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| oiaohm | https://www.versionmuseum.com/history-of/discontinued-microsoft-products Microsoft has got rid of a lot of products over time. | Nov 12 00:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.versionmuseum.com | A Complete All-Time List of Discontinued Microsoft Software Since 1975 - Version Museum | Nov 12 00:45 | |
| MinceR | yeah, currently they're getting rid of one called "Linux" | Nov 12 00:45 |
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| cubexyz | I discontinued M$ everything | Nov 12 01:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: when you look at the list of recently killed by Microsoft most of those are due to them using Linux more themselves. | Nov 12 01:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the Linux/Microsoft interaction is absolutely not a one directional street. | Nov 12 01:56 |
| cubexyz | has m$ made win10 into a rent only deal yet? | Nov 12 02:02 |
| cubexyz | that's my prediction | Nov 12 02:02 |
| cubexyz | oh it's already a thing, silly me | Nov 12 02:03 |
| cubexyz | only for enterprise... for now... dun dun DUN | Nov 12 02:04 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Why we shouldn’t blame ourselves for the Linux desktop’s microscopic marketshare http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/130385 [https://pleroma.site/objects/408738a2-32e6-418b-8988-52c4596b4e6f] | Nov 12 02:08 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_-_Dead_Divisions_or_Products | Nov 12 02:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft - Dead Divisions or Products - Techrights | Nov 12 02:09 | |
| danielp3344 | viera: that article seems a bit extreme | Nov 12 02:12 |
| danielp3344 | It seems to be mostly a reflection of how many GNU+Linux users have been careless about who they buy from | Nov 12 02:12 |
| danielp3344 | If everyone who ran GNU+Linux bought from purism or system76 or thinkpenguin or something like that, we wouldn't have this problem | Nov 12 02:13 |
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| cubexyz | a lot of the time I'm not buying anything | Nov 12 02:16 |
| danielp3344 | cubexyz: I try to buy from people who will do good things with the money | Nov 12 02:17 |
| cubexyz | I'm fixing & refurbing | Nov 12 02:17 |
| cubexyz | laserjet? 1997, fixed | Nov 12 02:17 |
| cubexyz | Sony HDTV from 2009, fixed | Nov 12 02:17 |
| cubexyz | and there's a big pile of broken laptops I haven't even started on | Nov 12 02:18 |
| danielp3344 | I hate fixing proprietary hardware | Nov 12 02:18 |
| danielp3344 | So frustrating that people won't share any information | Nov 12 02:19 |
| cubexyz | yes, that is true | Nov 12 02:19 |
| danielp3344 | But I have a pile of laptop carcasses too :P | Nov 12 02:20 |
| cubexyz | laserjets have maintainance kits and service manuals | Nov 12 02:22 |
| cubexyz | so they relatively easy to work with | Nov 12 02:22 |
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| cubexyz | I fixed a sega genesis earlier this year :) | Nov 12 02:23 |
| danielp3344 | Also I really dislike x86 | Nov 12 02:23 |
| danielp3344 | I have an asus c201 that works really well | Nov 12 02:23 |
| danielp3344 | 18 hour battery :D | Nov 12 02:23 |
| cubexyz | well, I do own a vic-20 and a amiga 500 :) | Nov 12 02:25 |
| cubexyz | both non-x86 | Nov 12 02:25 |
| danielp3344 | cool | Nov 12 02:25 |
| cubexyz | the 500 and the genesis are both motorola 68000 | Nov 12 02:26 |
| cubexyz | I'm old enough to remember before x86 | Nov 12 02:26 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/130386 [https://pleroma.site/objects/48e6a493-06e4-411c-b586-5c10ce473c13] | Nov 12 02:26 | |
| cubexyz | programming during the msdos era was a mess | Nov 12 02:27 |
| danielp3344 | cubexyz: I'm 16 :P | Nov 12 02:27 |
| cubexyz | ok, interesting | Nov 12 02:27 |
| cubexyz | when I first started the z80 was the dominant CPU | Nov 12 02:28 |
| danielp3344 | I've done a bit of z80 programming | Nov 12 02:28 |
| danielp3344 | TI calculators | Nov 12 02:28 |
| cubexyz | not a bad skill to have | Nov 12 02:29 |
| cubexyz | the other non-x86 stuff I have is ARM Cortex A9 | Nov 12 02:30 |
| cubexyz | android streamer thing | Nov 12 02:30 |
| cubexyz | LGP and Loki games did some non-x86 games | Nov 12 02:32 |
| cubexyz | there was PPC, Sparc and Alpha Linux | Nov 12 02:32 |
| cubexyz | ummm, not many mind you | Nov 12 02:33 |
| cubexyz | Majesty Gold had a PPC version | Nov 12 02:33 |
| cubexyz | that would be around 2001 I think | Nov 12 02:35 |
| cubexyz | oh yeah, Zaurus was ARM also | Nov 12 02:36 |
| cubexyz | at least Sharp made the SL series with Linux | Nov 12 02:40 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux driver patches indicate AMD is readying integer scaling http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/130388 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a22080c0-0b8e-43af-b7b2-56dbd4b34a50] | Nov 12 03:08 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Database of 200+ smartphones that can run Linux (unofficially) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/130389 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8a2b1eb6-045d-4f83-8fec-a921ff2c8021] | Nov 12 03:18 | |
