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● Nov 12
[00:11]	DaemonFC	@BaronHK
[00:11]	DaemonFC	It's an interesting thing about Communism and Capitalism.
[00:11]	DaemonFC	In East Germany in the 70s, there was a coffee shortage. Everyone got rations, and eventually the government started mixing it with chicory.
[00:11]	DaemonFC	In the US, coffee prices went up 40% in the past year, and they let you figure out how much coffee you can afford, since your wages only went up 3-5%.
[00:11]	DaemonFC	"Capitalism" doesn't need rationing stamps when they can just make the price higher and higher until only rich people can buy much of it.
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[00:24]	MinceR	you can get real coffee if you can afford it
[00:24]	MinceR	you can buy chicory if you want to
[00:25]	MinceR	in stalinism, only the Inner Party comrades get to have real coffee
[00:25]	MinceR	and the slaves pay for it
[00:25]	reptilian_thrills	<MinceR> you can buy chicory if you want to <- you can leave chicory behind
[00:25]	reptilian_thrills	cause your friends dont drink coffee and if they dont drink coffee then theyre, no friends of mine
[00:26]	MinceR	:)
[00:26]	reptilian_thrills	actually if they drink tea theyre okay
[00:27]	reptilian_thrills	especially if its safe-tea
[00:27]	reptilian_thrills	is it safe-tea dance? is it safe-tea dance? is it safe-tea dance?
[00:28]	reptilian_thrills	does chicory even have caffiene? because if youre denying caffeine to most of your workforce, you should just reload and shoot the other foot
[00:29]	reptilian_thrills	also if youre going to concentrate all state power into one person-- that person should NEVER drink anything with caffeine
[00:29]	MinceR	:>
[00:29]	MinceR	afaik it doesn't
[00:29]	MinceR	but in stalinism, it doesn't really matter
[00:30]	reptilian_thrills	stupid man
[00:30]	MinceR	your workforce isn't putting the effort in anyway
[00:30]	reptilian_thrills	"we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us"
[00:30]	MinceR	pretty much no one is motivated to put the effort in
[00:30]	MinceR	in part due to lack of competition
[00:30]	MinceR	in part due to political leadership
[00:30]	MinceR	in part due to oppression
[00:31]	MinceR	and even the tools and raw materials suck because they're produced under the same conditions
[00:32]	reptilian_thrills	in part due to lack of competition <- honestly though, quite a lot of work was done
[00:32]	MinceR	poorly
[00:32]	reptilian_thrills	that was mandatory
[00:32]	reptilian_thrills	in part due to political leadership <- in part due to oppression <- i think these were larger factors
[00:34]	DaemonFC	The Illinois Purge Law is coming.
[00:34]	DaemonFC	Goes into effect January 1st.
[00:34]	DaemonFC	That should be fun.
[00:35]	reptilian_thrills	one of the things that failed about stalinism is the workers should have been armed
[00:35]	reptilian_thrills	i dont think stalin would have stayed in power then
[00:36]	MinceR	stalin wouldn't have survived long then
[00:36]	reptilian_thrills	exactly :)
[00:36]	reptilian_thrills	and thats a feature
[00:36]	DaemonFC	Now that the Democrats have held onto the state Supreme Court (barely) they can uphold the Purge Law.
[00:36]	reptilian_thrills	but also, its hard to oppress a workforce when theyre all armed
[00:36]	reptilian_thrills	even if work is mandatory
[00:36]	DaemonFC	And the one that disarms the victims (FOID).
[00:36]	reptilian_thrills	because you can only push them hard enough that they dont start shooting at you
[00:37]	reptilian_thrills	also, guns do things besides shoot people
[00:38]	MinceR	guns don't shoot people
[00:38]	reptilian_thrills	if everyone simply points one at a boss who is... frankly shit, 
[00:38]	reptilian_thrills	hey hi guns shoot people
[00:38]	MinceR	people shoot bullets at people
[00:38]	MinceR	with guns
[00:39]	reptilian_thrills	"we... are dicks... and these guys... are assholes..."
[00:39]	MinceR	keep firing, assholes!
[00:39]	reptilian_thrills	 if everyone simply points one at a boss who is... frankly shit, that boss may decide wisely to simply leave and not come back
[00:40]	reptilian_thrills	he can explain to his superiors (or whomever) that he was replaced
[00:41]	reptilian_thrills	if you go far enough left you get your guns back
[00:41]	reptilian_thrills	or at least some of them
[00:41]	MinceR	i just go toward the liberal/libertarian extreme
[00:41]	reptilian_thrills	i tried that
[00:42]	reptilian_thrills	you stop watching them for a few years most of them end up leaning fascist
[00:42]	reptilian_thrills	or becoming marxist
[00:42]	MinceR	don't stop watching, i guess
[00:43]	reptilian_thrills	i mean im happy when the world has more people that actually care about freedom
[00:43]	reptilian_thrills	its when they dont really care that i dont know what theyre good for
[00:44]	reptilian_thrills	i tried to find libertarians that really care, im not saying they dont exist
[00:44]	reptilian_thrills	i still know people who claim to be in that camp
[00:44]	reptilian_thrills	you, leah, ariadne
[00:44]	reptilian_thrills	im less sure there really is a camp
[00:44]	reptilian_thrills	i know when i considered myself in it, i wasnt lying
[00:45]	reptilian_thrills	but im not sure the camp i thought it was in really exists either
[00:46]	reptilian_thrills	like most of the libertarians you knew at one point are probably hoping for some kind of ethnostate now
[00:47]	reptilian_thrills	i dont know, im only that critical based on your description of hungary
[00:47]	reptilian_thrills	and how familiar it sounds
[00:47]	reptilian_thrills	it could be way different than that
[00:48]	reptilian_thrills	when i was in europe i was hoping it would be more different than it was :/
[00:49]	reptilian_thrills	education is way better, i hear
[00:49]	reptilian_thrills	and more affordable too
[00:50]	reptilian_thrills	and the problems are similar, except better healthcare
[00:51]	reptilian_thrills	everything still runs on oil, money and war
[00:51]	MinceR	i've heard ethnostate fantasies from people, but i don't think i ever mistook them for a liberal/libertarian
[00:51]	reptilian_thrills	i don't think i ever mistook them for a liberal/libertarian <- theyre not at all
[00:51]	reptilian_thrills	somehow people get bored with freedom and the fascists recruit them
[00:51]	reptilian_thrills	and youd think they would be smarter than that
[00:52]	reptilian_thrills	but if everyone was smarter, there wouldnt be any fascists
[00:52]	reptilian_thrills	maybe theyd stop supporting such nonsense. maybe theyd shoot them
[00:52]	reptilian_thrills	either one would be an improvement
[00:53]	reptilian_thrills	its certainly not something they teach in schools
[00:54]	reptilian_thrills	"now, if you see a fascist, heres what you should do. first, make sure your gun is loaded..."
[00:54]	MinceR	it would be nice to have a gun
[00:54]	MinceR	but there are way too many fascists in hungary anyway
[00:54]	reptilian_thrills	guns could help with that
[00:54]	MinceR	yeah
[00:55]	MinceR	and good armor, and a lot of ammo
[00:55]	reptilian_thrills	and good planning
[00:56]	reptilian_thrills	itll probably happen eventually. fuck knows when ofc
[00:57]	reptilian_thrills	fascism like all authoritarianism, tends to make lots of promises
[00:57]	reptilian_thrills	you cant argue with the promises, because its authoritarian
[00:57]	reptilian_thrills	but eventually, enough people see the promises were bullshit
[00:57]	reptilian_thrills	then the tide turns against the fascists. but like i said, fuck knows when
[00:58]	reptilian_thrills	step 1: kill the darkies
[00:58]	reptilian_thrills	step 2: ?????
[00:58]	reptilian_thrills	step 3: run the country properly
[00:58]	MinceR	the way i expect the tide to turn against the fascists is by 1) the fascists being the majority (probably already the case) and 2) the tide turns against all of humanity
[00:58]	MinceR	(2) is coming
[00:58]	reptilian_thrills	they get stuck on step 2. they often get stuck on step 1, because it pisses the world off
[00:58]	MinceR	and the no one will be able to handle it
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● Nov 12
[01:00]	reptilian_thrills	the premise of fawlty towers was based on a real hotel owner
[01:00]	reptilian_thrills	who insisted he could run the hotel properly if it werent for the guests 
[01:00]	reptilian_thrills	the third reich ran on a much more extreme and elaborate version of that premise-- indeed all fascism does
[01:02]	MinceR	:>
[01:02]	MinceR	reminds me of MAV (hungarian state railway)
[01:02]	MinceR	about whom it's often stated that they have five enemies
[01:02]	MinceR	the four seasons and the passengers
[01:02]	reptilian_thrills	greyhound (buses) are like that too
[01:02]	reptilian_thrills	its like a gulag on wheels
[01:03]	MinceR	BKK/BKV (the chucklefucks responsible for what would be public transport in budapest, if it worked) are similar
[01:03]	reptilian_thrills	the nazi punchcard system was inspired by the american census
[01:04]	reptilian_thrills	the american census in turn was inspired by actual railway cards...
[01:04]	reptilian_thrills	before and after the third reich, transport was very close to home on this issue
[01:04]	MinceR	s/the no/then no/
[01:04]	reptilian_thrills	what good is moving people from a to b if you cant make them entirely miserable while you do it
[01:05]	reptilian_thrills	people would try to reuse tickets
[01:05]	MinceR	and then they wonder why people prefer commuting in their own cars instead
[01:05]	reptilian_thrills	so they punched cards for hair colour, eye colour, sex etc
[01:05]	reptilian_thrills	so that if you got a card to reuse, it probably didnt match you anyway
[01:06]	reptilian_thrills	and was thus useless
[01:06]	reptilian_thrills	this inspired hollerith when he worked on the american census
[01:06]	reptilian_thrills	then they wonder why people prefer commuting in their own cars instead <- dont they though
[01:11]	DaemonFC	@BaronHK
[01:11]	DaemonFC	@DunksDoneDaily I'd be  worried about my personal info if I was ever on Twitter.
[01:11]	DaemonFC	Long before Elon Musk and Saudis bought it, JWZ showed how an "employment background check" company printed out(!) like 500 pages of tweets that a candidate had ever made, liked, or replied to, and flagged them under "bad language", "violent", "drugs/alcohol", "sex", "gambling", and so on.
[01:11]	DaemonFC	You don't need a court record to become unemployable anymore. You just need to have a Twitter record, that you created.
[01:14]	DaemonFC	@BaronHK
[01:14]	DaemonFC	It's kind of funny, how people "engage" on Twitter and there's some total parasite scraping it to rat on you to your boss.
[01:14]	DaemonFC	They make it look like anyone who uses Twitter much is a chainsmoking, whoremongering, alcoholic, and a compulsive gambler, and then say they're too risky to hire. 
[01:14]	DaemonFC	Glad I'm not on Twitter. In a bad economy, let some PHB going through this shit DISQUALIFY someone else.
[01:15]	MinceR	probably also applicable to the other crap like dumbFuckBook too
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[01:20]	DaemonFC	@BaronHK
[01:20]	DaemonFC	CNN: In less than a week, some Buttcoin billionaire lost over $13 billion of $16.8 billion worth of "value" out of Dunning-Kruger Tokens.
[01:20]	DaemonFC	They're a hedge against inflation though! /s 
[01:20]	DaemonFC	Why lose 8% of your dollars in a year when you can lose 80% of your "Crypto fortune" in a week?
[01:20]	DaemonFC	I keep my liquid assets in a high interest online savings account and money I definitely won't need for a while in US Savings Bonds, Series I.
[01:20]	DaemonFC	These people who told me I was the idiot....
[01:20]	reptilian_thrills	fb breaks the rules about how to stay safe onlin
[01:20]	reptilian_thrills	only the fsf warned people
[01:21]	reptilian_thrills	the junkies were like ITS MY BODY ILL DO WHAT I WANT, COMMIES!
[01:21]	reptilian_thrills	and the corporations were like "yeah! commies!"
[01:21]	reptilian_thrills	back when the fsf actually warned people about shit designed to control them :)
[01:21]	reptilian_thrills	instead of promoting it
[01:30]	MinceR	:>
[01:33]	DaemonFC	@BaronHK
[01:33]	DaemonFC	One of the problems with Chicago is that it's being overrun by hipsters, everywhere. 
[01:33]	DaemonFC	They come here and they have no sense of the culture and are just turning it into San Francisco with bad weather.
[01:33]	DaemonFC	Crime, high rent, etc.
[01:33]	DaemonFC	One of the things they ruined was the food. 
[01:33]	DaemonFC	One of the best things about Chicago has always been the food, but the hipsters don't care for it and run those businesses out.
[01:33]	DaemonFC	There's a cafeteria restaurant in Hyde Park that Obama liked that's very good. Hope it survives.
[01:41]	DaemonFC	@BaronHK
[01:41]	DaemonFC	@dr_g_e_e 
[01:41]	DaemonFC	Tesla owners are the absolute worst. Luckily, let the punishment fit the crime. They got a Tesla.
[01:41]	DaemonFC	3 years of Chicago winter and the bottom of it has things rusting and falling off. 
[01:41]	DaemonFC	There are old Nazi submarines that have been at the bottom of the ocean since 1943 that are less rusted.
[01:41]	DaemonFC	Not that the Tesla had any sort of quality to it from the factory. 
[01:41]	DaemonFC	I forced one that was trying to cut me off onto the ramp to Indiana the other day. Hope he charged his battery.
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● Nov 12
[02:05]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/11/tech/twitter-chaos-musk/index.html
[02:05]	TR Bot	day of chaos brings Twitter closer to the brink | CNN Business
[02:05]	DaemonFC	@elonmusk, from one entrepreneur to another, for when you have your customer service hat on. I just spent too much time muting all the newly purchased checkmark accts in an attempt to make my verified mentions useful again, tweeted billionaire Mark Cuban.
[02:05]	DaemonFC	Bottom line is that you have a decision to make, Cuban added. Stick with the new Twitter that democratizes every tweet by paid accounts and puts the onus on all users to curate for themselves. Or bring back Twitter curation. One makes Twitter time and information efficient. The other is awful.
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[02:33]	reptilian_thrills	anyone know whats going on with the incompetent archive
[02:34]	reptilian_thrills	answered my own question there
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[02:57]	MinceR	maybe they can't afford to provide the capacity that's needed
[02:57]	MinceR	they are asking for donations
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● Nov 12
[03:02]	IPFS	 Gemini requests since start of month:  145834 total Total number of pages in capsule: 43412      Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-08-04 09:15:14 BST; 3 months 8 days ago
[03:02]	reptilian_thrills	id love to give them my 2 cents
[03:02]	reptilian_thrills	theyve been fucking that thing up the back with a traffic cone for years
[03:03]	MinceR	:>
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[03:05]	reptilian_thrills	"if you do things OUR WAY charlie brown, we wont lift the ball anymore when you go to kick it"
[03:05]	reptilian_thrills	"you always say you wont and then you do it anyway"
[03:06]	reptilian_thrills	"thats just because you havent listened to our ideas"
[03:06]	reptilian_thrills	"you mean kowtowed to your demands"
[03:06]	reptilian_thrills	"just try it, charlie brown"
[03:06]	reptilian_thrills	/me caves to all the corporations "ideas" about it and goes to kick the ball
[03:07]	reptilian_thrills	/me kicks nothing but air when lucy lifts the ball anyway
[03:07]	reptilian_thrills	"why did you do that?"
[03:07]	reptilian_thrills	"its what i do, charlie brown. thanks for making sure the internet archive is even worse to use than ever. now maybe people wont even bother."
[03:08]	reptilian_thrills	and now they want money. why dont they just ask the sponsors who convinced them to ruin the thing?
[03:08]	reptilian_thrills	ive been waiting for years for them to get it right. wanna guess what they do instead?
[03:09]	reptilian_thrills	yeah, theyre not content to leave it merely fucked
[03:09]	reptilian_thrills	we might eventually find ways around THAT
[03:09]	reptilian_thrills	/me checks if the call letters on the lolita express were 501C3
[03:09]	reptilian_thrills	its time to ask for donations. who wants to pay to get fucked?
[03:10]	reptilian_thrills	"but we have all your data!"
[03:10]	reptilian_thrills	yeah, so does twitter and facebook, but they arent asking me for money
[03:11]	reptilian_thrills	go kahle yourselves
[03:13]	reptilian_thrills	i wanna give money to an organisation that puts drm on BOOKS and makes everything a bit worse for users each year
[03:13]	reptilian_thrills	i wanna PAY THEM to DO THAT
[03:14]	MinceR	:>
[03:14]	AdmFubar	kahle?
[03:14]	reptilian_thrills	hell, while im at it, why dont i sell my arse on the street and give the proceeds to the fsf?
[03:14]	reptilian_thrills	then they can find a way for ibm to profit off every free software users misery and enslave developers like its 1939
[03:15]	reptilian_thrills	free as in fiefdom
[03:18]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Amazon UK has Oral B toothbrush heads really cheap. Like $2.48 each. Walmart sells them for $8 each here and that's in the multipacks.
[03:19]	DaemonFC	I still haven't figured out why they're so cheap in the UK, but I buy them from there because the only difference seems to be the box says "Clean Maximiser" instead of "Precision Clean".
[03:19]	DaemonFC	They fit the toothbrushes they sell in the US.
[03:19]	DaemonFC	:P
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[03:59]	TR Bot	 Elon Musks Twitter Timeline: How to Piss Away $44 Billion
● Nov 12
[04:06]	DaemonFC	Don Melton is now on Mastodon. He was Apple's team lead on Safari for the first couple of years.
[04:07]	starstreak	linucks btw
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[04:29]	reptilian_thrills	linucks torvalds
[04:29]	reptilian_thrills	(lts)
[04:36]	MinceR	systemd btw
[04:51]	reptilian_thrills	systemd, your sadistic tpm extension microsoft directs
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[05:13]	DaemonFC	CNN is inching along.
[05:13]	DaemonFC	Looks like the Democrats will now have at least 215 in the House.
[05:13]	DaemonFC	That's where the good news seems to end.
[05:13]	DaemonFC	They can maybe get 216, or 217, but that's going to push it.
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[05:48]	TR News	 (NEW): #HowTo Install Packages from AUR in Arch Linux [Beginner's Guide] http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/How_to_Install_Packages_from_AUR_in_Arch_Linux_Beginner_s_Guide.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/How_to_Install_Packages_from_AUR_in_Arch_Linux_Beginner_s_Guide.gmi 
[05:48]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines How to Install Packages from AUR in Arch Linux [Beginner's Guide]
[05:53]	TR News	Laura Tucker shilling unethical surveillance devices because this is WEBSPAM, not an actual article https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/ring-video-doorbell-wired/
[05:53]	TR Bot	 Get a Ring Video Doorbell Wired for Just $40 - Make Tech Easier
[05:55]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/11/southeast-us-has-hit-the-roof-of-cdcs-respiratory-illness-level-scale/
[05:55]	TR Bot	 Southeast US has hit the roof of CDCs respiratory illness level scale | Ars Technica
[05:56]	TR News	"So this person recently left Windows for Linux. Lets see why and how they are adjusting to it" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=SypUC1yuJ4I
[05:57]	TR Bot	 I Left Windows For Linux! *Reaction* - Invidious
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	AdmFubar: also north
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	from what I have read
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	pandemic or not, there is a health crisis still
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	here it's a cardiac one
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	and not just here
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	some link that to the boost uptake
[05:57]	schestowitz[TR]	*booster
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR]	shaep increase of emergency calls fr cardiac problems
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR]	in the uk, repiratory issues
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR]	and it's only november
[05:59]	TR News	"This week in Privacy News, a new Australian bill suggests fines against tech companies over seas...for over seas customers. Also, police would get access to GPS data easier." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=dfiTZmP6UpY
[05:59]	TR Bot	 Apple Tracks Everything You Do in the App Store - Invidious
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[05:59]	TR News	"In this video I discuss the tracking that Apple does in the App Store on iOS devices and the extreme tracking efforts apple services will use (such as bypassing VPNs)." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oCmNbNhppHo
[05:59]	TR Bot	 Ads and Tracking is Getting Worse on iPhones - Invidious
● Nov 12
[06:00]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/today_s_howtos.gmi 
[06:00]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[06:00]	TR News	"Snapshots take 150-250 GB, 18.06 releases take 249 GB, 19.07 takes 342 GB, 21.02 takes 454 GB, and 22.03 takes 462 GB so far." https://openwrt.org/downloads?rev=1668206694&do=diff
[06:00]	TR Bot	 [OpenWrt Wiki] Downloads
[06:03]	TR News	No Batteries Required: Why the Bike Messenger Persists https://tedium.co/2022/11/12/bike-messenger-culture-nyc/
[06:03]	TR Bot	 No Batteries Required: Why the Bike Messenger Persists
[06:05]	TR News	Ewwww.... David Delony promotes Microsoft's attacks on GNU/Linux" systemd in WSL. This is NOT helping GNU/Linux. It's helping those who attack it.
[06:07]	TR News	 (NEW): First Release Candidate of Grml version 2022.11 available http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/First_Release_Candidate_of_Grml_version_2022_11_available.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/First_Release_Candidate_of_Grml_version_2022_11_available.gmi 
[06:07]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines First Release Candidate of Grml version 2022.11 available
[06:09]	DaemonFC	@BaronHK
[06:09]	DaemonFC	The worst thing by far that GNOME does is their Software Center, which claims that I need to reboot because Firefox has an update available. 
[06:09]	DaemonFC	Nobody has ever gone and put in work that flags what is a system package and actually needs a reboot, so I still mostly ignore GNOME Software and update things with dnf.
[06:09]	DaemonFC	But it's not a good look to people who want off of Windows when it appears like they have to reboot for every single package.
[06:11]	TR News	UPDATED: OSI, funded by Microsoft, is constantly writing about "AI" to make it seem OK that Microsoft attacks Free/Open Source software under the banner of "AI". http://techrights.org/2022/11/10/osi-focusing-on-legal-aspects-of-hey-hi/
[06:11]	TR Bot	 Microsoft is Sued for Copyright Violations (Under Guise of AI) and Microsoft-Bribed Open Source Initiative Backs the Infringer, Microsoft | Techrights
[06:12]	TR News	OSI actively PARTICIPATES in Microsoft crimes now. While bagging Microsoft bribes. OSI would be better off just dead at this point.
[06:12]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos: Moving From Windows to GNU/Linux and Linux Vlogger on Apple Spyware http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Videos_Moving_From_Windows_to_GNU_Linux_and_Linux_Vlogger_on_Ap.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Videos_Moving_From_Windows_to_GNU_Linux_and_Linux_Vlogger_on_Ap.gmi 
[06:12]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos: Moving From Windows to GNU/Linux and Linux Vlogger on Apple Spyware
[06:13]	TR News	"To fund further development of GNU Taler, Taler Systems SA is still looking for investors. Our chief moral officer has recorded a special business pitch for those that are interested." https://taler.net/en/news/2022-11.html
[06:13]	TR Bot	 GNU Taler
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[06:19]	TR News	 (NEW): Taler Systems SA is looking for investors http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Taler_Systems_SA_is_looking_for_investors.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Taler_Systems_SA_is_looking_for_investors.gmi 
[06:19]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Taler Systems SA is looking for investors
[06:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[06:22]	TR News	New Video From RMS: Richard Stallmans Business Pitch for Taler Systems SA | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/12/business-pitch-for-taler/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/12/business-pitch-for-taler/
[06:22]	TR Bot	 New Video From RMS: Richard Stallmans Business Pitch for Taler Systems SA | Techrights
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[06:24]	TR News	Join us at UbuCon Asia in Seoul this November! | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/join-ubucon-asia-seoul-november-2022 Source: Ubuntu | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntu.com//blog/join-ubucon-asia-seoul-november-2022
[06:24]	TR Bot	us at UbuCon Asia in Seoul this November! | Ubuntu
[06:26]	TR News	 (NEW): The Wine development release 7.21 is now available. http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/The_Wine_development_release_7_21_is_now_available.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/The_Wine_development_release_7_21_is_now_available.gmi 
[06:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines The Wine development release 7.21 is now available.
