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| Ariadne | schestowitz: i was thinking about it, and openlitespeed might be an interesting server to use to replace apache | Dec 12 01:23 |
| Ariadne | it supports .htaccess | Dec 12 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | Ariadne: why not just keep apache? | Dec 12 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | openlitespeed? why? | Dec 12 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Apache httpd is a bit heavy and somewhat messy, but openlitespeed surprises me. | Dec 12 02:28 |
| schestowitz | our stuff (scripts, htaccess, apachetop etc.) is already written for apache | Dec 12 02:29 |
| schestowitz | moving to something else would mean extra work | Dec 12 02:29 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe Ariadne is interested in the drop-in magic that LiteSpeed has. | Dec 12 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Now it makes more sense. | Dec 12 02:30 |
| schestowitz | wordpress has more of a weight issue in our case, because of some plugins | Dec 12 02:31 |
| schestowitz | moving to another webserver s/w would mean adventure and risk. apache was not failing on us. | Dec 12 02:31 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Knowing that you're using mod_php/mpm_prefork Apache httpd has definitely been failing on you :) | Dec 12 02:32 |
| XRevan86 | But it's not really its fault. Not completely anyway. | Dec 12 02:32 |
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| schestowitz | Remember there are two sites | Dec 12 02:54 |
| schestowitz | and they use not the same CMS | Dec 12 02:54 |
| schestowitz | both on apache | Dec 12 02:54 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: But both with mod_php? | Dec 12 03:10 |
| XRevan86 | Both Drupal and WordPress are PHP. | Dec 12 03:10 |
| XRevan86 | Spawning a process on each connection is very heavy. That introduces unnecessary load on the processor and limits the amount of simultaneous connections that don't put the machine down on its knees to about a hundred. | Dec 12 03:30 |
| schestowitz | changing to another system would be costly in other ways | Dec 12 03:35 |
| schestowitz | the key objective is, retain structure and don't lose data/meta | Dec 12 03:35 |
| schestowitz | so CMS changes or even going static are not an option, not for not at least | Dec 12 03:36 |
| schestowitz | having said that, the underlying stack needs an update | Dec 12 03:36 |
| schestowitz | php, apache, tmux version etc. | Dec 12 03:36 |
| schestowitz | esp. the web-facing stuff | Dec 12 03:36 |
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| Ariadne | i guess we can try fastcgi + mpm_event | Dec 12 04:16 |
| Ariadne | i've had success with mpm_event in the past | Dec 12 04:16 |
| schestowitz | I trust you on that... | Dec 12 04:17 |
| Ariadne | openlitespeed may still be better though (and its compatible with .htaccess files) | Dec 12 04:18 |
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| schestowitz | I don't suppose using different webserver for different CMS types would be good practice | Dec 12 04:21 |
| Ariadne | no | Dec 12 04:22 |
| Ariadne | but we can try apache2 mpm_event first | Dec 12 04:23 |
| schestowitz | when can we start the attempts? | Dec 12 04:27 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: | Dec 12 04:54 |
| schestowitz | https://www.patrick-breyer.de/?p=593944&lang=en | Dec 12 04:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patrick-breyer.de | Europol and counterterrorism: Commission calls for biometric mass surveillance and attacks encryption – Patrick Breyer | Dec 12 04:54 | |
| schestowitz | Re: Fwd: Unfettered Freedom Ep. 12 | Dec 12 08:00 |
| schestowitz | >> "Microsoft is starting to change my mind a little bit" | Dec 12 08:00 |
| schestowitz | >> | Dec 12 08:00 |
| schestowitz | >> Bye, DT. | Dec 12 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > One problem is that some people are reasonable, like him, and they try | Dec 12 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > to project their values onto the microsofters even though it does not | Dec 12 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > overlap with their values. That ends up covering up their bullshit. | Dec 12 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > His early episodes were ok, but I expect the microsofters have him on | Dec 12 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > their radar and are working on him and there has been very little | Dec 12 08:00 |
| schestowitz | > interaction from legitimate people. The "chat with patrons" suggests | Dec 12 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > that. If there were a way to get feedback to him, I would contact him. | Dec 12 08:01 |
| schestowitz | > But I won't forward any more episodes if he's that full of shit. | Dec 12 08:01 |
| schestowitz | >> Can you give some context? | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > It's 5 minutes in. | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > Honestly, I lost my excitement when I saw him trash Stallman during | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > cancellation in Sept 2019. I didn't find that video until I'd been | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > watching him for a while, or I probably wouldn't have started watching | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > in the first place. | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > Anybody who can track all the things he has and known all the things | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > he's demonstrated knowing and can still say Microsoft can change his | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > mind a little is joking around. Not as in don't take him seriously-- as | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > in CAN'T take him seriously. | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > But just skip to the 5:00 mark and decide for yourself. This isn't a | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > recommendation about your feed, it's just a heads up about my own. I | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > don't have a feed exactly like you do, but there are equivalents and I | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > really can't be bothered now. Unfortunately this is really common-- DT | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > was probably the BEST of the guys doing stuff like this. And that's | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > saying so very little, sadly. He's still on "Open Source"-- and it | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > shows. It really shows. Open Source isn't activism, it's more like a | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > circus where Free Software devs are the bears and clowns. Corporations | Dec 12 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > are the ringleader. Sucks. | Dec 12 08:02 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: "With its plans to break secure encryption," | Dec 12 08:48 |
| vZS1 | They aren't breaking anything. Because most systems are not E2EE, by definition. | Dec 12 08:48 |
| schestowitz | being pedantic, yes | Dec 12 08:49 |
| schestowitz | I often mock the idea of "weakened" encryption | Dec 12 08:49 |
| schestowitz | which means fake encryption | Dec 12 08:49 |
| schestowitz | either it's encrypted or it is not | Dec 12 08:49 |
| vZS1 | That's something the public need to be educated about. And it's not being presented. They make it look like they're capable of something they're not. | Dec 12 08:49 |
| vZS1 | It's deception | Dec 12 08:49 |
| schestowitz | or they put some threshold of computer time needed to crack if | Dec 12 08:49 |
| vZS1 | s/presented/pedantic | Dec 12 08:50 |
| schestowitz | as if criminals will say, crap! I don't have a mainframe, I will need to run this on a cluster of SBCs | Dec 12 08:50 |
| schestowitz | minor point: | Dec 12 08:50 |
| schestowitz | these schemes | Dec 12 08:50 |
| schestowitz | fake encryption | Dec 12 08:50 |
| schestowitz | VERY bad for the environment | Dec 12 08:50 |
| schestowitz | like NSA spinning up a million-node machine | Dec 12 08:51 |
| schestowitz | just to break into some little message | Dec 12 08:51 |
| schestowitz | how many trees will die? | Dec 12 08:51 |
| vZS1 | Idk | Dec 12 08:51 |
| schestowitz | or their agile quantum smart clown | Dec 12 08:52 |
| vZS1 | But this habit of labelling fake E2EE as the real thing is what needs a bit more coverage. | Dec 12 08:54 |
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| vZS1 | Even pro-privacy articles don't mention this. | Dec 12 08:57 |
| vZS1 | That needs to change | Dec 12 08:57 |
