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psydreadI think it's paradoxical, as Windows is the least popular it's ever been and some vocal long-time Linux users are signalling that they've moved to WindowsJul 12 00:00
psydreadsomething doesn't add upJul 12 00:00
psydreadyes, it's more that you get a new kernel, X11 and Mesa if you install a point releaseJul 12 00:01
schestowitzwho has said that?Jul 12 00:02
psydreadwhich is probably not a bad thing as that was often considered a reason for installing a GA releaseJul 12 00:02
schestowitzI saw noneJul 12 00:02
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psydreadpeople on some forums did and I find it weirdJul 12 00:04
psydreadas if they had been waiting for WSL to save them from using a Linux desktop to develop for LinuxJul 12 00:05
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: ASCII, Carrion and Slippi http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139772 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2e628fff-ef1d-4bd0-b75f-8d230b2dd410]Jul 12 00:08
schestowitzcould be astroturfersJul 12 00:09
schestowitzmicrosoft has a history sending those out, trotting them away for "mindshare"Jul 12 00:09
psydreadthat's why I said it doesn't add upJul 12 00:10
schestowitzwsl has been a blunderJul 12 00:11
schestowitzafter 4 years very tepid adoption ratesJul 12 00:11
schestowitzthey even tried to keep these secretJul 12 00:11
psydreadand they're all over social control mediaJul 12 00:11
schestowitzas it is embarassingJul 12 00:11
schestowitzsocial control media is a hornet's nest for astroturfersJul 12 00:11
schestowitzthat's why I quit reading it completelyJul 12 00:11
schestowitzyou don't know who's whoJul 12 00:12
schestowitzin linux forums you can at least check posting history and pedigreeJul 12 00:12
schestowitzit may sound outlandish, that I accuse Microsoft of AstroTurfing... BUT.... they have done this before and got CAUGHTJul 12 00:12
schestowitzThey also did it in YouTube, Reddit...Jul 12 00:12
schestowitzthey call it "mindshare"Jul 12 00:12
schestowitzthis is the company that had letters written with names of DEAD people..Jul 12 00:13
schestowitzto support MicrosoftJul 12 00:13
psydreadI always get those astroturfers to go silent by refuting all of their claims, but they try to force other people to adopt their point of view by being exceptionally rude and condescending towards themJul 12 00:15
DaemonFC[m]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoScriptJul 12 00:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | NoScript - WikipediaJul 12 00:19
DaemonFC[m]I applied the Inclusive Terminology Guidelines. Hehehee...Jul 12 00:19
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139773 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0b32fd51-37be-4a51-875b-bdefb5473437]Jul 12 00:20
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The possibilities of trolling Wikipedia are really endless.Jul 12 00:25
DaemonFC[m]You could rename the article about slavery to call it dependency, and rename slaves to dependents.Jul 12 00:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 12/7/2020: KDE Plasma 5.20 Preview and Elive 3.8.14 Beta http://techrights.org/2020/07/11/elive-3-8-14-beta/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/6c812cc6-5425-4495-970d-0dd34de2582a]Jul 12 00:26
MinceR:>Jul 12 00:26
MinceR11 225152 < DaemonFC[m]> "systemd has faced mixed reception from Linux users, with arguments that systemd suffers from mission creep and bloat"Jul 12 00:27
MinceRdon't forget breaking other programs and locking users out of using certain programs, which actually tended to work, unlike the systemd replacementJul 12 00:27
DaemonFC[m]If mission creep and bloat was where it ended, we'd be better off than we are now.Jul 12 00:27
MinceRyeahJul 12 00:27
MinceRif they didn't take over debian for the sole purpose of forcing it on unsuspecting users, for exampleJul 12 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Replacing programs and then turning them into symlinks to something from systemd which turns out to not be compatible.Jul 12 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Always fun!Jul 12 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Naming  the incompatible replacement program after a Red Hat-ism.Jul 12 00:29
schestowitz[00:19] <DaemonFC[m]> I applied the Inclusive Terminology Guidelines. Hehehee...Jul 12 00:29
schestowitzLOLJul 12 00:29
schestowitzthat won't go wellJul 12 00:29
schestowitzand it would make the people who pursue this agenda look worseJul 12 00:30
schestowitzlike wiki bulliesJul 12 00:30
schestowitzof course you merely pretend to be oneJul 12 00:30
DaemonFC[m]Well, I can alway Sage Sharp them.Jul 12 00:30
schestowitzso you removed "blacklist"?Jul 12 00:30
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: That's the plan.Jul 12 00:30
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NoScript&action=historyJul 12 00:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | NoScript: Revision history - WikipediaJul 12 00:30
schestowitzLOL!!Jul 12 00:30
schestowitz"which a user can wholly or partially unblock by allowlisting a site or domain from the extension's "Jul 12 00:31
schestowitzSo now it's a verb, too?Jul 12 00:31
schestowitzif they revert back, are they thus white supremacists?Jul 12 00:31
schestowitzwho has the courage?Jul 12 00:31
DaemonFC[m]Start randomly clobbering wikipedia articles with Find and Replace with the Linux Inclusiveness Guidelines and make people pissed.Jul 12 00:31
DaemonFC[m]Absolutely!Jul 12 00:31
DaemonFC[m]Wiki war!Jul 12 00:31
MinceR:)Jul 12 00:31
schestowitzwowJul 12 00:32
DaemonFC[m]Escalate! Escalate!Jul 12 00:32
schestowitzwhat a waste of everyone's timeJul 12 00:32
schestowitznext they'll have to change their guiJul 12 00:32
schestowitzto match wiki and docsJul 12 00:32
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: do this too >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RemasterJul 12 00:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Remaster - WikipediaJul 12 00:32
DaemonFC[m]Except me, because I'll be laughing my ass off while I'm channeling Matthew Garrett on them.Jul 12 00:32
MinceRalso, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastering_(audio)Jul 12 00:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mastering (audio) - WikipediaJul 12 00:32
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Remaster&action=historyJul 12 00:33
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It has to be subtle, at first.Jul 12 00:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Remaster: Revision history - WikipediaJul 12 00:33
schestowitz"Vexxalo talk contribs‎ 22,269 bytes +197‎ If you go to a lot of other websites about this subject they will all agree with my statement "Jul 12 00:33
DaemonFC[m]Something that is easily defensible.Jul 12 00:33
MinceR:)Jul 12 00:33
DaemonFC[m]That way they're unreasonable.Jul 12 00:33
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_dialecticJul 12 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Master–slave dialectic - WikipediaJul 12 00:34
DaemonFC[m]Then once you win the argument, you go a little further.Jul 12 00:34
schestowitznext wordJul 12 00:34
schestowitznext contextJul 12 00:34
DaemonFC[m]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blacklist_%28TV_series%29Jul 12 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | The Blacklist (TV series) - WikipediaJul 12 00:34
DaemonFC[m]The DenylistJul 12 00:34
MinceRlolJul 12 00:34
MinceRwe need a dictionaryJul 12 00:34
schestowitzeventually you can edit away at the page about "White"Jul 12 00:35
MinceRThe List of ColorJul 12 00:35
schestowitzand "Black"Jul 12 00:35
schestowitzban #fffJul 12 00:35
schestowitzffuuuuuuuuuckJul 12 00:35
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/nYPRgq6.mp4Jul 12 00:35
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_peopleJul 12 00:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Black people - WikipediaJul 12 00:36
MinceRDeny peopleJul 12 00:36
schestowitzlolJul 12 00:36
schestowitzto MinceRJul 12 00:36
DaemonFC[m]Don't forget the infamous Hollywood Denylist during the McCarthy era.Jul 12 00:36
MinceR:>Jul 12 00:36
schestowitzthis is going nowhere goodJul 12 00:36
schestowitzand waste of productivity for allJul 12 00:37
MinceRthat applies also to humanityJul 12 00:37
DaemonFC[m]Dalton Trumbo got denylisted and had to use a primary/secondary system to get his scripts through.Jul 12 00:37
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/07/06/racist-projection/Jul 12 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | They Tell the Free Software Community That It is Racist While Saying Nothing at All About Trump’s Racism (Because He Gives Them Government and Military Contracts) | TechrightsJul 12 00:38
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I might Wiki Move the article about blacklisting and call it Denylisting.Jul 12 00:39
schestowitztoo far a stepJul 12 00:39
schestowitzor "too early"Jul 12 00:39
schestowitzlike they say about joking re dead peopleJul 12 00:40
MinceRanother later move >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_PuppetsJul 12 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Master of Puppets - WikipediaJul 12 00:40
DaemonFC[m]Primary of PuppetsJul 12 00:40
MinceRand of course DLM (Deny Lives Matter)Jul 12 00:40
DaemonFC[m]FASTER!!!! FASTER!!! OBEY YOUR DIRECTOR!!!!Jul 12 00:41
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "and of course DLM (Deny Lives Ma"> You have been redirected from Republican Party.Jul 12 00:41
schestowitz"pro life"Jul 12 00:42
MinceRlolJul 12 00:42
schestowitzThe "pro life" party now has 3.4 million COVID lives in its hands. But DO NOT WEAR A MASK! That's what "BABY KILLER" Dems do...Jul 12 00:43
DaemonFC[m]Basically.Jul 12 00:43
XRevan86I wonder if translators will continue to translate "denylist" as "чёрный список" or similiar.Jul 12 00:43
DaemonFC[m]Don't wear a mask or you'll be like the Godless Liberals in California, who want to let 8,000 Bad Hombres out to skullfuck Grandma.Jul 12 00:43
XRevan86"разрешающий список" might break one's screenJul 12 00:44
MinceRkinkyJul 12 00:44
schestowitz60777 casesJul 12 00:44
XRevan86* "запрещающий список"Jul 12 00:44
schestowitzwith over an hour left to incrementJul 12 00:44
XRevan86Probably "список що забороняє" in UkrainianJul 12 00:45
DaemonFC[m]Mom was like "It's not just red states. It's California too!". I said, "They have Republicans and those are the areas hit hardest. Ever hear of Orange County?".Jul 12 00:45
MinceRmaybe they're switching allegiance from Yahweh to NurgleJul 12 00:46
DaemonFC[m]A woman over in McHenry hit a store worker at Home Depot for telling her to wear a mask.Jul 12 00:46
MinceRthat would be a good thing, wouldn't it?Jul 12 00:46
DaemonFC[m]The cops got the woman on assault, battery, and disorderly conduct.Jul 12 00:46
XRevan86Eh, whom am I kidding, inclusivity is English-only.Jul 12 00:46
cubexyzmicrosoft doesn't just astroturf, there's lots of bots that troll forumsJul 12 00:47
XRevan86Speak the inclusive language – EnglishJul 12 00:49
