●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, May 13, 2022 ●● ● May 13 [00:00] bnchs JHey, it's schestowitz's bots [00:00] bnchs and well he's the creator and owner of techrights [00:00] bnchs you can /ignore them if you want [00:00] TR News NVIDIA open source video drivers for Linux kernel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164748#comment-33644 [00:00] TR Bot NVIDIA Releases Open-Source GPU Kernel Modules | Tux Machines [00:03] Skywave Cryostat lmao i recalled Cryostasis the game. [00:04] JHey NVIDIA Releases Open-Source GPU Kernel Modules | Tux Machines thats yesterdays news [00:06] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:06] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:06] TR News Formalities Officers Team Managers at Europes second-largest institution face a growing list of issues; some are even considering stepping down, according to internal documents http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/epo-formalities-officers-team-managers/ [00:06] TR Bot Formalities Officers Team Managers at the European Patent Office Consider Stepping Down | Techrights [00:06] TR News Sinking quality of European Patents [1, 2], plus a Patent Granting Process that is not compliant with the law, quite likely mean the EPO drives straight into a wall; the Central Staff Committee is still trying to save the institution, but management is uncaring and unresponsive http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/epo-management-trashes-the-epo/ [00:06] TR Bot Central Staff Committee of the EPO Reminds the EPOs Management, Yet Again, That It is Breaking Laws | Techrights [00:06] TR News Were meant to think that patents not sharing are going to save the world http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/epo-misframing/ [00:06] TR Bot [Meme] Yes, Minister, Yes! | Techrights [00:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #techrights [00:12] TR News Harriss List of Covent-Garden Ladies (17571795) The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/harris-list-of-covent-garden-ladies/ Source: publicdomainreview [00:12] TR Bot Harriss List of Covent-Garden Ladies (17571795) The Public Domain Review [00:13] TR News #KeepItOn for peace and democracy in Sudan, Yemen, and Tajikistan https://www.accessnow.org/keepiton-for-peace-and-democracy-in-sudan-yemen-and-tajikistan/ Source: accessnow [00:13] TR Bot #KeepItOn for peace and democracy in Sudan, Yemen, and Tajikistan [00:14] TR News Alexander in the Bathysphere The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/alexander-bathysphere/ Source: publicdomainreview [00:14] TR Bot Alexander in the Bathysphere The Public Domain Review [00:15] TR News "Improper Removal of Sensitive Information Before Storage or Transfer, Inadequate Encryption Strength, Missing Authentication for Critical Function, Injection, Improper Input Validation" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-102-04 [00:16] TR Bot Mitsubishi Electric GT25-WLAN (Update A) | CISA [00:17] TR News "The developers of the Rust language warned about the identification of the rustdecimal package in the crates.io repository , which contains malicious code." Outsourcing to Microsoft. Feeling lucky, PUNK? https://linuxstoney.com/malicious-rustdecimal-package-found-in-crates-io-rust-repository/ [00:17] TR Bot rustdecimal package found in crates.io Rust repository - LinuxStoney [00:18] *JHey has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [00:20] TR News Massively overhyped. Just don't open malicious files from untrusted sources. This is universally a principle. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-132-03#main-content "Do not click web links or open unsolicited attachments in email messages." [00:20] TR Bot Inkscape in Industrial Products | CISA [00:21] TR News Clownify the buzzwords? https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/practical-solution-cloudify-network-edge-why-containers-white-box-devices-and-sd-wan-are-ideal [00:21] TR Bot A practical solution to cloudify the network edge: Why containers, white-box devices and SD-WAN are ideal [00:22] TR News San Francisco Police Are Using Driverless Cars as Mobile Surveillance Cameras https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7dw8x/san-francisco-police-are-using-driverless-cars-as-mobile-surveillance-cameras Source: vice [00:22] TR Bot San Francisco Police Are Using Driverless Cars as Mobile Surveillance Cameras [00:23] TR News Microsoft Windows https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-132-09 "The Tiff_Loader.dll is vulnerable to infinite loop condition while parsing specially crafted TIFF files." [00:23] TR Bot Siemens JT2GO and Teamcenter Visualization | CISA [00:25] TR News Distributed platforms vs. complexity gemini://degrowther.smol.pub/20220512_distributed_complexity [00:25] *guysoft42 has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) [00:26] TR News My Name on Mars gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202205/20220512-my-name-on-mars.gmi [00:28] TR News 27 Rights Groups Demand Zoom Abandon 'Invasive,' and 'Inherently Biased' Emotion Recognition Software https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2022/05/27-rights-groups-demand-zoom-abandon-invasive-and-inherently-biased-emotion-recognition-software/ Source: gizmodo [00:28] TR Bot 27 Rights Groups Demand Zoom Abandon 'Invasive,' and 'Inherently Biased' Emotion Recognition Software [00:29] TR News It's all about mass manipulation of people and power over people https://www.accessnow.org/elon-musk-twitter-letter/ [00:29] TR Bot Money talks: Twitters financial backers must use their power to mitigate risks of Musk takeover - Access Now [00:30] TR News ICBM: "From the first lockdown to todays slow and strategic reopening, industry conditions have been anything but favorable or predictable. For this reason, leaders should take a targeted approach to managing hybrid work systems." https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/5/hybrid-work-best-practices-times-uncertainty [00:30] TR Bot Hybrid work: Best practices in times of uncertainty | The Enterprisers Project [00:31] TR News Nest with Fedora: Call for proposals and sponsors - Fedora Community [sic] Blog https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/nest-2022-cfp/ Source: ICBM [00:31] TR Bot Nest with Fedora: Call for proposals and sponsors Fedora Community Blog [00:32] *goosestepping_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:32] TR News [LINUX PATCH 0/2] Add Xilinx DSI-Tx DRM driver - Venkateshwar Rao Gannavarapu https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/1652363593-45799-1-git-send-email-venkateshwar.rao.gannavarapu@xilinx.com/ Source: xilinx [00:32] TR Bot [LINUX PATCH 0/2] Add Xilinx DSI-Tx DRM driver - Venkateshwar Rao Gannavarapu [00:35] TR News This is not a backdoor. It's something put on already-compromised machines. This is a distraction from actual backdoors and Windows. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/bpfdoor-stealthy-linux-malware-bypasses-firewalls-for-remote-access/ [00:35] TR Bot BPFdoor: Stealthy Linux malware bypasses firewalls for remote access [00:37] TR News IBM/Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164789 [00:37] TR Bot IBM/Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:38] TR News Improved Process Isolation in Firefox 100 - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/05/improved-process-isolation-in-firefox-100/ Source: Mozilla [00:38] TR Bot Improved Process Isolation in Firefox 100 - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog [00:38] TR News "Trailing dots on host names in URLs is the gift that keeps on giving. Let me take you through a dwindling story of how the dot is handled differently in different places through the stack of an Internet client. The evil trailing dot." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/05/12/a-tale-of-a-trailing-dot/ [00:38] TR Bot tale of a trailing dot | daniel.haxx.se [00:39] TR News "Congratulations to Rust for its first (but not its last) supply-chain attack this week! They join a growing club of broken-by-design package managers which publish packages uploaded by vendors directly" https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/12/Supply-chain-when-will-we-learn.html [00:39] TR Bot When will we learn? [00:44] TR News http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/libreoffice-7-2-7/ [00:45] TR Bot Links 12/05/2022: AlmaLinux OS 8.6 and LibreOffice 7.2.7 | Techrights [00:45] MinceR (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/6uNTEvK.mp4 [00:45] TR News PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL 14.3, 13.7, 12.11, 11.16, and 10.21 Released! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164791 [00:45] TR Bot PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL 14.3, 13.7, 12.11, 11.16, and 10.21 Released! | Tux Machines [00:46] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164790 [00:46] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:46] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164792 [00:46] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [00:46] TR News Links 12/05/2022: AlmaLinux OS 8.6 and LibreOffice 7.2.7 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/12/libreoffice-7-2-7/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/12/libreoffice-7-2-7/ [00:51] *goosestepping_ (~goosestepping@fwdae2eds5whc.irc) has joined #techrights [00:51] *matey (~matey@3fwq6apsn2jv4.irc) has joined #techrights [00:58] bnchs "Log in to Gerrit code review. You currently need a Github account for logging in." [00:58] bnchs bruh [00:58] bnchs no way [00:58] bnchs no got-dang way [00:58] matey lol [00:58] bnchs no motherfucking got-dang way i need a GITHUB TO ACCESS A GERRIT INSTANCE [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 13.83 average k/sec., average swarm size 505.85 [00:59] matey this comes as no surprise ● May 13 [01:00] matey this sort of tie-in has nothing to do with free software [01:00] matey its pure open source [01:00] matey "dove, 100$ pure" [01:00] matey pure soap [01:00] matey whats soap? its n% this, x% that... [01:01] matey but if you add all the ingredients together, its 100% something [01:01] matey (and what isnt?) [01:02] matey like the roads are made of 100% pure road [01:02] matey ive never seen a road that wasnt made entirely of road [01:03] *bnchs has quit (connection closed) [01:05] matey taco bell is made with 100% real all natural sawdust [01:05] *AndroUser (~androirc@freenode-e0gkms.3nt3.4m9t.7q9g0n.IP) has joined #techrights [01:05] AndroUser hello [01:05] matey its carbon-based, so its even organic sawdust [01:05] matey it might even be kosher [01:06] matey i mean, the sawdust. certainly not the meat they add to it [01:06] matey /me sees if they have a kosher taco bell in israel [01:07] MinceR not even pure open source, more like open core [01:07] matey www.vrg.org/blog/2014/08/08/taco-bell-ingredient-update/ [01:07] matey Taco Bell's nutritionist added this comment about their cheese enzymes: Today, due to the need for Kosher cheese and the cost of using animal sources, genetically engineered coagulants are used. The genetically engineered chymosin is derived from a modified strain of the dairy yeast Kluyveromyces lactis. [01:07] *bnchs (~bnchs@xjb4h7za4n7nw.irc) has joined #techrights [01:07] matey mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [01:08] matey yeast INCEPTION [01:08] matey yeast(yeast(yeast())) [01:09] matey not to be confused with yeats [01:09] matey if you add yeats to hopps, you just get drunken poetry [01:10] matey "kluyveromyces lactis you get down here right now!" [01:10] matey "aww mom, what is it?" [01:10] *bnchs has quit (Quit: Disappearing) [01:10] matey "youve been coagulating cheese again, havent you?" [01:11] matey "no, i swear" [01:11] matey "if ive told you once ive told you a MILLION times, DONT EXAGGERATE" [01:12] matey not even pure open source, more like open core <- nel blu dipinto de blu [01:13] matey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_blu,_dipinto_di_blu_(song) [01:13] TR Bot Nel blu, dipinto di blu (song) - Wikipedia [01:14] matey "have you been to the palace?" [01:14] matey "no, no i havent" [01:15] matey "oh, you must, you must! it wont be there much longer, you know-- they are cleaning it!" [01:16] activelow nnn sucks... won't need this [01:17] activelow still lured into non-*nix thinking [01:17] activelow need to clear my mind, what's necessary, and what isn't [01:18] matey www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/monarchy-could-be-on-its-last-legs-by-2030-once-the-queen-is-not-on-the-throne-a6967066.html [01:18] matey The British monarchy could be on its "last legs" by 2030, a historian has suggested. Dr Anna Whitelock, a reader in early modern history at Royal Holloway in London, said support for the monarchy... [01:18] matey what i like even more than that is the very next link in the search results :) [01:19] matey Oh, the Places You'll Go! Quotes by Dr. Seuss - Goodreads [01:19] matey www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/2125304-oh-the-places-you-ll-go [01:19] matey "And when you're alone, there's a very good chance you'll meet things that scare you right out of your pants. There are some, down the road between hither and yon, that can scare you so much you won't want to go on. But on you will go though the weather be foul. On you will go though your enemies prowl. [01:20] matey higgledy piggledy wiggledy too, i guess the queen will soon be through. king chuck bit off too much to chew, oh dear, says one, what shall one do? [01:22] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JwEu3Wb1hM4 [01:22] TR Bot Eminem Disses Christmas (Killshot Remix) (PARODY) - Invidious [01:29] matey https://en.mediamass.net/people/bruno-mars/deathhoax.html Some fans have expressed anger at the fake report saying it was reckless, distressing and hurtful to fans of the much loved singer. Others say this shows his extreme popularity across the globe. [01:29] TR Bot Bruno Mars dead 2022 : Singer killed by celebrity death hoax - Mediamass [01:30] matey though it does feel like hes locked out of heaven [01:32] matey some idiot at puppy linux started telling people i was dead after confusing me with the late, great robert storey [01:33] matey robert storey was a better writer and a better person than i [01:33] matey he was extremely generous and thoughtful [01:34] matey what made the fellow at puppy an idiot was he basically went around telling everyone i was dead [01:34] matey i thought he was acting like he was happy about it [01:35] matey finally i talked with him and set him straight, but not before he informed me of my unfortunate demise [01:35] matey i still dont think it was an honest mistake. it reeked of wishful thinking. thanks, dick. [01:36] matey if you take my least favourite person, of those ive actually known [01:36] matey and the same happened to them [01:36] matey even i wouldnt gloat about it so shamelessly [01:38] matey check it out, im being blocked from A SINGLE WORD by a fucking captcha https://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2007/02/watch-out-theres-weasel-word-about.html [01:38] matey ONE WORD [01:38] TR Bot open...: Watch Out, There's a Weasel Word About [01:39] matey even funnier, is its a post by glyn moody [01:42] matey its because he outsourced to google (11 years ago) http://web.archive.org/web/20201001180446/http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2007/02/watch-out-theres-weasel-word-about.html [01:42] matey the weasel word, funnily enough, is "freedom" [01:42] TR Bot timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://web.archive.org/web/20201001180446/http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2007/02/watch-out-theres-weasel-word-about.html ) [01:43] matey open source has been trying to turn freedom into a weasel word for decades [01:44] matey and i guess portugal, 11 years ago, tried to make creative commons illegal http://web.archive.org/web/20210616003349/https://thecommandline.net/2011/05/09/is-portugal-really-trying-to-make-creative-commons-licenses-illegal/ [01:44] TR Bot Is Portugal Really Trying to Make Creative Commons Licenses Illegal? The Command Line [01:44] matey dont bother going without the archive. 404. [01:45] matey To use Falkvinges word, this proposed law is revolting for interfering with outcomes, fixating an incidental circumstances of some intermediaries, at certain points in the history of cultural production. [01:45] matey proposed law [01:45] matey ROFL [01:46] matey the law against sharing was proposed by portugals SOCIALIST party! [01:46] matey this is the length the fake left will go to [01:46] matey maybe the third (fourth) worst socialist party ever [01:46] matey there are some shitty ones [01:47] matey im pro-socialism. some of the parties calling themselves that are worse than systemd [01:49] matey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunism [01:49] TR Bot Opportunism - Wikipedia [01:50] matey "Left" opportunism is a highly volatile mixture of ultrarevolutionary theories and adventuristic tactical objectives that push the revolutionary working-class movement into unjustified actions and senseless sacrifices and defeats. https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Opportunism [01:50] TR Bot Opportunism - Leftypedia [01:50] matey "Within Marxist organizing, opportunism refers to the abandonment of long-term aims in favour of short-term political success, more specifically through affiliation with bourgeois governments." [01:50] matey such as lieplanet [01:50] matey which abandons free software for open source and stabs the founder in the back [01:51] matey pure fraud [01:51] matey "In this, critics such as Rosa Luxemburg and Vladimir Lenin saw an abandonment of the working class character of these socialist parties." [01:53] matey im STRONGLY pro-union, but when dealing with charlatans such as these: techworkerscoalition.org its worth noting that a union is a coin with two sides [01:53] *horseface__ (~goosestepping@fwdae2eds5whc.irc) has joined #techrights [01:53] *goosestepping_ has quit (connection closed) [01:53] matey on the one side of a union is the fact that whenever workers decide to organise (a good thing [01:53] matey ) [01:53] matey they choose the big unions, the established unions-- whether or not theyre any good [01:54] matey in other words its like when activists choose twitter [01:54] matey theres no point telling them to create their OWN union [01:54] matey this is never the first step [01:55] matey workers who want to organise and strike for better treatment invariably go with established (large, if mediocre) unions [01:55] matey if (but not before) that effort fails, maybe a new union is created, but not before [01:55] matey so all large-scale organising starts with tried, if not true [01:55] matey so thats where the workers are [01:56] matey but the other side of the coin, is large established unions have union leaders [01:56] matey and if a union is a good thing, it stands to reason (falsely) that union leaders are good too [01:56] matey union leaders however, are more like politicians [01:56] matey their job is to negotiate, and frequently, capitulate [01:57] *horseface__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:57] matey so at the bottom a union is very important [01:57] matey aand at the top, its a snow cap made of utter shit [01:57] matey ultimate the workers oust the shit leader and replace them [01:57] matey or start their own union, but it never starts that way [01:58] matey so are unions a good thing? yes, provided that you understand the role of the leader. [01:58] matey otherwise you might think theyre not shit. [01:58] matey maybe when union leaders fail they go to work for socialist (reform) parties [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.90 average k/sec., average swarm size 480.40 [01:59] matey whats wrong with reform? its the same level of selling out they were doing as union leaders [01:59] matey you promise progress, you give the people a pile of shit. [01:59] matey theres a way out of that loop, but dont trust reformers [01:59] matey they stand for nothing. [01:59] matey (and THAT is why tom and i no longer talk) ● May 13 [02:00] matey (this mostly isnt about him though i thought id mention it, since roy was nice enough to bring it up a few weeks ago) [02:01] matey if given a choice between turning on the cause and turning on someone who has sold out [02:01] matey ill turn on the sellout [02:01] matey most often they will try to fuck me over, before i consider returning the favour [02:01] matey tom might be okay [02:02] matey but i dont trust him, and ive been stung before. its my prerogative. [02:02] matey it was kind of oliva to apologise, and maybe it was an honest mistake on his part [02:02] matey but he sold me out, and i dont trust him, and his feelings are hurt [02:03] matey well, it sucks to be him. i dont have to tell him that. [02:04] activelow obviously different $TERM differ with their capabilities... [02:04] matey people are selling out good people because they have more faith in organisations than the people who fucking built them [02:04] matey well, thats not me [02:04] matey fuck an organisation. individuals DO matter [02:04] activelow there is another one... $TERM are too _incompatible_ with capabilities with should NOT be [02:04] *matey has quit (connection closed) [02:05] *matey (~matey@fkwpyd59ikads.irc) has joined #techrights [02:05] activelow meaning, there seems no basic set of compatible capbilities, that's why de/re-attaching with different $TERM with abduco session manager and dvtm is a pain [02:05] matey fuck an organisation. individuals DO matter [02:05] matey especially since an individual can have more integrity, on AVERAGE, than any group [02:05] matey when a group is busy selling out its base [02:05] activelow there isn't a common $TERM with a basic set of capabilities which always works among _all_ $TERM types [02:05] matey those individuals are the most valuable-- and the most maligned. [02:05] activelow this sucks [02:06] matey EXCUSE THE FUCK OUT OF ME for not going along with that. [02:06] matey if i had known it was a dick-sucking contest, i would have found someone who was interested in puckering up. [02:06] matey but its not me, sorry. [02:06] activelow because i though, i though, ok, test with the most basic set of capabilities: monochrome, no sixels of cause, nothing fancy... [02:06] activelow nonetheless de/re-attaching such a terminal type breaks when switching between xterm <-> linux terminal types [02:07] matey im not into that sort of competition [02:08] matey if im going to suck anyone off, its going to be because i actually like them [02:08] matey not to impress some group of idiots [02:08] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:08] activelow gnu screen terminal capabilites provide a basic set which works, yet with this i got some character/line screen clearing issues still [02:09] activelow i mean, TERM=linux function keys F1...F12 aren't at least compatible with TERM=xterm... i receive different keycodes with those within TERM=linux and TERM=xterm ... this sucks [02:10] matey its true that invididualism is overdone. its the individual egos that decide theyre going to destroy people like stallman because they think theyre better. [02:10] activelow ok, ditch function keys, can live with this... backspace/delete and cursor positioning/character-clearing ... this isn't acceptable [02:10] matey but the first thing they do is start some bullshit organisation-- like osi [02:10] matey or some fake shit like gnu.fools. [02:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #techrights [02:10] matey and then they proceed to tell people how things are going to be [02:10] matey and then-- nothing. they do nothing. they follow nothing. they stand for-- nothing. [02:10] matey it was never about more than them. [02:11] matey thats what lieplanet is [02:11] matey thats what open source is [02:11] matey thats what eric fucking raymond is. [02:11] matey a sad little... big man. [02:11] matey a sellout [02:11] matey a backstabber [02:11] matey a shit. [02:11] matey tbh, historically... [02:12] activelow what? [02:12] matey his contributions were substantial [02:12] matey even epic [02:12] matey but he has no integrity [02:12] matey and you cant build any kind of real progress, with fake integrity. [02:12] matey you can build osi though. [02:12] matey thanks, i guess. [02:13] matey karl fogel decides cc0 isnt a free license [02:13] matey fucking retard. [02:13] matey seriously, karl fogel stopped making a shred of fucking sense at that moment [02:13] matey at that point the ediface became THE thing, and the thing it stood for became a fucking farce [02:14] matey fogel became a farce along with it [02:14] matey dont let this happen to you [02:14] matey dont be like these idiots [02:14] matey its better to be no one, and stand for something [02:14] matey than to be king, and be a worthless dick. [02:15] matey open source will never, can never, understand this. [02:15] matey "IM KING OF THE WORLD!" [02:15] matey youre a fucking cuntsicle clinging to a piece of wood in the middle of the fucking ocean. [02:15] matey have fun with that. [02:20] matey eric raymond said "where is my friend" about stallman after the cancellation [02:20] matey he might as well have said "am i my brothers keeper" [02:20] matey he didnt have to sign the letter [02:20] matey hes the one that engineered the whole fucking thing [02:20] matey im not saying he deployed it [02:20] matey on that note i dont know the whole story [02:20] matey probably never will [02:21] matey but what happened 3 years ago, had been in the osi vault for AGES [02:21] matey he fucking engineered it [02:21] matey the question is: why? [02:21] matey answer that and youll know more about open source than 99% of people [02:21] matey myself included [02:22] matey with friends like that, who needs 40mm enema launchers? [02:24] matey Left opportunism tries to push the revolutionary movement onto an adventurist path. Its erroneous actions, disguised in revolutionary, Marxist phraseology, discredit communism, thus playing into the hands of the bourgeoisie. https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Opportunism [02:24] TR Bot Opportunism - Leftypedia [02:25] matey https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss [02:25] TR Bot LibrePlanet-discuss a discussion email list for the LibrePlanet Community. [02:25] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:26] matey fake revolution makes it so no one believes in the struggle for real progress anymore [02:27] matey thats clearly what (a) has happened and (b) CONTINUES to happen to free software [02:27] matey there IS a fix [02:27] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [02:27] matey indeed there are several [02:27] matey but if people keep siding with those destroying everything it stood for [02:27] matey the results dont require a batshit "rocket scientists" like elon musk to figure out what the results will be [02:28] matey we do need an a-team of nobodies, to rebuild free software [02:28] matey but the a-team wont backstab anyone [02:29] matey they wont rebrand doublespeak as "diplomacy" or "good manners" [02:29] matey or "acceptable conduct" [02:29] matey all of those are distractions [02:29] matey free software was already acceptable. [02:29] matey but nothing one does will make everyone accept it. [02:31] matey no integrity-- no movement. [02:32] matey just a bunch of twits doing to free software what systemd did to debian [02:37] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-120522.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-120522.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-120522.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-120522.txt [02:37] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, May 12, 2022 [02:37] matey Unfortunately, this is not some abstract battle between different points of view. For example, if CC licences become illegal in Portugal, this would presumably mean that contributing to Wikipedia would also become illegal. 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[03:42] activelow linux libdrm/kms subsystem... i don't know... just wanted to see if /dev/fb0 can be switched down to 8bit 256color format [03:43] activelow 8bit depth rgb format isn't supported by the gpu driver, the kernel sources of some seem slightly confused, and the userspace utilities are weird, particularly the libdrm related ones [03:43] activelow i am glad, at least is wiped finally [03:43] activelow i am glad, at least libdrm is wiped finally [03:44] activelow of cause i can keep terminal capabilities at 256 colors, which is default, yet i hoped framebuffer could be scaled down to some reasonable limit, to make it faster [03:45] activelow i'll keep framebuffer at 16bit... which too is a test case to see, which format conversions are flawed with sixels involved [03:45] DaemonFC They have smart features on my dehumidifier. [03:45] DaemonFC I can control it from my phone. [03:45] DaemonFC What's funny is I'm sure the security is horrible and someone could install the app and find out you have a dehumidifier and turn on continual pump without it being hooked up into a drain. [03:46] DaemonFC And you come home and find gallons and gallons of water all over your floor. [03:47] activelow the terminal capability incompatibilities are worse, can't grasp the wisdom not at least some basic set of capabilities among relevant terminal types [03:48] activelow such as with backspace/delete, cursor positioning and character/line clearing... for virtual terminals i mean (not a modem line or printer which can't erase of cause) [03:49] activelow long story short, not at least 256bit color virtual terminal remain compatible [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.65 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.88 average k/sec., average swarm size 437.36 ● May 13 [04:10] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [04:15] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:30] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #techrights [04:39] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, May 12, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:39] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [04:39] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:39] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:44] TR News "For years people have wanted Nvidia to open source there Linux drivers and finally they've done so however it's not that simple and big parts of the driver stack will remain proprietary including the CUDA, Vulkan and OpenGL support." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1jkB8jA0X3Q [04:44] TR Bot Nvidia Open Sources Linux Drivers!! But There's A Catch - Invidious [04:45] TR News Not all open-source leaders are jerks - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/12/not_all_opensource_leaders_are/ Source: theregister [04:45] TR Bot Not all open-source leaders are jerks The Register [04:49] *oarion7 (~anonymous@user/oarion7) has joined #techrights [04:51] TR News "Paradox Interactive has released the major Stellaris: Overlord expansion, along with a free Stellaris 3.4 version update." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/stellaris-34-cepheus-and-stellaris-overlord-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [04:51] TR Bot 3.4 'Cepheus' and Stellaris: Overlord out now | GamingOnLinux [04:51] TR News "Probably one of the most important creatures on Earth and now you'll be looking after them in APICO on May 20, 2022." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/save-the-bees-on-may-20-with-the-release-of-apico/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [04:51] TR Bot the Bees on May 20 with the release of APICO | GamingOnLinux [04:52] TR News "Have you burned out on Vampire Survivors and want something new? Or perhaps you just prefer spaceships?" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/uh-oh-gunlocked-is-like-vampire-survivors-in-space-and-just-as-absorbing/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [04:52] TR Bot oh, Gunlocked is like Vampire Survivors in space and just as absorbing | GamingOnLinux [04:53] TR News "Looking for the best time to order your Librem 14 laptop?" https://puri.sm/posts/summer-sale-on-librem-14-laptops/ | Source: Purism [04:53] TR Bot Summer Sale on Librem 14 Laptops Purism [04:54] TR News "Hailo and Lanner Electronics launched a cost efficient PCIe accelerator card called the Falcon H8." https://linuxgizmos.com/lanners-falcon-h8-ai-accelerator-card-powered-by-hailo-8-ai-processors/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [04:54] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/lanners-falcon-h8-ai-accelerator-card-powered-by-hailo-8-ai-processors/ ) [04:54] TR News "Core Keeper is another big indie hit and for good reason, it's a total gem" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/core-keeper-gets-dedicated-servers-upcoming-sunken-sea-biome-sounds-huge/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [04:54] TR Bot Keeper gets dedicated servers, upcoming Sunken Sea Biome sounds huge | GamingOnLinux [04:55] TR News "The Garden Path is an upcoming casual chilled-out life sim that looks gorgeous." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/get-an-early-look-at-the-garden-path-with-a-few-copies-left-on-itchio/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [04:55] TR Bot an early look at The Garden Path with a few copies left on itch.io | GamingOnLinux [04:56] TR News "x86-based Universal CPE (uCPE)" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/practical-solution-cloudify-network-edge-why-containers-white-box-devices-and-sd-wan-are-ideal | Source: Red Hat Official [04:56] TR Bot A practical solution to cloudify the network edge: Why containers, white-box devices and SD-WAN are ideal [04:56] TR News "The Jackbox Party Starter has been announced to launch this "Summer", which will be the perfect entry to get the party started with more languages supported." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/the-jackbox-party-starter-coming-this-summer-with-more-localization/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [04:56] TR Bot Jackbox Party Starter coming this 'Summer' with more localization | GamingOnLinux [04:57] TR News "Another absolutely huge update for the Steam Deck just landed, with Valve clearly taking on lots of feedback to make it the best handheld gaming device around." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/steam-deck-gets-per-app-performance-profiles-hardware-survey-and-loads-more/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [04:57] TR Bot Deck gets per-app performance profiles, hardware survey and loads more | GamingOnLinux [04:57] TR News Nvidia Open Sources Drivers, FOSS Is Winning! 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(Despite The Haters) [04:57] TR News old: An Open Letter to Hobbyists https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/surf/072397mind-letter.html Source: archive [04:57] TR Bot An Open Letter to Hobbyists [04:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 34.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 511.88 ● May 13 [05:02] TR News ""Two days ago the wireplumber package was made to replace pipewire-media-session https://archlinux.org/news/undone-replacement-of-pipewire-media-session-with-wireplumber/ | [05:02] TR Bot Arch Linux - News: Undone replacement of pipewire-media-session with wireplumber [05:03] TR News "With Kubernetes 1.24 the gRPC probes functionality entered beta and is available by default." https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/05/13/grpc-probes-now-in-beta/ [05:03] TR Bot Kubernetes 1.24: gRPC container probes in beta | Kubernetes [05:05] TR News "The past month has been exciting, with both LXD 5.0 LTS and Ubuntu 22.04 LTS being launched." https://ubuntu.com//blog/shared-development-environment-with-lxd | Source: Ubuntu [05:05] TR Bot up a secure shared development environment with LXD | Ubuntu [05:06] TR News "A growing Advantech and Canonical collaboration means deployment-ready IoT devices are more market accessible" https://ubuntu.com//blog/advantech-canonical-boost-security-and-edge-features-in-uno-embedded-automation-platform-with-pre-loaded-ubuntu-and-ubuntu-core-20 | Source: Ubuntu [05:06] TR Bot Canonical Boost Security and Edge Features in UNO Embedded Automation Platform with Pre-Loaded Ubuntu and Ubuntu Core 20 | Ubuntu [05:09] TR News Starbucks https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/12/are-starbucks-union-busting-tactics-legal/ | Source: Counter Punch [05:09] TR Bot Starbucks' Union-Busting Tactics Legal? - CounterPunch.org [05:10] TR News "Raspberry Pi Pico is a low-cost microcontroller that can be connected to another computer" https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-pico-classroom-physical-computing/ | Source: Raspberry Pi [05:10] TR Bot Teaching with Raspberry Pi Pico in the computing classroom - Raspberry Pi [05:11] TR News "Julia has initiated numerous international cooperation projects in the museum field around capacity building and organizational transformation." https://creativecommons.org/2022/05/12/episode-30-open-culture-voices-julia-pagel/ | Source: Creative Commons [05:11] TR Bot Episode 30: Open Culture VOICES Julia Pagel - Creative Commons [05:15] TR News "he was deputy development manager and head of digital services and communication at Paris Muses." https://creativecommons.org/2022/05/12/episode-29-open-culture-voices-philippe-riviere/ | Source: Creative Commons [05:15] TR Bot Episode 29: Open Culture VOICES Philippe Rivire - Creative Commons [05:19] TR News #Boycottstarbucks a thing yet? https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-union-momentum-grows-with-groundbreaking-first-wins-in-california/ | Source: TruthOut [05:19] TR Bot Starbucks Union Momentum Grows With Groundbreaking First Wins in California [05:21] TR News SweatshopZone https://truthout.org/articles/amazons-inadequate-safety-rules-put-thousands-at-risk-aoc-and-warren-say/ | Source: TruthOut [05:21] TR Bot Amazons Inadequate Safety Rules Put Thousands at Risk, AOC and Warren Say [05:22] TR News "Im currently a member of the Chinese Text Layout Task Force" https://chenhuijing.com/blog/font-face-fun-times/ | Source: Chen HuiJing [05:22] TR Bot @font-face fun times [05:22] TR News "The ERTMS is one of those technical things rail nerds and industry insiders hear about every few years, but it never seems to go anywhere." https://rubenerd.com/the-european-rail-traffic-management-system/ | Source: Ruben Schade [05:22] TR Bot The European Rail Traffic Management System [05:34] activelow another one on the hitlist for removal: Vim... back to elvis [05:34] TR News More disinformation https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/120-groups-call-social-media-giants-combat-election-disinformation-ahead-midterms | Source: Common Dreams [05:34] TR Bot 120+ Groups Call On Social Media Giants to Combat Election Disinformation Ahead of Midterms [05:56] matey They have smart features on my dehumidifier. I can control it from my phone. [05:57] matey And you come home and find gallons and gallons of water all over your floor. <- this is what was missing from the sony aibo [05:57] TR News "As enforced by these corporate apparatchiks of Managerialism, university academics are obliged to compete by means of publishing in the so-called top journals, and to stockpile (quantity over quality) ever greater numbers of publications than their peers." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/12/academentia-and-managerialism/ | Source: Counter Punch [05:57] TR Bot and Managerialism - CounterPunch.org [05:58] matey that and warning to not use it as a water dispenser, as "the aibos reservoir is not food-safe and it should not be used as a water dispenser" [05:58] matey ...not unlike a real dog. [05:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.06 k/sec., IPFS upstream 33.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 491.30 ● May 13 [06:00] matey "all i ask is for sharks with frikkin laser beams on their foreheads and a robot dog i can use as a water dispenser. throw me a frikkin booone here." [06:01] matey sony would probably be LESS evil if it were run by dr evil from a frikkin volcano. [06:03] matey though i can imagine frau repeating his worst ideas at the top of her lungs [06:04] matey "remove support for linux from the ps3" "REMOVE LINUX SUPPPOOOOOORRRRRRTTT!!!!!!!!" [06:05] matey "mr powers, youre too late, ive already sent out the firmware updates over the "internet"" [06:05] matey "whyd you do it dr evil?" [06:06] *oarion7 has quit (Quit: Running IRC on a charmed medieval abacus.) [06:06] matey "isnt it kind of poontless? i mean, if you want to run linux why not buy an actual com-PUT-ter?" [06:06] matey "thats not the point, man, if the ps3 can run it anyway, why not just be groovy and let people use it?" [06:08] matey "i sent out the updates because i enjoy when users suffer" [06:08] matey "man, you really missed your calling, you could have worked for microsoft." [06:08] TR News "Disney is looking for a senior paralegal to expand its anti-[sharing] team in Burbank California." https://torrentfreak.com/disney-seeks-a-paralegal-to-help-combat-online-piracy-220512/ | Source: Torrent Freak [06:08] TR Bot Seeks a Senior Paralegal to Help Combat Online Piracy * TorrentFreak [06:08] TR News "The Italian telecoms regulator AGCOM already has tools at its disposal to fight" filesharing/streaming https://torrentfreak.com/new-legislation-gives-telecoms-regulator-major-power-to-fight-piracy-220512/ | Source: Torrent Freak [06:08] TR Bot Legislation Gives Telecoms Regulator Major Powers to Fight Piracy * TorrentFreak [06:08] *darwin has quit (connection closed) [06:08] matey "i tried. they said i reminded them too much of steve ball-mer, and they already had one." [06:08] TR News "The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) says it is investigating reports" https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/05/dea-investigating-breach-of-law-enforcement-data-portal/ | Source: Krebs On Security [06:08] TR Bot DEA Investigating Breach of Law Enforcement Data Portal Krebs on Security [06:09] *darwin (~darwin@7d3n498busjrn.irc) has joined #techrights [06:10] matey "oh yeah?" [06:10] matey "yes, and the stole my frikkin plans. cloud 360 was MY idea." [06:12] matey Meet aibo, Sony's robotic dog that has been evolving for over two decades | Aibo Community Hub AIBO was first introduced to the world in 1999 and development has continued to progress as the industry of technology has advanced. Today Sony is focused on the ERS-1000, its brand-new version of the robotic puppy. [06:12] matey that isnt evolution, its unintelligent design [06:13] matey www.cnet.com/home/smart-home/yes-the-robot-dog-ate-your-privacy/ [06:13] matey At $2,900, Sony's robot dog Aibo sits at the fringe of technology, but it might not stay there. Whether you find it cute or creepy, the tech that makes Aibo tick is continuing to evolve, and it... [06:14] matey To be clear, Aibo's tech already includes artificial intelligence, sensors and microphones that help it interact with people, and cameras that can recognize faces and help it navigate your home like a Roomba. A reasonable consumer might rightly wonder just how much data this dog gathers as it wanders their home scanning faces and learning about its owners. [06:14] matey always nice to find out your robot dog is a russian (japanese) spy. [06:15] matey 2 cameras and 4 mics! its like someone gave legs to a smartphone and an echo dot. [06:16] matey but can it be used as a gps when you drive? [06:16] matey "aibo, how to do i get to perm-36?" [06:16] matey "ri roh roh?" [06:16] matey everyone knows that, you just look at stalin funny. [06:17] *oarion7 (~anonymous@user/oarion7) has joined #techrights [06:19] matey www.historyanswers.co.uk/people-politics/perm-36-the-soviet-era-gulag-museum-where-putin-is-rewriting-history/ [06:19] matey Perm-36 - located 95 kilometres away from the city, in the village of Kuchino - stopped being a camp/colony in 1988, and since then has been developed as both a memorial and a museum to the Gulag system. Post-Stalin, the camp and repressions continued - they didn't suddenly stop with Uncle Joe's death in 1953. [06:20] matey Little Father, Uncle Joe or Koba was a mass-murdering dictator whose corrective-camp labour system, known as Gulag (Glavnoe upravlenie lagerei, translated as Main Administration Camp), led to the displacement and deaths of millions. Mid-20th century Russia and its rocket-paced progress was built on the backs, and then the bones, of the dead [06:20] matey when it comes to infrastructure programmes like roads and canals, thats meant pretty much literally. [06:20] matey But to many, Stalin was the leader who saved them from the Nazis during World War II [06:20] matey LOL [06:21] matey he just fucking sat there while the nazis poured in, AFTER he blew up the fortifications designed to prevent precisely this as a gesture of "good will" [06:21] matey There was and still is a romantic notion to contend with: that Stalin always had the best intentions for the country and if he went wrong along the way, it was due to enemies of the people or was ultimately justifiable [06:22] matey its funny how people will line up to defend a madman [06:22] matey The modernisation of Russia into a superpower cost millions in lives. To suggest every single prisoner was a class enemy, a wrecker or saboteur, is preposterous. If not arrested and exiled on imaginary pretexts or crimes, they were taken at the least provocation. One man was arrested and sent to a corrective-labour camp for selling a piglet at market. He was denounced as a speculator. [06:23] matey if he had only sold pooh or eeyore he might have gotten away with it [06:23] matey Trumped up charges like these meant a steady stream of expendable workforces [06:24] matey when the usa "ended" slavery they made sure the amendment to the constitution didnt remove this form of it [06:25] matey Putin has aired opinions about Stalin that the Katyn Massacre of 1940 was a war crime ordered by Stalin and carried out by the NKVD but he has also found the image of Stalin as a useful guiding light to re-establish Russias superiority. The struggle between revisionism and accepted historical reality is creeping rather than a blatant, wholesale rewriting. [06:25] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:25] matey open russia! [06:26] matey ossr (occp) [06:26] matey not to be confused with the fssr, aka lieplanet-36 [06:36] *oarion7 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [06:40] TR News wifislax64-3.0 VERSION FINAL https://www.wifislax.com/wifislax64-3-0-version-final/ [06:40] TR Bot VERSION FINAL | Live Wifislax [06:40] TR News Archman 2022.05.13 is also out https://archman.org/ [06:40] TR Bot Archman GNU/Linux [06:42] matey We filmed one display. It told about the prisoners of that camp. Like any camp, it confined actual dissidents and human rights advocates together with, literally, Nazi collaborators, as well as recidivist gangsters, and spies. The paradox is that, according to the display we filmed, there was no difference between the former and the latter, which is both immoral and unprofessional. [06:42] matey and very much like the sort of people who have created lieplanet. [06:42] matey who can never tell the difference [06:43] matey first they will hang stallman, of course [06:43] matey why? hes the worlds greatest bigot and pervert! [06:43] matey but then, once hes been hobbled politically [06:43] matey they will say "hes a great guy, it was just time to move on" [06:44] matey i mean thats not the evil of historical revisionism, thats.... [06:44] matey oh, yeah it is. but its not open source! [06:44] matey i mean, open source hasnt been rewriting history for 20 fucking years, pretending linus torvalds... um... [06:44] matey well, fuck! [06:45] matey i wonder what year theyll have lieplanet #36 [06:45] matey (answer, never-- hopefully it will be gone by then) [06:45] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:47] matey heres one place the article fucks up majorly "In 2015, the Levada Institute, a non-governmental polling survey body, found that 52 per cent of Russians held Stalin in a positive..." [06:48] matey YOU REALLY CANT trust the polling orgs in russia! [06:48] matey even the non-governmental ones. [06:48] matey but western media routinely cites them as if its TRIVIAL (not SO much) to glean useful or realistic information about russians from them [06:49] matey really, you might as well ask microsoft if most people love windows. [06:49] matey YES, some russians do like stalin [06:49] matey "found that 52 per cent of Russians..." ! [06:54] matey "When this lack of curiosity about the past or attempts at rehabilitation affect places like Perm-36, whose purpose is to speak out for those killed by the state in the name of progress or retribution, the result is far more dangerous than having the face of Stalin emblazoned on a t-shirt, or his mug printed on a coaster, as if hes a Che Guevara type." [06:55] matey its not like statues of stalin are going (back) up all over russia [06:55] matey in so many places, hes been torn down while lenin (in so many places) stays up, rarely defaced [06:56] matey someone DID paint ukranian flag colours on lenins head at one point, but some (at least one eh) ukrainian-sympathetic russians found that "funny" [06:57] matey considering how nationalist the exploitation of ukraine is, and how passionately anti-nationalist lenin was [06:57] TR News This is how we do things around here. gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/05/12.1 [06:57] matey its speculation and perhaps ignorantly so, but i wouldnt be surprised if lenin himself would have found that "funny" too [06:58] TR News New: "As to why I haven't left yet? Because it seems this Agile movement has invaded everywhere and things would be more of the same elsewhere. At least here, I'm not forced to use Windows [4]." gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/05/12.1" [06:58] matey you can still find idiots in shops who have put a picture of stalin up [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 62.75 average k/sec., average swarm size 476.60 [06:59] matey i think it would be a mistake to let them represent broad russian sentiment [06:59] matey about as ridiculous as saying "most americans love trump" [06:59] matey really even more ridiculous, as the margins are that different ● May 13 [07:07] TR News Disinformation https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/meet-the-head-of-bidens-new-disinformation-governing-board/ | Source: The Nation [07:07] TR Bot Meet the Head of Bidens New Disinformation Governing Board | The Nation [07:11] matey so there are other ways (one ive used) to search youtube from the command line... which is great if youre using a command line program to get youtube videos [07:12] matey but i just discovered that yt-dl (the fork of youtube-dl that despite its faults, does work far better) [07:12] matey AND YES, its github [07:13] matey ive now processed literally tens of thousands of free software programs, and weeded out MORE THAN 99 PERCENT of github stuff. [07:13] TR News Starbucks https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/let-floodgates-open-starbucks-union-scores-first-wins-california | Source: Common Dreams [07:13] TR Bot 'Let the Floodgates Open': Starbucks Union Scores First Wins in California [07:13] matey and even after doing that, i will still say good things about yt-dl, but this is an exception to an exception to an exception [07:14] matey i try very hard to not promote github stuff [07:14] matey which means practically everything [07:15] matey so if even i say something great about something on github, its unusual to say the least [07:15] matey rare [07:16] matey but getting back to the point, i think to search github from the command line i think you just say (in quotes) "ytsearch: whatever youre searching for" [07:16] matey instead of the url, with yt-dl [07:16] matey maybe this feature goes back several years-- i just found it [07:16] matey havent even used it [07:16] matey really cool though [07:16] TR News "persistent refusal to share key coronavirus vaccine and treatment technology" = PATENTS as the problem https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/donation-model-has-failed-supremacy-greed-decried-covid-summit-begins | Source: Common Dreams [07:16] TR Bot 'Donation Model Has Failed': Supremacy of Greed Decried as Covid Summit Begins [07:17] matey the problem with youtube-dl, which i really would prefer to use, and havent deleted even though i havent used it in ages [07:17] matey (and its also github-based) [07:18] matey is that you cant have a youtube downloader unless you constantly fix what youtube deliberately fucks up [07:18] matey and youtube-dl is next to abandoned, at least in present, practical terms [07:19] matey what i LIKE about it is that i think they are less dependent on python 3? so thats very cool [07:19] matey still, yt-dl actually fixes problems that youtube-dl suffers for long periods of time, unfixed [07:19] matey its becoming like openoffice vs libreoffice, at least a little bit [07:20] matey in that openoffice, while i really preferred it for its simplicity, was basically abandoned after it reverted back to a free license [07:21] matey and libreoffice became more popular and better maintained (although they also added a lot of bloat, some annoyances, and even stabbed richard stallman in the back-- i havent used libreoffice in about a year or more) [07:21] matey id like to live in a world where a youtube downloader isnt even necessary [07:21] matey but as long as im using one, yt-dl is the new youtube-dl, and it works well [07:22] matey and since both are github based, the best thing you can say about the former is that they have tried not to push python 3 [07:22] matey which i really do find admirable as fuck [07:22] matey for that reason alone i hope they get back on track and start fixing / updating again [07:23] matey possibly by de-python-3ifying yt-dl, since youtube-dl is otherwise, possibly, soon, maybe dead [07:23] matey but i really want to be wrong there, so hopefully i will be [07:24] matey as for why to de-python-3, someone (xrevan) has actually helped to fix the one (technical) feature i hate most about it [07:24] matey im still impressed [07:24] matey but even then... [07:24] matey from a political standpoint, python 3 still has shown a systemd-like attitude towards users. not hard to guess how i feel about that [07:25] matey systemd-like in downplaying the level theyve gone to to rustify (destabilise) the language [07:26] matey maybe im playing that up. not deliberately. if they werent downplaying it, id be a lot less likely to upplay it [07:26] matey i dont really think im upplaying it. [07:26] matey language destabilisation is a real and very corporate problem [07:26] matey so i dislike that (and not only that) about python 3 [07:26] matey i dislike that it became google-fied [07:26] *ciphrCat has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:27] matey i dislike that guido works for microsoft. [07:27] matey i mean literally works at microsoft. [07:27] matey i have no desire to promote a microsoft product. [07:27] matey they kill everything good. they will kill cpython. [07:28] matey pypy has done everything i think should have been done about this [07:28] *cybrNaut has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [07:28] matey so i would rather recommend that to as many people as possible [07:28] matey even if they find they are forced to use cpython for a few things (which they would be, most likely) [07:28] matey pypy compatibility is a stand for stability, imo [07:29] matey the closest you can get to stability or sanity with python. [07:29] matey thats the sort of thing id rather promote [07:29] matey so if youtube-dl manages to pick itself up again and maybe port features from yt-dl on their (noble) crusade to preserve python 2 compatibility [07:30] matey i mean thats like what devuan was supposed to give us, its that sort of project-- mate, trinity, etc. [07:30] *ciphrCat (~ciphrCat@v75kd7krrqfvs.irc) has joined #techrights [07:30] matey i would like to smile on, as much as possible, projects that stand against the treadmill of unnecessary "novel" shit [07:31] matey with yt-dl, the advantage is simple-- its a tool designed to download videos from the command line. [07:31] matey its well maintained. its not full of pointless gimmicks. [07:31] matey im hoping youtube-dl can catch up at some point, but i only tried something else when the former was working unsuitably, and dramatically so [07:33] *cybrNaut (~cybrNaut@freenode-tto.k1n.ssv8hv.IP) has joined #techrights [07:34] matey this guy has one of those curved monitors [07:34] matey maybe ill change my mind about them someday, i find them really hideous [07:34] matey i think theres a technical argument to be made for them, i have yet to warm up to the idea [07:35] matey i think i could tolerate a much larger screen than this one (indeed i owned one for a while) without going curved [07:35] matey and there are technical arguments against curved monitors too [07:36] matey mostly i would expect them to fall apart more readily during a move [07:36] matey i mean, i can imagine packaging that would help, if you save the box, which some people do [07:36] matey but if i need a screen thats so big (and expensive) that going curved is in any way practical [07:37] matey id rather just use a projector again. [07:37] matey my only gripe with those is they literally burn out [07:37] matey and then you have to go on the great bulb hunt [07:37] matey and really, i dont think theyre very friendly (from a design standpoint) about any of this [07:38] TR News In the MSM, "Aid" means "Weapons". When they say [some monetary sum] for "aid" they mean weapon sales for some US corporations that charge for weapons like 10 times the production cost. Weapons do not aid, they kill... [07:38] matey other than that, i love projectors. [07:38] TR News So-called "meatpackers"; as if animals are not just "livestock" but packs https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/12/house-panel-exposes-how-shameful-meatpackers-put-profits-over-worker-health-during | Source: Common Dreams [07:38] TR Bot House Panel Exposes How 'Shameful' Meatpackers Put Profits Over Worker Health During Pandemic [07:39] matey id happily build a screen as large as a wall for one [07:39] matey its WAY cheaper and easier to move than an actual screen that size [07:39] TR News "Our own Glyn Moody has written several posts about how exceptions that have been made to copyright laws throughout the world have picked up steam" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/visually-impaired-advocacy-group-goes-to-war-with-south-africa-copyright-law/ | Source: Techdirt [07:39] TR Bot Impaired Advocacy Group Goes To War With South Africa Copyright Law | Techdirt [07:39] matey im kind of surprised this isnt more popular as a solution, even for like gamers [07:40] matey but eh [07:40] TR News "What the actual fuck, EU? While they pretend to be all about protecting privacy, they then push out this bit of utter nonsense: a bill to protect the children by literally requiring online services scan all messaging" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/eu-proposes-its-own-version-of-earn-it-effectively-mandates-full-surveillance-of-all-messaging-no-encryption/ | Source: Techdirt [07:40] TR Bot Proposes Its Own Version Of EARN IT: Effectively Mandates Full Surveillance Of All Messaging & No Encryption | Techdirt [07:41] TR News "military-grade surveillance" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/california-law-enforcement-now-needs-approval-military-grade-surveillance | Source: EFF [07:41] TR Bot California Law Enforcement Now Needs Approval for Military-Grade Surveillance Equipment. We'll Be Watching. | Electronic Frontier Foundation [07:41] matey and id still use a monitor, but i do tasks even now where turning a projector on would be amazing [07:41] matey i dont presently own one [07:41] matey ive used a few [07:42] matey a combination of preferring used hardware and hard-to-find bulbs is a real drawback [07:42] TR News Wow, EFF has a new slant on free speech. Read this. See what EFF makes of free speech... (partisan bullshit from CohnPAC) https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/blow-free-speech-texas-unconstitutional-social-media-law-allowed-proceed-pending | Source: EFF [07:42] TR Bot In a Blow to Free Speech, Texas Social Media Law Allowed to Proceed Pending Appeal | Electronic Frontier Foundation [07:42] TR News "software pants" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/12/why-get-dressed-when-there-are-software-pants/ | Source: Hackaday [07:42] TR Bot Get Dressed When There Are Software Pants? | Hackaday [07:42] matey also those fuckers probably have a lot of mercury (by comparison) [07:43] matey so if youre using something else for (sound, justifiable) environmental reasons, i totally respect that [07:43] TR News EFF: partisan politics instead of tech substance. Personal projects rather than principles. Attacking Wikileaks and RMS... for the wrong reasons. [07:43] matey i know most green stuff is bs, but at least some decisions (like reusing what would be e-waste) are sound [07:47] TR News "Every generation has an instrument which defines its sound, and for those whose formative musical years lie in the 1980s, a very strong contender to the crown is the Roland TR-808 percussion synthesizer." https://hackaday.com/2022/05/12/how-the-roland-808-cowbell-worked/ | Source: Hackaday [07:47] TR Bot The Roland 808 Cowbell Worked | Hackaday [07:47] TR News "Florida and Texas both passed blatantly unconstitutional laws limiting the ability of social media websites to moderate." