●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, June 13, 2021 ●● ● Jun 13 [00:02] kingoffrance thus, medium may be enough to push something over the edge (in their eyes) regardless of content, etc. [00:02] kingoffrance i already see "but we arent restricting speech, because you have non-rpg mediums" [00:05] kingoffrance maybe the irony "freedom of speech doesnt mean a guaranteed platform/listener" .....in this case thats what they want, to be a guaranteed listener :) [00:05] BaronVladimirHar The case isn't exactly how you write it down. [00:06] BaronVladimirHar You can write a literary description of how to implement it that's good enough for someone else to write the program. [00:06] BaronVladimirHar Then it's protected speech. [00:06] kingoffrance you mean so just printed code may not qualify ? [00:07] BaronVladimirHar The government's crypto export ban said you couldn't give someone a program, and so it was legally dangerous to give them source code or an executable. [00:07] BaronVladimirHar But what a lot of companies did was they put an "export" version with weak crypto on their server and then a strong one that said "Okay now, nobody outside the US can use this!". [00:07] BaronVladimirHar And then they did anyway. [00:07] kingoffrance yeah [00:08] kingoffrance freebsd ports is literred with options for such things about which licenses you accept etc. [00:08] BaronVladimirHar Windows 98 came with IE 4 with weak crypto even in the US. [00:08] BaronVladimirHar If you went to the IE about section, it said "56-bit SSL" or something. [00:08] samiamsam psydroid: lineageos is very nice tho [00:08] BaronVladimirHar You could download a patch to make it 128-bit. [00:09] samiamsam but unfortunately not portable enough to run on arbitrary phone [00:09] psydroid samiamsam, I know, I have it installed on one of my old phones [00:10] samiamsam ubuntu touch is even worse on portability, but i have purchased some phones it recommends. haven't installed it yet tho. [00:10] BaronVladimirHar Everything Microsoft makes is a Rube Goldberg piece of shit with lousy security, and they mostly get away with it because of nasty lawyers and bribes to officials. [00:10] psydroid but it's not supported anymore on that device so something that is completely free would still be better [00:10] BaronVladimirHar The technical bit of the why is legacy compatibility. People used to use their stuff and there's a lot of programs for it now. [00:11] psydroid I never get the application argument [00:11] samiamsam psydroid: well nothing else is going to get enough developer effort into porting to individual android devices every single one of which requires a separate kernel maintenance project [00:12] samiamsam this situation is why lineageos only supports newest phones, & so applies only more to other alternatives [00:14] techrights-bot #IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152232 #GNU #Linux [00:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:14] techrights-bot #ProprietarySoftware and #Openwashing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152231 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and Openwashing | Tux Machines [00:18] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152233 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [00:18] techrights-bot Links 13/6/2021: #KDE Frameworks 5.83.0 and #helloSystem 0.5 http://techrights.org/2021/06/12/kde-frameworks-5-83-0/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/12/kde-frameworks-5-83-0/ [00:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 13/6/2021: KDE Frameworks 5.83.0 and helloSystem 0.5 | Techrights [00:19] *phebus has quit (Quit: POKE 1,0) [00:21] techrights-bot Easily Toggle Dark / Light Mode in Ubuntu 20.04, 21.04 via This Extension | UbuntuHandbook https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/06/toggle-dark-light-mode-ubuntu-extension/ #UbuntuHandbook #FreeSW #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/13/#latest [00:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuhandbook.org | Easily Toggle Dark / Light Mode in Ubuntu 20.04, 21.04 via This Extension | UbuntuHandbook [00:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [00:24] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/funny-pictures-5-6-21-3.jpg [00:24] techrights-bot All yaf-splash replaced with gtkdialog-splash https://bkhome.org/news/202106/all-yaf-splash-replaced-with-gtkdialog-splash.html #puppylinux #gnu #linux [00:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | All yaf-splash replaced with gtkdialog-splash [00:27] techrights-bot Farmers struggle to break into booming carbon-credit market https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/farmers-struggle-break-into-booming-carbon-credit-market-2021-04-28/ [00:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Farmers struggle to break into booming carbon-credit market | Reuters [00:28] techrights-bot "Al Gore for Climate Change. Barack Obama for Peace. Bill Gates for what? So many options. Philandering." -Ryan at #techrights [00:29] techrights-bot "Bill Gates has hoarded $144 billion and tripled his money since he started "giving it away". He wasn't even honest to his wife and he barely even showed up at Microsoft, which was paying him, where everyone knew he was spending the whole day off cheating on his wife. That's before Epstein and the whole absentee landlord of farming and the medicine patent harm." -Ryan at #techrights [00:30] techrights-bot Sociopath, criminal, and enabler of sex trafficking by Epstein https://m.businesstoday.in/lite/story/how-bill-gates-used-to-vanish-from-work-to-meet-women-secretly/1/441355.html [00:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-m.businesstoday.in | Bill Gates used to vanish from work to meet women secretly, says report [00:31] techrights-bot When the land is sold to criminals https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/mcdonald-s-french-fries-carrots-onions-all-foods-come-bill-n1270033 [00:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | McDonald's french fries, carrots, onions: all of the foods that come from Bill Gates farmland [00:31] techrights-bot Six Flags Great America Settling Lawsuit Over #Fingerprints for $36M https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/six-flags-great-america-settling-lawsuit-over-fingerprints-for-36m/2530935/ [00:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcchicago.com | Six Flags Great America Settling Lawsuit Over Fingerprints for $36M NBC Chicago [00:33] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] schestowitz: pretty typical of this type of management structure. The opposition must be eradicated at all costs. [00:34] techrights-bot Exploting #covid19 for #warOnCash and war on #privacy https://apnews.com/article/europe-health-coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-travel-73f90d18909c595da463994e16e17348 [00:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apnews.com | EU plans digital ID wallet for bloc's post-pandemic life [00:36] techrights-bot Only after they infected #mozilla #firefox with this same 'bug' https://www.osnews.com/story/133550/google-ends-its-attack-on-the-url-bar-resumes-showing-full-address-in-chrome/ [00:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google ends its attack on the URL bar, resumes showing full address in Chrome OSnews [00:37] techrights-bot #clowncomputing https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/09/fastly_explains_web_blackout/ [00:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Fastly 'fesses up to breaking the internet with an 'an undiscovered software bug' triggered by a customer The Register [00:38] techrights-bot #microsoft #windows #ProprietarySoftware #junk https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-pushes-windows-10-kb4023057-again-to-fix-update-issues/ [00:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Microsoft pushes Windows 10 KB4023057 again to fix update issues [00:38] techrights-bot #Stphane Graber: Inexpensive highly available LXD cluster: 6 months later http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152234 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stphane Graber: Inexpensive highly available LXD cluster: 6 months later | Tux Machines [00:40] techrights-bot The #FBI 's Anom Stunt Rattles the Encryption Debate https://www.wired.com/story/fbi-anom-phone-network-encryption-debate [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The FBI's Anom Stunt Rattles the Encryption Debate | WIRED [00:43] techrights-bot #ibm #layoffs 12 hours ago: "Worst newer ever. Why would you want to work? Id buy Amazon and Google stock from the start and sell and retire" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bcHegfR#replies [00:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | If you can go back in time - post regarding IBM layoffs [00:44] techrights-bot Lots of gold in this thread about collapse of #ibm https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bfkVTnV#replies [00:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | looks like some in IBM are doing very well - post regarding IBM layoffs [00:45] techrights-bot "IBMs plan is for Power to focus on 980s, Z & Storage chip sets, and AI optimization. #IBM labs will pick up most of the design and futures. Everything else will go. #Kyndryl will pick up channel sales and TSS." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1beUeseK#replies [00:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | When will next RA in System BU's Power Line - post regarding IBM layoffs [00:45] techrights-bot "This is the game plan that [ #IBM CEO] AK and the bean counters have put together. Its financial engineering 101. Load up #Kyndryl with the goodwill and dump it out of Hybrid IBM. Kyndryls future is a financial position slightly above junk status." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1biByoMH#replies [00:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Is there any new information about IBM selling Watson Health? - post regarding IBM layoffs [00:46] techrights-bot "This kinda plays into IBMs previous actions IBM sold 1/2 of the facility to Hitachi 15 years ago. IBM then downsized and sold 80% of the remaining property to the city and a developer. #IBM then renegotiated the leases and dropped down from 33 buildings to 9. Now its time to say goodbye." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bjAyMqh#replies [00:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Pulling the Plug on Med City - post regarding IBM layoffs [00:47] techrights-bot "And Whitehurst is on record for wanting HQ to be there. Wonder if AK owns property in the Triangle" #ibm #redhat #AllowHurst https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bjAyMqh#replies [00:48] techrights-bot "Mandatory co-location is a local decision." #ibm driving away staff (e.g. offers of early departure, pissing off workers) to lessen how many layoffs it reports https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bh52BMX#replies [00:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | September 7th 2021 - IBM workers are returning to the office - post regarding IBM layoffs [00:49] techrights-bot " #ibm pays lowest in tech i agree with other commentor , just look outside.Even if they give a raise it's peanuts like 2%, 3% etc. My rent increases more than that even during pandemic" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bgZ1XHP#replies [00:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Instead of raise, you can only get an excuse - post regarding IBM layoffs [00:49] techrights-bot Hours ago on #ibm crisis: "HR here is toxic about any conversation regarding raises or compensation. I've been called "entitled" because my pay was significantly less than market. The promotion raise was still not enough despite my high performance and manager vouching for me. I am glad I left" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bgZ1XHP#replies [00:50] *xvx has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [00:50] techrights-bot "Unfortunately, if the cost of living goes up, but salaries do not... then the game the Fed plays to keep inflation up... does the job it's intended to do... give a house edge to the sell side. In days gone by a thing called "cost of living allowance" or similar was a real thing." #ibm https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bgZ1XHP#replies [00:51] techrights-bot "3 years ago one rep on our team received a hand signed letter via Fedex from Ginni congratulating him on 9 consecutive years of 100% Club and her personal challenge to achieve 10 years. That afternoon our manager RAd him. No joke" #ibm #crisis https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bjfb0lj#replies [00:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Best of IBM - post regarding IBM layoffs ● Jun 13 [01:09] BaronVladimirHar 268 cases of COVID in Illinois today. [01:09] BaronVladimirHar Not too bad. [01:10] schestowitz how much testing though? [01:10] schestowitz we test about a million a day [01:10] schestowitz I noticed that some big countries only test like tens of thousands per day [01:15] BaronVladimirHar 3% positivity so if the 7 day average in cases was 381, then that means about 12,700 tests per day in the state over the last week? [01:15] BaronVladimirHar Obviously the story about the flu going away is bullshit. [01:15] BaronVladimirHar Those flu quick tests are pretty bad, btw. [01:17] BaronVladimirHar At one point they were admitting that lots of people were getting COVID and didn't even notice and ask for a test. [01:17] BaronVladimirHar But they stopped talking about that. [01:18] BaronVladimirHar There's no symptoms! "THAT'S ONE OF THE SYMPTOMS!" [01:18] BaronVladimirHar Fauci: Wear a mask. Fauci's leaked email: Masks are ridiculous. Do you people even know how small these germs are? [01:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.71 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 53.01 swarm size (avg): 243.93 [01:21] *rbraun has quit (K-Lined) [01:26] BaronVladimirHar https://www.npr.org/2021/06/10/1004806688/inflation-is-surging-the-price-of-a-toyota-pickup-truck-helps-explain-why [01:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | How The Price Of A Toyota Truck Helps Explain Surging Inflation : NPR [01:27] BaronVladimirHar schestowitz: Another reason why I just keep repairing thing after thing on the Impala. [01:27] BaronVladimirHar Until we're out of this used car bubble, I'm not even going to think about trading up unless I have to. [01:27] schestowitz [01:21] <-- rbraun (vaF3IrtE@gateway/shell/club.cc.cmu.edu/x-mbgbjftlzntyfool) has left this server (K-Lined). [01:27] schestowitz klined?! [01:28] BaronVladimirHar This is the worst I've seen it since 2013, and even that was pretty bad. I put a car up for sale for three times what I thought it was actually worth and got it. [01:28] schestowitz wth is going on? [01:28] schestowitz freenode is cutting its own throat [01:28] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Nothing can surprise me at this point. [01:28] MinceR looks like it [01:29] BaronVladimirHar What did they do that for? [01:30] BaronVladimirHar You know freenode here for user. Why make freenode hurt you? [01:30] *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz [01:30] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Me not understand what ye say [01:31] *schestowitz has changed the topic to: Techrights.org IRC discussions @ Freenode | Channel #techrights for http://techrights.org [logged online] :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell for related discussions. Official channels are at irc.techrights.org [01:31] BaronVladimirHar schestowitzis on Matrix now? [01:31] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] no, I am not [01:31] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I never used matrix [01:31] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] we experimented with it for work [01:32] BaronVladimirHar Must be the way this thing is displaying your activity to me. [01:32] BaronVladimirHar It's getting really fucking crazy in here with the bridges. [01:32] MinceR there was a bridge with an [m] at the end, possibly to matrix, but it left [01:32] BaronVladimirHar Matrix, Libera, Freenode, and now your server. [01:33] MinceR "now"? the first thing this channel was bridged to was the techrights network :> [01:33] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Oh, I just registered an account, look at the situation and decided to can it for now. [01:33] MinceR ic [01:33] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] * looked [01:35] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Matrix wants to make something called communities or something, and maybe a good idea would be to collect all the techrights rooms into that. [01:35] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] but who's going to moderate all that? [01:35] MinceR they should hurry up with their p2p effort [01:35] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] Matrix isn't about communities [01:35] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] DaemonFC? [01:35] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [01:35] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [01:36] CrystalMath we don't know why rbraun was k-lined [01:36] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Please register on Libera. [01:36] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] no [01:36] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I am not interested in ANOTHER master [01:36] CrystalMath +1 [01:36] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] one is already too much [01:36] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: How the heck are we supposed to bridge Matrix? [01:36] CrystalMath better don't [01:37] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I will discuss with RMS making their own IRC network [01:37] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] he takes days to reply [01:37] CrystalMath but i think you may have been right yet again schestowitz, having your own IRC network is pretty good [01:38] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Looks like your presence will go down with freenode. [01:38] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Consider biboumi, there are some public servers of it. [01:38] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] CrystalMath: it wasn't an impulsive overnight decision, we actually debated it about 3 times last year [01:38] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] BaronVladimirHar why not get a real IRC client? [01:40] BaronVladimirHar Trannies with a Mod Complex [01:40] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] though who cares, he's probably going to get banned again [01:41] BaronVladimirHar Sorry I was late. Tranny problems. [01:41] MinceR i see what you did there [01:41] CrystalMath transmission problems? [01:41] CrystalMath heh, yeah [01:41] BaronVladimirHar The lead developer of Matrix (I think). Matthew, apparently. [01:42] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] ara4n? [01:44] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [01:44] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Will ye move the bots? [01:46] BaronVladimirHar I piss people off. I don't know why they say I hate them or I'm afraid of them. I'm not, at least not because of whatever reason they invented in their head. I'm utterly repulsed by drama bombs. And with trans people, there appear to be a great many of those. [01:46] CrystalMath schestowitz: don't you think you're jumping to conclusions a bit? [01:46] BaronVladimirHar To be fair, there's plenty of gay people like that. [01:47] BaronVladimirHar But saying I hate gay people because there's a lot of drama queens is like saying I'm homophobic because I think Matthew Garrett is a despicable drama queen. [01:48] BaronVladimirHar What they need to get over, other than themselves, is victim mentality where they're always looking to be insulted so that they can take the chance to gain spotlight by screaming about it. [01:48] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [01:49] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: With Libera.Chat ye are sure more than happy to jump into conclusions first [01:49] BaronVladimirHar Garrett is currently playing victim advocate on Shitter again. [01:49] CrystalMath i've had years to meet those people [01:50] BaronVladimirHar Claiming that someone got hired beneath her skills because she's a woman. [01:50] BaronVladimirHar Lots of people are hired beneath their skills and have to work for someone that knows a lot less than they do, and NEVER get a promotion at all. [01:50] CrystalMath XRevan86: i will never connect there, the only chance i might reconsider is if Fuchs is removed permanently [01:50] BaronVladimirHar They're not all women. [01:51] CrystalMath XRevan86: but they would honestly need to change their policies as wel [01:51] BaronVladimirHar In fact, I'd say that I was smarter than at least the next two levels up in almost every job. [01:51] BaronVladimirHar Einstein worked as a patent office clerk. [01:51] CrystalMath XRevan86: to support free speech, all kinds of right-wing opinions, and ban Fuchs from ever holding a staff position [01:51] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: It's better to k-line without a policy [01:51] BaronVladimirHar I mean, you run into college graduates working at Taco Bell. [01:52] BaronVladimirHar It usually means they studied psychology or something. [01:52] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: if i look at the list of illibera staff currently online and find jose, amdj and nhandler on it, is that "jumping to conclusions"? [01:52] BaronVladimirHar But just because a person makes a little over minimum wage doesn't even mean they're stupid. Their boss is probably in high school. Life's shit sometimes, isn't it? [01:53] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I haven't heard of them abusing their op. Isn't that "cancel culture" to try to cancel them? [01:54] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] no, the cancel culture is what those people have done [01:54] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] and their signatures are still there for everyone to see [01:54] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i'm not the one who publicized their stance as being against software freedom. they did that themselves. [01:54] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Hasn't anyone bothered to dig into their reasons behind that? I certainly haven't. [01:55] BaronVladimirHar https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1402885119161995264 [01:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mjg59: It really shouldn't need pointing out that the way to win hearts and minds isn't to fork code under a permissive li https://t.co/OxGrKktPLv [01:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mjg59: It really shouldn't need pointing out that the way to win hearts and minds isn't to fork code under a permissive li https://t.co/OxGrKktPLv [01:55] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] don't give trolls traffic. [01:55] BaronVladimirHar Garrett bashing the GPL again. schestowitz threatening to mute me because Garrett is Shitter Raging. [01:55] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: you mean, ask them for lies to try and cover up the fact that they're supporting a corporate conspiracy to destroy free software? [01:56] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] after those corporations have already succeeded in taking over gnome and Linux? [01:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] MinceR: we really should become more self-governing [01:56] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] indeed [01:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] and stuff worrying about their BS [01:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I'd rather deal with a friend [01:56] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] the FSF has entered the death spiral already [01:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] than some strangers who claim to support "Open SOurce" [01:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] while shouting at the FSF, "cancel your founder" [01:56] BaronVladimirHar I wonder if he's given up on the Subaru. [01:57] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] MinceR: years ago, maybe... [01:57] BaronVladimirHar I was looking at used cars. I think the sweet spot is maybe a 2010-2014 Toyota. [01:57] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] they're a "big target" [01:57] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] so I can empathise [01:57] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I am not smart enough to draw conclusions of that scale. [01:57] BaronVladimirHar I'll probably go for that next time. It doesn't have that "smart" shit on it that's obsolete 20% of the way into the payments. [01:57] BaronVladimirHar :) [01:57] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] they still stand for some important things, inc. privacy and copyleft [01:58] BaronVladimirHar Garret is not nearly as bright as he thinks he is or he'd just use a simple car that's cheap as hell to repair even if it isn't terribly reliable. [01:58] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] bbiab [01:59] BaronVladimirHar He's basically maybe one notch above treknobabble. ● Jun 13 [02:00] BaronVladimirHar The NSA and Microsoft probably did slip him that EFI crap. [02:00] MinceR he seems to believe in EFI [02:00] BaronVladimirHar Nobody outside Subaru understands what the hell the computer in his car is up to. [02:00] BaronVladimirHar And nobody ever will. [02:00] MinceR maybe another successful application of the idiotic dichotomy fallacy [02:01] BaronVladimirHar It took a long time to detect Diesel Cheat VWs and that could be measured at the tailpipe to prove it was lying. [02:01] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [02:02] kingoffrance i firmly believe idiotic dichotomy fallacy is the #1 problem plaguing humanity in all areas of life [02:02] BaronVladimirHar The only thing it did to cover its tracks was lie under conditions where it was likely in a testing bay or the engine wasn't being asked to do too much. [02:02] MinceR (MBR has a limit to how big the device it can work on it and EFI is not MBR, therefore EFI is automatically our savior -- ignoring that EFI has much more serious issues and that there are other options) [02:02] BaronVladimirHar The way they got caught was someone tested the tailpipe emissions under load, which no state does, and which is why VW never figured they would be caught. [02:03] MinceR (or perhaps it's because he really believes that vendor lock-in is a security feature) [02:03] BaronVladimirHar Their software was to fool the government, not to fool a university that went on an actual drive and made measurements. [02:03] CrystalMath MinceR: honestly i've never even used 200 GB total in my life [02:03] CrystalMath 1 TB is like.. insane [02:04] BaronVladimirHar MBR style partitions. There's nothing truly awful about them. 1. BIOS could have been updated to deal with GPT partition tables, but wasn't. 2. You can make a small BIOS BOOT partition and then make your main partitions GPT and make as many as you want. [02:04] MinceR i only have 1 device that is 1TB or larger installed inside a computer [02:04] BaronVladimirHar The BIOS doesn't know or care about them. It boots the bootloader, which knows what they are, which calls the OS that also knows what they are. [02:05] MinceR i think GPT can burn in hell too, as it came with UEFI [02:05] MinceR and yeah, you can just have a small boot partition and it doesn't even have to be FAT [02:05] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] What are ye people are even talking about [02:05] MinceR it can actually be a filesystem designed by people who knew what they were doing [02:05] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Why would a BIOS need to know about partitions. [02:05] BaronVladimirHar BIOS BOOT could be any file system that GRUB has a driver for. [02:06] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: presumably the boot record would need to use BIOS routines to talk to the drive to load whatever it wants to boot [02:06] BaronVladimirHar Maybe not BtrFS because I don't know that you even could make a volume that was only 1-2 MB. [02:06] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: And that's what the first 446 bytes are for? [02:06] MinceR something like that [02:07] MinceR i mean, you stick what you can in those bytes [02:07] MinceR which in the case of something as powerful as grub would be whatever can load the next stage(s) [02:07] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] And what ye cannot goes into a 2M GRUB boot partition [02:08] MinceR or in the first 1M or so, before the first partition [02:08] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Using GPT with MBR booting is not a problem. [02:08] MinceR or it could use a partition for that [02:08] MinceR well yeah, my problem with GPT is that i didn't ask for that package [02:08] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: It *does* use a partition for that. [02:08] BaronVladimirHar BIOS Boot is the spec I used on a 4 TB hard drive.on my Phenom II system. [02:09] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] GPT has simple benefits over MBR partitioning like no need for EBR and bigger maximum size. [02:09] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] extended boot has been pretty annoying [02:09] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] Micosoft boosters certainly LOVE hyping this up https://www.thurrott.com/forums/general-discussion/linux/thread/linux-system-service-bug-allows-you-to-gain-root-access-free [02:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.thurrott.com/forums/general-discussion/linux/thread/linux-system-service-bug-allows-you-to-gain-root-access-free ) [02:09] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] there are thousands of "LINUX" packages [02:10] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] many with bugs [02:10] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] local priv escalation isn't a big deal [02:10] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] but because a Microsoft employee brought this up [02:10] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] look how media reacts [02:10] MinceR incompetent media [02:11] MinceR they prance around as "IT journalism", but can't tell the difference between a kernel and polkit [02:11] kingoffrance yeah, but thats just saying its another IDF in action :) [02:11] kingoffrance speak of the devil [02:13] MinceR it doesn't really matter, does it? either way, they can't be relied upon for credible information [02:14] MinceR and then they can say "oh, but i said that because i'm a paid microsoft shill"/"oh, but i said that because i don't know the subject i'm writing about" and it doesn't matter what they say [02:15] BaronVladimirHar Mandy says that bitch that tried to get him to buy her vodka passed out today and they took her to the hospital in an ambulance and then the hospital released her. [02:16] BaronVladimirHar I said "Oh there went $20,000 for nothing.". [02:16] BaronVladimirHar He goes oh no, she had insurance. [02:16] BaronVladimirHar I said, "I'm sorry. There went $7,000 for nothing.". [02:17] BaronVladimirHar He's incredibly naive. He acts like I don't know what my own country is like. [02:18] BaronVladimirHar Congrats you could have had a nice car or you could have spent an hour in the ER so they can say we don't know, next. [02:18] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] how is this on topic? [02:18] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] anyway, this lapop is killing me, or killing time [02:18] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: How much is that in typical salaries? [02:19] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] it makes no sense at all, and the error messages it gives are worse than useless, alluding literally to a .c file [02:19] MinceR you can buy a nice car for $7000 over there? [02:19] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] That looks like a serious byte into one's whole life savings to me. [02:20] BaronVladimirHar Average WalMart worker makes about $40,000 in a year before tax. Maybe $28,000 after all the deductions and shit and then the government taxing you again when you spend it after taxing it like five times on your paycheck. [02:20] BaronVladimirHar And it was way less before the raises this year. [02:20] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] you can buy a nice car [cut] [02:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.75 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 85.88 swarm size (avg): 243.97 [02:21] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] fixed it for you. many cars now come with "computers" [02:21] MinceR well, i did buy a nice car, and it came with computers [02:21] MinceR but it sure as hell cost more than that [02:21] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] inflation probably means a car that lasts would be 15000 dollars and upwards [02:21] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Very strong. But still not strong enough. [02:22] BaronVladimirHar I just put another $700 into a 2003 Impala. [02:22] BaronVladimirHar It's actually not the biggest piece of shit I've ever had. [02:22] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: why nice car when lada for $200 drive from A to B fine [02:22] MinceR lol [02:23] MinceR because i prefer driving from A to B, not from A to the workshop and then back to A, and repeat [02:23] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] when it break, get new one [02:23] MinceR i also prefer not buying cars all the time, just as i prefer not having to take them to be serviced all the time [02:23] BaronVladimirHar The only reason I didn't lose my ass on that 1995 Ford Taurus was that I kept having it towed down to this old mechanic that had random people working on it for like $35 an hour. [02:24] BaronVladimirHar They just said bring them the parts. [02:24] BaronVladimirHar I had all kinds of problems but I just kept having the car parts place drop of radiators and hoses and an alternator and a water pump to replace the one that exploded all over my windshield. [02:24] BaronVladimirHar And a heater core. [02:25] BaronVladimirHar The oxygen sensors... [02:25] BaronVladimirHar I don't know what the hell the last owner did to that car, but they destroyed everything that coolant touches except the engine. [02:26] *tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] has made four contributions to Conversations touching the same exact bit of code for the past 2/3 of a year. I kept finding new things wrong with it. [02:26] BaronVladimirHar Oh yeah, someone wrecked it and managed to break nothing except the headlight mounting bracket and then put it back together with Bondo. [02:27] BaronVladimirHar So I had to have that replaced too. [02:27] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: sounds like a great product [02:27] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Until now when I found the ultimate wrongness, and I'm very happy now. [02:27] BaronVladimirHar Oh that car was evil. But still not the worst one I've had. [02:28] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: It's fine except for the database. [02:28] BaronVladimirHar That goes to a Chevy Corsica that threw the connecting rod at 115,114 miles. [02:28] CrystalMath +1 for the Lada [02:29] BaronVladimirHar Thankfully I uh, sold it to one of Gonad's relatives before the damned engine broke down for good. [02:29] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] I don't know anything about Java, but I know SQL and the basics of SQLite, and that allowed me to fix the performance issue that's been plaguing me for years. [02:30] BaronVladimirHar GM makes cars that are so bad that they're like exploding Soviet TV bad. [02:30] BaronVladimirHar Mom keeps biting. [02:30] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] And now it's not surprising to me that it's been getting worse as it's correlated with the database size. [02:31] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] A full table scan every time a message tuple is altered? It's more likely than ye think. [02:31] BaronVladimirHar And because we're totally not Communists, when GM failed the first time, they got a special bankruptcy law just for them, a massive government bailout, and all of the fucktards that managed it got to keep their jobs. [02:32] MinceR maybe stop buying GM cars, then [02:32] BaronVladimirHar I didn't. Mom does and then she can't figure out why it's always in the shop and they can't fix anything right. [02:32] MinceR lol [02:33] BaronVladimirHar Then she replaces a bunch of shit and hands it to me. [02:33] BaronVladimirHar Then I replace a bunch of shit and run it into the ground. [02:33] BaronVladimirHar To be fair a lot of this year was wear items that I have no idea how they lasted this long. [02:34] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] So of course my database is big enough and my device is weak enough to make the worst case scenario like an hour of message sending. When a database is so overworked with all the full table scans it's stuck. [02:34] BaronVladimirHar Factory struts with 275,000 miles that had gone through 19 years in the Midwest. [02:35] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Or it could hang and stop recording new messages, for the same reason. [02:35] BaronVladimirHar I had it propped back up on some quick struts. They're way better than broken struts. [02:35] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] All that has been fixed with the changes to the schema. [02:35] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Didn't even need to recompile the Java code. [02:35] BaronVladimirHar The factory ones were so gone that it was like a rusty pogo stick with a torn dust boot and springs that were half eaten away. [02:36] BaronVladimirHar It had started to make this popcorn popping noise. [02:36] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-120621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-120621.txt Read the log now... [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Saturday, June 12, 2021 [02:37] BaronVladimirHar If Garrett was a hacker or at least any kind of decent hipster, he'd just do what I do. [02:37] BaronVladimirHar Struts give out, prop the car back up on quick struts. E-Brake fails? Rip it out and toss it in the trash. [02:37] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Hack lada to best lada lada can be [02:37] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-120621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-120621.txt Read the log now... [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, June 12, 2021 [02:37] MinceR use mom's shitty GM car? :> [02:37] BaronVladimirHar Instead he gets murdered on depreciation and then bitches about proprietary data links. [02:38] MinceR best lada hack: sell it and buy a real car instead :> [02:38] BaronVladimirHar Oh MinceR MinceR MinceR MinceR [02:38] BaronVladimirHar You're always paying for it. The only difference is that the mechanic's price is on the wall. [02:38] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-120621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-120621.txt Read the log now... [02:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Saturday, June 12, 2021 [02:39] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: ye no fun, ye probably saw real lada [02:39] BaronVladimirHar Buying a new car is like "Hey dealer. Make this $40,000 car $60,000 by the time we get out of the finance room somehow, and then in 5 years with interest payments I'll only be able to sell it for $10,000!". [02:39] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. 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[02:42] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-06-12.txt [02:42] BaronVladimirHar The Trabant, I think. [02:42] BaronVladimirHar After the fall of Communism, many people just abandoned them in the street. [02:42] MinceR there were many terrible cars in the eastern bloc [02:43] MinceR with stalinism, most technological development pretty much stopped [02:43] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] The old school lada's are still roaming the streets [02:43] BaronVladimirHar That's pretty much how GM got here. That's why they were fighting the fuel economy mandates. [02:43] MinceR and yet, our icarus buses are still better than the mercedes-benz ones [02:44] BaronVladimirHar They wanted to keep selling high margin gas guzzlers. [02:44] MinceR because the icarus buses have suspensions, with springs and maybe even shock absorbers [02:44] BaronVladimirHar That's not going to be real popular with gas at an 8 year high. [02:44] MinceR though some of the roads in budapest are so terrible even those can't deal with them well [02:44] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: People resent the Icarus's here [02:44] MinceR i resented them too [02:45] BaronVladimirHar The roads in Waukegan, Illinois are so bad I'm sure they finished off those struts on the front of my car. [02:45] MinceR until i got sick on one of the mercedes-benzes due to feeling every flaw in the road [02:45] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Know why? Ye can probably guess. [02:45] MinceR no, i can't [02:45] BaronVladimirHar Every time you get out there you're running over potholes and sewer grates that caved in sideways. [02:45] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Because they have no heating in the winter. [02:45] MinceR i see [02:46] MinceR maybe just not enough heating [02:46] BaronVladimirHar The city saves money by not fixing anything and then raises your taxes to cover pensions for the government people who aren't doing anything important. [02:46] BaronVladimirHar Sort of like the state of Illinois only it's the city. [02:46] MinceR i don't remember having such issues here, though i usually avoid buses anyway [02:48] BaronVladimirHar You want to know how stupid people are. [02:49] BaronVladimirHar There's a pay with GasBuddy Premium app where you can pay more than the largest possible gas discount is worth that month to get a gas discount. [02:50] BaronVladimirHar And then you sign up for it and in the fine print it says half the oil companies don't even let you pay with it. [02:50] BaronVladimirHar So you have no idea if it's going to work or not. [02:53] MinceR 13 023318 -!- rworkman [~rworkman@mirrors.slackware.com] has quit K-Lined [02:53] MinceR allegedly he hasn't even said anything in days [02:56] techrights-bot PCLinuxOS KDE updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152061#comment-29940 [02:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.22 Released. This is What's New | Tux Machines [02:57] techrights-bot #ThisWeekInLinux 155: KDE Plasma 5.22, Purism Librem 5, Vivaldi, Supreme Court Decision https://tuxdigital.com/2021/06/thisweekinlinux-155/ [02:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-155: KDE Plasma 5.22, Purism Librem 5, Vivaldi, Supreme Court Decision | This Week in Linux - TuxDigital ● Jun 13 [03:04] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152235 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [03:04] techrights-ipfs Gemini requests since start of month: 81283 total Total pages: 35845 Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 4 days ago [03:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [03:05] techrights-ipfs IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 1.9 GB TotalOut: 547 MB [03:05] techrights-ipfs New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:05] BaronVladimirHar MinceR: I've got an idea. Let's partner with a payment processor where people can link their bank and then sell people gas discounts that are worth $4 for $8 a month. [03:05] BaronVladimirHar Call it an app. Stuff it full of tracking libraries. [03:06] MinceR sounds dodgy [03:06] BaronVladimirHar Extremely. [03:06] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] MinceR: maybe new policy for k-line is "not active enough in freenode to be worth it" :-) [03:07] techrights-ipfs QmVUBLf9g24CeTFZPr1KCBQh3mA5e5VvjUSi5aU6aj3q9y [03:07] MinceR no idea [03:07] MinceR but it looks like the staff is supplying us with new information so it might get easier to figure out :> [03:10] BaronVladimirHar Maybe they're k-lining people for spamming Liberal Chat. [03:10] techrights-bot European #patents on #chemistry itself https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/european-patent-office-upholds-curadevs-cyclodextrin-patent-for-new-composition-of-matter-301308941.html https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1077890/chemical-patents-how-to-get-the-protection-you-want-in-europe-part-i-defining-the-invention [03:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | European Patent Office upholds Curadev's cyclodextrin patent for new composition of matter [03:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Chemical Patents How To Get The Protection You Want In Europe Part I: Defining The Invention - Intellectual Property - UK [03:10] BaronVladimirHar Speaking of which, I got an invite to the Libertarian Party state convention. [03:10] BaronVladimirHar I should run for office. [03:11] BaronVladimirHar I generally don't care what you do and no there probably shouldn't be a law. [03:14] techrights-bot "The #China National Intellectual Property Administration (CNIPA) and the European Patent Office (EPO) launched a two-year pilot on December 1, 2020" https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=389a6716-13eb-42e9-8a27-f1021b71a499 [03:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Discussion on the PCT ISA Pilot Launched by CNIPA and EPO - Lexology [03:15] techrights-bot Conveniently overlooks the fact that the #EPO Enlarged Board of Appeal is a rigged kangaroo court beholden to people who break the law and kidnap judges https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1077528/examination-of-clarity-of-amendments-in-epo-opposition-proceedings- [03:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Examination Of Clarity Of Amendments In EPO Opposition Proceedings - Intellectual Property - European Union [03:16] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: So the same bit of code got these contributions from me: 1. search didn't work in Android 5; 2. search was case-sensitive outside the ASCII range; 3. search was wasting space for redundant copies of messages; 4. the search implementation caused a full table scan condition even outside of searching. [03:16] techrights-bot Inexpensive highly available LXD cluster: 6 months later http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152234 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [03:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stphane Graber: Inexpensive highly available LXD cluster: 6 months later | Tux Machines [03:16] MinceR :> [03:17] CrystalMath +1 BaronVladimirHar [03:17] CrystalMath the libertarian party is the best [03:23] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.48 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 29.35 swarm size (avg): 244.02 [03:26] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I've just migrated all my tasks and workflows out of the problematic laptop [03:26] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] don't want to waste any more time on it [03:27] AdmFubar what issues was it giving you? [03:29] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] lost of connection, on and off [03:29] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] lately it was mostly off [03:29] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] *loss [03:29] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I tail -f 'messages' [03:29] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] the error message is cryptic, wifi.cc [03:30] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] i very much doubt it is the router's fault [03:31] AdmFubar newer wifi? or older? [03:32] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] now sure what that means [03:32] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] but that started happening a week or more ago [03:32] AdmFubar 2.4 or 5? [03:32] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] if it always fails, that's one thing [03:32] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] it also spews out many errors about thermal_zione0 [03:33] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] warnings rather [03:33] AdmFubar how old is the laptop? [03:33] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] so I would not rule out board issue, it's an ARM laptop, 2017 [03:34] AdmFubar ah probably a new wifi band then.. are you in the same room as the router? [03:34] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] https://e2e.ti.com/support/processors-group/processors/f/processors-forum/946455/am5728-no-processor-temperature-is-measurable [03:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-e2e.ti.com | AM5728: No processor temperature is measurable - Processors forum - Processors - TI E2E support forums [03:35] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] AdmFubar location does not matter, I didn't miss any possible location [03:35] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] so signal interference not likely [03:35] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] tried outdoors, near router etc. [03:36] AdmFubar how crowded is the wifi spectrum in your area? [03:44] *Disconnected (). 