[06:29]	TR News	"Heres your weekly Fedora report. Read what happened this week and whats coming up. Your contributions are welcome (see the end of the post)!" https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2022-45/
[06:29]	TR Bot	 Friday's Fedora Facts: 2022-45 Fedora Community Blog
[06:29]	TR News	New Fedora artwork https://www.madelinepeck.com/blog/2022/11/8/11922-weekly-update
[06:29]	TR Bot	 11/9/22 Weekly Update Madeline Peck
[06:30]	TR News	"The Malayalam serif font RIT Rachana and its sans-serif counterpart MeeraNew have enjoyed a wide array of improvements in the past months; and are available now for download and use." https://rajeeshknambiar.wordpress.com/2022/11/12/rit-rachana-meeranew-fonts-version-1-4-released/
[06:30]	TR Bot	 RIT Rachana & MeeraNew fonts version 1.4 released Soliloquies
[06:31]	TR News	What is the Purpose of /etc/hosts File in Linux <p class="dropcap-first"> <a class="readon" title="Linux Handbook" href="https://linuxhandbook.com/etc-hosts-file/">Read on</a>
[06:31]	TR Bot	 What is the Purpose of /etc/hosts File in Linux
[06:31]	TR News	 (NEW): $60.00 Orange Pi 5 SBC available for pre-order http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/_60_00_Orange_Pi_5_SBC_available_for_pre_order.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/_60_00_Orange_Pi_5_SBC_available_for_pre_order.gmi 
[06:31]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines $60.00 Orange Pi 5 SBC available for pre-order
[06:33]	TR News	Windows has no drivers. Microsoft is now mooching off the work of Linux volunteers. https://www.techradar.com/news/old-printer-not-working-with-windows-11-try-this
[06:33]	TR Bot	printer not working with Windows 11? Try this | TechRadar
[06:34]	TR News	Sir Christopher Chope, MP for Christchurch https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/11/11/cardio-safety/
[06:34]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Sir Christopher Chope, MP for Christchurch, on Covid-19 Vaccines Safety
[06:39]	TR News	 (NEW): Fedora: Facts, Artwork, and Fonts http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Fedora_acts_Artwork_and_Fonts.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Fedora_acts_Artwork_and_Fonts.gmi 
[06:39]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Fedora: Facts, Artwork, and Fonts
[06:56]	TR News	Moments ago Taler wrote: To fund further development of GNU Taler, Taler Systems SA is still looking for investors. Our chief moral officer has recorded a special business pitch for those that are interested. http://techrights.org/2022/11/12/business-pitch-for-taler/
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[07:01]	TR News	An industrial-strength slap for a pet Labor project - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/an-industrial-strength-slap-for-a-pet-labor-project/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/an-industrial-strength-slap-for-a-pet-labor-project/
[07:01]	TR Bot	 An industrial-strength slap for a pet Labor project - Michael West
[07:02]	TR News	Building a TidyModels classification model from scratch and deploying with Vetiver - Hutsons-hacks https://hutsons-hacks.info/building-a-tidymodels-classification-model-from-scratch-and-deploying-with-vetiver
[07:02]	TR Bot	 Building a TidyModels classification model from scratch and deploying with Vetiver Hutsons-hacks
[07:03]	TR News	App Bankruptcy https://chrishannah.me/app-bankruptcy/
[07:03]	TR Bot	 App Bankruptcy
[07:04]	TR News	"After spending 2020 watching every episode of Frasier, we thought we'd binge watch its predecessor sitcom "Cheers". It's a tough watch." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/11/cheers-is-hell/
[07:04]	TR Bot	 Cheers is Hell Terence Edens Blog
[07:05]	DaemonFC	@BaronHK
[07:05]	DaemonFC	I was talking to mom on the phone and mentioned how Braun rips Americans off for electric toothbrush heads that are so cheap in the UK and she made a good point.
[07:05]	DaemonFC	They probably saw Camilla and figured nobody there would pay.
[07:05]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], ^ 
[07:05]	TR News	"There was no waiting in a liminal space while receptionists worked out how to let me in the building" https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/11/job-leaving-rituals-in-the-wfh-era/
[07:05]	TR Bot	 Job leaving rituals in the WFH era Terence Edens Blog
[07:08]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: you could use a trimmer
[07:08]	schestowitz[TR]	oh, wait
[07:08]	schestowitz[TR]	you mean toothbrush, not shaver
[07:09]	schestowitz[TR]	electric toothbrushes always seemed like a highly-marketed gimmick
[07:10]	DaemonFC	They actually do a better job.
[07:10]	DaemonFC	The rotating head ones do.
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[07:12]	DaemonFC	They remove somewhat more plaque which leads to less tartar buildup.
[07:13]	DaemonFC	If you're getting regular dental cleanings every 6 months, I suppose you could get away with a cheap-o brush, but they're not ideal.
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[07:14]	schestowitz[TR]	that is what the marketing says
[07:14]	DaemonFC	That said, you can get an entry level Braun that has the important feature (it runs the standard heads) for $13 and you can use AA batteries in it.
[07:14]	schestowitz[TR]	the force they apply is less than a palm's
[07:14]	DaemonFC	The replacement heads are $2.44 each from the UK.
[07:14]	schestowitz[TR]	i use two brushes in tandem, two hands
[07:14]	DaemonFC	So that's not really all that different, economically, than a regular toothbrush.
[07:14]	schestowitz[TR]	in the past 2 brushes in each but not anymore
[07:15]	schestowitz[TR]	the "everything is an app" mindset -> everything as appliance
[07:15]	schestowitz[TR]	<DaemonFC> So that's not really all that different, economically, than a regular toothbrush.
[07:15]	schestowitz[TR]	<DaemonFC> I was talking to mom on the phone and mentioned how Braun rips Americans off for electric toothbrush heads that are so cheap in the UK and she made a good point.
[07:15]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I never would have bought the "6000 series" had I not gotten it marked WAY down.
[07:15]	DaemonFC	I would never spend $120 on a handle.
[07:15]	schestowitz[TR]	they have proprietary heads
[07:15]	schestowitz[TR]	and can change prices at any times
[07:15]	schestowitz[TR]	same with proprietary razors
[07:16]	DaemonFC	They can't change prices on the 10 years worth of heads I already bought from you guys.
[07:16]	DaemonFC	Their patent on this head expired, which is why they're going to the "iO series".
[07:17]	DaemonFC	Different head. More patents.
[07:17]	schestowitz[TR]	<DaemonFC> They can't change prices on the 10 years worth of heads I already bought from you guys.
[07:17]	schestowitz[TR]	bad idea
[07:17]	DaemonFC	There's already generic Oral B standard heads.
[07:17]	schestowitz[TR]	unless you also buy many handles
[07:17]	schestowitz[TR]	which would be expensive
[07:17]	schestowitz[TR]	if they stop manufacturing, your heads become duds
[07:17]	DaemonFC	The handles tend to work for a long time.
[07:18]	schestowitz[TR]	sounds like you overcomplicated your life
[07:18]	DaemonFC	I've had two Braun handles and one got me from 2005 to 2011 before it crapped out.
[07:18]	schestowitz[TR]	btw, we checked toothpaste prices again last night at a store
[07:18]	schestowitz[TR]	they rip off everyone
[07:18]	schestowitz[TR]	all the brands
[07:18]	schestowitz[TR]	and you can see shrinklation
[07:18]	schestowitz[TR]	comgaste now does tubes of 75ml
[07:18]	schestowitz[TR]	used to be 125ml and 250k
[07:18]	DaemonFC	Arm & Hammer is $1.53 right now with rebate.
[07:18]	schestowitz[TR]	then 100ml
[07:18]	DaemonFC	6 ounces.
[07:18]	schestowitz[TR]	now even 75ml
[07:18]	schestowitz[TR]	and not even cheapo
[07:19]	DaemonFC	I throw toothpaste into the closet as it goes on rebate.
[07:19]	schestowitz[TR]	in the past you could buy many dozens of tubes for just 50p
[07:19]	schestowitz[TR]	100 or 125ml
[07:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[07:20]	DaemonFC	I've bought so much toothpaste before that it actually expired on me.
[07:20]	DaemonFC	Kept using it. All that happens is about a year after the expirating date, you start getting a little separation.
[07:20]	DaemonFC	Gets ever so slightly goopy.
[07:21]	DaemonFC	*expiration
[07:21]	DaemonFC	There's really no downside to buying a bit too much. It's not going to kill you if you use toothpaste a year after it expires.
[07:21]	DaemonFC	They just put those on there because they can't guarantee that the quality will be as good as a brand new bottle from the store.
[07:22]	DaemonFC	https://coinjournal.net/research/failed-crypto-exchanges-completely-vanished/
[07:22]	TR Bot	 42% of failed crypto exchanges completely vanished - CoinJournal
[07:22]	schestowitz[TR]	they use "inflation" 
[07:23]	schestowitz[TR]	for pricer-gouching
[07:23]	schestowitz[TR]	price-fixing
[07:23]	DaemonFC	Yeah, one day MARISOL wakes up and no Bitfoliex.
[07:23]	DaemonFC	Money gone.
[07:23]	schestowitz[TR]	price of paste went up maybe 20% in one year
[07:23]	DaemonFC	Nobody has to explain, because that's how Panama is.
[07:23]	schestowitz[TR]	*gouging
[07:24]	schestowitz[TR]	btw, microsoft's nat friedman
[07:24]	schestowitz[TR]	was connected directly to ftx
[07:24]	schestowitz[TR]	the one that went bust
[07:24]	schestowitz[TR]	 Nat was an advisor to ftx
[07:24]	DaemonFC	Nice.
[07:24]	DaemonFC	Bad advice?
[07:24]	schestowitz[TR]	"And he fundraised for arc institute from them"
[07:24]	DaemonFC	:D
[07:24]	schestowitz[TR]	I'm told
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	graveley is also crypto scammer
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	but then again, drugs and all
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	those are criminals
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe that's what attracts them to microsoft
[07:25]	DaemonFC	I would _never_ do business with a financial institution that is not regulated by the Federal Reserve and FDIC.
[07:25]	schestowitz[TR]	the company of immunity for criminals
[07:25]	DaemonFC	Poof, there goes the money.
[07:25]	DaemonFC	Insured? LOL
[07:26]	schestowitz[TR]	I was gonna say more about the toothpastes but forget
[07:26]	schestowitz[TR]	one of those items you cannot avoid
[07:26]	DaemonFC	They're so expensive when they're not on rebate.
[07:26]	schestowitz[TR]	and the prices are all the same
[07:26]	DaemonFC	Just a bit of grit and fluoride.
[07:26]	schestowitz[TR]	if you shop around you can buy in bulk for less, but that's no longer as easy
[07:26]	schestowitz[TR]	you can even see entire shelves emptied
[07:26]	schestowitz[TR]	usually the budget ones
[07:27]	DaemonFC	Yeah, they have my deodorant on rebate again.
[07:27]	DaemonFC	Means I have to buy more.
[07:28]	DaemonFC	I have to use aluminum-free deodorant.
[07:28]	DaemonFC	Or it stops up my pores and I get armpit lumps and have to go on antibiotics to get rid of them.
[07:28]	DaemonFC	Basically, cysts.
[07:28]	DaemonFC	So it's more expensive to go to the doctor than it is to just buy the highway robbery deodorant.
[07:29]	DaemonFC	Every time it's on rebate, QUICK! GET IT WHILE YOU CAN!
[07:30]	TR News	Inside the Twitter meltdown https://www.platformer.news/p/inside-the-twitter-meltdown Source: platformer | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.platformer.news/p/inside-the-twitter-meltdown
[07:30]	TR Bot	 Inside the Twitter meltdown
[07:30]	TR News	"According to the nice gentleman with very calloused hands, replacing the door gasket on our washer was a surprisingly involved task that would cost almost as much as a brand new washer..." http://flower.codes/2022/11/06/fixing-the-broken.html
[07:30]	TR Bot	Satisfaction of Fixing the Broken | flower.codes
[07:31]	TR News	"Its open-source software written in Ruby on Rails with development led by Eugen Rochko. Its built around the ActivityPub social-federation protocol." https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2022/11/10/Mastodon
[07:31]	TR Bot	 ongoing by Tim Bray Mastodon Moment
[07:31]	TR News	"Suppose a colleague at work who takes care of an important high-volume Web Service is dealing with a horrible problem: Spiking latencies, or an actual outage. Theyre not making good progress, and someones asked you if you can help. You look at some graphs and error messages." https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2022/11/07/Just-Dont
[07:31]	TR Bot	 ongoing by Tim Bray Just Dont
[07:32]	TR News	Rebooting a nation: how Gough Whitlam crafted the Australia of 2022 - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/rebooting-a-nation-how-gough-whitlam-crafted-the-australia-of-2022-2/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/rebooting-a-nation-how-gough-whitlam-crafted-the-australia-of-2022-2/
[07:32]	TR Bot	 Rebooting a nation: how Gough Whitlam crafted the Australia of 2022 - Michael West
[07:34]	TR News	Seven boss Kerry Stokes defends bankrolling Roberts-Smith in spray against scumbag journalists - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/seven-boss-kerry-stokes-defends-bankrolling-roberts-smith-in-spray-against-scumbag-journalists/ Source: Michael West Media |
[07:34]	TR Bot	 Seven boss Kerry Stokes defends bankrolling Roberts-Smith in spray against 'scumbag' journalists - Michael West
[07:34]	TR News	"This release also brings a rearranged, and as we think, simplified layout of the header files. All existing locations are still supported but we will be starting a (very patient and slow) transition at some point." http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2022/11/09#rcpparmadillo_0.11.4.2.1
[07:34]	TR Bot	 Thinking inside the box
[07:35]	TR News	"If, and only if, I'm very lucky and timings coincide I hope to be moving a whopping 20 metres sometime in the next few months. That'd be nice. And somewhat hilarious, honestly." https://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-11-11-divorce-all-but-done.html
[07:35]	TR Bot	 Divorce All But Done - Bjrn Wrmedal
[07:35]	TR News	"You know what happened just before the summer? Ventilation broke down and they installed a new fan. Coincidence that my sleep issues arose just about that time? Anyone wanna take bets on that?" https://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-10-26-improving-sleep-feng-shui-style.html
[07:35]	TR Bot	 Improving Sleep Feng Shui Style - Bjrn Wrmedal
[07:36]	TR News	"Musks takeover of the company had been so brutish and poorly planned that, were told, there was not even a proper handover of the companys social accounts. As a result, having spent $44 billion to acquire Twitter, for his first week-plus of owning the company, Musk and his team were unable even to tweet from the @twitter account." https://www.platformer.news/p/inside-the-twitter-meltdown
[07:37]	TR News	"Musks whim-based approach to product development, his rapidly depleting executive ranks, and the very real likelihood of hundreds or even thousands of additional departures at the company in coming weeks threaten to leave Twitter a shadow of its former self." https://www.platformer.news/p/inside-the-twitter-meltdown
[07:37]	TR News	"Of course, in comparison to the 238,000,000 Twitter user base, it isn't a big deal." The vast majority of these NOT active. gemini://szczezuja.space/gemlog/2022-11-11-Fediverse-is-growing.gmi
[07:38]	TR News	Star Log 2022-11-11 Morning (Fairbanks, AK, US) gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20221111-0.gmi
[07:39]	TR News	Houston, we have a VPS problem gemini://gemini.sh0.xyz/log/2022-11-11_houston_we_have_a_vps_problem.gmi
[07:39]	TR News	Being the Enemy gemini://idiomdrottning.org/being-the-enemy
[07:40]	TR News	Where Are All the Good Private Chat Options? gemini://lolwtfamidoing.pro/gemlog/2022-11-12-WhereAreAllTheGoodPrivateChatOptions.gmi
[07:41]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D752.jpg
[07:41]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D410.jpg
[07:41]	TR News	Gatekeeping Gemini gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-11-11-gatekeeping-gemini.gmi
[07:43]	TR News	"The Tox protocol[7] is peer-to-peer, so no servers, and it uses Tor at least to find friends for intial connections, but I think connections are direct afterwards. Also has clients for a variety of platforms, and there seems to be some variety in choices for clients." gemini://lolwtfamidoing.pro/gemlog/2022-11-12-WhereAreAllTheGoodPrivateChatOptions.gmi
[07:44]	TR News	"Emacs has seen the bodies of about a dozen popular IDEs float down the river and will bury as many more. The gopher and geminispace community will be arguing for several human generations about which browser is the best and unbloated." gemini://kotobank.ch/~merlin/endemics_tech.gmi
[07:45]	TR News	Clown comptuing: "This was the first time I could have been stuck with a VPS and no access to it." gemini.sh0.xyz/log/2022-11-11_houston_we_have_a_vps_problem.gmi
[07:48]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I suppose you're right though. Might be an idea to buy one of these cheap basic models of the handle just in case my Genius 6000 craps out on me.
[07:48]	DaemonFC	Then I won't be stuck with three dozen replacement heads I got real cheap that don't work with anything.
[07:49]	DaemonFC	Hell, the $15 one even comes with a head and has a $2 off coupon right now.
[07:50]	DaemonFC	LOL
[07:50]	DaemonFC	Walmart has an Equate handle for $8.87.
[07:50]	DaemonFC	It uses Oral B heads (or the store brand knock off).
[07:52]	schestowitz[TR]	my hand is compatible with all heads
[07:52]	schestowitz[TR]	it's the universal handle
[07:52]	schestowitz[TR]	it doesn't have batteryu
[07:52]	schestowitz[TR]	it charges on any food
[07:52]	schestowitz[TR]	just had some carrot cake :-)
[07:52]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, I wanted to say more about toothpastes but forgot
[07:53]	schestowitz[TR]	but it seems prices soared about 20% in the past year
[07:53]	schestowitz[TR]	not any one brand, all the brands
[07:53]	schestowitz[TR]	and I keep seeing empty shalves
[07:53]	schestowitz[TR]	esp. the budget ones
[07:53]	schestowitz[TR]	*shelves
[07:53]	schestowitz[TR]	if you can get a good discount and buy, say, 50 units, that's like an hour's work
[07:53]	schestowitz[TR]	in savings
[07:53]	schestowitz[TR]	but those are getting increasingly hard to find
[07:54]	schestowitz[TR]	and I reckon they'd limit unit sold, saying it would empty shelves or something, putting other customers off
[07:55]	TR News	Proprietary garbage: "Each session consists of one hour at Zoom" https://pacha.dev/blog/2022/11/06/r-and-shiny-training/
[07:55]	TR Bot	 R and Shiny Training Pach
[07:56]	TR News	"Interestingly, if I allocate a small array and then I read beyond its bounds, the program will often not immediately crash and may even remain correct." https://lemire.me/blog/2022/11/08/modern-vector-programming-with-masked-loads-and-stores/
[07:56]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://lemire.me/blog/2022/11/08/modern-vector-programming-with-masked-loads-and-stores/ )
[07:56]	TR News	XLConnect needs to delete GitHub and not outsource to Microsoft Proprietary Prison https://mirai-solutions.ch/news/2022/11/01/XLConnect-1.0.6/
[07:56]	TR Bot	 Mirai Solutions :: XLConnect 1.0.6
[07:57]	TR News	FOSDEM 2023 DNS Developer Room Call for Participation https://blog.powerdns.com/2022/11/11/fosdem-2023-dns-developer-room-call-for-participation/
[07:57]	TR Bot	 FOSDEM 2023 DNS Developer Room Call for Participation | PowerDNS Blog
[07:58]	TR News	"Approximately 80,000 vaccine doses were excluded from data provided by NHS England on 3 November." Hey, how about all the DEATHS you lost track of? Until MONTHS later? https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/whatsnew/record/ccb19a3f-c94e-4649-a591-54a9e53c371d
[07:58]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/whatsnew/record/ccb19a3f-c94e-4649-a591-54a9e53c371d )
[07:59]	DaemonFC	Walmart has a knock off of Philips Sonicare too.
[07:59]	DaemonFC	I don't know about those. Mom says she uses one.
[07:59]	TR News	Deaths = tragedy. Doses = sales. NHS under Tories: let's focus on the latter.
[07:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[07:59]	DaemonFC	But I've always used the Oral B ones because the sonic ones can damage tooth enamel.
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[08:00]	DaemonFC	Sonic toothbrush sounds like something The Doctor would be running around with, anyway.
[08:11]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Braun does have a pretty good warranty.
[08:11]	DaemonFC	If the brush handle does break or the battery isn't holding enough charge within 2 years, you just mail it to them at their expense and they send you another one.
[08:11]	DaemonFC	They don't get real pushy about "Oh this still kind of works. Live with it.".
[08:12]	DaemonFC	So if you get a dud, then you're good. They send you a kit to mail it back.
[08:13]	DaemonFC	I think that they make pretty good stuff, but looking at the $15 model, apparently it's made in China and not Germany and has a lot more complaints.
[08:14]	DaemonFC	I'd probably just start looking at all the boxes until you get to one that's made in Germany. I've never had a problem with one of those.
[08:19]	schestowitz[TR]	same with nokia in the 90s
[08:19]	schestowitz[TR]	some made in findland
[08:19]	schestowitz[TR]	some in china
[08:19]	schestowitz[TR]	guess which was vastly more durable? the made in finland ones
[08:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[08:29]	TR News	Dirichlet Regression with PyMC | Joshua Cook https://joshuacook.netlify.app/post/dirichlet-regression-pymc/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//joshuacook.netlify.app/post/dirichlet-regression-pymc/
[08:29]	TR Bot	 Dirichlet Regression with PyMC | Joshua Cook
[08:30]	TR News	Which Gender is associated with this Name? R to the R-escue! - Learning Machines https://blog.ephorie.de/which-gender-is-associated-with-this-name-r-to-the-r-escue?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=which-gender-is-associated-with-this-name-r-to-the-r-escue
[08:30]	TR Bot	 Which Gender is associated with this Name? R to the R-escue! Learning Machines
[08:32]	TR News	A GC-Friendly Go Interning Cache https://words.filippo.io/dispatches/certificate-interning/
[08:32]	TR Bot	 A GC-Friendly Go Interning Cache
[08:34]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Friday, November 11, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/12/irc-log-111122/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/12/irc-log-111122/
[08:34]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Friday, November 11, 2022 | Techrights
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[09:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[10:12]	TR News	 (NEW): NanoPi R6S Review Part 1: Unboxing, Teardown, OpenWrt 22.03, and iperf3 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/NanoPi_R6S_Review_Part_1_Unboxing_Teardown_OpenWrt_22_03_and_ip.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/NanoPi_R6S_Review_Part_1_Unboxing_Teardown_OpenWrt_22_03_and_ip.gmi 
[10:12]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines NanoPi R6S Review Part 1: Unboxing, Teardown, OpenWrt 22.03, and iperf3
[10:12]	TR News	 (NEW): Push Notifications for KDE http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Push_Notifications_for_KDE.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Push_Notifications_for_KDE.gmi 
[10:12]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Push Notifications for KDE
[10:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[10:41]	TR News	"There are two pieces of good news for us in our particular environment (with Ubuntu 22.04 servers)." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/SwapfileAndBackupsIssue | Source: uni Toronto
[10:41]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/SwapfileAndBackupsIssue
[10:43]	TR News	"Builder has been absolutely wonderful for a designer to dive in and fix up graphics assets for Application." https://blog.jimmac.eu/2022/Builder-Shell/ | Source: Jakub Steiner
[10:43]	TR Bot	 Running Shell in Builder - Even a Stopped Clock
[10:44]	TR News	"The law focuses on federal procurement" https://fcw.com/acquisition/2022/11/iot-cyber-rule-covering-federal-buyers-about-take-effect/379497/ |
[10:44]	TR Bot	cyber rule covering federal buyers about to take effect - FCW
[10:44]	TR News	"Open standards and collaboration are strategic to both hardware and software across industries and geographies." https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-presence-at-risc-v-summit-2022 | Source: Ubuntu
[10:44]	TR Bot	Presence at RISC-V Summit 2022 | Ubuntu
[10:52]	TR News	"Out of curiosity we decided to purchase the Zaptec Pro." https://harrisonsand.com/posts/reverse-engineering-ev-charger/ | Source: Harrison Sand
[10:52]	TR Bot	 Reverse engineering an EV charger | Harrison's Sandbox
[10:55]	TR News	"For Rochko, the projects only full-time employee, programming at his home in a small town in eastern Germany for a modest 2,400 euro monthly salary" https://www.euractiv.com/section/media/news/mastodon-what-is-the-social-network-hailed-as-a-twitter-alternative/ | Source: Euractive
[10:55]	TR Bot	What is the social network hailed as a Twitter alternative? EURACTIV.com
[10:55]	TR News	"Explaining the cultural dynamics that have led Mastodon to have a search engine that barely works by traditional standards." https://midrange.tedium.co/issues/how-mastodon-search-works/ |
[10:55]	TR Bot	 How Mastodon Search Works: Why Can You Only Use Hashtags?