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/the-5th-circuit-reinstates-texas-obviously-unconstitutional-social-media-law-effective-immediately/ | Source: Techdirt [07:47] TR Bot 5th Circuit Reinstates Texas Obviously Unconstitutional Social Media Law Effective Immediately | Techdirt [07:47] TR News Texas https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/just-how-incredibly-fucked-up-is-texas-social-media-content-moderation-law/ | Source: Techdirt [07:47] TR Bot How Incredibly Fucked Up Is Texas Social Media Content Moderation Law? | Techdirt [07:52] *jrg has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [07:53] TR News "Anyone whos ever assembled a PCB full of tiny SMD parts will have found that tweezers are not always the best tool" https://hackaday.com/2022/05/12/hackaday-prize-2022-salvaged-pumps-and-hoses-make-a-neat-vacuum-pickup-tool/ | Source: Hackaday [07:53] TR Bot Prize 2022: Salvaged Pumps And Hoses Make A Neat Vacuum Pickup Tool | Hackaday [07:54] TR News "Nine years ago, MakerBot was acquired by Stratasys in a deal worth slightly north of $600 million." https://hackaday.com/2022/05/12/makerbot-and-ultimaker-to-merge-focus-on-industry/ | Source: Hackaday [07:54] TR Bot And Ultimaker To Merge, Focus On Industry | Hackaday [07:54] TR News "dedication to bridging the digital divide" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/heres-a-map-of-states-that-had-to-map-u-s-broadband-due-to-federal-corruption-and-incompetence/ | Source: Techdirt [07:54] TR Bot A Map Of States That Had To Map U.S. Broadband Due To Federal Corruption And Incompetence | Techdirt [07:55] TR News "warrantless long-term surveillance" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/12/kansas-federal-court-says-ten-weeks-of-pole-camera-surveillance-isnt-a-constitutional-violation/ | Source: Techdirt [07:55] TR Bot Federal Court Says Ten Weeks Of Pole Camera Surveillance Isnt A Constitutional Violation | Techdirt [07:56] TR News People who protest mass surveillance from a "smart" phone are like the people who protest capitalism while sipping $5 cups of coffee at Starbucks (to plan their "actions"). [07:56] *kindone (~kindone@freenode-9in7mo.fv7f.vbh2.kpkdgb.IP) has joined #techrights [07:56] *kindone is now known as Guest54005 [07:58] TR News "No matter your project or field of endeavor, simulation is a useful tool for finding out what you dont know." https://hackaday.com/2022/05/12/can-you-help-nasa-build-a-mars-sim-in-vr/ | Source: Hackaday [07:58] TR Bot You Help NASA Build A Mars Sim In VR? | Hackaday [07:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 19.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 431.73 ● May 13 [08:08] TR News "More than 10 years ago (2010) aboutbsd.net was created for scratching my need for BSD related news" http://aboutbsd.net/?page_id=26661 | [08:08] TR Bot All Good Things Must Come to An End | Blogging All About BSD [08:09] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:10] TR News "Spring. Flowers. Hay fever. Linux distros aplenty." https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/kubuntu-jammy.html | Source: Dedoimedo [08:10] TR Bot Kubuntu 22.04 Jammy Jellyfish review - Okay, not LTS-y enough [08:11] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [08:11] TR News "For YouTuber Jroobi, merely walking up to his front door, inserting a key into the lock and turning the handle was too simple" https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/05/11/this-special-front-door-controller-has-several-ways-to-unlock-it/ | Source: Arduino [08:11] TR Bot This special front door controller can be unlocked in several ways | Arduino Blog [08:11] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:11] TR News "Well, the new 64MP 'Hawk-Eye' Pi camera takes the same autofocus system and straps it to an ultra-high-res 64 megapixel sensor" https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/64-megapixel-hawk-eye-brings-high-res-imaging-pi | Source: Jeff Geerling [08:11] TR Bot 64 megapixel 'Hawk-Eye' brings high-res imaging to the Pi | Jeff Geerling [08:12] TR News "This revision supports two alternate footprints for the CAN-FD transceiver to better support component availability and refines the power stage for the DRV8353 gate driver." https://jpieper.com/2022/05/11/moteus-r4-11/ | Source: J Pieper [08:12] TR Bot moteus r4.11 | A Modicum of Fun [08:12] TR News "Intel latest processors have new instruction sets (AVX-512) that are quite powerful." https://lemire.me/blog/2022/05/06/fast-bitset-decoding-using-intel-avx-512/ | Source: Daniel Lemire [08:12] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://lemire.me/blog/2022/05/06/fast-bitset-decoding-using-intel-avx-512/ ) [08:12] TR News "At least two readers (Kim Walisch and Jatin Bhateja) pointed out that you could do better if you used the very latest AVX-512 instructions available on Intel processors with the Ice Lake or Tiger Lake microarchitectures." https://lemire.me/blog/2022/05/10/faster-bitset-decoding-using-intel-avx-512/ | Source: Daniel Lemire [08:12] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://lemire.me/blog/2022/05/10/faster-bitset-decoding-using-intel-avx-512/ ) [08:12] TR News "In this article we will describe how we enabled basic telephony support on the Pinephone." https://genodians.org/ssumpf/2022-05-09-telephony | [08:12] TR Bot Pine fun - Telephony (_Roger, Roger_?) 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Forget all the conspiracy theories about Gates and vaccines it's bizarre that people bother to make up those fairy-tales when the truth is so much worse." https://pluralistic.net/2022/05/11/a-dent-in-the-universe/#eminently-guillotineable | Source: CoryDoctorow [08:32] TR Bot Pluralistic: 11 May 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [08:33] TR News Windows TCO: "Finland should brace for Russian cyber attacks" https://yle.fi/news/3-12443701 | Source: YLE [08:33] TR Bot Finland should brace for Russian cyber attacks, Traficom says | News | Yle Uutiset [08:33] TR News "QR codes have been in the news recently, and for good reason" https://blog.bithole.dev/discord-qr-phish.html | Source: Adriaan Zhang [08:33] TR Bot Discord QR Code Phishing [08:36] TR News "Notwithstanding its exit from the European Union, the British police will remain a member of a Standing Heads of Lawful Interception Units based at Europol." https://digit.site36.net/2022/05/12/encrypted-communication-britain-remains-member-of-eu-interception-group/ | Source: Site36 [08:36] TR Bot Encrypted communication: UK remains member of EU interception group Security Architectures in the EU [08:37] TR News "The GnuPG command line tool gpg is the most popular implementation of the OpenPGP specification." https://sequoia-pgp.org/blog/2022/05/11/202205-sq-gpg-comparison/ | Source: SequoiaPGP [08:37] TR Bot Blog - sq feature comparison with gpg [08:37] TR News "oh wow yeah this looks so clean & stripped down from all the bloated pages out there" https://idiomdrottning.org/better-website | Source: Idiomdrottning [08:37] TR Bot Better Website [08:37] TR News "Georgetown has a new report on the highly secretive bulk surveillance activities of ICE in the US: [...]" https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/05/ice-is-a-domestic-surveillance-agency.html | Source: Bruce Schneier [08:37] TR Bot Is a Domestic Surveillance Agency - Schneier on Security [08:37] TR News "leading the effort to expose and dissever ICEs American dragnet." https://americandragnet.org/ | [08:37] TR Bot American Dragnet | Data-Driven Deportation in the 21st Century [08:37] TR News "Thats why this tip comes in hand." [sic] https://afhub.dev/2022/05/10/remove-metadata-from-photos-on-iphone/ | Source: Andre Franca [08:37] TR Bot Remove metadata from photos on iphone [08:37] TR News "EU Commissioner Ylva Johannson announced a new law to combat online child sex abuse." https://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2022/05/11/european-commission-prefers-breaking-privacy-to-protecting-kids/ | Source: Light Blue Touchpaper [08:37] TR Bot European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids | Light Blue Touchpaper [08:39] TR News Games: Stellaris 3.4, Steam Deck, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164794 [08:39] TR Bot Games: Stellaris 3.4, Steam Deck, and More | Tux Machines [08:42] TR News IRC Proceedings: Thursday, May 12, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/13/irc-log-120522/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/13/irc-log-120522/ [08:42] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Thursday, May 12, 2022 | Techrights [08:43] TR News "Below the fold I look this gift horse in the mouth." https://blog.dshr.org/2022/05/a-blockchain-certificate-of-deposit.html | Source: David Rosenthal [08:43] TR Bot DSHR's Blog: A "Blockchain Certificate of Deposit" [08:57] matey one of my favourite people on youtube (no i wont say who, because at the moment i dont want to promote, im still evaluating him and i dont want another dt-like disappointment, though on youtube its always a hazard) is dissing hyperbola as impossible and ill-advised [08:58] matey i actually think his argument is well-intended and theres SOME reason to it [08:58] matey im not endorsing this argument, im only defending the person making it. [08:58] TR News "Here is Agrawals memo to employees in its entirety: [...]" https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/12/23068985/twitter-memo-parag-agrawal-firing-execs-hiring-freeze | Source: The Verge [08:58] TR Bot Heres Twitter CEO Parag Agrawals memo about firing execs and a hiring freeze - The Verge [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.08 average k/sec., average swarm size 428.80 [08:59] TR News "The paper proposes Nine Pillars of Digital Justice, the first three of which are preconditions, and the the latter are rights." https://rubenerd.com/tnls-nine-pillars-of-digital-justice/ | Source: Ruben Schade [08:59] TR Bot TNLs Nine Pillars of Digital Justice [08:59] matey hyperbolabsd is the closest thing under the fsf umbrella that has any chance (> 0) of moving free software forward, rather than backwards or in circles. [08:59] TR News "If we did that, we'd have to send him back to Germany." https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-front-page-10-years-on-why-is-kim-dotcom-still-in-nz/V4EI36PFIYLS7YHYJGLQ73JWHY/ | Source: New Zealand Herald [08:59] TR Bot The Front Page: 10 years on - Why is Kim Dotcom still in NZ? - NZ Herald [08:59] matey it deserves a fair shake. unfortunately its sort of a ginger stepchild, caught between two worlds ● May 13 [09:00] matey openbsd will never support it, because theo (and crew) dont believe in the gpl [09:00] TR News "Lawyers acting for former Megaupload coders Bram van der Kolk and Mathias Ortmann" https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/megaupload-case-deal-done-now-only-kim-dotcom-facing-extradition-prospect-of-united-states-prison-cell/W666X7JXMDOUYVPVRTWIWEOPNQ/ | Source: New Zealand Herald [09:00] matey note that theo de raadt makes the BEST arguments against the gpl ive ever heard [09:00] TR Bot Megaupload case: Deal done, now only Kim Dotcom facing extradition, prospect of United States prison cell - NZ Herald [09:00] TR News "we have reached an agreement with the New Zealand Government" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/kim-dotcom-ap-new-zealand-megaupload-wellington-b2075299.html | Source: The Independent UK [09:00] TR Bot 2 make deal, leaving just Kim Dotcom facing US extradition | The Independent [09:00] matey (im sceptical that he knows what hes talking about) [09:00] TR News "The deal by former Megaupload officers Mathias Ortmann and Bram van der Kolk" https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/kim-dotcom-faces-u-s-extradition-after-pair-make-deal-1.5896063 | Source: CTV News [09:00] TR Bot timed out after 10517 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/kim-dotcom-faces-u-s-extradition-after-pair-make-deal-1.5896063 ) [09:01] TR News "Following the Russian invasion on February 24, Ukraine's fibre optic or cellular communication infrastructure connections were severed." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/russia-ramping-up-cyber-attacks-against-starlink-musk/91516169 | Source: India Times [09:01] matey my approach to the gpl is scientific. we need more data. if people want to use gpl im NOT against it. [09:01] TR Bot starlink: Russia ramping up cyber attacks against Starlink: Musk, CIO News, ET CIO [09:01] matey ive used it. i prefer 3 to 2. [09:01] TR News "I need to believe that the world isnt full of people eager to create more pain for a bereaved parent" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/11/opinion/vaccines-antivaxxers-pregnancy.html | Source: New York Times [09:01] TR Bot Opinion | I Lost My Baby. Then Antivaxxers Made My Pain Go Viral. - The New York Times [09:01] matey unlike with linux, stuck at gpl 2, we COULD fork the openbsd kernel and make it gpl 3 or later. [09:01] TR News "The manual recommends that activists locate C.P.C.s near abortion facilities," https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/12/opinion/crisis-pregnancy-centers-roe.html | Source: New York Times [09:01] TR Bot Opinion | Pregnant? Need Help? They Have an Agenda. - The New York Times [09:02] matey some people here are worried about "or later" under a failing fsf regime. theres reason in that argument as well. [09:02] matey i dont conflate reason with realism, or a good argument with a sound conclusion. [09:02] TR News "The House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis has found that major U.S. meat processors made baseless claims about meat shortages in order to convince the Trump administration to issue an executive order to keep plants operating as Covid-19 was ravaging the nation in the spring of 2020." https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-administration-meat-producers-covid-19-1352405/ | Source: Rolling Sto [09:02] TR Bot Meat Producers, Trump Admin. Lied about Shortages to Keep Plants Open - Rolling Stone [09:02] matey i dont think we have the answers to these questions yet-- but most people act like these are solved problems [09:02] matey the matter of permissive vs copyleft is NOT solved yet-- we DONT have a winner [09:03] matey i think its going to be years (minimum) before we honestly know which one is REALLY better [09:03] matey i think if we start with a healthy fsf, the gpl is probably the best bet-- 3 or later [09:03] matey without a healthy fsf, i dont think we have enough data yet. [09:03] TR News "Today, the European Commission presented publicly for the first time an EU draft law on mandatory chat control." https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-chat-control-bill-fundamental-rights-terrorism-against-trust-self-determination-and-security-on-the-internet/ | Source: Patrick Breyer [09:03] TR Bot EU chat control bill: fundamental rights terrorism against trust, self-determination and security on the Internet Patrick Breyer [09:03] TR News "E-reader apps havent replaced printed books, which schools and libraries often still buy because they own the paper versions, whereas e-books are licensed from publishers for a set period of time." https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/library-apps-book-ban-schools-conservative-parents-rcna26103 | Source: NBC [09:03] TR Bot Book ban efforts by conservative parents take aim at library apps [09:04] matey that doesnt mean everyone should just switch to permissive. [09:04] matey the best arguments FOR the gpl come not from the fsf, actually, but from the original makers of x11. [09:04] matey people should be more familiar with this debate. its not in any way one-sided [09:05] TR News Politicians: we need to spy on everything on the Web and social control media to stop terrorists. As if terrorists coordinate terror attacks in Twitter "private messages...." [09:05] matey note that this sort of rant started about hyperbolabsd. thats important context [09:05] matey with no support from openbsd, and no support (only technical approval) from the fsf [09:06] matey hyperbolabsd deserves its day in the court of public opinion, WITHOUT the obvious biases from theo or even rms. [09:06] matey a fair trial, so to speak [09:06] matey it hasnt had that yet [09:07] matey and yet its the best opportunity, for a fork of openbsd that is more free and even more friendly [09:07] matey a better os than gnu/penguinshit. [09:07] matey but its never easy to say that in the early days-- like when gnu first chose an impossible kernel (it is) [09:08] matey and then got saddled with the kanye west of kernels, which would lead to the destruction of the project [09:08] matey if you want gnu to survive, in some form, [09:08] matey hyperbola COULD be the best (at least the most obvious) route away from the destruction and towards something useful [09:08] matey but like gnu itself, originally [09:08] matey the best things are a long shot [09:08] matey a moonshot. [09:08] matey if youre looking for a userfriendly way to get to the moon [09:09] matey in the late 1960s, no less [09:09] matey youre fucked, sorry. [09:09] matey grand goals require grand efforts. [09:09] matey if youre content with mediocrity and fatal compromise, theres "always" gnu/linux [09:09] matey a microsoft joint. have fun with that. [09:10] matey otherwise, theres a frontier ahead. [09:10] matey its not cozy, its not (always) comfortable [09:10] matey though it is seriously a (major) relief to get away from ALL THAT BULLSHIT with gnu/penguinshit [09:10] matey which was fucking awful. [09:10] matey note that my own associates (whom i believe in, long term) [09:11] matey do not rely on hyperbolabsd or even openbsd to succeed. [09:11] matey it doesnt hinge on that. [09:11] matey and yet, i think right now, openbsd is one avenue that provides a route BACK towards users controlling their computing [09:12] matey if you want to be pure about it-- all you have to do is NOT USE NON-FREE FIRMWARE [09:12] matey then, leah (and many others, including de raadt) will tell you not to worry SO MUCH about non-free firmware either [09:12] matey its a very nuanced and sometimes complicated argument [09:13] matey because shunning non-free firmware arguably JUST ISNT working as a road to MORE freedom [09:13] matey with drivers, openbsd has no non-free drivers. none. [09:13] matey they dont want to write and rewrite firmware, and theyre only one project. one os. not a movement. [09:14] matey the fsf policy on firmware is putting people on old hardware, in a way that isnt nearly as true for free drivers. [09:14] matey id much rather be a purist about it. thats EXACTLY why hyperbolabsd should get more attention. [09:15] matey theyre the ones standing for no non-free firmware in a real os. [09:15] matey as someone who would much rather be a purist about it... [09:16] matey when all the people who understand hardware and that side of things are saying-- even people who are worthy of better awards than the free software award [09:16] matey this wont work [09:16] matey we should hear them out [09:17] matey i dont even LIKE what im hearing [09:17] matey i dont LIKE global warming [09:18] matey id prefer that we could just keep flushing the planet down the toilet and you know, it would be just fine [09:18] matey that would be nice [09:18] TR News Moosync - music player Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164795 [09:18] TR Bot Moosync - music player | Tux Machines [09:18] matey id prefer that we could just source an endless supply of nazi laptops from 2008 and use those for fsdg compliance, you know [09:18] matey and put hyperbola on them, and be totally fucking free [09:18] matey IF IT WORKS [09:19] matey i dont believe that if a movement fails at something [09:19] matey and it REALLY DOES [09:19] matey we should prop it up with marketing and bullshit-- i dont believe in that [09:19] matey its why i hate the fsf [09:19] matey theyre lying and bullshitting. [09:19] matey you know what you get when you lie and bullshit for freedom? [09:20] matey you get fake freedom. you get non-freedom. you get bullshit freedom. [09:20] matey thats what we have. [09:20] matey so if something fails-- and im being specific here, about firmware [09:20] matey id rather consider someone reasonable but honest [09:20] matey over someone idealistic (even if theyre MY ideals) but also full of shit. [09:21] matey the fsf is full of shit. [09:21] matey free software (of the fully free variety) is what i want [09:21] matey i want free hardware TOO. not instead. [09:21] matey how can we get there? [09:21] matey people who are content to be told, to be lied to, to hear a NICE STORY [09:21] matey they can go with the fsf. [09:22] matey with that said-- as a ginger stepchild, hyperbola has less motive to bullshit people [09:22] matey i havent seen them pushing kool-aid on anyone (unless you consider trying to remove non-free firmware kool-aid. i dont, depending on how you push it) [09:23] matey so if hyperbola is the only honest part of the fsf left [09:23] matey and i think it probably is [09:23] matey and theyre not really part of the fsf [09:23] matey more like an offshoot project [09:23] matey an offshoot gnu, even. [09:23] matey theyre just trying too hard to do too good thing for people to fucking ignore them this way [09:24] matey unless theyre bullshit-- which i havent seen yet [09:24] TR News "Ah, this takes me back. I got my first computer back in 1984, and if I wanted to know anything about it I was on my own. Google didn't exist (the public Internet didn't exist at the time). I didn't have anyone I could ask about computer related things" gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/05/12.2 [09:24] matey so really, really, hyperbola needs a fairer shake [09:24] matey even if it takes them another 5 years to make a simple install iso for hyperbola bsd [09:24] matey what theyre trying to do is so ideal, it would be worth the wait [09:25] matey i understand that it might go nowhere [09:25] matey i think the people there are better than the people making devuan [09:25] TR News Sane YouTube FPS on FireFox on OpenBSD gemini://gemini.clehaxze.tw/gemlog/2022/05-13-sane-youtube-fps-on-firefox-on-openbsd.gmi [09:25] matey and devuan is a joke. [09:25] matey a joke i gave money and equipment to (well, thats more true than not) [09:26] TR News "The last two years of covid lockdown and stuff was extremely painful and isolating for me and i only just now feel like Im mentally calibrated and getting back on track emotionally" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi [09:26] matey i gave it to one of their developers for a closely (99%) related os project. [09:26] matey but devuan is still a joke [09:26] matey its become one [09:26] matey it became one too quickly [09:26] matey and hyperbolabsd hasnt, unless you consider it simply too ambitious [09:27] matey which to be fair (to the critics) is exactly the problem hurd had [09:27] matey it is a different kind of ambitious though. [09:27] matey hurd has a templeos-like quality to it [09:27] activelow which is? [09:27] matey in that the design is insane, and complicated, and the justification seems a bit pie-in-the-sky [09:28] matey after all these years i think its mostly tied to x86, but ive heard mitigations, but i dont think they mitigate anything completely [09:28] matey i think realistically, practically, youre stuck with x86-- a platform that is dying but wont die soon enough [09:29] matey on top of the fact that its impossible to find people (especially good people) who can bring hurd forward [09:29] matey so linux took over. oops. really, the fsf should have treated bsd, NOT linux, as an ally [09:30] matey since they both know what its like to be overshadowed by an absolute cunt from finland. [09:30] activelow apropos... struggling with termcaps, and vi currently [09:30] matey linux is a twat of a kernel, and the people who represent it, are only trying to sell apple. [09:30] activelow decided to ditch Vim, trying elvis... and lurking into nvi now which i scrape from gentoo archive [09:30] matey for fucks sake [09:30] matey this is the hill the fsf wants to, will, die on [09:31] matey they want to die for the same bullshit that exploited them and then took them hostage. [09:31] matey failed software foundation. [09:31] TR News ONLYOFFICE Docs v7.1 released: ARM compatibility, PDF to DOCX conversion, Print preview in spreadsheets and more Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164796 [09:31] TR Bot ONLYOFFICE Docs v7.1 released: ARM compatibility, PDF to DOCX conversion, Print preview in spreadsheets and more | Tux Machines [09:31] activelow tbh. i really think gnome isn't, how should i say, something to keep [09:31] matey hyperbola isnt trying to reinvent the kernel, and is unlike hurd that way [09:32] matey rather, as the fsf should be doing [09:32] matey hyperbolas insanity is to simply take something good and useful and try to make it more free [09:32] activelow and whatever else, gcc, ... [09:32] matey and free software is so sold out, aimless and upside-down [09:32] matey it cant appreciate the only people trying to do what the fsf USED to do [09:33] matey instead, stallman goes on lieplanet 2022b and says "if we had more people" [09:33] matey if we had more people [09:33] matey then we could do something [09:33] matey what does hyperbola say [09:33] matey even if we dont have more people, we will just keep trying [09:34] matey free software didnt start with many people [09:34] matey but it stood for something [09:34] matey now it stands for nothing, but it has more people [09:34] matey hyperbola: its not much, but its honest [09:34] matey fsf: its not honest, but its (still not much) [09:35] matey its fucking backwards that people give money to have people silence, smear and lie to them. [09:35] matey they give money to lieplanet-36 [09:35] matey but they wont even give an HONEST EVALUATION of hyperbola [09:35] matey they dont care [09:35] matey free software is MOSTLY bullshit at this point [09:35] matey but, since the alternatives are MORE bullshit [09:35] TR News All Good Things Must Come to An End | Blogging All About BSD Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164797 [09:35] TR Bot All Good Things Must Come to An End | Blogging All About BSD | Tux Machines [09:36] matey and free software is a very important cause [09:36] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164798 [09:36] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:36] matey the only REAL hope it has is to look for various efforts that CONTINUE to actually stand for anything [09:36] matey and support those-- AT LEAST with information, if not money and equipment. [09:36] matey its literally the least a real movement can do [09:36] matey instead, [09:37] matey it contends itself with mediocrity and lies. [09:37] matey bravo, lieplanet. [09:37] matey youre fucking frauds. [09:37] matey but hey [09:37] matey so are most people these days [09:37] matey most organisations [09:37] matey lying to people, so theyll be suckers who spread lies. [09:37] matey suckers who believe theres nothing better on the horizon [09:38] matey theres not much, its true [09:38] matey but id take something better over nothing better ever again. [09:38] matey instead, we get lieplanet and the fsf? [09:38] matey that makes no sense. keep looking. [09:38] matey and if people wont give hyperbola a fair shake [09:38] matey someone at least, should try harder to see to it that they do. [09:39] matey at least part of this is hyperbolas fault [09:39] matey they REALLY REALLY *REALLY* suck at self-promotion [09:39] matey which is, it should be noted, what they used to say about the fsf [09:39] matey today, self-promotion is about all the fsf even does [09:39] matey a typical fate for an old 501c3 [09:40] matey we can do better [09:40] matey what choice do we have [09:41] matey on the other side of the argument [09:42] matey just to be fair (read: honest) to the shorter-long-road-to-free-firmware people [09:42] matey the ones who dont think "just use an old thinkpad" is a road to a free-firmware future [09:43] matey their argument isnt only more nuanced [09:43] matey its also (clearly) more informed [09:43] matey and they too (like hyperbola [09:43] matey deserve a fair trial in the court of public opnion (even if the public obviously sucks at this) [09:44] matey these are solutions to the same problem, coming from opposite methodologies [09:44] activelow seems nvi editor hasn't got unicode... [09:44] matey until we have more data [09:44] matey both deserve better evaluation [09:44] matey the fsf wont bother [09:45] matey theyre happy to go in circles until the money stops coming [09:45] matey theyre going to go back to corporate sponsors [09:45] matey i mean [09:46] matey they still shill for corporate bullshit as much as ever before [09:46] matey if theyre not getting paid for it, thats progress in a sense [09:46] matey but all the shills they welcome and support [09:46] matey i mean, hooray for not taking bribes. [09:47] matey boo for bringing identical results, to the results it would bring if you DID take bribes. [09:47] matey i dont know what more needs to be said about the fsf for people to have a fucking clue [09:47] matey maybe you can just hand out cluebats with a diagram of how to use it [09:47] matey and hope that people find a way to hit themselves with it. [09:48] matey the truth is, given time [09:48] matey people will figure this out. but thats too long a wait, to not give it a push. [09:48] TR News KDE Connect comes to iPhone with an iOS app http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164660#comment-33647 [09:48] TR Bot KDE Connect Arrives on iPhone and iPad For Linux Fans | Tux Machines [09:49] matey and i guess the librecomputer roc renegade is worth a look [09:50] matey i swear i had one of those [09:50] matey i didnt look at it too much [09:50] *Guest54005 has quit (Client exited) [09:51] TR News Nvidia takes first step toward open source Linux GPU drivers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164748#comment-33648 [09:51] TR Bot NVIDIA Releases Open-Source GPU Kernel Modules | Tux Machines [09:53] leah matey: in the past, firmware was almost always on a rom/flash on the device [09:54] leah nowadays, to cut costs, companies do away with that and have firmware be uploaded by the driver [09:54] leah it saves a few cents per card/device [09:54] leah that seems small, but at scale we're talking billions [09:54] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164799 [09:54] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [09:54] leah not just in terms of hardware cost, but development cost/time [09:55] leah if the firmware is separate from the hardware, handled by your os instead, that means the company can develop the hardware faster, and fix any bugs in firmware later [09:55] leah for this reason, i actually think it's better that firmware be handled by your kernel [09:56] leah and i want that firmware to be there. not including it is technically ignorant in this context, because it ignores the fact that your linux-libre-compatible device just has the same kind of firmware baked in [09:56] leah firmware-in-linux is a good thing, because: [09:56] leah 1) it can be RE'd and replaced with libre firmware later [09:56] leah 2) even without #1, or with #1, you can get updates to fix bugs [09:56] leah i regard it as superior, and even desirable [09:56] matey this is what i mean [09:56] matey its an INFORMED process [09:56] leah in terms of freedom, it makes zero difference to the old way of doing it [09:57] matey the fsf for some reason-- cant provide that [09:57] leah in terms of freedom out of the box, that is [09:57] leah the fsf's policies were correct 10 