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Official channels are at irc.techrights.org [03:52] *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sun Jun 13 01:31:12 2021 [03:52] *schestowitz_log has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [03:53] *schestowitz__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [03:54] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [03:54] -NickServ-acer-box__!~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1 has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [03:54] *acer-box__ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [03:54] *libertybox (~schestowi@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [03:55] *wallacer (~quassel@2001:bc8:1824:9a:cafe:babe:b00b:aa04) has joined #techrights [03:55] *asusbox (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:fc0a:b394:3b3d:92ed) has joined #techrights [03:55] *rianne (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:fc0a:b394:3b3d:92ed) has joined #techrights [03:56] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [03:57] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [03:58] MinceR not sure if relevant, but when i had a dying 10BASE2 card, it would just drop some of the frames originally, then it would drop more and more until it reached 100% [03:59] MinceR maybe the wifi interface hardware is dying ● Jun 13 [04:02] AdmFubar could be dying... but I want to make sure everything else is looked at before giving up on it. [04:04] AdmFubar need to pester roy about his videos... ha has his back to a window that is very bright.. it really makes the video look bad.. [04:08] *techrights-bot (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c824:5389:820:fbe3) has joined #techrights [04:08] AdmFubar https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/10/2318224&from=rss [04:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | SK Hynix Admits to DRAM Defects, Calls the Cops - SoylentNews [04:10] MinceR lol [04:10] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [04:10] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [04:10] AdmFubar https://systemoverlord.com/2021/06/05/gpu-accelerated-password-cracking-in-the-cloud.html [04:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-systemoverlord.com | GPU Accelerated Password Cracking in the Cloud: Speed and Cost-Effectiveness System Overlord [04:12] AdmFubar did you see the story about MS pushing an update for windows to fix the issue of it not being able to update? [04:12] schestowitz OK, bringing services back up [04:12] schestowitz did a shuffle [04:12] schestowitz also needed to update dns for ipfs and gemini [04:12] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [04:13] schestowitz I've managed to rejoin that laptop to the network after all [04:13] schestowitz so much hassle [04:14] schestowitz I should really just move to openwrt one day [04:14] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [04:14] AdmFubar update to openwrt. I did that... much nicer. [04:15] AdmFubar https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/10/1949239&from=rss [04:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Google to Stop Treating EU Antitrust Remedy as a "Promotional Opportunity" - SoylentNews [04:18] AdmFubar https://linux.slashdot.org/story/21/06/12/174231/patch-released-for-7-year-old-privilege-escalation-bug-in-linux-service-polkit?utm_source=rss0.9mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed [04:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Patch Released for 7-Year-Old Privilege Escalation Bug In Linux Service Polkit - Slashdot [04:19] schestowitz MinceR/AdmFubar do me a favour.... [04:19] schestowitz I am looking at server side logs [04:19] schestowitz can you confirm that: [04:20] schestowitz 1. '"MinceR!mincer@unaffiliated/mincer PRIVMSG #techrights :not sure if relevant, but when i had a dying 10BASE2 card, it would just drop some of the frames originally, then it would drop more and more until it reached 100%" was the next message after ":AdmFubar!~mradmin@76-234-138-224.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #techrights :how crowded is the wifi spectrum in your area?" [04:20] schestowitz that's how the server logger saw it [04:21] schestowitz I had to do a major overhaul here, scanning channels, removing wifi password (the ISPs make that very hard because sharing is evil blah blah) [04:22] AdmFubar yeah [04:23] AdmFubar https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/06/09/1722208/facebook-says-it-will-expand-remote-work-to-all-employees-but-may-reduce-pay-if-they-move-to-less-expensive-area?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed [04:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.slashdot.org | Facebook Says It Will Expand Remote Work To All Employees, But May Reduce Pay If They Move To Less-Expensive Area - Slashdot [04:23] MinceR schestowitz: it was indeed that way [04:24] schestowitz thanks! [04:24] schestowitz I think we're back in full operation then [04:24] AdmFubar https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/06/11/1936229/new-york-senate-passes-landmark-right-to-repair-bill?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed [04:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.slashdot.org | New York Senate Passes Landmark Right To Repair Bill - Slashdot [04:24] BaronVladimirHar Dangerous too. [04:24] MinceR schestowitz: only a bunch of quits and joins in between [04:24] schestowitz I also made some improvements [04:24] BaronVladimirHar If someone gets on your wifi and starts bittorrenting or downloading CP, watch out. [04:24] schestowitz like more bash scripting to automate the posting to tuxmachines over diaspora [04:24] BaronVladimirHar That's why I really lock down my router. [04:24] schestowitz that's what the state says [04:25] schestowitz it's also a plausible defend, not that I need one [04:25] schestowitz they want collective accountability [04:25] schestowitz RMS too has long said not to fall for it [04:25] schestowitz very inlikely some pedo will park around the home, get close to the wall, just to connect to some open wifi in a home known to have it [04:26] schestowitz in the past the same ISPs made open wifi very simple to implement [04:26] schestowitz not they block that or hide away the option [04:26] BaronVladimirHar Yeah, they're probably like John. In the clear, on Windows 10, while working for the TSA. [04:26] schestowitz I managed to find a way around it [04:26] BaronVladimirHar Nothing happened nothing happened. [04:26] schestowitz John whose employer doesn't care [04:26] schestowitz Talisa? [04:26] BaronVladimirHar Huh? [04:27] schestowitz maybe I should do a video sometims about open wiifi [04:27] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: I forgot his surname [04:27] schestowitz reported him [04:27] BaronVladimirHar Salinas [04:27] schestowitz and they never even bothered replying [04:27] schestowitz maybe they did take some action, but kept me in the dark about it... [04:27] BaronVladimirHar He's not in prison. [04:27] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: still awaiting your request for court docs [04:27] BaronVladimirHar He just messaged Mandy on Facebook about the Kia. [04:28] schestowitz the public opinion on Bill Gates shifted a lot since last year [04:28] BaronVladimirHar He wants me to sign over the title fully to him. [04:28] schestowitz bbiab [04:28] BaronVladimirHar I think it's funnier to sit here and let the bankruptcy he forced me into cost him thousands more in car insurance. [04:28] schestowitz Just tested ny cron job for http://techrights.org/videos/ [04:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full Videos Index [04:28] schestowitz it now gets regenerated every night at 3:10am [04:28] schestowitz and it seems to work correctly [04:29] schestowitz unless there's server crash in that 0.01 second period when the index is redone [04:29] BaronVladimirHar My bankruptcy took out over $100,000 worth of debt, and cost John quite a bit of money too. [04:29] BaronVladimirHar MinceR: "Are you saying we just destroyed an Ori mothership, by blowing up a Wraith Hive Ship?" [04:31] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights [04:31] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 15.91 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 46.13 swarm size (avg): 244.02 [04:32] AdmFubar https://threatpost.com/darkside-pwned-colonial-with-old-vpn-password/166743/ [04:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DarkSide Pwned Colonial With Old VPN Password | Threatpost [04:32] BaronVladimirHar Oh good. Now Firefox has a bug where scrolling Reddit sometimes jumps back to the top of the page instead of scrolling down. [04:35] schestowitz reddit is the bigger bug [04:35] schestowitz in several senses of the word bug [04:37] AdmFubar https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kvkqb/how-ea-games-was-hacked-slack [04:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | How Hackers Used Slack to Break into EA Games [04:37] *schestowitz has quit (Read error: No route to host) [04:37] *schestowitz__ (~schestowi@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [04:37] -NickServ-schestowitz__!~schestowi@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [04:37] *schestowitz__ has quit (Changing host) [04:37] *schestowitz__ (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [04:38] AdmFubar uh oh! [04:38] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] what? my connection? No, it's OK. [04:38] AdmFubar :P [04:38] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I pressed the wrong button, sent my laptop to sleep [04:39] BaronVladimirHar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_version_history [04:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Firefox version history - Wikipedia [04:39] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I need coffee tbh, been a tough night [04:39] BaronVladimirHar There's still quite a few people using Firefox ESR 52. [04:39] BaronVladimirHar Probably because of Windows XP. [04:39] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] some people not complain they cannot connect to gemini.techrights.org [04:39] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] downstream dns changes not there yet [04:40] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I am going to do some maintenance work today [04:40] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] BTW, people are welcome to join the channels at irc.techrights.org any time [04:40] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] no risk of arbitrary k-lines and stuff [04:41] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] soon we release another explosive part about EPO abuses [04:41] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] eta 80 mins [04:42] BaronVladimirHar MDN source and bug tracking is now on GitHub. [04:42] BaronVladimirHar Not even using their own tools anymore. [04:43] BaronVladimirHar I think Mozilla got rid of their own infrastructure for build bots and just runs that on Azure now. [04:45] BaronVladimirHar http://toastytech.com/about/consumertard.html [04:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-toastytech.com | Consumertard [04:46] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] yes, mdn was outsourced like that [04:46] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] but mozilla was compromised long before this [04:47] schestowitz__ BaronVladimirHar: if you are not on matrix now... are you? .... might want to join our network directly [04:47] BaronVladimirHar You really can't expect persistence if I use IRC directly. [04:47] BaronVladimirHar I have a laptop. [04:48] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] you mean buffered messages? [04:48] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] from when you were offline? [04:48] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] that would mean outsourced services [04:49] BaronVladimirHar Yeah. [04:49] BaronVladimirHar "On the brighter side, with this technology consumertards will earn their Darwin awards as they go splat when their car drives off a cliff. " [04:49] BaronVladimirHar Not worried about this so much as them driving into me and destroying my car and then trying to make it my fault somehow. [04:50] BaronVladimirHar But there's plenty of people out there now who manage this without a computer. [04:50] BaronVladimirHar I was nearly hit by a guy with a back the blue (police) sticker on his SUV that went across two lanes because the idiot figured out he was about to miss his ramp. [04:50] BaronVladimirHar Earlier [04:52] BaronVladimirHar http://toastytech.com/about/home-covid-test.html [04:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-toastytech.com | NO TITLE [04:53] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] oh [04:55] BaronVladimirHar http://toastytech.com/about/opinions.html [04:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-toastytech.com | My Opinions [04:55] BaronVladimirHar "Comcast [04:55] BaronVladimirHar Comcast is Evil. I still miss TechTV. They murdered it. There is nothing on anymore. And the cable bill kept going up and up and up and up and up! Finally I canceled the stupid thing. Think I'll go read a book instead." [04:55] BaronVladimirHar :) [04:57] *acer-box__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [04:58] -NickServ-acer-box__!~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1 has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [04:58] *acer-box__ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights ● Jun 13 [05:00] *phanes is now known as TheRedHorseman [05:02] *blakewo has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [05:02] *blakewoo (~blakewoo@gateway/tor-sasl/blakewo) has joined #techrights [05:04] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] BaronVladimirHar: Ye can make it persistent through a NickServ-configurable feature. [05:05] BaronVladimirHar I can? [05:05] BaronVladimirHar I don't usually know about things that didn't exist 20 years ago. [05:06] BaronVladimirHar http://toastytech.com/about/2020PresidentialDebate.html [05:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-toastytech.com | 2020 Presidential Debate [05:06] BaronVladimirHar "It does worry me that this appointee comes across as a religious nut, but then so do most people." [05:08] BaronVladimirHar "Does biden really even want to be president? Biden comes across as a hapless muppit who was pulled out just to take a beating. If you listen to the media, you won't even know that Jo Jorgensen, the Libertarian Presidential Candidate for 2020, even exists." [05:08] BaronVladimirHar Hapless muppet, sure. Deranged lunatic? We already had that. [05:08] BaronVladimirHar Wasn't much of a choice, really. [05:09] BaronVladimirHar Tell me how Nickserv can replay the messages I missed. [05:09] BaronVladimirHar The only reason I even use Matrix is because it can do that. [05:09] schestowitz__ you can use a vps [05:09] schestowitz__ of some kind [05:09] schestowitz__ I can set something up for you [05:09] BaronVladimirHar The fucking limp wristed CoC liberals that run Matrix keep banning me. [05:09] BaronVladimirHar Anonymously, of course. [05:10] schestowitz__ you can even follow irc with tail -f [05:10] schestowitz__ or... [05:10] schestowitz__ maybe we should set up gemini and www to display channel in real time [05:10] schestowitz__ ish [05:10] BaronVladimirHar Matrix is worse than random k-lining. [05:11] schestowitz__ it would be super easy for me to set up [05:11] BaronVladimirHar They get you time and time again and just completely ruin everything that you were bridged into as well. [05:11] schestowitz__ do you want scrollback in gemini or www? I can do either [05:12] schestowitz__ (or both) [05:14] BaronVladimirHar Hmm. Probably easier on the web. [05:14] BaronVladimirHar Just because I have a browser open anyway all the time. [05:14] BaronVladimirHar I'm going to plant myself on Firefox ESR 91 when it comes out. [05:15] BaronVladimirHar The rolling release has turned into a major version bump that mostly adds nothing anyway. [05:15] BaronVladimirHar Features that aren't that important, are counterproductive, or make the entire thing less stable. Or more than one of those. [05:16] BaronVladimirHar It amazes me how little they seem to improve it yet how badly web apps malfunction after Seamonkey has been stuck a couple ESRs behind. [05:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.11 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.00 swarm size (avg): 244.08 [05:20] schestowitz__ BaronVladimirHar: in progress [05:22] BaronVladimirHar Firefox on Android is getting so much worse. [05:23] BaronVladimirHar There's only like 10 extensions on it that even work now because of GeckoView and the list isn't really growing, [05:23] schestowitz__ BaronVladimirHar: http://techrights.org/irc/ [05:23] schestowitz__ there, for you... [05:23] BaronVladimirHar I used to install Bypass Paywalls. Can't now. They removed cookie controls. [05:23] schestowitz__ I can set that up to refresh every x minutes [05:24] BaronVladimirHar Much better. Thank you. [05:24] schestowitz__ gemini isn't a priority for this kind of thing [05:24] schestowitz__ I will cron it now [05:24] BaronVladimirHar Can you do a thing where instead of posting daily links you just link to the section where it starts in that scrollback? [05:24] BaronVladimirHar Might kill two birds here. [05:25] schestowitz__ */5 * * * * [05:26] schestowitz__ crontab: installing new crontab [05:28] BaronVladimirHar Does your IRC server support SSL and on what port? [05:31] BaronVladimirHar https://winworldpc.com/product/dr-dos/8x [05:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-winworldpc.com | WinWorld: DR DOS 8.x [05:31] schestowitz__ BaronVladimirHar: added to http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ [05:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Channels | Techrights [05:31] schestowitz__ at the top [05:31] schestowitz__ BaronVladimirHar: the usual port [05:31] BaronVladimirHar LOL "Shortly after release, it was discovered 8.1 as well as 8.0 contained works from FreeDOS, none of which were credited and source was not provided. When the FreeDOS project pointed out this was a GPL violation, DR-DOS, Inc pulled both 8.1 and 8.0 from the market." [05:31] schestowitz__ it has the option of non-ssl too [05:32] schestowitz__ logging instructions and latest in the channel shown in that page [05:33] schestowitz__ gemini is still not popular enough to justify the disk i/o overhead [05:35] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Oh god, he is here. [05:36] schestowitz__ he is, he is... [05:36] schestowitz__ just be polite, OK? [05:37] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Yeah. I didn't notice on the Matrix bridge. [05:39] schestowitz__ we are now discussing internally if or how to do the same in gemini [05:39] schestowitz__ the matrix bridge sees only freenode [05:40] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] let's see if I can enhance the lastlog thing [05:40] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] though it is plain text [05:40] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] I'm getting used to HexChat again. The Windows 10 Store App turned out to be crippleware nonsense. Not because they wanted it to be, but because of the limitations from Microsoft. [05:40] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I guess raw log is simple and good enough [05:40] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] the daily logs already do the fancier things regardless [05:42] *schestowitz__ is now known as schestowitz [05:42] *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz [05:42] *schestowitz has changed the topic to: Techrights.org IRC discussions @ Freenode | Channel #techrights for http://techrights.org [logged online] :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell for related discussions. Official channels are at irc.techrights.org | For scrollback see http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ [05:43] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I suppose I could just point gemini at the www page for scroll back [05:43] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] That takes care of installing my preferred color scheme. [05:44] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] I take it Mozilla shut down their IRC server. [05:44] samiamsam Redfoxmoon: DR-DOS. man. what kind of person would do that. [05:45] samiamsam i meant to type re: [05:47] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Someone who wanted a stolen DOS product to sell as a "legacy computing solution". [05:47] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] To some suits who didn't know what FreeDOS was. [05:47] *BaronVladimirHar (baronhk1ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-zrzbnzcaepilsbgv) has left #techrights [05:48] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] gemini://gemini.techrights.org/about/ [05:48] samiamsam i really just don't understand how someone who is developing the commercial product DR DOS could carry out the behavior of just cut and pasting code from FreeDOS. wtf is going on in your head while you are pasting that. [05:48] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] there! [05:49] samiamsam probably some kind of desperation i guess. can't be much money in DR DOS [05:49] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] samiamsam, "Ctrl+C Ctrl+V..." over and over. [05:49] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Getting paid to do it. [05:50] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] It's 2021 and FreeDOS has a package manager that's more useful than the one in Windows. [05:51] schestowitz cubexyz keeps a longterm long in http://www.maxhost.org/other/techrights-2020a.log [05:51] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] (warning: 7.5 MB) [05:52] AdmFubar https://linuxreviews.org/Software_freedom_isn%E2%80%99t_about_licenses_%E2%80%93_it%E2%80%99s_about_power [05:52] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] cubexyz: are you ok with me linking to that page? [05:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Software freedom isnt about licenses its about power - LinuxReviews [05:54] AdmFubar https://linuxinsider.com/story/stale-open-source-code-rampant-in-commercial-software-report-87150.html?rss=1 [05:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Stale Open Source Code Rampant in Commercial Software: Report | LinuxInsider [05:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] is that black duck FUD? [05:57] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] did not click but the title seems familiar [05:57] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Black_Duck [05:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Black Duck - Techrights [05:57] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] they're a Microsoft proxy [05:57] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] anti-GPL mostly [05:58] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, June 12, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [05:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [05:58] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [05:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [05:59] techrights-bot The Hearing On Case G1/21 Has Been Postponed Until 2 July 2021 Following A Procedural Objection "https://www.mondaq.com/uk/trials-appeals-compensation/1078442/the-hearing-on-case-g121-has-been-postponed-until-2-july-2021-following-a-procedural-objection http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/outline-g121-and-beyond/ [05:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | The Hearing On Case G1/21 Has Been Postponed Until 2 July 2021 Following A Procedural Objection - Litigation, Mediation & Arbitration - UK [05:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outline of Recent EPO Series: Kangaroo Courts, German Government Complicity, and Gross Privacy Violations by Unaccountable Officials | Techrights ● Jun 13 [06:01] techrights-bot NEWS #Shacknews #Games 25 Days of #Quake kicks off 25th anniversary celebration with Classic Ranger Champions skin https://www.shacknews.com/article/124665/25-days-of-quake-kicks-off-25th-anniversary-celebration-with-classic-ranger-champions-skin [06:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-25 Days of Quake kicks off 25th anniversary celebration with Classic Ranger Champions skin | Shacknews [06:02] techrights-bot NEWS #LeonardoGiordani Public key cryptography: OpenSSH private keys https://www.thedigitalcatonline.com/blog/2021/06/03/public-key-cryptography-openssh-private-keys/ [06:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedigitalcatonline.com | The Digital Cat - Public key cryptography: OpenSSH private keys [06:09] AdmFubar ok off to bed night all [06:10] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@76-234-138-224.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) has left #techrights [06:15] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] schestowitz, Yes, Mozilla did delete their IRC server. [06:15] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] That's nice. They're on Matrix now discussing what's going on at GitHub. [06:18] *Techrights-sec has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 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[07:53] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] > [07:53] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] > You can forward this to Rianne (someone I don't know) [07:53] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] > but I don't have a key for her, so I am sending it to you two. ● Jun 13 [08:05] *rrh (5198ee27@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:14] *rrh has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [08:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.20 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.18 swarm size (avg): 244.23 [08:25] *TheRedHorseman is now known as phanes ● Jun 13 [09:05] techrights-bot NEWS #Vice #Hardware New York Senate Passes Electronics Right-to-Repair Legislation https://www.vice.com/en/article/93y3np/new-york-senate-passes-electronics-right-to-repair-legislation [09:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | New York Senate Passes Electronics Right-to-Repair Legislation [09:05] techrights-bot NEWS #TheRegisterUK #Hardware New York State Senate first to pass landmark right-to-repair bill but don't go popping the champagne just yet https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/11/new_york_senate_advances_landmark/ [09:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | New York State Senate first to pass landmark right-to-repair bill but don't go popping the champagne just yet The Register [09:07] techrights-bot NEWS #BBC #Health Covid: Is there a limit to how much worse variants can get? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57431420 [09:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid: Is there a limit to how much worse variants can get? - BBC News [09:09] techrights-bot NEWS #NBC #ProprietarySoftware The FBI's seizing one bitcoin wallet won't stop ransomware but it's a start https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/fbis-seizing-one-bitcoin-wallet-wont-stop-ransomware-start-rcna1166 [09:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | The FBI's seizing one bitcoin wallet won't stop ransomware but it's a start [09:10] techrights-bot NEWS #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware Oversight chair presses #JBS on why it paid ransom over cyberattack https://thehill.com/policy/finance/557975-oversight-chief-presses-jbs-on-why-it-paid-ransom-amid-cyber-attack [09:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Oversight chair presses JBS on why it paid ransom over cyberattack | TheHill [09:11] techrights-bot KDE Frameworks 5.83 Brings More Than 200 Changes, Improves Support for Flatpak Apps http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152236 [09:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Frameworks 5.83 Brings More Than 200 Changes, Improves Support for Flatpak Apps | Tux Machines [09:11] techrights-bot Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152237 [09:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:13] techrights-bot #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, June 12, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/irc-log-120621/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/13/irc-log-120621/ [09:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, June 12, 2021 | Techrights [09:15] techrights-bot #Battistelli went to considerable lengths to secure the support of the Hungarian delegation. http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/epo-in-budapest/ #Techrights #EPO #Europe | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/13/epo-in-budapest/ [09:19] techrights-bot NEWS #TheVerge #Confidentiality McDonalds suffers data breach in the US, South Korea, and Taiwan https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/11/22529656/mcdonalds-data-breach-us-south-korea-taiwan [09:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | McDonalds suffers data breach in the US, South Korea, and Taiwan - The Verge [09:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.63 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 22.20 swarm size (avg): 244.28 [09:24] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:24] *rianne__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [09:25] techrights-bot Jen Wike Huger has run out of things to write about (except paid-for #ibm #marketing pieces). So it goes like... what can I write about? I like cooking and food, so let's make it sound like particular breakfasts go together with... sharing your code? 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Can someone tell me the new /topics, because apparently they are interesting [11:18] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [11:21] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.60 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 21.01 swarm size (avg): 244.32 [11:24] gustaf immibis/tr: #fsf: "Unofficial IRC community channel for the FSF | Chat about free software | Transitional details of the official channel: https://u.fsf.org/3em | List of official channels: https://www.gnu.org/server/irc-rules.en.html" [11:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | FSF and GNU move official IRC channels to Libera.Chat network Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [11:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | GNU and FSF related IRC channels - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [11:24] gustaf #gnu: "Community IRC channel for the GNU Project | Discuss or ask questions about any GNU-related software, or the GPL." [11:26] gustaf this was the original takeover topic change: [11:26] gustaf 2021-06-13 06:57:47 -- ChanServ has changed topic for #fsf from "Free Software Foundation | The FSF and GNU are transitioning their official project channels to Libera.chat. Read more about the decision and our rationale: https://u.fsf.org/3em | Member forum: | Watch the LP2021 videos: | Ops: johnsu01 (FSF executive [11:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cas.fsf.org | Free Software FoundationCentral Login [11:26] gustaf director), ggoes (FSF campaigns manager)" to "Chat about free software | Looking forhthe FSF? Thn FSF his moved - http://techrights.org/2021/06/12/fsf-irc-channels/" [11:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-media.libreplanet.org | GNU MediaGoblin [11:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Letter to the FSF About Taking Control of the FSFs (and GNUs) IRC Channels | Techrights [11:27] gustaf people didn't feel the Techrights link was appropriate so it was eventually removed [11:27] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] so that's what people were talking about with the techrights link. It does seem really really strange to link techrights to that takeover [11:27] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] what does techrights have to do with it? [11:27] gustaf ggoes mentioned that adminning their own IRC server was out of the question [11:28] gustaf the topic was set by 'root', which seems to be rasengan [11:29] gustaf lemme know if you want a copy of my logs [11:29] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] depends if they are popcorn-worthy [11:29] gustaf not really [11:38] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] remind me why the freenode techrights channel says to support freenode [11:40] schestowitz [11:27] people didn't feel the Techrights link was appropriate so it was eventually removed [11:40] schestowitz Removed from where? [11:40] schestowitz IRC links cannot be removed [11:41] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] from the topic of #fsf [11:41] schestowitz * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). [11:41] schestowitz * schestowitz_log_ already in use. Retrying with schestowitz_log_... [11:41] schestowitz * schestowitz_log_ already in use. Retrying with schestowitz_log__... [11:41] schestowitz * Nickname already in use. Use /NICK to try another. [11:41] schestowitz * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). [11:41] schestowitz >nickserv< identify **** [11:41] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [11:41] schestowitz * schestowitz_log sets mode +R schestowitz_log [11:41] schestowitz * schestowitz_log sets mode +i schestowitz_log [11:41] schestowitz This does not seem right [11:42] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] gustaf: but wait. They actually put a signpost in the topic themselves? lol [11:42] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] someone should tell them that violates freenode poilcy [11:42] schestowitz 10:37AM GMT [11:42] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] maybe the prince decided he didn't like your logging bot [11:42] schestowitz wow, FSF put a link to Techrights in the channel topic? [11:43] gustaf yes [11:43] gustaf well no [11:43] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] yes? scroll up a little bit and look at gustaf's message [11:43] gustaf Freenode staff did [11:43] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] oh right [11:43] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] no, it wasn't the FSF [11:43] gustaf after removing the FSF rep as owners of the channel [11:43] gustaf FSF no longer controls #fsf [11:43] gustaf on FReenode [11:44] gustaf https://status.fsf.org/notice/4214348 [11:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free Software Foundation (fsf)'s status on Sunday, 13-Jun-2021 05:05:28 UTC - status.fsf.org [11:45] schestowitz whoever is in charge of the network is self-immolating and has ZERO grasp of the Free software community, maybe of IRC also... [11:46] gustaf #python was taken over too [11:46] techrights-bot #freenode kids found a pistol, put the pistol to their own heads https://status.fsf.org/notice/4214348 [11:47] techrights-bot NEWS #IndiaTimes #Monopolies Breaking up Big Tech in focus as new U.S. #antitrust bills introduced https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/government-policy/breaking-up-big-tech-in-focus-as-new-u-s-antitrust-bills-introduced/83453121 [11:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | google: Breaking up Big Tech in focus as new U.S. antitrust bills introduced, IT News, ET CIO [11:48] techrights-bot NEWS #TheVerge #Monopolies House lawmakers introduce five bipartisan bills to unwind tech #monopolies https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/11/22529857/democrats-antitrust-big-tech-facebook-amazon-google-apple-competition-package-bills [11:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | House lawmakers introduce five bipartisan bills to unwind tech monopolies - The Verge [11:49] gustaf 2021-06-13 08:01:05 ggoes CrystalMath: i just got an email from rms saying we made the right decision; funny how that works [11:49] gustaf times in CEST [11:49] techrights-bot NEWS #Bloomberg #Copyrights #Copyright Virtual Singers Headline Multibillion-Dollar Industry in China https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-12/virtual-singers-headline-multibillion-dollar-industry-in-china [11:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [11:49] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] schestowitz: isn't that what people have been saying for the last few weeks? [11:49] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] ... and you've been denying for the last few weeks? or have I gotten mixed up? [11:51] schestowitz it didn't happen overnight [11:51] schestowitz they clearly don't know what they're doing... [11:51] schestowitz and only make it worse, starting with 700 channels being confiscated [11:51] schestowitz Lee said me it was a mistake and they would clarify [11:53] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] and, many people said it was not a mistake, and they are just saving face by saying it's a mistake, and they will continue doing similar things because it is not a mistake [11:53] schestowitz no, we assess the situation [11:53] schestowitz the assessment is changing over time [11:53] schestowitz either way, masters in IRC are not a good idea in general [11:54] schestowitz "irc cops" or owner cops [11:54] schestowitz either way, you're at the mercy of something else and for many years in techrights we advocated against it [11:54] schestowitz that's why we self-host videos, for example, and don't upload anywhere else [11:57] schestowitz FSF announced migration late on Friday [11:57] schestowitz today is Sunday early [11:57] schestowitz so not even a whole business day to digest the news [11:57] schestowitz maybe 0 hours of a business day [11:57] schestowitz I am going to check the FSF channel to see what's going on [11:58] schestowitz [11:57] *** The channel topic is "Unofficial IRC community channel for the FSF | Chat about free software | Transitional details of the official channel: https://u.fsf.org/3em | List of official channels: https://www.gnu.org/server/irc-rules.en.html". [11:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | FSF and GNU move official IRC channels to Libera.Chat network Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [11:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | GNU and FSF related IRC channels - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [11:58] schestowitz is that not what they set it to? [11:58] schestowitz 225 people still there, or "users" [11:58] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] gustaf seems to have more logs [11:58] schestowitz so clearly not many have had the chance to move [11:58] schestowitz I just need clarity and facts [11:59] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] which facts? is it not clear that #fsf is now controlled by freenode staff instead of FSF staff? [11:59] techrights-bot NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #WhatsApp Does Not Have To Immediately Suspend Accounts Reported For Piracy https://torrentfreak.com/whatsapp-does-not-have-to-immediately-suspend-accounts-reported-for-piracy-210612/ [11:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WhatsApp Does Not Have To Immediately Suspend Accounts Reported For Piracy * TorrentFreak [11:59] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] check the chanserv access list perhaps ● Jun 13 [12:00] schestowitz what time exactly did this happen? [12:00] schestowitz I want to compare to other events [12:00] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] i think about 7 hours ago? [12:00] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] based on when people started talking about it on libera [12:01] schestowitz the schestowitz_log account lost the connection along with many other amid netsplit [12:01] schestowitz so I doubt anything nefarious there [12:01] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] FSF were kicked off freenode [12:01] gustaf 2021-06-13 06:45:57 -- Mode #fsf [-o ggoes] by OperServ [12:01] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] amin bandali, a dear friend of mine, k-lined [12:01] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] 4:49:41 UTC [12:01] gustaf CEST [12:01] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] stop defending andrew [12:01] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] you are just looking stupid [12:01] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] Ariadne: I think schestowitz is starting to come around to the fact that andrewnet is not a good network [12:01] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] Ariadne: don't jinx it [12:02] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i am frustrated, but unsurprised by all of this [12:02] *phobos (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [12:02] schestowitz mind you, the situation today isn't the same as a week ago [12:03] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] yes it is [12:03] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] everything has played out exactly as i predicted it would [12:03] gustaf 2021-06-13 07:14:51 bandali (~bandali@fsf/emeritus/bandali) has quit (K-Lined) [12:03] gustaf CEST [12:03] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] indeed, the situation is pretty much how everyone expected except for you. There is just more evidence to back that expectation now [12:03] gustaf I'll be happy to upload my logs to an appropriate site [12:04] schestowitz 11:14 AM I guess [12:04] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] perhaps you were inexperienced in understanding the ways petty tyrants think [12:04] schestowitz 50 mins ago [12:04] schestowitz half an hour after the netsplit [12:05] schestowitz gustaf: yes, please [12:05] schestowitz I want to see the conversation/context that led to this action [12:05] schestowitz (not that it is OK) [12:05] schestowitz maybe several hours prior [12:06] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] the conversation would have happened on #staff [12:06] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] unfortunately staff are NDA'd so i doubt you will be seeing it [12:06] gustaf lemme try to get it onto some gists [12:06] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] but i can imagine it went like this [12:06] techrights-bot NEWS #CommonDreams #G7 Promotes Tax Deal for the 1%Not the 99% https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/06/12/g7-promotes-tax-deal-1-not-99 [12:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | G7 Promotes Tax Deal for the 1%Not the 99% | Jos Antonio Ocampo [12:06] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] FUCK THE FSF, LETS MAKE IRC GREAT AGAIN [12:06] techrights-bot NEWS #CommonDreams #Patents Lack of #Patent Waiver Would Add Over $70 Billion to Cost of Vaccinating World: #Oxfam https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/12/lack-patent-waiver-would-add-over-70-billion-cost-vaccinating-world-oxfam [12:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Lack of Patent Waiver Would Add Over $70 Billion to Cost of Vaccinating World: Oxfam | Common Dreams News [12:06] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] YEAH GREAT [12:06] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] i imagine there was no conversation. Channel moves to libera => seize channel. Job done. No discussion needed. [12:07] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] LETS SICK THAT FREENODECOM BOT ON IT [12:07] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] Ariadne: hyperbole does not help your case [12:07] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] immibis: nah they chatted about EVERYTHING like that in #staff [12:07] schestowitz it makes it sound real, but can mislead some people [12:07] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i guarantee you [12:07] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] rasengan [12:08] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] i'm gonna need some evidence before i believe staff are that stupid, i know they're stupid, but not *so* stupid they feel the need to circlejerk about it in their private channel [12:08] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] said something like "fuck the fsf, lets make irc great again" [12:08] schestowitz PIA was the buggest sponsor of FSF last year, so that must have hurt [12:08] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i spent all of last year with him on my testnet [12:08] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] schestowitz: PIA is owned by kape since 2018 [12:08] schestowitz I know [12:08] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] not andrew [12:08] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] andrew thinks he can buy whatever he wants with money [12:08] schestowitz anyway, let's see if gustaf can show logs [12:09] schestowitz no [12:09] schestowitz with debt [12:09] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] bought