| vZS1 | When you do E2EE the surveillance machine can't do anything to stop it. | Dec 12 08:57 |
| schestowitz | they can break in | Dec 12 08:58 |
| schestowitz | to get private keys | Dec 12 08:58 |
| schestowitz | and then torture you for passphrases | Dec 12 08:58 |
| schestowitz | (happens.) | Dec 12 08:58 |
| vZS1 | That will be a PR disaster once they start doing it to enough innocent people | Dec 12 08:59 |
| schestowitz | yes, behind closed doors is easier | Dec 12 09:01 |
| schestowitz | the other day we entered the building of gchq in the north | Dec 12 09:01 |
| schestowitz | heron house | Dec 12 09:01 |
| schestowitz | it's where the city council has some operations pending renovations of town hall | Dec 12 09:01 |
| schestowitz | So I said, this is where they read people's private things | Dec 12 09:01 |
| schestowitz | I actually argued with the ladies at reception about privacy | Dec 12 09:02 |
| schestowitz | and Android | Dec 12 09:02 |
| schestowitz | two of them fronting the building | Dec 12 09:02 |
| schestowitz | they lose the argument | Dec 12 09:02 |
| schestowitz | always falling back on "COVID" | Dec 12 09:02 |
| schestowitz | obviously | Dec 12 09:02 |
| schestowitz | lost the argument? COVID. | Dec 12 09:02 |
| schestowitz | COVID does magic | Dec 12 09:03 |
| schestowitz | you can break the law | Dec 12 09:03 |
| schestowitz | deny services | Dec 12 09:03 |
| schestowitz | just... COVID | Dec 12 09:03 |
| schestowitz | suspension of the law | Dec 12 09:03 |
| vZS1 | "emergency measures" | Dec 12 09:03 |
| vZS1 | Trick as old as time | Dec 12 09:03 |
| vZS1 | That's pretty much the entire argument against E2EE as well | Dec 12 09:04 |
| vZS1 | Throw rights out the window | Dec 12 09:05 |
| vZS1 | And accountability | Dec 12 09:05 |
| vZS1 | This is also why it's really important we preserve software encryption. "Hardware-accelerated" encryption is easy to abuse because it's opaque. | Dec 12 09:06 |
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| vZS1 | I forgot to mention this in detail before but HSMs really are not trustworthy. | Dec 12 09:07 |
| vZS1 | HSM := Hardware security module | Dec 12 09:07 |
| schestowitz | RNG in hardware | Dec 12 09:08 |
| schestowitz | opebsd actively avoids those | Dec 12 09:08 |
| schestowitz | because you don't know the entropy | Dec 12 09:08 |
| vZS1 | Yeah | Dec 12 09:08 |
| schestowitz | and cannot reverse-engineer it either | Dec 12 09:08 |
| schestowitz | so it's just a case of "let's hope for the best" | Dec 12 09:08 |
| schestowitz | though Intel works with intel agencies | Dec 12 09:09 |
| schestowitz | to make the numbers more predictable | Dec 12 09:09 |
| schestowitz | like a predictable CHAIN in the seeding | Dec 12 09:09 |
| schestowitz | but the developers is all GIDDY about the PERFORMANCE being improved | Dec 12 09:09 |
| schestowitz | "how do you know Intel works with intel agencies?" | Dec 12 09:09 |
| schestowitz | "DUDE! It's in the name ;-)" | Dec 12 09:10 |
| vZS1 | Assuming developers know anything about the details of E2EE | Dec 12 09:13 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: is it something you're familiar with: | Dec 12 09:13 |
| schestowitz | interactions with govt. | Dec 12 09:13 |
| schestowitz | inc. for blidn people | Dec 12 09:13 |
| schestowitz | can they insist you use an "app"? | Dec 12 09:13 |
| schestowitz | or some other electronic means | Dec 12 09:13 |
| schestowitz | while denying physical presence, dealing with physical documents etc.? | Dec 12 09:14 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: what's the context? I don't remember why I wrote that | Dec 12 09:14 |
| schestowitz | I reckon there are laws that mandate fallbacks at the least | Dec 12 09:14 |
| schestowitz | Heron House | Dec 12 09:14 |
| schestowitz | I insist on doing it the paper way | Dec 12 09:14 |
| schestowitz | no "apps" | Dec 12 09:14 |
| vZS1 | Oh okay | Dec 12 09:14 |
| schestowitz | I told them I won't get someone's 'phone' to do it | Dec 12 09:15 |
| vZS1 | I thought you were quoting me | Dec 12 09:15 |
| vZS1 | Yes. I insist on physical as well | Dec 12 09:15 |
| vZS1 | But for the added reason of preserving jobs for humans | Dec 12 09:15 |
| schestowitz | that too | Dec 12 09:16 |
| schestowitz | but it's a side matter here | Dec 12 09:16 |
| schestowitz | as it's not a law thing | Dec 12 09:16 |
| vZS1 | Just thought I'd mention it, in passing | Dec 12 09:16 |
| schestowitz | you cannot insist that as a matter of law you "want to secure people's jobs" | Dec 12 09:16 |
| vZS1 | I always insist on paper. | Dec 12 09:18 |
| schestowitz | I am preparing an article about it | Dec 12 09:18 |
| vZS1 | Especially when it's low-volume paperwork. | Dec 12 09:18 |
| schestowitz | this can take months | Dec 12 09:18 |
| vZS1 | Take your time | Dec 12 09:18 |
| schestowitz | I need to know which laws to cite | Dec 12 09:18 |
| schestowitz | notes (informal) so far: | Dec 12 09:18 |
| schestowitz | December 10th 2020: went to Town Hall, as explained in the site, at the specified time with all the documents and a laptop, only to be told the service is not available due to COVID but can instead be done at the Post Office | Dec 12 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Went to the Post Office, only to be told they don't do any of that and at least two people had been similar misdirected earlier in the same day | Dec 12 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Went back to Town Hall, only to face a different person, who barely even apologised for the misdirection and use "COVID" as a catch-all excuse, instead suggesting contacting the Home Office or instead use some Android "app" (which is out of the question) | Dec 12 09:18 |
| schestowitz | What if we were disabled or blind? What about options that are paper-based? | Dec 12 09:18 |
| vZS1 | I'd be interested to know about laws covering this area | Dec 12 09:19 |
| schestowitz | an "app-only" government would be a travesty for many reasons; like rendering you a non-citizens for refusing to carry around a so-called 'phone' that tracks your movement more closely than RFID | Dec 12 09:19 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: maybe look into it | Dec 12 09:19 |
| vZS1 | Other tasks higher on the list atm | Dec 12 09:20 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if they also changed the coins the artificially reduce the money supply | Dec 12 09:20 |
| schestowitz | it would be helpful to know how many "old coins" there are compared to "new ones" | Dec 12 09:20 |
| schestowitz | The thinking is, they try to impose financial surveillance by "going digital" | Dec 12 09:21 |
| vZS1 | There needs to be more legislation around surveillance. Because new technology will always make it easier to carry out surveillance. They might start tracking individual bank notes and aggregate that with recognition data. | Dec 12 09:23 |
| vZS1 | So cash-only isn't going to stop surveillance | Dec 12 09:24 |
| vZS1 | It is important to maintain cash, yes | Dec 12 09:24 |
| vZS1 | But we need legislation that allows people to sue the government | Dec 12 09:24 |
| vZS1 | More ammunition against "emergency measures" | Dec 12 09:25 |
| vZS1 | Right now surveillance machine operates like an absolute monarch. It isn't held accountable and is above the law. | Dec 12 09:25 |
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| vZS1 | The assumption that everyone is a criminal is the default now. So this throws "innocent until proven guilty" out the window. I'm no lawyer but this should hold up in any non-kangaroo court. | Dec 12 09:28 |
| vZS1 | This argument* | Dec 12 09:28 |
| vZS1 | If someone is spying on you by default, you should be able to take legal action against them. This is currently not the case. | Dec 12 09:29 |
| vZS1 | Because "emergency measures". | Dec 12 09:30 |
| vZS1 | Right now data surveillance is analogous to breaking into someone's house without a warrant | Dec 12 09:32 |
| vZS1 | This needs to stop and fast | Dec 12 09:32 |
| vZS1 | And it's also a huge waste of money. People that know what they're doing are practically immune to these measures. Analogous to DRM. | Dec 12 09:36 |
| schestowitz | [09:25] <vZS1> Right now surveillance machine operates like an absolute monarch. It isn't held accountable and is above the law. | Dec 12 09:37 |
| schestowitz | this is why we need TECHNICAL measure | Dec 12 09:37 |
| schestowitz | to overcome this | Dec 12 09:37 |
| schestowitz | freesw can overcome state-mandated/imposed back doors | Dec 12 09:37 |
| schestowitz | usually | Dec 12 09:37 |
| schestowitz | assuming that freesw isn't itself infiltrated | Dec 12 09:37 |
| schestowitz | don't connect to things when not needed ('phone') | Dec 12 09:37 |
| vZS1 | They'll ban them | Dec 12 09:38 |
| vZS1 | Look at what's happening with E2EE | Dec 12 09:38 |
