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| zoobab | I tried to get a copy of this article mentioned in BristowsUPC: | Jun 12 00:11 |
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| zoobab | https://www.bristowsupc.com/latest-news/german-government-consults-on-new-draft-bill-for-germany-to-ratify-upc-agreement/ | Jun 12 00:11 |
| zoobab | in FAZ | Jun 12 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bristowsupc.com | German government consults on new draft bill for Germany to ratify UPC Agreement | Latest news | Unified Patent Court and Unitary Patent | Jun 12 00:12 | |
| zoobab | https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/peter-huber-im-gespraech-das-ezb-urteil-war-zwingend-16766682.html | Jun 12 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.faz.net | Peter Huber im Gespräch: Das EZB-Urteil war zwingend | Jun 12 00:12 | |
| zoobab | I tried to get a free 30 days trial, but could not manage to read the whole article | Jun 12 00:12 |
| zoobab | will try tomorrow, and pay for it if I don't manage | Jun 12 00:13 |
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| Ariadne | microsoft to not sell facial recognition tech to police, except it turns out that's only until there is a law that exists for it | Jun 12 00:51 |
| Ariadne | which they also wrote | Jun 12 00:51 |
| Ariadne | typical microsoft amirite | Jun 12 00:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Now that the Minneapolis police department is being purged for its rampant, decades-long corruption, and culture of police brutality, we'd just like to say we're sorry and if you give us another chance we totally won't stand on a black guy's neck for 8 minutes and 47 seconds and smile as the life slowly gets drained from his body, sparking nationwide protests and Trump voters waiving the Confederate flag around like | Jun 12 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | the Budweiser-swilling products of brother-sister incest that they are." | Jun 12 01:16 |
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| obarun | https://obarun.org/pipermail/66_obarun.org/2020-June/000107.html | Jun 12 01:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-obarun.org | [announce] 66 and its family | Jun 12 01:59 | |
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| schestowitz | On Gates: | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> The hoardes would take care of him quickly if they were to make the | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> connection between him and the sad state of computing in general and | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> their work and home computers specifically. | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | >>>> If he goes away, the state of computing will still be sad. | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | >>>> | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | >>>> I only learned this week that he's still "ADVISING" Nadella. | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | >>> That's been the case all along. Last I heard it was "a third" of his | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | >>> time, whatever that means. So those asserting that he has left M$ are | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | >>> just, as usual with M$ fanbois, lying. | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | >> No, the fanbois would say it's WONDERFUL that their hero is STILL there. | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | >> | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | >> SJVN said Gates was gone even while he was still on the Board. He told | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | >> me this in Twitter. | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | > He's just repeating their narrative that he is "devoting 100% of his | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | > time to charity". Lies upon lies, but they got ot SJVN somehow and it | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | > would be very instructive if he could get past the NDA or whatever | Jun 12 05:37 |
| schestowitz | > extortion they have on him and tell what's going on. | Jun 12 05:37 |
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| psydread | what I don't understand of the IT industry is that MS and Gates could be resigned to the dustbin of history quite quickly if everyone just ignored and stopped buying their products, but instead of that people would rather be complicit in recommending and implementing their garbage level take on technology | Jun 12 05:45 |
| schestowitz | OEM stranglehold | Jun 12 05:49 |
| schestowitz | for one thing... | Jun 12 05:49 |
| schestowitz | and their legal games contribute to it, also the patent blackmail | Jun 12 05:49 |
| schestowitz | anyway, he's 65 now | Jun 12 05:49 |