freenode, tried to buy the FSF, tried to buy fosshost [12:09] gustaf I'll include the #freenode logs I have too, 12-13 Jun [12:09] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] analysis of the court filings show a lot of this is actually debt like schestowitz says [12:09] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] (tried to buy freenode, if you consider that all he really got was a domain name) [12:09] gustaf again, good place to upload these to ? [12:09] techrights-bot NEWS #MintPressNews Jessica Ashooh: The Taming of #Reddit and the National Security State Plant Tabbed to Do It https://www.mintpressnews.com/jessica-ashooh-reddit-national-security-state-plant/277639/ [12:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mintpressnews.com | Jessica Ashooh: The Taming of Reddit and the National Security State Plant Tabbed to Do It [12:10] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] anyway [12:10] gustaf GH gist doesn't seem to be good for bigger files [12:10] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] schestowitz you can't support andrew after he took over the FSF channels [12:10] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] like, that is just [12:10] schestowitz gustaf: thanks [12:10] schestowitz I want to see what led up to it [12:11] schestowitz they didn't take action the whole of saturday [12:11] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] what led up to it is that andrew felt like doing it [12:11] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] probably on a whim [12:11] schestowitz gustaf: size? [12:11] schestowitz of file? [12:11] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i think he feeds on the drama [12:11] schestowitz no github please [12:11] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] makes him feel important [12:11] gustaf 225KB zipped [12:12] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] I don't think so. I think he just likes having power and doesn't like people leaving his sphere of power [12:12] schestowitz email to r@schestowitz com [12:12] gustaf fair warning you're gonna get an email from gmail ;) [12:12] schestowitz I want to see the logs before I can make up my mind fully [12:12] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i mean [12:12] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] admittedly [12:12] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i have not seen the logs either [12:12] schestowitz because a network that doesn't respect free expression if problematic [12:12] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i just woke up to "oh, #fsf got taken over" [12:13] schestowitz gustaf: I will open email after you send the #fsf logs [12:13] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] can we not estimate that #fsf was taken over for the *exact same reason* as *every other channel* that was taken over? [12:13] schestowitz the blowback from such takeover it epic-ly higher [12:14] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] immibis: i think it is likely yes [12:14] schestowitz the sooner the realise it, the better, but beyond inflection point already [12:14] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] especially since the channel met the same preconditions as all the other channels? [12:14] gustaf bbl lunch [12:15] techrights-bot #freenode has taken over the #fsf channel and K-lined some FSF people (at least an emeritus) http://techrights.org/irc/ (recent logs, will change over time) [12:16] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i can tell you this [12:16] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] bandali did not do anything wrong [12:16] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] and should not have been k-lined [12:17] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] he is a person of outstanding moral character [12:18] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] character witnesses are worthless [12:19] schestowitz 2021-06-12 23:34:11immibis (~immibis@62.156.144.218) has quit (K-Lined) [12:19] schestowitz this cannot be faked [12:19] schestowitz must have been something said in another channel [12:20] schestowitz as there is no activity in #FSF from that person in preceding hours [12:20] schestowitz maybe they draw up a "freenode enemies list" [12:20] schestowitz 2021-06-13 02:21:27rbraun (vaF3IrtE@gateway/shell/club.cc.cmu.edu/x-mbgbjftlzntyfool) has quit (K-Lined) [12:20] schestowitz we also saw it here in this channel [12:21] schestowitz 2021-06-13 02:34:05yano (~yano@unaffiliated/yano) has quit (K-Lined) [12:21] schestowitz 2021-06-13 02:38:57hl (~hl@unaffiliated/hl) has quit (K-Lined) [12:22] schestowitz 2021-06-13 06:28:38cyndaquil (~job@45.58.46.81) has joined #fsf [12:22] schestowitz 2021-06-13 06:30:01cyndaquil (~job@45.58.46.81) has quit (K-Lined) [12:22] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:14:51bandali (~bandali@fsf/emeritus/bandali) has quit (K-Lined) [12:22] schestowitz 2021-06-13 08:15:35oaken-sourceggoes: have you asked in #freenode to have the /topic line changed? [12:22] schestowitz 2021-06-13 08:15:54ggoesi'd rather not be k-lined tonight [12:22] *DVulgaris has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [12:23] schestowitz 2021-06-13 08:49:31KindOne (kindone@unaffiliated/kindone) has quit (K-Lined) [12:23] schestowitz wasn't that staff? [12:23] schestowitz 2021-06-13 09:01:40xkcn (travankor@gateway/shell/tilde.team/x-pidgsjdomtwhajqz) has quit (K-Lined) [12:23] schestowitz 2021-06-13 09:01:40badast (badastrona@gateway/shell/tilde.team/x-neyrqjnstuhmriwk) has quit (K-Lined) [12:23] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] indeed, they are banning freenode enemies, ironically while claiming they do not censor people. Typical fascist tactic [12:23] schestowitz I wonder if someone smoked something or masturbated while doing all those purges [12:24] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] not every pleasure is sexual, schestowitz [12:24] schestowitz it's a losing strtagey and it won't work [12:24] schestowitz any person they kill amplifies the blowback [12:24] schestowitz hydra style [12:24] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] when has fascism ever worked? [12:24] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] be glad these people only have control of an IRC network and not a country [12:24] schestowitz I didn't say it was sexual, that's why I joked about narcotics [12:25] schestowitz it's short-sighted gratification to kick someone out [12:25] schestowitz reading on... [12:25] schestowitz it doesn't say if those people got banned for saying something in another channel [12:25] schestowitz but the removals were many this morning [12:25] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] they got banned for being freenode enemies in other channels [12:25] schestowitz not in bulk [12:26] schestowitz specific and surgical [12:26] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] if you criticize freenode, you get banned. One of them got banned for writing a chit saying rasengan deleted his previous chit (which was true) [12:26] schestowitz 2021-06-13 06:44:35TheRedHorsemano/ [12:26] schestowitz That's "eskimo" in the #fsf channel [12:26] schestowitz with a new nickname [12:27] schestowitz does he still have oper powers in freenode/ [12:27] schestowitz 2021-06-13 06:45:02 *TheRedHorseman trots around in a circle, eyes gleaming red in the dark [12:27] schestowitz 2021-06-13 06:46:56bandali^ [12:28] schestowitz 2021-06-13 06:48:20TheRedHorsemanNO MORE SMEAR CAMPAIGNS [12:28] schestowitz 2021-06-13 06:48:28TheRedHorsemanYOU OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITIES YOU SERVE [12:28] schestowitz shouting always works [12:28] schestowitz 2021-06-13 06:57:47--ChanServ has changed topic for #fsf from "Free Software Foundation | The FSF and GNU are transitioning their official project channels to Libera.chat. Read more about the decision and our rationale: https://u.fsf.org/3em | Member forum: | Watch the LP2021 videos: | Ops: johnsu01 (FSF executive director), ggoes (FSF campaigns manager)" to "Chat about [12:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | FSF and GNU move official IRC channels to Libera.Chat network Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [12:28] schestowitz free software | Looking for the FSF? The FSF has moved - http://techrights.org/2021/06/12/fsf-irc-channels/" [12:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cas.fsf.org | Free Software FoundationCentral Login [12:28] schestowitz That was 9 minutes later [12:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-media.libreplanet.org | GNU MediaGoblin [12:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Letter to the FSF About Taking Control of the FSFs (and GNUs) IRC Channels | Techrights [12:29] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] https://pastebin.com/Y4m9ZVhW the chit thing [12:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-* habnabit__ (32f0dc45@50-240-220-69-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined - Pastebin.com [12:30] schestowitz I have to go [12:30] schestowitz my popcorn is ready [12:30] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:02:39bandalilol at least link an article that contains a link to the actual official announcement by the fsf [12:30] schestowitz [12:22] 2021-06-13 07:14:51 bandali (~bandali@fsf/emeritus/bandali) has quit (K-Lined) [12:31] schestowitz so that was 11 minutes later [12:31] schestowitz before the "horse" knocked him over [12:31] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:04:21rootPutting spam in the topic is not permitted. [12:31] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:04:30bandalidefine spam [12:31] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:05:23bandaliso now the official announcement by the fsf is spam? [12:31] schestowitz so it was all about the topic [12:31] schestowitz calling it spam [12:31] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:05:51rootThe official announcement from "FSF" is on their website. [12:32] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:05:51rootThe official announcement from "FSF" is on their website. [12:32] schestowitz huh? [12:32] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] rasengan has been very consistent that pointing people to other IRC networks is considered spam [12:32] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:06:02dragestiltechrights is spam [12:32] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:06:05bandaliso what's spam? [12:32] schestowitz who is dragestil? [12:32] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] he was forced to allow a loophole via the official website of the project because otherwise he couldn't maintain the fiction that it was all about spam all along [12:33] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:06:09bandalitechrights is spam? then delete it [12:33] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:06:12root#fsf is an IRC channel on the freenode IRC network where use is a privilege not a right. [12:33] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:06:18CrystalMathtechrights is not spam [12:33] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:06:23bandaliwhat the fuck does that mean? [12:33] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] i think s/he means techrights in the topic of #fsf is more spammy than the official move announcement was, and that announcement was removed for "spam", therefore the techrights link should also be removed for "spam" [12:33] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:06:25rootCode of Conduct is outlined on the freenode policy page. It's QUITE lengthy! [12:33] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:06:32rootLet me share [12:33] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:06:37ggoeswhile we're making announcements https://nitter.fdn.fr/fsf/status/1403941542532952067#m | https://hostux.social/@fsf/106401675608265204 [12:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.fdn.fr | Free Software Fndn. (@fsf): "Despite our plans for a gradual transition, FSF staff and GNU volunteers are no longer in control of the #fsf and #gnu channels on the Freenode network. Please find us at http://libera.chat instead." | FDNitter [12:33] schestowitz So now freenode has a Code of Conduct [12:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsf: "Despite our plans for a gradual transition, FSF s" - Hostux.social [12:34] schestowitz that says techrights links are spam or something? Who is dragestil? [12:34] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:06:45rootNo spamming or scamming [12:34] schestowitz LOL [12:34] schestowitz what did Kape do? [12:34] schestowitz before the rename? [12:35] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:07:01bandalithank you ggoes [12:35] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:07:15bandalilol no flooding, then proceeds to flood the channel. nice [12:35] *DVulgaris (~quassel@2a00:7c40:c2d0:199:9ff4:1561:725e:617c) has joined #techrights [12:35] schestowitz I think I see what begets the k-line then [12:35] schestowitz it it was def. about the channel topic change [12:35] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] schestowitz: the code of conduct is to not redirect people to other networks [12:35] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:10:41dragestilI'm dropping my nick now, bye everyone [12:36] schestowitz immibis: so now they have a CoCo [12:36] schestowitz ? [12:36] schestowitz *CoC [12:36] schestowitz and at the same time oppose cancel culture? [12:36] CrystalMath schestowitz: no, this is the ToS [12:36] schestowitz We all saw how a CoC is used for exactly those sorts of witch hunts [12:36] schestowitz GNU/FSF REJECT a CoC [12:36] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] You appear to be trying to deduce the *hidden* rule set that freenode staff use, but for some reason, you are going to great lengths to make the deductions that cast the freenode staff in the most favourable possible light. [12:36] CrystalMath schestowitz: he pasted the entire "code of conduct" [12:37] schestowitz CrystalMath: that links to birdsite/nitter [12:37] schestowitz is there an official freenode page? [12:37] schestowitz that's now some random quip somewhere in an NSA site? [12:37] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:11:32stonecoldroot: is this your second or third line of cocaine buddy? [12:37] schestowitz 2021-06-13 07:12:25stonecold (ac3a632c@172.58.99.44) has quit (Disconnected by services) [12:37] schestowitz "Disconnected by services)" [12:37] schestowitz I will scan the logs on that too [12:37] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] schestowitz: https://freenode.net/policies here is the CoC [12:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | The Policies - freenode [12:38] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] No spamming or scamming / No flooding / No promotion of violence / No illegal pornographic material / freenode staff may disconnect clients for any reason [12:38] schestowitz 2.5 minutes later: "bandali (~bandali@fsf/emeritus/bandali) has quit (K-Lined)" [12:39] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] you will notice that nothing here says "no telling people you moved to libera in the topic". They have chosen to *interpret* such a thing as "spam". Using the usual loophole where you can interpret the CoC in any way you want at the moment [12:39] techrights-bot NEWS #CommonDreams NYC Mayoral Candidate Eric Adams Rebuked for 'Dangerous' 400-Students-to-1-Teacher Theory https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/12/nyc-mayoral-candidate-eric-adams-rebuked-dangerous-400-students-1-teacher-theory [12:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | NYC Mayoral Candidate Eric Adams Rebuked for 'Dangerous' 400-Students-to-1-Teacher Theory | Common Dreams News [12:39] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] you can ban people for whatever you want, simply by saying that thing is spamming [12:41] schestowitz who is dragestil? [12:41] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] some bystander, probably. why does it matter? [12:41] schestowitz fsf? freenode? neither? [12:41] schestowitz the FSF won't be posting these logs [12:42] schestowitz maybe I can do a video to explain the chain of events there? [12:44] techrights-bot "you will find the article written by a Polish graduate student about how he finished his academic year rejecting every non-Free program that his teachers tried to make him run." - RMS in Brazil chat at about 37:00 http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ [12:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | Techrights [12:44] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] why would his affiliation matter? to me he looks like a bystander making a random comment [12:44] techrights-bot iophk: "he mistakely considers that the teachers are calling the shots. in most institutions, the #microsoft resellers decide on not just the tools but the curriculum." re https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20970415 [12:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "you will find the article written by a Polish graduate student about how he finished his academic year rejecting every non-Free program that his teachers tried to make him run." - RMS in Brazil chat at about 37:00 http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ [12:46] schestowitz immibis seems to me like someone trying to cancel the site by false insinuations [12:46] schestowitz the article there and the video are on topic and serious [12:46] schestowitz not even remotely spamming [12:46] schestowitz some people lobbied RMS to try to 'cancel' us [12:46] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] schestowitz: I don't believe he is saying techrights is generally spam, but he is saying that putting it in the /topic of #fsf is spam [12:46] schestowitz thankfully he did not fall for it [12:46] schestowitz instead, he defended us [12:47] schestowitz immibis so why say that? [12:47] schestowitz Unless it's a freenode stakeholder? [12:47] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] if the /topic of #fsf is not allowed to say the FSF is moving to libera, why is the /topic of #fsf allowed to link to techrights? One of those is far more on-topic than the other, and yet it's still considered spam [12:47] schestowitz fsf needs to worry about fsf and software freedom [12:47] schestowitz not some random IRC network [12:47] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] it is about FSF [12:48] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] it is not some random IRC network, it is saying which IRC network the FSF is on [12:48] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] that is important information relevant to the FSF [12:48] schestowitz true [12:48] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] no different than if it said "the fsf has moved to freesoftwarefoundation.org" [12:48] schestowitz hang on a bit... does anyone here think this is worth covering (objectively)? [12:48] schestowitz I'd rather move on and write about patents [12:48] schestowitz but freenode is killing itselfg [12:49] schestowitz and we have a stake in the outcome [12:49] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] it will not be objective, no matter how hard you try [12:49] techrights-bot #ifixit in latest in #righttorepair https://www.ifixit.com/News/50722/victory-new-york-senate-passes-landmark-right-to-repair-bill blocked by javascript [12:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Victory! New York Senate Passes Landmark Right to Repair Bill - iFixit [12:49] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] when people say they are writing objectively I worry they are not writing objectively, only pretending to write objectively [12:50] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] and that they want to pretend their biased opinion is objective so that more people will accept it [12:50] schestowitz I know what you mean [12:50] schestowitz the tone and choice of works, choice of focus, omission [12:50] schestowitz anyway, we have the FSF logs so we can make up our minds [12:50] schestowitz I will upload them so people in this channel can see and judge for themselves [12:51] schestowitz I will first check there is no identifying stuff in there [12:53] schestowitz 2021-06-12 00:39:04 Pricey bagira: Stupid question. I see more than 1 "is now known as nickserv" in my logs. Is the account above definitely accurate? [12:55] schestowitz this is objective: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/freenode-takes-control-of-fsf-channel.txt [12:55] schestowitz no editing [12:55] schestowitz no redactions seen as needed, saw no addresses or passwords [12:55] schestowitz the interesting parts are the past few hours [12:56] techrights-bot In case you heard about #fsf channel at #freenode being taken over, here are the raw logs leading up to it (no comments/remarks added by me) http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/freenode-takes-control-of-fsf-channel.txt [12:57] techrights-bot NEWS #TruthOut #Colombia A National Strike Has Reignited in Colombia - and Is Winning Some Victories https://truthout.org/articles/a-national-strike-has-reignited-in-colombia-and-is-winning-some-victories/ [12:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | A National Strike Has Reignited in Colombia -- and Is Winning Some Victories [12:57] techrights-bot "other countries need to stand up to #Twitter like #Nigeria is doing" -iophk [12:58] schestowitz gemini FUD du jour: [12:58] schestowitz x https://alex.flounder.online/gemlog/2021-01-08-useless.gmi [12:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alex.flounder.online | Gemini is Useless [12:58] schestowitz x https://gerikson.com/blog/comm/Why-u-no-gemini.html [12:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gerikson.com | Why Gemini is not my favorite internet protocol - The occasional scrivener - Gustaf Erikson's weblog [12:59] techrights-bot #clickbait title but people understand what #microsoft is up to https://clarity.kleydints.com/a-post-mortem-in-5-acts-of-how-microsoft-privatized-open-source-killing-javascript-in-the-process-62ee5fc77d9e same with #java (still) http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/java-schism-to-wrest-control/ [12:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-clarity.kleydints.com | A Post-Mortem in 5 Acts, of How Microsoft Privatized Open Source, killing JavaScript in the Process | by Alex Kleydints | Clarity [12:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Historys Lesson: Microsoft Now Does to GNU/Linux What It Did to Java (Creating Schism to Wrest Control) | Techrights ● Jun 13 [13:00] techrights-bot iophk: #twitter is the opposite of free speech; it is inaccurate to conflate the two; [13:02] techrights-bot #billgates AND #microsoft bribe #npr so the quality of 'journalism' is nowadays too low, articles self-censoring https://text.npr.org/1004874311 iophk: "no. the presence of Windows on the Internet is fueling the attacks. remove it." [13:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | How Bitcoin Has Fueled Ransomware Attacks [13:05] techrights-bot #righttorepair gains https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/right-to-repair-bill-passes-in-ny-state:9 activism against thugs and criminals. http://techrights.org/2019/08/04/righttorepair/ [13:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Right to Repair bill PASSES in NY state senate! What now? [13:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsofts War on the Right to Repair (Ones Own Computers) Makes Lundgren an Enemy to Microsoft | Techrights [13:05] techrights-bot NEWS #TruthOut Business Coalition Spends Millions to Lobby Against Biden's Proposed Tax Hikes https://truthout.org/articles/business-coalition-spends-millions-to-lobby-against-bidens-proposed-tax-hikes/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722 [13:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Business Coalition Spends Millions to Lobby Against Biden's Proposed Tax Hikes [13:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | Reuters [13:07] techrights-bot #ibm #layoff #pip "guy i knew went to 100% club and 2 months later was on a pip" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bjfb0lj#replies [13:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Best of IBM - post regarding IBM layoffs [13:08] techrights-bot This #IBM company cant compete, cant fix anything, the only thing it knows how to do is to abandon stuff." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1beUeseK#replies they also attack decent people http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/ [13:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | When will next RA in System BU's Power Line - post regarding IBM layoffs [13:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | Techrights [13:08] techrights-bot New: "What does IBM do best? Answer: abandon stuff [...] IBM will end up a mainframe company only. The reason is because the mainframe is the only place where they have a monopoly and no competition." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1beUeseK#replies [13:09] techrights-bot New: " #OpenShift is already a commodity that #IBM wants the customers to pay for when they (customers) can get Kubernetes for free. Not to mention that a lot of customers see no point to run everything in containers. Bottom line, #RedHat will be sold off within 5 years at a huge loss." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1beUeseK#replies [13:11] techrights-bot The RSS feeds of the #meduza Web site has been down for over a week. They never reply when I report it to them. Their loss.... and they could really use allies at these times.... [13:11] *unoccupied is now known as leah [13:11] techrights-bot #Russia fines #Facebook , #Telegram over banned content https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-technology-government-and-politics-cea2b0203f13a2e6e17951f2eb570a31 #socialcontrolmedia #ru [13:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apnews.com | Russia fines Facebook, Telegram over banned content [13:12] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] wonder if schestowit-z will accept that other people were right about the direction freenode was going [13:12] schestowitz leah: what is your assessment of the situation? Or rather, what's going on at #fsf at the moment? [13:12] schestowitz I see you changed nickname [13:12] schestowitz immibis it's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy [13:12] schestowitz as they try to instigate the exodus [13:12] schestowitz and freenode doesn't know how to handle that [13:13] schestowitz freenode is now freenode's own enemy [13:13] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] freenode was freenode's own enemy since the first purge [13:16] schestowitz yes [13:16] schestowitz those 700 channel confiscation [13:16] schestowitz that was a MAJOR turning point [13:16] schestowitz presumption of innocence gone in 60 seconds [13:17] *chikorita (~chikorita@136.158.16.164) has joined #techrights [13:17] techrights-bot old: Massive dihydrogen monoxide leak at Cattenom nuclear plant https://today.rtl.lu/entertainment/the-luxembourg-wurst/a/1713768.html #luxembourg [13:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-today.rtl.lu | RTL Today - The Luxembourg Wurst: Massive dihydrogen monoxide leak at Cattenom nuclear plant [13:18] gustaf schestowitz: I tried to be fair and balanced about Gemini [13:18] schestowitz we have the next 7 parts ready for the EPO series [13:18] schestowitz lots of good findings in there [13:18] gustaf and that Flounder post is actually a defence [13:18] schestowitz gustaf: of gemini? [13:18] gustaf I suggest you read them before proclaiming it fud [13:18] gustaf yes [13:19] schestowitz let me reread more [13:19] schestowitz someone mailed it to me [13:19] schestowitz "What I'd argue, though, is that Gemini's "uselessness" is its killer feature [13:19] schestowitz Seems like partly tongue in cheek, so the title is clickbait [13:19] schestowitz the title says the opposite of what's true, maybe as means of sarcasm [13:19] schestowitz sarcastic headlines aren't helpful [13:20] schestowitz many people pre-judge by those [13:20] schestowitz some don't even click [13:20] schestowitz search engines, rss feeds [13:20] gustaf more discussions here https://lobste.rs/s/3nsvkk/gemini_is_useless && https://lobste.rs/s/vhlagb/why_gemini_is_not_my_favorite_internet [13:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lobste.rs | Gemini is Useless | Lobsters [13:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lobste.rs | Why Gemini is not my favorite internet protocol | Lobsters [13:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.45 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.18 swarm size (avg): 244.37 [13:20] gustaf also https://thomask.sdf.org/blog/2021/06/12/beyond-gemini.html [13:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thomask.sdf.org | Beyond Gemini? [13:21] schestowitz this one is new [13:21] schestowitz and related to the other (much older one) [13:21] schestowitz the headline is at least not misleading [13:22] schestowitz I do gemini with nano [13:22] gustaf there seems to be a lot of tension between those Gemini users who want to isolate themselves and those who want to proselytise [13:22] schestowitz and it's easy to run, maintain [13:22] schestowitz lots of good in it [13:22] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [13:22] gustaf even harder to convey meaning if you can't even bold or italic to emphasize ;) [13:23] gustaf HTML4 w/ minimal javascript (not 3rd party) is a sweet spot [13:23] gustaf Gemini goes too far imho [13:23] techrights-bot "I was wondering how I could setup a way to mirror my gemini site to HTML" (some sites like #distrotube already do just that) https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006679.html [13:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | A good way to generate HTML Pages from a static site [13:24] techrights-bot NEW: #gmitodo : Shared to-do/task list over #geminiProtocol https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006678.html [13:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [ANN] gmitodo: Shared to-do/task list [13:25] techrights-bot #MoonGem 1.4 + Docker Image https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006682.html #internet #geminiSpace #geminiProtocol [13:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | MoonGem 1.4 + Docker Image [13:25] schestowitz gustaf: you can [13:25] schestowitz e.g. Roy *IS* happy [13:25] schestowitz or it /isn't/ correct [13:26] schestowitz then, some gemini browsers might even deal with it as some email, nntp and irc clients do [13:26] schestowitz if you toggle that on [13:26] schestowitz and then that becomes a convention [13:26] schestowitz some social control media sites do the same [13:26] schestowitz but it doesn't pad the text with any additional meta cruft [13:26] schestowitz you could, in theory, also use unicode [13:26] schestowitz [13:27] schestowitz [13:27] schestowitz [13:27] schestowitz [13:27] schestowitz Even stuff like [13:27] schestowitz and it's all unicode [13:27] schestowitz fully supported by gemini (utf-8) [13:27] gustaf anyway I just wrote it in case I get into an argument on HN or something [13:27] gustaf and a buddy posted it to lobste.rs [13:27] schestowitz whether blind people with screen readers have software that kept up is another matter [13:27] gustaf damn RSS [13:28] gustaf Gemini needs a browser extension for Chrome/Firefox [13:28] gustaf also better discoverability [13:28] schestowitz there is [13:28] schestowitz but it sucks [13:28] gustaf :( [13:28] schestowitz it just links to a www proxy [13:28] schestowitz brave need to add nature support [13:28] schestowitz thunderbird now 'supports' gemini [13:28] schestowitz it recognise gemini:// links] [13:29] schestowitz then redirects clicks to mime type handling in OS/system level [13:29] schestowitz https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006641.html [13:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Packaging status of Gemini browsers in distros (was: Thunderbird 78.11.0 recognizes gemini:// URLs ! ) [13:29] schestowitz that's mozilla [13:29] schestowitz maybe they'll do something for mozilla firefox too, if the google masters allow their chef baker to shake their www monopoly [13:30] techrights-bot "The video which was supposed to be a few minutes long ended up taking a lot longer, but it does cover a broad range of topics that are relevant and very recent (based on recent developments). http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/gemini-ipfs-and-irc/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/13/gemini-ipfs-and-irc/ [13:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Update on Gemini, IPFS, and IRC | Techrights [13:32] techrights-bot #GitOps Days 2021 Tracklist https://daniel.holba.ch/blog/2021-06-13-gitops-days-2021-tracklist/ #daniel | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/13/#latest [13:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-daniel.holba.ch | GitOps Days 2021 Tracklist [13:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [13:32] techrights-bot Weekly poll results:#HarmonyOS shows early promise - GSMArena.com news https://www.gsmarena.com/weekly_poll_resultsharmonyos_gets_the_benefit_of_the_doubt-news-49556.php #gsmarena | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/13/#latest [13:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Weekly poll results:HarmonyOS shows early promise - GSMArena.com news [13:32] leah schestowitz: my assessment is that i just woke up, and haven't read the backlog yet. however, the new operators of #fsf have given me op power there [13:32] leah freenode #fsf that is [13:33] leah i'm now reading all my backlogs [13:33] schestowitz leah: we have the log [13:33] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/freenode-takes-control-of-fsf-channel.txt [13:33] schestowitz past 2 days, unedited [13:33] schestowitz someone there alleged techrights is "spam" [13:33] schestowitz no idea who that is [13:33] leah btw i'm neutral about freenode/libera. i regard the #fsf channel on freenode now as unofficial. the one on the other network is official [13:34] schestowitz leah: it is a false dichotomy to me [13:34] schestowitz RMS responded to me about it this mornign [13:34] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/gemini-ipfs-and-irc/ [13:34] schestowitz I think FSF would have considered self-hosting if it wasn't for all the surrounding stress and aftermath [13:34] *gnudist (~gnudist@47.61.25.115) has joined #techrights [13:34] schestowitz hi gnudist [13:34] gustaf schestowitz: I believe the people reacting to the Techrights link were the regulars in #fsf, not staff [13:35] gnudist schestowitz: hi [13:35] schestowitz maybe, but the nick sounds familiar [13:35] schestowitz "dragestil" [13:35] schestowitz maybe was here before.. let me check [13:35] gustaf and strictly speaking the link was off topic as it was a 3rd party communicating with the FSF, not the FSF site irself [13:35] schestowitz yes, was here before [13:35] schestowitz http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-230321.html [13:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 [13:35] schestowitz http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-070321.html [13:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, March 07, 2021 [13:36] schestowitz odd that someone lurking in our channels would say such a thing [13:36] schestowitz this is prior to those silly IRC wars [13:36] schestowitz gustaf: maybe an op there appreciated the coverage [13:36] gustaf btw, people seem to think root == rasengan [13:36] schestowitz who is in charge? [13:36] schestowitz channel op? the network? [13:37] schestowitz and if so, that should have people think deeply about all that clown computing of IRC [13:37] schestowitz they also k-lined all of IRCCloud afaict [13:37] leah um so [13:37] schestowitz rasengan uses Macs [13:37] leah i'm mostly just amused [13:37] schestowitz nobody but Apple has root on those [13:37] schestowitz Apple and NSA [13:37] leah i asked CrystalMath on a whim to give me op in #fsf [13:37] leah and i'm now op there [13:38] leah well, #fsf on freenode will provide a valuable service [13:38] leah i'm honoured to help out there, in running the channel [13:38] leah but i also support libera [13:38] leah libera and freenode are both excellent networks [13:38] schestowitz I support freedom [13:38] schestowitz and I think neither network understands what freedom is [13:38] leah i think freenode staff responded badly, but they'll need to start being benevolent or more people will leave [13:38] leah they were people who had no power, and who suddenly had power [13:38] schestowitz FSF is aware (by now) that some people who run LC are trying to remove RMS from FSF, which he founded [13:39] leah they responded with a ego trip, followed by panic when libera started. but i think things will calm down [13:39] gustaf well, Freenode literally removed FSF from their network [13:39] leah i will say, the new freenode staff seem to have a much more authoritarian style of leadership [13:39] schestowitz well, that's part of the problem [13:39] gustaf so it's actual vs theoretical [13:39] leah but hey [13:39] leah libera is a thing [13:39] schestowitz "show me your friend, I will tell you who/what you are" [13:39] leah > freenode staff were unhappy [13:39] leah > they made libera [13:39] schestowitz or "friends" [13:39] CrystalMath leah: well you entrusted me with ops on libreboot, and i hope i didn't let you down [13:40] leah CrystalMath: oh, i'm honoured, thank you [13:40] CrystalMath and i similarly hope you won't let me down [13:40] leah i'll serve #fsf proudly [13:40] CrystalMath :) [13:40] leah anyway, schestowitz you asked me for my opinion [13:40] leah let me summarize my opinions for you: [13:40] schestowitz hopefully not another fake "gnu" LOL [13:40] schestowitz the free collective foundation [13:41] leah * darth rasengan is a fine man, and freenode is great [13:41] leah * libera is also great [13:41] leah all hail our new leaders [13:41] leah ... [13:41] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] 2021-06-13 06:17:01bandaliv8, why did you "force transition" #gnu? [13:41] leah sorry, i'm being super flippant right now [13:41] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] 2021-06-13 07:14:51bandali (~bandali@fsf/emeritus/bandali) has quit (K-Lined) [13:41] leah but yeah freenode is... different now [13:41] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] great network! [13:41] leah let's just say different [13:41] schestowitz haha [13:41] schestowitz right you arr [13:41] leah i'm mainly amused, not horrified [13:41] leah i mean [13:41] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i'm just disappointed [13:41] leah people are treating all of this like a nasty cult just took over their government [13:42] schestowitz this is not good for IRC as a whole [13:42] CrystalMath v8 said that there's more than what was seen on the channel [13:42] leah when really it's just an irc network run by a couple of computer geeks [13:42] leah filled with other computer geeks [13:42] schestowitz they need to select carefully [13:42] leah and some people high on the spectrum wanted to change how it run. other people got pissed and made their own network, libera, in response [13:42] leah now there are two networks [13:42] leah i don't really see what the problem is [13:42] *inky (~inky@37.186.117.147) has joined #techrights [13:42] leah if you don't like freenode, use libera [13:42] schestowitz otherwise freenode is only "in name" and "in legacy (20+ years) [13:42] schestowitz like OSI [13:42] leah if you don't like libera, use freenode [13:42] schestowitz 1998-2020, RIP [13:42] leah if you're neutral, use both [13:43] schestowitz when patrick left, RIP [13:43] CrystalMath and there's more networks if you don't like either [13:43] CrystalMath OFTC, Hackint, .... [13:43] leah plus you can always self-host [13:43] schestowitz leah: we have our own network and I think we need many thousands of networks tbh [13:43] CrystalMath yeah [13:43] leah i'm spending today setting up my own custom ircd, just for my projects [13:43] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] CrystalMath: amin bandali is an extremely honorable person who has basically the respect of the entire FOSS community. there is no "explanation" [13:43] leah been distracted [13:43] schestowitz just like we have 100-200 million sites/domains [13:43] schestowitz 200 million domains, says netcraft [13:43] leah had some electronics projects to deal with for the last few days, but i'm working on an ircd now [13:43] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] they k-lined him for sport. [13:44] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] that's all there is to it. [13:44] schestowitz so you don't have twitter CEO saying, hey, let's move of INTERNET_GIANT/#Twitter to ANOTHER_INTERNET_GIANT/#Twitter [13:44] schestowitz we need more bridging software [13:45] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] anyway, the real solution is to make self-hosting irc infrastructure easier [13:45] schestowitz and services that can be self-hosted to bridge across [13:45] leah thing is though [13:45] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] which, i am working on slowly, but alpine consumes a lot of my time [13:45] leah fsf are good people [13:45] schestowitz Ariadne yes, that's the lesson [13:45] leah what is tr btw? [13:45] CrystalMath leah: irc.techrights.org [13:45] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] yes, fsf are good people [13:45] schestowitz leah: it's irc.techrights.org [13:45] leah oh techrights has its own ircd? [13:45] leah cool! [13:45] schestowitz we have our own irc network now [13:45] CrystalMath i think running unrealircd [13:45] leah well of course it is [13:46] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] my opinions on RMS have even softened [13:46] leah ariadne is a contributor to unrealircd [13:46] chikorita huh, let me join that in my real nick [13:46] schestowitz CrystalMath: npo [13:46] schestowitz no. different ircd [13:46] *chikorita (~chikorita@136.158.16.164) has left #techrights ("joining the tr irc") [13:46] CrystalMath schestowitz: oh, hmm [13:46] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] no, it runs some go thing [13:46] leah 2nd largest, according to github stats. and ariadne owns the infra for techrights [13:46] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] that i threw up [13:46] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] in like [13:46] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] 15 minutes [13:46] leah oh, not unreal lol [13:46] leah anyway [13:46] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] yes, i would like it if people [13:46] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] stop mentioning [13:46] leah schestowitz: can you share with me the source code for that bot? [13:46] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] that i own the infra for techrights [13:46] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] :p [13:46] schestowitz we use go implementation of ipfs also, it's a MASSIVE number of files [13:46] schestowitz I was astounded [13:47] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] people blame me for whatever hot take schestowitz has [13:47] leah schestowitz: i want to do the same thing. self-hosted ircd and bridge freenode, libera and self-hosted ircd [13:47] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] it is quite tiring [13:47] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] we should talk leah [13:47] leah do you have the bot in a repo somewhere, schestowitz ? [13:47] schestowitz maybe #fsf can do that [13:47] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i can tell you how the setup works [13:47] leah Ariadne, talk? [13:47] schestowitz leah: which bot? [13:47] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] well [13:47] leah sure, where? [13:47] schestowitz there are several [13:47] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] write PRIVMSGs to each other [13:47] leah talking to you would be, interesting [13:47] *tr-bridge [job/tr] was chikorita btw [13:48] leah i'm curious what you want to talk to me about [13:48] tr-bridge [job/tr] damn this network is good, you can use certs instead of passwords [13:48] leah how do i PM you ariadne [13:48] *tr-bridge [job/tr] adds this network to the startup [13:48] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] well, just the whole irc thing [13:48] leah join irc.techrights.org? [13:48] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] if you wanted to know about the setup [13:48] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] sure [13:48] schestowitz leah: just don't fight with people :-) [13:48] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] leah is cool [13:48] leah hm [13:49] leah well i don't like to fight, no [13:49] tr-bridge [job/tr] Ariadne: indeed [13:49] leah i prefer to unify people [13:49] schestowitz we tried that with IRC at the start [13:49] schestowitz early may [13:49] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] although we fell on opposite sides of the RMS issue, my opinions have evolved since then [13:49] tr-bridge [unoccupied/tr] tis i [13:49] tr-bridge [leah/tr] i will register my nick here [13:49] schestowitz RMS talks about difficult subject and cannot foresee the cost of it [13:50] schestowitz like taking to Brazilian about overpopualtion on May 31st [13:50] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ [13:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | Techrights [13:50] schestowitz which obviously put some people off [13:50] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i think that we should focus on software freedom, not what RMS does [13:50] schestowitz I mean, come on, Brazil isn't Norway [13:50] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [13:50] tr-bridge [leah/tr] Ariadne: you wishet to speak with me [13:50] schestowitz rianne goes on VPN [13:50] tr-bridge [leah/tr] shall i p myou? [13:51] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] sure [13:51] schestowitz :-D [13:51] tr-bridge [leah/tr] to confirm that i am the real leah rowe, i will type "oranges" into techrights on freenode [13:51] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] quick question on ipfs, how does a node decide which files to store locally? [13:51] leah oranges [13:51] leah also pears [13:51] schestowitz immibis you decide by pinning it [13:51] schestowitz ipfs pin [hasg] [13:51] schestowitz [hash] [13:51] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] oh so you just have to tell it all the files to store, ok [13:51] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [13:51] schestowitz we need more people to pin our hashes, it would help [13:52] schestowitz http://techrights.org/ipfs/ or raw text http://techrights.org/ipfs/ [13:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [13:52] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] those are the same link [13:52] schestowitz http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt/ [13:52] schestowitz yes, blame firefox [13:52] schestowitz firefox knows better than me [13:53] schestowitz even Google is not having a me culpa on their "smart" address bar [13:53] schestowitz *mea [13:53] tr-bridge [job/tr] seamonkey ftw [13:53] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] e.g. https://www.osnews.com/story/133550/google-ends-its-attack-on-the-url-bar-resumes-showing-full-address-in-chrome/ [13:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google ends its attack on the URL bar, resumes showing full address in Chrome OSnews [13:53] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] so hypothetically if someone wanted to pin techrights they'd have to scrape that page and then run a script to `ipfs pin` every entry in the list? that seems incredibly inconvenient [13:54] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] or part of it [13:54] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] like the bulletins only [13:54] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/ipfs/bulletins.html [13:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [13:54] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] those contain all articles and daily links as plain text [13:55] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] very compressible too [13:59] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:59] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152238 [13:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [13:59] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Jun 13 [14:01] schestowitz job Falkon is also good [14:01] schestowitz it's my default browser since about 5-6 years ago when it was still known as qupzilla (I use that too on older distros, two laptops) [14:02] tr-bridge [job/tr] It's Chromium-based though :\ [14:02] schestowitz job: it's a KDE project, so they're not interesting in your data [14:02] tr-bridge [job/tr] Though if you don't mind Chromium it's a decent browser I guess [14:02] schestowitz Konqueror also [14:02] schestowitz Waterfox is DO NOT TOUCH [14:02] tr-bridge [job/tr] I know, but then there's the monoculture in engines [14:02] tr-bridge [job/tr] Yeah I agree about Waterfox [14:02] schestowitz they'r covertly sold to the same spying firm that picked startpage [14:02] schestowitz "system1" [14:03] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Startpage [14:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Startpage - Techrights [14:03] tr-bridge [job/tr] Not only they are now owned by an advertising company, they are also killing off new XUL development [14:03] tr-bridge [job/tr] really pissed off about that [14:03] schestowitz wasn't saving xul their whole purpose? [14:03] tr-bridge [job/tr] well they do still support xul, but that's not enough to save xul [14:04] tr-bridge [job/tr] there needs to be new development [14:04] tr-bridge [job/tr] Waterfox encourages a mentality to consume an add-on and don't care about it [14:05] tr-bridge [job/tr] Pale Moon has tried to jumpstart new XUL add-ons development by disallowing support for extensions only targetting Firefox, and a lot of users are mad about it [14:05] techrights-bot TIL I learned #uk #nurses can get other vaccines (not that AZ trash) if they wish. A relative of mine got an alternative. Good. Better. [14:06] tr-bridge [job/tr] It just shows how a lot of people see XUL browsers as a way to keep using their old, dead extensions, rather than a powerful browser in its own right [14:06] schestowitz job firefox was better in the past than it is today, except page compatibility [14:06] tr-bridge [job/tr] indeed [14:06] schestowitz Mozilla it to Firefox what freenode is to freenode \0/ [14:08] techrights-bot Yes, please, give that UNIX... bottle?! https://morganton.com/news/local/unix-bottling-plant-hiring-100-plus-before-july-opening/article_9d29e08c-caff-11eb-8231-f7b266335621.html [14:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unix bottling plant hiring 100-plus before July opening | Local News | morganton.com [14:09] tr-bridge [job/tr] that bottle is in violation of the Unix philosophy [14:10] techrights-bot I see that #microsoft booster #thurrott had his sites come to a standstill and his own site became just some random forum with stuff 'borrowed' from other sites. Why does #googleNews index it? It's also "BWW Media Group" (not Paul) [14:11] schestowitz job: so is RHEL and its many clones [14:11] schestowitz inc. Debian and downstream Ubuntu, Kylin etc. [14:11] schestowitz everything as a file became everything as a service [14:11] schestowitz even your homedir LOL [14:11] schestowitz service stop home! [14:11] tr-bridge [job/tr] heh [14:12] tr-bridge [job/tr] systemd-homed [14:12] tr-bridge [job/tr] systemd-kerneld [14:12] schestowitz not yet [14:12] schestowitz you spoil the surprise [14:13] schestowitz At least now that Red Hat is owned by IBM we know what LP had in mine with D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehomag?wprov=srpw1_0 [14:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Dehomag - Wikipedia [14:14] techrights-bot Cars inside computers aren't a major advancement. I had my laptop in my car back in the 1990s as a teen, e.g. playing music to the stereo over the jack (and no, that laptop could not hijack the car!) https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/toyota-motor-north-america-introduces-next-generation-multimedia-system-to-deliver-best-in-car-user-experience-301311134.html [14:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Toyota Motor North America Introduces Next-Generation Multimedia System To Deliver Best In-Car User Experience [14:16] techrights-bot 'Smart' cars: cars you are forced to buy bundles with computers... and worse yet, computers you cannot take home, reuse elsewhere etc. (usually super-expensive to repair too). 