years ago [09:57] leah well [09:57] leah they were still wrong in theory, but worked in practise [09:57] leah nowadays, those policies are no longer practical [09:57] matey this is why we need these debates [09:57] leah and should be reformed [09:57] matey not intellectual pissing matches-- i mean debate in the higher sense of the word [09:57] leah matey: i'm planning a major change to libreboot, on this basis [09:58] leah i'm going to *scrap* osboot and merge it with libreboot [09:58] matey id really like to endorse osboot [09:58] matey i really really would [09:58] leah and make libreboot have a more debian-like policy [09:58] matey in some ways, i cant yet. [09:58] matey but [09:58] matey what i will do instead [09:58] leah libreboot will stay as it is right now, for existing supported boards [09:58] matey is endorse the idea that everyone give it a fair evaluation [09:58] leah boards where coreboot is all libre, but neutered ME is needed, those will also go in libreboot, in the main branch even [09:58] matey because thats something i believe it should definitely have [09:58] leah why? because intel ME firmware isn't part of coreboot. it could just aswell be on another chip [09:59] leah the flash is partitioned that way [09:59] leah i regard x230 with osboot as no different freedom-wise to x200 with libreboot [09:59] matey as much as i hate debian now [09:59] matey im extremely fond of many of their old policies [09:59] leah libreboot's policy will evolve to be more like debian [09:59] leah there is an exception: [09:59] matey they were part of the reason i loved debian in the first place [09:59] leah where a board does need blobs in coreboot, those will also be present, but separated [09:59] leah into another branch ● May 13 [10:00] matey good [10:00] leah similar to debian non-free/contrib repo [10:00] leah so [10:00] leah as you can see: [10:00] leah this new policy will be very different from both the current libreboot *and* osboot projects [10:00] leah it'll be even more nuanced [10:00] leah more nuanced than current libreboot/osboot policies [10:00] matey its very freedom 4 [10:00] leah freedom 4? [10:01] leah fsf defines freedom 0 through 3 [10:01] leah what's 4? [10:01] matey https://techrights.org/2019/12/10/the-fifth-freedom-as-a-meme/ [10:01] TR Bot The Fifth Freedom as a Meme | Techrights [10:01] matey something i commissioned (there was no exchange of funds, goods or services) [10:01] matey i think we need it. i take the 4 freedoms seriously. [10:02] leah ok [10:02] matey the 4 freedoms were built on an IMPLICIT fifth freedom [10:02] matey anyway [10:02] leah yes, say what you want about the fsf but: [10:02] leah the four freedoms are paramount [10:02] matey yes [10:02] matey without them theres no free software [10:02] leah they at least get the fsd correct [10:02] leah free software definition [10:02] leah i support and adhere to it [10:03] matey i compared the fsd to the constitution and then sent that comparison to lawrence lessig [10:03] matey im a fan. [10:03] leah but the fsd is the only part i'm interested in [10:03] matey its the best part at least [10:03] leah ideologically, i'm on the openbsd side of things [10:03] matey using it right now [10:03] leah but openbsd doesn't rigorously define what "free software" actually is [10:03] matey "its only the os gnu COULDVE been" [10:03] leah they just say: here's the code. everyone can use it. enjoy [10:04] matey openbsd isnt a movement, its an os. [10:04] leah right [10:04] matey we need a movement, openbsd will still be an os. [10:04] matey thats why they dont care about firmware [10:04] matey they dont WANT to write firmware [10:04] leah yes, they limit the scope of their endeavour [10:04] leah it's very clever of them [10:04] matey its sane. [10:04] matey sanity doesnt always get a fair shake [10:05] leah well, sane isn't the right word [10:05] matey probably because so few of us experience it on a regular basis [10:05] leah i would prefer the term "consistent" [10:05] matey maybe reasonable [10:05] leah "well defined" [10:05] matey whatever it is, it makes sense [10:05] matey for them at least [10:05] leah the bsd mentality is something you learn by simply using bsd [10:06] matey what do you think of root bsd [10:06] matey the guy, the channel [10:06] leah never heard of it [10:06] matey fair enough [10:06] leah anyway, openbsd is very correct [10:06] leah the way they do things [10:06] matey have you ever used a librecomputer roc renegade? [10:06] leah no [10:06] matey ok [10:07] leah but that sounds interesting, just from the name [10:07] matey i may have owned one [10:07] matey very briefly [10:07] leah what is it? [10:07] matey oh its an soc [10:07] matey im always looking for things that get us closer to free hardware [10:07] matey i think this is free in the sense of the firmware it runs [10:08] matey not free like free hardware will be when we really have free hardware [10:08] matey libre hardware, as you put it [10:08] matey hp and apple both started literally in a garage [10:08] matey i think people should think about that when they think of sam zeloof [10:09] matey this is how you change the world [10:09] matey (red hat started in a flat in north carolina) [10:09] leah modern chips are fundamentally the same as what sam produces [10:09] leah they started from that point [10:09] leah the companies slowly refined their processes over time [10:10] leah there is no reason why normal people can't do the same [10:10] matey its funny how people who work with iterative processes with software CONSTANTLY [10:10] matey dont understand that EVERYTHING works that way [10:10] matey evolution, business, science. [10:10] matey duh! [10:10] leah exactly [10:10] matey hardware [10:10] leah when you look at something that seems complex, it's actually very simple underneath, at a fundamental level [10:10] matey there seems to be this weird mythology [10:10] leah human beings can't think in complex ways on a grand scale [10:11] matey or superstition [10:11] matey that software invented that sort of process [10:11] matey it sped it up... [10:11] leah a program you write that's tens of thousands of lines is probably only doing a few things [10:11] matey it made it so you could see it in realtime [10:11] matey but that same kind of thing is everywhere [10:11] matey but when stallman talks about free culture :/ or free hardware [10:11] matey hes like [10:11] matey seriously-- hes like [10:11] leah what makes something complicated seem scary is that it's unknown [10:11] matey no, only software can do that [10:12] matey SOFTWARE IS DIFFERENT! [10:12] matey its NOT!!!! [10:12] leah i have advice: [10:12] leah stop thinking in terms of fsf/rms [10:12] matey i honestly dont [10:12] leah your current thought pattern stems from comparing yourself to them [10:12] leah simply be better [10:12] leah and define yourself as your own thing [10:12] leah that's what i've been trying to do [10:12] matey you dont have to believe me but [10:12] matey im already there. ive been there, for years. [10:13] matey what im trying to do is [10:13] matey help OTHER PEOPLE stuck there [10:13] leah i do believe you, based on our most recent conversations [10:13] matey to get to where youre talking about [10:13] leah you left the matrix [10:13] leah fsf = matrix [10:13] matey yeah but [10:13] matey for me its turning a little bit into the 3rd film [10:13] activelow ... elvis seems too complicated... digging into nvi now [10:14] matey i want peace, but never peace without freedom [10:14] matey and as much as i stood against the lies of open source [10:14] matey i will stand against open source lies coming from the fsf [10:14] matey i will even stand against free software lies [10:14] leah anyway, i will get back to my work [10:14] matey any kind of lie [10:14] matey cheers [10:14] activelow it was wiped from the gentoo tree, in the archives it is still available, although no unicode there isn't iregularities at first glance, such as seen with elvis or busybox-vi [10:15] leah i have stock purchases, plus several errands to do [10:15] matey thanks for the update (it was an update of a sort) [10:15] matey i dont envy your workload. good luck [10:15] leah there is a purpose to the proposed libreboot/osboot merger [10:15] matey how would it work [10:15] matey it sounds impossible [10:15] leah how would it work? [10:15] matey or is that what you meant with the non-free repo [10:16] matey like how debian does it [10:16] leah yeah, similar to debian [10:16] matey sorry ive got 2 and 2 and the sum, and im putting them together now [10:16] matey 2 + 2 = 4, got it [10:16] leah both lbmk and osbmk (libreboot and osboot repos) will be discontinued [10:16] matey wow [10:16] leah the osbmk one will be copied to librebootstrap [10:16] matey :) thats going to piss off some people [10:16] leah and then the repo will be called: librebootstrap.git [10:16] leah matey: yes, it will [10:17] leah but who? [10:17] matey when it does, i have a metaphor [10:17] matey did you see robin hood men in tights? [10:17] leah who will it piss off [10:17] matey ever [10:17] matey silly people. [10:17] matey it will piss off silly people [10:17] leah you mean fsf people? [10:17] matey with any luck [10:17] leah i've thought of what will happen [10:17] leah i bet one of them forks libreboot [10:17] matey "look man, we dont need this bridge" [10:17] leah but the fork will die, if they fork it with intent to stick to current policy [10:17] matey "im on one side, im on the other side!" [10:18] leah because then the fork will only be compatible with hardware you can't buy [10:18] *belak_ (~belak@2607:fcd0:aa80:1304::bf2d) has joined #techrights [10:18] matey -- robin hood, men in tights [10:18] matey "it doesnt matter, its the principle of the thing!" [10:18] leah you can't feasibly buy anything that libreboot currently supports [10:18] leah supply dried up [10:18] matey yeah. [10:18] leah this is continuity [10:18] matey i noticed that. [10:18] matey right! [10:18] leah accepting reality and doing the best with the current situation [10:18] leah i call it: [10:18] leah pragmatism [10:18] matey ooh i hate that word [10:18] matey its a weasel word for sure [10:18] leah what word woul dyou use? [10:19] matey anything else. even a slur would be better [10:19] matey but [10:19] matey what youre actually doing sounds like a reasonable idea [10:19] matey and im quibbling over the word pragmatism [10:19] matey i just hate that word [10:19] leah the main reason i did osboot as a separate project was precisely to test the waters [10:19] matey open source ruined it [10:19] leah i wanted to see what people would think of it, without actually doing it [10:19] matey in fairness, the fsf has used it. [10:19] leah and i find: osboot is getting popular [10:19] leah people like it [10:19] matey because its a good idea. [10:20] matey and sometimes, given time [10:20] leah the same kinds of people that liked libreboot, now like osboot [10:20] leah they see it as a natural evolution [10:20] matey people actually like good ideas [10:20] leah i've found that the exact same type of people who go for libreboot, go for osboot [10:20] leah they see both as essentially the same project [10:20] matey they will too [10:20] matey for what its worth, i think its probably inevitable at this point [10:20] leah i'm confident that 95% of people will be happy/indifferent about the move [10:20] matey for obvious reasons [10:20] leah osboot started as an experiment outside of libreboot [10:21] matey by the way [10:21] leah i always intended to merge it back [10:21] matey exactly how dried up is the supply [10:21] leah i was going to do an osboot back in 2016 [10:21] leah but had to deal with personal stuff for a few years. i got back into dev back in 2020, and started the osboot project [10:22] matey im making a prediction about the fsf and osboot [10:22] matey specifically the merge [10:22] leah what do you predict? [10:22] matey this is my prediction :) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=PDP245bQ6Fk [10:22] TR Bot Robin Hood: Men in Tights - Bridge Fight - Invidious [10:22] matey its 1:30 [10:22] matey but priceless [10:23] matey sorry, i lied. 2:09 [10:23] matey the best part is in the first 20 seconds though [10:23] leah they won't do a damn thing [10:24] leah if they do, they lose [10:24] matey thats what theyre best at at this point [10:24] matey doing nothing and losing [10:24] matey it really fucks me off [10:24] leah any action they take would end up promoting the new initiative [10:24] matey but [10:24] matey im used to it too [10:24] leah so they will do nothing [10:24] matey yeah [10:24] matey theyre going to become the fucking silent foundation [10:24] matey (they already are) [10:24] matey they cant talk about any effort to pull their sorry arses out of the quagmire [10:24] leah now, tell me [10:24] matey thats what theyve painted themselves into [10:25] leah what do you think happens to ryf libreboot sellers? [10:25] matey do not care [10:25] matey but why do you ask [10:25] leah me neither. but it's amusing to think about [10:25] leah post-merge i mean [10:25] matey lol [10:25] TR News Links 13/05/2022: End of About BSD | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/13/about-bsd/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/13/about-bsd/ [10:25] TR Bot Links 13/05/2022: End of About BSD | Techrights [10:25] leah they'll be in a very awkward position [10:25] matey wait [10:25] matey someone [10:25] matey someone [10:25] matey might fork [10:25] matey i dont think they will [10:26] matey libreosboot :) [10:26] matey no, that [10:26] leah they will [10:26] leah and it will fail [10:26] matey hey! did you notice the linux kernel violates the fsdg? [10:26] matey i mean linux-libre does [10:26] leah did i notice? [10:26] leah no, i didn't notice that [10:26] matey linux-libre violates the fsdg [10:26] leah how does it violate fsdg? [10:26] matey well, i mean if you remake a distro right [10:26] matey to make it fsdg [10:26] matey you cant refer to the original distro [10:26] matey you cant call it libredebian for example [10:27] leah meh [10:27] matey or librearch [10:27] matey but linux-libre gets a free pass [10:27] matey its sheer exceptionalism [10:27] leah i'm meh'ing the fuck out of that [10:27] matey well i mean [10:27] matey its angels dancing on the head of a pin talk [10:27] matey its just for fun [10:27] matey it means very little [10:28] matey it wont ever be a scandal because when all reasonable options have been exausted [10:28] matey theres nothing left but arbitrary exceptions [10:28] leah it's a cult of people using computers that regularly kernel panic, do not have 3D acceleration and do not have functioning wifi [10:28] matey but worse than that [10:29] matey they still suck off the same corporations they allegedly stand against the corruption of [10:29] leah they'll all hypocrites, every last one of them [10:29] matey "we dont hate microsoft, only the corrupted parts!" [10:29] leah every single one of them [10:29] matey "so, only 99.999% of it" [10:29] leah they do nothing to progress the movement [10:29] leah nothing at all [10:29] matey they'll all hypocrites <- this is what im getting at [10:29] leah while actively discouraging others [10:29] matey i mean [10:29] matey in the end, so is every last person but [10:29] leah i'm gonna get back to my work [10:29] leah we've had this conversation already [10:29] matey some people are known for integrity [10:29] matey yeah [10:29] matey cheers [10:30] leah everyone knows the fsf sucks [10:30] matey but theyre still afraid to say it [10:30] matey it will make them bad people... [10:30] matey theyll have to leave the temple and enter the world again :| [10:31] matey the big bad world full of non-freedom [10:31] *mib_fdykxq (~b9dc6544@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [10:31] matey non-freedom lurking on every corner [10:31] matey and the only way they know to fight is JOIN US TODAY! [10:31] matey so we can teach you to be dependent on exceptionalism [10:32] *mib_fdykxq has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [10:32] matey better that we teach people how to delete non-free software [10:32] matey and make it easier to do so [10:32] matey than to set up temples where it is done by priests [10:33] matey only because theyve failed [10:33] matey i mean its probably better in terms of education too [10:33] matey but either way, the new fsf sucks at it [10:33] matey "here, eat your github, its good for you" [10:34] matey "but i dont want" "shut up, there are kids mining coltan in third world countries! EAT YOUR GITHUB!" [10:34] matey "its got a free license! shut up and eat it" [10:35] leah fsf left the temple [10:35] leah we're all still in it [10:36] activelow assume, i wanted to use elvis or nvi instead of vim, for one or another reason... unicode... [10:36] matey i really think the cult is corporate, and the fsf moved their temple into that [10:36] leah look at fsf.org on the wayback machine from 90s and early 2000s [10:36] matey i do [10:36] matey even recently [10:36] leah you'll see they were more pragmatic and reasonable in the past [10:36] activelow the reasoning ... elvis editor was stable for a decade or two... then unicode came along [10:36] matey well they had less paint to corner themselves with [10:36] leah that's the fsf i support [10:36] leah it no longer exists [10:37] leah and never will [10:37] matey give it time, theyll paint everything in the world except the corners [10:37] activelow similar situation, with gnome/gtk/harfbuzz [10:37] activelow awesome [10:37] matey but theyve nearly run out of paint too [10:37] matey it no longer exist <- this is whats beautiful about history [10:37] matey its like recipe [10:37] matey the cookies are gone [10:37] matey we can make more! [10:37] leah god damnit [10:37] leah now i want cookies [10:38] matey sorry [10:38] leah it's ok [10:38] leah i'll buy some later from the bakery [10:40] leah i don't dare make them [10:40] leah because i'll make many [10:40] leah and eat them all in a day [10:40] leah i don't trust myself to exercise restraint [10:40] matey you could just put fewer on the pan [10:40] leah plus i always end up eating the cookie dough, like half of it, before it even enters the oven [10:40] matey the sheet rather [10:41] matey plus i always end up eating the cookie dough <- you could make less dough too [10:41] leah doesn't work like that [10:41] matey yeah i know :) [10:41] leah not with me [10:41] matey not with anyone [10:41] leah i will eat it all [10:41] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:41] matey eat all the things! [10:41] leah and not just the dough. but the chocolate too [10:42] matey yeah thats what i do for chocolate really [10:42] matey i buy chips [10:42] leah chips are worse [10:42] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164800 [10:42] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [10:42] matey what do you recommend [10:42] leah you could literally murder me by handing me too many crisps [10:42] leah because i'll eat them all [10:42] leah and suffer a stroke [10:42] matey oh no i meant chocolate chips [10:42] leah no idea [10:42] TR News Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164801 [10:42] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [10:42] TR News Devices and Open Hardware leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164802 [10:42] TR Bot Devices and Open Hardware leftovers | Tux Machines [10:42] matey what do you call the things you put in cookies? [10:43] leah chocolate chips? [10:43] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164803 [10:43] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [10:43] matey yes [10:43] matey ok, same page now [10:43] leah oh sorry i thought you were talking about potato chips [10:43] leah which i call crisps [10:43] matey tayto = best ones [10:43] matey cheese and onion [10:43] leah is that a brand? [10:43] leah never seen it before [10:44] matey big in northern ireland [10:44] leah i'm scanning the supermarket shelves in my head and i don't see it [10:44] leah must just be an irish thing [10:44] matey may have invented the first flavoured crisps [10:44] matey i guarantee mjgs had them [10:44] leah makes sense [10:44] leah irish people and potatoes [10:44] leah makes sense they'd have better crisps too [10:44] matey yeah but-- in fairness to the rest of the uk [10:45] matey i had some really good ones that were steak flavoured [10:45] matey and those were british (but not from any part of ireland/ni) [10:45] SomeH4x0r schestowitz: https://techrights.org/home 500 Internal Server Error [10:45] TR Bot ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/home ) [10:45] leah anyway [10:45] SomeH4x0r I now go afk [10:45] leah work to do! [10:45] leah thanks for the chat [10:45] matey cheers [10:46] matey SomeH4x0r: http://techrights.org/index/ is loading [10:46] TR Bot Welcome to Techrights [10:56] *goosestepping_ (~goosestepping@m2zr7niwe8qqe.irc) has joined #techrights [10:57] *techrights_guest|8 (~7360db4c@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [10:58] *techrights_guest|8 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● May 13 [11:00] TR News Public Knowledge Applauds Bill Creating Digital Regulator To Rein In Big Tech https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-applauds-bill-creating-digital-regulator-to-rein-in-big-tech/ [11:00] TR Bot Public Knowledge Applauds Bill Creating Digital Regulator To Rein In Big Tech - Public Knowledge [11:01] TR News Shiva Stella uses Microsoft lobbyists' term, "Big Tech", distracting from Microsoft's crimes. Well, Stella's "Public Knowledge" added a Microsofter to the Board. Maybe that's why... [11:07] schestowitz SomeH4x0r: I think we had a load spike at that moment [11:08] schestowitz let me know if it happens again [11:14] matey grapheneos uses openbsd malloc [11:15] *bnchs (~bnchs@xjb4h7za4n7nw.irc) has joined #techrights [11:28] SomeH4x0r schestowitz: still doesn't work [11:32] SomeH4x0r matey: /index/, but not /home [11:32] SomeH4x0r also, the user I'm telling about techrights, did ask why no onion service [11:36] matey [A[Aroy doesnt seem big on tor... i dont want to spread any bs about this, he doesnt seem entirely against it either [11:37] SomeH4x0r you can come to UplinkIRC for now, I'm telling about techrights to a user there [11:37] SomeH4x0r unless they went afk [11:38] matey im here [11:38] matey im not really interested in channel hopping [11:39] matey all this effort rarely results in so much as a single conversation, though barto and i did talk at least once [11:40] SomeH4x0r I don't know what happened to barto. Probably memory issues. [11:40] matey drug-related? [11:40] SomeH4x0r no. It is a common pattern I see on UplinkIRC among newcomers. [11:40] SomeH4x0r They sometimes even promise to stay, but leave soon regardless [11:41] matey yeah, its honestly a waste of time to teach people who have that sort of attention span [11:41] matey i mean im not against it [11:41] matey if it happens, thats great [11:41] matey but its a lot of effort with very little return [11:41] matey also, i think theres a mismatch (obviously) [11:41] matey between their level of interest [11:41] matey and anything we can offer them [11:42] matey if they have a question, cool [11:42] SomeH4x0r they come from Steam+Windows most of the time [11:42] matey right [11:42] *goosestepping_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:42] SomeH4x0r I assume they are brainwashed by Discord too, but there is no direct evidence to say [11:42] matey so if they have a question, it can sometimes be answered [11:42] matey a lot of the time though... [11:42] matey i mean most questions dont even have useful answers [11:42] matey if youre just casually exploring from windows+steam [11:42] matey you have to try stuff. [11:43] matey i tell people the best way to get familiar with any free softwar [11:43] matey because it really is [11:43] SomeH4x0r Uplink game has a built-in IRC client. As this page [https://web.archive.org/web/20090913002159/http://www.multiwinia-ladder.net/flamebot.php] says, many don't even realize the purpose of it. [11:43] TR Bot Flamebot [11:43] matey yeah ive seen the built in client from the walkthrough of the game [11:43] matey ive never played it-- but ive seen it [11:44] matey ive seen like half the game [11:44] SomeH4x0r there are some screenshots on mobygames, but behind clownflare [11:44] matey ive seen the beginning, the middle, the ending (two endings) [11:44] matey ive seen pretty much all there is to see in the game [11:45] SomeH4x0r Skywave did play it too [11:46] matey i think hes kind of a dick [11:46] matey but thats what happens when you talk about politics online [11:47] matey i do too, im sure MANY people think im a dick [11:47] matey but im anti-authoritarian (after a fashion) and he seems pro-authoritarian [11:47] SomeH4x0r I did recently trigger some people when CP appeared, and the channel went mad, and my opinion was that censorship is not acceptable no matter what files are sent [11:47] SomeH4x0r (the links were sent by another users) [11:48] SomeH4x0r *user [11:48] matey I did recently trigger some people when CP appeared <- jesus christ im glad i avoid that channel [11:48] SomeH4x0r they did set a ban and I didn't bother evading it [11:48] matey i dont understand, if youre banned how are you there now [11:49] SomeH4x0r they did set a ban after I did talk that censorship is not ok [11:49] matey same question [11:49] SomeH4x0r iirc they didn't ban the user who sent the links, but it was probably a webchat [11:50] matey how are you there now [11:50] SomeH4x0r it was on another network I did connect to recently [11:50] matey oh okay [11:52] bnchs SomeH4x0r, CP bomb? [11:52] SomeH4x0r what is it? [11:52] bnchs i mean what happened [11:52] bnchs did someone send CP? [11:52] SomeH4x0r yes, or at least someone else assumed it was [11:53] bnchs awful [11:54] SomeH4x0r an issue here is that if we can criminalize/immoralize some kinds of *files*, there is no reason why other kinds of files can't be criminalized/immoralized as well. [11:55] SomeH4x0r so we either allow *everything*, or put up with filesharing being destroyed by governments agents infiltrating our communities [11:57] Skywave communities can have rules about what they want to do and what information they want to move around their areas. that is fine. [11:58] matey the devils in the details [11:58] matey for both sides of the argument ● May 13 [12:00] SomeH4x0r now I'm thinking of bringing this topic to other places to see how many communities are free speech-hostile [12:01] SomeH4x0r I assume discussing CP can't bring anyone to legal trouble? [12:01] matey maybe ask a lawyer [12:02] SomeH4x0r an issue here is that there are people from different jurisdictions, and there might be countries where it is illegal [12:02] matey indeed [12:02] matey right now in russia its illegal to criticise the government [12:02] matey or at least you can go to jail for it [12:03] matey which sounds a lot like being illegal [12:03] matey but if every rule is made up on the spot, youre not talking about legal or illegal, just trends [12:05] matey but in most places its legal to criticise russia [12:07] SomeH4x0r I also do hate these SJW trends. They generally find some bad thing and start worldwide harassment campaigns. BLM, now Ukraine. Perhaps GamerGate in the past, but I perhaps wasn't around when it happened. [12:08] SomeH4x0r I'm not sure if COVID-19 actions belong there. There was/is some harassment against those who disobey the measures. [12:09] SomeH4x0r there may or may not be lasting damage. There was from BLM. The stupid changes to names will persist. [12:09] SomeH4x0r e.g. master -> main [12:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #techrights [12:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.26 k/sec., IPFS upstream 37.03 average k/sec., average swarm size 385.00 [12:10] SomeH4x0r *BLM in the past, now Ukraine [12:10] matey even the people who pushed master -> main still use the word master in various contexts [12:10] matey its sheer hypocrisy [12:10] matey "i can tell you what to do but you can tell me shit" [12:14] SomeH4x0r also the mental health damage will last. I will now always know large amounts o people are stupid. [12:14] SomeH4x0r *of people [12:15] matey I will now always know large amounts o people are stupid. <- thats not a mental health issue. thats simply awareness. [12:16] SomeH4x0r "awareness" is not always true, because there are controlled opposition projects as a trap [12:16] matey but being aware of how things really are is not a mental health issue [12:16] matey if anything, its one of the closest things we have to a definition of sanity [12:17] matey though i dont think its entirely fair, as one can still have an active imagination and still be sane, i think [12:17] matey but then you can have an active imagination and still be reasonably aware of how things actually are [12:18] SomeH4x0r like Mozilla being about fake privacy [12:18] matey indeed [12:18] matey mozilla is a fucking joke [12:19] SomeH4x0r someone did mention here about EFF using its former reputation to do shit. It is the same for the others big privacy companies. [12:19] matey eff sucks too [12:19] matey organisations sell out [12:20] matey when that happens, you have to decide whether to put your faith in people, or corrupt institutions [12:20] matey people suck, but theyre not all bad [12:21] matey an institution is a tool [12:21] matey its an amplifier [12:21] matey when it stops amplifying good and favours bullshit, its not useful anymore [12:21] matey i mean a hammer is a hammer whether you use it to hit nails or hit yourself [12:21] matey but if you have a hammer that always hits you and another that does what its supposed to [12:22] matey id say put down the one that keeps hitting you (somehow) and use the other one [12:22] matey with institutions, people are remarkably slow to do this! [12:22] matey they just keep hitting themselves. [12:29] activelow this is how i'll do it: keep busybox vi (flawed unicode pre-init emergyncy shell), keep nvi (unicode handling ok, limited use while working as root), and vim for regular programming [12:30] activelow if unicode didn't nuke elvis i probably would have used only this [12:31] activelow and makes me wonder, because wikipedia mentions elvis remains the default vi editor there, how they coped with unicode [12:31] activelow vim is very powerful, what annoys me currently is it's slow startup time (4seconds), probably due to plugins loaded [12:32] activelow so, i'll debug which plugin(s) it is causing headache [12:33] activelow the nano emacs clone is noteworthy too, it's binary size is 3x of mg (openbsd emacs clone), mg got no unicode either [12:33] activelow not sure what to think about emacs, the regular one, seems to be a typical GNU heavyweight [12:38] activelow vim seems the only editor i am willing to use, didn't learn emacs (except for the minimal basics with mg) [12:39] activelow the confusion and incompatibilities among vi clones is bad enough, didn't arrive at neovim, probably never will [12:40] activelow with emacs on top, that's dozens of keystrokes to memorize, commands, options... got other things to do [12:41] activelow the copy-buffer handling with dvtm+vim is practical, together with