| schestowitz | and maybe the company will die before he dies | Jun 12 05:49 |
| schestowitz | then we still need to die with some other nasty companies | Jun 12 05:49 |
| schestowitz | so it's not a case of fighting one person or one single firm | Jun 12 05:50 |
| schestowitz | I am personally growing worried and wary of IBM | Jun 12 05:50 |
| schestowitz | I reckon it'll just take them a few years to make a "better linux" with systemd | Jun 12 05:50 |
| cubexyz | 'people' can't do a lot of things | Jun 12 05:50 |
| schestowitz | and then tell us that it's really a lot better than Linux anyway, so all distros should adopt it instead | Jun 12 05:50 |
| cubexyz | can't make a CPU, can't etch a motherboard, etc, etc | Jun 12 05:51 |
| schestowitz | and debian will just tug along... "OKAY....." (if Debian is still a major force by them) | Jun 12 05:51 |
| schestowitz | *then | Jun 12 05:51 |
| cubexyz | so they buy what's in stores | Jun 12 05:51 |
| cubexyz | which is probably mostly got M$ on it | Jun 12 05:51 |
| cubexyz | eh, bad phraseology there, but you get the idea | Jun 12 05:52 |
| cubexyz | M$ is losing ground though | Jun 12 05:52 |
| cubexyz | I'm not seeing what MinceR was worried about... linux lockout | Jun 12 05:53 |
| cubexyz | not so far | Jun 12 05:54 |
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| cubexyz | there's that spanish laptop... the slimbook | Jun 12 06:01 |
| cubexyz | it's got Ubuntu/Kubuntu available preloaded | Jun 12 06:01 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.wthr.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/trump-rally-covid-waiver/507-7fe54641-0e88-4da9-af55-25fa3aba025a | Jun 12 06:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trump MAGA rally in Tulsa comes with COVID-19 waiver | wthr.com | Jun 12 06:52 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: the new swastika movements | Jun 12 07:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: this site is blocked by/from/to EU | Jun 12 07:08 |
| schestowitz | as it's breaking our laws (GDPR) | Jun 12 07:08 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yes, but a tad expensive iirc | Jun 12 07:08 |
| schestowitz | the pinebooks are cheaper and more accessible to people with lower income levels | Jun 12 07:09 |
| schestowitz | the germany tux computing or whatever they call themselves price their laptops at something like 1200 euros upwards | Jun 12 07:09 |
| schestowitz | which I guess is OK given what hardware they use, the prices go up quadratically the latest/new gen stuff | Jun 12 07:10 |
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| psydread | I've been wondering if that's a sign of a dying industry to compensate for dwindling numbers of devices sold or simply a nasty side-effect of lock-in where customers don't really have anywhere else to go for their new hardware purchases | Jun 12 07:27 |
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| schestowitz | psydread: can you explain the context? | Jun 12 08:14 |
| *schestowitz doesn't quite follow... | Jun 12 08:14 | |
| psydread | schestowitz, I'm basically refererring to what you said before | Jun 12 08:15 |
| psydread | the pinebooks are cheaper and more accessible to people with lower income levels | Jun 12 08:15 |
| psydread | the germany tux computing or whatever they call themselves price their laptops at something like 1200 euros upwards | Jun 12 08:15 |
| psydread | which I guess is OK given what hardware they use, the prices go up quadratically the latest/new gen stuff | Jun 12 08:15 |
| psydread | I've been noticing prices creeping up over the past few years in the x86 hardware ecosystem and never really coming down | Jun 12 08:16 |
| psydread | compared to what you get with things like pinebook or raspberry pi 4 | Jun 12 08:16 |
| oiaohm | x86 hardware a lot of it is using the most expensive nm of silicon production. | Jun 12 08:17 |
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| oiaohm | psydread: the raspberry pi 4 processor and the one in the pinebook pro is still made on on 28nm production. The FAB that make 28 nm have really paid for thier cost of contruction at this point. | Jun 12 08:20 |
| psydread | oiaohm, I understand that makes it cheaper, but how would you explain something like amlogic s905x3 being made on 12nm and still making for a cheap SBC? | Jun 12 08:24 |
| oiaohm | psydread: arm instruction set and design requires less silicon area than x86 as well. | Jun 12 08:25 |
| psydread | apparently it's still cheap enough compared to leading-edge TSMC or Samsung production process or even Intel's older processes | Jun 12 08:25 |
| oiaohm | arm 64 bit and risc cores are smaller than x86 core on require silicon area at the same nm. This includes the most complex and advanced arm cores out there. | Jun 12 08:26 |
| oiaohm | More chips per wafer. Smaller the chips less chips you lose to silicon waffer defects.... | Jun 12 08:27 |