| schestowitz | when browsing more sensitive things, don't use your own connection, or use tor etc. | Dec 12 09:38 |
| vZS1 | They want to make E2EE illegal. That's their end goal | Dec 12 09:38 |
| schestowitz | they cannot | Dec 12 09:38 |
| schestowitz | well, with shithub they are a step closer | Dec 12 09:39 |
| schestowitz | under the guise of extra security now they want to edit people's code in their repos | Dec 12 09:39 |
| schestowitz | and soon they'll also 'fix' the binaries | Dec 12 09:39 |
| schestowitz | for 'security' | Dec 12 09:39 |
| schestowitz | this is something the media missed | Dec 12 09:39 |
| schestowitz | or played along | Dec 12 09:39 |
| schestowitz | as in, Microsoft keeps your code more secure | Dec 12 09:39 |
| schestowitz | while in NSA PRISM | Dec 12 09:39 |
| schestowitz | greater awareness about it is necessary | Dec 12 09:40 |
| schestowitz | "hosting in github" | Dec 12 09:40 |
| schestowitz | = 'compromised' | Dec 12 09:40 |
| vZS1 | Someone needs to foot "the media's" bills. Because "the media" is not a sustainable business. | Dec 12 09:40 |
| schestowitz | not interested, not for security/privacy | Dec 12 09:40 |
| schestowitz | and some people who insinuate you're nuts for suggesting so | Dec 12 09:40 |
| schestowitz | yes, "the media" is sponsored | Dec 12 09:41 |
| schestowitz | techrights mentions that a lot in passing | Dec 12 09:41 |
| vZS1 | youtube-dl shows us who was right | Dec 12 09:41 |
| schestowitz | some decent journalists seem to have mandatory PR to do | Dec 12 09:41 |
| schestowitz | like PR "assignments" | Dec 12 09:41 |
| schestowitz | to keep the salaries coming | Dec 12 09:41 |
| schestowitz | I need more help with delete github | Dec 12 09:42 |
| schestowitz | some people appeal to "scale" | Dec 12 09:42 |
| schestowitz | either, "everyone uses it" | Dec 12 09:42 |
| schestowitz | or, "it's only you complaining" | Dec 12 09:42 |
| schestowitz | magnify, minify [sic] | Dec 12 09:42 |
| schestowitz | big = good | Dec 12 09:42 |
| schestowitz | small = wrong | Dec 12 09:42 |
| schestowitz | big media = accurate | Dec 12 09:42 |
| vZS1 | Who said GitHub scales? | Dec 12 09:42 |
| schestowitz | small media = conspiracy" | Dec 12 09:43 |
| schestowitz | "many use github" = it must be good | Dec 12 09:43 |
| vZS1 | GitHub chokes on big patches | Dec 12 09:43 |
| schestowitz | FSF = small, hence "fringe" | Dec 12 09:43 |
| schestowitz | I did not mean scale in that sense | Dec 12 09:43 |
| schestowitz | by "appeal to scale" I meant something else | Dec 12 09:43 |
| vZS1 | I'm not endorsing FSF in any way, shape, nor form. | Dec 12 09:43 |
| schestowitz | "sole advocate"= crazy | Dec 12 09:43 |
| schestowitz | "big corporation" = credible | Dec 12 09:44 |
| schestowitz | so you wind up having to grow the team of faking size | Dec 12 09:44 |
| schestowitz | just to be taken seriously | Dec 12 09:44 |
| schestowitz | notice how EPO plays this game | Dec 12 09:44 |
| schestowitz | bribing the media | Dec 12 09:44 |
| schestowitz | and then pretending that the staff's voice is just "vocal minority" | Dec 12 09:44 |
| schestowitz | while squashing, attacking, censoring those who give them a voice" | Dec 12 09:45 |
| schestowitz | this is the colonialism modus operandi | Dec 12 09:45 |
| vZS1 | This is how propaganda machine operates. | Dec 12 09:45 |
| schestowitz | also to deomoralise the dissenters | Dec 12 09:45 |
| schestowitz | making them feel smaller than they are | Dec 12 09:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft had done that to Linux for decades | Dec 12 09:45 |
| schestowitz | until it started the "loves Linux" PR | Dec 12 09:45 |
| schestowitz | anyway, let's stop there | Dec 12 09:45 |
| schestowitz | and get back on topic | Dec 12 09:45 |
| vZS1 | Which reminds me | Dec 12 09:46 |
| schestowitz | nothing new about the above | Dec 12 09:46 |
| schestowitz | I will carry on chasing Town Hall | Dec 12 09:46 |
| schestowitz | they will find out, | Dec 12 09:46 |
| schestowitz | it's the TECHS who reject tech | Dec 12 09:46 |
| schestowitz | like "swiping cards" | Dec 12 09:46 |
| vZS1 | cybrNaut: any updates about the piece on Facebook and the police? | Dec 12 09:46 |
| schestowitz | with insecure chipping | Dec 12 09:46 |
| schestowitz | and erosion of customer services | Dec 12 09:46 |
| schestowitz | the non-techs swallow it all, thinking they'll seem "techy" for swiping and paying $2000 for a 'phone' | Dec 12 09:47 |
| vZS1 | I convinced my mother that expensive phones are a scam | Dec 12 09:47 |
| schestowitz | patent tax and brand premium | Dec 12 09:47 |
| schestowitz | she pays for the ads | Dec 12 09:47 |
| vZS1 | Yeah | Dec 12 09:47 |
| schestowitz | the ones that brainwash her | Dec 12 09:47 |
| schestowitz | "what kind of IDIOT uses a SMART phone??" | Dec 12 09:48 |
| vZS1 | I'm the tech person on the family. When they see my cheap phones are quicker than their bloated ones, they can't really argue. | Dec 12 09:48 |
| schestowitz | (contrary to what the ads teach people) | Dec 12 09:48 |
| vZS1 | As obvious as it may sound | Dec 12 09:49 |
| vZS1 | People forget ads are marketing | Dec 12 09:49 |
| vZS1 | The sole purpose of which is to increase sales and not educate nor provide improvements | Dec 12 09:50 |
| vZS1 | I get called out for pointing out the obvious a lot. But it's important to bring up the fundamentals. | Dec 12 09:51 |
| schestowitz | http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/12/11/neurim-and-flynn-v-mylan-a-case-put-to-bed/ | Dec 12 09:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Neurim and Flynn v Mylan - A case put to bed? - Kluwer Patent Blog | Dec 12 09:51 | |
| schestowitz | "Melatonex advertisement for 3 mg of melatonin as a sleeping aid was dismissed as mere advertising puff' | Dec 12 09:51 |
| schestowitz | the media is an extension of the copyright cartel | Dec 12 09:54 |
| schestowitz | few firms have a grip on everything | Dec 12 09:54 |
| schestowitz | like papers, CD shops, distribution channels | Dec 12 09:54 |
| schestowitz | which are connected to what's advertised | Dec 12 09:54 |
| schestowitz | so if you work outside their loop, it is an uphill battle | Dec 12 09:54 |
| schestowitz | the same is true for games, e.g. Steam | Dec 12 09:55 |
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| schestowitz | the distribution channels become a (near) monopoly. "Apps stores..." | Dec 12 09:55 |
| schestowitz | Facebook shifted the monopoly somewhat, but not in a good way | Dec 12 09:55 |
| schestowitz | and we know why Microsoft operates ShitHub at a loss | Dec 12 09:56 |
| schestowitz | we need to make sure it's a write-off like Nokia | Dec 12 09:56 |
| schestowitz | losses each quarter | Dec 12 09:56 |
| schestowitz | plus loss on purchasing price | Dec 12 09:56 |
| schestowitz | total losses maybe 15 billion | Dec 12 09:56 |
| schestowitz | and Satya gets sacked | Dec 12 09:56 |
| schestowitz | like Ballmer (sort of pushed out) | Dec 12 09:56 |
| schestowitz | they bleed while grifting now | Dec 12 09:56 |
| schestowitz | layoffs, losses, defrauding shareholders, getting bailout money from taxpayers | Dec 12 09:57 |
| schestowitz | they are riding the money of investors whom they lie to and taxpayers' money as well | Dec 12 09:57 |
| schestowitz | while Windows is 'sold' for nothing or negative pricing | Dec 12 09:57 |
| vZS1 | Some time in the new year I'll do another guest editorial post on Shithub. | Dec 12 10:00 |
| vZS1 | There needs to be an article citing all the ShitHub dirt and also from someone that actually maintains Git repos and works with very large software projects. | Dec 12 10:03 |
| schestowitz | we have many articles, but not collated in one wiki page | Dec 12 10:03 |
| schestowitz | maybe one day figosdev can run his scripts to bind those together | Dec 12 10:03 |
| vZS1 | I'll do it like the E2EE piece. A long form. Is that alright? | Dec 12 10:03 |
| schestowitz | he maintains an index here http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github | Dec 12 10:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights | Dec 12 10:04 | |
| schestowitz | yes, any guest article from a person who knows what she or he writes about | Dec 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | I rarely write about things I don't understand, unlike the "big" media | Dec 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | the "trump says" and "bill gates says" pieces | Dec 12 10:04 |
| schestowitz | one clueless person citing a liar or another clueless person | Dec 12 10:05 |
| schestowitz | appeal to authority based on role/money | Dec 12 10:05 |
| schestowitz | RICH paper quotes RICH person on RICH people's stuff | Dec 12 10:05 |
| schestowitz | corporate media in a nutshell | Dec 12 10:05 |
