestowitz	or 47
[03:00]	schestowitz	maybe 48
[03:00]	schestowitz	months backs... bankrupt
[03:00]	DaemonFC	So you need to say "I just fuck a lot of people and sooner or later I'll get a disease that burns my balls." and the doctor will hand antibiotics out like a fucking pill pinata.
[03:00]	schestowitz	" pill pinata"
[03:01]	schestowitz	or "morning after"
[03:01]	schestowitz	not the same issue
[03:01]	schestowitz	apparently it leads to fertility issues
[03:01]	schestowitz	long term use
[03:01]	DaemonFC	You're supposed to take antibiotics every day.
[03:01]	DaemonFC	Because you don't wear condoms and stick it in someone else's ass every day.
[03:01]	DaemonFC	Grooooossssss.
[03:01]	DaemonFC	:)
[03:01]	schestowitz	i never resorted to anything like that, but drunk people with "fuck apps" act recklessly
[03:01]	schestowitz	then shell out a lot of money for pills that ruin their organs
[03:02]	DaemonFC	I can count on one hand the number of times I've been sure enough about someone to do that, and you have these folks that video tape themselves "pulling a train". No condoms.
[03:03]	DaemonFC	They're not long for this world, Roy.
[03:03]	DaemonFC	:)
[03:03]	DaemonFC	Anyway, that's what you run into on Grindr.
[03:03]	DaemonFC	THEM.
[03:04]	DaemonFC	Ariadne calls this "dating".
[03:04]	DaemonFC	That's a very clever definition. Which version of Webster's is this in?
[03:04]	schestowitz	let me comment on the tech side
[03:04]	schestowitz	to avoid this channel veering off topic
[03:05]	schestowitz	this is not about gay/trans/hetero
[03:05]	schestowitz	it's about human beings looking for sex using app
[03:05]	schestowitz	it's sex apps
[03:05]	schestowitz	and they way they work is,
[03:05]	schestowitz	they spy on people
[03:05]	schestowitz	collect data
[03:05]	DaemonFC	Unprotected sex. With Mr. 500 feet away. What was his name? Unimportant. Ah, dating. I'd know it anywhere!
[03:05]	DaemonFC	MinceR: ^
[03:05]	schestowitz	some take fees for usafe
[03:05]	schestowitz	*usage
[03:05]	schestowitz	"online dating" started in the 90s
[03:05]	schestowitz	it was stuff like chatrooms
[03:06]	schestowitz	or profiles
[03:06]	MinceR	"My name is Not Important"
[03:06]	schestowitz	where no "apps" exist
[03:06]	schestowitz	and they don't collect and sell data
[03:06]	schestowitz	now it's all different
[03:07]	DaemonFC	"Ariadne Conill 
[03:07]	DaemonFC	@ariadne
[03:07]	DaemonFC	EN
[03:07]	DaemonFC	to be honest the feminine userbase on there who were interested in dating trans people largely consisted of married women who wanted to cheat, so nothing of value has been lost"
[03:07]	DaemonFC	That's below the belt.
[03:07]	schestowitz	a lot of dating started in chatrooms
[03:07]	DaemonFC	I could just about handle my wife cheating on me.
[03:07]	DaemonFC	But not like that.
[03:07]	schestowitz	since age 15 I think I met in person and dated 2 girls
[03:07]	schestowitz	you just chat online
[03:07]	schestowitz	and meet people
[03:07]	schestowitz	and then talk over email etc.
[03:07]	schestowitz	some I spoke to and never met
[03:07]	schestowitz	some you meet in person and then take email
[03:08]	schestowitz	but it's actual dating
[03:08]	schestowitz	not "radius for sex"
[03:08]	schestowitz	some companies sell "shortcuts"
[03:08]	schestowitz	and see people like props
[03:08]	schestowitz	almost every 90s person met someeone with romantic interest online
[03:08]	schestowitz	the "A/S/L" era
[03:09]	DaemonFC	Oh yeah.
[03:09]	schestowitz	and it wasn't about "how far do you live? i'm horny'
[03:09]	DaemonFC	LOL
[03:09]	schestowitz	it could be some person in irc or some IM
[03:09]	schestowitz	or even just someone you know who told you about someone
[03:09]	schestowitz	or someone you spoke to at a party
[03:09]	schestowitz	or former housemate
[03:09]	schestowitz	prior to the net it was "pen pals"
[03:10]	schestowitz	but without pens
[03:10]	schestowitz	or envelopes"
[03:10]	schestowitz	now it was chatting, email
[03:10]	schestowitz	and that still lets you know a person
[03:10]	schestowitz	sometimes you start dating
[03:10]	schestowitz	and realise, this ain't it
[03:11]	schestowitz	but at least you have a chat, a meal... and move on
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[03:15]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wwdRfbPrGIY
[03:15]	TR Bot	 New disease - Invidious
[03:15]	schestowitz	re covid and the jabs
[03:15]	schestowitz	and the sharp rise in clots
[03:19]	TR News	"I had the police 'round a couple of times" https://yewtu.be/wwdRfbPrGIY?t=1868 harassing people who talk about COVID-19 blunders in the UK
[03:19]	TR Bot	 Invidious - search
[03:28]	parsifal	Democratic methods in action, absolutely no doubt about it;)
[03:49]	schestowitz	yes, indeed
[03:49]	schestowitz	from what he is saying, he got death threats
[03:49]	TR News	Techrights Mozilla's Baker Dethroned, But It's 'Too Little, Too Late' http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Mozilla_s_Baker_Dethroned_But_It_s_Too_Little_Too_Late.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Mozilla_s_Baker_Dethroned_But_It_s_Too_Little_Too_Late.gmi 
[03:49]	TR Bot	 Techrights Mozilla's Baker Dethroned, But It's 'Too Little, Too Late'
[03:49]	schestowitz	to the point cops came around
[03:49]	schestowitz	usually they don't come around unless the threats are serious and from someone who lives near you
[03:50]	schestowitz	they say people threaten to kill people all the time
[03:50]	schestowitz	and that it seldom actually happens
[03:50]	schestowitz	if the threats come from another country, that's another one
[03:50]	schestowitz	sometimes i get threats from people in another country who say they know someone here
[03:51]	schestowitz	insinuating they will get someone else to assassinate
[03:51]	schestowitz	but even then the copes cannot enforce
[03:51]	schestowitz	as the threats come from abroad
[03:51]	schestowitz	so they would need to collaborate with another country and force
[03:51]	schestowitz	so many people exploit this
[03:51]	schestowitz	to issue violent threats
[03:52]	schestowitz	and try to get you to stop
[03:52]	schestowitz	if you don't buckle, then start threatening the wife
[03:52]	schestowitz	anyway, techrights will cover this later this year or next year
[03:52]	schestowitz	plenty left to show
[03:52]	schestowitz	but we must focus on the main  issues
[03:53]	schestowitz	like the above link about Mozilla and Firefox
[03:53]	schestowitz	not a bunch of crooks and criminals looking to prevent publication
[03:57]	parsifal	schestowitz: The iron fist in the velvet glove, if I must be metaphorical, is the same everywhere in the world ;)
● Feb 12
[04:03]	parsifal	schestowitz: One more thing aside from the current discussion...
[04:03]	parsifal	schestowitz: After yesterday's article about Synapse, I remembered that you are a KDE user, do you still use X11 session?
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[04:10]	schestowitz	yes
[04:11]	parsifal	schestowitz: I asking you this, because Synapse is great, but unfortunately(or fortunately;), it depends on the point of view) it doesn't work under wayland.
[04:11]	schestowitz	no kde users will wilfully try wayland
[04:12]	schestowitz	some distros might try to impose/push as "default"
[04:12]	schestowitz	but that'snot the same as users choosing it
[04:12]	schestowitz	DaemonFC said Debian tried that
[04:12]	schestowitz	or SUSE
[04:13]	parsifal	schestowitz: Nate Graham disagrees
[04:13]	parsifal	I wouldn't even know if it wasn't for a Debian 12 install with a KDE that defaults to a wayland session, not X11. Wayland which, as far as it depends on me, I will not use in the near present and future, no matter how much the redcaps push;)
[04:17]	arkanian	KDE 6 will default to Wayland, but distros can change the default
[04:18]	schestowitz	KDE 6 will initially be less reliable than 5
[04:18]	schestowitz	wayland or not wayland
[04:18]	schestowitz	TDE is still around
[04:18]	schestowitz	kde3
[04:20]	parsifal	schestowitz: Besides Nate, keep in mind that Wayland, Hyprland, Sway and so on are the new cool kids in the neighborhood if you don't happen to know... Just open the unixporn reddit page... LOL
[04:21]	schestowitz	reddit..
[04:21]	schestowitz	Sway/Drew shilling wayland
[04:21]	parsifal	arkanian: I don't like the new hand-wringing fad in the Linux world in recent years.
[04:21]	schestowitz	because... wayland helps them 
[04:23]	arkanian	kde3 sucks
[04:24]	arkanian	im looking forward to kde6
[04:25]	schestowitz	so download kdeneon
[04:25]	schestowitz	the box here uses it
[04:25]	parsifal	schestowitz: The Reddit boycott lasts from day to noon, despite the presence of Lemmy
[04:26]	schestowitz	time-limited strikes?
[04:26]	schestowitz	why not quit 100%?
[04:26]		*jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
[04:26]	schestowitz	if it's bad, it's bad
[04:26]	schestowitz	and they don't get a salary
[04:27]	arkanian	schestowitz: isn't kdeneon based on ubuntu?
[04:28]	schestowitz	https://www.statista.com/statistics/622884/reddit-market-share-of-social-networks-in-italy/
[04:28]	TR Bot	web visit share in Italy 2022 | Statista
[04:28]	schestowitz	arkanian: i didn't say it was not
[04:28]	schestowitz	my main boxes are debian
[04:28]	schestowitz	kdeneon is to experiment with latest kde
[04:29]	parsifal	schestowitz: Because man is imperfect by nature and the majority always prefers convenience to fighting for freedom and the ideal.
[04:29]	parsifal	arkanian: KDE6 is a buggy mess.
[04:30]	schestowitz	arkanian: http://techrights.org/o/2022/09/15/kde-night-color/
[04:30]	TR Bot	 Night Colour in KDE: Small New Feature, Potentially Valuable in This 'Crisis Mode' Era
[04:32]	parsifal	^convenience over
[04:32]	schestowitz	kde6 is not even more freedom
[04:32]	schestowitz	qt6 is all proprietary
[04:32]	schestowitz	later on they unlock some aprts
[04:32]	schestowitz	as "open source"
[04:32]	schestowitz	selectively
[04:32]	schestowitz	and sell LTS
[04:33]	schestowitz	so KDE helps the marketing of it
[04:33]	schestowitz	gtk is almost entirely controlled by IBM and a few boutique shops
[04:33]	schestowitz	https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Open_source_originator_We_have_failed.shtml
[04:33]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Open source originator: 'We have failed
[04:34]	schestowitz	"Bruce Perens is angry. A veritable Jeremiah amid a throng of open source Pollyannas at OpenUK's State of Open Con 24 in London, the co-founder of the Open Source Initiative (OSI) and the Open Source Definition, railed against what he sees as corporate capture of the movement he helped to kickstart.
[04:34]	schestowitz	'
[04:34]	schestowitz	"Failing to pay developers has led to corporate takeover, says Bruce Perens
[04:34]	schestowitz	"
[04:34]	schestowitz	gtk did not start as corporate project
[04:34]	schestowitz	some gnu projects are now suse, ibm etc.
[04:34]	schestowitz	so they just hired the people
[04:34]	schestowitz	and made sure they control
[04:34]	schestowitz	what was originally made for the Commons by volunteers
[04:35]	schestowitz	with "HEY HI" or GAI (plagiarism)
[04:35]	schestowitz	a lot of the supposed "growth" is plunder
[04:35]	schestowitz	and not just from the Commons
[04:35]	schestowitz	it's plagiarising journalists
[04:35]	schestowitz	and then spews out badly glued sentences
[04:36]	schestowitz	while denying them any income
[04:36]	schestowitz	the companies ran out of people to rob and borrow from
[04:36]	schestowitz	so now they tell us ripoff is "AI"
[04:36]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/o/2022/10/28/osi-for-plagiarism/
[04:36]	TR Bot	 OSI for Plagiarism/GPL Violations (Under the Guise of "Hey Hi")... Brought to You by Microsoft
[04:37]	schestowitz	GPL violations are "COPILOT"
[04:37]	schestowitz	take someone else's codee
[04:37]	schestowitz	make a blog to sell in a "store"
[04:38]	arkanian	so throw all the new stuff away?
[04:38]	schestowitz	kde6?
[04:38]	schestowitz	no.
[04:39]	schestowitz	for now, if you want a reliable system, use plasma 5 on x11
[04:39]	schestowitz	or xfce4 whatever...
[04:40]	schestowitz	Re: Via Licensing patent issues
[04:40]	schestowitz	xxxxx wrote on 11/02/2024 17:07:
[04:40]	schestowitz	> Yep, good luck!
[04:40]	schestowitz	We'll write a lot about patents this month.
[04:42]	arkanian	enlightenment on wayland
[04:43]		*schestowitz checking elive
[04:43]	schestowitz	https://www.zdnet.com/article/elive-3-8-34-is-a-thing-of-beauty-that-any-old-school-linux-user-would-love/
[04:44]	TR Bot	3.8.34 is a thing of beauty that any old-school Linux user would love | ZDNET
[04:44]	arkanian	its pretty awesome
[04:44]	schestowitz	https://www.elivecd.org/download/
[04:44]	TR Bot	 Elive Downloads
[04:44]	DaemonFC	schestowitz I was talking to mom about the bum.
[04:45]	DaemonFC	I said if he slipped in and out quietly, he could have gone to the mechanical room and slept in there and nobody would have noticed or even fixed the door.
[04:45]	DaemonFC	The door has been unable to shut for years.