| oiaohm | psydread: basically no matter how you look at it x86 is not that cost effective. | Jun 12 08:27 |
| psydread | oiaohm, that's my point, it can only get worse over time from a cost/benefit perspective | Jun 12 08:28 |
| oiaohm | Cost of x86 is going up because cost of production is so horrible. The reason why the AMD x86 chips recently were able to come down on large chips was the was the amd chiplet thing that moved the cost/benefit a bit. | Jun 12 08:31 |
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| oiaohm | psydread: intel is also going to modular chips like chipets with Intel's EMIB. This is attempt to move the cost benifit. | Jun 12 08:32 |
| oiaohm | I think there is 1 or 2 more cost benefit optimisations x86 platform will be able todo before it hit wall. | Jun 12 08:33 |
| oiaohm | I don't think those cost benefit optimisations will bring x86 back to being in the class of arm or risc-v in cost benefit for production. | Jun 12 08:34 |
| psydread | I'm wondering with Apple jumping ship to their own processors across the board how much of an impact this will have on the rest of the computer industry | Jun 12 08:35 |
| oiaohm | psydread: https://www.networkworld.com/article/3435727/two-amd-epyc-processors-crush-four-intel-xeons-in-tests.html << please note at high end that chiplet optimisation of amd was not small. Being able to under cut Intel at 1/4 of the cost and still have more performance than the intel parts. | Jun 12 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Two AMD Epyc processors crush four Intel Xeons in tests | Network World | Jun 12 08:37 | |
| oiaohm | Low end not so much. | Jun 12 08:37 |
| psydread | oiaohm, you're right and I think that is where x86 can obviously still have a large impact | Jun 12 08:37 |
| psydread | to me this really looks like x86 vs RISC (SPARC/POWER/MIPS) of 20 years ago | Jun 12 08:38 |
| oiaohm | Most of the cost of production optimisations for x86 will be high end part cost reduction. | Jun 12 08:39 |
| oiaohm | Most of what apple sells is low end really. | Jun 12 08:39 |
| oiaohm | So apple moving to arm kind of makes sense. | Jun 12 08:39 |
| oiaohm | You also have to remember that apple migrated from powerpc to x86 so migrating to arm they should be able to pull it off. | Jun 12 08:40 |
| oiaohm | Of course this is going to effect those who have been taking x86 PC and turning them into macs as that going to stop working at some point. | Jun 12 08:41 |
| oiaohm | apple data recovery if t2 chip is anything to go by is going to come complete disaster zone. | Jun 12 08:41 |
| psydread | I must say that I don't have any experience with apple hardware beyond the old powerpc machines, especially not the newer stuff with the t2 chip | Jun 12 08:43 |
| schestowitz | well, Intel is obsolete | Jun 12 08:43 |
| schestowitz | not sure you saw it in phoronix | Jun 12 08:43 |
| schestowitz | but they're losing their key staff now, spin that as reorg | Jun 12 08:43 |
| schestowitz | hours ago: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-June-2020-Leadership | Jun 12 08:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Announces Jim Keller's Departure, Other Leadership Changes - Phoronix | Jun 12 08:44 | |
| schestowitz | so focused on speed and cheating benchmarks, they made lots of defective chips with back doors and unreasonable power consumption | Jun 12 08:44 |
| schestowitz | so their rivals will be eating their lunch | Jun 12 08:44 |
| schestowitz | Remember Intel Atom? LOL. | Jun 12 08:44 |
| psydread | yes | Jun 12 08:45 |
| psydread | even the newer Intel Celeron/Pentium Silver are pretty dreadful to use and they are still selling them at relatively premium prices | Jun 12 08:46 |
| psydread | the question that is on my mind is "did they really not see the arrival of leaner and meaner rivals coming?" | Jun 12 08:47 |
| oiaohm | They cut the prices of those chips in half to what they were as the prior generation. | Jun 12 08:50 |
| oiaohm | Intel is unlikely to sink they fab a huge number of chips that are not theirs and could keep their operations alive on that income alone. | Jun 12 09:02 |
| psydread | I'm wondering if Intel will switch to RISC-V at some point considering the people they have planted at SiFive | Jun 12 09:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There were those crazy Transmeta CPUs. | Jun 12 09:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They emulated x86 and it was impossible to use the CPU's native mode. | Jun 12 09:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not really sure why. | Jun 12 09:19 |