| schestowitz | with few exceptions to save face | Dec 12 10:05 |
| vZS1 | Those Gates videos you sent yesterday were good | Dec 12 10:05 |
| schestowitz | spread them, I guess | Dec 12 10:06 |
| vZS1 | Now I can send those to people that need to see them | Dec 12 10:06 |
| vZS1 | Yeah | Dec 12 10:06 |
| schestowitz | I don't watch TV, but apparently it's full of Gates-funded puff pieces | Dec 12 10:06 |
| schestowitz | media is a service | Dec 12 10:06 |
| vZS1 | TR has a lot. So it's a learning process for me | Dec 12 10:06 |
| schestowitz | for those whom it covered | Dec 12 10:06 |
| vZS1 | I haven't watched TV in over a decade | Dec 12 10:06 |
| schestowitz | those whom it targets are the "PRODUCT" | Dec 12 10:06 |
| vZS1 | If I use the TV it's just as a display | Dec 12 10:07 |
| schestowitz | I had a TV 2 decades ago | Dec 12 10:07 |
| schestowitz | With shit on it | Dec 12 10:07 |
| schestowitz | like Graham Norton and stuff | Dec 12 10:07 |
| schestowitz | "talk show" nonsense | Dec 12 10:07 |
| schestowitz | cheap to make | Dec 12 10:07 |
| schestowitz | and lots of mindless crap | Dec 12 10:07 |
| vZS1 | I think the TR front page could use some simplification btw | Dec 12 10:07 |
| schestowitz | maybe it ought to | Dec 12 10:08 |
| schestowitz | the site is mainly wiki, blog, assets like PDFs and videos etc. | Dec 12 10:08 |
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| vZS1 | Yeah. I'd streamline to highlight that stuff. And have a separate "site index" page for people that want to explore | Dec 12 10:09 |
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| vZS1 | Highlight your PGP key on the front page as well. With contact details. | Dec 12 10:09 |
| vZS1 | I struggled to find out where things were until I participated in IRC. | Dec 12 10:10 |
| vZS1 | Maybe a good project for next year. | Dec 12 10:11 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/12/12/mou-open-letter/ | Dec 12 10:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Two Years Ago SUEPO Discussed Rules of Strike With António Campinos and 3 Days From Now EPO Staff in All Sites Goes on Strike | Techrights | Dec 12 10:15 | |
| schestowitz | achievement unlocked | Dec 12 10:15 |
| schestowitz | 7000 people on strike | Dec 12 10:15 |
| schestowitz | (up to) | Dec 12 10:16 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: re front page, let us complete server migration first | Dec 12 10:16 |
| schestowitz | some time this month, Ariadne said she'd have time this weekend | Dec 12 10:16 |
| schestowitz | as a side perk, it's also a hardware/spec upgrade | Dec 12 10:17 |
| vZS1 | Cool | Dec 12 10:18 |
| vZS1 | > schestowitz: vZS1: re front page, let us complete server migration first | Dec 12 10:18 |
| vZS1 | That's why I said for next year | Dec 12 10:18 |
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| schestowitz | need assistance | Dec 12 10:44 |
| schestowitz | over the next 1-2 hours | Dec 12 10:44 |
| schestowitz | "this grant is administered by our legal and fiscal sponsor Software Freedom Conservancy, a not-for-profit charity that promotes software freedom." | Dec 12 10:45 |
| schestowitz | https://godotengine.org/article/godot-engine-receiving-support-funded-facebook-reality-labs | Dec 12 10:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-godotengine.org | Godot Engine - Godot Engine receiving support funded by Facebook Reality Labs | Dec 12 10:45 | |
| schestowitz | What does this really mean? | Dec 12 10:45 |
| schestowitz | I know Godot works with Microsoft | Dec 12 10:45 |
| schestowitz | and took money from Microsoft | Dec 12 10:45 |
| schestowitz | and outsources everything to ShitHub | Dec 12 10:45 |
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| schestowitz | how does that fit into SFC's role? | Dec 12 10:45 |
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| MinceR | 12 114535 < schestowitz> I know Godot works with Microsoft | Dec 12 10:53 |
| MinceR | i didn't know that | Dec 12 10:53 |
| Ariadne | i only work with the jellycat(tm) stuffed animal company of london, england | Dec 12 10:54 |
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| Ariadne | also i have a massive hangover (: | Dec 12 11:02 |
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| Techrights-sec | https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16972633 | Dec 12 11:11 |
| Techrights-sec | https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Godot | Dec 12 11:11 |
| Techrights-sec | https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-04-14-what-is-the-best-game-engine-is-godot-right-fo | Dec 12 11:11 |
| Techrights-sec | r-you | Dec 12 11:11 |
| Techrights-sec | It uses C++ but is also afflicted with M$ C$ | Dec 12 11:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wikidata.org | Godot - Wikidata | Dec 12 11:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-directory.fsf.org | Godot - Free Software Directory | Dec 12 11:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-04-14-what-is-the-best-game-engine-is-godot-right-fo ) | Dec 12 11:11 | |
| schestowitz | I want to better understand what the role of SFC is in there; is it now some sort of accounting middleman? This is a new sort of role to me... | Dec 12 11:12 |
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| psydroid | Microsoft has been buying game studios over the years and is taking Xbox, Game Pass etc. quite seriously | Dec 12 11:23 |
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| psydroid | They don't want to lose whatever there is left of the home user market | Dec 12 11:24 |
| schestowitz | #FOSSlife Team is a joke. Posting #proprietarySoftware junk for #microsoft UNBELIEVABLE!!! Who does #LPI work for now? https://www.fosslife.org/xbox-expand-cloud-gaming-ios-and-pc-2021 | Dec 12 11:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | Xbox to Expand Cloud Gaming to iOS and PC in 2021 | Dec 12 11:38 | |
| schestowitz | Linux Professional Institute Inc.: We post ads and spam for #microsoft so you will get #ProprietarySoftware and malware that spies on you in your bedroom. UNBELIEVABLE, LPI! Even the corrupt #linuxfoundation did not go that far. | Dec 12 11:38 |
| schestowitz | yesterday: http://schestowitz.com/2020/12/11/ | Dec 12 11:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Dec 12 11:38 | |
| Techrights-sec | The SFC is rather opaque. | Dec 12 11:39 |
| Techrights-sec | ? https://godotengine.org/article/godot-engine-receiving-support-funded-facebook-reality-labs | Dec 12 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Why is SFC needed as a third wheel or mule here? Seems suspicious for a nonprofit. | Dec 12 11:39 |
| Ariadne | SFC acts as accounting entity for some projects | Dec 12 11:40 |
| Techrights-sec | Mule or front for laungering like activities? | Dec 12 11:41 |
| Techrights-sec | ^laundering | Dec 12 11:41 |
| schestowitz | This seems as stinky as the LF, which SFC moaned about years ago (before SFC took Microsoft cash and sold Microsoft keynotes) | Dec 12 11:41 |
| Ariadne | they take money in and then developers invoice the SFC for payment | Dec 12 11:43 |
| Ariadne | these days i don't know why anyone would bother with that when you can just use opencollective | Dec 12 11:43 |
| Ariadne | and then bigger projects have to have their own infrastructure for this anyway | Dec 12 11:44 |
| schestowitz | SPI does arch | Dec 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz | and many other non-Debian projects | Dec 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz | but SFC? | Dec 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz | is that an SFC thing now? And since when? | Dec 12 11:45 |
| Ariadne | that was the original purpose of SFC | Dec 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz | tax exemption sieve? | Dec 12 11:45 |
| Ariadne | yes, basically | Dec 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz | SFC was made for GPL enforcement | Dec 12 11:45 |
| Ariadne | no | Dec 12 11:45 |
| Ariadne | GPL enforcement came later | Dec 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz | I suppose I need to read up on it | Dec 12 11:46 |
| Ariadne | after they decided moglen wasn't doing a good job | Dec 12 11:46 |
| Ariadne | its a huge mess | Dec 12 11:46 |
| Techrights-sec | opencollective is well hidden? | Dec 12 11:46 |
| Ariadne | conservancy was started by SFLC to be what would now be called a fiscal host for projects | Dec 12 11:46 |
| Ariadne | opencollective isn't that well hidden, a lot of projects use it | Dec 12 11:46 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Freedom_Conservancy | Dec 12 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Software Freedom Conservancy - Wikipedia | Dec 12 11:47 | |
