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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I edited the Wikipedia article about DRM to mention the term "Digital Handcuffs". | Jul 13 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | It was better at killing minorities | Jul 13 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wonder how long that will last. | Jul 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Just like in past centuries | Jul 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Herein we arrive, having come full circle | Jul 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | From slavery to assassination, like from Hitler to Merkel | Jul 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Diverse we’ve become, women too can bomb | Jul 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | ‘Annie Get Your Gun’ no longer seems as dumb | Jul 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Institutional injustice, exclusion notwithstanding | Jul 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | We need more than word changes for reconciliation and understanding | Jul 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Idealists would say and dreamers might accuse | Jul 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | They’d say antagonists are Nazis, people who hate Jews | Jul 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | It all started with a debate — a debate about words | Jul 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | It was about sensibilities, but never about wars | Jul 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Society will perish if all debates are shallow | Jul 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | How did we end up with a public discourse this shallow? █ | Jul 13 00:00 |
| XRevan86 | Rhyhming needs work | Jul 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | should say hollow? | Jul 13 00:00 |
| XRevan86 | * Rhyming | Jul 13 00:01 |
| schestowitz | only if you sing it | Jul 13 00:01 |
| schestowitz | you limit your choice of words and expression, compromising for sound | Jul 13 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 40 hospitals in Florida have no ICU beds left. | Jul 13 00:03 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNAaCnezxXU | Jul 13 00:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTube | Jul 13 00:03 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Disney is open and packed with tourists | Jul 13 00:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: maybe make mobile ones | Jul 13 00:03 |
| schestowitz | expensive | Jul 13 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I tweeted at some older lady who was shocked that Disney would put "profits ahead of families and children.". | Jul 13 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | @tdillner Disney is one of the nastiest and most rapacious companies on the planet. They've spent years buying draconian copyright laws and working closely with companies like Apple to impose Digital Handcuffs software to take our freedoms away. Don't be shocked about reopening. | Jul 13 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | @tdillner If it was possible to boycott Disney twice, I would. Sickening. No they don't care how many people die because of the plague spreading through their theme park. They're much more worried about this fiscal quarter, like most big companies. | Jul 13 00:04 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/07/12/language-in-technology/ | Jul 13 00:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why We Care About (Mis)Use of Language in Technology | Techrights | Jul 13 00:06 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't understand people buying brand name groceries. | Jul 13 00:07 |
| schestowitz | sometimes it makes sense | Jul 13 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're tacking on 30% so you can pay for advertising. | Jul 13 00:07 |
| schestowitz | depending on the products and their prices | Jul 13 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Colgate has tiers for different markets | Jul 13 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, this is elbow macaroni. | Jul 13 00:07 |
| schestowitz | so you can get their stuff cheaply if you go where they target the 'low end' customers | Jul 13 00:07 |
| schestowitz | to them, better sell cheaply than to make no sale | Jul 13 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The store brand is $1 and the Barilla is $1.28. Then the CEO goes and says gay people shouldn't buy his products. | Jul 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | you can get their tubes rather cheaply... and those are imported from China | Jul 13 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Uh, okay, big loss there. :P | Jul 13 00:08 |
| MinceR | most pasta they sell here is not made from durum wheat and is instead spoiled with eggs | Jul 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | they rely on people overpaying | Jul 13 00:08 |
| MinceR | there aren't that many choices if one wants the former | Jul 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | to keep the market dominance/monopoly they offer cheap options | Jul 13 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "you can get their tubes rather c"> Yeah, mom was talking about how there's a Kroger in Fort Wayne near a bunch of rich people and the meat is the same price, but it's better. | Jul 13 00:09 |
| schestowitz | the way Microsoft/Windows does | Jul 13 00:09 |
| schestowitz | dumping it on poor countries, except this is an actual product, not mere licensing (rents) | Jul 13 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I use 88 cent toothpaste and the dentist said my teeth are fine. | Jul 13 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I go shopping and there's some that's like $5-6 a tube and I'm like "You're sneerious......". | Jul 13 00:10 |
| *schestowitz waits to turn 40 and have no fillings (yet) | Jul 13 00:10 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've had a couple of small ones. | Jul 13 00:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: that's paying for "experience" and "ambiance" and "marketing" | Jul 13 00:10 |
| schestowitz | the Apple "way" | Jul 13 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not a major disaster. Anyway, dentists are actually more reasonable with you as cash patient than they are with insurance. | Jul 13 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it's insurance, you pay for the insurance each month and then when something happens, the bill starts at 2-3 times the cash price and then you pay 20-30% of that. | Jul 13 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I mean, lol. | Jul 13 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're not in business to lose money and they don't lose money. | Jul 13 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh yeah, Kroger runs the market from Food 4 Less (basically like Aldi) all the way up to "guy playing piano while you shop" in a store that's more like Whole Foods. | Jul 13 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All under different names, of course. | Jul 13 00:12 |
| schestowitz | the ordinary filling isn't the big "money maker" to them | Jul 13 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The expensive Kroger is "Mariano's". | Jul 13 00:12 |
| schestowitz | it keeps your hooked on them, the brand/dentist loyalty | Jul 13 00:12 |
| schestowitz | then they'll do a bridge or reconstruction and talk you into selling a leg for it | Jul 13 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, it's really not. I think mine were like $150-200 each. | Jul 13 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For cleanings I normally just go to a dental hygiene school and let a student do it for $20. | Jul 13 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Dentists be like "Cleaning? $150 if we don't do x-rays!". | Jul 13 00:14 |
| schestowitz | https://blog.documentfoundation.org/ | Jul 13 00:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | The Document Foundation Blog - The home of LibreOffice | Jul 13 00:14 | |
| schestowitz | 50% of the links are phoronix in https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/07/12/lo-weekly-clippings-july-13-2020/ | Jul 13 00:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | LibreOffice Weekly Clippings - July 13, 2020 - The Document Foundation Blog | Jul 13 00:14 | |
| schestowitz | 3 out of 6 | Jul 13 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For the difference between a dentist cleaning and letting a student do it, I can pay rent for like 4 days. | Jul 13 00:14 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you can get cleaning for 5-10 dollars in .PH | Jul 13 00:14 |
| schestowitz | if you travel there | Jul 13 00:14 |
| schestowitz | 10 being the 'high end' | Jul 13 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, every car shop runs oil change specials to get you in there. | Jul 13 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They break even on those and they can look over the car and see if they can tell you what else needs attention. | Jul 13 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'll tell you, don't take anything you want to keep to Walmart. :) | Jul 13 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "10 being the 'high end'"> Oh yeah, it's crazy cheap there. | Jul 13 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Beginning to wonder if the "vicious Asian woman" is just a thing. | Jul 13 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I only know two well and both are just meaner than hell. | Jul 13 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I filed bankruptcy against one (a landlord). | Jul 13 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I feel kind of mean for stereotyping here maybe, but I googled it out of curiosity and someone says it's a cultural thing. | Jul 13 00:17 |
| MinceR | 13 011611 < DaemonFC[m]> I'll tell you, don't take anything you want to keep to Walmart. :) | Jul 13 00:18 |
| MinceR | like your spleen? | Jul 13 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, you have to be mean or else other people will try to get one over on you. | Jul 13 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like give em an inch, they'll take a mile, type thing going on here... | Jul 13 00:18 |
| schestowitz | you can be assertive and also poltie | Jul 13 00:18 |
| schestowitz | I got two chairs last week | Jul 13 00:19 |
| schestowitz | both for free | Jul 13 00:19 |
| schestowitz | due to horrible experience at the shop | Jul 13 00:19 |
| schestowitz | and endless delays, false promises | Jul 13 00:19 |
| schestowitz | they let me keep the loaned chair | Jul 13 00:19 |
| schestowitz | and also gave me another (brand new) one | Jul 13 00:19 |
| schestowitz | just to keep me not unhappy (double negative) | Jul 13 00:19 |
| schestowitz | (each chair costs more than my laptop) | Jul 13 00:20 |
| schestowitz | 55,685 cases | Jul 13 00:20 |
| schestowitz | https://medium.com/macoclock/macos-big-sur-the-end-of-os-x-59323509033a | Jul 13 00:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-macOS Big Sur: The End of OS X. Big Sur is officially macOS 11.0 | by Abhinav Chandoli | Mac O’Clock | Jun, 2020 | Medium | Jul 13 00:21 | |
| schestowitz | back to tech... | Jul 13 00:21 |
| schestowitz | apple is f*ed | Jul 13 00:21 |
| schestowitz | esp. now | Jul 13 00:21 |
| schestowitz | people lack financial means or security | Jul 13 00:21 |
| schestowitz | who would throw away grands when one can barely even borrow money or pay back debt? | Jul 13 00:21 |
| schestowitz | and cannot leave the home? | Jul 13 00:22 |
| schestowitz | to show off that lit logo of apple at the back of a laptop | Jul 13 00:22 |
| schestowitz | (or so-called 'phone'.. or hypePad) | Jul 13 00:22 |
| schestowitz | might as well use a brick with motherboard inside it.. | Jul 13 00:22 |
| schestowitz | TX up now to 5,580 | Jul 13 00:24 |
| schestowitz | California 7,004 | Jul 13 00:24 |
| schestowitz | each of these is higher than all of Europe combined for the day | Jul 13 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Cleaning the Code http://techrights.org/2020/07/12/cleaning-the-code/ | Jul 13 00:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cleaning the Code | Techrights | Jul 13 00:31 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "who would throw away grands when"> Mandy got an iPhone, but it's an SE. I told him it was that or look at an Android. | Jul 13 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Throwing down $1,600+ on a phone is ridiculous, I don't who you are. | Jul 13 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's only going to last a few years. That is not "major purchase" territory. | Jul 13 00:42 |
| MinceR | well, there are phones that last longer, but none of them are crApple products :> | Jul 13 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Personally, I wouldn't even spend much more than maybe $1,200 on a laptop. | Jul 13 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even then I use them for many years and buy a new one when it's so completely broken it's ridiculous. | Jul 13 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fucking Samsung cut off security updates to my S8+ it looks like. | Jul 13 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I put in NoScript into Firefox on my phone to try to save it from being exploited by a malicious script or something. | Jul 13 00:44 |
| schestowitz | phones and security are a paradox | Jul 13 00:52 |
| schestowitz | so even with updates you might be equally screwed | Jul 13 00:52 |
| schestowitz | rianne has an s2 | Jul 13 00:52 |
| schestowitz | it's barely used, but it still works | Jul 13 00:52 |
| schestowitz | 57,433 | Jul 13 00:59 |
| schestowitz | last SUnday was 45k | Jul 13 00:59 |
| schestowitz | so it's a big increase week-to-week | Jul 13 00:59 |
| superkuh | The only winning move is not to play. I have an old nokia dumb phone. | Jul 13 01:03 |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_2020-07-12 r netsec - Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting.png (62KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/AsEPopPFTBvCcPCetGzGXdUE > | Jul 13 01:05 | |
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| schestowitz | [00:16] <DaemonFC[m]> Beginning to wonder if the "vicious Asian woman" is just a thing. | Jul 13 01:10 |
| schestowitz | They are a lot less vicious than American women (on 'average') | Jul 13 01:10 |
| schestowitz | in fact, far eastern ones are more about gentleness or "cuteness" | Jul 13 01:10 |
| schestowitz | something that's lacking here for the most part | Jul 13 01:11 |