'Smart' cars? For gullible cons0000mers. [14:17] techrights-bot After "smart" cars we'll have smart loos that let you do 'infotainment'... and treble the cost of the bowl. Good for businesses that sell this shit. Oops, did I say shit? [14:18] techrights-bot You need a computer on your microwave (with microphone connected to #bezos over #wifi or BT) as much as you need an all-in-one aquarium inside your sedan [14:20] techrights-bot Bobby Borisov should know better and NOT promote this: https://linuxiac.com/openjdk-11-microsoft-build/ this is an ATTACK on #java and on #FreeSW ... same as the old tricks from #microsoft http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/java-schism-to-wrest-control/ maybe Oracle should sue Microsoft, not #google over Linux-powered Android [14:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | OpenJDK 11 Microsoft Build Goes General Availability [14:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Historys Lesson: Microsoft Now Does to GNU/Linux What It Did to Java (Creating Schism to Wrest Control) | Techrights [14:21] techrights-bot "In this video, I am going to show an overview of #Ubuntu #Unity 21.04 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un2xUNXpzKk #gnu #linux [14:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ubuntu Unity 21.04 overview | UNITY7 MODERNIZED. - YouTube [14:22] techrights-bot #Top 10 free open-source RSS feed readers for Linux desktops http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152239 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 10 free open-source RSS feed readers for Linux desktops | Tux Machines [14:27] techrights-bot Linux 5.14 To Begin Enabling The Intel #Graphics TTM Memory Management Bits for dGPUs - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-TTM-dGPUs-LMEM #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/13/#latest [14:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.14 To Begin Enabling The Intel Graphics TTM Memory Management Bits for dGPUs - Phoronix [14:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [14:29] techrights-bot Web Sheriff Targets Ubuntu.com URLs With Overbroad Takedown Notices http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152240 [14:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Web Sheriff Targets Ubuntu.com URLs With Overbroad Takedown Notices | Tux Machines [14:32] techrights-bot When you can tell news is slow: @michaelLarabal I'ma gonna write about ma table again ;-) https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=L-Shaped-Desk-Holding-Up [14:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Last Year's L-Shaped Desk Build Has Been Holding Up Well - Phoronix [14:34] techrights-bot #Simsu 1.4.0 released https://gottcode.org/simsu/ #freesw with Telugu translation ;-) [14:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gottcode.org | Simsu [14:35] techrights-bot Geo #replication with #syncthing https://iranzo.io/blog/2021/06/12/geo-replication-with-syncthing/ by Pablo Iranzo Gmez [14:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iranzo.io | Geo replication withsyncthing Pablo Iranzo Gmez's blog [14:36] *oxek (oxek@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/oxek) has joined #techrights [14:36] techrights-bot #SmachZ s Final Message - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/smach-zs-final-message/ #boilingsteam | making mockups and promises is easier than prototypes and actual products, esp. on the #internet [14:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Smach Z's Final Message - Boiling Steam [14:37] *oxek (oxek@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/oxek) has left #techrights [14:37] techrights-bot To see #techrights IRC channel in (almost) real time people can now visit http://techrights.org/irc/ any time of the day (time delay less than 5 mins) [14:38] *IroncladCorona (~jon@64.121.152.202) has joined #techrights [14:49] techrights-bot LOL. #windows from #microsoft ... gives us your arm and a leg. "Configuration pricing varies from about $1800 to a maxed-out $5160." https://pocketnow.com/hp-zbook-studio-review it does mention "Debian Linux" along the way, but it means #WSL which is an ATTACK on #gnu #linux [14:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pocketnow.com | HP zBook Studio review: an awesome mobile workstation [14:50] techrights-bot #wsl is SOOOO popular that its own people quit in droves :-) and hardly anybody uses this crap. http://techrights.org/2021/06/01/the-death-of-wsl-and-wsl2/ #wsl2 #microsoft #RIP [14:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Death of WSL and WSL2 | Techrights [14:52] techrights-bot #WSL and #WSL2 as projects were based on a delusion, or the laughable illusion that developers cannot cope with Virtual Machines or that developers wanted/needed #microsoft #windows #vista10 [14:53] *acer-box__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [14:54] techrights-bot On #ibm #scam for MBAs, only a minute ago: "It always struck me as one of those programs that was more about the execs having a nice trip at the company's expense. The "honorees" are really only there to provide cover." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bjfb0lj#replies also see https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/17/ibm_exec_payouts/ [14:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Best of IBM - post regarding IBM layoffs [14:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | IBM's CEO and outgoing exec chairman take home $38m in total for 2020 despite revenue shrinking by billions The Register [14:54] *acer-box__ (~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [14:54] -NickServ-acer-box__!~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1 has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [14:54] *acer-box__ has quit (Changing host) [14:54] *acer-box__ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [14:56] techrights-bot #cnbc is little but megaphone of propaganda arm for companies that SPY on you the MOST, e.g. #Amazon , #Microsoft and #IBM https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/12/a-year-later-tech-companies-calls-to-regulate-facial-recognition-met-with-little-progress.html original headline: "A year later, tech companies' calls to regulate facial recognition met with little progress" [14:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Rules around facial recognition and policing remain blurry [14:56] techrights-bot #IBM yearns for the good old days of tattooing people with numbers/barcodes (good old PROFITABLE days) http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/ [14:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | Techrights [14:58] techrights-bot Edwin Black on #IBM founder "Watson being criminal sociopath (thats according to Black), who was convicted on extortion and should have been in prison before his time in IBM" (months old interview) http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/edwin-black-2021/ [14:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New Interview With Edwin Black: IBM Has Never Apologised, Instead It Hid Its Role in Nazi Germany | Techrights [14:58] psydroid in 5 years they went from 4 cores and 8 GB of RAM to 6 slightly better cores and 16-32 GB of RAM [14:58] psydroid that's real progress [14:58] psydroid made possible by Microsoft and Intel [14:59] *Techrights-sec has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [14:59] schestowitz but look at the price LOL [14:59] schestowitz I got mine for 200 pounds [14:59] psydroid yeah [14:59] schestowitz 4 cores [14:59] schestowitz 8GB of RAM [14:59] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [14:59] schestowitz HP, same brand.. [14:59] schestowitz so if you add 50% in cores the price is like 300% higher ● Jun 13 [15:00] schestowitz maybe Microsoft/HP thinks it can find more cults like Apple shoppers [15:00] psydroid competitors selling products with AMD and ARM chips should eat their lunch [15:00] schestowitz IIRC, Spamnil paid $15,000 for a 'MAC' PC [15:00] schestowitz and then he moaned in Twitter that he needs to reboot it every day ^_^ [15:01] psydroid self-flagellation is hard to resist [15:02] techrights-bot In 2021 this is just insane or villainous. UPC is dead and some law firms still speak about it like it's a 'thing'. https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/unitary-patents-the-unified-patent-32614/ [15:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unitary Patents, the Unified Patent Court, Opt-Out Timing, Pros and Cons | Winstead PC - JDSupra [15:04] techrights-bot FASTER, USPTO, FASTER!!!! Grant 111,000,000 MILLION #patents per DAY!!! INNOVA~1 would SOAR!! https://www.worldipreview.com/news/uspto-issues-11-millionth-patent-21340 [15:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldipreview.com | USPTO issues 11 millionth patent [15:07] techrights-bot Why on Earth are #patents being granted on life and nature as if those are inventions? Because lobbying, bribery and entryism basically shadow-write the laws? Or break the law ever so nonchalantly? https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/uc-berkeley-crispr-patent-revoked-in-9535636/ [15:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-UC Berkeley CRISPR Patent Revoked in Europe Due To Invalid Priority Claim | Proskauer - Minding Your Business - JDSupra [15:08] techrights-bot Say "Hi!" to our HEY HI HEY HI HEY "experts" https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1076906/meet-our-ai-experts I am an expert in "Aura"... come pay me $300 per hour. [15:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Meet Our AI Experts - Intellectual Property - UK [15:11] techrights-bot Barry Kluwer of #easyOS and #puppylinux blogs a lot about camping/trekking/hiking in #australia these days. His latest: https://bkhome.org/news/202106/stealth-camping.html [15:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | Stealth camping [15:12] techrights-bot #Wasmtime 0.28 Released With #CPP Embedding Support - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Wasmtime-0.28-Released #Phoronix #Programming [15:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wasmtime 0.28 Released With C++ Embedding Support - Phoronix [15:16] techrights-bot Week #1 - #GSoC Weekly Report - 100 Paper Cuts https://bayramcicek.com.tr/libreoffice-dev/2021/06/13/week-01-gsoc.html #libreoffice [15:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bayramcicek.com.tr | Week #1 - GSoC Weekly Report - 100 Paper Cuts | Bayram ieks website [15:16] *Techrights-sec has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [15:16] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [15:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.78 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 15.41 swarm size (avg): 244.42 [15:22] techrights-bot Supposed #security in a buzzword that typically connotes the very opposite or antithesis of real security https://www.ubuntupit.com/top-secure-iot-devices-building-trust-in-iot-devices/ [15:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntupit.com | Top 10 Secure IoT Devices | Building Trust in IoT Devices [15:24] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] as far as i can tell, bandali was k-lined for saying: [15:24] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] 2021-06-13 07:07:01bandalithank you ggoes [15:24] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] 2021-06-13 07:07:15bandalilol no flooding, then proceeds to flood the channel. nice [15:24] *acer-box__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [15:24] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] on #fsf [15:25] *acer-box__ (~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [15:25] -NickServ-acer-box__!~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1 has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [15:25] *acer-box__ has quit (Changing host) [15:25] *acer-box__ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [15:25] techrights-bot Oh, go blame science fiction for people being sceptical of something approved in 10 times less the usual time it takes (clinical trials etc.) http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/how-star-trek-may-be-contributing-to.html [15:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | How Star Trek may be contributing to COVID-19 vaccine skepticism - The IPKat [15:25] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] thanks gustaf for the logs and schestowitz for forwarding them on [15:26] schestowitz Ariadne yes, I saw that [15:26] schestowitz but there was another thing said [15:26] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] what is the allegation? [15:26] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] that bandali said something mean in PM or something? [15:26] schestowitz Ariadne I cated then into a text file and put them in http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/freenode-takes-control-of-fsf-channel.txt [15:26] schestowitz *cat'ed them [15:27] -NickServ-acer-box____!~acer-box@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [15:27] *acer-box____ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [15:28] *acer-box__ has quit (Client Quit) [15:28] MinceR 13 131207 < tr-bridge> [immibis/tr] I don't think so. I think he just likes having power and doesn't like people leaving his sphere of power [15:28] MinceR so why does he k-line them then? [15:28] MinceR it should be easy to understand that that decreases number of users :> [15:29] schestowitz 2021-06-12 21:10:26root has kicked Irydacea (Irydacea) [15:29] schestowitz 2021-06-12 21:10:30root has kicked yanmaani (yanmaani) [15:29] schestowitz 2021-06-12 21:10:06root has kicked Wulf (Wulf) [15:29] schestowitz I missed these before [15:29] schestowitz [12:35] 2021-06-13 07:07:15 bandali lol no flooding, then proceeds to flood the channel. nice [15:29] MinceR 13 132435 < tr-bridge> [immibis/tr] when has fascism ever worked? [15:29] *Techrights-sec has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [15:29] MinceR seems to be working in hungary since 2010, at least as far as keeping power goes [15:29] MinceR it's an epidemic [15:30] schestowitz [12:33] 2021-06-13 07:06:23 bandali what the fuck does that mean? [15:30] schestowitz [12:31] 2021-06-13 07:05:23 bandali so now the official announcement by the fsf is spam? [15:31] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [15:33] schestowitz oh, crap. I merged the wrong files, one is a freenode log [15:33] schestowitz will correct [15:33] schestowitz cat '#freenode.06-12.weechatlog' '#freenode.06-13.weechatlog' > freenode-take-control-of-fsf-channel.txt [15:34] *Techrights-sec has quit (Client Quit) [15:34] schestowitz cat '#fsf.06-12.weechatlog' '#fsf.06-13.weechatlog' > fsf-channel-canceled.txt [15:35] schestowitz more informative now: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/freenode-takes-control-of-fsf-channel.txt [15:35] schestowitz and at the same time in #fsf http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/fsf-channel-canceled.txt [15:37] schestowitz When I read that I assumed "what the fuck does that mean?" could be interpreted as rude [15:37] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [15:39] MinceR 13 144256 < leah> if you're neutral, use both [15:39] MinceR what if i hate them both? [15:39] techrights-bot Totally useless 'fact' https://southfloridareporter.com/drawing-29249-smiley-faces-is-what-it-takes-to-drain-a-standard-ballpoint-pen/ how big a face? What diameter? Facepalm.... [15:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-southfloridareporter.com | Drawing 29,249 Smiley Faces Is What It Takes To Drain A Standard Ballpoint Pen - South Florida Reporter [15:44] techrights-bot "And please stop bandying around the perjorative term "anti-vaxxer". [...] No doubt there are people out there who, for example, have an idealogical opposition to fizzy drinks, but we don't call them anti-HFCSers and treat them with such disdain." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/how-star-trek-may-be-contributing-to.html?showComment=1623275582797#c6327681984001024826 [15:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | How Star Trek may be contributing to COVID-19 vaccine skepticism - The IPKat [15:45] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: The mistake wasn't the channel take-over, the mistake was having false-positives. [15:45] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: What happened to the FSF channels wasn't just predicted, it is a freenode policy. [15:47] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] I guess rasengan abandoned the idea of redirecting to the ## channels [15:47] techrights-bot Oh my God, #TeamUPC has not quit lying about the #UPC and Kluwer #Patent blogger still gives a platform to those self-serving professional liars, putting utter lies as headlines with quotes around them http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/11/kevin-mooney-new-years-of-delay-for-unified-patent-court-unlikely/ [15:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Kevin Mooney: New years of delay for Unified Patent Court unlikely - Kluwer Patent Blog [15:48] techrights-bot Kevin Mooney has a long and extensive history of lying about the UPC, e.g. http://techrights.org/2018/12/01/upc-unitary-patent-gyimah/ http://techrights.org/2020/04/06/blaming-the-wife/ http://techrights.org/2018/11/29/upc-might-already-be-dead/ [15:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Science Minister Sam Gyimah, Who Tactlessly Ratified UPC in the UK, Has Just Resigned | Techrights [15:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fall of the UPC Part XII: Doing the Unthinkable by Blaming the Judges (Justices) Wife? | Techrights [15:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Even Sites That Served UPC Propaganda for Years (for These Sites Owners) Have Come to Admit That the UPC Might Already be Dead | Techrights [15:49] MinceR secret policy [15:50] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I mean, the last incident was justified by it. [15:50] techrights-bot "With due respect to his person, I think that Mr Mooney has missed an opportunity to keep quiet." LOL! Why does Kluwer give a platform to liars?! http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/11/kevin-mooney-new-years-of-delay-for-unified-patent-court-unlikely/#comments [15:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Kevin Mooney: New years of delay for Unified Patent Court unlikely - Kluwer Patent Blog [15:50] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] rasengan apologised for the takeover bot being buggy. [15:50] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] but the intention behind the bot that was well, intentional. [15:51] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] and rasengan demonstrated an inability to learn from it [15:51] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: He thinks that the problem is the bugs exclusively maybe. [15:51] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] FSF's channels were taken over smoothly, no bugs there. [15:51] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i thought he wasn't that dumb [15:51] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] but whatever [15:52] schestowitz he left this channel days ago [15:52] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: The TOTP incident is kind of telling. [15:52] schestowitz sometimes it's easier when people do not ask questions :-D [15:52] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: it would be, if more than speculation was known about it [15:53] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] "secret policy" is right. Freenode staff keep making up more innocent-seeming policies that appear consistent with their actions, and people like schestowitz buy those policies instead of looking deeper [15:54] schestowitz Like I said earlier today, at this point freenode is freenode's biggest enemy [15:54] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] no, "people like schestowitz" had better things to do than try to predict what the new staff was going to do [15:54] schestowitz A lot of chaos could be avoided with a hands-off policy/approach [15:54] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] we would find out eventually anyway [15:54] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] and we did [15:54] schestowitz MinceR: did you read our parts about Hungary? [15:55] schestowitz Another one coming tomorrow morning [15:55] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] some of them [15:55] schestowitz cool [15:55] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] in fairness, schestowitz, andrew did figure out some buttons to push with you that got you supporting him for a while [15:55] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i didn't find the question of who ficsor's father was to be all that interesting [15:55] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: The initial suspicion, why I think it can only be this way (the Speculation) is that because it's an Organisation on Gandi, and the individual accounts (freenode Ltd., tomaw, kevin) are merely connecting to it, there's just no way for tomaw to impose a particular 2FA for the whole thing. He can only add it for his own account. But (!) it's a very reasonable idea to have a [15:55] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] 2FA-restriction as an [15:55] *phebus (~phebus@fsf/member/phebus) has joined #techrights [15:55] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Organisation policy. [15:55] schestowitz MinceR: nepotism and all [15:56] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] schestowitz/fn: also, it's misspelled as "Fiscsor" several times [15:56] schestowitz MinceR: so I should correct it... [15:56] leah MinceR: if you hate both, then still use both, begrudgingly [15:57] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] :> [15:57] leah because the other networks suck even more [15:57] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] no [15:57] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: tomaw just couldn't've locked rasengan out without cracking the individual account. [15:57] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] oftc sucks more, maybe ircnet sucks more [15:57] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] but there are several networks that are much better [15:57] leah irc has always been a shitshow [15:57] schestowitz oh, I see in part 4 [15:57] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: when the first purge happened, smart people looked at what happened, and thought "Oh, freenode is trying to stop people moving to libera." Stupid people looked at it and thought "Oh, freenode is trying to stop people mentioning libera in channel topics." [15:57] leah now you have global warming mixed in. the planet is hotter. so peoples blood boil hotter [15:57] schestowitz a misspelling repeated [15:57] leah and now irc is more insane. this is my scientific opinion [15:57] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] there was even a network that used some IRCX server, but they eventually came to their senses and stopped [15:58] schestowitz fixed in about 10 places in part 10 now, MinceR [15:58] MinceR leah: also, higher CO2 concentration apparently makes people act stupider :> [15:58] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] nice [15:58] leah really? [15:59] schestowitz just searched whole DB [15:59] leah good thing i live in the suburbs then. more trees here [15:59] schestowitz Search results for Fiscsor No posts found. [15:59] schestowitz so it was just in part 4, a copy-pastes carried-on typo ● Jun 13 [16:00] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] [09:57:52] there was even a network that used some IRCX server, but they eventually came to their senses and stopped [16:00] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i'm literally writing an ircx server [16:00] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] uhh [16:00] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] lol [16:00] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] why though [16:00] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] with a lot of modifications [16:00] schestowitz I have that typo in part 8 too, but it's not published yet [16:00] schestowitz it shows that "fixer" attacking RMS [16:00] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] it is a reasonable way to solve the "services database" problem [16:00] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] having services in every ircd? [16:00] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] right [16:00] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] didn't PTLink ircd already do that? [16:01] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] thats what ircx basically does [16:01] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] no [16:01] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] ptlink still had services [16:01] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] it had server-side mlock though [16:01] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] also, ergo also seems to have it [16:01] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] yes, but ergo isn't clusterable [16:01] schestowitz MinceR: it's good that you spot such stuff [16:02] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: So that's the Speculation. I then asked someone I trust about whether that's a correct estimation, they confirmed. Don't know if I should share that or not. [16:02] schestowitz the accused would typically hand-wave, with "well, they can't even spell the name right, so the WHOLE article is "defamation"" [16:02] MinceR leah: https://archive.thinkprogress.org/exclusive-elevated-co2-levels-directly-affect-human-cognition-new-harvard-study-shows-2748e7378941/ [16:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.thinkprogress.org | Exclusive: Elevated CO2 Levels Directly Affect Human Cognition, New Harvard StudyShows ThinkProgress [16:02] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] ircx lets you distribute the entire services database to all nodes [16:02] leah i mean [16:02] leah it makes sense [16:02] leah you need oxygen in your brain [16:02] leah when deprived of it, you can't focus as much [16:02] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] what's special about IRCX in this regard? [16:02] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] nothing really [16:02] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] it just already exists [16:03] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] so i adapted it to suit my needs [16:03] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] why reinvent the wheel when the wheel is already usable [16:04] techrights-bot 17 mins ago: " My manager tried to convince me that in the remote town where #ibm is the only (major) tech employer, i am getting paid more than median salary for that town. Can you believe how illogical that sounds!!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bgZ1XHP#replies [16:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Instead of raise, you can only get an excuse - post regarding IBM layoffs [16:05] *phebus has quit (Quit: POKE 1,0) [16:06] techrights-bot #ibm robbed by management, think IBM insiders. Latest: "Don't even get to bring anyone and there is mandatory bullshyte you need to attend Just give me the money" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bjfb0lj#replies see https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/17/ibm_exec_payouts/ [16:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Best of IBM - post regarding IBM layoffs [16:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | IBM's CEO and outgoing exec chairman take home $38m in total for 2020 despite revenue shrinking by billions The Register [16:07] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] formatting doesn't seem to come across the bridge inside notices [16:07] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: There is root on macOS. [16:07] MinceR foo bar baz [16:07] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] ah, not even in messages :> [16:07] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Yea, it doesn't. [16:07] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] yeah, apparently the plan for macOS is to replace it with iOS (or iPadOS or whatever) entirely instead of turning it into another iOS [16:08] schestowitz MinceR: I checked parts 9-12 [16:08] schestowitz the typo was not repeated in them [16:08] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] > I asked CrystalMath on a whim to give me op in #fsf, and i'm now op there [16:08] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath's loyalty has been rewarded? [16:08] schestowitz I just know the minds of those crooks, who use any typo to distract from the actual substance [16:08] schestowitz "x can't spell y right, hence a-z is all false" [16:09] CrystalMath leah has been on #fsf longer than me, had she not been *unfairly* quieted she would have gotten ops from staff [16:09] CrystalMath unfairly quieted by johnsu01 [16:09] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] CrystalMath: I mean, ye're staff now? [16:09] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] or just contacted one? [16:09] CrystalMath no, i'm an op of #fsf [16:09] schestowitz [16:07] [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: There is root on macOS. <<<<<<<<<< read the next line or few lines, I was making a joke [16:10] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Ah, okay. [16:10] CrystalMath staff asked for volunteers to keep the #fsf channel [16:10] schestowitz it's also hard to root [16:10] CrystalMath they weren't called, per se [16:10] schestowitz by design [16:10] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] which staff [16:10] CrystalMath v8 [16:10] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] so in other words not FSF staff [16:10] CrystalMath freenode staff, yes, sorry for not being clear [16:10] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Ariadne: Those are clearly traitors :) [16:10] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] well i didnt want to say it :) [16:11] schestowitz FSF-Kape [16:11] schestowitz Kapo [16:11] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo [16:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Kapo - Wikipedia [16:11] schestowitz though I should be careful with such jokes [16:11] schestowitz as it's an Israel company.. [16:11] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] my partner has a libreboot laptop [16:11] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] thinkpad t whatever the fuck [16:11] *Techrights-sec2 (~quassel@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [16:11] CrystalMath the reason why i got it is because i was already planned to be an op on ##fsf, which the FSF planned to succeed the original channel [16:12] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] giant thick thing that you can beat someone with [16:12] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:12] schestowitz it would be weird if they can make new-#channel [16:12] schestowitz to act like controllers in the shadow for many projects [16:12] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] hi yes [16:12] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] thats what andrew wants [16:12] schestowitz exerting control from behind the scenes with ops in their pockets [16:12] schestowitz not literally [16:12] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] ive been saying this for weeks now [16:12] schestowitz but they can de-op them [16:13] schestowitz for example a freenode (kape) controlled #python [16:13] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] yes [16:13] schestowitz it's a lot of power and we discussed the same wrt to LC [16:13] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] im glad you get it now [16:13] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Ariadne: T500? [16:13] schestowitz like their imposter #techrights channel there [16:13] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] yeah thats the one [16:13] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] schestowitz if you did a group reg over there they would give it to you [16:14] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] they just dont want to touch techrights with a 10 foot pole otherwise [16:14] *acer-box____ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:14] schestowitz I think it would then lead to questions like, why not those other 400 networks as well? [16:14] -NickServ-acer-box____!~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1 has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [16:14] *acer-box____ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [16:14] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] sure [16:14] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Ariadne: Excuse me, 3 metre pole [16:14] schestowitz namespace in irc is like this... [16:15] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] as i said i think self hosting is really ideal [16:15] MinceR Munchkin d20 has an 11-foot pole [16:15] schestowitz most of them seem european [16:15] MinceR specifically for traps that are designed to deal with 10-foot poles [16:15] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] and im working to make that easy, but the work is slow because alpine has to come first [16:16] schestowitz I didn't know Poles could be that too [16:16] schestowitz *tall [16:16] MinceR :> [16:17] schestowitz 6 ft 11 in (2.11 m) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcin_Gortat [16:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Marcin Gortat - Wikipedia [16:17] *blakewoo is now known as blakewo [16:17] schestowitz close, but no cigar (that's what she said) [16:17] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] i see IRC as the best and most flexible libre communication tool [16:17] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] it just needs to be packaged well [16:17] schestowitz the tallest person was about 2.70m [16:18] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] matrix really sucks [16:18] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] It really does. [16:18] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] you cant even ban people without a bot [16:18] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] lol [16:18] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] are they planning to fix that? [16:18] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] like you can but you cant like ban their home server [16:18] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] so you have to just sit there [16:18] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] and ban [16:18] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] and ban [16:18] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] and ban [16:19] techrights-bot Screw those #patents ... those #patent #monopolies kill a lot of people on many levels https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/10/european-parliament-endorses-vaccine-patent-waiver-eu-urged-stop-putting-pharma [16:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | As European Parliament Endorses Vaccine Patent Waiver, EU Urged to Stop Putting Pharma Profits Over Human Life | Common Dreams News [16:19] tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] until they get bored and stop making new accounts [16:19] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] I had an XMPP MUC that's connected to Matrix, but their database broke and now it's forever dead. [16:19] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] unfixable [16:19] schestowitz no backups? [16:19] schestowitz iirc, esr's blog collapses due to db issues [16:19] schestowitz it never truly recovered [16:19] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] No, they changed the domain names and now there's inconsistency in their database. [16:20] schestowitz maybe he was busy with guns, sex and booze and didn't bother making/checking his backups [16:20] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] which is not mitigatable [16:20] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] CrystalMath: congratulations on identifying that freenode staff do not give a shit about you and they will not give you kickbacks for licking their boots in the past [16:20] schestowitz I have a pane in tmux devoted just to displaying DB backup state 24/7 :-) [16:21] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] leah: The bridge is matterbridge, I can give you the config. [16:22] techrights-bot A "pharmacist" as just a glorified, professional and authorised "DRUG DEALERS" :-) https://www.wfmj.com/story/44051601/the-latest-ex-pharmacist-gets-3-years-in-jail-for-tampering [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Latest: Melbourne's 4th pandemic lockdown to end Friday - WFMJ.com [16:22] techrights-bot A "pharmacist" as just a glorified, professional and authorised "DRUG DEALER" :-) https://www.wfmj.com/story/44051601/the-latest-ex-pharmacist-gets-3-years-in-jail-for-tampering [16:23] *acer-box____ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:24] *Techrights-sec2 has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [16:24] -NickServ-acer-box____!~acer-box@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [16:24] *acer-box____ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [16:25] techrights-bot "Heres what Im writing to announce: JPTOS was in a publishing hiatus over the past year" (I already noted 2-3 years ago, very many times in fact, that #patent media/publishers/blogs were dying) https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/journal-trademark-society.html [16:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Journal of the Patent & Trademark Office Society [16:25] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] leah: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ca551afd enjoy :) [16:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian Pastezone [16:25] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [16:28] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] leah: Forgot to uncomment the Libera gateway. [16:29] MinceR (cat) https://www.boredpanda.com/cats-watching-shop-owner-funny-pics/ [16:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.boredpanda.com | This Shop Owner Installed A Glass Ceiling For His Cats And Now They Won't Stop Staring At Him | Bored Panda [16:32] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] leah: Also the message length on libreboot.org needs adjusting [16:33] leah ah [16:33] leah Ariadne yes, can you give me the config for matterbridge? [16:33] leah just email it to leah@libreboot.org [16:33] leah i assume you mean https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge [16:33] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] I'm hosting matterbridge, that's the config :D [16:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - 42wim/matterbridge: bridge between mattermost, IRC, gitter, xmpp, slack, discord, telegram, rocketchat, twitch, ssh-chat, zulip, whatsapp, keybase, matrix, microsoft teams, nextcloud, mumble, vk and more with REST API (mattermost not required!) [16:33] leah i will adapt it for my own purposes [16:34] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] leah: Yes, that's the one. [16:34] leah hm [16:34] leah mattermost is another software that comes to mind. coreboot used it, idk if they still do [16:34] leah is matterbridge a part of that project? [16:35] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Not really, but the name is definitely derived from there. [16:35] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Also "most" is a Slavic word for bridge, I doubt that's a coincidence. [16:35] techrights-bot What kind of person who confuse those two logos? Very generic http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/the-eu-general-court-on-relative.html #law #Trademarks #Trademark [16:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The EU General Court on relative grounds for refusal: the Chanel judgment - The IPKat [16:35] *AVRS (~AVRS@wikimedia/AVRS) has joined #techrights [16:36] techrights-bot #Olympics becoming about #marketing instead of #sport http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/guest-post-will-social-media-change.html [16:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Guest Post: Will Social Media change Ambush Marketing at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games? - The IPKat [16:37] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [16:37] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] leah: matterbridge cannot determine the max length automatically, so I just find the longest nick length and the longest message that nick can produce, record that value and then subtract the actual nick length. [16:37] schestowitz XRevan86 depends on devs' origins? 