[10:55]	TR News	"As Twitter has a public meltdown, Mastodon is having a quieter one." https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-users-mastodon-meltdown/ | Source: Wired
[10:55]	TR Bot	Users Have Caused a Mastodon Meltdown | WIRED
[10:55]	TR News	"Our Twitter and Facebook feeds, however, are automatically delivered from our RSS (using dlvr.it)if we had to manually post each item, we'd constantly forget or err." https://reason.com/volokh/2022/11/10/automatic-feed-to-mastodon/ | Source: Reason
[10:55]	TR Bot	 Automatic Feed to Mastodon
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[11:04]	TR News	"You can sign up to any Mastodon site which are called instances" https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/an-escape-pod-was-jettisoned-during-the-fighting/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
[11:04]	TR Bot	 An escape pod was jettisoned during the fighting - Raspberry Pi
[11:05]	TR News	"SC22 or Supercomputing 2022 is one of the main events on high-performance computing (HPC) and supercomputing." https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-at-sc22 | Source: Ubuntu
[11:05]	TR Bot	to attend Supercomputing 22 | Ubuntu
[11:05]	TR News	Pi without borders https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/pi-without-borders | Source: Raspberry Pi
[11:06]	TR Bot	 Pi without borders The MagPi magazine
[11:06]	TR News	"A post about Haskell vs. Python readability came onto my radar the other day." https://softwaremaniacs.org/blog/2022/11/10/python-trie/en/ |
[11:06]	TR Bot	 Trie in Python
[11:06]	TR News	"We tend to think of modern JVMs as highly optimized runtime environments, in many cases rivaling more performance-oriented languages like C++." https://netflixtechblog.com/seeing-through-hardware-counters-a-journey-to-threefold-performance-increase-2721924a2822 | Source: Netflix
[11:11]	TR News	"Here is how the temperature evolved when I put a can with cold water (around 12 C) in the USB fridge: [...]" https://blog.didierstevens.com/2022/11/12/quickpost-testing-a-usb-fridge-update/ | Source: Didier Stevens
[11:11]	TR Bot	 Quickpost: Testing A USB Fridge (Update) | Didier Stevens
[11:11]	TR News	"[...] In The Titanium Economy, North America managing partner Asutosh Padhi, Gaurav Batra, and Nick Santhanam" https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/themes/the-future-of-manufacturing-and-why-manufacturing-is-the-future |
[11:11]	TR Bot	future of manufacturing--and why manufacturing is the future | McKinsey & Company
[11:12]	TR News	Windows TCO: "When asked to clarify that statement, she acknowledged Microsoft won't classify the flaws as security problems." https://www.computerworld.com/article/2544707/microsoft--word-2007-crashes-aren-t-a-bug--they-re-a-feature.html | Source: Computer World
[11:12]	TR Bot	Word 2007 crashes aren't a bug, they're a feature | Computerworld
[11:12]	TR News	Windows TCO "Cybercrime takes many forms, including identity crime, computer [cracking], phishing, botnet activity" https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BriefingBook47p/ThreatRansomware |
[11:12]	TR Bot	 The threat of ransomware Parliament of Australia
[11:12]	TR News	"Cyber criminals in Russia are behind a ransomware attack on one of Australias largest private health insurers" https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/11/tech/medibank-australia-ransomware-attack-intl-hnk/index.html | Source: CNN
[11:12]	TR Bot	 Medibank data breach: Australia blames cyber criminals in Russia for attack | CNN Business
[11:14]	TR News	"The facility trades as the Joint Competence and Service Centre (GKDZ)." https://digit.site36.net/2022/11/11/five-federal-states-involved-german-interception-centre-further-delayed/ | Source: Site36
[11:14]	TR Bot	 Five federal states: German interception centre further delayed Security Architectures in the EU
[11:14]	TR News	"Given all we learned from Edward Snowden, this feels like a minor coda." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/11/nsa-over-surveillance.html | Source: Bruce Schneier
[11:14]	TR Bot	Over-surveillance - Schneier on Security
[11:15]	TR News	"Googles Chrome, Apples Safari, nonprofit Firefox and others allow the company, TrustCor Systems" https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/08/trustcor-internet-addresses-government-connections/ | Source: The Washington Post
[11:15]	TR Bot	 TrustCor Systems verifies web addresses, but its address is a UPS Store - The Washington Post
[11:16]	TR News	"hasnt been previously reported" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/nsa-watchdog-concluded-one-analyst-s-surveillance-project-went-too-far | Source: Bloomberg
[11:16]	TR Bot	- Are you a robot?
[11:16]	TR News	[Old] "A spokesman for the company confirmed that it scans messages to filter out spam and phishing websites." http://www.h-online.com/news/item/Skype-with-care-Microsoft-is-reading-everything-you-write-1862870.html |
[11:16]	TR Bot	 Skype with care Microsoft is reading everything you write - The H Security: News and Features
[11:16]	TR News	[Old] "The report is based on further documents disclosed by whistleblower Edward Snowden" http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Microsoft-gave-NSA-s-PRISM-access-to-Skype-Outlook-com-and-SkyDrive-1916730.html |
[11:16]	TR Bot	 Microsoft gave NSA's PRISM access to Skype, Outlook.com and SkyDrive - The H Security: News and Features
[11:17]	TR News	"Apple's dual reliance on poor Chinese workers and rich Chinese consumers gives the Chinese state enormous leverage" https://pluralistic.net/2022/11/11/foreseeable-consequences/#airdropped | Source: CoryDoctorow
[11:17]	TR Bot	 Pluralistic: 11 Nov 2022 Apples business model made Chinese oppression inevitable Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
[11:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[11:24]	TR News	"The modus operandi of the crypto-bros in responding to criticism and calls for regulation is to talk about "innovation" and gaslighting about hypothetical future benefits" https://blog.dshr.org/2022/11/no-actual-people-were-harmed-in-making.html | Source: David Rosenthal
[11:24]	TR Bot	 DSHR's Blog: No Actual People Were Harmed In The Making Of This Market
[11:26]	TR News	"Proposals for the Clown Hosting Service III contract are due to Interior by Dec. 19." https://fcw.com/acquisition/2022/11/interior-unveils-1b-cloud-solicitation/379637/ |
[11:26]	TR Bot	unveils $1B cloud solicitation - FCW
[11:26]	TR News	"Critics have said for years that Facebook is a monopoly that can only be killed by federal regulation." https://reason.com/2022/11/10/reports-of-facebooks-immortality-are-greatly-exaggerated/ | Source: Reason
[11:26]	TR Bot	 Reports of Facebook's Immortality Are Greatly Exaggerated
[11:26]	TR News	End of an era -- a DARK era that injured the WWW https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/11/twitter-facebook-social-media-decline/672074/ | Source: The Atlantic
[11:26]	TR Bot	 The Age of Social Media Is Ending - The Atlantic
[11:28]	TR News	"In reaction to recent scenes widely shared on social media showing thousands of young Saudi citizens" https://www.memri.org/reports/clerics-western-islamists-condemn-saudis-celebrating-halloween-accuse-saudi-government | Source: MEMRI
[11:28]	TR Bot	 Clerics, Western Islamists Condemn Saudis For Celebrating Halloween, Accuse Saudi Government Of Reinstating Polytheism, Apostasy, And Altering Muslims' Identity | MEMRI
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[11:33]	TR News	"Valve has done another weekend drop here, with a Beta version of SteamOS 3.4 now available for the Steam Deck." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/steamos-34-rolls-out-in-beta-for-the-steam-deck-its-a-massive-upgrade/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:33]	TR Bot	3.4 rolls out in Beta for the Steam Deck - it's a massive upgrade | GamingOnLinux
[11:34]	TR News	"M2H and BlackMill Games have released another update to the WW1 shooter Isonzo" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/ww1-shooter-isonzo-gets-performance-improvements-for-the-linux-version/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:34]	TR Bot	shooter Isonzo gets performance improvements for the Linux version | GamingOnLinux
[11:34]	TR News	Call of the Wild: The Angler https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/call-of-the-wild-the-angler-gets-updated-to-fix-the-launch-crash-on-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:34]	TR Bot	of the Wild: The Angler gets updated to fix the launch crash on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
[11:36]	TR News	A Plague Tale: Requiem from Focus Entertainment and Asobo Studio https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/a-plague-tale-requiem-gets-steam-deck-support-in-a-new-update/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:36]	TR Bot	Plague Tale: Requiem gets Steam Deck support in a new update | GamingOnLinux
[11:36]	TR News	"I made a decision recently that I wanted to learn more Python so I could improve my instructional skills" https://opensource.com/article/22/11/learn-python | Source: OpenSource.com
[11:36]	TR Bot	Python: 7 of my favorite resources | Opensource.com
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[11:37]	TR News	"you can also interact with other instances" https://opensource.com/article/22/11/switch-twitter-mastodon | Source: OpenSource.com
[11:37]	TR Bot	to switch from Twitter to Mastodon | Opensource.com
[11:37]	TR News	Tetris Effect: Connected https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/tetris-effect-connected-gets-some-fixes-for-steam-deck-support/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:37]	TR Bot	Effect: Connected gets some fixes for Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux
[11:37]	TR News	Stadia from Gulag: will the taxpayers cover Gulag's losses? https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/stadia-refunds-are-starting-to-begin-no-word-on-controller-bluetooth-yet/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:37]	TR Bot	refunds are starting to begin, no word on Controller Bluetooth yet | GamingOnLinux
[11:38]	TR News	"After the recent issue dbrand had with their Killswitch magnets causing issues with some Steam Deck fans" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/dbrand-issued-an-update-on-killswitch-replacements-dock-compatibility-and-more/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:38]	TR Bot	issued an update on Killswitch replacements, Dock compatibility and more | GamingOnLinux
[11:38]	TR News	"a new Steam Deck Client Beta available now with various fixes" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/steam-deck-beta-improves-on-screen-keyboard-and-offline-mode/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:38]	TR Bot	Deck Beta improves on-screen keyboard and offline mode | GamingOnLinux
[11:39]	TR News	As covered by a Bill Gates-bribed publisher, seeking to distract from the meddling by Gates https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/11/11/billionaire-barre-seid-gave-record-1-6-billion-to-dark-money-group-pushing-right-wing-courts/
[11:39]	TR Bot	 Billionaire Barre Seid Gave Record $1.6 Billion to Dark Money Group Pushing Right-Wing Courts neritam
[11:40]	TR News	old: computerworld sent that article to the memory hole - iophk https://web.archive.org/web/20080513083403/http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9016401
[11:40]	TR Bot	 Microsoft: Word 2007 crashes aren't a bug, they're a feature
[11:41]	TR News	New Yorks right to repair bill has gone NOWHERE: Kathy Hochul hasnt signed it after FIVE MONTHS! https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/new-york's-right-to-repair-bill-has-gone:e
[11:41]	TR Bot	 New York's right to repair bill has gone NOWHERE: Kathy Hochul hasn't signed it after FIVE MONTHS!
[11:41]	TR News	old: Banning repairs? https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/reports/nixing-fix-ftc-report-congress-repair-restrictions/nixing_the_fix_report_final_5521_630pm-508_002.pdf
[11:41]	TR News	Patented Process - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-11-11 | Dilbert by Scott Adams https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-11-11
[11:41]	TR Bot	Process - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2022-11-11 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
[11:42]	TR News	old: Gulag http://infolab.stanford.edu/pub/papers/google.pdf
[11:51]	TR News	 (NEW): This week in KDE: better environment variable support http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/This_week_in_KDE_better_environment_variable_support.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/This_week_in_KDE_better_environment_variable_support.gmi 
[11:51]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines This week in KDE: better environment variable support
[11:51]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/today_s_howtos.1.gmi 
[11:51]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[11:59]	TR News	 (NEW): Games: SteamOS, Isonzo, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Games_SteamOS_Isonzo_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Games_SteamOS_Isonzo_and_More.gmi 
[11:59]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Games: SteamOS, Isonzo, and More
● Nov 12
[12:01]	TR News	"A few days ago, Orange Pi announced their new Single Board Computer based on the Octa-core Rockchip RK3588S SoC." https://linuxgizmos.com/60-00-orange-pi-5-sbc-available-for-pre-order/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[12:01]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/60-00-orange-pi-5-sbc-available-for-pre-order/ )
[12:01]	TR News	"This week saw a new all-time high of continuous openSUSE Tumbleweed snapshots released, which surpasses the previous streak" https://news.opensuse.org/2022/11/11/git-postgresql-btrfs-up-in-tw/ | Source: OpenSUSE
[12:01]	TR Bot	 Git, PostgreSQL, Btrfs update in Tumbleweed - openSUSE News
[12:02]	TR News	"UbuCon Asia is an event by Ubuntu Communities in Asia that brings together hundreds of Ubuntu users, developers, contributors, enthusiasts" https://ubuntu.com//blog/join-ubucon-asia-seoul-november-2022 | Source: Ubuntu
[12:02]	TR Bot	us at UbuCon Asia in Seoul this November! | Ubuntu
[12:02]	TR News	"Retrouvez Canonical au stand F42, Hall 3 pour tout savoir sur nos technologies CLOWN" https://ubuntu.com//blog/cloud-expo-paris-2022 | Source: Ubuntu
[12:02]	TR Bot	Canonical Cloud Expo Europe Paris 2022 | Ubuntu
[12:03]	TR News	"Given this background of low margins, limited budgets and the complexity of IT systems required to keep their businesses operating" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/why-enterprise-open-source-matters-retail | Source: Red Hat Official
[12:03]	TR Bot	 Why enterprise open source matters in retail
[12:03]	TR News	">In newer versions of RHEL-based distributions such as Fedora, Rocky Linux, CentOS Stream, AlmaLinux, and openSUSE" https://www.tecmint.com/configure-firewalld-rhel-rocky-almalinux/ | Source: TecMint
[12:03]	TR Bot	 How to Configure FirewallD in RHEL, Rocky & AlmaLinux
[12:04]	TR News	"The /etc/hosts file in Linux or any other operating system is used to map connections between IP addresses and domain names." https://linuxhandbook.com/etc-hosts-file/ | Source: Linux Handbook
[12:04]	TR Bot	 What is the Purpose of /etc/hosts File in Linux
[12:04]	TR News	"So you used the killall command and it killed the parent process making your hours of work at waste?" https://linuxhandbook.com/show-process-tree/ | Source: Linux Handbook
[12:04]	TR Bot	 How to Show Process Tree in Linux
[12:07]	TR News	"A federal court in Seattle has dismissed the hacking and DMCA circumvention claims filed by AimJunkies against game developer Bungie." https://torrentfreak.com/court-dismisses-aimjunkies-hacking-claims-against-bungie-221111/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[12:07]	TR Bot	Dismisses AimJunkies' Hacking Claims Against Bungie * TorrentFreak
[12:07]	TR News	IPTV https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-iptv-raids-ongoing-in-italy-as-police-hit-900k-member-network-221111/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[12:07]	TR Bot	IPTV Raids Ongoing in Italy as Police Hit 900K Member Network * TorrentFreak
[12:10]	TR News	"Carbon Billionaires" https://www.democracynow.org/2022/11/11/carbon_emissions_billionaires_fossil_fuel_industry | Source: Democracy Now
[12:10]	TR Bot	 Carbon Billionaires: Oxfam Calls for Taxing Rich Who Profit from Emissions Fueling Climate Crisis | Democracy Now!
[12:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[12:20]	TR News	Links 12/11/2022: Grml 2022.11 RC and Push Notifications for KDE | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/12/push-notifications-for-kde/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/12/push-notifications-for-kde/
[12:21]	TR Bot	 Links 12/11/2022: Grml 2022.11 RC and Push Notifications for KDE | Techrights
[12:21]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Programming_Leftovers.gmi 
[12:21]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
[12:21]	TR News	 (NEW): UbuCon Asia and FOSDEM 2023 DNS Developer Room http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/UbuCon_Asia_and_FOSDEM_2023_DNS_Developer_Room.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/UbuCon_Asia_and_FOSDEM_2023_DNS_Developer_Room.gmi 
[12:21]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines UbuCon Asia and FOSDEM 2023 DNS Developer Room
[12:22]	TR News	 (NEW): Mastodon in the News http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Mastodon_in_the_News.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Mastodon_in_the_News.gmi 
[12:22]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Mastodon in the News
[12:24]	TR News	Secrets of an AT&T Scandal https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/11/11/secrets-of-an-att-scandal/ | Source: Counter Punch
[12:24]	TR Bot	of an AT&T Scandal - CounterPunch.org
[12:26]	TR News	"Debian will soon have WordPress version 6.1 Im not really sure of the improvements, but there is a new 2023 theme as part of the update." https://dropbear.xyz/2022/11/12/wordpress-6-1/
[12:26]	TR Bot	 WordPress 6.1 Dropbear
[12:26]	TR News	Day 3 of the Debian Videoteam Sprint in Cape Town https://grep.be/blog//en/computer/debian/Day_3_of_the_Debian_Videoteam_Sprint_in_Cape_Town/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//grep.be/blog//en/computer/debian/Day_3_of_the_Debian_Videoteam_Sprint_in_Cape_Town/
[12:27]	TR Bot	 Day 3 of the Debian Videoteam Sprint in Cape Town
[12:29]	TR News	Mageia 9 Alpha 1 Released https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_9_Release_Notes
[12:29]	TR Bot	 Mageia 9 Release Notes - Mageia wiki
[12:30]	TR News	"Non-x86 platforms, including those based on Arm CPUs and IBM's Power architecture, still may not be able to update Arc GPU firmware." https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/intel-arc-gpu-firmware-updates-appear-to-require-an-intel-cpu-at-least-for-now/
[12:30]	TR Bot	 Intel says that both Intel and AMD CPUs can update Arc GPU firmware [Updated] | Ars Technica
[12:31]	TR News	PHP version 8.0.26RC1 and 8.1.13RC1 - Remi's RPM repository - Blog https://blog.remirepo.net/post/2022/11/12/PHP-version-8.0.26RC1-and-8.1.13RC1 Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.remirepo.net/post/2022/11/12/PHP-version-8.0.26RC1-and-8.1.13RC1
[12:31]	TR Bot	 PHP version 8.0.26RC1 and 8.1.13RC1 - Remi's RPM repository - Blog
[12:31]	TR News	"I have rewritten many tutorial pages that were way out of date. Today, the "How Easy works" part-1, has been completely rewritten. The last update was in 2018, so much was wrong in it." https://bkhome.org/news/202211/how-easy-works-part-1-rewritten.html
[12:31]	TR Bot	 How easy works part-1 rewritten
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[12:32]	TR News	"Free Download Manager (fdm) for Linux allows you to adjust traffic usage, organize downloads, control file priorities for torrents, efficiently download large files and resume broken downloads. Now available in the PCLinuxOS Software Repository." https://www.pclinuxos.com/?p=5289
[12:32]	TR Bot	Download Manager (fdm) 6.18.0.4888 PCLinuxOS
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[13:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[13:37]	XRevan86	https://thetruestory.news/en/stories/aaee686b-61ff-11ed-8373-531944c53eeb Who knew this would happen?
[13:37]	TR Bot	 Twitter Blue subscriptions paused after surge in verified imposter accounts True Story
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[14:12]	reptilian_thrills	/me snorts (at) NoseCandy
[14:15]	XRevan86	https://openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2022/11/10/1
[14:15]	TR Bot	 oss-security - CVE-2022-45063: xterm <375 code execution via font ops
[14:17]	reptilian_thrills	xterm &lt;375 code execution via font ops
[14:17]	reptilian_thrills	amazing
[14:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[14:20]	reptilian_thrills	Mitigation:
[14:20]	reptilian_thrills	Set this Xresource:
[14:20]	reptilian_thrills	XTerm*allowFontOps: false
[14:22]	reptilian_thrills	This does mean to exploit this vulnerability the user needs to be using Zsh in vi line editing mode (usually via $EDITOR having "vi" in it). While somewhat obscure this is not a totally unknown configuration.
[14:22]	reptilian_thrills	plus it only works on tuesdays between 3am and 1pm utc
[14:22]	reptilian_thrills	still, linucks is very insecure. better switch to windows
[14:23]	reptilian_thrills	"the user needs to be using Zsh in vi line editing mode" :>
[14:23]	reptilian_thrills	/me tries the mitigation anyway
[14:23]	reptilian_thrills	who knows what other wild and crazy things "fontops" do
[14:24]	reptilian_thrills	/me enables fantaops instead
[14:26]	reptilian_thrills	oh when i try to type like vi, baby i just cant deny, something strange starts going awry,,, but its just a sweet, sweet font you see baby, when i open zsh my shell just goes crazy... please dont try to pwn me, im running my updates, because i was lazy
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[14:32]	reptilian_thrills	Debian, Red Hat and others disable font ops by default (see some good foresight at[1] or this very list[2]), but users can re-enable them
[14:32]	reptilian_thrills	actually theyre not enabled by default in openbsd either
[14:32]	reptilian_thrills	/me just checked
[14:33]	reptilian_thrills	so to make this work, you have to 1. enable fontops which are off by default, 2. use zsh 3. in vi mode
[14:34]	reptilian_thrills	4. wait for similar vulnerabilities to show up :)
[14:34]	reptilian_thrills	in xterm!
[14:35]	reptilian_thrills	while facing north
[14:35]	reptilian_thrills	at the point when a camera flash is triggered nearby
[14:36]	reptilian_thrills	and your keyboard mode has to be set to spanish
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[14:48]	reptilian_thrills	/me enables font ops and tries to make it do the thing, but it wont do it
[14:49]	reptilian_thrills	/me isnt using zsh ofc
[14:49]	reptilian_thrills	(and its not a tuesday)
[14:50]	reptilian_thrills	another mitigation is to wrap your term window in foil
[14:51]	reptilian_thrills	i tried this but found that i could no longer copy from that window to others with the mouse. also it wont show up in screencaps now
[14:51]	reptilian_thrills	and when it does, theres glare from the foil
[14:53]	reptilian_thrills	someone asked me how to wrap a single application in foil. you cant do it by default, you have to recompile your window manager
[14:54]	reptilian_thrills	gnome users should probably place xterm in an ammo box with the outer shell wired to ground, but they have to install a plugin just to run xterm in the first place
[14:54]	reptilian_thrills	/me shows devuan how to wrap the init system in foil too
[14:55]	reptilian_thrills	with lennart working for microsoft, you cant be too careful
[14:55]	reptilian_thrills	also sysvinit is on github now, so if youre still using that as an init :/
[14:56]	reptilian_thrills	id suggest devuan fork sysvinit, but we dont need pretend fork inception
[14:56]	reptilian_thrills	devuan is more like a plastic spoon than a fork
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[15:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[15:43]	MinceR	12 070928 < DaemonFC> But it's not a good look to people who want off of Windows when it appears like they have to reboot for every single package.
[15:43]	MinceR	this is what the Gnome OS people wanted
[15:43]	MinceR	rebooting all the time is "modern"
[15:44]	MinceR	that's also why ricing boot/shutdown time is so important
[15:45]	reptilian_thrills	rebooting all the time is "modern" <- just like it was in the early 1960s
[15:45]	reptilian_thrills	back then, if you were running a computer, it was constantly being (physically) repaired
[15:45]	reptilian_thrills	devops!
[15:47]	reptilian_thrills	echo 'OS*allowDevOps: false' >> .Xdefaults
[15:50]	MinceR	https://nitter.it/lopezlinette/status/1590111416014409728?