| schestowitz | "In 2007 Conservancy started coordinating GNU General Public License compliance and enforcement actions, primarily for the BusyBox project [4] (see BusyBox GPL lawsuits)." | Dec 12 11:47 |
| Ariadne | yeah | Dec 12 11:47 |
| Ariadne | thats because bradley kuhn had a falling out with moglen (SFLC) | Dec 12 11:47 |
| Ariadne | and took conservancy independent | Dec 12 11:47 |
| schestowitz | SFLC is also legal work | Dec 12 11:47 |
| schestowitz | not accounting afaik | Dec 12 11:47 |
| Ariadne | but conservancy has been doing project administration since 2004 | Dec 12 11:47 |
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| Ariadne | i'm not a fan, but to each their own | Dec 12 11:48 |
| schestowitz | "Software Freedom Conservancy is an organization that provides a non-profit home and infrastructure support, including legal services" | Dec 12 11:48 |
| schestowitz | That's how they present themselves | Dec 12 11:48 |
| schestowitz | doesn't say anything about money handling | Dec 12 11:48 |
| schestowitz | so SFC is like a 'community' bank now | Dec 12 11:49 |
| schestowitz | and it's taking money from dodgy companies | Dec 12 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Salesforce, Google, Microsoft... | Dec 12 11:49 |
| schestowitz | hardly what I'd consider true to its mission | Dec 12 11:49 |
| Ariadne | infrastructure as in administration infrastructure | Dec 12 11:49 |
| Ariadne | not like IT stuff | Dec 12 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Past directors include: | Dec 12 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Stormy Peters | Dec 12 11:50 |
| schestowitz | LOL!!!! | Dec 12 11:50 |
| Ariadne | in fairness when SFC was started a lot of projects were DIYing this stuff | Dec 12 11:50 |
| Ariadne | and a ton of people got in trouble with the IRS | Dec 12 11:51 |
| Ariadne | and if there's somebody you never wanna be in trouble with | Dec 12 11:51 |
| Ariadne | the IRS is it | Dec 12 11:51 |
| Ariadne | (: | Dec 12 11:51 |
| MinceR | just do it the way the cult of scientology did | Dec 12 11:51 |
| MinceR | infiltrate the IRS, become tax exempt | Dec 12 11:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no nee | Dec 12 11:51 |
| schestowitz | need | Dec 12 11:51 |
| schestowitz | gnu is a church already | Dec 12 11:51 |
| schestowitz | RMS even got the costumes and everything | Dec 12 11:52 |
| schestowitz | halo | Dec 12 11:52 |
| schestowitz | gown | Dec 12 11:52 |
| schestowitz | robe whatever | Dec 12 11:52 |
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| Ariadne | i have a witch hat does that count for something | Dec 12 11:52 |
| schestowitz | "stay the fuck away, IRS, of you are racist and sexist and stuff" | Dec 12 11:52 |
| schestowitz | *or | Dec 12 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: does a spaghetti strainer count? | Dec 12 11:52 |
| Ariadne | yeah i dont think you can cancel the IRS | Dec 12 11:53 |
| schestowitz | it has a practical function, too | Dec 12 11:53 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 12 11:53 |
| MinceR | it would be hilarious | Dec 12 11:53 |
| schestowitz | https://www.propublica.org/article/irs-sorry-but-its-just-easier-and-cheaper-to-audit-the-poor | Dec 12 11:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.propublica.org | IRS: Sorry, but It’s Just Easier and Cheaper to Audit the Poor — ProPublica | Dec 12 11:53 | |
| Ariadne | they will just be like "ok well, we are docking your bank account ending in ****1234 $170,000 per court order" | Dec 12 11:53 |
| schestowitz | IRS is defunct | Dec 12 11:53 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't go after the biggest culprit | Dec 12 11:54 |
| schestowitz | "too expensive" | Dec 12 11:54 |
| Ariadne | i assure you they are very much alive | Dec 12 11:54 |
| Ariadne | considering i have to pay them $700 quarterly | Dec 12 11:54 |
| schestowitz | not where they should be | Dec 12 11:54 |
| schestowitz | like enforcement against Microsoft | Dec 12 11:54 |
| Ariadne | microsoft, amazon, google | Dec 12 11:54 |
| Ariadne | i'd like to see those three in tax court | Dec 12 11:54 |
| Ariadne | popcorn please :) | Dec 12 11:55 |
| schestowitz | are you crazy? in covid time? | Dec 12 11:55 |
| schestowitz | they don't even do court hearings now | Dec 12 11:55 |
| schestowitz | they bypass the law | Dec 12 11:55 |
| Ariadne | they do, via zoom | Dec 12 11:55 |
| schestowitz | they do the equivalent of, you can cheat with a judge over the telephone while she's in her pajamas | Dec 12 11:55 |
| schestowitz | *chat | Dec 12 11:56 |
| schestowitz | not cheay | Dec 12 11:56 |
| Ariadne | i mean | Dec 12 11:56 |
| schestowitz | though it's also easy to cheat the court over "link" rather than in person | Dec 12 11:56 |
| MinceR | aren't they all sufficiently entangled with the government that they're above the law already? | Dec 12 11:56 |
| Ariadne | pajamas are pretty great | Dec 12 11:56 |
| schestowitz | pajamas justice | Dec 12 11:56 |
| schestowitz | thanks, covid | Dec 12 11:56 |
| schestowitz | read comments in http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/12/10/vico-for-oral-proceedings-at-the-epo-cipas-view/ | Dec 12 11:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | ViCo for Oral Proceedings at the EPO – CIPA’s view - Kluwer Patent Blog | Dec 12 11:57 | |
| Ariadne | anyway | Dec 12 11:57 |
| Ariadne | i would still like to see those three companies in tax court | Dec 12 11:58 |
| Ariadne | it will never happen of course | Dec 12 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | not just those 3 | Dec 12 12:01 |
| schestowitz | and not just tax companies | Dec 12 12:01 |
| schestowitz | some oil companies RECEIVE tax money | Dec 12 12:01 |
| schestowitz | not just avoid paying tax | Dec 12 12:01 |
| schestowitz | we need a "system reset" | Dec 12 12:01 |
| schestowitz | and that would include retroactively fining all the above | Dec 12 12:01 |
| schestowitz | for buying off the system and amassing stolen capital | Dec 12 12:01 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/704941.jpg | Dec 12 12:11 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: what's that taste like? | Dec 12 12:15 |
| schestowitz | "it stings" | Dec 12 12:15 |
| MinceR | probably bad | Dec 12 12:16 |
| schestowitz | beeyers remorse | Dec 12 12:16 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/704921.jpg | Dec 12 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | vZS1: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2020/12/12/tech-versus-human-rights/ | Dec 12 13:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » COVID May Have Caused (or Helped) the UK Home Office and Manchester Town Hall to Violate Basic Laws or Fundamental Human Rights | Dec 12 13:48 | |
| schestowitz | I put my notes there, will resume at a later date | Dec 12 13:48 |
| schestowitz | maybe January | Dec 12 13:48 |
| schestowitz | depending on covid | Dec 12 13:49 |
| schestowitz | we're in Tier 3 for now | Dec 12 13:49 |
| schestowitz | December 16th might change that | Dec 12 13:49 |
| vZS1_2 | Giving it a look now | Dec 12 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Town Hall will say "Speak to Home Office" | Dec 12 13:49 |
| schestowitz | so I will | Dec 12 13:49 |
| schestowitz | they don't scare me | Dec 12 13:49 |
| vZS1_2 | They shouldn't. They're public servants. Their job is the serve the public. | Dec 12 13:49 |
| vZS1_2 | s/is the/is to/ | Dec 12 13:50 |
| schestowitz | serve=tell the public "GET DA APP!" | Dec 12 13:50 |
| vZS1_2 | "They literally want people to take selfies of themselves and then send that to the Home Office, then send sensitive documents over ‘phones’ with back doors." | Dec 12 13:56 |
| vZS1_2 | This is also true for ordering prescriptions online. | Dec 12 13:56 |
| vZS1_2 | Someone wanted me to sign them up for online prescriptions. The online service was asking for a picture/scan of their passport. | Dec 12 13:57 |
| vZS1_2 | Unacceptable. | Dec 12 13:57 |
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| vZS1_2 | An email was sent to the surgery, and they sent the person a text message with another link. | Dec 12 13:57 |
| vZS1_2 | Even though the email/ticket explicitly stated no passport scan/picture will be sent. They still wanted it. | Dec 12 13:58 |
| vZS1_2 | Either they are uneducated and illiterate or they want the passport on their systems really bad. | Dec 12 13:58 |
| vZS1_2 | I assume the lateer. | Dec 12 13:58 |
| vZS1_2 | s/lateer/latter | Dec 12 13:58 |
| vZS1_2 | I pick up these prescriptions for said individual in person but they're using covid as an excuse to force people online. | Dec 12 13:59 |
| vZS1_2 | And all the identification/registration procesurdes that are alternatives to sending a picture/scan of a passport seem to end up with infinite loops. | Dec 12 14:00 |
| vZS1_2 | This stinks of survillance by proxy. | Dec 12 14:00 |