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[16:40] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [16:40] techrights-bot Check how much money he has pocketed from pharmaceutical giants https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vaccine-patent-waiver-073554967.html #patent #patents #monopoly #eu [16:40] *rowbee (~augh@theguntretort.com) has joined #techrights [16:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | COVID-19 vaccine patent waiver is "no silver bullet" - EU's Michel [16:42] techrights-bot There's no such thing as "IP" and patents are not "owned"; this is what happens when law firms and monopolists fund the media to repeat mythology and propaganda (in 'news' clothing https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s6t8wm4lrg05/ip-owners-concerned-as-uk-mulls-post-brexit-exhaustion-regime [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | IP owners concerned as UK mulls post-Brexit exhaustion regime | Managing Intellectual Property [16:43] tr-bridge [leah/tr] you can take your IP and shove it up your ass. that's my personal opinion [16:44] tr-bridge [leah/tr] i will accept copyleft [16:44] techrights-bot #germany destroying its own businesses with foolish #patent laws that make it easy to sue German companies http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/german-legislature-just-voted-to-amend.html see how the coup by #law firms and monopolists has progressed, vendor-capturing #de gov. http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/bundestagate-part-20/ [16:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: German legislature just voted to amend patent injunction statute -- jurisdiction as attractive as ever to patent holders bringing infringement lawsuits [16:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag Part 20: Taking Stock | Techrights [16:44] tr-bridge [leah/tr] and if i'm ever the leader of a major country, i will mandate copyleft [16:45] tr-bridge [leah/tr] as a matter of public service [16:45] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Ariadne: Ye got banned from freenode too? [16:46] techrights-bot Large corporations disguised as "users" and similar euphemism control the #EPO and turn it into a laughing stock. #SACEPO (Suck EPO!) is a misnomer and a corporate coup. https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2021/20210611.html [16:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - SACEPO discusses digital transformation at EPO [16:47] techrights-bot #epo granted #fakepatents like #swpats that can in turn destroyed the whole "ViCo" pipe dream https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/facebook-and-voxer-take-live-broadcast-patent-dispute-to-europe/ #patents #europe [16:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Facebook and Voxer take live broadcast patent dispute to Europe - JUVE Patent [16:48] *acer-box____ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:48] -NickServ-acer-box____!~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1 has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [16:48] *acer-box____ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [16:49] techrights-bot Mouthpieces of law firms (funded by patent litigation firms, as in Dennis Crouch's case) are freaking out as #swpats continues to collapse along with many other #fakePatents that #uspto should never have granted in the first place https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/extending-uncertainty-fields.html [16:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | 101: Extending Uncertainty to All Fields | Patently-O [16:51] schestowitz XRevan86 freenode will stop having problematic users when none are left [16:51] schestowitz (no users that is) [16:52] CrystalMath schestowitz: nah, i'll still be there :> [16:52] CrystalMath a little bit of self-deprecating humor [16:53] *Techrights-sec has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [16:53] techrights-bot "There is no future at #IBM if you havent figured out yet IBMers" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bgZ1XHP#replies #redhat [16:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Instead of raise, you can only get an excuse - post regarding IBM layoffs [16:53] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [16:54] *gnudist has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:55] schestowitz CrystalMath: they need to rethink their attitude and strategy [16:55] schestowitz they clearly have a poor understanding of the community [16:55] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: I bet it'll still have enough idlers for years to come [16:55] schestowitz and you start to wonder if Kape calls the shots [16:55] schestowitz after all, they 'own' Andrew [16:55] schestowitz he's just a sear on their board [16:55] schestowitz *seat [16:56] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Nah, this is a personal thing. [16:56] schestowitz What are they getting out of all this, inc. PIA? [16:56] MinceR 13 175247 < CrystalMath> schestowitz: nah, i'll still be there :> [16:57] MinceR not after they k-line you [16:57] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Nah, not him %) [16:57] techrights-bot 'IPWatchdog and LexisNexis and will be offering a webinar entitled "Saving the World with Patents: Is the TRIPS Waiver Helping or Hurting Innovation?"' Since when is a strident patent maximalism blog some sort of authority on policy? [16:57] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Although who knows. [16:58] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [16:58] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] A close ally is a potential formidable enemy. [16:58] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/funny-pictures-5-6-21-18.jpg [16:58] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [16:59] techrights-bot Quit using the nebulous and misleading term "IP"; if you mean to say trademarks, then say trademarks. And they are not property. They're something different. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s65yrn3qcr74/in-house-counterfeiters-increasingly-targeting-unregistered-ip #trademarks #trademark [16:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | In-house: counterfeiters increasingly targeting unregistered IP | Managing Intellectual Property ● Jun 13 [17:00] schestowitz maybe their goal is to install fear [17:00] schestowitz ban people left and right [17:00] schestowitz ask Putin [17:00] schestowitz or Kim [17:00] schestowitz not CEO of the PIA company [17:00] schestowitz the one near Russia [17:00] MinceR pretty stupid strategy in a world of over 400 irc networks, where people can freely leave [17:01] schestowitz well, they can leave, but many things won't travel with them [17:01] schestowitz like Microsoft, there's assumption of prisoners' complex [17:01] MinceR that isn't working out [17:01] MinceR all this talk about IP... https://www.giantbomb.com/ian-paul-freeley/3005-246/ [17:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.giantbomb.com | Ian Paul Freeley (Character) - Giant Bomb [17:01] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: And where there's already momentum for that [17:01] schestowitz install- > *instill fear [17:02] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] The June prognosis is already cemented. [17:02] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:02] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] We won't have to wait for July for freenode to stop being the largest network. [17:03] techrights-bot "This is an IP and libertarianism Q&A. It was originally supposed to be a debate with an intellectual property attorney on IP but after challenging me, she bowed out." #stephankinsella has long challenged this "AYE PEE" nonsense. https://www.stephankinsella.com/paf-podcast/kol343-aborted-ip-debate-with-nina-prevot/ [17:03] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stephankinsella.com | KOL343 | Aborted IP Debate with Nina Prevot; IP and Libertarianism Q&A [17:04] MinceR i don't get the obsession with "largest network" [17:04] MinceR more people use dumbFuckBook. does this make dumbFuckBook better? [17:04] MinceR lots of people use IRCNet, the network made of NIH Syndrome [17:04] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: For some reason even now most connections are made not through irc.techrights.org [17:05] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] what difference does that make to us? [17:05] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [17:05] techrights-bot " #IBM is famous for obtaining a lot of patents. Year after year, theyre the top recipient of U.S. patents" And then they BLACKMAIL you, STILL (even after #redhat bought and AllowHurst made IBM President) https://www.patentprogress.org/2021/06/10/moving-the-uspto-from-red-to-black/ see http://techrights.org/2020/12/28/ibm-xmas-patent-bully/ [17:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentprogress.org | Moving The USPTO From Red To Black - Patent Progress [17:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Christmastime Extortion Shows That IBM Has Not Changed Since Buying Red Hat and Its Still a Patent Bully | Techrights [17:05] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [17:05] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: For some reason it is still the current largest network where it's at [17:06] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] what is "it" that is at the current largest network? [17:06] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] Pennywise? [17:06] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:06] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: peepl [17:06] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] people are overrated :> [17:07] *libertybox (~schestowi@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [17:07] techrights-bot #Intel reinforces four post-trial motions to do away with #VLSI Technology's $2.2B jury verdict in Western District of #Texas #patent case http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/intel-reinforces-four-post-trial.html [17:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Intel reinforces four post-trial motions to do away with VLSI Technology's $2.2B jury verdict in Western District of Texas patent case [17:09] schestowitz MinceR: people can fly [17:09] *acer-box____ has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [17:09] -NickServ-acer-box____!~acer-box@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [17:09] *acer-box____ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [17:09] schestowitz our home connection is pure shite and now it impacts a different machine, a more critical one [17:09] schestowitz utter shite [17:09] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Can_Fly [17:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | People Can Fly - Wikipedia [17:12] techrights-bot #MedTech is mostly a meaningless misnomer or buzzwords that monopolists and #litigation zealots use to make #softwarepatent sound honourable https://www.bioworld.com/articles/508121-bioworld-medtech-patent-highlights-week-22?v=preview see http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/software-as-a-medical-device-samd-like-medtech-at-the-epo-just-another-dodge-for-illegitimate-software-patents/ [17:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BioWorld MedTech Patent Highlights: Week 22 | 2021-06-11 | BioWorld [17:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) Like MedTech at the EPO Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | Techrights [17:14] *acer-box______ (~acer-box@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:14] -NickServ-acer-box______!~acer-box@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [17:14] *acer-box______ has quit (Changing host) [17:14] *acer-box______ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [17:14] *acer-box____ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:14] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [17:14] *Techrights-sec has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [17:15] schestowitz I've reset that connection, let's see how that works out [17:15] schestowitz frustrating since it started around 10 days ago [17:16] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [17:17] techrights-bot ABC News: #Germany rolling out digital #EU vaccination pass. So back we go to Nazi policies, like those which #IBM profits from http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/ IBM STILL at this, misusing the "LINUX" brand to promote it: http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/ [17:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | Techrights [17:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | Techrights [17:18] techrights-bot Too many #patents simply harm the public https://www.centerforbiosimilars.com/view/matrix-report-identifies-shortcomings-of-us-patent-system [17:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.centerforbiosimilars.com | Matrix Report Identifies Shortcomings of US Patent System [17:19] techrights-bot #patents on #cancer again https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/06/09/2244676/0/en/Onxeo-Receives-Notice-of-Allowance-for-a-New-Patent-Broadening-the-Protection-of-AsiDNA-in-combination-with-a-PARP-Inhibitor-in-the-United-States.html see explanation of the ethical issues associated with that, e.g. (TR wrote about it many times before) http://techrights.org/2015/12/26/epo-and-cancer/ [17:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globenewswire.com | Onxeo Receives Notice of Allowance for a New Patent [17:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Insensitivity at the EPOs Management Part II: Patent Office as a Cancer | Techrights [17:20] MinceR maybe they could sue people that have cancer for patent infringement [17:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.76 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 13.05 swarm size (avg): 244.45 [17:21] schestowitz MinceR: if they get cured [17:21] schestowitz maybe they can settling or reverse-mortgaging the home [17:21] schestowitz *end up settling [17:22] MinceR i think the court should rule that they must be cured [17:22] MinceR so that they no longer infringe [17:22] schestowitz haha, what a cruel justice system [17:22] schestowitz "die already... to avoid the lawsuit" [17:22] MinceR that works too, i guess [17:22] schestowitz sick world [17:22] schestowitz but [17:22] schestowitz it's profitable [17:22] schestowitz a sick world has more clientele :-) [17:22] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/funny-pictures-5-5-21-9.jpg [17:23] schestowitz a healthy world sucks: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html [17:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Goldman asks: 'Is curing patients a sustainable business model?' [17:23] MinceR a healthy world is devoid of humans :> [17:23] schestowitz for nature it is better [17:24] schestowitz before it runs our of "lumber" [17:24] schestowitz what we call trees when we sell them carved up at ridiculous prices [17:24] schestowitz BTW [17:24] schestowitz MinceR: [17:24] schestowitz for you [17:24] schestowitz there's a segment in this RMS interview about overpopulation [17:25] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ [17:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | Techrights [17:25] MinceR i've seen it [17:25] schestowitz but I watched the final parts after about 3 hours, so maybe it is not included [17:25] MinceR i mean i watched it live [17:25] schestowitz RMS lacks the sensibilities [17:25] MinceR or maybe he has sensibilities for nature and for quality of human life [17:25] schestowitz he preaches this to a devour catholic country with high birth rates [17:25] schestowitz and it sort of backfired [17:25] schestowitz they said Olive too has a daughter [17:26] schestowitz RMS said she was into dancer, but they said she was a "hacker" [17:26] schestowitz *Oliva [17:26] schestowitz He also got in trouble for talking about Minsky [17:26] schestowitz and the term "assault" [17:28] MinceR catholics would prefer to have tens of billions or more living in suffering and poverty [17:28] MinceR because they idolize suffering and limitless reproduction [17:28] techrights-bot 2021: even #patent BLOGS (not just so-called 'journalism' -- a dying breed since years ago) turn to "ohhhh ... loook... here are some tweets I typed up" instead of actual reporting on issues https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/involving-patent-arising.html [17:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Involving Patent Issues vs. Arising Under the Patent Laws | Patently-O [17:28] MinceR oh, and they also idolize poverty ...for others [17:28] schestowitz MinceR: and it wins votes [17:29] schestowitz a numbers game [17:29] schestowitz it's not just catholics [17:29] MinceR and before someone brings it up, yes, most abrahamic cults are also like that [17:29] schestowitz it's the more devout religions [17:29] schestowitz MinceR: yes, beat me to it... [17:29] schestowitz that's why they are so "successful" [17:29] schestowitz it' a numbers game [17:30] MinceR catholics might be a bit special because they toured africa telling people that contraception is evil [17:31] leah hm [17:31] techrights-bot #patent "class action antitrust claims that pay-for-delay deals kept #generic versions of Alzheimer's drug Namenda off the market after a New York federal judge largely rejected the parties' competing bids for a quick win Friday." https://www.law360.com/ip/articles/1393316/allergan-unit-must-face-bulk-of-namenda-pay-for-delay-suit [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Allergan Unit Must Face Bulk Of Namenda Pay-For-Delay Suit - Law360 [17:31] tr-bridge [leah/tr] anyway, i'm done here now. i'll continue talking in #techrights on freenode [17:32] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] leah: weird [17:32] tr-bridge [leah/tr] i only came to the self-hosted one at irc.techrights.org, to PM ariadne when she requested an audience with me [17:32] techrights-bot Deals behind our backs, NOT in our names, NOT in our interest https://www.natlawreview.com/article/transatlantic-trade-us-and-europe-week-june-7-2021 #eu #collusion #uk #g7 [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.natlawreview.com | Transatlantic Trade Update: G-7 Summit, EU-UK Trade deals [17:32] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] leah: Can ye elaborate on the decision? [17:32] tr-bridge [leah/tr] hm. actually [17:32] tr-bridge [leah/tr] should i stay here? [17:32] tr-bridge [leah/tr] this place is bridged with freenode [17:32] MinceR it is [17:32] tr-bridge [leah/tr] ah ok [17:32] tr-bridge [leah/tr] well i tried to register my nick here, but couldn't [17:32] MinceR sadly, color codes don't make it across [17:32] tr-bridge [leah/tr] it said i was already authed, even though i never registered my nick on this ircd [17:33] tr-bridge [leah/tr] how do i register and guard my nick here on self-hosted techrights? [17:33] MinceR so it's easier to follow from over here... OTOH it's easier to tab-complete nicks on TR, if your client tries to tab-complete nicks that spoke most recently (like irssi) [17:33] techrights-bot "I'm a model!" Oh really, what kind? "Quantitative!" Using lingo and cyrpto-crap to hype up buzzwords and waning cargo cults for posers. https://www.investing.com/news/cryptocurrency-news/forecasting-bitcoin-price-using-quantitative-models-part-4-2530614 [17:33] tr-bridge [leah/tr] i will lurk here if i can figure that out, and stop joining the freenode channel [17:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.investing.com | Forecasting Bitcoin price using quantitative models, Part 4 By Cointelegraph [17:33] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I hope that schestowitz will move the bots. [17:33] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] to find out: /quote nickserv help register [17:33] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Now that more evidence is clear, that feels like more of a possibility. [17:33] tr-bridge [leah/tr] thanks [17:33] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] np [17:36] schestowitz MinceR: yes, autocomplete [17:36] schestowitz as most of us are still here [17:36] schestowitz [17:32] [leah/tr] should i stay here? [17:36] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Completely independent from the masters, eh? [17:36] MinceR i mean, irssi sticks those /fn nicks into its list and tab-completes them too [17:36] schestowitz as we said weeks ago, or over a week ago, it gives us downtime tolerancw [17:37] MinceR but only where relaymsg works [17:37] schestowitz if one network is wonky, the other is still working, so being in both is OK [17:37] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: well, not completely [17:37] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: we'd need more redundant hosting for that [17:38] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: I mean the big IRC networks. [17:38] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] and one particular one that is on a cancellation rampage right now. [17:38] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] the smaller ones have masters too [17:39] schestowitz if not now, in the future [17:39] schestowitz they're not predictable [17:39] *includeals has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [17:39] schestowitz they're like G+ or google photos or whatnot [17:39] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: That one has been predictable though. [17:39] schestowitz you don't get to decide or even express an opinion about their direction [17:40] schestowitz XRevan86 not in 2008 [17:40] schestowitz we made a good choice then [17:40] schestowitz seeing it went on ok for so long [17:40] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: It was a different network then. [17:40] tr-bridge [leah/tr] yeah anyway: [17:40] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: It's under new management. [17:40] tr-bridge [leah/tr] NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): You're already logged into an account [17:40] tr-bridge [leah/tr] this is what it says when i try to register [17:40] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] yeah, you're logged in as leah [17:40] tr-bridge [leah/tr] did what was suggested just now, still don't work [17:40] schestowitz maybe it's not wrong [17:40] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] ergo ircd is weird, it ties nicks and nickserv accounts together rather tightly [17:41] tr-bridge [leah/tr] yeah but this is irc.techrights.org, not freenode [17:41] tr-bridge [leah/tr] i'm already logged in on freenode [17:41] tr-bridge [leah/tr] but my leah nick isn't registered on irc.techrights.org, the self-hosted one [17:41] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i mean you're logged in as leah _here_ [17:41] tr-bridge [leah/tr] how though [17:41] tr-bridge [leah/tr] i never registered my nick here [17:41] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] maybe you had a certificate when you connected or something [17:41] schestowitz maybe a bug [17:41] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] you can check it with /quote nickserv info leah [17:41] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: Notice how no such hiccups happened on the "under old management" network. [17:42] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] more serious things happened on it [17:42] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] All the fears have stayed unrealised. [17:42] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] not really [17:42] tr-bridge [leah/tr] 17:41 -- NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): Account: leah [17:42] schestowitz IRC became more polarised than before [17:42] tr-bridge [leah/tr] 17:41 -- NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): Registered at: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 12:49:50 UTC [17:42] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: What did they do? Tell CM "ye can't do that"? [17:42] tr-bridge [leah/tr] 17:41 -- NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): Account leah has 0 registered channel(s). [17:42] tr-bridge [leah/tr] but i never registered it [17:43] schestowitz but worse, they split free software themselves along political lines now [17:43] tr-bridge [leah/tr] so how do i auth if i don't know the password? [17:43] schestowitz sort of like LF and OSI do [17:43] tr-bridge [leah/tr] i'm pretty sure nobody else registered it here either [17:43] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: i don't remember it was years ago, but i left #freenode and #freenode-social over it [17:43] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: then they tried to cancel RMS and the FSF board [17:43] schestowitz they can agree on a licence, but if you vote "wrong", you will be banished somehiw [17:43] tr-bridge [leah/tr] can someone just like, manually do something to make me have it? [17:43] tr-bridge [leah/tr] email address leah@libreboot.org [17:43] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] leah: do you have a server password or SASL set up? [17:44] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] Ariadne knows the peculiarities of ergo better than i do [17:45] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: As something that didn't exactly happen in the IRC world, that's not really evidence to the contrary. [17:45] techrights-bot In 1:32:00 of this video of #RMS he speaks about why we should make something like "crust" to replace #rustlang ... I think that's a good idea if we want to #deletegithub and remove ourselves from the #microsoft infiltration (e.g. in Rust Foundation) ... while still using #freesw made in Rust http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ [17:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | Techrights [17:45] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: what happens on shithub stays on shithub? [17:46] schestowitz not always, MinceR [17:46] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Even FSF trusts them not to let their personal opinions affect their IRC work. [17:46] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: being cancelled is a "personal opinion"? [17:46] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] the opinions that are not in solidarity either [17:46] schestowitz time will tell [17:46] schestowitz lol [17:46] schestowitz friday to sunday [17:46] schestowitz not even 48 hours yet [17:47] schestowitz and how many people are in LC/#fsf ? [17:47] schestowitz I saw 225 in FN/#fsf today [17:47] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] "i got fired from my job, but that's my own personal opinion so i'll just keep going there and demand paychecks" [17:48] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: They k-lined someone who disagreed? [17:48] schestowitz MinceR: reminds me to check IBM boards [17:48] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: if parties A and B exist, and party A does something evil, does this prove party B to be good? [17:49] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Has party B displayed any unprofessional behaviour in their IRC work? [17:49] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] indeed [17:49] schestowitz I said before, we deal with choice of masters [17:49] schestowitz and the masters change over time [17:49] schestowitz so it is a false dicoptomy [17:49] schestowitz like idiots who buy everything with an "i" on it [17:49] schestowitz because Windows "sucks" [17:50] schestowitz and they focus on brands, not the underlying issues [17:50] schestowitz so it's them who are Microsoftr bashers [17:50] schestowitz we we beyond that [17:50] schestowitz we are proprietary software and centralisation bashers [17:50] schestowitz we mock the modality [17:50] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] So beyond that it is written on freenode. [17:50] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] criticism is not bashing [17:50] schestowitz and we look for actual solutions that tackle things at the root [17:51] schestowitz many people choose BRAND for their listening devices [17:51] schestowitz Alexa/Siri/Cortana [17:51] schestowitz depends on which brand spent the most on marketing, lying to them [17:51] schestowitz "carbon-neutral" pinkwashing antracist Pentagon contractor :-) [17:51] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] got to have the correct logo on the microphone that sends everything to the NSA [17:52] schestowitz MyCroft might be OK [17:52] schestowitz they try to tackle the issue [17:52] schestowitz Mozilla had a project going for a while, but based on lack of blog posts they must have canned it [17:52] schestowitz and they started obsessing about the "diversity" of such things (languages etc.) instead of making something that just works [17:53] schestowitz voices, languages, dialects [17:53] schestowitz Twitter took down its image cropped [17:53] schestowitz *cropper [17:53] schestowitz because mobs in Twitter accused that tool of racism [17:53] schestowitz twitter panicked and took the whole software down [17:53] schestowitz HP similarly with webcams iirc [17:53] schestowitz because people whose skin bounces back less photons is harder to derive contours from [17:54] schestowitz physics are racist [17:54] schestowitz photons are bigots [17:54] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] lol [17:54] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] if they used neural networks then maybe they trained them less with darker-skinned humans [17:54] schestowitz this is what "ethics" in "tehc" [sic] boils down to [17:54] schestowitz a bunch of tehc STONKS moaning not about privacy issues [17:55] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] it's convenient for corporate posturing [17:55] schestowitz but things like, how does this program pick up my voice to ship it to the NSA [17:55] schestowitz NSA OK [17:55] schestowitz the interpreter not OK [17:55] *lchapoguzman (~lou@rrcs-24-43-84-163.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #techrights [17:55] MinceR no need for any actual ethical behavior, just plaster the right symbols and the right sorts of stock photos on corporate surfaces [17:55] schestowitz no, i worked with such NIST sets [17:56] schestowitz for like a whole year [17:56] schestowitz some ethnicities are harder [17:56] schestowitz for different reasons [17:56] schestowitz like ethnic diversity, racial hair, complexion [17:56] schestowitz you might even have to change the cameras [17:56] schestowitz and focus on depth scans [17:57] schestowitz colour is not always enough [17:57] schestowitz it's OK if you have a bunch of 'white' faces [17:58] schestowitz at risk of going into territories that are considered racist, some Africans (they're NOT one race) are very very dark, compare to those in east Africa [17:58] schestowitz and you would just need another classifier type [17:58] schestowitz the problem is that many face-rec systems were made for, and by, "white" people [17:59] schestowitz and going back to Mozilla and voice rec: [17:59] schestowitz they're biased towards English [17:59] schestowitz they're funded and run by mostly Europeans and Americans [17:59] schestowitz no matter what stock photography they pick for their blogs [17:59] schestowitz all corporations are like that ● Jun 13 [18:00] MinceR depth scans are expensive [18:00] schestowitz Microsoft works in reverse even: http://techrights.org/2009/08/25/white-people-in-poland/ [18:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Wants Only White People in Poland | Techrights [18:00] MinceR elon musk is too cheap to put lidars in his overpriced cars :> [18:00] schestowitz actively REMOVING the 'misfits' [18:00] schestowitz the world's richest african [18:00] schestowitz colonist family [18:01] schestowitz NEWS #DemocracyNow #Germany #de Why Germanys Apology for Its 1904-1908 #Genocide in #Namibia Does Not Go Far Enough https://www.democracynow.org/2021/6/11/namibia_german_apology_reparations [18:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Why Germanys Apology for Its 1904-1908 Genocide in Namibia Does Not Go Far Enough | Democracy Now! [18:01] schestowitz "test run" [18:02] schestowitz another "test run": Aktion T4 http://techrights.org/2019/07/16/haar-dark-historical-shadow/ [18:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Looney Tunes Part 2: The Difficult Legacy and Its Dark Historical Shadow | Techrights [18:02] schestowitz but hey, let's focus on minor issues [18:02] schestowitz like what the git branch is named [18:03] schestowitz that'll accomplish so much MOAR [18:03] schestowitz After you Microsoft, we'll follow your lead on repo names: http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/ [18:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights [18:03] schestowitz in a site that works for ICE :D [18:05] AVRS schestowitz: if that edit is racist, is Vitamin D also racist? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D [18:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Vitamin D - Wikipedia [18:05] MinceR obviously [18:05] MinceR everything is racist in this world, except for crybullies [18:05] schestowitz anyway, don't mean to sound crude, but we need to get the priorities right [18:05] schestowitz the issue is mass spying on all races [18:05] MinceR just ask matthew garrett [18:05] schestowitz the corporate media arranges for "micro scandals"a [18:05] schestowitz and gets us to obsesses over those, instead [18:06] AVRS (e.g. "Vitamin D deficiency is common in Hispanic and African-Americans in the United States, with levels dropping significantly in the winter.") [18:06] schestowitz this afternoon: [14:56] #cnbc is little but megaphone of propaganda arm for companies that SPY on you the MOST, e.g. #Amazon , #Microsoft and #IBM https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/12/a-year-later-tech-companies-calls-to-regulate-facial-recognition-met-with-little-progress.html original headline: "A year later, tech companies' calls to regulate facial recognition met with little progress" [18:06] AVRS because they need more sun [18:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Rules around facial recognition and policing remain blurry [18:06] schestowitz "regulate" [18:06] schestowitz AVRS: I get burned easily [18:07] MinceR it's probably a better idea to take Vitamin D supplements [18:07] schestowitz and it does permanent harm, since a decade ago [18:07] MinceR because that avoids the risk of skin cancer [18:07] schestowitz Humans will evolved to have a dependency on pills, abortions, what else? [18:08] schestowitz c-sections are already a dependency in countries that have them [18:08] MinceR oxygen [18:08] MinceR our most difficult addiction of all [18:08] schestowitz well, it is abundant [18:08] schestowitz so animals use that for combustion [18:09] schestowitz we could adapt, somehow, to other gases [18:09] schestowitz fish don't even use raw oxygen [18:09] schestowitz in gas form [18:09] schestowitz no carbon [18:10] schestowitz the gases you get at operations are a lot more addictive than c02 [18:10] schestowitz co2 [18:10] MinceR i doubt CO2 is addictive [18:11] MinceR the human body reacts pretty adversely to high concentrations of CO2 [18:11] techrights-bot Trickle down? Haha, don't you kid me... https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2021/06/13/apartments-near-mcclellan-nearly-double-in-value.html [18:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com | NO TITLE [18:11] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] schestowitz: surely the literal fascism is more important and more encompassing than the spying [18:11] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] the spying is just one asperct [18:11] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] aspect* [18:12] schestowitz yes, it's a tool [18:12] schestowitz an instrument of mass control [18:12] AVRS schestowitz: I read the Russian Vitamin D article recently, and it seemed to claim it is impossible to get enough Vitamin D from food or from sunlight [18:12] schestowitz I always say, it's threefold [18:13] schestowitz censorship+surveillance+propaganda/indocrination [18:13] AVRS Anyway, it might be less healthy for people with more sunny origins to be in less sunny places [18:13] schestowitz because you can avoid physical confrontation by fencing the minds and removing "toxic" elements (people and ideas weeded out) [18:13] AVRS s/to be/to live/ [18:14] AVRS Unless that article was written by racists, of course [18:14] schestowitz I think that's a straw man [18:14] schestowitz if someone calls them racist, he or she is the straw man [18:14] schestowitz we do have real racists [18:14] schestowitz and there's an effort to shift to BS [18:14] schestowitz petty little issues [18:17] techrights-bot It's quite incredible to what length litigation profiteers/fanatics would go to promote #patents on nature and life, casting them as "technology" or "invention" https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/06/crispr-interference-parties-file-motions-to-exclude-evidence-and-for-oral-hearing.html #patent #monopoly #crispr [18:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: CRISPR Interference Parties File Motions to Exclude Evidence and for Oral Hearing [18:19] techrights-bot Corrupt 'law' firm M&C (lawsuits proved #corruption recently) looking for sneaky and cheeky ways to promote fake and unlawful #patents on software, mostly using buzzwords like "MedTech" and "Innovation" https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1077602/medtech-innovation-is-going-digital-but-is-patent-protection-keeping-up http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/software-as-a-medical-device-samd-like-medtech-at-the-epo-just-another-do [18:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Medtech Innovation Is Going Digital But Is Patent Protection Keeping Up? - Intellectual Property - UK [18:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) Like MedTech at the EPO Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | Techrights [18:21] techrights-bot "A framework for understanding how the Federal Circuit determines the "ordinary and customary" meaning of claim terms." = tricks for bypassing the #law to get #fakePatents and fool examiners, then judges. #patent maximalism at its finest. NOT about justice. https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/06/mbhb-webinar-on-claim-construction.html [18:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: MBHB Webinar on Claim Construction [18:23] techrights-bot Fake #journalism (that is actually SPAM) became so prevalent in these so-called 'IP' site. Firm hires ONE person (yes, someone changes job!) and it becomes: "HGF expands in Europe with France opening". #WorldIntellectualPropertyReview used to write news, now it's mostly PR SPAM. https://www.worldipreview.com/news/hgf-expands-in-europe-with-france-opening-21446 [18:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldipreview.com | HGF expands in Europe with France opening [18:26] techrights-bot Of course #designpatents ought not exist at all, but when money buys laws even merely knowing something from one'e job or employer can become a "crime" https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s6mv6pb29606/why-changes-to-chinas-design-patent-law-are-a-big-deal see http://techrights.org/2018/08/02/design-patents-legitimacy/ [18:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Why changes to Chinas design patent law are a big deal | Managing Intellectual Property [18:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Design Patents: When Appearances Rather Than Inventions and Functions Are Oddly Enough Covered by Patents, Not Copyrights or Trademarks | Techrights [18:27] techrights-bot Let's watch the planet BURN... for #patents ... https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1076848/a-shift-in-carbon-capture-and-storage-technology [18:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | A Shift In Carbon Capture And Storage Technology? - Intellectual Property - UK [18:28] techrights-bot Do you want to solve climate crisis? This law firm, which faces lawsuits for massive corruption at the moment (not for its shameless promotion of illegal patents), wants to monopolise the solution, then gloats about this suicidal (to humans) agenda. Imagine patent lawyers getting together to secure human survival instead of human exploitation through monopolies. They basically look to just 'monetise' crises which they [18:30] techrights-bot Painting #extortion and #blackmailing of individuals as an act of emancipation of women. PR tactics and #femmewashing have swept over the litigation and absurd #monopolies microcosm https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s66bdfk1x6yh/women-in-business-law-awards-europe-2021-register-for-the-virtual-awards-ceremony [18:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Women in Business Law Awards Europe 2021: register for the virtual awards ceremony | Managing Intellectual Property [18:32] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: No route to host) [18:32] techrights-bot #patents on #sports or how law firms look to poison everything to artificially inflate prices and exploit poorly-paid athletes https://blog.dennemeyer.com/everyday-ip-the-notable-ip-of-golf-basketball-and-other-sports they even use the propaganda term and misnomer "IP" [18:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.dennemeyer.com | Everyday IP: The notable IP of golf, basketball and other sports [18:32] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [18:34] techrights-bot After "APPLE SILICON" come more buzzwords to impress people. Well, not all people. To impress people who sweat every time they hear "Apple" or "Jobs" or "i" (identifying themselves with an exploitative and oppressive brand) https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2021/06/tsmcs-3dfabric-technology-is-the-next-big-wave-in-chip-design-that-apple-will-take-advantage-of-in-the-not-too-distant-futur.html [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentlyapple.com | TSMC's 3DFabric Technology is the next big wave in Chip Design that Apple will take advantage of in the not-too-distant Future - Patently Apple [18:36] techrights-bot Conveniently overlooks the fact that the #EPO Enlarged Board of Appeal is a rigged kangaroo court beholden to people who break the law and kidnap judges https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1077446/european-patent-office-opposition-procedure http://techrights.org/2021/06/12/mihaly-ficsor-past/ [18:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | European Patent Office Opposition Procedure - Intellectual Property - European Union [18:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice Part 4: Mihly Ficsor, the EPOs Hungarian Fixer | Techrights [18:38] techrights-bot Has #FDA devolved (not only under Trump) into rubber-stamping agency? Quite a few insiders leave in protest already. https://www.scienceboard.net/index.aspx?sec=sup&sub=can&pag=dis&ItemID=2803 [18:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scienceboard.net | FDA approves Alzheimer's treatment under accelerated pathway [18:40] techrights-bot When it says " #FDA used an accelerated regulatory pathway for the approval" it just means to say that FDA broke its own standard, charter, purpose. The whole point of regulation and certification is that there's a time delay and evidentiality-based burden. FDA exists to protect the public, or maybe it's to protect shareholders now? [18:42] techrights-bot Tax is a job destroyer. Regulation is business killer. Right? Myths promoted by corporations that just want to become governments. I.e. control billions of people without earning any consent, e.g. through voting. [18:43] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Taxing individuals that make under a middle class income is not a great idea. [18:44] techrights-bot 44 mins ago: "Maybe #IBM will dispose of Power, if they can find a buyer - they managed to find a buyer for Notes, so apparently anything is possible - but it won't be by shoving it onto Kyndryl's books." #Kyndryl #layoffs #exodus https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1biByoMH#replies [18:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Is there any new information about IBM selling Watson Health? - post regarding IBM layoffs [18:44] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: right, but what they suggest is not taxing large corporations [18:44] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] They spend their entire paycheck, go broke, and end up being the victims of predatory loans. That's why everyone I know, including myself, has been through at least one "voluntary" bankruptcy proceeding. [18:45] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] on regulation: https://www.salon.com/2021/06/12/jeff-bezos-bad-week-gets-worse-with-introduction-of-sweeping-new-big-tech-antitrust-legislation/ [18:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jeff Bezos bad week gets worse with introduction of sweeping new Big Tech antitrust legislation | Salon.com [18:46] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Illinois, which is like 90% Democrat, including 100% Democrat in all statewide offices, has the 9th most regressive tax structure in the nation. [18:46] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] They say they represent working people when all they really do is tax you and make your life suck so they can hand it all over to state union scum and it ends up back in their grubby little mitts. [18:46] *hook54321 has quit (K-Lined) [18:47] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Janus vs. AFSCME was a good start, but so not enough. [18:47] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Illinois is making some mild positive reforms, as Stallman put it. It just passed its first usury law, but it set the interest level way too high of course. [18:47] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] 26.99%? [18:48] techrights-bot Villainous lobbying for so-called 'harmonisation', wherein the patent extremists foist their wishlist (as "law") onto other countries (not their own) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s6fklhs87yy7/semiconductor-in-house-speak-out-on-top-ip-concerns [18:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Semiconductor in-house speak out on top IP concerns | Managing Intellectual Property [18:48] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Fucking Indiana has theirs at 21.99% and they're Republicans! [18:48] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Usury, in my opinion, is any loan higher than about 15%. [18:48] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] taxing anyone is not a good idea [18:48] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] That's usury. Interest alone isn't good, but higher than 15% is definitely usury. [18:48] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] it gives the state money they can abuse against the people [18:49] techrights-bot "EU MEPs backed a resolution by 355 votes to 263 supports waiving patents for vaccines, the parliament announced on Thursday." Now we know which politicians are likely bribed by the #patent #monopoly or #cartel of drugs https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s6w2bdvr1zm1/this-week-in-ip-uk-exhaustion-review-concerning-eu-legislator-backs-covid-waiver-senate-passes-trade-secrets-bill [18:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | This week in IP: UK exhaustion review concerning, EU legislator backs COVID waiver, Senate passes trade secrets bill | Managing Intellectual Property [18:49] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Usury, broadly defined, is any amount of interest that is so high that there is no likelihood of the debtor ever managing to pay it back. [18:50] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] A revolving loan of 15% is already nearly impossible to pay back, because the banks don't cut you off when you get close to your limit. They double your limit. [18:50] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: you are crazy [18:50] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] no u [18:51] techrights-bot Maybe missing the point that the vast proportion of the population thinks #patents on mere design ought not exist at all. It is common sense https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s78b03q7br2h/four-ways-in-house-hone-solid-design-patent-strategies see http://techrights.org/2018/08/02/design-patents-legitimacy/ [18:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Four ways in-house hone solid design patent strategies | Managing Intellectual Property [18:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Design Patents: When Appearances Rather Than Inventions and Functions Are Oddly Enough Covered by Patents, Not Copyrights or Trademarks | Techrights [18:51] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: you want an anarchy state, that is crazy [18:52] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] no, i don't want any state [18:52] techrights-bot More of that #Medtech #propaganda which very often acts as a placeholder for illegal #patents on algorithms https://tmrresearchblog.com/healthcare-patent-filing-outsourcing-market-to-gain-massive-thrust-from-cost-reduction-measures/ see http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/software-as-a-medical-device-samd-like-medtech-at-the-epo-just-another-dodge-for-illegitimate-software-patents/ [18:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tmrresearchblog.com | Healthcare Patent Filing Outsourcing Market to Gain Massive Thrust from Cost-reduction Measures TMR Research Blog [18:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) Like MedTech at the EPO Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | Techrights [18:52] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Next Sunday is Father's Day. Mandy says we should go to the zoo to celebrate Felta. [18:52] *includeals (~includeal@a94-132-179-31.