[04:45]	schestowitz	"
[04:45]	schestowitz	The Elive Team is pleased to announce the release of 3.8.34 Beta This new version includes: Nvidia drivers: Lots of improvements have been included, such as support for Optimus cards (Intel + Nvidia GPU laptops), OpenCL, video rendering, switching drivers in Live mode, and a better installation process. Graphical drivers: Much improved for compatibility and support for any performant application like Blender or DaVinci Resolve. Ctrl+Al
[04:45]	schestowitz	t+Del: A special feature created by Elive has been added that runs some helpers to make the life of the user easier. Installer: Many improvements
[04:45]	schestowitz	"
[04:45]	schestowitz	https://www.elivecd.org/releases/beta/elive-3-8-34-beta-released/
[04:45]	TR Bot	 Elive 3.8.34 beta released - Elive Linux
[04:46]	schestowitz	No Wayland
[04:46]	arkanian	thats elive
[04:55]	Sompi	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTl4vEednkQ
[04:55]	TR Bot	https://invidious.privacydev.net/watch?v=wTl4vEednkQ
[04:56]	TR Bot	invidious.privacydev.net | Breaking Bitlocker - Bypassing the Windows Disk Encryption - Invidious
[04:58]		schestowitz schestowitz-pi schestowitz-TR someloaf Sompi svenn 
[04:58]		schestowitz schestowitz-pi schestowitz-TR someloaf Sompi svenn 
[04:59]	schestowitz	Sompi: it is back doors
[04:59]	schestowitz	the microsoft who trolled here do not deny it
[04:59]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/o/2014/07/31/microsoft-back-doors-admission/
[04:59]	TR Bot	 Former Microsoft Engineer Working on Windows BitLocker Confirms Government Asks Microsoft for Back Doors
[04:59]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/o/2015/11/14/microsoft-bitlocker-has-bugback-doors-windows-laptopdesktop-encryption-just-a-farce/
[04:59]	TR Bot	 Microsoft BitLocker Has Bug/Back Doors, Windows Laptop/Desktop Encryption Just a Farce
[04:59]	schestowitz	it is just doing what it's supposed to do
[04:59]	schestowitz	giving people ILLUSION of full disk encryption
[04:59]	Sompi	schestowitz: That's not even a backdoor. It is just the fact that the key has to be unencrypted at some point so that it can be used, so all the attacker has to do is to sniff the key at that point where it is unencrypted.
● Feb 12
[05:00]	schestowitz	while NSA and Microsoft get your private aprts, to use a metaphor
[05:00]		schestowitz schestowitz-pi schestowitz-TR someloaf Sompi svenn 
[05:00]	schestowitz	Sompi: people who pursue disk encryption would not use Windows
[05:01]	schestowitz	if they do, they've been conned
[05:01]	schestowitz	never mind bitlocker... or something else
[05:01]	Sompi	But that is not a backdoor. That's just "security" implemented by people who don't understand what parts of the computer are affected by other parts
[05:01]	schestowitz	i get threatened by people who promote this BS
[05:01]	Sompi	All it does is that it makes it easier for the user to lose data, because now not only the hard disk itself can break, but also the TPM
[05:01]	schestowitz	Sompi: yes, but it is INTENTIONALLY composed at another level
[05:02]	schestowitz	the only encryption windows is good at is called "ransomware"
[05:02]	schestowitz	Windows is VERY good for ransomware
[05:02]		schestowitz schestowitz-pi schestowitz-TR someloaf Sompi svenn 
[05:02]	schestowitz	Sompi: the first line of defence is physical
[05:03]	schestowitz	who has phystical access to your things
[05:03]	schestowitz	like, don't take them through airports
[05:03]	schestowitz	my laptop never left the hope
[05:03]	schestowitz	since it got here
[05:03]	schestowitz	*home
[05:03]	DaemonFC	I used a Cascade Platinum dishwasher pac in really hot water and I'm soaking all my coffee stuff in it. Brew baskets, insulated mugs, carafes.
[05:03]	Sompi	INTERDEPENDENCIES is the word. The people who design this kind of modern "security" don't understand the interdependencies between different computer parts, and this is what we end up with
[05:03]	Sompi	This UEFI/TPM/BitLocker crap
[05:04]	schestowitz	Sompi: some did not study CS
[05:04]	schestowitz	they are imposters
[05:04]	schestowitz	and they try to threaten those who point this out
[05:04]	Sompi	You don't need to study CS to understand interdependencies
[05:04]	schestowitz	facts are "libel"
[05:04]	schestowitz	Sompi: yes, designed to fail
[05:04]	schestowitz	and DRM
[05:04]	DaemonFC	Ransomware is pretty terrible.
[05:04]	schestowitz	which is related to the middle one
[05:04]	schestowitz	TPM
[05:04]	DaemonFC	You can install all the UEFI updates you want.
[05:05]	schestowitz	bitlocker is for locking YOU out
[05:05]	schestowitz	don't worry
[05:05]	DaemonFC	It doesn't matter. There are more problems next month. That's if they even bother to ever update it at all.
[05:05]	schestowitz	ask Microsoft for your keys
[05:05]	schestowitz	it backs those up with the NSA
[05:05]	parsifal	Don't talk bad about $, they are already our boys and they have a sudo... LOL
[05:05]	schestowitz	aask the NSA for your key
[05:05]	schestowitz	and good luck
[05:05]	DaemonFC	Then it only lets you install the updates if you use Windows, and they MAY brick your motherboard if you apply them.
[05:05]	schestowitz	they can get into your data
[05:05]	schestowitz	and now YOU cannot
[05:05]	DaemonFC	This is what you get with bloated firmware.
[05:06]	schestowitz	happened to MinceR 
[05:06]	schestowitz	last year, IIRC
[05:06]	DaemonFC	Updating firmware is a bigger threat than the malware.
[05:06]	schestowitz	Sompi would say, use BIOS
[05:06]	DaemonFC	You can end up ruining a thousand dollar computer using the correct update file and the updater they handed you.
[05:06]	schestowitz	or some improved BIOS
[05:07]	schestowitz	also see:https://people.inf.ethz.ch/wirth/Articles/LeanSoftware.pdf
[05:07]	schestowitz	https://people.inf.ethz.ch/wirth/Articles/LeanSoftware.pdf
[05:08]	schestowitz	by Niklaus Wirth
[05:08]	schestowitz	https://medium.com/@steve_7312/niklaus-wirth-and-no-bloat-financial-computing-a9a7181d1671
[05:08]	TR Bot	Wirth and No-Bloat Financial Computing | by Steve Wilcockson | Jan, 2024 | Medium
[05:08]	schestowitz	https://computerhistory.org/blog/in-memoriam-niklaus-wirth-1934-2024/
[05:08]	TR Bot	 In Memoriam: Niklaus Wirth (19342024) - CHM
[05:08]	schestowitz	- C.A.R. Hoare, There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult.
[05:09]	schestowitz	
[05:09]	schestowitz	    The belief that complex systems require armies of designers and programmers is wrong. A system that is not understood in its entirety, or at least to a significant degree of detail by a single individual, should probably not be built.
[05:09]	schestowitz	    Niklaus Wirth (Feb. 1995), A Plea for Lean Software, IEEE Computer
[05:09]	schestowitz	A primary cause of complexity is that software vendors uncritically adopt almost any feature that users want.
[05:09]	schestowitz	 Niklaus Wirth
[05:09]	schestowitz	the techrights tools are light
[05:10]	schestowitz	not always elegant
[05:10]	schestowitz	but our software is typically dozens of lines of code
[05:10]	schestowitz	some is thousands
[05:10]	schestowitz	but for very large jobs
[05:10]	schestowitz	like the code running the site by making pages in gemini and http/html
[05:10]	schestowitz	wordpress is bloat
[05:10]	schestowitz	if you run a site
[05:10]	schestowitz	and there is wordpress in it
[05:11]	schestowitz	even if you do not run any of your own code
[05:11]	schestowitz	and no wordpress plugin
[05:11]	schestowitz	you already have BLOAT
[05:11]	schestowitz	and automattic will issue critical security fixes every x months
[05:11]	schestowitz	then good luck updating or worse... upgrading
[05:11]	schestowitz	not because you need to
[05:11]	schestowitz	but because they tell you
[05:11]	schestowitz	you cannot stay "behind"
[05:12]	schestowitz	so you always have security flaws
[05:12]	schestowitz	that are not your fault
[05:12]	schestowitz	it's some bloated software you installed
[05:14]	parsifal	Software complexity, I'm seeing more of the opposite - removing features and tailoring to the average dumb mouse clicker user...
[05:15]	Sompi	It is pseudocomplexity
[05:15]	Sompi	They remove features but still the program somehow grows bigger
[05:17]	parsifal	programs years ago were fast and optimized, now they are slow mush of buggy code bloated to the nth degree,
[05:23]	Sompi	Compare Windows 11 and some old version of Windows (3.11, 95 or 98). The newest version has less applications but still requires thousand times more disk space
[05:23]	Sompi	It does not even have a word processor anymore
[05:25]	Sompi	07:15 <+Sompi> It is pseudocomplexity <- I meant pseudosimplicity, of course
[05:30]	parsifal	Sompi: I can't make such a comparison luckily, I haven't used this ****** for over 20 years, neither at work nor at home ;)
[05:43]	TR News	Techrights When Misogynists Who Assault and Dox Innocent Women Resort to Committing Perjury in a Desperate Attempt to Silence Their Victims http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/When_Misogynists_Who_Assault_and_Dox_Innocent_Women_Resort_to_C.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/When_Misogynists_Who_Assault_and_Dox_Innocent_Women_Resort_to_C.gmi 
[05:43]	TR Bot	 Techrights When Misogynists Who Assault and Dox Innocent Women Resort to Committing Perjury in a Desperate Attempt to Silence Their Victims
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[05:50]	DaemonFC	http://toastytech.com/evil/rants.html
[05:50]	TR Bot	 Rants
[05:50]	DaemonFC	8/24/2023
[05:50]	DaemonFC	So, I have been forced to use a work Windows 11 laptop. The right-click desktop menus are totally retarded, I ALWAYS have to click  "more options" to show the real menus to find what I want. Total user interface failure.
[05:50]	DaemonFC	But at least it worked... well, until a few weeks ago when it did an update and started randomly BSODing with a bullshit "Kernel Security Check Failure. Uninstalled the update, told it to "pause"and all was well. Until Microsoft, in their infinite glorious ass-fucking wisdom, decided I was no longer allowed to avoid updating. I had kind of hoped that they fixed their shitty code, or...
[05:50]	DaemonFC	...automatically identified whatever the problem was, but nope. Back to BSODing.
[05:50]	DaemonFC	After some wild guessing, I manually updated the video driver. That seemed to fix the problem. Remember, this machine does not even belong to me, so I shouldn't have to do anything with it.
[05:50]	DaemonFC	But no, there was nothing that indicated there was any known compatibility problem. The driver that had been installed was the exact same version that was still posted on the laptop vendor's (ASUS) web site. Had to use the Radeon driver directly from the AMD site instead.
[05:50]	DaemonFC	As best as I can tell this last update added kernel integrity checks that broke some drivers. You just don't break drivers like that in a minor update. That is dumb.
[05:50]	DaemonFC	That also raises the question of why Windows does not automatically update drivers. There is still an entire malware market out there for tools that automatically "update" drivers. At least in the case of a KNOWN INCOMPATIBILITY, it should damn well do SOMETHING. 
[05:50]	DaemonFC	----
[05:50]	DaemonFC	schestowitz ^
[05:51]	DaemonFC	9/10/2023
[05:51]	DaemonFC	I've got to hand it to Microsoft, only they could make something as simple as turning on a computer such a big ordeal. Every time I have to turn on a Windows 10/11 computer I have to worry: Will it want to do updates for the next hour instead of letting me get things done? Will it spend all morning sluggishly scanning for viruses? Will it suddenly show me more advertising that I have to hunt...
[05:52]	DaemonFC	...down and disable? Will it take away features today that I need to get work done? Will it add unnecessary hoops that I have to jump through to get things done? Will it refuse to boot, making me waste time digging out and restoring a backup? Will it suddenly start BSODing? (happened already) Will it suddenly magically stop recognizing my I/O devices? (also already happened). Will I have to...
[05:52]	DaemonFC	...re-learn everything all over again? Will it tell me that I am suddenly "unsupported" and have to run out and buy a new computer for some retarded arbitrary reason that gives me less than zero benefit.
[05:52]	DaemonFC	Microsoft. Where do you want to go today? Well, forget it, we have updates for you! 
[05:53]	schestowitz	https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/01/29/I_m_going_to_switch_to_Linux_if_Windows_continue_like_that.shtml
[05:53]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Im going to switch to Linux if Windows continue like that
[05:53]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: ads too
[05:53]	schestowitz	and, they say
[05:53]	schestowitz	sticking shitGPT everywhere
[05:53]	schestowitz	because usage collapsed
[05:53]	schestowitz	and they need to hide it
[05:54]	schestowitz	by putting it in people's faces
[05:54]	schestowitz	via Windows Update and Clown
[05:54]	DaemonFC	Including a button that's made for you to accidentally press.
[05:54]	schestowitz	so people might make some "queries"
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[06:03]	parsifal	"Im going to switch to Linux if Windows continue like that" - take your time, wait some more...
[06:06]	parsifal	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEGqZspZtfw
[06:06]	TR Bot	https://iv.ggtyler.dev/watch?v=IEGqZspZtfw
[06:06]	TR Bot	iv.ggtyler.dev | This Wayland Issue Will Get You Banned - Invidious
[06:06]	schestowitz	ppppacomfort zone
[06:06]	Sompi	http://sininenankka.dy.fi/kuvauppi/upload/1berda.jpg
[06:09]	DaemonFC	https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-biden-economy-why-working-class-votes-trump-republican.html
[06:09]	TR Bot	 Final Proof That Trumps Appeal Was Never About the Economy
[06:09]	DaemonFC	" It is historically difficult to find a period of time in which an incumbent president, absent a major scandal or failed war, has suffered such miserable public approval in the face of widespread prosperity."
[06:09]	DaemonFC	Guy strung out on drugs pissing in your laundry room?
[06:09]	DaemonFC	Widespread prosperity.
[06:09]	DaemonFC	Crime off the charts? Widespread prosperity!
[06:09]	DaemonFC	Record layoffs? Widespread propserity!
[06:10]	DaemonFC	Haven't had a raise in 3 years and 1 million more illegals competing for your job? WIDESPREAD PROSPERITY!