| psydread | Maybe because they wanted to be able to change it without exposing it to software, which would make it impossible to make invasive changes | Jun 12 09:21 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: Its not impossible to use Transmeta CPU in native mode. | Jun 12 10:01 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: the native instructions set is 128 bits long in size. About the only person known to have writen in that natve asm is Linus head of the Linux kernel.. | Jun 12 10:02 |
| oiaohm | psydread: 128 bit instuction set of Transmeta is really different to the way the intel and amd does their micro code that is a set of small instructions or the way risc-v was. Basiclaly existing complier designed to make native Transmeta instruction set code was not going to fly. | Jun 12 10:07 |
| oiaohm | So coding native for Transmeta CPU was basically code in a unique asm. | Jun 12 10:07 |
| oiaohm | That required ripping up most of your ideas on how you would write asm instructions. | Jun 12 10:10 |
| psydread | oiaohm, but isn't that exactly what you have to do for Elbrus too? | Jun 12 10:11 |
| psydread | my Russian is good enough to just be able to read it, but I think there are some examples here | Jun 12 10:13 |
| psydread | http://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/people/mike/elbrus/docs/elbrus_prog/html/ | Jun 12 10:13 |
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| oiaohm | psydread: Elbrus 2000 instruction set was not as insane as the Transmeta one. | Jun 12 10:16 |
| psydread | now I'm interested in the Transmeta instruction set and if there is perhaps an emulator for it | Jun 12 10:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes 512-bit wide instruction of the Elbrus turns out to be more sane to code in than the 128 bit Transmeta and happens to be more friendly. | Jun 12 10:17 |
| oiaohm | Please note 128 bit instruciton in Transmeta that was binary the same could be as insane as to a subtract if cpu is in X state but that same instruction do a multiply if the cpu was in Y state. | Jun 12 10:18 |
| oiaohm | psydread: basically rip up the concept that X asm instruction does only 1 thing. | Jun 12 10:19 |
| oiaohm | No complier I know of other than Transmeta prototypes I know that were designed to deal with that concept. | Jun 12 10:19 |
| schestowitz | [08:47] <psydread> the question that is on my mind is "did they really not see the arrival of leaner and meaner rivals coming?" | Jun 12 10:20 |
| schestowitz | they did | Jun 12 10:20 |
| schestowitz | that's why they attacked them | Jun 12 10:20 |
| schestowitz | see what they did to OLPC which used Geode IIRC | Jun 12 10:20 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/OLPC | Jun 12 10:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | OLPC - Techrights | Jun 12 10:20 | |
| oiaohm | Microsoft and Intel both went after the OLPC. | Jun 12 10:20 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I am guessing that Torvalds' Transmeta patents are just about expiring now | Jun 12 10:21 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's troll, IV, scooped them up, IIRC | Jun 12 10:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not all of them, I did not check | Jun 12 10:21 |
| schestowitz | Imagine Linus being sued by Microsoft's troll by his own patents! | Jun 12 10:21 |
| schestowitz | IV v LF? :-) | Jun 12 10:21 |
| schestowitz | "monetising" action | Jun 12 10:21 |
| oiaohm | That was funny Linus kept ownership of his patents. | Jun 12 10:22 |
| oiaohm | To have Linus patents you had to employ him by some means or another. | Jun 12 10:22 |
| schestowitz | Are you sure they're all assigned to him? | Jun 12 10:22 |
| schestowitz | Maybe only his name is on the patent "inventor" | Jun 12 10:22 |
| schestowitz | you can look up uspto.gov | Jun 12 10:25 |
| schestowitz | I never looked into all this when IV bought them | Jun 12 10:26 |
| schestowitz | but it can be an interesting article... IF in fact IV has Torvalds patents | Jun 12 10:26 |
| schestowitz | and then uses these against companies that support Linux | Jun 12 10:26 |
| schestowitz | and they then need to come up with prior art to invalidate Torvalds' patents, showing they're unriginal | Jun 12 10:26 |
| schestowitz | *unrogiinal | Jun 12 10:26 |
| schestowitz | *unoriginal even | Jun 12 10:26 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: 2012 is when Transmeta patents covering their version of wide instruction set go bell up. | Jun 12 10:28 |
| schestowitz | “OSTree is like Git, but for storing entire filesystem images such as a complete Linux system. OSTree stores more metadata about its files than Git does: ownership, complete permissions (Git only remembers whether or not a file is executable), and extended attributes (“xattrs”).” https://lwn.net/Articles/821367/ | Jun 12 10:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Merkle trees and build systems [LWN.net] | Jun 12 10:28 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Elbrus is prior art to most of the Transmeta patents. | Jun 12 10:28 |