DaemonFC[m]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adblock_PlusJul 12 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Adblock Plus - WikipediaJul 12 00:52
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_holeJul 12 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Black hole - WikipediaJul 12 00:52
MinceR-> Deny holeJul 12 00:53
cubexyzIBM PC was pretty much open architectureJul 12 00:53
schestowitza lot of things look black in spaceJul 12 00:53
schestowitzthat's what happens when photons are fewJul 12 00:53
cubexyzand they used off-the-shelf partsJul 12 00:53
DaemonFC[m]I got Adblock Plus.Jul 12 00:54
DaemonFC[m]The best part is when it says there's controversy over "allowlisting" of "acceptable ads".Jul 12 00:54
cubexyzand IBM made a ton from their earlier computersJul 12 00:54
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: John Cleese was very inspiring. Jul 12 00:54
schestowitzcubexyz: they still leverage patentsJul 12 00:55
schestowitzin what context, DaemonFC[m]?Jul 12 00:55
schestowitzhe complained about the word "snowflake"Jul 12 00:55
schestowitzfor mocking empathyJul 12 00:55
DaemonFC[m]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Irritate_PeopleJul 12 00:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | How to Irritate People - WikipediaJul 12 00:56
XRevan86In a way it's another attempt at punishing the international community with inclusivityJul 12 00:56
DaemonFC[m]At some point, someone will read an article I edited and go completely nuts about it.Jul 12 00:57
DaemonFC[m]Ranting and raving that the damned liberals are taking over everything.Jul 12 00:57
DaemonFC[m]I won't even know.Jul 12 00:57
DaemonFC[m]It's not really that I care about this, I'm just playing into it to piss people off and start a Wikipedia war that ends with some new policy that either causes conservatives or SJWs to have a meltdown. Jul 12 00:58
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I'm neither and I'm having a meltdown.Jul 12 00:59
DaemonFC[m]In other words, here's one group I hate. Here's another group I hate.Jul 12 00:59
DaemonFC[m]Let's see if I can get them to start throwing shit at each other.Jul 12 01:00
cubexyzschestowitz, I think IBM has more US patents than anyoneJul 12 01:00
cubexyzsomething ridiculous like 140,000 US patents nowJul 12 01:00
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: They've been doing that for years.Jul 12 01:00
DaemonFC[m]cubexyz: Yeah, Microsoft joining OIN had its reasons.Jul 12 01:01
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I'd rather they'd stop, because they're radicalising each other.Jul 12 01:01
DaemonFC[m]It indemnifies them from violating about 50 times as many patents as they "donated".Jul 12 01:01
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: They're throwing shit at each other, but they also feed off that shit.Jul 12 01:01
DaemonFC[m]60,000 patents isn't an especially large dragon hoard especially when Linux/Android may very well not violate most of them anyway.Jul 12 01:02
DaemonFC[m]So you get good PR and your competitors can't size you up for a lawsuit for what you take from the pool.Jul 12 01:02
DaemonFC[m]Remember that when they made that announcement, exfat wasn't even included in it.Jul 12 01:03
DaemonFC[m]That came later. Probably after they extracted some more money from someone.Jul 12 01:03
DaemonFC[m]Oddly, they also made the exfat announcement right in time for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS to bring ExFAT into the kernel.Jul 12 01:04
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of ridiculous that you can even get 6 patents on ExFAT.Jul 12 01:04
DaemonFC[m]It's about 6,000 lines of code and there's nothing particularly novel about it. Jul 12 01:05
DaemonFC[m]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#DerivativesJul 12 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File Allocation Table - WikipediaJul 12 01:08
DaemonFC[m]"there is only one copy of the FAT on the Xbox"Jul 12 01:08
DaemonFC[m]Oh good, so if the master FAT gets corrupted there's no slave FAT, or BIG BOOBS FAT. How robust and innovative.Jul 12 01:09
DaemonFC[m]https://www.wired.com/2012/07/b16b00b5/Jul 12 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Adds 'Big Boobs' to Linux Kernel | WIREDJul 12 01:11
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/VVANsaXbZvDrcLqhtmQbVCfD >Jul 12 01:11
DaemonFC[m]You can't spell sniggering without...... Oh my.Jul 12 01:11
DaemonFC[m]How very insensitive!Jul 12 01:12
MinceRlolJul 12 01:12
MinceRsblacking.Jul 12 01:12
DaemonFC[m]I started up Konqueror to complain but the kio-slave couldn't initiate the Konq Protocol. Jul 12 01:15
DaemonFC[m]I don't know what the Konq Protocol is but I think it's when systemd gets so bad that they have to bring a briefcase into the room and crack open plastic cards with launch codes or something, isk.Jul 12 01:17
DaemonFC[m]*idkJul 12 01:17
DaemonFC[m]This is why I couldn't be the president. I'd have the Russians trying to figure out what the Konq Protocol is with an "accidental leak" on White House letterhead. Jul 12 01:19
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I know what the Cole Protocol is.Jul 12 01:19
DaemonFC[m]It's what Rick Jones should have had in place. laughsJul 12 01:20
DaemonFC[m]I've heard of people setting something like that up though.Jul 12 01:21
DaemonFC[m]Where if the cops are trying to brute force something and get it wrong several times, the data self-destructs. Like, there's no way to decrypt it anymore.Jul 12 01:22
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, it's from Halo.Jul 12 01:23
schestowitzhalohaloJul 12 01:23
schestowitzgnJul 12 01:23
MinceRy halo 2 uJul 12 01:26
DaemonFC[m]Another game that Microsoft probably doesn't want to talk about.Jul 12 01:26
DaemonFC[m]They designed Cortana with.....big boobs, that were only somewhat covered.Jul 12 01:27
DaemonFC[m]Because an AI needs those. Right?Jul 12 01:27
MinceRyou can't spell "homeowner" without "meow".Jul 12 01:27
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but most people who "own" a home are really just paying a bank for so long that by the time they might have owned it, it'll be in serious disrepair, oh and just in time to go to the nursing home after all those years of struggle. Jul 12 01:29
DaemonFC[m]Congratulations, it's paid. Now enjoy it because in 5 years you'll be painting the walls in your own shit and won't remember your name.Jul 12 01:29
DaemonFC[m]But hey, at least it stopped you from moving out of Illinois, because nobody is going to buy it after looking at the taxes.Jul 12 01:30
DaemonFC[m]They still pretend you're going to enjoy your later years fly fishing and shit while the pension checks come in.Jul 12 01:31
DaemonFC[m]It's as much of a crock as heaven, almost.Jul 12 01:31
DaemonFC[m]It's how they keep people paying their taxes and working and not taking a machete to the neighbors.Jul 12 01:32
oiaohmhttps://aviationweek.com/defense-space/aircraft-propulsion/us-air-force-launches-three-year-fielding-plan-skyborg-weapons  Return of the Kamikaze aircraftJul 12 01:34
MinceRskyborg? nice.Jul 12 01:44
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: In the Terminator comics, the CPU from the T-850 from Terminator 3 survived the blast.Jul 12 01:46
DaemonFC[m]They put it into a Hunter Killer.Jul 12 01:47
DaemonFC[m]Genisys makes no sense though.Jul 12 01:48
DaemonFC[m]Why would Skynet put a control program for the mimetic polyalloy metal into a T-800's CPU?Jul 12 01:48
MinceRlazinessJul 12 01:49
MinceRthey'd have it lying around and building it into the firmware for the T-800Jul 12 01:50
DaemonFC[m]They've stated various total runtimes for the T-800s before they run out of power.Jul 12 01:51
DaemonFC[m]Usually about 150 years.Jul 12 01:51
DaemonFC[m]So the one in Genisys would still have about 100 years worth of power left.Jul 12 01:52
DaemonFC[m]It was shown that it couldn't make proper repairs to itself though and was beginning to break down mechanically. Jul 12 01:52
DaemonFC[m]Also, the skin ages.Jul 12 01:52
DaemonFC[m]Skynet didn't strike me as putting anything to waste though.Jul 12 01:53
DaemonFC[m]It was sort of odd that they would have a T-800 driving a truck.Jul 12 01:54
DaemonFC[m]Why not just make an autonomous truck?Jul 12 01:54
DaemonFC[m]It seems they have detailed files on how to use just about anything they're likely to come across. That part makes sense.Jul 12 01:55
DaemonFC[m]Liquid metal though just seems odd.Jul 12 01:56
DaemonFC[m]Then they go on to explain that even though it can control the liquid metal, its programming prevents it from appearing as anything other than one of the forms the T-800's skin sheaths come in.Jul 12 01:57
DaemonFC[m]If Skynet put in the control program, why wouldn't there also be the program that allows it to impersonate other people?Jul 12 01:58
DaemonFC[m]Too many plot holes.Jul 12 02:02
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The Snake Terminator parody on Rick & Morty was pretty funny.Jul 12 02:03
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cybrNautthis is a must read.. the information density of this article made my brain explode: https://techinquiry.org/SiliconValley-Military/Jul 12 03:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techinquiry.org | NO TITLEJul 12 03:25
cybrNautCliff's notes: Microsoft is getting the lion's share of evil gov contractsJul 12 03:25
DaemonFC[m]Oh good.Jul 12 03:26
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DaemonFC[m]They'll spend half their time trying to figure out why it's broken and then the other half of their time having their workaround break.Jul 12 03:26
MinceRwhile microshit will take the money and reinvest into eliminating your remaining freedoms.Jul 12 03:27
DaemonFC[m]https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-2004-upgrades-blocked-by-useless-what-needs-your-attention-alerts/Jul 12 03:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Windows 10 2004 upgrades blocked by useless "What needs your attention" alertsJul 12 03:45
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Well 0xBIGBOOBS-soft had the GPS program with Avoid N****rs.Jul 12 03:49
DaemonFC[m]Now they're all about inclusivity. Jul 12 03:49
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-V#Linux_supportJul 12 04:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hyper-V - WikipediaJul 12 04:01
DaemonFC[m]When looking through the Hyper-V code that Microsoft submitted to theJul 12 04:01
DaemonFC[m] Linux kernel, it was found that someone inside Microsoft stored a constant in hexadecimal as "0x__B16B00B5__". In hexspeak, this means "BIG BOOBS". After this was discovered, Microosft apologized for the incident and submitted a patch to change the value.[34]Jul 12 04:01
DaemonFC[m]22:00, July 11, 2020‎ Daemonfc talk contribs‎  45,837 bytes +571‎   →‎Linux support:  0x__B16B00B5__ undo Tag: 2017 wikitext editorJul 12 04:02
DaemonFC[m]Doh, typoJul 12 04:03
MinceR:>Jul 12 04:10
DaemonFC[m]https://www.reddit.com/user/_0xB16B00B5Jul 12 05:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-_0xB16B00B5 (u/_0xB16B00B5) - RedditJul 12 05:10