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrights [18:52] psydroid maybe wanting to keep things the way they are now is crazy [18:52] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] we've tried every model of government and none of them turned out to be workable with humans [18:52] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] they all turned out to be disasters [18:53] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] I haven't even seen Felta since he dropped by one day in 2012(?) and asked if I wanted to go to the Chinese restaurant. [18:53] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] it's time to get rid of the scam known as the "social contract" [18:53] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] He hides out and doesn't want anyone to know where Felta and Janice of Borg live. [18:53] techrights-bot Actually, EVs have been around for decades, but it's the #patent gold rush that is growing and the #lawyers thus drool all over themselves https://www.mondaq.com/india/patent/1076718/electric-vehicles-as-an-emerging-technology [18:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Electric Vehicles As An Emerging Technology - Intellectual Property - India [18:54] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, I started calling my step mother Janice of Borg when I was like 16 or so, before they even got married. [18:55] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] :) [18:55] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] As in she assimilated my dad with nanobots and he's not allowed to have any contact with his family anymore. [18:55] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] borg was a fine person [18:55] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] he even won some grand slams [18:55] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] *gran [18:55] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] lol [18:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] hmm... turns out there's more than one [18:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjrn_Borg_(swimmer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjrn_Borg [18:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Bjrn Borg (swimmer) - Wikipedia [18:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Bjrn Borg - Wikipedia [18:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] didn't known about the swimmer [18:57] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] "In 19911993, Borg attempted a comeback on the men's professional tennis tour, coached by Welsh karate expert Ron Thatcher. Before his 1991 return, Borg grew his hair out as it had been during his previous professional tennis career and he returned to using a wooden racket" [18:57] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] well, being a lot is kind of the Borg's thing :> [18:58] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] I had a page called aboutjan on my site that was hidden with a very small link off to the side that wasn't meant to be seen. [18:59] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] It had her as the Icon of Sin from Doom. [18:59] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] Doom II ● Jun 13 [19:00] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Loaded one of the Doom Midis I had. Netscape would load it in Headspace Beatnik (not a bad midi player, actually). [19:00] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Yes. [19:01] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] Beatnik Mitnick [19:01] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] Beatnik Sputnik [19:01] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Since I came across gzdoom I don't even play WADs in the original Doom engines. [19:02] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] yeah, gzdoom is good [19:02] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] It managed to update the look and feel without ruining the gameplay and that's pretty neat, since it loads game data that hasn't been modified for almost 30 years now. [19:02] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] so's prboom+, for a more backwards compatible implementation [19:02] techrights-bot "In 2020, the #USPTO proposed a number of changes to its rules to better align them with the ABA Model Rules. Recently, the agency finalized those proposals (with minor changes) to be effective June 25, 2021." Like, what do they know about ethics? It's all about money to them. https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/changes-ethics-practitioners.html [19:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Changes to the Rules of Ethics for Patent Law Practitioners | Patently-O [19:03] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] If you were doing a speedrun and wanted to take advantage of bugs in the original engine as "legal" moves, I think Chocolate Doom would work fine. [19:03] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Some custom maps also depend on engine bugs to implement a feature. [19:03] techrights-bot "Puri and YBAT have a fairly long history of #litigation over ownership [sic] and control ... undivided ownership [sic]of intellectual [sic] property [sic] rights." [sic] https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/ownership-trademark-registration.html [19:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Joint Ownership and Trademark Registration | Patently-O [19:04] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] yeah, sometimes gzdoom has exceptions to make them work [19:04] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] back in the day, zdoom didn't have them all, though [19:05] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Depending on bugs is sort of dangerous because sometimes they get fixed. [19:05] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Depending on bugs to make a feature work is a very Windows developer thing. [19:05] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] it's also a building on proprietary software thing :> [19:06] techrights-bot People tested positive for #covid19 in the #uk up 49.3% (~half) this past week alone, but we're also testing a lot, almost a million tests per day. Some countries tested PER CAPITA that many in a whole year. So a lot of comparisons would be apples v oranges. [19:08] BaronVladimirHar https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_60c4ca39e4b0daf882b7ecac [19:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Explosive Diarrhea' Causes NBC's 'Ultimate Slip 'N Slide' To Pause Production: Report | HuffPost [19:10] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] What a tragedy. [19:10] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: wasn't Felta's your dad's nickname? http://techrights.org/irc/ [19:11] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise? [19:11] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Felta is is real name. He goes by his middle name. [19:11] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] huff post is still active/ [19:11] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BedWowuRdyU [19:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Did you ever hear? - YouTube [19:11] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I did wonder recently [19:11] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] "I can see why you would." [19:11] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] HuffPo was ruined by AOL [19:12] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] it used to be a propaganda platform for criminals like Gates [19:12] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] AOHELL [19:12] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] felta sounds like a female name [19:13] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] or some italian saying felt [19:13] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] he must have felt bullied at school [19:13] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Oh it gets better. You ask him about it and he gets defensive and says it dates back to Vikings or something. [19:13] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] the kid called "felta: [19:13] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] melta > felta [19:14] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] According to Felta, there were race riots at the high school. [19:14] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] pita carl farmer [19:14] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Someone had their eye stabbed out in the cafeteria with a fork. [19:14] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Also boomers, "Your generation sucks." [19:14] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: eye see... [19:15] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] There's always been unkind feelings between the various races (sometimes, although there's positive stereotypes too). [19:15] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] In modern "society", you have to repress that in public or else. [19:16] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] "Approach maniac. Repeat the last phrase. Add, 'or else'." [19:16] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The world of Demolition Man is the one that mjg59 and co. want to inflict on people. [19:17] *KindOne (kindone@unaffiliated/kindone) has joined #techrights [19:17] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Sterile, annoyingly polite, government that bans everything "not good for you". [19:17] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Ticket machines that spit out a fine if you say anything they don't approve of. [19:18] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] :> [19:19] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] You know, down to the cigarettes. The interesting thing about cigarettes is that my great grandmother was one of those folks that grew tobacco in her yard and smoked it. [19:19] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Lived well into her 90s. [19:19] schestowitz KindOne: why did they k-line you? [19:19] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] It's this corporate tobacco that's killing people. So what do they do? They make corporate hipster cigarettes. [19:20] schestowitz from #fsf : [12:23] 2021-06-13 08:49:31 KindOne (kindone@unaffiliated/kindone) has quit (K-Lined) [19:20] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] IRC is dying. Many networks listed in HexChat don't even work, including Mozilla's. [19:21] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.45 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 14.66 swarm size (avg): 244.49 [19:21] *phebus (~phebus@fsf/member/phebus) has joined #techrights [19:21] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Some have gone from tens of thousands of users to barely over 100. [19:22] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] "We need more than deplatforming." -Mozilla / Also Mozilla: Moves to Matrix.org where people are deplatformed in bulk. [19:22] schestowitz as long as they can run their servers and people use these, it's alive [19:22] schestowitz IRC generally works [19:22] schestowitz and has worked for very, very long [19:22] schestowitz Mozilla isn't working [19:22] schestowitz so the problem is Mozilla in that case, not IRC [19:22] schestowitz some of their stuff was moved to Google Groups, not even 'real' NNTP [19:23] schestowitz because we know Google's reputation keeping things going... [19:23] schestowitz like with Mozilla itself [19:23] schestowitz dangling between monopolies [19:23] schestowitz pale blue dot [19:24] schestowitz sudo mv .mozilla /tmp & reboot [19:24] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Added that to Mastodon, also... [19:24] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] "There's no old school hacker stuff going on in Mozilla anymore. [19:24] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] It's a political party stuffed with idiots and a $3 million dollar a year CEO while the actual software dies and gets stuffed full of DRM and ads. [19:24] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] To clear the way for Mitchell Baker's latest $500,000 annual raise, 25% of the Firefox devs were fired. The closest thing left to a browser is Seamonkey." [19:25] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] She could have saved 7 or 8 good jobs just by freezing her own salary at $2.5 million. [19:26] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] it's not like they need to do much more work [19:26] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] It's nice to know the fine tradition of CEO-ing goes on. [19:26] techrights-bot "The UK IPO has also launched a public consultation on the UKs future exhaustion of intellectual [sic] property [sic] rights [sic] regime." You know only #law firms and #monopolies will respond to it. #ukipo is fronting for and also staffed by them. It's an instrument of occupation. They even brainwash kids in schools now. http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/sunday-surprises.html [19:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Sunday Surprises - The IPKat [19:26] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] they removed ALSA support from their binaries, copied the chrome ui [19:26] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Stuffing their own bank accounts while the company circles the toilet bowl. [19:27] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] maybe they could just make a rebranded fork of chromium with fewer people [19:27] schestowitz Fireium [19:27] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Donate to FAILFOX. Mitchell Baker needs another raise! [19:28] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] At the rate this is going we get 2, maybe 3 more of these ESR releases before the company goes under or switches to Chromium. [19:29] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] There's people hanging on with Firefox 52 ESR. I wonder how well that renders websites these days. [19:29] techrights-bot Dictionary says patent means obvious or apparent https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/patent-law.html #patent #patents #monopolies #protectionism #privatisation [19:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Patent Law - Patently Obvious [19:29] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Security-wise, that's bad, but also so is the reason they're doing it (unsupported operating system). [19:29] techrights-bot #Ubuntu vs. Lubuntu: Everything you need to know http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152241 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu vs. Lubuntu: Everything you need to know | Tux Machines [19:29] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Hope they're using NoScript except for their bank. [19:30] techrights-bot #Huawei is Going to Upgrade Their Devices to HarmonyOS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152242 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Huawei is Going to Upgrade Their Devices to HarmonyOS | Tux Machines [19:30] techrights-bot #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152243 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:30] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] That's why the web as a "living thing" sucks. If the browser you use is ruined, you can't just hold out for years on the last version that worked okay and expect everything to more or less work. [19:31] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Winamp 2.95 is still floating around out there. The MP3 standard never changes. Every file ever created still works. [19:32] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The idea of the browser as anything more than a mechanism for fetching documents and rendering them is fundamentally broken and only cheered on by retards. [19:32] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] When they were 5-20 MB, they did nearly anything you'd ever need. [19:32] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] you can't really just hold out for years on the last version of networking applications in general [19:32] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] maybe with something very simple like netcat [19:33] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Even mjg59's favorite, Shitter, used to have a static-like website that mostly worked even on ancient browsers. [19:33] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] social applications in general. Can't hold onto your pre-mp3 media player [19:33] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] because it won't play mp3s [19:33] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] well that's not even social. it's just STUFF in general [19:33] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] No JavaScript. Now you have to turn on a dangerous scripting platform responsible for 90% of all CVEs in the browser just to read what he thinks about how unfair life is to womyn. [19:33] schestowitz FSF belatedly moaned about birdsite [19:34] schestowitz months after techrights pointed out, several times, the JS trap [19:34] schestowitz but FSF is still on there [19:34] schestowitz oddly enough [19:34] schestowitz maybe "mass appeal" and all that [19:34] *inky (~inky@141.136.79.172) has joined #techrights [19:34] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Security experts used to just say "Turn JavaScript off. It adds, at best, minor features to the site. It's extremely dangerous.". [19:35] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i wonder which year that advice is from [19:35] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Now you try it and nothing works. Not because it couldn't, but because they WANT spyware and malware shoved onto your computer. [19:35] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] nowadays you won't see any content on a "modern" site without javascript [19:36] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Without JS, most serious against a web browser simply will not work, even if you haven't installed updates for years. [19:36] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] *serious attacks [19:36] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] "what's an img element? i need at least 25 frameworks to get a web browser to display an image!" [19:36] *phobos has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [19:37] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] img element...also known as HTML....a feature implemented as Quirks Mode for legacy sites with pages measuring kilobytes. [19:37] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] See also, crimethink. [19:37] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] :> [19:38] psydroid it's even more preposterous to think there wouldn't be a reaction to this development (such as Gemini) [19:38] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Silly MinceR.....Not loading jquery off a remote server. [19:39] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Good web design requires making your user wait for giant elements to load off of servers that might be down or unresponsive before your page can do anything! [19:39] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] don't forget loading javascript from 9001 different domains [19:39] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] preferably with names the user can't decode [19:40] techrights-bot It's almost like #doom modeled the enemies after #coronavirus https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/doom-eternal-on-linux/ [19:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictivetips.com | How to play Doom: Eternal on Linux [19:40] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] urgefejwfjghetkslf.com is my favorite! I especially like how this obfuscated script is poking around trying to load Widevine to fingerprint me with. [19:40] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] :> [19:40] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Said nobody ever. [19:40] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Except Conde Nasty. [19:41] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] those enemies were actually modelled after the original cacodemon, which was modelled after the head of the astral dreadnought from AD&D [19:41] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] (influenced by beholders, also from AD&D) [19:42] techrights-bot "congratulations to CNSA for this accomplishment and hope for a good international cooperation in the exploration of space." Plutocrats dream of planetary escape because/before the pitchforks come out. https://dwaves.de/2021/06/13/chinese-space-agency-cnsa-publishes-zhurong-mars-rover-pictures-of-its-mars-mission-one-very-large-360-picture-how-did-it-do-the-selfie-rover-designed-to-last-only-90-marsian-days/ [19:42] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] mjg59 is one of those people that actually likes those Wiretap Speakers that don't even pretend to do something useful, which listen to everything in your house at all times. [19:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Chinese Space Agency (CNSA) publishes Zhurong Mars rover pictures of its Mars mission one very large 360 picture how did it do the selfie rover designed to last only 90 Marsian days | dwaves.de [19:43] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] "Let's see, I can MITM this and look, there's traffic I can only pretend to understand. And it crashed!" [19:43] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] About the only thing you can figure out on a modern OS is to what domain it's sending encrypted junk to every day. [19:43] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Windows 10 bypasses the HOSTS file to send reports about you back to Microsoft. [19:44] schestowitz [19:40] [DaemonFC/tr] Except Conde Nasty. [19:44] schestowitz RMS and I made up that name [19:44] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] They anticipated people figuring out their telemetry domains and blocking them. [19:45] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] s/telemetry/spyware/g [19:45] schestowitz well, the said troll works for a company which makes "cars" that are informants to insurance companies [19:45] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The only thing people really know is that lower settings for Telemetry do result in smaller ZIP files being sent to Microsoft, but they're encrypted, so you have no idea what's in them. [19:45] schestowitz so they're not really the driver's cars [19:45] schestowitz they're tenants or passengers [19:45] schestowitz with a wheel [19:45] schestowitz 5th wheel :-) [19:45] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] 5th wheel trailer? :> [19:46] psydroid you'll probably get bonus points [19:46] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] why are you still on freenode? [19:46] psydroid the more bonus points collected the more you pay for your insurance [19:46] schestowitz it's insuring the shareholders [19:47] schestowitz and they pass laws to make car insurance obligatory [19:47] schestowitz with hardly any safeguard against price gouging, overcharging, cartel, price fixing etc. [19:47] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] car insurance is supposed to be obligatory because otherwise the person you crash into doesn't get paid [19:47] schestowitz we pay lots of money for home insurance [19:47] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i'm still on freenode because it would be difficult to manage our channels there if i wasn't there :> [19:47] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] but leave it to america to corrupt it [19:47] schestowitz not likely we'll ever see anything for it [19:47] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] why would you have freenode channels [19:47] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] also, two legs are more stable than one [19:48] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] it's easier for people to find us this way [19:48] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] One leg's in manure, but sure [19:48] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] and it's also more difficult to silence us [19:48] schestowitz immibis why change the subject? [19:48] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: that's what the rubber boot is for [19:48] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: Yea, that was my argument for the bridge to LC [19:48] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] nobody really wanted to manage the LC side [19:48] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] not even superkuh [19:48] schestowitz they cannot [19:49] schestowitz LC is already managed [19:49] schestowitz by "signed by" folks [19:49] schestowitz see shithub [19:49] schestowitz petiion to FSF [19:49] schestowitz blackmailing FSF to shun FSF founder [19:49] *tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] looks at github.com/freenode [19:49] schestowitz because of pure nonsense [19:49] schestowitz XRevan86 yes, the people who run LC [19:49] schestowitz they put it there [19:50] schestowitz and they host LC on Microsoft servers [19:50] schestowitz not just their code [19:50] schestowitz but the actual site [19:50] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] Oh, it's shut down [19:50] schestowitz proprietary software [19:50] schestowitz then we're lectured by them on RMS and FSF [19:50] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] are we saying server rental is antifree now [19:50] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: And then by someone called rasengan [19:50] schestowitz https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2015-12/msg00188.html [19:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.gnu.org | Re: Please, no GitHub [19:50] schestowitz 2015 [19:50] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] > Co-authored-by: Andrew Lee [19:51] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] That's not a "signed by"? [19:51] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] lol [19:51] schestowitz can we go back on topic? [19:51] schestowitz IRC wars are unproductive now [19:51] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: he probably meant https://rms-open-letter.github.io/ [19:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An open letter to remove Richard M. Stallman from all leadership positions | rms-open-letter.github.io [19:51] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] We're travelling through circular logic [19:51] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] MinceR: ah [19:51] schestowitz we found something else to focus on, like Mozilla and then cars that spy on people [19:51] schestowitz trolls like to change the subject to sex [19:51] schestowitz and then moan about statements that aren't P-C re sex [19:52] schestowitz in IRC it just leads to friction [19:52] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] On a good side I just noticed that freenode's GitHub page is archived [19:52] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] this could be a good thing or a bad thing [19:52] schestowitz XRevan86 for the record, it's a truly IMpractical piece of hardware that says little but "look at me, I AM RICH! CAN AFFORD" [19:53] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] schestowitz: In a FOSS community that's actually not a good look. [19:53] schestowitz XRevan86 he told me something about self-hosting, IIRC [19:53] schestowitz git [19:53] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] XRevan86: which one? [19:53] schestowitz git.freenode [19:53] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Car insurance is a scam like home insurance. [19:53] schestowitz [02:39] thanks, wish you'd have a self-hosted git repo tbh [19:53] schestowitz [02:41] http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [19:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [19:53] schestowitz [02:44] ah true, i'll move everything to git.freenode.net soon xD [19:53] tr-bridge [XRevan86/tr] https://git.freenode.net/ indeed, that's good [19:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | Projects Explore GitLab [19:54] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Basically they take your money and if the slightest little thing happens, your new rate next renewal cycle is what you were paying plus three times what the claim cost them spread out over 3 years. [19:54] schestowitz we managed to convince many projects already [19:54] schestowitz rockylinus moved off github to self-hosted gitlab [19:54] schestowitz our campaign has been hugely successful [19:54] schestowitz and the message spreads fast [19:55] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Insurance is heads I win, tails you lose for the insurance people. [19:55] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] In theory, you can get uninsured motorist coverage in case someone else is driving illegally, but then you're at war with your own insurance company, who will try to pay nothing or as little as possible, and you'll have to find a lawyer to sue them with. [19:55] techrights-bot Seems like #freenode decided to #deletegithub (and never mind your opinion on FN, that's a positive) https://git.freenode.net/explore [19:56] techrights-bot How Free & Open Source Software Can Save Online Privacy http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152244 [19:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How Free & Open Source Software Can Save Online Privacy | Tux Machines [19:56] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] This isn't my first barbecue. [19:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: very unlikely I will own a car again [19:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] because friends of mine show me what's in their new 'cars' [19:56] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Health insurance is nastier yet. BTW, since Trump deleted the fine for not buying it, the insurance companies have come back to the table to throw in more sweeteners into the pot. [19:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] and it's lots of computing I can't tell the agency to omit [19:57] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] also, insurance companies charge more [19:57] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] like energy providers here, if you don't have "smart" meter and use their "web site" [19:57] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Car insurance is not mandatory in like a state or two and, wouldn't you know it, those are the cheapest places to get it. [19:58] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Even though people can drive uninsured and the state won't penalize them for it, which would theoretically add more risk to the pool of drivers. Since you don't have to buy it, they have to lower prices to get you to say that's a good risk/benefit calculation. [19:58] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Imagine that. [19:59] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Risk: You give the insurance company money every month even if nothing happens. Benefit: If you hit someone, the insurance kicks in and you aren't facing a major lawsuit. [19:59] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Instead of the state making it a criminal misdemeanor and that's the only thing most people think about. ● Jun 13 [20:00] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] So prices go down because you're looking purely at what the insurance is actually worth, and the price going down means some people would buy it even if they would choose to break the law if it required it. [20:00] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] So some of the uninsured problem is self-canceling due to choice bringing down price. [20:01] schestowitz it's a big issue [20:01] schestowitz hardly anyone speaks about this [20:01] schestowitz BTW, out of curiosity, does anyone know if RMS ever drove a car? [20:01] schestowitz I guess that's similar to asking is he had a driver's licence [20:02] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] It's a good idea to have a license even if you have no car. [20:02] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] It means you could drive a car if you ever needed to, even if you normally don't. [20:03] schestowitz you can rent [20:03] schestowitz but it's tricky [20:03] BaronVladimirHar Yes. [20:03] schestowitz lots of paperwork and stuff [20:03] schestowitz so hardly worth the hassle [20:03] schestowitz better to hitch a taxi [20:03] schestowitz my licence is still valid [20:03] schestowitz renewed 2 years ago [20:04] BaronVladimirHar The only difference between state id and driver's license assuming you don't let the license lapse more than a year is that every 4 years you owe Illinois $10 more for the license. [20:04] schestowitz they don't expire just cause you don't drive much, you just need to ensure you extend/renew it [20:04] BaronVladimirHar Yes, once you have a license just don't allow it to lapse and it's not especially burdensome to maintain compared to an ID. [20:04] schestowitz i find many of today's cars not attractive enough, the new ones, because they automate too much (no manual) and they spy a lot [20:05] schestowitz it's like using 'chromebook [20:05] schestowitz instead of 'real' computers [20:05] *lchapoguzman has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:05] BaronVladimirHar I have an automatic transmission. It was before GM used those stupid Continuously Variable Transmission designs. [20:05] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i wish i had bought a car with an automatic transmission [20:06] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] it would probably make congestion a lot less annoying [20:06] BaronVladimirHar Where you have to chuck the entire thing every 50,000 miles or so because it blew up and mechanics can't fix it. The CVT ones are fucking terrible. [20:06] *lchapoguzman (~lou@rrcs-24-43-84-163.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #techrights [20:06] schestowitz lowering 'barrier to entry' wrt to car presents new issues [20:07] schestowitz like people ON the road, who probably should not be there [20:07] MinceR we've had that issue for ages [20:07] schestowitz because they'd bang you inside your cars and stuff, or worse, as pedestrian [20:07] *lchapoguzman has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:07] BaronVladimirHar If you maintain a regular electro-hydrostatic transmission they normally last hundreds of thousands of miles. [20:07] MinceR it didn't really depend on automatizing things [20:08] schestowitz did not help either [20:08] BaronVladimirHar If you change out the fluid every 60,000 miles or so, indefinite lifespan. At least as long as the engine in 90% of the cases. [20:08] schestowitz my mom is a really awful driver [20:08] *lchapoguzman (~lou@rrcs-24-43-84-163.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #techrights [20:08] BaronVladimirHar So it mine. [20:08] schestowitz which makes sense, she doesn't ride bikes, doesn't play computer games etc. [20:08] BaronVladimirHar *is [20:08] schestowitz coordination skills aren't something people are born with [20:08] BaronVladimirHar All these companies do CVT now because it gives them better CAFE fines. [20:09] BaronVladimirHar But it forces the car into astronomical repair costs soon after the warranty ends. [20:09] schestowitz cars suck now [20:09] BaronVladimirHar Toyota is the only company that makes a reliable CVT. [20:09] schestowitz we can agree on that [20:09] MinceR eCVT is nice [20:09] schestowitz never mind the tehc [sic] they strap onto them [20:09] MinceR but even more expensive [20:09] schestowitz like I need beeps to help me park [20:10] BaronVladimirHar It's worse. They gave me a loaner at the Kia dealer. [20:10] schestowitz "shut the f up, I know I'm near to that car, I'm not blind" [20:10] BaronVladimirHar It almost lane assisted me into a car accident. [20:10] BaronVladimirHar Fighting me for the wheel while I was running out of ramp. [20:10] MinceR LKA can be turned off [20:10] schestowitz all sorts of useful features [20:10] MinceR i turned it off [20:10] schestowitz and selling points [20:10] schestowitz tech with little or no practical value, maybe showoff [20:10] schestowitz and it doesn't lower repair costs [20:11] schestowitz it drives them way up, not even mechanical, so cannot fix it yourself [20:11] BaronVladimirHar I've been driving long enough to know how to merge onto a highway but the car didn't think I had enough room and almost drove me into a Ginsu guardrail. [20:11] schestowitz MinceR: you paid for it [20:11] schestowitz patent licensing, too [20:11] BaronVladimirHar No more Ryan. Courtesy of Kia. [20:11] MinceR still got a pretty good deal [20:12] schestowitz electric windows are hard and expensive to repair [20:12] schestowitz some people won't repair them [20:12] MinceR electric windows are also convenient [20:12] schestowitz would rather just keep them permanently shut [20:12] MinceR and you can move all the windows [20:12] MinceR if you want a lot of fresh air, you can open all the windows without leaving the driver's seat [20:12] BaronVladimirHar You get this crap on new cars because some fucking retard out there opened their door and then threw the car into reverse while standing on the gas pedal to get his cheeseburger at McDonalds. Now we all have to suffer because of Big Daddy Government. [20:12] MinceR and you can close them all afterwards [20:13] schestowitz that's the "killer feature" if you drive alone in a car heavier than you need [20:13] MinceR i kind of wished i had a moon roof too, when i drove in the forest, turned off the AC, opened all the windows and enjoyed the air [20:13] MinceR needs are not that easy to predict [20:13] BaronVladimirHar Back in the 1980s many cars never even had a shift actuator. [20:13] schestowitz it messes up the cleanliness [20:14] schestowitz and you can get poop on the seats from birds and stuff [20:14] schestowitz in a forest you get cones [20:14] BaronVladimirHar Most people lived because they were far less stupid back then. [20:14] MinceR i would keep them closed in most cases, and i don't mind cones [20:14] schestowitz the car becomes like garden furniture [20:14] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Who stands on the gas pedal, with the door open, and the car in reverse? [20:15] MinceR lol [20:15] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] It's not someone I want in my phone book. (Paraphrasing Bill Hicks.) [20:15] schestowitz lol [20:15] schestowitz "Drop dead" hicks [20:15] schestowitz he dropped dead, fast [20:15] schestowitz too much smoking [20:15] *lchapoguzman has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:16] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Yeah. It's something for everyone. [20:16] techrights-bot "After watching Raku, the Big by Bruce Gray I can only agree with the assessment of how difficult it is to teach Raku to a beginner." https://gfldex.wordpress.com/2021/06/13/teaching-on-a-waterbed/ #programming #perl #rakulang [20:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gfldex.wordpress.com | Teaching on a waterbed | Playing Perl 6b6xA Raku [20:16] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] For Garrett, it'll be Grindr. [20:16] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152245 [20:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [20:16] *lchapoguzman (~lou@rrcs-24-43-84-163.