| vZS1_2 | s/survillance/surveillance | Dec 12 14:00 |
| vZS1_2 | I'm not going to back down on this. I'm keeping records of every single email and message. Priting them all out for evidence in case they try to hoodwink me. | Dec 12 14:02 |
| schestowitz | good | Dec 12 14:02 |
| schestowitz | then write about it | Dec 12 14:02 |
| vZS1_2 | That was the plan | Dec 12 14:02 |
| schestowitz | maybe we can do a series about this in techrights | Dec 12 14:02 |
| schestowitz | not a subject we focus on typically | Dec 12 14:02 |
| schestowitz | but can be helpful nevertheless | Dec 12 14:03 |
| schestowitz | the US has the same issues | Dec 12 14:03 |
| schestowitz | I heard stories here in IRC | Dec 12 14:03 |
| schestowitz | like people being asked for ID when entering the library | Dec 12 14:03 |
| schestowitz | they did this to DaemonFC[m] | Dec 12 14:03 |
| schestowitz | and then they hunted him down | Dec 12 14:03 |
| schestowitz | for refusing to show an ID | Dec 12 14:03 |
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| vZS1_2 | People should never send a scan of their passport online. That's madness. | Dec 12 14:04 |
| schestowitz | passport copies should not be saved on their WIndows systems BTW, I'm pretty sure this violates not only GDPR | Dec 12 14:04 |
| schestowitz | they probably upload it to some US clown | Dec 12 14:04 |
| schestowitz | at least "For backup" | Dec 12 14:04 |
| schestowitz | [14:04] <vZS1_2> People should never send a scan of their passport online. That's madness. | Dec 12 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Twitter asked for the same from me | Dec 12 14:04 |
| schestowitz | to get "verified" | Dec 12 14:04 |
| schestowitz | that was ages ago | Dec 12 14:05 |
| schestowitz | because some accounts forged mine | Dec 12 14:05 |
| schestowitz | FB apparently still asks people to upload IDs | Dec 12 14:05 |
| vZS1_2 | Anyone can then just send a scan. That's bullshit not authentication. | Dec 12 14:05 |
| schestowitz | or worse: https://www.forbes.com/sites/dbloom/2018/05/24/facebook-wants-your-nude-photos-what-could-possibly-go-wrong/ | Dec 12 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Facebook Wants Your Nude Photos; What Could Possibly Go Wrong? | Dec 12 14:05 | |
| vZS1_2 | Defeats the whole point of a physical passport document | Dec 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: or even play a video to the phone | Dec 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz | to pretend another person holds it up | Dec 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz | it's not auth | Dec 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz | they want not stills now | Dec 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz | but videos | Dec 12 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | and they store videos of your selfies | Dec 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz | as if that proves it's you who sent some docs | Dec 12 14:06 |
| schestowitz | this is cheapening the law and regulations | Dec 12 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | vZS1_2: holograms on passports matter | Dec 12 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | don't get me started about people who upload visa scans to their facebook timelines | Dec 12 14:07 |
| schestowitz | sometimes even password cover pages | Dec 12 14:07 |
| schestowitz | to "brag" | Dec 12 14:07 |
| schestowitz | and get "likes" and "comments" | Dec 12 14:07 |
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| vZS1 | Not even surprised anymore | Dec 12 14:17 |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac | Dec 12 15:11 |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/teleporter-3 | Dec 12 15:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Teleporter | Dec 12 15:26 | |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/economist-2 | Dec 12 15:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Economist | Dec 12 15:54 | |
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| schestowitz | -comics | more in http://schestowitz.com/2020/12/12/#latest | Dec 12 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Dec 12 17:46 | |
| schestowitz | >> ... Unfortunately this is really common-- DT was probably the BEST of | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | >> the guys doing stuff like this. And that's saying so very little, | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | >> sadly. He's still on "Open Source"-- and it shows. It really shows. | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | >> Open Source isn't activism, it's more like a circus where Free | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | >> Software devs are the bears and clowns. Corporations are the | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | >> ringleader. Sucks. | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > His earlier Unfettered Freedom had been rather good, and most | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > unfortunately I must agree with the above assessment that DT was | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > probably the best of the guys doing those kinds of video. | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > " ... You just assume | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > 05:00they're always gonna be like that. Kinda like Microsoft. | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > For decades Microsoft was so anti- Free Software, anti- Open | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > Source, anti- Linux you know for a while they really had to | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > prove it to us that they were actually serious about working | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > with the Open Source community and doing good stuff with open | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > source software and quite frankly Microsoft is starting to | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > change my mind a little bit with what they are doing but Apple, | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > Apple hasn't even gotten onto that road yet. | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > 05:30So Linus goes on to say ..." | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > https://lbry.tv/@DistroTube:2/unfettered-freedom-ep-12-linus-on-m1-mac:b | Dec 12 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lbry.tv | Unfettered Freedom Ep. 12 - Linus on M1 Mac, Snaps 2020, Funtoo, Sabayon, Fedora Pipewire, Systemd | Dec 12 17:46 | |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > M$ has proved something to me lately and has been changing /my/ mind | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > about their behavior. It has proved that they've gotten more sneaky, | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > more malicious, more political, and more destructive. So my mind has | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > been changing in that I have been realizing that as much as I eschewed | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > their products, methodology, and proponents, I was too soft on M$ and | Dec 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | > its boosters. | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > As for Apple, it was fully into Open Source for a while and the future | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > there was looking bright for a couple of years when Steve Jobs was | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > working with NextStep-based technologies in OS X. | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > https://opensource.apple.com/ | Dec 12 17:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.apple.com | Open Source - Releases | Dec 12 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | > https://developer.apple.com/opensource/ | Dec 12 17:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.apple.com | Open Source - Apple Developer | Dec 12 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > So Apple was not only on that road and leading the way for a while, it | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > actively stepped off and went off in a bad direction, in particular in | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > the direction of software patents. You can see that even today with | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > their supporting reasoning behind their decision to switch from bash to | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > zsh. There are technical reasons to do so, but they are having none of | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > that. | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > https://thenextweb.com/dd/2019/06/04/why-does-macos-catalina-use-zsh-instead-of-bash-licensing/ | Dec 12 17:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | Why does macOS Catalina use Zsh instead of Bash? Licensing | Dec 12 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > However, Apple never got the Freedom aspects and only worked with OSS | Dec 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > and won't for the foreseeable future. | Dec 12 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Dr. Evil voice: "Yeah, how bout no!?" | Dec 12 17:49 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | On the Facebook wants your nudes thing. | Dec 12 17:49 |