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schestowitzI knew it. Microsoft employees in Reddit. :-)Jul 12 06:32
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schestowitzbill sez pieces again; media as propaganda outlet of the famous criminalJul 12 06:46
schestowitzx https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/11/21320969/microsoft-bill-gates-vaccine-coronavirus-covidJul 12 06:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Bill Gates says COVID-19 drugs should go where needed, not just ‘the highest bidder’ - The VergeJul 12 06:46
schestowitzx https://www.ibtimes.co.in/coronavirus-vaccine-should-reach-those-who-need-it-not-highest-bidders-bill-gates-824278Jul 12 06:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in | Coronavirus vaccine should reach those who need it, not highest bidders: Bill Gates - IBTimes IndiaJul 12 06:46
schestowitzhttps://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-wears-mask-sadly-this-is-news-1027353/ I don't agree with the "sadly" partJul 12 06:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com | Trump Wore a Mask. Sadly This Is News - Rolling StoneJul 12 06:49
schestowitzbetter if he wears no maskJul 12 06:49
schestowitzif he dies with covid, only rather malicious people will miss himJul 12 06:49
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linus-Torvalds-On-AVX-512Jul 12 06:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linus Torvalds: "I Hope AVX512 Dies A Painful Death" - PhoronixJul 12 06:51
schestowitz /. links a lot to zdCrap these days https://linux.slashdot.org/story/20/07/11/2037250/the-linux-team-approves-new-neutral-terminologyJul 12 06:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | The Linux Team Approves New Neutral Terminology - SlashdotJul 12 06:52
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How to Enable, Disable Keyboard, Mouse and Touch Devices via Terminal http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139775 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2707a021-bc99-4473-b160-2fe55349fbea]Jul 12 06:57
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schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-patent-examination-board-peb.html?showComment=1594388696543#c6849703614324353798Jul 12 07:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The Patent Examination Board (PEB) releases further information on the 2020 UK patent exams - The IPKatJul 12 07:13
schestowitz"Jul 12 07:13
schestowitzI think for all 4 PEB exams - it will be difficult to expect candidates to continously stare at computer screen and typing answers. There really needs to be additional breaks or the exam content needs to be reduced to accommodate for breaks within the allocated time.Jul 12 07:13
schestowitzI understand that screen time is also a problem with the EPO computer pilot scheme and perhaps this is why they haven't fully rolled this across the whole EQE. Jul 12 07:13
schestowitzOnline exams are generally a good thing but I agree that both PEB and EQE exams cannot continue in its current format as we move towards online.Jul 12 07:13
schestowitz"Jul 12 07:13
schestowitzhttps://lwn.net/Articles/438167/Jul 12 07:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LFCS 2011: Jim Zemlin and Angela Brown [LWN.net]Jul 12 07:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ibmdeveloper/status/1096129603528282112Jul 12 07:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IBMDeveloper: IBM CEO Ginni Rometty backstage with Abby Kearns @cloudfoundry, Jim Zemlin @linuxfoundation , Steve O'Grady… https://t.co/tPPxlrMzu6Jul 12 07:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IBMDeveloper: IBM CEO Ginni Rometty backstage with Abby Kearns @cloudfoundry, Jim Zemlin @linuxfoundation , Steve O'Grady… https://t.co/tPPxlrMzu6Jul 12 07:39
schestowitzHe looks like classic slave owners from old films with that long goatie http://www.facesofopensource.com/chris-wright/Jul 12 07:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.facesofopensource.com | Chris Wright - Faces of Open SourceJul 12 07:47
schestowitzhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38012708Jul 12 07:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Microsoft partners with old rival Linux Foundation - BBC NewsJul 12 07:49
schestowitz'riva...'Jul 12 07:49
schestowitzRIVALJul 12 07:49
schestowitzPhoto source: https://lwn.net/Articles/437929/Jul 12 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LFCS: Linux penetration, Yocto, and hardware success stories [LWN.net]Jul 12 07:54
kingoffrancethese things always remind me of tv ads for medicine -- the more they try to appear human and real the less convincing it isJul 12 08:05
kingoffrance"faces of open source"Jul 12 08:05
kingoffrancei dont care what programmers look like, either your code works or it doesntJul 12 08:06
kingoffrancethis used to be the old "diversity" -- the internet noone cares what you look like -- i always point out this was probably always myth, because irc in the old days the first thing youd get asked a/s/l?Jul 12 08:08
kingoffrancenevertheless, that was the old myth IMOJul 12 08:08
schestowitzhttps://www.admin-magazine.com/Archive/2015/30/Interview-with-Cloud-Foundry-CEO-Sam-RamjiJul 12 08:11
kingoffranceand that was old phraker text files on hacker ftpz .. warez d00dz actually got this rightJul 12 08:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.admin-magazine.com | Cloud Foundry's Sam Ramji » ADMIN MagazineJul 12 08:11
schestowitzI am struggling to find...Jul 12 08:11
schestowitzthe article/s where amji said Zemlin had phoned himJul 12 08:11
schestowitzI tried "phoned"Jul 12 08:11
schestowitz"called"Jul 12 08:11
schestowitz"asked"Jul 12 08:11
schestowitzI need to find itJul 12 08:11
kingoffrances/phraker/phreaker/ -e s/hacker/"hacker"/Jul 12 08:12
schestowitzhttps://www.theregister.com/2009/07/20/microsoft_windows_drivers_linux/Jul 12 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Microsoft embraces Linux 'cancer' to sell Windows servers • The RegisterJul 12 08:13
schestowitzmaybe the original article is now goneJul 12 08:13
schestowitzI cannot find it anymoreJul 12 08:13
schestowitz"Remember that Jim Zemlin approached (by his own admission) Microsoft’s Sam Ramji to run CloudFoundry. They’re shameless about this! "Jul 12 08:17
schestowitzBut this is mine, without the linlJul 12 08:17
schestowitzlinkJul 12 08:17
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/04/28/openwashing-vmware-after-gpl-abuses/Jul 12 08:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Has Helped VMware Lie About Its Deliberate GPL Violations That are Connected to Microsoft, Another Prolific GPL Violator | TechrightsJul 12 08:17
schestowitzcrap, I should have saved it somewhereJul 12 08:17
schestowitznow I cannot find the interview where they admit thisJul 12 08:17
schestowitzIt's def not this: https://www.zdnet.com/article/sam-ramiji-takes-lead-at-the-open-source-cloud-foundry-foundation/Jul 12 08:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sam Ramji takes lead at the open-source Cloud Foundry Foundation | ZDNetJul 12 08:19
schestowitzhttps://tanzu.vmware.com/content/blog/pivotal-conversations-sam-ramji-ceo-of-the-cloud-foundry-foundationJul 12 08:21
schestowitz"The lesson we can take from Linux, and we take a lot of lessons from Linux because Cloud Foundry Foundation is actually part of the Linux Foundation and Jim Zemlin has a ton of experience, ans has got some great strategic models for us to borrow from. Linux had a certain approach, which Cloud Foundry is what’s called open core."Jul 12 08:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tanzu.vmware.com | Pivotal Conversations—Sam Ramji, CEO of the Cloud Foundry FoundationJul 12 08:21
schestowitzRevisionism in action: https://www.osnews.com/story/21892/microsoft-gpl-contribution-not-brought-on-by-gpl-violation/Jul 12 08:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft: GPL Contribution Not Brought on by GPL Violation – OSnewsJul 12 08:21
schestowitzhttps://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/28/0045229/sflc-says-microsoft-violated-the-gplJul 12 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.slashdot.org | SFLC Says Microsoft Violated the GPL - SlashdotJul 12 08:22
kingoffrancei dunno what a greylist is.  blacklist: thing must not match to pass.  whitelist: only things matching may pass.         they both can be used (thing must be on whitelist and not on blacklist too, to pass), but i still dont know what a greylist isJul 12 08:23
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/torvalds-inclusive.jpgJul 12 08:41
schestowitzkingoffrance: grey lives matterJul 12 08:41
schestowitzpink floyd life matters tooJul 12 08:41
schestowitzI mentioned redlistJul 12 08:42
schestowitzsome people suggested thatJul 12 08:42
schestowitzbut some people in the US are called "red"Jul 12 08:42
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/06/20/language-sanitation-wave/Jul 12 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Humour/Meme] Are Traffic Lights Offensive to So-called ‘Redskins’? | TechrightsJul 12 08:42
schestowitzeventually I found an article close enoug http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/ramji-story.jpgJul 12 08:43
schestowitzBUT I wasted AGES, in vain, trying to find the interviews I had read and had in mindJul 12 08:43
schestowitzI think it was Ramji speaking about how Zemlin phoned himJul 12 08:44
schestowitzrather than Zemlin speaking about how he phoned RamjiJul 12 08:44
schestowitzand he enthusiastically agreed to join LFJul 12 08:44
schestowitzANYHOW...Jul 12 08:44
schestowitzThey would not challenge Techrights on this because they know it is correct and accurate... I remember what I read from the horse's own mouthJul 12 08:45
schestowitzI just wanted to screenshot it to avoid them doing some artistic revisionism years down the lineJul 12 08:45
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oiaohmkingoffrance: a grey list historically is used for something that its not sure if it approved or not approve so need user or more advanced logic.    A grey list might be a list that causes X incoming to be virus scanned or equal.Jul 12 12:31
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AVRShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx2v0Y9Ci7IJul 12 13:37
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AVRShttps://invidio.us/watch?v=tx2v0Y9Ci7IJul 12 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidio.us | Politically Correct Tech - InvidiousJul 12 13:37
AVRS(Mental Outlaw, a GNU/Linux vlogger)Jul 12 13:38
kingoffranceok, makes senseJul 12 13:46
kingoffrancei kinda thought, but couldnt think of a scenario;  anti virus makes senseJul 12 13:46
kingoffrancelike a quick "first scan" to see if further work needs doneJul 12 13:46
kingoffrances/thought/& similarly to that/Jul 12 13:47
schestowitzniceJul 12 13:47
schestowitzAVRS: watching it nowJul 12 13:48
XRevan86AVRS: He missed "grandfathered", I guess he also didn't know what the heck that is %).Jul 12 13:51
