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| MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/29/c5898e938b80ec28.mp4 | Aug 12 07:41 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: netslpit killed viera | Aug 12 09:46 |
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| XRevan86 | > https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/29/c5898e938b80ec28.mp4 | Aug 12 09:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I respect that. | Aug 12 09:58 |
| schestowitz | some good rss feeds | Aug 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | to replace LJ | Aug 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | [09:43] <schestowitz> https://www.fossmint.com/rss | Aug 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | [09:43] <schestowitz> https://fosspost.org/feed | Aug 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | [09:46] <schestowitz> https://www.linuxlinks.com/feed/ | Aug 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | [09:48] <schestowitz> http://distrowatch.com/news/dww.xml | Aug 12 10:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ http://distrowatch.com/news/dww.xml ) | Aug 12 10:04 | |
| schestowitz | [09:49] <schestowitz> https://www.fosslinux.com/feed | Aug 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | [09:50] <schestowitz> https://blog.system76.com/rss | Aug 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | [09:50] <schestowitz> https://www.collabora.com/feed | Aug 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | [09:51] <schestowitz> http://feeds.feedburner.com/Ubuntubuzz | Aug 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | [09:52] <schestowitz> http://feeds.feedburner.com/ItsFoss | Aug 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | [09:52] <schestowitz> https://planet.mozilla.org/rss20.xml | Aug 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | [09:53] <schestowitz> https://planet.debian.org/rss20.xml | Aug 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: bad from "health and safety" POV | Aug 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | can get sacked and even get a criminal record here | Aug 12 10:05 |
| schestowitz | (afaik) | Aug 12 10:05 |
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| XRevan86 | I admit I wouldn't've respected that if he were injured in the process. | Aug 12 10:13 |
| schestowitz | the video would not be uploaded then | Aug 12 10:14 |
| XRevan86 | Survivor bias? | Aug 12 10:15 |
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| scientes | 4% of hospital patients get superbug infections | Aug 12 14:59 |
| scientes | for many patients hospitals have a greater chance of killing you than curing you | Aug 12 15:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The worst part about society is the legal system. | Aug 12 15:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I refuse to call it a justice system, because there is no justice. | Aug 12 15:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The court that sentenced me didn't care at all about the 5 years of bad behavior and abuse my ex put me through, the fact that the guy he brought over to our house is an illegal immigrant and shouldn't even be in our country, etc. | Aug 12 15:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They only cared about a few minutes of my life, using it to vilify me and elevate them to sainthood. | Aug 12 15:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyone who goes to court knows that there isn't any justice there. | Aug 12 15:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They let murderers walk on some technicality. They make people pay $600 fines for going 5 miles an hour above the speed limit. | Aug 12 15:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's all very perverse. | Aug 12 15:35 |
| superkuh | scientes, yep. My father almost died (and suffered brain damage) after getting infected with an anti-biotic resistant bacteria during a routine biopsy. | Aug 12 15:44 |
| scientes | maybe there is a way you can get those things not in a hospital | Aug 12 15:45 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: thank you for bringing viera back | Aug 12 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | [15:00] <scientes> for many patients hospitals have a greater chance of killing you than curing you | Aug 12 16:09 |
| schestowitz | Same goes for various treatments | Aug 12 16:09 |
| schestowitz | understand risks and side-effects before 'miracle' treatment | Aug 12 16:09 |
| scientes | well if you have a terminal disease | Aug 12 16:09 |
| schestowitz | same goes for butchering, so-called 'plastic' surgery | Aug 12 16:09 |
| scientes | but yeah, sometimes the doctor is just trying to steal your children's inheritance | Aug 12 16:09 |
| schestowitz | and addictive medicine | Aug 12 16:09 |
| schestowitz | aka drugs | Aug 12 16:09 |
| schestowitz | hormines | Aug 12 16:10 |
| schestowitz | hormons | Aug 12 16:10 |
| schestowitz | hormones | Aug 12 16:10 |
| scientes | hermoine | Aug 12 16:10 |
| scientes | hehe | Aug 12 16:10 |
| schestowitz | or thing that over time make your body dependent on them | Aug 12 16:10 |
| schestowitz | as the body stops producing certain things or halts processes | Aug 12 16:10 |
| scientes | I've been having alot of hip pain | Aug 12 16:10 |
| scientes | also been swimming alot to try to work on it | Aug 12 16:10 |
| scientes | 1km/day | Aug 12 16:10 |
| schestowitz | well, I'm OK with typos in IRC | Aug 12 16:10 |
| schestowitz | it's informal | Aug 12 16:10 |
| schestowitz | I know hot to spell hormones, my fingers just lack the patterns | Aug 12 16:11 |
| scientes | I want to find a rolfer | Aug 12 16:11 |
| scientes | hermoine :) | Aug 12 16:11 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 12 16:11 |
| schestowitz | maybe heroin | Aug 12 16:11 |
| schestowitz | in my patterns typing | Aug 12 16:11 |
| schestowitz | but that doesn't matter | Aug 12 16:11 |
| schestowitz | I know how to spell it, you can check my history typing it | Aug 12 16:11 |