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| msgb11 | I read your article about startpage ( that I didn't trusted or ever use eiher way). What is your opinion about swisscows.ch which claims that is a privacy oriented search engine? | Nov 12 03:31 |
| r_schestowitz | hi | Nov 12 03:36 |
| msgb11 | hi | Nov 12 03:36 |
| r_schestowitz | I plan to write about them again in a few hours | Nov 12 03:36 |
| r_schestowitz | I never heard of swisscows | Nov 12 03:36 |
| r_schestowitz | can you tell me more | Nov 12 03:36 |
| r_schestowitz | seems like Wire was told to some Swiss entity | Nov 12 03:37 |
| r_schestowitz | we're still trying to learn what that means for privacy | Nov 12 03:37 |
| msgb11 | it is a search engine that belongs to a swiss company and that's all I know. | Nov 12 03:37 |
| r_schestowitz | can you look into it? | Nov 12 03:37 |
| msgb11 | they claim though that their search engine is private and that it doesn't track its users. | Nov 12 03:37 |
| r_schestowitz | I never even heard of it? | Nov 12 03:37 |
| r_schestowitz | so who owns them? | Nov 12 03:38 |
| msgb11 | check it out swisscows.ch | Nov 12 03:38 |
| r_schestowitz | what's the business model? | Nov 12 03:38 |
| r_schestowitz | The prognosis often turns out to be negative | Nov 12 03:38 |
| msgb11 | I don't know. that is the reason I'm asking | Nov 12 03:38 |
| r_schestowitz | sounds liks SWISSCOM | Nov 12 03:38 |
| r_schestowitz | which obviously spies a lot | Nov 12 03:38 |
| msgb11 | I don't think that it has anything to do with swisscom | Nov 12 03:38 |
| r_schestowitz | lol swisscows.ch gives me blank page | Nov 12 03:39 |
| r_schestowitz | probably some javascript mess | Nov 12 03:39 |
| r_schestowitz | totally blank page in my browser | Nov 12 03:39 |
| msgb11 | https://swisscows.ch/ | Nov 12 03:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-swisscows.ch | Swisscows die alternative, datensichere Suchmaschine. | Nov 12 03:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | i remember when izquick/startpage started serving bloat a year ago | Nov 12 03:39 |
| r_schestowitz | yes, that's the url I use | Nov 12 03:39 |
| msgb11 | the original page is in german but you can switch it to other languages if you like | Nov 12 03:40 |
| msgb11 | I use this search engine but I can't tell if it is tracking my searches because I use a lot of adblockers and script blockers so I can't tell if thhey serve any ads ( personlized or others). | Nov 12 03:41 |
| msgb11 | This doesn't mean of course that they are true to their claims. That is the reason why I'm asking | Nov 12 03:41 |
| msgb11 | In any case I never trustd startpage because I realized at some point that it's results came straight from google and so they were biased. | Nov 12 03:42 |
| msgb11 | On regard of the results, the search engine that gives the most unbiased and true to the search terms results is currently - believe it or not- yandex | Nov 12 03:43 |
| r_schestowitz | what does privacytools say? | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | https://forum.privacytools.io/t/lets-discuss-swisscows-com-privacy-friendly-and-porn-free-search-engine-with-its-own-advertising-concept/1873 | Nov 12 03:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.privacytools.io | Let's discuss swisscows.com - Privacy friendly and porn free search engine with it's own advertising concept - Providers & Services - PrivacyTools Community | Nov 12 03:44 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | Hard pass here. I think I’ll stick to Yacy and have the search results I want. | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | If I’m being real here, censoring specific words or word combinations heavily implies at least some knowledge about what you’re searching. | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | It blocks even words like beheading, when there are certain use cases for the words beheading, like when doing a high school research paper about Lady Jane Grey or Marie Antionette. | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | I’d much rather whatever students I had in the future run their own Yacy instance, and have nobody know what their searching. As a teacher, you’re not going to know what your students are searching for anyway at home, and most high schoolers are smart enough to switch to one that doesn’t inhibit their research. | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | Hard pass here. I think I’ll stick to Yacy and have the search results I want. | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | If I’m being real here, censoring specific words or word combinations heavily implies at least some knowledge about what you’re searching. | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | It blocks even words like beheading, when there are certain use cases for the words beheading, like when doing a high school research paper about Lady Jane Grey or Marie Antionette. | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | I’d much rather whatever students I had in the future run their own Yacy instance, and have nobody know what their searching. As