[06:10]	DaemonFC	Inflation running twice as bad as usual? Widespread prosperity!
[06:15]	TR News	 (NEW):  Sooner or Later One in Ten Laptops (or Desktops) in the UK Will Run GNU/Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Sooner_or_Later_One_in_Ten_Laptops_or_Desktops_in_the_UK_Will_R.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Sooner_or_Later_One_in_Ten_Laptops_or_Desktops_in_the_UK_Will_R.gmi 
[06:15]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Sooner or Later One in Ten Laptops (or Desktops) in the UK Will Run GNU/Linux
[06:17]	parsifal	<http://sininenankka.dy.fi/kuvauppi/upload/1berda.jpg> the next one will be better... definitely lol
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[06:19]	TR News	"I maintain two builds of the Linux kernel, a linux/arm64 build for gokrazy, my Go appliance platform" https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2024-02-11-minimal-linux-bootloader-debugging-story/ | Source: Michael Stapelberg
[06:19]	TR Bot	 Minimal Linux Bootloader debugging story - Michael Stapelberg
[06:21]	TR News	"inconvenient truth" https://computer.rip/2024-02-11-the-top-of-the-DNS-hierarchy.html | Source: Computers Are Bad
[06:21]	TR Bot	 2024-02-11 the top of the DNS hierarchy
[06:21]	TR News	"Last time when I wrote Tiny UPS for Tiny NAS I fucked up." https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2024/02/11/tiny-ups-for-tiny-nas-reloaded/ | Source: Vermaden
[06:21]	TR Bot	 Tiny UPS for Tiny NAS Reloaded | 
[06:21]	TR News	"In theory, what I should do to back up my home desktop is fairly straightforward." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/HomeBackupPlans2024 | Source: University of Toronto
[06:21]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/HomeBackupPlans2024
[06:22]	TR News	"It makes little sense to give any random board game that occupies a spot in your shelf the personal uplifting treatmentno" https://brainbaking.com/post/2024/02/pimp-your-boardgame/ | Source: Wouter Groeneveld
[06:22]	TR Bot	 Pimp Your Board Games | Brain Baking
[06:29]	TR News	"It looks like one last hurrah was premature for the "Nexus" line: we find ourselves back again already" https://kodi.tv/article/kodi-20-4-nexus-release/ | Source: Kodi Foundation
[06:29]	TR Bot	 Kodi 20.4 "Nexus" - Release | News | Kodi
[06:30]	TR News	"In the 1950s, many fighter planes used the Bendix Central Air Data Computer (CADC) to compute airspeed" http://www.righto.com/2024/02/reverse-engineering-analog-bendix-air.html | Source: Ken Shirriff
[06:30]	TR Bot	 Reverse-engineering an analog Bendix air data computer: part 4, the Mach section
[06:30]	TR News	"My power budget for this machine is around 100W idle, and right now it sits just over 150W." https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/building-efficient-server-grade-arm-nas | Source: Jeff Geerling
[06:30]	TR Bot	 Building an efficient server-grade Arm NAS | Jeff Geerling
[06:33]	Sompi	I thought ARM CPUs are low power
[06:34]	DaemonFC	Were endlessly lectured by progressive elites in politics and the media about how GREAT the Biden economy is, claims conservative pundit Batya Ungar-Sargon. It actually is great if, like the elites lecturing you, you own a house and have a stock portfolio. But for most Americans who live paycheck to paycheck, its awful.
[06:35]	DaemonFC	Absolutely true.
[06:35]	DaemonFC	I think only about 10% of Americans own any meaningful amount of the stock market.
[06:35]	DaemonFC	So pointing to what the Dow is doing doesn't mean anything.
[06:35]	DaemonFC	It goes down, you lose your job. It goes up, you lose your job.
[06:38]	DaemonFC	For most people it doesn't matter what the stock market does.
[06:39]	DaemonFC	Even people who save in a retirement program don't actually get more money than they put in it. Even if you consider the employer match and only put in what the employer matches, and assuming they match that at 100%....You need that match just to have as much money as you put in yourself, after several decades of inflation.
[06:39]	DaemonFC	" But the news narrative about the economy has turned sharply positive in recent months, and feelings about the economy have turned north as well. Even so, Bidens polling continues to worsen."
[06:40]	DaemonFC	Who are they polling? They never asked me how confident I was in the economy.
[06:40]	DaemonFC	The last time anyone asked me anything, it was a telephone poll about whether I approved of George W. Bush and I told them absolutely not.
[06:40]	DaemonFC	Obviously how I felt about Bush didn't matter much. He was re-elected.
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[06:41]	DaemonFC	Only near the end when the economy was so bad that everyone threw their keys in the mailbox and gave up on owning a house, did anyone really see him for what he was. Aside from people like me, I suppose.
[06:42]	DaemonFC	If I had it to do over again I would have taken an interest only mortgage and lived in a house for 5 years and not taken care of anything and filed bankruptcy.
[06:42]	DaemonFC	I feel like a putz, having paid rent all that time.
[06:42]	DaemonFC	Everyone else got to pretend like the American dream was alive.
[06:45]	TR News	 (NEW):  Affordable Radxa ZERO 3W Featuring Up to 8GB RAM and Onboard eMMC Storage http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Affordable_Radxa_ZERO_3W_Featuring_Up_to_8GB_RAM_and_Onboard_eM.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Affordable_Radxa_ZERO_3W_Featuring_Up_to_8GB_RAM_and_Onboard_eM.gmi 
[06:45]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Affordable Radxa ZERO 3W Featuring Up to 8GB RAM and Onboard eMMC Storage
[06:55]	TR News	"I was curious whether R could identify her lipstick color." https://www.r-bloggers.com/2024/02/taylor-swift-and-data-analysis/ | Source: Rlang
[06:55]	TR Bot	Swift and Data Analysis | R-bloggers
[06:56]	TR News	"The thesis of this talk is that we've unknowingly shipped an effect system as part of the language in since Rust 1.0." https://blog.yoshuawuyts.com/extending-rusts-effect-system/ | Source: Yoshua Wuyts
[06:56]	TR Bot	 Extending Rust's Effect System
[06:56]	TR News	"This simple but verbose error handling works okay and makes us painfully aware of all the possible error paths." https://rednafi.com/go/anemic_stack_traces/ | Source: Redowan Delowar
[06:56]	TR Bot	 Anemic stack traces in Go | Redowan's Reflections
[06:57]	TR News	 (NEW):  Review: Adelie Linux 1.0 Beta http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Review_Adelie_Linux_1_0_Beta.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Review_Adelie_Linux_1_0_Beta.gmi 
[06:57]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Review: Adelie Linux 1.0 Beta
[06:57]	TR News	"one of the biggest changes" https://tedium.co/2024/02/09/intel-pci-standardization-history/ | Source: Tedium
[06:57]	TR Bot	 PCI Slot History: A Success Story Rooted In Corporate Deception
[06:58]	TR News	"I already have a /bookmarks page where I capture links and highlights; it even has its own RSS feed!" https://www.josemunozmatos.com/blog/automating-a-monthly-link-roundup-january-2024 | Source: Jose Munoz
[06:58]	TR Bot	 Automating a monthly link roundup: January 2024
[06:59]	TR News	"What does all of this mean for my no-syndication experiment? As of now, nothing has changed." https://www.amitgawande.com/2024/02/11/update-on-nosyndication.html | Source: Amit Gawande
[06:59]	TR Bot	 Update on No-Syndication Experiment - Amit Gawande
[06:59]	TR News	"On Tuesday, the Vilnius Academy of Arts announced that one of its lecturers and an alumna discovered Three Muses" https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2192355/stained-glass-work-discovered-in-vilnius-strip-club-to-be-given-state-protection | Source: LRT
[06:59]	TR Bot	 Stained glass work discovered in Vilnius strip club to be given state protection - LRT
[06:59]	TR News	"This is the 24th edition of People and Blogs, the series where I ask interesting people to talk about themselves and their blogs." https://manuelmoreale.com/pb-phil-gyford | Source: Manuel Moreale
[06:59]	TR Bot	 P&B: Phil Gyford Manu
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[07:00]	Sompi	https://www.newsweek.com/viral-video-joe-biden-scratching-neck-conspiracy-theory-1794831
[07:00]	TR Bot	 Viral Video of Joe Biden Scratching Neck Sparks Wild Conspiracy Theory
[07:01]	Sompi	Firefox doesn't let me download that video
[07:02]	Sompi	It seems to be a normal HTML5 video element
[07:05]	TR News	 (NEW):  Firefox Devs Working on Tab Previews http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Firefox_Devs_Working_on_Tab_Previews.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Firefox_Devs_Working_on_Tab_Previews.gmi 
[07:05]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Firefox Devs Working on Tab Previews
[07:05]	DaemonFC	Richard Stallman is complaining about national IDs.
[07:06]	DaemonFC	I have 7 government ID cards because we don't have one.
[07:06]	DaemonFC	They all have different purposes, you need most to renew the other ones, and they all expire at different times and require being renewed separately and for different fees.
[07:09]	TR News	 (NEW):  Ubuntu Core Desktop Debut No Longer Planned for April http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Ubuntu_Core_Desktop_Debut_No_Longer_Planned_for_April.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Ubuntu_Core_Desktop_Debut_No_Longer_Planned_for_April.gmi 
[07:09]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Ubuntu Core Desktop Debut No Longer Planned for April
[07:09]	DaemonFC	John got one of those stupid ridiculous Enhanced Driver's Licenses. It's really expensive.
[07:10]	DaemonFC	https://www.dhs.gov/enhanced-drivers-licenses-what-are-they
[07:10]	TR Bot	 Enhanced Drivers Licenses: What Are They? | Homeland Security
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[08:36]	DaemonFC	https://finance.yahoo.com/news/buy-walmart-stock-ahead-3-105000627.html
[08:36]	TR Bot	 Should You Buy Walmart Stock Ahead of Its 3-for-1 Stock Split?
[08:36]	DaemonFC	Stock splits are a gimmick.
[08:55]	DaemonFC	schestowitz Between the layoffs and rate cuts, I think the bank is trying to trim the edges.
[08:55]	DaemonFC	The high rates from the Fed are clearly hurting them.
[08:55]	DaemonFC	They're exposed to car loans that people are defaulting on more often.
[08:56]	DaemonFC	People do try to keep their cars, but everything has a breaking point.
[08:57]	DaemonFC	There's collateral (the cars), but unlike houses, cars lose value the older they get. And so people aren't as keen on trying to save them, unless they have no other way to get to work, and they still have work.
[08:58]	DaemonFC	When a bank does get a car back, it gets very little for it at auction after paying people to repossess it and store it.
[08:58]	DaemonFC	Pretty much the car's entire value disappears in the repo as far as the person who lost it is concerned.
[08:58]	DaemonFC	So they end up losing the car and still owing the bank nearly as much as they did before, and no car.
[08:59]	DaemonFC	The repo is more of a punishment than it is a gain for the bank.
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[09:48]	schestowitz	<DaemonFC> I have 7 government ID cards because we don't have one.
[09:48]	schestowitz	which country has just 1 or 2?
[09:49]	TR News	"Nikodemos hoped to correct this by collecting and printing texts that would otherwise fall to dust." https://phys.org/news/2024-02-digital-technologies-ancient-manuscripts-accessible.html | Source: Omicron Limited
[09:49]	TR Bot	 Digital technologies have made ancient manuscripts more accessible than ever, but there are risks and losses, too
[09:49]	TR News	"preliminary experiment, Kyoko Yamaguchi and her student Faith Erin Cain from Liverpool John Moores University" https://www.sciencealert.com/the-color-of-your-eyes-could-actually-affect-your-reading-ability | Source: Science Alert
[09:49]	TR Bot	Color of Your Eyes Could Actually Affect Your Reading Ability : ScienceAlert
[09:51]	TR News	"For the first time ever, I was laid off, and had to find a new software developer job." https://henrikwarne.com/2024/02/11/finding-a-new-software-developer-job/ | Source: Henrik Warne
[09:51]	TR Bot	 Finding a New Software Developer Job | Henrik Warne's blog
[09:51]	TR News	"Putting it another way, your work can only be as interesting as your problems." https://danielmiessler.com/p/fulfillment-work-problems | Source: Daniel Miessler
[09:51]	TR Bot	 Your Work Can Only Be As Good As Your Problems Are Meaningful
[09:51]	TR News	"What is your current goal? You may have a professional, or personal one." https://gregoryhammond.ca/blog/making-progress-on-your-goals/ | Source: Gregory Hammond
[09:51]	TR Bot	 Making progress on your goals - Gregory Hammond
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[09:53]	schestowitz	<Sompi> https://www.newsweek.com/viral-video-joe-biden-scratching-neck-conspiracy-theory-1794831
[09:53]	TR Bot	 Viral Video of Joe Biden Scratching Neck Sparks Wild Conspiracy Theory
[09:53]	schestowitz	this seems like clicbait to me
[09:53]	schestowitz	suppose this is this conspiracy theory
[09:53]	schestowitz	they give it more publicity
[09:54]	schestowitz	*clickbait
[09:54]	TR News	"I have been reading through a book on Theology recently." https://cosmicqbit.dev/more-logical-fallacies/ | Source: Shariq Raza Qadri
[09:54]	TR Bot	 Logical Fallacies - Part II
[09:54]	schestowitz	my wife is sexually harassed by a person who thinks some humans are reptiles
[09:54]	schestowitz	but that does not mean I will publish articles about that belief
[09:55]	TR News	"This puts a whole new perspective on the term sustainable business and makes it feel like even more of an oxymoron" https://tomgreenwood.substack.com/p/should-we-abolish-busyness | Source: Tom Greenwood
[09:55]	TR Bot	 Should we abolish busyness? - by Tom Greenwood - Oxymoron
[09:55]	schestowitz	if anything, this shows deterioration of the media
[09:55]	schestowitz	newsweek was bought by mr. salesforce
[09:55]	schestowitz	i.e. it is literally and directly oligarch-owned publisher
[09:56]	TR News	"For years, I would hear people say that it takes 100 days to develop a new habit. I didnt set out to do that." https://mandarismoore.com/2024/02/09/the.html | Source: Mandaris Moore
[09:56]	TR Bot	 The 100 - Mandaris
[09:57]	TR News	"z/Architecture is a mainframe computer architecture supporting 24-bit, 31-bit, and 64-bit addressing modes." https://maskray.me/blog/2024-02-11-toolchain-notes-on-z-architecture | Source: MaskRay
[09:57]	TR Bot	 Toolchain notes on z/Architecture | MaskRay
[09:57]	TR News	"However, two years of using tactile switches led me to reconsider what I wanted in a switch." https://abf.li/posts/from-tactile-to-linear-keyboard-switches/ | Source: Andre Franca
[09:57]	TR Bot	 From Tactile to Linear Keyboard Switches Andre Franca
[09:58]	TR News	"With EyeControl technology, the medical team can detect when a patient has regained consciousness" https://www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/2024-02-11/ty-article-magazine/the-israeli-startup-making-communication-with-patients-under-anesthesia-possible/0000018d-97b1-d443-a19f-ffb1711f0000 | Source: Haaretz
[09:58]	TR Bot	to the Unconscious: Israelis Reduce Delirium During Surgery - Science & Health - Haaretz.com
[09:59]	DaemonFC	[Monday 3:48:51am]schestowitzwhich country has just 1 or 2?