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #techrights [20:17] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] It almost led to the untimely demise of John a few times, like the time he met that Mexican guy who said let's go into that wooded area where nobody can see us messing around, just away from where anyone can see us from the L. [20:17] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Oh, and now I have a gun. Hoe hoe hoe! [20:17] schestowitz "I don't see nuthin' wrong... with a lil' bump & grindr" [20:17] schestowitz then it turned out he was like Epstein [20:17] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] ("Now I have a machine gun....ho ho ho...." -Hans Gruber, Die Hard) [20:17] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Get it? Die Hard. [20:18] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] I'm on fire today. [20:18] schestowitz won't be hard for long [20:18] schestowitz the circulation starts with the heart [20:18] MinceR lol [20:19] schestowitz like that scene in Lolita where he shoots that old pervert [20:19] schestowitz in his robe [20:19] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] I liked that movie Hard Candy. [20:19] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Was that the name of it? [20:19] schestowitz I think just "Lolita" [20:19] schestowitz maybe we can find scenes [20:20] schestowitz or maybe ask Bill Gates [20:20] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The only reason I get to see a lot of this stuff is because of torrents because they don't put it in the library, they don't put it in the theater, they don't put it on Netfucks. [20:20] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Where are you supposed to see it at? [20:20] schestowitz he might have some engineers with portable drives and the whole thing [20:20] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_(1997_film) [20:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Lolita (1997 film) - Wikipedia [20:20] schestowitz it was a very successful film in its days [20:21] schestowitz I guess now there would be reasons not to even produce such a film [20:21] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] "You need to pay the artists." Okay, how? "Well, you give us 100% of the money and we give them 1% of what you paid us." Uhhhh. "And if you bittorrent, we'll sue." Okay....... "Also, it's not available on that streaming app. Buy another subscription." [20:21] schestowitz "The performances by Irons and Swain impressed audiences, but, although praised by some critics for its faithfulness to Nabokov's narrative, the film received a mixed critical reception in the United States. Lolita was met with much controversy in Australia, where it was not given a theatrical release until April 1999." [20:22] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] So this is a feed the sparrows through the horses deal, with the MAFIAA outfits like Disney and such. [20:23] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Then it turns into something shittier and more expensive than cable TV packages because there's 12 apps and they all cost $15 a month. [20:23] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Why is everything "feed the sparrows through the horses"? [20:23] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] From taxes to copyrights? [20:23] techrights-bot Ooooof. "Masters" in the title. #IBM should send out racist Watson to publish this site... https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/tag/linux-on-chromebooks/ [20:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aboutchromebooks.com | Linux on Chromebooks Archives - About Chromebooks [20:23] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Also, that's a bad analogy. Horses can be made to work. [20:23] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Bezos, Cook, and Gates don't work. [20:24] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Gates slipped out of the office when he was at MSFT each day and was banging all sorts of women as a side piece from his wife. [20:25] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Bezos pays no income taxes because he gets paid in stock. The reason he wants stock is because you don't pay taxes on stocks until you sell them, and you pay Capital Gains, which is half the rate of income when you sell them. [20:25] techrights-bot #Intel updates #Linux with support for Sapphire Rapids' in-package HBM2e memory | TechSpot https://www.techspot.com/news/90043-intel-updates-linux-support-sapphire-rapids-package-hbm2e.html #techspot | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/13/#latest [20:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel updates Linux with support for Sapphire Rapids' in-package HBM2e memory | TechSpot [20:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [20:25] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] NPR left out the bit about Capital Gains being 15% instead of over 30%. [20:26] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] At the very worst, with Capital Gains, you pay a tax rate that's less than what my mom does as a nurse. [20:26] schestowitz NPR now tops up Gates bribery with Microsoft bribery [20:26] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Why wouldn't you want to be paid in stock? [20:26] schestowitz as recently disclosed... in an article... ABOUT Microsoft [20:26] MinceR a natural combination [20:26] schestowitz NPR: bribed-supported programme [20:27] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Also, if it goes down for whatever reason, you can declare a loss and carry it forward. [20:27] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] You can't do that with income. [20:27] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Trump paid no tax for 20 years because his casino in New Jersey went down so hard in 1995. [20:27] schestowitz *bribes-supported [20:28] schestowitz like his mate Shilton [20:28] schestowitz but [20:28] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] It would be nice if you could do it with income. [20:28] schestowitz but he didn't go down hard [20:28] schestowitz he went down soft [20:28] schestowitz *Shleton [20:28] schestowitz though the typo was funnier [20:28] schestowitz he was a SHILLton for Orange Monster [20:28] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] I got a $200,000 hospital bill. I make $30,000 a year. I won't be paying taxes for several years while I recover from this mess. Thanks! [20:29] schestowitz you make income? [20:29] schestowitz you don't even work [20:29] MinceR "you guys are getting paid?" [20:29] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Things wipe out wage earners all the time and the only thing you can do is maybe declare it as a deduction for that tax year, but only to the extent that your tax doesn't go lower than zero for one year. [20:30] schestowitz https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt [20:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tradingeconomics.com | United States Government Debt | 1942-2021 Data | 2022-2023 Forecast | Historical [20:30] schestowitz 2012: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722 [20:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | Reuters [20:30] schestowitz 2021 would maybe be that number, twice over! [20:30] schestowitz "who do we owe all that money to??????" [20:31] schestowitz "ask the man who owns the most farmland" [20:31] schestowitz https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/ [20:31] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Like, if Mandy or I got a ridiculous medical bill that year, I'd declare that instead of our standard deduction. But it's unlikely, because his plan limits his out of pockets to like $6,830 and the standard deduction is $12,500 per taxpayer. [20:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation [20:32] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: did you see [14:32] When you can tell news is slow: @michaelLarabal I'ma gonna write about ma table again ;-) https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=L-Shaped-Desk-Holding-Up ? [20:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Last Year's L-Shaped Desk Build Has Been Holding Up Well - Phoronix [20:32] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] desks are tech [20:32] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] tehc !! [20:32] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Trump lowered taxes on wage earners, but not by as much as it seemed. [20:33] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The personal exemption could still be declared even if you itemized. [20:34] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] I don't know exactly how much more we'd end up paying the IRS using the pre-2017 tax code. Probably like $500-600 more over the course of a year. Which is not an amount of money I want to lose to the government. [20:34] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] But it benefited the rich a hell of a lot more, and the government did not slow down spending, so it comes back as inflation and regular peons lose anyway. Even more than the tax savings. [20:35] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Tax cuts appear to stimulate the economy more than they actually do. GDP goes up by a staggering amount, but it's in inflated dollars. [20:36] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Biden is reaping GDP numbers that are wholly a result of inflation from Trump's tax law, ridiculous and unsustainable deficit spending, and recovery to a level of activity that was normal anyway before the Coronavirus. [20:36] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] This is no miracle. [20:36] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] This is another raid on the Treasury, using the Cold Virus 2019 as pretext. [20:37] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] There's no evidence that the world got out of this Coronavirus pandemic any better off, relatively speaking, than it did when the Coronavirus that caused the Russian Flu of 1890 emerged. [20:37] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Despite the advances in technology. [20:38] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Then it fades into the background and becomes Common Cold cause number 1,001 and the government will take credit for it. [20:39] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Mayor Beetlejuice was declaring victory yesterday. The state's in ruins. Chicago is ruined. A million Americans are dead. [20:39] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Victory! [20:39] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Hey, Navy Pier is open. [20:41] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Beetlejuice and JaBba Pritzker need the taxes. How will there be any government workers if you don't spend until you die? [20:42] techrights-bot A Guide to Emulation with #RetroPie - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/retro-game-emulation-retropie/ #maketecheasier | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/13/#latest [20:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | A Guide to Emulation with RetroPie - Make Tech Easier [20:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [20:43] techrights-bot "Bill quits Manjaro and comments on documentation. We get more feedback on the #Pinebook Pro, questions about browsers, and an additional alternative to LastPass." https://goinglinux.com/shownotes.html#glp409 #gnu #linux [20:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-goinglinux.com | Going Linux Shownotes [20:44] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] schestowitz, State/City costs you 20% in taxes if you buy something off of Steam. [20:44] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Not sure about Gog. [20:44] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] What did Illinois or Chicago do to make my video game download more valuable? [20:44] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] You can tell them you live in Indiana though. They don't check. [20:45] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/funny-pictures-5-5-21-23.jpg [20:45] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Taxation is theft, so avoiding taxes is no more immoral than seeing some guy that's shifty and probably has a gun coming down the block and changing course to avoid him. [20:45] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] MinceR probably agrees. :) [20:46] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] usually yes, but if different people get different chances at avoiding theft, that can be unfair [20:46] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Jeff Bezos doesn't pay anything, and spends his savings going into spaaaaaaace. [20:46] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] So I'm supposed to feel bad about telling Steam I'm in Indiana? [20:47] *tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] changes VPN to Indianapolis. [20:47] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] "Indiana" (quotation fingers) [20:47] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] probably not [20:48] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] If I have a tax savings, I'll spend it on food, which Illinois taxes, or medicine, which they tax, or rent, which they tax. [20:48] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] So they'll get it anyway. [20:48] techrights-bot "If you are a #GNU #Linux user you definitely need to try YOGA. It is free and open source image optimizer, which is a great choice for any site owner that cares about image optimization and performance. The image compression is very effective and optimized images being a lot smaller in size." https://linuxiac.com/yoga-image-optimizer/ [20:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | Image Optimizer for Free: Meet YOGA and Learn How to Use it [20:48] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Rick Green (The New Red Green Show) was telling Harold that by avoiding tax, he'd spend it and they'd tax everyone along the way and get it all anyway. [20:48] techrights-bot #Games : Quake, Smach Z, and DLSS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152246 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Quake, Smach Z, and DLSS | Tux Machines [20:49] techrights-bot Audiocasts/Shows: Going Linux, Ubuntu Unity 21.04, and This Week in Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152247 [20:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Going Linux, Ubuntu Unity 21.04, and This Week in Linux | Tux Machines [20:49] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, The Impala is turning into the "Possum Van" anyway. [20:49] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy! [20:49] techrights-bot Kernel Stuf and Intels Latest Linux Changes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152248 [20:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel Stuf and Intel's Latest Linux Changes | Tux Machines [20:50] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] DaemonFC: how many possums live in it? [20:50] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] I might do one of those duct tape repairs on my leather seats if they get any worse. [20:51] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Running the Impala makes sense because I have a repair budget this way vs running something newer that doesn't break down a lot. [20:51] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] People don't appreciate a beater car. [20:52] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The Impala doesn't generally "just break down". It's a bunch of parts that just wear down and start making a disconcerting "If you don't fix me, I will snap." noise. [20:57] techrights-bot #9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: June 13th, 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152249 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: June 13th, 2021 | Tux Machines [20:58] techrights-bot In the Second Year of #KWinFT http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152250 [20:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | In the Second Year of KWinFT | Tux Machines ● Jun 13 [21:01] *lchapoguzman has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:01] *lchapoguzman (~lou@rrcs-24-43-84-163.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #techrights [21:03] *lchapoguzman has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [21:03] *lchapoguzman (~lou@rrcs-24-43-84-163.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #techrights [21:04] *lchapoguzman has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [21:05] techrights-bot #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152251 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [21:06] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:07] *acer-box______ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:07] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:08] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] I've taken to just making my own spaghetti sauce and ketchup. [21:08] *acer-box______ (~acer-box@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [21:08] -NickServ-acer-box______!~acer-box@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [21:08] *acer-box______ has quit (Changing host) [21:08] *acer-box______ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [21:08] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [21:08] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The store bought stuff is sky high in sodium and I can avoid like 80% of that if I make my own. [21:08] *libertybox (~schestowi@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [21:09] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] It's ridiculous just how bad shopping for food is for you. Like 90% of the stuff at the supermarket is stuff that your doctor will wag the finger over. [21:09] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] It's getting to the point where the only thing left to eat will be Bill's Burgers and a side salad. [21:12] *saint_dogbert (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [21:16] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] schestowitz, The government itself now says that inflation's the worst it has been since 1992. [21:17] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] If that's what they'll admit to, then ruh roh. [21:17] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Inflation is boiling over, they admit it's boiling over, then in the same breath they say it isn't a problem. [21:18] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] they'll just print more money :> [21:18] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Which is what started the problem to begin with. [21:19] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The fire department has come out and is spraying the 5 alarm fire with fresh gasoline. [21:19] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] it's not a problem for them :> [21:20] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] No, this is stagflation being presented as an economic miracle. [21:20] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] They couldn't pass it by people in the 70s because they were too smart for it back then. [21:20] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] fucking up and presenting it as a miracle is so 21st century [21:21] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.91 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.00 swarm size (avg): 244.54 [21:21] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] like uefi and systemd [21:24] techrights-bot Links 13/6/2021: Linux 5.14 Work, Lots of Patent News http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/lots-of-patent-news/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/13/lots-of-patent-news/ [21:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 13/6/2021: Linux 5.14 Work, Lots of Patent News | Techrights [21:25] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152252 [21:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [21:25] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152253 [21:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's hardware leftovers | Tux Machines [21:26] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152254 [21:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [21:32] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@76-234-138-224.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [21:33] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] wb, AdmFubar [21:35] techrights-bot KDE Framework 5.84 - Expandable Tooltips http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152255 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Framework 5.84 - Expandable Tooltips | Tux Machines [21:37] AdmFubar hi roy [21:37] techrights-bot #geminiProtocol helps reduce linking clutter. Text first, references at the end (or every now and then) https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006684.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006687.html [21:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006684.html ) [21:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | In Body URI references [21:39] techrights-bot Today we improved this #techrights page in the Gemini capsule gemini://gemini.techrights.org/about/ about 8,000 page requests today (gemini:// alone) [21:39] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Howdy room. [21:40] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I noticed my home based cable internet provider is big on blocking self hosting websites. [21:40] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] IPFS sneaks through since it isn't using a port per se. [21:40] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] howdy [21:40] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] try gemini also [21:40] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] it's light [21:40] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Have you guys found a way to host gemini with annoying home providers? [21:41] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] that block hosting? [21:41] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] about 1 megabyes per 100 page requests [21:41] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] home hosting is hard because of upstream speeds [21:41] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] they cripple that [21:41] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] superficially most of the time [21:41] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] maybe we have a gemini/ipfs combo deal going already :> [21:41] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] it also helps stifle high throughput p2p [21:41] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] yep. [21:41] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] except Windows Update ^_^ [21:41] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] the "approved" botnet [21:42] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I thought I saw some gateways between the two but didn't see any clear guides on setting up your own. [21:42] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] you can combine them [21:42] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] chaining them [21:42] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] This new cable router I think is blocking at the Layer two level. [21:42] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] we did that to a degree [21:42] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] it might help if you want to host videos [21:42] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] over gemini [21:42] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I am thinking a pretty simple text site. [21:42] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] gemini is terrible is doing large files, not even crc's [21:43] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] but I am uncertain how to link my domain with ddns such that my home IP doesn't bitch about me hosting something. [21:43] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I was just doing some maintenance work on gemini://gemini.techrights.org/ [21:43] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] other than say a VPN. [21:43] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] yeah, I was looking over that site. [21:43] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I like the direction it is taking. [21:43] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] iirc, ddns will give you a subdomain [21:44] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] and let you manage the ip for it [21:44] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] yes, it does, but then the cable modem blocks the IP requests. [21:44] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] if you set up a decent capsule you can get your own domain and managed it for dns cheaply [21:44] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] *manage [21:44] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] depends on port [21:44] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] open up port 1965 [21:44] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] all right I'll give that a try. [21:45] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I thought about that...but figured they were looking for traffic to ports in general. [21:45] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] you can also host gemini on a third party, but if you are sort of technical I'd not recommend that [21:45] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] yeah, I'd prefer to host my own. [21:45] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] it can travel with you [21:45] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] exactly! [21:45] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] which is cool. [21:46] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] my personal site turns 20 soon [21:46] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] email also [21:46] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] back in the golden days of 2001 eh? [21:46] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I used to have an angelfire site back in the day. [21:46] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] that was kinda fun. [21:46] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] coming soon: windows media player DRM [21:46] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] yeah, I don't use windows for anything. [21:46] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I was on geocities in the 90s [21:46] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] yep, I remember that era as well. [21:46] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] but it was a pretty worthless site, not much of value was lost [21:47] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] A lot of it was favorite bands. [21:47] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] I still have a backup of it on some hard drive [21:47] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] but I think it encouraged people to make things. [21:47] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] which in and of itself is better than them not making anything. [21:47] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] gemini brings back the fun [21:47] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] That's what I'm looking to do. [21:47] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I started using asciidoc for a website the other day... [21:47] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] no more frequent patching and issues or botnets or fussy webhosts [21:47] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] and kept it fairly simple and enjoyed making it. [21:48] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] hosting images from home is OK until you get the "X effect" e.g. Slashdot (before it sucked) [21:48] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] lol. Yep. [21:48] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] and that's when you REALLY need to it to be robust as you get noticed [21:48] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I get censored at slashdot pretty often. [21:48] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] slash-slash [21:48] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] crossed out [21:49] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] yep. [21:49] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Slashdot [21:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Slashdot - Techrights [21:49] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] it became a shill for bill about 12 years ago [21:49] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] they even removed their epic Gates in cyborg mode icon [21:49] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] yeah, I noticed about the time it changed its graphical format to what it is now moreso. [21:49] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] too "anti" [21:49] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] we can't be anti criminals anymore [21:49] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] it's "not professional" [21:49] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] it hit too close to home [21:50] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Yeah. Or anti big money. [21:50] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] billy was offended [21:50] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] Malda is just playing games now... up to no good with Kathleen [21:50] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Did you guys see that story on vaccine stuff that Linus posted about? [21:50] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] yeah, it distracts [21:50] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] the real scandal is LF [21:50] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/ [21:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | Techrights [21:50] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] almost same week [21:50] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Yep. [21:50] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i saw it [21:51] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] some idiots of Microsoft conflated the two 'stories' [21:51] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] So if you follow the breadcrumbs in the early 00's gates was all about Diamond's "gun's germs and steel". [21:51] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] which was about the rise and fall of civilizations where plagues and wars were concerned. [21:51] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] Mixing two totally different things (vaccination and tracking): https://betanews.com/2021/06/11/linux-foundation-public-health-prepares-global-covid-19-passport-as-linus-torvalds-encourages-vaccine-uptake/ [21:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Linux Foundation Public Health prepares global COVID-19 passport as Linus Torvalds encourages vaccine uptake [21:51] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] Microsoft shill site [21:51] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] with Microsoft MVPs and all.. [21:52] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] More if not all coverage in http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152173#comment-29937 [21:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel Becomes COVID-19 Battlezone | Tux Machines [21:52] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] These tech folks are all about the vaccine. [21:52] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] and also http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152072#comment-29934 [21:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation and Kernel Latest | Tux Machines [21:52] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] follow the money. [21:53] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] makes it easy. [21:53] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] "tech folks" [21:53] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] corporations [21:53] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] tech folks code [21:53] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] we work from home [21:53] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Well, right. [21:53] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] home is different than corporate. [21:54] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] /home is systemd soon [21:54] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] systemd-homed [21:54] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] not my /home [21:54] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] So do you have say a torrent version of your site on wayback or some such? [21:54] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] MinceR: oh, just you wait [21:54] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] we have wayback yet [21:54] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] *yes [21:54] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] but not for everything [21:54] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I'm an arch guy. [21:55] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] then you're definitely getting systemd-homed :> [21:55] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I wonder if there is a way to combine something like a torrent website with some updated rss? [21:55] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Techrights%22 [21:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | Internet Archive Search: subject:"Techrights" [21:56] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Yeah, well, I may not be on arch later on down the road. [21:56] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I'm thinking about switching to openbsd. [21:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] Turns out we got mentioned in https://archive.org/details/this-week-in-linux-episode-41 [21:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | This Week in Linux 41 | Ubuntu 18.10 & Flavours, Ubuntu Studio Interview, elementary, PeerTube 1.0 : TuxDigital : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive [21:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] never heard that before... [21:56] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i'm switching to openbsd [21:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] guest345r3534: you can host things on openbsd [21:56] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] nice. [21:56] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] not sure about how many gemini servers are compiled for it [21:57] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Internet archive. [21:57] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I'm not sure what their alliances are. [21:57] *hook54321 (hook54321@gateway/bnc/hook54321) has joined #techrights [21:57] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Half the time I think they are pro free information and the other half I'm not so sure. [21:58] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] they are [21:58] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] but they are also under pressure [21:58] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] they're worth supporting [21:58] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] nice. [21:58] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I do what I can although my own business got de-platformed awhile back. [21:58] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/01/02/support-the-internet-archive/ [21:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Support the Internet Archive | Techrights [21:59] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] cost me my home as well. [21:59] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] hard to fight when you are attempting to survive on the move. [21:59] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] yup ● Jun 13 [22:00] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] well, live and learn(tm) they say.. [22:00] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] heh. I'm more of a live and survive and burn down the thing that caused the problem kind of guy. [22:00] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] bbaib, need a cuppa [22:00] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Otherwise it simply repeats. [22:01] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] so censorship and social media was caught up in a smear campaign composed of lies. [22:01] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] which basically incited a mob mentality/riot against my business. [22:01] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Most of them were extreme left politically oriented people. [22:02] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] not the save the earth kind but the get rid of everyone who doesn't fit our idea of perfection kind. [22:03] AdmFubar brb.... [22:03] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] "we can't be anti criminals anymore" [22:03] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@76-234-138-224.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) has left #techrights [22:04] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] If you think someone should be in jail because they set your car on fire, that's racist. -mjg [22:04] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] errr - mjg59 [22:04] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I am sure if someone sets my car on fire they won't mind if I take the same liberty with theirs. [22:04] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] right? ;) [22:05] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] If you think someone should be punished for throwing bricks through the window and looting a local business that is owned by immigrants, that's also racist. [22:05] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] no, that is a generalisation [22:05] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The looters are just getting their "reparations". [22:05] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] and extrapolation [22:05] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] those looters are a minitor [22:05] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] minority [22:05] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] heh. Yeah. Minority rage. [22:06] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] among a certain minority [22:06] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Minority Report. [22:06] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] (Chicago Predictive Policing.....get it? Hahaha. I crack myself up.) [22:06] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] it's also wrong to insinuate every Arab is a terrorist [22:06] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] You might commit a crime in the future 1984 style. [22:06] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, ^ [22:06] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I take things on a case by case basis myself. [22:07] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] but I never underestimate the power of dumb hurds. [22:07] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] herds. [22:07] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] GNU HURD [22:07] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] ya herd? [22:07] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] yeah, that slipped in there. [22:07] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] it can be a herd of hurds [22:07] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] You might get shot! Our AI is making sure this is a likely future. Those assholes over here see the police talking to you a lot because of the software. The number of alternative futures in the multiverse go down. [22:07] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Which is no hurd at all. [22:07] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] WHOA. Mind blown. [22:08] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurd_(disambiguation) [22:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hurd (disambiguation) - Wikipedia [22:08] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] :> [22:08] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I think perhaps the internet being created in light of nuclear war tips the communication scale unfavorably. [22:08] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The software could be useful. [22:08] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] there is no more software [22:08] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Anyone the police want shot, they can just say the software told them to talk to that person a lot until the gangs think they're a snitch and take care of it for them. [22:09] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] we now have "Smart" and "apps" [22:09] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] They do "hey hi" [22:09] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Augmented reality is another fun thing. [22:09] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] chrome with remote updates [22:09] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] the algorithm made me do it. [22:09] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] what it does today it won't do tomorrow [22:09] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@76-234-138-224.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [22:09] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] I was reading a blog by a former cop about this guy in Kentucky who has been arrested thousands of times and gets days in jail each time. [22:09] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] (or vice versa) [22:10] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] He was wondering how much these bums cost society. [22:10] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Kentucky is where my ordeal happened. [22:10] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Well, what if..... [22:10] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] it is especially corrupt police-wise. [22:10] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Instead of paying for them, you just have the cops show up and talk to them for a moment and then leave now and then. [22:10] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Let the criminals shoot them and then no more disorderly conducts from that guy. [22:10] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] If it is in KY, he's probably part of the force. [22:11] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] He was talking about how police in California used to do it. [22:11] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] ROund up the bums and stick them on a freight train that was leaving the state. [22:11] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Yeah, there is a pretty strong CA to KY linkage. [22:11] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] They usually go thousands of miles between stops [22:11] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] As soon as the bums get off the train they'll never be able to make it back to California. [22:12] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] btw, if you don't mind me interjecting [22:12] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Problem solved. [22:12] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] it's not a wing issue [22:12] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] censorship is a class issue [22:12] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] and people on both so-called 'sides' get gagged [22:12] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I agree. [22:12] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] you have your little fun [22:12] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] until you piss of the wrong people [22:12] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] with power, money, connection [22:12] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I would say it is more a deep state issue. [22:12] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] mjg59 is high on his own supply, like most people who live in California. [22:12] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] then there are many ways they can bankrupt and/or silence you [22:13] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] yep. That's what I went through. [22:13] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] In 1999, the state went to court over a law that made it illegal to bring a bum into the state. [22:13] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] but there are ways to use tech that's more robust to ti [22:13] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I agree with that as well. I think the DNS is a weak point. [22:13] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: "no state" and "anarchy state" are the same thing [22:13] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] they used to talk about flat models once in awhile. [22:13] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] ipfs bypasses dns [22:13] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] and anarchy has turned out to be worse than most other systems, even some dictatorships [22:13] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] gemini does not [22:13] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] yep, it does. [22:13] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] which is why I think gemini has a problem there. [22:13] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] we have IPNS in IPFS [22:14] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] I about died laughing when South Park portrayed homeless people as zombies bumming for change. [22:14] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: when and where was it implemented, and how did it fail? [22:14] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] anarchy has no end. [22:14] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] due to cert/tls reqs gemini also makes it hard to run without dns [22:14] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Cartman lures them all into California with a bus playing "Californa! Super cool to the homeless! California! Super cool to the homeless!". [22:14] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] right, which is troubling-- [22:14] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] schestowitz: i heard gemini is using TOFU instead of PKI [22:15] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: how do you like somalia, syria, etc? [22:15] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] want to live there? [22:15] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] since DNS is the big achille's heal. [22:15] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: afaik that's not what happened in either of those places [22:15] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] immibis: they have a state [22:15] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] too much of it [22:15] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] Assad was like monarchy [22:15] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] since his dad [22:15] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: afaik both of those places were (are?) ruled by religious zealots [22:15] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Cloudflare snagged some pretty sweet DOD contracts. [22:15] kingoffrance "i am the state" " i am the revolution"" we are the state" anarchy and states are relative [22:15] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] so the analogy is deeply flawed [22:16] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The more shit mjg59 has to step in on his way from his $5,000 a month studio to his $20 coffees, the better. [22:16] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] well that's what happens when you have anarchy. nature abhors a vacuum. someone will fill that role. [22:16] kingoffrance have to say : what type of "state" you mean first [22:16] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] They voted for this. They ought to suffer with it. [22:16] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] like claiming county X failed because of "regime type" rather than US/NATO sanctions [22:16] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] and it's most likely someone you'd rather wouldn't fill that role [22:16] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I think Regular Show dealt with anarchy well. [22:16] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: that's what happens in autocracy and democracy [22:16] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] eventually if there are no rules, then is there a rule against having...rules? [22:16] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] in anarchy what stops me from declaring that I am the king and convincing all the people that I am the king? [22:16] kingoffrance nothing, thats why corporations love anarchy [22:16] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] immibis: no syria was there when the french/british divided the land [22:16] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] you might say people won't allow themselves to be convinced of that. but where do you suppose the first kings came from? clearly it's happened in the past [22:17] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] after Ottoman empire i think [22:17] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] immibis, The fact that if they start believing you, the ATF will firebomb your compound including the women and children. [22:17] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: the idea is to dispel the idea that people have the right to rule over other people [22:17] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Well, I think people all have different talents. [22:17] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: at some point in the past, they didn't, and then at some point after that, they did. Clearly it is possible to get from A to B, and some bad actor will make it happen [22:17] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] not everyone is going to be equally good at doing the things that need doing. [22:17] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: MOVE? [22:17] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] ? [22:18] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] you mentioned "firebomb your compound including the women and children." [22:18] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] many never forgot [22:18] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] when the police becomes just an army [22:18] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] If you don't want to die, just don't speak against the Clintons. [22:18] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: then clearly some bad actors need to be stopped from making it happen with violence [22:18] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] and the uniform/badge falls off [22:18] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] That was the whole point of the government murdering all of those people. Shock and motherfucking awe. [22:18] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: for example, a group of people may decide to group together for better coordination and will elect one person to lead the group [22:18] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing [22:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | 1985 MOVE bombing - Wikipedia [22:18] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: and eventually they might decide to disobey that one person [22:19] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, That SG-1 episode with the Goa'uld Seth was obviously based on the Branch Davidians. [22:19] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: it doesn't have to be involuntary [22:19] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: indeed, but if the person is a good leader, they will not [22:19] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] good for them [22:19] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: and then the group ends up being more efficient and has better guns so they invade their neighbours [22:19] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i haven't seen nor heard about good leaders in a long time [22:19] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Mince, again, don't piss off the Clintons. [22:19] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] (and there is nobody to stop them besides the neighbours because it's anarchy) [22:19] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] guest345r3534: is immibis a clinton? [22:19] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] klingon [22:19] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] mincer, you never know! [22:20] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] guest345r3534: is MinceR a natural order denialist? [22:20] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] that's the thing about the