| scientes | lot less heroin/fentanyl in Peru | Aug 12 16:11 |
| schestowitz | the point is, yes, re hospitals | Aug 12 16:11 |
| scientes | its actually a relief | Aug 12 16:11 |
| schestowitz | sanitation is an issue | Aug 12 16:11 |
| scientes | so many drug addicts in the US | Aug 12 16:11 |
| schestowitz | there's also a morale issue | Aug 12 16:12 |
| schestowitz | many people prefer to die at home | Aug 12 16:12 |
| schestowitz | today we saw a guy with his pants folded | Aug 12 16:12 |
| scientes | they also bring them back to life over and over again | Aug 12 16:12 |
| schestowitz | at the distance | Aug 12 16:12 |
| schestowitz | he was injecting himselg | Aug 12 16:12 |
| schestowitz | I could not see well from afar, but wife could | Aug 12 16:12 |
| scientes | yeah, I haven't seen any drugs in Peru/Colombia it is great | Aug 12 16:12 |
| schestowitz | they do it near the local clinic | Aug 12 16:13 |
| schestowitz | maybe by intention | Aug 12 16:13 |
| scientes | some in Costa Rica | Aug 12 16:13 |
| scientes | actually San Jose had quite a few drug addicts | Aug 12 16:13 |
| schestowitz | they hang around just around it, doing heavy drugs | Aug 12 16:13 |
| scientes | It's called bazooka | Aug 12 16:13 |
| schestowitz | what is? | Aug 12 16:13 |
| scientes | I think its crack | Aug 12 16:13 |
| schestowitz | I imagine they do spice and heroin | Aug 12 16:13 |
| scientes | spice is legal in the US | Aug 12 16:13 |
| schestowitz | some lose the ability to walk if not whole limb | Aug 12 16:14 |
| schestowitz | some die and then we have police lines | Aug 12 16:14 |
| schestowitz | laws aren't catching up with price | Aug 12 16:14 |
| schestowitz | they keep changing formulas to dodge bans | Aug 12 16:14 |
| scientes | the law doesn't help anything anyways | Aug 12 16:14 |
| schestowitz | and apparently it helps get people off heroin | Aug 12 16:14 |
| schestowitz | it's more affordable | Aug 12 16:14 |
| schestowitz | apparently gives comparable kick | Aug 12 16:14 |
| scientes | what difference does it make? | Aug 12 16:14 |
| *schestowitz never did illegal drugs, ever | Aug 12 16:15 | |
| scientes | in Hawaii there was a problem where getting rid of weed was pushing people to heroin | Aug 12 16:15 |
| scientes | and meth | Aug 12 16:15 |
| schestowitz | alcohol? | Aug 12 16:15 |
| scientes | but yeah I never did drugs either | Aug 12 16:15 |
| schestowitz | possibly one of the worse in terms of addiction and harms to organ, violance | Aug 12 16:15 |
| schestowitz | violence | Aug 12 16:15 |
| scientes | I had oxycodone for a tooth extraction, and after that I swore I would never take it proscribed again | Aug 12 16:15 |
| scientes | I HATED being high | Aug 12 16:15 |
| scientes | I don't get why people like that | Aug 12 16:16 |
| schestowitz | all those 'laugh' gases have short lifetime | Aug 12 16:16 |
| schestowitz | and they are not fun | Aug 12 16:16 |
| scientes | NO | Aug 12 16:16 |
| schestowitz | they just help distract from discomfort and pain | Aug 12 16:16 |
| schestowitz | and after that they make you wobbly, barely happy | Aug 12 16:16 |
| scientes | uggh, I've been away from that whole thing for a while now | Aug 12 16:16 |
| scientes | its great | Aug 12 16:16 |
| scientes | people have real problems here | Aug 12 16:16 |
| scientes | instead of self-inflicted ones | Aug 12 16:17 |
| schestowitz | sometimes we drink some wine or cider, maybe one a month, in moderate doses if there's a celebration | Aug 12 16:17 |
| scientes | and the US has this horrible culture of babying the addicts | Aug 12 16:17 |
| scientes | and the fatties | Aug 12 16:17 |
| schestowitz | I get more of a kick writing an article | Aug 12 16:17 |
| scientes | which is just another form of addict | Aug 12 16:17 |
| schestowitz | anyway, better get to that now | Aug 12 16:17 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Aug 12 16:17 |
| schestowitz | (Thanks for the chat, Shawn, interesting one..) | Aug 12 16:18 |
| schestowitz | one more point, scientes | Aug 12 16:28 |
| schestowitz | the fact that in a world with 7 billion people (almost 8 apparently) some people choose to live on damaging mental drugs isn't indicative of a drug problem but a happiness problem | Aug 12 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | I am pretty sure this is a false rumour: http://rip-kat.blogspot.com/2019/06/more-scandals.html | Aug 12 16:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rip-kat.blogspot.com | R.I.P. Kat...: More scandals | Aug 12 16:43 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 12 16:43 |
| schestowitz | There are rumors of bigger scandals. Elodie Bergot is rumored to be Battistelli's illegitimate daughter he fathered when he was a student. Why do you think she got the huge promotion and not her husband who was Battistelli's personal assistant at the time? Why promote her at a higher grade than him? Because she was family and he was not. | Aug 12 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Elodie Bergot was also the only one to get body guards in addition to Battistelli. Family business. | Aug 12 16:43 |
| schestowitz | That is one scandal. There are more, concerning Topic and Petrovic, or Battistelli's career before patents, for example. Stay tuned... | Aug 12 16:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 12 16:43 |
| schestowitz | But this is the EPO | Aug 12 16:43 |
| schestowitz | any scandal is possible | Aug 12 16:43 |
| schestowitz | it's a criminal syndicate | Aug 12 16:43 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Class Action Lawsuit Against Microsoft, New Patches, KDE FUD/Hype, Local Password Managers Assessed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126863 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5579017d-9257-4cf4-9b7c-18858e24bab3] | Aug 12 17:03 | |
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| psydroid | so they are going to require AVX2 for Fedora 32? | Aug 12 17:32 |
| psydroid | that sounds just as bad as dropping support for big-endian PPC64 | Aug 12 17:33 |
