●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, April 13, 2022 ●● ● Apr 13 [00:00] matey hes not dead he just needs lube [00:00] matey sorry wrong window [00:00] MinceR lol [00:00] TR News "CVE-2021-26726 has been assigned to this vulnerability. A CVSS v3 base score of 8.8 has been calculated" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-102-01 [00:00] bnchs__ matey: sure wrong window [00:01] bnchs__ you know what [00:01] bnchs__ just apply the lube yourself [00:01] TR News CVSS v3 9.0 (!!!)... Wind River VxWorks... and they keep saying this proprietary platform is soooo good for security https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-102-02 [00:01] matey no [00:01] matey thats what the bot is for [00:01] matey this is supposed to be the 21st century, wtf [00:02] TR News "Exploitable remotely" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-102-04 [00:03] bnchs__ matey: have you imagined the bot applying lube [00:03] bnchs__ to itself [00:03] bnchs__ eughhhh [00:03] TR News ASSRocks! Uses chips with NSA back doors. https://linuxgizmos.com/asrock-industrial-release-new-range-of-industrial-motherboards-w-12th-gen-intel-core-processors/ [00:03] Alternative link CloudFlare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/asrock-industrial-release-new-range-of-industrial-motherboards-w-12th-gen-intel-core-processors/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxgizmos.com/asrock-industrial-release-new-range-of-industrial-motherboards-w-12th-gen-intel-core-processors/ [00:04] matey ive been thinking actually [00:04] matey about the techrights business model [00:04] matey its not making any profits right now [00:05] matey and we dont want microsoft to come take it over [00:05] bnchs__ you read my mind [00:05] matey so heres my idea to make it sustainable [00:05] bnchs__ i was thinking about roy's job [00:05] matey okay, so they have remote control adult toys already [00:05] matey im not going into details, everybody knows about them [00:05] bnchs__ yeah???? [00:05] matey and they have teleconferencing robots too [00:05] bnchs__ turn it into a server? [00:05] TR News AMD GPU "open"... blank (no text) until/unless you run proprietary JS on your machine https://gpuopen.com/learn/introducing-hiprt/ [00:05] matey and somehow, no ones put them together yet [00:05] bnchs__ oh no [00:06] matey this is how we all get rich [00:06] bnchs__ "wanking to bunnies" - roy [00:06] bnchs__ i took that out of context [00:07] matey god bless us everyone [00:07] TR News CVSS v3 9.8 (nearly 10!) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-102-05 "a server used to control and communicate with autonomous mobile robots in hospitals" [00:07] bnchs__ describing furry pr0n as "wanking to bunnies" [00:07] matey i think ill get that tatted on my arm in old english lettering [00:07] TR News Data Brokers: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wqn3gR1WTcA Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [00:08] matey "why does it it say 'wanking to bunnies?'" [00:08] matey "i dunno man, thats what it said when i woke up" [00:08] matey "what does it mean?" [00:09] matey "i dont know that either, but i always thought hugh hefner was kind of the shit" [00:09] TR News "Worldline announced it has launched one of the most advanced LINUX-based 4G POS terminal LINURA LP 7220 with highest security protocol, Dual Core Cortex processor and 256MB RAM to enhance in-store digital payments experience in India." https://www.freepressjournal.in/technology/worldline-launches-linura-lp-7220-pos-terminal-in-india [00:09] Alternative link CloudFlare: freepressjournal.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.freepressjournal.in/technology/worldline-launches-linura-lp-7220-pos-terminal-in-india https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.freepressjournal.in/technology/worldline-launches-linura-lp-7220-pos-terminal-in-india [00:10] TR News "pgBadger is a PostgreSQL performance analyzer, built for speed with fully detailed reports based on your PostgreSQL log files." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgbadger-v118-released-2434/ [00:11] bnchs__ does deviantart have art yet? [00:11] matey describing furry <- im pretty sure he was amish at one point [00:11] bnchs__ schestowitz-TR no just porn and furry porn... hahahahaha [00:11] matey possibly through his teens [00:11] bnchs__ haha [00:11] bnchs__ yeah [00:11] bnchs__ site for deviants on drugs [00:11] TR News Amidst Disagreement, elementary co-Founder Quits and Joins Endless OS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162346#comment-33329 [00:11] bnchs__ more catchy than "Wanking to bunnies" [00:12] *bnchs_ (~bnchs_@gx4exr34u37ig.irc) has joined #techrights [00:12] bnchs__ bnchs_, who are you [00:13] matey /me never wanks to actual bunnies, but sometimes the easter candy aisle is a bit exciting [00:13] *bnchs_ has quit (Quit: Quit) [00:13] schestowitz-TR ?? [00:12] bnchs_, who are you [00:13] matey he left [00:13] schestowitz-TR no [00:13] schestowitz-TR unstable connection [00:13] schestowitz-TR around misnight in particular [00:13] bnchs__ no i'm still here [00:14] schestowitz-TR due to FB "live" and stuff [00:14] schestowitz-TR people eating up all the b/w [00:14] bnchs__ another client on my LAN [00:14] TR News NSA back doors https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/12/asrock-4x4-box-5000-series-mini-pc-features-amd-zen-3-ryzen-5000-u-series-processor/ [00:14] Alternative link CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/12/asrock-4x4-box-5000-series-mini-pc-features-amd-zen-3-ryzen-5000-u-series-processor/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/12/asrock-4x4-box-5000-series-mini-pc-features-amd-zen-3-ryzen-5000-u-series-processor/ [00:15] TR News Emulating Raspi2 like hardware with Rasbian in 2022 http://sven.stormbind.net/blog/posts/deb_qemu_rpi2_2022/ [00:15] *bnchs__ is now known as bnchs [00:15] schestowitz-TR some people mentioned my job (not sure who started it) [00:15] schestowitz-TR I start a shift in 45 mins [00:15] schestowitz-TR techrights is a hobby, not a business [00:15] matey we were joking of course [00:15] matey we know its not intended to make money [00:16] schestowitz-TR and quite a few people's thing, many are involved by now [00:16] matey thats half the joke [00:16] schestowitz-TR matey: I just need food and bed [00:16] matey /me doesnt even need a bed [00:16] schestowitz-TR and we buy food less than half price [00:16] bnchs matey: putting a adult toy and a robot together, right? [00:16] matey bnchs: its going to be huge [00:16] matey but not just a robot [00:16] matey TELECONFERENCING [00:16] matey thats the key [00:17] matey skype will wish they thought of it first [00:17] TR News Hardly about Linux at all https://finance.yahoo.com/news/linux-foundation-google-cloud-launch-183000677.html [00:17] Alternative link CloudFlare: yahoo.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://finance.yahoo.com/news/linux-foundation-google-cloud-launch-183000677.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://finance.yahoo.com/news/linux-foundation-google-cloud-launch-183000677.html [00:18] TR News Software patents legitimised in the name of "Linux" https://wraltechwire.com/2022/04/12/in-the-limelight-truist-joins-open-invention-nework/ [00:18] DaemonFC I bought a Bluetooth to FM thing for my car with some fast charging ports. [00:18] DaemonFC $14 vs tearing out the factory deck to replace it with something modern. [00:19] matey ill never sync with your youtube videos, but you should probably watch the road anyway [00:19] TR News Announcing the First Oracle Solaris 11.4 CBE Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163642 [00:19] matey itll [00:19] matey i wont either though [00:21] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO: Industroyer2: Industroyer reloaded | WeLiveSecurity https://www.welivesecurity.com/2022/04/12/industroyer2-industroyer-reloaded/ "Windows executable named 108_100.exe" [00:22] matey when minimalists have a pissing contest [00:22] matey one guy uses a low-flush [00:22] TR News "...the grey window decorations are a JWM theme in this snapshot. But, EasyOS 3.3 also has a light-blue JWM theme. In the above snapshot, everything inside the window is the GTK theme. I modified the 'flat-grey-rounded' theme and created a new GTK3 'EasyBlue' theme." https://bkhome.org/news/202204/easyblue-theme-for-gtk2-and-gtk3.html [00:22] matey this other showoff just needs a bucket [00:22] bnchs matey: low-flush [00:22] bnchs imagine flushing 6 times [00:22] matey and the winner goes outside against a wall [00:22] matey bnchs: i know [00:22] bnchs for a piece of SHIT [00:22] matey i swear they use more water than regular toilets [00:23] matey i think they were invented by someone who has never pooped in their life [00:23] matey so nixon probably [00:23] matey he always seemed like he never had [00:23] matey he just held it in [00:24] TR News Security a Key Benefit of Open Source Enterprise Software https://www.fosslife.org/security-key-benefit-open-source-enterprise-software so try using it, Red Hat http://techrights.org/2022/03/03/state-of-proprietary-software/ [00:25] matey /me wonders how many flushes 2000 flushes is good for if you put it in a low flow toilet [00:26] TR News Not quite what it sounds like... https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/12/introducing-the-arduino-secure-boot/ [00:26] Alternative link CloudFlare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/12/introducing-the-arduino-secure-boot/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/12/introducing-the-arduino-secure-boot/ [00:27] bnchs reminds me of a king of the hill episode [00:27] matey fair play [00:27] bnchs there was a bill that banned regular toilets [00:27] matey ha [00:27] matey i saw that one [00:27] bnchs and replaced them with low-flush toilet [00:27] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #techrights [00:27] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [00:28] matey and there was someone selling regular toilets off a truck [00:28] TR News EasyOS Appearance Tweaks Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163643 [00:28] TR Bot EasyOS Appearance Tweaks | Tux Machines [00:28] matey how would you enforce it though? [00:29] matey toilet inspectors? in the uk they just have have truck drive around and they have a big antenna that can figure it out [00:29] bnchs hashaway attempted to blackmail hank with pictures of his son "stealing" water from a neighbor [00:29] TR News Guess what it runs... https://www.kulr8.com/news/money/lambda-teams-up-with-razer-to-launch-the-world-s-most-powerful-laptop-for-deep/article_ea5e6b2d-eaff-511e-8b45-89965e7e6a16.html [00:29] TR Bot Teams Up With Razer to Launch the Worlds Most Powerful Laptop for Deep Learning | Your Money | kulr8.com [00:29] bnchs and then bribed him with regular toilets [00:29] bnchs he refused them at least [00:30] bnchs hashaway was holding a monopoly on low-flush toilets [00:30] bnchs which reminds me of microsoft [00:31] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [00:32] matey https://techcrunch.com/2007/01/16/microsoft-etoilet-fun-neee/ [00:32] Alternative link CloudFlare: techcrunch.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://techcrunch.com/2007/01/16/microsoft-etoilet-fun-neee/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://techcrunch.com/2007/01/16/microsoft-etoilet-fun-neee/ [00:32] TR Bot eToilet: Fun-neee! TechCrunch [00:32] TR News Outsourced to Microsoft proprietary software = opposite of real security https://www.suse.com/c/safety-ram-protecting-variables-with-ones-complement/ [00:32] Alternative link CloudFlare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/safety-ram-protecting-variables-with-ones-complement/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.suse.com/c/safety-ram-protecting-variables-with-ones-complement/ [00:32] TR Bot RAM: Protecting variables with one's complement | SUSE Communities [00:35] schestowitz-TR matey: lol [00:35] schestowitz-TR bnchs: bill goat has a fetish with toilets [00:35] schestowitz-TR look up "bill says" "toilets" [00:35] matey probably picked it up at a ranch somewhere [00:35] schestowitz-TR he's full of it [00:36] bnchs if this gets me weird results [00:36] matey people like bill gates help create "third world" conditions [00:36] bnchs "Poop is a subject that never goes out of style with comedians" [00:36] bnchs good beginning of bill article [00:36] bnchs POOP [00:36] matey then they want to "give back" by "fixing" them with stupid, elon-musk like ideas [00:37] bnchs bill doors [00:37] bnchs bill windows [00:37] matey and by give back i mean exploit those places even further [00:37] bnchs bill gates [00:37] bnchs bill doors and bill windows [00:38] matey i think its great that there are still some e-toilets without built in cameras [00:38] bnchs matey: "e-toilets without built in cameras" [00:38] bnchs bruh what time did i time travel to [00:38] matey im thinking of getting one instead of a laptop or television [00:40] matey im not even going to connect it to the plumbing, ill just put it where the smart tv was [00:40] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163644 [00:40] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:40] matey "why is there an electronic toilet" [00:40] matey "i couldnt find a computer or screen without a camera" [00:40] matey "oh" [00:41] TR News Security of proprietary crap: "An attacker could exploit one of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/12/citrix-releases-security-updates-sd-wan-products [00:41] TR Bot Citrix Releases Security Updates for SD-WAN Products | CISA [00:41] matey "what os does it run" [00:41] matey "ibm" [00:41] matey "hahaha" [00:41] TR News "The SSH (Secure SHell) protocol is a remote shell protocol that creates a secure channel (by using an encrypted connection), for accessing servers on an insecure network (like the Internet itself)." https://bytexd.com/how-to-connect-to-ssh-without-typing-a-password/ [00:41] Alternative link CloudFlare: bytexd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://bytexd.com/how-to-connect-to-ssh-without-typing-a-password/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://bytexd.com/how-to-connect-to-ssh-without-typing-a-password/ [00:41] TR Bot To Connect to SSH Without Typing a Password - ByteXD [00:42] schestowitz-TR matey: runs bilos [00:43] TR News Halo: The Master Chief Collection broke on Linux and Steam Deck, here's a quick fix | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/halo-the-master-chief-collection-broke-on-linux-and-steam-deck-heres-a-quick-fix/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games [00:43] Alternative link CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/halo-the-master-chief-collection-broke-on-linux-and-steam-deck-heres-a-quick-fix/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/halo-the-master-chief-collection-broke-on-linux-and-steam-deck-heres-a-quick-fix/ [00:43] TR Bot The Master Chief Collection broke on Linux and Steam Deck, here's a quick fix | GamingOnLinux [00:43] bnchs i wonder [00:43] bnchs what happens if you cum into the toilet [00:43] bnchs is it called having sex with a electronic? [00:43] TR News Strategy game 'Old World' comes to Steam and GOG on May 19 with Linux support | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/strategy-game-old-world-comes-to-steam-and-gog-on-may-19-with-linux-support/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games [00:43] Alternative link CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/strategy-game-old-world-comes-to-steam-and-gog-on-may-19-with-linux-support/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/strategy-game-old-world-comes-to-steam-and-gog-on-may-19-with-linux-support/ [00:43] TR Bot game 'Old World' comes to Steam and GOG on May 19 with Linux support | GamingOnLinux [00:44] MinceR (cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/feVDZZP [00:44] TR Bot day tax season dump - Album on Imgur [00:44] Alternative link CloudFlare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://imgur.com/t/cats/feVDZZP https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://imgur.com/t/cats/feVDZZP [00:46] TR News Fedora 36 Beta: The new Adwaita/GTK4 work breaks the world, causes confusion, but the performance is terrific. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/04/12/fedora-36-beta-the-new-adwaita-gtk4-work-breaks-the-world-causes-confusion-but-the-performance-is-terrific/ Source: baronhk [00:46] TR Bot Fedora 36 Beta: The new Adwaita/GTK4 work breaks the world, causes confusion, but the performance is terrific. BaronHK's Rants [00:47] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=avb1XbO0EIs [00:47] TR Bot The Love Toilet - SNL - Invidious [00:49] TR News Firefox 99.0.1 maintenance update released - gHacks Tech News https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/12/firefox-99-0-1-maintenance-update-released/ Source: ghacks [00:49] Alternative link CloudFlare: ghacks.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/12/firefox-99-0-1-maintenance-update-released/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/12/firefox-99-0-1-maintenance-update-released/ [00:49] TR Bot Firefox 99.0.1 maintenance update released - gHacks Tech News [00:51] TR News "Back when I first started using Arch Linux I was usng i3 and now I'm finally trying out Sway which is intended to be a drop in replacement for i3 or i3 gaps over on the Wayland side." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09mQAZAzwJg [00:51] TR Bot https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=09mQAZAzwJg [00:51] TR Bot invidious.osi.kr | First Look At Sway WM: Welcome Home "i3" - Invidious [00:52] TR News Comments like "Chrome is actually open source" and "Google actually owns Odysee." What?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgAAobbb1pY [00:52] TR Bot https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=JgAAobbb1pY [00:52] TR Bot invidio.xamh.de | Fact Checking Common Myths About Open Source Software - Invidious [00:53] TR News Fedora 36 Beta: The new Adwaita/GTK4 work breaks the world, causes confusion, but the performance is terrific. Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163645 [00:53] TR Bot Fedora 36 Beta: The new Adwaita/GTK4 work breaks the world, causes confusion, but the performance is terrific. | Tux Machines [00:54] TR News "In this video, we are looking at EndeavourOS 22.1." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRwzWSEvyg0 [00:54] TR Bot https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=pRwzWSEvyg0 [00:54] TR Bot tube.cthd.icu | EndeavourOS 22.1 Run Through - Invidious [00:55] bnchs jannies [00:55] bnchs fix the bot!! [00:55] bnchs wrong window [00:55] TR News Mozilla Firefox Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163646 [00:55] TR Bot Mozilla Firefox Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:55] *AltLink_edbc (~AltLink_edbc@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [00:57] TR News Intel outsourced to Microsoft proprietary software as usual https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-ControlFlag-1.1-PHP Intel got innfiltrated, scuttled in-house GitLAB http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [00:57] Alternative link CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-ControlFlag-1.1-PHP https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-ControlFlag-1.1-PHP [00:57] TR Bot Updates ControlFlag AI-Driven Project To Spot Possible Bugs In PHP Code - Phoronix [00:57] TR Bot Intel leaks - Techrights [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.56 k/sec., IPFS upstream 81.13 average k/sec., average swarm size 362.50 ● Apr 13 [01:00] TR News Customizing KDE Plasma:#HowTo Edit Panels And Layout - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/videos/customizing-kde-plasma-how-to-edit-panels-and-layout/ Source: TuxDigital | GNU | Linux [01:00] TR Bot KDE Plasma: How To Edit Panels And Layout - TuxDigital [01:01] TR News I Spent 90 Days In openSUSE Tumbleweed, This Is What Happened! - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/videos/i-spent-90-days-in-opensuse-tumbleweed-this-is-what-happened/ Source: TuxDigital | GNU | Linux [01:01] TR Bot Spent 90 Days In openSUSE Tumbleweed, This Is What Happened! - TuxDigital [01:02] TR News "Custom Gtk Cell Renderer in GTK4 GtkComboBox in LibreOffice now working as hoped for" http://caolanm.blogspot.com/2022/04/gtk4-combobox-cell-renderers.html [01:02] TR Bot Caoln McNamara: GTK4: ComboBox Cell Renderers [01:03] TR News How to Run Multiple Linux Distributions Inside the Terminal Using Distrobox https://www.makeuseof.com/run-multiple-linux-distros-inside-terminal-distrobox/ Source: makeuseof [01:03] TR Bot How to Run Multiple Linux Distributions Inside the Terminal Using Distrobox [01:04] matey /me boils tea leaves [01:05] MinceR you forgot the water [01:06] *schestowitz-TR leaves [01:06] MinceR eats, shoots and leaves [01:06] TR News WordPress 6.0 Beta 1 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163647 [01:06] TR Bot WordPress 6.0 Beta 1 | Tux Machines [01:08] XRevan86 Maybe Biden reads what I write here, because he also just called Putin a dictator (: [01:08] TR News Todays Linux Foundation Fluff Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163648 [01:08] TR Bot Today's Linux Foundation Fluff | Tux Machines [01:08] XRevan86 Very wise, very wise. [01:08] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163649 [01:08] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:08] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: unlike Mo bin Salman [01:09] matey MinceR: thats what im boiling them in [01:09] MinceR good [01:09] matey at least for the moment [01:09] XRevan86 schestowitz: What's he saying? [01:10] *salty (~b9dc6546@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has joined #techrights [01:10] matey /me adds milk and boils that too [01:10] *Skywave has quit (connection closed) [01:11] schestowitz I use this http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Winter-in-Manchester/20190217_110636 [01:11] TR Bot 20190217 110636 [01:11] schestowitz we got it 80% off original price at shutdown sale (Clas Olson) [01:11] salty you add milk to tea matey? [01:11] matey /me uses a $2 pan that he got for free, but would have gladly paid $30 for it [01:12] salty how about some honey [01:12] matey you have to add milk to tea [01:12] schestowitz-TR and salt [01:12] salty seawater [01:12] salty *that's [01:13] MinceR no, i don't have to [01:13] AltLink_edbc Tomorrow, Richard Stallman will be speaking about the #freesoftware movement and your freedom. His speech will be nontechnical and admission is gratis. Online at 14:00 EDT (18:00 UTC) https://u.fsf.org/3i- [01:13] TR Bot Richard Stallman: The state of the free software movement Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [01:14] matey unless youre lactose intolerant [01:14] matey or vegan [01:14] matey or just hate milk [01:14] schestowitz-TR soy [01:14] salty 'milk is for the weak' [01:14] matey /me removes the leaves and adds a little more milk to make it less boiling [01:14] schestowitz-TR salty: like salves [01:14] schestowitz-TR calves [01:14] schestowitz-TR and babies [01:14] DaemonFC You [01:14] DaemonFC 257 kWh [01:14] DaemonFC Efficient neighbors [01:14] DaemonFC 480 kWh [01:14] DaemonFC All neighbors [01:14] DaemonFC 879 kWh [01:15] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: haha [01:15] schestowitz-TR but... how many tenants? [01:15] schestowitz-TR needs to be per tenant [01:15] DaemonFC They count similar apartments in the area. [01:15] MinceR https://everything2.com/title/SOY%2521+SOY%2521+SOY%2521+Soy+makes+you+strong%2521+Strength+crushes+enemies%2521+SOY%2521 https://web.archive.org/web/20101011120702/http://everything2.com:80/title/SOY!%20SOY!%20SOY!%20Soy%20makes%20you%20strong!%20Strength%20crushes%20enemies!%20SOY! [01:15] TR Bot ( status 502 @ https://everything2.com/title/SOY%2521+SOY%2521+SOY%2521+Soy+makes+you+strong%2521+Strength+crushes+enemies%2521+SOY%2521 ) [01:15] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20101011120702/http://everything2.com:80/title/SOY!%20SOY!%20SOY!%20Soy%20makes%20you%20strong!%20Strength%20crushes%20enemies!%20SOY ) [01:15] schestowitz-TR and kids typically need heating on [01:16] matey no soy marinero [01:16] matey soy capitan soy capitan [01:16] TR News "I got a bunch of replies with tools I hadnt heard of, so I thought Id make a list here. A lot of people also pointed at the modern-unix list." https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/04/12/a-list-of-new-ish--command-line-tools/ [01:16] Alternative link CloudFlare: jvns.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/04/12/a-list-of-new-ish--command-line-tools/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/04/12/a-list-of-new-ish--command-line-tools/ [01:16] TR Bot A list of new(ish) command line tools [01:17] matey /me wonders how much energy is used by the companies making the smart meters [01:17] matey not just to make the smart meters either [01:17] schestowitz-TR spy meters [01:17] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC ranks low in the CommunistEdison chart [01:18] schestowitz-TR if he falls below 200 they sent in a a SWAT team [01:18] schestowitz-TR *send [01:18] matey because hes obviously tampering with the meter [01:18] matey a capital offense [01:19] TR News "As everyone whos anyone knows, the next Mesa release branchpoint is coming up tomorrow." https://www.supergoodcode.com/branch/ [01:19] TR Bot Branch Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code. [01:19] matey edison of course, wasnt a communist [01:20] matey but he was good buddies with ford, a nazi sympathiser [01:20] MinceR ah, so a national communist? :> [01:20] schestowitz-TR matey: it's a joke about ComEd [01:20] *AltLink_edbc has quit (connection closed) [01:20] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC calls them that [01:20] matey nationalism does horrible things to socialism [01:20] *AltLink_edbc (~AltLink_edbc@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [01:20] matey schestowitz-TR: im pretending i dont get it [01:21] schestowitz-TR AltLink_edbc: later today our time [01:21] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/rms-vs-clownflare/ [01:21] TR Bot Richard Stallman on Why Sites With Clownflare (Cloudflare) Harm Freedom and Human Rights | Techrights [01:21] matey and yet if youd said stalinistedison youd be right on the money [01:22] matey stalin would have fucking loved these things [01:22] TR News Purism wants you yo know it does greenwashing too https://puri.sm/posts/purism-cares-about-environmental-impact/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwashing [01:22] TR Bot Purism Cares about Environmental Impact Purism [01:22] TR Bot Greenwashing - Wikipedia [01:23] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR: im pretending i dont get it [01:23] matey "is there a setting to starve people too?" [01:23] DaemonFC Commonwealth Edison is the official name. [01:24] DaemonFC I call them Communist Edison because the state keeps "bailing them out" with billions of dollars of tax money. [01:24] TR News Whats New in Ubuntu 22.04 Jammy Jellyfish https://www.howtogeek.com/796765/whats-new-in-ubuntu-2204-jammy-jellyfish/ Source: howtogeek [01:24] TR Bot Whats New in Ubuntu 22.04 Jammy Jellyfish [01:24] matey and here i thought it was a reference to con edison [01:24] matey but of course thats ny, not chicago [01:25] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: COMMON wealth [01:25] DaemonFC schestowitz, The dealer told me that they normally upcharge for 0w30 but they just gave me the coupon price for it. [01:25] schestowitz-TR he shares his money with yo [01:25] schestowitz-TR like the Queen of England [01:25] schestowitz-TR the energy is FREE! [01:25] schestowitz-TR communism [01:26] DaemonFC They said they carry 40 gallon drums of 5w30 synthetic, but they only have gallon jugs of 0w30. [01:26] DaemonFC Not many people know to ask for it, I guess. [01:26] matey her majestys a pretty nice girl but she doesnt have a lot to say [01:26] DaemonFC I think GM moved straight from 5w30 down to 0w20 though. [01:26] schestowitz-TR they instruct her not to say much [01:26] DaemonFC So 0w30 at a GM dealer would be an odd thing to ask for. [01:26] matey They said they carry 40 gallon drums of 5w30 synthetic, but they only have gallon jugs of 0w30. <- ooh, is dfc getting synthetic jugs? [01:26] schestowitz-TR or to give nazi salutes [01:27] DaemonFC They said they carry 40 gallon drums of 5w30 synthetic, but they only have gallon jugs of 0w30. <- ooh, is dfc getting synthetic jugs? [01:27] DaemonFC I use synthetic oil in all my cars, even when they're a total beater. [01:27] DaemonFC Once the metal parts give up, your car is finished, and the oil changes don't really cost more since you can get more mileage out of them. [01:27] matey /me checks the clock [01:27] DaemonFC Especially if you use a good oil and air filter and they don't crap it up as fast. [01:28] matey time for neighbour to be a cunt for about an hour (hopefully not more) [01:28] *schestowitz-TR knows magazines about synthetic jugs [01:28] DaemonFC The oil has to suspend particles that make it past the air filter and do not get caught by the oil filter. [01:28] DaemonFC Walmart uses the cheapest of both, so if you use FRAM air filters and CORE TLE oil filters, you cause excessive engine wear. [01:29] matey fortunately wal mart can do an engine overhaul for like $50 [01:29] DaemonFC Because the oil filter is so cheap that the filtration media will collapse and cause contaminated oil to bypass the filter and start circulating. [01:29] TR News Videos: openSUSE Tumbleweed, EndeavourOS 22.1, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163650 [01:29] TR Bot Videos: openSUSE Tumbleweed, EndeavourOS 22.1, and More | Tux Machines [01:30] DaemonFC While the FRAM air filters allow almost 500% more large particles through than the OE AC Delco filters. [01:30] DaemonFC It's a recipe for disaster even if the fuck ups who work back there don't just strip out or cross thread your oil drain bolt and cause a $800 repair. [01:31] DaemonFC Go to the dealer. For God's sake, it's not even more expensive. They have coupons at the dealer! [01:31] DaemonFC Especially if you're like me and you want your car to last a while. [01:31] DaemonFC If you service the powertrain on those old cars, they last forever. [01:31] TR News Firefox finally has a tab management add-on worth using Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163651 [01:31] TR Bot Firefox finally has a tab management add-on worth using | Tux Machines [01:31] DaemonFC I've seen in excess of 700,000 miles on the original powertrain on Crown Victorias. [01:33] DaemonFC The fenders on these GM cars always end up rusting at some point, but that's a yearslong process even here if you take your car to the wash regularly. [01:34] DaemonFC What people do is they get a new car, and a $600-700 payment, can't afford to maintain it, don't take it to the wash, and then it's a rusty pig at like 5-6 years old. [01:34] TR News "The Gemini community is globally very nice and I've really been enjoying the different interaction I had with fellow geminauts over station, tinylogs, gemlog entries or via email (keep emails coming!)." gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/users/adiabatic/scrawlspace/ [01:35] salty https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5656994/ [01:35] TR Bot 'Gemini' (2022) - IMDb [01:36] TR News "The Apache Software Foundation has released a security advisory to address a vulnerability in Struts in the version range 2.0.0 to 2.5.29. An attacker could exploit this vulnerability to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/12/apache-releases-security-advisory-struts-2 [01:36] TR Bot Apache Releases Security Advisory for Struts 2 | CISA [01:36] TR News Linux Kernel: Ksplice and Mesa Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163652 [01:36] TR Bot Linux Kernel: Ksplice and Mesa | Tux Machines [01:36] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eB0aROCl530 [01:36] TR Bot Rose Royce - Car Wash (1976) - Invidious [01:37] *AdmFubar has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:41] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [01:41] TR News IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163653 [01:41] TR Bot IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [01:42] schestowitz-TR salty: that'll 'dilute' mentions of the Realthing [01:43] salty normies do not know what Gemini is (movies vs protocol) [01:43] schestowitz-TR space mission [01:43] schestowitz-TR zodiac sign [01:43] *AdmFubar has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:45] *isak has quit (connection closed) [01:47] TR News Games: Microsoft Breaking Linux and Old World Cines to GNU/Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163654 [01:47] TR Bot Games: Microsoft 'Breaking' Linux and Old World Cines to GNU/Linux | Tux Machines [01:48] matey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leah_Remini [01:48] TR Bot Leah Remini - Wikipedia [01:48] TR News Microsoft Squeezes Charities for Cash Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163655 [01:48] TR Bot Microsoft Squeezes Charities for Cash | Tux Machines [01:48] matey cockney rhyming slang! [01:52] *altlink_c68 has quit (connection closed) [01:52] *AltLink_738 (~AltLink_738@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [01:53] matey pandering to normie straw men is a redmond mind trick anyway [01:54] *salty has quit (Quit: https://mibbit.com Online IRC Client) [01:54] matey only microsoft would imply that its somehow wrong to refer to a program by its own name, while they constantly rebrand their own to reputation wash internet mosaic [01:54] *salty (~5fd6349c@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [01:54] matey "normies dont know what html stands for!" "well who fucking cares about that anyway" [01:55] matey better "html" than "ms-web" [01:55] salty xhtml xml [01:55] matey uck xhtml with a rusty old tractor [01:55] matey fuck too [01:55] salty mhtml mht [01:56] matey normies probably dont even know what www stands for [01:57] DaemonFC I don't get people. [01:57] DaemonFC They buy a $60,000 car and ruin it and then act like nothing just happened. [01:57] matey but thats okay, you dont go to normies for computer advice-- you dont go to a guy leaning out of a pickup truck window for a medical opinion [01:57] DaemonFC but thats okay, you dont go to normies for computer advice-- you dont go to a guy leaning out of a pickup truck window for a medical opinion [01:58] DaemonFC No, you go to the guy who costs $2,000 an hour thanks to Obamacare so you can get your blood pressure meds refilled. [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.40 k/sec., IPFS upstream 49.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 302.05 [01:59] matey when the usa wants to get rid of everyone who knowss about computers, theyll make obamacare for i.t. ● Apr 13 [02:00] matey youll get your computer back in 6 weeks with a formatted drive and the latest version of windows. on your macbook. [02:01] DaemonFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Irvin [02:01] TR Bot Richard C. Irvin - Wikipedia [02:01] DaemonFC I decided who I'll vote for this year for Governor of Illinois. [02:01] *salty has quit (Quit: https://mibbit.com Online IRC Client) [02:01] TR News Well Be Back to Normal Shortly | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/12/back-to-normal-shortly-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/12/back-to-normal-shortly-2/ [02:01] TR Bot Well Be Back to Normal Shortly | Techrights [02:14] bnchs everyone's shitting over the PSN game license expiration [02:14] bnchs i knew this was gonna happen [02:15] matey psn game license <- you need a license to hunt your own playstation in the woods? [02:16] matey when are they in season? [02:16] bnchs this is why i hate digital store [02:17] matey every business is turning into a scam [02:17] matey thanks, open source [02:17] bnchs nopaystation ftw [02:18] MinceR there's at least one digital store without DRM [02:18] TR News Links 12/04/2022: LXQts 1.1.0 Promises and PeaZip 8.6 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/12/peazip-8-6/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/12/peazip-8-6/ [02:18] TR Bot Links 12/04/2022: LXQts 1.1.0 Promises and PeaZip 8.6 | Techrights [02:19] matey p-droid [02:19] TR News Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163656 [02:19] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:19] bnchs my downloaded games haven't gotten expired on me [02:19] TR News Free Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163657 [02:19] TR Bot Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:19] matey /me expects the next playstation to be based on android, even though they use bsd now [02:19] TR News Open Hardware and Devices With GNU/Linux Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163658 [02:20] schestowitz-TR bnchs: fixed [02:20] TR Bot Open Hardware and Devices With GNU/Linux Support | Tux Machines [02:20] schestowitz-TR the "code" bit in gemini proxy [02:20] bnchs also the big joke, it's apparently a date bug in sony's end [02:21] schestowitz 0d9fa03..beb45db master -> origin/master [02:21] schestowitz Updating 0d9fa03..beb45db [02:21] schestowitz Fast-forward [02:21] matey that elusive y2022 bug no one was expecting [02:21] schestowitz Gemini/Gemini-Proxy/gemini-proxy.pl | 16 +++++++++++++--- [02:21] matey 0d9fa03..beb45db main -> origin/main [02:21] matey fixed! [02:24] *gde33 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [02:27] MinceR 13 031943 < matey> /me expects the next playstation to be based on android, even though they use bsd now [02:27] MinceR ouya 2? :> [02:28] matey the hardware side of it should be a bit more impressive [02:28] matey but maybe sony will get silly and just use some old sbc. they did come out with that cd player that wont play standard size cds (no, not minidisc) [02:29] matey ive been boycotting sony for nearly long enough to have a kid and get them into college [02:29] MinceR :> [02:30] matey in fact i recently heard from an old college flame... [02:30] matey i mean that was just before the sony rootkit thing [02:32] matey if ive sired any kids though its like mick jagger or steven tyler though [02:32] matey no ones informed me (and i think its unlikely) [02:32] TR News How to install KGraphEditor on Linux | FOSS Linux https://www.fosslinux.com/58133/kgrapheditor-on-linux.htm Source: fosslinux [02:32] -AltLink_738/#techrights- CloudFlare: fosslinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fosslinux.com/58133/kgrapheditor-on-linux.htm https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.fosslinux.com/58133/kgrapheditor-on-linux.htm [02:32] TR Bot How to install KGraphEditor on Linux | FOSS Linux [02:34] TR News "If you want to test the Gentoo LiveGUI, but don't feel like cutting short the precious uptime of your machine, here's a handy bash script for testing the iso files with qemu..." https://dilfridge.blogspot.com/2022/04/testing-gentoo-livegui-with-qemu.html [02:34] TR Bot the dilfridge blog: Testing the Gentoo LiveGUI with QEmu [02:35] TR News Weve had exceptionally difficult couple of days for technical reasons (issues), hence no articles; but thatll change shortly as we seem to have resolved all these issues (hours ago) http://techrights.org/2022/04/12/back-to-normal-shortly-2/ [02:35] TR Bot Well Be Back to Normal Shortly | Techrights [02:36] *bnchs has quit (connection closed) [02:37] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. 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TotalIn: 2.0 GB TotalOut: 495 MB [03:06] IPFS New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. [03:07] IPFS QmPBJbJsX1TBvg8QRMe1HjeWiLJ1vdE72GnBdqt1JpSxPi [03:07] IPFS New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above. [03:16] *matey (~matey@zj7ff6e5edb5q.irc) has joined #techrights [03:18] matey https://www.fsf.org/live [03:18] TR Bot Live-session Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [03:18] matey Please note that all online participants and interactions are expected to abide by the safe space policy. https://libreplanet.org/2022/safe-space-policy/ [03:19] TR Bot LibrePlanet 2022 Safe space policy [03:19] matey We are broadcasting live, connect with us on IRC at #fsf on Libera.Chat [03:19] matey fsf: we fight for your freedom! [03:19] matey rms: i made the kind guidelines to avoid a coc [03:19] matey lieplanet: hold my beer [03:20] matey https://www.fsf.org/events/rms-20220413-online "Richard Stallman will be speaking about the free software movement and your freedom. His speech will be nontechnical" [03:20] TR Bot Richard Stallman: The state of the free software movement Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [03:20] matey my guess is his speech wont be about the state of free speech in the free software movement [03:21] matey or about how its impossible to have free software without free speech [03:21] MinceR :> [03:21] matey be sure to mention this on liebera.chat, where you certainly wont be shadowbanned for life. [03:21] matey the official chat of the open software foundation. [03:22] matey NO SERIOUSLY, PLEASE RICHARD, PROVE ME WRONG so i can stfu [03:22] matey id love nothing more [03:22] matey people must think i enjoy being right [03:22] matey it fucking sucks [03:23] matey its sucked for like 7 years. hey lucy, im ready to kick the ball now! [03:23] MinceR + [03:24] matey people will have freedom when they stop waiting for the fsf to chew it up like a mama bird and regurgitate it into their little beaks [03:27] matey join us now and share the software https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jAxIJ49uQWY [03:28] TR Bot Mother bird feeding baby birds - Invidious [03:28] matey oh wait, thats not software, its just bugs [03:30] matey im totally in favour of people helping each other with free software [03:30] matey thats a good thing [03:31] matey the fsf is totally in favour of companies taking over that process, so that theyre in control, i mean in charge, i mean so that theyre the ones "helping" us [03:31] MinceR :> [03:31] matey this is at odds with people helping each other [03:32] matey it shouldnt be. i became a fucking libertarian based on the idea that free software could exist and even draw help from companies [03:32] matey and then the fine print manifested itself. [03:32] matey its not that libertarianism is impossible [03:32] matey its just that companies will never want it. [03:32] MinceR just get rid of humans [03:33] matey well, you know roy thinks im the one who throws the baby out with the bathwater [03:33] MinceR or engineer them into something better, something intelligent, something civilized [03:33] matey and youre like "get rid of the whole fucking bathroom!" [03:33] matey or engineer them into something better <- thats seems to be the only viable plan [03:33] matey it all depends what you mean by engineer [03:34] matey im still in favour of getting rid of government [03:34] matey but i only know one way to do it that shows real promise [03:35] matey "get rid of humans" [03:35] matey mr garrison, every year you tell us to get rid of the mexicans humans, and every year we tell you no [03:37] MinceR sounds very much like "yes" to me [03:37] matey rofl [03:37] MinceR with all the steps humans are taking to take themselves out [03:38] *mimorek has quit (Quit: Leaving) [03:38] matey i wouldnt tell anyone to focus only the good stuff [03:38] matey id be the worlds biggest hypocrite then [03:39] MinceR what i mean is genetic engineering and/or possibly cybernetics [03:39] matey but theres nothing wrong with us genetically [03:39] matey and cybernetics are already here [03:39] MinceR there's plenty wrong with us genetically [03:39] matey well i mean [03:39] MinceR like the fact that we're generally defenseless against memetic pathogens [03:40] matey we arent perfect, but efforts to be perfect have historically gone REALLY badly [03:40] MinceR or that most humans end up being too stupid to avoid harming themselves [03:40] matey genetic utopianism is as bad as any other sort of utopianism [03:40] MinceR so we just give up? [03:40] matey i mean progress is the only thing that will save us, so no giving up [03:41] matey but utopianism is just tyranny with REALLY good marketing [03:41] matey and weve been down that road lots of times [03:41] matey so progress is better when it doesnt lead to a utopia [03:41] matey at least so far [03:41] MinceR i think you're referring to a much more crude method used in a misguided way [03:41] matey i mean maybe sometime we will get lucky [03:42] matey maybe the goal of utopia itself is crude? [03:42] matey like first we just agree on what perfection is... oops [03:42] MinceR depends on what a utopia is [03:42] matey of course [03:42] matey i mean christians have been waiting to die and get utopia for ages [03:42] MinceR a society of humans that aren't trying to screw each other over every chance they get, is that utopia? [03:42] matey and while they wait, why not kill a bunch of people over here for not creating that utopia early while they get impatient [03:43] matey a society of humans that aren't trying to screw each other over every chance they get, is that utopia? <- nope [03:43] matey thats just decent people [03:43] MinceR a society of humans that doesn't aim to propel every sociopath into the position of greatest power possible, is that utopia? [03:43] matey nope, thats just fucking sanity [03:43] matey which compared to this, SOUNDS utopian [03:43] MinceR see, that's what needs to be engineered into humans [03:43] matey /me coughs "social engineering" [03:44] matey but even that implies fuckery [03:44] MinceR genetic [03:44] matey why would genes do that? [03:44] MinceR afaik genes do sociopathy [03:44] matey im gonna say no. [03:44] matey i honestly think genes are NOT the main ingredient in sociopathy, and maybe science will prove that wrong [03:45] matey or maybe it has, i think it hasnt. [03:45] MinceR or we could just let humans off themselves and hope earth life figures something out in the 1 billion years it has left [03:45] MinceR (fat chance) [03:45] matey im not going to war with science on this, but i think sociopathy is MOSTLY a nurture issue, not genetic [03:45] matey genes can be a factor of course [03:45] MinceR don't go to war with science. practice science. [03:45] matey and i think genes can produce a sociopath of course [03:45] matey but i think most sociopathy isnt caused by genes, and i think ultimately science will back me up on that [03:46] matey which is a great reason to not be at war with it [03:46] matey when its going to prove you right ultimately [03:46] matey i think nurture is a way bigger factor than nature on this one [03:46] matey and ive sort of been "studying" sociopaths all my life [03:46] matey not formally, not expertly, just otherwise thoroughly [03:47] matey its a problem id like to see solved at least to the point where it doesnt run the fucking world like it does [03:47] matey and if science can do a better job, well jolly good for science [03:47] matey im taking a different approach but im not trying to stop science from doing that [03:48] matey i see a world run by people who manipulate science for selfish reasons and [03:48] matey i doubt theyre eager to cure themselves. [03:48] matey but thats not the only option [03:49] matey in fact i probably would have been content to focus on free software! [03:49] matey but as you can see... the fuckers ruined that too [03:49] MinceR yeah [03:50] matey so its not enough to discover fucking insulin or something [03:50] matey no, you also have to figure out what to do when bayer sends thugs to try to torch your house for it [03:50] matey and so on [03:50] matey if you look at poor lessigs career, its just like that [03:51] matey hes going to terraform a planet so it can have saner copyright laws [03:51] matey thats the only way he can go "up" from the level hes at now [03:51] matey he took it to scotus nearly 20 years ago. hes obviously skipped the united nations as theyre useless [03:52] matey if he kills putin and starts a galactic war, ill be like "thats our lessig" [03:52] matey theres a guy who wouldnt stop ahead of jesus himself to see that copyright law gets reformed [03:52] matey though id be just as happy if we abolished it like the idiotic relic it is [03:53] matey we hardly ever use leeches in medicine anymore [03:53] matey copyleft is alright, but not worth keeping copyright around for (despite what rms and mjg say) [03:54] matey copyleft is a treatment posing as a cure, and its a good treatment if we have nothing else [03:54] mjg59_ Oh I'm in favour of getting rid of copyright even if it means losing copyleft [03:54] matey but keeping copyright around isnt necessarily sane [03:54] mjg59_ I just want people to understand what the consequences are [03:54] matey I'm in favour of getting rid of copyright even if it means losing copyleft <- hey! [03:54] matey yeah i mean patents get people to disclose how things work [03:55] matey if you care about these issues for long enough you pick up the basics [03:55] matey copyleft has merits too [03:55] matey im in favour of a scientific approach to copyleft [03:55] matey no dogma, no sentimentality, just facts and context and research and findings. [03:56] matey historical evidence counts, hypotheses count but arent findings. [03:56] matey ive heard damned good hypotheses for copyleft, even helped spread them. [03:56] matey im not emotionally attached to it. copyleft is a tool for making something happen. if it fails, or costs too much, fuck it. [03:56] mjg59_ But getting rid of copyright would almost certainly involve a shitload more DRM [03:57] mjg59_ It'd just be enforced through contract law rather than copyright [03:57] matey imo drm is propped up mostly through copyright [03:57] matey without things like dmca it would be laughable [03:57] mjg59_ Eventually we'd break the DRM, but it's always going to be an arms race [03:57] matey unless of course, theres some secret black ops extraterrestrial area 51 drm lurking in some quantum computing lab [03:58] matey waiting for a day when copyright is abolished, to show us what REAL copy protection looks like [03:58] matey then i guess we would be really fucked [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.35 k/sec., IPFS upstream 57.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 540.08 [03:59] matey imo if drm worked that well... it wouldnt need bs like dmca propping it up, cutting swaths of "first sale doctrine" out of libraries [03:59] mjg59_ DMCA propping it up means they can spend less money on it [03:59] matey libraries are an arms race too... or they were until about 20 years ago [03:59] matey DMCA propping it up means they can spend less money on it <- fair point [03:59] matey but spending more money on it means we can hurt them more with it [03:59] mjg59_ Yeah, DRM is a thing where everyone loses ● Apr 13 [04:00] matey like software patents [04:00] mjg59_ But people will try to extend an existing business model even in the face of changing circumstances [04:00] matey of course [04:00] matey its just business [04:00] matey oh, sorry iraqi civilians [04:00] matey just business [04:01] matey i was happy to play nice with capitalists until very recently [04:01] matey they went to far, and a quanity became a quality [04:01] matey no more libertarian mr nice guy [04:02] matey you know i actually met mark dice once? [04:02] matey he turned into kind of a dick [04:02] matey i mean i only met him once, he was probably always like that [04:02] matey but seeing him on youtube, damn [04:02] matey what a douche [04:02] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [04:02] matey not like that in person, at least he wasnt [04:03] *activelow (~activelow@rjkzwfr2m827w.irc) has joined #techrights [04:03] matey /me isnt sure how many people know who mark dice is [04:03] MinceR 13 045428 < mjg59_> Oh I'm in favour of getting rid of copyright even if it means losing copyleft [04:03] MinceR same [04:03] MinceR copyleft seems to be losing its teeth anyway [04:03] matey im not one of the people writing a eulogy for copyleft yet [04:04] matey i still think most of the "gotcha last" memes are flimsy [04:04] matey but we will see [04:04] matey im comfortable with permissive and with copyleft [04:04] matey ive written permissive licensed software, public domain software and gpl3 software [04:06] matey however im not sure that kuhns take on copyleft is a good idea [04:06] matey on the one hand, maybe copyleft cant work without it... [04:06] matey on the other hand, maybe copyright trolls can harass you over your own software [04:06] matey but they can do that with permissive too [04:06] matey its really a cultural issue imo as much as a legal one [04:06] matey what culture are we building [04:06] matey the laws will ultimately fit the culture, they always do [04:07] matey if we bow to corporations, we will be ruled by corporate laws [04:07] matey if we reject their shit, we will be ruled less [04:07] matey people think its not that simple, because theres evidence to the contrary [04:07] matey but theres also a lot of evidence that its true [04:08] matey we dont focus on it of course, because the media isnt sympathetic to the people, its own by monopolies [04:08] matey even the tech press is mostly charlatans like roy says [04:08] matey shills [04:08] matey short term gains, long term sellouts [04:09] matey mr microbel and his crates being the most recent most comical example [04:09] matey spamnil still relevant as a bad example [04:09] matey things i dont dispute [04:10] matey unionisation is making progress [04:10] matey i dont hold any illusions about unions being the answer to everything [04:10] matey what typically happens to a union is someone makes it to the top who spends half their time selling out and capitulating [04:10] matey they negotiate between the union members and the businesses [04:11] matey then one day they sell out too much and get their head cut off [04:11] matey or they just get replaced with someone else, and find something else to do with their time [04:11] matey unions provide a push, a first step, a staging area for further progress [04:12] matey but a lot of what happens with them is also bullshit [04:12] matey and they also accomplish things too [04:12] matey theres a lot of unionisation going on in tech that isnt talked about much [04:12] matey huge strides in the past few years [04:12] matey if its not the solution, it counts as a sign [04:13] matey its a big sign of things to come [04:13] matey "big tech" as they say is going to get real opponents [04:13] matey fuck knows when... but for certain [04:14] matey i doubt rms will mention 5% of this today [04:14] matey he has too many people to please, and he actually cares about making people happy now [04:14] matey progress isnt happy business. only opportunists want you to think its all fucking sunshine so they can sell you bs [04:15] matey "i love you all!" lennart poettering actually said this [04:15] matey he should have put up two victory signs like nixon (churchhill?) [04:16] matey i think they still mean the same thing as in the states when the palms are outward :) [04:16] matey "oh, sorry, i did that backwards" [04:20] matey "During the Vietnam War, in the 1960s, the "V sign" with palm outward was widely adopted by the counterculture as a symbol of peace and still today in the United States it is commonly called the "peace sign". Shortly thereafter, it also became a gesture associated with fun used in photographs, especially in East Asia, where the gesture is also associated with cuteness." [04:20] matey asia really is novel as fuck sometimes. [04:21] matey "The more widespread use as a victory sign ("V for Victory"), with the palm outward, was introduced in January 1941 as part of a campaign by the Allies of World War II." [04:22] matey boomers at it [04:22] matey who knew it was invented by boomers [04:22] matey or their parents [04:23] matey i was right, churchill did it too [04:24] matey "By July 1941, the emblematic use of the letter V had spread through occupied Europe. On 19 July, Prime Minister Winston Churchill referred approvingly to the V for Victory campaign in a speech,[36] from which point he started using the V hand sign." [04:24] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights [04:24] matey this is funny [04:24] matey "The Germans could not remove all the signs, so they adopted the V Sign as a German symbol, sometimes adding laurel leaves under it, painting their own V's on walls, vehicles and adding a massive V on the Eiffel Tower." [04:25] matey "ve also changed zee vay ve pronounce vords!" [04:25] matey probably not related [04:36] matey they are really pushing for funding [04:36] matey The FSF runs an advanced, fully free software streaming system. We appreciate your support for infrastructure and initiatives like this live presentation. [04:36] matey Shop GNU Press gear! [04:37] matey "for this talk, richard stallman is wearing a classic fsf logo print polo shirt, available in from our store." [04:38] matey "are you tired of companies that dont respect your freedom? so are we... join us today and give us money so you can hear lots more about joining us and giving us money" [04:39] matey i wouldnt be so hard on them (lies!) except ive seen this sort of thing in actual cults [04:39] matey it starts out about love and humanity and pretty soon its just one long fundraising drive [04:39] matey everythings free, and an invitation to give give give [04:39] matey and you dont have to of course, but if you CARE you WILL give give give [04:40] matey and very quickly you realise that its not about anything except the fundraising [04:40] matey and they really have nothing left to say, because they stopped paying attention to their own cause [04:40] matey im not saying thats whats happened to the fsf [04:41] matey im only saying that for a few years thats the trend ive tried to see something besides [04:41] matey maybe this year! [04:52] matey "How NFTs in Videogames Could Shape the Metaverses Future | WSJ" "Wall Street Journal" [04:52] matey ... [04:52] matey when did the wall street journal get purchased by the history channel? 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You can only make it worse." https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/two-and-a-half-bad-bits | Source: Ted Unangst [08:23] TR Bot two and a half bad bits [08:24] TR News "digital identity, digital signature and e-services" https://news.err.ee/1608562972/estonia-supporting-mongolia-s-digital-transformation | Source: Eesti Rahvusringhling [08:24] TR Bot timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://news.err.ee/1608562972/estonia-supporting-mongolia-s-digital-transformation ) [08:24] TR News "The court acknowledged that there was no evidence that Oberlin participated in drafting the flyer or the student senate resolution." https://www.natlawreview.com/article/ohio-court-appeals-affirms-30-million-libel-verdict-against-oberlin-college | Source: National LawReview US [08:24] TR Bot Ohio Court affirmed $30,000,000 Judgement Against Oberlin College [08:24] TR News "For another, the First Amendment isnt as protective of protest as you might think." https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/colleges-should-pay-heedto-oberlins-costly-libel-case/2022/04/07/04c251fe-b680-11ec-8358-20aa16355fb4_story.html | Source: The Washington Post [08:24] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: washingtonpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/colleges-should-pay-heedto-oberlins-costly-libel-case/2022/04/07/04c251fe-b680-11ec-8358-20aa16355fb4_story.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/colleges-should-pay-heedto-oberlins-costly-libel-case/2022/04/07/04c251fe-b680-11ec-8358-20aa16355fb4_story.html [08:24] TR Bot Colleges Should Pay Heedto Oberlins Costly Libel Case - The Washington Post [08:26] TR News "CNN Plus is reportedly struggling to gain viewers just two weeks out from its launch, according to a report from CNBC." https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/12/23022359/cnn-plus-viewership-rates-streaming-warnermedia | Source: The Verge [08:26] TR Bot CNN Plus is reportedly drawing fewer than 10,000 viewers a day - The Verge [08:26] TR News "The subscription news streaming service, which charges $5.99 a month or $59.99 annually" https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/12/cnn-plus-low-viewership-numbers-warner-bros-discovery.html | Source: CNBC [08:26] TR Bot CNN+ struggles to lure viewers, drawing under 10,000 daily users [08:27] TR News "The fundamental problem with npm is that any package you install has full access to do whatever it wants on your computer. For example, packages can: [...]" https://josephg.com/blog/node-sandbox/ | Source: Seph [08:27] TR Bot Capabilities for Nodejs [08:27] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: josephg.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://josephg.com/blog/node-sandbox/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://josephg.com/blog/node-sandbox/ [08:27] TR News "the issue is now being examined again. The use of biometric data came up again in Parliament in 2021" https://yle.fi/news/3-12401655 | Source: YLE [08:27] TR Bot Ministry considers allowing police to use passport fingerprints in solving crimes | News | Yle Uutiset [08:29] TR News "At some time after March 23, 2022, the threat actor installed wipers across the entire network, multiple substations." https://gru.gq/2022/04/12/i-cant-believe-its-not-cyberwar/ | Source: TheGrugq [08:29] TR Bot I cant believe its not cyberwar [08:29] TR News "Previously some loans came with annual interest of 700-800 percent" https://cphpost.dk/?p=133135 | Source: Copenhagen Post [08:29] TR Bot Business Round-Up: Consumer council chair concerned about loan sharks on Facebook - The Post [08:30] TR News "Twitter investors who sold their shares in the 11 days that Elon Musk was late in notifying financial regulators that hed acquired a considerable stake in the company" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/elon-musk-sued-twitter-investors-over-late-disclosure-1235129366/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter [08:30] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: hollywoodreporter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/elon-musk-sued-twitter-investors-over-late-disclosure-1235129366/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/elon-musk-sued-twitter-investors-over-late-disclosure-1235129366/ [08:30] TR Bot Elon Musk Sued by Twitter Investors Over Late Disclosure The Hollywood Reporter [08:30] TR News "Musk disclosed in an SEC filing on April 4 that he had bought shares representing 9.2 percent of Twitter, making him the largest outside shareholder of the company" https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-lawsuit-twitter-sued-sec-disclosures-rcna24138 | Source: NBC [08:30] TR Bot Elon Musk sued by investor over delayed Twitter filing [08:30] TR News "This may have been particularly pressing for Musk since there seem to be so many legal issues dogging him already, including some related to his large stake in Twitter" https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/12/23021248/elon-musk-twitter-troll-board-seat-fiduciary-vs-fun | Source: The Verge [08:30] TR Bot How Elon Musk got everything he wanted out of Twitter - The Verge [08:35] TR News "Taxi drivers and taxi firms may not now use the Yandex tax app (Yandex Pro) to fulfill orders" https://news.err.ee/1608561205/yandex-ban-begins-in-estonia-on-monday | Source: Eesti Rahvusringhling [08:36] TR Bot Yandex ban begins in Estonia on Monday | News | ERR [08:36] TR News "Headquartered in Washington, D.C., SIA represents 99 per cent of the US semiconductor industry by revenue and nearly two-thirds of non-US chip firms." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/top-us-trade-body-to-help-india-become-global-chip-manufacturing-hub/90802317 | Source: India Times [08:36] TR Bot semiconductor manufacturing: Top US trade body to help India become global chip manufacturing hub, CIO News, ET CIO [08:39] TR News Digital Restrictions (DRM) "Lets start out with the good, the hardware itself, before we tell you why you should almost assuredly avoid it and buy Intel instead, they are still unquestionably safe" https://semiaccurate.com/2022/01/18/amds-new-cpus-may-be-safe-to-deploy/ | Source: SemiAccurate [08:39] TR Bot new CPUs may be safe to deploy - SemiAccurate [08:41] *techrights_guest|32 (~b1e4247b@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [08:42] *techrights_guest|32 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [08:49] schestowitz [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D201.jpg [08:50] TR News "You may think that my tech-skeptical luddite brain would not get sucked into stravas data science gamification. But you would be wrong" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi [08:51] TR News "I'll summarise, as that's the sort of web site that we came to Gemini to avoid." gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-04-13_Hot_dogs_and__.gmi [08:51] TR News "Matto has interesting article about RCS (ancient version control system, from '80s) and keyword expansion in it. I hadn't been aware of such thing. And it's possible also in Git (with some work around)." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi [08:52] TR News My unpopular opinions about programming gemini://envs.net/~ae/gemlog/unpopular-opinions.gmi [08:52] TR News "I've already mentioned this idea on my Mastodon account a while ago, but I feel like it's time to actually start working on it, now that I have very little schoolwork to do." gemini://envs.net/~ae/gemlog/designing-simple-isa.gmi [08:53] TR News "Ed Sheeren has made it onto Techdirts radar many, many times." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/depressing-ed-sheeren-films-songwriting-sessions-due-to-all-the-copyright-suits/ | Source: Techdirt [08:53] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/depressing-ed-sheeren-films-songwriting-sessions-due-to-all-the-copyright-suits/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/depressing-ed-sheeren-films-songwriting-sessions-due-to-all-the-copyright-suits/ [08:53] TR Bot Ed Sheeran Films Songwriting Sessions Due To All The Copyright Suits | Techdirt [08:56] TR News Microsoft patches holes only after they get exploited in the wild, and not only by NSA [08:57] TR News IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/irc-log-120422/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/13/irc-log-120422/ [08:57] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 | Techrights [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.98 k/sec., IPFS upstream 93.70 average k/sec., average swarm size 308.55 ● Apr 13 [09:02] TR News "As Russia has faced a flood of sanctions for its brutal invasion of Ukraine, many telecom companies" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/u-s-eases-off-telecom-sanctions-that-could-encourage-a-russian-splinternet/ | Source: Techdirt [09:02] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/u-s-eases-off-telecom-sanctions-that-could-encourage-a-russian-splinternet/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/u-s-eases-off-telecom-sanctions-that-could-encourage-a-russian-splinternet/ [09:02] TR Bot Eases Off Telecom Sanctions That Could Encourage A Russian Splinternet | Techdirt [09:02] *darwin has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Apr 13 [10:01] TR News "unionizing" https://truthout.org/articles/labor-boards-top-counsel-makes-a-formal-move-to-make-it-easier-to-unionize/ | Source: TruthOut [10:01] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/labor-boards-top-counsel-makes-a-formal-move-to-make-it-easier-to-unionize/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/labor-boards-top-counsel-makes-a-formal-move-to-make-it-easier-to-unionize/ [10:01] TR Bot Labor Boards Top Counsel Makes a Formal Move to Make it Easier to Unionize [10:02] TR News Don't work at SweatshopZone. Don't buy, either. https://truthout.org/articles/nearly-half-of-all-warehouse-injuries-in-2021-happened-at-amazon-warehouses/ | Source: TruthOut [10:02] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/nearly-half-of-all-warehouse-injuries-in-2021-happened-at-amazon-warehouses/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/nearly-half-of-all-warehouse-injuries-in-2021-happened-at-amazon-warehouses/ [10:02] TR Bot Nearly Half of All Warehouse Injuries in 2021 Happened at Amazon Warehouses [10:06] TR News Voting instead of labouring https://truthout.org/articles/democrats-introduce-bill-guaranteeing-workers-paid-time-off-to-vote/ | Source: TruthOut [10:06] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/democrats-introduce-bill-guaranteeing-workers-paid-time-off-to-vote/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/democrats-introduce-bill-guaranteeing-workers-paid-time-off-to-vote/ [10:06] TR Bot Democrats Introduce Bill Guaranteeing Workers Paid Time Off to Vote [10:08] TR News "Chasing the Capitalists and Thieves Who Got Rich While We Got Sick" https://www.democracynow.org/2022/4/12/pandemic_inc_capitalists_pandemic_j_david | Source: Democracy Now [10:08] TR Bot Pandemic, Inc.: J. David McSwane on Chasing Capitalists & Thieves Who Got Rich While We Got Sick | Democracy Now! [10:09] TR News The problem is, ProPublica bagged bribed from one of those who profited from the sickness. ProPublica is taking bribes from Bill Gates, then complains? https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/ [10:09] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/ [10:09] TR Bot While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation [10:15] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@y8gkm2u3m6yjy.irc) has joined #techrights [10:16] schestowitz-TR [10:16] If you look at recent editions of Linux Mint, it requires Restricted Boot [10:16] schestowitz-TR [10:16] to be active if it is to install the proprietary codecs. As far as I know [10:16] schestowitz-TR [10:16] that means they are pushing some kind of DRM with anti-end user lock down [10:16] schestowitz-TR [10:16] and lock in [10:17] TR News "The Allliance for Creativity and Entertainment is trying to find out who's operating the popular pirate streaming site Flixtor." https://torrentfreak.com/ace-targets-flixtor-news-domain-with-a-dmca-subpoena-220412/ | Source: Torrent Freak [10:17] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/ace-targets-flixtor-news-domain-with-a-dmca-subpoena-220412/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/ace-targets-flixtor-news-domain-with-a-dmca-subpoena-220412/ [10:17] TR Bot Targets Flixtor 'News' Domain With a DMCA Subpoena * TorrentFreak [10:17] TR News "GulagTube tenant/hostage 'Omi in a Hellcat' is currently being prosecuted by the United States government for offenses related to his now-defunct pirate IPTV services" https://torrentfreak.com/omi-in-a-hellcat-sued-again-this-time-over-pirate-iptv-brand-reloaded-220412/ | Source: Torrent Freak [10:17] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/omi-in-a-hellcat-sued-again-this-time-over-pirate-iptv-brand-reloaded-220412/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/omi-in-a-hellcat-sued-again-this-time-over-pirate-iptv-brand-reloaded-220412/ [10:17] TR Bot in a Hellcat Sued Again, This Time Over Pirate IPTV Brand 'Reloaded' * TorrentFreak [10:19] *ziraffep has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:22] TR News boycott amazon https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/staggering-analysis-finds-amazons-injury-rate-rose-20-last-year | Source: Common Dreams [10:22] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/staggering-analysis-finds-amazons-injury-rate-rose-20-last-year https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/staggering-analysis-finds-amazons-injury-rate-rose-20-last-year [10:22] TR Bot 'Staggering' Analysis Finds Amazon's Injury Rate Rose 20% Last Year [10:29] TR News iTWire - Over 100 patches issued by Microsoft for April; two zero-days, one exploited https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/over-100-patches-issued-by-microsoft-for-april-two-zero-days,-one-exploited.html Microsoft patches holes only after they get exploited in the wild, and not only by NSA [10:29] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/over-100-patches-issued-by-microsoft-for-april-two-zero-days,-one-exploited.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/over-100-patches-issued-by-microsoft-for-april-two-zero-days,-one-exploited.html [10:29] TR Bot - Over 100 patches issued by Microsoft for April; two zero-days, one exploited [10:31] TR News Amazon (SweatshopZone) needs a boycott https://truthout.org/articles/bernie-sanders-calls-on-amazon-to-sit-down-and-start-negotiating-a-contract/ | Source: TruthOut [10:31] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/bernie-sanders-calls-on-amazon-to-sit-down-and-start-negotiating-a-contract/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/bernie-sanders-calls-on-amazon-to-sit-down-and-start-negotiating-a-contract/ [10:31] TR Bot Bernie Sanders Calls on Amazon to "Sit Down and Start Negotiating a Contract" [10:33] TR News "Like pretty much every other large gathering, the Midwest and East Coast RepRap Festivals had to be put on hold during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/12/warm-up-your-extruders-reprap-festivals-are-back/ | Source: Hackaday [10:33] TR Bot Up Your Extruders, RepRap Festivals Are Back | Hackaday [10:35] matey If you look at recent editions of Linux Mint, it requires Restricted Boot to be active if it is to install the proprietary codecs. [10:35] matey fuck linux mint then [10:36] matey or perhaps it should be called linux digital restrictions mint [10:37] matey or just digital restrictions mint since linux is a brand designed to fuck the user anyway [10:40] *matey has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:42] schestowitz-TR Linux Mint DRM Edition [10:42] schestowitz-TR aka LMDE [10:42] activelow restricted boot? [10:43] activelow https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot [10:43] TR Bot Will your computer's "Secure Boot" turn out to be "Restricted Boot"? Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [10:43] schestowitz-TR it was NEVER about security [10:44] schestowitz-TR when regimes and corporations asy "security" they mean controel [10:44] schestowitz-TR by them oiver you [10:44] activelow same as "secure boot" [10:48] TR News "On January 8, 2020, two days after the January 6 riots at the U.S. Capitol, Twitter banned then-President Trump from the platform, citing a risk of further incitement of violence." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/eff-and-partners-ninth-circuit-court-appeals-retaliatory-investigation-twitter | Source: EFF [10:48] TR Bot EFF and Partners to Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals: Retaliatory Investigation of Twitter Chills First Amendment Rights | Electronic Frontier Foundation [10:49] TR News RaidForums https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/04/raidforums-get-raided-alleged-admin-arrested/ | Source: Krebs On Security [10:49] TR Bot RaidForums Gets Raided, Alleged Admin Arrested Krebs on Security [10:49] TR News Amazon Labor Union https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/sanders-praises-amazon-union-inspiring-national-sweeping-movement | Source: Common Dreams [10:49] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/sanders-praises-amazon-union-inspiring-national-sweeping-movement https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/sanders-praises-amazon-union-inspiring-national-sweeping-movement [10:49] TR Bot Sanders Praises Amazon Union for Inspiring a 'National, Sweeping Movement' [10:53] *matey (~matey@9bsrk9cwiznhk.irc) has joined #techrights [10:53] TR News "In the 1970s, global political and corporate elites had all the information they needed to put the world on a path toward long-term stability" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/12/failure-global-elites-and-what-you-should-do-next | Source: Common Dreams [10:53] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/12/failure-global-elites-and-what-you-should-do-next https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/12/failure-global-elites-and-what-you-should-do-next [10:53] TR Bot Opinion | The Failure of Global Elitesand What You Should Do Next | Richard Heinberg [10:54] matey If you look at recent editions of Linux Mint, it requires Restricted Boot to be active if it is to install the proprietary codecs. [10:54] matey fuck linux mint then [10:54] matey or perhaps it should be called linux digital restrictions mint [10:54] matey or just digital restrictions mint since linux is a brand designed to fuck the user anyway [10:54] schestowitz-TR [10:37] or just digital restrictions mint since linux is a brand designed to fuck the user anyway [10:54] schestowitz-TR [10:42] Linux Mint DRM Edition [10:54] schestowitz-TR [10:42] aka LMDE [10:55] matey yep [10:55] matey bastards [10:55] schestowitz-TR You seem to have lost the connection after you had said the same [10:55] schestowitz-TR [10:21] because the technical attack is a collusion [10:55] schestowitz-TR [10:21] and an attack on culture itself [10:55] schestowitz-TR [10:21] and peopls' ability to controls the means of production and distribuion [10:56] schestowitz-TR [10:23] DMCA and EUCD pre-emptively block that. DMCA makes publication of advice [10:56] schestowitz-TR [10:23] regarding cirumvention, even as simple as base64 or ROT-13, into a major [10:56] schestowitz-TR [10:23] felony with a 5-year jail sentence [10:56] schestowitz-TR [10:23] yes it is most definitely an attack on culture. [10:56] schestowitz-TR [10:23] For a while, when the PP was active, they used to talk about (re-)freeing [10:56] schestowitz-TR [10:23] culture. They are still active in Germany but have shutdown or been [10:56] matey You seem to have lost the connection after you had said the same [10:56] schestowitz-TR [10:23] neutralized in other countries. The US cannot have small parties because [10:56] schestowitz-TR [10:23] of the first past the post voting which ensures two parties and furthermore [10:56] schestowitz-TR [10:24] the funding process ensures that core policies of the two parties overlap. [10:56] matey i went looking in the scrollback to see if it was there [10:56] matey but i guess it hadnt updated yet [10:58] schestowitz-TR gemini:// takes longer to update [10:58] matey oh no wait [10:58] matey hahah [10:58] schestowitz-TR every 5 mins the html is updated [10:58] matey nope its not that, its funnier than that [10:58] schestowitz-TR gemini fetches that html output every 10 [10:58] matey ive excluded myself from my own view of the scrollback :) [10:58] matey thats why it didnt show [10:58] schestowitz-TR so in theory gemini can be up to 15 mins 'behind' [10:58] schestowitz-TR ah, there are programs for it [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 44.96 average k/sec., average swarm size 303.70 [10:59] schestowitz-TR if you don't mean your own irc clients [10:59] schestowitz-TR we wrote some programs to work with curl/wget via the server [10:59] schestowitz-TR even without irc client ● Apr 13 [11:00] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/11/06/reading-concise-irc-logs-of-techrights-in-almost-real-time-from-the-command-line/ [11:00] TR Bot Reading Concise IRC Logs of Techrights in (Almost) Real Time From the Command Line | Techrights [11:00] matey theres a few factors at work here [11:01] matey first, i dont normally exclude myself from the scrollback. the bots are the first to get the axe [11:01] matey i intended it as a one-off but i havent removed the exclusion. normally i realise its there [11:01] matey its normally useful for context [11:01] matey im just up from a nap, so im groggy [11:02] matey im drinking my tea now (non-vegan) [11:02] matey so when i went to see if it had posted, of course my posts werent there because they were removed (by me) [11:03] matey and i thought "mmmuhhh, guess they didnt post" as seen through half-lifted eyelids [11:03] matey either way i decided to repost the shorter version :) [11:03] TR News news deserts and ghost papers. https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/12/stripped-parts-hedge-fund-destroying-us-journalism | Source: Common Dreams [11:03] matey which with this added, isnt shorter anymore [11:03] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/12/stripped-parts-hedge-fund-destroying-us-journalism https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/12/stripped-parts-hedge-fund-destroying-us-journalism [11:03] TR Bot Opinion | 'Stripped for Parts': On the Hedge Fund Destroying US Journalism | Rick Goldsmith [11:04] matey there is of course an entire subcontinent where milk in tea is culturally typical [11:04] matey though even there, its still not vegan [11:04] TR News "The people who have the most interest in influencing the direction of the coverage are weapons-makers" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/new-reporting-details-corporate-medias-war-industry-pundits | Source: Common Dreams [11:04] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/new-reporting-details-corporate-medias-war-industry-pundits https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/12/new-reporting-details-corporate-medias-war-industry-pundits [11:04] TR Bot New Reporting Details Corporate Media's War Industry Pundits [11:05] mjg59_ schestowitz: There's a strong security argument for Secure Boot, and the FSF recognise that. [11:05] matey oh god [11:05] matey well, add it to the reasons the fsf is silly [11:05] mjg59_ Pretty much any technology can be used for ill [11:06] matey maybe rms will mention progress on secure boot in his state of free software talk [11:06] mjg59_ As long as the owner of a device has control over that technology and can use it as they see fit, it's not a threat to freedom [11:06] matey Pretty much any technology can be used for ill <- like cluster munitions [11:06] matey As long as the owner of a device has control over that technology and can use it as they see fit, it's not a threat to freedo <- like cluster munitions [11:06] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@y7jsttnatjcu6.irc) has joined #techrights [11:06] matey "hey johnny, what are you playing with?" [11:06] DaemonFC I need a new serpentine belt. [11:06] matey "oh! its just a toy i found out KABOOM!" [11:07] DaemonFC It was chirping this morning then went away after the car got driven a little. [11:07] DaemonFC Belt fatigue most likely. They can do that from just being 14 years old even if they look okay. [11:07] mjg59_ Well yeah the freedom to use your device as you see fit shouldn't allow that to affect others [11:07] DaemonFC I'll just add that to the list of things to grab today. [11:08] mjg59_ And nor should it be a situation where someone else is able to coerce a previously trustworthy device into harming you [11:08] matey i guess what im saying is that some devices in practice are not really neutral [11:08] DaemonFC Non-Vegan..... [11:08] DaemonFC REAL SHIT *eyes wide open* [11:08] matey daemonfc: with milk [11:08] Techrights-sec not surprise that he digs in deeper with his anti-Freedom stance against [11:08] Techrights-sec regular computing [11:08] Techrights-sec With restricted boot and TPM the end user is cut out of the loop [11:08] Techrights-sec No point arguing with that shill though [11:08] DaemonFC I'm cooking some breakfast sausage biscuits in the air fryer. [11:09] DaemonFC The Jimmy Dean ones really are better than the Walmart brand. [11:09] matey JAMES DEAN [11:09] DaemonFC He was from the next town over to where I lived when I was a kid. [11:09] DaemonFC Fairmount, Indiana [11:09] matey i loved jimmy dean (the sausage, i wasnt familiar with the actor) as a kid [11:09] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@4j9jkcntt88f2.irc) has joined #techrights [11:09] mjg59_ Techrights-sec: How is regular computing inhibited by this? [11:09] DaemonFC My friend's dad was the mayor of Fairmount for like 30 years? [11:09] DaemonFC Something like that. [11:10] matey i dont enjoy pork anymore. i can eat it, but i dont enjoy it [11:10] DaemonFC They kept pulling over my friend's mom for speeding and then letting her go. [11:11] DaemonFC I was with them one morning and then the cop realizes it's her and tells her to have a nice day and asks "How's John doing?". [11:11] TR News Censorship os sceptics of empire https://www.projectcensored.org/big-tech-censorship-with-special-guests-chris-hedges-and-kevin-gosztola/ | Source: Project Censored [11:11] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: projectcensored.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.projectcensored.org/big-tech-censorship-with-special-guests-chris-hedges-and-kevin-gosztola/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.projectcensored.org/big-tech-censorship-with-special-guests-chris-hedges-and-kevin-gosztola/ [11:11] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/big-tech-censorship-with-special-guests-chris-hedges-and-kevin-gosztola/ ) [11:12] DaemonFC I just don't know why anyone would shove Microsoft junk into Linux and take a paycheck for it. [11:12] DaemonFC Like, if you're a really good programmer, then there's other ways to make a paycheck than doing this. [11:13] mjg59_ Techrights-sec: Yo uh could you actually justify your claims here [11:13] DaemonFC mjg59_, "It ain't honest, but it's much!" [11:14] DaemonFC We really need good non-x86 platforms to become widely available which won't implement things like this to begin with, to keep the firmware simple. [11:14] mjg59_ DaemonFC: If what you're asking is "Why would someone ensure that Linux can boot on any machine people buy in the future regardless of what Microsoft do, and with a guarantee that the user can configure their system to run their own bootloader and kernel and OS" then I think the answer is pretty obvious [11:15] DaemonFC If you get the firmware down to where you can drown it in the bathtub, you have less attack surface anyway, and that's something you can take to the bank. [11:15] DaemonFC Not this EFI shit. [11:15] mjg59_ You can implement enough EFI to run Linux in a sufficiently small amount of code that it's already implemented in u-boot [11:16] TR News "Pensions are a form of payment wherein an employee accepts lower wages while working in exchange for a fund that accrues savings for their retirement" https://www.projectcensored.org/wall-street-leverages-working-class-pensions/ | Source: Project Censored [11:16] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: projectcensored.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.projectcensored.org/wall-street-leverages-working-class-pensions/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.projectcensored.org/wall-street-leverages-working-class-pensions/ [11:16] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/wall-street-leverages-working-class-pensions/ ) [11:16] matey /me wants to hear theo say "a TACK SUR FACE" every morning [11:16] mjg59_ EDKII is a *lot* of code and you do not need to be that complicated to meet the spec [11:16] DaemonFC I don't think there should be anything else in a system firmware than the minimum to start the computer and hand over to the OS. [11:17] activelow question is, if Linux/GNU/FSF had sufficient influence to reject EFI entirely, if they wanted to, which is another question. [11:17] DaemonFC The only thing Microsoft, IBM, and Intel have ever proven is that the more code, the bigger the disaster, especially when they write the specs. [11:17] matey "influence" [11:17] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Ok so BIOS was too much firmware? [11:17] matey instagram: @fsf [11:17] mjg59_ activelow: They didn't [11:18] DaemonFC I don't know that the volume of it was too much, but it was not doing things right. Still, it wasn't some hulking monstrosity that managed to incorporate the worst parts of the BIOS in the guise of fixing the BIOS. [11:18] activelow besides, if options remain for developers/users who may want to decide for themselves; it's still possible to fully wipe efi from uboot and linux, for those systems which do not need it [11:18] mjg59_ Yeah Coreboot and Libreboot provide mechanisms for that [11:19] mjg59_ Phew we're saved [11:19] DaemonFC That's like General Motors saying "You know, the 3800 V6 is a good engine. It's served us well for years. We're going to design a new engine that gets 3 mpg more and it's all aluminum and cheap plastic now.". [11:19] TR News "really nice graphics library." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/12/mindblowing-graphics-from-an-attiny85/ | Source: Hackaday [11:19] TR Bot Graphics From An ATtiny85 | Hackaday [11:19] matey i think one of the biggest problems with mjg59s argument is that people dont want something and hes like [11:19] DaemonFC "THIS VEHICLE SAVES YOU $2,000 in fuel over the average new car." [11:19] matey NO, YOU DO [11:19] DaemonFC Sure, and with only $5,000 more in repair bills! [11:20] mjg59_ Oh no I am not like "EVERYONE NEEDS SECURE BOOT" [11:20] matey missing the fact that the industry is foisting tech PEOPLE DONT WANT [11:20] DaemonFC They foist tech I don't want all over the place. [11:20] activelow i am not thinking about x86 anymore; and the options with ARM are limited too; at least the ARM sbc i got here doesn't require any EFI, although it is present by default with images shipped by armbian [11:20] mjg59_ I am "THE INDUSTRY IS DOING THIS AND WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO PREVENT IT" [11:20] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: we'll need to replace the mirror computer [11:20] DaemonFC I am so happy I found a car in good shape that doesn't have all this junk on it. [11:20] activelow so, EFI is creeping into, even when it isn't required [11:20] schestowitz-TR $3000 for parts [11:20] matey They foist tech I don't want all over the place. <- as part of an ongoing trend lasting well over a decade [11:20] schestowitz-TR "when the components arrrive, there's a shortage" [11:20] mjg59_ But I am also "SOME PEOPLE GENUINELY NEED THIS FEATURE, EVEN IF MOST PEOPLE DON'T" [11:21] schestowitz-TR 20 years later: "those components stopped being made 15 years ago! But we have good offer on new cars!" [11:21] mjg59_ And, uh, what was the alternative here? [11:21] matey AND WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO PREVENT IT <- so im imagining that youre being dismissive of efforts to remove it when you say "Yeah Coreboot and Libreboot provide mechanisms for that" "Phew we're saved" [11:21] mjg59_ There was no path to preventing systems shipping with Secure Boot enabled by default [11:21] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I was joking with a salesman yesterday at Chevy. I was mocking Ford. "Oh we don't have an air conditioner computer for your $60,000 car, so here's fifty bucks. Try again next year and we'll see if you can have an air conditioner then. It's all there, but it needs a computer now!". [11:21] activelow and it isn't trivial to wipe EFI, because a developer needs to know what he is doing, including the fact EFI/GPT partitioning scheme is troublesome if initrd is wiped too, which i did [11:22] mjg59_ matey: Everyone should have the right to control the security policy of their system. That includes replacing the firmware. But me saying "Everyone should have that right" doesn't make it magically happen. [11:22] schestowitz-TR the troll is full of it [11:22] schestowitz-TR so much for "social justice" [11:22] schestowitz-TR there was no path to women voting [11:22] schestowitz-TR there was no path to blacks emancipating themselves from their owners [11:22] schestowitz-TR there was no path to making ODF viable [11:23] schestowitz-TR defeatism troll [11:23] matey doesn't make it magically happe <- with the exception of playing a recorder in front of a server, im not aware of anything in free software working "via magic" [11:23] schestowitz-TR anywya, change topic [11:23] schestowitz-TR stop feeding trolls [11:23] mjg59_ schestowitz: What was the alternative path? [11:23] TR News "CNC machines and 3D printers tend to have plenty of cabling which must be neatly managed while the machine moves." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/12/skip-the-shipping-print-your-own-cable-chains/ | Source: Hackaday [11:23] TR Bot The Shipping, Print Your Own Cable Chains | Hackaday [11:24] mjg59_ We ended up with a situation where people can run exactly as much free software as they could before [11:24] matey We ended up with a situation where people can run exactly as much free software as they could before <- you dont realise how that hurts your argument [11:24] matey boycott was an alternative path [11:24] activelow ^ [11:24] TR News There was no other path... https://truthout.org/articles/oklahoma-just-passed-a-near-total-abortion-ban-more-restrictions-may-come-soon/ | Source: TruthOut [11:24] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/oklahoma-just-passed-a-near-total-abortion-ban-more-restrictions-may-come-soon/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/oklahoma-just-passed-a-near-total-abortion-ban-more-restrictions-may-come-soon/ [11:24] TR Bot Oklahoma Just Passed a Near-Total Abortion Ban. More Restrictions May Come Soon. [11:24] mjg59_ We could have chosen a scenario where people would buy computers that couldn't run free software! [11:24] matey we dont know if the size of the boycott was enough to send a message to keep the feature optional [11:25] matey but its the only thing that could have sent that message [11:25] mjg59_ Spoiler it wasn't going to be enough to send that message [11:25] SomeH4x0r what is wrong with abortions, and perhaps killing newborns either? They have no value to anyone. [11:25] matey We could have chosen a scenario where people would buy computers that couldn't run free software! <- again, you seem oblivious to the connection between the goals of the movement and the outcome and how it refutes your circular argument that this shit was necessary [11:25] TR News There's just no other path. Must "support the artists"... https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/desperately-pathetic-copyright-industry-lobbyists-flat-out-lie-to-boost-support-for-the-dumb-smart-copyright-act/ | Source: Techdirt [11:25] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/desperately-pathetic-copyright-industry-lobbyists-flat-out-lie-to-boost-support-for-the-dumb-smart-copyright-act/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/desperately-pathetic-copyright-industry-lobbyists-flat-out-lie-to-boost-support-for-the-dumb-smart-copyright-act/ [11:25] TR Bot Pathetic Copyright Industry Lobbyists Flat Out Lie To Boost Support For The Dumb SMART Copyright Act | Techdirt [11:26] matey granted in an outcome where it wasnt optional, your software would have helped [11:26] matey so as far as adoption goes, i blame red hat for using it more than i blame you for writing it [11:26] mjg59_ matey: The people who produce hardware literally do not give a shit about end-users being able to run Linux on them [11:26] TR News There's' no other path. They must die to learn... https://www.projectcensored.org/highest-prison-death-rates-ever-recorded-are-signs-of-long-standing-structural-issues/ | Source: Project Censored [11:26] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: projectcensored.