[15:50]	TR Bot	Lopez (@lopezlinette): "How do I know so much about how @elonmusk does things? I spent 3 years investigating Tesla at @BusinessInsider from 2018-2021. Here are some of sloppy, dangerous, callous, things I learned:"|nitter.it
[15:52]	XRevan86	* https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1590111416014409728.html
[15:52]	TR Bot	 Thread by @lopezlinette on Thread Reader App Thread Reader App
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[15:54]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22093064
[15:54]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.imgur.com/sunPjJw.jpg created on 2022-09-30 20:29:22.051920
[15:55]	XRevan86	"on this app" <- That's a terminological ew.
[15:55]	MinceR	:>
● Nov 12
[16:01]	reptilian_thrills	one thing that doesnt offend me about "modern"isation is the shortening of tech terms
[16:01]	reptilian_thrills	stallman insists theres a difference between "programming" and "coding"
[16:01]	reptilian_thrills	i think calling it "programming" is fine if youre a greybeard wizard, or even highly competent
[16:02]	reptilian_thrills	stallman insists "coding" was a lesser term for a lesser act at one point
[16:02]	reptilian_thrills	now everyone says coding-- because its less awkward and its easier to type
[16:02]	reptilian_thrills	which i think is fine
[16:02]	reptilian_thrills	"programming" is fine too
[16:02]	reptilian_thrills	"app" does sound a little bit stupid
[16:03]	reptilian_thrills	but mostly it just sounds like its short for application
[16:03]	XRevan86	reptilian_thrills: The ew is not as much about applicationapp but about that she called Twitter, the website, an application just because she uses one to access it.
[16:03]	MinceR	"coding" is what some people do at the hospital, isn't it? :>
[16:03]	reptilian_thrills	of course the term came into heavy use for those horrible things that they pack applications into so they can run on a pseudo-proprietary, pseudo-libre platform like android (or worse, ios)
[16:03]	XRevan86	So there are two layers of ewness in this :)
[16:03]	reptilian_thrills	no, thats oxy coding
[16:04]	MinceR	:D
[16:04]	reptilian_thrills	coding is a hell of a drug
[16:04]	MinceR	"A method of communicating important medical information discreetly and quickly between medical professionals and responders.
[16:04]	MinceR	"
[16:04]	reptilian_thrills	yeah, caesar was a coder. though he coded in logos.
[16:05]	MinceR	"To go into a state where a hospital emergency code is required to save one's life."
[16:05]	MinceR	"Of a patient, to suffer a sudden medical emergency (a code blue) such as cardiac arrest.
[16:05]	MinceR	"
[16:05]	reptilian_thrills	mountain dew had code red, but i couldnt find any code in it
[16:05]	MinceR	:)
[16:05]	reptilian_thrills	theres probably some dna in some of the oils they add
[16:05]	reptilian_thrills	so thats genetic code
[16:05]	MinceR	i remember writing code in Redcode, or rather, a variant of it
[16:06]	reptilian_thrills	Redcode <- stallman wanted a future where all code is red code :>
[16:06]	MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_War
[16:06]	TR Bot	 Core War - Wikipedia
[16:07]	reptilian_thrills	theres a chefs code, you dont go after signature dishes or youll be boycotted and shunned by all restaurant people
[16:07]	reptilian_thrills	theres an honour code, but before you can code in that you have to learn klingon
[16:08]	reptilian_thrills	and there are also codebreakers, but today we just call them systemd developers
[16:09]	reptilian_thrills	"without bugs there can be no fixes, so it must be good to write bugs sometimes!"
[16:10]	reptilian_thrills	-- satan
[16:10]	MinceR	just code in var'aq
[16:12]	reptilian_thrills	im aware of the fact that the industry makes stupid buzzword terms for marketing purposes and to make it sound like they invented things that predate their own corporation
[16:12]	reptilian_thrills	and i make fun of most of those terms. im not sure i want to lump "coding" in with those
[16:13]	reptilian_thrills	"app" i can understand the objections to, but i dont find it very offensive. im only offended when they make "crapps" for platforms that insist a tiny script must get encapsulated in 12 layers of java just so it will run on your phone
[16:13]	reptilian_thrills	the only "apps" i ever made for a phone were in pure js (no libraries) and needed a browser to run them
[16:14]	reptilian_thrills	only because i detest java and the whole "crapps" ecosystem (ecosystem is another word that bothers stallman, but i think thats a bit much)
[16:14]	reptilian_thrills	note that i think he also makes a lot of valid points about terminology. he just doesnt stop there.
[16:15]	reptilian_thrills	if there were two stallmans, one would have rewritten unix and the other would have rewritten the english language
[16:16]	MinceR	it would make more sense to write a new language
[16:16]	reptilian_thrills	other than that, i would have liked a dozen or more stallmans
[16:16]	reptilian_thrills	it would make more sense to write a new language <- they tried that, and they called it esperanto
[16:17]	reptilian_thrills	if stallman had written esperanto, he would have done two things very differently
[16:17]	reptilian_thrills	1. the name would be an acronym
[16:17]	reptilian_thrills	2. it would have more parentheses than any other human language
[16:18]	reptilian_thrills	also it would probably be licensed gfdl, so you would be able to freely reproduce works written in the language on computers, but NOT on paper :/
[16:18]	XRevan86	Would be called KNEE: KNEE Ne Estas Esperanto
[16:18]	reptilian_thrills	/me cant stand the gfdl
[16:18]	reptilian_thrills	<XRevan86> Would be called KNEE: KNEE Ne Estas Esperant <- lol
[16:19]	MinceR	arrow in the KNEE
[16:19]	reptilian_thrills	KNEE! "no! no shrubberies!"
[16:19]	MinceR	12 171654 < reptilian_thrills> it would make more sense to write a new language <- they tried that, and they called it esperanto
[16:19]	MinceR	loglan/lojban is more of a "new" thing
[16:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[16:20]	MinceR	esperanto seems to mostly just be a mashup of romance and slavic languages
[16:20]	reptilian_thrills	fair point
[16:20]	MinceR	interlingua is a mashup of romance languages
[16:20]	reptilian_thrills	english isnt even a real language
[16:20]		*NoseCandy snorts some crushed adderol off a strippers ass
[16:21]	MinceR	"they're not even a real country anyway"
[16:21]	XRevan86	Interlingua is like Inter-Romance, it inherits some legacy features just because they'd be recognisable to native speakers of French and such.
[16:21]	NoseCandy	rust is the best language
[16:21]	MinceR	lol
[16:21]	reptilian_thrills	 ACTION snorts some crushed adderol  off a strippers ass <- /me translates this to esperanto
[16:21]	reptilian_thrills	rust is the best language <- adderol is a hell of a drug
[16:21]	XRevan86	MinceR: So Interlingua and Esperanto are very different in how they approach language building on the most basic level.
[16:22]	NoseCandy	the great thing about adderol is that it's not illegal
[16:22]	reptilian_thrills	neither is paint thinner, but im good
[16:22]	NoseCandy	my doctor probably wouldn't be too impressed with what im doing with it though
[16:22]	MinceR	:)
[16:23]	XRevan86	While Esperanto is a language where the grammar is built from scratch not with a goal to resemble anything.
[16:23]	reptilian_thrills	my doctor probably wouldn't be too impressed <- they might appreciate the "off a strippers ass" part
[16:23]	reptilian_thrills	/me imagines that being figured into a prescription
[16:23]	reptilian_thrills	"take 2 capsules (crushed) by snorting off a strippers ass daily"
[16:24]	reptilian_thrills	qty: 50
[16:24]	NoseCandy	lol
[16:24]	reptilian_thrills	if congestion or nasal irritation develops, consult a physician 
[16:25]	reptilian_thrills	pinocchio was a cautionary tale about snorting viagra
[16:26]	NoseCandy	lmao
[16:26]	NoseCandy	"every time you lie, take a hit"
[16:28]	reptilian_thrills	/me asks reddit if snorting rainbow sprinkles off a crossdressers ass is gay
[16:28]	reptilian_thrills	"asking for a friend"
[16:32]	reptilian_thrills	reddit replies: it turns out, that isnt gay at all, but its a hell of a way to break the ice in a conversation
[16:33]	reptilian_thrills	another redditor adds: but its totally gay if its those little silver ball cake decorations
[16:33]	reptilian_thrills	good to know
[16:33]	reptilian_thrills	thank god for reddit
[16:34]	MinceR	"if the balls are touching, it's gay"
[16:34]	reptilian_thrills	when i decorate a cake i always make sure the balls arent touching
[16:34]	MinceR	:>
[16:36]	reptilian_thrills	"is constantly worrying about whether a textbook litany of everyday things are gay, itself also gay?"
[16:36]	reptilian_thrills	"oh, HONEY! EXTREMELY!"
[16:37]	MinceR	:>
[16:37]	reptilian_thrills	/me waits for reddit and ru pauls drag race to merge into a reality show about doing all the things that reddit says are gay
[16:38]	reptilian_thrills	ru paul: "blows" whistle "foul ball!"
[16:38]	reptilian_thrills	basketball players in drag: "how is that a foul?"
[16:38]	reptilian_thrills	"they arent touching!"
[16:38]	reptilian_thrills	"theres only one ball!"
[16:38]	MinceR	lol
[16:38]	reptilian_thrills	"that doesnt stop tom green, honey!"
[16:47]	reptilian_thrills	https://www.theonion.com/hallmark-apologizes-for-role-in-supplying-third-reich-w-1839724930
[16:47]	TR Bot	 Hallmark Apologizes For Role In Supplying Third Reich With Greeting Cards
[16:48]	reptilian_thrills	https://www.theonion.com/stepson-absolutely-nailing-jeopardy-category-about-thir-1821386055
[16:48]	TR Bot	 Stepson Absolutely Nailing Jeopardy Category About Third Reich
[16:51]	schestowitz[TR]	<XRevan86> https://thetruestory.news/en/stories/aaee686b-61ff-11ed-8373-531944c53eeb Who knew this would happen?
[16:51]	TR Bot	 Twitter Blue subscriptions paused after surge in verified imposter accounts True Story
[16:51]	schestowitz[TR]	:-)
[16:51]	schestowitz[TR]	selling creds to fakes
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[16:52]	reptilian_thrills	The Third Reich put a $5,000 bounty on Einstein's head and denounced his discovery of the Theory of Relativity as Jewish propaganda. <- sounds like dr sixel (sounds EXACTLY like dr sixel. i think he called einstein "bunk")
[16:54]	reptilian_thrills	fun fact, calculation the theory of relativity on a z80 processor produces an overflow error as you approach the speed of light
[16:54]	reptilian_thrills	especially if you are running zsh in vi mode
[16:55]	reptilian_thrills	zsh <- the official unix shell of the putler regime
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[16:56]	reptilian_thrills	/me checks to see if "z" is even in the cyrillic alphabet
[16:56]	XRevan86	reptilian_thrills: It's not.
[16:56]	reptilian_thrills	it is if you rotate and flip it
[16:58]	XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ze_(Cyrillic)
[16:58]	TR Bot	 Ze (Cyrillic) - Wikipedia
[16:58]	XRevan86	> In the Early Cyrillic alphabet its name was (zemlja), meaning "earth". The shape of the letter originally looked similar to a Greek or Latin letter Z with a tail on the bottom ().
[16:58]	XRevan86	There's this detail though.
[16:59]	TR News	grift https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2022/11/11/its-still-always-about-the-grift-and-grifters/ |
[16:59]	TR Bot	 It's still always about the griftand the grifters - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE
[16:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[16:59]	reptilian_thrills	so if you flip a russian tank on end, when you look in the rearview mirror it will be in cyrillic
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[17:00]	XRevan86	"There's this detail though" <- It's not actually related to the Z army, but sometimes brought up as retcon.
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[17:03]	XRevan86	Because of course the traditionalist types are not at ease with that their ideology bears as a symbol a Latin (Western!) letter.
[17:03]	reptilian_thrills	Because of course the traditionalist types are not at ease with that <- as i imagined :)
[17:04]	reptilian_thrills	dont worry! its sort of like cyrillic!
[17:05]	reptilian_thrills	"you know what makes us great? anyone that can better us in any other way... we kill them!"
[17:06]	reptilian_thrills	"that sounds like a serious inferiority complex"
[17:06]	reptilian_thrills	"oh, well, thats just propaganda..."
[17:07]	XRevan86	Anyone that can better us is against the corruptive interests of the autocratic leadership.
[17:07]	XRevan86	Burn it with fire.
[17:07]	reptilian_thrills	the corruptive interests of the autocratic leadership are russia, and russia is god
[17:08]	reptilian_thrills	(well, russia and todd rundgren)
[17:09]	reptilian_thrills	imo russia should sever its western ties altogether and occupy only the asian portion of itself, shunning the rest with a big wall
[17:09]	reptilian_thrills	down with russian europe!-- russian traditionalists
[17:10]	reptilian_thrills	"why are you against russian europe?"
[17:10]	reptilian_thrills	"because its technically western!"
[17:10]	reptilian_thrills	"and?"
[17:10]	reptilian_thrills	"we hate the west!"
[17:10]	XRevan86	s/(technically) western/\1 Satan/ :)
[17:10]	reptilian_thrills	"and their stupid funny-looking alphabet, a chimp could do better"
[17:11]	reptilian_thrills	a REAL z has a tail
[17:11]	reptilian_thrills	/me adds a tail to all the "z"s on russian tanks
[17:11]	reptilian_thrills	that was close
[17:12]	reptilian_thrills	the funny thing is when you have to get things wrong to prop up whats "traditionally right" 
[17:12]	XRevan86	Western Satan is evil, unlike atan, who's a lovely chap.
[17:12]	AdmFubar	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8_mePjkQW_c
[17:12]	TR Bot	 Could it be SATAN - Invidious
[17:13]	reptilian_thrills	unlike atan, who's a lovely chap <- he can be used to find pi
[17:13]	XRevan86	AdmFubar: I'll use it in #techpol next time appropriate news pop up :)
[17:14]	reptilian_thrills	 to get things wrong to prop up whats "traditionally right" <- like ben shapiro refuses to call trans people "she" because (he insists) that "she" only refers to someone with xx chromosomes
[17:14]	reptilian_thrills	which is factually wrong in two different ways at least, and facts dont care about (ben shapiros) feelings
[17:14]	reptilian_thrills	1. not everyone who is considered a cis woman is (or ever was) only xx
[17:15]	reptilian_thrills	2. the word "she" predates any knowledge of xx chromosomes, so ben shapiro is actually retconning english in the name of preserving it
[17:15]	reptilian_thrills	he wants english to ignore facts and cater to his feelings
[17:17]	reptilian_thrills	but when you have dogma based on tradition, this is bound to happen
[17:17]	AdmFubar	XRevan86   y/w
[17:17]	schestowitz[TR]	atan Ibramovich
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[17:18]	reptilian_thrills	i think in the name of appeasing traditionalists, the west should come collect its cd collection, so to speak
[17:18]	XRevan86	reptilian_thrills: It's like that Russia traditionally has never been this traditional.
[17:18]	reptilian_thrills	for example, please come retrieve all sandwiches. they are a distinctly british abomination
[17:19]	reptilian_thrills	<XRevan86> reptilian_thrills: It's like that Russia traditionally has never been this traditional <- oh i get that, but its fun to have fun with
[17:19]	reptilian_thrills	russia should stop making sandwiches altogether
[17:19]	MinceR	(cat) https://www.deviantart.com/furlined/art/A-regal-breed-888308504
[17:19]	TR Bot	regal breed by FurLined on DeviantArt
[17:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[17:20]	reptilian_thrills	also, in britain they drive on the left side of the road. in america, they drive on the right
[17:20]	reptilian_thrills	thus in russia, the roads should be rebuilt as mobius strips, so that neither side is left or right
[17:20]	XRevan86	reptilian_thrills: Putting two butterbrots together should be illegal :)
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[17:20]	reptilian_thrills	its an insult to russian greatness
[17:21]	MinceR	i wouldn't worry about the roads in orcland or hungary
[17:21]	MinceR	they aren't going to stick around for long :>
[17:21]	reptilian_thrills	where russias going, it doesnt need... roads
[17:21]	MinceR	indeed
[17:21]	MinceR	all it needs is graves
[17:21]	reptilian_thrills	/me honestly hopes russia pulls out of this stupid mess
[17:21]	MinceR	or incinerators, or towers of silence, or something like that
[17:21]	TR News	Playing Ignorant gemini://idiomdrottning.org/character-knowledge
[17:21]	XRevan86	reptilian_thrills: Same.
[17:21]	reptilian_thrills	and by pulls out, i mean leaves
[17:21]		*MinceR honestly hopes russia is ended by this mess
[17:22]	MinceR	so that they won't be able to fuck us up again and again and again
[17:22]	MinceR	i'm really sick of it
[17:22]	XRevan86	MinceR: Give us one last chance!
[17:22]	MinceR	XRevan86: get humanity to give itself one last chance
[17:22]	TR News	"Vitruvian's first album "Devenir" has been released." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1191
[17:22]	MinceR	if it does, countries won't matter anymore
[17:22]	XRevan86	MinceR: I'm not a magician.
[17:22]	MinceR	if it doesn't, humanity won't exist anymore
[17:24]	reptilian_thrills	/me loves that putin thinks you can make something non-western by simply rebranding it
[17:25]	reptilian_thrills	/me sends putin an american flag with a hammer and sickle on it
[17:25]	reptilian_thrills	"theres only two groups of people this flag wont piss off"
[17:25]	reptilian_thrills	"who?"
[17:25]	reptilian_thrills	"comedians, and 4chan"
[17:25]	reptilian_thrills	"im not even sure about 4chan"
[17:26]	XRevan86	reptilian_thrills: Send it to the Putin's Battalions :).
[17:26]	TR News	SpellBinding: EHKMORW Wordo: TAXES gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-11-12.gmi
[17:26]	MinceR	https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/984/565/ebc.gif
[17:26]	TR News	Inverted DC gemini://idiomdrottning.org/inverted-dc
[17:27]	reptilian_thrills	https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/984/565/ebc.gif <- lol right
[17:27]	TR News	4x4x4 Improvements gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202211/20221112-4x4x4-improvements.gmi
[17:27]	reptilian_thrills	/me is pretty sure microsoft thought of this before they went with the lgbtq flag
[17:28]	reptilian_thrills	"unite everybody?"
[17:28]	reptilian_thrills	"maybe not like this..."
[17:28]	MinceR	also, i hope russia doesn't just become more territory for red china
[17:28]	reptilian_thrills	https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/984/565/ebc.gif <- unity!
[17:28]	MinceR	those bastards are too close as it is
[17:28]	TR News	Re: An Exercise In Frustration gemini://ew.srht.site/en/20221112-re-frustration.gmi
[17:28]	reptilian_thrills	 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
[17:29]	XRevan86	Speaking of, after Elon bought Twitter and drove it to the ground, maybe he should consider the offer :)
[17:29]	XRevan86	https://t.me/pravdaGerashchenko_en/20490 ( https://nitter.it/Gerashchenko_en/status/1587055312200253442 )
[17:29]	TR Bot	 Telegram: Contact @pravdaGerashchenko_en
[17:29]	TR Bot	Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en): "Putin's battalions continue inviting @elonmusk to Russia and offering him political shelter. They offer good marriage to him. I wonder who gives them ideas for these videos?"|nitter.it
[17:29]	reptilian_thrills	maybe he should consider the offer <- is putin trying to buy it from him?
[17:29]	MinceR	lol
[17:29]	reptilian_thrills	/me cant wait to see what twitter is branded as once the kremlin operates it
[17:30]	XRevan86	reptilian_thrills: Just look at ICQ %).
[17:30]	reptilian_thrills	to be fair, its halfway there already
[17:31]	XRevan86	reptilian_thrills: "is putin trying to buy it from him?" <- No, it's just clowns reacting to the threat to shoot down satellites that help Ukraine.
[17:32]	XRevan86	The threat is already forgotten because, as expected, it went nowhere.
[17:33]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22111248
[17:33]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/2ry67ku9u4z91.png created on 2022-11-12 17:21:19.705052
[17:35]	TR News	inflation https://fair.org/home/gene-slater-on-housing-crisis-rakeen-mabud-on-inflation-coverage/ | Source: FAIR
[17:35]	TR Bot	 Gene Slater on Housing Crisis, Rakeen Mabud on Inflation Coverage - FAIR
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[18:09]	TR News	"Proekt, iStories, The Insider, and Bellingcat" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/11/11/five-investigative-journalism-projects-including-team-navalny-release-app-to-bypass-russia-s-censors | Source: Meduza
[18:09]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[18:11]	TR News	"Earlier today, I deleted all of my tweets and left Twitter forever. While I plan on leaving a nightlight thread for a while, I will eventually close my account, assuming Elon doesnt do it for me." https://ariadne.space/2022/11/12/twitters-demise-is-activitypubs-future/
[18:11]	TR Bot	 Twitter's demise is ActivityPub's future | Ariadne's Space
[18:12]	schestowitz[TR]	\0/
[18:13]	XRevan86	Didn't think the launch of the Samizdat application would be interesting in English.
[18:13]	MinceR	maybe musk could also buy MICROS~1 and ibm?
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[18:17]	TR News	Mageia 9 Alpha 1 http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/iso/cauldron/Mageia-9-alpha1-Live-Plasma-x86_64/
[18:17]	TR Bot	 Index of /pub/linux/Mageia/iso/cauldron/Mageia-9-alpha1-Live-Plasma-x86_64
[18:18]	TR News	Rust is a mess. Lack of standards. https://diziet.dreamwidth.org/13476.html
[18:18]	TR Bot	 diziet | Stop writing Rust linked list libraries!
[18:19]	TR News	Nitrux 2.5.0 Review | DistroDelves LIVE - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lhy2QyGt96w | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/lhy2QyGt96w
[18:19]	TR Bot	 Nitrux 2.5.0 Review | DistroDelves LIVE - Invidious
[18:19]	reptilian_thrills	 Didn't think the launch of the Samizdat application would be interesting in English <- many things that have the word "samizdat" in them are interesting to many people
[18:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[18:20]	reptilian_thrills	 maybe musk could also buy MICROS~1 and ibm? <- he would be killed
[18:20]	XRevan86	It's there just to dodge RKN and spread journalism in Russia.
[18:20]	reptilian_thrills	its not the money, its the power
[18:20]	XRevan86	For the English audience it's completely useless.
[18:20]	reptilian_thrills	money was the motivation, power became an even stronger goal
[18:21]	reptilian_thrills	 For the English audience it's completely useless <- the global audience is increasingly interested in what they can read through crappy machine translation
[18:21]	XRevan86	reptilian_thrills: They can just access the websites directly, which also provide English translations themselves :).
[18:22]	reptilian_thrills	he would be killed <- unless he was already part of that community, and i think hes an outsider in a few ways
[18:22]	XRevan86	Well, iStories doesn't, but Proekt ( https://proekt.media/en/home/ ), The Insider ( https://theins.press/en ) and Bellingcat (English by default) do.
[18:22]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://proekt.media/en/home/ )
[18:22]	TR Bot	 The Insider reports, analytics, investigations
[18:22]	reptilian_thrills	but i could be wrong
[18:23]	XRevan86	https://istories.media/en/ is a thing I guess, it's just that nothing I wanted to cite of theirs is present there.
[18:23]	TR Bot	 IStories
[18:24]	reptilian_thrills	 <XRevan86> It's there just to dodge RKN and spread journalism in Russia. <- thats of interest to anyone interested in free press
[18:24]	reptilian_thrills	if its not interesting as a source, its interesting in and of itself
[18:24]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/today_s_howtos.2.gmi 
[18:24]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[18:24]	reptilian_thrills	its an experiment, and people will watch it to see how it turns out
[18:24]	XRevan86	reptilian_thrills: Maybe, but I haven't seen any technical details about it shared, and I'm not into figuring it out myself.
[18:25]	reptilian_thrills	they would have done so with the soviet union, but it wasnt easy to follow
[18:25]	reptilian_thrills	there are still people interested in the soviet experiement after the fact
[18:25]	reptilian_thrills	I haven't seen any technical details about it shared, and I'm not into figuring it out myself. <- one neednt examine the workings to look at the effects
[18:25]	reptilian_thrills	i think both would be interesting, but the latter would suffice
[18:26]	TR News	crypto crap https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/11/11/warren-says-crypto-empires-collapse-must-be-wake-call-regulators | Source: Common Dreams
[18:26]	TR Bot	 Warren Says Crypto Empire's Collapse Must Be 'Wake Up Call' for Regulators
[18:26]	XRevan86	The easiest way to implement something like this is to host the articles on Google Cloud behind a URL that doesn't reveal in SNI that it's dissident information, and then access that from a fancy headless web browser.