a teacher, you’re not going to know what your students are searching for anyway at home, and most high schoolers are smart enough to switch to one that doesn’t inhibit their research. | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | I am generally suspicious of family friendly search engines as they have a tendency to e.g. filter information related to gender and sexual minorities, while the information could tell the user that there are other people like them and maybe even talk with a trusted adult if they have one they feel they can trust. | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | I wasn’t able to test whether Swisscows does this as all searches result into an error message, including their example searches on the front page. | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | I am generally suspicious of family friendly search engines as they have a tendency to e.g. filter information related to gender and sexual minorities, while the information could tell the user that there are other people like them and maybe even talk with a trusted adult if they have one they feel they can trust. | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | I wasn’t able to test whether Swisscows does this as all searches result into an error message, including their example searches on the front page. | Nov 12 03:44 |
| r_schestowitz | "Neither Firefox Tracking Protection or Privacy Badger said that they were blocking anything." | Nov 12 03:45 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 12 03:45 |
| r_schestowitz | I am generally suspicious of family friendly search engines as they have a tendency to e.g. filter information related to gender and sexual minorities, while the information could tell the user that there are other people like them and maybe even talk with a trusted adult if they have one they feel they can trust. | Nov 12 03:45 |
| r_schestowitz | I agree. The internet is all about Porn. I don’t need censorship. | Nov 12 03:45 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 12 03:45 |
| msgb11 | I haven't searched about Porn on swisscows to be honest | Nov 12 03:46 |
| msgb11 | If I want to watch porn I know where to go lol | Nov 12 03:46 |
| msgb11 | I don't need to search for it that's what I mean. | Nov 12 03:46 |
| msgb11 | as for beheadings.. I guess that it is way to straight forward as a concept. | Nov 12 03:48 |
| msgb11 | Can you suggest a non spying browser for android please? | Nov 12 03:49 |
| msgb11 | I have un googled my android tablet without rooting it but I can't find not a single browser who is not trying to connect to the one or the other company or server. I currently run one with a firewall. | Nov 12 03:50 |
| msgb11 | and custom filters | Nov 12 03:50 |
| r_schestowitz | android is spying | Nov 12 03:51 |
| r_schestowitz | the OS is a problem | Nov 12 03:51 |
| r_schestowitz | some things I only surf at the gmy | Nov 12 03:51 |
| r_schestowitz | gym | Nov 12 03:51 |
| msgb11 | I know and it is the first time that I bought a powered by android device. I don't even have a smartphone. | Nov 12 03:53 |
| r_schestowitz | good | Nov 12 03:55 |
| r_schestowitz | I had a tablet before | Nov 12 03:55 |
| r_schestowitz | it does not track location over gms or similar | Nov 12 03:55 |
| r_schestowitz | BUT... | Nov 12 03:55 |
| msgb11 | but I needed it for reading e books and occassionally connecting online from my neighbors wifi. | Nov 12 03:55 |
| r_schestowitz | you need to disable wifi | Nov 12 03:55 |
| msgb11 | lol | Nov 12 03:55 |
| r_schestowitz | otherwise nearby hotspts keep track of your movement | Nov 12 03:55 |
| r_schestowitz | they're like beacons and patents will show you how that's exploited | Nov 12 03:56 |
| msgb11 | I disabled all outgoing connections with a fire wall. And I uninstalled with adb from my user all google or related services. | Nov 12 03:56 |
| r_schestowitz | under the guise of "free" wifi | Nov 12 03:56 |
| r_schestowitz | the machines at the gym, cardio ones, have chrome on them | Nov 12 03:56 |
| msgb11 | something like that. You see I don't have an internet connection at home and I'm connected with a usb mobile internet device that has limited data | Nov 12 03:57 |
| r_schestowitz | it's almost like anon user, depending if the searches reveal something about you | Nov 12 03:57 |
| msgb11 | chrome is the worst spying browser ever. | Nov 12 03:57 |
| r_schestowitz | probably | Nov 12 03:57 |
| msgb11 | as soon as you connect to the wifi it sends reports to google | Nov 12 03:57 |
| r_schestowitz | because of the company it sends data to | Nov 12 03:57 |
| msgb11 | even the chromium one is not that better. | Nov 12 03:57 |
| r_schestowitz | open microphone | Nov 12 03:57 |
| msgb11 | I use a heavily customized version of pale moon on my desktop | Nov 12 03:58 |
| msgb11 | indeed. | Nov 12 03:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (to improve your experience of course!) | Nov 12 03:58 |
| msgb11 | yes sure.. | Nov 12 03:58 |
| msgb11 | I have disconnected the microphone application from my user in my tablet. | Nov 12 03:59 |
| msgb11 | You can't imagine how many applications are running on the root | Nov 12 03:59 |