XRevan86AVRS: Can't tell if he has a beef with Jews or if he just doesn't consider them "White".Jul 12 13:55
schestowitzdoesn't matter muchJul 12 14:02
schestowitzThe "whites" don't regard "Jews" as "white"Jul 12 14:02
schestowitzthe white 'pride' crowdJul 12 14:02
schestowitzAVRS: I added that as a post in techrightsJul 12 14:04
schestowitznow let's wait and see if someone can somehow hold me accountable for things he saysJul 12 14:04
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kingoffranceyes, ive told ppl, not regarding "jews", but similarly    "you know, iran literally means aryan" but ppl think middle east == cant be white, no sir, sand n*****Jul 12 14:07
kingoffrancewhite supremacists dont seem to research in my experienceJul 12 14:07
schestowitzor reject the contraryJul 12 14:09
schestowitzBTW, racism is discussed here at this momentJul 12 14:09
schestowitzand we say, well... racism is when you clissify people by raceJul 12 14:09
schestowitznot who are youJul 12 14:09
schestowitzbut what are youJul 12 14:09
schestowitzis this an X in this building now?Jul 12 14:10
schestowitznot is X (person) in this buildingJul 12 14:10
CrystalMathschestowitz: well then, no wonder i hate that kind of thinkingJul 12 14:10
schestowitzthey don't even judge the personJul 12 14:10
schestowitzthey just 'categories'Jul 12 14:10
schestowitz like tribesJul 12 14:10
schestowitz*just classify by 'categories'Jul 12 14:11
schestowitzlike the people who watch a basketball  and talk about "the black guy"Jul 12 14:11
schestowitzas if he has no nameJul 12 14:11
schestowitz*basketball gameJul 12 14:12
MinceRhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/fishJul 12 14:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - FishJul 12 14:23
kingoffranceyes, i think is basically satanic == materialist.   it is basically saying people have no soul or spiritJul 12 14:32
kingoffrancenot that all materialism is such, just that that is a pure form it seemsJul 12 14:32
kingoffrancelike that is all that mattersJul 12 14:32
kingoffranceand again, any magician or alchemist who talked like that, youd say they were an idiotJul 12 14:33
kingoffranceno mind either of courseJul 12 14:34
kingoffrancei dunno, i consider racism to be idiotic more than anythingJul 12 14:36
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kingoffranceits also, if you believe in the concept of a devil:  really? he cant shapeshift? hes just gonna wear the same exact disguise every day? thats idiotic.Jul 12 14:46
kingoffrance2nd most powerful being or whatever -- hes just gonna appear the same every time so you can spot him easy?Jul 12 14:47
MinceRif he's so powerful, what need does he have to hide who he is?Jul 12 14:47
MinceRalso, where's the evidence for the existence of soul or spirit?Jul 12 14:48
kingoffrancealcohol is called spirits, thats good enough for meJul 12 14:49
MinceRlolJul 12 14:49
kingoffrancewell what concept would you use to distinguish person a from person b?Jul 12 14:52
MinceRpersonality, appearance, chemical structure, positionJul 12 14:53
MinceRknowledgeJul 12 14:53
MinceRand how would you distinguish the soul or spirit of one person from that of another, if you can't even be sure it exists?Jul 12 14:54
MinceRhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/flatJul 12 14:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - FlatJul 12 14:55
kingoffrancewhat i was getting at is racism seems to me like "ppl have no free will/decision making capabilities"Jul 12 14:57
kingoffranceso, if that is case, how can you judge them?Jul 12 14:57
MinceRi don't see what this has to do with soul/spiritJul 12 14:58
MinceRalso, if there's no free will, then most humans are doomed to be the evil people they areJul 12 14:58
MinceRand so it should not be surprising that they choose to harm other humans on the basis of raceJul 12 14:58
kingoffrancewell just call it willpower thenJul 12 15:00
kingoffrancethe thing that lets them choose based on free willJul 12 15:00
kingoffranceor, in d&d it is maybe charisma or some suchJul 12 15:01
kingoffrances/d&d/nethack/Jul 12 15:01
MinceR:)Jul 12 15:01
kingoffrancewell constitution tooJul 12 15:01
MinceRconstitution is purely physical, not mentalJul 12 15:02
MinceR(cat) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcrIYDXX0AEzVA-?format=jpg&name=origJul 12 15:02
kingoffrancewell what would you call mental constitution then?Jul 12 15:03
kingoffrancedexterity i think as wellJul 12 15:03
kingoffrancein fact, ive even seen that a synonym for "magi"Jul 12 15:03
MinceRWisdom, as it's the basis of Will saving throws :)Jul 12 15:04
MinceRs/ll/llpower/Jul 12 15:06
kingoffrancesomeone in electronics asked a q, and another person replied sarcastically "sure, just run the xyz wizard it will do it all automatically"Jul 12 15:14
kingoffrancei noted that apparently wizards are not a protected class, they are objectifiedJul 12 15:14
kingoffrancejuts a pile of codeJul 12 15:15
kingoffranceno justice, no peaceJul 12 15:15
kingoffrancein the midst of all this master/slave nonsense -- did anynoe think about the poor wizards?Jul 12 15:15
MinceR(cat) https://ircz.de/p/20021871Jul 12 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4368048)Jul 12 15:20
AVRSkingoffrance: inspectors, tooJul 12 15:26
AVRSgarbage collectors (though they actually do something actively)Jul 12 15:27
AVRSand programmers (A device that installs or controls a software program in some other machine.)Jul 12 15:28
AVRSNot really comparable to "wizards" though.Jul 12 15:28
DaemonFC[m]I think it's funny that AVX 512 has basically no real world use cases and that Intel is wasting resources on it anyway.Jul 12 15:33
DaemonFC[m]It takes the CPU so long to recover from using it that there's basically no point even trying to use it on most real workloads.Jul 12 15:34
MinceRdoesn't matter, it's on the brochureJul 12 15:37
DaemonFC[m]The CPU market is usually a who's on first base thing, byt it turns out that basically more than the last decade of Intel was fake and exposed horrible security problems, and that the workarounds make them slower than if they had just been designed well in the first place.Jul 12 15:37
DaemonFC[m]Now instead of fixing their CPUs, they add this bullshit that doesn't even matter. That nobody will even attempt to use because it's only on some of their lineup anyway.Jul 12 15:38
MinceRbrought to you by the government-enforced x86 oligopolyJul 12 15:38
DaemonFC[m]So you can't really ever do a generic compile even 10 years from now and say you need at least this generation of cpu.Jul 12 15:39
AVRSI wonder why most sites with recipes load images using scripts :(Jul 12 15:39
DaemonFC[m]You read my mind.Jul 12 15:39
DaemonFC[m]Food dot com does that.Jul 12 15:39
DaemonFC[m]I was making greens the other night and needed to load at least tld scripts to see the pictures.Jul 12 15:40
DaemonFC[m]NoScript is good in that you can usually just enable the tld and maybe a CDN and keep others from running.Jul 12 15:40
DaemonFC[m]That's at least most of your problem solved right there.Jul 12 15:41
MinceRunfortunately NoScript will enable them for all sitesJul 12 15:41
DaemonFC[m]Phoronix is running them from all over, including Facebook and Microsoft.Jul 12 15:41
MinceRuMatrix can enable them only for the current siteJul 12 15:41
AVRSI collect recipes into Anki for incremental reading and prioritization/search/ordering, but just importing by URL is almost always half-useless.Jul 12 15:42
AVRSWell, 1/5 useless (minus a a quick preview).Jul 12 15:42
scienteshttps://ircz.de/p/12102512Jul 12 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (21013)Jul 12 15:43
AVRSI don't recall which sites do not do it.Jul 12 15:43
DaemonFC[m]NoScript doesn't seem to be what it was before WebExtensions.Jul 12 15:55
DaemonFC[m]Of course, he also attacked Adblock Plus and got Mozilla to issue new decrees for what an extension was allowed to do.Jul 12 15:56
MinceRwho's "he"?Jul 12 15:56
DaemonFC[m]Giorgio MaoneJul 12 15:57
AVRSCool, Wikibooks has thousands of recipes: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cookbook:Table_of_ContentsJul 12 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikibooks.org | Cookbook:Table of Contents - Wikibooks, open books for an open worldJul 12 15:58
DaemonFC[m]Eyeo has been quietly buying all the other ad blockers.Jul 12 16:00
DaemonFC[m]They have their own scummy/scammy shit going on now with "Acceptable Ads".Jul 12 16:01
DaemonFC[m]Their whole defense is that sites need to make money and oh here we have a committee (of advertisers) making these regulations that we use.Jul 12 16:02
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MinceR(no audio) https://i.imgur.com/BC7IiHA.mp4Jul 12 16:31
DaemonFC[m]+15,300 in FloridaJul 12 16:37
DaemonFC[m]Meanwhile, Gilead Commander Pence went down there to congratulate them on their handling of the virus.Jul 12 16:37
*DaemonFC[m] goes to change the definition of surrealism.Jul 12 16:37
DaemonFC[m]---Jul 12 16:46
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/XHjDmrITpteXQXiLmMsAnsbZ >Jul 12 16:47
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/678998.jpgJul 12 16:47
DaemonFC[m]I wrote that on the GNULinuxLovers Matrix room.Jul 12 16:47
DaemonFC[m]Also, "Hey, Apple's doing it (which is why JWZ can't rip a DVD on his Mac.) so why not?".Jul 12 16:52
DaemonFC[m]Seriously, one of the people who built the Netscape web browser can't figure out how to use Handbrake on a Mac because Apple has done read-only / by default and messed up Handbrake so badly that it doesn't even work anymore. Somehow this beats Linux.....Jul 12 16:55
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DaemonFC[m]Windows and Mac are hideously badly designed, and the reason they need to wall off most of the system from the Administer users and stomp config files assuming there has been file corruption or a virus attack is because they either can't or won't fix their products correctly, and the safe assumption is that if something gets changed, something bad happened. Unfortunately, people like them are in charge of GNU andJul 12 17:01
DaemonFC[m]Linux these days and things are spiraling out of control and in that direction.Jul 12 17:01
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MinceRyupJul 12 17:03
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DaemonFC[m]Something happened in the US back in the 1980s. That's when a bunch of import car companies from Japan got really big here. It wasn't that people here were fascinated by the Japanese, it's just that they saw Hondas and Toyotas and made a practical decision to buy them because "Here's something that's not breaking down all the time.". For decades, the Big Three car companies in Detroit and their organized crime laborJul 12 17:04
DaemonFC[m]unions got away with murder because there was no competition. So there was pent up demand for cars that actually worked.Jul 12 17:04
DaemonFC[m]I'd liken that to what started to happen with Linux when Windows Vista hit the shelves, and then continued as 8 and 10 came out. Unfortunately, Linux didn't change the people that came to it to get cover from all of the bad design of the Windows and Mac systems. They changed Linux to be less desirable and to start exploding all the time by making it more like Mac and Windows.Jul 12 17:05