| schestowitz | southeast may have gotten the attitude from the occupiers | Jul 13 01:11 |
| schestowitz | soplado attitude | Jul 13 01:11 |
| schestowitz | The whole "cuteness" thing is rampant in jpop, and more so than kpop, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmElFsNVqZc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou-q-AH0WsI notice how shallow the lyrics are, too... | Jul 13 01:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTube | Jul 13 01:12 | |
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| schestowitz | so maybe Mandy's sister is either ruined | Jul 13 01:12 |
| schestowitz | or a rate exception | Jul 13 01:12 |
| schestowitz | call her "Emelda" | Jul 13 01:12 |
| schestowitz | *rare | Jul 13 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I do call her Imelda. | Jul 13 01:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Especially since I saw her shoe rack. | Jul 13 01:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://shop.bigelowtea.com/Bigelow/black-tea/Perfectly-Mint/99189 | Jul 13 01:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-shop.bigelowtea.com | Perfectly Mint® Tea (Formerly Plantation Mint) Case of 6 boxes - total of 120 teabags | Jul 13 01:16 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Formerly Plantation Mint" | Jul 13 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ROFL | Jul 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | can those shoes be traded for water in plastic bottles? | Jul 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | why formerly? | Jul 13 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Off the water truck.... | Jul 13 01:17 |
| schestowitz | don't tell me.. | Jul 13 01:17 |
| schestowitz | now plantation is a bad word too? | Jul 13 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know because the water in the plastic jug off the truck was never in the pipes! | Jul 13 01:17 |
| schestowitz | like uncle and aunt? | Jul 13 01:17 |
| MinceR | yes | Jul 13 01:18 |
| schestowitz | bloody hell | Jul 13 01:18 |
| schestowitz | this is INSANE | Jul 13 01:18 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 13 01:18 |
| schestowitz | and going out of control fast | Jul 13 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A tea plantation......... | Jul 13 01:19 |
| schestowitz | they still have plantations | Jul 13 01:19 |
| MinceR | putting plants in the ground is racist, didn't you know? | Jul 13 01:19 |
| schestowitz | even if they change the words | Jul 13 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, some dumb asshole probably saw Plantation Mint and.... | Jul 13 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Jul 13 01:19 |
| schestowitz | or rename history or whatever | Jul 13 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Mint means perfect | Jul 13 01:19 |
| schestowitz | does that not compliment plantation workers? | Jul 13 01:20 |
| MinceR | the plantation workers don't matter | Jul 13 01:20 |
| MinceR | only the crybullies do | Jul 13 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I guess those companies that advertise that their coffee growers are well paid and it's Fair Trade certified are evil. | Jul 13 01:20 |
| MinceR | and the crybullies feel better for such pointless changes | Jul 13 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They give people jobs for good pay planting coffee. | Jul 13 01:20 |
| schestowitz | they might change the name of some products | Jul 13 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Plantations are racist, so that makes giving people fair jobs bad. | Jul 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | and maybe feel powerful | Jul 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | or "empowered" | Jul 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | but that won't end racism | Jul 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | it'll make a laughing stock of people who play language police | Jul 13 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Send the kids back to school. | Jul 13 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 200,000 cases a day why not. | Jul 13 01:25 |
| schestowitz | hmmm | Jul 13 01:25 |
| schestowitz | the kids don't isolate well | Jul 13 01:25 |
| schestowitz | and can be hard to put masks on all the time | Jul 13 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I really do think that we're in for 200,000 cases a day if they do start in person classes back up. | Jul 13 01:25 |
| schestowitz | they'll just spread the covid around really fast among parents | Jul 13 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much. | Jul 13 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The kids won't even know they have it, probably. | Jul 13 01:26 |
| schestowitz | they'll know when they become orphans | Jul 13 01:26 |
| schestowitz | +58,228 | Jul 13 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Connecticut not reporting | Jul 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Rhode Island also | Jul 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Italy 234 | Jul 13 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Germany 138 | Jul 13 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Canada 243 | Jul 13 01:29 |
| schestowitz | China 7 | Jul 13 01:29 |
| schestowitz | if you trust CPC's numbers | Jul 13 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Norway 4 | Jul 13 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Finland 3 | Jul 13 01:30 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Hungary 5 | Jul 13 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Cuba 6 | Jul 13 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Iceland 8 | Jul 13 01:30 |
| schestowitz | 10 deaths so far since it started | Jul 13 01:31 |
| schestowitz | with lots of testing, almost 1 in 3 | Jul 13 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Mongolia 3 | Jul 13 01:31 |
| schestowitz | and no deaths | Jul 13 01:31 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139793 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6335c290-8cbc-465e-840f-431cde6c754e] | Jul 13 01:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/726060/important-notice-for-all-puppy-linux-users-the-end-of-an-era/\ | Jul 13 01:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR ALL "PUPPY" LINUX USERS : the end of an era.... - Linux & Unix | Jul 13 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Morning, everybody. | Jul 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Jul 13 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | This is going to come as something of a shock to most of you, I'm afraid. Some of you may even know this already from the Puppy Linux Users Group page on Facebook. | Jul 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Jul 13 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | It is with great sadness that I have to report the passing, on the 22nd May this year, of the revered host of the Murga-Linux Puppy Linux Discussion Forum....John de Murga. The man who hosted, and paid for the Murga-Linux Forum out of his own pocket for nearly 16 years, and without whom the current Puppy Linux membership wouldn't have become what it is today. | Jul 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Jul 13 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXNd0sLYPDRBTa8eMW9CTQO266wfVKCssSWkPB0UAY9KoSXA/viewform | Jul 13 01:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.google.com | Wake & Memorial Service for John De Murga | Jul 13 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | JM spent many years as an analyst/programmer in the banking sector, and was single-handedly responsible for some of the sector's cornerstone software which is still in use today. | Jul 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Jul 13 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | As of yesterday afternoon, the Murga-Linux forum, without warning, went into automatic maintenance mode.....and since there's no-one around to fix it any longer, we witness the passing of an era, in addition to the loss of an awful lot of useful information. | Jul 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Jul 13 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | All is, however, not entirely "lost". | Jul 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Yuck... they entertain the a-holes from SNYK https://opensourcesecurity.io/2020/07/12/episode-205-the-state-of-open-source-security-with-alyssa-miller-from-snyk/ | Jul 13 01:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensourcesecurity.io | Episode 205 – The State of Open Source Security with Alyssa Miller from Snyk – Open Source Security | Jul 13 01:37 | |
| schestowitz | how foolish | Jul 13 01:37 |
| schestowitz | helping Microsoft-connected FUD | Jul 13 01:37 |
| schestowitz | "Josh and Kurt talk to Alyssa Miller from Snyk about the State of Open Source Security 2020 report. Alyssa was the report author " | Jul 13 01:39 |
| schestowitz | The FUD author | Jul 13 01:39 |
| schestowitz | oh, great | Jul 13 01:39 |
| schestowitz | they probably approached him for PR opportunity | Jul 13 01:39 |
| schestowitz | and then the advertising-cast came | Jul 13 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora KDE is not terrific. Kubuntu is working much better. | Jul 13 02:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No bugs encountered since I installed it, at least not that I've noticed. Better default software selection | Jul 13 02:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems like it maybe performs a bit better? | Jul 13 02:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No SELinux. Canonical is doing AppArmor. Phoronix showed that SELinux slows things down somewhat. | Jul 13 02:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Mandy thinks I'm hilarious. | Jul 13 02:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those late night commercials have gotten weird lately. I don't think I've ever seen this many sex hotline numbers. | Jul 13 02:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was dramatically re-enacting one last night. "I'm only 18!" "I love it when my parents aren't home!" "Come play with me!" *sticks tongue between fingers and wiggles it* "lalalalalalalalala" | Jul 13 02:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There must be an uptick in customers lately or something. Trapped in the house... Makes sense. | Jul 13 02:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $5 a minute to call a sex hotline because why not. | Jul 13 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who the hell is calling these? | Jul 13 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's Trumpy Bear and "I'm only 18, come play with me!" over and over on Comedy Central during South Park. | Jul 13 02:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Old pervert. Room full of Trumpy Bears. Calling into a sex hotline advertised by an "18 year old" who is really 28, all tatted up, and doing BBC porn. | Jul 13 02:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "I'm not as innocent as you think I am!" Yeah, I'll say. | Jul 13 02:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Six in a row? That's terrific. | Jul 13 02:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This country is pretty depraved really. | Jul 13 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No shutdown despite the thing that's killing everyone. | Jul 13 02:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Old Perverts jerking it to porn hotlines while snuggling with Trumpy Bear. | Jul 13 02:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Isn't Open Source Security those idiots that break userspace with those out of tree kernel modules and hit people who criticize them with SLAPP lawsuits? | Jul 13 02:26 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I think this "new stance" on the Nvidia driver among Linux distros puts us a hop, skip, and a jump away from FreeBSD, where they say "Oh, just install Windows drivers too for the networking, while you're at it anyway. Should be very robust!". | Jul 13 03:26 |
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| kingoffrance | re: 10 hours ago "So you're taking on a lot of extra risk and the salesman doesn't care because they get all their money from the finance company the day they sell it and then it's off their books." yep, they say thats how student loans/aid works too | Jul 13 04:51 |
| kingoffrance | they got their money, whether you pay it back or not | Jul 13 04:52 |
| kingoffrance | its guaranteed on their side | Jul 13 04:52 |
| kingoffrance | which is fine, but the q is normally a contract has to have consideration and gain and loss on both sides. so when layers of insurance and stuff are involved, the lines are blurry i suppose, how much "risk" they are taking, versus how much you are | Jul 13 04:54 |
| kingoffrance | when you look at the big picture, its "you used a bond, to loan my own credit back to me" | Jul 13 04:54 |
| kingoffrance | you asked to borrow my car, and now you are charging me for a ride | Jul 13 04:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's insane. The car dealerships have every reason to puff you up to the finance company. | Jul 13 04:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They asked how much money we made and then didn't even make us prove it. | Jul 13 04:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure some crook at the dealership fudged some forms or something. | Jul 13 04:59 |
| kingoffrance | yep | Jul 13 04:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is how the mortgage crisis happened. | Jul 13 04:59 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, from what i understand the tranches/pools of stuff, they will always say they were coerced/forced to loan to unqualified ppl -- yet there were people taking out "insurance" on both "sides" i.e. betting whether ppl will default or not. they say goldman sachs was selling tranches but betting against them unbeknowest to their clients i.e. advising ppl one way, but they themselves doing the direct opposite | Jul 13 05:05 |
| kingoffrance | i dont pretend to know legalities of all that | Jul 13 05:05 |
| kingoffrance | just to normal person, it looks a lot like gambling | Jul 13 05:05 |
| kingoffrance | one side bets you will default, another bets you wont | Jul 13 05:05 |
| kingoffrance | although you could argue all insurance is basically gambling | Jul 13 05:05 |
| kingoffrance | point being, they will say they were coerced -- but "buy low, sell high" -- from what i see this is a lie if only because there was insurance either way | Jul 13 05:10 |
| kingoffrance | its not like that would prevent them from betting against the mortgage | Jul 13 05:10 |