| schestowitz | so the revenge pornographer will do it | Dec 12 17:51 |
| schestowitz | they want to "compare" | Dec 12 17:51 |
| schestowitz | send us your pics | Dec 12 17:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because Apple doesn't care about backwards compatibility and zsh uses a pushover license. | Dec 12 17:51 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Their version of bash didn't get anything except a few security updates written by Apple since 2007. | Dec 12 17:52 |
| schestowitz | If there's no "revenge", the pics will be on the "Clown" regardless | Dec 12 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: got a reply for you: | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > This one actually ISN'T about DFC, but you would think that someone who | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > reads, or even proofreads TR would have been less optimistic than that. | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > "Clown" and Free Software are like oil and water-- Clown means you don't | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > control your computing, clowns do. And IBM is a clown company, so we | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > already knew what they would do to Red Hat-- stick a big squirting | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > flower into it and turn it into Clown Hat. | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > DaemonFC[m] | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > I was hoping that more good than harm would come from IBM merging with | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > Red Hat. | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > DaemonFC[m] | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > That they would have a bunch of money and more or less leave it alone. | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > DaemonFC[m] | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > Now they don't appear to be interested in a lot except keeping RHEL | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | > around in someone else's chains. | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | A day or so before centos was 'canned' | Dec 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | on 09/12/2020 09:34 | Dec 12 17:56 |
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| schestowitz | vZS1 also got this reply from fig: | Dec 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > Not that he doesn't know what he's talking about, but FFS, even with X | Dec 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > you would be shocked how lightweight it is. It's like they took an | Dec 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > existing distro, cut all the crap and did everything right. May not | Dec 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > apply to FreeBSD. NetBSD isn't bad but it has a terrible installer, one | Dec 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > of the worst I've ever used. Worst ever was probably Red Hat 6. | Dec 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > vZS1 | Dec 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > If you do a BSD install without X, you can then build a very light | Dec 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > system on top of that. | Dec 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | ------ | Dec 12 18:01 |
| schestowitz | 10/12/2020 15:36: | Dec 12 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > I've long advocated for these. We already agree on hardwired physical | Dec 12 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > switches, but a camera cover is also ideal. Better than tape, and it | Dec 12 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > says "we get it." Doesn't really work for the mic of course. | Dec 12 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > DaemonFC[m] | Dec 12 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > MinceR: Looks like they anticipated Windows RATs. | Dec 12 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 12 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > DaemonFC[m] | Dec 12 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > There's a privacy shutter on the webcam. | Dec 12 18:01 |
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| smnthermes | test | Dec 12 20:11 |
| smnthermes | test2 | Dec 12 20:11 |
| MinceR | test3 | Dec 12 20:12 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Horrible part is not all privacy shutters on webcams work. Does pay to check them. Some cases a webcam that working horrible under normal light someone failed to fit ir filter so when you close privacy shutter they then come a IR camera in lot of case seeing a lot more. | Dec 12 20:12 |
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| oiaohm | I prefer the true power cut switch on webcams you know they are dead and not seeing anything then. | Dec 12 20:13 |
| MinceR | provided they really work | Dec 12 20:13 |
| MinceR | and they aren't just a switch processed by the software or something like that :> | Dec 12 20:14 |
| MinceR | a shutter is more obviously engaged | Dec 12 20:14 |
| oiaohm | I said true power cut switch as in a physical switch. | Dec 12 20:14 |
| oiaohm | Some of the shutter ones do have a proper power switch there. | Dec 12 20:14 |
| oiaohm | So you close the shutter magnet moves and the power to the camera goes away. | Dec 12 20:14 |
| oiaohm | Basically there are different grades of shutters. | Dec 12 20:15 |
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| oiaohm | Power cut switch version you normally close the privacy shutter and the camera disappears off USB. | Dec 12 20:16 |
| MinceR | nice | Dec 12 20:16 |
| oiaohm | Does have the advantage of course of saving some battery when the shutters closed. | Dec 12 20:16 |
| oiaohm | Yes it is truly nice. | Dec 12 20:17 |
| MinceR | and the disadvantage of screwing with applications if you just temporarily want to hide your picture :> | Dec 12 20:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes and no. | Dec 12 20:17 |
| oiaohm | Some of those items have a software proxy driver on the camera. | Dec 12 20:18 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 12 20:18 |
| oiaohm | So the disappearing camera to software is fixable from software. | Dec 12 20:18 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/defuse | Dec 12 20:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Defuse | Dec 12 20:19 | |
| oiaohm | There is a little extra stall opening the shutter back up before the camera comes alive in the power cut version with proxy. | Dec 12 20:19 |
| oiaohm | But for security I think its worth it losing like 3 to 4 frames after openning shutter before it starts working. | Dec 12 20:20 |
| oiaohm | It also provides a little opps window of you bumped the shuttter to get it closed before camera in fact works. | Dec 12 20:21 |
| vZS1 | Best way to deactivate a webcam | Dec 12 20:31 |
| vZS1 | Only use USB ones | Dec 12 20:31 |
| vZS1 | Literally unplug | Dec 12 20:32 |
| vZS1 | Job done | Dec 12 20:32 |
| oiaohm | vZS1: there are fun little USB switch items. | Dec 12 20:33 |
| vZS1 | Also, fig, I wasn't saying X is bloat. I meant to say it's a lot better to do a manual X setup. They try to smuggle a lot of things in a graphical install, in the name of "UX". | Dec 12 20:33 |
| vZS1 | And servers have absolutely zero need for an X install on them. | Dec 12 20:34 |
| vZS1 | FreeBSD doesn't install X by default | Dec 12 20:34 |
| vZS1 | I also agree NetBSD is difficult for the non-sysadmin to install. Even new sysadmins will struggle because you need to know a lot about the entire chain of unix components to get a working NetBSD install. But it's worth the hassle, in some cases. More architectures supported, by default. Then again, I think our best bet is to fork OpenBSD with AGPLv3. | Dec 12 20:36 |
| vZS1 | Writing basic device drivers isn't actually that hard. The main struggle is device data sheets. | Dec 12 20:37 |