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| scientes | ugggh, I'm done with Wikipedia | Aug 12 17:36 |
| scientes | the best one is "original research" | Aug 12 17:36 |
| scientes | i.e. facts not allowed | Aug 12 17:36 |
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| scientes | and wikipedia users don't even communicate | Aug 12 17:50 |
| scientes | they just template each other | Aug 12 17:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I paid my "court costs". | Aug 12 17:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of the line items had nothing to do with court or fines at all. | Aug 12 17:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Various state slush funds. | Aug 12 17:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you have money, you pretty much just walk away from the most dire consequences the court could possibly unleash upon you. | Aug 12 17:54 |
| scientes | "Judge drinking fund" | Aug 12 17:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I coughed up and the "punishment" is basically "Check in for 4 months and if we think you're behaving, you can go unmonitored". | Aug 12 17:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is pretty light, considering the state was originally accusing me of pulling a "dangerous knife" on two people "knowingly and with intent to stab them". | Aug 12 17:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got a damned good lawyer, showed up in a suit and a tie and a fresh hair cut in front of the judge, and paid a fine. | Aug 12 17:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that's the difference between looking the part of a middle class white guy (even though behind the scenes my finances were rapidly going down in flames) and being "poor". | Aug 12 17:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The judge throws the book at the guy who goes in there in jeans from Walmart with a public defender, especially if he's black. | Aug 12 17:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Without taking on an enormous amount of debt, I could have ended up in jail for a year, a fine twice as large, and two years of supervised probation. | Aug 12 17:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I figured that I'd just take the hit on the front end to make myself appear presentable to the court and get a lighter punishment. It seems to have worked. | Aug 12 17:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You have to defend yourself and look like the guy next door with an office job in Chicago. | Aug 12 17:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the prosecutor sees you for what they are, they stick to "Raving psycho with a knife." and you go down for the count. | Aug 12 17:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *what you are | Aug 12 17:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the end, I got one count of Disorderly Conduct. | Aug 12 17:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is "Someone became alarmed because he had a knife.". See how the story changed. | Aug 12 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I no longer had an intent to stab anyone, and hey, where did that second person in the room go anyway? | Aug 12 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And if I don't violate supervision, then it closes out with no conviction and I can eventually even bury the arrest record. | Aug 12 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you have money, shit blows over. | Aug 12 18:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | If you don't have money, shit hits the fan. | Aug 12 18:00 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://www.criminaldefencelawyers.com.au/blog/what-happens-if-you-are-charged-with-being-in-custody-of-a-knife-in-public/ its up to 2000 AUD and 2 years in jail to have a knife without valid reason here. | Aug 12 18:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.criminaldefencelawyers.com.au | What Happens if you are Charged with Being in Custody of a Knife in Public? | Aug 12 18:08 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ouch. Yeah, they couldn't charge me with having it "in public" oiaohm Because it was on privvate property. | Aug 12 18:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Thank God. | Aug 12 18:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But what they could do was claim that it was "aggravated assault with a knife" because I had John and his Grindr date illegal immigrant call 911 and claim that I was threatening them with it. | Aug 12 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those cops are the biggest fucking dickheads that I have ever seen in my entire life. | Aug 12 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they could have tossed in more charges, they would have, but since they could never have proven that I had it on public land, they couldn't charge me with that. | Aug 12 18:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now, had I been on the street when they pulled up and pointed their guns at me, they could have tossed in "illegal possession of a deadly weapon" on top of two agg assaults and then things would have been decidedly worse. | Aug 12 18:12 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's not like they were doing me a favor by not charging me with illegal possession. It's that when they arrived I had the knife on private property. | Aug 12 18:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's actually possible to agggravate an assault beyond aggravated assault in Illinois. | Aug 12 18:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Each time you aggravate it, it another two notches up. | Aug 12 18:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Assault is a Class C Misdemeanor. Having a knife during the assault makes it a Class A Misdemeanor as Aggravated Assault. If I pulled a knife on a "protected person", which includes, among other things, anyone over 60 years old, a case worker at the welfare office, a police officer, a social worker, etc, then it becomes Aggravated Assault as a Class III Felony. | Aug 12 18:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you pull a knife on a 60 year old gay person and call them a slur while you do it, it becomes a double aggravated assault with a hate crimes enhancement. | Aug 12 18:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The prosecutor couldn't possibly say I was committing a hate crime against a gay person _and_ "Oh, by the way, he's gay, your honor.". | Aug 12 18:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the election for prosecutor is next year. | Aug 12 18:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If I'm still stuck here by then I'm going to vote for the other guy. | Aug 12 18:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fuck, I'll go door to door for the other guy. | Aug 12 18:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What happened to me was just outright malicious prosecution. | Aug 12 18:19 |