| msgb11 | 150 | Nov 12 03:59 |
| msgb11 | and those that I installed to my user are just 25 | Nov 12 03:59 |
| msgb11 | I said many years ago that google would end up like microsoft and they didn't believe me | Nov 12 04:00 |
| msgb11 | I said that to a linux related irc channel and they didn't believe me. | Nov 12 04:00 |
| msgb11 | back in 2006 | Nov 12 04:01 |
| msgb11 | anyway.. do you know any slightly more secure browsers for android? | Nov 12 04:01 |
| r_schestowitz | no | Nov 12 04:04 |
| r_schestowitz | when I had a tablet I put Firefox on it | Nov 12 04:04 |
| r_schestowitz | but that was around 2013 | Nov 12 04:04 |
| msgb11 | firefox is another spying browser | Nov 12 04:05 |
| r_schestowitz | I also tried a Tor browser | Nov 12 04:05 |
| r_schestowitz | it was a pain to work with | Nov 12 04:05 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't trust Mozilla | Nov 12 04:05 |
| msgb11 | tor is spied by NSA | Nov 12 04:05 |
| r_schestowitz | they outsource the spying to some partners | Nov 12 04:05 |
| msgb11 | I know that. | Nov 12 04:05 |
| r_schestowitz | when sources or whistleblowers need anonymity I just tell them to use some open connection somewhere | Nov 12 04:06 |
| r_schestowitz | at least it creates ambiguities | Nov 12 04:06 |
| r_schestowitz | https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/02/welcome-to-eponia-the-strange-land-of-european-patents-that-is-outside-the-law/2/ | Nov 12 04:06 |
| msgb11 | I don't know what to use on the tablet. I currently use an old modified version of chrome but I'm careful to where I'm getting connected with this | Nov 12 04:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Welcome to EPOnia, the strange land of European patents that is outside the law | Ars Technica | Nov 12 04:06 | |
| r_schestowitz | they used cameras and spyware on public terminals in EPO | Nov 12 04:07 |
| r_schestowitz | msgb11: depends what it's for | Nov 12 04:07 |
| r_schestowitz | it's ok to use a spying machines for some boring stuff | Nov 12 04:08 |
| r_schestowitz | as they get no data of value from some things | Nov 12 04:08 |
| r_schestowitz | like, if you check football scores | Nov 12 04:08 |
| msgb11 | ?? | Nov 12 04:09 |
| r_schestowitz | (unlike, say, medical symptoms) | Nov 12 04:09 |
| msgb11 | aren't these supposed to be private? | Nov 12 04:10 |
| r_schestowitz | depends what they 'monetise' | Nov 12 04:11 |
| r_schestowitz | you would care less if they saw you checking football scores every 4 minutes | Nov 12 04:11 |
| r_schestowitz | (than something about a medical condition you observe.. yours or others') | Nov 12 04:11 |
| r_schestowitz | football stuff they use to advertise gambling | Nov 12 04:12 |
| msgb11 | I see... | Nov 12 04:12 |
| msgb11 | I think that the only way to remain anonymous online is to change frequently online identities. As for staying anonymous in your everyday life the only way to do so is to go to live somewhere that there is no internet network. | Nov 12 04:14 |
| msgb11 | At some remote place or something. | Nov 12 04:14 |
| r_schestowitz | or to limit what you do online | Nov 12 04:14 |
| r_schestowitz | to keep the offline options still available | Nov 12 04:14 |
| msgb11 | you don't need to do this. | Nov 12 04:14 |
| r_schestowitz | same for cash payments | Nov 12 04:14 |
| msgb11 | I have heard a lot about the cash payments but people who support this option don't seem to realize that in order to get cash they have to go to the bank | Nov 12 04:15 |
| r_schestowitz | go once a year | Nov 12 04:15 |
| r_schestowitz | our visit is next month | Nov 12 04:16 |
| msgb11 | or to use a cash machine. So if the card company doesn't know where and how you spend your money the bank certainly knows how much money you spend | Nov 12 04:16 |
| msgb11 | because you withdraw them in cash. | Nov 12 04:16 |
| msgb11 | and you withdraw all the money that you might need for a year ahead? That is what you do ? | Nov 12 04:17 |
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| r_schestowitz | they don't know how that money is used | Nov 12 04:19 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe you give some to your parents | Nov 12 04:19 |
| r_schestowitz | like I and my wife do | Nov 12 04:19 |
| r_schestowitz | and don't know how much exactly | Nov 12 04:19 |
| r_schestowitz | so it's lots of guesswork | Nov 12 04:19 |
| r_schestowitz | and some goes to charities | Nov 12 04:20 |
| msgb11 | I see.. whatever is the case EU and USA track where their citizens spend their money. Even if you pay in cash. | Nov 12 04:21 |
| r_schestowitz | you can make it a lot harder | Nov 12 04:21 |
| r_schestowitz | don't want to talk too much about us, though advertieser don't scan IRC channels | Nov 12 04:21 |
| r_schestowitz | but let's just say that one big annual withdrawal doesn't tell much of the story at all | Nov 12 04:22 |
| msgb11 | it says. because they can now use AI to regognise faces. When you get in a store they scan your face through the survaillance cameras. So it doesn't change that much if you pay in cash or not. | Nov 12 04:23 |
| msgb11 | they can review the cameras to see what you bought and what you paid in cash. | Nov 12 04:23 |