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MinceRi thought there used to be uhmerican cars that didn't break down all the timeJul 12 17:06
DaemonFC[m]LOLJul 12 17:09
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: No, but they've gotten worse than they were when the Japanese arrived.Jul 12 17:10
DaemonFC[m]They're zombie corporations that the government and the central bank won't allow to fail.Jul 12 17:10
DaemonFC[m]They've quietly sucked up about $1 trillion in junk Ford debt that nobody wanted.Jul 12 17:11
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Your mistake is thinking that they're building $50,000+ Chevys for people to buy and own.Jul 12 17:11
DaemonFC[m]They're building them because the companies are constantly getting bailed out by taxpayers every time they make something worse and more expensive than last year.Jul 12 17:12
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The new fuel economy standards _are_ actually the cause of some of it.Jul 12 17:13
DaemonFC[m]For years they just built cars that guzzled gas but they had lots of experience making them.Jul 12 17:13
MinceRyeah, that's what i heardJul 12 17:13
DaemonFC[m]Now they're dealing with stuff that the imports have used for years and that's why Honda had 30 mpg cars in the 90s.Jul 12 17:13
DaemonFC[m]Only it's all new to GM and they've cloned the Japanese stuff and got some things very wrong.Jul 12 17:14
DaemonFC[m]Many new GM cars and trucks don't even make it to 50,000 miles without a major overhaul now.Jul 12 17:14
DaemonFC[m]They've solved the problem by cutting the warranty period.Jul 12 17:14
DaemonFC[m]It used to be standard that if you bought a new Chevy you got a 100,000 mile or 5 year warranty, whichever came first.Jul 12 17:15
DaemonFC[m]Now it's 3 years or 50,000 miles.Jul 12 17:15
DaemonFC[m]They don't make these things to last.Jul 12 17:15
DaemonFC[m]You're buying a $50,000 car with a 7 year loan that was only built to last 3 years.Jul 12 17:16
DaemonFC[m]Their goal is to trap you in an underwater car loan where everything's going wrong and you didn't pay extra for the extended warranty, so you're back begging them to take it from you for pennies so that they can "recertify it" and sell it to someone else.Jul 12 17:17
DaemonFC[m]MinceR An underwater loan is not a bug, it's a feature.Jul 12 17:18
MinceRlolJul 12 17:20
MinceRwhat's an underwater loan?Jul 12 17:20
DaemonFC[m]Where you owe significantly more money on the loan than what the underlying asset is worth on the open market.Jul 12 17:27
DaemonFC[m]Like, if you owe $15,000 on a car, but you could only sell it for $8,500.Jul 12 17:28
DaemonFC[m]Or you have $50,000 remaining on the mortgage, but your house would only get $30,000 because the furnace is about to crap out and it needs a completely new roof. Jul 12 17:28
MinceR:>Jul 12 17:29
DaemonFC[m]Some people just get a loan on a house without having it inspected because inspections are maybe a grand or two.Jul 12 17:29
DaemonFC[m]Then they end up in a house that had a dozen serious problems and they need to find $25,000 to fix it, but they can't because of the loan, so the house just falls apart around them.Jul 12 17:30
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: So there's companies that offer "home warranties". That's where you pay and pay and then they send you forms to fill out when something breaks.Jul 12 17:30
DaemonFC[m]Lots of forms.Jul 12 17:31
DaemonFC[m]Forms that mysteriously get denied.Jul 12 17:31
MinceRsounds funJul 12 17:31
DaemonFC[m]After you've paid the warranty people thousands of dollars.Jul 12 17:31
scientesMinceR, the US governmentJul 12 17:31
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Yeah, John bought himself one of those fake warranties on the Kia.Jul 12 17:32
DaemonFC[m]The dealer is there just packing a ton of bullshit into the loan because they want you to focus on what the payment is, not how long you will be paying it.Jul 12 17:32
DaemonFC[m]So the trick that car salesmen use is to come up and ask if you have a monthly price in mind.Jul 12 17:33
DaemonFC[m]Somehow it ends up close to the price you told the salesman usually.Jul 12 17:33
DaemonFC[m]If it would be lower, he'll pack in a warranty at 10 times what they paid for it wholesale.Jul 12 17:33
DaemonFC[m]If it'll be higher, he'll figure out how to make the loan go on for 7 years instead of 5.Jul 12 17:33
DaemonFC[m]So the mistake is focusing on the monthly payment. That's why they want you to do that.Jul 12 17:34
DaemonFC[m]The longer that loan goes on, the more likely you are to get your car hauled off and sued at some point over not being able to pay.Jul 12 17:34
DaemonFC[m]The long term risk of losing your job over 7 years is much higher than it would be over 4.5 or 5.Jul 12 17:35
DaemonFC[m]So you're taking on a lot of extra risk and the salesman doesn't care because they get all their money from the finance company the day they sell it and then it's off their books.Jul 12 17:35
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DaemonFC[m]Mandy doesn't get how vicious and evil things are in this country.Jul 12 17:36
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/678792.jpgJul 12 17:36
DaemonFC[m]He's from a much, much less sophisticated place. In the Philippines, it's kids robbing tourists of $50 with a broken soda pop bottle.Jul 12 17:36
DaemonFC[m]Here it's banks and the state.Jul 12 17:36
DaemonFC[m]It's thousands of dollars.Jul 12 17:36
DaemonFC[m]Then you'll probably get mugged by street thugs too, but the police won't care, and it's racist to blame a race even though it mostly happens in the neighborhoods where there's a lot of them, of near the places the public transit takes them.Jul 12 17:37
DaemonFC[m]*or nearJul 12 17:37
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: There's a reason why rich neighborhoods in many cities don't have bus stops or sidewalks near them.Jul 12 17:38
DaemonFC[m]If you remove the bus stops and sidewalks, the "people with no car" who want to rob you have a  much harder time getting to you.Jul 12 17:39
DaemonFC[m]So yes, it's openly racist sure.Jul 12 17:39
Narratoryes, the publi space need do be removed because someone else can use it , the strangers ...Jul 12 17:39
DaemonFC[m]You take away their opportunities, you pack them all into their own neighborhoods where there are no jobs, you shut down their schools, and then you wall yourself off into your own neighborhood put up a fence, don't make it easy for them to come to you....Jul 12 17:40
DaemonFC[m]Then you tell other people how racist they are.Jul 12 17:40
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: That's basically where people like Matthew Garrett are. Do you think he'll ever live in the south side of Chicago?Jul 12 17:41
MinceRand then you'll go everywhere by car and be obeseJul 12 17:41
DaemonFC[m]Or do you think he's just some over educated idiot who will never ever see any of this while he's explaining to other people how terrible they are because of something other privileged people told him?Jul 12 17:41
DaemonFC[m]He's white guilt.Jul 12 17:42
DaemonFC[m]A lot of these people are white guilt.Jul 12 17:42
DaemonFC[m]Richard Stallman is white guilt.Jul 12 17:42
DaemonFC[m]They pile into cities like Chicago and make sure they're in the "right neighborhoods".Jul 12 17:43
DaemonFC[m]Then this "progressive city" becomes more segregated than the south under Jim Crow somehow.Jul 12 17:43
DaemonFC[m]Imagine that.Jul 12 17:43
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oai4khp7h9wJul 12 17:45
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DaemonFC[m]I don't know how "Keep my files and reinstall Windows" doesn't even work to fix errors that crop up.Jul 12 17:46
DaemonFC[m]That's like "It's easier to nuke this and start over." but somehow it has the same problem as before, always.Jul 12 17:46
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DaemonFC[m]I've seen so many systems that don't actually get updates because the Windows Update program is broken.Jul 12 17:47
DaemonFC[m]You'd think that replacing all of the files and OS settings would fix it, right?Jul 12 17:47
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XRevan86MinceR: So?Jul 12 17:49
DaemonFC[m]People are walking by outside coughing and wheezing.Jul 12 17:51
DaemonFC[m]I'm glad I put new weather stripping in the door gaps.Jul 12 17:52
DaemonFC[m]They just get it and whatever happens happens.Jul 12 17:52
DaemonFC[m]schestowitzpretty much nailed it when he said minorities would eventually just be labeled plague spreaders. Jul 12 17:53
DaemonFC[m]Then again, many of them don't seem to take it seriously.Jul 12 17:54
MinceRXRevan86: what came to my mind when i saw "Jim Crow"Jul 12 17:54
DaemonFC[m]They're not wearing masks. Their kids are just running around the garbage bins.Jul 12 17:54
XRevan86MinceR: ahJul 12 17:54
DaemonFC[m]They're smoking cigarettes....Jul 12 17:54
DaemonFC[m]Which is never a great idea, but is an especially stupid idea right now.Jul 12 17:55
DaemonFC[m]Google just keeps "giving" more and more "free" Drive space.Jul 12 17:56
DaemonFC[m]Nobody ever does stop and ask why they get provisioned so much "free" space and why extra space is very cheap.Jul 12 17:56
DaemonFC[m]The funny part about Apple iCloud is that you only get like 5 GB, and if you pay 99 cents a month for the 100 GB account, you get 100 GB. As in, Google would give you 100 GB plus the free space you already had (in my case, 20 GB, so 120 total), while Apple basically takes away the 5 GB you already had and only gives you 100.Jul 12 17:58
MinceR(cat) https://ircz.de/p/20021654Jul 12 17:59
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schestowitzMinceR: Mister CrowJul 12 18:03
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNFVI12RJfIJul 12 18:03
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schestowitzMr. ChuJul 12 18:03
DaemonFC[m]Interesting that a Bittorrent site has pirate rips of Christian movies.Jul 12 18:05
DaemonFC[m]Seems a little wrong to violate a commandment to steal one of these shameless intellectually lazy cash grabs, doesn't it?Jul 12 18:06
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MinceRit would be, if it was stealingJul 12 18:07
MinceRbut it isn'tJul 12 18:07
DaemonFC[m]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracles_from_Heaven_(film)Jul 12 18:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Miracles from Heaven (film) - WikipediaJul 12 18:07
DaemonFC[m]Columbia Pictures!Jul 12 18:07
DaemonFC[m]I wonder what Dave Manning thought of it.Jul 12 18:07
DaemonFC[m]:)Jul 12 18:07
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I once told a psychiatrists "You say manipulation as-if it's not going on all around us, much of it from advertisers who paid a psychiatrist to d oit.".Jul 12 18:09
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DaemonFC[m]Realizing what this problem really is is like taking the red pill. You know?Jul 12 18:10