| kingoffrance | as they might say -- even if that was true -- more sketchy loans -- a market for such insurance develops | Jul 13 05:10 |
| kingoffrance | which they apparently took advantage of | Jul 13 05:10 |
| kingoffrance | "buy low, sell high" i mean they say the same thing when stocks crash | Jul 13 05:11 |
| kingoffrance | as if that means everyone loses | Jul 13 05:11 |
| kingoffrance | no, the people sitting on piles of reserves that is fine -- they scoop things up cheap | Jul 13 05:11 |
| kingoffrance | they escape just fine | Jul 13 05:11 |
| kingoffrance | even if they were forced to make "bad loans" -- someone is profitting off of that and has a motive to encourage such -- "the poor liberal gov made us loan to unqualified ppl" doesnt add up to me | Jul 13 05:12 |
| kingoffrance | s/poor/evil/ s/made us/made us poor finance ppl/ | Jul 13 05:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <kingoffrance "i dont pretend to know legalitie"> It's not illegal to bet that someone will default on a loan. Strangely. | Jul 13 05:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It incentivizes bad lending practices because one company issues a bunch of bad loans and then they whisper to their friends "This shit's about to get bad. Bet on defaults!". | Jul 13 05:19 |
| kingoffrance | yep | Jul 13 05:19 |
| kingoffrance | and guy who took out loan == not on the friends list | Jul 13 05:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, they use a lot of off the record messaging systems like Tox. | Jul 13 05:19 |
| kingoffrance | the clients will be encouraged everything is fine, no worries, etc. | Jul 13 05:20 |
| kingoffrance | s/clients/low-level &/ | Jul 13 05:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Telling your friends that you intentionally wrote bad loans and here's the chance to bet they'll turn sour is not something you send from your personal Gmail account. Lol | Jul 13 05:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When they were rigging the LIBOR rate, some of the smarter ones avoided prosecution by using anonymous messaging apps and code words. | Jul 13 05:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anything that goes through a server, like MSN or whatever did....people find out the hard way that the prosecutor has all of the transcripts. | Jul 13 05:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now it's skype. | Jul 13 05:24 |
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| schestowitz | [02:20] <DaemonFC[m]> No shutdown despite the thing that's killing everyone. | Jul 13 06:44 |
| schestowitz | THB... | Jul 13 06:44 |
| schestowitz | *TBH... | Jul 13 06:44 |
| schestowitz | I think that when you have this many cases the effectiveness of shutdown is already limited | Jul 13 06:45 |
| schestowitz | shutdown as in quarantine, people staying at home | Jul 13 06:46 |
| schestowitz | it's to limit the spread for a while, but then people still have to shop for food | Jul 13 06:46 |
| schestowitz | An unusual "hot hot" summer is ahead and it will impact the election | Jul 13 06:47 |
| schestowitz | if the "Dems" are good at messaging, which they are, they'll take full advantage of this | Jul 13 06:47 |
| schestowitz | Trump may have to try to call off or postpone the election somehow | Jul 13 06:47 |
| schestowitz | and there are ways | Jul 13 06:47 |
| schestowitz | Deaths about +50% since a week ago | Jul 13 06:49 |
| schestowitz | in one week | Jul 13 06:49 |
| schestowitz | On Saturday it nearly tripled | Jul 13 06:49 |
| schestowitz | in one week | Jul 13 06:49 |
| schestowitz | so you can tell the toll of many cases and lack of ICU beds etc. | Jul 13 06:50 |
| schestowitz | In terms of death rates US is now back to late March | Jul 13 06:50 |
| schestowitz | Two more weeks it's 1.5k deaths a day without any mitigation | Jul 13 06:51 |
| schestowitz | 3 weeks 2k+ | Jul 13 06:51 |
| schestowitz | (without mitigations) | Jul 13 06:52 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Make thoughtcrime impossible by removing the words themselves. | Jul 13 07:07 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: human stupidity has peaked to match the level of the empire's president | Jul 13 07:09 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reseller.co.nz/article/681235/linux-founder-linus-torvalds-longs-apple-arm-based-mac/ | Jul 13 07:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reseller.co.nz | Linux founder Linus Torvalds longs for Apple’s ARM-based Mac - Reseller News | Jul 13 07:11 | |
| schestowitz | IDG spread this in at least 4 sites I saw | Jul 13 07:11 |
| schestowitz | it's clickbait BS | Jul 13 07:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: He longs for the (Linux) Terminator chip inside the Mac? | Jul 13 07:15 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: doubt it | Jul 13 07:33 |
| schestowitz | it's a misleading headline in a sense | Jul 13 07:33 |
| schestowitz | lots of corporate media found it those are better for pushing ads | Jul 13 07:33 |
| schestowitz | see also http://techrights.org/2020/05/25/no-technical-journalism/ | Jul 13 07:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ‘Journalism’ in 2020: Far More Articles About What Computer Linus Torvalds Bought Than About Linux Releases | Techrights | Jul 13 07:34 | |
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| schestowitz | lxer.com has been down for about an hour now | Jul 13 07:57 |
| schestowitz | unusual duration for that | Jul 13 07:57 |
| schestowitz | it was down for a few hours less than a year ago | Jul 13 07:58 |
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| schestowitz | still offline | Jul 13 08:13 |
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| psydread | github seems to have more and more outages lately | Jul 13 08:31 |
| schestowitz | oh, really? | Jul 13 08:37 |
| schestowitz | any links on that? | Jul 13 08:37 |
| *schestowitz does know they lost some key engineers | Jul 13 08:37 | |
| schestowitz | http://lxer.com/ | Jul 13 08:37 |
| psydread | it was briefly down for me recently and it's been down for some minutes for me now, but I don't know if it's down for everyone | Jul 13 08:39 |
| psydread | still it shows the dangers of hosting projects centrally on a decentralised web | Jul 13 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | "Sorry, boss, nothing we can do but wait" | Jul 13 08:46 |
| schestowitz | "The clown is down" | Jul 13 08:46 |
| *schestowitz goes to get coffee | Jul 13 08:46 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/18560717#290b85e0a70d0138feae273b4c7bc5ba | Jul 13 08:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Linus Torvalds banishes masters, slaves and blacklists from the Linux kernel, starting now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139795#comment-25773 | Jul 13 08:57 | |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 13 08:57 |
| schestowitz | Jul 13 08:57 | |
| schestowitz | world is insane | Jul 13 08:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 13 08:57 |
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| insmodppa | schestowitz: More like: "The US is insane". The internet, and by extension the FOSS community is global but for some unfathomable reason they keep chaining themselves to a self-destructing country that means little or nothing to the rest of us. | Jul 13 09:19 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/18561506 | Jul 13 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Is it still OK to say "slave" (like "wage slave") in the Linux kernel mailing lists? Does the Coc restrict this? And, if so (risk of using these words), will it also restrict "bombing" and other crimes carried out by #microsoft #amazon etc.? | Jul 13 09:55 | |
| schestowitz | I am not too familiar with the CoC's position on speech | Jul 13 09:55 |
| schestowitz | let's say I'm a kernel hacker and I then say something like, "I found thus buggy patch from the company that bombs people" | Jul 13 09:55 |
| schestowitz | will I get reprimanded and some bollocking? | Jul 13 09:56 |
| zoobab | pong | Jul 13 09:56 |
| schestowitz | hi | Jul 13 09:56 |
| zoobab | I will have the whole month of august to work on UPC | Jul 13 09:57 |
| zoobab | depending if we go on holiday somewhere | Jul 13 09:57 |
| zoobab | my wife is not keen on moving outside of the country | Jul 13 09:57 |
| schestowitz | why would she? | Jul 13 09:57 |
| schestowitz | sounds perfectly reasonable | Jul 13 09:58 |
| schestowitz | not just due to covid | Jul 13 09:58 |
| schestowitz | I was in Brussels some years ago, nice place | Jul 13 09:58 |
| zoobab | otherwise we will go to my parent's place in the Ardennes | Jul 13 09:58 |
| schestowitz | travel/flight-shame seems like very good activism to me | Jul 13 09:58 |
| zoobab | there is a swedish term for it | Jul 13 09:59 |
| schestowitz | flug something | Jul 13 09:59 |
| zoobab | flyskam | Jul 13 09:59 |
| zoobab | I am buying an eBike | Jul 13 10:00 |
| zoobab | an enduro one | Jul 13 10:00 |
| schestowitz | what's ebike | Jul 13 10:00 |
| schestowitz | bike with some gadget on it? | Jul 13 10:01 |
| schestowitz | can you download the bike? :-D | Jul 13 10:01 |
| schestowitz | is it a SMART bike? | Jul 13 10:01 |
| schestowitz | On the clown with a blockchain and apps? | Jul 13 10:01 |
| zoobab | lol | Jul 13 10:02 |
| zoobab | engine on it | Jul 13 10:02 |
| zoobab | pedal assist | Jul 13 10:02 |
| schestowitz | so it's not ebike | Jul 13 10:02 |
| schestowitz | it's engineBike | Jul 13 10:02 |
| zoobab | have you seen the new copyright law in Mexico? | Jul 13 10:03 |
| zoobab | "So we did some digging and it indeed appears that the Mexican Senate approved a package of reforms to existing federal copyright laws that will make it illegal to do things like installing a non-OEM operating system on a PC" | Jul 13 10:04 |
| zoobab | https://hackaday.com/2020/07/12/hackaday-links-july-12-2020/ | Jul 13 10:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hackaday Links: July 12, 2020 | Hackaday | Jul 13 10:04 | |
| zoobab | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ3LphA-SW4 | Jul 13 10:04 |
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| zoobab | 10y of jail to install Linux in Mexico | Jul 13 10:06 |
| scientes | that's Mexico for you | Jul 13 10:11 |
| scientes | kissing the empire's ass until the end | Jul 13 10:11 |
| zoobab | implementing NAFTA it seems | Jul 13 10:19 |
| zoobab | https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza | Jul 13 10:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | Miguel de Icaza (@migueldeicaza) on Twitter | Jul 13 10:22 | |
| zoobab | You’re blocked | Jul 13 10:22 |
| zoobab | You can’t follow or see @migueldeicaza’s Tweets. Learn more | Jul 13 10:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: pandemic erodes incomes and destroys communities https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/millions-americans-are-going-hungry-pandemic-erodes-incomes-destroys-communities-n1233110 | Jul 13 10:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Millions of Americans going hungry as pandemic erodes incomes and destroys communities | Jul 13 10:52 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: good day for miguel then | Jul 13 10:53 |
| schestowitz | he works for Microsoft now more officially | Jul 13 10:53 |
| schestowitz | not via CodePlex and Xamarin or Novell or Ximian | Jul 13 10:53 |
| XRevan86 | Miguel was involved in CodePlex? | Jul 13 10:55 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jul 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz | look it up | Jul 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz | now Nat is heading github | Jul 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz | which is their expensive fallback plan | Jul 13 10:56 |
| kingoffrance | excitebike | Jul 13 10:57 |
| schestowitz | More Than 20 Million People in US Face Eviction by the End of September https://truthout.org/articles/more-than-20-million-people-in-us-face-eviction-by-the-end-of-september/ | Jul 13 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | More Than 20 Million People in US Face Eviction by the End of September | Jul 13 10:58 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Miguel_de_Icaza | Jul 13 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Miguel de Icaza - Techrights | Jul 13 10:59 | |
| schestowitz | 2011: http://techrights.org/2011/09/29/miguel-de-icaza-linux-hater/ | Jul 13 11:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Not News: Miguel de Icaza is Working for Microsoft | Techrights | Jul 13 11:00 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/03/12/miguel-de-codeplex-departure/ | Jul 13 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft MVP Miguel de Icaza Leaves CodePlex Foundation Board | Techrights | Jul 13 11:01 | |
| schestowitz | that was 2010 | Jul 13 11:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has long failed to envelope FOSS | Jul 13 11:02 |
| schestowitz | With Github they bought a 'ready-made' solution | Jul 13 11:02 |
| schestowitz | but only if they can keep it, which I doubt, esp. if more people give gitlab and others momentum over time | Jul 13 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will be left with old and outdated projects | Jul 13 11:02 |
| schestowitz | and spend time.money bribing the ones like python to defect to github | Jul 13 11:02 |
| schestowitz | or put moles in ASF to 'steal' Apache projects | Jul 13 11:03 |
| schestowitz | LF is already is MSFT's pocket | Jul 13 11:03 |
| schestowitz | but many projects are not | Jul 13 11:03 |
| schestowitz | and fewer will turn to github unless Microsoft bribes them | Jul 13 11:03 |
| schestowitz | so give it another 5 years and we'll see where we're at... what share of the projects out there are imprisoned by GitHub | Jul 13 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Skype was near monopoly for VOIP when MSFT stole it | Jul 13 11:04 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: https://truthout.org/articles/man-killed-by-mexican-police-for-not-wearing-mask-sparks-protest-movement/ | Jul 13 11:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Man Killed by Mexican Police for Not Wearing Mask Sparks Protest Movement | Jul 13 11:10 | |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: that a nice inverse historically it would be the other way killed for wearing a mask. | Jul 13 11:40 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jul 13 11:50 |
| schestowitz | only criminals would hide their face, their said... | Jul 13 11:50 |
| schestowitz | hoodies = "up to no good" | Jul 13 11:50 |
| schestowitz | /s/their/they/ | Jul 13 11:50 |