| oiaohm | So you never had the knife. | Aug 12 18:20 |
| oiaohm | Pointed in their direction. | Aug 12 18:20 |
| oiaohm | That remind me of doing some tree triming with a chainsaw | Aug 12 18:20 |
| oiaohm | and a idiot crossed the safety lines and I turned with the chainsaw off. | Aug 12 18:21 |
| oiaohm | Tried to make out I was threating him with a chainsaw. Lucky I was videoing my work that day. | Aug 12 18:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The police found "a knife" on the steps down to my house. | Aug 12 18:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And, oh wouldn't you know it, it was John and Luis that pointed at it. | Aug 12 18:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they didn't actually find it "on me". | Aug 12 18:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure this was a key point when my attorney was negotiating a plea deal. | Aug 12 18:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it was on me at the time, the state might have had a stronger case, but they would have to prove how the knife ended up on the ground, and since I clammed up at the police station, they would have to speculate about that. | Aug 12 18:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Had I known then what I know now, then instead of causing a scene (which was all I admitted to in the end), I would have just left the house and moved to Indiana while John was at work. | Aug 12 18:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Disorderly Conduct basically means "causing a scene" more than actually threatening anyone. | Aug 12 18:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The standard the prosecutor has to prove is that you caused enough of a scene that a reasonable person would have been alarmed. | Aug 12 18:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't have to prove what your intentions are, or that you actually posed a threat to anyone. | Aug 12 18:27 |
| oiaohm | and you were kind of gulity of that. | Aug 12 18:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't even have to prove thatt the actual person was alarmed, or that they were a reasonable person. | Aug 12 18:27 |
| oiaohm | because you failed to remain nicely carm. | Aug 12 18:27 |
| oiaohm | by the sound of it was not your knife. | Aug 12 18:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, yeah, I admitted that I called him a piece of shit and demanded that he leave my house. | Aug 12 18:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's a disorderly conduct. | Aug 12 18:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not an aggravated assault. | Aug 12 18:28 |
| oiaohm | What worries me is if it was not your knife they had to drop it. | Aug 12 18:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | During the negotiations, the prosecutor offered simple assault. | Aug 12 18:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I countered that I would agree to disorderly conduct. | Aug 12 18:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We reminded him that it was the same class of offense, but that the factual circumstances were more disorderly than anything else. | Aug 12 18:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Assault sounds scarier and I can't expunge the arrest record for three years, so I'd rather people see disorderly than assault. | Aug 12 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was the sticking point. | Aug 12 18:30 |
| oiaohm | disorderly you could have got just a little too drunk. | Aug 12 18:30 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm: Precisely. Can mean anything. | Aug 12 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was less about the punishment at that point than what we were going to label the incident as. | Aug 12 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And you want that to be less damaging if anyone looks at the public record. | Aug 12 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Is Google a bit slow today? | Aug 12 18:33 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: and at least you end in a charge that you could have been resonably gulity of. | Aug 12 18:36 |
| oiaohm | Instead of something you really were not gulity of. | Aug 12 18:36 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: there is a important lesson no matter what happens stay cool and calm. | Aug 12 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, Indiana courts don't give a fuck about the facts. | Aug 12 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Found that out. Nobody who I know who has ever gone to an Indiana court room has ever been listened to by the judge. | Aug 12 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They tend to shout over you and do whatever they hell they want. | Aug 12 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's more of a sham proceeding than it is here. That's impressive. | Aug 12 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm: I do have one trick up my sleeve to legally retaliate again John for doing this to me. | Aug 12 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The first thing I plan to default on is a