| msgb11 | unless you do your shoppingi in the black market. But why should someone buy his groceries in the black market?? :D | Nov 12 04:24 |
| r_schestowitz | last night I read an article about cash in germany | Nov 12 04:24 |
| r_schestowitz | and why germans love using cash | Nov 12 04:24 |
| r_schestowitz | but not due to privacy | Nov 12 04:24 |
| msgb11 | the nazi state eh? | Nov 12 04:24 |
| r_schestowitz | just better control over their expenditures | Nov 12 04:24 |
| r_schestowitz | [04:23] <msgb11> it says. because they can now use AI to regognise faces. When you get in a store they scan your face through the survaillance cameras. So it doesn't change that much if you pay in cash or not. | Nov 12 04:24 |
| r_schestowitz | no, people wrongly assume these infer ID from pictures | Nov 12 04:25 |
| r_schestowitz | might work in a small town | Nov 12 04:25 |
| msgb11 | yes because if you can't see how much money you have you can never be sure of how much money you have | Nov 12 04:25 |
| r_schestowitz | not big cities, too many people, lots of false positives | Nov 12 04:25 |
| r_schestowitz | in a town of 1000 people you could train a classifier to recognise people | Nov 12 04:26 |
| msgb11 | they record the faces. haven't you heard that in Chine the cops use AI glasses that record whatever they see? They record faces too and they intent to apply that social credit system... | Nov 12 04:26 |
| r_schestowitz | unless it's incestuous, in which case people still look alike | Nov 12 04:26 |
| r_schestowitz | msgb11: they combine that with additional info | Nov 12 04:27 |
| r_schestowitz | like phone, detained people | Nov 12 04:27 |
| msgb11 | classic survailance tactics from authoritarian regimes. but don't think that EU is any better? It is another type of soviet style union | Nov 12 04:27 |
| r_schestowitz | later they can match that to make a case | Nov 12 04:27 |
| r_schestowitz | chinese don't look that much different from one another, with respect to minorities there notwithstanding | Nov 12 04:27 |
| msgb11 | I agree | Nov 12 04:27 |
| r_schestowitz | racial diversity low there | Nov 12 04:27 |
| r_schestowitz | unlike merkel's germany of the UK | Nov 12 04:28 |
| r_schestowitz | *or | Nov 12 04:28 |
| msgb11 | I live for the day that Chinese people will wake up | Nov 12 04:28 |
| r_schestowitz | these things rea even measurable | Nov 12 04:28 |
| r_schestowitz | also fashion differences | Nov 12 04:28 |
| r_schestowitz | beards, glasses, hair styles | Nov 12 04:28 |
| msgb11 | where are you located? | Nov 12 04:28 |
| r_schestowitz | manchester | Nov 12 04:28 |
| msgb11 | greetings from Athens | Nov 12 04:28 |
| r_schestowitz | 0/ | Nov 12 04:29 |
| msgb11 | when are you going to be allowed to make this damn Brexit? | Nov 12 04:29 |
| msgb11 | lol | Nov 12 04:29 |
| msgb11 | Brussels don't want you to leave. lol | Nov 12 04:30 |
| msgb11 | you vote for brexit we vote for grexit but no one is allowed to leave. | Nov 12 04:31 |
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| r_schestowitz | because people here too resist | Nov 12 04:32 |
| r_schestowitz | leaving the EU would make us dependent on corrupt trumpland and its harmful exports | Nov 12 04:33 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe even china, but it's better to trade with china through the eu for logistical reasons | Nov 12 04:33 |
| r_schestowitz | anyway, we're not self-sufficient | Nov 12 04:33 |
| r_schestowitz | and it has come to that | Nov 12 04:33 |
| msgb11 | while now you are ( and we are ) all depended on Merkel's decisions | Nov 12 04:33 |
| r_schestowitz | so we depend on trading... better do that with our close neighbours | Nov 12 04:33 |
| msgb11 | you are more than they allow you to believe | Nov 12 04:34 |
| r_schestowitz | Macron's also | Nov 12 04:34 |
| msgb11 | of course | Nov 12 04:34 |
| msgb11 | these two go together | Nov 12 04:34 |
| msgb11 | in the same package. | Nov 12 04:34 |
| msgb11 | you should leave. Someone has to leave first other wise we are all doomed | Nov 12 04:34 |
| msgb11 | you have 52 countries in your Commonwealth | Nov 12 04:35 |
| msgb11 | and still some colonies. | Nov 12 04:35 |
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| msgb11 | and at the end of the day, personally I would prefer the trumpland from getting orders from Brussels. | Nov 12 04:36 |
| r_schestowitz | wow, really? | Nov 12 04:36 |
| r_schestowitz | that would be like Greece taking marching orders from Erdogan | Nov 12 04:37 |
| r_schestowitz | whom Greece is defended from by EU membership BTW | Nov 12 04:37 |
| r_schestowitz | Turkey=NATO, not EU | Nov 12 04:37 |
| r_schestowitz | Remember what Trumpland did to Greece 50 years agi | Nov 12 04:38 |
| r_schestowitz | IIRC, the Greek hate the US almost more than any other country in the world, maybe except Iran and NK in recent years.. | Nov 12 04:38 |
| msgb11 | you have no idea what EU did to Greece the previous ten years | Nov 12 04:38 |
| r_schestowitz | you got badly hurt by both | Nov 12 04:39 |
| msgb11 | in cooperation of course with the corrupted local political system | Nov 12 04:39 |