| vZS1 | Most hardware doesn't did ship with a datasheet and they don't all comply with well-known standards. | Dec 12 20:38 |
| vZS1 | Someone familiar with C-like languages can cobble together basic drivers. | Dec 12 20:38 |
| oiaohm | Its all the odd ball quirks | Dec 12 20:38 |
| vZS1 | They just need to learn a bit about memory management and interrupts. Programming a microcontroller like the Arduino is actually a great way to learn how to do this. | Dec 12 20:39 |
| vZS1 | It's also cheap to learn because you will brick a few devices when you are learning how to program drivers. | Dec 12 20:40 |
| oiaohm | Its scary that about 80 percent of the amdgpu driver is in fact quirks in the Linux kenrel. 1million lines of code with about 800 thousand lines been how to deal with different quirks in different builds of the hardware. | Dec 12 20:40 |
| oiaohm | Making a drivers fairly straight forwards until you have to deal with how many ways someone making the hardware you are trying to control can screw up. | Dec 12 20:40 |
| vZS1 | You can even piggyback off the Linux drivers available and port them to a BSD. A lot if BSD programmers already do this. | Dec 12 20:41 |
| vZS1 | s/a lot if/a lot of/ | Dec 12 20:41 |
| oiaohm | Some drivers can be ported out of Linux to BSD due to being MIT license. | Dec 12 20:41 |
| oiaohm | Not all. | Dec 12 20:41 |
| vZS1 | psydroid: any update on that PGP key? | Dec 12 20:42 |
| kingoffrance | there is tinyx lib i have built on bsds to remote display from headless servers. probably missing many extensions, but so much smaller if thats all you need is x libraries and nothing else so you can run x apps and display elsewhere | Dec 12 20:48 |
| kingoffrance | i really dont think its maintained though | Dec 12 20:49 |
| kingoffrance | would be nice if there was a maintained one that wasnt ancient | Dec 12 20:49 |
| psydroid | vZS1: I have just generated one, how do you want me to make it available to you? | Dec 12 20:55 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20080530 | Dec 12 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4803610) | Dec 12 21:05 | |
| vZS1 | psydroid: did you get the DM? | Dec 12 21:12 |
| psydroid | vZS1, I'm afraid I didn't | Dec 12 21:13 |
| vZS1 | I tried again | Dec 12 21:15 |
| psydroid | Ok, let me try another way | Dec 12 21:16 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I anticipated that IBM would be moving on Fedora first, so that was the part that I got wrong. | Dec 12 21:28 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't make a lot of sense to keep CentOS around as CentOS Stream and then get rid of Fedora, because CentOS Stream is just pre-release updates for RHEL, essentially turning it into a preview version where a lot of small things may go wrong. | Dec 12 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And RHEL has had something like this for interested parties for quite some time, where you can turn on updates that they're proposing, so CentOS Stream probably isn't going to last very long. | Dec 12 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora is where things used to go as soon as they were marked as a stable release upstream and Red Hat wanted to get testers and find major problems in Fedora before they ended up in RHEL. | Dec 12 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When they moved on KDE to get rid of it from RHEL, they said don't worry if you use Fedora because this doesn't change anything for you, but it changed plenty. They have absolutely no incentive to even make sure that KDE on Fedora will work properly because it won't even end up in RHEL in any capacity, and so they've de-prioritized KDE to the point where bugs that would be a blocker on any distribution that cared at | Dec 12 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | all about it just get shipped. | Dec 12 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a pile of packages with no integration at all and nobody doing QA or even looking at the packaging bugs. It was down to two community people and now it's Dieter and a couple of people who are always signed in on Windows and Mac who somehow have packaging permissions. | Dec 12 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it's not even going to be on their main system and nobody is paying them, they're not going to have to deal with those issues on a daily basis and they won't have incentive to fix them even so they won't run into them repeatedly. | Dec 12 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora's base OS makes a lot of changes that only care if GNOME starts up and works as intended. | Dec 12 21:35 |
| MinceR | makes sense though | Dec 12 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Spins have needs, and those needs are unmet. At one point it was down to just one guy packaging Xfce, and before systemd and friends that was all you needed really. | Dec 12 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But with horrible breaking changes all the time and one guy, it's just not going to cut it. | Dec 12 21:36 |
| MinceR | these fedora/systemd/gnome/proprietarydesktop people worship and idolize Backdoors and crapOS, so it makes sense that they'd use those instead of systemd/Linux | Dec 12 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I noticed that Linux is becoming more of the things I was lampooning Windows about. | Dec 12 21:38 |
| psydroid | why don't they try to get hired to work on Backdoors and crapOS then? | Dec 12 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many of them do. Miguel did. | Dec 12 21:39 |
| MinceR | dunno | Dec 12 21:39 |
| psydroid | or is their job ruining systemd/Linux even more than they have already done? | Dec 12 21:39 |
| MinceR | i guess the redmond mafia likes them where they are | Dec 12 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He auditioned for the job by porting .Net to Linux and got rewarded by Microsoft buying his company and he's rich now. | Dec 12 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For nearly two decades we were led to believe that Mono was just there for no particular reason except that there should be a Free implementation of .Net (patent encumbered) and that there was a community (which all stopped making apps when Novell effectively went bankrupt), and then there was their "I am the Senate!" moment when Microsoft finally did buy them and turn them into a product division. | Dec 12 21:41 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20080523 | Dec 12 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4803414) | Dec 12 21:42 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was there all along where Senator Palpatine was grooming people and egging on a fake civil war and paid his accomplices off by killing them when he was finished with the theater they provided. | Dec 12 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nothing particularly original there. I mean, like any work of fiction it draws from things that actually happened. | Dec 12 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Night of the Long Knives. Stuff like that. | Dec 12 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fascists use people and throw them away. Sometimes murdering them if they can get away with it. | Dec 12 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everyone who does business with Microsoft should reference how well that's gone over in the past, almost every single time. | Dec 12 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only thing that would have gone differently had Netscape management accepted Microsoft's offer to license Netscape to put it into Windows is that they would have called THAT Internet Explorer and figured out a way to pay maybe $20,000 for it. | Dec 12 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They kept doing this pea and shell with Spyglass Inc. to get Mosaic, and they said an upfront fee (very small) plus ongoing license fees based on our Internet Explorer revenue. | Dec 12 21:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they came back and said "Well, we're giving it away for free so there's no revenue.". | Dec 12 21:49 |
| MinceR | and they would have ruined netscape instead | Dec 12 21:50 |
| MinceR | setting their idiot "developers" loose on it | Dec 12 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had more than one lawyer tell me what I was doing was ridiculous at one point and asked me why I was certain what I was doing would work. | Dec 12 21:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said I wasn't, but I don't plan for failure. | Dec 12 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you do that, you start figuring out ways it could happen and then it starts depressing you, and you start sabotaging yourself. | Dec 12 21:59 |
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