[09:59]	DaemonFC	Stallman says some have a national ID.
[09:59]	schestowitz	wait, what?
[09:59]	schestowitz	national ID is not good
[09:59]	schestowitz	we nearly had that
[09:59]	schestowitz	and it got srcapped
● Feb 12
[10:00]	schestowitz	rightly so
[10:00]	schestowitz	around 2010
[10:00]	DaemonFC	I now have a REAL ID driver's license, which is national ID by another name (state driver's license with federal database).
[10:00]	DaemonFC	Passport.
[10:00]	DaemonFC	Passport Card.
[10:00]	DaemonFC	Firearm Owner Identification Card (FOID)
[10:00]	DaemonFC	Conceal and Carry Permit (CCW/CCL)
[10:00]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: https://invidious.protokolla.fi/watch?v=f4KbJLpu7yo
[10:00]	TR Bot	 I, Daniel Blake - Official Trailer I HD I IFC Films - Invidious
[10:00]	DaemonFC	Social Security Card.
[10:00]	DaemonFC	Birth Certificate
[10:01]	TR News	"Autonomous murderbot tries to drive through Chinese New Year street party, gets whole entire ass handed to it." https://www.jwz.org/blog/2024/02/burn-robot-burn/ | Source: Jamie Zawinski
[10:01]	TR Bot	 jwz: Burn Robot Burn!
[10:01]	DaemonFC	https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/il-gun-laws/
[10:01]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/il-gun-laws/ )
[10:02]	DaemonFC	Use of Force in Defense of Other Property
[10:02]	DaemonFC	A person is justified in the use of force when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent or terminate such others trespass on or other tortious or criminal interference with either real property (other than a dwelling) or personal property, lawfully in ones possession or in the possession of another who is a member of his or her...
[10:02]	DaemonFC	...immediate family or household or of a person whose property one has a legal duty to protect. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
[10:02]	DaemonFC	Use of Force in Defense of Dwelling
[10:02]	DaemonFC	A person is justified in the use of force when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent or terminate such others unlawful entry into or attack upon a dwelling. However, one is justified in the use of deadly force only if:
[10:02]	DaemonFC	The entry is made or attempted in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, and he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent an assault upon, or offer of personal violence to, ones self or another then in the dwelling, or
[10:02]	DaemonFC	He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent the commission of a felony in the dwelling.
[10:02]	TR News	"There were thousands and thousands of people" https://sfstandard.com/2024/02/10/waymo-robotaxi-goes-up-in-flames-in-chinatown-after-crowd-attacks-vehicle/ | Source: The San Fancisco Standard
[10:02]	TR Bot	 Waymo robotaxi set on fire in San Francisco's Chinatown
[10:03]	TR News	Windows TCO https://www.databreaches.net/cyberattack-at-armentieres-hospital-emergency-rooms-closed-for-the-day/ | Source: Data Breaches
[10:03]	TR Bot	 Cyberattack at Armentires hospital, emergency rooms closed for the day
[10:03]	TR News	Windows TCO https://www.theregister.com/2002/11/21/ms_paper_touts_unix/ | Source: The Register UK
[10:03]	TR Bot	 MS paper touts Unix in Hotmail's Win2k switch The Register
[10:03]	DaemonFC	schestowitz In other words, when it comes to defense of the home, if you believe they will commit any felony, or if you think they're there to cause violence, or if they enter your house in a violent, riotous, or tumultuous manner, deadly force is authorized.
[10:04]	TR News	"Received this official-looking document in the mail by virtue of having my address associated with my failed startup." https://www.jonathanychan.com/blog/corporate-processing-service-scam/ | Source: Jonathan Y Chan
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Corporate Processing Service Scam | jyc
[10:04]	TR News	"Aside from the privacy and implementation concerns noted in the last post" https://chrismcleod.dev/blog/more-words-on-webmentions-and-backfeed/ | Source: Chris McLeod
[10:04]	TR Bot	 More Words on Webmentions (and Backfeed) Chris McLeod
[10:04]	DaemonFC	But outside the home you have to believe it is necessary to stop them from committing a forcible felony. (Rape, murder, etc.)
[10:05]	schestowitz	seems excessive
[10:05]	schestowitz	based on belief
[10:05]	schestowitz	you can believe anything
[10:07]	TR News	"Worldwide, families are shrinking" https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cousins-decline-canada-1.7103338 | Source: CBC
[10:07]	TR Bot	 Cousins are disappearing. Is this reshaping the experience of childhood? | CBC News
[10:08]	TR News	[Old] "Roaring Penguin's David Skoll has written a fine rebuttal to the ADTI whitepaper." https://www.theregister.com/2002/06/11/antiopen_source_whitepaper_devastated/ | Source: The Register UK
[10:08]	TR Bot	 Anti-open source whitepaper devastated The Register
[10:09]	TR News	"Funny, isnt it? The Canadian government seems to not have any security expert to consult with." https://alirezahayati.com/2024/02/11/canada-to-ban-flipper-zero/ | Source: Ali Reza Hayati
[10:09]	TR Bot	 Canada to ban Flipper Zero! - Ali Reza Hayati
[10:10]	TR News	"There's nothing inherently wrong or illegal about that, though it will alarm civil libertarians and does need to be regulated." https://phys.org/news/2024-02-late-great-election-disinformation-campaigns.html | Source: Omicron Limited
[10:10]	TR Bot	 It may be too late to stop the great election disinformation campaigns of 2024 but we at least have to try
[10:11]	TR News	"Silvia Vias is the co-host of a new podcast about Bukele, Bukele: El seor de Los Sueos." https://www.vox.com/today-explained-podcast/2024/2/11/24067962/el-salvador-vote-democracy-bukele-dictator-gangs-crypto | Source: Vox
[10:11]	TR Bot	Bukele, El Salvadors self-described coolest dictator, wins reelection - Vox
[10:12]	TR News	"The guidelines are being drafted under Article 35 of the DSA" https://www.jurist.org/news/2024/02/european-commission-begins-drafting-new-guidelines-to-combat-election-disinformation/ | Source: JURIST
[10:12]	TR Bot	 European Commission begins drafting new guidelines to combat election disinformation - JURIST - News
[10:12]	TR News	"The palace said its legal team was investigating a report that a number of books are being sold on Amazon with false claims" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/king-charles-cancer-ai-books-b2494197.html | Source: The Independent UK
[10:12]	TR Bot	 Buckingham Palace hits out over claims AI is being used to write books about Charles cancer | The Independent
[10:13]	TR News	"Jeff Bezos' platform takes up to 65 per cent of the books' sale price." https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/ai-made-books-with-sick-lies-about-king-charles-cancer-prompt-furious-response-f/ | Source: LBC
[10:13]	TR Bot	 AI-made books with sick lies about King Charles' cancer prompt furious response from... - LBC
[10:14]	TR News	"Under Labors planned workplace reforms, workers will soon have the right to ignore unreasonable calls and emails" https://michaelwest.com.au/right-to-disconnect-changes-require-common-sense-labor/ | Source: Michael West Media
[10:14]	TR Bot	 Right to disconnect changes require common sense: Labor - Michael West
[10:14]	TR News	700 fines for illegal taxis https://www.ekathimerini.com/economy/1231328/cyprus-eyes-e700-fines-for-illegal-taxis/ | Source: Greece
[10:14]	TR Bot	eyes 700 fines forillegal taxis | eKathimerini.com
[10:15]	TR News	"Across Europe, platform workers have won a series of court cases ruling that they are employees" https://jacobin.com/2024/02/eu-platform-work-uber-macron/ | Source: Jacobin Magazine
[10:15]	TR Bot	 In Europe, Platform Workers Are Winning Limited Protections
[10:16]	TR News	"Anderson tells the history of the Protestant Work Ethic and how it gave rise to dueling interpretations." https://www.vox.com/the-gray-area/24034358/gray-area-work-labor-miserable-protestant-ethic | Source: Vox
[10:16]	TR Bot	the Protestant work ethic is making American labor miserable - Vox
[10:18]	TR News	"Some massive bad news is coming out of the south of Limpopo relating to Starlink." https://www.techzim.co.zw/2024/02/starlink-deactivates-350-400-accounts-in-south-africa-should-zim-users-be-worried/ | Source: Zimbabwe
[10:18]	TR Bot	 Starlink deactivates 350-400 accounts in South Africa. Should Zim users be worried? - Techzim
[10:18]	TR News	"signed an agreement" https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/apple-to-settle-trade-secrets-lawsuit-against-chip-startup-rivos/articleshow/107572135.cms | Source: India Times
[10:18]	TR Bot	 Apple: Apple to settle trade secrets lawsuit against chip startup Rivos - The Economic Times
[10:19]	TR News	"Supervision will be undertaken by the National Council for Radio and Television" https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1231304/bill-seeks-to-bring-order-to-the-internet/ | Source: Greece
[10:19]	TR Bot	seeks to bring order to the internet | eKathimerini.com
[10:20]	TR News	"Get into big science and machine learning with Anaconda on Ubuntu" https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-install-anaconda-on-ubuntu/
[10:20]	TR Bot	 How to install Anaconda on Ubuntu
[10:20]	TR News	"Ubuntu's popularity often makes it the default choice for new Linux users. But there are tons of other Linux operating systems that deserve your attention. As such, I've highlighted some Ubuntu alternatives so you can choose based on your needs and requirementsbecause conformity is boring." https://www.howtogeek.com/ubuntu-isnt-your-only-option-in-linux/
[10:20]	TR Bot	 New to Linux? Ubuntu Isnt Your Only Option
[10:21]	TR News	"Here's how it went with the switch to Fedora." https://news.itsfoss.com/fedora-ubuntu-switch/
[10:21]	TR Bot	 I Switched to Fedora From Ubuntu: Going Back Again!
[10:22]	TR News	Navigating the EOL of PHP 8.0: Immediate Actions and Long-Term Strategies https://tuxcare.com/blog/navigating-the-eol-of-php-8-0-immediate-actions-and-long-term-strategies/
[10:22]	TR Bot	 PHP 8.0 EOL Guide: Upgrade and Secure Your Systems Now
[10:23]	TR News	"This releases fixes two issues in the Dolphin file manager, including a crash that occurred when using kio-admin to do privilege escalation." https://9to5linux.com/kde-frameworks-5-115-improves-copy-move-of-large-number-of-files
[10:23]	TR Bot	Frameworks 5.115 Improves Copy/Move of Large Number of Files - 9to5Linux
[10:23]	TR News	"The chroot command creates virtualized copies of a software system, and Atom allows you to do so within a GUI." https://thenewstack.io/linux-manage-chroot-environments-with-atoms/
[10:23]	TR Bot	 Linux: Manage chroot Environments with Atoms - The New Stack
[10:24]	TR News	"At time of writing HELLDIVERS 2 has 100,768 players online just on Steam, so it's clearly another big early hit for 2024. And it seems the most popular Sony PlayStation release on Steam so far." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/02/proton-hotfix-updated-to-support-helldivers-2-on-steam-deck-linux/
[10:24]	TR Bot	Hotfix updated to support HELLDIVERS 2 on Steam Deck / Linux | GamingOnLinux
[10:25]	TR News	"This 14-inch Linux laptop is light, thin, powerful, and full of battery-saving customization options. It's one of the best Linux laptops we've tested." https://www.wired.com/review/tuxedo-infinitybook-pro-14-linux-laptop/
[10:25]	TR Bot	InfinityBook Pro Review (2024): A Top Linux Laptop | WIRED
[10:25]	TR News	"NASAs efforts are similar, with Ingenuity in particular heavily using OTS parts, along with NASAs open source, C++-based F (F Prime) framework. The chopper also uses some version of the Linux kernel on a Snapdragon 801 SoC, which as we have seen over the past 72 flights works very well." https://hackaday.com/2024/02/10/the-usage-of-embedded-linux-in-spacecraft/
[10:25]	TR Bot	Usage Of Embedded Linux In Spacecraft | Hackaday
[10:28]	DaemonFC	[Monday 4:05:13am]schestowitzseems excessive
[10:28]	DaemonFC	[Monday 4:05:21am]schestowitzbased on belief
[10:28]	DaemonFC	[Monday 4:05:27am]schestowitzyou can believe anything
[10:28]	DaemonFC	"Reasonably believes."
[10:28]	schestowitz	define reasonable
[10:28]	schestowitz	also: cops are not paid much
[10:28]	DaemonFC	That means that if it wouldn't be reasonable to an average person then it's not okay.
[10:28]	schestowitz	so what's reasonable to them is,
[10:29]	schestowitz	what joe bastos said at the pub
[10:29]	schestowitz	people don't stay at this job
[10:29]	DaemonFC	schestowitz You're well within your rights to shoot a carjacker, especially if they're armed.
[10:29]	schestowitz	if they are reasonable
[10:29]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: or
[10:29]	schestowitz	if you BELIEVE they are armed
[10:30]	schestowitz	and after you kill them it turned out they are unarmed
[10:30]	schestowitz	or they did not crajack
[10:30]	DaemonFC	If they are entering your car in a manner which suggests that they will hurt you.