clintons. [22:20] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: people can still have morals [22:20] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: only takes one without [22:20] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] not really [22:20] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] or a few [22:20] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The government killed one of the Bundys for occupying a ranger station at a wildlife reserve. [22:20] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] people can gang up to protect the rights of others [22:20] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: is oppression the "natural order"? [22:20] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] and people can also gang up to violate the rights of others [22:20] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I think Kant pretty much covered that and before him the whole Do unto others. [22:20] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] the natural order is might makes right. The only way we've managed to build a civilization is by grouping the majority of people on the "moral" side of that equation so that side has more might [22:20] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] and people can stop pretending that violating the rights of others is justified [22:20] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The whole protest involved them refusing to pay a fee for having their cattle eating grass out in the middle of nowhere that nobody cared about except the Bureau of Land Management. [22:21] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: we have failed to build a civilization [22:21] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] BLM [22:21] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] before it was another BLM [22:21] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I think we built a civilization...it is just falling apart. [22:21] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] and then the gov. used MOAR force [22:21] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Rome did it before us. [22:21] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] if you abolish civilization, you will have roughly equal amounts of might on all sides; whoever randomly ends up with an advantage will snowball it [22:21] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] and so on. [22:21] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: when the idea is that "we need to pick someone to oppress us so that other people don't get to oppress us", that's not civilization [22:21] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] immibis, but that's pretty much history. [22:22] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] present, too [22:22] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] yep. [22:22] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] guest345r3534: let me guess, the decline of rome was somehow caused by homosexuality? [22:22] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] immibis, I doubt that helped. [22:22] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Libertarians are generally portrayed as crazy right wing extremists for wanting to bring an end to the hell of the two party system and the Welfare-Warfare State's perversions and horrible effect on the living standard of the public. [22:22] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] well that's unusual. usually people try to link it to homosexuality [22:22] kingoffrance for america there was no separate "state" entity, in theory. "by of for the people" as soon as ppl start talking about some other "state" the animals have left the farm and the door is wide open [22:22] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I think that was a contributing factor. [22:22] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: no, libertarians are crazy extremists because they're crazy extremists. The total lack of a state is just as bad as an overbearing state [22:22] kingoffrance the "non-people" "state" was a different kind of state that america supposedly rejected [22:23] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Maybe folks wouldn't need welfare as much if the state wasn't running off with 40% of their money. [22:23] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] kingoffrance: a "state" is just an abstraction "we the people" made up to organize collective activity [22:23] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I think the state has to first enforce the rights it declares itself responsible for enforcing. [22:23] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] If you're extremely lucky, you only work for free from January to May to feed into this crap. [22:23] kingoffrance immibis/tr: sure, but anarchy is just a different set of "we the people" [22:24] kingoffrance a non-state is a non-sequitor if state is just "the people" [22:24] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: not all states do even pretend that they're democratic [22:24] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Then the state passes welfare programs you don't even qualify for, usually to compel people to pop out units who live in extreme poverty and violence despite the welfare, and keep the cycle going. [22:24] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] government is just a better arms clique [22:24] kingoffrance i think you hinted at that with differerent factions etc. [22:24] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] with tribes or groups like parties [22:24] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: i think most people can agree that tax money shouldn't be spent on a lot of the stuff the US government is currently spending it on. They just don't think that means it's okay to abolish all taxes forever [22:24] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Well, most of the conversation and resulting violence happens once free speech is dead in the water. [22:24] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] "stop spending taxes on stupid crap" is a sensible position. "abolish all taxes forever" is an extremist position [22:24] kingoffrance maybe, like religion, there are organized and unorganized states [22:24] kingoffrance :) [22:24] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] pretty soon, people start figuring out ways to start messing up other people. [22:24] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Libertarians have generally settled on something like a 10% flat tax. [22:24] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] taxes on a man-made concept [22:24] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] for bartering [22:25] kingoffrance i would even say states are "exactly like religion" [22:25] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] guest345r3534: you mean like by spreading disinformation on social media? [22:25] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] everything i don't agree with is extremism [22:25] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] US taxes were made in response to the civil war. [22:25] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The state of Illinois already takes 10% of the money you spend as sales tax. [22:25] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] let's see if that changed anything [22:25] kingoffrance lol MinceR [22:25] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] nope! [22:25] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] imminibis, yep. [22:25] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] After the state income tax, and the state's transit taxes. [22:25] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] And that's after the 4 federal income taxes. [22:25] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Maybe the estate tax too, but unlikely for most. [22:25] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] money don't mean a thang [sic] [22:25] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: how do they know 10% is the optimal level, and how do they know a flat tax is the optimal kind of tax? [22:25] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] when it's man -made [22:25] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] And that's after the federal excise and tariffs. [22:25] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] and there's concept like inflation [22:26] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I think if the people making the laws for taxes are subject to taxes and have to pay them, they become more reasonable. [22:26] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] A corollary to that is if someone points a gun at you and you point one back, your negotiation position is strengthened. [22:26] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] For about half of the history of the US, there was no income tax, or there was one but you had to be incredibly wealthy in order to be compelled to pay it. [22:26] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] money is a representation of *negative* work. You receive money by receiving negative work i.e. by giving work away. you can also consider taxes on the work that is being performed: XX% of whatever you do goes to keeping society running and the rest is yours to do whatever with [22:26] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Now they hit everyone with it, even people who push carts at Walmart. [22:27] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] actually, when you put it that way, 10% seems like a quite cheap price to keep society running [22:27] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] Americans on the GOP or libertarian side like to complain about taxes, except for the rich, and not about things like medical bills [22:27] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] this society isn't worth keeping running [22:27] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The people who need the money the most are hit up for it to keep this mess going. [22:27] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] 10 percent keeps churches running. [22:27] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] we have a society that puts the worst people into positions of power over the rest of us [22:27] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] in reality it won't be 10% because you also need to pay your landlord for example. that is essentially a tax [22:27] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i'd rather not spend anything on that scam [22:27] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] immibis, yes, that's true. [22:27] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] and you need to buy food, to keep society running [22:27] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] you need to produce it [22:28] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] with water, sun, work [22:28] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The government is pretty much just an engine for loss. [22:28] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] society will collapse if people don't buy food or pay their landlords, just because they aren't included in the tax doesn't mean they're not the same class of activity [22:28] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] And it's a real gas guzzler at that. [22:28] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Just play the Oregon Trail (tm) [22:28] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] how you distribute it might not require buying and selling [22:28] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] you can have the state provided the basics [22:28] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] nobody is arguing food doesn't need to be produced [22:28] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] not even the scary socialist boogeymen [22:28] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: the current government [22:28] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Or everyone could have their own hydroponic space gardens. [22:29] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] 70's sci fi was fond of that solution. [22:29] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: some people look at that government and they go "wow, all government is bad, let's have no government ever again". Other people look at that government and they go "wow, this government is bad, let's replace it with one that's not" [22:29] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] their own [22:29] isamiamsam society won't collapse if landlords are cut out, this has been done before in history [22:29] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] or own vision of it [22:29] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Illinois doesn't even do the bare minimum a government should do. [22:29] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] it doesn't always work out at the end [22:29] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] how many governments do you need to see in order to notice the pattern? [22:29] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] People perish for lack of vision they say. [22:29] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: the remainder of the developed world is not as bad as america [22:30] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] it is still horrible [22:30] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Execute the perverts and murderers. 1. We have no death sentence, and 2. They're usually out on parole in 10 or 20 years and at it again. [22:30] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] is it? [22:30] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] indeed [22:30] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] the UK is a fucking shitshow, for example [22:30] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] it's so strange how libertarians tend to say that suffering is the natural order of nature - that "get your own food or starve" is natural - but they also tend to blame the government for the fact that they suffer [22:30] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] and afaict most of the "developed world" is ruled for part of the time at least by "conservatives" who are in formal alliance with parties that turned hungary and poland into dictatorships [22:30] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] I'm fine with the death sentence. I wasn't planning on raping and murdering anyone, so it wouldn't apply to me if they brought it back. [22:31] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: you could be falsely accused [22:31] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] yeah, being able to trace some suffering to the government must be strange [22:31] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Not my fault that there's a certain demographic that's a little more rapey and murder-prone than the rest. [22:31] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I'm not convinced liberals or conservatives have done all that well. [22:31] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] I simply look at the results. [22:31] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i wouldn't trust the state with the death sentence [22:31] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] !flip "DaemonFC is talking about" ["jews", "black people"] [22:31] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] they can't get anything right [22:31] kingoffrance guest345r3534/tr: well, person without vision will inevitably get someone else's vision [22:32] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] And by a little bit, I mean 60% of the total crime on 14% of the population. Woohoo. [22:32] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@host81-152-238-39.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [22:32] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] ah it was black people [22:32] *mmu_man_ (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [22:32] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] kingoffrance which could be implanted. [22:32] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: i bet you also think you are not racist [22:32] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Facts lead to where the facts lead. [22:32] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] DaemonFC: also, what if it did turn out to be someone's fault other than those people [22:33] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Chicago has more cameras and facial recognition than cities in the UK or even China. [22:33] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] this is the part where you pull out "everyone is responsible for their own decisions" [22:33] kingoffrance s/could be/will be/ :) [22:33] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] All right, I feel like we solved the world's problems. [22:33] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] s/decisions/actions/ [22:33] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] so I am going to get test out gemini against my ISP [22:33] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] and see if it shits on it. [22:33] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] go [22:34] tr-bridge [guest345r3534/tr] Later! [22:34] techrights-bot "Recently, Linus Torvalds had to confront a conspiracy theorist on the Linux kernel mailing list. It seems the rise in popularity of conspiracy theories coincides with the decline of critical thinking. No longer is critical thinking taught in school." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWzU82swez0 [22:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why So Many People Lack Critical Thinking Skills - YouTube [22:34] techrights-bot #openSUSE Leap 15.3 A stable base with modern applications http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152256 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | openSUSE Leap 15.3 A stable base with modern applications | Tux Machines [22:35] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, So, Stargate Atlantis. The Genii plan wasn't perfect but they probably would have destroyed at least as many Wraith with the nuclear weapons and surprise as the Atlantis expedition had they not shown up. [22:35] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i haven't seen much of SGA yet [22:35] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Perhaps more. They had 100-200 years before the Wraith woke up. Plenty of time to sneak on dozens of hives and plant a nuke. [22:35] *inky has quit (*.net *.split) [22:35] *mmu_man has quit (*.net *.split) [22:35] *liberty_box has quit (*.net *.split) [22:35] techrights-bot "...work out where there might be some problems is to simply track what you're doing to go back and analysis the data, one #freesw tool that stores all your data locally called ActivityWatch let's you do this." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmYNc-dXm2s #ActivityWatch [22:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ActivityWatch: Track Your Day With Good Telemetry - YouTube [22:37] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Shephard says the plan wouldn't have worked because some of the ships are in space, not hibernating on a planet, but all the Genii would need to do is figure out how to capture some wraith darts and use the culling beams to pick up and then plant a nuclear bomb. That might be a problem because the bomb is inorganic, but so are the clothes, guns, and devices that the culling beam [22:37] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] picks up when a human is transported. So would having a human [22:38] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] holding the bomb get the culling beam to transport the bomb? [22:38] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] :) [22:39] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Darts don't require a wraith pilot, unlike their hive ships. [22:39] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] That seems odd. [22:39] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] just cover the bomb in organic tissue, like in terminator [22:40] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Yeah, the darts have a DHD in them and can travel through stargates in space. [22:40] techrights-bot "Toy Story 2, the film where Jessie joins the adventures of Woody, Buzz Lightyeart and the rest of the toys, has an impressive story that few know. When the movie had been in production for over ten months and was almost ready, a simple Linux / Unix command to delete a file erased the entire tape without having a backup. It almost ended in catastrophe!" https://marketresearchtelecast.com/the-day-pixar-deleted-toy-story [22:40] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR seems like one of those people who lacks critical thinking skills. Only someone without those skills would think anarchy was a good idea. [22:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marketresearchtelecast.com | Market Research Telecast [22:40] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] You wouldn't even need to figure out how to land because the hive ship takes over the dart's computer and flies it into the ship for you. [22:40] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i see immibis has run out of arguments [22:40] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] You might not be able to get out, but the Genii have lots of terminally ill people because of shitty medicine and radiation exposure. [22:41] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] And many of them would volunteer to suicide bomb a wraith hive ship. [22:41] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: there is no argument that can counter the kind of stupidity that leads one to believe anarchy is a good idea. If you want to feel ranted at, read Linus's response to the antivaxxer. [22:41] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] or as it's commonly put, "you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into" [22:41] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: and yet you're still talking [22:41] *inky (~inky@141.136.79.172) has joined #techrights [22:41] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: also, apparently you've failed to understand Linus' response [22:42] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i didn't think it was so difficult to understand that it would trip up a random statist, but here we are. [22:43] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] There's a lot of plot holes here because the alternative wouldn't make a very good story. Since the multiverse is valid in Stargate canon, that means in some universes, they met the Genii first and offered to help them nuke the wraith. [22:43] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] They could use puddle jumpers to plant some of the bombs and then use the Stargate dialing macro developed by Ba'al to send out the detonation signal. [22:43] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] No wraith, end of story. [22:43] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] :> [22:43] AdmFubar https://www.salon.com/2021/06/13/big-oil-wants-you-to-believe-a-tanker-full-of-fossil-fuel-can-be-carbon-neutral/ [22:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Big Oil wants you to believe a tanker full of fossil fuel can be "carbon neutral" | Salon.com [22:44] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] if anyone was looking at #freenode today they could also see quite a lot of lacking critical thinking [22:44] *Noisytoot_ (noisytoot@fsf/member/Noisytoot) has joined #techrights [22:44] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] oh no, lots of people disagreeing with immibis [22:44] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] MinceR, Also, they just give up after Atlantis fake self-destructs and go into hyperspace. [22:45] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: see, you call anyone who thinks anarchy is bad a "statist", meant as an insult. This is the kind of thought-terminating cliche that is commonly used by people with no rational position who nonetheless need to defend it [22:45] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] They knew the Ancients had cloaking technology. They have 12 hive ships in orbit, each one of which is capable of bombarding an entire planet. [22:45] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Why not fire some volleys at where the city was to make sure it wasn't a bluff? [22:45] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] let me repeat that: *anyone who thinks anarchy is bad* [22:45] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: strange, i didn't expect a statist to consider statist an insult [22:45] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] *most people* think anarchy is bad [22:45] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: your first ad hominem against me is in the dictionary under "thought-terminating cliche" [22:45] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] but nice try [22:46] *mmu_man_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [22:46] *alynpost has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [22:46] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [22:46] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] as for the most people "argument", just observe what most people have done [22:46] techrights-bot Japan to probe #Apple and #Google in #antitrust discussions https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/222302 not #microsoft also? Why not? [22:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.appleinsider.com | Japan to probe Apple and Google in antitrust discussions - General Discussion Discussions on AppleInsider Forums [22:46] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] is this what a functioning civilization looks like? [22:46] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] but by using this terminology, you get to depersonify most people in your own mind, so that you can feel anarchists (who agree with you) are the only real people, and the rest are just idiots blindly following or something. It's the same effect as "sheeple" [22:46] *alynpost (~alynpost@irc.prgmr.com) has joined #techrights [22:46] *alynpost has quit (Changing host) [22:46] *alynpost (~alynpost@prgmr/staff/alynpost) has joined #techrights [22:47] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i'm sorry, are you now imagining ways in which i might have offended you? [22:47] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] you think "statist" is better than "sheeple" because "statist" is actually descriptive of something, but you use it with the exact same intent that a pro-deather uses "sheeple" [22:47] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] with [22:47] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] i'm not your psychiatrist [22:47] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] please consult a professional with your fantasies [22:48] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] now if only we could figure out why there are so many people like you. Maybe we could actually educate all of those people and have a functioning civilization for once [22:48] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The Ancients programmed the control crystals of all the other gates in Pegasus to not be able to dial the Milky Way, but left Atlantis behind intact, and the Wraith never bothered to see if it was still there. [22:48] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: the last guy who "argued" like you got banned for trolling [22:48] techrights-bot Don't let #corruptMedia swap the "bill sez" puff pieces (whitewashing crooks, for money... they're PAID to do this) with "Elon says" pieces... they try to promote the myth that robber barons are rich because of their endless wisdom and we must copy them... [22:49] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: maybe you could put people who disagree with you in camps [22:50] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The Asuran Replicators knew everything about Ancient technology and could produce unlimited ZPMs. A rigged ZPM set to explode could destroy an entire solar system. Instead of figuring out how to dial Earth and throw a ZPM bomb through the gate, the Asurans built Aurora class ships to launch an attack with. [22:51] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] maybe they weren't creative enough [22:51] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] They built the Stargate Satellite Weapon. [22:51] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] afaict the Asurans' existence revolved around imitating and outdoing the Ancients [22:51] *Noisytoot_ is now known as Noisytoot [22:51] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: I see that everyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi now [22:51] techrights-bot Similar to the #greenwashing of #microsoft by so-called #linuxfoundation https://www.salon.com/2021/06/13/big-oil-wants-you-to-believe-a-tanker-full-of-fossil-fuel-can-be-carbon-neutral/ compare to http://techrights.org/2021/05/31/linux-brand-killed-by-lf/ [22:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Big Oil wants you to believe a tanker full of fossil fuel can be "carbon neutral" | Salon.com [22:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has Killed the Linux Brand (in Pursuit of Short-Term Profits) | Techrights [22:51] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] ZPM Bomb seems more likely. The Earth Iris wouldn't be a problem. The Milky Way Replicators had previously defeated it and walked right through. [22:52] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] almost as if there is no critical thinking happening before you speak. You have a very short loop: disagree => Nazi [22:52] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: maybe if you didn't make such gigantic leaps of faith, your messages wouldn't be so boring [22:52] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] i see MinceR has run out of arguments [22:53] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] DaemonFC: the Milky Way replicators might know something the Asuran replicators don't, though [22:53] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] McKay had access to the Asuran computers numerous times and never thought to download specifications for a ZPM. [22:53] techrights-bot Linking in #geminiProtocol discussed a lot today https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006691.html [22:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | In Body URI references [22:54] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [22:56] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] It never occurred to the Liam Faction of Asurans that if they wanted to ascend, they should make evolved human (Prior-like) bodies for themselves and transfer their minds into those? [22:56] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] \_()_/ [22:56] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] haven't seen that part yet [22:56] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] or forgot [22:57] schestowitz old: https://www.osnews.com/story/28099/debian-fork-promises-no-systemd-asks-for-donations/ [22:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Debian fork promises no systemd, asks for donations OSnews [22:58] techrights-bot Paul Thurrott: with #microsoft on 'life support' (bailouts from the government), #vista10 needs to be set aside for mythical vapourware to give way.... while current #windows cannot be maintained and updates keep breaking everything https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/251736/windows-10-support-ends-on-october-14-2025 [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/251736/windows-10-support-ends-on-october-14-2025 ) [22:59] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] They make Windows look different each time to give the illusion of progress underneath. [22:59] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: you should go have a discussion with Librarian in his exile over on Libera, he agrees with you on a lot, but I bet you'd never connect to Libera because it's run by statists [22:59] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] he is banned from this channel for a reason ● Jun 13 [23:00] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: maybe you should bother other people, elsewhere [23:00] techrights-bot I like this comment: "Windows 11 will be to Windows 10 what 7 was to Vista. Tinker with the UI and rebadge it to remove the stigma." See this about #vista7 : Well the initial impression is how much it [Windows 7] looks like Vista. Which I think isuhthe thing Im not supposed to say. Microsoft Jack http://techrights.org/2015/06/27/microsoft-jack-insults-people/ [23:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Jack (Schofield) Promotes Microsofts Proprietary Lock-in and Calls People Who Recommend Free/Libre Software Trolls | Techrights [23:00] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: maybe you should bother other people, elsewhere [23:00] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] is there an echo in here? [23:01] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] ask amazon [23:01] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] alexa, are you here? [23:01] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] Alexa, order two tons of creamed corn. [23:01] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] Alexa, confirm purchase. [23:02] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] 'progress' in tehc [sic] [23:03] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/04/26/ibm-stonks/ [23:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] IBM Stinks | Techrights [23:04] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] okay google, wake me up 4am every weekday [23:04] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] and 2 AM every weekend [23:04] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/04/26/ibm-all-the-time/ [23:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] 100% of the Time Working for the 1% | Techrights [23:04] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-song/ [23:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBMs Prison of Glass and Metal Cages | Techrights [23:04] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Okay Subaru, shut mjg59's car off and disable the brakes while he's on a hill. [23:05] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] "SMart" [23:05] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] smatr [sic] https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/ [23:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hackers Remotely Kill a Jeep on the HighwayWith Me in It | WIRED [23:05] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Okay Tesla, aim for the parked police cruiser and set engine to ramming speed! [23:06] AdmFubar I'd rather have a Frnhan...:P [23:06] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv4eTE0aUiQ [23:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Homer Simpson I Am So Smart - YouTube [23:06] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] okay tesla, unlock debug mode, initiate battery fire test sequence [23:06] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] (okay tesla, check build version, check build version, check build version, .....) [23:07] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] is there an "OK Tesla" or similar? [23:07] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] Knight Rider? [23:07] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Fuck if I know. [23:07] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] OK Elon [23:07] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] all about Big Egon [23:07] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Tesla said they'd accept Bitcoin and then said they wouldn't. [23:07] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] "yes, master" [23:07] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] media is all that [23:07] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Then El Salvador made it legal tender. [23:08] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] elon said [xxxx] bitcoin p[yyy] [23:08] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] pumping the exchange rate? [23:08] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] Medais [sic] [23:08] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Pretty much. [23:08] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] Bitcionz [23:09] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] makes sense, the SEC didn't seem to have a problem with the likes of robinhood manipulating the stock market either [23:10] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] big tehc censored them [23:10] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] SEC worries about precedent perhaps [23:10] AdmFubar https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/chris-hedges/ [23:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chris Hedges: Julian Assange and the collapse of the rule of law - Alternet.org [23:10] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: you're a libertarian, you're supposed to be anti-SEC [23:11] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3dW7UY9a7k [23:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Eric Holder Explains Why More Wall Street Bankers Aren't in Jail - YouTube [23:11] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] which means the more stuff they don't regulate, the better [23:11] tr-bridge [MinceR/tr] immibis: FYI, i disapproved of the SEC's conduct there [23:12] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] MinceR: you disapprove that the SEC didn't investigate elon [23:14] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] 'elon' [23:14] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] our 'mate' elon [23:14] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] and bill [23:14] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] bill what? [23:14] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] just bill [23:14] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/05/10/bill-saves/ [23:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Bill Says, Bill Saves | Techrights [23:14] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/05/10/bill-says/ [23:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Bill, Whats Your Opinion? | Techrights [23:14] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] "bill says" [23:18] techrights-bot Wow, it's summer and such a small number of flights in #manchesterairport this Sunday. I guess that most planes are just parked and rotting away in hangars. [23:18] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] schestowitz, My psychiatrist got rid of his office and went video visits only. [23:19] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Says he never plans to reopen the office again and almost all of his patients are doing video appointments now. [23:19] AdmFubar a few days ago it was busy in my local airspace. hadn't heard that many planes in a long time [23:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.55 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.93 swarm size (avg): 244.59 [23:20] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] I panicked when I saw Zocdoc say he was not practicing at that location anymore because I was worried that I'd end up going to one of those idiots that are the bulk of the younger ones. [23:20] techrights-bot Cprnell uni so incompetent that it lists papers I was involved in more than 15 years ago as it's they're newly submitted https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.10534 [23:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arxiv.org | [2002.10534] Evaluating Registration Without Ground Truth [23:20] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] The only reason there are any good doctors left are because some are going into their 70s, 80s, and 90s and not retiring. [23:21] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/?p=1772441 [23:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Amazon, eBay fight legislation that would unmask third-party sellers | Ars Technica [23:23] techrights-bot Scholarly publication is dying (small number of actual views) and #paywalls are their death knell. These so-called publishers don't care about knowledge being disseminated, used, accessed etc. but only about MONEY. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1625048 [23:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ieeexplore.ieee.org | Assessing the accuracy of non-rigid registration with and without ground truth | IEEE Conference Publication | IEEE Xplore [23:24] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] DaemonFC: likely breach of privacy [23:24] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] as the calls are third party controlled without encryption [23:24] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] recipe for trouble [23:25] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] except you agree to it by doing the call [23:25] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] AdmFubar Amazon and eBay want to monopolise the spying [23:25] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] and to sell your data [23:25] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] immibis: no choice [23:25] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] schestowitz: free market [23:25] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] there is an EPO case about it now [23:25] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] they compel people to do 'court' online [23:26] tr-bridge [schestowitz/tr] http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/summing-up-g121/ [23:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs War on Justice and Assault on the Law Part 20: Summing up | Techrights [23:27] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] coronavirus or privacy, coronavirus or privacy. hmm. is it worth killing 2 million more people or creating a 5% chance that a megacorp will data mine court cases... hmm... tough call [23:27] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] another* mega corp [23:29] techrights-bot Towards the end of this #RMS video from 2 weeks ago he talks about #overpopulation -- always a difficult subject to bring up. He explains why he choice not to have kids even when a partner asked him to http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ [23:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | Techrights [23:30] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] RMS had (1) a partner and (2) a partner who wanted to have kids? [23:30] tr-bridge [immibis/tr] with RMS??? [23:30] *phebus has quit (Quit: POKE 1,0) [23:31] techrights-bot #Russia spans about 10 hours in timezones because of DST. With #Kaliningrad at 0:29 and #Kamchatka at 10:29. US and Canada 'only' 4: https://time.gov/ [23:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://time.gov/ ) [23:32] schestowitz immibis sorry to 'shock' you... [23:34] techrights-bot "Best of #ibm you are allowed to bring person" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bjfb0lj#replies IBM... is a private club os MBAs and reckless businesspeople... and military: http://techrights.org/2020/10/24/militarised-elephants/ [23:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Best of IBM - post regarding IBM layoffs [23:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Militarised Elephant in the Room Still Commands a Lot of Free Software Development | Techrights [23:35] techrights-bot Technology killed by #microsoft crimes, infiltration, cult tactics, and Stephen Elop http://techrights.org/videos/N900_interaction_documentary.ogv #nokia #gnu #linux [23:35] kingoffrance immibis/tr: markets are an anachronism from before corporate charters [23:36] kingoffrance back when people were people [23:36] kingoffrance apples and oranges [23:36] kingoffrance pun intended [23:36] AdmFubar there are 5 timezone in the us [23:38] techrights-bot #gnu #linux and #qt could already do multi-touch almost 15 years ago... even before #apple cult pretended to have 'invented' something http://techrights.org/videos/marble_multitouch.ogg [23:38] schestowitz AdmFubar [23:38] schestowitz I forgot hawaii [23:39] schestowitz and maybe alaska [23:39] AdmFubar and alaska.. they are in the same tz [23:40] AdmFubar () [23:40] techrights-bot Before #ibm controlled #redhat it was #microsoft doing the #patent exrotion against Red Hat http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/ballmer_claims_red_hat_customers_owe_microsoft_money.ogg IBM has not changed: http://techrights.org/2020/12/28/ibm-xmas-patent-bully/ [23:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Christmastime Extortion Shows That IBM Has Not Changed Since Buying Red Hat and Its Still a Patent Bully | Techrights [23:40] AdmFubar dime for dinner in my tz... back later [23:40] AdmFubar time [23:41] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@76-234-138-224.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) has left #techrights [23:42] techrights-bot #redhat made this commercial before #systemd (which makes it totally NOT applicable anymore) http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/linux-origin.ogg [23:43] techrights-bot #RHEL before #systemd and #IBM ... also when you could get #centOS without ludicrous conditions http://techrights.org/videos/red-hat-install.ogg [23:45] techrights-bot #ubuntu #gnu #linux 6-7 years before #systemd http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/ubuntu-eye-candy.ogg [23:45] *phebus (~phebus@fsf/member/phebus) has joined #techrights [23:51] techrights-bot Classic: Old EPO Strike http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/classic-old-epo-strike/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/13/classic-old-epo-strike/ [23:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Classic: Old EPO Strike | Techrights [23:53] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Song of the South is not available on Disney's streaming service, Disney+, which launched in the United States in 2019.[54][55][56] Disney executive chairman and former CEO Bob Iger affirmed during a shareholders meeting that the film would not be getting a release on the service, even with an "outdated cultural depictions" disclaimer, stating that the film is "not appropriate in [23:53] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] today's world".[57] [23:53] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] ... [23:53] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Yes, but it is available on bittorrent. [23:54] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Someone else decides what is appropriate for you to watch. "Streaming" [23:54] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] It's the future! [23:55] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] Disney has turned into a sjw wet dream. [23:55] tr-bridge [DaemonFC/tr] There's no point in going to their parks or paying to see any of their new stuff. [23:55] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.104) has joined #techrights [23:59] kingoffrance eh, its same world it always was. that assange article AdmFubar linked, the author talks about that in other things (indirectly, the myth that everything magically progresses, etc.)