car that he co-signed. | Aug 12 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *against | Aug 12 18:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Mutually Assured Destruction, motherfucker. :P | Aug 12 18:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The attorney I spoke with said don't hide the car. | Aug 12 18:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just stop paying on it and ask the finance company where they want you to drop it off. | Aug 12 18:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't want to be accused of anything criminal while I'm already in trouble for the disorderly. | Aug 12 18:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That being said, I updated my address to the hotel I'm living in with the finance company. | Aug 12 18:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's now completely obvious where they could find the car if they want to repossess it. | Aug 12 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not going to stop them. | Aug 12 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I knew the car was lost to me months ago. | Aug 12 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I haven't even been to the car wash since May and I skipped the oil change it was due for two months ago. | Aug 12 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're going to get the car back anyway. Maintaining it would just waste my money and might increase the value they sell it for, primarily benefitting John. | Aug 12 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If I ultimately file bankruptcy, it won't mean shit to me what they sell it for. But if they don't get the car back, they could go the replevin route and a court could try to accuse me of hiding the car. | Aug 12 18:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After what Scumbucket has put me through, it's the least he deserves. | Aug 12 18:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The fines that courts assess are primarily intended to make it impossible for indigent defendants to ever get themselves out of the system. | Aug 12 19:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have little to nothing to do with running the court and the programs the state says the money is going to should be funded out of tax revenue. | Aug 12 19:15 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The courts in Indiana don't work like this. | Aug 12 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They say you're in there for aggravated assault, you're in there for aggravated assault. | Aug 12 20:40 |
| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/04/8ddd998075740245.jpg | Aug 12 20:42 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/ZH3qYo3.jpg | Aug 12 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | http://kaifolog.ru/uploads/posts/2012-09/1347359622_001.jpg | Aug 12 20:49 |
| scientes | XRevan86, hahahahahahahahaahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | Aug 12 20:49 |
| scientes | I don't know what that suit is for, but such low humor is still funny | Aug 12 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: For flying with Siberian cranes | Aug 12 20:53 |
| XRevan86 | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tfd508LLvAw/UHXRbEZgmuI/AAAAAAAAUYw/ZJJHsf1-Fcc/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/158765.jpg | Aug 12 20:53 |
| XRevan86 | IIRC the aftermath, it didn't help Siberian cranes one bit. | Aug 12 20:53 |
| scientes | well the second image is cool | Aug 12 20:54 |
| scientes | notice the go-pro | Aug 12 20:54 |
| scientes | oh cool, task-lxqt on debian includes youtube-dl | Aug 12 20:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's a PR stunt, it's supposed to look cool. | Aug 12 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | (2012) | Aug 12 20:55 |
| scientes | duh | Aug 12 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: duh :) | Aug 12 20:55 |
| scientes | http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/89c8687b7b8ed9fa410391562c87bc00?width=316 | Aug 12 20:56 |
| MinceR | cult of personality going strong, i see | Aug 12 20:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: https://image.newsru.com/v2/01/2019/07/9/90060e74156000cf1d6bd039cc599724.jpg | Aug 12 20:57 |
| scientes | oh geeze, that one is over the top | Aug 12 20:57 |
| XRevan86 | That's this July, the day of the first political rally in Moscow. | Aug 12 20:57 |
| XRevan86 | * the first political rally about the city duma elections | Aug 12 20:58 |
| XRevan86 | Generated a lot of jokes about him hitting the rock bottom | Aug 12 20:58 |
| scientes | hehehehe https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/629959/Vladimir-Putin-Russian-president-2016-calendar-photos | Aug 12 20:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vladimir Putin: Russian President releases 2016 calendar full of favourite pictures | World | News | Express.co.uk | Aug 12 20:59 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Doesn't look real (real == the title being 100% true) | Aug 12 21:01 |
| scientes | https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/x701/55361.jpg | Aug 12 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I find his spectacular performance in hockey more amusing. | Aug 12 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Dig that up ;) | Aug 12 21:04 |
| MinceR | i find his funeral more amusing | Aug 12 21:04 |
| MinceR | make it happen | Aug 12 21:04 |
| scientes | yeah, but he can actually do Judo | Aug 12 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | He's very good at it. Almost Kim Jong-un good. | Aug 12 21:04 |
| scientes | and a little Piano | Aug 12 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, I know because some of his cronies are judoists. | Aug 12 21:06 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Romanovich_Rotenberg | Aug 12 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Boris Romanovich Rotenberg - Wikipedia | Aug 12 21:07 | |