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.projectcensored.org/highest-prison-death-rates-ever-recorded-are-signs-of-long-standing-structural-issues/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.projectcensored.org/highest-prison-death-rates-ever-recorded-are-signs-of-long-standing-structural-issues/ [11:26] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/highest-prison-death-rates-ever-recorded-are-signs-of-long-standing-structural-issues/ ) [11:26] DaemonFC "Sure, let's all sell our souls to Satan because it's easier that way" [11:26] SomeH4x0r they can't talk or do anything making them any unique so that loss of them is bad for anyone [11:26] SomeH4x0r *is not [11:26] matey matey: The people who produce hardware literally do not give a shit about end-users being able to run Linux on them <- okay, sony doesnt exist [11:27] matey DaemonFC: sony doesnt exist! [11:27] matey *crab rave* [11:27] mjg59_ matey: I spent a *lot* of time talking to the hardware vendors, and they made it clear that blocking anything other than RHEL and SLES would have sufficiently close to $0 on their bottom line that it didn't matter [11:27] matey did you talk to sony? [11:27] TR News There's no other path. We need vigilantes to attack the poor https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/former-hertz-employee-says-company-is-outsourcing-its-collection-efforts-to-law-enforcement/ | Source: Techdirt [11:27] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/former-hertz-employee-says-company-is-outsourcing-its-collection-efforts-to-law-enforcement/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/former-hertz-employee-says-company-is-outsourcing-its-collection-efforts-to-law-enforcement/ [11:27] TR Bot Hertz Employee Says Company Is Outsourcing Its Collection Efforts To Law Enforcement | Techdirt [11:28] mjg59_ matey: Sony stopped making x86 systems in 2014 - they were already insignificant by 2012 [11:28] matey alright [11:28] DaemonFC Let's see. Write NEW code to prevent OS installation. Piss off 3-4% of your users. No impact on sales. [11:28] DaemonFC You'd think with it being a shrinking market for PCs anyway, they'd be smarter than that. [11:28] mjg59_ matey: But yes, I did - I spent a lot of time getting Linux working on Sony systems in 2011. They let me know that they didn't care about Linux on their x86 systems and refused to give me docs for their firmware. [11:29] TR News "If you have a motor and youd like to know where the shaft position is, you are likely to turn to an optical encoder scheme." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/12/hall-effect-module-knows-where-your-motor-is/ | Source: Hackaday [11:29] TR Bot Effect Module Knows Where Your Motor Is | Hackaday [11:30] DaemonFC mjg59_, You'd better believe I'm going to take action against Lenovo again if they do it to something I buy. [11:30] TR News "When examining Twitter, 7amleh found 55 official violations" https://www.projectcensored.org/social-media-censor-palestinian-activists/ | Source: Project Censored [11:30] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: projectcensored.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.projectcensored.org/social-media-censor-palestinian-activists/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.projectcensored.org/social-media-censor-palestinian-activists/ [11:30] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/social-media-censor-palestinian-activists/ ) [11:30] mjg59_ matey: drivers/platform/x86/sony-laptop.c - I wrote the chunk of it that works on modern Sonys [11:30] TR News "Stancil reported on new research by the Groundwork Collaborative that suggested price gouging was rampant in the consolidated market of Americas food industry." https://www.projectcensored.org/corporate-consolidation-causing-record-inflation/ | Source: Project Censored [11:30] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: projectcensored.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.projectcensored.org/corporate-consolidation-causing-record-inflation/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.projectcensored.org/corporate-consolidation-causing-record-inflation/ [11:30] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/corporate-consolidation-causing-record-inflation/ ) [11:30] DaemonFC THey backed away from it after I filed an false and deceptive practices claim against them. [11:30] matey at any rate, if x86 tanks its because of this SORT of thing [11:31] matey firmware they feel a need to foist on us that we dont want [11:31] DaemonFC *a [11:31] DaemonFC Garrett acts like you can't stop them. You can. [11:31] DaemonFC You can enforce the laws of your state against them. [11:31] mjg59_ matey: I'm fine with x86 tanking. I just didn't want to end up in a situation where someone who's bought a random computer before they learned about free software was unable to install free software on it. [11:31] matey cheers dfc [11:32] mjg59_ Making it possible for as many people as possible to install free software seems like a win? [11:32] matey lots of things seem like a win [11:32] DaemonFC So why are you pissed off that Lenovo settled after I filed a complaint of unfair practices? [11:32] matey your win was at odds with a strategy a lot of us wanted [11:32] SomeH4x0r fake free software invaded by corporations [11:32] DaemonFC You act like that's some sort of unfair way to get them to fix the computer, mjg59_ [11:32] matey and red hat was like "fuck hippies, lets patch it" [11:32] SomeH4x0r it is free, except one is unlikely to ever change it [11:33] matey free in license only [11:33] schestowitz-TR matey: there's no red hat [11:33] schestowitz-TR it's gone [11:33] schestowitz-TR it's ICBM [11:33] matey formerly libre openly sleazy software [11:33] schestowitz-TR and you can see the policy change [11:33] mjg59_ Man I did *not* have Red Hat's backing on this [11:33] schestowitz-TR IBM in charge [11:33] DaemonFC mjg59_, I informed them of the problem and they chose to wage a disinformation campaign against me instead. [11:33] schestowitz-TR it didn't take them long to 'take out' Torvalds and others [11:33] schestowitz-TR gave them more leeway and control [11:33] matey matey: there's no red hat <- then what lurks in the bowels of ibms software strategy? [11:33] DaemonFC So I filed a claim with the state government and they opened an investigation. [11:33] mjg59_ My directory sent me a shit-o-gram while I was trying to fix boot issues with hardware vendors [11:34] DaemonFC Lenovo offered to settle very quickly. [11:34] mjg59_ I quit the day I got back as a result [11:34] schestowitz-TR Red Hat at least *tried* to understand and respect *Some* things [11:34] schestowitz-TR while amassing swpats for ICBM [11:34] schestowitz-TR for sale price [11:34] schestowitz-TR Fedora had an actual community [11:34] mjg59_ I had no unique privileges here [11:34] schestowitz-TR it goes banned [11:34] schestowitz-TR for saying what IBM's Miller said [11:34] mjg59_ If anyone wanted to object to what I was doing, they could have done [11:35] DaemonFC mjg59_, Maybe it would be easier to claim unfair practices now, even. Without going into false advertising and malicious conduct and antitrust, you can also clain that lack of OS replacement violates right to repair. [11:35] DaemonFC With a new battery every 5 years, you can keep your laptop going forever, but Windows won't work on it for very long. [11:35] SomeH4x0r Windows 10 works on this decade-old laptop [11:35] TR News "By allowing money to be passed anonymously to 501(c) organizations" https://www.projectcensored.org/new-laws-preventing-dark-money-disclosures-sweep-the-nation/ | Source: Project Censored like http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation [11:35] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: projectcensored.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.projectcensored.org/new-laws-preventing-dark-money-disclosures-sweep-the-nation/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.projectcensored.org/new-laws-preventing-dark-money-disclosures-sweep-the-nation/ [11:35] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/new-laws-preventing-dark-money-disclosures-sweep-the-nation/ ) [11:35] TR Bot Linux Foundation - Techrights [11:35] DaemonFC It bloats up and Microsoft quietly maroons old hardware on some unsupported version. [11:36] DaemonFC Then you can't even get security updates. [11:36] mjg59_ Phew good thing we ensured you don't have to run Windows [11:36] DaemonFC mjg59_, Arguing that being stuck on Windows and unsupported is "securing" the computer. [11:36] DaemonFC :) [11:37] matey the fsfs policy on secure boot was "dont negotiate with terrorists" [11:37] mjg59_ I literally just said the opposite? [11:37] DaemonFC You were saying there were legitimate reasons to lock the storage controller in an undocumented mode at the time. [11:37] DaemonFC Remember that? [11:37] matey and breaking that policy can be argued to have the same problems as doing so [11:37] mjg59_ I was saying there were reasons that were not fundamentally anti-competition to do so [11:37] DaemonFC Claiming it had something to do with power management. It didn't. Power management is an entirely different issue. [11:37] mjg59_ It's like saying that someone who puts an nvidia GPU in a laptop is preventing it from running Linux [11:37] DaemonFC You need to be able to install the OS first. [11:38] DaemonFC Then you worry about perfect power management later on. [11:38] matey I was saying there were reasons that were not fundamentally anti-competition to do so <- maybe you made too much of those reasons in theory, and not enough of reasons in practice [11:38] matey It's like saying that someone who puts an nvidia GPU in a laptop is preventing it from running Linux <- no, putting nvidia on a laptop is just perverse [11:39] DaemonFC Like, it happened so fast after I bought that laptop that power management for the storage controller landed, but with no way to kick it out of "RST" mode then you can't install other operating systems but Windows. [11:39] matey it prevents people from running decent drivers [11:39] mjg59_ matey: I have repeatedly spent time reverse engineering proprietary bullshit so that Linux works on hardware where the vendor doesn't want to support that I promise I understand what's happening here [11:39] DaemonFC So had I not acted, you still wouldn't be able to install another OS. [11:39] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Based on pressure from me, Intel ended up documenting it [11:39] DaemonFC You have to be able to install it or it doesn't even matter what Linux does or does not do with power management. [11:40] DaemonFC And that storage mode adds nothing of value. [11:40] DaemonFC It works fine in AHCI mode. [11:40] mjg59_ Lenovo doesn't give a shit about Linux on Ideapads [11:40] mjg59_ They're not trying to block it [11:40] mjg59_ It just doesn't matter to them [11:40] DaemonFC Well they did! [11:40] DaemonFC And they got what they deserved. [11:40] DaemonFC Having to go back and fix it. [11:40] DaemonFC And a stern warning from the government. [11:41] mjg59_ (Don Draper in elevator meme) I don't think about you at all [11:41] matey mjg59_ just so we are clear [11:41] DaemonFC Having to back out their sabotage code. [11:41] matey you do get that when lenovo "doesnt give a shit about something" that some other company they do business with OFTEN DOES and will give them a reason to do it "their way" regardless, yes? [11:41] DaemonFC That's all that was. It was sabotage. [11:41] DaemonFC Lenovo ACTIVELY sabotaged their computer so you couldn't even try to run "Linux". [11:42] matey and that two companies (one of whom doesnt give a shit about x) are more likely to sabotage the needs/wants of users than one? [11:42] DaemonFC Doesn't matter why. They did sabotage it and they knew what would happen if they did, and they did it anyway. [11:42] mjg59_ matey: If you want to pitch it as "Lenovo chose firmware behaviour in line with Microsoft and Intel's recommendations", sure [11:42] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:42] mjg59_ And if you then want to point out that Intel refused to document the behaviour of their chipset in RST mode, that's also realistic [11:42] matey matey: If you want to pitch it as <- why on earth wouldnt it? its not like "oems capitulating to microsoft pressure" is "just a theory" [11:43] mjg59_ Look the problem here wasn't Microsoft [11:43] mjg59_ The problem was Intel [11:43] matey lol wut [11:43] matey im pretty sure its both [11:43] mjg59_ Intel refused to tell people how their hardware worked [11:43] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [11:43] matey and microsoft had an incentive to push this tech more than anyone [11:43] mjg59_ Intel tied their SATA controller's behaviour into the power management of the CPU [11:44] matey why talk about motives for 20-30 minutes and pretend microsoft (who has all the motive) isnt relevant here? unless its to proves roys accusations as valid? [11:44] mjg59_ matey: We're talking specifically about Intel storage controller behaviour here, not anything Microsoft had direct influence over [11:44] DaemonFC Shit, I need to clean my desk. [11:44] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [11:44] matey not anything Microsoft had direct influence over <- silly me, i live in a dream world where microsoft pushes oems around. [11:44] matey i guess ill get back to my ufo conspiracies. [11:44] DaemonFC It looks like the city dump and I'm missing a flash drive. I don't think it had anything important on it. [11:45] DaemonFC I make 4-5 copies of my important stuff and stash them everywhere. [11:45] mjg59_ If Microsoft only managed this for one model of one OEM then yeah it suggests they didn't have much power there [11:45] mjg59_ If Microsoft had been pushing for this behaviour then it would have been way more widespread [11:45] matey i think youre very detail orinted, which is fine [11:45] matey but sometimes when you focus on that at expense of the big picture, its a bit like reading lennart [11:45] matey who is a much bigger douchebag in my opinion [11:45] DaemonFC If Microsoft had been pushing for this behaviour then it would have been way more widespread [11:45] matey i mean, you actually try to explain [11:45] mjg59_ What we actually had was an Intel chipset that, in one mode, was guaranteed to have good power management if you had drivers for it [11:46] DaemonFC You have to start somewhere. [11:46] matey so credit where credit is due [11:46] DaemonFC Let Lenovo do it and see what the fallout is. [11:46] matey for us this is politics [11:46] matey you make this more about tech [11:46] DaemonFC They're unscrupulous. They'll do it. [11:46] matey thats not inherently a bad thing, but sometimes it doesnt work [11:46] mjg59_ And so for consumer hardware there's an incentive to lock down firmware configuration so someone can't change it in ways that kill their power consumption [11:47] DaemonFC And so for consumer hardware there's an incentive to lock down firmware configuration so someone can't change it in ways that kill their power consumption [11:47] DaemonFC Why can't they just make Windows not be such a colossal piece of shit that it doesn't come with the driver and load it instead of the generic? [11:47] DaemonFC Without resorting to crummy BIOS hacks. [11:48] mjg59_ DaemonFC: That's just not a question Lenovo ask? [11:48] DaemonFC I don't believe for a minute that they couldn't just fix Windows instead of clumsy hacks that fuck everything up. [11:48] DaemonFC But you're right. They tend to operate like that. [11:48] DaemonFC Whatever clumsy hack gets Windows to work right now. [11:48] DaemonFC Then they never fix it if they can possibly avoid doing so. [11:48] mjg59_ matey: We see things through a political lens because that's what we care about. That doesn't mean that everyone else is making decisions based on the same politics. [11:48] matey if we assume good faith (in oems) here, mjg makes plenty of sense [11:49] DaemonFC SuperFish Lenovo had good intentions, mjg59_ says. [11:49] matey why we should assume good faith is another matter (i hardly think we should) [11:49] mjg59_ matey: Lenovo actually does a *lot* of work to improve Linux support on Thinkpads [11:49] DaemonFC Maybe they'll port SuperFish to Linux. [11:49] matey SuperFish Lenovo had good intentions <- national security is everyones job! [11:49] mjg59_ They do nothing on Ideapads because zero corporate customers pay them money to care about that [11:50] matey Maybe they'll port SuperFish to Linux. <- because we have no choice, theyll make it mandatory and if we dont port it we cant LEGALLY run linux! [11:50] DaemonFC mjg59_, Why do you think I moved to a ThinkBook this time where they had detailed instructions and Ubuntu certification? [11:50] DaemonFC I don't use Ubuntu but if it runs Ubuntu it probably runs anything, honestly. [11:50] DaemonFC As long as the kernel and stuff are recent enough. [11:50] mjg59_ So framing it as "Lenovo is hostile to Linux" is obviously untrue - the company as a whole gives zero shits, they'll do whatever is profitable. It's not political. [11:51] matey matey: Lenovo actually does <- lenovo put malware in their firmware to install shit that wouldnt be removed by reinstalling windows [11:51] DaemonFC They didn't do any preloads or certifications back then or if they did, I didn't see it. [11:51] matey lenovo is basically aids imo [11:51] matey i realise that you can turn a lenovo into a great machine for security. i mean the company, not the product. [11:52] mjg59_ matey: Oh yeah Lenovo are dicks! But that doesn't inherently tell us anything about how they feel about Linux [11:52] matey Oh yeah Lenovo are dicks! But that doesn't inherently tell us anything about how they feel about Linux <- you dont see, or wont admit, just how many of your arguments about obtuse compartmentalisation [11:52] matey are about ^ [11:52] DaemonFC You'd think that if increased sales volume was the only measure, they'd at least get out of the way and quit stopping you from trying. [11:53] matey if theyre dicks, its not unreasonable to think maybe "how they feel about linux" is also dickish [11:53] DaemonFC Requires no effort and maybe people will buy your hardware who otherwise wouldn't, and will warn their friends about you. [11:53] mjg59_ If I draw a graph that's got a red bar and a green bar, that's bad for people who are red/green colour blind. That doesn't mean I deliberately chose to ignore them. [11:54] matey right, but when someone puts a red bar over a green bar, and someone says "thats a plus sign" you say NO! its JUST a red bar and a green bar! [11:54] matey even if it has 2 on one side, and 2 = 4 on the other [11:54] DaemonFC I'm going to have the shop look at the pulleys and see if there's anything wrong with those and if there isn't, just put a new Serpentine Belt on there and hopefully that shuts it up. [11:55] DaemonFC There's a little glazing on the belt on visual inspection. It's not the worst belt I've ever seen by far, but it is really old. [11:55] DaemonFC I think it's just rubber rot and now condensation has it squeal and chirp for a minute then when the condensation is gone, it goes away. [11:56] DaemonFC But that's your first sign the belt is old and needs to be replaced before it snaps later and strands you somewhere you really don't want to be at the worst possible time. [11:56] mjg59_ matey: Sometimes Linux not working on a system is purely because they didn't care, not because it was deliberate [11:56] matey theres always going to be someone who goes too far out of their way to make something shit kind-of-work [11:56] DaemonFC Now, mjg59_ would probably argue that something like this is too simple because most of the time it works properly and when it doesn't you just yank one belt off. [11:57] matey is purely because they didn't care, not because it was deliberate <- and heres the thing. i dont care which one it is. [11:57] matey fuck them either way. [11:57] DaemonFC And it's not like going through the entire car looking for the one that's squealing like it used to be, and there's five. [11:57] matey granted, fuck them more if its deliberate [11:57] DaemonFC In some ways, things can improve over the years. [11:58] mjg59_ matey: I draw a distinction between failure through ineptitude and failure through malice [11:58] mjg59_ But I also solidly blame Intel for shipping hardware without documenting how Linux should work with it [11:58] mjg59_ If Intel had their shit together, Lenovo would never have been able to fuck this up [11:59] matey But I also solidly blame Intel <- and we blame intel and microsoft, because microsoft was the one to benefit from this [11:59] matey and seeing that as a "happy accident" just feels fucking naive at this point. [11:59] matey maybe extensive firmware forensics will clear their name [11:59] mjg59_ This wasn't a firmware issue [11:59] matey oh for gods sake :/ ● Apr 13 [12:00] TR News "Weve noted for years that the adtech sector is a convoluted, unregulated hellscape, where consumer data is bought and sold with nothing remotely close to competent oversight." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/john-oliver-tries-to-scare-dc-into-doing-something-about-the-privacy-dumpster-fire-that-is-adtech/ | Source: Techdirt [12:00] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/john-oliver-tries-to-scare-dc-into-doing-something-about-the-privacy-dumpster-fire-that-is-adtech/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/john-oliver-tries-to-scare-dc-into-doing-something-about-the-privacy-dumpster-fire-that-is-adtech/ [12:00] TR Bot Oliver Tries To Scare DC Into Doing Something About The Privacy Dumpster Fire That Is Adtech | Techdirt [12:00] TR News 5 open source tools for developing on the cloud Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163662 [12:00] TR Bot 5 open source tools for developing on the cloud | Tux Machines [12:00] TR News Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to CorelCAD Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163663 [12:00] TR Bot Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to CorelCAD | Tux Machines [12:00] matey whenever something is this complicated, theres either corporations, lies, or lawyers to blame [12:00] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163664 [12:00] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:00] matey too often all three. [12:01] matey fuck all three of them [12:01] mjg59_ Lenovo configured the hardware in a way that Intel supported and that worked with Windows, and there's no strong evidence that they were leaned on to do that [12:01] matey and there's no strong evidence that they were leaned on to do that <- other than its been microsofts m.o. for literally decades [12:01] matey and they benefit directly [12:02] matey but before we hang them for it i suppose we should be sure [12:02] matey or... [12:02] matey we could say that enough is enough is enouguh [12:02] mjg59_ Sure maybe it was a conspiracy but we don't actually have evidence that supports that [12:02] matey and be done with these fucks [12:02] matey i think you missed your calling and should have become a lawyer really [12:03] mjg59_ And we don't have a path to evidence because Ryan did some random legal bullshit that precluded discovery [12:03] mjg59_ So strong work if that was the avenue we were going to take it's gone now [12:03] matey i see double standards everywhere here [12:04] matey bias in favour of treating microsoft with a blank slate, rather than decades of experience [12:04] mjg59_ "We were told to make a machine that booted Windows and had functioning C8 CPU states" is something that would get you to this point [12:04] matey THIS TIME it wasnt their fault [12:04] mjg59_ Yeah this time I blame Intel [12:04] mjg59_ I promise I don't favour Microsoft over Intel [12:04] matey i believe that [12:05] matey but i also think this is obtuse [12:05] mjg59_ If Intel had documented their hardware this wouldn't have happened [12:05] mjg59_ Whatever Microsoft wanted or didn't want [12:05] matey they gave microsoft a huge present wrapped in a shiny bow [12:05] matey maybe they were trying to get them into bed again [12:05] matey "we got you a present!" [12:05] activelow 8 idle states, what a nonsense [12:06] matey microsoft: "oh, intel! you shouldnt have!" [12:06] mjg59_ This feature had actually been there for a couple of generations already [12:06] mjg59_ It just didn't have as strong an impact on power management until Sandy Bridge [12:06] activelow wiped the c-state handling from kernel, with both x86 and the arm sbc [12:06] matey sleeper cell features :) [12:06] mjg59_ Where the U series CPUs suddenly had CPU power management tied to SATA power management [12:07] mjg59_ activelow: Well, you're going to have a bad time [12:08] mjg59_ Intel even tried to argue that operating those CPUs without proper OS config could violate warranty [12:08] mjg59_ Without telling anyone what the proper OS config was [12:09] mjg59_ And, uh, fuck that [12:09] activelow the old phenom2 box remains powered off anyway; and with the ARM SBCs the c-states aren't relevant, roughly 150MW difference at idle [12:09] mjg59_ If Intel had documented it, Linux would have worked ust fine [12:09] activelow besided, ARM PSCI is awful too [12:10] mjg59_ So it'd involve a conspiracy between Microsoft and Intel to choose something that Linux didn't support [12:10] mjg59_ So yeah ineptitude feels more realistic here [12:10] mjg59_ Anyway I'm going to bed [12:10] activelow gn [12:11] matey /me ignores the entire history of windows and intel creating beautiful antitrust together [12:11] matey NOW IT MAKES SENSE! [12:12] activelow ACPI, c-states, p-states, crap [12:13] matey he should have gone into astronomy instead of law [12:13] activelow he is not responsible for the crap IBM Wintel do [12:13] matey then maybe if he saw a region of space with no light whatsoever, instead of thinking "oh, there must be a spot where they universe doesnt exist" [12:14] matey he would do like the rest of us and realise there was a giant SUCKING FORCE with incredible mass there [12:15] matey "NO COLLUSION!"-- trump mjg [12:16] matey so what happened was intel and microsoft [12:16] matey "MICROSOFT WAS INNOCENT!" [12:16] matey ill never believe it [12:17] matey its just too far-fetched. but creationists show you can find evidence for fucking nearly anything [12:17] matey its up to whatever to weigh that against what else we know [12:17] TR News "Highlights links in the terminal, renders unicode and so on." https://terminalroot.com/darktile-a-gpu-rendered-terminal/ [12:17] TR Bot Darktile - A GPU-rendered terminal [12:18] TR News iWave Systems unveils AEC-grade Solderable System on Module for automotive applications Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163665 [12:18] TR Bot iWave Systems unveils AEC-grade Solderable System on Module for automotive applications | Tux Machines [12:18] matey and we know a lot about microsoft [12:18] matey over a long, long period of time [12:19] matey of course if someone spends 30 years lying to you [12:19] matey going to the ends of the earth to defend them makes very little sense [12:20] matey maybe this time its true! okay, so dont spend 30 years destroying your credibility [12:21] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [12:21] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XQJ4v8QkEAw [12:21] TR Bot Frank's 2000" TV - Invidious [12:22] matey secure boot is like a billion dollars showing up in microsofts bank account [12:22] matey and microsoft is like "we swear, we have no fucking idea how it got there" [12:22] matey maybe they dont. but its like the millionth time this has happened [12:23] matey and no one else gets this absurd level of trust applied to them [12:23] matey THIS TIME, we got fucked by microsoft, but at least this time they just tripped and their dick fell into us [12:24] matey intel pushed them [12:24] matey what were they supposed to do [12:25] TR News Don't use Git in Windows. Heck, do not use Windows for anything. https://lwn.net/Articles/891112/ [12:25] TR Bot security fixes released [LWN.net] [12:26] matey and it was ONLY ON ONE PLATFORM! [12:26] matey or just x86 and arm (on arm it was mandatory) [12:26] matey just the one platform microsoft typically runs on. ONLY THAT platform [12:26] matey i think that pretty much settles it. [12:26] matey :P [12:28] matey but i think its extraordinary [12:30] matey looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, spews duck shit all over the place, surprise! its an octopus [12:32] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [12:32] matey its a very rare breed of duck-billed octopus with webbed feet no one has seen until now [12:32] matey and its missing 6 of its legs. i guess we should feel bad for it [12:36] matey (octopus) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=sTUmSMTB5Po [12:36] TR Bot Duck poop in public - Invidious [12:37] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163666 [12:37] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [12:39] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [12:39] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KtK5XwdCeL4 [12:39] TR Bot Chaozhou Style Brewing of Duck Shit Fragrance Dancong Oolong - Invidious [12:40] matey our marketing people want to call it "poolong" but china wont let us [12:42] matey tyler durden: we sell them their own fat as soap! [12:43] matey people making tea and coffee with animal shit: hold my beer [12:44] TR News Links 13/04/2022: Darktile, KGraphEditor, and More | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/darktile-kgrapheditor-and-more/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/13/darktile-kgrapheditor-and-more/ [12:44] TR Bot Links 13/04/2022: Darktile, KGraphEditor, and More | Techrights [12:50] matey daemonfc: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NwtncUWXxoQ [12:51] TR Bot Babylon 5 "Intersections In Real Time" - Invidious [12:52] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163667 [12:52] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:53] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=fFDOeuLM3m0 [12:53] TR Bot How many Lights are there? - Invidious [12:53] TR News Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163668 [12:53] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:54] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:54] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163669 [12:54] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [12:55] TR News "The first of these is already the law; the second will be in the Queen's Speech in a few weeks. In parallel, there is controversial legislation before Parliament concerning building safety." gemini://gemini.ucant.org/gemlog/2022-04-13_leasehold_reform.gmi [12:56] TR News Github shenanigans gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/04/12.1 Microsoft "Github decided several months ago to depcrecate support for `git:` URL (Uniform Resource Locator)s [5] and guess what I'm using?" [12:57] matey cardassia seems to be built in the image of stalinism in this scene (ive seen lots of ds9 but paid very little attention to cardassian politics) [12:58] schestowitz-TR for saying what IBM's Miller said[12:39] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- yewtu.be | Chaozhou Style Brewing of Duck Shit Fragrance Dancong Oolong - Invidious [12:58] schestowitz-TR lol wtf [12:59] matey 8lol wtf <- youll have to be more specific :) ● Apr 13 [13:00] TR News OK, I think now, at last, Techrights can do articles again. Lots of catching up needed to be done after 3 pretty big incidents. [13:00] matey thats a plotline of star trek tng directly ripped off from orwell [13:00] schestowitz-TR So what proportion of the cost if the shit? [13:00] matey oh [13:00] matey lol [13:01] schestowitz-TR some "livestock" shit is used to feed fish in pools [13:01] matey so iuve heard of cat shit coffee [13:01] schestowitz-TR there's your "food supply" [13:01] matey its incredibly expensive [13:01] schestowitz-TR food chain [13:01] schestowitz-TR human eat shit [13:01] schestowitz-TR via other animals' bodies [13:01] matey but duck shit tea i didnt hear about until today [13:01] schestowitz-TR "what are you eating?" [13:01] schestowitz-TR "chicken shit" [13:01] matey its certainly not vegan [13:01] schestowitz-TR "but what's