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| kingoffrance | (following links) https://truthout.org/articles/far-right-reading-list-shows-link-between-its-literature-and-real-world-violence/ that is interesting to me because: One of the major tools of contemporary far right movements like the alt-right, Europe’s “identitarians,” and now the groypers is what they call “metapolitics.” It is a concept borrowed from mid-century Italian Communist Antonio Gramsci that was introduced to far right | Jul 13 12:23 |
| kingoffrance | circles ... | Jul 13 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Far Right Reading List Shows Link Between Its Literature and Real-World Violence | Jul 13 12:23 | |
| kingoffrance | the "right" cant really admit such, else then trump + russia makes people wonder | Jul 13 12:23 |
| kingoffrance | so it is funny to see someone else at least has noticed | Jul 13 12:23 |
| kingoffrance | and the "right" i think also cant separate tactics/style from content as readily | Jul 13 12:24 |
| kingoffrance | or at least, that is the type of image they try to portray | Jul 13 12:25 |
| kingoffrance | ie there is a "culture war" but we would *never* stoop to that level | Jul 13 12:25 |
| kingoffrance | i guess with trump that is all kinda gone though | Jul 13 12:26 |
| kingoffrance | interesting nevertheless | Jul 13 12:26 |
| kingoffrance | its also entirely possible ppl have adopted such things unconsciously | Jul 13 12:27 |
| kingoffrance | rather than a deliberate strategy | Jul 13 12:27 |
| kingoffrance | i wouldnt rule that out | Jul 13 12:27 |
| kingoffrance | some of the trump ppl claim they hate republicans, but love trump, i.e. he is a supposed "outsider" ...so i think that is another reason they cant really say "did we adopt communist tactics, or are we infiltrated" ...because they claim to be outside of "normal" "right" while simultaneously "restoring" things | Jul 13 12:31 |
| kingoffrance | i.e. they are outsiders, but they are the *real* "right" | Jul 13 12:32 |
| kingoffrance | its the *other* "right" thats are phonies | Jul 13 12:32 |
| kingoffrance | *those* guys are infiltrated, etc. | Jul 13 12:32 |
| kingoffrance | aka when i do it, its not brainwashing | Jul 13 12:34 |
| kingoffrance | when you do it, it is | Jul 13 12:34 |
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| kingoffrance | like scaramucci called trump a "paper tiger" noone seemed to notice "where is he getting this terminology from?" | Jul 13 12:47 |
| kingoffrance | re: china | Jul 13 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: "His team bought over 1000 waterproof probes or bare chips from more than 70 different vendors on eBay, AliExpress, and online stores in 2019, and found the vast majority to be fake, counterfeit, or clones." https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/07/13/fake-ds18b20-temperature-sensors-counterfeit-clones/ | Jul 13 13:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Report: Most DS18B20 Temperature Sensors Sold Online are Fakes or Counterfeit Parts | Jul 13 13:28 | |
| schestowitz | since you mentioned sensors | Jul 13 13:28 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/both-sides | Jul 13 13:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Both Sides | Jul 13 13:31 | |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/depressing | Jul 13 14:01 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: the a1-fishy on those probe chips with country of origin Thailand there is is a chance they are genuine Thailand recycled. There has been over time a stack of 8087 intel math co processors that have turned up with copyright data of pre chip design and cased wrong that have been inside real silicon chip core. Yep remanfactured silicon recovered and recased. | Jul 13 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Of course remanfactured chips can have some odd issues the brutality of the process of decasing and recasing. | Jul 13 14:52 |
| kingoffrance | the front page is hilarious https://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php | Jul 13 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Economist | Jul 13 14:57 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/2002242 | Jul 13 15:16 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: That got old. | Jul 13 15:18 |
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| scientes | why do dogs eat poop? | Jul 13 15:48 |
| scientes | it is gross | Jul 13 15:48 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: There's a lot of information on the net on the topic. | Jul 13 15:50 |
| scientes | It is something I'd rather not know ore about | Jul 13 15:50 |
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| scientes | It is Lord of the Flies around here | Jul 13 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You brought it up %) | Jul 13 15:51 |
| MinceR | scientes: because they're disgusting monsters | Jul 13 15:51 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio) https://i.imgur.com/iWF2WYY.mp4 | Jul 13 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: If it's your dog doing this or you're planning on having a dog, you should definitely research the matter. The fecal matter. | Jul 13 15:53 |
| XRevan86 | I don't have dog nor plan to have one, so I'll leave that to you :P | Jul 13 15:53 |
| XRevan86 | * a dog | Jul 13 15:54 |
| scientes | I adopted a puppy | Jul 13 15:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: yea, look it up, consult the vet, all that stuff | Jul 13 15:55 |
| scientes | what I read said it is totally normal | Jul 13 15:55 |
| scientes | and that if you prevent bunnies from eating poop they will develop health problems | Jul 13 15:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It is, but it's also something not to encourage. | Jul 13 15:56 |
| XRevan86 | It's not a bunny. | Jul 13 15:56 |
| scientes | In gullivers travels there is a ladder of beurocrats, each level which eats the poop of the bearocrat above them | Jul 13 15:57 |
| scientes | also the book that is the source of Yahoo!'s name | Jul 13 15:57 |
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| kingoffrance | where endian comes from too IIRC | Jul 13 16:10 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Should be on the list of racist terms, amirite? | Jul 13 16:11 |
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| kingoffrance | i dunno i never hear egghead. poindexter, propeller head, ... | Jul 13 16:13 |
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| kingoffrance | computers are fashionable now | Jul 13 16:17 |
| kingoffrance | its kind of lost its sting i think | Jul 13 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | [15:48] <scientes> why do dogs eat poop? | Jul 13 17:12 |
| schestowitz | To signal to the owner the neglect | Jul 13 17:13 |
| scientes | No, its because they are disgusting monsters | Jul 13 17:16 |
| scientes | as MinceR said | Jul 13 17:16 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20022345 | Jul 13 17:19 |
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| kingoffrance | thats why you want a cat; self-cleaning, evil masterminds | Jul 13 17:35 |
| kingoffrance | plotting quietly | Jul 13 17:35 |
| MinceR | and there are many more reasons | Jul 13 17:42 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20022120 | Jul 13 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4373997) | Jul 13 17:42 | |
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| AVRS | https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-07-13 | Jul 13 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Boss Is White Supremacist - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2020-07-13 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jul 13 18:09 | |
| AVRS | Wait, Catbert is evil? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catbert#Characteristics | Jul 13 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Catbert - Wikipedia | Jul 13 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: shaping up to be a 70k+ day | Jul 13 18:11 |
| schestowitz | i linked to this carroon earlier | Jul 13 18:12 |
| schestowitz | after someone had sent it to me | Jul 13 18:12 |
| schestowitz | nails it | Jul 13 18:12 |
| schestowitz | iirc, dilbert's maker was also accused | Jul 13 18:12 |
| schestowitz | by cancel culturists | Jul 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | or maybe it was another high-profile cartoonist | Jul 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | I cannot recall | Jul 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | there was a flamewar with trolling | Jul 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Garfield's | Jul 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Apparently these things are not joking matter | Jul 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | and you paint a target on your butt if you dare try to approach the subject with any sort of banter | Jul 13 18:14 |
| AVRS | They are not even a silence matter… | Jul 13 18:14 |
| scientes | my god lord of the flies is horrible | Jul 13 18:15 |
| scientes | what isiots | Jul 13 18:15 |
| scientes | idiots | Jul 13 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Which one does a Scott do? | Jul 13 18:15 |
| schestowitz | I think Dilbert | Jul 13 18:16 |
| AVRS | Dilbert. | Jul 13 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Let me look this up, as I brought it up | Jul 13 18:16 |
| schestowitz | https://dilbert.com/search_results?sort=date_desc&terms=racist+jokes | Jul 13 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Racist Jokes Comic Strips | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jul 13 18:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://dilbert.com/search_results?terms=racism | Jul 13 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Racism Comic Strips | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jul 13 18:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/29/dilbert-creator-scott-adams-i-lost-my-tv-show-for-being-white/ | Jul 13 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mercurynews.com | 'Dilbert' creator Scott Adams lost TV show 'for being white' | Jul 13 18:16 | |
| schestowitz | lol | Jul 13 18:16 |
| schestowitz | https://nypost.com/2020/06/30/dilbert-creator-scott-adams-show-canceled-because-im-white/ | Jul 13 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nypost.com | 'Dilbert' creator Scott Adams: Show canceled because I'm white | Jul 13 18:16 | |
| AVRS | But then, I have read about many Instagram users unfollowing each other for not posting about an issue they consider important. | Jul 13 18:16 |
| schestowitz | https://www.cbr.com/twitter-drags-scott-adams-dilbert-cancellation-reverse-racism/ | Jul 13 18:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cbr.com | Twitter Drags Scott Adams' Claim Dilbert Cancellation Was Reverse-Racism | Jul 13 18:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/413801-dilbert-creator-defends-trump-remarks-on-charlottesville | Jul 13 18:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Dilbert' creator defends Trump remarks on Charlottesville | TheHill | Jul 13 18:17 | |
| schestowitz | yes, this is what I had in mind, I'm 99% this is what I recalled | Jul 13 18:17 |
| schestowitz | “I mean, my favorite example is Charlottesville,” Adams said. “When there was a protest about pro- and anti-statues and the president said that there were fine people on both sides, that was reported as he says there were fine people in the racist group, you know, the white supremacists.” | Jul 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | “That wasn’t really the context. The context was pro-statue, anti-statue,” Adams continued. | Jul 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | “He probably could have been a little more clear with the language he used,” Doocy cut in. | Jul 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | “Absolutely could have been more clear. But the way it’s been presented as if the sitting president not only said that antifa was fine people — I’m sure he didn’t say that — but he also said the white supremacists were fine people in front of America and thought it was a good idea,” Adams added. “That clearly never happened.” | Jul 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Last year's rally in Charlottesville was organized to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee, but it took on a more sinister tone after dozens of white men tied to the white nationalist movement carrying torches marched around the University of Virginia's campus chanting "Jews will not replace us." | Jul 13 18:19 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/2002206 | Jul 13 18:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4371379) | Jul 13 18:28 | |
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| AVRS | MinceR: https://cdn.fishki.net/upload/post/2016/11/30/2151776/2b08d172f5cb083670a4f94baf819421.jpg | Jul 13 18:43 |
| AVRS | Something like: | Jul 13 18:43 |
| AVRS | YOU ARE EVERYTHING NOT | Jul 13 18:43 |
| AVRS | ABLE TO BE LAZY | Jul 13 18:43 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 13 18:44 |
| MinceR | Don't Dead, Open Inside | Jul 13 18:44 |
| AVRS | Don't Fear | Jul 13 18:45 |
| AVRS | Open Inside | Jul 13 18:45 |
| AVRS | or Open This | Jul 13 18:46 |
| scientes | yeah that is the best distopia | Jul 13 18:48 |
| scientes | Lord of the Flies | Jul 13 18:48 |
| scientes | and that is what we create with endless school | Jul 13 18:51 |
| MinceR | i thought being human was enough for that | Jul 13 18:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: AVRS: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/cartoon-cancel.jpg | Jul 13 18:56 |
| MinceR | i fail to see what should outrage me about those comimcs | Jul 13 18:58 |
| MinceR | s/mcs/cs/ | Jul 13 18:58 |
| schestowitz | I've yet to see a "Racist" Dilbert strip | Jul 13 18:58 |
| schestowitz | find me one | Jul 13 18:58 |
| MinceR | is there one? | Jul 13 18:58 |
| schestowitz | maybe the idea is to "make an example" of nim | Jul 13 18:58 |
| schestowitz | that can muzzle the rest | Jul 13 18:59 |
| schestowitz | self-censorship | Jul 13 18:59 |
| schestowitz | https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/seinfeld-chappelle-gervais-cancel-culture/ | Jul 13 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hollywoodintoto.com | Did Seinfeld, Chappelle and Gervais Cancel Cancel Culture? - Hollywood in Toto | Jul 13 19:02 | |
| superkuh | Pay more attention to it and talk about it more. I'm sure that'll stop it. | Jul 13 19:03 |
| schestowitz | "The most obvious example: His mockery of the “alphabet people,” or the LGBTQ community." | Jul 13 19:04 |