[10:30]	schestowitz	and it just looked like it
[10:30]	schestowitz	or it was their own car
[10:30]	schestowitz	like ian murdock trying to enter his own home
[10:30]	schestowitz	after getting locked out
[10:30]	DaemonFC	schestowitz At home you're on the strongest grounds.
[10:30]	schestowitz	suffice to0 say..
[10:30]	DaemonFC	You have no duty to try to flee or use less force in most cases.
[10:31]	schestowitz	you _could_ invite them in
[10:31]	schestowitz	if they are amicable
[10:31]	schestowitz	only if
[10:31]	schestowitz	and that can send a posiotive vibe
[10:31]	schestowitz	but not recommended
[10:31]	schestowitz	<techrights-news> "I had the police 'round a couple of times" https://yewtu.be/wwdRfbPrGIY?t=1868 harassing people who talk about COVID-19 blunders in the UK
[10:31]	TR Bot	 Invidious - search
[10:32]	schestowitz	sometimes the cops can come if you feel threatened, e.g. death threats
[10:32]	schestowitz	this is not us police
[10:32]	schestowitz	this is uk police
[10:32]	schestowitz	they are note reviled in general
[10:32]	schestowitz	*not
[10:32]	schestowitz	the ones I spoke to are reasonable
[10:32]	schestowitz	the issue is,
[10:33]	schestowitz	they don't solve crime unless it's very major things like murder
[10:33]	schestowitz	they prioritise
[10:33]	schestowitz	states limit capacity
[10:33]	schestowitz	based on budget/staff
[10:33]	schestowitz	this means some crimes they will refute to ackle
[10:33]	schestowitz	cost/benefit analysis
[10:33]	schestowitz	that means many people get away with shoplifting
[10:33]	schestowitz	unless it  is above some amount like 200 pounds
[10:34]	schestowitz	they would not even prosecute
[10:34]	schestowitz	even if caught
[10:34]	schestowitz	not sure if the us is like this too
[10:34]	schestowitz	would be unsurprirsing
[10:34]	schestowitz	so if you shoplify, and you don't do it "too much" at a time, you might get vcaught and warnedd
[10:35]	schestowitz	but not prosecuted
[10:35]	schestowitz	petty crime thrives
[10:40]	TR News	Day X https://thedissenter.org/countdown-to-day-x-applying-us-espionage-act-assange/ | Source: The Dissenter
[10:40]	TR Bot	 Countdown To Day X: Applying The Espionage Act To Assange
[10:41]	TR News	 (NEW):  Linux 6.8-rc4 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Linux_6_8_rc4.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Linux_6_8_rc4.gmi 
[10:41]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux 6.8-rc4
[10:42]	TR News	"As the creator of the Weight Lifting Simulator series, among others, Christopher Boomer is one of the most successful game developers on Roblox." https://torrentfreak.com/roblox-weight-lifting-sim-dev-gains-muscle-from-dmca-counter-notice-240211/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[10:42]	TR Bot	'Weight Lifting Sim' Dev Gains Muscle From DMCA Counter-Notice * TorrentFreak
[10:43]	TR News	musk internet https://meduza.io/en/news/2024/02/11/ukrainian-intelligence-says-russia-using-starlink-satellite-internet-system-for-combat-operations-in-occupied-territory | Source: Meduza
[10:43]	TR Bot	 Ukrainian intelligence says Russia using Starlink satellite Internet system for combat operations in occupied territory Meduza
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[10:53]	parsifal	I haven't laughed that hard in a long time:-) - https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=170742832804260&w=1
[10:53]	TR Bot	 'Introducing Word for OpenBSD' - MARC
[10:54]	TR News	amazonOut? https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/jeff-bezos-sells-roughly-2-billion-of-amazon-shares/articleshow/107594980.cms
[10:54]	TR Bot	 jeff bezos amazon share sale: Jeff Bezos sells roughly $2 billion of Amazon shares - The Economic Times
[10:55]	TR News	A quote from Eric Lehman, internal Google email in 2018 https://simonwillison.net/2024/Feb/11/eric-lehman/
[10:55]	TR Bot	 A quote from Eric Lehman, internal Google email in 2018
[10:56]	schestowitz	parsifal: http://techrights.org/n/2024/02/09/Even_the_Doas_Camp_is_Unhappy_About_What_Microsoft_Does_to_Sudo.shtml
[10:56]	TR Bot	 Techrights Even the Doas Camp is Unhappy About What Microsoft Does to Sudo
[10:58]	TR News	The heat death policy is not funny for the moderates https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=http://martenssonsmeningar.se/2024/02/varmdopolitiken-ar-inte-rolig-for-moderaterna/
[10:58]	TR Bot	 Vrmdpolitiken r inte rolig fr moderaterna -
[10:59]	parsifal	schestowitz: I had no idea it was already commented. An amazing gem LOL
● Feb 12
[11:03]	TR News	"I think I heard that the Translate team decided to go all in on large-scale ML some years ago, which seems wise in retrospect. Im skeptical of such an extreme step around relevance today, because we might sacrifice significant gains by traditional means between now and the time a deep-ML approach really takes over" https://www.techemails.com/p/google-ai-elon-musk-tesla-comp#%C2%A7google-engineer-ai-is-a-serious-risk-to-our-
[11:03]	TR Bot	 Google and AI | Elon Musk on Tesla comp
[11:03]	schestowitz	parsifal: yes, a TR associate noticed that
[11:04]	schestowitz	and gave headsup hours after the message
[11:05]	TR News	3D Printed DIN Rail Mount Is Attractive https://hackaday.com/2024/02/11/3d-printed-din-rail-mount-is-attractive/ | Source: Hackaday
[11:05]	TR Bot	Printed DIN Rail Mount Is Attractive | Hackaday
[11:06]	TR News	 (NEW):  9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: February 11th, 2024 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_February_11th_2024.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_February_11th_2024.gmi 
[11:06]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: February 11th, 2024
[11:08]	parsifal	schestowitz: The sarcasm in this gem is simply devastating, but they are thick-skinned and I suspect it won't have much effect...
[11:08]	schestowitz	more in:
[11:08]	schestowitz	https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/07/Microsoft_Faking_Innovation_Again_Copying_Sudo_Like_It_Did_in_2.shtml
[11:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Microsoft Faking 'Innovation' Again, Copying Sudo Like It Did in 2006
[11:08]	schestowitz	i added light commentary
[11:08]	schestowitz	on what this means
[11:09]	schestowitz	13 links there
[11:10]	TR News	Latency https://hackaday.com/2024/02/11/benchmarking-latency-across-common-wireless-links-for-mcus/ | Source: Hackaday
[11:10]	TR Bot	Latency Across Common Wireless Links For MCUs | Hackaday
[11:11]	schestowitz	i left out only phoronix
[11:11]	schestowitz	because michael larabel is openwashing microsoft
[11:11]	schestowitz	1) github (proprietary)
[11:11]	schestowitz	2) NOT really sudo
[11:11]	schestowitz	3) power(less)sHELL
[11:11]	schestowitz	scrript, not proper program
[11:11]	schestowitz	4) Windows is proprietary
[11:11]	schestowitz	so shame on larabel
[11:11]	schestowitz	more BS "journalism"
[11:12]	schestowitz	instead of properly responding to it like de raadt did
[11:12]	schestowitz	with humour
[11:12]	TR News	3D Printed Basketball https://hackaday.com/2024/02/11/3d-printed-basketball-could-be-a-game-changer/ | Source: Hackaday
[11:12]	TR Bot	Printed Basketball Could Be A Game Changer | Hackaday
[11:20]	parsifal	schestowitz: The bigger problem than the fact that certain corporations like M$ allow themselves such arbitrariness is that there is no one to defend the positions and achievements of Linux.
[11:21]	parsifal	schestowitz: Is it the Linux Foundation, which is such in name only?! I highly doubt it. Things have been going bad for a long time.
[11:46]	TR News	 (NEW):  Why the future of manufacturing will rely on open source http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/06/Why_the_future_of_manufacturing_will_rely_on_open_source.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/06/Why_the_future_of_manufacturing_will_rely_on_open_source.gmi 
[11:46]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Why the future of manufacturing will rely on open source
[11:55]	schestowitz	parsifal: many moneyed interests, OSI also
[11:55]	schestowitz	the ones that don't sell out seem to perish
[11:55]	schestowitz	like OSC
[11:55]	TR News	"Weve used wood filament before, and we hazily remember a Cura plugin that changed temperatures to create wood grain." https://hackaday.com/2024/02/11/printing-a-log/ | Source: Hackaday
[11:55]	TR Bot	A Log | Hackaday
[11:56]	TR News	"New technologies bring with them the threat of change. [chatbot] tools are one of the latest such developments." https://hackaday.com/2024/02/11/ais-existence-is-all-it-takes-to-be-accused-of-being-one/ | Source: Hackaday
[11:56]	TR Bot	Existence Is All It Takes To Be Accused Of Being One | Hackaday
[11:57]	TR News	Target Lifting Mechanism Goes Wireless https://hackaday.com/2024/02/11/target-lifting-mechanism-goes-wireless/ | Source: Hackaday
[11:57]	TR Bot	Lifting Mechanism Goes Wireless | Hackaday
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[12:02]	TR News	 (NEW):  SparkyLinux 2024.02 Improves CLI Installer, Adds More Debian Trixie Updates http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/SparkyLinux_2024_02_Improves_CLI_Installer_Adds_More_Debian_Tri.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/SparkyLinux_2024_02_Improves_CLI_Installer_Adds_More_Debian_Tri.gmi 
[12:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines SparkyLinux 2024.02 Improves CLI Installer, Adds More Debian Trixie Updates
[12:10]	parsifal	schestowitz: Sad but true.
[12:14]	TR News	 (NEW):  Fedora Project Announces Fedora Atomic Desktops for Immutable Fedora Spins http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/09/Fedora_Project_Announces_Fedora_Atomic_Desktops_for_Immutable_F.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/09/Fedora_Project_Announces_Fedora_Atomic_Desktops_for_Immutable_F.gmi 
[12:14]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Fedora Project Announces Fedora Atomic Desktops for Immutable Fedora Spins
[12:14]	TR News	 (NEW):  GNU/Linux Surges to All-Time High in Spain This Month http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/GNU_Linux_Surges_to_All_Time_High_in_Spain_This_Month.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/GNU_Linux_Surges_to_All_Time_High_in_Spain_This_Month.gmi 
[12:14]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GNU/Linux Surges to All-Time High in Spain This Month
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[12:41]	TR News	 (NEW):  Brazil and India (Combined Population of Nearly 1.7 Billion People) Topping Records for GNU/Linux Usage http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Brazil_and_India_Combined_Population_of_Nearly_1_7_Billion_Peop.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Brazil_and_India_Combined_Population_of_Nearly_1_7_Billion_Peop.gmi 
[12:41]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Brazil and India (Combined Population of Nearly 1.7 Billion People) Topping Records for GNU/Linux Usage
[12:47]	TR News	BS spin. They are in debt. It's nothing to do with "investment" or "HEY HI". The media will lie for its corporate masters. https://www.benzinga.com/news/24/02/37062601/tech-giants-including-microsoft-alphabet-paypal-slashed-34-000-positions-for-generative-ai-investmen
[12:47]	TR Bot	Giants Including Microsoft, Alphabet, PayPal Slashed 34,000 Positions For Generative AI Investment In 2024: Report - eBay (NASDAQ:EBAY), Amazon.com (NASDAQ:AMZN) - Benzinga
[12:47]	TR News	Nothing to do with "HEY HI". It is about long-standing financial perils. https://www.fudzilla.com/news/ai/58424-ai-takes-its-toll-on-big-tech
[12:47]	TR Bot	 AI takes its toll on Big Tech
[12:49]	TR News	NOTHING to do with "HEY HI" https://www.silicon.co.uk/e-management/lay-off/cisco-to-cut-thousands-of-jobs-report-549617
[12:49]	TR Bot	 Cisco To Cut 'Thousands Of Jobs' | Silicon UK Tech News
[12:50]	TR News	They just cannot sell enough https://www.techzine.eu/news/infrastructure/116316/mass-layoff-looming-at-cisco-due-to-lower-orders/
[12:50]	TR Bot	 Mass layoff looming at Cisco due to lower orders - Techzine Europe
[12:50]	TR News	It must be many thousands if they refuse to say how many https://www.uctoday.com/collaboration/cisco-reportedly-plans-restructure-with-layoffs-affecting-thousands/
[12:50]	TR Bot	 Cisco Reportedly Plans Restructure With Layoffs Affecting 'Thousands' - UC Today
[12:51]	TR News	UK Employers Plan Lower Pay Rises as Economic Growth Slows https://en.econostrum.info/uk-employers-pay-rises-economy/
[12:51]	TR Bot	 UK Employers Plan Lower Pay Rises as Economic Growth Slows
[12:59]	TR News	Work: full time? Half life. The job has a cost, killing the mind if not the body. Some jobs don't do that, but those are few. That's why the word "compensation" became a synonym of salary in many contexts.
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[13:01]	TR News	The bytedance election: Dance moves and deepfakes: Indonesias presidential candidates duke it out on Fentanylware (TikTok) https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/dance-moves-and-deepfakes-indonesia-presidential-candidates-duke-it-out-on-tiktok With Fentanylware, Beijing gets to interfere and may decide who takes power
[13:01]	TR Bot	 Dance moves and deepfakes: Indonesias presidential candidates duke it out on TikTok | The Straits Times
[13:03]	TR News	Of course they also blame "bad users" for spreading lies, even if the platform actively participates in the dissemination and does control trends (throttling and "viral" effects to choose winners or losers). They're never hands-off because all social control media has censorship.