DaemonFC[m]Realizing that the world is full of shit and actually does operate much like "the matrix".Jul 12 18:11
DaemonFC[m]A system of control, with backup methods for "gaining compliance".Jul 12 18:11
DaemonFC[m]They'll use whatever works to pacify people.Jul 12 18:12
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DaemonFC[m]If that's telling you that Jesus will take you to heaven, works for them.Jul 12 18:12
DaemonFC[m]If it's telling you that you need to max out your credit card to go to Starbucks and have 100 pairs of shoes you don't wear, hooray! Only Communists hate the economy.Jul 12 18:12
DaemonFC[m]Frugality didn't kill the economy for our grandparents because they weren't stupid and lazy enough to let the politicians give all of their jobs to people overseas.Jul 12 18:14
DaemonFC[m]So it didn't spark a mass unemployment crisis when people put a patch on a pair of jeans or decided that instead of taking out a loan at 20%, they'd save up and buy something.Jul 12 18:15
DaemonFC[m]Walmart got rid of layaway in the mid 2000s.Jul 12 18:15
DaemonFC[m]Layaway used to be what people did instead of making credit card payments.Jul 12 18:15
DaemonFC[m]You'd say "Hey, I want a new stereo but I don't have the money and I'm definitely not dumb enough to steal from the future at 24% interest on a store card.".Jul 12 18:16
DaemonFC[m]You know, there's an algorithm for everything.Jul 12 18:16
DaemonFC[m]Banks aren't entirely stupid. It's hard for older people to take out lines of credit because the bank knows that some people who are in fragile health might not be bothered by dying and leaving their "estate" seriously in debt. Jul 12 18:17
DaemonFC[m]The government doesn't "die" usually so it's easier for them to steal from people who haven't even been born yet.Jul 12 18:17
DaemonFC[m]That way they can pay state workers union wages to make your life more terrible today.Jul 12 18:18
DaemonFC[m]It's definitely a twofer.Jul 12 18:18
DaemonFC[m]Illinois outsourced their Medicaid redeterminations to some company. Jul 12 18:19
DaemonFC[m]It just seems to be some computer that decides whether you get health insurance or not for the next 12 months and then it bothers you again.Jul 12 18:19
DaemonFC[m]It probably is cheaper for the state to have a few people slip the cracks than it is to hire humans at union wages to sort this mess out. Jul 12 18:20
DaemonFC[m]The savings from not paying people to push papers around all day would make up a lot of the added costs of just giving everyone health coverage. Jul 12 18:21
DaemonFC[m]It's so sickening to see people who honestly shouldn't even be where they're at bragging about it all the time.Jul 12 18:22
DaemonFC[m]Like, my sister in law. She's a "nurse", but what they actually turned her into is a politician that pushes papers around and they pay her six figures for actually delivering no health care to patients at a cancer hospital.Jul 12 18:22
DaemonFC[m]It's pretty disgusting, but just a tiny piece of a much bigger problem.Jul 12 18:23
DaemonFC[m]It's just a fine continuation of shit rolling downhill.Jul 12 18:24
DaemonFC[m]The actual nurses, the ones who are exposed to COVID-19 and deliver health care......are paid much less.Jul 12 18:25
DaemonFC[m]Therefore, they are much less important than someone who is dead weight and pushing papers around.Jul 12 18:25
DaemonFC[m]In turn, they shop at Walmart and yell at someone who is being paid $11 an hour to be exposed to COVID-19 for asking them to wear a mask.Jul 12 18:26
DaemonFC[m]Who is, in turn, "less important" than they are.Jul 12 18:26
DaemonFC[m]In any society, you also get the malcontents and those are the people who realize what's actually going on and could cause a problem for you.Jul 12 18:27
DaemonFC[m]So you want to shut them up cheaply.Jul 12 18:27
DaemonFC[m]In most cases, killing them would be seen as barbaric and disturb the others, and therefore runs counter to what you need done..Jul 12 18:28
DaemonFC[m]So you call them "crazy" and maybe even "criminal" so that nobody listens.Jul 12 18:29
DaemonFC[m]Then you either sentence them to a work camp or put them on some sort of program where they'll shut up and get out of your way so you don't have to pay 10 times more imprisoning them.Jul 12 18:29
DaemonFC[m]In the US, you do that with the white ones. The black ones definitely become homeless or go to prison forever for something.Jul 12 18:30
DaemonFC[m]Black people are usually, at most, 10-14% of a state population, but 80-90% of the state's felony convicts.Jul 12 18:30
DaemonFC[m]See how that works?Jul 12 18:31
DaemonFC[m]If you change the terminology in the Linux kernel, this problem goes away immediately.Jul 12 18:31
DaemonFC[m]If you're white, the state left its options open for what to call the exact same behavior.Jul 12 18:31
DaemonFC[m]So it can almost always be a misdemeano.Jul 12 18:31
DaemonFC[m]*misdemeanorJul 12 18:32
DaemonFC[m]Or even better, a "misunderstanding caused by a disease that needs treatment".Jul 12 18:32
DaemonFC[m]Or, you know, you didn't mean to get on Twitter and call black people apes at the zoo. You took a sleeping pill and don't remember any of that. That works sometimes, but it might be the end of your career. It depends. It didn't work so well for Roseanne Barr because she's in Hollywood where they all pretend to not be racists and they hated her anyway.Jul 12 18:34
DaemonFC[m]It was an opportunity to get rid of her, which was "a long time coming". Jul 12 18:34
DaemonFC[m]Same kind of thing with RMS. Once they wanted rid of him, they "found" something that he had been pretty open about for decades.Jul 12 18:35
DaemonFC[m]Nothing good has ever come from being on Twitter or Facebook. Ever.Jul 12 18:36
DaemonFC[m]At best, it's your kooky mother sharing recipes for Macaroni and Cheese and her friends from the church saying shoot all the blacks. Along with a wall of ads.Jul 12 18:36
DaemonFC[m]They loaded themselves up for bear even though the closest black people are basically 300 miles away and that was right before they all came down with COVID-19.Jul 12 18:37
DaemonFC[m]Last week, it was punishment from God for horrible people, but that was last week. Once it finishes turning them inside out for a month, the survivors will come back to church and change their minds.Jul 12 18:39
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DaemonFC[m]Are we allowed to say Monkey Patch or do we have to apply the Inclusiveness Guidelines now?Jul 12 18:47
MinceR:>Jul 12 18:49
DaemonFC[m]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_patchJul 12 18:51
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: 12:58, July 12, 2020‎ Daemonfc talk contribs‎  5,883 bytes +412‎   →‎Pitfalls:  Evil Monkey (patch) undo Tag: 2017 wikitext editorJul 12 18:59
DaemonFC[m]"Monkey patches can be written with malicious code in order to attack the main program, or each other. As an example, in 2009, Giorgio Maone, developer of NoScript attacked the Adblock Plus extension for Firefox, adding exceptions so that advertisements on his own websites would work. The offending code also made sure that if the user attempted to remove the exceptions, they would be added again."Jul 12 18:59
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DaemonFC[m]"Despite the name's suggestion, the "monkey patch" is sometimes the official method of extending a program. For example, web browsers such as Firefox and Internet Explorer used to encourage this, although modern browsers (including Firefox) now have an official Extensions system."Jul 12 19:07
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/678737.pngJul 12 19:19
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scienteshttps://ircz.de/p/11020751Jul 12 19:24
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scientesBest. Bayonette. Ever.Jul 12 19:25
MinceRnice, but looks shoppedJul 12 19:25
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schestowitzDOOM God ModeJul 12 19:40
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/678704.jpgJul 12 19:40
scientesMinceR, https://gizmodo.com/a-chainsaw-bayonet-strapped-to-an-ar-15-rifle-is-the-ul-5100331Jul 12 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | A Chainsaw Bayonet Strapped to an AR-15 Rifle is the Ultimate Zombie Killing WeaponJul 12 19:41
scientesthere is a YouTube video of it in actionJul 12 19:41
MinceRyeah, but that looks nothing like the earlier pictureJul 12 19:42
DaemonFC[m]<scientes "MinceR, https://gizmodo.com/a-ch"> Someone's been playing Gears of War again.Jul 12 20:02
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DaemonFC[m]BACK IN YOUR HOLE!!!Jul 12 20:02
DaemonFC[m]You can really punk people by getting rid of the advertising effect.Jul 12 20:05
DaemonFC[m]You give people two cups of coffee. One is Great Value from Walmart. The other is Starbucks which costs the same for 22% of the amount of product.Jul 12 20:06
DaemonFC[m]They guess randomly which is better if they don't know which is which.Jul 12 20:06
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I tried neither, so what is the expected result? :)Jul 12 20:08
DaemonFC[m]If they know which is which, they'll say Starbucks because they've been conditioned by advertising that Starbucks is better.Jul 12 20:08
DaemonFC[m]Like most advertising, it spends your money to convince you it's better and worth paying more money for.Jul 12 20:09
DaemonFC[m]Usually what you get is a product that isn't worse but costs a lot more.Jul 12 20:09
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: So what you're saying is that both brands of coffee are more or less equally bad/good?Jul 12 20:10
schestowitzBayonets are obsolete with today's rifles, which shoot long rounds Jul 12 20:10
DaemonFC[m]Yeah. That's about my experience too.Jul 12 20:10
schestowitzthey were good when you could do just one bullet at the time and needed to respond to surgesJul 12 20:11
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I say good chap, Cheerio! Just give me 8 minutes and I can shoot you! Please stand there until I shall be ready.Jul 12 20:11
*DaemonFC[m] takes the glove off. slap slapJul 12 20:12
DaemonFC[m]This is Disorderly Conduct the country. Jul 12 20:13
DaemonFC[m]I really take offense to being labeled as a disturber of the peace in America, and in Illinois especially. Jul 12 20:13
DaemonFC[m]Yep yep. There's a lot of peace going on in Illinois to disturb, I said.Jul 12 20:14
DaemonFC[m]I'm going to disturb the fucking shit out of all of the peace that's going on in Chicago.Jul 12 20:15
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DaemonFC[m]There is a giant put on going on here with COVID-19. It's Trump's insistence that a virus that will ultimately kill half a million Americans over the first 12 months is a media circus.Jul 12 20:31
DaemonFC[m]Because he has an election to win. Which will be so much easier after COVID-19 finishes tearing Florida and Arizona a new asshole.Jul 12 20:32
DaemonFC[m]https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/07/no-the-who-has-not-reversed-its-stance-on-airborne-transmission/Jul 12 20:33
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DaemonFC[m]The WHO is completely fucking useless too.Jul 12 20:33