| XRevan86 | > Rotenberg was very involved in martial arts between 1968 and 1978, particularly judo. | Aug 12 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | > He was listed by Forbes as Russia's 69th wealthiest person in 2016 with a net worth of $1.07 billion. | Aug 12 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | And, of course, his brother: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkady_Rotenberg | Aug 12 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Arkady Rotenberg - Wikipedia | Aug 12 21:09 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So there's a correlation between being in judo and being wealthy %) | Aug 12 21:09 |
| scientes | Maybe I should take some lessons :) | Aug 12 21:10 |
| scientes | in all seriousness I only know the first 1rd of Qui Gung, and want to learn the reast | Aug 12 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Try not to get your assets in the US frozen %). | Aug 12 21:10 |
| scientes | but the first part of the 2nd part is really tricky, and people sometimes hurt themselves, so there is good reasons to stick to the first third | Aug 12 21:10 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah, they do that to people willy-nilly too | Aug 12 21:11 |
| MinceR | doing judo might help in sucking up to putler in russia | Aug 12 21:11 |
| MinceR | soccer might be similar with orban | Aug 12 21:11 |
| scientes | I mean, having assets frozen WAS a huge plot line to most 90s movies | Aug 12 21:11 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/GJgztzB.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/kigSdta ) | Aug 12 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-So that's how the Romans did it - Album on Imgur | Aug 12 21:15 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I expected a botched job from the start, but very soon realised they're doing a good job. | Aug 12 21:16 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 12 21:17 |
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| scientes | putin has also called protestors "office plankton" | Aug 12 21:20 |
| scientes | after translation, supposedly | Aug 12 21:20 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: He did? Peculiar. | Aug 12 21:20 |
| scientes | I read this in some book | Aug 12 21:21 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's common slang for a mediocre office worker. | Aug 12 21:21 |
| scientes | which was interesting, because one of my commentators I follow, who moved back to Russia and became very pro-Putin, used such a term (in English) like 13 years ago | Aug 12 21:21 |
| scientes | XRevan86, oh ok | Aug 12 21:21 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Doesn't take much translation. The original: ofisny plankton | Aug 12 21:22 |
| scientes | > ofisny | Aug 12 21:22 |
| XRevan86 | офисный | Aug 12 21:22 |
| scientes | its not рыба | Aug 12 21:23 |
| scientes | but its similar to the English word for fish | Aug 12 21:23 |
| scientes | which i guess is where it comes from | Aug 12 21:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: uh, not ofishny | Aug 12 21:23 |
| XRevan86 | ofis == office | Aug 12 21:23 |
| XRevan86 | office-ny plankton | Aug 12 21:24 |
| scientes | having looked at plankton undef microscope I understand it | Aug 12 21:24 |
| MinceR | it's so obvious that plankton is more intelligent than putin's followers? | Aug 12 21:24 |
| scientes | MinceR, what a cool specialized machine | Aug 12 21:24 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So, you know, somehow who works in a cubicle | Aug 12 21:25 |
| XRevan86 | * someone | Aug 12 21:25 |
| scientes | e.g. Dilbert | Aug 12 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: yes | Aug 12 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: yes | Aug 12 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | And it kind of doesn't fit | Aug 12 21:27 |
| scientes | gcm-ppc.c:125:31: error: cast to pointer from integer of different size [-Werror=int-to-pointer-cast] | Aug 12 21:28 |
| scientes | 125 | gcm_init_p8(ghash->table, (const uint64_t *) ghash->key); | Aug 12 21:28 |
| scientes | wut, gcc won't let me cast a pointer? | Aug 12 21:28 |
| scientes | oh, nvm, it caught my bug :) | Aug 12 21:28 |
| scientes | i need a & | Aug 12 21:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I found a Putin supporter who called people "office plankton" in 2012. | Aug 12 21:29 |
| scientes | yeah but you say its common | Aug 12 21:29 |
| scientes | so that settles it | Aug 12 21:29 |
| scientes | this guy wasn't a Putin supporter back then | Aug 12 21:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Still derogatory, but yea, not that big of a deal. | Aug 12 21:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No, I found this: https://lenta.ru/news/2012/01/19/holmanskih/ | Aug 12 21:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Защитник Путина с "Уралвагонзавода" ответил "офисному планктону": Россия: Lenta.ru | Aug 12 21:30 | |
| schestowitz | why do you post photos of Putin with his breasts showing? | Aug 12 21:32 |
| schestowitz | and why does he sell these as calendars | Aug 12 21:32 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Compared to Solovyev's "eternal 2 percents of shit" that's polite %) | Aug 12 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I doubt he's been selling those. | Aug 12 21:35 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19062757 | Aug 12 21:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Aug 12 21:35 | |
| XRevan86 | probably just some random Putin-themed calendar from a shop | Aug 12 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | or from an underground crossing, they love to sell politically themed stuff there | Aug 12 21:36 |
| XRevan86 | Matryoshka, balalayka, Putin | Aug 12 21:36 |
| XRevan86 | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8oS5z6Eb35A/Tom2BtiiO3I/AAAAAAAAAHk/iw2m1CB9Hp0/s640/PICT0028.JPG | Aug 12 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | in this kind of place | Aug 12 21:37 |
| MinceR | wow, manufactured goods! | Aug 12 21:38 |