| kingoffrance | http://www.angelfire.com/ga/paulmooney/ctos.html thats a fake dilbert, i dont recall what the original said | Jul 13 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.angelfire.com | Paul Mooney - CTOS Central | Jul 13 19:11 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | God this place is awful. | Jul 13 19:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of the cement steps crumbled out from under me and I only caught myself at the last second. | Jul 13 19:14 |
| kingoffrance | that one is more famous i think https://www.sweharris.org/about/ | Jul 13 19:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sweharris.org | About me · Ramblings of a Unix Geek | Jul 13 19:15 | |
| superkuh | Oh. systemd taking over out of memory management now? | Jul 13 19:25 |
| superkuh | "Systemd-oomd is the out-of-memory daemon developed by Facebook and systemd developers." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-oomd-coming-soon | Jul 13 19:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-systemd-oomd Looks Like It Will Come Together For systemd 247 - Phoronix | Jul 13 19:25 | |
| MinceR | obviously Linux didn't do memory management as badly as Backdoors does, therefore it isn't "modern" enough | Jul 13 19:27 |
| MinceR | or maybe they were butthurt because the OOM killer killed cancerd after cancerd gobbled up most of the memory :> | Jul 13 19:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It sets percentage thresholds. So on a system with lots of RAM, it could start trying to shut things down on you with 1-2 GB remaining that will absolutely never be used. | Jul 13 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's insane. | Jul 13 19:35 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 13 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Obviously, it's in Fedora already. | Jul 13 19:35 |
| MinceR | "Did Seinfeld, Chappelle and Gervais Cancel Cancel Culture?" -- unfortunately, no, they didn't | Jul 13 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy doesn't get English enough to understand my sense of humor. | Jul 13 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A bunch off shit fell out of the kitchen cabinets and he says "What happened?". | Jul 13 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Oh, a crapalanche.". | Jul 13 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He goes, "A what?". | Jul 13 19:38 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://imgur.com/gallery/qSk4xvY | Jul 13 19:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The magic of the Internet | Jul 13 19:39 | |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | [19:25] <superkuh> Oh. systemd taking over out of memory management now? | Jul 13 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Linux? What's that? | Jul 13 19:43 |
| schestowitz | IBMd | Jul 13 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | EarlyOOM is Facebook. | Jul 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | yes, I know | Jul 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | but it goes up a level | Jul 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | from hardware management being a linux thing | Jul 13 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, thanks to percentages instead of absolutes, it can effectively remove gigabytes of RAM from your computer. | Jul 13 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Defeating the purpose. | Jul 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | systemd was supposed to be another level/layer | Jul 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | soon it'll do fses, hardware drivers | Jul 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | firmware | Jul 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | etc. | Jul 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | 30,313 us covid cases so far today | Jul 13 19:45 |
| superkuh | Don't worry. Before that happens you'll be forced to use your browser as your OS. | Jul 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | most states not reporting yet | Jul 13 19:45 |
| superkuh | Then the browser will do hardware drivers. | Jul 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | chromeos | Jul 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | browsers as os and bootloaded | Jul 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | even chromeos rejects systemd | Jul 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | I think it uses systemv if not upstart | Jul 13 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | RAM that never gets used is waste. | Jul 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | which is fast and robust | Jul 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: true | Jul 13 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wasting RAM reduces the performance of the computer and in the way EarlyOOM does it, makes it far less predictable. | Jul 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | but many peope buy pcs based on misunderstanding | Jul 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | phones too | Jul 13 19:46 |
| MinceR | and then your browser will get OOM'd | Jul 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | like a phone with tb of memory | Jul 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | or pc with 32gb of ram | Jul 13 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | FirefoxKillerd. | Jul 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | "32 of this something? sounds good. will buy? how much? $2000? excellent!" | Jul 13 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It also has exceptions hardwired into it. | Jul 13 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So even if Mutter is leaking like a sieve for some reason, it will skip over it and go after one of your programs. | Jul 13 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Have fun with that. | Jul 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | superkuh: [16:30] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #systemd is replacing #linux https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-oomd-coming-soon [https://pleroma.site/objects/0e9927ec-8818-44aa-8c86-b6f214b78e21] | Jul 13 19:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-systemd-oomd Looks Like It Will Come Together For systemd 247 - Phoronix | Jul 13 19:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jul 13 19:47 | |
| schestowitz | I am doing an article related to this at the moment | Jul 13 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | BBL. Car shop again. Vacuum Leak. | Jul 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | meme to go with it http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/grown-ups.jpg | Jul 13 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ugh | Jul 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | "As for FUD, watch how IBM and Red Hat try to present themselves as a "professional" and "tolerant" GNU/Linux vendor; as if to choose Debian instead of RHEL is to rely on a bunch of reckless misogynists who eat babies... that's just <em>classic</em> IBM FUD." | Jul 13 19:48 |
| schestowitz | just added: It's IBM that led to the invention of FUD as a concept (former employee was its victim). | Jul 13 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I called Nvidia a bunch of jerks and got CoC blocked. | Jul 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | The time to speak out in favour of free speech is now; because the next phase typically involves removal (to be sold as "voluntary") of people whose political views are seen as professionally inadequate (recall what they did to Richard Stallman last September) | Jul 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | by who? | Jul 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | where? | Jul 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | this is interesting | Jul 13 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora | Jul 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | mailing list? | Jul 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Maybe 'doing a Torvalds' isn't OK for everybody, even with omission of the "F word..." | Jul 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: link? | Jul 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | forums? mailing lists? | Jul 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | explanation from them? | Jul 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | please pass on all details | Jul 13 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: I put "discussions" in the text | Jul 13 19:57 |
| schestowitz | it's generic enough | Jul 13 19:57 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/04/25/09b94ca546f50315.png | Jul 13 20:10 |
| schestowitz | +36,404 | Jul 13 20:11 |
| schestowitz | There Cannot be #SoftwareFreedom Without #FreeSpeech (Which is Nowadays Being Wrongly and Creatively Conflated With #Racism ) http://techrights.org/2020/07/13/no-software-freedom-without-free-speech/ | Jul 13 20:27 |
| schestowitz | mentions DaemonFC[m] | Jul 13 20:27 |
| schestowitz | +40,911 | Jul 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz | TX not reporting yet | Jul 13 20:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | There Cannot be Software Freedom Without Free Speech (Which is Nowadays Being Wrongly and Creatively Conflated With Racism) | Techrights | Jul 13 20:28 | |
| schestowitz | but I suppose these are partly the Sunday figures | Jul 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Tuesday can be the spike | Jul 13 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Tennessee +3,314 | Jul 13 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Red State | Jul 13 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Georgia +3,643\ | Jul 13 20:29 |
| schestowitz | can see the pattern, Trumpets | Jul 13 20:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz Eickmeyer warned me about CoC for talking about Nvidia and the problems it is likely to cause. | Jul 13 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On fedora-kde on IRC. | Jul 13 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | COVID-19 is one of those you had your chance to contain it but you blew it because you thought the Republicans wouldn't fuck you at the voting booth in those elections you like so much. | Jul 13 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Two things were obvious. Trump is neither capable of nor interested in containing a disaster. And....disasters happen. | Jul 13 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So saying you weren't warned is comical. | Jul 13 20:41 |
| schestowitz | [20:38] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz Eickmeyer warned me about CoC for talking about Nvidia and the problems it is likely to cause. | Jul 13 20:43 |
| schestowitz | you mean, like alienating the company? | Jul 13 20:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: he can thrive in disasters | Jul 13 20:43 |
| schestowitz | as he did for years | Jul 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | heck, he can use that to postpone or cancel elections | Jul 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | he's already provoking deliberately with his "rallies" | Jul 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | no gain other then seeding divide | Jul 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | as it alienates more than it attracts, even among the "right-wing" base | Jul 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | moderate or lesser right | Jul 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | +43,983 | Jul 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | still no TX figures | Jul 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | those are for Sunday... mostly | Jul 13 20:47 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | > you mean, like alienating the company? | Jul 13 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The gist of it is I called Nvidia abusive jerks who troll their customers instead of offering a real Linux driver. | Jul 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | where did you say that? | Jul 13 21:01 |
| schestowitz | IRC? | Jul 13 21:01 |
| schestowitz | and also, where nvidia staff present in the channel (that you know of)? | Jul 13 21:01 |
| schestowitz | "jerk" is not a bad word | Jul 13 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I doubt any coc would formally deem it as such | Jul 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | unless the coc is very open-ended and ad hoc | Jul 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | texas says 313 new cases | Jul 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | so surely it's just some preliminary number | Jul 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | they might be basing this on an early report | Jul 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | it'll be updated later | Jul 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | almost 50k cases now and 5 hours to go | Jul 13 21:03 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: sorry about /msging you, but I stop myself from e-mailing you without using GnuPG - not because it would be more private - and that is hard because I hate passwords and wouldn't use it often. | Jul 13 21:12 |
| AVRS | So I would forget the password. | Jul 13 21:12 |
| schestowitz | [21:13] <schestowitz> it triggers system-notify | Jul 13 21:13 |
| schestowitz | [21:13] <schestowitz> and I lose my train of thought | Jul 13 21:13 |
| schestowitz | [21:13] <schestowitz> hang on.. | Jul 13 21:13 |
| schestowitz | [21:13] <schestowitz> I will read in a sec | Jul 13 21:13 |
| schestowitz | [21:13] <schestowitz> I was doing something complex at the time... multitasking with some idiot troll in Twitter | Jul 13 21:13 |
| schestowitz | And I even replied to you in the wrong channel just now... | Jul 13 21:14 |
| schestowitz | now texas 2,023, DaemonFC[m] | Jul 13 21:15 |
| AVRS | What's the point of multitasking with some idiot troll in Twitter? | Jul 13 21:15 |
| schestowitz | correcting the record | Jul 13 21:15 |
| AVRS | Sounds like triple bad. | Jul 13 21:15 |
| schestowitz | [21:11] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): The 4 tweets in this thread all contain straw man arguments. They basically misframe and misrepresent what I >actually< said and asserted, based on the hard facts. Because reality is not always convenient. https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1282744231... [https://pleroma.site/objects/2c9db964-9d56-4269-b08a-9d453ff853cf] | Jul 13 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sheamus: @sian_ What, the cat thing? Yeah, they make such a deal of it. Body shaking back and forth, lots of 'RAWWKKK RAWWKKK' noise going on. Mental | Jul 13 21:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jul 13 21:15 | |
| schestowitz | the link is broken | Jul 13 21:16 |