[13:06]	TR News	Josh Bressers: Episode 415 Reducing attack surface for less security https://opensourcesecurity.io/2024/02/11/episode-415-reducing-attack-surface-for-less-security/
[13:06]	TR Bot	 Episode 415 Reducing attack surface for less security Open Source Security
[13:07]	TR News	Will it Nixcloud? | LINUX Unplugged 549 https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/linux-unplugged/549/
[13:07]	TR Bot	 Will it Nixcloud? | LINUX Unplugged 549 | Jupiter Broadcasting
[13:13]	TR News	How to Create Amazon EC2 Instance Using Terraform https://tecadmin.net/create-amazon-ec2-instance-using-terraform/
[13:13]	TR Bot	 How to Create Amazon EC2 Instance Using Terraform TecAdmin
[13:14]	TR News	SCSI isn't dead yet new SSD for old or obsolete systems is a boon for retro computing fans https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/scsi-isnt-dead-yet-new-ssd-for-old-or-obsolete-systems-is-a-boon-for-retro-computing-fans
[13:14]	TR Bot	 SCSI isn't dead yet new SSD for old or obsolete systems is a boon for retro computing fans | Tom's Hardware
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[13:16]	TR News	Trump is NOT an elected politician, what is france24 doing here? https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20240211-us-senate-advances-ukraine-israel-and-taiwan-aid-bill-despite-trump-opposition
[13:16]	TR Bot	 US Senate advances aid bill for Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan despite Trump opposition
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[13:20]	TR News	SpellBinding: ABUILTH Wordo: GLANS gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2024-02-12.gmi
[13:31]	TR News	france24 is foolishly doing "TRUMP SEZ" pieces that are vexatious. Good service for French taxpayers? https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20240211-you-gotta-pay-trump-threatens-to-urge-russian-attack-of-nato-allies-behind-on-payments
[13:31]	TR Bot	 'You got to pay!': Trump threatens to 'encourage' Russia to attack NATO allies behind on payments
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[13:37]	TR News	Russia media regulator begins investigation into language learning service Duolingo for alleged LGBT propaganda https://www.jurist.org/news/2024/02/russia-media-regulator-begins-investigation-into-language-learning-service-duolingo-for-alleged-lgbt-propaganda/
[13:37]	TR Bot	 Russia media regulator begins investigation into language learning service Duolingo for alleged 'LGBT propaganda' - JURIST - News
[13:38]	TR News	Mr. TTIP, working for the oligarchy https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/11/world/europe/finland-election-nato.html
[13:38]	TR Bot	 Finland Elects Alexander Stubb President as It Ushers in NATO Era - The New York Times
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[13:40]	TR News	How To Install RawTherapee on Debian 12 https://idroot.us/install-rawtherapee-debian-12/
[13:40]	TR Bot	 How To Install RawTherapee on Debian 12 - idroot
[13:40]	TR News	How To Install Prometheus on openSUSE https://idroot.us/install-prometheus-opensuse/
[13:40]	TR Bot	 How To Install Prometheus on openSUSE - idroot
[13:40]	TR News	How To Install OBS Studio on openSUSE https://idroot.us/install-obs-studio-opensuse/
[13:40]	TR Bot	 How To Install OBS Studio on openSUSE - idroot
[13:41]	TR News	How to install TeamViewer on GNU/Linux https://net2.com/how-to-install-teamviewer-in-linux/
[13:41]	TR Bot	 How to install TeamViewer on Linux
[13:41]	TR News	 (NEW):  Sparky 2024.02 Rolls Out New Features and Kernel Updates http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Sparky_2024_02_Rolls_Out_New_Features_and_Kernel_Updates.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Sparky_2024_02_Rolls_Out_New_Features_and_Kernel_Updates.gmi 
[13:41]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Sparky 2024.02 Rolls Out New Features and Kernel Updates
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[13:41]	TR News	How to install KVM on Almalinux 9 or Rocky GNU/Linux 9 to create VMs https://linux.how2shout.com/how-to-install-kvm-on-almalinux-9-or-rocky-linux-9-to-create-vms/
[13:41]	TR Bot	 How to install KVM on Almalinux 9 or Rocky Linux 9 to create VMs - Linux Shout
[13:42]	TR News	How to make your own docker container and persist changes http://knowledgebasement.com/how-to-make-your-own-docker-container-and-persist-changes/
[13:42]	TR Bot	 How to make your own docker container and persist changes |
[13:46]	TR News	8 Best MySQL/MariaDB GUI Tools for GNU/Linux in 2024 https://www.tecmint.com/mysql-gui-tools-for-linux/
[13:46]	TR Bot	 8 Powerful MySQL GUI Tools for Linux in 2024
[13:47]	TR News	31 Best File Managers and Explorers [GUI + CLI] for GNU/Linux in 2024 https://www.tecmint.com/linux-file-managers/
[13:47]	TR Bot	 31 Best File Managers [GUI + CLI] for Linux in 2024
[13:48]	TR News	8 Best SSH Clients for GNU/Linux in 2024 https://www.tecmint.com/ssh-clients-linux/
[13:48]	TR Bot	 8 Most Popular SSH Clients for Linux in 2024
[13:51]	TR News	Wine Dev 9.2 Released with Mono Engine Updated to 9.0.0 https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2024/02/wine-dev-9-2-released-with-mono-engine-updated-to-9-0-0/
[13:51]	TR Bot	 Wine Dev 9.2 Released with Mono Engine Updated to 9.0.0 | UbuntuHandbook
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[14:04]	TR News	Documentary on Indonesian elections slanderous, says Prabowos campaign team https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/documentary-on-indonesian-elections-slanderous-says-prabowo-s-campaign-team
[14:04]	TR Bot	 Documentary on Indonesian elections slanderous, says Prabowos campaign team | The Straits Times
[14:05]	TR News	YouTuber accused of recording motorcycle ride going 150 mph in Colorado arrested in Texas https://nypost.com/2024/02/12/news/youtuber-rendon-dietzmann-arrested-after-recording-motorcycle-ride-going-150-mph-in-colorado/
[14:05]	TR Bot	 YouTuber Rendon Dietzmann arrested after recording motorcycle ride going 150 mph in Colorado
[14:08]	TR News	Taylor Swift and Data Analysis https://www.r-bloggers.com/2024/02/taylor-swift-and-data-analysis/
[14:08]	TR Bot	Swift and Data Analysis | R-bloggers
[14:10]	TR News	More EPO leaks out soon
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[14:13]	TR News	New Linux Kernel Security Flaw Leads to Information Disclosure https://linuxsecurity.com/news/security-vulnerabilities/linux-kernel-flaw-leads-to-info-disclosure
[14:13]	TR Bot	 New Linux Kernel Security Flaw Leads to Information Disclosure | LinuxSecurit...
[14:16]	TR News	I wish Go had a retry block https://xeiaso.net/blog/2024/retry-block/
[14:16]	TR Bot	 I wish Go had a retry block - Xe Iaso
[14:20]	TR News	"Mind-blowing numbers for X-ray astronomy." https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-reveal-what-the-sky-looks-like-in-x-ray-vision
[14:20]	TR Bot	Reveal What The Sky Looks Like in X-Ray Vision : ScienceAlert
[14:31]	TR News	How China Built BYD, Its Tesla Killer https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/business/byd-china-electric-vehicle.html
[14:31]	TR Bot	 How China Built BYD, Its Tesla Killer - The New York Times
[14:40]	TR News	US announces chip investment plans after Japan progress revealed https://itwire.com/technology-regulation/us-announces-chip-investment-plans-after-japan-progress-revealed.html
[14:40]	TR Bot	- US announces chip investment plans after Japan progress revealed
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[14:44]	TR News	 (NEW):  Today's HowTos   http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/today_s_howtos.1.gmi 
[14:44]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[14:46]	TR News	 (NEW):   Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Programming_Leftovers.gmi 
[14:46]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
[14:51]	TR News	 (NEW):  Security Leftovers and Windows TCO http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Security_Leftovers_and_Windows_TCO.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Security_Leftovers_and_Windows_TCO.gmi 
[14:51]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security Leftovers and Windows TCO
[14:54]	TR News	 (NEW):  Kodi 20.4 "Nexus" - Release http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Kodi_20_4_Nexus_Release.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Kodi_20_4_Nexus_Release.gmi 
[14:54]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Kodi 20.4 "Nexus" - Release
[14:58]	TR News	 (NEW):  Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi 
[14:58]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
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[15:03]	TR News	Techrights Links 12/02/2024: 'Cousins Are Disappearing' and Billionaires-Owned Media Gaslights/Misleads the Public About Layoffs' Cause http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Links_12_02_2024_Cousins_Are_Disappearing_and_Billionaires_Owne.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Links_12_02_2024_Cousins_Are_Disappearing_and_Billionaires_Owne.gmi 
[15:03]	TR Bot	 Techrights Links 12/02/2024: 'Cousins Are Disappearing' and Billionaires-Owned Media Gaslights/Misleads the Public About Layoffs' Cause
[15:06]	TR News	Slovakia parliament approves criminal law reform amid public protests and EU concerns https://www.jurist.org/news/2024/02/slovakia-parliament-approves-criminal-law-reform-amid-public-protests-and-eu-concerns/
[15:06]	TR Bot	 Slovakia parliament approves criminal law reform amid public protests and EU concerns - JURIST - News
[15:35]	TR News	Malaysia federal court declares Kelantan state Shariah laws unconstitutional https://www.jurist.org/news/2024/02/malaysia-federal-court-declares-kelantan-state-shariah-laws-unconstitutional/
[15:35]	TR Bot	 Malaysia federal court declares Kelantan state Shariah laws unconstitutional - JURIST - News
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[15:38]	TR News	Thoroughly Modern: From Tradition To Transformation For I.C.B.M. i In The Era Of Cloud And Hey Hi (AI) https://www.itjungle.com/2024/02/12/thoroughly-modern-from-tradition-to-transformation-for-ibm-i-in-the-era-of-cloud-and-ai/ WOW!!! So many buzzwords from this IBM shill in IBM sponsored site. Transformation!! CLOWN! HEY HI!
[15:38]	TR Bot	 Thoroughly Modern: From Tradition To Transformation For IBM i In The Era Of Cloud And AI - IT Jungle
[15:39]	TR News	UN Experts Investigating 58 Suspected North Korean Cyberattacks Valued at About $3 Billion https://www.securityweek.com/un-experts-investigating-58-suspected-north-korean-cyberattacks-valued-at-about-3-billion/
[15:39]	TR Bot	Experts Investigating 58 Suspected North Korean Cyberattacks Valued at About $3 Billion - SecurityWeek
[15:39]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/20122634
[15:39]	TR Bot	 WHOOPSIE
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[15:41]	TR News	Marco d'Itri: Extending access to the systemd RuntimeDirectory with a POSIX ACL https://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_468
[15:41]	TR Bot	 Extending access to the systemd RuntimeDirectory with a POSIX ACL
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[15:43]	TR News	Building an efficient server-grade Arm NAS https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/building-efficient-server-grade-arm-nas
[15:43]	TR Bot	 Building an efficient server-grade Arm NAS | Jeff Geerling
[15:44]	TR News	Blood Clots the Media Barely Talks About https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2024/02/12/blood-clots/
[15:44]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Blood Clots the Media Barely Talks About
[15:45]	TR News	Tomorrow never knows: Hong Kong indie collective seeks community, history for the citys alternative music scene https://hongkongfp.com/2024/02/12/tomorrow-never-knows-hong-kong-indie-collective-seeks-community-history-for-the-citys-alternative-music-scene/
[15:45]	TR Bot	 HK indie music collective Un.Tomorrow seeks community, history
[15:50]	TR News	Static ActorMotivation Forecasting: Peace in Middle East https://two-wrongs.com/static-actor-motivation-forecasting-peace-in-middle-east
[15:50]	TR Bot	 Static ActorMotivation Forecasting: Peace in Middle East
[15:51]	TR News	Steam Deck 1200p screen replacement goes under scrutiny better than the original but outshined by the latest OLED model https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/handheld-gaming/steam-deck-1200p-screen-replacement-goes-under-scrutiny-better-than-the-original-but-outshined-by-the-latest-oled-model
[15:51]	TR Bot	 Steam Deck 1200p screen replacement goes under scrutiny better than the original but outshined by the latest OLED model | Tom's Hardware
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[15:59]	TR News	CG, not "Hey Hi (AI)" https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/11/world/asia/imran-khan-artificial-intelligence-pakistan.html
[15:59]	TR Bot	 Imran Khan Uses A.I. To Give Victory Speech in Pakistan - The New York Times
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[16:00]	TR News	This is CG https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/imran-khan-s-victory-speech-from-jail-shows-ai-s-peril-and-promise
[16:00]	TR Bot	 Imran Khans victory speech from jail shows AIs peril and promise | The Straits Times
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[16:07]	TR News	The Incredible Demise of Abusive Monopolist Microsoft backdoored Windows (the Cash Cow That Once Indirectly Accounted for About 80% of Profits) https://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/11/The_Incredible_Demise_of_Microsoft_Windows_the_Cash_Cow_That_On.shtml
[16:07]	TR Bot	 Techrights The Incredible Demise of Microsoft Windows (the Cash Cow That Once Indirectly Accounted for About 80% of Profits)
[16:07]	TR News	[Meme] Shaking His Willy at Rutte https://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/11/Meme_Shaking_His_Willy_at_Rutte.shtml
[16:07]	TR Bot	 Techrights [Meme] Shaking His Willy at Rutte
[16:07]	TR News	[Meme] [Teaser] Not Everyone in The Netherlands Pays Tax https://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Meme_Teaser_Not_Everyone_in_The_Netherlands_Pays_Tax.shtml
[16:07]	TR Bot	 Techrights [Meme] [Teaser] Not Everyone in The Netherlands Pays Tax
[16:07]	TR News	Mozilla's Baker Dethroned, But It's 'Too Little, Too Late' https://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Mozilla_s_Baker_Dethroned_But_It_s_Too_Little_Too_Late.shtml
[16:07]	TR Bot	 Techrights Mozilla's Baker Dethroned, But It's 'Too Little, Too Late'
[16:07]	TR News	When Misogynists Who Assault and Dox Innocent Women Resort to Committing Perjury in a Desperate Attempt to Silence Their Victims https://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/When_Misogynists_Who_Assault_and_Dox_Innocent_Women_Resort_to_C.shtml
[16:07]	TR Bot	 Techrights When Misogynists Who Assault and Dox Innocent Women Resort to Committing Perjury in a Desperate Attempt to Silence Their Victims
[16:08]	TR News	Techrights as Morse Code? (updated) https://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/10/Techrights_as_Morse_Code.shtml
[16:08]	TR Bot	 Techrights Techrights as Morse Code?