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| msgb11 | in any case I personally thinking seriously to immigrate to taiwan. | Nov 12 04:39 |
| msgb11 | the reason that I'm thinking to move to this country is the distance that it has from eu | Nov 12 04:40 |
| r_schestowitz | oh, think again | Nov 12 04:40 |
| r_schestowitz | my wife was there | Nov 12 04:40 |
| r_schestowitz | it's awful if you are not local | Nov 12 04:40 |
| r_schestowitz | expensive, overpopulated | Nov 12 04:40 |
| msgb11 | what about tuvalu? | Nov 12 04:40 |
| msgb11 | or perhaps the easter island? | Nov 12 04:40 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe furthest away lol | Nov 12 04:41 |
| r_schestowitz | british colony-ish | Nov 12 04:41 |
| msgb11 | the longest the distance from eu the best it would be | Nov 12 04:41 |
| r_schestowitz | haha | Nov 12 04:41 |
| r_schestowitz | In Tuvalu you could do facial recognition | Nov 12 04:41 |
| r_schestowitz | population small enough | Nov 12 04:41 |
| r_schestowitz | 11,100 | Nov 12 04:41 |
| msgb11 | at least for me . you see I saw 7 members of my family dying from reasons that would look impossible some years ago. | Nov 12 04:42 |
| msgb11 | I found my self unemployed out of the blue | Nov 12 04:42 |
| r_schestowitz | wow, Tuvalu is very poor | Nov 12 04:42 |
| msgb11 | though I have some quite good qualifications. | Nov 12 04:42 |
| r_schestowitz | gdp of 39 million | Nov 12 04:42 |
| msgb11 | I 've lost my house though I didn't own to a bank or something | Nov 12 04:43 |
| msgb11 | I have no chances to get a job due to age restrictions | Nov 12 04:43 |
| r_schestowitz | the whole country/island can be bought for less than the price of a megayacht | Nov 12 04:43 |
| msgb11 | but I also have no chaces to get a pention either | Nov 12 04:43 |
| msgb11 | I will buy it. | Nov 12 04:43 |
| r_schestowitz | if they let you... | Nov 12 04:44 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe some rfamous pedophile already bought it | Nov 12 04:44 |
| msgb11 | I think tuvalu suits me better than taiwan. At least I will have a carefree time there until they go to the bottom of the ocean due to climate change. | Nov 12 04:44 |
| msgb11 | But then again ... they will not be the first to do so.. | Nov 12 04:44 |
| msgb11 | Atlantians went down too but at least they became a legent LOL | Nov 12 04:45 |
| msgb11 | who epstein perhaps? ha ha ha | Nov 12 04:45 |
| msgb11 | I have the notion that this piece of shit didn't die at all. | Nov 12 04:46 |
| msgb11 | he probably faked his death. Did anyone see his corpse? | Nov 12 04:48 |
| r_schestowitz | taiwan needs factory worjkers | Nov 12 04:51 |
| r_schestowitz | now european techs | Nov 12 04:51 |
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| r_schestowitz | they have more than enough of their own | Nov 12 04:51 |
| r_schestowitz | not european techs | Nov 12 04:51 |
| r_schestowitz | small and remote islands don't do tech much | Nov 12 04:52 |
| r_schestowitz | unless you want to repair their electric grids and such | Nov 12 04:52 |
| r_schestowitz | I imagine they do internet, slowly, over satellite links | Nov 12 04:52 |
| r_schestowitz | with economy being hand-to-mouth fishing and tourism | Nov 12 04:53 |
| r_schestowitz | good for holiday | Nov 12 04:53 |
| r_schestowitz | but not for retirement | Nov 12 04:54 |
| r_schestowitz | you'd need plane access for decent hospital | Nov 12 04:54 |
| r_schestowitz | or even basic medicine | Nov 12 04:54 |
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| r_schestowitz | tourism/hospitality business make it ok for passing by | Nov 12 04:54 |
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| msgb11 | are you still here? | Nov 12 04:59 |
| msgb11 | you said something about techs in taiwan but this damn thing disconnected me. | Nov 12 04:59 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: lot of Australian island business go under even for tourism due to transport costs let alone medical or anything else. | Nov 12 04:59 |
| msgb11 | I'm not interested on tech jobs | Nov 12 05:01 |
| msgb11 | which means? | Nov 12 05:02 |
| r_schestowitz | I can paste | Nov 12 05:02 |
| r_schestowitz | but it's too long for IRC | Nov 12 05:03 |
| r_schestowitz | the gist is | Nov 12 05:03 |
| r_schestowitz | you will find those fun for holiday | Nov 12 05:03 |
| r_schestowitz | unless you need hospital visit etc | Nov 12 05:03 |
| r_schestowitz | it's more remote than Greek islands | Nov 12 05:03 |
| r_schestowitz | Kos, Crete | Nov 12 05:03 |
| r_schestowitz | so it would drain your budget | Nov 12 05:04 |
| r_schestowitz | also see puerto rico post hurricane maria | Nov 12 05:04 |
| msgb11 | the health system here is awful either way | Nov 12 05:04 |
| msgb11 | what about south korea? | Nov 12 05:05 |
| r_schestowitz | hahahahah | Nov 12 05:05 |
| r_schestowitz | so expensive | Nov 12 05:05 |
| r_schestowitz | and very oppressive | Nov 12 05:05 |
| msgb11 | ha ha ha haaaaaaa that was a joke indeed | Nov 12 05:05 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: https://www.domain.com.au/news/queenslands-cheap-and-not-so-cheap-islands-for-sale-20160913-grf09l/ lot of the Australian islands are not that remote yet they have successfully drained people budgets. | Nov 12 05:05 |