[18:26]	reptilian_thrills	russias press is more of an op press right now, and as a result, journalists are oppressed
[18:27]	reptilian_thrills	so if theres a way to fight that, im sure many journalists in and out of many regimes will be taking notes
[18:27]	reptilian_thrills	its always useful to see how to fight op pression
[18:27]	XRevan86	"to look at the effects" <- True, but too early for that.
[18:28]	XRevan86	Another problem is that for most Russians the more effective tool of spreading any kind of information is Telegram. As it's not blocked but both pro-Kremlin and dissidents post stuff there.
[18:28]	reptilian_thrills	why would you wait until after the first days to pay attention? we are discussing it right now, with arguably less interest than the people i imagine caring about this
[18:29]	reptilian_thrills	both pro-Kremlin and dissidents post stuff there <- free speech platforms and online platforms in general suffer from organised disinfo
[18:29]	reptilian_thrills	including the feds-iverse
[18:30]	XRevan86	reptilian_thrills: Telegram is officially not dealing with that, and that's probably why it's not blocked in Russia.
[18:30]	XRevan86	It's a deal that works for everyone.
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[18:37]	reptilian_thrills	thats better the fedsiverse
[18:37]	reptilian_thrills	the feds-iverse was part of the coup imo
[18:37]	reptilian_thrills	both free software and open source thought they were fighting on their own soil there
[18:37]	reptilian_thrills	the difference is open source was right
[18:38]	reptilian_thrills	its not a free platform, its a propaganda campaign of the fake left
[18:38]	reptilian_thrills	fake left = corporate shills
[18:38]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22111230
[18:38]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?att=1;bug=908853;filename=spam.jpg;msg=15 created on 2022-11-12 11:29:10.697098
[18:38]	reptilian_thrills	eben moglen inspired it. i dont blame him.
[18:38]	reptilian_thrills	actually he inspired disapora
[18:39]	reptilian_thrills	mastodon is shit. evan pomodoro is shit.
[18:39]	reptilian_thrills	the fediverse is worse than shit.
[18:39]	reptilian_thrills	good idea, implementation sucks rotten arsehole
[18:39]	reptilian_thrills	the community sucks rotten arsehole
[18:39]	reptilian_thrills	with the fediverse running, osi is obsolete.
[18:39]	reptilian_thrills	they decentralised. fsf didnt.
[18:40]	schestowitz[TR]	is nice. is dead
[18:40]	reptilian_thrills	its an ideological gangbang
[18:40]	schestowitz[TR]	(boa vocie)
[18:40]	reptilian_thrills	the ideology is shilling for whoever is winning. when youre david and theyre goliath, idiots root for goliath
[18:41]	reptilian_thrills	of course sometimes david is a prick anyway :)
[18:41]	reptilian_thrills	but you dont actually have to root for either under those circumstances
[18:43]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[18:43]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[18:43]	TR News	 (NEW): Twitter's demise is ActivityPubs future http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Twitter_s_demise_is_ActivityPub_s_future.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Twitter_s_demise_is_ActivityPub_s_future.gmi 
[18:43]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Twitter's demise is ActivityPubs future
[18:47]	TR News	slaughterhouses https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/11/11/horrendous-labor-dept-accuses-company-employing-dozens-children-slaughterhouses | Source: Common Dreams
[18:47]	TR Bot	 'Horrendous': Labor Dept Accuses Company of Employing Dozens of Children at Slaughterhouses
[18:48]	schestowitz[TR]	Ariadne: well done, bravo!
[18:50]	schestowitz[TR]	twitter ought to be something we all elave behind
[18:50]	schestowitz[TR]	and recall as something that once upon a time was not so toxic
[18:50]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe 10+ years ago
[18:51]	schestowitz[TR]	twitter was all along about CONTROLLING comms
[18:52]	schestowitz[TR]	like, banning you for a bit after making a 5g joke
[18:52]	schestowitz[TR]	they did this to many people
[18:52]	schestowitz[TR]	now, with musk controlling the comms (or hoping to), the threat is even greater
[18:52]	schestowitz[TR]	twitter is a mitm
[18:53]	TR News	"post-Supercon buzz" https://hackaday.com/2022/11/11/hackaday-podcast-192-supercon-was-awesome-how-to-grind-ics-and-make-your-own-telescope/ | Source: Hackaday
[18:53]	TR Bot	Podcast 192: Supercon Was Awesome, How To Grind ICs And Make Your Own Telescope | Hackaday
[18:54]	TR News	turbines https://hackaday.com/2022/11/11/scratch-built-wind-turbine-makes-power-and-turns-heads/ | Source: Hackaday
[18:54]	TR Bot	Built Wind Turbine Makes Power And Turns Heads | Hackaday
[18:55]	reptilian_thrills	musk in the middle
[18:55]	schestowitz[TR]	if someone wants to chat with me, use email with pgp
[18:56]	schestowitz[TR]	or mumble
[18:56]	schestowitz[TR]	we have a new server at home, I can do chat over voice too
[18:56]	techuser	email is flawed
[18:56]	techuser	because Gmail
[18:56]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah
[18:56]	schestowitz[TR]	on many levels
[18:56]	schestowitz[TR]	not just privacy
[18:56]	schestowitz[TR]	gmail is not email
[18:56]	schestowitz[TR]	there is webmail
[18:56]	schestowitz[TR]	and that can intercept pgp
[18:56]	reptilian_thrills	gine
[18:56]	schestowitz[TR]	at JS level
[18:57]	schestowitz[TR]	mumble is encrypted
[18:57]		*techuser has quit (connection closed)
[18:57]	schestowitz[TR]	for voice and text
[18:57]	reptilian_thrills	and that can intercept pgp <- at JS level <- not if you do it properly
[18:57]	schestowitz[TR]	wait
[18:57]	schestowitz[TR]	you or?
[18:57]	schestowitz[TR]	the other side?
[18:57]	schestowitz[TR]	I might do it ok
[18:57]		*techuser (~techuser@5c84rj45gkqvi.irc) has joined #techrights
[18:58]	schestowitz[TR]	but if I send an encrypted message to someone who puts keys in the clown
[18:58]	schestowitz[TR]	or webmail
[18:58]	schestowitz[TR]	then they unlock the message
[18:58]	schestowitz[TR]	and mitm can read it
[18:58]	schestowitz[TR]	protonmail is a hairy one
[18:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[18:59]	schestowitz[TR]	protonmail also ratted out a climate activist in france
[18:59]	schestowitz[TR]	after (iirc) a swiss court demanded it
[18:59]	techuser	does Mumble have alternative implementations?
[18:59]	schestowitz[TR]	yes, many
● Nov 12
[19:00]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.mumble.info/downloads/
[19:00]	TR Bot	 Downloads | Mumble
[19:00]	schestowitz[TR]	at least 3
[19:00]	schestowitz[TR]	not official
[19:01]	schestowitz[TR]	mumla has some echo cancellation woes  (work in progress)
[19:01]	schestowitz[TR]	can be mitigated a bit with headset
[19:02]	schestowitz[TR]	some episodes of techbytes were recorded with mumble
[19:02]	reptilian_thrills	then they unlock the message <- and mitm can read it <- fair point
[19:03]	schestowitz[TR]	when I'm done studying those other clients I'll do articles and videos
[19:03]	reptilian_thrills	protonmail also ratted out a climate activist in france <- that probably wont happen too often, but theyre probably a scam anyway
[19:03]	schestowitz[TR]	I'm still elarning all the nitty gritty details andf features
[19:03]	reptilian_thrills	imo pgp shouldnt be done in the browser AT ALL
[19:03]	reptilian_thrills	only outside it
[19:03]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/09/07/protonmail-criticised-for-passing-arrested-french-climate-activist-s-ip-address-to-police
[19:04]	TR Bot	criticised for passing arrested French climate activist's IP address to police | Euronews
[19:04]	schestowitz[TR]	response: https://proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest
[19:04]	TR Bot	 Important clarifications regarding arrest of climate activist | Proton
[19:04]	reptilian_thrills	yeah i read that
[19:04]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/6/22659861/protonmail-swiss-court-order-french-climate-activist-arrest-identification
[19:04]	TR Bot	 ProtonMail court order leads to the arrest of French climate activist - The Verge
[19:04]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.euractiv.com/section/cybersecurity/news/protonmail-slams-french-tactics-following-backlash-on-climate-activist-case/
[19:04]	TR Bot	slams French tactics following backlash on climate activist case EURACTIV.com
[19:04]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.wired.com/story/protonmail-amends-policy-after-giving-up-activists-data/
[19:04]	TR Bot	Amends Its Policy After Giving Up an Activists Data | WIRED
[19:04]	schestowitz[TR]	lots more, you can look them uo, I use searx
[19:05]	TR News	railroad https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/11/11/working-and-striking-on-the-railroad/ | Source: Counter Punch
[19:05]	TR Bot	(and Striking) on the Railroad - CounterPunch.org
[19:05]	TR News	living wage https://truthout.org/articles/harpercollins-workers-are-demanding-murdochs-newscorp-pay-them-a-living-wage/ | Source: TruthOut
[19:05]	TR Bot	 HarperCollins Workers Are Demanding Murdochs News Corp Pay Them a Living Wage
[19:07]	TR News	Pokemon https://hackaday.com/2022/11/12/robot-gets-a-life-sized-pokemon-costume-for-halloween/ | Source: Hackaday
[19:07]	TR Bot	Gets A Life-Sized Pokemon Costume For Halloween | Hackaday
[19:07]	reptilian_thrills	protonmail-amends-policy-after-giving-up-activists-dat <- these terms of service may change at any time without notice
[19:07]	TR News	IPhone is a bundle of gimmicks and decreased efficiency, like in this case https://hackaday.com/2022/11/11/first-folding-iphone-doesnt-come-from-apple/ | Source: Hackaday
[19:07]	TR Bot	Folding IPhone Doesnt Come From Apple | Hackaday
[19:08]	TR News	"Stationary pumpkins and motionless skeletons arent enough to scare people these days." https://hackaday.com/2022/11/11/bike-riding-skeleton-stalks-the-streets-on-halloween/ | Source: Hackaday
[19:08]	TR Bot	Skeleton Stalks The Streets On Halloween | Hackaday
[19:11]	TR News	EFF milking Aaron Swartz after ousting EFF founders. "Those interested in attending in-person or remotely can register for the event here." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/11/celebrating-life-aaron-swartz-nov-12-and-nov-13 | Source: EFF
[19:11]	TR Bot	 Celebrating the Life of Aaron Swartz: Nov. 12 and Nov. 13 | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[19:12]	TR News	"Laboratory automation equipment is expensive stuff, to such a degree that small labs are often priced out of the market." https://hackaday.com/2022/11/11/3d-printer-repurposed-for-light-duty-lab-automation-tasks/ | Source: Hackaday
[19:12]	TR Bot	Printer Repurposed For Light-Duty Lab Automation Tasks | Hackaday
[19:14]	schestowitz[TR]	<reptilian_thrills> protonmail-amends-policy-after-giving-up-activists-dat <- these terms of service may change at any time without notice
[19:14]	schestowitz[TR]	formality aka optics
[19:14]	schestowitz[TR]	we have rules
[19:14]	schestowitz[TR]	like coc
[19:14]	schestowitz[TR]	but how are they
[19:14]	schestowitz[TR]	a) changed
[19:14]	schestowitz[TR]	2) applied
[19:14]	schestowitz[TR]	c) who applies them and when
[19:14]	schestowitz[TR]	(not the same as 2/b)
[19:14]	MinceR	https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5577a12ae4b053a499f459d5/1512352583735-G2SXS9A4URV6ZWVGWL6H/Things+I+Hate.jpg
[19:15]	schestowitz[TR]	usually the people "in charge"  have excuses when they refuse tto hold themselves accountable
[19:15]	reptilian_thrills	usually the people "in charge"  have excuses when they refuse tto hold themselves accountable <- ha! tell me about it
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR]	I've been having this scenario myself recently
[19:16]	reptilian_thrills	 :>
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR]	not against me
[19:16]	reptilian_thrills	no?
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR]	no
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR]	I was the one seeking accountability
[19:16]	reptilian_thrills	ah
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR]	common theme
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR]	generic:
[19:18]	reptilian_thrills	very
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR]	x shames y
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR]	z says x shames y
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR]	z gets punished/bollocking 
[19:18]	reptilian_thrills	shoot the messenger
[19:19]	TR News	[pull] amdgpu, amdkfd, radeon drm-next-6.2 https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20221111201852.6341-1-alexander.deucher@amd.com/T/#u
[19:19]	TR Bot	 [pull] amdgpu, amdkfd, radeon drm-next-6.2
[19:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[19:28]	starstreak	microsoft is so dumb
[19:29]	MinceR	and yet people still fall for their schemes
[19:30]	starstreak	for some reason evolution shows up as windows in the microsoft activity log, i thought my old email account got hacked again
[19:30]	starstreak	and its my ip address so i think they got into the wifi
[19:31]	MinceR	maybe it has to lie about what it is to get correct behavior
[19:31]	MinceR	like with ACPI
[19:31]	schestowitz[TR]	x says z is not polite :-)
[19:31]	schestowitz[TR]	x has big ego
[19:31]	MinceR	and some UEFI implementations
[19:31]	starstreak	yeah its entirely possible
[19:31]	starstreak	i was using evolution with the ews plugin
[19:31]	TR News	wlroots 0.16 Released https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/tags/0.16.0
[19:31]	TR Bot	 0.16.0 Tags wlroots / wlroots GitLab
[19:32]	starstreak	TIL that gnome uses evolution to sync the calendar without asking
[19:32]	starstreak	so all these logins were just gnome checking things
[19:32]	MinceR	just gnome checking what you're doing on the toilet
[19:32]	MinceR	and in bed
[19:32]	starstreak	lol
[19:33]	TR News	MPV 0.35 released, but outsourced to Microsoft Proprietary Prison https://mpv.io/
[19:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mpv.io
[19:34]	TR News	Debian's Bastian Venthur: "Due to recent events around Twitter, I finally decided to give Mastodon a try." https://venthur.de/2022-11-12-mastodon.html
[19:34]	TR Bot	 Mastodon | Bastian Venthur's Blog
[19:34]	reptilian_thrills	 TIL that gnome uses evolution to sync the calendar without asking <- this (really) is why i would never use gnome
[19:34]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/cold-war   https://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/166620007020221019after.png
[19:34]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Cold War
[19:34]	reptilian_thrills	they presume its their computer-- not mine
[19:34]	reptilian_thrills	its not the only example. far from it.
[19:35]	reptilian_thrills	systemd does stuff "without asking" too
[19:35]	reptilian_thrills	like... everything
[19:35]	starstreak	i can see how its useful but i had no idea that was turned on
[19:35]	reptilian_thrills	your opinion doesnt even matter
[19:35]	reptilian_thrills	(no users does)
[19:35]	starstreak	i only complain because im stupid and thought i got hacked
[19:35]	reptilian_thrills	but i had no idea that was turned on <- users = sirfs
[19:35]	starstreak	last time i got hacked, i hardened it with 2fa
[19:35]	reptilian_thrills	this is a real attitude among (some) developers
[19:35]	reptilian_thrills	<starstreak> last time i got hacked, i hardened it with 2fa <- 2fa actually makes me go soft
[19:36]	starstreak	its not phone number based
[19:36]	starstreak	its TOTP
[19:36]	reptilian_thrills	totp just lip syncs
[19:36]	starstreak	i have an app on my phone that gives me a code to login
[19:36]	MinceR	12 203501 < reptilian_thrills> systemd does stuff "without asking" too
[19:36]	reptilian_thrills	i have an app on my phone that gives me a code <- so they dont get your phone number, just other information about your phone?
[19:37]	MinceR	systemd even ends up on a system without asking
[19:37]	reptilian_thrills	<reptilian_thrills> like... everything
[19:37]	reptilian_thrills	yeah
[19:37]	reptilian_thrills	why would it ask? lennart is always right
[19:37]	reptilian_thrills	s/lennart/ibm/
[19:38]	starstreak	reptilian_thrills, thats if i use the microsoft totp app
[19:38]	reptilian_thrills	s/ibm/microsoft/
[19:38]	starstreak	you can use other totp apps
[19:38]	starstreak	keepassxc supports it
[19:38]	reptilian_thrills	the name keepass always makes me giggle
[19:38]	MinceR	:)
[19:38]	schestowitz[TR]	<reptilian_thrills> why would it ask? lennart is always right
[19:38]	schestowitz[TR]	AlwaysREeich
[19:38]	MinceR	jawohl
[19:38]	starstreak	systemd isn't making me think i got hacked
[19:39]	MinceR	then the trick is working
[19:39]	reptilian_thrills	systemd-fooledyoud
[19:40]		*starstreak laughs in systemd-boot
[19:40]	starstreak	systemd-boot > grub
[19:40]	TR News	 (NEW): Debian: Leaving Twitter, Videoteam Sprint in Cape Town, and WordPress 6.1 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Debian_Leaving_Twitter_Videoteam_Sprint_in_Cape_Town_and_WordPr.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Debian_Leaving_Twitter_Videoteam_Sprint_in_Cape_Town_and_WordPr.gmi 
[19:40]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Debian: Leaving Twitter, Videoteam Sprint in Cape Town, and WordPress 6.1
[19:40]	reptilian_thrills	why should any other company help you control what your computer does?
[19:40]	reptilian_thrills	why shouldnt everything be controlled by microsoft and ibm, just like before free software spent 35 years trying to stop that?
[19:41]	reptilian_thrills	open source never had a problem with this
[19:41]	starstreak	yeah like why is gnome syncing calender when evolution isn't even running
[19:41]	reptilian_thrills	oh, it sort of did
[19:41]	reptilian_thrills	"im your worst nightmare"/ally
[19:41]	reptilian_thrills	worst nightmare/best friend
[19:41]	MinceR	what is esr's position regarding open source now?
[19:41]	starstreak	esr invented open source
[19:42]	reptilian_thrills	craig mundie: and who are you? esr: *rambo voice* "im your bff..."
[19:42]	reptilian_thrills	esr invented open source <- except for linucks, which was invented by greg koah hartman at novell
[19:42]	MinceR	lol
[19:42]	starstreak	i like greg, hes funny
[19:43]	MinceR	that's why you're going to kill him last?
[19:43]	schestowitz[TR]	greg is a microsoft attack surface
[19:43]	schestowitz[TR]	they put shit in linux through him
[19:43]	starstreak	i watched one of his linucks talks
[19:43]	schestowitz[TR]	since novellm became subsidiary of msft
[19:43]	reptilian_thrills	i watched one of his linucks talks <- me too, i stood on a ladder
[19:43]	MinceR	i saw him try to get kdbus into Linux
[19:43]	starstreak	kde dbus?
[19:44]	MinceR	i saw him become official figurehead of the project after the suits did something to Torvalds to make him step down
[19:44]	MinceR	no
[19:44]	MinceR	kernel dbus
[19:44]	reptilian_thrills	i saw him try to get kdbus into Linux <- when hes done with linucks itll have holes big enough to drive kdbus through
[19:44]	starstreak	attack surface btw
[19:44]	starstreak	openbsd needs to fix a few things before I run it
[19:44]		*KiKi (~KiKi@urbrennxh2mqu.irc) has joined #techrights
[19:45]	starstreak	the main thing is its speed, which is slow
[19:45]	MinceR	"Remember, Sully, when I promised to kill you last?" "That's right, Matrix. You did!" "I LIED."
[19:45]	reptilian_thrills	openbsd has a smaller attack surface because x wont start unless you type rcctl enable xenodm
[19:45]	MinceR	starstreak: were you ever a windows user?
[19:45]	starstreak	MinceR, yeah
[19:46]	MinceR	starstreak: and what made you stop using it?
[19:46]	starstreak	i got a mac
[19:46]	MinceR	starstreak: and what made you stop using macos?
[19:46]	reptilian_thrills	she still uses it
[19:46]	starstreak	the mac screen stopped working so i have to hook it up to an external display
[19:47]	reptilian_thrills	i thought you ran macos on it
[19:47]	starstreak	i did run macos on it
[19:47]	starstreak	it still runs on it
[19:47]	MinceR	ah, so your mac broke and you couldn't afford to fix it the apple way (i.e. throw it out and buy a new one)
[19:47]	starstreak	exactly
[19:47]	TR News	Handy machine cuts and strips wires so you dont have to | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/11/12/handy-machine-cuts-and-strips-wires-so-you-dont-have-to/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/11/12/handy-machine-cuts-and-strips-wires-so-you-dont-have-to/
[19:47]	starstreak	i bought a PC replacement
[19:47]	TR Bot	 Handy machine cuts and strips wires so you dont have to | Arduino Blog
[19:47]	starstreak	a refurb 4th gen i5
[19:47]	MinceR	and what do you run on the PC?
[19:47]	starstreak	Arch linucks
[19:47]	MinceR	why not windows?
[19:47]	starstreak	i dont like windows
[19:48]	starstreak	its slower
[19:48]	MinceR	and why not hackintosh?
[19:48]	starstreak	i probably could do hackintosh
[19:48]	MinceR	well, don't be too shocked when systemd/Linux becomes too slow for you to use
[19:48]	TR News	kifarunix used to cover UNIX/Linux. It still covers these topics sometimes; but FAAAAR too much WEBSPAM in between, like this latest VPN SPAM https://kifarunix.com/are-vpns-safe-for-playing-games-online/
[19:48]	TR Bot	VPNs Safe for Playing Games Online? - kifarunix.com
[19:48]	starstreak	but im quite happy with gnome and having a lot of free software 
[19:48]	reptilian_thrills	itll take them a while
[19:48]	TR News	 (NEW): In praise of Plan 9 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/In_praise_of_Plan_9.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/In_praise_of_Plan_9.gmi 
[19:48]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines In praise of Plan 9
[19:48]	starstreak	i can homebrew on mac
[19:49]	reptilian_thrills	 but im quite happy with gnome <- this suggests itll take a while
[19:49]	MinceR	:>
[19:49]	MinceR	they're working on it
[19:49]	starstreak	gnome doesn't run slow on my system yet
[19:49]	MinceR	"yet" being the key word
[19:49]	starstreak	i would probably go with mate
[19:49]	TR News	"Contexts make it easy for a single Docker CLI to manage multiple Swarm clusters, multiple Kubernetes clusters, and multiple individual Docker nodes." https://thenewstack.io/connect-to-remote-docker-machines-with-docker-context/
[19:49]	TR Bot	 Connect to Remote Docker Machines with Docker Context - The New Stack
[19:49]	starstreak	or maybe even cinnamon
[19:50]	starstreak	there is also a chance i might switch to kde if it was faster than gnome
[19:50]	starstreak	i got 16GB ram and an ssd
[19:51]	reptilian_thrills	/me installs gnome on two turntables and a microphone
[19:51]		*MinceR installs Linux on a dead badger
[19:51]	starstreak	if linux ever pissed me off enough, freebsd is currently an option
[19:51]	starstreak	freebsd has kde
[19:51]	reptilian_thrills	 freebsd is currently an option <- mmmmmmmmmmmm
[19:52]	MinceR	freebsd is already worse than linux
[19:52]	reptilian_thrills	is it?
[19:52]	MinceR	it got a CoC before Linux did
[19:52]	starstreak	freebsd running mate is only like 384MB ram
[19:52]	MinceR	it was taken over by crApple and MICROS~1 before Linux was
[19:52]	reptilian_thrills	yeah but they got a stupid coc
[19:52]	starstreak	MinceR, is it just the CoC?