| oiaohm | But that was hidden russia development at the time. | Jun 12 10:28 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: basically 2022-2023 is when key Transmeta patents go bellup. | Jun 12 10:32 |
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| MinceR | 12 064518 < psydread> what I don't understand of the IT industry is that MS and Gates could be resigned to the dustbin of history quite quickly if everyone just ignored and stopped buying their products, but instead of that people would rather be complicit in recommending and implementing their garbage level take on technology | Jun 12 11:19 |
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| MinceR | microsoft tax, format lock-in, corruption, shoddy education | Jun 12 11:19 |
| schestowitz | or... "Linux sucks" | Jun 12 11:19 |
| schestowitz | According to Bryan from Microsoft | Jun 12 11:20 |
| MinceR | in hungary, apparently they still teach people to use microshit orifice in a way that they're competely lost even if just the UI colors change | Jun 12 11:20 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz | whose site has lately been glamouring Bill and making old Windows seem like a cherished asset | Jun 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: good luck with ribbons | Jun 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz | oh hety | Jun 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz | ribbons removed now | Jun 12 11:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz | let's retrain | Jun 12 11:20 |
| MinceR | already? | Jun 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jun 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe lasted 10 years | Jun 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz | for fake 'innovation' | Jun 12 11:21 |
| schestowitz | on rianne's laptop libreoffice does not even have menus!! | Jun 12 11:21 |
| schestowitz | just a bunch of toy-like icons | Jun 12 11:21 |
| schestowitz | worse than lyx! | Jun 12 11:21 |
| schestowitz | at one point libreoffice wanted to imitate ribbons | Jun 12 11:21 |
| MinceR | sadly | Jun 12 11:21 |
| schestowitz | and we were all like.... wwwwwwwwwwwwhy? | Jun 12 11:21 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/04/28/7cfb88ab6dbb1914.jpg | Jun 12 11:28 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/shitty-patents.jpg | Jun 12 11:37 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: ribbons was a nicked idea of tabbed toolbars. | Jun 12 12:11 |
| schestowitz | from Corel IIRC | Jun 12 12:18 |
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| MinceR | corel still had a menu though, didn't they? | Jun 12 12:35 |
| MinceR | and their toolbar probably wasn't gigantic either | Jun 12 12:35 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: hotdog software did tabbed toolbars for a html editor before corel did. | Jun 12 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Most UX/UI stuff is nicked from someone who does not exist any more these days. | Jun 12 13:02 |
| MinceR | https://imag.malavida.com/mvimgbig/download-fs/hotdog-professional-74-1.jpg | Jun 12 13:04 |
| MinceR | apparently not only did it retain the menu but it also retained fixed toolbars | Jun 12 13:04 |
| MinceR | so, they did tabbed toolbars in a way that is actually usable, unlike the ribbon | Jun 12 13:04 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/668886.jpg | Jun 12 13:06 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/668998.jpg | Jun 12 13:16 |
| XRevan86 | Why is a tomography scan called a cat scan? | Jun 12 13:21 |
| schestowitz | joke? | Jun 12 13:25 |
| schestowitz | it's an acronym | Jun 12 13:25 |
| MinceR | Computerized Axial Tomography scan | Jun 12 13:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Found it right at the same moment %). Was a bit tricky, usually sites expand it to just computerised tomography. | Jun 12 13:27 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 12 13:27 |
| XRevan86 | There's also a PET scan. | Jun 12 13:28 |
| MinceR | Positron Emission Tomography | Jun 12 13:28 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: its funny how often the first form of a design is right then everyone following up managed to screw it up. | Jun 12 13:38 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: That's what happens when copyCATs don't understand what they're copying completely. | Jun 12 13:42 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: i just noticed your name kinda looks like XFree86 | Jun 12 13:46 |
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| MinceR | http://wumo.com/wumo/2020/06/10 | Jun 12 14:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wumo 10. Jun 2020 | Wumo | Jun 12 14:33 | |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Heh, that is indeed the reference %) | Jun 12 14:53 |