DaemonFC[m]They've had 8 months now to study the virus and they still can't say whether it lingers in the air or not.Jul 12 20:34
DaemonFC[m]We should be very glad that this virus isn't worse than it already is. Jul 12 20:34
DaemonFC[m]I agree with pulling out of the WHO. It's a useless fucking waste of money and a Chinese puppet.Jul 12 20:34
DaemonFC[m]Everyone should pull out of it and let the Chinese Communist Party write their own propaganda. At least when its directly published into Xinhua everyone will know what it is.Jul 12 20:35
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DaemonFC[m]https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/07/florida-men-charged-with-selling-bleach-as-covid-19-cure-threatening-a-waco/Jul 12 20:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Florida men charged with selling bleach as COVID-19 cure, threatening “a Waco” | Ars TechnicaJul 12 20:39
DaemonFC[m]LMAOJul 12 20:39
schestowitzmeh. arse technically pedophileJul 12 20:39
DaemonFC[m]The Church of Bleach? :)Jul 12 20:39
schestowitzMiami BleachJul 12 20:40
DaemonFC[m]The stuff that stings your eyes at the swimming pool and that makes water taste disgusting at 1 ppm?Jul 12 20:40
DaemonFC[m]Oh, that's a good one. I'm stealing that.Jul 12 20:40
schestowitz+42,200Jul 12 20:41
schestowitzTX not reporting yetJul 12 20:41
schestowitzit can be another 10kJul 12 20:41
schestowitzyesterday it was 8.3kJul 12 20:41
DaemonFC[m]"A 2016 investigation by ABC News reported that Humble—a former Nevada gold prospector who has claimed to have arrived on Earth from another galaxy—had fled the US and wasliving in a small town outside Guadalajara, Mexico, out of reach of US law"Jul 12 20:43
MinceRhttps://medium.com/@indica/the-plague-states-of-america-53b20678a80eJul 12 20:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-American Passports Are Worthless Now (Map) | by Indi Samarajiva | Jul, 2020 | MediumJul 12 20:44
DaemonFC[m]Oh US law has quite a bit of reach.Jul 12 20:44
DaemonFC[m]If we can't get you on something, you raped a woman in Sweden.Jul 12 20:44
DaemonFC[m]Curiously, the UK, which lets people go without eating for so long that the worker in charge of denying their case offers them her lunch, puts cops outside the Ecuadorian embassy 24 hours a day for years in case you come out.Jul 12 20:46
DaemonFC[m]B-)Jul 12 20:46
schestowitzI was talking about this earlier todayJul 12 20:46
schestowitznamely the Assange caseJul 12 20:46
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "https://medium.com/@indica/the-p"> I wonder if that means that the Russian birth tourism at Trump hotels is off....Jul 12 20:47
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schestowitzwhere you manipulate public opinionJul 12 20:47
schestowitzmany people think he did something wrongJul 12 20:47
schestowitzelected trump, raped, cracked systemsJul 12 20:47
schestowitzwhen in fact it's down only to perception, shows how media can manipulate the public mindJul 12 20:47
schestowitzthe reasons he's treated so badly and behind bars 23 hours a day is that he helped expose war crimesJul 12 20:48
DaemonFC[m]The virus is so bad now that food pantries aren't even asking to see proof of your income anymore.Jul 12 20:48
DaemonFC[m]The unemployment figure has been completely and totally faked.Jul 12 20:48
schestowitzas alwaysJul 12 20:48
schestowitzthe stores are depressingly empty hereJul 12 20:49
schestowitzthe restaurants seem to have jobless staff in themJul 12 20:49
DaemonFC[m]Someone who was in Obama's administration said that it was impossible to have BLS fake the numbers. What they meant was if the conversation about the fake numbers start, we'll find out that his administration, with Biden as VP, was doing it too.Jul 12 20:49
schestowitzit's either be there or stay home unemployedJul 12 20:49
schestowitzI felt so guilty I gave 30% tipJul 12 20:49
schestowitzthey don't fake itJul 12 20:49
schestowitzthey redefine unemploymentJul 12 20:49
schestowitzand then it's not fakeJul 12 20:49
schestowitzonly manipulateJul 12 20:50
schestowitzmisleadJul 12 20:50
schestowitzdistractJul 12 20:50
schestowitzand play with wordsJul 12 20:50
schestowitzpeople generally know  a lot of jobless relatively and neighboursJul 12 20:50
schestowitzand that doesn't match gov. figuresJul 12 20:50
schestowitzpeople who have no prospect of finding a job don't countJul 12 20:50
schestowitzimagine being a chef or cook right now.Jul 12 20:51
schestowitztell me, WHERE would you APPLY for a job for?Jul 12 20:51
schestowitzyou're wasting the little money you have left on electricity or ink/paperJul 12 20:51
schestowitzmaybe rationing will come soon to more nationsJul 12 20:51
schestowitzwill help keep angry and/or hopeless people off the streetsJul 12 20:52
MinceRhttps://i.ibb.co/M7nPZPr/5VdvPVJ.pngJul 12 21:06
AVRSApparently there are many recipe sites that do not require JS to show images (even if they don't look perfectly then): you just need to refuse following tag or category links at the sites that do.Jul 12 21:08
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DaemonFC[m]Well, I think what some people fail to grasp is that it's possible to undermine the intent of a rule without breaking the rule, or by using another rule to undo the first rule.Jul 12 21:10
DaemonFC[m]Speaking of Skynet, that point actually came up in Terminator 2.Jul 12 21:10
DaemonFC[m]Kind of.Jul 12 21:10
DaemonFC[m]It had to adjust its strategy to comply with orders. It kept doing things up to the limit of its orders.Jul 12 21:11
DaemonFC[m]At first it's going to kill someone, but he stops it and says you can't kill anyone. So it doesn't understand, but it obeys.Jul 12 21:11
DaemonFC[m]The next time someone is a problem, it empties like five bullets into his legs and says "He'll live.".Jul 12 21:12
DaemonFC[m]John Connor gets after it again and presumably off screen tells it not to do that again.Jul 12 21:12
DaemonFC[m]So when it comes across dozens of cops including a SWAT team, it changes the parameters to "scare the hell out of them, incapacitate without serious injury, and destroy their vehicles so they can't pursue".Jul 12 21:13
schestowitzMinceR: helps mock people who don't like 5g hype Jul 12 21:14
DaemonFC[m]Obviously, as a Terminator "Kill all of them." works because it's fast and you can be sure they won't pursue.Jul 12 21:14
schestowitzover a fictional issue (when legit issues do exist)Jul 12 21:14
DaemonFC[m]But each new rule had to be obeyed, and so he found ways to accomplish the mission despite the setback.Jul 12 21:14
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I had to bend some rules to get out of that mess last year.Jul 12 21:15
DaemonFC[m]I didn't break any. I just complied in such a way that nobody got what they intended, but they had to release me.Jul 12 21:15
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Active sabotage without breaking any rules is possible. That's why a system built on rules is almost absurd. Jul 12 21:17
DaemonFC[m]A skilled opponent can study the rules and push them around. Jul 12 21:18
MinceRnot almostJul 12 21:18
MinceRentirelyJul 12 21:18
DaemonFC[m]I learned that it's usually better to give them what they want, just not the way they wanted it than it is to actively resist/refuse.Jul 12 21:19
DaemonFC[m]I was reading about bankruptcy some more.Jul 12 21:21
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, people have tried putting student loan debts on credit cards and then declaring bankruptcy on the credit cards.Jul 12 21:21
DaemonFC[m]Occasionally it will slip through because the banks don't object in time, but don't count on it.Jul 12 21:21
DaemonFC[m]It's pretty easy to prove fraud when someone's loan was 3-6% and then they moved it to a credit card at 20% and now they're pleading poverty on the card.Jul 12 21:22
DaemonFC[m]It's better to just not take out the loan to begin with.Jul 12 21:24
DaemonFC[m]A lot of people with a college degree end up with a chip on their shoulder from it, and stocking shelves at Walmart, with $50,000 in student loans.Jul 12 21:24
DaemonFC[m]Because, oddly, there weren't great career paths for Feminist Studies.Jul 12 21:24
DaemonFC[m]Even Mozilla can only hire so many of those.Jul 12 21:24
MinceRBetter Never to Have BeenJul 12 21:24
DaemonFC[m]That's pretty much what college is turning into.Jul 12 21:25
DaemonFC[m]It costs as much to go to a community college now as it did to go to IU in 2004.Jul 12 21:25
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DaemonFC[m]Hyperinflation because college is a speculative bubble.Jul 12 21:25
MinceRmicroshit and ibm can hire the restJul 12 21:25
DaemonFC[m]College loans are basically the housing crisis of 2008 which won't be allowed to fall over because the government has obligated itself to keep the scam going.Jul 12 21:26
MinceRgovernment itself is a scamJul 12 21:27
DaemonFC[m]They prey on teenagers because everyone that age thinks they have the world by the balls.Jul 12 21:27
DaemonFC[m]They have no idea what they're signing.Jul 12 21:27
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DaemonFC[m]Student loans are worse for teenagers than Jeffrey Epstein was.Jul 12 21:29
DaemonFC[m]You can't say that though.Jul 12 21:29
DaemonFC[m]There's a chance that some of Epstein's victims will recover.Jul 12 21:29
schestowitzToday Florida reported 3 times more new covid19 cases then all of Europe (sans) Russia combined. FL has lots of vulnerable people in it.Jul 12 21:29
DaemonFC[m]With student loans, you'll be in your 40s or 50s before they're either paid back or you've been on Income Based Repayment so long that they give up on the rest.Jul 12 21:30
DaemonFC[m]If it continues, they'll take your Social Security checks.Jul 12 21:30
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "Today Florida reported 3 times m"> Yep, now you're gonna die wearing that stupid little hat. How's it feel? -D-FENSJul 12 21:31
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I'd say by Thursday or Friday we'll definitely be way over a thousand per day again.Jul 12 21:32
DaemonFC[m]There's absolutely no chance that the few weeks after that will be better.Jul 12 21:32
DaemonFC[m]Then those fake projections will just have to dial it up another 50,000 to buy themselves another month before the lie is revised again.Jul 12 21:33
DaemonFC[m]https://www.newsday.com/long-island/politics/trump-niece-mary-book-conway-coronavirus-schools-reopening-biden-who-jacksonville-rnc-tiktok-1.46510343Jul 12 21:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Donald Trump's niece: He lies, cheats, is cruel, incompetent and cheap | NewsdayJul 12 21:36
DaemonFC[m]https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=691477#28Jul 12 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.debian.org | #691477 - XChat refers to a non-free browser (not even included in Debian) in its URL handlers. - Debian Bug report logsJul 12 22:06
XRevan86Opera? That's random…Jul 12 22:07
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XRevan86X-Chat is still in the repos, I guess it will stay till the dawn of time.Jul 12 22:10