[19:52]	MinceR	hubbard nearly managed to get launchd into it
[19:52]	reptilian_thrills	and then they actually mitigated the stupid coc
[19:52]	MinceR	i don't think the "modern" people gave up on it
[19:52]	reptilian_thrills	freebsd makes some big mistakes, but unlike nearly everyone else, it sometimes fixes them
[19:53]	TR News	Doubly reporting your personal to the NSA (via PRISM/Gulag/CondyBox) https://www.addictivetips.com/chromebook/how-to-sync-your-dropbox-on-a-chromebook/
[19:53]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/chromebook/how-to-sync-your-dropbox-on-a-chromebook/ )
[19:53]	reptilian_thrills	/me wonders if freebsd is forkable
[19:53]	reptilian_thrills	i think there are forks
[19:53]	starstreak	steam for linux can run windows games, but that doesn't work if you're emulating linux to run steam
[19:53]	TR News	Earphones that don't work without batteries = gimmick and waste of money. https://www.maketecheasier.com/airpods-alternatives-best-true-wireless-earphones/
[19:53]	TR Bot	 AirPods Alternatives: 5 of the Best Wireless Earphones You Should Get - Make Tech Easier
[19:53]	reptilian_thrills	they suck too, but if its forkable, thats good
[19:53]	reptilian_thrills	linux isnt
[19:54]	MinceR	there are ancient forks, every single one of which is more worth using than freebsd
[19:54]	TR News	"This C++ program is MUCH slower compared to Python because of this programming Mistake Speed comparison between a Python program and a C++ program." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eUZctvytMt0
[19:54]	TR Bot	 This Mistake Will Make C++ SLOWER than Python - Invidious
[19:54]	starstreak	isn't it always games that keep people using an OS
[19:54]	MinceR	no
[19:54]	MinceR	i moved my gaming to another computer for security reasons
[19:54]	starstreak	like my xbox
[19:54]	MinceR	now i don't even need to worry about GPU drivers being fragile
[19:54]	MinceR	it's a PC
[19:55]	MinceR	consoles stopped making sense in 1993, if not earlier
[19:55]	starstreak	xbox is basically a pc
[19:55]	MinceR	yeah, the lowest quality pc you can find
[19:55]	MinceR	and more locked down than the others too
[19:55]	starstreak	if it runs GTA Online, im happy
[19:55]	MinceR	i'm not
[19:55]	TR News	Clickbait headline from a total jerk; aside from that, the NSA wants software to have holes in it, so what is the motivation for such a remark? https://securityboulevard.com/2022/11/nsa-memory-safe-richixbw/
[19:55]	TR Bot	 NSAs Plea: Stop Using C and C++ (Because Youre Idiots) - Security Boulevard
[19:55]	MinceR	i don't care about GTA online
[19:55]	starstreak	i got about a million other games too
[19:56]	MinceR	i have hundreds of games that are actually good
[19:56]	MinceR	and hundreds of mods for games that are also actually good
[19:56]	TR News	Mapping Scalars to Functions https://dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.com/2022/11/mapping-scalars-to-functions.html Source: Das U-Blog by Prashanth | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.com/2022/11/mapping-scalars-to-functions.html
[19:56]	TR Bot	 Das U-Blog by Prashanth: Mapping Scalars to Functions
[19:56]	techuser	online games are evil. They can change terms of service and system requirements anytime, as well as just disappear
[19:58]	starstreak	i love the new TMNT game
[19:58]	starstreak	its so retro
[19:58]	reptilian_thrills	does mikey say cowabunga
[19:58]	starstreak	they all say cowabanga
[19:59]	reptilian_thrills	that IS retro
[19:59]	reptilian_thrills	they make fun of him saying cowabunga in the 2003 tmnt
[19:59]	reptilian_thrills	he says it once and threatens to say it a second time
[19:59]	starstreak	its up to 6 players online, 4 turtles and you can also use splinter, casey jones and april
[19:59]	reptilian_thrills	/me always wanted to use april
[19:59]	starstreak	lately i've been playing destiny 2 pvp
[19:59]	reptilian_thrills	even when i was a kid
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[20:00]	reptilian_thrills	tmnt would have been a coming of age experience if flashdance hadnt gotten there first
[20:01]		*techuser pinged Luis64_gamer
[20:01]	reptilian_thrills	/me enjoys impersonating casey jones and raph
[20:02]	starstreak	i gotta finish tmnt 2003
[20:03]	reptilian_thrills	i  like that they made donatello sound like a total nerd without making him sound like the professor in the simpsons (who basically sounds like jerry lewis)
[20:03]	starstreak	lol
[20:05]	NoseCandy	astroboy 2003 is also a good watch
[20:05]	TR News	"Byron was to've been manufactured by Tungsram in Budapest" gemini://nnix.com/gemlog/31.gmi
[20:06]	techuser	> retro | its system requirements are not retro
[20:06]	TR News	"Watching Twitter burn down has been entertaining, and got me thinking about how important production methods are." gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/prod_methods.gmi
[20:06]	techuser	it is an evil loop where you are supposed to purchase a new PC all the time
[20:06]	starstreak	it has a filter that kinda makes it a bit pixelated 
[20:06]	techuser	or pay for "cloud gaming"
[20:06]	MinceR	Dusk's system requirements are probably more to your liking :>
[20:06]	MinceR	also Xonotic's
[20:06]	techuser	I dislike Xonotic for its spyware
[20:06]	TR News	Gemax v0.1.2 gemini://kotobank.ch/~merlin/gemax_v0.1.2.gmi
[20:06]	MinceR	what spyware
[20:06]	techuser	I don't want the stats
[20:07]	techuser	and also updates
[20:07]	MinceR	then don't enable them when the game asks?
[20:07]	MinceR	updates are also optional
[20:07]	techuser	except when debug mode is enabled, it says it still connects to the stats server
[20:07]	reptilian_thrills	einstein put spyware in his bunk version of relativity propaganda-- dr sixel
[20:07]	techuser	even if the stats are supposedly disabled
[20:07]	reptilian_thrills	it wont run on a z80 
[20:07]	starstreak	im gonna say pvp in destiny 2 is 100 times better than Xonotic
[20:07]	MinceR	what did they say when you reported the bug?
[20:08]	reptilian_thrills	or the machine konrad zuse made
[20:08]	MinceR	lol destiny 2
[20:08]	techuser	Report where? I think it is on some GitHub where I can't even register.
[20:08]	starstreak	nobody messes with my hand cannon
[20:08]	MinceR	they run their own gitlab
[20:08]	reptilian_thrills	nobody messes with my hand cannon <- this is a claim i cant make
[20:08]	MinceR	they used to have an IRC channel for development
[20:08]	MinceR	not anymore
[20:09]	techuser	I have trust issues with most software developers and I usually tend not to bother contacting them
[20:09]	TR News	"When you Live in Israel you come accustomed to life here and to there weirdness Israel is a country with a bankrupt welfare, health and education systems the reason for this is that the money flows to other places the state of Israel is unwilling to supply its citizens" gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1194
[20:09]	techuser	Not "their own" GitLab it seems.
[20:09]	reptilian_thrills	damn you, libera
[20:09]	techuser	Rather gitlab.com, where I'm not sure I can register. I may try later though.
[20:09]	MinceR	oh, right, i confused them with some other project
[20:09]	techuser	stupid JavaScript trash that makes me wait
[20:10]	MinceR	at least is isn't github -- which should be gitlab's motto
[20:10]	reptilian_thrills	/me thinks phanes personal vendetta against trans people is probably butthurt over what happened at leenode
[20:10]	reptilian_thrills	 at least is isn't github -- which should be gitlab's motto <- s/at least/at the very least/
[20:10]	MinceR	what did trans-people have to do with freenode being sold?
[20:11]	reptilian_thrills	not the sale, not before the sale, after that
[20:11]	techuser	some trans people are SJWs
[20:11]	techuser	not limited to trans
[20:11]	MinceR	afaict not only trans people are SJWs
[20:11]	MinceR	and not all trans people are SJWs
[20:11]	reptilian_thrills	oh im not conflating any groups. im talking about leenode
[20:11]	techuser	but I think the actual issue was that these people were just toxic
[20:12]	reptilian_thrills	 <MinceR> afaict not only trans people are SJWs <- <MinceR> and not all trans people are SJWs <- im aware, but cheers
[20:12]	techuser	they wanted and still want exclusive root access to all the servers, which makes takeover easy
[20:12]	schestowitz[TR]	you signed anti-RMS letter, techuser 
[20:12]	reptilian_thrills	the thing is, you probably think i meant sjws because i really mean libera
[20:12]	reptilian_thrills	except i dont really mean libera, i really mean leenode
[20:13]	techuser	if they didn't, the other administrators would just reject the linking of hostile servers
[20:13]	reptilian_thrills	also, this isnt necessarily (and certainly not deliberately) a critique of trans people either
[20:13]	techuser	anti-RMS letter was probably SJWs vs SJWs I think
[20:13]	reptilian_thrills	when i said phanes was butthurt about it, i was suggesting his ire was misplaced 
[20:13]	TR News	Linux Around The World: USA - Wisconsin - LinuxLinks <p class="dropcap-first"> <a class="readon" title="Linux Links" href="https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-usa-wisconsin/">Read on</a>
[20:13]	TR Bot	Around The World: USA - Wisconsin - LinuxLinks
[20:13]	reptilian_thrills	and generalised
[20:14]	techuser	FSF was already rotting
[20:14]	techuser	and it still does
[20:14]	reptilian_thrills	but its only a wild theory, mostly for fun
[20:14]	TR News	"We cover events and user groups that are running in the US state of Wisconsin. This article forms part of our Linux Around The World series." https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-usa-wisconsin/
[20:14]	techuser	e.g. #gnu-women
[20:14]	MinceR	i'm sure taking part in the rot will stop it
[20:14]	techuser	or systemd
[20:14]	MinceR	that's how it works, right?
[20:14]	techuser	when FSF no longer exists, it doesn't rot anymore
[20:14]	reptilian_thrills	idk, its working great at the fsf
[20:15]	techuser	it can't be saved I think
[20:15]	schestowitz[TR]	so you attack it
[20:15]	schestowitz[TR]	nice logic
[20:15]	reptilian_thrills	attacking rot is good logic yes
[20:15]	reptilian_thrills	rot, corruption, bullshit in general
[20:15]	reptilian_thrills	fair play
[20:16]	schestowitz[TR]	so working to oust rms from fsf is GOOD?
[20:16]	schestowitz[TR]	that's liike saying
[20:16]	schestowitz[TR]	the house is flammable
[20:16]	reptilian_thrills	so working to oust rms from fsf is GOOD? <- who are you asking
[20:16]	schestowitz[TR]	and then striking a match
[20:16]	techuser	> who are you asking | the bad side of /ignore
[20:16]	reptilian_thrills	 the house is flammable <-  and then striking a match <- ive said this myself about the coup
[20:17]	techuser	it is like a house that is already falling and is beyond repair
[20:17]	techuser	remove everyone and let it fall
[20:18]	TR News	Introducing Shufflecake: plausible deniability for multiple hidden filesystems on Linux - Kudelski Security Research https://research.kudelskisecurity.com/2022/11/10/introducing-shufflecake-plausible-deniability-for-multiple-hidden-filesystems-on-linux/
[20:18]	TR Bot	 Introducing Shufflecake: plausible deniability for multiple hidden filesystems on Linux Kudelski Security Research
[20:18]	techuser	iirc while the letter was talking about the RMS mostly, it was also meant to remove other FSF staff
[20:18]	MinceR	"not a nice house you got there. it would be a pity if someone were to set fire to it..."
[20:19]	TR News	"hufflecake is FLOSS (Free/Libre, Open Source Software). Source code in C is available and released under the GNU General Public License v3.0 or superior..." https://linux.slashdot.org/story/22/11/12/050250/introducing-shufflecake-plausible-deniability-for-multiple-hidden-filesystems-on-linux
[20:19]	TR Bot	 Introducing Shufflecake: Plausible Deniability For Multiple Hidden Filesystems on Linux - Slashdot
[20:19]	MinceR	the cancellation of the FSF board was even less justified by that letter, if this is even possible
[20:19]	reptilian_thrills	the cancellation of the FSF board was even less justified by that letter, if this is even possible <- it was sarah mei who demanded the board resign
[20:19]	reptilian_thrills	because the board didnt cave to her demands for a severed head
[20:19]	reptilian_thrills	so she said off with all their heads
[20:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[20:20]	reptilian_thrills	shes going to lead russia someday, you watch
[20:20]	MinceR	i'm hoping there won't be a russia to lead anymore
[20:20]	reptilian_thrills	there wont be if you put mei in charge
[20:20]	MinceR	i'm hoping the west comes to their fucking senses and divides it up before red china can take over the whole thing
[20:20]	reptilian_thrills	are you sure that wont make it easier for china?
[20:21]	reptilian_thrills	playing russia just right might be the best defence against china
[20:21]	MinceR	if it's owned by NATO members, that probably won't make it easier for red china
[20:21]	reptilian_thrills	im not saying it is, only that its possible
[20:21]	MinceR	"playing russia" almost sterilized europe at least twice already
[20:21]	MinceR	it's not a good game to play, unless you want to get rid of life in europe
[20:21]	reptilian_thrills	oh its not a favourite of mine either
[20:22]	MinceR	but for some reason, the people in charge of western europe don't seem to be too concerned with the sterilization of europe
[20:22]	MinceR	"oh well, who gives a fuck if we all die and our corpses glow..."
[20:24]	reptilian_thrills	/me thinks china is either brown or pink
[20:24]	reptilian_thrills	red + white = pink, red + green = brown
[20:24]	MinceR	it's the china that has a mostly red flag
[20:24]	reptilian_thrills	it depends if you mean white like the marxist context, or green like money
[20:24]	TR News	Announcing tappeto, a random pattern generator gemini://sotiris.papatheodorou.xyz/gemlog/20221112_announcing_tappeto.gmi
[20:24]	reptilian_thrills	oh sure
[20:24]	MinceR	as opposed to the china which is a somewhat reasonable place with somewhat reasonable people in it
[20:24]	reptilian_thrills	the flag is red 
[20:24]	MinceR	making usable technology
[20:25]	MinceR	unlike the garbage that comes out of red china
[20:25]	reptilian_thrills	well the government is definitely the worst part of it
[20:25]	TR News	 (NEW): 10 Awesome KDE Apps for Everyone [Part 3] http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/10_Awesome_KDE_Apps_for_Everyone_Part_3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/10_Awesome_KDE_Apps_for_Everyone_Part_3.gmi 
[20:25]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 10 Awesome KDE Apps for Everyone [Part 3]
[20:25]	MinceR	like lenovo, who bought a division making the worlds best laptops and turned into a garbage production machine
[20:26]	MinceR	their keyboards suck, their pointing devices suck, their fans suck, their firmware sucks, their batteries suck and their casing is no better than any other random manufacturer's
[20:26]	reptilian_thrills	from nazi engineering to cheap toys, lenovo just cant win
[20:27]	starstreak	lol
[20:27]	MinceR	the people at lenovo are so stupid they think you have one hand to hold one latch open, another hand to hold another latch open, and a third hand to slide the battery out with
[20:28]	MinceR	that's red chinese "engineering"
[20:29]	reptilian_thrills	in china, you slide both latches while a friend helps you move the battery
[20:29]	TR News	Red Hat promoting/endorsing Amazon books. Never seen this before. https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/friday-five-november-11-2022-red-hat
[20:29]	TR Bot	 Friday Five November 11, 2022 | Red Hat
[20:29]	reptilian_thrills	if youre alone, you wait until a friend is nearby
[20:29]	reptilian_thrills	if your friend runs off with the battery, he will probably be executed later, dont worry
[20:30]	MinceR	a friend helped
[20:30]	MinceR	meanwhile, ibm's design had one of the latches not spring-loaded so you could just open it and then leave it
[20:31]	reptilian_thrills	i know, ive had a couple like that
[20:31]	TR News	Red Hat now links to its own pages, which, if clicked WITHOUT JavaScript, yield a 404!!
[20:33]	reptilian_thrills	but of course in china both latches have to be spring loaded
[20:33]	MinceR	indeed
[20:33]	reptilian_thrills	otherwise it would be unfair to the other latch :)
[20:33]	MinceR	lol
[20:34]	reptilian_thrills	"how come the other one gets a spring?"
[20:34]	reptilian_thrills	"dont worry, it will be executed later"
[20:34]	MinceR	they could have put a spring in neither
[20:34]	TR News	 (NEW): Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.gmi 
[20:34]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Red Hat / IBM Leftovers
[20:34]	MinceR	but that would have yielded a usable product
[20:34]	reptilian_thrills	yeah that could be a problem
[20:35]	reptilian_thrills	you have to put shitty designs in things, so when you make a new one you can say "plus we fixed that stupid annoying thing we deliberately put in the previous model!"
[20:35]	reptilian_thrills	*everyone runs to buy it, thinking they wont just do it again*
[20:35]	MinceR	:>
[20:35]	MinceR	they never fixed their shit though
[20:35]	MinceR	the keyboard is still the shitty chiclet keyboard, even though everyone complains about it
[20:36]	MinceR	and they keep fucking people over with the firmware
[20:36]	reptilian_thrills	well thats the thing
[20:36]	MinceR	they even fucked their pal mjg59_ with it, iirc
[20:36]	MinceR	he apparently enjoys it
[20:36]	reptilian_thrills	it gives him a job
[20:37]	MinceR	arguing online in bad faith and being poorly paid for it?
[20:37]	reptilian_thrills	and a hobby!
[20:37]	reptilian_thrills	 arguing online in bad faith and being poorly paid for it? <- different job, possibly related
[20:41]	reptilian_thrills	open source grooms and maintains an impressive variety of paid shills and unpaid shills
[20:41]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/CITeam_en/status/1591524429691228160
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[20:42]	MinceR	lol
[20:42]	reptilian_thrills	also deliberate shills and undeliberate shills
[20:44]	schestowitz[TR]	"accidental shill"
[20:44]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos: Nitrux 2.5.0 Review and Mistake That Will Make C++ SLOWER than Python http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Videos_Nitrux_2_5_0_Review_and_Mistake_That_Will_Make_C_SLOWER_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Videos_Nitrux_2_5_0_Review_and_Mistake_That_Will_Make_C_SLOWER_.gmi 
[20:44]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos: Nitrux 2.5.0 Review and Mistake That Will Make C++ SLOWER than Python
[20:45]	reptilian_thrills	more like fed bullshit for years
[20:45]	reptilian_thrills	at which point people repeat what they think they know
[20:45]	reptilian_thrills	but some know better and do it anyway
[20:45]	reptilian_thrills	i was open source for a bit
[20:46]	reptilian_thrills	when i realised how bullshit it was, i stopped
[20:46]	reptilian_thrills	that was more than a decade ago
[20:46]	reptilian_thrills	they start by pretending to be more reasonable
[20:46]	reptilian_thrills	later when they switch up and become complete trolls, it gets suspect
[20:46]	reptilian_thrills	they start by poking at you for saying gnu/linux instead of linux
[20:47]	reptilian_thrills	then they end by policing whether you put $ in micro$oft
[20:47]	reptilian_thrills	you realise theyre not in favour of being more lax-- just a different kind of strict
[20:47]	reptilian_thrills	for different reasons
[20:47]	reptilian_thrills	but when theyre grooming you theyre like "we are so laid back and cool"
[20:47]	reptilian_thrills	yeah, cults do that 
[20:47]	MinceR	:>
[20:48]	reptilian_thrills	come join our potluck!
[20:48]	reptilian_thrills	then later we will talk about what to do about gays
[20:49]	reptilian_thrills	just use any license
[20:49]	reptilian_thrills	then later we will talk about how cool microsoft is any why you suck if you dont like them
[20:50]	MinceR	then later we'll tell you you should actually avoid copyleft if you can
[20:50]	reptilian_thrills	then after that, we storm the fsf and move gnu to github, and itll be great
[20:51]	TR News	Links 12/11/2022: Shufflecake Unveiled | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/12/shufflecake/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/12/shufflecake/
[20:51]	TR Bot	 Links 12/11/2022: Shufflecake Unveiled | Techrights
[20:51]	MinceR	and also depend on patents owned by MICROS~1 if you can help it
[20:51]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[20:51]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
[20:51]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/11/12/today_s_leftovers.gmi 
[20:51]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[20:52]	reptilian_thrills	and also depend on patents owned by MICROS~1 if you can help it <- patents, applications, platforms, money...
[20:52]	MinceR	not just move gnu to github, but also release a permissive license with no patent provisions named "GPLv4" and relicense everything that has its copyright assigned to the FSF under that
[20:52]	reptilian_thrills	oh, and board members
[20:52]	TR News	Links 12/11/2022: Shufflecake Unveiled | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/11/12/shufflecake/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/11/12/shufflecake/
[20:52]	reptilian_thrills	 and relicense everything that has its copyright assigned to the FSF under that <- it would technically be dual licensed
[20:52]	reptilian_thrills	but as projects moved to the new one... which they would, against all reason
[20:53]	reptilian_thrills	its not that i dont agree about the "or later" threat
[20:53]	reptilian_thrills	but im not sure that omitting "or later" isnt even worse
[20:53]	reptilian_thrills	if you use or later, then gpl can be mitigated by newer, shittier versions of the gpl
[20:54]	reptilian_thrills	if you dont use it, then gpl will simply become balkanised (incompatible with other gpl stuff)
[20:54]	reptilian_thrills	the latter isnt a problem if the new gpl sucks
[20:54]	reptilian_thrills	its only a problem if it DOESNT suck
[20:54]	reptilian_thrills	the other one is problem if the newer gpl DOES suck, but if its dual licensed, which it is...
[20:54]	MinceR	this problem applies to all copyleft
[20:54]	reptilian_thrills	anyway, free software wont make it in a world run by microsoft
[20:55]	MinceR	that's clear
[20:55]	reptilian_thrills	 this problem applies to all copyleft <- yeah. and that mostly means the gpl and agpl and lgpl.
[20:55]	MinceR	also to sun's "we're pissing our pants every time we think about having to compete with Linux" license, the CDDL
[20:55]	reptilian_thrills	i wouldnt use the cddl to line a birdcage
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	that's from danese cooper
[20:56]	schestowitz[TR]	from bill and lolita gates foundation
[20:56]	techuser	Luis64_gamer: the messages were sent ~ 1 hour ago, and the topic was changed since then, it seems'
[20:56]	techuser	*seems
[20:56]	MinceR	it's a big, happy family
[20:56]	MinceR	like the mafia
[20:56]	Luis64_gamer	ok
[20:56]	MinceR	9:)
[20:56]	MinceR	s/9//
[20:57]	reptilian_thrills	 9:) <- kevin nealon as superman
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR]	no emoji?
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR]	mumble/irc/jabber = "old"
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR]	not "modern"
[20:57]	MinceR	it made me think of some guy from ghostbusters, at least the cartoon
[20:57]	reptilian_thrills	probably venkman
[20:57]	MinceR	probably
[20:57]	reptilian_thrills	he was a far cry from bill murray
[20:58]	MinceR	but not far cry from crytek
[20:58]	reptilian_thrills	i thought the cartoon was ok though. also a good example of how to go from a boy egon to a girl egon without fucking up everything
[20:58]	reptilian_thrills	venkman was the first cartoon
[20:58]	reptilian_thrills	the second cartoon had a girl egon. she was alright. she worked with the previous egon
[20:58]	reptilian_thrills	helped improve his ghosttrap
[20:59]	reptilian_thrills	so they had a young "hip" cast and the writing was ok, the show was fun
[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[20:59]	TR News	Garbage diploma mill of LF https://newzhook.com/story/the-worlds-best-linux-foundation-cka-dumps-pdf-2022/
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[20:59]	reptilian_thrills	most remakes suck. tmnt 2003 was actually better. the animated ghostbusters reboot was okay too
● Nov 12
[21:00]	MinceR	dredd and robocop were okay
[21:00]	TR News	SteamOS 3.4 Beta Updates Linux Version, Improves Performance and Stability https://gamerant.com/steam-os-beta-update-linux-performance-stability/ Source: Game Rant | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//gamerant.com/steam-os-beta-update-linux-performance-stability/
[21:00]	TR Bot	 SteamOS 3.4 Beta Updates Linux Version, Improves Performance and Stability
[21:00]	MinceR	not as memorable as the old ones though
[21:00]	reptilian_thrills	dont emotionally denymail and blame your audience for not liking shit 
[21:06]	TR News	Backup Your Data Right Now: Don't Be Like Me!! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=fGRo0EYyaDA | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/fGRo0EYyaDA
[21:06]	TR Bot	 Backup Your Data Right Now: Don't Be Like Me!! - Invidious
[21:09]	MinceR	(cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/funny-pictures-11-7-22-18.jpg
[21:10]	starstreak	im watching big bang theory
[21:11]	starstreak	while i play with my boobs
[21:12]	starstreak	gotta check for lumps you know
[21:13]	reptilian_thrills	there are two big ones on your chest
[21:13]	reptilian_thrills	though i wouldnt call them "lumps"
[21:14]	starstreak	giving myself a breast exam to check for lumps
[21:14]	starstreak	i dont want breast cancer
[21:15]	starstreak	thats my story
[21:16]	starstreak	i mean, any time is a good time to feel breasts whenever i want
[21:17]	reptilian_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0iFBXjRbVl0
[21:17]	TR Bot	 Blue Man Group w/ Venus Hum: I Feel Love (best quality) - Invidious
[21:18]	AdmFubar	https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/13/a-coup-for-poo-why-the-worlds-first-faecal-transplant-approval-matters
[21:18]	TR Bot	 A coup for poo: why the worlds first faecal transplant approval matters | Health | The Guardian
[21:18]	MinceR	POO IN A TIN >> https://i.imgur.com/83ymFCA.png
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[21:24]	AdmFubar	putin's pootin'?