| AVRS | Are /msgs really so important that you use system-notify? | Jul 13 21:16 |
| AVRS | I remember KDE 3 had a terrible sound for errors, but KDE 4 is not as bad. | Jul 13 21:17 |
| schestowitz | it's konversation defaults | Jul 13 21:20 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to hear about it anymore | Jul 13 21:21 |
| schestowitz | I lost my train of thought anyway | Jul 13 21:21 |
| schestowitz | and opened an unsavoury page from a bad domain | Jul 13 21:21 |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_20200713-152100_Riotim.jpg (676KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/lNXrqRjnXysjDwYDxjEdyNIr > | Jul 13 21:21 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz Check this out. Apparently they even eat their own. | Jul 13 21:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: date of message? | Jul 13 21:24 |
| schestowitz | I will do a post about it | Jul 13 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just now. Unfolding in #fedora-kde | Jul 13 21:24 |
| schestowitz | wow | Jul 13 21:24 |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_20200713-152348_Riotim.jpg (694KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/AQkGFUquKmveuAojBGLLcsYf > | Jul 13 21:24 | |
| schestowitz | keep an eye | Jul 13 21:24 |
| schestowitz | screenshot everything | Jul 13 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's not a troll. He's a contributor who tubbed some people the wrong way and now the banhammmer is coming out. Fedora KDE was already collapsing and now it finally will. | Jul 13 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *rubbed | Jul 13 21:25 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: *reads a little further* oh, that link was indeed bad and shouldn't be considered; sorry about that. | Jul 13 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't like him much from what I can gather because he doesn't much care for all of the GNOME crap and GTK administration stuff that's part of what's wrong with their KDE spin. | Jul 13 21:27 |
| schestowitz | moar, moar screenshots | Jul 13 21:27 |
| schestowitz | I am doing a post about thid | Jul 13 21:27 |
| schestowitz | *this | Jul 13 21:28 |
| schestowitz | AVRS: hardly usable in any context | Jul 13 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, the major upgrade to Kubuntu is none of that garbage rolling around. Adding bugs and making things worse. | Jul 13 21:28 |
| schestowitz | ibm dumped kde support | Jul 13 21:28 |
| schestowitz | just when it took over red hatr | Jul 13 21:28 |
| schestowitz | the announcement was slipped in under the news noise | Jul 13 21:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: if you can scroll up for more context, that might help | Jul 13 21:29 |
| schestowitz | I will seam together the images | Jul 13 21:29 |
| schestowitz | and remove phone (android?) parts | Jul 13 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'll get it when I'm back home. I'm watching this from the car shop. | Jul 13 21:30 |
| schestowitz | it'll be too late | Jul 13 21:30 |
| schestowitz | ok, I'll finalise now | Jul 13 21:30 |
| schestowitz | thankls | Jul 13 21:30 |
| schestowitz | (in gimp) | Jul 13 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz KDE on Red Hat was this unofficial repo at the beginning. | Jul 13 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rex Dieter was one of the ones who lobhied to get it in, so I don't think this is coming from him. It's Red Hat people. Nirik joined the room and he's never in there. So I think he's about to actually remove Kofler. | Jul 13 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *lobbied | Jul 13 21:31 |
| AVRS | DaemonFC[m]: remember how Intel was forced to pull it ads a web magazine during the GamerGate due to demand from one of the sides? | Jul 13 21:34 |
| schestowitz | I heard of it | Jul 13 21:34 |
| schestowitz | but I'm no gamergame expert | Jul 13 21:34 |
| schestowitz | too much drama for me | Jul 13 21:34 |
| AVRS | DaemonFC[m]: also, today I read a comment mentioning how Torvalds was criticized for criticizing (sharply) NVIDIA for something in the past. | Jul 13 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Rex Dieter is redhat staff, right, DaemonFC[m]? | Jul 13 21:35 |
| schestowitz | https://www.linux.com/news/interview-kde-redhat-project-leader-rex-dieter/ | Jul 13 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Interview with kde-redhat Project Leader Rex Dieter - Linux.com | Jul 13 21:36 | |
| AVRS | ArsTechnica: Linus Torvalds says “f–k you” to NVIDIA | Jul 13 21:36 |
| schestowitz | https://dot.kde.org/2006/01/03/interview-kde-redhat-project-leader-rex-dieter | Jul 13 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org | Interview with kde-redhat Project Leader Rex Dieter | KDE.news | Jul 13 21:36 | |
| AVRS | 2012 | Jul 13 21:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/fedora-kde.jpg | Jul 13 21:38 |
| AVRS | Can't open techrights | Jul 13 21:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: if you see notable and noteworthy followups there, I assume he still has voice after all, we can update the post with moe | Jul 13 21:39 |
| schestowitz | *more | Jul 13 21:39 |
| schestowitz | AVRS: maybe you try https | Jul 13 21:39 |
| AVRS | Error establishing a database connection | Jul 13 21:39 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: Internal Server Error | Jul 13 21:40 |
| AVRS | works now | Jul 13 21:40 |
| schestowitz | yes, I can see now | Jul 13 21:40 |
| schestowitz | 5% of reqs failed | Jul 13 21:40 |
| schestowitz | due to overload | Jul 13 21:41 |
| schestowitz | now 27% | Jul 13 21:41 |
| schestowitz | some a-hole binge-ing pages | Jul 13 21:41 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: There’s Apparently a New Boss (or Policy) at Red Hat/IBM http://techrights.org/2020/07/13/rex-dieter-bans-kevin-kofler/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/af929702-7c80-44df-8981-ffc192ec4fff] | Jul 13 21:47 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: AVRS ^^^ | Jul 13 21:47 |
| AVRS | https://www.theregister.com/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/ "We (may) now know the real reason for that IBM takeover. A distraction for Red Hat to axe KDE" - lol? | Jul 13 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | We (may) now know the real reason for that IBM takeover. A distraction for Red Hat to axe KDE • The Register | Jul 13 21:51 | |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 13 21:52 |
| MinceR | not that it was necessary | Jul 13 21:52 |
| MinceR | KDE capitulated to hedrat sometime around 2014 | Jul 13 21:53 |
| psydroid | "let's deprecate KDE because it makes GNOME look very bad in comparison" | Jul 13 21:53 |
| AVRS | MinceR: how is KDE related to RH? | Jul 13 21:53 |
| AVRS | MinceR: what does what you said mean? | Jul 13 21:54 |
| schestowitz | it's not related | Jul 13 21:54 |
| schestowitz | but fedora is | Jul 13 21:55 |
| MinceR | wasn't related, afaik | Jul 13 21:55 |
| schestowitz | and red hat controls the mark, name etc. | Jul 13 21:55 |
| MinceR | what i was referring to was that when KDE5 was upcoming, they announced that it was going to depend on cancerd | Jul 13 21:55 |
| schestowitz | you cannot just make your own fedora | Jul 13 21:55 |
| schestowitz | unless red ahat blessed you | Jul 13 21:55 |
| schestowitz | i.e. ibm | Jul 13 21:55 |
| MinceR | because screw everyone who doesn't use cancerd | Jul 13 21:55 |
| schestowitz | you need to choose another name, as few did | Jul 13 21:55 |
| schestowitz | fedora doesn't have many distros derived or branched off/from it | Jul 13 21:56 |
| MinceR | it should have been obvious to them already that in the cancerd world, there's no room for choice, there's no room for alternatives | Jul 13 21:56 |
| MinceR | as the cult puts it, "Linux is not about choice" | Jul 13 21:56 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: KDE e.V. is controlled by Red Hat? Or do you mean that Fedora is controlled by Red Hat? | Jul 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Fedor | Jul 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Fedora | Jul 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz | it's their mark | Jul 13 21:56 |
| AVRS | ah (sorry, didn't read the whole) | Jul 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz | and they spend a lot of money and manpower on the mark | Jul 13 21:56 |
| MinceR | and hedrat has owned and preferred gnome for ages | Jul 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz | the logo, the artwork etc. | Jul 13 21:56 |
| MinceR | it doesn't take a genius to realize what would happen to KDE in a systemd-only world | Jul 13 21:56 |
| MinceR | and they still went ahead with it | Jul 13 21:56 |
| MinceR | which means they _wanted_ KDE to die | Jul 13 21:57 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139832 [https://pleroma.site/objects/329f90df-8686-4f84-b8e9-25cad09ed6fc] | Jul 13 21:57 | |
| AVRS | You can't make your own Debian either. | Jul 13 21:57 |
| schestowitz | true, but it's less controlled upstream by suits | Jul 13 21:57 |
| schestowitz | also LTS | Jul 13 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Fedora leave you having to roll or upgrade very oftren | Jul 13 21:58 |
| psydroid | does KDE still work without brokend? | Jul 13 21:58 |
| schestowitz | and the upgraders are not so reliable, either | Jul 13 21:58 |
| schestowitz | psydroid: I think so | Jul 13 21:58 |
| schestowitz | maybe not plasma5's latest | Jul 13 21:58 |
| schestowitz | US +51,043 cases | Jul 13 21:58 |
| MinceR | i think some BSD still ships KDE, so it's possible | Jul 13 21:59 |
| MinceR | even gnome was patched to build without cancerd | Jul 13 22:00 |
| MinceR | unofficially, of course | Jul 13 22:00 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139833 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dfcf0187-0267-4c25-ad10-86ce5971a130] | Jul 13 22:05 | |
| schestowitz | pcbsd did kde | Jul 13 22:09 |
| schestowitz | then trueos | Jul 13 22:09 |
| schestowitz | but it shut down | Jul 13 22:09 |
| schestowitz | so it's possible that freebsd does, but not the other | Jul 13 22:09 |
| AVRS | Debian: https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/kde-plasma-desktop depends on udisks2, and udisks2 depends on systemd. | Jul 13 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-packages.debian.org | Debian -- Details of package kde-plasma-desktop in bullseye | Jul 13 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | de groot or whatever his name his maintains kde for freebsd | Jul 13 22:09 |
| psydroid | I hope this will be a sign for KDE to realise that it needs to support and be supported on more than a narrow selection of systemd/Linux distributions | Jul 13 22:09 |
| schestowitz | IBM-d | Jul 13 22:10 |
| MinceR | i hope this will be a sign to the remaining community to never trust corporations | Jul 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: +54,067 | Jul 13 22:10 |
| psydroid | I must say those corporations played the game very well | Jul 13 22:11 |
| psydroid | talking about "community" and doing things "for the greater good" (of their own bank accounts) | Jul 13 22:11 |
| MinceR | and of course to never trust crybullies | Jul 13 22:12 |
| AVRS | Devuan has KDE 5.104. | Jul 13 22:14 |
| AVRS | https://kde.org/plasma-desktop says the latest one is 5.19. | Jul 13 22:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Plasma - KDE.org | Jul 13 22:14 | |
| AVRS | I guess 5.104 is 5.10-x? | Jul 13 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I can screenshot my /r/Linux CoC ban if you want. | Jul 13 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The CoC Blockers over there that promote Microsoft. | Jul 13 22:19 |
| AVRS | Debian testing/sid also uses 5.104. | Jul 13 22:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They did not react well to Microsoft being called 0xBIGBOOBS Microsoft. | Jul 13 22:19 |
| psydroid | I hope DeadRat will completely stop shipping KDE and messing with it, so it can be developed without the biggest bully sabotaging it in favour of GNOME | Jul 13 22:20 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139834 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5c462800-9412-4bcc-9649-2969f2fbbcf0] | Jul 13 22:21 | |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: please do | Jul 13 22:22 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: Firefox Startup Cache, Security of Passwords, and Servo http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139835 [https://pleroma.site/objects/21f7ae09-804c-482b-a735-584f3cce700c] | Jul 13 22:24 | |
| AVRS | Earlier, habr.com (a Russian collective blog) seemed to be full of Linux-haters, but now, not so much… | Jul 13 22:25 |
| AVRS | Earlier = recently, now = very recently | Jul 13 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Reddit loads a script that removes Take a Screenshot from the right click menu in Firefox. LOL | Jul 13 22:25 |
| CrystalMath | using ELinks, i did not notice | Jul 13 22:25 |
| AVRS | Using Firefox, I don't notice, either. | Jul 13 22:26 |
| AVRS | Ah, dom.event.contextmenu.enabledfalse | Jul 13 22:27 |
| CrystalMath | i mean screenshots for me are like, GNU screen hardcopies :D | Jul 13 22:27 |
| CrystalMath | all i have is text | Jul 13 22:28 |
| AVRS | But that's not the reason. | Jul 13 22:28 |
| schestowitz | [22:18] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: I can screenshot my /r/Linux CoC ban if you want. | Jul 13 22:29 |
| schestowitz | please | Jul 13 22:29 |
| AVRS | DaemonFC[m]: New Firefox profile: item still not hidden. | Jul 13 22:30 |
| AVRS | DaemonFC[m]: how did you find out? | Jul 13 22:30 |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_20200713_162729.png (146KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/rvnfRgpfdSqfmDJecpghYioq > | Jul 13 22:30 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I did reply to it. I said, "Fuck you, shitdick.". | Jul 13 22:30 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Is that your screenshot? | Jul 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Jul 13 22:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Jul 13 22:32 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: They show the post but not the ban reason. | Jul 13 22:33 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: You should try to work it out. | Jul 13 22:33 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe they didn't get the sexadecimal reference. | Jul 13 22:33 |
| AVRS | How many projects does GNU have? | Jul 13 22:33 |