| CrystalMath | i'm gonna try to compile it and use it | Jun 12 14:54 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: It has a fork called X.org, you may want to try that one %) | Jun 12 14:56 |
| CrystalMath | yeah i'm using X.org (sometimes) | Jun 12 14:57 |
| CrystalMath | when i'm not on the framebuffer console | Jun 12 14:57 |
| CrystalMath | but i want to give XFree86 a try | Jun 12 14:57 |
| CrystalMath | maybe i'll fork it, even | Jun 12 14:57 |
| CrystalMath | and try to create an alternative to X.org | Jun 12 14:57 |
| CrystalMath | i will call it Xanthine | Jun 12 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | At least not Xtreme! | Jun 12 14:58 |
| CrystalMath | one thing i wouldn't like to do (ironically, because i usually love to) is create drivers | Jun 12 14:59 |
| CrystalMath | because... most linux graphics drivers require something non-free like firmware | Jun 12 14:59 |
| CrystalMath | so i would rather just use VESA forever | Jun 12 14:59 |
| CrystalMath | the only thing i could test anyway is R600 | Jun 12 15:01 |
| XRevan86 | Although I guess it's more fair to call X.org a successor to XFree86 | Jun 12 15:01 |
| CrystalMath | XFree86 was made to avoid X.org when it was proprietary | Jun 12 15:02 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: No, you got it backwards. | Jun 12 15:02 |
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| CrystalMath | X386 it was | Jun 12 15:03 |
| CrystalMath | not X.org | Jun 12 15:03 |
| CrystalMath | and X386 was proprietary | Jun 12 15:03 |
| CrystalMath | XFree86 was always free (as far as i can see in the CVS history0 | Jun 12 15:04 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: XFree86 changed the licence, which is why X.org was created. | Jun 12 15:04 |
| CrystalMath | what you may be remembering, is that XFree86 switched to a GPLv2-incompatible license | Jun 12 15:04 |
| XRevan86 | It's on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86#2004:_Licensing_controversy | Jun 12 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | XFree86 - Wikipedia | Jun 12 15:04 | |
| CrystalMath | yes but the XFree86 license was always compatible with GPLv3 | Jun 12 15:04 |
| CrystalMath | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X386 | Jun 12 15:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | X386 - Wikipedia | Jun 12 15:05 | |
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| CrystalMath | XRevan86: "In September 1992, the XFree86 project was created to continue development of X386 as open source software, the name being a pun on "X386", distinguishing it from the proprietary SGCS version." | Jun 12 15:06 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: I know. | Jun 12 15:06 |
| CrystalMath | honestly Xanthine will just be GPLv3 | Jun 12 15:07 |
| CrystalMath | why not | Jun 12 15:07 |
| CrystalMath | well, my changes | Jun 12 15:07 |
| CrystalMath | will be GPLv3 | Jun 12 15:07 |
| CrystalMath | i mean why is it interesting to commercialize it | Jun 12 15:07 |
| CrystalMath | it's not... | Jun 12 15:07 |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/turmoil | Jun 12 16:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Turmoil | Jun 12 16:48 | |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://hugelol.com/lol/668906 | Jun 12 17:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hugelol.com | They were called humans. And they walked like this! | Jun 12 17:10 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The XFree86 people were just awful. | Jun 12 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were blaming all of its problems on people who were trying to fix it. | Jun 12 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was being ran like a BSD, which was why a new piece of hardware would come out and a year and a half later, there'd still be absolutely no support at all for it in XFree86. | Jun 12 18:43 |
| MinceR | IOW, it was ran better than systemd and Linux? :> | Jun 12 18:43 |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/dream-3 | Jun 12 19:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Dream | Jun 12 19:06 | |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: i generally like it live in the past with computing | Jun 12 19:16 |
| CrystalMath | *like to live | Jun 12 19:16 |
| CrystalMath | hmm, my typos have not fixed even though i managed to sleep last night | Jun 12 19:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The biggest problem with modern computers seems to be all of the fucking garbage Microsoft crammed into the system firmware that made it stunningly worse than the jerry rigged PC BIOS clones that had been hacked to death over 25 years. | Jun 12 19:19 |
| CrystalMath | yep | Jun 12 19:20 |