[21:25]	MinceR	poo in a tin in poo
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[21:26]	DaemonFC	@BaronHK
[21:26]	DaemonFC	After they name a Naval ship the Donald Trump, the next ship of that class should be the USS Bankrupt Sea. 
[21:26]	DaemonFC	If America is around long enough, we can be on the seventh ship of the name.
[21:27]	reptilian_thrills	incep(oo)tin
[21:34]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/uncanny-2
[21:34]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Uncanny
[21:35]	starstreak	i was just touching my vagina
[21:37]	reptilian_thrills	/me checks for a comprehensive list of italian sports car names
[21:37]	reptilian_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-ShoKckPwfg
[21:37]	TR Bot	 What if Rebecca Black's FRIDAY was VINTAGE 1920s Big Band? - Invidious
[21:38]	reptilian_thrills	 <starstreak> i was just <- rachael bloom probably has a song called that
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[21:41]	starstreak	lol
[21:41]	starstreak	she probably doesn't have a vagina like me
[21:42]	starstreak	dont you wish your girlfriend had a vagina-- like-- me?
[21:43]	starstreak	apparently touching my vagina summons phanes
[21:43]	phanes	no, my arrival summoned you touching your vagina
[21:43]	starstreak	he can grab me by the pussy
[21:43]	reptilian_thrills	getting even closer to a rachael bloom song now
[21:44]	phanes	must be that cloud of musk and pine that follows me around
[21:44]	reptilian_thrills	probably already passed amanda fucking palmer
[21:44]	NoseCandy	ok so last night me and my friends were partying
[21:44]	NoseCandy	we had this tire full of nitrous
[21:44]	NoseCandy	we took hits of that shit
[21:44]	NoseCandy	i still got some left
[21:45]	NoseCandy	anyone want a hit of nitrous from a tire?
[21:45]	phanes	why can't your generation just do poppers instead of huffing tire farts 
[21:45]		*NoseCandy puts his lips around the tire exhaust port and inhales nitrous
[21:45]	reptilian_thrills	/me refuses to take hits of nitrous from anything but a stripper wearing reebok pumps
[21:45]	reptilian_thrills	as such, ive only tried it once
[21:46]	phanes	can someone read this and then summarize it to me in 30-45 words: https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/cases/2010/06/100624twitteragree.pdf
[21:46]	reptilian_thrills	and it was a real bitch to get nitrous into those
[21:46]	MinceR	12 224414 < phanes> must be that cloud of musk and pine that follows me around
[21:46]	MinceR	elon?
[21:46]	phanes	no im way better looking and smarter than elon
[21:46]	reptilian_thrills	 <MinceR> elon? XD
[21:47]	MinceR	i mean the cloud
[21:47]	NoseCandy	nitrous gets you high
[21:47]	AdmFubar	yeah it "collapsed" , sure it did..   https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/12/ftx-collapse-missing-funds
[21:47]	TR Bot	 At least $1bn in investor assets missing after FTX collapse reports | Cryptocurrencies | The Guardian
[21:48]	reptilian_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lIpvUJ5VAaw
[21:48]	TR Bot	 Rolling Stones - Get Off Of My Cloud ( BBC Top Of The Pops, 1965) - Invidious
[21:50]	NoseCandy	phanes: old man, your generation did whip its
[21:50]	phanes	they are literally still available on amazon
[21:51]	phanes	but don't do nitrous it will make you depressed and suicidal 
[21:51]	phanes	you're playing with forces you simply do not understand
[21:51]	reptilian_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Gd3gl5gnMeA
[21:51]	TR Bot	 Dazz Band ~ Let It Whip 1982 - Invidious
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[21:52]	starstreak	phanes, is that some freemasonic wisdom?
[21:53]	phanes	no its biology you confused child
[21:53]	reptilian_thrills	1:28 this guy looks exactly like jim carrey, obviously this is how in loving color started
[21:53]	starstreak	"you are playing with forces you simply do not understand!" says phanes while he drinks the blood of an infant for the adrenachrome
[21:53]		*MinceR yawns
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[21:54]	phanes	lol starstreak you are watching too much qanon
[21:54]	reptilian_thrills	you are playing with forces you simply do not understand <- does he mean nitrous?
[21:55]	starstreak	phanes, i got a new 1.3GB collection of conspiracy,magick and occult books
[21:55]	starstreak	http://cruow7yrawyispbnt6ts6hfpxqviv54u2vqkukpflt5w2dhgzwwzyrqd.onion/Books/
[21:55]	TR Bot	not resolve host: cruow7yrawyispbnt6ts6hfpxqviv54u2vqkukpflt5w2dhgzwwzyrqd.onion; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http://cruow7yrawyispbnt6ts6hfpxqviv54u2vqkukpflt5w2dhgzwwzyrqd.onion/Books/ )
[21:55]	phanes	lol why would you waste your life on something so useless
[21:55]	starstreak	they're fun to collect
[21:55]	starstreak	gotta catch em all
[21:56]	starstreak	i have the shooter manifestos too
[21:56]	starstreak	all the shooters
[21:56]	phanes	as soon as someone clues you in to the fact that adrenochrome is easily synthesized all your qanon pizzagate bohemian grove fantasies fall apart
[21:56]	reptilian_thrills	/me supposes it isnt any worse than mein kampf :/
[21:56]	starstreak	why are you burning effigies at bohemian grove then?
[21:56]	phanes	or the fact that satanism is fundamentally incompatible with freemasonry
[21:56]	phanes	like
[21:56]	reptilian_thrills	it gets cold
[21:56]	starstreak	reptilian_thrills, my collection is too good for mein kampf
[21:57]	phanes	a satanist would be unlikely to be allowed in
[21:57]	starstreak	but i do know someone on cjdns who shares the mein kampf audiobook lol
[21:57]	reptilian_thrills	i mean its on the internet archive
[21:57]	starstreak	phanes, you just need to be religious, any religion
[21:57]	reptilian_thrills	probably wikisources
[21:57]	phanes	starstreak, not even religious
[21:57]	phanes	starstreak, but no, you misunderstand how all of that works
[21:57]	MinceR	afaik they require monotheism
[21:57]	starstreak	you have to believe in a higher power
[21:58]	phanes	MinceR, nope
[21:58]	MinceR	though i suppose you could just say that Satan is the "grand architect" or whatever
[21:58]	AdmFubar	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYRz7z3VW9Y
[21:58]	TR Bot	https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=HYRz7z3VW9Y
[21:58]	TR Bot	invidio.xamh.de | CHARITY STREAM: Upgrading Old Webservers On An 8 Year Old Website (SoylentNews Revival #1) - Invidious
[21:58]	reptilian_thrills	 <MinceR> afaik they require monotheism <- piece of cake
[21:58]	phanes	MinceR, someone tries that once in a while to "infiltrate" and it never works
[21:58]	reptilian_thrills	name a polytheistic religion that cant be done monotheism-style
[21:59]	reptilian_thrills	zeus, krishna, etc
[21:59]	MinceR	all polytheism is degraded massively if it's "done monotheism-style"
[21:59]	MinceR	monotheism is cancer
[21:59]	reptilian_thrills	polytheism isnt a lot better if you have fundamentalism
[21:59]	reptilian_thrills	monotheism is cancer <- i think this is post hoc
[21:59]	MinceR	are those even compatible?
[21:59]	reptilian_thrills	fundamentalism is the problem
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[22:00]	reptilian_thrills	most fundamentalism (that we know of) is monotheistic
[22:00]	reptilian_thrills	so the two seem connected
[22:00]	reptilian_thrills	but you can be just as fundamentalist about a polytheistic religion
[22:00]	reptilian_thrills	only a linguist would think otherwise
[22:00]	phanes	reptilian_thrills, a very western perspective.  i guess you didn't see what happened to nepal.
[22:00]	MinceR	i guess i'm a linguist, then
[22:01]	reptilian_thrills	but are you cunning?
[22:01]	phanes	i wouldn't take that much credit
[22:01]	MinceR	dunno
[22:01]	MinceR	is that also a requirement?
[22:01]	reptilian_thrills	people who want rigid systems that exclude outsiders always find an excuse
[22:02]	reptilian_thrills	it doesnt matter how many gods you have-- the wrong people always have the wrong number, whatever that number is
[22:02]	reptilian_thrills	or the wrong one
[22:02]	reptilian_thrills	or the wrong interpretation, etc
[22:02]	reptilian_thrills	people who dont care about rigid systems dont tend towards them
[22:03]	phanes	i find it to be exemplary of human hubris to assume that humanity can make any assertion at all about the nature of creation or its origin
[22:03]	phanes	let alone that yours is accurate
[22:04]	phanes	that crosses from hubris to delusion at the latter
[22:04]	reptilian_thrills	people who really dont care what your religion is exist in most religions, including monotheistic ones
[22:04]	reptilian_thrills	heck, theres even a reform scientology :)
[22:05]	reptilian_thrills	for people who hated being a cult but damn, getting "clear" is just awesome
[22:05]	reptilian_thrills	"yeah but thats also bullshit"
[22:05]	reptilian_thrills	"sure, okay"
[22:05]	reptilian_thrills	/me was going to say "except scientologists" but there are even reform scientologists
[22:07]	DaemonFC	@BaronHK
[22:07]	DaemonFC	In Illinois, we have these things called Judicial Retention elections, and the judge has to get 60% YES to stay in office.
[22:07]	DaemonFC	I vote NO on all judges, because there's very few that are honorable.
[22:07]	DaemonFC	They're very corrupt. They spend all day handing down despicable rulings that are a travesty and make Illinois a more dangerous place while occasionally stopping to ruin a man's life who really did nothing that bad.
[22:07]	DaemonFC	In only one case did a judge I voted NO on get removed from the bench.
[22:07]	DaemonFC	He allowed the Chicago Police Department to torture a false confession out of a suspect and then violated the Rules of Evidence to get the confession into the trial anyway.
[22:07]	DaemonFC	Later, DNA evidence proved that the man was innocent and he had been in prison for years.
[22:07]	DaemonFC	58.31% of Cook County voters voted to keep the judge in office.
[22:07]	DaemonFC	So he was removed.
[22:07]	DaemonFC	58.31% don't know anything about what they vote on, or don't care or approve.
[22:07]	reptilian_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lqf-WvrEuGI
[22:07]	TR Bot	 Scientology: The Freewinds - Invidious
[22:07]	reptilian_thrills	nope, not them
[22:09]	reptilian_thrills	Human Trafficking on the Freewinds | www.scientology-cult.com
[22:09]	MinceR	12 230203 < reptilian_thrills> it doesnt matter how many gods you have-- the wrong people always have the wrong number, whatever that number is
[22:09]	MinceR	the certainty of the belief of "no other gods exist" is of a different degree though
[22:11]	reptilian_thrills	 <MinceR> the certainty of the belief of "no other gods exist" is of a different degree though <- monotheism is broader than that
[22:11]	reptilian_thrills	the certainty of the belief of "no other gods exist" <- i would say this is fundamentalist
[22:11]	phanes	both christianity and judaism' doctrinal texts acknowledge the existence of other gods
[22:11]	reptilian_thrills	its really the certainty that you know god and other people dont
[22:11]	reptilian_thrills	not everyone has that
[22:12]	MinceR	it's the foundation of monotheism
[22:12]	phanes	at that point there is always a stark contrast between what the religions' doctrinal assertions are and what sects of its adherants actually believe 
[22:12]	reptilian_thrills	you can have monotheism without that. many (many) people do.
[22:12]	MinceR	how many of them get scripture that doesn't insist on it?
[22:12]	reptilian_thrills	plenty
[22:13]	MinceR	for example?
[22:13]	reptilian_thrills	imo not even the torah was so monotheistic to start with
[22:13]	MinceR	wasn't it?
[22:13]	reptilian_thrills	it is now
[22:13]	starstreak	http://cruow7yrawyispbnt6ts6hfpxqviv54u2vqkukpflt5w2dhgzwwzyrqd.onion/Books/Aleister-Crowley-Enochian-World-of-Aleister-Crowley-Enochian-Sex-Magick.pdf
[22:13]	TR Bot	not resolve host: cruow7yrawyispbnt6ts6hfpxqviv54u2vqkukpflt5w2dhgzwwzyrqd.onion; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http://cruow7yrawyispbnt6ts6hfpxqviv54u2vqkukpflt5w2dhgzwwzyrqd.onion/Books/Aleister-Crowley-Enochian-World-of-Aleister-Crowley-Enochian-Sex-Magick.pdf )
[22:14]	MinceR	starstreak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKAZltAyzZQ
[22:14]	TR Bot	https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=JKAZltAyzZQ
[22:14]	reptilian_thrills	first, imo the bible looks to me like a ripoff of earlier religions
[22:14]	TR Bot	vid.puffyan.us | Cradle of Filth - Death Magick for Adepts Lyrics - Invidious
[22:14]	MinceR	it is
[22:14]	MinceR	but those were polytheistic
[22:14]	reptilian_thrills	so i dont consider it the final word on even itself...
[22:14]	reptilian_thrills	but those were polytheistic <- and earlier in their existence, even the jewish people were not as monotheistic
[22:14]	reptilian_thrills	they are now
[22:14]	reptilian_thrills	its a monotheistic tradition now
[22:15]	reptilian_thrills	maybe its more fair to say "proto-judaic religion" was less monotheistic, idk
[22:15]	reptilian_thrills	i still think its fun that elohim is plural and god has SO MANY NAMES
[22:15]	reptilian_thrills	which is very similar btw
[22:15]	reptilian_thrills	to what happens to hinduism when it becomes monotheistic
[22:16]	MinceR	yeah, they didn't even do a good job of falsifying their texts
[22:16]	reptilian_thrills	you end up with krishna being ganesh sometimes
[22:16]	reptilian_thrills	kabbalah unites these names into "emanations" of light
[22:16]	reptilian_thrills	which is fine 
[22:17]	MinceR	i have several emanations of light in my room
[22:17]	reptilian_thrills	maybe its holy and thats cool man
[22:17]	reptilian_thrills	maybe its retconning and hey
[22:17]	reptilian_thrills	people make star wars into a religion too
[22:17]	phanes	given that the practice of merging and trading of gods following political shifts in human development is nigh universal it would stand to reason that this is merely the expression of race memory
[22:18]	reptilian_thrills	i have several emanations of light in my room <- mincer is a holy man
[22:18]	reptilian_thrills	or at least he pays his electric bill
[22:18]	reptilian_thrills	you end up with krishna being ganesh sometimes < there are two attitudes you can have about this
[22:18]	reptilian_thrills	one is to go around demanding everyone worship krishna
[22:19]	reptilian_thrills	and the other is to be just as happy if they worship ganesh, because SAME THING ANYWAY
[22:19]	reptilian_thrills	the first is fundamentalist monotheism
[22:19]	reptilian_thrills	the second is pretty chill
[22:19]	MinceR	it isn't very chill to leave people alone only as long as you believe they worship the same thing
[22:19]	reptilian_thrills	i watched a video with lots of hindu gods and when they got to jesus i was like "wait..."
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[22:20]	reptilian_thrills	obviously there are some people who are so into the unity of god that whenever they find a god they say "oh! must be one of ours then"
[22:20]	reptilian_thrills	i dont know many, but the mindset obviously exists
[22:20]	reptilian_thrills	otherwise why would jesus be a hindu god? or even an avatar of vishnu?
[22:20]	MinceR	https://litter.catbox.moe/31xapx.png
[22:21]	reptilian_thrills	 it isn't very chill to leave people alone only as long as you believe they worship the same thing <- i agree
[22:21]	reptilian_thrills	but youre still describing fundamentalism (imo)
[22:22]	reptilian_thrills	and where fundamentalism becomes even more of a drag is with theocracy
[22:22]	reptilian_thrills	which sep of church and state is supposed to address, but its like a condom... its not 100% effective
[22:23]	MinceR	like a condom, it's not effective if you don't use it
[22:23]	reptilian_thrills	that too
[22:24]	MinceR	"life is like a sewer: what you get out of it depends on what you put into it."
[22:24]	reptilian_thrills	lol
[22:24]	reptilian_thrills	cowabunga
[22:26]	reptilian_thrills	imo all religions are both monotheistic and polytheistic
[22:26]	reptilian_thrills	its really more about how you count them than how many there are
[22:26]	MinceR	what about buddhism?
[22:26]	reptilian_thrills	monotheistic gods tend to have many names and/or many faces
[22:27]	reptilian_thrills	buddhism is probably on the monotheistic side. so is sikhism
[22:27]	reptilian_thrills	buddhism is arguably not a religion at all
[22:27]	reptilian_thrills	worshipping buddha statues makes that a bit confusing, even to me
[22:27]	MinceR	i thought they worshipped 0 gods and considered gods to be irrelevant
[22:28]	reptilian_thrills	that sounds like a non-religion
[22:28]	MinceR	it isn't
[22:28]	MinceR	afaict they do have mysticism
[22:28]	reptilian_thrills	mysticism and religion dont have to be the same thing
[22:28]	reptilian_thrills	you can lump them together if you like
[22:29]	reptilian_thrills	i dont know how youre supposed to tell them apart, myself im with the "know it if i see it" with that
[22:29]	reptilian_thrills	whats pornography? "i know it when i see it"
[22:29]	reptilian_thrills	whats religion? "i know it when i see it"
[22:30]	reptilian_thrills	the problem is that encyclopedias and dictionaries dont begin as authoritative sources
[22:30]	reptilian_thrills	they gain a reputation after a while
[22:30]	reptilian_thrills	but they start as just reporting whatever was available to them, within some kind of standard
[22:31]	reptilian_thrills	the first dictionary started with a very broad survey
[22:31]	reptilian_thrills	and thats what it was
[22:31]	reptilian_thrills	so who decides what a word means? everybody, more or less
[22:31]	reptilian_thrills	what anarchy
[22:32]	reptilian_thrills	"the language anyone can edit"
[22:32]	reptilian_thrills	and like with religion, if you try to challenge the authorities on language (like with religion, they are self-appointed)
[22:33]	reptilian_thrills	they will kill you where you stand (or wait for you to die of boredom)
[22:33]	reptilian_thrills	"these books demonstrate how to use english"
[22:33]	reptilian_thrills	"whereas THESE books... do it incorrectly!"
[22:34]	reptilian_thrills	to be fair, there are rules, there are even written rules
[22:34]	reptilian_thrills	but the rules change anyway
[22:34]	reptilian_thrills	same as religion (for the most part)
[22:36]	reptilian_thrills	there have been several efforts, lasting centuries, to lump religions together peacefully like some kind of holy esperanto
[22:37]	reptilian_thrills	some of them are more popular (even today) than esperanto, and many of them were incredibly influential on history
[22:38]	reptilian_thrills	sadly, jews for jesus isnt one of them. thats just baptists being dicks.
[22:38]	MinceR	they can coexist peacefully on the landfill of history
[22:38]	MinceR	alongside humans, if humans can't let go of them.
[22:39]	reptilian_thrills	yeah because humanity has evolved so far beyond religious thinking
[22:39]	reptilian_thrills	indeed, religion is the sole thing holding them back...
[22:39]	reptilian_thrills	(i certainly dont think so)
[22:39]	reptilian_thrills	imo, when humanity evolves, most religion will too
[22:39]	reptilian_thrills	youd think we would be too smart for it. maybe.
[22:39]	MinceR	no, humanity needs to evolve beyond religious "thinking", if it is to survive
[22:40]	reptilian_thrills	marx figured that if humanity was smarter, religion would just wither away and die without stupid people fighting over money.
[22:40]	reptilian_thrills	without desperation, who needs jesus?
[22:40]	reptilian_thrills	then later came people who were like "fuck waiting, lets get rid of religion and see if it makes people smarter!"
[22:40]	reptilian_thrills	thats gone well
[22:41]	reptilian_thrills	ive loved science since the first time i heard the word
[22:41]	starstreak	OpenBSD needs element/matrix
[22:41]	reptilian_thrills	but science doesnt give a shit what you do with your spare time
[22:41]	MinceR	if humanity was smarter, they wouldn't have listened to marx either
[22:41]	reptilian_thrills	or what your imagination is tethered to, as long as the experiment isnt tainted by it
[22:42]	MinceR	religion does have a tendency to taint experiments
[22:42]	reptilian_thrills	it doesnt have to
[22:42]	reptilian_thrills	i mean, anything can taint an experiment if you dont factor it into the design
[22:43]	reptilian_thrills	if you refuse to factor it into the experiment, then yes, religion can AND WILL taint an experiment
[22:43]	reptilian_thrills	but it depends on the experiment
[22:43]	reptilian_thrills	i mean, if youre pouring vinegar into baking soda, the same results happen for muslims, jews and scientologists
[22:44]	MinceR	and they'll make up bullshit to explain it
[22:44]	reptilian_thrills	because its just a basic (and acidic) chemical reaction
[22:44]	reptilian_thrills	and they'll make up bullshit to explain it <- not if theyre trained in science and use the training
[22:44]	MinceR	that training is going to conflict with their religion
[22:44]	MinceR	and one of those things is going to win
[22:44]	reptilian_thrills	there are plenty of accomplished jewish and muslim scientists
[22:45]	reptilian_thrills	einstein might not count since he wasnt religious
[22:45]	MinceR	and plenty of abrahamics pushing to destroy science and technology
[22:45]	MinceR	except, of course, for the bit of technology they use to kill everyone who disagrees
[22:45]	reptilian_thrills	pushing to destroy science and technology <- which really sounds like fundamentalism to me
[22:45]	reptilian_thrills	its not a catch-all word
[22:45]	MinceR	it is
[22:45]	reptilian_thrills	it just happens to fit what those people are doing
[22:45]	reptilian_thrills	so how many people are religious (billions) and how many are fundamentalist? (SO MANY LESS)
[22:46]	MinceR	[citation needed]
[22:46]	reptilian_thrills	and when you compare the two, blaming it on religion seems silly to me
[22:46]	reptilian_thrills	the problem is fundamentalism
[22:46]	MinceR	these allegedly non-fundamentalist people, will they abstain from voting for political parties that advertise themselves as being "good" adherents of the same religion as the voter?
[22:47]	reptilian_thrills	OF COURSE! 
[22:47]	reptilian_thrills	even liberals do that
[22:47]	MinceR	afaict there aren't many of them
[22:47]	MinceR	and liberalism is especially dead
[22:47]	MinceR	along with libertarianism (which is supposed to be the same thing anyway)
[22:47]	reptilian_thrills	but its still an example of what youre asking if it exists/happens
[22:48]	MinceR	> (SO MANY LESS)
[22:48]	MinceR	this is the part i have doubts about
[22:48]	reptilian_thrills	(which is supposed to be the same thing anyway) <- i mean lets not confuse classical libertarianism, which is closer to anarchism, with right libertarianism, with neoliberalism, with "liberal intellectuals" who claim to despise neoliberalism (even though they support a two party system which hardly is)
[22:49]	reptilian_thrills	this is the part i have doubts about <- and your numbers arent worse than mine (we dont have any)
[22:49]	reptilian_thrills	but i think its your outlook on humanity (imo)
[22:49]	reptilian_thrills	ive had my own doubts
[22:49]	MinceR	we can see the dominance of fundamentalist parties though
[22:49]	MinceR	in europe and in north america
[22:49]	reptilian_thrills	after bush stole the 2000 election i didnt even want to talk to a christian
[22:49]	reptilian_thrills	i got over it
[22:50]	reptilian_thrills	i dont think christians were the real problem there
[22:50]	MinceR	i do think they are
[22:50]	reptilian_thrills	fundamentalist christians are a major factor
[22:50]	MinceR	sure, in theory, it's possible for a christian to resist all the hanging-on bullshit (fundamentalism, exceptionalism, fascism)
[22:51]	MinceR	in practice, i can't find many who do
[22:51]	reptilian_thrills	im guessing most christians are neither fundamentalists nor fascists
[22:51]	reptilian_thrills	exceptionalism is hard. who doesnt think their fugly baby is the most beautiful one on earth?