| MinceR | "take back the web" -- unless the site doesn't want you to. | Jul 13 22:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My favorite are Android apps that say "You can't take screenshots due to a security policy in effect on this app.". | Jul 13 22:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: very relevant given 3 posts we did recently re reddit | Jul 13 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least with Firefox, you can just hit print screen. | Jul 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | censoring for MSFT | Jul 13 22:35 |
| AVRS | DaemonFC[m]: unless W3C EME | Jul 13 22:35 |
| AVRS | (I guess) | Jul 13 22:35 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: It's a lightweight kind of DRM, pretty weird. | Jul 13 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Disabled by force. | Jul 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: date/time of ban? | Jul 13 22:35 |
| AVRS | Never used EME | Jul 13 22:35 |
| MinceR | Extremely Malicious Extensions | Jul 13 22:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 19 hours ago....So yesterday. | Jul 13 22:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: They won't say which moderator did the ban, or why. | Jul 13 22:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's impossible to tell. They all lock real Linux posts and float Microsoft and Windows crap. | Jul 13 22:37 |
| AVRS | Hm, EME is disabled by default in Firefox? | Jul 13 22:37 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Reply to the message. | Jul 13 22:37 |
| AVRS | good | Jul 13 22:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <XRevan86 "DaemonFC: Reply to the message."> I did. | Jul 13 22:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Fuck you, shitdick." is a reply. | Jul 13 22:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't have any questions about my ban. | Jul 13 22:37 |
| XRevan86 | You're not getting unbanned, are you… | Jul 13 22:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was already a given. Might as well give them the finger. | Jul 13 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instead of the satisfaction. | Jul 13 22:38 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: You could ask for a specific reason. | Jul 13 22:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: minor request | Jul 13 22:38 |
| AVRS | > AVRS> How many projects does GNU have? | Jul 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | can you narrow down the browser (width) | Jul 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | then take the screenshot again? | Jul 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | about 480-600px in width | Jul 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | it would make it easier to read | Jul 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | I cannot reflow the text | Jul 13 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: It's not like they'd care about you calling them names. | Jul 13 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | That would just serve as justification for the ban. | Jul 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Has Put the String “0xBIGBOOBS” Inside Linux (Kernel Driver for Microsoft's Windows-Only Proprietary Software); Reddit (Condé Nast) Bans You For Mentioning That | Jul 13 22:40 |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_20200713_164002.png (143KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/dFipbliIaltxsZlltoErkNWJ > | Jul 13 22:40 | |
| schestowitz | That's better, thank you | Jul 13 22:41 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's probably it, but maybe they didn't get it. | Jul 13 22:41 |
| AVRS | I recall there being thousands of GNU projects, which calms me down about critics and bad supporters of RMS. | Jul 13 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Before he left, RMS broke down and gave Nano an exception from the copyright assignment rule. | Jul 13 22:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now everyone will want one and they won't be able to enforce the GPL on GNU anything. | Jul 13 22:42 |
| AVRS | But I don't remember where I picked that info up, and don't have any support of it. | Jul 13 22:42 |
| XRevan86 | I don't get that defensive attitude. Before assuming someone one needs to clarify. | Jul 13 22:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As much as the Microsoft CoCsuckers will let anyone "leave". | Jul 13 22:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's leave or we'll just ban you or set the twit bit so you can't talk to anyone. | Jul 13 22:43 |
| AVRS | DaemonFC[m]: have you been warned at that subreddit in the past? | Jul 13 22:43 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: It's an assumption. | Jul 13 22:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, they just sprayed poo all over my posts about Lenovo. | Jul 13 22:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I think it's gotten worse since then. | Jul 13 22:44 |
| AVRS | Did the posts contain poo though? | Jul 13 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | or even confirmation bias | Jul 13 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: No matter what's your perception, you don't know their reasoning, because they didn't tell you, and you didn't ask. | Jul 13 22:45 |
| AVRS | DaemonFC[m]: maybe to them it looked like the set of tools that was removed from Debian for being called boobs, all the tools being called boobs, and their commands being related to that word. | Jul 13 22:47 |
| MinceR | weboobs | Jul 13 22:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The CoC is just a beachhead for Microsoft & Friends and a bunch of drama queens and dead weight to take over your project from the minority and begin the "rot it from the inside out" process. | Jul 13 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | First you corrupt the software itself. Then you banish the entire community because someone got their feewings hurt. | Jul 13 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Profit! | Jul 13 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's never been an open source project that I've seen that got healthier and more active after a CoC was imposed and used to ban the community members and (worse) active contributors. | Jul 13 22:49 |
| MinceR | apparently it's just weboob | Jul 13 22:49 |
| AVRS | https://weboob.org | Jul 13 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-weboob.org | Weboob - Web Outside of Browsers | Jul 13 22:49 | |
| AVRS | https://weboob.org/applications/weboob-config | Jul 13 22:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-weboob.org | Weboob - Application - weboob-config | Jul 13 22:50 | |
| AVRS | icon… | Jul 13 22:50 |
| AVRS | Seems more like an exception though: https://weboob.org/applications/ | Jul 13 22:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-weboob.org | Weboob - Applications | Jul 13 22:51 | |
| AVRS | Though there are other icons that can be irritating if you think they are relevant. | Jul 13 22:51 |
| AVRS | QHandjoob, QHaveDate | Jul 13 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think that KDE has gotten all stupidly political yet have they? | Jul 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | planet kde has had none of it | Jul 13 22:54 |
| schestowitz | unlike planet debian | Jul 13 22:54 |
| schestowitz | #Microsoft Has Put the String “0xBIGBOOBS” Inside #Linux ( #Kernel Driver for Microsoft's Windows-Only Proprietary Software, Formerly a #GPL Violation); #Reddit (Condé Nast) Bans You For Mentioning Such Things http://techrights.org/2020/07/13/reddit-bans-again/ | Jul 13 23:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: ^ | Jul 13 23:01 |
| schestowitz | COVID19 death watch: +58,468 | Jul 13 23:01 |
| schestowitz | texas up to 6k now | Jul 13 23:01 |
| schestowitz | 3 hours to go | Jul 13 23:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Has Put the String “0xBIGBOOBS” Inside Linux (Kernel Driver for Microsoft’s Windows-Only Proprietary Software, Formerly a GPL Violation); Reddit (Condé Nast) Bans You For Mentioning Such Things | Techrights | Jul 13 23:02 | |
| schestowitz | 71,7k the all-time high | Jul 13 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I left #fedora-kde in disgust. | Jul 13 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're writing their own suicide letter anyway with that CoC bullshit. | Jul 13 23:02 |
| schestowitz | any more output from them? | Jul 13 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They invited nirik in, he shot Kofler. I commented on how disgusting the whole thing was. | Jul 13 23:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They threatened me again. I left. | Jul 13 23:03 |
| schestowitz | nirik? | Jul 13 23:05 |
| schestowitz | is s/he senior? | Jul 13 23:05 |
| AVRS | DaemonFC[m]: are you being threatened with bans often? | Jul 13 23:05 |
| schestowitz | they threatened you too? | Jul 13 23:05 |
| schestowitz | got a copy? | Jul 13 23:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, and I'm not going back in there. | Jul 13 23:06 |
| schestowitz | maybe logs? | Jul 13 23:06 |
| schestowitz | do you use a 'phone'? | Jul 13 23:06 |
| schestowitz | all desktop irc clients have logging, some on by default | Jul 13 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It went on and on. | Jul 13 23:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, my phone is still in there. | Jul 13 23:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yeah, looks like it went on and on and Riot logged the whole thing. | Jul 13 23:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it really just goes on forever. | Jul 13 23:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It looks like Kevin Kofler was banned because he sometimes went off topic and had "pet names" for software and companies that annoyed him. | Jul 13 23:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which violated the CoC and brought about the ban. | Jul 13 23:11 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: More Reports About GSoC-Sponsored NetBSD Work http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139817#comment-25791 [https://pleroma.site/objects/456ff393-c65e-429f-9f68-d969088f46ac] | Jul 13 23:12 | |
| MinceR | good to know that even corporations have a right to be offended now | Jul 13 23:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It wasn't anything serious or extremely offensive that just went totally out of line. | Jul 13 23:12 |
| MinceR | "The Earth is hungry. Its heart throbs and demands cleansing. The Earth is also thirsty." | Jul 13 23:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now there's some "woman" in there who went to lengths to point out that you don't want to offend her because she's a "minority" in the #fedora-kde room. | Jul 13 23:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was the "Oh shit." moment of them all. | Jul 13 23:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Fedora tragicomedy has completely jumped the shark. | Jul 13 23:13 |
| MinceR | "Corporations are people, my friend!" | Jul 13 23:14 |
| psydread | congrats on getting banned from r/linux | Jul 13 23:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Kofler used to be a full time Fedora-KDE contributor and then resigned over it deteriorating because of bits of GNOME, terrible GTK-based system management software, and systemd. | Jul 13 23:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then he came back. | Jul 13 23:15 |
| psydread | I appear to be in good company with my own ban(s) and maximum negative karma | Jul 13 23:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For the last, I don't know, 10-15 releases, it's just gotten worse and I can't imagine that after permabanning their second most active contributor that things will get better. | Jul 13 23:16 |
| psydread | I hope he will join Kubuntu and/or KDE Neon or something like that | Jul 13 23:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, but remember Canonical gave Jonathan Riddell the boot even though he was one of the original Kubuntu team members. | Jul 13 23:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is just happening everywhere. Kubuntu isn't breaking down due to neglect and malicious mischief from Red Hat at least. | Jul 13 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Kofler opened a Fedora Council ticket to ask about his ban and they deleted it. | Jul 13 23:23 |
| AVRS | psydread: ah, that was you. So I guess scratch my Q to DaemonFC[m] about being threatened often. | Jul 13 23:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He was basically booted after a "trial in absentia" where he was not allowed to say anything, and now they're disappearing all traces of there having been a Kevin Kofler. | Jul 13 23:24 |
| AVRS | DaemonFC[m]: was there reasoning for the deletion? | Jul 13 23:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, it just disappeared before I could click on it to see what he said. | Jul 13 23:25 |
| psydread | I think him not adhering to the CoC-strap rule was an easy excuse to be able to can the whole Fedora KDE project due to a "lack of maintenance" | Jul 13 23:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is like watching one of Stalin's purges. | Jul 13 23:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where they just edited the disappeared people out of the pictures later. | Jul 13 23:26 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Star Lite Mk III and Purism GNU/Linux Laptops http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139836 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e68a4a1c-937f-4054-a9bb-ebc9be5ae44e] | Jul 13 23:27 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, they'll probably come after Rex Dieter next and then someone will tell him sorry. before they delete him. | Jul 13 23:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then KDE. | Jul 13 23:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think he sees it coming because he's acting like a real asshole too now. Didn't used to. | Jul 13 23:28 |
| psydread | he can always join OpenSUSE, which still has KDE as a first-class citizen | Jul 13 23:29 |
| AVRS | What does "Mk" mean in all those names like "Mk2", "Mk3", "Mk V"? | Jul 13 23:29 |
| psydread | and actually works | Jul 13 23:29 |
| AVRS | Oh. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Mk Abbreviation of mark. (a particular make or model) | Jul 13 23:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | Mk - Wiktionary | Jul 13 23:30 | |
| schestowitz | [23:11] <DaemonFC[m]> Which violated the CoC and brought about the ban. | Jul 13 23:30 |
| schestowitz | calling companies 'bad names' is against which part in the CoC? | Jul 13 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct | Jul 13 23:31 |
| schestowitz | [23:12] <MinceR> good to know that even corporations have a right to be offended now | Jul 13 23:31 |