| MinceR | those are so rare | Aug 12 21:38 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: extremely | Aug 12 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | And they even sell such rare items as Putin-themed calendars. | Aug 12 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | Anything your heart desires and your roubles can buy. | Aug 12 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | As long as your heart desires something in the vicintiy of a pink army-like ushanka hat. | Aug 12 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | vicinity | Aug 12 21:44 |
| scientes | with fake wool | Aug 12 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | naturally | Aug 12 21:47 |
| scientes | that isn't warm | Aug 12 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | and not aesthetically pleasing either | Aug 12 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | http://военсбыт.рф/images/photos/medium/shop2058.jpg this exists | Aug 12 21:49 |
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| XRevan86 | https://cdn.segodnya.ua/img/article/4460/80_main.jpg souvenir hats on their target audience | Aug 12 21:51 |
| scientes | XRevan86, I thought that flagrant homosexuality was looked down upon | Aug 12 21:51 |
| scientes | oh, wait that is the Russian flag | Aug 12 21:52 |
| scientes | ugghhh, its so gaudy | Aug 12 21:52 |
| XRevan86 | http://img.urfo.org/pict/arts1/r188/dop1/14/02/113.JPG why not | Aug 12 21:53 |
| scientes | and Xi is right there beside his, as is correct | Aug 12 21:54 |
| scientes | 3 Xis | Aug 12 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I got it %) | Aug 12 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/noordenwind/36003364/546968/546968_600.jpg | Aug 12 21:58 |
| scientes | are those pastries on the right? | Aug 12 21:59 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Looks like it. | Aug 12 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | http://antifashist.com/images/uploads/032017/8076a0f79722.jpeg | Aug 12 22:01 |
| scientes | they spelled fascist wrong | Aug 12 22:01 |
| XRevan86 | http://antifashist.com/images/uploads/032017/f9b2b5c587e8.jpeg | Aug 12 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/yreBd5jJJE0?t=32 sorry | Aug 12 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Виталия Милонова называют фашистом - YouTube | Aug 12 22:03 | |
| scientes | why I love Peter? | Aug 12 22:03 |
| scientes | which Peter? | Aug 12 22:03 |
| scientes | oh, St. Petersberg | Aug 12 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Piter | Aug 12 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | Peter would be Пётр | Aug 12 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | (or Петро) | Aug 12 22:03 |
| scientes | still translates to Peter for me | Aug 12 22:04 |
| XRevan86 | Питер is just colloquial for Петербург | Aug 12 22:04 |
| scientes | I see one in English in the back | Aug 12 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I'm just explaining that it cannot possibly be legit for Peter :) | Aug 12 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | maybe as a phonetical representation from English | Aug 12 22:05 |
| MinceR | "Peter, you is my number one apostle! Your name is mean rock, on you I build church!" | Aug 12 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | Right, from English it would be "Питер", I'm being dumb | Aug 12 22:06 |
| XRevan86 | except the "t" would be pronounced differently | Aug 12 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | Russian has an ambiguity with the letter "е", with loan words in particular | Aug 12 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | A good example would be words тест and тесто. | Aug 12 22:07 |
| scientes | English has ambiguity will all letters | Aug 12 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | test and tiesto | Aug 12 22:08 |
| scientes | XRevan86, if quizzes are quizzical, what are tests? | Aug 12 22:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: huh? | Aug 12 22:08 |
| scientes | Its a grade-school joke | Aug 12 22:08 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 12 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: oh | Aug 12 22:09 |
| MinceR | if corn oil is made of corn, then baby oil is made of... | Aug 12 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: baby secretions? | Aug 12 22:10 |
| XRevan86 | sweat most likely | Aug 12 22:10 |
| MinceR | babies. | Aug 12 22:10 |
| MinceR | the finest baby oil is cold-pressed from whole, free-range babies. | Aug 12 22:10 |
| scientes | MinceR, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP_nNemsNT8 | Aug 12 22:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Yes Men - Post Consumer Waste Recycling Program (WTO) - YouTube | Aug 12 22:11 | |
| scientes | oh, that isn't the right one | Aug 12 22:11 |
| scientes | they have one where they pass around a candle, and explain that they managed to make oil from dead people | Aug 12 22:11 |
| scientes | and baby oil is made from oil.... | Aug 12 22:12 |
| scientes | as in petroleum | Aug 12 22:12 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I read the description and I still barely understand what's going on | Aug 12 22:13 |
| XRevan86 | did they give away hamburgers at the entrance too? | Aug 12 22:13 |
| scientes | XRevan86, https://youtu.be/ZP_nNemsNT8?t=199 | Aug 12 22:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Yes Men - Post Consumer Waste Recycling Program (WTO) - YouTube | Aug 12 22:14 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19062627 | Aug 12 22:37 |
| XRevan86 | https://chaos.social/users/ConnyDuck/statuses/102602810913342317 huh | Aug 12 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: ^ | Aug 12 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | You probably saw it already though | Aug 12 23:23 |
| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/ahtdk2.jpeg | Aug 12 23:24 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: Related to the freedom zero discussion. | Aug 12 23:25 |
| scientes | https://github.com/jamiebuilds/anti-fascist-mit-license/blob/master/LICENSE | Aug 12 23:28 |