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: +52,144Jul 12 22:14
schestowitztexas 5k almostJul 12 22:14
schestowitz[21:30] <DaemonFC[m]> If it continues, they'll take your Social Security checks.Jul 12 22:15
schestowitzThey already doJul 12 22:15
schestowitzlast month's newsJul 12 22:15
schestowitztechrights posted half a dozen links about that, or more...Jul 12 22:15
DaemonFC[m]China: "We have something for you. It's going to kill half a million Trump voters!"Jul 12 22:24
DaemonFC[m]We'll take six!Jul 12 22:24
DaemonFC[m]I suppose the glass half full version is that it's killing some, it's teaching some a lesson finally, and the rest are just reprobates that we'll be stuck with for a while.Jul 12 22:26
schestowitzMein Fuhrer...Jul 12 22:29
schestowitzwe have 3 million covid casesJul 12 22:30
schestowitzyou already lost the last election by 3 millionJul 12 22:30
schestowitz[awkward pause]Jul 12 22:30
schestowitz[trump starts shouting and yapping like a hyena on a rut]Jul 12 22:30
DaemonFC[m]https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/506954-surgeon-general-says-us-can-reverse-coronavirus-surge-in-a-few-weeksJul 12 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Surgeon general says U.S. can reverse coronavirus surge in a few weeks 'if everyone does their part' | TheHillJul 12 22:41
DaemonFC[m]Doomed.Jul 12 22:41
MinceRhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/video-gamesJul 12 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Video GamesJul 12 22:41
DaemonFC[m]This is the same fucking retard who tweeted "For God's sake, quit buying masks!".Jul 12 22:43
DaemonFC[m]But that was all of March ago.Jul 12 22:43
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: different contextJul 12 22:57
schestowitzpeople quote him months laterJul 12 22:57
schestowitzthe antivaxxers I sawJul 12 22:57
schestowitzthey also oppose masks obviouslyJul 12 22:57
schestowitzcovid denialistsJul 12 22:57
schestowitz"just a  flu"Jul 12 22:57
schestowitzhe said that when medics needed ppeJul 12 22:57
schestowitzand he had a pointJul 12 22:57
schestowitzthey need to supply the front line when there are still shortagesJul 12 22:58
schestowitznow it's widespread and with production ramping up to meet demand there's enough for everyoneJul 12 22:58
schestowitzso, context and time matterJul 12 22:58
superkuhRight. So the US federal government should've been giving long term contracts and money to, say, Ameritech so they could spin up their factory and hire people above their baseline.Jul 12 22:58
superkuhBut instead, nope. And now we don't have the effective masks.Jul 12 22:58
schestowitzhere too they highlighted the rush for masks being a threat to places where actual known patients wereJul 12 22:58
superkuhInstead we have incredibly bad laws requiring people to wear masks that don't protect them.Jul 12 22:59
schestowitzsuperkuh: in wartime they can change companiesJul 12 22:59
schestowitzbut in the US the healthcare 'industry' is big businessJul 12 22:59
schestowitzto them, this covid spread means many more patientsJul 12 22:59
schestowitzlike 50k new ones per dayJul 12 22:59
superkuhEh...Jul 12 22:59
schestowitzeach might spent... how much? On average?Jul 12 22:59
superkuhWell, mask makers aren't thinking that way.Jul 12 22:59
superkuhI doubt anyone working in health is.Jul 12 23:00
schestowitzbad masks won't sell wellJul 12 23:00
superkuhJust the corporate/AI management.Jul 12 23:00
superkuhAny mask that isn't a fit N95 is a bad mask.Jul 12 23:00
schestowitzso the idea that making bad masks will spread covid and help sell more masks is mootJul 12 23:00
superkuhUnless it's better.Jul 12 23:00
schestowitzthere's competition in this marketJul 12 23:00
superkuhThere was basically just 3M and Ameritech making blown polypropylene masks in the USA.Jul 12 23:01
superkuhAnd neither increased manufacturing or staffing because every time they've done it in the past it's they've almost gone under because the fed orders dry up.Jul 12 23:01
*schestowitz stays home whenever possibleJul 12 23:01
superkuhSure. All you can do is change your own behavior.Jul 12 23:02
schestowitz53,669 cases now...Jul 12 23:02
schestowitzwell, chemical war giants adaptedJul 12 23:02
schestowitzdow chmicals...Jul 12 23:02
schestowitzmonsantoJul 12 23:02
schestowitzbasf, bayer etc.Jul 12 23:02
schestowitzthey just make "good" of "better" gasesJul 12 23:02
schestowitzfor plants and insectsJul 12 23:02
schestowitzor geoengineeringJul 12 23:02
superkuhUh... that's a gross understatement.Jul 12 23:03
schestowitzbut they keep making bad chemicalsJul 12 23:03
schestowitzin high quantitiesJul 12 23:03
schestowitzand justify overuse of these chemicals, which end up everywhere, causing health issue at >any dosage<Jul 12 23:03
schestowitzdoes cocacola still put ddt in the 'drink'?Jul 12 23:04
schestowitzor just cocaine? (no, I know they stopped)Jul 12 23:04
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, they use "spent" coca leaves.Jul 12 23:05
DaemonFC[m]I don't drink it much. I don't know why you would.Jul 12 23:05
DaemonFC[m]The funny line in Fallout 4 was this beggar asking for "Nuka Cola!" and one of the possible answers is "Drink....some....water....".Jul 12 23:06
DaemonFC[m]So that's the one I picked.Jul 12 23:06
DaemonFC[m]That was a very easy game, unfortunately.Jul 12 23:06
DaemonFC[m]Fallout New Vegas was ridiculously hard. Even just starting out, you could run into Deathclaws and stuff.Jul 12 23:07
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*schestowitz writes a poemJul 12 23:12
schestowitzwork in progress, suggestions welcomeJul 12 23:12
schestowitzENTURIES taught the harms of slaveryJul 12 23:12
schestowitzToil and violence, torture and cavalryJul 12 23:12
schestowitzMetaphors are bad, they can cause traumaJul 12 23:12
schestowitzOr for those who never experienced it an opportunity for dramaJul 12 23:12
schestowitzChanging one's code, then the documentationJul 12 23:12
schestowitzThe APIs will change, decades of adaptationJul 12 23:12
schestowitzWith food comes appetite, so why stop at "slave"Jul 12 23:12
schestowitzIn land of the free, or home of the braveJul 12 23:12
schestowitzLittle by little the list has expandedJul 12 23:12
schestowitzColours are racism, so more words are addedJul 12 23:12
schestowitzNever mind the problem, we have a solutionJul 12 23:16
schestowitzRacism always starts at the institutionJul 12 23:16
schestowitzOne by one we ask the tough questionsJul 12 23:16
schestowitzCorporations are urged to pay close attentionJul 12 23:16
schestowitzDo as we say or the company is racistJul 12 23:16
schestowitzBombing is OK, as long as it's statistJul 12 23:16
schestowitzYears go by, inequality growsJul 12 23:16
schestowitzBut we fix our code by "search and replace" and then the program blowsJul 12 23:16
schestowitzWhere are the developers, we've been so inclusiveJul 12 23:19
schestowitzThe debt collectors too are growingly assertiveJul 12 23:19
schestowitzWords are a weapon, pens mightier than swordsJul 12 23:19
schestowitzYou can get rid of "masters" but there will still be landlordsJul 12 23:19
schestowitzEquality is tough to attain when a country is established upon lack of itJul 12 23:28
schestowitzIt's a republic, not a democracy, just learn to deal with itJul 12 23:28
schestowitzDecades then pass, inequality persistsJul 12 23:29
schestowitzThe code may be sanitary, endorsed by the priestsJul 12 23:29
schestowitzLiterature has revealed that book-burning worksJul 12 23:29
schestowitzOf difficult subjects nobody talksJul 12 23:29
schestowitzDialogue continues, inclusiveness in mindJul 12 23:29
schestowitzWords have been banned, have long been left behindJul 12 23:29
schestowitzDenylists are red, allowlists are greenJul 12 23:29
schestowitzDon't tell the "redskins", unless that sporting club can winJul 12 23:29
schestowitzMonochrome society is less subjected to bigotryJul 12 23:29
schestowitzFor different races are identified only by colours for mockeryJul 12 23:29
schestowitzBig endians are offensive, think of the smallJul 12 23:29
schestowitzSuddenly the code speaks of little and tallJul 12 23:29
MinceR:)Jul 12 23:30
schestowitzPronouns amended, big endians endedJul 12 23:31
schestowitzManagement attended, nobody felt offendedJul 12 23:32
schestowitzA perfect society, obedience assuredJul 12 23:32
schestowitzPut behind bars those who say it's absurdJul 12 23:32
schestowitz(Trying to think of more scenarios)Jul 12 23:32
schestowitzPrivacy degraded, wages stagnatedJul 12 23:33
schestowitzBut who gives a damn where society is headedJul 12 23:33
schestowitz(tell me if you spot typos)Jul 12 23:33
schestowitz(suggestions welcome)Jul 12 23:33
MinceRi guess ENTURIES was meant to be CENTURIESJul 12 23:34
schestowitzCanceled are the ones who stand in Utopia's wayJul 12 23:35
schestowitzThat's just the price that for paradise we must payJul 12 23:35
schestowitzOn a pedestal we put, at the pedestal we nodJul 12 23:35
schestowitzThose who never wrote a single line of codeJul 12 23:35
schestowitzyes, it's a drop capJul 12 23:35
schestowitz@MinceRJul 12 23:35
schestowitzSometimes, you see, obstructing progressJul 12 23:38
schestowitzIs the tree that infects the entire forestJul 12 23:38
schestowitzClimate change accelerated, living condition worsenedJul 12 23:38
schestowitzNukes controls lessened, voting rights endedJul 12 23:38
schestowitzThe code was beautiful, deployed nicely on a droneJul 12 23:39
schestowitzIt had a few bugs, to killing protesters it was proneJul 12 23:39
schestowitzThe code was tolerantJul 12 23:40
schestowitzInclusive and excellentJul 12 23:40
schestowitzIt was better at killing minoritiesJul 12 23:40
schestowitzJust like in past centuriesJul 12 23:40
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramstein_Air_BaseJul 12 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ramstein Air Base - WikipediaJul 12 23:43
schestowitzhttps://fair.org/home/bombing-people-is-not-feminist-no-matter-how-you-spin-it/Jul 12 23:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fair.org | Bombing People Is Not Feminist, No Matter How You Spin It | FAIRJul 12 23:44
DaemonFC[m]https://deadline.com/2020/07/florida-sets-us-record-single-day-new-covid-19-cases-disney-world-1202983678/#commentsJul 12 23:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Florida Sets Record For Covid-19 Cases As Disney World Opens – DeadlineJul 12 23:47
DaemonFC[m]FloriDUHJul 12 23:47
schestowitzOK, I'm done, I thinklJul 12 23:53
schestowitzjust need to go over the spelling and grammar nowJul 12 23:53
schestowitz55,357 US case nowJul 12 23:53
schestowitzConnecticut to reportJul 12 23:53
schestowitzNebraska, Rhode IslandJul 12 23:54
schestowitzIdahoJul 12 23:54
schestowitzSome states also amend their figures later in the night, so it'll be over 60k againJul 12 23:54
schestowitzBut nothing to see here, move along, said Orange OneJul 12 23:54
schestowitzit's just "IMPEACHMENT HOAX"Jul 12 23:54
schestowitzaccording to Faux NoiseJul 12 23:54
schestowitzCleaning the CodeJul 12 23:59
schestowitzfair title?Jul 12 23:59

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