fish" [13:02] schestowitz-TR "yes, but it was eating part of the chicken.. from the back end" [13:02] matey most people eat shit when they eat prawns [13:02] matey you can see the little line [13:02] matey i think its gross [13:02] schestowitz-TR or cow intestines [13:02] schestowitz-TR AFTER washing it [13:02] matey my delicate sensibilities about not eating a (full) intestinal tract [13:03] schestowitz-TR or brains [13:03] schestowitz-TR someone else will buy it [13:03] matey let them [13:03] schestowitz-TR iirc, in morocco is's a luxury item [13:03] schestowitz-TR "mmmmmm... braaaaainnzzz" [13:03] matey oh yeah [13:04] matey stuff thats fucking disgusting and so expensive [13:05] matey i really dont eat animals unless they have wings (or sometimes fins) [13:10] *matey has quit (connection closed) [13:11] *bnchs (~bnchs@w78azikku2zhn.irc) has joined #techrights [13:18] *matey (~matey@pyp4jymqza7dw.irc) has joined #techrights [13:18] schestowitz-TR gm, bnchs [13:18] schestowitz-TR afternoon rather [13:18] matey today should be a glorious day for bullshit [13:19] schestowitz-TR we made further fixes to the proxy [13:19] schestowitz-TR it now renders code OK [13:19] matey afternoon rather <- if its afternoon we can have corned beef! [13:19] schestowitz https://gemini.techrights.org/proxy?url=gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/ [13:19] matey /me doesnt like corned beef, but hasnt starved for 2 days in a very long time [13:19] TR Bot reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version. ( status 0 @ https://gemini.techrights.org/proxy?url=gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/ ) [13:20] matey and then it was voluntary [13:20] schestowitz-TR prices of food have gone up a lot [13:20] schestowitz-TR moments ago I revisited an article about 11.9% inflation in NL [13:20] matey oatmeal is good stuff [13:20] schestowitz-TR in one year [13:20] matey isnt that hyperinflation? (i only assume) [13:20] schestowitz-TR wait [13:21] schestowitz-TR good question here [13:21] schestowitz-TR what IS hyperinflation [13:21] schestowitz-TR I don't think there is s formal definition [13:21] schestowitz-TR but ad hoc [13:21] schestowitz-TR how much inflation would pass muster? [13:21] matey hyperinflation: what happened to esr (first his ego, then him) [13:21] matey admittedly i dont normally do jokes about obesity [13:21] schestowitz-TR putting it bluntly [13:22] schestowitz-TR he was going well [13:22] schestowitz-TR went on movies, sold books [13:22] schestowitz-TR OSI was changing from within [13:22] schestowitz-TR then ejected him [13:22] schestowitz-TR by that point he was morbidly obese and unhealthy, very poor [13:22] matey i put a great deal of weight on that 1999 letter [13:22] schestowitz-TR running gofundme's for his medical bills [13:22] matey then again, so would esr (fat jokes are too easy) [13:23] schestowitz-TR and then his blog collapsed [13:23] schestowitz-TR so he could not raise money, either [13:23] matey under its own weight [13:23] matey but seriously [13:23] matey to me the most important part of osis history was perens resigning in 1999 (im aware that hes gone back at least once, likely more) [13:24] schestowitz-TR long story short, he has not been doing well this past year and mostly vanished [13:24] matey /me skips this one [13:24] bnchs "Peer reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version." [13:24] matey again, the jokes are too easy [13:24] bnchs when your bot forces CA-signed certs [13:24] schestowitz-TR a few years ago esr was still involved in change management decisions [13:24] schestowitz-TR mercurial was it? [13:24] schestowitz-TR moving gcc away? [13:25] schestowitz-TR bnchs: yes, ignore those [13:25] schestowitz-TR it's VERY good certy [13:25] schestowitz-TR took like 10 minutes to generate it [13:25] schestowitz-TR *cert [13:25] bnchs whats the SHA256 fingerprint [13:26] schestowitz-TR I'd have to check at the back end [13:26] schestowitz-TR you can see the public one [13:26] schestowitz-TR so can I [13:26] schestowitz-TR unless your ISP is MiTM /us/! [13:26] schestowitz-TR *MitM [13:26] bnchs lol they MiTM all the time [13:26] matey in soviet russia, they have middle in the man attacks [13:26] bnchs i get HTTP-only warnings for sites that have HTTPS [13:27] schestowitz-TR (a bunch of techs telling in French... zis!! zis jemini proxiiii... we need to intercept zat"| [13:27] matey gemini cricket [13:27] schestowitz-TR jemini [13:27] schestowitz-TR jemeenee [13:28] matey and i hope you like gemin too [13:28] schestowitz https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini [13:28] TR Bot Gemini Wikipdia [13:28] schestowitz https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmini_(film,_2002) [13:28] TR Bot Gmini (film, 2002) Wikipdia [13:29] schestowitz-TR is the talk 2pm boston time? [13:29] schestowitz-TR rms is in boston still, right? [13:29] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oqVy6eRXc7Q [13:29] TR Bot Bob Marley & The Wailers - Jamming (Official Music Video) - Invidious [13:29] *schestowitz-TR checks if we can re-steam/embed [13:29] matey i mean the fsf is still in that area [13:29] schestowitz https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmini_(film,_2002) [13:29] matey the talk is 2pm boston time [13:29] schestowitz https://stallman.org/talks.html [13:29] TR Bot Talks - Richard Stallman [13:29] matey eastern time zone is fucking huge [13:30] schestowitz-TR matey: was he not escorted out of new england? [13:30] schestowitz-TR like john mcafee or something? [13:30] matey was he not escorted out of new england? <- i assume youre joking [13:30] schestowitz " [13:30] schestowitz Title: The State of the Free Software Movement [13:30] schestowitz Richard Stallman will be speaking about the free software movement and your freedom. His speech will be nontechnical, admission is gratis, and the public is encouraged to attend online. [13:30] schestowitz Online at fsf.org/live [13:30] schestowitz " [13:30] schestowitz "Please note that all online participants and interactions are expected to abide by the safe space policy." [13:31] schestowitz They use the term "Safe space" [13:31] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [13:31] schestowitz that's good [13:31] matey theyre using lieplanets safe space policy [13:31] schestowitz nobody wants explosives going on while he speaks [13:31] schestowitz they need to hire some doorman [13:31] schestowitz Please note that all online participants and interactions are expected to abide by the safe space policy. [13:31] matey maybe they should refer to the kind guidelines as the "kind of" guidelines [13:31] schestowitz-TR hey, here is a question [13:32] schestowitz-TR RMS was disrupting talks at AMD events [13:32] matey the coc avoidance policy that doesnt avoid a coc [13:32] schestowitz-TR among others sitins and posters [13:32] schestowitz-TR what if you want to do that at libreplanet [13:32] matey sort of like their stances on github and secure boot [13:32] schestowitz-TR what would happen? [13:32] matey do what at lieplanet? [13:33] schestowitz-TR stage a protest [13:33] schestowitz-TR not that I suggest that [13:33] schestowitz-TR would the "safe space" policy cover it? [13:33] matey i would recommend protesting outside [13:33] schestowitz-TR like if FSF gave an award to something really bad? [13:33] schestowitz-TR and you wanted to object [13:33] matey "if" [13:34] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:34] matey there was a time i considered protesting outside lieplanet [13:34] matey but protests should ideally be aimed at changing something [13:34] matey and i think its too late [13:34] schestowitz-TR macia wilbut protested against LF [13:34] schestowitz-TR in their event [13:35] matey shes awesome [13:35] schestowitz-TR the hotal canceled her booking/reservation/room iirc [13:35] schestowitz-TR *wilbur [13:35] schestowitz-TR we have photos [13:35] schestowitz-TR hang on.. [13:35] matey the hotal canceled her booking/reservation/room <- how does that even happen? [13:35] matey also what hotel, so i can avoid ever doing business with them again [13:36] matey (as much as possible) [13:37] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/08/29/linux-foundation-swag/ [13:37] TR Bot Linux Foundation Swag, Corrected Edition | Techrights [13:37] matey does it mention which hotel? [13:38] schestowitz-TR maybe [13:38] schestowitz-TR I forgot [13:38] schestowitz-TR some expensive one [13:38] matey /me checks to see if his text copy has that one [13:38] schestowitz-TR like radisson or hilton [13:38] schestowitz-TR to keep the "smelly hippies" out [13:38] psydruid why would rms disrupt talks at AMD events? [13:38] matey yep i already have a copy [13:39] schestowitz-TR psydruid: wait.. [13:39] matey oh jono bacon [13:39] psydruid I'm not a fan of AMD, but I would rather replace them completely [13:40] schestowitz-TR oh [13:40] schestowitz-TR ati [13:40] schestowitz https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html [13:40] TR Bot Protest against ATI nearly led to the arrest of RMS Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [13:40] psydruid if they go out of business, that's just collateral damage [13:40] matey t Starbucksno one knows who jono is lolmaybeif you pay him 3k.he'd tweet about you lmao. crashing lf event.hotel cancelled my reservationbut I booked again through third party. [13:40] schestowitz https://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/cat/richard-stallman/page/16 [13:40] TR Bot richard stallman Page 16 Everybody loves Eric Raymond [13:41] matey no mention of which hotel [13:41] matey pity [13:41] matey but also theres no clarification WHY they cancelled either [13:42] schestowitz-TR maybe she did not use a "mac" [13:42] matey :) [13:43] schestowitz-TR "unauthorised" software with not secure "boot" or any kind [13:43] matey today should be a glorious day for bullshit [13:43] schestowitz-TR that's against a "safe space policy [13:43] schestowitz-TR mac also needs to scan all your files [13:43] matey with stallman giving a talk moderated by an openly anti-stallman irc network [13:43] schestowitz-TR in case there's pedo pr0n in it [13:43] matey subject to lieplanet policies even when they didnt invite him to their own event [13:43] schestowitz-TR LF: WE are the KINGS of diversity [13:43] schestowitz-TR (LF cancels asian lady..) [13:43] matey lieplanet: youre not invited [13:43] matey rms: ill do my own talk [13:44] matey lieplanet: youll have to use our policy for your own talk [13:44] schestowitz-TR "we'll do it live!" [13:44] schestowitz-TR "fsck it" [13:44] matey its not the fsf, its the lieplanet software foundation [13:44] matey the full name of the talk is [13:44] schestowitz-TR a month ago I jokes to myself about submitting a talk to libreplanet 2013 [13:44] schestowitz-TR *2023 [13:44] schestowitz-TR about an intentionally difficult subject [13:44] schestowitz-TR they didn't want to give lxo a slot [13:45] matey the safe state of free software as allowed by the lieplanet code of conduct which may eject rms from his own talk at any time [13:45] schestowitz-TR worrying he'd go off script and - gasp - mention rms [13:45] matey i hope rms isnt foolish enough to mention himself at this talk [13:45] schestowitz-TR my talk proposals for libreplanet 2023 [13:45] matey that wouldnt make it a safe space [13:45] schestowitz-TR "how code of conduct can backfire" [13:45] matey no safe space for free speech-- thats reversism and gnome is watching you [13:45] schestowitz-TR "how the media assassinations free software hackers" [13:46] matey i think the code of conduct frontfires [13:46] matey its like saying windows has a backdoor [13:46] schestowitz-TR "the threats of corporations to communities" [13:46] matey windows is a front door [13:46] schestowitz-TR and so on.. [13:46] schestowitz-TR windows is a doormat [13:46] schestowitz-TR for nsa [13:46] schestowitz-TR it's a doroMATT [13:46] matey THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS! [13:47] schestowitz "Inflation is at an all-time high since the euro was launched in 1997. It is not a mere indicator anymore; it is here to hurt. The inflation index published by Eurostat for March 2022 is 7.5% for the eurozone and 11.9% for The Netherlands when compared with prices a year before on March 2021. And still growing. The trend stays worrying upwards, with no visible signs of a stabilisation, let alone a downward trend. In fact, the problem of inflation [13:47] schestowitz is that once established in the economy it hardly finds a downward trend. We all maybe remember efforts of European economies in the late 80s to reduce inflation levels, during a period of both long-term inflation and economic stagnation, called stagflation." [13:47] schestowitz stagflation [13:47] schestowitz I like it [13:47] schestowitz good think we just buy discounted [13:47] schestowitz we'll breeze right through it [13:47] schestowitz but travel is also expensive [13:47] schestowitz of, wait [13:48] schestowitz we can avoid that [13:48] schestowitz energy? well, that's a tough one [13:48] schestowitz more layers [13:48] schestowitz should I submit my first-ever proposal to libreplanet? [13:48] schestowitz it would not be provocation btw [13:48] schestowitz it would be sincere [13:49] schestowitz they need to allow these sorts of topics [13:49] schestowitz taboo is not freedom [13:49] schestowitz esp. if the taboo is imposed by those looking to undermine the org [13:49] activelow "all-time high since the euro was launched"; which ignores the facts of two preceeding currency reforms [13:50] TR News "WindowsReport" now tells you that to use "LINUX" you should stay with Windows. This is what WSL is about. It is an ATTACK on GNU/Linux. And mind who promotes it! Anti-Linux sites... [13:50] activelow i arrived at ~8% annual inflation with compound interest(!) since 1990 [13:50] matey should I submit my first-ever proposal to libreplanet? <- it would be participating in a farce [13:51] matey what did mjg call his contribution to/against secure boot? [13:51] matey did he name it? [13:51] matey does it have a name? [13:52] TR News SDxCentral is a paid-for LF mouthpiece. A lot of the WWW became Webspam. SDxCentral is part of this epidemic. [13:53] matey security.stackexchange.com/questions/24794/impact-of-mathew-garretts-secure-grub-bootloader-on-uefi-secure-boot 5 My eyebrows rose with Matthew Garrett announcing his Secure GRUB Bootloader less than three hours after no longer being a Red Hat employee. This work and its impact on the trust chain design of the UEFI secure boot now being implemented on Windows 8 configured hardware has had me puzzled for the last six months. [13:54] TR News Razer and Lambda Team Up to Unveil a Linux Laptop for Deep Learning Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163670 [13:54] TR Bot Razer and Lambda Team Up to Unveil a Linux Laptop for Deep Learning | Tux Machines [13:54] matey should I submit my first-ever proposal to libreplanet? <- yes, provided you call the proposal "secure free speech safe space policy" [13:55] schestowitz-TR at least ibm can no longer pick up the phone and threaten fsf [13:55] schestowitz-TR "if you let this guy speak..." [13:55] schestowitz-TR "he mention IBM's history.." [13:55] matey they still have lawyers [13:56] schestowitz-TR "he hurts nazis' feelings..." [13:56] matey they can threaten defamation or some shit [13:56] schestowitz-TR well, they did sue to take down WeBuildFedora [13:56] matey if the fsf wants to cave, ibm can give them a reason [13:56] schestowitz-TR not sue per say [13:56] schestowitz-TR but it was formal legal action [13:56] matey injuction? [13:56] schestowitz-TR like 50 pages [13:56] schestowitz-TR yes, something like that [13:56] matey a company named sue [13:57] schestowitz-TR SueCom(b to that) [13:57] matey ibm sues [13:57] matey s/e/ck/ [13:58] matey i wonder if it will be possible to download the talk while its streaming [13:59] TR News Webspam is killing the web. This "Linux" site started trotting out SEO spam, not it's pushing OUTRIGHT SCAMS! https://kifarunix.com/how-to-develop-an-nft-marketplace-a-comprehensive-guide/ [13:59] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: kifarunix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://kifarunix.com/how-to-develop-an-nft-marketplace-a-comprehensive-guide/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://kifarunix.com/how-to-develop-an-nft-marketplace-a-comprehensive-guide/ [13:59] TR Bot to Develop an NFT Marketplace: A Comprehensive Guide - kifarunix.com [13:59] matey you can do that with [infamous streaming website] [13:59] matey no need to mention which ● Apr 13 [14:00] TR News Legit sites won't survive and will not benefit from turning to SEO or webspam. They typically do so in the false hope of 'cashing in' on their way out, seeing they're already failing as legit sites. FOSS Force joined that wave... (sadly) [14:01] schestowitz-TR [13:58] i wonder if it will be possible to download the talk while its streaming [14:01] schestowitz-TR some did this in libreplanet [14:01] schestowitz-TR someone in this channel (IRC) did last year [14:01] schestowitz-TR so we had copies before FSF published them [14:01] schestowitz-TR like the RMS return [14:02] matey ill give it a try [14:02] schestowitz-TR but this time I think I can 'borrow' the FSF's stream [14:02] schestowitz-TR because of how it is implemented [14:02] matey because its js based [14:02] schestowitz-TR zoobab used to rip a lot of talks [14:02] schestowitz-TR in real-time [14:02] schestowitz-TR esp. patent stuff [14:02] matey it used to be more trivial [14:02] schestowitz-TR as the authorities would not publish a video afterwards [14:03] matey but there are some excellent tools (even if theyre not trivial to implement) [14:03] matey youd be surprised how sometimes its as simple as looking at the source and grabbing something that starts with http and ends with .mp4 [14:03] TR News Gulag 'owns' Apache Cassandra now? https://opensource.com/article/22/4/apache-cassandra-google-summer-code-program [14:03] TR Bot to join Apache Cassandra during Google Summer of Code | Opensource.com [14:03] matey then you can just use wget [14:04] matey but usually its not that easy [14:04] matey its just funny when it is [14:05] TR News #HowTo install Twilio Authy in Linux based system Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163671 [14:05] TR Bot How to install Twilio Authy in Linux based system | Tux Machines [14:05] matey its funny when theres gobs of javascript around all that [14:05] matey "we obfuscated everything except the url" [14:06] matey again, this is the exception [14:06] matey its often insanely complex [14:07] schestowitz-TR by intention [14:07] matey of course [14:07] schestowitz-TR a web of complexity [14:07] schestowitz-TR literally [14:07] schestowitz-TR to throw people off the hooks [14:07] schestowitz-TR like the data object [14:07] matey to force people to use the shit [14:07] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163672 [14:07] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [14:08] matey this is why i dont think "content" is condescending [14:08] schestowitz-TR eye are pirvacy tools [14:08] matey its always been used to refer to the gOOD part [14:08] schestowitz-TR we should remove eyes [14:08] schestowitz-TR and ban them [14:08] schestowitz-TR and for music mouths and ears [14:08] schestowitz-TR and speakers [14:08] schestowitz-TR only "authorised" speakers [14:08] schestowitz-TR with garbled signals [14:08] matey s/rms// [14:08] schestowitz-TR and reverse-engineering criminalised [14:09] schestowitz-TR "omg!! he passed a song unencrypted! Arrest hbim!" [14:10] matey rms made a valiant effort to get these companies to behave [14:10] matey unfortunately he still thinks thats possible [14:10] TR News Back 4 Blood adds experimental support for GNU/Linux and Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/back-4-blood-adds-experimental-support-for-linux-and-steam-deck/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games [14:10] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/back-4-blood-adds-experimental-support-for-linux-and-steam-deck/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/back-4-blood-adds-experimental-support-for-linux-and-steam-deck/ [14:10] TR Bot 4 Blood adds experimental support for Linux and Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux [14:10] matey but he made the best effort in that direction that anyone could-- now everyone wants to capitulate [14:11] matey not only will it not work either-- it will work quite a lot less than what stallman attempted [14:11] TR News "Arx Fatalis is an Arkane Studios classic from 2002 that was officially open sourced. This update for Arx Libertatis should hopefully make it work even better on the Steam Deck, and Linux desktops using Mesa drivers." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/arx-fatalis-open-source-engine-arx-libertatis-gets-fixed-up-for-mesa-drivers/ [14:11] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/arx-fatalis-open-source-engine-arx-libertatis-gets-fixed-up-for-mesa-drivers/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/arx-fatalis-open-source-engine-arx-libertatis-gets-fixed-up-for-mesa-drivers/ [14:11] TR Bot Fatalis open source engine Arx Libertatis gets fixed up for Mesa drivers | GamingOnLinux [14:11] matey theyre suckers [14:11] matey or liars [14:11] MinceR 13 145148 < matey> does it have a name? [14:11] MinceR i believe Torvalds called it a "dick-sucking contest" :> [14:11] matey secure grub bootloader is the closest i came up with [14:12] matey torvalds was right about that much [14:12] schestowitz is there such a thing, literally? [14:12] matey security.stackexchange.com/questions/24794/impact-of-mathew-garretts-secure-grub-bootloader-on-uefi-secure-boot [14:12] matey it could be a description rather than the name [14:12] matey in other words, he might not actually call it that [14:12] matey i didnt do a deep dive on this [14:12] schestowitz it's a mirage [14:13] schestowitz considering more potent attack vectors [14:13] schestowitz but anyway [14:13] matey mostly it was for rhetorical purposes in response to your question if you should submit anything to lieplanet [14:13] schestowitz-TR now you can 'safely' boot a piece of mwlare like windows [14:13] schestowitz-TR "success" [14:13] matey i compared you submitting a proposal to lie planet to mjg submitting patches to grub [14:13] schestowitz-TR using an opaque chip with lots of defects [14:17] matey questioning the safe space policy isnt allowed by the safe space policy [14:17] matey its like a locked bootloader for free speech [14:18] matey if you question the policy someone might feel unsafe [14:18] TR News Bruce Schneier pretends this is not about Microsoft Windows. But it is (.exe file). He's compromised to me.... https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/04/russian-cyberattack-against-ukrainian-power-grid-prevented.html [14:18] TR Bot Cyberattack against Ukrainian Power Grid Prevented - Schneier on Security [14:18] schestowitz-TR matey: questioning the ethics of "ethical" source [14:19] schestowitz-TR or the justice of "justice warriors" [14:19] matey its barely hyperbole to say this is the sort of thing that leads to stalinism [14:19] matey this is the sort of thing that led to stalinism. [14:19] schestowitz-TR and asian woman cannot protest either [14:19] schestowitz-TR the hotel will "Cancel" her [14:19] schestowitz-TR in the name of "safe space" [14:19] matey i wish we had more info on that [14:19] schestowitz-TR D&I [14:19] matey right now it reeks of post hoc [14:20] matey i mean, its very PLAUSIBLE post hoc [14:20] schestowitz-TR "when did you stop beating up the wife, James Zemlin?" [14:20] matey but not "im comfortable stating this as a fact" post hoc [14:20] matey theres just no data at all [14:20] matey at least from the article [14:20] TR News Games: Overworld, Splitgate, Back 4 Blood, and Arx Fatalis Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163673 [14:20] TR Bot Games: Overworld, Splitgate, Back 4 Blood, and Arx Fatalis | Tux Machines [14:21] matey she went to a conference, the hotel cancelled her reservation [14:22] matey but hotels do that, as far as i know [14:22] TR News Changes at SUSE Update on next generation of SLE https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/N6TTE7ZBY7GFJ27XSDTXRF3MVLF6HW4W/ [14:22] matey id love to know at least: [14:22] TR Bot Update on next generation of SLE - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists [14:22] matey 1. do we know what they said about it [14:22] matey 2. does marcia believe there was a connection [14:23] matey even if 2 is satisfied, i can appreciate that [14:23] TR News Biometric ID in Tunisia: a threat to privacy and data protection - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/biometric-id-tunisia/ Source: accessnow [14:23] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/biometric-id-tunisia/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/biometric-id-tunisia/ [14:23] TR Bot Biometric ID in Tunisia: a threat to privacy and data protection - Access Now [14:23] matey i dont need a full congressional investigation to show me the hotel was being... [14:23] schestowitz-TR 'orphaned' developer [14:23] matey but how would the hotel even know? [14:24] schestowitz-TR not tied to pantagon [14:24] matey did someone call and complain? [14:25] TR News Reporting of cyber incidents becomes law in the USA | Pen Test Partners https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/reporting-of-cyber-incidents-becomes-law-in-the-usa/ Source: pentestpartners [14:25] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: pentestpartners.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/reporting-of-cyber-incidents-becomes-law-in-the-usa/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/reporting-of-cyber-incidents-becomes-law-in-the-usa/ [14:25] TR Bot Reporting of cyber incidents becomes law in the USA | Pen Test Partners [14:25] schestowitz-TR in an epic film [14:25] schestowitz-TR about a future [14:26] schestowitz-TR dystopian [14:26] schestowitz-TR corporations phone landlords [14:26] schestowitz-TR rendering their exposers and critics homeless [14:26] schestowitz-TR the future might be 2020 [14:26] matey oh yeah, microsoft does shit like that [14:26] schestowitz-TR and public gathering is "public hazard' [14:27] schestowitz-TR you get arrested for the crime of "being close" to other consenting adults [14:27] schestowitz-TR microsoft is not even a company [14:27] schestowitz-TR it's organised crime, and a cult.. [14:27] matey full agreement [14:27] schestowitz-TR the US government supports this cult [14:27] matey yep [14:27] schestowitz-TR and gives it gov positions [14:27] schestowitz-TR even USPTO [14:27] matey yep [14:28] matey as kingoffrance would say its another ppp [14:28] TR News Civil society to EU: dont threaten rights with last-minute crisis response mechanism in DSA - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/crisis-response-mechanism-dsa/ Source: accessnow [14:28] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/crisis-response-mechanism-dsa/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/crisis-response-mechanism-dsa/ [14:28] TR Bot Civil society to EU: dont threaten rights with last-minute crisis response mechanism in DSA - Access Now [14:28] matey "you down with ppp?" "yeah you know me!" [14:29] matey "whos down with ppp?" "every 501c3!" [14:29] TR News Works only in theory; direct exchange/bartering works a lot better. https://www.maketecheasier.com/what-is-defi/ [14:29] TR Bot What Is DeFi And How Does It Work - Make Tech Easier [14:29] matey people talking about defunding npr [14:30] matey npr had cuts made by NIXON [14:30] matey they were supposed to be funded by gov in the public interest (like the beeb) [14:30] matey the gov made cuts, they sought funding from corporations instead (like the beeb) [14:31] matey today theyre a corporate mouthpiece funded by bill gates (like the beeb) [14:31] TR News One reason governments loathe sharing and software freedom or free software is that it's hard to tax and track exchange of "goods" (mutual sharing, reciprocity, immaterial). Of course "open source" is just an openwashing varnish for same old crap. [14:32] matey software in the private interest (debibm) [14:34] matey fsf: getting corporations to hijack us is a sort of victory [14:34] matey open source: THATS WHAT WEVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY FOR 20 YEARS! [14:35] matey the capitulation of red chief [14:35] matey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ransom_of_Red_Chief [14:35] TR Bot The Ransom of Red Chief - Wikipedia [14:38] matey is it a scam or just terrible philosophy? [14:39] matey thanks to postmodernism, it can be both! [14:39] TR News Installation and Review of Linux Mint 20.3 XFCE https://www.tecmint.com/linux-mint-xfce-installation/ Source: TecMint FreeSW | GNU | Linux [14:39] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: tecmint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.tecmint.com/linux-mint-xfce-installation/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.tecmint.com/linux-mint-xfce-installation/ [14:39] TR Bot Installation and Review of Linux Mint 20.3 XFCE [14:40] TR News PDF viewer list on Ubuntu 22.04 Jammy Jellyfish Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163674 [14:40] TR Bot PDF viewer list on Ubuntu 22.04 Jammy Jellyfish Linux | Tux Machines [14:40] TR News Linux desktop is still the best desktop Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163675 [14:40] TR Bot Linux desktop is still the best desktop | Tux Machines [14:40] matey just to be clear im expecting the speech to sound good [14:41] matey it might take 12 hours to pick apart [14:41] matey or it might be trivial [14:41] matey but the one thing im not expecting is for it to be stallman [14:42] matey thats basically impossible at this point [14:45] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.eu/FOSSForce/status/1514237473622216704#m [14:45] TR Bot FOSS Force (@FOSSForce): "Ruby Patches Important Bugs | Tux Machines https://buff.ly/3M1Acik" | nitter [14:45] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.eu/BrideOfLinux/status/1514234494261374988#m [14:45] matey oh gods [14:45] TR Bot Christine Hall (@BrideOfLinux): "Definitely time to patch: Ruby Patches Important Bugs | Tux Machines https://buff.ly/3M1Acik" | nitter [14:45] matey im afraid to look [14:46] TR News TurnKey GNU/Linux: Core & TKLDev v17.0 Stable Release & "preliminary" RPi4 builds Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163676 [14:46] TR Bot TurnKey GNU/Linux: Core & TKLDev v17.0 Stable Release & "preliminary" RPi4 builds | Tux Machines [14:46] matey ruby? [14:48] matey hehehehehe [14:48] matey https://www.zdnet.com/article/shimming-your-way-to-linux-on-windows-8-pcs/ However, Matthew Garrett, a well-known Linux developer who's been working on fixing the Secure Boot problem, has just released a working UEFI boot solution for Linux distributors. [14:48] TR Bot your way to Linux on Windows 8 PCs | ZDNet [14:48] matey i dont need to check who wrote it do i? [14:48] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: siren) [14:49] *isak (~isak@dzzss3vg4xwbw.irc) has joined #techrights [14:49] TR News Free "service" for (mostly) a pyramid scheme of fake trust (from the empire that supports investigation of war crimes, except its own) https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/12/sslping_to_ping_no_more/ [14:49] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/12/sslping_to_ping_no_more/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/12/sslping_to_ping_no_more/ [14:49] TR Bot SSLPing to ping no more: Creator calls it quits The Register [14:50] TR News Mumble is an open-source VoIP application Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163677 [14:50] TR Bot Mumble is an open-source VoIP application | Tux Machines [14:52] TR News "HedgeDoc is a self-hosted, web-based collaborative markdown editor for teams and enterprise. It is an ideal solution for students, researchers, and writers." https://medevel.com/hedgedoc/ [14:52] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/hedgedoc/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://medevel.com/hedgedoc/ [14:52] TR Bot HedgeDoc is an open-source collaborative markdown writing platform [14:52] *matey has quit (connection closed) [14:57] TR News "Collaboration is a critical ingredient for successful IT organizations." And that's why we at ICBM Red Hat slander Richard Stallman https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/4-ways-create-culture-collaboration [14:57] TR Bot 4 ways to create a culture of collaboration | The Enterprisers Project [14:58] TR News Yes, buzzwords and hype are indeed challenges and the people who push them need to be overcome. Push them. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/agile-3-pitfalls [14:58] TR Bot 3 Agile pitfalls and how to overcome them | The Enterprisers Project [14:59] TR News kifarUNIX is dead to me. It rendered itself scams, spam, and SEO. Spamfarm. ● Apr 13 [15:00] TR News If you want to commit loads of crimes and still stay out of jail, then you want to apply for a job at Microsoft http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988#comment-33323 [15:00] TR Bot Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux Machines [15:02] TR News Congrats to Spamnil. New records approached. Soon nobody will watch his spammy videos except himself and the guest. [15:02] TR News IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163678 [15:02] TR Bot IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [15:04] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [15:04] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:04] TR News Spamnil now has videos with literally more days than views, e.g. 13 days, 12 views. At least he kills his own instead of Linux.com but afaik LF pays him to do this... they do not want potent journalism, just openwashing spam. [15:05] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@gbgr2jcp6yrt2.irc) has joined #techrights [15:05] TR News Linux Foundation is named after the thing it is trying to hurt. [15:07] TR News LLVM 14.0.1 Released.... to Microsoft proprietary claws. What's the point handing over all your hard work to criminals? They do not even pay you for it... [15:17] Techrights-sec LF is dirt [15:17] Techrights-sec but then that appears to the main goal of the principals involved [15:17] Techrights-sec Why else would vmware, M$ and the others join the board if not to [15:17] Techrights-sec subvert and dilute the GPL and Linux [15:18] TR News "Cockpit is the modern Linux admin interface. We release regularly. Here are the release notes from Cockpit 267 and cockpit-machines 266..." https://cockpit-project.org//blog/cockpit-267.html [15:18] TR Bot Cockpit 267 Cockpit Project [15:18] TR News "To control things through gesture movement, GY-61 is a great and cheap way module enabling to manage all three directions moments In this tutorial, well interface the GY-61 accelerometer with Arduino Uno including code, connection diagram, and component list." https://peppe8o.com/accelerometer-with-arduino-uno-adxl335-gy-61-wiring-and-code/ [15:18] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: peppe8o.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://peppe8o.com/accelerometer-with-arduino-uno-adxl335-gy-61-wiring-and-code/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://peppe8o.com/accelerometer-with-arduino-uno-adxl335-gy-61-wiring-and-code/ [15:18] TR Bot Accelerometer with Arduino Uno: ADXL335 (GY-61) wiring and code [15:19] TR News "A major upgrade of Microdnf is the first step in the evolution of package management in Fedora. The new microdnf has ambitions to provide all major features of DNF without losing its minimal footprint." https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MajorUpgradeOfMicrodnf [15:19] TR Bot Changes/MajorUpgradeOfMicrodnf - Fedora Project Wiki [15:21] TR News Most of these are free software; that should be PREREQUISITE to trust and security https://www.techrepublic.com/article/5-password-managers-built-teams/ [15:21] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: techrepublic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/5-password-managers-built-teams/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/5-password-managers-built-teams/ [15:21] TR Bot password managers built for teams | TechRepublic [15:21] TR News Arduino releases secure bootloader based on MCUboot - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/13/arduino-mcuboot-secure-bootloader/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware [15:21] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/13/arduino-mcuboot-secure-bootloader/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/13/arduino-mcuboot-secure-bootloader/ [15:21] TR Bot Arduino releases secure bootloader based on MCUboot - CNX Software [15:23] *CParadoxum__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:24] *CParadoxum__ (~quassel@9xkr6pdp2c5xu.irc) has joined #techrights [15:24] TR News I Want Privacy for Illegal Things gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/illegal_things.gmi "cannot make use of end-to-end encryption (at least not when writing to my mum), but a privacy respecting protocol would undoubtedly solve the problem." [15:25] TR News A call for Gemini without TLS gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/02/16.1 [15:26] schestowitz "In a recent [1,2] *log entry, I lamented being unable to get Elpher to use client certificates---which are an integral component of the Gemini protocol---in establishing TLS connections using the native Emacs network functions." gemini://thelambdalab.xyz/phlog/2020-06-22-Elpher-client-certificates.txt [15:36] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@h29stqv8ereqe.irc) has joined #techrights [15:37] *bnchs (~bnchs@w78azikku2zhn.irc) has joined #techrights [15:37] bnchs hello schestowitz [15:38] bnchs i was out for a walk [15:38] bnchs found 3 DVDs containing(?) a burnt copy of Gears of War [15:38] bnchs "Games for Windows" [15:38] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [15:40] SomeH4x0r someone threw them away? [15:41] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:42] *bnchs (~bnchs@w78azikku2zhn.irc) has joined #techrights [15:42] bnchs SomeH4x0r, idk [15:42] bnchs but i found it in the bushes [15:42] bnchs "Application :NERO BURNING ROM" [15:43] bnchs "Volume Name:GEARS_OF_WAR_PC1" [15:43] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@freenode/user/Noisytoot) has joined #techrights [15:44] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot) has joined #techrights [15:44] bnchs "Gears of War, also known simply as Gears, is a media franchise centered on a series of video games created by Epic Games" [15:44] bnchs "and owned and published by Xbox Game Studios." [15:44] bnchs and a windows and xbox exclusive [15:45] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@y56qsb6r6yg94.irc) has joined #techrights [15:45] SomeH4x0r is it safe to insert unknown optical drives, unlike USB? [15:45] bnchs i mounted it read-only [15:46] SomeH4x0r I mean hardware damage, like USB killers [15:47] bnchs thunar froze trying to mount it [15:47] bnchs so it's porbably already corrupt [15:47] SomeH4x0r does dd work? [15:48] SomeH4x0r though I have a few CDs on which dd doesn't work, but I can copy the files [15:48] SomeH4x0r dd says I/O error and does nothing [15:50] bnchs finding CDs and DVDs on the ground is nothing out of the ordinary [15:50] bnchs i found a burnt PS2 game (which was partially corrupt) on some location [15:51] TR News Testing Figures Diminish to Lowest Since 2020 as Government Strategy Morphs Into COVID Denial (COVIDiots in Charge) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/13/covid-denial/ [15:51] TR Bot Blog Archive Testing Figures Diminish to Lowest Since 2020 as Government Strategy Morphs Into COVID Denial (COVIDiots in Charge) [15:52] schestowitz-TR bnchs: Microsoft is a DVDCompany(R) [15:52] bnchs but i think this is a message [15:52] bnchs a windows/xbox exclusive game made by epic games [15:56] MinceR tencent teams up with MICROS~1 [15:58] bnchs i like finding random CDs ● Apr 13 [16:01] psydruid so someone asked on the ARM Discord server why they chose to use Discord rather than something more open like IRC or Matrix [16:02] psydruid and they were almost banned for voicing their discontent with that decision [16:02] MinceR lol [16:02] psydruid so Solid-Run doesn't look like a friend of free software [16:03] psydruid more of a friend of oppression [16:03] bnchs lol [16:03] bnchs we're free software [16:03] bnchs but use nonn-free platforms [16:04] psydruid I don' t get why free software projects use proprietary centralised services either [16:04] psydruid yes, screw them [16:04] TR News Binary to display all GTK widgets https://bkhome.org/news/202204/binary-to-display-all-gtk-widgets.html Source: bkhome [16:04] TR Bot Binary to display all GTK widgets [16:09] TR News "The Arch-based distro EndeavourOS has a new release with plenty of improvements and some new feature additions." https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-release-roundup-2022-15/ [16:09] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: itsfoss.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-release-roundup-2022-15/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-release-roundup-2022-15/ [16:09] TR Bot Linux Release Roundup #22.15: Raspberry Pi OS, EndeavourOS Apollo, and More Releases - It's FOSS News [16:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [16:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 111.70 average k/sec., average swarm size 322.51 [16:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 111.70 average k/sec., average swarm size 322.51 [16:10] TR News OpenSSH SCP deprecation in RHEL 9: What you need to know Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163679 [16:10] TR Bot OpenSSH SCP deprecation in RHEL 9: What you need to know | Tux Machines [16:11] TR News Top 5 Best Arcade Games for Linux To Cherish the Nostalgia Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163680 [16:11] TR Bot Top 5 Best Arcade Games for Linux To Cherish the Nostalgia | Tux Machines [16:11] MinceR (fox) https://ircz.de/p/22032420 [16:11] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/deswdl4i5uo81.jpg created on 2022-03-24 03:15:53.426572 [16:11] TR News LibreWolf vs Firefox: Comparing the Privacy Heroes of Open-Source Browsers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163681 [16:11] TR Bot LibreWolf vs Firefox: Comparing the Privacy Heroes of Open-Source Browsers | Tux Machines [16:11] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163682 [16:11] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:26] bnchs psydruid, what is this Discord guild about [16:27] psydruid bnchs, it's ARM's "developer community" [16:27] psydruid it beats me why they chose Discord [16:28] psydruid but ARM being proprietary probably likes proprietary things [16:28] psydruid such as Windows and macOS [16:29] bnchs lol [16:29] bnchs if they end up almost banning a user [16:30] bnchs because they asked a question about why they used discord [16:30] bnchs it almost seems like they're bribed [16:30] bnchs or brainwashed [16:30] psydruid yes [16:30] psydruid or both [16:30] psydruid bribed & brainwashed [16:31] bnchs lol [16:31] bnchs https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360054793351-Discord-for-Windows-10-ARM64 [16:31] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360054793351-Discord-for-Windows-10-ARM64 ) [16:31] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: discord.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360054793351-Discord-for-Windows-10-ARM64 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360054793351-Discord-for-Windows-10-ARM64 [16:31] bnchs this is what proprietary software gets you [16:31] psydruid https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/microsoft-joins-linaro-arm-and-qualcomm-technologies-to-advance-windows-on-arm/ [16:31] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: hpcwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/microsoft-joins-linaro-arm-and-qualcomm-technologies-to-advance-windows-on-arm/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/microsoft-joins-linaro-arm-and-qualcomm-technologies-to-advance-windows-on-arm/ [16:31] TR Bot Microsoft Joins Linaro, Arm and Qualcomm Technologies to Advance Windows on Arm [16:31] psydruid there you have it [16:31] bnchs begging a company to make a ARM64 port [16:31] bnchs for windows 10 [16:31] bnchs windows 10 on ARM64 [16:31] psydruid joined Linaro to Advance Windows on ARM [16:31] bnchs " [16:31] bnchs As part of the Electron 7.0.0 update, ARM64 support was added to Electron. Seeing as Windows 10 ARM64 computers have started to roll out, it may be useful to create an ARM64 build of Discord for it. In the mean time, the normal client does work, since Windows 10 ARM can run x86 32bit apps like Discord's normal client. Unfortunately, the performance is really slow as it has to run through a translation layer. [16:31] bnchs " [16:31] psydruid lol [16:32] bnchs "We need a native Windows ARM64 client immediately!" [16:32] bnchs imagine begging like this [16:33] psydruid it's looking pathetic [16:34] bnchs proprietary software leaves you begging for the devs [16:35] TR News Has Qt shifted from "Open Source" to crApp bloat? https://www.qt.io/blog/make-your-app-live-longer [16:35] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: qt.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.qt.io/blog/make-your-app-live-longer https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.qt.io/blog/make-your-app-live-longer [16:35] TR Bot Make Your App Live Longer [16:36] TR News Qt doing emojis now :/ https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-python-details-on-the-new-6.3-release [16:36] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: qt.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-python-details-on-the-new-6.3-release https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-python-details-on-the-new-6.3-release [16:36] TR Bot Qt for Python details on the new 6.3 release [16:36] SomeH4x0r it did years ago [16:37] TR News But do these chips do smart and clown and "hey hi"? https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/13/broadcom-unveils-wifi-7-chips-for-access-points-and-clients/ [16:37] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/13/broadcom-unveils-wifi-7-chips-for-access-points-and-clients/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/13/broadcom-unveils-wifi-7-chips-for-access-points-and-clients/ [16:37] TR Bot Broadcom unveils WiFi 7 chips for access points and clients - CNX Software [16:37] bnchs emojis have turned into shit [16:37] bnchs they were supposed to be raceless sexless, generic smilies [16:38] bnchs but then it turned into a circus of skin colors and religion and races [16:38] bnchs and flags [16:38] TR News Usenet Newsreader Reviews https://cloudyday.tech.blog/2022/04/13/usenet-newsreader-reviews/ [16:38] TR Bot Usenet Newsreader Reviews blog.theuse.net [16:39] MinceR it also turned unicode into a churning monstrosity that gets updated every year [16:39] MinceR and they're wasting code points on emoji, while they screwed CJKV characters with han unification [16:39] bnchs emojis have ruined unicode [16:40] bnchs they should scrap all the emojis [16:40] *techrights_guest|32 (~543b32bc@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [16:40] bnchs and start from the beginning [16:40] MinceR unicode was already ruined [16:40] *techrights_guest|32 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [16:42] TR News from HTML5 & Javascript blob technique to ransomeware JS is evil (when it is allowed to do more than gui animations) https://dwaves.de/2022/04/13/from-html5-javascript-blob-technique-to-ransomeware-js-is-evil-when-it-is-allowed-to-do-more-than-gui-animations/ [16:42] TR Bot from HTML5 & Javascript blob technique to ransomeware JS is evil (when it is allowed to do more than gui animations) | dwaves.de [16:42] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/22040425 [16:42] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/xrrub0gpp5r81.jpg created on 2022-04-04 07:39:21.381567 [16:43] XRevan86 MinceR: First thing I noticed is the MasterLock. The second thing I noticed is that it protects nothing. [16:43] MinceR :) [16:44] TR News Software: HedgeDoc, Usenet Newsreaders, and Cockpit Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163683 [16:44] TR Bot Software: HedgeDoc, Usenet Newsreaders, and Cockpit | Tux Machines [16:44] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: sort of like "secure" boot [16:45] MinceR "secure" boot is much worse [16:45] schestowitz-TR it protects companies from the user/buyer/'owner' [16:45] MinceR it "protects" MICROS~1's market share [16:45] XRevan86 schestowitz: There's no "notch decoder" for "Secure"Boot. [16:45] schestowitz-TR yes [16:46] XRevan86 * "notched decoder" [16:46] schestowitz-TR de coder [16:47] schestowitz-TR like LP? [16:47] XRevan86 schestowitz: yes [16:49] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #techrights [16:50] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [16:54] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:54] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@2fiqis2r4vbx6.irc) has joined #techrights [16:56] TR News TensorFlow Library Performance Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163684 [16:56] TR Bot TensorFlow Library Performance | Tux Machines [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 102.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 296.60 ● Apr 13 [17:13] bnchs fuck nvidia CUDA [17:13] bnchs imagine nvidia inventing proprietary crap like microsoft [17:13] bnchs instead of OpenCL, it's CUDA [17:17] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/22040352 [17:17] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/kji9vfe0pbr81.jpg created on 2022-04-03 21:47:01.826847 [17:23] *zleap has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [17:24] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [17:35] *matey (~matey@5qfh8ygvjx3sy.irc) has joined #techrights [17:38] matey psydruid I don' t get why free software projects use proprietary centralised services either [17:38] matey i know why [17:38] matey its because theyre bullshit [17:38] schestowitz-TR I'm going to do real-time video respons to RMS [17:38] schestowitz-TR and then upload it [17:38] matey we care about your freedom [17:39] matey unless you want to participate in our project [17:39] matey then you can find us on shithub [17:40] TR News LibrePlanet 2022 Talk by Rubn Rodrguez Prez, Founder of Trisquel GNU/Linux | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/trisquel-founder-on-lazy-eye/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/13/trisquel-founder-on-lazy-eye/ [17:40] TR Bot LibrePlanet 2022 Talk by Rubn Rodrguez Prez, Founder of Trisquel GNU/Linux | Techrights [17:41] matey I'm going to do real-time video respons to RMS <- be sure to get that recoreded and uploaded before it violates the license theyll put on it :) [17:42] matey /me is being facetious of course, but only to mock their choice of license, which is utterly bullshit [17:42] matey rms: fair use [17:43] matey me: fucking genius, so youre letting it rest on the very thing that was inadequate to the point of uselessness, which cc saved us from-- BUT YOURE USING CC to say "fuck you" to that [17:43] matey nice! [17:43] XRevan86 https://nitter.eu/novayagazeta_en/status/1514240905234067464 [17:43] TR Bot Novaya Gazeta. Europe (@novayagazeta_en): "Women gathered in front of the Russian embassy in Tallinn to draw attention to the sexual violence of Russian soldiers against Ukrainian women and children. Photo: petri kajander / Twitter" | nitter [17:44] XRevan86 https://nitter.eu/novayagazeta_en/status/1514208410472005632 [17:44] TR Bot Novaya Gazeta. Europe (@novayagazeta_en): "St. Petersburg artist Sasha Skochilenko has been sent to a pre-trial detention facility. Earlier, a local court arrested the activist until May 31 under Russias new fake news law." | nitter [17:44] matey thats ok, fsf has lost many years worth of sales over this [17:44] matey and donations [17:45] bnchs electron is a security nightmare [17:45] XRevan86 https://nitter.eu/novayagazeta_en/status/1514275711799934983 [17:45] TR Bot Novaya Gazeta. Europe (@novayagazeta_en): "A Russian military officer gets a prone to treason, lies and deceit stamp in his service record card for refusing to join the war in Ukraine" | nitter [17:45] bnchs it's much easier than ever [17:45] bnchs to inject javascript [17:45] XRevan86 They covered a lot, nice. [17:45] bnchs and phish logins and everything [17:46] matey that makes auditing easy [17:46] matey "you failed" [17:46] matey "why?" [17:46] matey "because you use electron, you stupid shit" [17:46] matey "but our devops people" [17:46] matey /me batman smacking someone meme [17:47] activelow "prone to" .. being lied to and deceived; seems a badge of honor [17:47] schestowitz https://live.fsf.org/rms-livestream-2022.webm [17:47] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://live.fsf.org/rms-livestream-2022.webm ) [17:47] schestowitz it's dead at the momenmt [17:47] matey sweet [17:47] schestowitz but it is a placeholder URL that they have just added [17:49] matey its actually a 404 for me [17:51] matey it's dead at the momenmt <- i imagined a live stream of nothing (dead air) but its a BIT early [17:53] matey /me listens to whiter shade of pale sung to the tune of the muppet show theme [17:58] TR News Richard Stallmans Talk (Livestream) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-the-state-of-the-free-software-movement/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-the-state-of-the-free-software-movement/ [17:58] TR Bot Richard Stallmans Talk (Livestream) | Techrights ● Apr 13 [18:01] schestowitz https://live.fsf.org/rms-libreplanet-2022.ogg [18:01] schestowitz audio stream [18:01] schestowitz works now [18:01] schestowitz but.. have a listen [18:01] MinceR (cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/Q9xIEdO [18:01] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://imgur.com/t/cats/Q9xIEdO https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://imgur.com/t/cats/Q9xIEdO [18:02] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:04] TR News Bezos Post: from Russophobia to Chinap[/o]hobia https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/13/tiktok-russia-censorship-propaganda-tracking-exposed/ [18:04] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: washingtonpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/13/tiktok-russia-censorship-propaganda-tracking-exposed/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/13/tiktok-russia-censorship-propaganda-tracking-exposed/ [18:06] schestowitz-TR now the video link is live [18:06] schestowitz-TR and working [18:06] matey still 4040 here [18:08] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-the-state-of-the-free-software-movement/ [18:08] schestowitz cjchanged url in http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-the-state-of-the-free-software-movement/ [18:08] schestowitz nowq it plays [18:10] matey libreplanet! [18:10] Techrights-sec https://live.fsf.org/rms-libreplanet-2022-lowres.webm [18:10] matey https://live.fsf.org/rms-libreplanet-2022-lowres.webm [18:10] matey wtf does this have to do with libreplanet [18:10] matey retcon! [18:10] matey this is orwellian [18:11] matey off to a nice start, the url itself is a lie [18:11] matey whos in charge of this [18:11] matey theyre bullshit [18:13] *bnchs__ (~bnchs@piun2df7wk9k2.irc) has joined #techrights [18:13] matey it better be some default, like in a script or something [18:13] matey hey bnchs__ guess what! [18:13] matey there are TWO libreplanets this year [18:13] matey one for normie cunts [18:13] bnchs__ what [18:13] matey and one for rms only [18:13] bnchs__ wait wtf? [18:13] matey https://live.fsf.org/rms-libreplanet-2022-lowres.webm [18:13] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:14] bnchs__ so basically [18:14] matey they were going to do a blacks only libreplanet but then they thought no, that would be incredibly racist [18:14] bnchs__ rms is isolated? [18:14] matey i mean denies only [18:14] matey well i dont theyre calling this /rms-libreplanet-2022 [18:14] matey actually the name of the talk is still the state of free software [18:14] matey only the url says libreplanet-2022 [18:14] matey for some stupid reason [18:15] matey but kudos to rms for making his own libreplanet [18:15] matey with blackjack and hookers [18:16] bnchs__ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szPBJVy1G5o [18:16] bnchs__ god damn it bot [18:16] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #techrights [18:16] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [18:16] bnchs__ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szPBJVy1G5o [18:16] TR Bot https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=szPBJVy1G5o [18:16] psydruid this thing is only going live in 45 minutes [18:16] TR Bot invidio.xamh.de | Grown man Reacts to Kevin the cube skin comes to Fortnite - Invidious [18:16] matey yes until then its chiptunes [18:16] matey but this lets me check the filesize [18:17] bnchs__ this is your brain on tim swine-e [18:17] schestowitz-TR maybe I can show the IRC chat in the video I take [18:17] schestowitz-TR the question is, whose? [18:17] schestowitz-TR whose IRC [18:17] schestowitz-TR libera:fsf [18:17] matey seems to be about 1mb per minute [18:17] schestowitz-TR or this? [18:17] schestowitz-TR if this channel is active [18:18] schestowitz-TR and people watch and respond [18:18] schestowitz-TR then we'll have a video or RMS talking [18:18] schestowitz-TR and you responding to him in IRC [18:18] schestowitz-TR for the video [18:18] matey you know it violates the license [18:18] matey :D [18:18] schestowitz-TR ND? [18:18] schestowitz-TR not sure [18:18] schestowitz-TR because we don't change what he says [18:18] matey you literally cant even sync to the audio [18:18] matey read the license [18:19] matey you cant even sync video to the (unchanged) audio [18:19] matey hilariously. nd is a fucking farce. [18:19] schestowitz-TR sounds... odd [18:19] schestowitz-TR I know ND is weird [18:19] matey its bizarre [18:19] matey well, it was a bad choice [18:19] schestowitz-TR like, what if I repond to something [18:19] matey and its non-free [18:19] schestowitz-TR and wish to present the context? [18:19] matey but rms is ok with that for "works of opinion" [18:19] schestowitz-TR afaik, that's against fair use [18:20] matey like, what if I repond to something and wish to present the context <- then you have two choices [18:20] schestowitz-TR we're not bashing him [18:20] matey 1. use a free license which makes this easy [18:20] schestowitz-TR so I doubt he would mind tbh [18:20] matey 2. rely on fair use which wont likely cover the entire work [18:20] schestowitz-TR if I put the video on this channel [18:20] *bnchs__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:20] schestowitz-TR just keep language OK [18:20] matey I doubt he would mind tbh <- oh yeah, then theres "permission" too [18:20] schestowitz-TR so it doesn't end up like gulagtube "livestream" [18:21] schestowitz-TR so I won't record everything [18:21] matey but if you have to get permission then you see what a farce of a license it is [18:21] schestowitz-TR maybe just the first 30 or 60 mins [18:21] matey the whole point of cc was to move past permission culture [18:21] *bnchs (~bnchs@t6z3qb45mczjw.irc) has joined #techrights [18:21] matey and the point of using nd was an experiment [18:22] schestowitz-TR it means all we can do is slap the whole work on webspace [18:22] matey yep [18:22] schestowitz-TR and that too requires content, afaik [18:22] schestowitz-TR even with attrib. [18:22] matey as long as it doesnt sync :) [18:22] schestowitz-TR I suggest a don' do weird things on stage" licence [18:23] schestowitz-TR then a resort to nd would not be needed [18:23] *SomeH4x0r has quit (connection closed) [18:23] schestowitz-TR I am going to adjust the fonts in Konversation [18:24] schestowitz-TR to make it more visible [18:25] *bnchs__ (~bnchs@8zuqi94mi347k.irc) has joined #techrights [18:25] schestowitz-TR test [18:26] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:29] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@fici29dumxqp6.irc) has joined #techrights [18:29] schestowitz-TR OK, done a test [18:29] *GNUmoon2 has quit (connection closed) [18:29] schestowitz-TR so I will start recording soon, with IRC showing after some opening words [18:29] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@3epy783jsvpvq.irc) has joined #techrights [18:29] schestowitz-TR refrain from "bad language" [18:29] bnchs__ i hope you don't get trolls [18:29] schestowitz-TR strong opinions OK [18:30] schestowitz-TR f word etc not helpful [18:30] schestowitz-TR as it would make techrights seem rude and crude [18:30] bnchs__ but what about the trolls [18:30] schestowitz-TR bnchs__: they don't know we record [18:34] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/oeis [18:34] TR Bot Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - OEIS [18:38] schestowitz-TR Recording in 13 mins. [18:39] TR News "TikTok is blocking people in Russia from seeing any posts from outside the country, including from Ukraine." https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ [18:39] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ [18:39] TR Bot Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now [18:39] TR News Stop Pegasus: Costa Rica is the first country to call for a moratorium on spyware technology https://www.accessnow.org/costa-rica-first-country-moratorium-spyware/ [18:39] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/costa-rica-first-country-moratorium-spyware/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/costa-rica-first-country-moratorium-spyware/ [18:39] TR Bot Costa Rica: first country to call for a moratorium on spyware technology [18:40] TR News Privacy and Security Analysis of the IATA Travel Pass Explained - The Citizen Lab https://citizenlab.ca/2022/04/privacy-and-security-analysis-of-the-iata-travel-pass-explained/ Source: citizenlab [18:40] TR Bot Privacy and Security Analysis of the IATA Travel Pass Explained - The Citizen Lab [18:41] TR News Privacy and Security Analysis of the IATA Travel Pass Android App - The Citizen Lab https://citizenlab.ca/2022/04/privacy-and-security-analysis-of-the-iata-travel-pass-android-app/ Source: citizenlab [18:41] TR Bot Privacy and Security Analysis of the IATA Travel Pass Android App - The Citizen Lab [18:41] TR News Free As In Internet: Free-Net History: The Rise and Fall of Community Dial-Up https://tedium.co/2022/04/13/internet-free-net-history/ Source: tedium [18:41] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: tedium.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tedium.co/2022/04/13/internet-free-net-history/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://tedium.co/2022/04/13/internet-free-net-history/ [18:41] TR Bot Free-Net History: The Rise and Fall of Community Dial-Up [18:42] TR News "Security updates have been issued by Arch Linux (gzip, python-django, and xz), Debian (chromium, subversion, and zabbix), Red Hat (expat, kernel, and thunderbird), SUSE (go1.16, go1.17, kernel, libexif, libsolv, libzypp, zypper, opensc, subversion, thunderbird, and xz), and Ubuntu (git, linux-bluefield, nginx, and subversion)." https://lwn.net/Articles/891182/ [18:42] TR Bot updates for Wednesday [LWN.net] [18:44] TR News Lambda, Razer launch laptop for deep-learning app development http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163670#comment-33335 [18:44] TR Bot Razer and Lambda Team Up to Unveil a Linux Laptop for Deep Learning | Tux Machines [18:45] TR News "Have you considered using a YubiKey? In this complete guide, you'll learn everything you need in order to get started with these awesome security keys." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=INi-xKpYjbE [18:45] TR Bot YubiKey Complete Getting Started Guide! - Invidious [18:45] schestowitz-TR Recording in 5 mins. [18:46] TR News "In this video, I am going to show how to install MX Linux 21.1." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zShF_BDRWII [18:46] TR Bot How to install MX Linux 21.1 - Invidious [18:47] *techrights_guest|57 (~a0b02e43@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [18:47] schestowitz-TR hi techrights_guest|57 [18:47] techrights_guest|57 nah i'm just bnchs [18:48] schestowitz-TR just checking. [18:48] schestowitz-TR it would be unpleasant if it became a noiseroom with trolls all of a sudden. [18:48] schestowitz-TR Recording in a couple of mins. [18:48] bnchs__ i'm pretty sure a live stream with live IRC chat [18:48] bnchs__ operating for 2 hours [18:48] bnchs__ would have that kind of thing [18:49] schestowitz-TR FSF advertises Libera.Chat [18:49] schestowitz-TR which is run by some people who called RMS to resign [18:49] MinceR "come get cancelled with us" [18:49] schestowitz-TR that sort of channel and network might attract undesirable participants [18:49] schestowitz-TR RMS told me they did consider self-hosting IRC [18:49] schestowitz-TR but were already juggling some crises [18:50] schestowitz-TR and had considered the option [18:50] matey which is run by some people who called RMS to resign <- since this is lieplanet, maybe he will present them with a free software award [18:50] schestowitz-TR Freenode was a ticking time bomb at the time [18:50] schestowitz-TR They hardly got enough time to even inform people that they moved [18:50] schestowitz-TR IIRC, a message sent on Friday in their site [18:50] schestowitz-TR and then by Sunday the chaos started [18:51] schestowitz-TR Then on Monday they issued a more pressing thing to stress they had moved [18:51] matey Freenode was a ticking time bomb at the time <- the best way to avoid one disaster is to submit to a different one preemptively [18:51] schestowitz-TR leah was left in charge of their Freenode channels [18:51] matey freenode is obviously going to suck, lets go to nazichat instead! [18:52] matey leah was left in charge of their Freenode channels <- thats still better than liebere [18:52] batalie not really. at least libera.chat channels are stable and not subject to purge anytime rasengan wants to try out new server software [18:52] matey at least libera.chat channels are stable <- ah technical merit, the rallying cry of open source [18:53] *schestowitz-TR records [18:53] matey pay no attention to the thought police, they care about your freedom [18:53] batalie that's my main problem with freenode. you just wouldn't know if your channel would be there tomorrow [18:53] matey whereas with liebera, you dont know youll be banned in 5 minutes [18:53] matey but at least the channel will go on! [18:53] batalie lol whatever man [18:54] batalie i don't like the mods supporting rms cancellation either but have never had a problem [18:54] batalie with them personally [18:54] matey whatever man must be coded language for "im full of fucking shit and wont admit what everyone in this channel already knows" [18:54] batalie which is what? [18:54] matey oh boy [18:54] MinceR "stable", as in enduring netsplits all the time [18:56] *Redfoxmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [18:57] matey i dont blame rms for any of the bullshit we are about to witness [18:57] *Red (~Red@joseon-vq3.aj5.jaj210.IP) has joined #techrights [18:57] Red t [18:57] matey its not really rms [18:57] *Red is now known as Redfoxmoon [18:58] matey hes a manGNUrian candidate [18:58] batalie the massachusettsean candidate [18:59] MinceR as for the "whatabout freenode" thing, there are over 400 irc networks where neither rasengan nor bully deblanc's and neil mcgovern's little band of corporate outragists have any power [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 109.13 average k/sec., average swarm size 361.40 [18:59] psydruid Super RMS ● Apr 13 [19:00] batalie i wonder if he's ever considered running for office [19:00] batalie not the presidency [19:00] batalie some local thing [19:01] psydruid it's still the retro music for me [19:02] matey theyre actually violating the music license [19:02] matey theyre using by-sa in an nd-licensed work [19:02] matey its like using gpl in a non-free work [19:02] matey the cc0 they can use [19:02] matey but if they have permission they can do what they want [19:03] matey the irony being that by-sa is SUPPOSED to be a copyleft license that forces anyone using it to make the derivative work (like this talk) use a free license too [19:03] matey but rms is too clever for that [19:03] matey (i really hate rms on free culture issues, this isnt a big secret) [19:04] batalie i hate his obsession with cc-by-nd [19:04] batalie one of his only wrong points [19:04] matey yep, its crap [19:05] bnchs__ is it already getting trolled [19:05] matey back34 by tom peter cc-by-sa [19:06] matey a license not only inspired by, but compatible with, the gpl (as of version 4.0) and the rms talk is violating it [19:06] matey which bfd, but its just really great to see [19:07] matey the cc0 is definitely alright and the cc-by one i think is probably alright [19:07] matey but last i checked, sa means "sharealike" and thats not whats happening [19:07] psydruid the stream died [19:07] bnchs__ the stream started [19:08] psydruid no more music [19:08] psydruid there it is [19:09] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLqPnO7Cdeg [19:09] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=cLqPnO7Cdeg [19:09] TR Bot yewtu.be | Russia Holds A Yard Sale To Pay Back Its Debts - Invidious [19:09] matey i dont have my headphones on yet, is he sheepishly explaining the garish choice of shirt and url for this talk? [19:09] *techrights_guest|57 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [19:10] XRevan86 MinceR: Oh, it's the US references, lame. [19:10] psydruid it's an RMS impostor [19:10] bnchs__ psydruid, bathroom stall [19:11] psydruid a spokesbot [19:11] matey it's an RMS impostor <- hehehe [19:11] XRevan86 MinceR: Such missed opportunities as "Rogozin's Trampoline" [19:11] MinceR XRevan86: viewers wouldn't have got that, including me [19:12] bnchs__ we're literally watching a tedx event [19:12] bnchs__ ON THE LIVE STREAM [19:12] XRevan86 (it's actually an Elon Musk reference just as well) [19:12] bnchs__ he's playing a video instead [19:12] schestowitz-TR this s typical [19:12] matey i sure theyre staying away from any russian references as theyve all been banned by darpa [19:12] schestowitz-TR a lot of his talks since 2019 play that back [19:12] XRevan86 MinceR: https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/trampoline-space-russian-official-tells-nasa-take-flying-leap-n92616 [19:12] TR Bot Trampoline to Space? Russian Official Tells NASA to Take a Flying Leap [19:13] bnchs__ i'm playing the live stream with MPV [19:13] matey one small step for man [19:13] matey one flying leap for mankind [19:13] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: IRC is recoded at the moment [19:13] psydruid is this trolling? [19:13] matey no roy says they do this a lot [19:13] schestowitz-TR better not to shift attention to the war [19:13] MinceR :) [19:13] matey (which isnt a no, but im going to believe him for now) [19:13] matey DONT MENTION THE WAR! [19:13] matey i mentioned it a couple times but i think i got away with it [19:14] schestowitz-TR war on general-purpose computing?> [19:14] matey hello, i want to welcome YOUR WAR YOU WAR YOU-ALLLL [19:14] batalie i think he makes most people play this talk beforehand so that he doesn't get stupid questions [19:14] MinceR XRevan86: did no one tell rogozin that there are other space agencies with space launch capability, like the ESA? [19:14] matey the esa has space capability for now, but not if the epo can do anything about it [19:14] MinceR :> [19:15] schestowitz-TR it records RMS talking (TED) [19:15] schestowitz-TR you can comment on it [19:15] matey so weve got a prawn cocktail, a hermann goering, for cold meat salads [19:15] schestowitz-TR I won;t comment on his talking until it's the new (today's, live) talk [19:16] matey WOULD YOU STOP MENTIONING THE WAR [19:16] matey what? youre the one who started it! [19:16] matey no we didnt [19:16] MinceR what war? [19:16] matey yes you did, you invaded poland! [19:16] schestowitz-TR the talk he gave at TED (in the background) is fast-paced [19:16] matey mincer: its fawlty towers: the germans [19:16] schestowitz-TR due to time limitations [19:16] schestowitz-TR when he gives the talk later it'll be slower for sure [19:16] schestowitz-TR hence easier to respond to [19:17] matey later, like 16 minutes after the talk starts :) [19:17] matey 17 [19:17] matey its fine [19:17] matey i like that the eye of sauron is the nsa [19:17] schestowitz-TR I think the TED talk is shorter [19:18] schestowitz-TR amin bendali (bendali?) gave the intro [19:18] *ziraffep has quit (Quit) [19:18] schestowitz-TR he spoke about gopher, gemini etc. last month [19:18] schestowitz-TR I did not fully agree with some of what he said [19:18] matey they have to play the ted talk while they prep rms for the talk with leather belts and electrical shocks [19:18] schestowitz-TR he's not maintaining the fsd, free software dir [19:18] schestowitz-TR not free software def. [19:18] matey also ritual chanting [19:19] schestowitz-TR mike gerwitz stopped [19:19] schestowitz-TR I wonder is RMS will wear blue today. He has done this a lot since 2020 [19:19] batalie is there a significance to wearing blue? [19:19] batalie sorry for ignorance [19:19] schestowitz-TR maybe that PR consulting firm advised not to use red, who knows... [19:20] schestowitz-TR batalie: he used to wear lots of red and brown [19:20] matey the chart at 1:18 explains how theyve violated the license at the beginning of the stream [19:20] batalie oh right [19:20] schestowitz-TR "it's a cloooooud" -RMS [19:21] matey both ted and fsf logos are red so he can just say he matches [19:21] psydruid stream died? [19:21] psydruid oh, my internet died [19:21] schestowitz-TR apple loves roping users [19:21] schestowitz-TR in these graphics that he has in his slides [19:21] schestowitz-TR psydruid: it was done without much preparation [19:21] schestowitz-TR started about 10 mins late [19:21] schestowitz-TR and amin struggled to start the playback [19:22] schestowitz-TR they did rehearse, I am sure [19:22] matey in a dark room, strapped to a board [19:22] schestowitz-TR they cannot ensure he stays on script [19:22] schestowitz-TR but he would [19:22] matey they have ways... [19:22] schestowitz-TR ime, this is what makes q and a fun [19:22] schestowitz-TR unplanned things [19:22] schestowitz-TR but the admins, maye kooyman and others, can cherry-pick irc queries [19:23] bnchs__ matey: you're weird [19:23] schestowitz-TR and the selection defines what topics he covers [19:23] bnchs__ i mean weirdddd [19:23] schestowitz-TR plus, the people who signed the anti-rms letter, also weed out who can ask [19:23] matey yeah if someone goes GLORY TO VLADIMIR PUTIN! they can just go "um, next question?" [19:23] schestowitz-TR some people are already DENY-listed from Libera.Chat [19:23] schestowitz-TR oh, it's a broken record [19:23] matey well hes already got a diagram full of mains [19:24] matey not mains, whats the thing that mains are attached to [19:24] matey secondaries! [19:24] schestowitz-TR now they muted it [19:24] matey they muted him already [19:24] matey before hes even live [19:24] matey hes got a bunch of secondaries in his diagram [19:25] matey for the full ted talk, goto ted.elonmusk.com [19:25] matey formerly twitter [19:25] schestowitz-TR now you can see RMS [19:25] matey and we are back on [19:27] schestowitz-TR OK, I now have the sound on and the viceo showing next to IRC [19:28] schestowitz-TR the new talk will start in a ouple of minutes [19:28] schestowitz-TR *couple [19:28] schestowitz-TR IIRC, the TED talk is 14 mins long [19:28] schestowitz-TR they deem it his best for a general audience [19:29] schestowitz-TR OK, it is done [19:29] MinceR rip and tear, until it is done [19:30] psydroid2 he sounds like stephen hawking now [19:31] batalie lol he really does [19:31] matey its not sabotage its technical difficulties [19:31] bnchs__ he turned off the webcam [19:31] bnchs__ because choppy audio [19:32] batalie i couldn't understand a word he was saying before he turned it off [19:32] schestowitz-TR yes, seems like bandwidth limits [19:32] schestowitz-TR capacity thresholds [19:33] matey if the audio feed doesnt work out they can just stream the teleprompter [19:33] batalie i don't think i've ever heard him talk about retrocomputing before [19:33] matey retrocomputing is mostly nonfree [19:33] activelow modern computing is nonfree [19:33] activelow all of it [19:33] matey heh [19:34] batalie i think anyone using an x200 is retrocomputing at this point [19:34] bnchs__ lol [19:34] bnchs__ there's already trolls in #fsf [19:34] schestowitz-TR as one can expect [19:34] schestowitz-TR they advertised it [19:34] schestowitz-TR easlier I shows on audiocast [19:34] schestowitz-TR that libera was failing [19:34] schestowitz-TR you could not log in [19:35] schestowitz-TR and then the whole 'webapp' collapsed [19:35] schestowitz-TR even refreshing would not fix it [19:35] matey but its stable [19:37] bnchs__ lol already on 4chan [19:38] bnchs__ there's probably gonna be a stream of trolls [19:38] matey lots of things are getting worse [19:38] matey hes going to switch to being technical here [19:38] matey no politics [19:39] schestowitz-TR he refrained from saying "Russia" [19:39] schestowitz-TR or "Ukraine" [19:39] schestowitz-TR but it's clear what he was alluding to [19:39] schestowitz-TR and not "ethical" in the abstract [19:40] batalie yeah i think he made his point well [19:40] matey like they did to him before the talk [19:40] matey gnu linux doesnt need floppy support [19:40] MinceR it doesn't need an SMB server in the kernel either [19:41] matey true [19:41] MinceR it also doesn't need a massive NSA backdoor running in pid1 as root [19:42] matey ubuntu is non-free, tribuntu is free+systemd free/systemd [19:42] bnchs__ " who here from /g/?" [19:42] bnchs__ lol 4chan already raided [19:42] matey lp-attendee82751 <- this isnt lp [19:42] bnchs__ yeah [19:45] schestowitz-TR they used "children" to cancel RMS [19:45] schestowitz-TR he was alluding to Snap erlier\ [19:46] schestowitz-TR but he rarely names things [19:46] schestowitz-TR just the concepts [19:46] schestowitz-TR matey: see file name of webm [19:46] schestowitz-TR it says libreplanet [19:47] matey matey: see file name of webm it says libreplanet <- yes i was calling that a farce earlier [19:47] matey maybe every day is libreplanet! [19:48] schestowitz-TR it was quaint [19:48] bnchs__ wow [19:48] bnchs__ matey: are you in the liberachat channel [19:48] matey matey: are you in the liberachat channel <- not if they paid me [19:48] matey not if it was the last text chat on the internet [19:48] schestowitz-TR I am showing both in tadem [19:49] schestowitz-TR tandem [19:49] bnchs__ schestowitz-TR, yeah it's being filled with 4chan trolls [19:49] schestowitz-TR techrghts and fsf official [19:49] matey just the fact that im HERE and not there should speak volumes [19:49] schestowitz-TR it was predictable [19:49] matey yeah it's being filled with 4chan trolls <- cool that they can remove rms fans and let 4chan take over [19:49] matey stay classy, liebera [19:49] schestowitz-TR theycannot advertise only to well-intentioned people [19:49] schestowitz-TR 3k people still want to cancel him [19:51] matey 3k people still want to cancel him <- its more than 3k [19:51] matey some of those are organisations [19:51] *activelow couldn't graps yet why [19:51] activelow exactly what is rms accused of to justify this? [19:51] schestowitz-TR matey: so called [19:51] matey fair enough, but numerically... [19:52] schestowitz-TR "the liux experiment" is just some bloggeror vloger [19:52] schestowitz-TR lsted under orgs [19:52] schestowitz-TR *listed [19:52] matey hes not an org, hes a dude [19:52] matey yeah [19:52] matey pretty sure the eff is an org [19:52] matey or was [19:52] schestowitz-TR PAC [19:52] matey im aware of the linux nazi experiment [19:52] schestowitz-TR PACohn [19:52] batalie the linux nazi experiment? [19:52] matey jono PACohn? [19:53] schestowitz-TR he is already married to LF [19:53] schestowitz-TR and also Microsoft [19:53] schestowitz-TR among his 'clients' [19:54] matey everyone works for microsoft [19:54] matey some more than others [19:56] matey "you dont have to say no every time" this is like like what andy farnells book says [19:56] matey a lot like [19:56] matey farnell spoke with rms quite a lot over the past few years [19:56] schestowitz-TR farnell did the english article [19:56] schestowitz-TR with the polish student [19:58] schestowitz-TR #fsf being trolled [19:59] bnchs__ ofc it's being trolled [19:59] bnchs__ i knew this was gonna happen [19:59] schestowitz-TR different strategies there [19:59] schestowitz-TR society is like this ● Apr 13 [20:00] schestowitz-TR and corporate media eggs them on [20:00] schestowitz-TR oh dead [20:00] schestowitz-TR n word everywhere [20:00] matey big hand to liebera for demonstrating their shameless bias and double standards [20:00] matey shows what a farce liebera is [20:00] matey just using the trappings of tolerance to justify censorship of iconoclasts [20:01] schestowitz-TR the chat there will become about the trolling [20:01] batalie they were banned [20:01] schestowitz-TR if they are not careful [20:01] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/820745.png [20:01] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/820745.png https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/820745.png [20:02] leah matey: i only did that on a whim [20:02] schestowitz-TR hi leah [20:02] leah i quickly relinguished my op there [20:02] schestowitz-TR we are recording [20:02] schestowitz-TR an show irc [20:02] matey good to have you here leah [20:02] leah i was curious to see if it would happen [20:02] schestowitz-TR this channel and fsf too [20:02] leah what are you recording [20:03] schestowitz-TR sound and irc networks [20:03] schestowitz-TR in tadem [20:03] schestowitz-TR very improvsed [20:03] schestowitz-TR tandem [20:03] leah ok [20:03] leah i'm going to bed [20:03] schestowitz-TR i was planning to respond [20:03] leah was just checking out who pinged me [20:03] schestowitz-TR but he speaks too fast [20:03] schestowitz-TR no pauses [20:03] leah who does? [20:04] leah oh the rms thing [20:04] schestowitz-TR i saw you in fs [20:04] leah schestowitz-TR: do you know if the fsf will have recordings of that [20:04] schestowitz-TR you said you had not heard of this talk [20:04] leah i didn't know the talk was happening [20:04] leah i'm curious to see the whole speech [20:04] schestowitz-TR leah: i will upload after the talk [20:04] leah mostly because someone in fsf earlier asked rms about my microcode policy on osboot [20:05] leah and i wanna see what he said :) [20:05] leah schestowitz-TR: cheers. ping me when it's uploaded [20:05] matey im downloading it and i know roy will put it up later [20:05] schestowitz-TR it will be playable as soon asI stop recording [20:05] leah then i will go to sleep. ping me when the recording is up [20:06] schestowitz-TR i won't be processing it [20:07] schestowitz-TR just uplosf ehrn done [20:07] schestowitz-TR upload when done [20:07] schestowitz-TR i type on a distant laptop [20:07] schestowitz-TR hence tons of typos [20:08] XRevan86 https://youtu.be/g9BOyC37JGU What a nice Italian vlog (English subtitles). [20:08] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=g9BOyC37JGU [20:08] TR Bot yewtu.be | - Invidious [20:10] matey how much of what hes saying in this talk isnt covered by the eff? [20:10] matey reason i ask is something roy said a year ago [20:11] matey its not because i dont hate the eff [20:11] schestowitz-TR eff does not cover these issues [20:11] schestowitz-TR eff is politics [20:11] schestowitz-TR they pushed out s second cofounder [20:11] matey oh hes talking about co-pilot [20:11] matey but he wont say dont use github [20:11] schestowitz-TR afer barlow had died [20:12] matey yeah i know the one with the frog domain [20:12] schestowitz-TR matey: he MinceS words [20:12] matey oof [20:12] schestowitz-TR did not say Russia [20:12] schestowitz-TR or snaps [20:12] schestowitz-TR he named emacs 9and zoom [20:12] schestowitz-TR he is using mumble atm [20:13] matey rr mm ff, ffmmrr of the ff ff ff [20:14] schestowitz-TR we use mumble too [20:14] schestowitz-TR it is proper e2ee [20:14] matey i thought you were joking that he was mumbling about certain things instead of mentining by name [20:14] schestowitz-TR #fsf has many trolls still [20:14] matey but i know theres a program called mumble [20:14] schestowitz-TR many got k-lined [20:14] schestowitz-TR but s/n ratio still low [20:15] schestowitz-TR mumble is very good [20:15] schestowitz-TR we use that for techbytes [20:16] schestowitz-TR should i also record q and a? [20:16] matey he just said sometimes its good for the community to use a "weak pushover license" [20:16] matey this isnt a position i have an issue with, fsf justified such exceptions ages ago [20:16] schestowitz-TR cc [20:16] batalie i mean isn't that the lgpl [20:16] SomeH4x0r they fucking don't even know how IRC works [20:16] batalie the weak gnu license [20:16] SomeH4x0r K-line for network wide bans, full root access over all servers [20:16] matey lgpl is actually weak on one side, copyleft on the other [20:16] matey its weak for linking only [20:17] SomeH4x0r they are either stupid or malicious [20:17] matey and hes saying gcc has a linking exception [20:17] matey or gnu libc [20:17] activelow wasn't aware ordinary gpl expicitely forbids linking, which i needed to, to prevent misunderstandings [20:18] activelow *it [20:18] matey it only forbids linking non-free [20:18] matey and there are exceptions to this [20:19] matey your needs may not even violate this [20:19] batalie he gave us some soup puns [20:19] activelow where in the GPL2/3 license clause is linking non-free forbidden? [20:19] matey oh god [20:19] matey oh my god! [20:19] schestowitz-TR I've stopped ecording [20:20] schestowitz-TR he doesen't even know the incdient [20:20] schestowitz-TR a [20:20] matey just in time to miss the puns [20:20] schestowitz-TR or some context [20:20] schestowitz-TR the puns were not great [20:20] schestowitz-TR video ended [20:20] schestowitz-TR let me test it [20:20] batalie they were: what human bond is formed over soup? a: broth-erly love and 2: something about a cracker, with the answer being bisque it [20:21] activelow i mean, i respect if any license forbids linking free software with non-free; yet GPL2 does not forbid it to my knowledge, even if FSF or anyone else argued, the license text does _not_ contain any clause [20:22] matey the puns were not great <- i liked them [20:22] matey they were terrible [20:22] schestowitz-TR toital size 296mb [20:22] schestowitz-TR uploading [20:24] schestowitz-TR ok, the text is legible [20:24] schestowitz-TR also for #fsf [20:24] schestowitz-TR if you fullscreen it [20:25] schestowitz-TR 2 more hours for this upload [20:26] activelow "If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works." [20:27] matey yet GPL2 does not forbid it to my knowledge <- this is not a gpl 2 vs 3 issue [20:27] matey its gpl [20:27] matey it applies to both [20:28] activelow ^ this is exactly what package managers do, separating various libs and programs from each other, weakining any implicite linking issue with regards to this licenes, the GPL2 (and 3?) [20:28] schestowitz-TR I could upload it faster with rsync [20:28] schestowitz-TR but it would choke our network [20:28] schestowitz-TR I want to post some links in a moment [20:28] matey no rush [20:28] schestowitz-TR 120 mins (eta for post with video) [20:28] matey its a good mediocre predictable talk [20:28] matey nothing groundbreaking [20:28] batalie 4chan people spamming swastikas [20:28] schestowitz-TR the q and a started very poorly [20:29] matey swastikas are holy symbols co-opted by nazi shits [20:29] schestowitz-TR people asking about something he knows too little about (the story, not the issue in general) [20:29] bnchs__ yes [20:30] schestowitz-TR ironically a peace symbol [20:30] bnchs__ they're spreading swastikas like crazy [20:30] schestowitz-TR nazi germany was fast to invade countries [20:30] schestowitz-TR came to power 1933 [20:30] schestowitz-TR invading in 1939 [20:30] schestowitz-TR first they were busy with their "make german great again" [20:31] schestowitz-TR building tanks and blacklisting people [20:31] matey denylisting [20:32] activelow soviets built more tanks than germany, many more. [20:32] batalie /g/ is so annoying [20:33] batalie trolls like them impair his credibility with normal people [20:34] matey swastikas really arent different than chakras or yin yangs [20:34] TR News Almost 70% possession for Man City in this away game https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61086835 [20:35] matey krisha has one with 108 blades that seeks and destroys evil [20:35] TR Bot Atletico Madrid v Manchester City - BBC Sport [20:35] matey it would be cool if swastikas turned on nazis and i dont know [20:35] matey cut them up a bit [20:35] TR News RMS talk will be online in 2 hours (not livestream) [20:35] matey but i think its going to be a long wait, generally they just sit there, making people think its a nazi symbol [20:36] activelow context [20:36] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [20:36] matey context indeed [20:36] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [20:38] activelow with the "free software" i got here, the livestream is accessible; have to wait, what the fsf represents, what "state of free software" is for them. [20:38] activelow *is not [20:39] *psydroid2 doesn't see a reason to stop using swastikas [20:40] matey nah theyre cool [20:40] matey its about context [20:40] matey falun gong actually has permission to display them in germany where theyre banned [20:40] matey their flag has one [20:41] batalie i think they're rotated a different way when done like that [20:41] batalie i think it's called a manji [20:41] psydroid2 I think the nazis coopting them should be pointed out instead [20:41] matey yes [20:42] matey i think they're rotated a different way when done like that <- "real" historical / ancient swastikas are rotated both ways [20:42] *CrystalMath (~coderain@rb7v7rpzrtmzk.irc) has joined #techrights [20:43] matey theres even a very old jewish temple with swastikas all over the floor [20:43] matey in israel i think [20:43] matey (before 1948) [20:43] psydroid2 if swastikas were outlawed they should probably arrest my entire family [20:43] matey theyre banned in germany for obvious reasons [20:43] matey which i think is stupid [20:43] schestowitz-TR in germany nobody thinks of them mas peace symbols [20:43] matey the hammer and sickle is illegal to display in moldova i think [20:44] schestowitz-TR untless they're shrewd trolls [20:45] matey dont get me wrong, theyre certainly not peace symbols when nazis use them [20:45] matey though its like if 4chan finds a racist way to use the word "banana" [20:45] matey so we have to call them something else now? [20:45] matey thats what i think is silly [20:46] matey actually banana is a slur for asians [20:46] matey so there [20:46] matey if theyre "white on the inside" [20:46] matey like oreo as a slur for blacks who "act white" [20:46] matey or coconot for people who are brown... but... [20:48] psydroid2 outlaw bananas [20:48] psydroid2 and coconuts [20:48] matey theyre symbols of hate [20:49] XRevan86 Or radish for people who are Red (Communist) on the outside but White ("White movement") on the inside :P [20:49] matey /me tsks a giant statue of buddha with a swastika on his forehead [20:49] matey "racist!" [20:49] matey Or radish for people who are Red (Communist) on the outside but White ("White movement") on the inside <- clever [20:50] psydroid2 is he eating on the stream now? [20:51] matey i hope not [20:51] matey the jokes will write themselves :/ [20:51] matey in a way im glad he gives zero fucks [20:51] matey but then again [20:52] matey /me isnt listening to q&a now, still downloading it [20:53] batalie he is [20:53] batalie he says he couldn't resist eating some cashews he has [20:53] matey rofl [20:53] batalie kind of annoying [20:53] matey zero fucks [20:53] psydroid2 he could eat them after the talk [20:53] psydroid2 lol [20:54] psydroid2 I like cashews too, but not when I'm holding a talk [20:56] matey he could at least eat them away from the mic ffs [20:56] psydroid2 yeah [20:56] matey this is not as important as other things, but cmon [20:56] TR News GCompris 2.4 Release: Improved Data Efficiency Conserves Network Bandwidth, Saves Energy Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163685 [20:56] TR Bot GCompris 2.4 Release: Improved Data Efficiency Conserves Network Bandwidth, Saves Energy | Tux Machines [20:56] bnchs__ gnu/linucks [20:56] matey like hes got two working hands [20:56] bnchs__ i don't get over that [20:56] matey one can go over the mic just fine [20:56] psydroid2 gnu/cashews [20:57] bnchs__ ganooh/linucks [20:57] bnchs__ i cant get over that [20:57] matey actually kde 4 was worse about cashews [20:58] XRevan86 In Soviet Russia the KDE cashews were called toilet handles. [20:58] XRevan86 or flush handles more literally [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.78 k/sec., IPFS upstream 35.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 335.81 [20:59] matey i installed the thing to remove it [20:59] matey then i uninstalled kde ● Apr 13 [21:00] matey then i was never able to get it working again [21:00] matey too complex, nothing like kde 3.5 [21:00] matey which never failed me [21:00] psydroid2 the kde 4 panel would eat itself repeatedly [21:00] TR News MLOps Pipeline with MLFlow, Seldon Core and Kubeflow | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/mlops-pipeline-with-mlflow-seldon-core-and-kubeflow-pipelines Source: ubuntu [21:00] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/mlops-pipeline-with-mlflow-seldon-core-and-kubeflow-pipelines https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://ubuntu.com//blog/mlops-pipeline-with-mlflow-seldon-core-and-kubeflow-pipelines [21:00] TR Bot Pipeline with MLFlow, Seldon Core and Kubeflow | Ubuntu [21:00] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [21:00] schestowitz-TR leah: eta 1.5 hours [21:00] schestowitz-TR for the video [21:00] psydroid2 it was maddening, because that desktop was used in production [21:01] psydroid2 even late in the kde 4 cycle it would just disappear [21:01] TR News Amberol is Fab No-Frills Audio Player for GNOME Desktop Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163686 [21:01] TR Bot Amberol is Fab No-Frills Audio Player for GNOME Desktop | Tux Machines [21:01] psydroid2 it never happened to me, but it happened to others [21:01] matey as long as youre getting pinged: leah i dont think he mentioned osboot [21:02] schestowitz-TR could make the upload go twice as fast but ruin the connection for the whole house [21:02] matey yeah its not urgent [21:02] AdmFubar how wide of a connection do you have? [21:02] matey if he said something amazing id say fuck your connection [21:02] matey but thats not going to happen [21:02] TR News openSUSE Community Publishes Annual Survey Results - openSUSE News https://news.opensuse.org/2022/04/13/os-community-publishes-annual-survey-results/ Source: news [21:02] TR Bot openSUSE Community Publishes Annual Survey Results - openSUSE News [21:03] schestowitz-TR AdmFubar: upstream max 1MBit/sec [21:03] schestowitz-TR about 120KB [21:03] schestowitz-TR I use about 40 now [21:03] AdmFubar ick [21:03] schestowitz-TR we went through this last year, AdmFubar [21:03] schestowitz-TR the whole fibre experiment/blunder [21:03] AdmFubar yeah [21:04] AdmFubar wasn't sure what you have currently [21:05] matey you dont need fibre, just shove some leafy greens in the modem [21:06] matey maybe sprinkle some flax seed on it [21:06] *Skywave has quit (connection closed) [21:06] psydroid2 cashew fibre or fibre cashew? [21:07] TR News Archcraft 2022.04 Now Available to Download After Major Cleanup of Packages http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163621#comment-33337 [21:07] TR Bot Archcraft April Release Available | Tux Machines [21:07] psydroid2 we have the retromusic again [21:07] TR News Discover New Things on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Pre-release Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163687 [21:07] TR Bot Discover New Things on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Pre-release | Tux Machines [21:07] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@i8gtth78frzk8.irc) has joined #techrights [21:08] schestowitz funny how no one did that here [21:28] schestowitz-TR my upload is halfway there now [21:28] matey a fair one would make the points you just did [21:29] bnchs__ their ban record is probably off the charts [21:29] bnchs__ from that 4chan raid [21:29] schestowitz-TR it's accessible, but I don't want to advertise the URL until it's finished [21:30] bnchs__ https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/86490278 [21:30] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: 4channel.