[22:52]	MinceR	who votes for EPP, ECR, ID and the GOP, then?
[22:52]	reptilian_thrills	you could argue that the gop isnt really christian at all, but im not that ambitious
[22:52]	reptilian_thrills	rather i think theres a simpler way out of that problem
[22:52]	MinceR	i'd argue even the "democrats" are christian fundamentalists, just less loudly so
[22:52]	reptilian_thrills	well both parties exist to pay homage to corporate rule
[22:52]	MinceR	they both keep talking and writing about their "god"
[22:52]	reptilian_thrills	both are a farce
[22:53]	reptilian_thrills	and between the "two" they have a monopoly
[22:53]	reptilian_thrills	so
[22:53]	MinceR	and the megacorporations are cults too
[22:53]	reptilian_thrills	oh without question
[22:53]	phanes	never fall into the trap that a politician is guided by altruism or religious conviction
[22:53]	reptilian_thrills	and some of the cults are corporations
[22:53]	reptilian_thrills	like the mormons-- theyre a corporation
[22:53]	phanes	none of them are, even those campaigning on those platforms
[22:53]	reptilian_thrills	they even say so during services
[22:53]	MinceR	i see no altruism in the religious blathering
[22:53]	phanes	the ones that are actually driven by moral or religious conviction, or genuine altruism are assassinated
[22:53]	reptilian_thrills	thats because altruism is a value
[22:53]	MinceR	i see a lot of bullshit that seems to work on the majority
[22:54]	reptilian_thrills	and most religions hijack values as their own
[22:54]	MinceR	including in hungary
[22:54]	reptilian_thrills	if you make the majority desperate enough (germany)
[22:54]	MinceR	e.g. the way people are persuaded to take an interest in the genitals of others is usually religion
[22:54]	reptilian_thrills	the majority will act like a mob
[22:54]	reptilian_thrills	the way people are persuaded to take an interest in the genitals of others is usually religion <- <3
[22:55]	reptilian_thrills	or sometimes, self-hate
[22:55]	reptilian_thrills	i think self-hate is overplayed (as an accusation)
[22:55]	reptilian_thrills	to speak for people...
[22:55]	reptilian_thrills	but its definitely a real thing
[22:55]	reptilian_thrills	i really believe jk rowling wants to be a man
[22:55]	reptilian_thrills	and thats why she hates trans people
[22:55]	MinceR	ironic
[22:56]	reptilian_thrills	well, think of all the anti-gay people who get found in public restrooms, etc
[22:56]	reptilian_thrills	or having an affair with a man
[22:57]	reptilian_thrills	i doubt most transphobes are self-hating trans people
[22:57]	reptilian_thrills	but i absolutely think some are, and above any other example i think jk rowling must be
[22:58]	reptilian_thrills	you could just call her joe rowling. but unless shes misgendering people i would think this is unfair
[22:58]	phanes	i think you're projecting dynamics involving other marginalized groups onto the trans community
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[22:59]	reptilian_thrills	(im not totally against misgendering people who misgender first. though id be very strategic about whom to direct it at)
[22:59]	reptilian_thrills	youd want to focus on the most egregious examples for the most part. and some wouldnt.
[22:59]	phanes	that's a fabricated issue
● Nov 12
[23:00]	phanes	it's one of those issues that only exists as feigned damage to accentuate posturing as a victim 
[23:00]	reptilian_thrills	i recently considered using they/them to refer to stallman but after talking to him, decided his stance (while foolish) isnt egregious enough for that
[23:01]	reptilian_thrills	i dont agree with him on this, and i still think hes being an idiot about they/them. its a grammatical nitpick based on misunderstanding a subgroup of a subgroup
[23:01]	reptilian_thrills	still, the exchange was far less troubling than the article that prompted it
[23:02]	reptilian_thrills	its partway him being unfair and refusing to know better, partway foolishly but innocently putting his foot in his mouth
[23:02]	reptilian_thrills	but then foot in mouth jokes are low-hanging fruit where stallman is concerned
[23:02]	phanes	what a non-issue
[23:03]	reptilian_thrills	(i still think it was a hangnail, and people say worse because they want to)
[23:03]	phanes	it's a distraction
[23:03]	phanes	he should have just told everyone to fuck off and focus on the software and the licensing
[23:03]	reptilian_thrills	id sooner eat a hangnail than a booger. though i wouldnt bother if it was from my foot...
[23:04]	MinceR	strategic misgendering strike
[23:04]	phanes	which is what i intend to do if i can /ever get a fuycking product out/
[23:04]	phanes	my coding session to release ratio is hilariously low
[23:04]	reptilian_thrills	yeah, i dont think people would have too much fun with it because it would ultimately trigger more innocents than intended targets
[23:04]	MinceR	no, he should told everyone to focus on the software, freedom and only then, licensing
[23:05]	MinceR	he seems to believe that licensing magically fixes everything
[23:05]	phanes	im just working too much
[23:05]	reptilian_thrills	 no, he should told everyone to focus on the software, freedom and only then, licensing <- s/he//
[23:05]	reptilian_thrills	the problem is that pronouns come up constantly
[23:05]	reptilian_thrills	so theres not much we can do to avoid them
[23:05]	reptilian_thrills	other than not talk about people at all
[23:05]	phanes	one of the problems is that i enjoy swimming in piles of money from my clients too much to build free software, so, it gets the free time when i feel like it and am not recovering from paid work
[23:06]	MinceR	s/ld/ld have/
[23:06]	reptilian_thrills	he seems to believe that licensing magically fixes everything <- he didnt always
[23:06]	MinceR	reptilian_thrills: maybe we should just learn Marain
[23:06]	reptilian_thrills	and i wish it was just him
[23:06]	reptilian_thrills	most of the movement at this point seems to think licensing magically fixes everything
[23:06]	reptilian_thrills	1. at best it gives you the freedom to fix it
[23:06]	reptilian_thrills	2. if you can find another way to hinder someone, it wont even do that
[23:06]	reptilian_thrills	fsf fails both times with this
[23:06]	reptilian_thrills	but they didnt always
[23:07]	reptilian_thrills	and theres plenty of evidence. 
[23:07]	reptilian_thrills	my personal favourite is gpl3
[23:07]	reptilian_thrills	gpl didnt stop tivoisation.
[23:07]	phanes	i dont think anyone intelligent thinks licensing is a magic bullet but it's the literal only legal tool available to free software that protects you from having to swipe your credit card every time you unlock your desktop 
[23:07]	reptilian_thrills	they had to upgrade the license before it could
[23:07]	reptilian_thrills	tivoisation was a vulnerability. gpl3 was a patched version.
[23:08]	reptilian_thrills	what other vulnerabilities are there? 
[23:08]	reptilian_thrills	1. those are things corporations can do to hinder freedom
[23:08]	reptilian_thrills	2. licenses can fix some of those things...
[23:08]	reptilian_thrills	similarly, you cant write software that fixes stupid users.
[23:08]	reptilian_thrills	if theyre going to open executable attachments
[23:08]	reptilian_thrills	or refuse to run updates
[23:08]	reptilian_thrills	sooner or later, software cant fix stupid.
[23:09]	phanes	the important software doesn't tailor to end users, it tailors to hosters of a platform or service to end users
[23:09]	reptilian_thrills	and licenses cant fix evil. theyre ONE (even primary) tool to address non-free software
[23:09]	reptilian_thrills	its true that open source has always downplayed them 
[23:09]	reptilian_thrills	its true they matter
[23:09]	reptilian_thrills	its not true that they fix everything, and the fsf (and the movement) used to know that
[23:10]	reptilian_thrills	one of the reasons we should learn more about free software history
[23:10]	reptilian_thrills	is to try to piece together when and why people started thinking of licenses as the ultimate firewall
[23:10]	reptilian_thrills	"oh! i cant get viruses. ive got the ultimate firewall!"
[23:10]	reptilian_thrills	"best on the market! there isnt a better one anywhere"
[23:10]	reptilian_thrills	"yeah, that doesnt work..."
[23:11]		*MinceR casts Ultimate Fireball
[23:11]	reptilian_thrills	its super effective
[23:11]	MinceR	:>
[23:12]	phanes	tastes like cinnamon
[23:12]	phanes	and smells like regret, eventually
[23:12]	reptilian_thrills	https://web.archive.org/web/20111017052534/http://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html
[23:12]	TR Bot	 How I do my Computing
[23:13]	reptilian_thrills	https://web.archive.org/web/20111104041105/http://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html
[23:13]	TR Bot	 How I do my Computing
[23:13]	reptilian_thrills	before: (oct 2011) "I do not have a preferred GNU/Linux distro. I recommend all the ethical distros namely, those that are 100% free software."
[23:14]	reptilian_thrills	after: (nov 2011) "I've chosen not to have any preferences among those ethical distros. But I am not in a position to judge them on other criteria: even to try them all would be a lot work that I have no need to do."
[23:14]	reptilian_thrills	"I am not in a position to judge them on other criteria" <- the fucking chief gnuisance 
[23:14]	reptilian_thrills	is in no position to judge whether one "fully-free" distro is more or less free than another
[23:15]	reptilian_thrills	"well this distro puts ibm in charge of all your computing"
[23:15]	reptilian_thrills	"and this one doesnt"
[23:15]	phanes	lol
[23:15]	reptilian_thrills	"do they both follow the fsdg?"
[23:15]	reptilian_thrills	"yes..."
[23:15]	reptilian_thrills	"then it makes no difference in my opinion. maybe if you ask someone else"
[23:15]	MinceR	"puts ibm in charge" should have been a dead giveaway about it being nonfree
[23:15]	reptilian_thrills	then if you ask someone else, they refer to what stallman says :)
[23:15]	reptilian_thrills	it wasnt ibm at the time, it was only red hat
[23:16]	MinceR	same difference
[23:16]	reptilian_thrills	and red hat also controls gcc and gdb (now even more than at the time)
[23:16]	reptilian_thrills	same difference now...
[23:16]	reptilian_thrills	they trusted red hat
[23:16]	reptilian_thrills	then red hat was bought
[23:16]	MinceR	that is another principle i don't get
[23:16]	reptilian_thrills	why should you not trust a large corporation with the gnu family jewels?
[23:16]	phanes	reptilian_thrills, why do you think redhat controlls gcc and gdb?
[23:16]	MinceR	"it's wrong for MICROS~1 to do foo, but if another random corporation does foo, that's a-ok"
[23:16]	reptilian_thrills	gnu gcc, thats why
[23:16]	reptilian_thrills	oh mincer, its not just gcc
[23:16]	MinceR	wrong nick :>
[23:16]	reptilian_thrills	its gcc AND gdb AND... gnu libc!
[23:17]	reptilian_thrills	ibm controls gnu libc and gcc
[23:17]	XRevan86	https://odysee.com/@SomeOrdinaryGamers:a/the-greatest-twitter-moment-just:2 O.K., this is hilarious.
[23:17]	TR Bot	 The Greatest Twitter Moment Just Happened...
[23:17]	reptilian_thrills	this is upside-down world.
[23:17]	reptilian_thrills	and everybody is like "youre standing on your head"
[23:17]	phanes	reptilian_thrills, what makes you think redhat controls glibc and gcc?  that sounds like fud
[23:18]	reptilian_thrills	ok, so if i turn over 180 degrees, its going to make sense that gcc and libc are entrusted to ibm as much as they are now?
[23:18]	reptilian_thrills	or maybe the world is actually upside down
[23:18]	reptilian_thrills	wouldnt be the first time
[23:19]	reptilian_thrills	when i was a kid, my computing was controlled by ibm and microsoft
[23:19]	reptilian_thrills	i actually had an ibm computer
[23:19]	reptilian_thrills	it ran a rebadged version of msdos
[23:19]	starstreak	phanes, reptilian_thrills thinks ibm=nazis because ibm sold some computers
[23:20]	reptilian_thrills	 <starstreak> phanes, reptilian_thrills thinks ibm=nazis because ibm sold some computers <- phanes, check the list of books at starstreaks website :P
[23:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-11.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-11-12.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[23:20]	reptilian_thrills	this is like being in the backseat on a roadtrip with a sibling.
[23:20]	phanes	starstreak, yeah i remember that, but he's saying that redhat controls gcc and glibc, which I don't think is accurate as those are run by the FSF
[23:20]	reptilian_thrills	"quit pushing me!"
[23:20]		*psydruid worships international fud machines
[23:21]	reptilian_thrills	its basically microsoft
[23:21]	reptilian_thrills	when i was a kid, my computing was controlled by ibm and microsoft <- and then i spent years moving to free software
[23:21]	reptilian_thrills	so that ibm and microsoft wouldnt have a monopoly on my computing
[23:21]	reptilian_thrills	an then the fsf sold themselves to ibm and microsoft
[23:22]	reptilian_thrills	for fucks sake
[23:22]	reptilian_thrills	so now i dont use gnu, because its a fucking farce
[23:22]	reptilian_thrills	but it wasnt always
[23:22]	reptilian_thrills	and if someone can fix it, great, but you know why they wont?
[23:22]	reptilian_thrills	because gnu never really cared about freedom 3. not very much.
[23:23]	reptilian_thrills	it was very much a "do as we say, not as we do" freedom
[23:23]	reptilian_thrills	and an important one
[23:23]	reptilian_thrills	you have the freedom to fork gnu
[23:23]	reptilian_thrills	while we are at it, lets relicense jupiter so that anyone is free to move it somewhere else
[23:24]	reptilian_thrills	gnu used to be modular, until systemd came along to save fully free distros from being modular or forkable
[23:24]	reptilian_thrills	(if only the insanity stopped there)
[23:25]	MinceR	13 001940 < starstreak> phanes, reptilian_thrills thinks ibm=nazis because ibm sold some computers
[23:25]	MinceR	nice strawman
[23:25]	reptilian_thrills	lets relicense jupiter <- we can call it gnuranus
[23:25]		*MinceR ignites it with Prestidigitation
[23:25]	reptilian_thrills	 <MinceR> nice strawman <- i think she was just trollimg
[23:25]	reptilian_thrills	ing
[23:26]	reptilian_thrills	gnuranus <- there is a minor planet (or star) named after gnu
[23:26]	reptilian_thrills	theres a stallman and a torvalds
[23:26]	MinceR	gnupiter
[23:26]	reptilian_thrills	but theyll all be renamed gkh and owned by ibm somehow
[23:26]	reptilian_thrills	linugkh
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[23:27]	MinceR	hartmanux
[23:27]	reptilian_thrills	we could have had linus TSOrvalds, but nooooooooooo, hes a "rape apologist"
[23:27]	reptilian_thrills	granted ext4 sucks donkey balls
[23:27]	reptilian_thrills	but kdbus is worse
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[23:28]	reptilian_thrills	if you run xterm on a machine that has kdbus, systemd converts all your ascii and unicode to ebcdic
[23:29]	reptilian_thrills	"youll thank me later!" lennart poettering
[23:29]	starstreak	reptilian_thrills, i wasn't trolling
[23:29]	reptilian_thrills	you certainly werent accurate
[23:29]	starstreak	the people who worked for ibm when they sold computers to nazis are likely dead by now
[23:30]	MinceR	their successors should follow that example, then
[23:30]	reptilian_thrills	you dont see what a truly weak argument that is, do you?
[23:30]	reptilian_thrills	or how it misses the point by miles
[23:30]	reptilian_thrills	open source is a hell of a drug
[23:30]	starstreak	i even have a book about it
[23:30]	starstreak	http://cruow7yrawyispbnt6ts6hfpxqviv54u2vqkukpflt5w2dhgzwwzyrqd.onion/Books/Edwin-Black-IBM-and-the-Holocaust.pdf
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[23:31]	reptilian_thrills	<starstreak> i even have a book about it <- nice :D
[23:31]	reptilian_thrills	ibm hasnt changed
[23:31]	reptilian_thrills	if you actually read your book, btw
[23:31]	MinceR	neither has MICROS~1
[23:31]	reptilian_thrills	youll learn that ibm still works to hide the truth
[23:32]	reptilian_thrills	effectively ibm acts as a holocaust denier, for the largest role in the third reich.
[23:32]	reptilian_thrills	so maybe the people who participated in the crime at the time are mostly dead
[23:32]	reptilian_thrills	but the people working to cover up ibms role are still at ibm.
[23:32]	MinceR	inb4 "the victims are dead too, so who cares"
[23:32]	reptilian_thrills	and the people exploiting workers (as the reich did) are still at ibm
[23:33]	reptilian_thrills	and the people exploiting the labour of jews (stallman) are still at ibm
[23:33]	reptilian_thrills	so when ibm has set out to ruin a jewish persons life with lies and slander...
[23:33]	reptilian_thrills	WHILE taking his riches out from under him like so many gold teeth
[23:34]	reptilian_thrills	the fact that they were the ARCHITECTS OF THE THIRD REICH ITSELF
[23:34]	reptilian_thrills	just seems so relevant... so familiar...
[23:34]	reptilian_thrills	they havent changed one fucking bit.
[23:34]	reptilian_thrills	support them if you want-- theyre still fucking nazis
[23:34]	reptilian_thrills	HOWEVER...
[23:34]	reptilian_thrills	edwin black would not agree with me.
[23:34]	reptilian_thrills	he himself has friends at ibm.
[23:35]	starstreak	reptilian_thrills wouldn't be happy unless everyone ran openbsd and shunned anything on github
[23:35]	reptilian_thrills	its not my intent to put words in his mouth.
[23:35]	MinceR	another strawman
[23:35]	reptilian_thrills	but he may have no idea what they did to stallman either
[23:35]		*MinceR sets fire to that one too
[23:35]	reptilian_thrills	 <starstreak> reptilian_thrills wouldn't be happy unless everyone ran openbsd and shunned anything on github <- well this is just ssilly 
[23:35]	reptilian_thrills	for one thing, ive said things recently and publicly (in this channel) that refute it directly
[23:35]	reptilian_thrills	secondly, i can repeat them right now
[23:36]	reptilian_thrills	i think its a good idea to try to boycott github. its obvious that a complete boycott is impossible
[23:37]	reptilian_thrills	it should be obvious (but it isnt) that a complete boycott isnt necessary to effect change either
[23:37]	reptilian_thrills	but even if i was the only person doing it
[23:37]	starstreak	OpenBSD - you can't do anything without running startx
[23:37]	reptilian_thrills	it would still aid me in documenting just how much shit github controls.
[23:37]	reptilian_thrills	which is part of why i try
[23:37]	reptilian_thrills	the other reason is, its my fucking computer and thats what i want.
[23:37]	MinceR	i don't think i've ever run startx on openbsd
[23:38]	reptilian_thrills	<starstreak> OpenBSD - you can't do anything without running startx <- lol ur high af
[23:38]	starstreak	MinceR, i think i would take Roy's word for it
[23:38]	MinceR	i don't think she's high, i think she's clueless
[23:38]	starstreak	im drunk
[23:38]	reptilian_thrills	i dont think shes clueless
[23:38]	reptilian_thrills	i honestly think shes adorable
[23:39]	reptilian_thrills	it wont make me use gnome again
[23:39]	reptilian_thrills	other than gnome-image-viewer
[23:39]	reptilian_thrills	(i renamed another image viewer as a joke)
[23:39]	reptilian_thrills	<starstreak> im drunk <- aww :)
[23:41]	MinceR	ethanol is bad for your nervous system
[23:41]	reptilian_thrills	whats better?
[23:41]	MinceR	caffeine and sugar, i suppose
[23:42]	reptilian_thrills	hmm
[23:42]	reptilian_thrills	/me tries to get drunk on those
[23:42]	reptilian_thrills	it isnt working
[23:42]	reptilian_thrills	maybe if i ferment a frappacino
[23:43]	reptilian_thrills	and then learn how to suppress vomiting at all costs
[23:43]	MinceR	fermenting would either produce ethanol, which is bad for your nervous system, or not get you drunk
[23:44]	MinceR	or it would produce something even worse
[23:44]	MinceR	like methanol
[23:44]	reptilian_thrills	then caffeine and sugar isnt better, its just different
[23:44]	MinceR	they enhance nervous system function
[23:44]	reptilian_thrills	aha!
[23:44]	reptilian_thrills	/mixes sugar, caffeiene and ethanol
[23:44]	reptilian_thrills	problem solved!
[23:44]	MinceR	lol
[23:44]	MinceR	i think people have done that before
[23:44]	reptilian_thrills	i know i have
[23:45]	starstreak	alcohola, malt liquor and caffeine, its one janky ass drink
[23:45]	reptilian_thrills	ive never had malt liquor
[23:46]	reptilian_thrills	ive had canadian mist, and i wrote to geneva to launch an inquiry
[23:46]	reptilian_thrills	ive had canadian alcohol thats good
[23:46]	reptilian_thrills	canada makes plenty of good alcohol
[23:46]	starstreak	snitches get stiches
[23:46]	reptilian_thrills	canadian mist isnt an example of this
[23:46]	reptilian_thrills	<starstreak> snitches get stiches <- christ youre cute
[23:46]	starstreak	:)
[23:47]	MinceR	i thought christ was male
[23:47]	MinceR	in the fable, i mean
[23:47]	reptilian_thrills	 <MinceR> i thought christ was male <- to be fair, starstreak once thought she was too
[23:47]	reptilian_thrills	imagine how surprised the baptists would be!
[23:48]	MinceR	are the baptists capable of perceiving reality to the extent that it becomes capable of surprising them?
[23:48]	reptilian_thrills	jesus is back-- and shes a woman!
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[23:48]	reptilian_thrills	baptists: its the end of the world!
[23:48]	reptilian_thrills	jesus: duh?
[23:49]	reptilian_thrills	twitter: #convertingnow
[23:49]	reptilian_thrills	are the baptists capable of perceiving reality to the extent that it becomes capable of surprising them? <- are you kidding, they tend to be shocked on a daily basis by it
[23:50]	reptilian_thrills	at least she wont have to wait for her hair to grow out
[23:50]	reptilian_thrills	"and these stigmata are perfect for holding onto my purse on the subway!"
[23:51]	reptilian_thrills	"jesus, let go, lady!"
[23:51]	reptilian_thrills	jesus: hehehe! 
[23:53]	reptilian_thrills	"forgive them father, its obviously the testosterone!"
[23:54]	reptilian_thrills	even genesis makes you wonder if adam was intersex before he transitioned to binary
[23:54]	MinceR	"I eat Green Berets for breakfast, and right now I am......very hungry!" "I can't believe this macho bullshit!"
[23:55]		*MinceR transitions adam to ternary
[23:55]	reptilian_thrills	adam he/him
[23:55]	reptilian_thrills	eve she/her (mtf)
[23:55]	phanes	i wonder what the connotations would be if during the second coming jeebus came back as a woman in a man's body
[23:55]	MinceR	schism?
[23:55]	reptilian_thrills	im not saying eve is trans
[23:55]	phanes	and had to undergo confirmation surgery
[23:56]	reptilian_thrills	just that she was male at birth
[23:56]	reptilian_thrills	or whatever, bibles are fun 
[23:56]	reptilian_thrills	adam might be trans too, idk
[23:56]	phanes	reptilian_thrills, not if you view "the rib" as "an extension of his spine" and the spine as "part of the structure of adam"
[23:57]	phanes	genesis reads in a really weird way when you mix "probably an allegory" and "potentially full of hidden engineering specifications"
[23:58]	phanes	especially if you try to read kabballist or hermetic precanon context into it
[23:58]	phanes	don't even get me started on the gnostics either