the concept of master and stacking area [12:42] activelow i only noticed, when i increased the scrollback buffer of dvtm, this used alot of RAM quickly, because this is statically allocated per shell-window [12:44] activelow another one with vim, which made me consider it's removal... some plugins poisoned the register buffer [12:45] activelow and when pasting this could flood gibberish... which too could be dangerous ... i'll not use vim as root anymore [12:45] activelow nvi or mg must suffice as an editor for root [12:47] activelow noted on todo, patch Vim to check for uid==0 _before_ it can load any plugin, and exit... instantly [12:48] activelow i meant to say, minix used elvis as editor, not sure how they cope with unicode then [12:58] *goosestepping_ (~goosestepping@u8i2fmigv6unq.irc) has joined #techrights [12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 11.63 average k/sec., average swarm size 329.63 [12:59] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● May 13 [13:01] *goosestepping_ has quit (connection closed) [13:34] *immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:35] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:37] *immibis_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [13:50] SomeH4x0r 15:49 < Dave2> lol, techrights. Irrelevant and wrong when it was Boycott Novell, irrelevant and wrong now. [13:56] SomeH4x0r 15:55 < Dave2> Well, Boycott Novell was pretty stupid because Novell never actually did anything bad and it was a massive conspiracy theory. Thankfully techrights is pretty irrelevant so I don't get exposed to it too much, plus I blocked Schestowitz on Twitter because he was crapping up my searches. He was entirely wrong about the freenode situation, he acted like Trump with his constant assertions [13:56] SomeH4x0r that were entirely unfounded, he seems to be fine with slurs and/or hate [13:56] SomeH4x0r 15:55 < Dave2> speech from people who support him but happily mutes people who do not, he doesn't seem to understand that RMS is a fucking liability due to being a creepy fuck who needs to learn how to behave around other people so that they don't feel the need to buy plants for their offices to avoid being harassed by him, but mostly I'm thankful I don't have to pay any attention because, again, [13:56] SomeH4x0r utterly irrelevant [13:57] SomeH4x0r 15:57 < Dave2> tbh I'd almost go as far as to class him as being evil, his vocal presence is certainly a net negative on the world [13:57] *forkbombe has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:59] SomeH4x0r matey: ^ do you have anything for me to send back? ● May 13 [14:00] SomeH4x0r 15:59 < Dave2> He doesn't even have the benefit that Bryan Lunduke has where he at least is funny until you realise he's a fucking prick who picks fights for attention in a way that willfully misrepresents the truth and drives discourse in a shitty way to just make life worse for everyone [14:13] TR News "While I've still been active with elpher development, my phlog has slipped off the radar a bit. And that's okay! Slow internet and all that." gemini://thelambdalab.xyz/phlog/2022-05-13-A-minute.txt [14:19] TR News "'Get plugged into education!' with Moodle will be the first project in a series of hackathons part of a joint initiative launched by The United Nations Office of Information and Communications Technology (OICT) and the Directorate-General for Informatics of European Commission (DG DIGIT)." https://blog.opensource.org/join-upcoming-hackathon-get-plugged-into-education-with-moodle/ [14:19] TR Bot Join upcoming hackathon Get plugged into education! with Moodle [14:20] TR News Or just disable the darn thing and trust yourself, neither your key nor Microsoft https://mivehind.net/2022/05/12/secureboot-signing-with-your-own-key/ [14:20] TR Bot Secureboot Signing With Your Own Key [14:22] TR News I've begun skipping ANY howtos that q43 AWS-specific. AWS is proprietary software and vendor lock-in. No point arguing about this; I know that too well from my nighttime job. FUCK AWS. [14:24] schestowitz-TR SomeH4x0r: what is the source of that? I guess some IRC channel [14:24] schestowitz-TR dave is wrong on many levels [14:24] schestowitz-TR do you want me to respond? [14:24] SomeH4x0r UplinkIRC [14:24] schestowitz-TR I will respond [14:24] SomeH4x0r irc.uplinkcorp.net/+6000 (/6667) #uplink [14:24] schestowitz-TR [13:50] 15:49 < Dave2> lol, techrights. Irrelevant and wrong when it was Boycott Novell, irrelevant and wrong now. [14:24] schestowitz-TR funny that [14:25] schestowitz-TR some prominent developers attribute to demise of Novell to us [14:25] schestowitz-TR because we led a good campaign for years [14:25] SomeH4x0r the channel is full of normies. I don't know about the regulars, but there are players coming all the time, from Windows+Steam [14:25] schestowitz-TR [13:56] 15:55 < Dave2> Well, Boycott Novell was pretty stupid because Novell never actually did anything bad and it was a massive conspiracy theory. [14:25] schestowitz-TR it was a conspiracy [14:25] schestowitz-TR Novell conspired with Microsoft [14:25] schestowitz-TR against Red Hat and everyone else [14:25] schestowitz-TR and it failed [14:26] schestowitz-TR they conspired using patents [14:26] schestowitz-TR and people reacted [14:26] SomeH4x0r is there some logs link I can send? [14:26] SomeH4x0r for #techrights [14:26] schestowitz-TR if he thinks a patent collusion and attack on copyleft, ODF etc. is "did anything bad" then tell him Microsoft is hiring.. oh, wait... it doesn't. it's firing its own workers, and it gets bailed out by Trump and Biden. [14:27] schestowitz-TR >>> plus I blocked Schestowitz on Twitter [14:27] schestowitz-TR LOL [14:27] schestowitz-TR What sane person uses Twitter? [14:27] schestowitz-TR I've not used it in years firsthand [14:27] schestowitz-TR and I quit even sending copies to it, before MusKSA bought the failing thing [14:28] schestowitz-TR which has been losing both money and users [14:28] schestowitz-TR they buy yesterdayyear's thing [14:28] schestowitz-TR trying to redirect anger towards their political "enemies" [14:28] schestowitz-TR and shore up their scams [14:28] schestowitz-TR >> RMS is a fucking liability due to being a creepy fuck [14:29] schestowitz-TR what is "creepy fuck" [14:29] schestowitz-TR be specific [14:29] schestowitz-TR writing an email ABOUT Esptein is not "creepy fuck" [14:29] schestowitz-TR Enabling epstein, like bill gates, makes one worse than ""creepy fuck"" [14:29] schestowitz-TR and a partner in crime [14:30] schestowitz-TR >> benefit that Bryan Lunduke [14:30] schestowitz-TR we are NO friends of Bryan Lunduke [14:30] schestowitz-TR Bryan Lunduke comes from Microsoft [14:30] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/lunduke-concern-trolling-again/ [14:30] TR Bot Bryan Lunduke is Still 100% Trolling With His Facts-Free Provocation Masterpiece Called Linux Sucks | Techrights [14:31] schestowitz connecting me to Lunduke and to Trump [14:31] schestowitz Bingo [14:31] schestowitz two people I'm against [14:31] schestowitz-TR schestowitz: yes, but it's the real time log [14:31] schestowitz-TR in gemini or http/s [14:31] schestowitz gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/index.gmi [14:32] schestowitz http://techrights.org/irc [14:32] schestowitz http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-status.txt [14:32] schestowitz they update every 5 mins, latest at bottom [14:32] SomeH4x0r and for how long do they stay? [14:33] schestowitz-TR depends on the link [14:33] schestowitz-TR one resets every 48 hours [14:33] schestowitz-TR the last one, rsynced from roy@vonick [14:33] schestowitz-TR the server side is tailed, maybe 2000 lines [14:34] schestowitz-TR the gemini one is the same but processed for gemtext syntax [14:35] TR News KDE neon 20220512 is out https://neon.kde.org/ I uses that on my new laptop. Video: http://techrights.org/2022/05/07/state-of-the-art-plasma/ [14:35] TR Bot KDE neon [14:35] TR Bot Plasma Desktop in Latest KDE Neon (State-of-the-Art Plasma) | Techrights [14:37] bnchs "NSA ANT catalog | NIGHTSTAND: Portable system that wirelessly installs Microsoft Windows exploits from a distance of up to eight miles." [14:37] bnchs LOL, this and they say "windows is secure!!" [14:39] schestowitz-TR says NSA [14:39] schestowitz-TR Windows is good [14:39] schestowitz-TR for US national security [14:39] schestowitz-TR they can remotely access the data of billions of people around the world [14:39] bnchs windows is good [14:39] schestowitz-TR like egypt [14:39] schestowitz-TR with its dick police [14:39] bnchs so that they can install exploits up to 8 miles [14:40] schestowitz-TR checking where citizens place their penis [14:40] bnchs "gay people detected in 8 miles" [14:40] bnchs "gay detector" [14:41] schestowitz-TR Gaydar(R) [14:41] schestowitz-TR Islam faces an existential crisis [14:41] schestowitz-TR guys put their thing in other guys [14:41] schestowitz-TR Islam implodes [14:42] bnchs i imagine the gaydar to be a metal detector [14:42] bnchs *beep beep beep* [14:42] schestowitz-TR there are teleevenglaists in the USA [14:42] schestowitz-TR they can 'cure' people [14:42] schestowitz-TR by 'subtle' torture [14:43] schestowitz-TR totally state-sanctioned [14:43] TR News 20 Best Linux PDF Editors: Edit Pdf Files on Your Linux System Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164804 [14:43] TR Bot 20 Best Linux PDF Editors: Edit Pdf Files on Your Linux System | Tux Machines [14:43] schestowitz-TR egypt has no agra crisis [14:43] bnchs "wtf you can't have sex with other people your gender, get beheaded!" [14:43] schestowitz-TR opr water crisis [14:43] schestowitz-TR if they do, blame the gays [14:43] bnchs "wtf you can't have sex without getting married, get beheaded!" [14:44] bnchs they imprison you for having sex without marriage [14:45] TR News AlmaLinux 8.6 "Sky Tiger" Released, Added New Module Stream http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164781#comment-33649 [14:45] TR Bot CentOS Alternative AlmaLinux OS 8.6 Is Now Available for Download, Based on RHEL 8.6 | Tux Machines [14:45] schestowitz-TR in egypt? [14:45] schestowitz-TR maybe in ksa [14:45] schestowitz-TR in indonesia it's public lashing [14:45] schestowitz-TR due to ksa influence there [14:45] schestowitz-TR buying them mosques and stuff [14:45] schestowitz-TR the wahabi stuff [14:46] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164805 [14:46] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [14:47] schestowitz-TR the rich love using clergy to distract from the important issues [14:47] schestowitz-TR they keep on hating not the robbers [14:47] bnchs they don't in egypt [14:47] schestowitz-TR but the people who are subtly different [14:47] schestowitz-TR like christian indonesians [14:47] schestowitz-TR who are basically the same [14:47] schestowitz-TR they just pray to a different name [14:48] schestowitz-TR in some case banning sex before marriage leads to rape [14:48] schestowitz-TR like literal rape [14:48] schestowitz-TR sex-starved people do all sorts of crazy things [14:48] schestowitz-TR because the girls would not sleep with them [14:48] schestowitz-TR fear of the patents and state [14:48] bnchs but in morocco, iraq, and saudi arabia, [14:49] bnchs they ban sex before marriage [14:49] schestowitz-TR so all they can do is (sorry for language) "get off" or rape someone [14:49] bnchs as illegal as homosexuality [14:49] schestowitz-TR so to have "real" sex you must be married to a woman or rape one [14:49] schestowitz-TR that's not good for women [14:50] schestowitz-TR like bans on some drugs [14:50] schestowitz-TR people just find them and do them illegally [14:50] schestowitz-TR or make their own [14:50] schestowitz-TR self-brewed can be toxic [14:50] schestowitz-TR if you don't know what you are doing [14:50] bnchs schestowitz-TR, marrakech wouldn't the captial of prostitution [14:51] TR News AlmaLinux 8.6 "Sky Tiger" Released, Added New Module Streams http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164781#comment-33649 [14:51] TR Bot CentOS Alternative AlmaLinux OS 8.6 Is Now Available for Download, Based on RHEL 8.6 | Tux Machines [14:52] TR News Multi-clown. We used to call that circus... or servers... or rack... or server farm, or HA (across DCs) https://www.techtarget.com/searchdatabackup/news/252518139/Zerto-95-update-adds-Linux-support-and-multi-cloud-storage [14:52] TR Bot Zerto 9.5 update adds Linux support and multi-cloud storage [14:53] bnchs "Much Loved is a 2015 FrenchMoroccan film about the prostitution scene in Marrakesh. The film tells about the lives of four prostitutes and shows their exploitation by pimps and the corruption of the police. " [14:53] bnchs what did they respond after this? [14:53] TR News "You still use your server? NOT THE CLOWN???" = "You still make coffee??? NOT STARBUCKS???" [14:53] bnchs "The film was banned in Morocco for its "contempt for moral values and the Moroccan woman". The leading actress, Loubna Abidar, received death threats and in November 2015, she was violently attacked in Casablanca and left the country for France soon after. Religious authorities condemned the film for portraying a negative image of Morocco, with its supporting of extramarital sex and sympathy for homosexuals." [14:54] schestowitz-TR insulting the king is insulting god [14:54] schestowitz-TR and the country is the king [14:54] schestowitz-TR and the king is a full-time employee of $GOD [14:54] bnchs they have sympathy for.... HOMOSEXUALS???? [14:54] schestowitz-TR the problem isn't prostitutes [14:54] schestowitz-TR or rings of pimps [14:54] bnchs time to attack the actors in public [14:54] schestowitz-TR the problem is the firm [14:55] schestowitz-TR *film and its makers [14:55] bnchs yeah [14:56] *goosestepping_ (~goosestepping@9wvkj22hs2heq.irc) has joined #techrights [14:56] bnchs prostitution is a problem here [14:56] schestowitz-TR the kind who watches cabaret and guys with makeup in paris is afraid of gays [14:56] schestowitz-TR *king [14:57] schestowitz-TR bnchs: maybe they should permit girlfriends [14:57] schestowitz-TR then it's consensual [14:57] schestowitz-TR girls not sleeping because "money" and "pimp said I'd get in trouble for refusing" [14:57] bnchs lol parents will disown you if they hear you have a girlfriend [14:57] goosestepping_ https://i.ibb.co/5kGxG6q/lol.png [14:57] goosestepping_ lol [14:57] goosestepping_ :-| !!! [14:57] schestowitz-TR "try before you buy" [14:57] schestowitz-TR better than parents forcing you to marry someone [14:58] schestowitz-TR and you cannot turn it down or say nop [14:58] schestowitz-TR *nope [14:58] schestowitz-TR maybe the guy can say no [14:58] schestowitz-TR I doubt the girl can [14:58] bnchs they do that for money [14:58] schestowitz-TR to keep is in the family/ies [14:58] schestowitz-TR but it's a lame excuse [14:58] MinceR http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/please-refrain-from-barking.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2021/03/but-my-meowing-is-okay/ ) [14:59] TR Bot But my meowing is okay? [14:59] schestowitz-TR matrimony without love is more likely to end in murder or acid [14:59] schestowitz-TR or unhealthy abuse, like beating up and mental torture ● May 13 [15:00] schestowitz-TR MinceR: no DMX allowed then [15:00] schestowitz https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ThlhSnRk21E [15:00] TR Bot DMX - Ruff Ryders' Anthem - Invidious [15:01] bnchs schestowitz-TR, "without love" there's obviously never love at all [15:01] bnchs the marriages end up being unstable [15:01] bnchs they only married so that they can compare jobs with other wives' husbands [15:01] schestowitz https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Yz15NVfrXZI [15:01] TR Bot DMX barking - Invidious [15:02] schestowitz-TR he died some years ago [15:02] schestowitz-TR very messed up life overall [15:03] schestowitz-TR his music is good for workouts [15:03] schestowitz-TR bnchs: let the women work too [15:03] schestowitz-TR not just have kids [15:04] schestowitz-TR and they they won't be a prisoner of the husband's salary [15:04] psydruid https://www.globalresearch.ca/wef-agenda-behind-modi-farm-reform/5737472 [15:04] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.globalresearch.ca/wef-agenda-behind-modi-farm-reform/5737472 ) [15:04] schestowitz-TR I know women can work there too [15:04] schestowitz-TR but few tdo [15:04] schestowitz-TR *do [15:04] schestowitz-TR bill 'modi' gates [15:04] schestowitz-TR the epsteinite candiate [15:04] bnchs schestowitz-TR, they can work [15:04] bnchs they're just.. lazy [15:05] schestowitz-TR maybe it's not in the culture [15:05] schestowitz-TR many women here work [15:05] schestowitz-TR and can live independently [15:05] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [15:05] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:08] schestowitz-TR [14:57] "try before you buy" [15:08] schestowitz-TR to be clear, it's about personality [15:08] schestowitz-TR not sex [15:08] schestowitz-TR it's good to try to see how you get alogn with a person [15:08] schestowitz-TR not to let parents do guessing [15:08] TR News Ubuntu 22.10 Daily Build Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164806 [15:08] TR Bot Ubuntu 22.10 Daily Build | Tux Machines [15:09] schestowitz-TR most people don't marry their first partner [15:09] schestowitz-TR and although break-up can hurt [15:09] schestowitz-TR being stuck with a person who was never suitable for you for 40-70 years can be painful for a lifetime [15:12] TR News Available Fedora 36 with GNOME 42 and Wayland for NVIDIA http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164681#comment-33650 [15:12] TR Bot Fedora Linux 36 Is Here with GNOME 42, Linux Kernel 5.17, and Wayland for NVIDIA Users | Tux Machines [15:14] TR News "some people follow aspirational instagrams where it's like rich people with nice cars and expensive dinners / vacations. my aspirational lifestyle that i follow on instagram is like micro-celebrity artists and musicians that live in bushwick." gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi [15:14] TR News "I respect anyone who has a blog. Substack doesnt count. I am of the archaic opinion that not everything on the internet has to or should be for money" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi [15:16] *bnchs has quit (connection closed) [15:17] *bnchs (~bnchs@xjb4h7za4n7nw.irc) has joined #techrights [15:23] activelow digging into vim plugins... regretting every minute i wasted with eclipse ide [15:24] activelow instead should have invested time into vim... don't know yet, debugger integration [15:24] TR News "Aside from the scripting refactor, the most exciting part of this as far as I'm concerned is the switch to an asynchronous IO model courtesy of libevent2! I've also updated the URI handling to use proper PCRE, which has cleaned-up that part of the code nicely." gemini://gemini.panda-roux.dev/log/entry/43 [15:24] schestowitz-TR activelow: eclipse is a pig [15:24] schestowitz-TR I used to use that for android development [15:24] schestowitz-TR before gulag made its own [15:24] schestowitz-TR IDEs need to JUSTIFY their ftaness [15:24] schestowitz-TR they might be OK [15:24] schestowitz-TR but they have a burden of justifying their existence [15:25] schestowitz-TR text editor with syntax highlighting [15:25] schestowitz-TR add compiler [15:25] schestowitz-TR add debugger [15:25] activelow the debugger integration with eclipse was ok... until i realized with perl this was troublesome [15:25] schestowitz-TR and then you already push it [15:25] schestowitz-TR because some people don't want the debugger [15:25] schestowitz-TR and some wanr 4 terminal windows with compiler stuff in them [15:25] schestowitz-TR not one IDE with panes [15:25] activelow my opinion, vim for c-development with debugging etc. is a must have; eclipse is a nice to have at best [15:26] schestowitz-TR I usually started with IDEs [15:26] schestowitz-TR and ended up moving to text editors [15:26] schestowitz-TR not the other way around [15:26] schestowitz-TR the IDE is like assistive bucyclle wheels [15:27] schestowitz-TR once you can ride a bike they are just a nuisnace [15:27] schestowitz-TR if you don't move, put the feet down [15:27] schestowitz-TR same for skiing [15:27] activelow problem with eclipse (and many others, such as matlab/octave, spyder ide), such tools screw thinking [15:27] schestowitz-TR ides are rigid [15:28] schestowitz-TR and as get more bloated culstimising them is harder beyond what the gui allows [15:28] schestowitz-TR and if you want to develop over a network [15:28] activelow the brain becomes accustomed to it, adapts to it, until the headache becomes intolerable (which it was with eclipse) [15:28] schestowitz-TR you need a whole GUI sent over a network [15:28] schestowitz-TR and cannot run in screen/tmux [15:28] schestowitz-TR so you are confining yourselves to developing not on the target machine/s [15:29] schestowitz-TR 1990s with slow internet maybe OK [15:29] schestowitz-TR but now you can manage the file in a text editor over ssh [15:29] schestowitz-TR and run the program on a remote and powerful machine [15:29] activelow manager entire projects [15:29] activelow btw. vim integrates nicely with dvtm [15:29] schestowitz-TR android is worse [15:30] schestowitz-TR you usually need to send the program over to a device [15:30] schestowitz-TR the emulators are not good [15:30] schestowitz-TR they are not the real device [15:30] schestowitz-TR the sending of programs across to target device is time wasted [15:31] schestowitz-TR imagine a raspberry pu [15:31] schestowitz-TR *pi [15:31] schestowitz-TR you develop on your desktop [15:31] schestowitz-TR and then "send" the program to the pi [15:31] schestowitz-TR instead of just developing directly on the darn thing [15:32] TR News Security updates for Friday [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/895202/ Source: LWN | Kernel | Linux [15:32] TR Bot updates for Friday [LWN.net] [15:33] TR News Richard Speed at El Reg helps Microsoft ATTACK GNU/Linux by shilling the utter unadulterated pile of garbage, WSL (spyware). URL omitted. [15:34] TR News Ubuntu LoCo Council has lost control of its blog. Almost every day (yes, today also) it has spam submitted as articles, which are later removed. Says a lot about the state of Ubuntu "community" http://techrights.org/2022/05/05/ubuntu-loco-council-crack/ [15:34] TR Bot Ubuntu LoCo Council Gone Loco or Just Cracked | Techrights [15:35] TR News Ubuntu Core 22 Beta is now available https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-core-22-beta-is-now-available/28339 [15:35] TR Bot Ubuntu Core 22 Beta is now available - IoT - Ubuntu Community Hub [15:36] TR News Ubuntu trying to be Fedora to appease ICBM? https://git.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/+git/snap-from-source/commit/?id=a4f41b5c065e14e954bc81d2d3e2b0c7fc26fc4d Don't be a slave of Big Blue, be practical [15:36] TR Bot ~chromium-team/chromium-browser/+git/snap-from-source - [no description] [15:37] MinceR too late [15:37] schestowitz-TR for ubuntu, yes [15:37] MinceR and for canonical [15:37] schestowitz-TR wayland by default = playing with matches [15:37] bnchs richard stallman or richard speed [15:37] schestowitz-TR you are far more likely to break things than solve any real problem [15:38] schestowitz-TR richard Speed [15:38] schestowitz https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/wsl_ubuntu_preview/ [15:38] TR Bot Bleeding-edge Ubuntu on Windows Subsystem for Linux The Register [15:38] schestowitz Windows= BLEEDING EDGE!!! [15:38] schestowitz EDGE!!!! [15:38] schestowitz GET EDGE!!! [15:38] bnchs bleeding edge [15:38] bnchs it's BLEEDING [15:39] bnchs it's richard stallman because he stops [15:39] bnchs richard speed because he's on speed [15:40] TR News >Ubuntu 22.10 Daily Builds Available for Early Adopters http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164806#comment-33651 [15:40] TR Bot Ubuntu 22.10 Daily Build | Tux Machines [15:40] schestowitz-TR EDGE is bleeding [15:41] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/05/08/china-and-edge-of-change-gnu-linux-policies/ [15:41] TR Bot On the Cusp of Widespread Adoption of GNU/Linux in More Countries | Techrights [15:41] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/05/07/browsers-by-use/ [15:41] TR Bot In Spite of All the AstroTurfing, Microsoft Edge (Ripoff of Chrome) is Falling Every Month So Far This Year (Along With Windows) | Techrights [15:41] schestowitz "Based on StatCounter, Microsofts Edge market share fell every month this year. Microsoft Edges share, all versions combined, from January to May: 4.12%, 4.06%, 4.05%, 4.05%, and 4.04%." [15:41] schestowitz MSIE all over again [15:41] schestowitz but this time a BILLION BUCKS wasted on marketing [15:41] schestowitz and shilling even in "Linux" sites [15:41] schestowitz sites that harmed themselves by participating [15:44] TR News "Looking at a distribution that is meant for gaming and is made by one the leaders in Linux Gaming industry... Glorious Eggroll. I personally think this distribution will be BETTER than Steam OS on release." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yVEivfbJi1g [15:44] TR Bot Live - Nobara - Better than Steam OS? - Invidious [15:44] TR News Steam Hardware Survey for the Deck will change PC gaming FOREVER (plus more Steam Deck news) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_k2oZPks6wM Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [15:44] TR Bot Steam Hardware Survey for the Deck will change PC gaming FOREVER (plus more Steam Deck news) - Invidious [15:45] SomeH4x0r I don't care how the gaming will be changed, I ignore newer games [15:45] TR News "Fedora 36 has been released and instead of looking at the flagship GNOME edition of Fedora, today I'm taking a first look at Fedora 36 i3 Spin." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ZdbgDCwCs_w [15:45] TR Bot A First Look At Fedora 36 i3 Spin (If I Get It Installed) - Invidious [15:45] schestowitz-TR SomeH4x0r: "newer" games = shit to sell more shitty GPUs [15:45] schestowitz-TR at a time when energy bills soar [15:46] *CrystalMath (~coderain@irwmvhs635z74.irc) has joined #techrights [15:47] bnchs schestowitz-TR, here's this new game [15:48] bnchs poorly optimized [15:48] bnchs microtransactions [15:48] bnchs pay to do anything in the game [15:49] bnchs any game company microsoft bought they fucking ruined it [15:49] bnchs minecraft -> paid "mod" marketplace [15:50] schestowitz-TR why is minecraft even a thing, still? [15:50] schestowitz-TR 1) it was always ugly [15:50] schestowitz-TR reminded me of games I played in the early 90s [15:50] schestowitz-TR it's "lame" [15:50] schestowitz-TR ^(2) [15:51] schestowitz-TR (3) I doubt it's profitable at all [15:51] schestowitz-TR microsoft gets bailed out by trump and biden [15:51] schestowitz-TR then buys companies (staff) [15:51] bnchs it was literally just some indie game a swedish guy made [15:51] bnchs as some opengl java crap [15:51] schestowitz-TR then uses them (E.g. hololens) to justify more graft/bailout [15:51] schestowitz-TR in hololes, Microsoft FIRED ALL THE STAFF [15:51] schestowitz-TR so why on Earth is Biden paying for? [15:51] schestowitz-TR This is crime [15:51] schestowitz-TR they should send them to NC [15:52] schestowitz-TR to the firing squad [15:52] bnchs similar thing happened with minecraft [15:52] schestowitz-TR 22,000 MILLION dollars stolen [15:52] schestowitz-TR to bail out CRIMINALS [15:52] bnchs notch (the guy who made minecraft) said something bad [15:52] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDbzkJGu8ao [15:52] TR Bot https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=aDbzkJGu8ao [15:52] bnchs he was boycotted and shit, and apparently erased from any credits minecraft had [15:52] TR Bot invidio.xamh.de | Fluffy Chocolate Cake | Gabriel Iglesias - Invidious [15:53] schestowitz-TR I spoke to a Microsoft employee about the hololens thing [15:53] schestowitz-TR many were mortified by what Microsoft did to hololens [15:53] schestowitz-TR just bought it and fired everyone! [15:53] schestowitz-TR and the media clap clap clap(ed) [15:54] schestowitz-TR and most of it pretends it's of some value [15:54] schestowitz-TR marketing gimmick for windows [15:54] bnchs "He stopped working on Minecraft after a deal with Microsoft to sell Mojang for $2.5 billion" [15:54] schestowitz-TR now for stealing 20,000 x 1,000,000 dollars from US taxpayers [15:54] bnchs and afterwards, he was erased from the credits [15:54] schestowitz-TR microsoft a criminal org [15:54] schestowitz-TR it should be put on trial [15:54] schestowitz-TR and executed [15:54] schestowitz-TR the company should be terminated [15:54] schestowitz-TR like ISIS [15:55] bnchs "A March 2019 Minecraft update removed all mentions of Persson from the game's menu, though his name is still in the credits." [15:55] bnchs "Persson was not invited to the game's tenth anniversary event later that year, with Microsoft saying that his views "do not reflect those of Microsoft or Mojang"." [15:55] bnchs don't care if you made minecraft [15:55] schestowitz-TR apropos ISIS, they too like to destroy history [15:55] bnchs you're not invited [15:56] bnchs in fact you NEVER made minecraft [15:56] bnchs bitch [15:56] *goosestepping_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:56] schestowitz-TR bnchs: about Persson [15:56] schestowitz-TR in a nutshell: [15:56] schestowitz-TR "well, he's dead" [15:57] bnchs he tweeted a ton of bullshit [15:57] bnchs but that doesn't mean you get to erase him from minecraft's history [15:57] TR News xkcd: Crpe https://xkcd.com/2619 Source: xkcd [15:57] TR Bot Crpe [15:57] schestowitz-TR bill gates does tweet a lot of shit :-) [15:57] schestowitz-TR and gets invited to media he bribes [15:57] schestowitz-TR PBS [15:57] schestowitz-TR BillBC [15:58] schestowitz-TR because sex trafficking for sexual access to kids is OK [15:58] schestowitz-TR "bill pays us" [15:58] schestowitz-TR "pinky promise" [15:59] TR News BillBC meddling for GAFAM abroad https://www.bbc.com/burmese/burma-61412051 [15:59] TR Bot - BBC News [15:59] TR News Distribution Release: ALT Linux 10.0 https://www.basealt.ru/about/news/archive/view/novaja-versija-os-alt-rabochaja-stancija-k-10-svobodno-integriruetsja-v-ljubuju-it-infrastrukturu-i-usilivaet-ejo-zashchitu ● May 13 [16:00] TR Bot 10 - | BaseALT [16:00] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: our friend from Vievkow [16:00] schestowitz-TR he came back to his "homeland" [16:00] schestowitz-TR mother ship [16:00] schestowitz-TR to work on the distro of mothership [16:01] bnchs schestowitz-TR, here's his quotes [16:01] bnchs https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Markus_Persson [16:01] TR Bot Markus Persson - Wikiquote [16:01] bnchs "Mansplaining is a sexist term designed to silence men via gender shaming. " [16:01] TR News A cyberattack took down one of Russias largest video platforms for days https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/rutube-down-russia-hack-attack-ukraine-rcna28299 [16:02] TR Bot A cyberattack took down Russia's RuTube for three days [16:02] schestowitz-TR I agree it is not a useful term [16:02] schestowitz-TR but he plays with fire [16:02] schestowitz-TR by using "reversism" [16:02] schestowitz-TR like claiming blacks are racisat [16:02] schestowitz-TR or women discriminate against men [16:03] schestowitz-TR it's victim/perpetrator reversal [16:03] bnchs "It's ok to be white" [16:03] schestowitz-TR he SAID something insensitive [16:03] bnchs tbh i see nothing wrong with these quotes [16:03] schestowitz-TR whereas Microsoft ACTIVELY ATTACKS women [16:04] schestowitz-TR "It's ok to be white" is a loaded statement [16:04] schestowitz-TR it implies there is widespread belief whites are nasty [16:04] schestowitz-TR which is not true [16:05] schestowitz-TR only a small minority spouts out such rhetoric [16:06] XRevan86 schestowitz: Vievkow? [16:06] *goosestepping_ (~goosestepping@zirfuvgmpihhy.irc) has joined #techrights [16:06] TR News He's not wrong. Twitter is FAKING its numbers. https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/musk_twitter_on_hold/ see https://techrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/ [16:06] TR Bot Elon Musk puts Twitter deal on hold over bot count The Register [16:06] TR Bot Twitter is Not as Important as the Media Wants Us to Believe | Techrights [16:06] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: typo [16:07] schestowitz-TR but can be Vlak-Kyiv-Moscow [16:07] schestowitz-TR *Vlad [16:09] *goosestepping_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:09] psydruid the Vietcong are going to Moscow [16:10] TR News KDE Connect Brings iPhone Connectivity to Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164660#comment-33653 [16:10] TR Bot KDE Connect Arrives on iPhone and iPad For Linux Fans | Tux Machines [16:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #techrights [16:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 45.36 average k/sec., average swarm size 351.78 [16:11] *goosestepping_ (~goosestepping@fkazha4yi5iue.irc) has joined #techrights [16:12] schestowitz [17:37] icu MinceR are you on rehab? [17:38] MinceR no [17:38] icu i mean the cat addiction... [17:39] icu think of your family [17:40] MinceR look who's talking [17:40] MinceR you can't even live without oxygen [17:40] MinceR a few minutes without it, and you're dead [17:41] bnchs cats are cute :3 [17:41] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [17:42] icu gladly the world is already working on it https://www.oxygenlevels.org/ [17:42] TR Bot Historical Global Atmospheric Oxygen Levels Graph & Widget [17:42] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [17:42] icu soon i will have no adiction to 02 [17:44] icu just wait till the oceans go acidic [17:44] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [17:44] icu that will kill my addiction 4 sure [17:47] MinceR :> [17:48] bnchs MinceR, do you live without oxygen? [17:49] MinceR no [17:49] icu death kill all additions [17:50] icu dont tell you are addicted to live? [17:51] SomeH4x0r Skywave: ^ ping perhaps [17:51] bnchs you are addicted to IRC [17:51] icu and mincer is my dealer [17:51] SomeH4x0r Skywave wants posthumanism [17:51] SomeH4x0r replace humans with bots [17:52] icu humans are obsolete [17:53] bnchs icu, your momma said you were obsolete [17:53] bnchs but unfortunately her request wasn't accepted [17:54] icu your mother was but yet here you are [17:54] bnchs i guess [17:54] icu its a mirical [17:54] SomeH4x0r childhood is slavery [17:54] icu praise good [17:54] icu fuck you all idiots [17:55] bnchs screw you guise [17:55] bnchs i'm going hewm!!!!! [17:55] icu fucking peeping toms [17:55] SomeH4x0r there are other IRC networks to take a look on [17:55] icu how do you live with your self creeps [17:56] icu yes go there [17:56] icu and pissoff [17:56] SomeH4x0r I'm connected to a few [17:56] SomeH4x0r and I'm also on XMPP [17:56] icu the king of pimps [17:57] icu or is it peeps [17:58] icu nothing like leaching people chats right? [17:59] SomeH4x0r idk [17:59] icu you dont? [17:59] icu off all people? ● May 13 [18:00] SomeH4x0r don't what? [18:01] icu im doing the questioning [18:02] bnchs icu, your mom went into the ICU, after you were born in the C section [18:02] icu if you say so err foktor [18:02] bnchs *sigh* i'm sorry [18:03] bnchs just wanted to vent a bit [18:03] icu you mean fart? [18:03] bnchs no [18:03] bnchs vent my feelings [18:04] icu feelings? i think you got it backwards [18:05] bnchs it doesn't matter [18:08] icu if you hammer something long enough it will become a nail [18:10] activelow found it... it was rxvt which altered /dev/ttyX permission of any node it acquired... [18:10] activelow and this is a weird linux default too -> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 0 May 13 17:03 /dev/tty [18:11] activelow there is many daemons running with distinct user accounts, which do _not_ require any tty at all, nonethless in case of any flaw elsewhere an exploit could acquire a tty due to this [18:11] activelow baphometos will do it differently: bsd pty, and mode 660 on /dev/tty owned by group tty... only users in group tty are permitted to access it [18:12] activelow this requires administrative care, noone on the system leaves dangling tty nodes it acquired chmod to 666 as rxvt does [18:12] XRevan86 https://theins.press/en/news/251246 [18:12] TR Bot Media reports: Fire bottles thrown at a military enlistment office in Omsk at night [18:12] activelow dropbear ssh to alters tty permissions... which i don't know why what this would be required for [18:14] icu "Fire bottles"? [18:14] XRevan86 icu: Molotov's [18:14] activelow local root exploits remain dangerous nonetheless, yet if a remote-exploit could hijack any process without tty-group permission set, then there isn't any terminal for them [18:14] icu did a 5yo write this ? [18:15] XRevan86 icu: Don't pick on the translator. [18:15] bnchs fire bottles lol [18:15] bnchs bottles containing fire [18:22] XRevan86 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail#Other_names eh, it is mentioned [18:22] TR Bot Molotov cocktail - Wikipedia [18:22] matey perm-36 was also called molotov i think [18:37] activelow and vim c-support plugin require 5seconds to load together with vim... can't imagine noone else had noticed [18:38] activelow which was extremely annoying for years, because working on command line requires spwaning a vim process often [18:39] activelow otherwise i equipped vim with 70 plugins here which barely affects process launch time, remains below 1s; with c-support it jumps to 5s [18:41] activelow i mean, vim is intended as a widely available editor on almost all systems available, including hardware which is alot slower [18:41] activelow should a vim user wait 1minute then to launch vim with a tiny embedded system? [18:43] activelow too it is noteworthy nvi was wiped from the gentoo tree? why? it doesn't break with unicode (in comparison to the busybox-vi and elvis i tested), it is small and fast and sufficient for what one typically does with vi [18:45] activelow gentoo dropped official support for *bsd kernels... another one. there isn't any alternative to linux kernel anymore within gentoo realm. [18:45] activelow instead they'excited, linux can be compiled with mapple llvm/clang now (not tinycc i might add) [18:45] activelow very strange decisions, very strange priorities, for what "free software" was supposed to be... [18:46] activelow yet, once they'll loose the target audience, which is hackers, good luck then [18:47] activelow capable staff isn't recruited first and foremost in big corporations, many started in their garage [18:47] TR News GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164809 [18:47] TR Bot GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Tux Machines [18:47] activelow ^ current baphometos compiler is gcc-4.7 [18:47] TR News Toolforge GridEngine Debian 10 Buster migration Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164810 [18:47] TR Bot Toolforge GridEngine Debian 10 Buster migration | Tux Machines [18:47] TR News Improving Calc support for 16384 columns Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164811 [18:47] TR Bot Improving Calc support for 16384 columns | Tux Machines [18:48] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164812 [18:48] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 49.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 506.33 ● May 13 [19:01] TR News Irving Wladawsky-Berger: How Can You Trust the Predictions of a Large Machine Learning Model? https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/05/how-can-you-trust-machine-learning.html Source: irvingwb [19:01] TR Bot Irving Wladawsky-Berger: How Can You Trust the Predictions of a Large Machine Learning Model? [19:05] XRevan86 https://yewtu.be/O4YxxWStxsc Pretty. [19:05] TR Bot - Invidious [19:05] TR Bot https://y.com.sb/watch?v=O4YxxWStxsc [19:05] TR Bot y.com.sb | - Invidious [19:05] XRevan86 "Putin's favourite yacht got arrested" [19:06] TR News Firefox hits the big 100: Why you should use this open-source browser now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164392#comment-33654 [19:06] TR Bot Firefox 100 Is Now Available for Download, Enables GTK Overlay Scrollbars on Linux | Tux Machines [19:08] TR News Maintaina Horde: Tumbleweed and PHP 8.1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164809#comment-33655 [19:08] TR Bot GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Tux Machines [19:09] TR News Official SUSE blog: "504 Gateway Time-out" [19:11] TR News Left out the part about attacking FSF for self-promotional purposes https://sfconservancy.org/news/2022/may/12/introduction/ [19:11] TR Bot New Software Freedom Conservancy Introduction Video - Software Freedom Conservancy [19:11] TR News Steadily GNU/Linux will dominate more and more sector https://gamerant.com/steam-deck-influence-increase-linux-gaming/ [19:11] TR Bot Stats Suggest the Steam Deck May Have Influenced an Increase in Linux Gaming [19:19] TR News Graphics Hacking by Rosenzweig and Kristf Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164813 [19:19] TR Bot Graphics Hacking by Rosenzweig and Kristf | Tux Machines [19:21] TR News Containers Software on GNU/Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164814 [19:21] TR Bot Containers Software on GNU/Linux | Tux Machines [19:21] matey < Dave2> lol, techrights. Irrelevant and wrong when it was Boycott Novell, irrelevant and wrong now. <- at its best when it was boycott novell [19:22] matey schestowitz-TR some prominent developers attribute to demise of Novell to us <- scapegoating [19:22] matey thats sheer pride on their part [19:22] matey they did it to themselves [19:22] matey rather blame someone else [19:23] matey Boycott Novell was pretty stupid because Novell never actually did anything bad <- thats... its amazing that a boob learned how to type all on its own [19:23] matey Novell never actually did anything bad <- the crackpipe is strong with this one [19:24] matey schestowitz-TR Novell conspired with Microsoft schestowitz-TR against Red Hat and everyone else <- yes [19:24] matey schestowitz-TR and it failed <- sort of [19:25] matey some of the worst shit you see today, the worst destruction of gnu/linux/fsf, came out from the already-dead-and-gone novell [19:25] *goosestepping_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:25] matey the curse lives on, and ever since the name change techrights has thrown softballs at it [19:25] matey i really think its just a coincidence. its not the name that campaigned against mono [19:26] matey what is the progeny of systemd, where did they come from? what destroyed debian? [19:26] matey the linux foundation, its corruption [19:26] matey microsoft a leading factor-- but just as the usa traipses around the earth to prop up a corporate empire [19:27] matey while various countries (who tagged along for the ride, the profits, the carnage and exploitation) i mean [19:27] matey you can say microsoft is the worst if it (most likely) is, but lets not let the other bastards off the hook [19:28] matey its a known-- a given-- that microsoft uses proxies for its dirty work [19:28] matey reported here [19:28] matey and yet [19:28] matey foolishly, those proxies get a fairer shake than they deserve [19:28] matey without the proxies, microsoft would be dead and gone [19:28] matey so if we go easy on the proxies, we only help microsoft [19:29] matey and yeah, the proxies get softballs. its a bit shit [19:29] matey stick a fork in microsoft with one hand, give a leg up on the other hand [19:29] matey bas strategy [19:29] matey bad [19:29] matey bas works too [19:29] matey bas, bas [19:30] matey either way, dave is an idiot. he thinks novell was clean [19:30] *techrights_guest|68 (~40d19b22@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [19:30] matey baseless claim [19:30] *techrights_guest|68 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [19:30] matey absolute nutter [19:31] matey schestowitz-TR >> RMS is a fucking liability due to being a creepy fuck [19:31] matey schestowitz-TR what is "creepy fuck" [19:31] matey i can answer that one [19:31] matey a creepy fuck is anyone someone finds unattractive [19:31] matey i mean there are things one can DO that are creepy [19:32] matey but the way the word actually gets used, its mostly to lump in people who are PRESUMED to be unattractive with those who do bad things [19:32] matey its really not unlike the way people reacted to blacks during jim crow [19:32] matey i mean youre walking in broad daylight, on a busy street [19:33] matey and you "social distance" any time you see a black person [19:33] matey because what if... what if... theyre one of the BAD ONES [19:33] matey a lot of people react to men this way now [19:34] psydruid original nuttah [19:34] TR News NetworkManager 1.38 is out. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/-/tags/1.38.0 [19:34] TR Bot 1.38.0 Tags NetworkManager / NetworkManager GitLab [19:34] psydruid is that dave plummer in disguise? [19:36] matey so many people have said "all men are rapists" that i cant find the person to attribute it to [19:36] matey too many candidates. [19:37] matey from this we can figure out what a "creepy man" is. [19:37] matey its a man, any man. [19:37] matey men are creepy. [19:37] matey and unattractive. and smelly. (the last one is true, but some people actually love the smell, which is actually the point of it) [19:38] matey WITHIN REASON of course. if you dont wash that (attractive) smell off, it does become rancid and... ew. [19:38] matey women steal mens shirts for a reason. [19:38] matey its not a fashion statement, its a trophy. [19:39] matey theres nothing wrong with this [19:39] matey anyway, these people ban hate speech, but they really dont [19:40] matey its not hate speech when its directed at whatever group is targeted for reeducation [19:40] matey its not hate speech when its at "cis white men" [19:40] matey or so they say [19:40] matey so thats what "creepy fuck" means [19:40] matey it means that like when jews were dehumanised so they could be exterminated more easily [19:40] TR News Raspberry Pi Reptile Cam Monitors Lizards for Optimal Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164815 [19:40] TR Bot Raspberry Pi Reptile Cam Monitors Lizards for Optimal Support | Tux Machines [19:41] matey men are subhuman disgusting animals. [19:41] matey and this is why some feminists (again, my best friend is a feminist) get compared to nazis [19:41] matey because the rhetoric is (in every single way) identical. [19:41] matey dehumanisation, calls for sterilisation (literally) and calls for extermination [19:42] matey if you trip over the wrong meme, its a dog whistle [19:42] matey if you dog whistle all day about eradicating men wholesale, NOT a dog whistle [19:42] matey left opportunists are always hypocrites of the highest order [19:42] bnchs i'm a man :( [19:43] matey youre a creepy duck! ()o< [19:43] matey the good news is that the longer this shit goes on [19:43] matey far from bringing on the rabid feminist apocalypse (which the alt-right hopes for and the mainstream right honestly fears) [19:44] matey people just get bored with it, realise its actually pretty fringe, and move on [19:44] SomeH4x0r I'm sometimes thinking about becoming transgender for political benefits [19:44] matey of course the media rides the wave and exploits it, like the do with everything [19:44] *immibis (~hexchat@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [19:44] *immibis (~hexchat@62.156.144.218) has joined #techrights [19:44] matey I'm sometimes thinking about becoming transgender for political benefits <- thats a really dumb idea on a bunch of levels [19:44] matey but most of all-- i mean, from a purely opportunist argument that is [19:45] matey its a terrible idea because the motivation / advantage in doing so already dwindles and will continue to do so [19:45] matey so you missed the boat [19:45] matey and i dont think many people did that [19:45] matey like a small percentage of a tiny percentage, of [19:45] matey maybe as many people as you can count on two hands [19:46] matey i think most trans opportunists were probably leaning trans already [19:46] matey and maybe they got a little push from thinking it would buy them something politically [19:46] TR News Marcus Lundblad: GNOME Maps Spring Cleaning http://ml4711.blogspot.com/2022/05/maps-spring-cleaning.html [19:46] TR Bot My geek stuff blog: Maps Spring Cleaning [19:46] matey maybe im underestimating the actual count, but i think the principle holds. [19:46] matey in other words, in practice its moot [19:46] XRevan86 SomeH4x0r: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/108184953377882814 https://vulpine.club/@violet/108184970225368175 [19:46] TR Bot Ariadne Conill: "love to be literally followed by and then nearly " - Treehouse Mastodon [19:46] TR Bot Violet :contains_thc:: "transphobia, violence" - The Vulpine Club [19:47] XRevan86 SomeH4x0r: Benefits such as this? [19:47] matey but either way, more moot than before [19:47] Ariadne ya super beneficial [19:47] XRevan86 https://nitter.net/ChrisDYork/status/1524821976325431299 I keep hearing about Noam Chomsky embarrassing himself. [19:47] TR Bot Chris York (@ChrisDYork): "Noam Chomsky claims Ukrainians arent actually demanding heavy weapons, thats just western propaganda. Owen Jones just nods along. Suspect 44 million Ukrainians might have something to say about it." | nitter [19:48] matey XRevan86 whats the dumbest thing hes ever said? (inconclusively, unscientifically, off the top of your head, with any bias assumed and whatever) [19:48] XRevan86 Of course when I hear statements from people around Zelensky like Podolyak, Arestovich, et al., they all say: heavy weaponry, much need. [19:49] XRevan86 matey: I can't say because I'm not following him. [19:49] TR News Annual Report: TDFs (The Document Foundation) infrastructure in 2021 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164816 [19:49] TR Bot Annual Report: TDFs (The Document Foundation) infrastructure in 2021 | Tux Machines [19:49] icu ukarania should use its nukes [19:49] SomeH4x0r are there any? [19:49] Ariadne they got rid of them [19:50] Ariadne whoopsie [19:50] XRevan86 The alleged nukes? :) [19:50] icu better bang for pound [19:50] XRevan86 they should strap them onto the biolab animals and deploy [19:51] XRevan86 Russia is trying the biolab thing again, yea. [19:51] TR News Sam Thursfield: Trying out systemds Portable Services Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164817 [19:51] TR Bot Sam Thursfield: Trying out systemds Portable Services | Tux Machines [19:51] icu terget the kremlin [19:51] XRevan86 Ties them to Biden, Obama, Soros, et al. [19:51] Ariadne anyway, FSF finds itself trapped in a difficult circumstance [19:51] matey the fake /me though the only thing the biolabs were for was making the tap water that turns everyone into a gay frog [19:52] matey not enough backspace there [19:52] matey /me thought the only thing the biolabs were for was making the tap water that turns everyone into a gay frog [19:52] Ariadne RMS is, well, RMS. he is very intelligent, strong vision, is dedicated to it [19:52] matey FSF finds itself trapped in a difficult circumstance <- you mean a death spiral [19:53] Ariadne but RMS also eats his own toejam in public [19:53] matey aww fuck that [19:53] Ariadne which is what people mean by "creepy fuck" [19:53] matey i used to know a model who pulled out her own hair [19:53] matey nice person [19:53] matey same compulsion [19:53] Ariadne he is nice enough [19:53] matey very co-morbid with ocd and [19:54] matey but shes a woman so it doesnt make her a creepy fuck [19:54] Ariadne he is also not the person i would have fronting a movement [19:54] matey ocd and autism [19:54] matey /me points out that silence of the lambs decided to paint a guy who wanted to become a woman as a serial killing creepy fuck [19:54] matey you can make anyone into a creepy fuck if you want to [19:54] icu fronting a movement should be black and a women [19:55] matey i love eddie izzard, he covers this [19:55] matey "yeah, WEIRDO travestites" [19:55] matey "executive transvestite..." [19:55] matey "weirdo transvesties" [19:55] icu eddie izzard from the lizard people? [19:55] matey izzard (i dont know his preferred pronoun, i think hes still ok with he) has xcome out as trans [19:55] matey no, hes one of my favourite comedians of all time [19:56] matey anyway, the person running this channel can be a complete fucking hypocrite and rewrite history all she wants [19:56] matey im not listening to the corporate-shill bullshit [19:56] icu so its a stage name [19:56] matey complete hypocrite. [19:56] matey fuck that, youre backstabber and a liar. [19:56] matey a [19:57] matey i thought youd learned your lessoon [19:57] matey appaarently youre spineless [19:57] matey hypocrite. sellout. [19:57] *matey has quit (connection closed) [19:58] TR News GNOME Project Strategy in 2022 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164642#comment-33656 [19:58] TR Bot Robert McQueen (GNOME Foundation): Evolving a strategy for 2022 and beyond | Tux Machines [19:58] icu people chating from mobiles.... [19:58] icu i bet hes using goggle assist [19:59] XRevan86 Ouch. [19:59] bnchs as if google assist even supports background connections [19:59] XRevan86 https://nitter.net/ggreenwald/status/1520751923355398144 May 1st [19:59] TR Bot Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald): "Noam Chomsky, in an interview this week, says "fortunately" there is "one Western statesman of stature" who is pushing for a diplomatic solution to the war in Ukraine rather than looking for ways to fuel and prolong it. "His name is Donald J. Trump," Chomsky says. WATCH:" | nitter ● May 13 [20:00] icu hes just copy pasting from twitter [20:00] bnchs idk what happened [20:00] XRevan86 icu: I do? [20:01] XRevan86 TechrightsBot-tr does? Who? [20:01] XRevan86 Anyway, I can't tell which statement is worse, but these are strong signs Noam Chomsky doesn't understand this war even in the slightest and has terrible sources. [20:01] icu im not bnchs no matter what he told you [20:02] bnchs what [20:02] bnchs what the fuck is happening [20:03] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [20:04] icu Trump is going to end the war by decree [20:05] icu he just has to flash his beautiful signature and everyone will stop the was and start groping each others [20:07] MinceR lol [20:07] XRevan86 icu: He will kiss Putin, and he will turn into a beautiful prince(ss). [20:07] MinceR they'll both turn into beautiful princesses [20:07] XRevan86 And everyone will live happily ever after. [20:21] *goosestepping_ (~goosestepping@fvvmgk8pjamwa.irc) has joined #techrights [20:22] *zleap has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [20:31] TR News Chatty is an open-source Twitch Chat Client Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164818 [20:31] TR Bot Chatty is an open-source Twitch Chat Client | Tux Machines [20:33] schestowitz-TR [20:01] TechrightsBot-tr does? Who? [20:34] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: you talk to the bot? ;-) [20:34] schestowitz-TR [20:07] they'll both turn into beautiful princesses [20:34] schestowitz-TR the end [20:36] TR News From today on the Daily Links in Techrights will have a much better TOC at the top, it's generated algorithmically now. Same format as 14 years ago, but now with rich TOC. [20:37] TR News An odd version or vision of security https://finance.yahoo.com/news/linux-foundation-open-source-software-003000127.html e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/10/30/openssf-microsoft/ [20:37] TR Bot The Linux Foundation and Open Source Software Security Foundation (OpenSSF) Gather Industry and Government Leaders for Open Source Software Security Summit II [20:37] TR Bot With Microsoft in Charge, OpenSSF Seems More Like Its About Back Doors Not Real Security Inside the Linux Foundation | Techrights [20:39] TR News Allwinner T507 industrial processor powers automotive single board computer and module https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/13/allwinner-t507-industrial-processor-powers-automotive-single-board-computer-and-module/ [20:39] TR Bot Allwinner T507 industrial processor powers automotive single board computer and module - CNX Software [20:40] TR News "comes pre-loaded with Windows 11 Pro" so WHY cover this CNX??? https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/05/12/beelink-mini-s-is-cheaper-version-of-beelink-u59-jasper-lake-mini-pc/ [20:40] TR Bot Beelink MINI S is cheaper version of Beelink U59 Jasper Lake mini PC - CNX Software [20:40] icu TOC thermal overclock [20:41] TR News As long as Beelink FORCES you to pay Microsoft and get malware (Windows) I don't see why CNX posts these pieces... except Beelink sends them GIFTS. [20:41] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164819 [20:41] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [20:42] icu Beelink stings [20:42] schestowitz-TR Table of Contents [20:43] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22051332 [20:43] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://ram.komica2.net/00/src/1652186839018.jpg created on 2022-05-13 12:10:36.199941 [20:44] icu what was that site you could test your acronyms ? [20:45] schestowitz-TR wikipedia? [20:45] schestowitz-TR there are many acrynym expanders/DBs online [20:45] MinceR cyborger! [20:49] icu Temperate Oxidation Coefficient [20:50] icu Telnet Ospf Captcha [20:50] icu how to something smart thats meanigless [20:51] icu Trackback Outbox Cyberbullying [20:52] icu https://www.abbreviations.com/acronym-generator [20:52] TR Bot The Acronym Generator [20:52] icu you can even do a quiz [20:53] MinceR Cyberbullying: Beyond Earth [20:53] icu CBE? [20:53] MinceR no, just possibly the funniest map name from Ancient Aliens [20:58] TR News Links 13/05/2022: GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/13/gcc-12-becoming-default-compiler-in-tumbleweed/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/13/gcc-12-becoming-default-compiler-in-tumbleweed/ [20:58] TR Bot Links 13/05/2022: GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Techrights [20:58] TR News Todays Leftovers (mostly programming) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164820 [20:58] TR Bot today's leftovers (mostly programming) | Tux Machines [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 485.30 ● May 13 [21:03] AdmFubar https://www.darkreading.com/risk/fraudulent-bot-driven-college-enrollment-up-50-new-study-finds [21:03] TR Bot Fraudulent 'Bot-driven' College Enrollment up 50%, New Study Finds [21:03] icu FBC [21:05] icu Fuel Bioinformatic College Ecosystem [21:05] icu this one fits perfectlly [21:06] icu Fraudulent 'Bot-driven' College Enrollment Fuels Bioinformatic College Ecosystem [21:07] TR News NVIDIA goes OPEN SOURCE, China moves to Linux, and Fortnite on Linux - Linux and open source news - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Rwh0wby2E50 Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [21:07] TR Bot NVIDIA goes OPEN SOURCE, China moves to Linux, and Fortnite on Linux - Linux and open source news - Invidious [21:08] icu better then you regular news titles [21:08] TR News Ubuntu or Canonical will keep pushing Microsoft until nobody bothers with Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/new-active-directory-integration-features-in-ubuntu-22-04-part-2-group-policy-objects see http://techrights.org/2022/05/11/canonical-boosting-windows/ [21:08] TR Bot Active Directory Integration features in Ubuntu 22.04 (part 2) Group Policy Objects | Ubuntu [21:08] TR Bot Ubuntu (Canonical) Will Not Help Us Get Rid of Windows (Microsoft) | Techrights [21:09] TR News Meanwhile LXer peddles WSL again, perhaps not understanding that that this is how Microsoft is ATTACKING GNU/Linux. WSL needs to die. It's not a a gateway, it's E.E.E. [21:10] icu Ubuntu is the dieng elephant going to rest at ms boneyard [21:11] icu actually none benifits more from linux diening then apple and google [21:12] TR News Cloudflare has rapidly turned from nuisance into terminal cancer. Lots of Web sites I can no longer access (not even their RSS feeds!!!!!!!!!!) not because I use Tor but because I do not (and cannot) run proprietary JavaScript. Cloudflare as a company is NOT profitable. It LOSES money. It needs to shut down operations!! The sooner, the better. [21:12] icu if apple didnt come along linux would have 10% market share [21:13] TR News The founder of cloudflare (clownflare) is dead BTW. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22878136 [21:13] TR Bot What Happened to Lee | Hacker News [21:14] schestowitz-TR apple did not "come alongm [21:14] schestowitz-TR apple has been around since the 1970s [21:15] schestowitz-TR gnu/linux has vastly more share than apple [21:15] schestowitz-TR but it's not for-profit [21:15] schestowitz-TR and in laptops it's not used as much [21:15] schestowitz-TR no marketing [21:15] TR News AlmaLinux OS 8.6 Is Now Available for Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164781#comment-33657 [21:15] TR Bot CentOS Alternative AlmaLinux OS 8.6 Is Now Available for Download, Based on RHEL 8.6 | Tux Machines [21:15] bnchs i remember hackintosh [21:15] bnchs that was before apple switched to ARM [21:16] icu i remenber bootcamp [21:16] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/18110448 [21:16] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/4eqmocrlm7w11.jpg created on 2018-11-04 15:38:46.511838 [21:17] icu apple only now switched to ARM [21:17] icu best thing about apple hardware was that you could install windows or linux on it [21:17] MinceR they've been using ARM in their glorified featurephones for ages [21:17] psydruid I remember Powermacs [21:18] TR News Linux Foundation is a source of FUD against Linux. Well, look who controls the organisation. https://venturebeat.com/2022/05/13/how-much-will-it-cost-to-secure-open-source-software-openssf-says-147-9m/ [21:18] TR Bot much will it cost to secure open-source software? OpenSSF says $147.9M | VentureBeat [21:19] icu ap'ple made trojanware the industry stANDARD [21:19] MinceR also they made closed platforms popular [21:19] TR News This report cites Microsoft proxies as "sources" regarding "Open Source" security... [21:20] icu YOU CANT HAVE A TROJAN OPENSOURCE AND SELL IT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE~ [21:20] TR News Microsoft loves Linux so much that it cannot stop raping it [21:23] TR News Linux Foundation quotes Jim Zemlin on security like Zemlin is a technical person. He is not. Charade, theatre, kakistocracy for FUD [21:23] TR News If you are a Linux user, Linux Foundation does not represent you. If you are a Microsoft fan, then maybe Linux Foundation does speak for you. [21:24] TR News "Russia threatens internet service providers, while exerting propaganda and stretching control over the flow of information in the occupied territories." https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ [21:24] TR Bot Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now [21:25] TR News Western lies: "PROFESSIONAL journalism" (sponsored by oligarchs like Bezos). Russian lies: "disinformation". Consider the possibility that both are lying. They lie differently. They have different interests. Sometimes. [21:26] AdmFubar they will milk fruit users for all they can get for this https://www.firstpost.com/tech/science/apple-working-on-secret-space-network-for-iphones-satellite-phones-10668431.html [21:26] TR Bot is apparently planning to launch a secret space network for iPhones- Technology News, Firstpost [21:27] icu it will make pegasus software undetectable [21:27] TR News History of mankind: our lies are just white lies, well intended. THEIRS are malicious and malevolent. [21:27] activelow quickly tested mksh and zsh as drop-in replacement for bash with gentoo... epic fail... don't see a chance to keep gentoo without bash [21:27] activelow meaning it will be all gone one day: gentoo, portage, bash... [21:27] TR News Zemlin works for Microsoft. He's just not aware of it. [21:28] activelow once the system profile is stabilized, the complicated dependency tracking with gentoo won't be necessary anymore [21:29] activelow don't know all details, what POSIX covered with shell capabilities, in practice there isn't portability [21:29] TR News Microsoft is transmitting malware again, but guess who the media will blame (perpetrators and victims, not the carrier) https://linuxstoney.com/attack-on-german-companies-through-npm-packages/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/ [21:29] TR Bot on German companies through NPM packages - LinuxStoney [21:29] TR Bot Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XVIII The Story of NPM | Techrights [21:29] icu i think slackware is the distro for me [21:30] activelow i need a rudimentary dependency tracking [21:30] icu it doesnt draggs in 100 dependecies [21:30] TR News SUSE works like little but subsidiary of SAP. It even attacks the FOUNDER of GNU/Linux. While PUSHING mostly PROPRIETARY software (yes, RMS is harmful to this agenda, no doubt) https://www.suse.com/c/analytics-in-the-cloud-how-and-why-it-is-important-for-your-organization/ [21:30] activelow all linux with gnu userspace do, often, except for some niche minimal ones with busybox [21:31] icu you install x program if it doesnt work you just have to live with out it [21:31] schestowitz-TR slacware has a ton og goodwill still going for it [21:31] schestowitz-TR it never got corrupted [21:31] schestowitz-TR with gentoo the founder sold out [21:31] schestowitz-TR slackware's name came under attack [21:31] schestowitz-TR from a company that called itself "slack" [21:31] activelow good question, how slackware tracks dependencies then, at some time they must do it [21:31] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:31] activelow implicitely or explicitely [21:32] TR News Kernel 5.15.39 compiled in Easy Bookworm https://bkhome.org/news/202205/kernel-51539-compiled-in-easy-bookworm.html Source: bkhome [21:32] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #techrights [21:32] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [21:32] icu there needs to be a unified progrming framework [21:32] schestowitz-TR within what context? [21:33] schestowitz-TR lack of competition is not good [21:33] schestowitz-TR standards are OK [21:33] schestowitz-TR consortia across industry [21:33] icu you can do a program and it will run everywere with out depending on x y z DE [21:34] icu like midi files [21:34] schestowitz-TR even competiting standards bodies can be good [21:34] schestowitz-TR so the rotten, corrupt ones perish [21:34] activelow posix... wasn't this stallman's term for it? [21:34] bnchs icu: midi files are dependent on a soundfont/syntheizer [21:34] bnchs and sounds different depending on THAT [21:35] icu a yes thats exactlly what i mean [21:35] bnchs so you want a program that runs differently [21:35] bnchs but has the identical output? [21:35] schestowitz-TR yes, posic is a term of rms [21:35] schestowitz-TR *posix [21:35] icu its runs the same it only uses each DE bells and wistles [21:36] schestowitz-TR of course some people like to pretend all rms ever did was mention esptein in some mit email to a large group of people [21:36] schestowitz-TR and wrote some dumb sentence of two in his site a decade ago [21:36] schestowitz-TR after some gnu contributor wrote to him [21:37] bnchs schestowitz-TR, he wrote a VR robot fanfic in his site [21:38] schestowitz-TR I never saw that [21:38] schestowitz-TR he does write a lot [21:38] icu the program will have a set of parameters to define the menus the window size whatever and the DE just translates it to its way of drwing stuff [21:38] schestowitz-TR for 30+ years [21:38] schestowitz-TR he also wrote a lot of code [21:38] schestowitz-TR very productive, all this while traveling to give talk and speak to polticians [21:39] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164821 [21:39] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [21:39] icu like midi doesnt care what the translation of its parameters are [21:39] bnchs schestowitz-TR, https://stallman.org/articles/made-for-you.html [21:39] TR Bot Made for You [21:39] schestowitz-TR activelow beat me to it re midi [21:39] schestowitz-TR midi is not unified [21:40] schestowitz-TR I gew up doing tons of midi [21:40] schestowitz-TR and even back then some sound cards played it poorly [21:40] schestowitz-TR you could get a rewndered version of it to wav [21:40] schestowitz-TR or later mp* [21:40] schestowitz-TR but midi is just a spec [21:40] bnchs mod files are better [21:40] icu its not up to the midi files to tell you how or in what way to translate its paremeters [21:41] icu whats sound lib you are using [21:41] schestowitz-TR the output is not predictable [21:41] schestowitz-TR not at the slightest [21:41] schestowitz-TR even the length an istrument plays is not specified [21:41] icu you might want to play the same music on stribgs and it does [21:41] schestowitz-TR or the speed [21:41] schestowitz-TR so the same midi file will give you many rendition [21:41] icu you might wnat it use the metals section and it does [21:42] bnchs it depends on the sound font [21:42] bnchs the soundlib [21:42] schestowitz-TR activelow and I were born a month apart, iirc, so we probably saw the adlib generation and other sound blaster things making widely different sounds [21:42] schestowitz-TR but young people don't understand that [21:42] icu like a program would render on gnome completelly difrent then kde but with same functionallity [21:42] schestowitz-TR back then to store a 10MB MP3 or 100MB FLAC was not possible [21:42] schestowitz-TR my whole HDD/HD was like 170KB, inc. OS [21:43] bnchs icu: what if a soundfont lacks the instrument to play a certain note [21:43] schestowitz-TR *170MB [21:43] schestowitz-TR games would therefore send commands to the sound card [21:43] icu also that would make programs possible alot slimmer [21:43] bnchs or the soundlib doesn't know what a certain MIDI event means [21:43] schestowitz-TR not stream of output [21:43] schestowitz-TR like with opencl/gl [21:44] icu an instrument can arguablly play any note [21:44] icu in fact theres only 7 [21:44] bnchs no [21:44] icu yes [21:45] bnchs i mean a midi track set to an undefined instrument [21:45] schestowitz-TR iirc, tempo is not defined [21:45] schestowitz-TR but has defaults [21:45] icu thats the "DE" job to chose the "instrument" [21:46] bnchs i had many experience with midi files [21:46] icu this is just a metaphore [21:46] TR News Cockpit 269 https://cockpit-project.org//blog/cockpit-269.html [21:46] TR Bot Cockpit 269 Cockpit Project [21:46] icu dont get stuck with mifi tecnicalities [21:46] bnchs yeah [21:46] bnchs "When Sandra was three months old, she proudly told me that she had got a job designing meat vats, and that she had obtained adult status. "Now that I'm not your ward, we can make love." My virtual reality gear had the necessary features, so we did that right away. " [21:47] TR News "A couple weeks ago the Fedora Community Outreach Revamp(FCOR) team announced that we would be organising an Ambassador Call Kick-off and collected feedback about availability." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/youre-invited-fedora-ambassador-call/ [21:47] TR Bot Youre invited: Fedora Ambassador Call Fedora Community Blog [21:47] icu you can use the same rationale to some extent with automatic translations [21:48] TR News ICBM schizo: one day is promotes clown computing (outsources), today is advocates "autonomy" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/5/autonomy-more-important-flexibility [21:48] TR Bot 3 reasons autonomy is more important than flexibility | The Enterprisers Project [21:49] icu bnchs whats this thing about sara? [21:49] bnchs richard stallman's fanfic [21:49] icu sandra or whatever [21:50] TR News Red Hat Announces Upcoming Release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164693#comment-33658 [21:50] TR Bot Red Hat: OpenShift, Keynotes, and RHEL 9 Released | Tux Machines [21:51] TR News Local availability of fast flash drives https://bkhome.org/news/202205/local-availability-of-fast-flash-drives.html I saw TONS of them in Tesco today. Didn't feel like there was any real shortage at all. [21:51] TR Bot Local availability of fast flash drives [21:51] icu i dont see how is that relevant [21:51] bnchs nah it's just something [21:52] TR News How to 'cook' short-term profits: fake shortages, hope this will cause a panic-buying spree. Of course sales stop after that... but that's not your problem when you're an executive judged on a quarter-to-quarter basis. [21:52] icu you seem to be a RMS afictionado [21:52] icu sucks to be you [21:52] schestowitz-TR afictionado - no [21:53] schestowitz-TR sympathetic maybe [21:53] schestowitz-TR because we see him unfairly attacked a lot [21:53] schestowitz-TR his haters do not understand him [21:53] schestowitz-TR the antagonists use straw man arguments and lies [21:53] schestowitz-TR and by doing so they make him seem "martyr" [21:53] schestowitz-TR it's an own goal [21:53] schestowitz-TR e.g. [21:53] schestowitz-TR saying RMS supports Epstein [21:53] schestowitz-TR that's Bill Gates, not RMS [21:54] schestowitz-TR RMS loathes Epstein [21:54] icu that again? [21:54] schestowitz-TR and called him nasty things in his site [21:54] schestowitz-TR icu: yes, that again [21:54] schestowitz-TR it was never corrected [21:54] schestowitz-TR so it seems like a lot of anti-RMS people are happy to cushion lies [21:54] schestowitz-TR it's an own goal [21:55] bnchs he pissed off the wrong people [21:55] icu and you seem happy to talk alot about it so what does that makes you? [21:55] bnchs now they're up at his throat [21:55] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:55] TR News "Youve probably heard about ad blockers, tab managers, anti-trackers or any number of browser customization tools commonly known as extensions. And maybe youre intrigued to try one, but youve never installed an extension before and the whole notion just seems a bit obscure." https://addons.mozilla.org/blog/extension-starter-pack/ [21:55] TR Bot Extension starter pack - Firefox Add-ons Blog [21:56] schestowitz-TR lol you just made me think: [21:56] schestowitz-TR maybe you could joke that by attacking epstein he annoyed esptein's friend [21:56] schestowitz-TR so they chose him as the scapegoat [21:56] schestowitz-TR e.g. at MIT [21:56] bnchs scapegoat [21:56] schestowitz-TR to deflect attention [21:56] schestowitz-TR off Gate [21:56] schestowitz-TR Gates [21:56] bnchs gonna cut his throat like a Eid Al Fitr [21:56] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/ [21:56] TR Bot Mansion of Pedophilia Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights [21:58] icu this channel is a Qanon offshot [21:58] TR News ONLYOFFICE 7.1 Office Suite Update Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164796#comment-33659 [21:58] TR Bot ONLYOFFICE Docs v7.1 released: ARM compatibility, PDF to DOCX conversion, Print preview in spreadsheets and more | Tux Machines [21:58] schestowitz-TR icu: haha, go on then.. [21:58] schestowitz-TR so pointing out FACTS about gates = "qanon" [21:59] schestowitz-TR congrats, you help defend the crooks [21:59] schestowitz-TR icu: quick or fast forward [21:59] schestowitz-TR the police in Seattle did hand over the us the report [21:59] schestowitz-TR almost 3000 pages [21:59] schestowitz-TR there was an arrest in Gates' mansion [21:59] schestowitz-TR there is no denying it ● May 13 [22:00] schestowitz-TR and we published most of the report (redacted) [22:00] icu screw you (only if you are over 19yo) schestowitz [22:00] bnchs lol [22:00] schestowitz-TR it's also a fact that Gates lost his wife because of the Esptein situation [22:00] schestowitz-TR I won't take insults for pointing out verified facts [22:01] schestowitz-TR unless you also think Seattle Police sat there writing all those pages for "shits and giggles" [22:01] icu who gives a fuck about gates? [22:01] schestowitz-TR or that Melinda Gates lied to the media [22:01] icu isnt this a linux channel? [22:01] schestowitz-TR you mentioned RMS [22:01] icu stop spamming BS [22:01] schestowitz-TR RMS was attacked over a straw man argument and lie [22:01] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [22:01] schestowitz-TR spamming by posting in techrights? [22:01] schestowitz-TR totally on-topic stuff? [22:02] schestowitz-TR you could instead act like a grown-up and learn something [22:02] schestowitz-TR you can ask me for high-authority media references too [22:02] schestowitz-TR and learn what's happening [22:02] schestowitz-TR now what PR campaigns led you to think [22:02] icu grown-up? [22:02] schestowitz-TR yes [22:03] bnchs icu: are you a sysop [22:03] schestowitz-TR you seem resistant to factas [22:03] schestowitz-TR and resort to name-calling [22:03] bnchs are you the owner of this irc server [22:03] icu looks like kindergarden figer pointing [22:03] bnchs to determine whats on topic and whats not on topic [22:03] schestowitz-TR projection ^ [22:03] icu LOL [22:04] TR News When open source meets academic publishing: Platinum open access journals | https://opensource.com/article/22/5/platinum-open-access-academic-journals Source: opensource.com [22:04] TR Bot open source meets academic publishing: Platinum open access journals | Opensource.com [22:04] icu i get you wanna decide whats my topic [22:04] schestowitz-TR I never called you names [22:04] schestowitz-TR it's more powerful to use facts [22:05] schestowitz-TR name-calling is what people do when effective/potent arguments have been exhausted [22:05] icu rgere are lots of facts [22:05] schestowitz-TR like saying "qanon" [22:05] schestowitz-TR qanon are brain-damaged people [22:05] icu i can shoose my facts [22:05] schestowitz-TR whom we always mocked [22:05] bnchs icu> who gives a fuck about gates? <-- asking it on #techrights [22:05] icu maybe they are moking you [22:05] schestowitz-TR and it's used as a straw man to demonise the actual thing [22:06] schestowitz-TR [08:32] "Take Bill Gates. Forget all the conspiracy theories about Gates and vaccines it's bizarre that people bother to make up those fairy-tales when the truth is so much worse." https://pluralistic.net/2022/05/11/a-dent-in-the-universe/#eminently-guillotineable | Source: CoryDoctorow [22:06] schestowitz-TR new [22:06] TR Bot Pluralistic: 11 May 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [22:06] schestowitz-TR it's a PR tactic [22:06] schestowitz-TR make a truth seem like "truthers" [22:06] schestowitz-TR and "crazy" [22:06] schestowitz-TR by crating some distorted, fictional theories [22:06] icu i get it now Qanon was made to mock you idiots [22:06] schestowitz-TR no [22:06] schestowitz-TR the media props up bogus stories [22:07] schestowitz-TR to make it seem like the accurate accounts are the same [22:07] icu that makes sence [22:07] schestowitz-TR as the BS [22:07] schestowitz-TR it's an old PR tactic [22:07] icu makes sence too [22:07] schestowitz-TR when you cannot deny something [22:07] schestowitz-TR make a straw man [22:07] schestowitz-TR BillBC did that last week [22:07] schestowitz-TR Bill has paid them for a decade [22:08] schestowitz-TR and now they help him portray his critics as "cranks" [22:08] icu Bill is a pedo so what? [22:08] schestowitz-TR no [22:08] schestowitz-TR don't know [22:08] schestowitz-TR that's what the fools would leap to [22:08] icu whatever the facts are [22:08] schestowitz-TR but it's a fact that he was very close to Esptein [22:08] schestowitz-TR so close his wife divorced him [22:08] icu I DONT GIVE A SHIT [22:08] icu ~ [22:08] schestowitz-TR ok [22:08] schestowitz-TR later you will [22:08] schestowitz-TR you cannot hold the shit in for long :-) [22:09] schestowitz-TR bbl [22:09] icu me? [22:09] schestowitz-TR this chat became a waste of time [22:09] icu you just now discovered that? [22:09] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [22:09] icu arent you the smart apple [22:10] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/04/media-still-distracts/ [22:10] TR Bot Media Frenzy Around Gates Divorce Helps Distract From Bills Crimes | Techrights [22:10] schestowitz-TR icu: have a look [22:10] schestowitz-TR it's a roundup [22:10] schestowitz-TR you might find that helpful [22:10] schestowitz-TR I'll be back to IRC later, I strart work at 1am [22:10] schestowitz-TR and want to clean my RSS feeds [22:10] icu my interest in that is -100 [22:11] TR News [Buzzword] inspiration from Toyota Production System and Lean considered harmful https://blogs.fsfe.org/agger/2022/05/12/devops-inspiration-from-toyota-production-system-and-lean-considered-harmful/ [22:11] TR Bot DevOps inspiration from Toyota Production System and Lean considered harmful agger's Free Software blog [22:11] TR News "I felt a bit cheap compared to the other guests who were preparing full-on meals with avocado, rice and eggs, but this was inexpensive and quick which was important, since I was going to have a video call later the morning." https://blog.jabberhead.tk/2022/05/13/europe-trip-journal-entry-10-pub-crawl/ [22:11] TR Bot Europe Trip Journal Entry 10: Pub Crawl vanitasvitae's blog [22:12] bnchs icu, what are you here for [22:12] bnchs nothing but mindless trolling? [22:12] TR News Free software brings people around the world together. Proprietary software brings intelligence agencies around the world together ("data sharing"... data about all of us). [22:13] TR News "Papercups is an open-source self-hosted live customer support tool web app written in Elixir language." https://medevel.com/papercups/ [22:13] TR Bot Add a live chat to your website or web app with Papercups [22:13] icu well to dig up Bill privet shit sure isnt one of them [22:13] icu i couldnt care less [22:13] TR News Leon is your next open-source personal assistant https://medevel.com/leon-ai/ [22:13] TR Bot Leon is your next open-source personal assistant [22:14] TR News sqlite-utils: a nice way to import data into SQLite for analysis https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/05/12/sqlite-utils--a-nice-way-to-import-data-into-sqlite/ [22:14] TR Bot sqlite-utils: a nice way to import data into SQLite for analysis [22:15] icu i dont read the SUN nor anyof that pink crap [22:15] schestowitz-TR the tabloids help gates [22:15] schestowitz-TR by promoting the crank stuff [22:15] schestowitz-TR and doing the decoy with BS stories [22:15] schestowitz-TR to discredit the reality using similar-sounding fiction [22:16] icu i dont care how verisimilitude it has [22:17] Ariadne i spend the overwhelming majority of my time not thinking either way about RMS, but i will say that he did not simp for epstein in the MIT mailing list thread in question [22:17] TR News Microsoft is not "Open Source Leader" https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/open-source-leaders-push-wh-for-security-action-176531.html [22:17] TR Bot Source Leaders Push WH for Security Action | LinuxInsider [22:18] TR News White House Asking Proprietary Software Companies That Add NSA Back Doors About Their Views on Open Source Security http://techrights.org/2022/01/14/white-house-security-theatre/ [22:18] TR Bot White House Asking Proprietary Software Companies That Add NSA Back Doors About Their Views on Open Source Security | Techrights [22:19] TR News There is no "Magic" to it. Pure marketing. https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-alternatives-apple-magic-keyboard/ [22:19] TR Bot 9 of the Best Alternatives to Apple's Magic Keyboard - Make Tech Easier [22:19] TR News Introducing Easy Bookworm https://bkhome.org/news/202205/introducing-easy-bookworm.html Source: bkhome | easyOS [22:19] TR Bot Introducing Easy Bookworm [22:20] TR News ZDNet is once again helping Microsoft's attacks on GNU/Linux. I don't even want to link to that... [22:21] TR News ZDNet "Linux" section... brought to you by Microsoft media operatives like Mary Jo Foley. Avoid that site. They tarnish the brand. http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet#2022 [22:21] TR Bot ZDNet - Techrights [22:21] TR News Remi Collet: PHP version 8.0.19 and 8.1.6 https://blog.remirepo.net/post/2022/05/13/PHP-version-8.0.19-and-8.1.6 [22:21] TR Bot PHP version 8.0.19 and 8.1.6 - Remi's RPM repository - Blog [22:22] TR News Debian (which we use on four machines) manages to recruit just one Developer a month. Not enough, DPL admits. Maybe they need better leadership. https://bits.debian.org/2022/05/new-developers-2022-04.html [22:22] TR Bot New Debian Developers and Maintainers (March and April 2022) - Bits from Debian [22:23] icu who defines what dependencies a program needs? [22:23] TR News EasyOS .img file now not compressed https://bkhome.org/news/202205/easyos-img-file-now-not-compressed.html Source: bkhome [22:23] TR Bot EasyOS .img file now not compressed [22:23] icu i bet many dont need as much has they claim [22:23] icu just like app store apps with permissions [22:25] icu the spywareSOs store [22:25] icu LOL [22:25] icu spyware as a service [22:26] icu and people think google fb apple profits come from advertising [22:26] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [22:27] TR News LF brags about Windows program developed on Microsoft's proprietary prison https://linuxfoundation.org/featured/the-open-3d-foundation-announces-latest-enhancements-to-open-3d-engine-invites-o3dcon-call-for-proposals/ [22:27] TR Bot The Open 3D Foundation Announces Latest Enhancements toOpen 3D Engine, Invites O3DCon 'Call for Proposals' - Linux Foundation [22:28] TR News GNU/Linux Out Loud: "Welcome to episode 13 of Linux Out Loud. We fired up our mics, connected those headphones as we searched the community for themes to expound upon. We kept the banter friendly, the conversation somewhat on topic, and had fun doing it." https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/linux-out-loud/lol-13/ [22:28] TR Bot Distro of the Fledgling - Linux Out Loud - TuxDigital [22:29] TR News The Second Best Time to Protect Your Privacy - Purism https://puri.sm/posts/the-second-best-time-to-protect-your-privacy/ Source: purism [22:29] TR Bot The Second Best Time to Protect Your Privacy Purism [22:30] TR News openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/19 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164809#comment-33660 [22:30] TR Bot GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Tux Machines [22:31] icu https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/13/calling-a-man-bald-counts-as-sexual-harassment-uk-judge-rules.html [22:31] TR Bot Calling a man bald counts as sexual harassment, UK judge rules [22:32] TR News IP3 Awards Nominations - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/ip3nominations/ Source: publicknowledge (sadly now infiltrated by Microsoft) [22:32] TR Bot IP3 Awards Nominations - Public Knowledge [22:32] schestowitz-TR icu [22:32] icu heil to england if only Bill would be a UK citizen [22:32] schestowitz-TR let me get this right [22:32] schestowitz-TR you post the above "man bites dog" clickbair [22:32] schestowitz-TR while accusing a TECHRIGHTS news bot in #TECHRIGHTS IRC of "spamming" [22:32] schestowitz-TR for posting tech news? [22:33] schestowitz-TR and then want to be taken seriously? [22:33] schestowitz-TR the above link is all gender wars [22:33] schestowitz-TR trying to incite genders against one another [22:33] schestowitz-TR the "men as victim" crowd [22:34] schestowitz-TR if you don't want to seem like a troll, then quit acting like one [22:34] icu bla bla bla [22:34] schestowitz-TR yeah [22:34] schestowitz-TR e4xactly [22:34] bnchs this is probably just a kid [22:34] icu i didnt made up this story [22:34] schestowitz-TR there are two channels suitable for CNBC clickbait [22:34] *oarion7 (~anonymous@user/oarion7) has joined #techrights [22:34] schestowitz-TR #techpol and #boycottnovell-social [22:35] schestowitz-TR so we can focus on tech here [22:35] schestowitz-TR and now argue about divisive gender wars [22:35] icu maybe flooding is a better wording [22:36] TR News ZDNet spews out "LINUX" to promote MICROSOFT PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE. [22:36] schestowitz-TR icu: you can mute it [22:36] icu are you gona CoC me now? [22:36] schestowitz-TR if it's too much for you [22:36] schestowitz-TR see MOTD in this network [22:36] schestowitz-TR we don't have a CoC [22:36] schestowitz-TR we expect people to not be "dicks" [22:36] icu sounded like it [22:36] schestowitz-TR and to behave reasonably OK [22:36] schestowitz-TR you name-call [22:36] icu trying to incite genders against one another [22:36] schestowitz-TR so people will liekly ignore you [22:37] Ariadne techrights is not SOC2 certified [22:37] schestowitz-TR until you get bored [22:37] Ariadne so sad [22:37] *schestowitz-TR back to posting links [22:37] icu LOL [22:37] bnchs icu: pissed off? [22:37] icu you and your half a dosen of sad peeps [22:37] bnchs sure i'll post more links [22:38] TR News Look what companies are in this thing. They relay everyone's data to the NSA. That itself is a data breach. https://www.darkreading.com/application-security/linux-openssf-champion-10-point-plan-to-improve-open-source-security [22:38] TR Bot Linux, OpenSSF Champion Plan to Improve Open Source Security [22:38] icu so will i [22:38] bnchs cool [22:39] icu https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/13/calling-a-man-bald-is-sexual-harassment-employment-tribunal-rules [22:39] TR Bot Calling a man bald is sexual harassment, employment tribunal rules | Sexual harassment | The Guardian [22:39] icu is this more palative to you your highness [22:39] TR News Steven Vaughan-Nichols is paid to have become a corporate writer for corporate front group, with his occasional defamation against the community [22:40] Ariadne schestowitz-TR: while i am skeptical that the OpenSSF will actually do anything useful, only a handful of the companies involved participate in PRISM :upside [22:40] Ariadne wow, stupid fucking irc client [22:40] schestowitz-TR Ariadne: yes it's not all bad [22:41] schestowitz-TR but they will not pursue a full solution [22:41] schestowitz-TR the approach they have is [22:41] schestowitz-TR we need your data [22:41] schestowitz-TR we pass it around [22:41] schestowitz-TR but trust us [22:41] schestowitz-TR notice no chinese and russian companies there [22:41] schestowitz-TR it's not about security [22:41] schestowitz-TR it's six-eyes [22:42] Ariadne you are aware that there are sanctions in place, right [22:42] schestowitz-TR yes [22:42] schestowitz-TR and LF complies [22:42] schestowitz-TR because LF is part of that [22:42] icu six-eyes is all bout security [22:42] Ariadne i mean they don't really have any option but to comply [22:42] schestowitz-TR sad [22:42] Ariadne failure to comply is literally a crime [22:42] schestowitz-TR maybe we should re-decentralise Linux [22:42] schestowitz-TR like when it was in Helsinki [22:42] Ariadne the FSF also complies with the same sanctions [22:42] schestowitz-TR Helsinki is not yet in NATO [22:42] schestowitz-TR or six-eyes [22:43] schestowitz-TR and it doesn't send data to the fusion centres [22:43] Ariadne they deactivated the memberships of russian contributors because of the sanctions [22:43] schestowitz-TR intereting [22:43] schestowitz-TR I saw no reports on that.. [22:43] schestowitz-TR LibreOffice/TDF did something [22:43] schestowitz-TR but not for contributors [22:43] schestowitz-TR for a sponsor [22:44] icu The Price of Security is Eternal Vigilance -> thats what they think off "securtity" [22:44] Ariadne schestowitz-TR: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-02/msg00056.html [22:44] TR Bot Re: Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software? [22:44] Ariadne schestowitz-TR: no more FSF membership for russians at the moment :) [22:44] icu civil liberty be damned [22:45] schestowitz-TR "Vigilance" = mass surveillance, intelligence [22:45] icu im i my brothers keeper? YES [22:45] schestowitz-TR https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-02/msg00055.html [22:45] TR Bot Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software? [22:46] schestowitz-TR (just for context) [22:46] schestowitz-TR we covered this in techriughts [22:46] schestowitz-TR how FSF treads carefully [22:46] schestowitz-TR and tries to dodge the issues [22:47] schestowitz e.g. http://techrights.org/2022/03/03/from-ukraine-with-love/ [22:47] TR Bot Message to LibrePlanet (From Ukraine) Censored But Not Ignored | Techrights [22:47] schestowitz-TR FSF is ina tough place... [22:47] schestowitz-TR Boston [22:48] schestowitz-TR and a political climate where you must presume all russians are evil [22:48] schestowitz-TR and ban them [22:48] schestowitz-TR else, you are "with Putin" [22:48] schestowitz-TR XRevan86 is Russian and is strongly against Putin [22:48] schestowitz-TR he also contributesd a lot to gnu/linux [22:48] schestowitz-TR contributes [22:48] schestowitz-TR so only a foolish org would sanction him [22:48] icu racists love xenophobia [22:48] icu its a steping stone [22:49] Ariadne schestowitz-TR: unfortunately laws are laws [22:49] schestowitz-TR laws change [22:49] Ariadne they do [22:49] schestowitz-TR and there is also civil disobedience [22:49] schestowitz "laws are laws" http://techrights.org/2021/03/13/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-4/ [22:49] TR Bot EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part IV: The US CLOUD Act Passes Without Public Debate | Techrights [22:49] schestowitz-TR no debate [22:50] schestowitz-TR some lobbyists write law [22:50] schestowitz-TR so laws are laws [22:50] schestowitz-TR cause some rich people paid them to change the law [22:50] schestowitz-TR