| CrystalMath | that's exactly it | Jun 12 19:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For some reasom we need boot partitions on FAT, a system that makes sure the user can't control what the kernel does, and an assortment of potentially hardware-destroying bugs that took 10 years to get to the point where you probably won't encounter one. | Jun 12 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My laptop has the one where if you load the Intel-spi driver, the firmware settings become read only. | Jun 12 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ubuntu mindlessly shipped that module for no reason and I was just lucky I don't use Ubuntu because it didn't support my laptop well a few years ago. | Jun 12 19:23 |
| CrystalMath | i don't use EFI on any machine | Jun 12 19:26 |
| CrystalMath | this machine does not even support it | Jun 12 19:26 |
| CrystalMath | even though it's from 2011 | Jun 12 19:26 |
| CrystalMath | i have decided to never upgrade, which means i will only use used computer parts from now on | Jun 12 19:26 |
| CrystalMath | unless i switch to something else like TALOS | Jun 12 19:27 |
| CrystalMath | another possibility is RISC-V | Jun 12 19:28 |
| CrystalMath | that is, it either has to be an old PC or 100% open source | Jun 12 19:28 |
| CrystalMath | at the very least it must support legacy boot | Jun 12 19:28 |
| CrystalMath | i remove secure boot and lockdown support from the kernel | Jun 12 19:29 |
| CrystalMath | also i removed IPv6 :P | Jun 12 19:29 |
| CrystalMath | and i enabled more kernel hacking options | Jun 12 19:29 |
| CrystalMath | removed ALL forms of module signing | Jun 12 19:30 |
| psydroid | I have 2 laptops with UEFI (one I bought and one I got), which I've had for 4 and 2 years respectively. I've disabled Secure Boot, but not everything works correctly with legacy boot. | Jun 12 20:02 |
| psydroid | One is my main work laptop and the other one (a gaming laptop never actually used for that purpose) is mainly for emulation and virtualisation | Jun 12 20:04 |
| psydroid | so yes, I am using Intel hardware to prepare for getting away from Intel | Jun 12 20:04 |
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| hi | Hi | Jun 12 20:09 |
| hi | Is there an email address to contact the author of the articles on Gates and Rick Allen Jones ? | Jun 12 20:09 |
| hi | garyjordan21@yahoo.com | Jun 12 20:10 |
| psydroid | who is Rick Allen Jones? | Jun 12 20:10 |
| hi | I was wondering if there was any update, as I am trying to place a request for the 2851 page report from Seattle police | Jun 12 20:11 |
| hi | Please contact me. Writing a book. Thanks. | Jun 12 20:11 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Download Linux Mint 20 “Ulyana” Beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138639#comment-25476 [https://pleroma.site/objects/19374546-3bb2-4120-a9a6-81d95433ba57] | Jun 12 22:12 | |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/automation | Jun 12 22:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Automation | Jun 12 22:55 | |
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| XRevan86 | After discovering that MariaDB/MySQL considers UNION ALL in a WHERE IN as a dependent subquery (IN-to-EXISTS no doubt), I've decided that LEFT JOIN while checking the right relation's attribute's NULLness is the way to go. | Jun 12 23:00 |
| XRevan86 | in implementing semi-joins with a union as a right relation. | Jun 12 23:03 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I was going over the source code to the AAC encoder in FFMpeg. | Jun 12 23:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems a large source of the "improvements" were adapting a bunch of code originally written for LAME to AAC. | Jun 12 23:24 |
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| psydread | so they are not actually improvements or not optimally adapted to decoding/encoding AAC? | Jun 12 23:28 |
| schestowitz | [20:11] <hi> Please contact me. Writing a book. Thanks. | Jun 12 23:29 |
| schestowitz | does not sound like a "professional" endeavour | Jun 12 23:29 |
| schestowitz | could be just anyone who writes something, they didn't even look up my email address and use some random yahoo account | Jun 12 23:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <psydread "so they are not actually improve"> Not really original code. The bits that were used seem to have been altered to account for AAC's different long and short block sizes and the fact that AAC does not have an sfb21 problem. | Jun 12 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The comments suggest several things to fix or investigate later. | Jun 12 23:32 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The VBR mode does not work especially well. | Jun 12 23:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That, by itself, is not a huge issue. | Jun 12 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | CBR in both AAC and MP3 are fine, and Apple only ever uses CBR. | Jun 12 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's