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[16:12]	TR News	Dont Judge a Range by its Cover: Federal Circuit Sides with Patentee on Written Description Support https://patentlyo.com/patent/2024/02/circuit-patentee-description.html
[16:12]	TR Bot	 Dont Judge a Range by its Cover: Federal Circuit Sides with Patentee on Written Description Support | Patently-O
[16:13]	TR News	This Month's Statement From Staff of the EPO in Den Haag (Rijswijk), Composed on Behalf of Thousands of Europeans Working in The Netherlands Under Unlawful Conditions and Work Demands (Patent 'Production') https://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/11/This_Month_s_Statement_From_Staff_of_the_EPO_in_Den_Haag_Rijswi.shtml
[16:13]	TR Bot	 Techrights This Month's Statement From Staff of the EPO in Den Haag (Rijswijk), Composed on Behalf of Thousands of Europeans Working in The Netherlands Under Unlawful Conditions and Work Demands (Patent 'Production')
[16:13]	TR News	IBM Patches New Security Vulns In I.C.B.M. i Components, Power Firmware https://www.itjungle.com/2024/02/12/ibm-patches-new-security-vulns-in-ibm-i-components-power-firmware/
[16:13]	TR Bot	 IBM Patches New Security Vulns In IBM i Components, Power Firmware - IT Jungle
[16:14]	TR News	NomadBSD 140R-20240126 Errata released https://nomadbsd.org/index.html#20240211
[16:14]	TR Bot	 NomadBSD
[16:15]	TR News	Lazy Reading for 2024/02/11 https://www.dragonflydigest.com/2024/02/11/lazy-reading-for-2024-02-11/
[16:15]	TR Bot	 Lazy Reading for 2024/02/11 DragonFly BSD Digest
[16:15]	TR News	"Next NYCBUG meeting, March 6: NetBSD for the Advanced Minimalist. Traveling and working with only a Pinebook. Anatomy of a Hollerith Card. "
[16:16]	TR News	15 Top Open-source Free Remote Desktop Solutions for 2024 https://medevel.com/os-15-remote-desktop/
[16:16]	TR Bot	 15 Top Open-source Free Remote Desktop Solutions for 2024
[16:17]	TR News	Unbloating the buffers https://blog.apnic.net/2024/02/12/unbloating-the-buffers/
[16:17]	TR Bot	 Unbloating the buffers | APNIC Blog
[16:18]	TR News	Caoln McNamara: coverity 2022.6.0 and LibreOffice http://caolanm.blogspot.com/2024/02/coverity-202260-and-libreoffice.html
[16:18]	TR News	 (NEW):  Best Free and Open Source Goodness http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Goodness.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Goodness.gmi 
[16:18]	TR Bot	 Caoln McNamara: coverity 2022.6.0 and LibreOffice
[16:18]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Goodness
[16:18]	TR News	March-In Rights https://patentlyo.com/patent/2024/02/march-in-rights.html
[16:18]	TR Bot	 March-In Rights | Patently-O
[16:19]	TR News	"I have a poll running Microsoft's Surveillance Arm LinkedIn about whether the Federal Government should more aggressively use its march-in rights to ensure public access to federally funded inventions." Obviously those who respond to it are patent maximalists who follow him in Microsoft's prison.
[16:26]	TR News	A Beginners Guide to Creating Your Own Ubuntu Container with Podman on Mac and Persisting Changes http://knowledgebasement.com/a-beginners-guide-to-creating-your-own-ubuntu-container-with-podman-on-mac-and-persisting-changes/
[16:26]	TR Bot	 A Beginners Guide to Creating Your Own Ubuntu Container with Podman on Mac and Persisting Changes |
[16:27]	TR News	Firefox Devs Working on Tab Previews https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/02/firefox-devs-working-on-tab-hover-previews
[16:27]	TR Bot	 Firefox Devs Working on Tab Previews - OMG! Ubuntu
[16:27]	TR News	GNU World Order 551 http://gnuworldorder.info//audiophile/gnuWorldOrder_551_ogg.ogg
[16:28]	TR News	AMD Zen 5 support arrives with five new instructions GNU compiler collection posted https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-zen-5-support-arrives-with-five-new-instructions-gnu-compiler-collection-posted
[16:28]	TR Bot	 AMD Zen 5 support arrives with five new instructions GNU compiler collection posted | Tom's Hardware
[16:28]	TR News	hwclock fail in easyVoid 6.0.3 https://bkhome.org/news/202402/hwclock-fail-in-easyvoid-603.html
[16:28]	TR Bot	 hwclock fail in easyVoid 6.0.3
[16:30]	TR News	PeaZip 9.7 Open-Source File Archiver Utility Adds Native ARM64 GNU/Linux Support https://9to5linux.com/peazip-9-7-open-source-file-archiver-utility-adds-native-arm64-linux-support
[16:30]	TR Bot	9.7 Open-Source File Archiver Utility Adds Native ARM64 Linux Support - 9to5Linux
[16:30]	TR News	HandBrake 1.7.3 Open-Source Video Transcoder Released with GNU/Linux Fixes https://9to5linux.com/handbrake-1-7-3-open-source-video-transcoder-released-with-linux-fixes
[16:30]	TR Bot	1.7.3 Open-Source Video Transcoder Released with Linux Fixes - 9to5Linux
[16:31]	TR News	GNOME Shell and Mutter 46 Beta Released with Numerous Improvements https://9to5linux.com/gnome-shell-and-mutter-46-beta-released-with-numerous-improvements
[16:31]	TR Bot	Shell and Mutter 46 Beta Released with Numerous Improvements - 9to5Linux
[16:31]	TR News	 (NEW):  The best Linux distros for 2024 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/The_best_Linux_distros_for_2024.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/The_best_Linux_distros_for_2024.gmi 
[16:31]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines The best Linux distros for 2024
[16:32]	TR News	Linux Plumbers Conference: GNU/Linux Plumbers Conference CFP announced https://lpc.events/blog/current/index.php/2024/02/11/linux-plumbers-conference-cfp-announced/
[16:32]	TR Bot	 Linux Plumbers Conference CFP announced Linux Plumbers Conference
[16:32]	TR News	Affordable Radxa ZERO 3W Featuring Up to 8GB RAM and Onboard eMMC Storage https://linuxgizmos.com/affordable-radxa-zero-3w-featuring-up-to-8gb-ram-and-onboard-emmc-storage/
[16:32]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/affordable-radxa-zero-3w-featuring-up-to-8gb-ram-and-onboard-emmc-storage/ )
[16:32]	TR News	PeaZip 9.7 Archive Tool Now Supports ARM64 GNU/Linux https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/02/peazip-adds-arm64-linux-support
[16:32]	TR Bot	 PeaZip 9.7 Archive Tool Now Supports ARM64 Linux - OMG! Ubuntu
[16:33]	TR News	Intel Trusted Execution Technology (TXT) is NOT security!! It's outsourcing of trust to truly dodgy companies that profit from imperialism in the digital realm. https://www.phoronix.com/news/TrenchBoot-Status-2024
[16:33]	TR Bot	Progress For Adding More Security & Integrity To The Boot Process - Phoronix
[16:34]	TR News	Phoronix is never interested in looking DEEPER at things if that might upset the corporate sponsors of the site. That's a problem.
[16:35]	TR News	Cautionary Tale About Software Patents and Their Impact on GNU/Linux Distros in Europe https://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Cautionary_Tale_About_Software_Patents_and_Their_Impact_on_GNU_.shtml
[16:35]	TR Bot	 Techrights Cautionary Tale About Software Patents and Their Impact on GNU/Linux Distros in Europe
[16:35]	TR News	Over at Tux Machines... https://news.techrights.org/n/2024/02/12/Over_at_Tux_Machines.shtml
[16:35]	TR Bot	 Techrights Over at Tux Machines...
[16:36]	TR News	CrossOver GNU/Linux 23.7 on openSUSE Tumbleweed https://cubiclenate.com/2024/02/11/crossover-linux-23-7-on-opensuse-tumbleweed/ "I was a bit surprised by this as I do recall recently struggling with getting something to run in GNU/Linux recently."
[16:36]	TR Bot	Linux 23.7 on openSUSE Tumbleweed CubicleNate's Techpad
[16:37]	TR News	12 Best Free and Open Source Load Balancers https://www.linuxlinks.com/best-free-open-source-load-balancers/
[16:37]	TR Bot	Best Free and Open Source Load Balancers - LinuxLinks
[16:37]	TR News	11 Free Cloud Media Players for Windows, Linux, macOS and Android https://medevel.com/11-cloud-media-player/
[16:37]	TR Bot	 11 Free Cloud Media Players for Windows, Linux, macOS and Android
[16:38]	TR News	 (NEW):  Rhino Linux Development Temporarily Paused http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Rhino_Linux_Development_Temporarily_Paused.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Rhino_Linux_Development_Temporarily_Paused.gmi 
[16:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Rhino Linux Development Temporarily Paused
[16:40]	psydroid2	https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/02/10/business/germanys-days-an-industrial-superpower-are-coming-an-end/
[16:40]	TR Bot	 Germanys days as an industrial superpower are coming to an end - The Boston Globe
[16:41]	schestowitz	interesting.
[16:41]	schestowitz	because:
[16:41]	schestowitz	<techrights-news> unexpected leap in factory orders https://www.dw.com/en/germany-sees-unexpected-leap-in-factory-orders/a-68184084
[16:41]	TR Bot	sees unexpected leap in factory orders DW 02/06/2024
[16:42]	schestowitz	can't be right, can it?
[16:43]	TR News	"Add up all the money that users with low-stakes/fault-tolerant applications are willing to pay; combine it with all the money that risk-tolerant, high-stakes users are willing to spend; add in all the money that high-stakes users who are willing to make their products more expensive in order to keep them running are willing to spend." https://locusmag.com/2023/12/commentary-cory-doctorow-what-kind-of-bubble-is-ai/
[16:43]	TR Bot	 Cory Doctorow: What Kind of Bubble is AI? Locus Online
[16:44]	TR News	"Just take one step back and look at the hype through this lens. All the big, exciting uses for AI are either low-dollar (helping kids cheat on their homework, generating stock art for bottom-feeding publications) or high-stakes and fault-intolerant (self-driving cars, radiology, hiring, etc.)." https://locusmag.com/2023/12/commentary-cory-doctorow-what-kind-of-bubble-is-ai/
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[16:45]	TR News	"Our policymakers are putting a lot of energy into thinking about what theyll do if the AI bubble doesnt pop wrangling about AI ethics and AI safety. But as with all the previous tech bubbles very few people are talking about what well be able to salvage when the bubble is over." https://locusmag.com/2023/12/commentary-cory-doctorow-what-kind-of-bubble-is-ai/
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[16:46]	TR News	Misleading as the layoffs happen when Microsoft is 111 billion dollars in debt (unprecedented) https://www.businessinsider.com/layoffs-happening-at-tech-firms-that-are-doing-just-fine-2024-2
[16:46]	TR Bot	 Layoffs Are Happening at Tech Firms That Are Doing Just Fine
[16:47]	psydroid2	I'm not sure what to think of DW, but other media outlets aren't that different
[16:48]	psydroid2	as always the truth is somewhere in the middle
[16:48]	psydroid2	that is, if there is even a truth in the first place
[16:50]	TR News	Microsoft tells people to plagiarise other people's code and use Microsoft to do the plagiarism (the lawsuits come later) https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/microsoft-encourages-game-developers-to-have-ai-write-their-code-in-dystopian-super
[16:50]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Encourages Game Developers to Have AI Write Their Code in Dystopian Super Bowl Copilot Ad | TechRaptor
[16:50]	schestowitz	psydroid2: dw indicates expectations were low
[16:50]	schestowitz	but beaten
[16:51]	schestowitz	production in general is now growing
[16:51]	schestowitz	look at global sales and the numbers
[16:51]	schestowitz	more humans
[16:51]	schestowitz	fewer sales
[16:53]	TR News	Microsoft #1 for tech layoffs in 2024 https://www.thewindowsclub.com/list-of-tech-layoffs-in-2024
[16:53]	TR Bot	 List of Tech layoffs in 2024
[16:53]	admfubar	https://arstechnica.com/?p=2001103
[16:53]	TR Bot	 Before Ingenuity ever landed on Mars, scientists almost managed to kill it | Ars Technica
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[16:57]	TR News	"Government Debt in the United States increased to 34191150 USD Million in January from 34001494 USD Million in December of 2023." 200 billion increase per month would be 2.5 trillion each year. NOT sustainable. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt
[16:57]	TR Bot	 United States Government Debt
[16:57]	psydroid2	Microsoft is doing the right thing
[16:57]	psydroid2	https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/windows-11-will-soon-no-longer-boot-on-pcs-that-are-too-old-to-boot-it-anyway
[16:57]	TR Bot	 Windows 11 will soon no longer boot on PCs that are too old to boot it anyway | Windows Central
[16:58]	schestowitz	lol
[16:58]	psydroid2	hopefully they will make sure it doesn't run on anything but the latest hardware
[16:58]	schestowitz	good luck
[16:58]	schestowitz	i will enjoy seeing market share impact
[16:58]	schestowitz	"PCs with very old CPUs are going to be in for a rough time this fall when the next version of Windows 11 rolls around, as version 24H2 will be the first to no longer boot on CPUs without the POPCNT (p"
[16:59]	schestowitz	"old" CPU
[16:59]	schestowitz	what does that MEAN
[16:59]	schestowitz	think about it
[16:59]	schestowitz	what is a CPU?