| msgb11 | the koreans are trying to get out of there too | Nov 12 05:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.domain.com.au | Queensland’s ‘cheap’ and ‘not so cheap’ islands for sale | Nov 12 05:05 | |
| r_schestowitz | I checked tokyo rent price this year | Nov 12 05:05 |
| msgb11 | south I said not north | Nov 12 05:06 |
| r_schestowitz | it's ridiculous and it's not even a good place to live in | Nov 12 05:06 |
| r_schestowitz | Singapore the same | Nov 12 05:06 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: air and sea freight in small volumes is horrible costly. | Nov 12 05:06 |
| r_schestowitz | south is oppressive also | Nov 12 05:06 |
| msgb11 | tokyo and generally japan is non approachable | Nov 12 05:06 |
| r_schestowitz | spying and all, speech issues | Nov 12 05:06 |
| msgb11 | I agree about japan. | Nov 12 05:06 |
| r_schestowitz | amarsh04 can tell you about japan. he visits often | Nov 12 05:06 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: if you can find a island big enough to have a proper cargo port that you can get a container or two from your costs can be cost effective. | Nov 12 05:07 |
| msgb11 | though japanese are obsessed with whatever has to do with Greece | Nov 12 05:07 |
| msgb11 | but japanese are generally obsessed with everything. | Nov 12 05:07 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: most private islands for sale are no were near normal cargo routes so horrible expensive to live on. | Nov 12 05:07 |
| r_schestowitz | we love greek food, eat that a lot, even this week | Nov 12 05:07 |
| msgb11 | really? what did you eat? | Nov 12 05:07 |
| oiaohm | Or are near normal cargo routes and have no where for a cargo port. | Nov 12 05:08 |
| r_schestowitz | msgb11: maybe the islands known as 'philippines' | Nov 12 05:08 |
| r_schestowitz | if you know which one to choose | Nov 12 05:08 |
| msgb11 | ha ha ha another happy country | Nov 12 05:08 |
| r_schestowitz | the people would at least love you | Nov 12 05:08 |
| msgb11 | which one should I choose perhaps? | Nov 12 05:08 |
| r_schestowitz | negros is OK | Nov 12 05:08 |
| msgb11 | I love people too! | Nov 12 05:08 |
| r_schestowitz | panay | Nov 12 05:08 |
| msgb11 | I haven't heard this island before | Nov 12 05:09 |
| r_schestowitz | they're not expensive | Nov 12 05:09 |
| msgb11 | I'll go to tuvalu to eat sleep and fish | Nov 12 05:09 |
| r_schestowitz | but you need to know which areas and subdivisions | Nov 12 05:09 |
| msgb11 | neiborhoods perhaps? :) | Nov 12 05:10 |
| msgb11 | I'll go to tuvalu. | Nov 12 05:10 |
| msgb11 | so what greek food did you eat today? | Nov 12 05:11 |
| r_schestowitz | it's only 5am | Nov 12 05:12 |
| r_schestowitz | but yogurt this week | Nov 12 05:12 |
| msgb11 | it's only 7 am here | Nov 12 05:13 |
| msgb11 | and I think its time to leave. | Nov 12 05:13 |
| msgb11 | Thanks for the info about the search engine and all | Nov 12 05:13 |
| r_schestowitz | 0// | Nov 12 05:13 |
| msgb11 | I'm might come back another day if you are regular here because I enjoyed the conversation. | Nov 12 05:14 |
| msgb11 | Till then take care. | Nov 12 05:14 |
| msgb11 | bye bye :) | Nov 12 05:14 |
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| MinceR | 12 025533 < oiaohm> MinceR: when you look at the list of recently killed by Microsoft most of those are due to them using Linux more themselves. | Nov 12 07:57 |
| MinceR | their decision | Nov 12 07:57 |
| MinceR | 12 025601 < oiaohm> MinceR: the Linux/Microsoft interaction is absolutely not a one directional street. | Nov 12 07:57 |
| MinceR | yeah, but there's nothing to lose on the m$ side | Nov 12 07:57 |
| MinceR | even if microshit ceased to exist right now, they've done human society tremendous harm and they've sucked a ton of money out of people, many of whom were unwilling, and people love them for this | Nov 12 07:58 |
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| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 12 08:15 |
| r_schestowitz | Great! | Nov 12 08:15 |
| r_schestowitz | Note that Startpage has refused to answer ownership questions and has not been completely transparent in some answers. (See: https://reddit.com/r/StartpageSearch/comments/djshn3/hello_reddit_startpage_mod_team/…) Plus, its somewhat hidden blog post about the sale/investment was rather cagey and could lead people to believe System1 only bought a smidgen of Startpage via the Startpage Holding company. (Because new holding company directors | Nov 12 08:15 |
| r_schestowitz | took office in December 2018 who are associated with System1, it's more likely System1 bought it out completely or bought a majority.) This does not necessarily mean Startpage/System1 is spying on people. | Nov 12 08:15 |
| r_schestowitz | Do I trust new owner/investor System1 to champion privacy? No. Not at all. All you have to do is look at the products System1 pimps as privacy and security products. They talk a good game, but the privacy policies tell the story. Plus, System1 is one of the largest pay-per-click companies in the world. Would you trust a pay-per-click behavioral advertising company with your personal information? Hell no! Not without ongoing oversight. | Nov 12 08:15 |