somewhat stupid, but it gets the job done because of the bit reservoir. | Jun 12 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The bit reservoir lets the encoder pack additional frame data from one frame into the parts of another frame that it doesn't really need to maintain the quality level that it's trying for. | Jun 12 23:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It lets the momentary bitrate go up or down without affecting the size of any particular frame. | Jun 12 23:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | psymodel.c in LAME used to be more complicated because it would use one code path for VBR and the older psymodel for CBR. | Jun 12 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The newer psymodel for VBR is whaf gets used for CBR now. | Jun 12 23:37 |
| psydread | I suppose a lot of code in free software could be further improved or rewritten to increase quality and performance | Jun 12 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, LAME still has the old psymodel too, which is weird. | Jun 12 23:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can activate it with a switch, but it is almost always significantly lower quality results with slower performance. | Jun 12 23:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Out of like 20 samples I think old only beat new once as of LAME 3.98. | Jun 12 23:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know if that would even be the case since more tuning was done for 3.99. | Jun 12 23:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fraunhofer seems to have a derivative of their MP3 FastEnc code's psymodel for FDK-AAC in Android. | Jun 12 23:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | FastEnc MP3 was never open source though. | Jun 12 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You could license the source code and customize it with a licensing agreement. | Jun 12 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's how Thomson did it. So if you want to use the later FhG FastEnc code for MP3, the Thomson MP3 Surround 1.5 encoder is the way to go. | Jun 12 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With 2 channel input it's just a plain old standards-compliant MP3 encoder. | Jun 12 23:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | psydread: They time bombed the Windows version to read the system clock and if it's after a certain day in 2013, the Windows version won't work, but it can't read the system clock in Wine to realize it's timebombed, apparently. | Jun 12 23:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know why you'd use that one though, since the Linux one didn't have a timebomb in it. | Jun 12 23:44 |
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| psydread | I never really looked into all of this stuff, although I had a signal processing class a long time ago | Jun 12 23:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The FhG FastEnc encoder isn't bad, but I would suggest the second highest VBR setting and running it in high quality mode. | Jun 12 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | High Quality mode slows the encoder down a little by using two pass encoding to make sure that it got the expected results and to fix it if necessary. | Jun 12 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The highest VBR setting wastes a lot of bits and without much of a quality increase. | Jun 12 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The big difference is it almost exclusively uses L/R stereo instead of M/S. | Jun 12 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In MP3, M/S stereo is not a lossless step because it is applied before quantization, not after. | Jun 12 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the process is irreversible and may introduce quantization noise of its own. | Jun 12 23:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A good encoder will take a look frame by frame and decide whether the benefit is bigger than the drawback/ | Jun 12 23:52 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | In the ideal case, it causes almost no quality degradation and results in a massive savings of data. | Jun 12 23:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LAME is less aggressive about using M/S stereo on a frame, but at the higher quality levels will typically use 70-75% M/S. | Jun 12 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | FhG is roughly 98% M/S and 2% L/R. | Jun 12 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least in the 2, 3, 4, and 5 settings on the VBR quality scale. | Jun 12 23:54 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20022936 | Jun 12 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4394468) | Jun 12 23:56 | |
| XRevan86 | Rondal McDondal? | Jun 12 23:59 |
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