[16:59]	schestowitz	if it still does i/o it works
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[17:00]	schestowitz	it does not expire
[17:00]	schestowitz	till it is fried
[17:00]	psydroid2	exactly
[17:00]	schestowitz	so the idea of "old" CPU is misleading
[17:00]	schestowitz	they just mean,
[17:00]	schestowitz	they gave gulagboy the boot
[17:00]	schestowitz	he made it more "acceptable" to have lockdown
[17:00]	schestowitz	and now there is "old generation" stuff
[17:00]	schestowitz	that does not mandate this stupidity
[17:01]	schestowitz	and now he is threatening people who oppose lockdown
[17:01]	schestowitz	saying that calling him "classist" is "libel"
[17:01]	TR News	 (NEW):   : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[17:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
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[17:03]	psydroid2	hardware from 5-10 years ago is still very fast and usable for many (non-critical) tasks
[17:03]	admfubar	https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=24/02/11/0847227&from=rss
[17:03]	TR Bot	 Googles Use Of Student Data Could Effectively Ban Chromebooks From Denmark Schools - SoylentNews
[17:04]	psydroid2	but that doesn't bring in any money, so they have to force people to buy new hardware somehow
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[17:04]	schestowitz	Chromebooks became more awful every year
[17:04]	schestowitz	because Gulag is an empionage company
[17:04]	schestowitz	at the core
[17:04]	schestowitz	many of its units never made money
[17:04]	schestowitz	some shut down
[17:04]	schestowitz	and some carried on harvesting data
[17:04]	schestowitz	psydroid2: buy new "HEY HI" chips
[17:05]	schestowitz	you know, for all the HEY HI'S
[17:05]	schestowitz	you need it, you know
[17:05]	schestowitz	hoard GPUs in the basement
[17:05]	schestowitz	in fact the HEY HI'S are coming from our jobs, the media says
[17:05]	schestowitz	*for
[17:07]	admfubar	https://techxplore.com/news/2024-02-proof-ai.html
[17:07]	TR Bot	 There is no proof that AI can be controlled, researcher warns
[17:07]	schestowitz	hubie active in SN
[17:07]	schestowitz	that's good news
[17:08]	schestowitz	admfubar: HEY HI was invented last year
[17:08]	admfubar	https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=24/02/11/092256&from=rss
[17:08]	schestowitz	inj satya nadella's living room!
[17:08]	TR Bot	 Meta And Tiktok Sue To Get Out Of Paying The EU's Fee For Policing Content - SoylentNews
[17:08]	schestowitz	he created the HEY Hi with his bare hands
[17:08]	psydroid2	lol
[17:08]	schestowitz	totally not hyping things up http://techrights.org/n/2024/02/02/The_Great_LLM_Delusion_Part_VI_Hype_Agent_Geoff_Hinton_Would_Ne.shtml
[17:08]	TR Bot	 Techrights The Great LLM Delusion - Part VI: 'Hype Agent' Geoff Hinton Would Need to Disclose Conflict of Interest (Regarding LLMs)
[17:08]	admfubar	what? it wasn't al gore!??
[17:09]	psydroid2	I've only ever seen my nephew's Chromebook, but it was locked down by his school
[17:09]	schestowitz	no
[17:09]	schestowitz	gore provided the funding
[17:09]	schestowitz	for the HEY HI'S
[17:09]	schestowitz	so in a sense we have him to thank
[17:09]	psydroid2	when he graduates I'll have a look at it to see if it can be liberated somehow
[17:09]	psydroid2	(graduates from middle school)
[17:09]	admfubar	https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/12/musk_sec_twitter_fraud/
[17:09]	TR Bot	 Elon Musk can't wriggle out of SEC Twitter fraud inquiry The Register
[17:09]	schestowitz	Bill Says that HEY HI's are most exciting since the Net
[17:09]	psydroid2	which should be in a few months from now
[17:10]	schestowitz	and he even bribes the publishers that produced these headlines
[17:10]	schestowitz	SEC
[17:10]	schestowitz	?
[17:10]	schestowitz	he always games shares of things
[17:10]	schestowitz	even immaterial things like doge-coin
[17:10]	schestowitz	the regulation is too slow and toothless
[17:13]	psydroid2	I wonder if the next generation of Bill Gates is ready to take over and do even worse than his dad has done so far
[17:19]	schestowitz	Bill Gates says his kids will fuck you over
[17:19]	schestowitz	https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html
[17:19]	TR Bot	 Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times
[17:21]	admfubar	https://arstechnica.com/?p=2002612
[17:21]	TR Bot	 Scientists identify universal network of microbes for decomposing flesh | Ars Technica
[17:30]	admfubar	https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2024/02/12/bugcrowd-funding-102-million/
[17:30]	TR Bot	 Bugcrowd raises $102 million to boost AI-powered crowdsourced security platform - Help Net Security
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[17:35]	admfubar	https://techxplore.com/news/2024-02-ai-countless-applications-youve-heard.html
[17:35]	TR Bot	 AI is everywhereincluding countless applications you've likely never heard of
[17:40]	admfubar	https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/06/sap_tesla_company_cars/
[17:40]	TR Bot	 SAP hits brakes on Tesla company car deal The Register
[17:43]	schestowitz	:D
[17:43]	schestowitz	lovely
[17:43]	schestowitz	maybe the brakes will even work this time
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[18:01]	ZedHedTed	even if the brakes work, the hub caps will still fall off :D
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[18:06]	schestowitz	and you need to pat to add things
[18:06]	schestowitz	*pay
[18:06]	schestowitz	or re-add
[18:07]	schestowitz	for fun I pretended on the web site to buy tesla here
[18:07]	schestowitz	got to chheckout
[18:07]	schestowitz	then they sell things you expect as part of any car
[18:07]	schestowitz	except they charge extra
[18:07]	schestowitz	so the cheapest "tesla" is like 45k and it does not even look good
[18:08]	schestowitz	it is the shoddiest model
[18:12]	admfubar	https://scheerpost.com/2024/02/12/new-orleans-nurses-fight-for-a-new-union-as-hospitals-merge-and-revenues-soar/
[18:12]	TR Bot	Orleans Nurses Fight for a New Union as Hospitals Merge and Revenues Soar ScheerPost
[18:28]	TR News	 (NEW):  UBports Is Switching to a Fixed-Release Model for Ubuntu Touch OTA Updates http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/UBports_Is_Switching_to_a_Fixed_Release_Model_for_Ubuntu_Touch_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/02/12/UBports_Is_Switching_to_a_Fixed_Release_Model_for_Ubuntu_Touch_.gmi 
[18:28]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines UBports Is Switching to a Fixed-Release Model for Ubuntu Touch OTA Updates
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[18:33]	TR News	Amanda Whalen amanda@pkpr.com, working on behalf of shitty Mozilla, has just SPAMMED spyware. She sent loads of spyware to people's inboxes on behalf of Mozilla. Ironically, this pretends to care for privacy. Mozilla has lost it. This is STILL happening: http://techrights.org/n/2023/11/25/Mozilla_Continues_to_Spam_Yours_Truly_For_Black_Friday_the_E_ma.shtml
[18:33]	TR Bot	 Techrights Mozilla Continues to Spam Yours Truly For 'Black Friday'; the E-mails Are Malicious and Privacy-Infringing
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[18:52]	TR News	Mounting video ram on Linux gopher://dataswamp.org:70/1/~solene/article-mount-vram-on-linux
[18:52]	TR News	APL-likes as a notation for thought gemini://l-3.space/log-240212-1.gmi
[18:53]	TR News	"Getting tech just right can be tricky; on the one had you have the type that spends hours on IRC asking how to make a read(2) call not block" gemini://thrig.me/blog/2024/02/12/tech-goldilocks.gmi
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[19:29]	admfubar	https://arstechnica.com/?p=2002777
[19:29]	TR Bot	 Amazon hides cheaper items with faster delivery, lawsuit alleges | Ars Technica
[19:54]	admfubar	are they sure it isnt a loony new year celebration?  https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/vandals-set-fire-to-waymo-car-during-lunar-new-year-celebration/
[19:54]	TR Bot	 Mob sets Waymo car ablaze in San Francisco | Ars Technica
[19:55]	admfubar	https://arstechnica.com/?p=2002304
[19:55]	TR Bot	 Can a $10 Raspberry Pi break your PCs disk encryption? Its complicated. | Ars Technica
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[20:23]	admfubar	strange they dont want to be surveiled while they debate this??  https://epic.org/epic-statement-on-reported-section-702-reauthorization-vote/
[20:23]	TR Bot	 EPIC Statement on Reported Section 702 Reauthorization Vote EPIC Electronic Privacy Information Center
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[20:28]	admfubar	sap
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[21:50]	DaemonFC	https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dumb-forever-charlie-munger-insisted-173158718.html
[21:50]	TR Bot	 'Dumb Is Forever' Charlie Munger Insisted Some People Are Just Hopeless: 'Teach To The People Who Can Learn, And The Others Who Couldn't Keep Up, The Hell With Them'
[21:50]	DaemonFC	schestowitz The Eternal Munger speaks again.
[21:51]	DaemonFC	schestowitz I'm sure that one day the Eternal Bill will "sez".
[21:52]	MinceR	"Open, sez me!"
[21:52]	DaemonFC	I voted for Nikki Haley a few minutes ago.
[21:52]	DaemonFC	The Republican Primary here is weird.
[21:53]	DaemonFC	You have to vote for the candidate, then you have to vote for three of their delegates to the convention and three alternates.
[21:53]	DaemonFC	I have no idea how this could be so badly designed. In Indiana it's just "Which candidate?".
[21:53]	DaemonFC	I guess maybe even if they lose the "winner takes all" they could potentially get a few delegates anyway.
[21:55]	DaemonFC	Technically, you CAN vote for Nikki Haley and then pick Donald Trump's delegates. Or two of Trump's and one of Chris Christie's (even though he quit months ago), or whatever.
[21:55]	DaemonFC	It seems more open for voter error in my opinion.
[21:56]	DaemonFC	You may forget to put your glasses on and then vote for the right candidate and the wrong delegates to send to the convention.
[21:56]	MinceR	i wonder if it's like in Postal2
[21:56]	DaemonFC	I really wish they would go to a system where every state was a primary, the results were binding, and delegates were awarded proportionally to the votes the candidate got.
[21:56]	MinceR	https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/postal/images/0/09/Ballot1080.png/revision/latest?cb=20140705192503
[21:56]	DaemonFC	Things could get a lot more interesting.
[21:57]	DaemonFC	You wouldn't have to win every state, you'd just have to win some and not lose too badly in others.
[21:57]	DaemonFC	But the parties set the rules for delegate allocation.
[21:57]	DaemonFC	In STATE OF ILL< the results are binding, but it's winner takes all for the majority of delegates.
[21:58]	DaemonFC	I think we have like 67 delegates or something and so that would be 64 is whoever achieves a plurality of the vote, and then 3 are awarded by election of delegates themselves.
[21:58]	DaemonFC	So if you lost the State the best you could do would be to pick up 3 out of 67 delegates.
[21:59]	DaemonFC	But since those are on a Statewide election themselves and it says who the delegates support on the ballot, the winner of the State probably gets all of those too.
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[22:09]	DaemonFC	MinceR: So a payments app that is owned by PayPal demanded to see my state-issued photo identification to unfreeze the account and shut it down.
[22:10]	DaemonFC	So I sent them my firearm owner ID card.
[22:10]	DaemonFC	They shut the account down a few minutes later.
[22:12]	DaemonFC	Ariadne Conill 
[22:12]	DaemonFC	@ariadne
[22:12]	DaemonFC	EN
[22:12]	DaemonFC	for various reasons (their failure to meet US gas mileage regulations for passenger car platform vehicles being the largest) they arent sold in the US.
[22:12]	DaemonFC	a few attempts were made at bringing them here (in this case, to the US), such as the el camino, and the ford explorer truck variant, but they generally havent been successful here.
[22:12]	DaemonFC	---
[22:12]	DaemonFC	Gas mileage requirements are self-defeating.
[22:13]	MinceR	indeed
[22:13]	DaemonFC	The liberals imposed them and then set lower standards for "trucks" so then everyone went and bought a truck and the trucks are heavier and pollute more, then more people on bicycles got killed by the trucks because there's more ground clearance and weight and bigger engines.
[22:13]	DaemonFC	And everyone who stayed with cars just kept fixing their old gas guzzler forever because the gas mileage and safety mandates doubled the price of a new car.
[22:13]	MinceR	the EU practically killed city cars off with emission regulations
[22:14]	MinceR	because the more massive a car is, the more forgiving they are
[22:17]	DaemonFC	Right, so you go buy this thing that's as big as a house and about as aerodynamic.
[22:17]	DaemonFC	And the fleet average is now "Worse than my old Buick."
[22:17]	DaemonFC	While the Green New Deal idiots are cheering.
[22:19]	DaemonFC	https://www.ocregister.com/2024/02/09/the-consumer-financial-protection-bureau-is-putting-our-banking-arrangements-at-risk/
[22:19]	TR Bot	 The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is putting our banking arrangements at risk Orange County Register
[22:19]	DaemonFC	"Nobody likes fees, but a fee is a transparent way of pricing something."
[22:20]	DaemonFC	Probably explains the banks re-arranging transactions in orders that they were not made in, as well as deliberately finalizing incoming deposits late, in order to "transparently" hit the consumer with as many overdraft fees as possible.
[22:20]	DaemonFC	:)
[22:20]	DaemonFC	MinceR: ^
[22:20]	DaemonFC	Very transparent. A service, even.
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[22:53]	DaemonFC	schestowitz I suppose if banks set their interest rates too low on savings products, more people will pull their CDs and start purchasing Treasury Bills as the CDs mature, assuming federal debt pays more.
[22:53]	DaemonFC	You get a State tax exemption on those anyway so that helps too.
[22:54]	DaemonFC	There's probably a "not worth bothering with a Treasury account" spread, but it'll be a tight one.
[22:54]	DaemonFC	If your CD offer go down to 4% and a 4 week T-Bill is paying 5%, I mean, people will start buying T-Bills at that point.
[22:55]	DaemonFC	4 week T-Bills are very short term. It only ties up the money for about a month at a time and they can be scheduled to reinvest.
[22:56]	DaemonFC	The federal debt problem will probably act as a "red line" for what the banks offer.
[22:57]	DaemonFC	Then since the banks will have deposit outflows if the spread becomes too large, bank failures could easily happen if people start tying up their savings in the federal debt instruments.
[22:57]	DaemonFC	Because it will cause a liquidity problem for the banks.
[22:57]	DaemonFC	So they have two choices. Accept lower profits by keeping interest rates competitive, or suffer deposit outflows to more attractive fixed income options.
[22:58]	DaemonFC	So far, they've just obviously taken a look and said "We think we can bump everyone down a quarter point and get away with that.
[22:58]	DaemonFC	That will ease the pressure on their bottom line, but not by much.