and also bribed the politicians [22:50] schestowitz-TR too busy tweeting instead of reading what bills they VOTE on [22:51] TR News TPMs? No thanks!! https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/aws_tpm_smartnic/ [22:51] TR Bot Those NitroTPMs Amazon teased really are coming to AWS EC2 The Register [22:51] icu politicians are only elected because the "algorithms" upvote them [22:52] TR News AWS = data breach. You've given away all your data (and customers' data) to the government, usually a foreign government http://techrights.org/2021/03/13/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-4/ [22:52] icu so you really need to rub the spyware platforms in all the right ways [22:53] TR News "The diffoscope maintainers are pleased to announce the release of diffoscope version 212." https://diffoscope.org/news/diffoscope-212-released/ [22:53] TR Bot diffoscope 212 released [22:54] icu why did elon just spent 44billions with out a care in the world [22:55] icu that was the platform he didn't control [22:55] TR News "Confidential computing" = security threatre. We stole all your data, but don't worry, we'll do "security things" to it. TRUST US! Linux Foundation: "Confidential computing" is fantastic. Companies that are bribing us while stealing your data pay us to say that. EPO also: http://techrights.org/2021/12/21/the-unlawful-normalised/ [22:55] icu you cant loose if you own all the cards [22:55] TR Bot EPOs Privacy Violations Being Normalised | Techrights [22:55] schestowitz-TR now he says they fake traffic [22:55] schestowitz-TR which is correct [22:55] schestowitz-TR so might not buy [22:55] schestowitz-TR just let it sink to death [22:56] schestowitz-TR same thing Microsoft and Icahn did to Yahoo! [22:56] schestowitz-TR [16:06] He's not wrong. Twitter is FAKING its numbers. https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/13/musk_twitter_on_hold/ see https://techrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/\ [22:56] TR Bot Elon Musk puts Twitter deal on hold over bot count The Register [22:56] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://techrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/\ ) [22:56] schestowitz-TR https://techrights.org/2022/04/16/twitter-lies/ [22:56] TR Bot Twitter is Not as Important as the Media Wants Us to Believe | Techrights [22:56] icu fake traffic? rgey do that? nooooooes waaaayyy [22:57] schestowitz-TR FB does it too [22:57] icu thats some conspiracy theory [22:57] schestowitz-TR "everyone is doing it!!" [22:57] schestowitz-TR They got sued over it [22:57] schestowitz-TR and lost [22:57] schestowitz-TR settled with shareholders [22:57] schestowitz-TR FOMO requires false assumptions [22:58] icu not in the USA the land of the free [22:58] *goosestepping_ has quit (Quit: Ping timeout: Over 9000!!!) [22:58] icu NEVER!! [22:58] *goosestepping_ (~goosestepping@fvvmgk8pjamwa.irc) has joined #techrights [22:59] icu https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/13/23070306/elon-musk-twitter-deal-on-hold-spam-inauthentic-accounts [22:59] TR Bot Elon Musk says Twitter deal temporarily on hold - The Verge ● May 13 [23:00] schestowitz-TR he is RIGHT [23:00] schestowitz-TR I can't believe I say this [23:00] schestowitz-TR but.. [23:00] schestowitz-TR he got lots of free press [23:00] schestowitz-TR that's him main skill [23:00] schestowitz-TR like Trump [23:00] schestowitz-TR attracting free media coverage [23:00] schestowitz-TR he might not spend a dime AND>.. [23:00] schestowitz-TR and a shareholder profit from this [23:01] icu at least he deosent make a complete fool of him self like trump [23:01] icu just fool enough to be deemed wited [23:02] schestowitz-TR [10:40] "The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) is reportedly investigating Elon Musks delayed reporting after he acquired a sizable stake" https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3485554-feds-investigating-musks-late-disclosure-of-twitter-stake-report/ | Source: The Hill [23:02] TR Bot Feds investigating Musks late disclosure of Twitter stake: report | The Hill [23:02] schestowitz-TR (this week) [23:02] Ariadne schestowitz-TR: actually i just noticed Alibaba is part of OpenSSF, and they are chinese [23:02] schestowitz-TR ah, OK, a token one :-) [23:03] schestowitz-TR japan is six eyes [23:03] schestowitz-TR there are several of those [23:03] schestowitz-TR maybe LF got special permission from DoD ;-) [23:03] schestowitz-TR same for the board [23:03] icu china is a 1billion eye [23:03] TR News Software: diffoscope, Leon, Papercups, and Cockpit Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164822 [23:03] TR Bot Software: diffoscope, Leon, Papercups, and Cockpit | Tux Machines [23:03] icu so the west got alot of catching up [23:04] bnchs chinese devices have more insecurities [23:04] bnchs and i don't know why [23:04] goosestepping_ good day, citizens. [23:04] icu insecurities? no ... security features [23:04] schestowitz-TR did someone measure? [23:04] schestowitz-TR and break it down by country of OEM? [23:05] bnchs schestowitz-TR, there's a chinese company that makes CCTV cameras [23:05] bnchs called dahua [23:05] schestowitz-TR countries are "not good" at finding their own holes... that they plan to be there [23:05] bnchs they had many security vulnerabilites which either allowed attackers full access to the CCTV system [23:05] icu goggle is shuting down proper avenues from the store so they need other ways [23:05] bnchs or/and the LAN [23:05] schestowitz-TR CCTV was supposed to be CLOSED circuit [23:05] schestowitz-TR and now LAN or Internet connected [23:05] schestowitz-TR those are stupid toys [23:05] bnchs they actually tried to DOWNPLAY the vulnerabilites [23:05] schestowitz-TR and gizmos unfit for purpose [23:05] bnchs and even failed to patch those for years [23:06] schestowitz-TR like an intercom that goes through gulag [23:06] schestowitz-TR when you could instead just wire the two ends [23:06] icu just like xisco routers [23:07] bnchs schestowitz-TR, you can find many exposed dahua devices [23:07] bnchs even with unpatched vulnerabilites [23:07] bnchs shows how much secure china is [23:08] schestowitz-TR seems like a bad solution [23:08] schestowitz-TR that ought not be deployed [23:08] schestowitz-TR I would not trust the western ones eithere [23:08] schestowitz-TR probably "Alexa-enabled" junk [23:08] schestowitz-TR a government-connected microphone inside your own home [23:08] schestowitz-TR Orwell would turn in the grave, or Winston [23:09] bnchs what would you trust the most [23:09] bnchs a computer with pfsense installed [23:09] bnchs or some unknown brand name router [23:09] schestowitz-TR what is that computer? [23:09] schestowitz-TR the computer too can have issues [23:09] schestowitz-TR pfsense wants a net connection [23:10] Ariadne i use PCEngines APU2 with coreboot [23:10] schestowitz-TR who knows that the ethernet adapter does [23:10] Ariadne and alpine [23:10] Ariadne [23:10] bnchs ofc you use alpine [23:10] schestowitz-TR it is more minimalist, smaller attack surface [23:11] Ariadne idk busybox is a pretty huge attack surface [23:11] schestowitz-TR you don't want your car to have apache with open 81 port [23:11] bnchs schestowitz-TR, yeah and intel me and all that [23:11] bnchs ISPs are starting to crack down on "unauthorized" routers [23:11] bnchs and starting to force people to use THEIR routers [23:12] Ariadne strange isp [23:12] bnchs for security or some shit [23:12] Ariadne i use a local one which does not care at all [23:12] schestowitz-TR sometimes just being offline is [23:12] schestowitz-TR 1) eay [23:12] schestowitz-TR *erasy [23:12] schestowitz-TR and 2) safe [23:12] schestowitz-TR today we shopped with no tracking on us [23:12] schestowitz-TR paid cash [23:12] Ariadne they gave me an SFP+ module and i plugged it into my APU2 [23:12] bnchs Ariadne, they don't enforce this on ADSL [23:12] *Ariadne shrug [23:12] schestowitz-TR the masks further obscure ID, but it's for health reasons [23:12] bnchs but on fibre optic they do [23:13] schestowitz-TR our shopping list is our shopping list [23:13] XRevan86 schestowitz: I'm legally not allowed to approve of sanctions. [23:13] schestowitz-TR not "big data" [23:13] bnchs but you have a cool ISP [23:13] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: your presidentviolates the conastitution [23:13] icu today we shopped with no tracking on us > only the CCTV tracked you [23:13] schestowitz-TR make him a deal [23:13] schestowitz-TR you will obey the law when he does.. or dies [23:14] schestowitz-TR icu: no [23:14] schestowitz-TR the cctv knows nothing about me [23:14] XRevan86 schestowitz: Tempting, but I doubt Comrade Major will relay that deal. [23:14] Ariadne obscuring ID is good [23:14] schestowitz-TR I have a bike hemmet and 2 masks [23:14] Ariadne normalize masks [23:14] schestowitz-TR *helmet [23:14] schestowitz-TR and the shop is 8 km from us [23:14] bnchs all i could understand from this is they're doing this because their routers have backdoors [23:14] XRevan86 https://github.com/DeaDBeeF-Player/deadbeef/commit/d68495890fab7e3ac63674df72d8de82a592d78f sigh [23:14] TR Bot unsupported language localization DeaDBeeF-Player/deadbeef@d684958 GitHub [23:15] bnchs probably doing this* [23:15] icu CCTV can track plates RZ [23:15] icu EZ [23:15] bnchs depends on the quality of the camera [23:15] icu thats even better [23:15] *schestowitz-TR thinks fridges should not have microphones and cameras in them... or ethernet components... or wifi [23:15] bnchs schestowitz-TR, do you think toilets should have them [23:15] bnchs or your sink [23:16] icu did you politilly ask the CCTV if it was able to track you? [23:16] schestowitz-TR bnchs: some people think they should [23:16] schestowitz-TR we need to talk to these people [23:16] schestowitz-TR CCTV is useless [23:16] icu WC fack mirrors [23:16] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2013/05/25/surveillance/ [23:16] TR Bot Blog Archive CCTV Not Effective [23:16] icu fake [23:17] icu fake mirrors on WC thats comon practice [23:17] TR News NetworkManager 1.38 Released with IPv6 and Wi-Fi Hotspot Improvements, More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164823 [23:17] TR Bot NetworkManager 1.38 Released with IPv6 and Wi-Fi Hotspot Improvements, More | Tux Machines [23:17] icu and they samplke you poop for drugs [23:18] icu and urine [23:18] icu its a public bathroom! [23:18] icu public piss and poop [23:18] icu its a free for all [23:19] icu besides DNA [23:19] schestowitz-TR for your health [23:19] schestowitz-TR and safety [23:19] bnchs they put cameras in toilet [23:19] schestowitz-TR and fitness [23:19] Ariadne so many of these enterprise "open source supply chain security" things are such a joke [23:19] schestowitz-TR they trst it for you [23:19] schestowitz-TR and can report if you have cancer [23:19] Ariadne they just check if github says it is legit or not [23:19] schestowitz-TR it's a PUBLIC SERVICE [23:19] bnchs 2015: that's bad, what a pervert [23:19] bnchs 2022: lol they won't know it's me anyway [23:19] schestowitz-TR Ariadne: yes, snakeoil [23:20] schestowitz-TR I am going to do a chain of links about it in tuxmachines [23:20] schestowitz-TR inc. one about NPM [23:20] schestowitz-TR they always blame thevictim [23:20] schestowitz-TR because Microsoft sent malware to them [23:20] Ariadne schestowitz-TR: it is an important space, but like 90% snakeoil [23:20] icu then you wonder why your health insurance gets pumped up? [23:20] schestowitz-TR Microsoft does not check or scan what it sends to people [23:20] schestowitz-TR and then it blames "open source" and the users of it [23:21] bnchs npm [23:21] Ariadne npm gets the "award" for "most improvement" in supply chain i guess [23:21] icu open source meaning goglle [23:21] bnchs it's both brandon and node.js's fault [23:21] schestowitz-TR icu: we have national health insurance [23:21] Ariadne they are still terrible [23:21] schestowitz-TR so you do not get penalised either way [23:21] icu if that good enough for you [23:22] bnchs the amount of languages relying on their own package manager is rising [23:22] schestowitz-TR CSO of GitHub is NSA [23:22] schestowitz-TR makes you wonder [23:22] schestowitz-TR what "security" means toi GitHub (Microsoft) [23:22] schestowitz-TR Russia should not trust downloads from there [23:22] schestowitz-TR except maybe with Tor/VPN [23:23] icu bnchs divide and conquer [23:23] bnchs microsoft is known (and still known) for having horrible QA [23:23] bnchs or quality control [23:23] TR News Red Hat/Fedora Family and IBM Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164824 [23:23] TR Bot Red Hat/Fedora Family and IBM | Tux Machines [23:23] bnchs they will let in some dangerous packages [23:24] schestowitz-TR no no.. [23:24] schestowitz-TR you got it all wrong [23:24] schestowitz-TR it's all about trust [23:24] icu microsoft is known (and still known) for having horrible QA THEY JUST HAD PEOPLE UNISTALLING UPDATES [23:24] schestowitz-TR CAs [23:24] schestowitz-TR chain of trust [23:24] schestowitz-TR trust Gulag [23:24] schestowitz-TR Trust GitHub [23:24] schestowitz-TR don't trust your friends [23:24] schestowitz-TR self-signed site from the MAKER OF ITS OWN SOFTWARE? BAD. [23:24] schestowitz-TR Need to OUTSOURCE trust. [23:24] bnchs npm's system is flawed [23:24] icu just the pain of having to install them just to uninstall them [23:24] schestowitz-TR DoD knows best [23:24] bnchs because it's easy to just put your packages [23:24] bnchs without any verifications [23:25] schestowitz-TR or change them [23:25] bnchs unlike GNU/Linux distributions, where they do strict testing [23:25] schestowitz-TR wordpress had this issue way back in 2004 [23:25] icu it takes ages to install MS updates on my machines [23:25] schestowitz-TR when i was more involved] [23:25] schestowitz-TR they realise people would upload extensions, themes, or both [23:25] schestowitz-TR and change them to do malicious things [23:25] schestowitz-TR either for harm or financial gain [23:25] schestowitz-TR so Alex King started to manually study the submissions [23:26] schestowitz-TR but then each version needs checking again [23:26] schestowitz-TR and as software gets more bloated it's impossible to keep up [23:26] schestowitz-TR someone asked in Debian's mailing lists about it last month [23:26] schestowitz-TR instead they shifted to another topi [23:26] schestowitz-TR non-free/firmware [23:26] schestowitz-TR so the original topic was 'forgotten' [23:26] schestowitz-TR even just 1 or 2 among 1000 debian contributors can be spies [23:26] schestowitz-TR for nsa [23:27] schestowitz-TR or bnd [23:27] schestowitz-TR or kipo [23:27] icu i got lots of warnning about missing firmwares for AMDGPU [23:27] schestowitz-TR and if they upload to the ftp/similar some rogue package that many packages use [23:27] schestowitz-TR like ooenssl [23:27] icu last kernel update [23:27] Ariadne 5:26 PM even just 1 or 2 among 1000 debian contributors can be spies [23:27] schestowitz-TR they can do huge damage [23:27] icu what was that about? [23:27] schestowitz-TR even with just 2 lines of code changed, to lower entropy [23:27] Ariadne i am planning to revise alpine's developer access background check guidelines to deal with this [23:27] schestowitz-TR yeah [23:27] schestowitz-TR you shoulkd [23:28] schestowitz-TR and core packages need careful double-checking [23:28] schestowitz-TR some distros would not adopt latest version of these until 6-12 months later [23:29] bnchs the problem with npm's design [23:29] schestowitz-TR debian chain of treust is just one dd signing for another new dd [23:29] schestowitz-TR in theory gchq can blackmail or bribe either, or both.. [23:29] Ariadne the problem with npm's design is the same problem as pypi, etc [23:29] icu do you know way i got lots of warnings about AMGPU missing firmware? [23:29] bnchs is that it lacks the double checking distributions would usually do [23:29] Ariadne there is no review [23:29] schestowitz-TR can even write the patch for them [23:29] *GNUmoon2 has quit (connection closed) [23:29] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:29] bnchs Ariadne, yes [23:29] schestowitz-TR or do so without disclosing the source or intent [23:29] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@bkb7tdc7zpz6c.irc) has joined #techrights [23:29] schestowitz-TR they blackmailed the brother of a friend here, 15+ years ago [23:29] schestowitz-TR jail or work for us [23:30] schestowitz-TR after he has tinkered with some BT exchanges [23:30] Ariadne a mitigation is that developers should sign their releases [23:30] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [23:30] Ariadne but PKI is hard [23:30] schestowitz-TR many people lost faith in a lot of the toolchains [23:30] schestowitz-TR and make their own [23:31] schestowitz-TR or form a new circle of trust [23:31] schestowitz-TR openbsd seems meticulous [23:31] icu opensuse just elected GCC12 to be the standrd compiler [23:32] Ariadne alpine 3.17 will also use gcc12 [23:32] schestowitz-TR tumbleweed has just adopted it [23:32] schestowitz-TR [20:58] Links 13/05/2022: GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/13/gcc-12-becoming-default-compiler-in-tumbleweed/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/13/gcc-12-becoming-default-compiler-in-tumbleweed/ [23:33] TR Bot Links 13/05/2022: GCC 12 Becoming Default Compiler in Tumbleweed | Techrights [23:33] schestowitz-TR many in SUSE work on GCC [23:33] icu i thought llvm was better or more perfomant [23:33] Ariadne i already have the packages staged, but we are frozen for alpine 3.16 release atm [23:33] Ariadne icu: it depends [23:34] schestowitz https://lwn.net/Articles/582242/ [23:34] TR Bot on GCC, LLVM, and copyleft [LWN.net] [23:34] schestowitz https://gcc.gnu.org/legacy-ml/gcc/2014-01/msg00247.html [23:34] TR Bot Richard Stallman - Re: clang vs free software [23:34] bnchs alpine helped me a bit when i was using openrc [23:34] bnchs copying the init scripts from alpine's code [23:34] schestowitz https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU4MjA [23:34] TR Bot Stallman Calls LLVM A "Terrible Setback" - Phoronix [23:36] Ariadne icu: LLVM MIR allows for some kinds of optimizations to be done more easily, at the cost of other optimizations [23:36] TR News Misguided Security Theatre Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164825 [23:36] TR Bot Misguided Security Theatre | Tux Machines [23:36] TR News Debian: New Contributors, Bookworm-Based EasyOS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164826 [23:36] TR Bot Debian: New Contributors, Bookworm-Based EasyOS | Tux Machines [23:36] Ariadne MIR is easier to write than GIMPLE [23:37] Ariadne also, GCC has had the advantage of being around longer, and is still an interesting target for researchers working on new optimization methods, because LLVM is more... corporate [23:38] Ariadne so for raw performance, GCC is still ahead in a lot of ways [23:38] Ariadne but for things like security mitigations, LLVM is much more advanced [23:38] *matey (~matey@ftgrpexbhfxyc.irc) has joined #techrights [23:38] TR News KVM: VMX: enable IPI virtualization https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/virt/kvm/kvm.git/commit/?h=next&id=694599c8267d862085324bc1f6ef5e8014abc5c0 [23:38] TR Bot kvm/kvm.git - kernel-based virtual machine - kvm [23:38] matey the fucking spineless foundation has to follow laws, yes [23:39] matey but it doesnt have to like them [23:39] TR News thunderbolt: Add support for XDomain lane bonding https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/westeri/thunderbolt.git/commit/?h=next&id=8e1de7042596abb7cb277ea751fc13a4c2b65aea [23:39] TR Bot kernel/git/westeri/thunderbolt.git - Thunderbolt and USB4 development tree [23:39] matey when it starts complaining about having to follow laws, instead of spinelessly and silently complying [23:39] matey then we can say "well what do you want? its the law" [23:39] matey until then its just spinelessness [23:39] TR News x86/cpu: Add new VMX feature, Tertiary VM-Execution control https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/virt/kvm/kvm.git/commit/?h=next&id=121383d0107ee8a6cd2c75a1a132d7a63f9cb0a0 [23:39] TR Bot kvm/kvm.git - kernel-based virtual machine - kvm [23:39] matey but this is a small part of a broader, similar picture going on for years [23:39] matey its not that they do what they have to do [23:40] matey they just. dont. fucking. care. at all. [23:40] matey they should, they would, they did. they dont. [23:40] matey one more example changes nothing, its just another confirmation on a mountain of confirmation [23:40] Ariadne i mean i have lots of skepticism of all of these corporate players [23:41] TR News Finally not forcing you to pay for Windows, at long last! https://www.itsfoss.net/beelink-ser-4-4800u-x-new-mini-pc-with-manjaro-pre-installed/ [23:41] TR Bot SER 4 4800U X, new mini-PC with Manjaro pre-installed - itsfoss.net [23:42] TR News WSL is WINDOWS, it is NOT "Linux" https://www.xda-developers.com/does-lenovo-thinkpad-x1-yoga-gen-7-run-linux/ [23:42] TR Bot Does the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Yoga Gen 7 run Linux? [23:42] matey theo de raadt has gotten shit for using the fact that openbsd is canadian to be lax about export restrictions that dont exist in canada :) [23:42] matey i think they overplay (or fabricate) (his opponents i mean) any non-compliance [23:42] matey but even if they dont... [23:42] matey thats great. perhaps suicidal, but great. [23:43] Ariadne are you implying the FSF should move to canada? [23:43] matey not at all [23:43] matey i was hoping it was clear that id settle for their compliance [23:43] TR News "[Free Software]UKs second State of [Free Software] survey is now live and runs until midnight BST on June 12, 2022." https://www.fosslife.org/take-2022-state-open-survey-openuk openwashing agenda, but focus on Free software instead [23:43] TR Bot Take the 2022 State of Open Survey from OpenUK [23:43] matey if they even bothered to complain about it while complying [23:43] matey but theyre so fucking neutral now [23:43] matey so conservative, in the sit on your arse and do nothing context of the word [23:43] matey wait and see [23:43] TR News "Chatwoot is an open-source, self-hosted customer engagement suite. Chatwoot lets you view and manage your customer data, communicate with them irrespective of which medium they use, and re-engage them based on their profile." https://medevel.com/chatwoot/ [23:43] TR Bot Chatwoot is an open-source self-hosted custom support system [23:44] matey wait for what? for fish to grow legs and walk and talk? [23:44] matey its pathetic. all they do is wait and see [23:44] matey theyre going to wait and see all the way to bankruptcy [23:44] icu https://venturebeat.com/2022/05/13/how-much-will-it-cost-to-secure-open-source-software-openssf-says-147-9m/ [23:44] TR Bot much will it cost to secure open-source software? OpenSSF says $147.9M | VentureBeat [23:45] matey wrong question [23:45] schestowitz-TR worse: openbsd compromised its own funding [23:45] matey how much would it take for windows and apple to GAIN the [23:45] schestowitz-TR by speaking out against war [23:45] icu 147.9M vs 44 billions for twitter LOL [23:45] schestowitz-TR or militarism [23:45] matey worse: openbsd compromised its own funding <- oh bollox [23:45] schestowitz-TR which probably helped the project on the PR side [23:45] matey same amount fsf took from google [23:45] SomeH4x0r I can't access it because clown [23:45] matey yes, everyone knows how good their pr is [23:45] schestowitz-TR this is DARPA [23:45] schestowitz-TR not Gulag [23:45] SomeH4x0r so I guess I won't see what it is [23:45] matey if you bothered with history [23:45] matey bsd came from unix. [23:46] matey so the point where thompson worked on bsd himself [23:46] Ariadne i think 147.9m is an absurd proposal tbh [23:46] matey netbsd came from bsd [23:46] Ariadne there should just be no-strings-attached government grants for writing FOSS [23:46] matey theo de raadt was a founder of netbsd [23:46] matey openbsd is a direct fork of bsd [23:46] schestowitz-TR Ariadne: maybe they assume all volunteers get paid like Zemlin [23:46] matey so openbsd, if you knew history [23:46] matey NEVER CAVED TO DOD [23:46] matey they INHERITED the dod [23:46] Ariadne schestowitz-TR: i wish i got paid like zemlin [23:46] schestowitz-TR so 150 volunteers working for one year... [23:46] schestowitz-TR 150 million [23:46] matey from the 1970s [23:47] Ariadne instead we decided employees would be nice [23:47] matey blame the cold war, it was before openbsd existed [23:47] TR News Julius is a lightweight open-source Speech Recognition Engine https://medevel.com/julius-speech/ [23:47] TR Bot Julius is a lightweight open-source Speech Recognition Engine [23:47] matey if any of this was in an honest context [23:47] schestowitz-TR I'm also sure that like Mitchell Bankler, Jim Zemlin is sure he's worth every penny [23:47] schestowitz-TR *Banker [23:48] matey it would be pointed out (again) that theos big anti-military-industrial-complex mouth LOST him funding [23:48] matey and thats such a stallman-like thing to do [23:48] matey hes NOT stallman [23:48] Ariadne matey: yes i like theo for this [23:48] matey he would hate the thought [23:48] matey but you know, integrity is a wonderful thing [23:48] matey and de raadt has it [23:48] matey the only time i ever hated him, years ago [23:48] schestowitz-TR theo earned trust over that [23:48] schestowitz-TR even if darpa canned him [23:49] matey theo earns trust for a LOT of things [23:49] schestowitz-TR which likely made darpa look bad [23:49] matey his biggest crime ever was dissing rms [23:49] schestowitz-TR and darpa is the "nice" face of the military [23:49] matey and when you learn the other side of the story [23:49] Ariadne matey: "crime" [23:49] schestowitz-TR like inqtel for cia [23:49] matey his diss of rms wasnt entirely unfair [23:49] matey it was reactionary, but sort of fair. [23:49] Ariadne RMS showed up on openbsd-misc crying like a bitch [23:49] matey well rms was unfair [23:49] matey and he has been unfair to bsd ever since [23:49] matey holding it to a higher standard than [23:50] matey this leaves people like theo to point out the hypocrisy [23:50] schestowitz-TR that was aged ago [23:50] matey and thats fair game [23:50] Ariadne its because bsd and linux actually shipped useful distributions, while his baby HURD is still vaporware [23:50] schestowitz-TR and rms had given him an award [23:50] matey it WAS ages ago [23:50] schestowitz-TR *ages [23:50] matey and its the only thing i ever hated theo de raadt for [23:50] matey and when i learned the other side of the story i felt a bit silly for it [23:50] matey because i probably would have learned a lot more about openbsd sooner otherwise [23:50] matey instead, i was led to it by hyperbola [23:50] matey you know, that fsf-approved distro. [23:51] matey hyperbola rekindled my interest in openbsd [23:51] matey it pointed the way [23:51] matey thats where i got it from [23:51] matey and you know, if hyperbola does nothing else (which seems possible) [23:51] matey thats still something [23:52] TR News "Some of you may have noticed, and in fact contacted me about this, that occasionally, Dedoimedo is not available. Specifically, when you try to access the site, you get an SSL certificate warning from your browser." The 'SSL pyramid scheme' has potential for so much censorship, too https://www.dedoimedo.com/index.html [23:52] TR Bot - A Place to Learn a Lot About a Lot [23:52] matey technically hyperbola is not a fork of openbsd but a fork of a fork [23:52] matey but really i suppose its both [23:52] matey its a fork of librebsd, which is a fork of openbsd [23:52] matey librebsd is defunct [23:52] matey as far as i know [23:53] schestowitz-TR libressl too [23:53] schestowitz-TR lack of maintainers this year, iirc [23:53] matey is it? [23:53] schestowitz-TR check the Web [23:53] schestowitz-TR there was a blurb about it months ago [23:53] matey im more than a little sceptical [23:53] schestowitz-TR formal blurb [23:53] matey what is openbsd using for ssl then [23:53] schestowitz-TR we put that in Daily Links [23:54] schestowitz-TR maybe it was the mailing lists [23:54] matey it sounds like bs to me [23:54] schestowitz-TR maybe lwn [23:54] matey at best a misunderstanding [23:54] matey more likely fud [23:54] matey i dont care, i know openbsd will use a sane option for ssl [23:54] schestowitz https://lwn.net/Articles/841664/ [23:54] TR Bot languishes on Linux [LWN.net] [23:54] matey but i doubt theyre just going to let openssl rot [23:54] schestowitz https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-01-05-libressl-support-discontinued.html [23:54] TR Bot LibreSSL support discontinued Gentoo Linux [23:54] matey i mean libressl [23:54] schestowitz 2021 [23:54] schestowitz this is old [23:54] matey and probably not accurate [23:55] schestowitz https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmemes/comments/rfd77v/friendship_ended_with_libressl/ [23:55] TR Bot Friendship ended with LibreSSL : linuxmemes [23:55] schestowitz https://www.hyperbola.info/news/end-of-openssl-support/ [23:55] TR Bot Hyperbola - News: End of OpenSSL support [23:55] matey ill look at that one [23:55] schestowitz 2018 [23:55] schestowitz "As LibreSSL follows the same goals than our packaging guidelines in stability and security concerns, we have decided to remove OpenSSL and use LibreSSL as our default provider of Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) and Transport Layer Security (TLS) protocols. The decision means that the Milky Way v0.2 will be the last version supporting OpenSSL." [23:55] schestowitz-TR in 2022 there was an update [23:56] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/04/25/libressl-3-5-2/ [23:56] TR Bot Links 25/04/2022: LibreSSL 3.5.2 and More Twitter Controversies | Techrights [23:56] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/03/19/tor-browser-11-0-9/ [23:56] TR Bot Links 19/3/2022: Tor Browser 11.0.9 and LibreSSL 3.5.1/3.4.3/3.3.6 | Techrights [23:56] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/03/02/libressl-3-5-0/ [23:56] TR Bot Links 2/3/2022: Arti 0.1.0 and LibreSSL 3.5.0 | Techrights [23:57] matey in 2022 there was an update <- cant seem to find this [23:57] matey have barely looked though [23:57] schestowitz-TR me neither, still looking [23:57] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:57] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:57] matey i mean openbsd doesnt hinge on libressl [23:57] schestowitz-TR let me grep Daily Links files [23:57] matey they will use what they have to [23:57] matey but i doubt they would let libressl die [23:58] matey they really dont like subpar shit, and openssl is shit by their standards afaik [23:58] matey til grapheneos uses openbsd malloc [23:58] matey i dont think openbsd is the most important os that will ever exist [23:59] matey i think its important right now, maybe for a long time [23:59] matey some stability in a sea of unstable shit [23:59] matey when linux gets rust, theo will laugh [23:59] matey openbsd: the forkable operating system that doesnt suck [23:59] matey its all relative. gnu/linux just gets easier and easier to compare with as the standards get lower