| scientes | is this a joke? | Aug 12 23:28 |
| scientes | now THIS is a joke :) https://thufie.lain.haus/NPL.html | Aug 12 23:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No. In fact, it aligns perfectly with the kinds of notions that cultivate on Mastodon right now. | Aug 12 23:31 |
| scientes | that's why I am not in those places | Aug 12 23:31 |
| scientes | insanity | Aug 12 23:31 |
| scientes | and liberals | Aug 12 23:31 |
| scientes | although I probably should just avoid that word | Aug 12 23:31 |
| scientes | cause I am a classical liberalist too | Aug 12 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, it doesn't mean the same thing for different people. | Aug 12 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | Even less than "communist". | Aug 12 23:32 |
| scientes | but I noticed it at computer conferences | Aug 12 23:32 |
| scientes | 10 years ago, no problem | Aug 12 23:32 |
| scientes | these days you get that sort of attitute | Aug 12 23:32 |
| scientes | and you get talks about what its like to be gay and contribute to free software | Aug 12 23:32 |
| scientes | I mean, I don't care if you are gay, but what does that have to do with software? | Aug 12 23:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And I'm not even of that culture, I have not a clue what is the deal | Aug 12 23:33 |
| XRevan86 | Multi-culturalism except you have to understand the nuances of US politics and mentality. | Aug 12 23:35 |
| scientes | I left | Aug 12 23:35 |
| scientes | I don't do that anymore | Aug 12 23:35 |
| XRevan86 | And I honestly don't get how they're trying to protect the oppressed with this. | Aug 12 23:37 |
| scientes | it is usually hypocracy | Aug 12 23:38 |
| scientes | like they protested the iraq war | Aug 12 23:38 |
| scientes | and I didn't get the right feelings from that | Aug 12 23:38 |
| scientes | and then Libya happened, and there were no protests at all | Aug 12 23:38 |
| scientes | so for me, that showed that they don't really care, its just an attention thing | Aug 12 23:38 |
| scientes | and a controlling other people thing | Aug 12 23:38 |
| XRevan86 | For instance, from the perspective of the RF state Ukraine is filled with fascists. | Aug 12 23:39 |
| XRevan86 | Does that mean their rights are revoked with this licence? | Aug 12 23:39 |
| XRevan86 | And then Navalny in his younger years was involved with nationalist groups. His rights are null too, right? | Aug 12 23:41 |
| scientes | there is no culture in the US | Aug 12 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | One could argue that the author gives a definition, but it's a sketchy one at best (not legally enforceable), and it is under the words "can be". | Aug 12 23:43 |
| scientes | so this is what people end up doing | Aug 12 23:43 |
| scientes | its pretty bad | Aug 12 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | So you can define "fascist" like that, if you feel like it. | Aug 12 23:43 |
| scientes | like when I experienced real culture here it was great | Aug 12 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | "radical authoritarian | Aug 12 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | nationalism” – and even then, this is open to interpretation | Aug 12 23:44 |
| scientes | you can't define "radical" | Aug 12 23:45 |
| scientes | unless it is a "free radical" ;) | Aug 12 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | Ukrainian nationalists: isn't it authoritarian that they want… authority? | Aug 12 23:45 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxyl_radical | Aug 12 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | And granted it's just one random such licence, but the author of Tusky, he should realise they're all by definition like that. | Aug 12 23:48 |
| XRevan86 | One cannot "cancel" people in legal documents by ideas without it backfiring. | Aug 12 23:48 |
| scientes | the only serious one that violate freedom 0 are the anti-Amazon ones | Aug 12 23:48 |
| scientes | and the best method against that very real thread is just time-release open source | Aug 12 23:48 |
| scientes | which is not exactly great, but solves that problem | Aug 12 23:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, but that's an "attack" from different grounds and by different people. | Aug 12 23:49 |
| XRevan86 | Quite peculiar times. I keep waiting for this to just settle over. | Aug 12 23:50 |
| scientes | for what to settle? | Aug 12 23:50 |
| scientes | the insanity of the US? | Aug 12 23:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The fediverse drama. And in generalthat too. | Aug 12 23:50 |
| scientes | you are looking at a symptom | Aug 12 23:51 |
| XRevan86 | Damn fediverse was nice in 2014 -_- | Aug 12 23:51 |
| XRevan86 | now it's mostly self-perpetuating drama | Aug 12 23:51 |
| XRevan86 | everything bad I heard about twitter, it all came to me | Aug 12 23:51 |
| XRevan86 | the twitter culture rather | Aug 12 23:52 |
| scientes | yeah but twitter was always stupid | Aug 12 23:52 |
| scientes | becuase its too short | Aug 12 23:52 |
| XRevan86 | The Twitter refugees brought Twitter with them. | Aug 12 23:52 |
| scientes | how were they refugees? | Aug 12 23:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't know, I've never been on Twitter | Aug 12 23:57 |
| MinceR | 13 002819 <+scientes> https://github.com/jamiebuilds/anti-fascist-mit-license/blob/master/LICENSE | Aug 12 23:58 |
| MinceR | seems to have extremely little to do with the MIT License :> | Aug 12 23:58 |
| scientes | woah, inflation crisis in argentina | Aug 12 23:59 |
| MinceR | 13 002916 <+scientes> now THIS is a joke :) https://thufie.lain.haus/NPL.html | Aug 12 23:59 |
| scientes | 45->57 in one day | Aug 12 23:59 |
| MinceR | is the term "copyleft" even applicable to nonfree licenses? | Aug 12 23:59 |
| scientes | MinceR, CopyStrongArm | Aug 12 23:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's not. | Aug 12 23:59 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 12 23:59 |
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