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/86490278 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/86490278 [21:30] TR Bot /g/ - Richard Stallman is going to give a talk about cur - Technology - 4chan [21:30] DaemonFC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rvu55DPWkU [21:30] TR Bot https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=-rvu55DPWkU [21:30] bnchs__ source of all the problems [21:30] TR Bot invidious.mutahar.rocks | Why Chrysler Makes the Worst Cars in America - Invidious [21:30] TR News Razer just launched a gorgeous new Linux laptop - but it's probably not for you http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163670#comment-33336 [21:30] TR Bot Razer and Lambda Team Up to Unveil a Linux Laptop for Deep Learning | Tux Machines [21:31] *gde33 (~gde33@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [21:34] matey i just realised rms has a short beard now [21:34] matey im so used to a long beard i didnt even notice [21:35] matey hes literally not a neckbeard. [21:38] matey whats next, short hair? [21:38] matey the beard is totally papa smurf [21:38] matey i mean papa smurfs okay [21:39] matey im sure people will prefer this [21:40] matey "Can you trust a man with a beard so long !!' <- moot now [21:40] schestowitz-TR maybe he'll shave it, hoping people will the leave it along [21:40] schestowitz-TR *alone [21:40] schestowitz-TR like the "professionalism" myth [21:40] schestowitz-TR "maybe if I play along..." [21:40] schestowitz-TR don't. [21:41] schestowitz-TR they don't dislike you for the bear. [21:41] schestowitz-TR or the toe. [21:41] schestowitz-TR the ideas is what they hate [21:41] schestowitz-TR they look for vices. [21:41] schestowitz-TR "dude, are you just jealous?" [21:42] schestowitz-TR "hey, are you making fun of the company for being run by an indian?" [21:42] schestowitz-TR "hey, are you making fun of the company for being run by a short/obese person?" [21:42] schestowitz-TR some people say Microsoft is loathed for being big [21:42] schestowitz-TR not for being corrupt [21:49] TR News Links 13/04/2022: TurnKey Linux 17.0 and High-End GNU/Linux Laptops | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/turnkey-linux/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/13/turnkey-linux/ [21:49] TR Bot Links 13/04/2022: TurnKey Linux 17.0 and High-End GNU/Linux Laptops | Techrights [21:49] TR News Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163693 [21:49] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [21:50] TR News Arduino News Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163694 [21:50] TR Bot Arduino News | Tux Machines [21:50] TR News The openSUSE Annual Survey and SLE* Plans Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163695 [21:50] TR Bot The openSUSE Annual Survey and SLE* Plans | Tux Machines [21:50] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163696 [21:50] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [21:53] matey the ideas is what they hate [21:53] matey yep [21:56] MinceR (cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/gpxcq1t.mp4 [21:56] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/gpxcq1t.mp4 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://i.imgur.com/gpxcq1t.mp4 [21:57] matey what he actually said about retrocomputing was [21:57] matey you could have as much fun doing something for free software and it would be more useful than doing retrocomputing [21:59] matey "you can have as much fun developing a free program that will do a job theres no free software for, as you could have by doing retrocomputer, and it will be a lot more useful" [21:59] matey s/retrocomputer/retrocomputing ● Apr 13 [22:04] DaemonFC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSwA-6CWY6U [22:04] TR Bot https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=zSwA-6CWY6U [22:04] TR Bot vid.puffyan.us | Here's Why Kias are Crap - Invidious [22:06] matey he mentions lack of 32bit support as a problem [22:07] matey particularly with ubuntu, which of course is what the trisquel poseurs rely on for a base [22:07] matey maybe trisquel will go 64-bit only, lovely [22:08] matey when i was using gnu/linux, i tended to ignore distros that didnt support 32 bit (which also runs nicely on 64bit machines without using as much ram) [22:08] matey maybe trisquel will go 64-bit only, lovely <- its possible they will find a way around this [22:09] activelow if rms did say this, then i sign the anti-rms letter [22:09] activelow "you can have as much fun developing a free program that will do a job theres no free software for, as you could have by doing retrocomputer, and it will be a lot more useful" [22:09] matey if you sign the rms letter it will hurt your credibility. the letter is mostly lies. [22:10] matey if you hate something rms said, its better to just say what you hate about him [22:10] matey i hate his obsession with by-nd [22:10] activelow or better to say, i'll write an own letter, with reasons then, why such "opinion" is brainf**king developers [22:10] MinceR it's funny because if we get a fully free computer, it will likely have similarities to retrocomputing [22:11] activelow the retrocomputing is the starting point, to get rid off the distraction and misnomer of what's sold as "free software" [22:11] matey yeah if we had more people doing retrocomputing, more people would probably care about supporting older hardware [22:12] matey then he goes and complains that people arent supporting older hardware [22:12] matey HELLO! [22:12] matey its like he thinks human nature has an optimised compiler or something. [22:12] matey and people can just do every little thing right without the stupid reasons they usually do the right thing [22:13] matey when people do the right thing they often have a stupid reason for it [22:13] matey and hes like first, get rid of every stupid reason [22:13] matey and then do the best thing without the reason you would have done it anyway! [22:13] activelow can't wait to listen to it myself, to avoid any misunderstanding [22:13] schestowitz-TR heh. rms isn't into retro, so I'll sign some microsoft shitpost about rms being transphobic [22:13] matey dont waste your time with retrocomputing, we need support for old mach... [22:14] MinceR don't waste your time with retrocomputing, instead you should focus on retrocomputing [22:14] matey dont waste your time with free culture, make sure youre game assets have free licenses. [22:15] matey and make sure that your works of opinion are locked down tight with nd, but NOT drm [22:15] matey because drm is bad but shitty licenses help people not twist your words into smear campaigns. [22:16] TR News "Skyjake has written about TUI Lagrange. So we will have: iOS, Android, Windows, MacOS, Linux (GUI) and Linux (TUI) versions." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi [22:16] matey sorry folks, this email is all rights reserved, i guess you cant take it out of... oh [22:16] matey (most emails are all rights reserved, even on public mailing lists) [22:16] matey when he pushes nd hes pushing mythology [22:17] SomeH4x0r do I need to add "this mail is public domain" into my signature? [22:17] TR News This time for real getting started with using that Palm IIIxe gemini://g.mikf.pl/gemlog/2022-04-13-palm.gmi [22:17] matey do I need to add "this mail is public domain" into my signature? <- only if you want it to be public domain [22:17] matey by default its under copyright [22:17] TR News antenna treats relative feed urls as absolute, at least when given a dir wo slash gemini://g.mikf.pl/gemlog/2022-04-13-antenna.gmi [22:18] SomeH4x0r I will die at some point, maybe soon, anyway. It would be good if someone reimplements my identity in a bot using whatever means, if they care of course. [22:18] matey nd really never stops abuse at all. like drm, it really only hinders honest reuse. [22:18] TR News I do not know what to think of GitLab gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/04/13/what-to-think-of-gitlab/ upselling. [22:18] activelow nd meaning what? [22:18] matey cc licenses that have the no-derivs (nd) clause [22:19] matey cc by-nd, cc by-nc-nd [22:19] matey there is no nd-sa because nd doesnt allow relicensing so that would be redundant [22:19] matey if you think cc has too many licenses, they used to have more [22:19] matey and they deprecated some for being useless [22:20] matey mike linksvayer (then vp, now github) proposed deprecating both nc and nc licenses, so cc would become a free culture org [22:20] matey of course that failed. fucking shame. fuck cc too. [22:20] SomeH4x0r copyright is evil and I don't want to be involved in it [22:20] matey i still use cc0, cc-by and cc-by-sa, all of which are free licenses [22:21] SomeH4x0r I want my stuff to be distributed freely without stupid laws [22:21] matey the talk today included a cc by-sa work in a talk licensed by-nd, which is a license violation (of a copyleft license) [22:21] schestowitz-TR haha [22:21] matey the talk violated a gpl-compatible, copyleft license. [22:21] schestowitz-TR ted non-derivs [22:21] SomeH4x0r I don't take legal actions anyway [22:22] matey I want my stuff to be distributed freely without stupid laws <- your best options are cc0 or 0-clause bsd [22:22] SomeH4x0r and I would be annoyed if someone goes to jail because of some random code with wrong LICENSE file [22:22] schestowitz-TR I'll have the talk ready in 30 mins [22:22] schestowitz-TR leah asked foe eta [22:22] SomeH4x0r what about WTFPL? [22:22] SomeH4x0r it lacks public domain attempt though [22:22] matey wtfpl is a really stupid propaganda license [22:22] SomeH4x0r meaning de jure still copyrighted afaik [22:23] matey which is nontheless gpl compatible [22:23] TR News Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163697 [22:23] TR Bot Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [22:23] matey if you want it to be public domain your best bet is cc0 [22:23] matey by default it puts everything in the public domain [22:24] matey in finland thats not possible, so it gives the equivalent of public domain [22:24] TR News The Encyclopedia of Light The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/the-encyclopedia-of-light/ Source: publicdomainreview [22:24] TR Bot The Encyclopedia of Light The Public Domain Review [22:25] SomeH4x0r anyway, recently I was sending emails across three email addresses in hope of connecting the people together for working on similar stuff [22:25] SomeH4x0r and also to unrelated people for data backups [22:26] matey SomeH4x0r you can probably just put this in your sig: [22:26] matey License: http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ [22:26] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: creativecommons.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ [22:26] TR Bot Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal [22:26] matey that should do it [22:27] matey its an actual public domain waiver [22:27] matey so unless they make it illegal to waive copyright, youre making it public domain-- no restrictions of any sort [22:27] SomeH4x0r I don't think these links are good idea. One day CC dies and the domain name gets acquired by unknown entity. [22:28] matey the actual license text is better [22:28] matey and much longer [22:28] matey you could also use the public domain dedication wikipedia has used before [22:28] matey its 2 or 3 lines of text and similar in effect to cc0, if less robust [22:29] SomeH4x0r do the cybersquatters get legal power over the licenses if they get the domain name? [22:29] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:30] SomeH4x0r I also dislike "or any later version" in GPL, because FSF is under attack for a long time. [22:30] matey https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Donate_to_the_public_domain [22:30] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: wikimedia.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Donate_to_the_public_domain https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Donate_to_the_public_domain [22:30] TR Bot Commons:Donate to the public domain - Wikimedia Commons [22:31] matey "I, the copyright holder of this work, release this work into the public domain. This applies worldwide. In some countries this may not be legally possible; if so: I grant anyone the right to use this work for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law." [22:31] SomeH4x0r what if M$ takes over M$ and issues GPLv4 allowing abuse? [22:31] matey as an alternative to the cc0 link, you could use that text instead. [22:31] matey what if M$ takes over M$ and issues GPLv4 allowing abuse? <- i still consider this a remote, if increasingly valid concern. [22:31] matey but it is increasingly valid [22:31] schestowitz-TR Microsoft is not gettingf stronger [22:32] schestowitz-TR it only pretends [22:32] SomeH4x0r whoever else [22:32] schestowitz-TR but Microsoft isn't the only GPL hater, either [22:32] schestowitz-TR so GPL can come under attacks by others [22:32] schestowitz-TR EUPL [22:33] TR News "Registration (in-person) is offered at the early price of $850 through April" to watch a webstream??? https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-linux-foundation-announces-1st-round-of-keynote-speakers-for-open-source-summit-north-america-2022-301525158.html [22:33] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: prnewswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-linux-foundation-announces-1st-round-of-keynote-speakers-for-open-source-summit-north-america-2022-301525158.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-linux-foundation-announces-1st-round-of-keynote-speakers-for-open-source-summit-north-america-2022-301525158.html [22:33] TR Bot The Linux Foundation Announces 1st Round of Keynote Speakers for Open Source Summit North America 2022 [22:34] TR News rest of this article" /> [22:34] TR News Upcoming FSF Workshops Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163698 [22:34] TR Bot Upcoming FSF Workshops | Tux Machines [22:39] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjzGQfFgtXk [22:39] TR Bot https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=pjzGQfFgtXk [22:39] TR Bot inv.bp.mutahar.rocks | Spanish Radio | Gabriel Iglesias - Invidious [22:42] matey he makes it very clear in this talk that a travel agent (who already uses non-free software) using free software for you is NOT the same as using non-free software yourself [22:43] matey its better to have fewer people using non-free software, even if theyre using it for more people [22:43] matey or in terms that are easier to not scratch your head at [22:43] XRevan86 MinceR: He's good at doing voices. [22:43] matey its better to have 100 iphones in operation than 1000 iphones in operation [22:44] matey but he makes very clear this is his position [22:44] XRevan86 MinceR: He said he didn't vote in president elections. Why the heck not? [22:44] matey so if there are 10 people sharing one iphone thats better than 10 people with an iphone apiece [22:44] XRevan86 Heck, even I did every time I could, and that shit was doomed from the start. [22:45] matey /me can impersonate stallman while talking and singing [22:45] MinceR \_()_/ [22:45] matey JOIN US NOW AND STEAL THE SOFTWARE [22:45] TR News 651 COVID-19 Deaths Reported in the UK Today (63.4% Increase This Past Week Alone) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/13/covid19-death-toll/ [22:45] TR Bot Blog Archive 651 COVID-19 Deaths Reported in the UK Today (63.4% Increase This Past Week Alone) [22:45] matey /me has sung the free software song outside the fsf office [22:46] matey (they were closed that day) [22:46] MinceR well, if people avoid using the proprietary travel agent software, that might send the message that that software is undesirable to use :> [22:46] matey (it was the only day i could go, so i thought what the hell, maybe someone will be there anyway) [22:46] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:46] matey if people avoid using the proprietary travel agent software, that might send the message <- yeah [22:46] matey its still better to not use it at all [22:47] schestowitz-TR eta 11 mins [22:47] bnchs__ in his talk? [22:47] bnchs__ in this talk* [22:47] schestowitz-TR i upload it [22:47] schestowitz-TR with our commentary etc. [22:47] bnchs__ chat history too? [22:48] schestowitz-TR yes, it is shown [22:48] matey rms says that freeing society is the bigger goal [22:48] bnchs__ yes [22:48] matey and freeing yourself is something you can work on doing right now [22:48] bnchs__ even with the swastikas [22:48] bnchs__ and "nigger" walls [22:48] matey so until the travel agents use free software [22:48] bnchs__ leave them in [22:48] matey its better to have the travel agent use non-free software while you refuse to use it yourself [22:49] matey and when you do that, thats one more person using less free software [22:51] matey he clarifies that if your friend is trying to quit using non-free software, theyre not the ones you should ask to do it for you (this is obvious, but at least its clear) [22:51] matey its funny how similar this is to the idea of a shabbas goy. [22:52] *mimorek (~mimorek@trhncgdin767n.irc) has joined #techrights [22:52] schestowitz-TR haha, true [22:52] matey in orthodox judaism you cant operate light switches because it violate the prohibition of making fire on shabbas [22:52] schestowitz-TR didn't see the irony [22:52] matey but you can have any member of the goyim do it for you! because theyre not prohibited [22:52] schestowitz-TR "using proprietary stuff us unethical" [22:52] schestowitz-TR "so please do this for me" [22:52] schestowitz-TR *is [22:53] schestowitz-TR 5 mins [22:55] MinceR :> [22:56] matey "using proprietary stuff us unethical" <- its important to note that he doesnt say using non-free software is unethical [22:56] matey WRITING and PUBLISHING non-free software is unethical [22:57] schestowitz-TR ah, fair point [22:57] matey using non-free software mainly hurts the person doing it [22:57] matey hurting yourself isnt as much of an ethical issue, though its not recommended [22:57] matey so if someone is already doing that to themselves, asking them to do it for you isnt necessarily any worse [22:58] matey like the travel agent hasnt made any committment to get away from non-free software, so they can be the software goy [22:58] schestowitz-TR 20 secs [22:58] schestowitz-TR the tidying up a bit [22:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 53.25 average k/sec., average swarm size 353.10 ● Apr 13 [23:03] TR News Video of Richard Stallmans Belated LibrePlanet 2022 Talk (With Commentary) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-libreplanet-2022-and-irc/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-libreplanet-2022-and-irc/ [23:03] TR Bot Video of Richard Stallmans Belated LibrePlanet 2022 Talk (With Commentary) | Techrights [23:03] schestowitz-TR leah: ^ [23:06] matey when its it possible to convert a cracker into a soup [23:06] matey when its a bisque kit :P [23:07] matey can you comment on the node ipc thing [23:07] matey he isnt familiar [23:08] matey im not familiar either unless theyre talking about the "protestware" thing that attacked users [23:08] schestowitz-TR then he rightly explains he's rather not comment [23:08] matey yes [23:08] schestowitz-TR *he'd [23:09] schestowitz-TR too busy reading bill's guardian [23:09] schestowitz-TR and theor vaccine macrketing [23:09] matey unfortunately he thinks its a category of issue, rather than a single event [23:09] matey so his suggestion is technically useless [23:10] mimorek what happened to the colour in the videos? [23:10] matey the colour? [23:11] mimorek yes on techrights.org/videos [23:11] mimorek The latest posts are in gray [23:11] matey minute later he comments on the node ipc attack [23:12] matey The latest posts are in gray <- ah, thanks [23:12] matey "i think that was really nasty" is his take on node ipc attack [23:12] mimorek http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-libreplanet-2022-and-irc/ <- This one too [23:12] matey im inclined to agree [23:12] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:13] matey "its not as if this was being done to a war criminal, you know. it could be anybody in russia!" [23:13] matey "it could be anybody in belarus" [23:13] matey "so that was not a good thing to do " [23:14] DaemonFC MinceR, I grabbed the last three cans of Gumout Multi-System from Walmart's site. For some reason you just can't find it now. [23:15] DaemonFC I'm going to run a can in each tank for the next three tanks and see if that can clean up some of the crud in the engine from when that lady had the car sitting so I don't need a high pressure fuel system cleaner that the car runs on. [23:15] DaemonFC Too much work or money. [23:15] DaemonFC I just put new iridium plugs and new spark plug wires on it. [23:15] DaemonFC That woke it up. [23:16] DaemonFC That alternator looks like, almost brand new. [23:16] DaemonFC I'm wondering if the original failed and someone's already replaced it. [23:16] DaemonFC It's a Delco alternator but it looks new. [23:17] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I figured out what's causing the electrical glitch in the Impala. It's a corroded fuse box. The part's like $500. [23:17] DaemonFC But the starter motor is growling sometimes. So it's going to need a rebuilt starter motor shortly. [23:18] matey using non-free software isnt unethical, but many users pressuring each other to use non-free software isnt something you should do [23:18] matey ^ from the q&a [23:18] matey regarding games that people play online [23:18] DaemonFC using non-free software isnt unethical, but many users pressuring each other to use non-free software isnt something you should do [23:19] matey daemonfc: im relaying things from the rms talk [23:19] DaemonFC Using non-free software _is_ unethical if it produces data output that can only be used with non-free software. [23:19] matey Using non-free software _is_ unethical if it produces data output that can only be used with non-free software. <- interesting [23:19] DaemonFC Because that puts the non-free software at an advantage, being that you need the software to read the data again. [23:19] matey whats an example of data that can only be used with non-free software? [23:19] matey sure [23:20] DaemonFC Correctly? For sure? Microsoft Office formats. [23:20] matey hmm [23:20] DaemonFC The only decent quality AAC coder is Apple's and proliferating the format will pressure people to use the best encoder for their own files, and install iTunes. [23:20] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: I expect to be back tomorrow) [23:21] DaemonFC RAR files aren't documented and The Unarchiver is no longer Free software. [23:21] matey yeah ive hated rar forever [23:21] matey the main feature seems to be incompatibility [23:21] matey there might be some gains in compression that probably arent even relevant anymore [23:21] DaemonFC Various media codecs have Free software implementations, but further pressure users into paying for patent licenses and product that use those patents. [23:23] matey a pushover license doesnt do harm, it just fails to to do good [23:23] matey ^ q&a [23:24] matey s/to to/to [23:24] bnchs__ unrar is non-free [23:27] TR News Atletico Brutes. Out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yPPBPzMl4s [23:27] TR Bot https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=8yPPBPzMl4s [23:27] TR Bot ( status 500 @ https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=8yPPBPzMl4s ) [23:27] schestowitz-TR gulagtube drm? [23:28] schestowitz-TR "The uploader has not made this video available in your country" [23:28] schestowitz-TR LOL [23:28] DaemonFC https://www.facebook.com/reel/5144988592219423/?s=ifu [23:28] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://m.facebook.com/reel/5144988592219423/?s=ifu&_rdr ) [23:28] schestowitz-TR 'corporate 4chan' UIRL [23:28] *CrystalMath has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:29] TR News xkcd: Weird Unicode Math Symbols https://xkcd.com/2606/ Source: xkcd [23:29] TR Bot Weird Unicode Math Symbols [23:29] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2606/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://xkcd.com/2606/ [23:29] TR News Means of more surveillance https://www.maketecheasier.com/imei-number/ [23:30] TR Bot Everything You Should Know About Your IMEI Number - Make Tech Easier [23:30] TR News Emacs Has Builtin Chat :) Those Other IDEs Dont :( - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=UCIp2mY5Qyk Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [23:30] TR Bot Emacs Has Builtin Chat :) Those Other IDEs Don't :( - Invidious [23:30] matey "The uploader has not made this video available in your country <- the first time i saw this i deleted my account [23:30] MinceR s/IDEs/OS-es/ [23:31] MinceR FTFY [23:31] TR News Shill? Valve-paid? A dock, a charging cradle, and more! 3D printing your Steam Deck accessories! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6surEoZ6lY0 Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [23:31] TR Bot A dock, a charging cradle, and more! 3D printing your Steam Deck accessories! - Invidious [23:31] schestowitz-TR MinceR: stop being from this country!!! [23:31] schestowitz-TR (geoblocking) [23:32] schestowitz-TR all about business model of discrimination [23:32] matey just another thing to hate about hungary [23:32] matey "it cant view this video i want to see either" [23:32] schestowitz-TR or-BANNED [23:33] matey The uploader has not made this video available unless you shell out additional money for a VPN. [23:33] TR News Lumencraft blends top-down shooting, Tower Defense and a destructible environment | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/lumencraft-blends-top-down-shooting-tower-defense-and-a-destructible-environment/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games [23:33] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/lumencraft-blends-top-down-shooting-tower-defense-and-a-destructible-environment/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/lumencraft-blends-top-down-shooting-tower-defense-and-a-destructible-environment/ [23:33] TR Bot blends top-down shooting, Tower Defense and a destructible environment | GamingOnLinux [23:34] TR News "No Man's Sky, a Steam Deck Verified title that also works great on Linux desktops with Steam Play Proton recently got another massive free update." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/no-mans-sky-got-a-huge-outlaws-update-and-works-well-on-steam-deck/ [23:34] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/no-mans-sky-got-a-huge-outlaws-update-and-works-well-on-steam-deck/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/no-mans-sky-got-a-huge-outlaws-update-and-works-well-on-steam-deck/ [23:34] TR Bot Man's Sky got a huge 'Outlaws' update and works well on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux [23:34] TR News Gulag free-riding the devs https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/google-detail-more-on-how-steam-on-chrome-os-works-with-linux/ gulag for profit. [23:34] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/google-detail-more-on-how-steam-on-chrome-os-works-with-linux/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/google-detail-more-on-how-steam-on-chrome-os-works-with-linux/ [23:34] TR Bot detail more on how Steam on Chrome OS works with Linux | GamingOnLinux [23:36] TR News "Welcome to another Godot showcase interview! This time, we interviewed Leszek Nowak from 2DynamicGames about their latest release Lumencraft." https://godotengine.org/article/godot-showcase-2dynamic-games-lumencraft [23:36] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: godotengine.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://godotengine.org/article/godot-showcase-2dynamic-games-lumencraft https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://godotengine.org/article/godot-showcase-2dynamic-games-lumencraft [23:36] TR Bot Godot Engine - Godot Showcase - Lumencraft developer talks about his experience [23:37] TR News A couple of hours ago the talk/speech of Richard Stallman had ended (the Q&A sessions as well) and we uploaded a video that contains the whole talk (sans the Q&A) with IRC commentary http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-libreplanet-2022-and-irc/ [23:37] TR Bot Video of Richard Stallmans Belated LibrePlanet 2022 Talk (With Commentary) | Techrights [23:41] matey stallman has written a manual for gnu c [23:41] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/13/cute-spiders/ [23:41] -AltLink_b60/#techrights- CloudFlare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/13/cute-spiders/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/04/13/cute-spiders/ [23:41] TR Bot 35 Cute Spiders That Even An Arachnophobe Would Like [23:45] matey businesses will direct you towards wasteful consumption [23:45] matey and if they have less control over you, then you can stay away [23:45] matey ^ from the q&a [23:45] matey also true if you make gnu less bloated [23:46] matey then you can compile it faster (and run it more nicely) on older machines, instead of just getting the latest one [23:47] matey he claims trisquel is derived directly from debian, but i dont think thats true [23:47] matey its derived from ubuntu, not debian [23:48] matey and if its derived from debian directly, it doesnt include sysvinit as an option (but i think debian does) [23:48] matey when trisquel was (is) ubuntu-based, you could replace systemd with upstart [23:48] matey ubuntu no longer has upstart, nor does trisquel [23:49] matey maybe trisquel is moving to debian because of snap or something, but i havent heard about this (and i doubt it) [23:49] matey oh i misheard [23:49] matey he didnt say "derived directly" [23:49] matey he said "derived INdirectly" [23:55] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [23:57] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:57] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:58] matey so the lieplanet safe space policy jurisdiction applies to ALL PUBLIC fsf events [23:58] matey not just lieplanet [23:58] matey which includes this streaming talk rms does [23:59] matey so i suppose the kind guidelines are for internal/mailing list use only [23:59] bnchs__ lol [23:59] bnchs__ safe space policy [23:59] bnchs__ didn't prevent the 4chan trolls