| r_schestowitz | The lack of answers to questions posted at reddit have eroded all my trust. But at this time, we have no hard evidence of any violation of the privacy policy. We may never have that proof because of NDA's, personnel changes and unpublished code. | Nov 12 08:15 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 12 08:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hello Reddit - Startpage Mod Team : StartpageSearch | Nov 12 08:15 | |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/BTIlZqZ.jpg | Nov 12 08:23 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/EkqgTaG.png | Nov 12 08:29 |
| scientes | XRevan86, Bolivia==coup! | Nov 12 08:39 |
| scientes | and I was just there | Nov 12 08:41 |
| scientes | the place was doing good, and there were posters of the pro-US presidental candidate everywhere "my hands are clean" which was really creepy | Nov 12 08:42 |
| scientes | Evo then won and I guess that was just too much | Nov 12 08:42 |
| scientes | holy fuck, I had no idea there were neo-Nazis outside europe https://twitter.com/GrayzoneProject/status/1194133424975613952/video/1 | Nov 12 08:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GrayzoneProject: @MaxBlumenthal @BenjaminNorton The rich oligarch leader of Bolivia's right-wing coup, Luis Fernando Camacho, was th… https://t.co/7cwXfH9S2j | Nov 12 08:43 | |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Saw an article about it yesterday | Nov 12 11:21 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Caught me by surprise, I thought Bolivia is doing fine | Nov 12 11:22 |
| r_schestowitz | Evo supports w | Nov 12 11:32 |
| r_schestowitz | Wikileaks | Nov 12 11:32 |
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| scientes | <XRevan86> scientes: Caught me by surprise, I thought Bolivia is doing fine | Nov 12 13:54 |
| scientes | It was | Nov 12 13:54 |
| scientes | I was in La Paz | Nov 12 13:54 |
| scientes | there were some med students from Santa Cruz that were anti-Evo, but they didn't have any reason when you asked them | Nov 12 13:55 |
| scientes | all I could imagine is that they wanted to be corrupt US-style doctors | Nov 12 13:56 |
| scientes | I was there 2 days before the re-election | Nov 12 13:57 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, Evo Morales was _extremely_ generous. There were old women on the streets of La Paz that were selling their daughter's nutrition gifts that their daughter's got because they had a baby | Nov 12 14:04 |
| scientes | as it contained high-priced items like cheese | Nov 12 14:04 |
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| scientes | he also built that killer gondola public transit in La Paz | Nov 12 14:05 |
| scientes | it was better than what Peru's nutrition program, and Bolivia is a much poorer country | Nov 12 14:06 |
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| XRevan86 | https://i.imgur.com/Alp2ctT.jpg | Nov 12 15:43 |
| XRevan86 | Boy that's bad, "PHP thinks you have typing too weak" bad | Nov 12 15:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Let's see how it will all work out… I doubt Bolivia will suddenly turn into a libertarian paradise. | Nov 12 15:47 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe something along the lines of Pinochet's Chile? Now that'd be cute… | Nov 12 15:50 |
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| r_schestowitz | XRevan86: haha | Nov 12 16:08 |
| r_schestowitz | I like the imaghe | Nov 12 16:08 |
| r_schestowitz | image even | Nov 12 16:08 |
| XRevan86 | https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/sort | Nov 12 16:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.mozilla.org | Array.prototype.sort() - JavaScript | MDN | Nov 12 16:10 | |
| XRevan86 | Even a demo here has this %) | Nov 12 16:10 |
| XRevan86 | > In a numeric sort, 9 comes before 80, but because numbers are converted to strings, "80" comes before "9" in the Unicode order. | Nov 12 16:11 |
| XRevan86 | Not a single mention on how to change this behaviour | Nov 12 16:14 |
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| scientes | <XRevan86> Not a single mention on how to change this behaviour | Nov 12 18:42 |
| scientes | who would ever need that? | Nov 12 18:42 |
| scientes | post-soviets are more into pretending they are rich than south americans are | Nov 12 18:45 |
| scientes | XRevan86, i believe 10.1 is also less than 10 | Nov 12 18:50 |
| scientes | in javascript | Nov 12 18:50 |
| scientes | but i might be wrong | Nov 12 18:50 |
| scientes | oh no, i'm wrong | Nov 12 18:51 |
| scientes | XRevan86, it does | Nov 12 18:52 |
| scientes | To compare numbers instead of strings, the compare function can simply subtract b from a. The following function will sort the array in ascending order (if it doesn't contain Infinity and NaN): | Nov 12 18:52 |
| scientes | but if leaves the edge conditions as a excercise to the reader (and doesn't mention negative zero either) | Nov 12 18:52 |
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