| schestowitz | poorly worked imho | Jul 13 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyone can end up choking on the CoC if you look at it just so. | Jul 13 23:31 |
| schestowitz | missing a "not" after "right" | Jul 13 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ | Jul 13 23:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.fedoraproject.org | Code of Conduct :: Fedora Docs Site | Jul 13 23:32 | |
| schestowitz | [23:21] <DaemonFC[m]> Yeah, but remember Canonical gave Jonathan Riddell the boot even though he was one of the original Kubuntu team members. | Jul 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, he also said something about Canonical | Jul 13 23:32 |
| schestowitz | which MS (Mark) did not like | Jul 13 23:32 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: if even ignoring an HR's e-mail can eventually lead to that HR ignoring you, that could apply to projects… | Jul 13 23:33 |
| AVRS | and people try to discourage others from participating in the projects of people they don't like | Jul 13 23:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | SUSE appears to be owned by a private equity firm now. | Jul 13 23:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure that's as wunderbar as it sounds. | Jul 13 23:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Feminasties (not just for womyn anymore) have burrowed into Debian. | Jul 13 23:34 |
| schestowitz | some swedish fund | Jul 13 23:34 |
| schestowitz | debian did cancel a number of devs | Jul 13 23:35 |
| schestowitz | over the perception of "intolerance" or something | Jul 13 23:35 |
| schestowitz | very weak grounds when you examine the underlying evidence | Jul 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | and debian also hid corporate money it took | Jul 13 23:36 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: depends... "right to be offended", whine, be compensated vs "right not to be offended", opposition silenced | Jul 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | which some of these volunteers spoke about | Jul 13 23:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, so Flatpak should be a natural fit for them now, yah? | Jul 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | apparently that's a huge sin... to talk about that money | Jul 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | which had censorship of Google critics ensuing | Jul 13 23:36 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: i think it stopped being about women a long time ago | Jul 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | they moderate the mailing lists... from Google | Jul 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's not even about binary genders anymore | Jul 13 23:37 |
| schestowitz | it's just a lot of people | Jul 13 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, there used to be a program called goodbye Microsoft that installed a Debian netinst on your boot sector. | Jul 13 23:37 |
| schestowitz | with many beliefs | Jul 13 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now it would be Hello, again, Microsoft!. | Jul 13 23:37 |
| schestowitz | sometimes religions, sometimes identity, sometimes race | Jul 13 23:37 |
| AVRS | it's against now, not for | Jul 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | and they're very angry about projects not accepting them wholeheartedly and even if on purely technical grounds they'll blame bigotry | Jul 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | this is what sage/sarah did | Jul 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | "They" did this to Linus | Jul 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | and it worked | Jul 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | it's a principal reason for him taking a "break" | Jul 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: that dev is no longer in debian | Jul 13 23:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It is true that Microsoft can't ruin BSD and make it impossible to install on your computer. | Jul 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | I used to speak to him ages ago | Jul 13 23:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | BSD beat them there by over 20 years. | Jul 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | like a decade+ back | Jul 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | he also worked on grub/grub2 | Jul 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | all these attacks, btw, don't let them cause desperation | Jul 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | to despair is what they want | Jul 13 23:39 |
| AVRS | Is it "feminists" who require the use the word "women" in the positive discrimination projects? | Jul 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | because gnu/linux is killing them | Jul 13 23:39 |
| AVRS | *of the word | Jul 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | it slaughters winservers and iis on the server side | Jul 13 23:40 |
| schestowitz | it won mobile too | Jul 13 23:40 |
| MinceR | i could install OpenBSD on my computer last year | Jul 13 23:40 |
| schestowitz | now it is gaining fast on desktop/laptop client side, esp. in developing world/new markets | Jul 13 23:40 |
| AVRS | Or is it just because transwomen are to be considered women in those countries that they are included, and nobody else (but women) is actually included? | Jul 13 23:40 |
| schestowitz | [23:39] <AVRS> Is it "feminists" who require the use the word "women" in the positive discrimination projects? | Jul 13 23:40 |
| schestowitz | You don't need to mention names | Jul 13 23:40 |
| schestowitz | or genders | Jul 13 23:40 |
| schestowitz | or gendered words | Jul 13 23:40 |
| schestowitz | if you avoid them all | Jul 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | then you can swap with links | Jul 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | to the respective people | Jul 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | and you rid yourself from obnoxious attempts to frame the messenger as a bigot | Jul 13 23:41 |
| psydread | and even apple is going to make it hard to impossible to run wintendo anymore | Jul 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | it's really simple and it is totally fair | Jul 13 23:41 |
| psydread | death by a thousand cuts | Jul 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | you basically you know how they might attack the messenger | Jul 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | so you prepare accordingly, it removes that attack vector entirely | Jul 13 23:41 |
| schestowitz | then they'll pick on typos | Jul 13 23:42 |
| schestowitz | so ghost-read carefully :-) | Jul 13 23:42 |
| schestowitz | and don't forget to choose good fonts with good colour contrast... some pick on that as welll | Jul 13 23:42 |
| schestowitz | "can't take this site seriously... the fonts are hideous.." | Jul 13 23:43 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: right, sorry; my question is: do any of positive discrimination have any other controversial differences about what people think the names mean? | Jul 13 23:43 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Enhancing Syzkaller support for NetBSD, Part 1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139817#comment-25793 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b0fdc8d9-8b0c-4a80-ba2d-1687112c39c5] | Jul 13 23:44 | |
| MinceR | "positive discrimination" is just discrimination | Jul 13 23:44 |
| schestowitz | you know you won on merit and argument when they start picking on site layout etc. | Jul 13 23:44 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: people pick on the spelling way too often when they could pick on the stupid message itself. | Jul 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they have slogans for it | Jul 13 23:45 |
| AVRS | in Russian, at least | Jul 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz | "equal opportunity" for minorities usually | Jul 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz | "affirmative action" is another | Jul 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz | "diversity drive" | Jul 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | nobody would oppose these | Jul 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | when framed like that | Jul 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | nobody is against such principles | Jul 13 23:46 |
| MinceR | i do | Jul 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | you need to rename them first | Jul 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | otherwise you'd sound bad | Jul 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | code of conduct also sounds positive | Jul 13 23:46 |
| AVRS | I mean the project names, sorry. | Jul 13 23:47 |
| schestowitz | it's more like geek hammer | Jul 13 23:47 |
| AVRS | But you told me not to mention them. :P | Jul 13 23:47 |
| AVRS | All I can tell is that people at the Russian forums were very annoyed by the "misnaming". | Jul 13 23:48 |
| AVRS | Now anyone can declare themselves someone else and join a project for that. | Jul 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz | not projects | Jul 13 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "you know you won on merit and ar"> To be fair, I mean..... Could you just make it look more like Tux Machines or something? | Jul 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz | people | Jul 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz | naming projects is ok | Jul 13 23:49 |
| psydread | F: ARM is garbage, why should Wintendo run on it? R: GNU/Linux runs fine on everything F: Linux doesn't have Adobe video editing software A: GNU/Linux has free software applications, and if you really must have it, also high-end closed software (F=FUD, R=Refutation) | Jul 13 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It kind of overflows and runs down the center of the screen. :/ | Jul 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz | it's not ad hominem unless the project are named after oneself, like linux | Jul 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz | or systemDik | Jul 13 23:50 |
| psydread | they all seem to be borrowing from the same playbook and it becomes so transparent after a while | Jul 13 23:50 |
| AVRS | "Now anyone can declare themselves someone else" -- that's what they say now, but it's probably missing some detail. | Jul 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | there used to be an active site called "UNIXMEN" | Jul 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | and also "androidGuys" | Jul 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | the former has been dead for years and I think the name was seen as troublesome | Jul 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | unlike unixpeople | Jul 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | androidguys might still be around, but maybe not active | Jul 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | those sites are ripe target for people always looking for a fight | Jul 13 23:52 |
| psydread | this company is having a meltdown and wants to take everyone and everything down with it, no matter what the cost to society is | Jul 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | like renaming things as if the names were intended to be offensive | Jul 13 23:52 |
| schestowitz | "hey, guys" = "y'all" = gender-neutral | Jul 13 23:52 |
| AVRS | Though I read journalist claims about some people who considered themselves African-Americans having issues because they were somewhat racist or because people around them commenting on them for not being dark enough. | Jul 13 23:53 |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_2020-07-13 Riot #fedora-kde.png (24KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/UFHrHkdwiwLVvTfBkbeCLTsf > | Jul 13 23:53 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_2020-07-13 Riot #fedora-kde(1).png (298KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/lxmqaZGDkkWIDmtMGfeSVYMB > | Jul 13 23:53 | |
| MinceR | Linus didn't name Linux after himself, someone else did | Jul 13 23:53 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Linux#Naming | Jul 13 23:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | History of Linux - Wikipedia | Jul 13 23:53 | |
| MinceR | he did name git after himself, though :> | Jul 13 23:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: ^ | Jul 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz | AVRS: blacks can be racist against other black groups | Jul 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz | if by "black" you mean something broad | Jul 13 23:53 |
| AVRS | Or because a genetic test found Europeans in their ancestry. | Jul 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz | ask Haitians | Jul 13 23:53 |
| schestowitz | same for indian and chinese | Jul 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz | lots of race in india and china | Jul 13 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Guy with tons of "Windows", "Edge", "Riot Desktop on Windows", "MacBook" is moderating Fedora KDE and he seems to be the one banning people and threatening. | Jul 13 23:54 |
| schestowitz | but we cannot distinguish, unless we've lived there | Jul 13 23:54 |
| AVRS | That article contained claims it was because slave owners raped their slaves. | Jul 13 23:54 |
| MinceR | >on windows | Jul 13 23:54 |
| MinceR | what a poser | Jul 13 23:54 |
| AVRS | So some of those people were uneasy about such results. | Jul 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: Windiw!!! | Jul 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | year, I saw it before you beat me to it | Jul 13 23:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It floats the one you're on currently to the top, schestowitz | Jul 13 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So he's logged in on Edge on Windows right now. | Jul 13 23:57 |
| schestowitz | what is his role in the project? | Jul 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I never saw his name before | Jul 13 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Could he be Rick? https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-list/2005-February/msg04812.html | Jul 13 23:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Fedora Core 3 Motherboard Recommendations | Jul 13 23:59 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://ericheickmeyer.com/about/ | Jul 13 23:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ericheickmeyer.com | About – Erich Eickmeyer | Jul 13 23:59 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: ^ | Jul 13 23:59 |
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